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Charles Johnson  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:54:03am
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Charles Johnson  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:56:38am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:57:05am

I can’t believe Trumps people think you can edit your security disclosures and it will all be okay.

This isn’t a misspelled word on a Tweet, it is a CRIME to lie on those forms.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:57:34am

re: #2 Charles Johnson

Ugh, what a pig.

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Teukka  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:57:41am

Reposted from downstairs:
re: #425 mmmirele

OK, I’ll be the first to say this is an extremely tough read, but I think it’s an important read. It’s from the English edition of La Civilta Cattolica, which is pretty much the voice of the Pope. Writings published here are scrutinized by the Vatican first.

Basically, the Vatican is expressing concern over “spiritual warfare,” “prosperity theology,” “reconstructionism (dominionism)” and fundamentalism. The writers give a very brief history of American fundamentalism. They also name-drop Rousas J. Rushdoony, who was the proponent of the “reconstructionism” mentioned above. (Rushdoony wanted to bring back Old Testament law, complete with capital punishment.) The writers walk a careful path between out ad out secularism and fundamentalism, wanting Christian/Catholic input in the modern world, rather than having a holy war or Holy Roman Empire mentality.

Like I said this is tough to read, but take it in small bites—I think the Pope is saying he’s not liking the current fundamentalist marriage to the state.

laciviltacattolica.com

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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:58:58am

re: #3 Eclectic Cyborg

I can’t believe Trumps people think you can edit your security disclosures and it will all be okay.

This isn’t a misspelled word on a Tweet, it is a CRIME to lie on those forms.

Rules and laws are for other people.

/

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lawhawk  Jul 13, 2017 • 10:59:35am

re: #3 Eclectic Cyborg

As so many others have noted - omissions on SF-86 can result in revocation of security clearance plus criminal charges, dishonorable discharge, etc., depending on who is involved (civilian vs military).

A military official who lies by omission on the form? Dishonorable discharge, plus potential criminal charges.

A Trump official? So far, not a goddamned thing and that’s applicable to Sessions and Kushner. Who knows who else at this point too - like say - Pence.

Of course, the simplest answer to all this is IOKIYAR.

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makeitstop  Jul 13, 2017 • 11:07:06am

re: #2 Charles Johnson

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(I’m going to get a ton of mileage out of this photo.)

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Teukka  Jul 13, 2017 • 11:07:42am

re: #5 Teukka

Reposted from downstairs:

An addendum is that the Catholic Church has its own memories, not always pleasant, from being married to politics. So this may be experience as well as concern.

Also, obligatory “Dune” quote:
“When religion and politics travel in the same cart, the riders believe nothing can stand in their way. Their movements become headlong — faster and faster and faster. They put aside all thoughts of obstacles and forget the precipice does not show itself to the man in a blind rush until it’s too late.”

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HappyWarrior  Jul 13, 2017 • 11:08:26am

re: #1 Charles Johnson

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Beta cuck, sad. //

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 13, 2017 • 11:10:13am

From the previous thread:

re: #446 The Vicious Babushka

I have 39 grandkids. But I guess they don’t even count because they are Juice. My youngest daughter married a whitey white man tho

Wow! That a third of the people in my town! Your family could move here and take over.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 13, 2017 • 11:12:31am

re: #425 mmmirele

OK, I’ll be the first to say this is an extremely tough read, but I think it’s an important read. It’s from the English edition of La Civilta Cattolica, which is pretty much the voice of the Pope. Writings published here are scrutinized by the Vatican first.

Basically, the Vatican is expressing concern over “spiritual warfare,” “prosperity theology,” “reconstructionism (dominionism)” and fundamentalism. The writers give a very brief history of American fundamentalism. They also name-drop Rousas J. Rushdoony, who was the proponent of the “reconstructionism” mentioned above. (Rushdoony wanted to bring back Old Testament law, complete with capital punishment.) The writers walk a careful path between out ad out secularism and fundamentalism, wanting Christian/Catholic input in the modern world, rather than having a holy war or Holy Roman Empire mentality.

Like I said this is tough to read, but take it in small bites—I think the Pope is saying he’s not liking the current fundamentalist marriage to the state.

laciviltacattolica.com

I’ve held forth on the same subject, but my education level and such don’t carry much weight with others.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 11:13:08am

re: #7 lawhawk

As so many others have noted - omissions on SF-86 can result in revocation of security clearance plus criminal charges, dishonorable discharge, etc., depending on who is involved (civilian vs military).

A military official who lies by omission on the form? Dishonorable discharge, plus potential criminal charges.

A Trump official? So far, not a goddamned thing and that’s applicable to Sessions and Kushner. Who knows who else at this point too - like say - Pence.

Of course, the simplest answer to all this is IOKIYAR.

One of the RWNJ favorite taunts in ‘16 was that if [X person in Y agency] had done what HRC had done, regarding the private server (or something), he or she would have been [fired, imprisoned, executed].

Now…”Oh let’s not engage in finger pointing or penalize people for innocent mistakes.”

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Birth Control Works  Jul 13, 2017 • 11:13:15am

re: #5 Teukka

Reposted from downstairs:

make it a Pages Post.

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Birth Control Works  Jul 13, 2017 • 11:13:52am

re: #6 Sir John Barron

Rules and laws are for other people.

/

hmmmm … remind you of anyone?
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HappyWarrior  Jul 13, 2017 • 11:14:16am

re: #13 Sir John Barron

One of the RWNJ favorite taunts in ‘16 was that if [X person in Y agency] had done what HRC had done, regarding the private server (or something), he or she would have been [fired, imprisoned, executed].

Now…”Oh let’s not engage in finger pointing or penalize people for innocent mistakes.”

Yep.

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Birth Control Works  Jul 13, 2017 • 11:15:43am

bbl

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Teukka  Jul 13, 2017 • 11:17:14am

re: #14 Birth Control Works

make it a Pages Post.

mmmir, will you do the honors?

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Kragar  Jul 13, 2017 • 11:17:38am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 13, 2017 • 11:18:47am

Whelp, in my regional newspaper today:

starherald.com

More at the link:

INDIANAPOLIS (AP) — An Indiana senator railed against Carrier Corp. for moving manufacturing jobs to Mexico last year, even as he profited from a family business that relies on Mexican labor to produce dye for ink pads, according to records reviewed by The Associated Press.

Joe Donnelly, considered one of the nation’s most vulnerable Democratic senators up for re-election next year, has long blasted free-trade policies for killing American jobs. He accused Carrier, an air conditioner and furnace maker, of exploiting $3-an-hour workers when it announced plans to wind down operations in Indiana and move to Mexico.

However, an arts and crafts business Donnelly’s family has owned for generations is capitalizing on some of the very trade policies — and low-paid foreign labor — the senator has denounced.

For more than a year, Stewart Superior Corp. and its subsidiaries have been shipping thousands of pounds of raw materials to Mexico, where the company has a factory that produces ink pads and other supplies, according to customs records from Panjiva Inc., which tracks American imports and exports. The finished products are then transported back to a company facility in California, the records show.

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wrenchwench  Jul 13, 2017 • 11:19:21am

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lawhawk  Jul 13, 2017 • 11:21:46am

re: #20 Anymouse 🌹

Shocking. Not shocking.

If it didn’t hurt Trump, it means that the GOP will go full bore to knock this guy on his business practices.

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William Lewis  Jul 13, 2017 • 11:23:37am

So Jr.’s best defense is to claim he’s just like daddy? Incompetent, idiotic & ignorant? The danger in that is that + racism is why Trumpenfuhrer got elected.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 13, 2017 • 11:27:16am

re: #23 William Lewis

So Jr.’s best defense is to claim he’s just like daddy? Incompetent, idiotic & ignorant? The danger in that is that + racism is why Trumpenfuhrer got elected.

Indeed, it’s seen as a virtue by too much of the electorate now.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 13, 2017 • 11:27:32am

I have to go take a water sample to the lab … back later.

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BeachDem  Jul 13, 2017 • 11:30:51am

re: #3 Eclectic Cyborg

I can’t believe Trumps people think you can edit your security disclosures and it will all be okay.

This isn’t a misspelled word on a Tweet, it is a CRIME to lie on those forms.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 13, 2017 • 11:36:06am

re: #5 Teukka

Reposted from downstairs:

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Teukka  Jul 13, 2017 • 11:37:41am

re: #27 Stanley Sea

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(Hopefully) that’s gonna leave a mark…

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Stanley Sea  Jul 13, 2017 • 11:38:55am
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lawhawk  Jul 13, 2017 • 11:39:41am

re: #28 Teukka

Doubt it. Even the religious types that continue supporting Trump may be doing so precisely for that very reason - they’re hoping to bring about some kind of Apocalyptic outcome to fulfill some religious belief (in much the same way they support Israel so as to bring about the End Times).

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mmmirele  Jul 13, 2017 • 11:40:10am

re: #5 Teukka

Thanks, got distracted by *cough* work *cough*.

ETA: will page it.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 13, 2017 • 11:41:33am
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FormerDirtDart  Jul 13, 2017 • 11:42:57am
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BeachDem  Jul 13, 2017 • 11:45:50am

re: #32 FormerDirtDart

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Portman, Capito & Murkowski - key to the Medicaid issue on Senate GOP health-care bill - meeting with McConnell right now

Hope Capito holds—that article I posted last night from 538 said she’s voted the Trump line 100% of the time.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 13, 2017 • 11:47:43am
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Kragar  Jul 13, 2017 • 11:50:08am
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HappyWarrior  Jul 13, 2017 • 11:53:01am

re: #29 Stanley Sea

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So edgy. // Oh wait, he’s just another puppet asshole.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 13, 2017 • 11:54:01am

re: #36 Kragar

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Ron Howard serously needs to narrate everything the Trump clan does.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 11:58:50am

re: #36 Kragar

Far from brooding, POTUS and his family feel like they turned a corner yesterday nytimes.com

— Maggie Haberman

Keep digging…

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Kragar  Jul 13, 2017 • 11:59:20am

re: #38 HappyWarrior

Ron Howard serously needs to narrate everything the Trump clan does.

Its eerie how well Arrested Development quotes fit the Trumps.

“I may have committed some light treason.”

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piratedan  Jul 13, 2017 • 12:00:27pm

re: #38 HappyWarrior

does that mean for Donald Jr. we should use Daniel Stern from The Wonder Years?

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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 12:01:54pm

re: #40 Kragar

Its eerie how well Arrested Development quotes fit the Trumps.

“I may have committed some light treason.”

DJT: “Fortunately we got rid of Comey so all’s good.”

Ivanka: ….Mueller

DJT: “I can fire him, right”?

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Dr. Matt  Jul 13, 2017 • 12:03:06pm

re: #29 Stanley Sea

SCOOP: Leaked Documents Suggest Secretive Billionaire Trump Donors The Mercers Are Milo’s Patrons buzzfeed.com
— Joe Bernstein (@Bernstein) July 13, 2017

Wingnut welfare as usual.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 12:03:48pm

re: #36 Kragar

“Amazing no one’s arrested us yet. And Congress still supports us. And Fox has just been terrific. Can’t believe it’s been this easy.”

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Kragar  Jul 13, 2017 • 12:04:21pm

re: #42 Sir John Barron

DJT: “Fortunately we got rid of Comey so all’s good.”

Ivanka: ….Mueller

DJT: “I can fire him, right”?

“I’ve made a huge mistake.”

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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 12:04:22pm

re: #43 Dr. Matt

Wingnut welfare as usual.

Some people like setting their money on fire.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 13, 2017 • 12:05:51pm
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lawhawk  Jul 13, 2017 • 12:08:22pm

re: #36 Kragar

They turned a corner…. in a room that has no corners.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 13, 2017 • 12:10:41pm

re: #40 Kragar

Its eerie how well Arrested Development quotes fit the Trumps.

“I may have committed some light treason.”

Indeed. And the Trumps have Scott Baio too.

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Kragar  Jul 13, 2017 • 12:12:33pm
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Stanley Sea  Jul 13, 2017 • 12:14:03pm

OT my friend just texted me. She’s reviewing resume’s for her company & received one where the woman has a photo of herself on the resume.

Apparently a selfie taken in a bar.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 12:14:43pm

re: #50 Kragar

“Russia may sabotage the next election, too. What will Trump and Republicans do about it?”@ThePlumLineGShttps://t.co

— EJ Dionne

He’ll deny it happened. Then maybe he’ll ask Putin if Putin did it.

/

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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 12:15:58pm

re: #36 Kragar

Far from brooding, POTUS and his family feel like they turned a corner yesterday nytimes.com

— Maggie Haberman

“So I can go back to insulting people, right?”

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Kragar  Jul 13, 2017 • 12:16:50pm
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austin_blue  Jul 13, 2017 • 12:19:09pm

Did Trump visit with the US Ambassador to France today?

Nope, the post is vacant, without even a Nominee.

Take a look at the list of vacancies which includes Norway, South Korea, Saudi Arabia, and Australia (there’s about forty open vacancies including most of Europe, the EU, and the UN). But MAGA!

Here’s the list:

afsa.org

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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 12:20:14pm

re: #55 austin_blue

Did Trump visit with the US Ambassador to France today?

Nope, the post is vacant, without even a Nominee.

Take a look at the list of vacancies includes Norway, South Korea, Saudi Arabia, and Australia (there’s about forty open vacancies including most of Europe, the EU, and the UN). But MAGA!

Here’s the list:

afsa.org

The Democratic Senate majority is blocking all of them.

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wrenchwench  Jul 13, 2017 • 12:20:25pm
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FormerDirtDart  Jul 13, 2017 • 12:25:07pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jul 13, 2017 • 12:25:37pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 13, 2017 • 12:25:51pm

re: #57 wrenchwench

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Right there with ya pal.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 12:26:48pm

re: #59 goddamnedfrank

But Trump and the GOP are supposed to MAGA.

/

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HappyWarrior  Jul 13, 2017 • 12:26:51pm

re: #50 Kragar

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Tell them not to tell them. They want it to be a surprise this time!

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HappyWarrior  Jul 13, 2017 • 12:27:50pm

re: #59 goddamnedfrank

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Pathetic. Maybe they shouldn’t be trusted to run the country if they’re too stupid to know collusion is bad.

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Archangelus  Jul 13, 2017 • 12:28:06pm
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Stanley Sea  Jul 13, 2017 • 12:28:54pm

re: #58 FormerDirtDart

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 13, 2017 • 12:30:59pm

re: #59 goddamnedfrank

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HappyWarrior  Jul 13, 2017 • 12:31:39pm

re: #65 Stanley Sea

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Dude I literally went to high school with Justin.

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Jul 13, 2017 • 12:31:43pm

re: #65 Stanley Sea

JFC I didn’t think that was real.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 13, 2017 • 12:32:12pm

I still think this one should’ve gotten more Twitter action.

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b.d.  Jul 13, 2017 • 12:33:54pm

re: #58 FormerDirtDart

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OMG…so if we build a wall the drug dealers will just blindly start chunking over 60# bags of dope?!

BUILD THE WALL!!

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BeachDem  Jul 13, 2017 • 12:35:47pm

Welp, I guess Macron now has all the incentive he needs to succeed:

“I really have a feeling that you’re going to have a very, very peaceful and beautiful Paris, and I’m coming back,” Trump said, before turning to Macron and telling him to “do a good job, please. Otherwise you’re going to make me look very bad.”

Oh, and about “Jim?” This is hilarious:

Earlier this year, The New Yorker also tried to find Jim, to no avail. Lauren Collins, the magazine’s Paris correspondent, ran through some people named Jim who were affiliated with Trump and might be the friend in question.

Trump doesn’t follow any Jims on Twitter. But it’s easy to find Jims with whom he’s crossed paths. Jim Kelly, formerly of the Buffalo Bills? “No, that would not be Jim Kelly,” a representative said. Jim Dolan, the C.E.O. of Cablevision and the chairman of Madison Square Garden, who lent Trump the Rockettes for his inaugural concert? “That’s not him,” his spokesperson responded. Jim Furyk, the golfer? “Not him,” according to his agent. Jim Davis, the footwear mogul, whose support for Trump prompted a hate Web site to declare New Balance “the Official Shoes of White People”? “No, it is not Jim Davis,” a company P.R. manager replied. Jim Inhofe, the senator and climate-change denier, did not respond; neither did Jim McNerney, the former Boeing executive, who is part of the President’s Kitchen Cabinet. Jim Mattis, the “Warrior Monk” general, doesn’t have a wife. James Comey—does anybody know if he goes by Jim?

The result: Zéro.

huffingtonpost.com

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wheat-dogg  Jul 13, 2017 • 12:36:47pm

re: #58 FormerDirtDart

More nonsensical Trump stream of consciousness verbiage.

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KGxvi  Jul 13, 2017 • 12:38:14pm

re: #59 goddamnedfrank

I’m honestly beginning to wonder, if the president would have just been chosen at random, how much better off would we be? And could it really have been much worse?

The median age in the US is about 37, so figure that means there’s about 130 million people constitutionally qualified for the office (I’m guessing about 30 million either naturalized citizens, permanent resident aliens, or otherwise unqualified). Where does Trump rate in that 130 million? Like 128,954,312?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 13, 2017 • 12:39:24pm

re: #65 Stanley Sea

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I love the idea that dope smugglers will toss 60# bags over the wall and accidentally kill their partners, because there’s no way they could, say, shout, “Stand back! It’s coming over!”

Or, you know, tie a rope to it so you can lower it gently.

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lawhawk  Jul 13, 2017 • 12:39:34pm

re: #70 b.d.

The same drug dealers who’ve shown ingenuity to use everything from tunnels and catapults will suddenly find a fucking fence a problem? A wall with holes isn’t a wall. It’s a fence.

Trump’s also identified problems with his own plan - it’s easy to climb with a ladder or rope, no matter how high it’s made.

And he’s previously admitted it’d be okay to rely on natural barriers like rivers, mountains, and deserts - which describes the current fucking situation.

None of this matters to the Trump twits who think a wall will solve their problems.

But as we also found today, Trump’s not only looking to curb illegal immigration, but all immigration. It’s about pushing a nativist and xenophobic policy, which meshes well with the white supremacists who he pandered to all throughout the entire campaign.

Means to an end.

Pure evil and no good can come from any of this.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 13, 2017 • 12:40:41pm

It’s Story Time with Chris Hayes…

A Putin-aligned Russian oligarch and his son cultivate a personal/professional relationship w/ Trump and his family over several years. 2/x

When Trump becomes the nominee, said oligarch uses trusted intermediary to tell Trump Jr there’s a Russain gov effort to elect Trump 3/x

And that as part of that effort they have damaging info on Hillary to share. They set up a meeting to collaborate on this project. 4/x

Trump’s son, his campaign chair and son in law attend a meeting w/ a person called a “Russian government lawyer” to obtain the dirt 5/x

Everyone shows up at the meeting and…the lawyer just talked about adoption and the Magnitsky act! After all that, it’s a dud. 6/x

And then, and here’s the crucial part, NO ONE DOES ANYTHING ELSE. The oligarch and son don’t make further contact. 7/x

Trump & Co don’t use the active line of communication thru Goldstone to say “hey what the hell was that about?” Everyone just drops it! 8/x

Both Trump’s campaign and the Putin-allioed oligarch never take another single step to further a collaboration they’d both agreed to! 9/x

And then, oh by the way, teh Russian government *is actually* engaged in a brazen, sophisticated effort to get Trump elected 10/x

And as that becomes public just 5 weeks later, no one at Trump Tower gets curious. No one reaches back out. No one calls Emin. 11/x

No one emails Goldstone about this topic ever again. No one brings it up ever again. 12/x

No one ever tells Trump “Aras and Emin said the Russian government wants to try to get you elected, but then we had this weird meeting” 13/x

No one ever raises it when they see DNC hacks & Wikileaks. Everyone just forgets about that crazy time, when dad’s Russian contacts 14/x

reached out to join forces with the Russian government to defeat Hillary. That’s it, That’s the end of the story. 15/x

I don’t have the words to express how implausible that version of events is, but it’s what the WH is currently telling us happened. 16/16

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 13, 2017 • 12:42:02pm
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EPR-radar  Jul 13, 2017 • 12:49:28pm

re: #77 goddamnedfrank

As always, it’s OK if you are a Republican.

I now have a much better understanding of the hard-line partisan mindset. It’s difficult for me to imagine what it would take for me to vote against the Democrat in any contested general election vs. a Republican.

This is the exact mirror image of the voting habits of the Fox News crowd, and my only defense is that my hard line position is based on the truth about the GOP, and their hard line position is based on lies.

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stpaulbear  Jul 13, 2017 • 12:50:59pm

re: #76 FormerDirtDart

Hayes’ timeline doesn’t even mention that Trump publicly asked the Russians to hack Hillary’s email.

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Romantic Heretic  Jul 13, 2017 • 12:51:49pm

re: #33 FormerDirtDart

Typical authoritarian thought process, “It’s new. We’ve never seen anything like it before. Therefore it is a danger to our power.

“It must be destroyed.”

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stpaulbear  Jul 13, 2017 • 12:52:04pm

re: #61 Sir John Barron

But Trump and the GOP are supposed to MAGA.

/

Morons Are Governing America!

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KGxvi  Jul 13, 2017 • 12:52:04pm

re: #75 lawhawk

To me, the attempts to shut down legal immigration are the most abhorrent policy the Trumpets are pushing. It goes beyond the idea of the US being a melting pot and welcoming of immigrants/refugees. It’s the kind of policy that is going to wreck our economy more than anything. The youngest boomers are in their mid-50s. As they retire there are going to be a lot of jobs that need to be filled - not just the ones they are retiring from but also home/elderly care jobs that don’t even exist at the moment. They are setting us up for a Japanese-style economic collapse - not that they care, by the time it happens they’ll be dead or sexually harassing the nurses at their nursing homes.

And even meeting them on the grounds of illegal immigration, the idea a wall or fence is actually needed is just wrong… illegal (southern) border crossings are down 90% in the last decade.

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Kragar  Jul 13, 2017 • 12:52:31pm
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FormerDirtDart  Jul 13, 2017 • 12:52:32pm

Man, I feel old…

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Romantic Heretic  Jul 13, 2017 • 12:54:19pm

re: #46 Sir John Barron

Some people like setting their money on fire.

When you have that much money setting it on fire is a status symbol.

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BeachDem  Jul 13, 2017 • 12:55:44pm

re: #76 FormerDirtDart

It’s Story Time with Chris Hayes…

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A Putin-aligned Russian oligarch and his son cultivate a personal/professional relationship w/ Trump and his family over several years. 2/x

When Trump becomes the nominee, said oligarch uses trusted intermediary to tell Trump Jr there’s a Russain gov effort to elect Trump 3/x

And that as part of that effort they have damaging info on Hillary to share. They set up a meeting to collaborate on this project. 4/x

Trump’s son, his campaign chair and son in law attend a meeting w/ a person called a “Russian government lawyer” to obtain the dirt 5/x

Everyone shows up at the meeting and…the lawyer just talked about adoption and the Magnitsky act! After all that, it’s a dud. 6/x

And then, and here’s the crucial part, NO ONE DOES ANYTHING ELSE. The oligarch and son don’t make further contact. 7/x

Trump & Co don’t use the active line of communication thru Goldstone to say “hey what the hell was that about?” Everyone just drops it! 8/x

Both Trump’s campaign and the Putin-allioed oligarch never take another single step to further a collaboration they’d both agreed to! 9/x

And then, oh by the way, teh Russian government *is actually* engaged in a brazen, sophisticated effort to get Trump elected 10/x

And as that becomes public just 5 weeks later, no one at Trump Tower gets curious. No one reaches back out. No one calls Emin. 11/x

No one emails Goldstone about this topic ever again. No one brings it up ever again. 12/x

No one ever tells Trump “Aras and Emin said the Russian government wants to try to get you elected, but then we had this weird meeting” 13/x

No one ever raises it when they see DNC hacks & Wikileaks. Everyone just forgets about that crazy time, when dad’s Russian contacts 14/x

reached out to join forces with the Russian government to defeat Hillary. That’s it, That’s the end of the story. 15/x

I don’t have the words to express how implausible that version of events is, but it’s what the WH is currently telling us happened. 16/16

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petesh  Jul 13, 2017 • 12:56:43pm

re: #79 stpaulbear

Hayes’ timeline doesn’t even mention that Trump publicly asked the Russians to hack Hillary’s email.

Yes, Hayes has been focusing on internal evidence (I’m sure he’s also aware of the external) — did you see his close-read of the emails that pretty convincing demonstrated that there were phone calls in the middle of the email timeline?

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 13, 2017 • 12:58:03pm

re: #3 Eclectic Cyborg

I can’t believe Trumps people think you can edit your security disclosures and it will all be okay.

This isn’t a misspelled word on a Tweet, it is a CRIME to lie on those forms.

Only when the powers that be act on the law when broken. See Securities exchange comm. Then uh oh GOP congress. Ugh

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Stanley Sea  Jul 13, 2017 • 1:08:33pm

re: #87 petesh

Yes, Hayes has been focusing on internal evidence (I’m sure he’s also aware of the external) — did you see his close-read of the emails that pretty convincing demonstrated that there were phone calls in the middle of the email timeline?

A congresswoman (forget who) was talking about the phone calls on CNN this morn.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 13, 2017 • 1:09:01pm
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Kragar  Jul 13, 2017 • 1:09:33pm
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Stanley Sea  Jul 13, 2017 • 1:09:44pm

Here we go

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 13, 2017 • 1:10:39pm

Bet there’s no White House signing ceremony, with president surrounded by State, DoD, DoE non-proliferation team, with live coverage for this…

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 13, 2017 • 1:12:28pm

The story is already changing.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 1:13:06pm

re: #93 FormerDirtDart

Bet there’s no White House signing ceremony, with president surrounded by State, DoD, DoE non-proliferation team, with live coverage for this…

“First thing I’m gonna do is rip up the terrible, disastrous Iran deal!”

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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 1:16:47pm

re: #94 goddamnedfrank

The story is already changing.

I wonder why. I mean, the GOP congress and Fox News will gladly accept a “I never knew about this meeting” claim.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 1:18:45pm

re: #95 Sir John Barron

“First thing I’m gonna do is rip up the terrible, disastrous Iran deal!”

Well the rubes never cared about this issue anyway, it was just a nice applause line, about Obama/Clinton supposedly having endangered the U.S. and Israel, but now that they have their Incredible Dear Leader, no fears.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 13, 2017 • 1:20:08pm
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jaunte  Jul 13, 2017 • 1:21:02pm

“…The Trump Jr. emails demonstrate that through this entire affair, Trump’s top advisers possessed direct inside information indicating Putin’s crew was willing to act clandestinely to boost Trump’s chances. Whenever they discounted the idea that Russia was plotting against Clinton to help Trump—or stood by when Trump did so—they were lying. More important, they were knowingly creating a smokescreen behind which the Putin operation could proceed.”

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ObserverArt  Jul 13, 2017 • 1:21:59pm

Lookout world! It’s Scarborough.

Posted without further comment, because I really do not know what to say.

Scarborough - Mystified

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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 1:21:59pm

re: #99 jaunte

Smeared the US IC.

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lawhawk  Jul 13, 2017 • 1:22:19pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 13, 2017 • 1:22:21pm

re: #98 FormerDirtDart

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Yeah that’s not gonna happen.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 13, 2017 • 1:22:42pm

re: #102 lawhawk

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Assholes.

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Interesting Times  Jul 13, 2017 • 1:25:13pm

Blech. I hate this thread because it’s true -_- (except for the word “may”):

Like I’ve said, GOPers/trumpchumps are a total lost cause. That leaves apathetic, low-info, don’t-bother-to-voters, so to convince them that they should care, we all need to specify how Putin’s support for the GOP directly results in policies that harm Americans (e.g. Putin helps GOPer win, GOPer goes on to slash medicaid/medicare/etc)

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KGxvi  Jul 13, 2017 • 1:26:02pm

re: #102 lawhawk

This is the same party that had a nominee 5 years ago who said Russia was our number one geopolitical adversary. This is a party that drove the anti-communist agenda for the better part of a century. This is the party who is supposedly hawkish on foreign policy.

What in the utter fuck is going on?

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 13, 2017 • 1:26:14pm
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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 1:26:22pm

re: #105 Interesting Times

Blech. I hate this thread because it’s true -_- (except remove the word “may”):

Like I’ve said, GOPers/trumpchumps are a total lost cause. That leaves apathetic, low-info, don’t-bother-to-voters, so to convince them that they should care, we all need to specify how Putin’s support for the GOP directly results in policies that harm Americans (e.g. Putin helps GOPer win, GOPer goes on to slash medicaid/medicare/etc)

But the trumpchumps sure cared a lot about government email protocol.

//

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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 1:27:22pm

re: #106 KGxvi

This is the same party that had a nominee 5 years ago who said Russia was our number one geopolitical adversary. This is a party that drove the anti-communist agenda for the better part of a century. This is the party who is supposedly hawkish on foreign policy.

What in the utter fuck is going on?

They are who we thought they were—unprincipled opportunists concerned only about power.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 13, 2017 • 1:28:00pm

re: #107 goddamnedfrank

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Holy shit, that’s patronizing. Not to mention calling center liberals failures. Yeah I forgot how well their worldview is doing.

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austin_blue  Jul 13, 2017 • 1:28:33pm

re: #101 Sir John Barron

Smeared the US IC.

Seems Drumpf’s team wants to do the US as much damage as they can as fast as they can. I know that’s hyperbole, but hey, look at what’s already happened. It’s just nothing but bad craziness…

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makeitstop  Jul 13, 2017 • 1:28:49pm

re: #100 ObserverArt

Lookout world! It’s Scarborough.

Posted without further comment, because I really do not know what to say.

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I remember back in the day when he was writing third-rate Springsteen knock-offs.

Now he’s up to copping from the Cars. I guess in another 10 years he’ll write a Nirvana song.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 1:29:00pm

re: #111 austin_blue

Seems Drumpf’s team wants to do the US as much damage as they can as fast as they can. I know that’s hyperbole, but hey, look at what’s already happened. It’s just nothing but bad craziness…

And we’re barely six months into this farce.

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lawhawk  Jul 13, 2017 • 1:29:05pm

For the font geeks, there’s an ongoing scandal over in Pakistan that could take down their prime minister over a deed - specifically the font the deed was printed in - Calibri.

The daughter of Pakistan’s prime minister has become subject of ridicule in her home country after forensic experts cast doubts on documents central to her defence against corruption allegations.

Mariam Nawaz Sharif is under supreme court investigation after the 2016 Panama Papers leak tied her to a purchase of high-end London property acquired through offshore companies in the British Virgin Islands.

Documents claiming that Mariam Nawaz Sharif was only a trustee of the companies that bought the London flats, are dated February 2006, and appear to be typed in Microsoft Calibri.

But the font was only made commercially available in 2007, leading to suspicions that the documents are forged.

Social media users have derided Sharif for this apparent misstep, coining the hashtag #fontgate.

According to Wikipedia, the online encyclopaedia, the Calibri font was developed in 2004 but only reached the general public on 30 January 2007 with the launch of Microsoft Vista and Microsoft Office 2007.

How quaint. The Pakistani government could fall because of garden variety corruption and a coverup using a font that didn’t exist at the time the document was supposedly created (shades of Rathergate).

Meanwhile, here in the US, we’re dealing with an Admin whose key officials are complicit in multiple acts of conspiracy and collusion with a foreign power to obtain foreign intel used to influence outcome of election (at a minimum) that would had their party affiliation been different - already been forced to resign, with impeachment efforts set to begin.

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jaunte  Jul 13, 2017 • 1:30:52pm
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austin_blue  Jul 13, 2017 • 1:31:28pm

re: #113 Sir John Barron

And we’re barely six months into this farce.

No shit. Well, actually, a shitstorm.

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jaunte  Jul 13, 2017 • 1:31:38pm

Republicans are complicit in destroying the idea that we are a nation of laws.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 13, 2017 • 1:33:05pm
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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 1:34:18pm

re: #113 Sir John Barron

And we’re barely six months into this farce.

The lunacy of his campaign from the beginning in 2015 through November 2016 was on full display and his *presidency* has lived down to the campaign even more than could be expected.

For one thing, as poorly as I thought of Drumpf and his team of misanthropes, I didn’t think he actually, actively colluded with Russia. Surely, I told myself, that was way too stupid and too unpatriotic even for this goon. There was a lot that was awfully strange about the sequence of events, of Trump’s refusal to condemn Russia and his war against the US IC. But I doubted such a thing as the meeting that was revealed last weekend could have taken place. But obviously it did, and the drupmptf campaign went to the darkest places to win the election and damage the country.

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Kragar  Jul 13, 2017 • 1:34:50pm
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Whack-A-Mole  Jul 13, 2017 • 1:35:05pm

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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 1:36:09pm

re: #120 Kragar

On CNN, @SebGorka admits WH is considering giving 2 spy compounds in US back to Russia: “We want to give collaboration a chance” with Russia

— Brian Fallon

OFFS

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b.d.  Jul 13, 2017 • 1:36:12pm

re: #120 Kragar

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I guess we don’t need to ask Mr. Gorka what Russia is giving us?

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lawhawk  Jul 13, 2017 • 1:36:26pm

re: #106 KGxvi

This is the same party that had a nominee 5 years ago who said Russia was our number one geopolitical adversary. This is a party that drove the anti-communist agenda for the better part of a century. This is the party who is supposedly hawkish on foreign policy.

What in the utter fuck is going on?

They don’t care. It was all situational. Now that they’ve got all the power and control, they will do whatever they want to cement their power. It’s not about what’s good for the US. They’re handing the keys to US natsec to our adversaries/rivals.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 1:37:01pm

re: #120 Kragar

On CNN, @SebGorka admits WH is considering giving 2 spy compounds in US back to Russia: “We want to give collaboration a chance” with Russia

— Brian Fallon

The Russians we now know interfered in our electoral process and worked with Trump to sway the election results?

That Russia?

//

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 13, 2017 • 1:37:03pm

re: #102 lawhawk

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jaunte  Jul 13, 2017 • 1:37:51pm

This White House wants to loot the nation, so they’re joining forces with the people who are looting Russia.

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ObserverArt  Jul 13, 2017 • 1:38:11pm

re: #123 b.d.

I guess we don’t need to ask Mr. Gorka what Russia is giving us?

If you bend Trump over, you might be able to find it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 13, 2017 • 1:38:43pm

It’s either give the Russian back their spy compounds or the pee tapes get released…a no-brainer for the brainless.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 1:38:47pm

re: #123 b.d.

I guess we don’t need to ask Mr. Gorka what Russia is giving us?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 13, 2017 • 1:40:04pm

re: #123 b.d.

I guess we don’t need to ask Mr. Gorka what Russia is giving us?

It’s more a matter of what they are not sharing…

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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 1:40:35pm

re: #130 Sir John Barron

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Continual info on Democrats and Never Trumpers who are illegally defying Great Leader.

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lawhawk  Jul 13, 2017 • 1:40:52pm

It’s abhorrent that Gorka is still part of this admin given his background.

Guess that’s what happens when you pick bigots (a neo Nazi to boot), incompetents, and con men to run things.

Reminder: Gorka couldn’t get the job he really wanted with the WH because he couldn’t get a clearance (which really tells you how bad things are at the WH).

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ObserverArt  Jul 13, 2017 • 1:40:54pm

re: #119 Sir John Barron

The lunacy of his campaign from the beginning in 2015 through November 2016 was on full display and his *presidency* has lived down to the campaign even more than could be expected.

For one thing, as poorly as I thought of Drumpf and his team of misanthropes, I didn’t think he actually, actively colluded with Russia. Surely, I told myself, that was way too stupid and too unpatriotic even for this goon. There was a lot that was awfully strange about the sequence of events, of Trump’s refusal to condemn Russia and his war against the US IC. But I doubted such a thing as the meeting that was revealed last weekend could have taken place. But obviously it did, and the drupmptf campaign went to the darkest places to win the election and damage the country.

May I ask a question? Why did you not believe the reports and info that came out last year? That also means you didn’t believe Obama and Hillary. Why? Was it because you don’t trust the reporting? Was it because you thought it was all politics?

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scottslemmons  Jul 13, 2017 • 1:41:11pm

re: #107 goddamnedfrank

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I expect that by the next election, Will Menaker will either be too busy playing the new Madden to bother voting, or he’ll be out of the closet as a Trumper.

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BeachDem  Jul 13, 2017 • 1:41:23pm

re: #92 Stanley Sea

Here we go

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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 1:42:50pm

re: #134 ObserverArt

May I ask a question? Why did you not believe the reports and info that came out last year? That also means you didn’t believe Obama and Hillary. Why? Was it because you don’t trust the reporting? Was it because you thought it was all politics?

Oh I didn’t doubt the Russian meddling. I just doubted whether Trump had actively participated in it to the degree that has now been demonstrated.

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makeitstop  Jul 13, 2017 • 1:43:43pm

re: #123 b.d.

I guess we don’t need to ask Mr. Gorka what Russia is giving us?

Those ‘deliverables’ have already been, umm, delivered.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 13, 2017 • 1:44:02pm

re: #119 Sir John Barron

For one thing, as poorly as I thought of Drumpf and his team of misanthropes, I didn’t think he actually, actively colluded with Russia. Surely, I told myself, that was way too stupid and too unpatriotic even for this goon.

We were aware of his extensive business dealings with Russia and Republics of the former USSR, and were aware of close contacts between these business partners and the government.

But nobody who wanted to act was able to do anything to find out more and those who could act chose not to.

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Belafon  Jul 13, 2017 • 1:45:26pm

re: #106 KGxvi

This is the same party that had a nominee 5 years ago who said Russia was our number one geopolitical adversary. This is a party that drove the anti-communist agenda for the better part of a century. This is the party who is supposedly hawkish on foreign policy.

What in the utter fuck is going on?

View everything they say and do in terms of gaining power, not what’s good for the country. Once you do that, it all makes sense: There are no contradictions if power is your ultimate goal. While the system was set up to have different sides compete to gain power, they were supposed to be patriotic enough not to sell it for a few pieces of silver. This is where the GOP fails.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 13, 2017 • 1:47:33pm
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darthstar  Jul 13, 2017 • 1:50:40pm
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KGxvi  Jul 13, 2017 • 1:52:10pm

re: #140 Belafon

View everything they say and do in terms of gaining power, not what’s good for the country. Once you do that, it all makes sense: There are no contradictions if power is your ultimate goal. While the system was set up to have different sides compete to gain power, they were supposed to be patriotic enough not to sell it for a few pieces of silver. This is where the GOP fails.

Maybe my outlook is too long term, then, because I don’t see how selling out to a hostile adversary helps me secure power beyond the end of next week. What good is having power if gaining it means weakening American standing internationally (meaning you have less power)? What good is having power if gaining it means that the system/society/economy you seek to control is weakened by outside forces?

This is the sheep mortgaging the fields to the wolves. Any short term gain you might think you have is clearly outweighed by the eventual fuckedupness you’re going to experience.

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ObserverArt  Jul 13, 2017 • 1:52:49pm

re: #137 Sir John Barron

Oh I didn’t doubt the Russian meddling. I just doubted whether Trump had actively participated in it to the degree that has now been demonstrated.

Thanks for the clarification.

I thought he was involved from the get go because no one does anything without Big Don knowing it. And he surrounds himself in yes men that do his bidding…but he is always in control of that bidding.

Hmm. Maybe I’ve followed his bad character too long. I’ve long thought the guy was a complete asshole con artist. If he told me it was raining outside, I’d buy some extra sunscreen.

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darthstar  Jul 13, 2017 • 1:53:20pm

re: #106 KGxvi

This is the same party that had a nominee 5 years ago who said Russia was our number one geopolitical adversary. This is a party that drove the anti-communist agenda for the better part of a century. This is the party who is supposedly hawkish on foreign policy.

What in the utter fuck is going on?

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 13, 2017 • 1:55:21pm
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ObserverArt  Jul 13, 2017 • 1:55:52pm

re: #140 Belafon

View everything they say and do in terms of gaining power, not what’s good for the country. Once you do that, it all makes sense: There are no contradictions if power is your ultimate goal. While the system was set up to have different sides compete to gain power, they were supposed to be patriotic enough not to sell it for a few pieces of silver. This is where the GOP fails.

Exactly. We are not dealing with a typical good intention American that wanted to be president. Far from it.

We have an orange mold growing in the White House that is out to get money or to pay back money. Power and continued business.

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makeitstop  Jul 13, 2017 • 1:56:11pm

re: #143 KGxvi

Maybe my outlook is too long term, then, because I don’t see how selling out to a hostile adversary helps me secure power beyond the end of next week. What good is having power if gaining it means weakening American standing internationally (meaning you have less power)? What good is having power if gaining it means that the system/society/economy you seek to control is weakened by outside forces?

This is the sheep mortgaging the fields to the wolves. Any short term gain you might think you have is clearly outweighed by the eventual fuckedupness you’re going to experience.

It’s the Trump Cult, KG. They don’t look much further ahead than the next news cycle.

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Ace-o-aces  Jul 13, 2017 • 1:56:55pm

re: #29 Stanley Sea

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 13, 2017 • 1:57:07pm

re: #141 Charles Johnson

Tomorrow before leaving for a weekend of golf: So what if this meeting was about HRC?! I’m President. I won. Get over it.

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jaunte  Jul 13, 2017 • 1:57:17pm
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b.d.  Jul 13, 2017 • 1:58:32pm

re: #151 jaunte

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[trump] ONLY THE BEST PEOPLE [/trump]

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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 1:59:30pm

re: #152 b.d.

[trump] ONLY THE BEST PEOPLE [/trump]

Please proceed……

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Lidane  Jul 13, 2017 • 2:00:18pm

What the fuck did I just read?

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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 2:00:37pm

re: #146 FormerDirtDart

“Ok but these emails are from months, maybe even years ago, right?

What’s that, they’re from THIS WEEK?”

/

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Skip Intro  Jul 13, 2017 • 2:01:45pm
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KGxvi  Jul 13, 2017 • 2:01:49pm

re: #146 FormerDirtDart

I will admit, as a lawyer, often my first draft of many, many responses is somewhere along the lines of “fuck you and the horse you rode in on.” But when I have that reaction, I always think of the immortal words of Herm Edwards:

DON’T PRESS SEND

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darthstar  Jul 13, 2017 • 2:02:14pm

Thread:

Kasowitz is fucked up. A few tweets below, but read the whole thing.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 13, 2017 • 2:02:27pm

re: #157 KGxvi

I will admit, as a lawyer, often my first draft of many, many responses is somewhere along the lines of “fuck you and the horse you rode in on.” But when I have that reaction, I always think of the immortal words of Herm Edwards:

DON’T PRESS SEND

I don’t think this is limited to lawyers.

The number of comments I have not hit post on over the years is impressive.

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darthstar  Jul 13, 2017 • 2:03:03pm

Okay…looks like everyone’s on it.

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Teukka  Jul 13, 2017 • 2:03:08pm

re: #146 FormerDirtDart

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Is it just me, or is the dude a wee bit rattled?

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 13, 2017 • 2:04:25pm
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darthstar  Jul 13, 2017 • 2:04:29pm

re: #157 KGxvi

I will admit, as a lawyer, often my first draft of many, many responses is somewhere along the lines of “fuck you and the horse you rode in on.” But when I have that reaction, I always think of the immortal words of Herm Edwards:

DON’T PRESS SEND

I have learned not to fill in the To: field until I’ve had time to proofread my emails and if I’m angry, gotten a second opinion. I find the cursor stays above where I click “New message” and just happens to be above “Send” while I’m writing…so the To: field is the last thing I do anymore.

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jaunte  Jul 13, 2017 • 2:04:43pm

Pro Publica:

Since the story was published, his spokesman issued a statement disputing several parts of the story: “Marc Kasowitz has not struggled with alcoholism,” Sitrick wrote. “He has not come into the office intoxicated, attorneys have not had to go across the street to the restaurant during the workday to consult Kasowitz on work matters.”

Who among us, etc.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 13, 2017 • 2:04:54pm

re: #158 darthstar

Thread:

Ivanka: Dad, let’s make sure we don’t have any email problems ourselves. Everyone on our team needs to be extra careful about what we send electronically.

DJT: Hold my beer….

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EPR-radar  Jul 13, 2017 • 2:04:59pm

re: #143 KGxvi

Maybe my outlook is too long term, then, because I don’t see how selling out to a hostile adversary helps me secure power beyond the end of next week. What good is having power if gaining it means weakening American standing internationally (meaning you have less power)? What good is having power if gaining it means that the system/society/economy you seek to control is weakened by outside forces?

This is the sheep mortgaging the fields to the wolves. Any short term gain you might think you have is clearly outweighed by the eventual fuckedupness you’re going to experience.

I think the second part of the story is that these GOP goons don’t really believe their own thousand-year Reich stories about how they can stay in power indefinitely. So the power they seized is transitory and their plan is apparently to loot as much as they can as fast as they can during this opportunity.

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ObserverArt  Jul 13, 2017 • 2:05:09pm

All the best people. Yeah right. Cream of the crop scum.

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darthstar  Jul 13, 2017 • 2:05:11pm

re: #162 FormerDirtDart

Not qualified…the kid hasn’t learned out to lie yet.

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b.d.  Jul 13, 2017 • 2:05:55pm

re: #168 darthstar

Not qualified…the kid hasn’t learned out to lie yet.

She doesn’t care if anyone sees her pee tape….

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makeitstop  Jul 13, 2017 • 2:06:07pm

re: #161 Teukka

Is it just me, or is the dude a wee bit rattled?

That’s his style. In NYC he’s known as a ‘bulldog.’ Trump loves the fact that he’s a bullying asshole.

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jaunte  Jul 13, 2017 • 2:06:56pm

re: #166 EPR-radar

I think the second part of the story is that these GOP goons don’t really believe their own thousand-year Reich stories about how they can stay in power indefinitely. So the power they seized is transitory and their plan is to apparently loot as much as they can as fast as they can during this opportunity.

They definitely have that “Après nous, le déluge” tendency.

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ObserverArt  Jul 13, 2017 • 2:07:38pm

re: #160 darthstar

Okay…looks like everyone’s on it.

I count on you for a little Deja vu.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 13, 2017 • 2:07:58pm

re: #163 darthstar

I have learned not to fill in the To: field until I’ve had time to proofread my emails and if I’m angry, gotten a second opinion. I find the cursor stays above where I click “New message” and just happens to be above “Send” while I’m writing…so the To: field is the last thing I do anymore.

Great idea

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KGxvi  Jul 13, 2017 • 2:08:37pm

re: #164 jaunte

Pro Publica:

Who among us, etc.

All good lawyers keep a bottle in their bottom drawer, and if they’re a partner, they just have a full set up in their office.

They don’t call it “the bar” for nothing.

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makeitstop  Jul 13, 2017 • 2:09:22pm

re: #170 makeitstop

That’s his style. In NYC he’s known as a ‘bulldog.’ Trump loves the fact that he’s a bullying asshole.

In fact, I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if the latest woman who went public with sexual harassment charges against Trump ended up dropping it because of emails from Kasowitz. Remember she cited ‘threats?’ There you go.

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BeachDem  Jul 13, 2017 • 2:09:52pm

re: #162 FormerDirtDart

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I’m probably just in a bad mood, but I don’t think it’s cute or funny. It’s total pandering for “awwws.” Fuck Ivanka.

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Lidane  Jul 13, 2017 • 2:11:44pm

re: #163 darthstar

I have learned not to fill in the To: field until I’ve had time to proofread my emails and if I’m angry, gotten a second opinion.

That’s my general strategy. If a client annoys me, I vent my spleen in a blank Word doc first, then open Outlook (which I’m doomed to use at work) and leave everything in the To: and CC: spaces blank until I’ve rewritten my rant in a more civilized manner. Then I have it double checked by my boss before I send it off. Saves me lots of headaches that way.

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ObserverArt  Jul 13, 2017 • 2:11:54pm

re: #170 makeitstop

That’s his style. In NYC he’s known as a ‘bulldog.’ Trump loves the fact that he’s a bullying asshole.

Seems to be his typical hire. I guess his “best people” are all bullies and they provide Donny with the testosterone he lacks himself.

They really are a crime family.

The Sopranos Trumps

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makeitstop  Jul 13, 2017 • 2:14:08pm

re: #178 ObserverArt

Seems to be his typical hire. I guess his “best people” are all bullies and they provide Donny with the testosterone he lacks himself.

They really are a crime family.

The Sopranos Trumps

The GOPranos.

(Except Tony would have pitched most of this crew into the ocean for being incompetent.)

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darthstar  Jul 13, 2017 • 2:15:02pm
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darthstar  Jul 13, 2017 • 2:16:59pm

re: #172 ObserverArt

I count on you for a little Deja vu.

That’s three years out.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 13, 2017 • 2:23:27pm

re: #123 b.d.

I guess we don’t need to ask Mr. Gorka what Russia is giving us?

That’s Doctor Gorka…..

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darthstar  Jul 13, 2017 • 2:29:07pm
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jaunte  Jul 13, 2017 • 2:31:53pm
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Stanley Sea  Jul 13, 2017 • 2:32:44pm

re: #181 darthstar

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darthstar  Jul 13, 2017 • 2:34:36pm

re: #185 jaunte

Yay, good humans!

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EPR-radar  Jul 13, 2017 • 2:35:03pm

re: #184 darthstar

Sure it’s Russia vs. USA, but the 800 lb gorilla in this particular room is nearly everyone in the GOP acting as stooges, Quislings, agents, spys, willing dupes and saboteurs aiding Russia.

The great causes used to justify this party-wide near-treason are: 1) tax cuts for the rich and 2) pissing off liberals.

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jaunte  Jul 13, 2017 • 2:35:22pm

re: #187 darthstar

And none of them seemed to want to cut the elephant’s tail off.

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Jebediah, RBG  Jul 13, 2017 • 2:36:03pm

re: #189 jaunte

And none of them seemed to want to cut the elephant’s tail off.

It is one of the ways you can distinguish a good human from a trump.

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Romantic Heretic  Jul 13, 2017 • 2:36:41pm

re: #117 jaunte

Republicans are complicit in destroying the idea that we are a nation of laws.

Badges? We don’ need no stinking’ badges!

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jaunte  Jul 13, 2017 • 2:37:07pm

re: #191 Romantic Heretic

They were Sheriff’s badges!

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Stanley Sea  Jul 13, 2017 • 2:37:17pm

He’s such a fucking crook

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EPR-radar  Jul 13, 2017 • 2:37:25pm

re: #185 jaunte

What a waste of time and money. A few rounds from a machine gun would have removed this intolerable nuisance at much less expense.

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BeachDem  Jul 13, 2017 • 2:38:54pm

re: #193 Stanley Sea

He’s such a fucking crook

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Same shit he’s trying to pull up in Westchester County.

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darthstar  Jul 13, 2017 • 2:40:05pm

re: #186 Stanley Sea

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Stanley Sea  Jul 13, 2017 • 2:40:08pm

re: #195 BeachDem

Same shit he’s trying to pull up in Westchester County.

His financial disclosure is toilet paper.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 13, 2017 • 2:40:42pm

re: #196 darthstar

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EPR-radar  Jul 13, 2017 • 2:40:55pm

re: #193 Stanley Sea

He’s such a fucking crook

Yep. That’s why my fondest hope is that when ‘follow the money’ get applied to tr*mp, the resulting mess will be so revolting it taints the entire GOP for several election cycles.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 13, 2017 • 2:42:16pm
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BeachDem  Jul 13, 2017 • 2:42:25pm

JFC—they arrested Rev. Barber for protesting at fucking McConnell’s office.

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darthstar  Jul 13, 2017 • 2:42:53pm

re: #198 Stanley Sea

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Charles Johnson  Jul 13, 2017 • 2:43:20pm
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CongoJack  Jul 13, 2017 • 2:48:06pm

re: #203 Charles Johnson

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He then snorted it thinking it was cocaine as Vincent Vega was taking a leak and giving himself a pep talk in the bathroom. Once Vincent realized tRump had snorted the heroin Mr. Vega took tRump to his dealers house where they “stabbed the OD’ing bitch in the heart” with syringe full of adrenaline while the dealer’s girlfriend peed on him.

All-in-all a good night for Dolt 45.

Edit.. typo

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darthstar  Jul 13, 2017 • 2:48:39pm

My goofy wife…yucking it up in Greece with our friends and their kids. Like Despoena off to see her father, Poseidon.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 13, 2017 • 2:49:03pm

re: #180 darthstar

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My hovercraft is full of eels.

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Jebediah, RBG  Jul 13, 2017 • 2:49:35pm

re: #206 wheat-dogg

My hovercraft is full of eels.

WAS full of eels.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 13, 2017 • 2:50:20pm

re: #185 jaunte

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It’s a metaphor for the American GOP.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 13, 2017 • 2:53:35pm

More slime & eel shots

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 13, 2017 • 2:53:35pm

re: #154 Lidane

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Timothy Watson  Jul 13, 2017 • 2:53:41pm

re: #154 Lidane

President Trump offers a vivid example of someone on our side of the wall being killed by a falling, 60-lbs. bag of heroin

His name was Jim.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 13, 2017 • 2:56:33pm
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jaunte  Jul 13, 2017 • 2:56:41pm

re: #210 goddamnedfrank

As with many other subjects, Trump has no idea how drugs get into the country.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 13, 2017 • 2:57:39pm
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EPR-radar  Jul 13, 2017 • 2:58:34pm

re: #204 CongoJack

He then snorted it thinking it was cocaine as Vincent Vega was taking a leak and giving himself a pep talk in the bathroom. Once Vincent realized tRump had snorted the heroin Mr. Vega took tRump to his dealers house where they “stabbed the OD’ing bitch in the heart” with syringe full of adrenaline while the dealer’s girlfriend peed on him.

All-in-all a good night for Dolt 45.

Edit.. typo

The good old days for tr*mp, when he was young enough that his Caligula-grade debauchery didn’t instantly kill him.

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Teukka  Jul 13, 2017 • 2:58:46pm

re: #214 FormerDirtDart

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I bet the highway patrol was eelated.
*goes to room*

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TedStriker  Jul 13, 2017 • 2:59:41pm

re: #106 KGxvi

This is the same party that had a nominee 5 years ago who said Russia was our number one geopolitical adversary. This is a party that drove the anti-communist agenda for the better part of a century. This is the party who is supposedly hawkish on foreign policy.

What in the utter fuck is going on?

The GOP has sold what is left of its, flinty, coal-black soul to the devil (Putin/Russia) to get control of the WH and Congress (and, by extension, SCOTUS) in order to kill every bit of social progress and protections made over the past century.

To quote St. Bruce of Asbury Park, they made a “last-chance power drive”…and it worked; now, the GOP is in another race to bulldoze as much of their regressive policies before Trump makes it where absolutely there’s no choice but for him to be out of the WH.

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jaunte  Jul 13, 2017 • 3:01:10pm

re: #209 FormerDirtDart

“…My dad would get pissed out of his brain every single night,
and when the telly finished he’d storm out of the house like a lunatic
to get to the Eel and Pie shop before it closed.
He’d come home with enough for an army.
I never liked the eels, just the pies and mash, and the liquor.
My friend Dave said that eels live on sewage.
My dad must be full of it, he used to eat five bleeding cartons of eels a day.”
— Pete Townshend

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darthstar  Jul 13, 2017 • 3:02:26pm

And another thing I like about France’s President Macron…besides the fact that his English is better than Trump’s…When he says Putin, he pronouces it poutine…like he’s a cheesy fried food drowned in gravy.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 13, 2017 • 3:02:52pm

re: #214 FormerDirtDart

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EPR-radar  Jul 13, 2017 • 3:03:02pm

The RudePundit hits another one out of the park rudepundit.blogspot.com

Why spend so much time on someone who ought to be busy convincing people to buy time shares while yelling at his grandkids about the “coloreds”? Because King’s brand of dumb cruelty is the same as the driving force behind the revised Republican health care bill in the Senate, which manages to be crueler and dumber than the House version. The putrid Ted Cruz’s putrid amendment would stick a meat hook into the Affordable Care Act’s insurance guarantees and rip them open until their guts are steaming on the ground while Cruz yowls as he jacks off into the gore. The Medicaid cuts are essentially Mitch McConnell saying, “Fuck you” to the so-called moderate senators, daring them to defy him, the party, and Trump, in that order, daring them to stare into his dead amphibian eyes and have their souls sucked away.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 13, 2017 • 3:03:59pm
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Charles Johnson  Jul 13, 2017 • 3:09:06pm
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ObserverArt  Jul 13, 2017 • 3:09:37pm

I want the ultimate excuse for the Trumps.

Just say you are not good enough for the job. You can’t handle it as you were not prepared as you admit…pack your bags and leave the White House.

Might I suggest permanent residence in Russia.

Knothnxbai

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EPR-radar  Jul 13, 2017 • 3:10:32pm

re: #222 goddamnedfrank

The only qualification that bunch of 30 something adults has for their management positions in that supposedly billion dollar company is the ability to fellate tr*mp so expertly as to make tr*mp feel like his prostate is coming out his dick hole.

It apparently needs to be said that this is not actually a good way to pick people for management positions in companies, whether or not they are actually billion dollar companies.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 13, 2017 • 3:10:55pm

re: #218 jaunte

“…My dad would get pissed out of his brain every single night,
and when the telly finished he’d storm out of the house like a lunatic
to get to the Eel and Pie shop before it closed.
He’d come home with enough for an army.
I never liked the eels, just the pies and mash, and the liquor.
My friend Dave said that eels live on sewage.
My dad must be full of it, he used to eat five bleeding cartons of eels a day.”
— Pete Townshend

I like the way eel is prepared in Japan, but I doubt I’d eat it more than once a year.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 13, 2017 • 3:20:09pm
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jaunte  Jul 13, 2017 • 3:21:41pm

Al Franken, pushing back against the nomination of racist birther John Bush.

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gocart mozart  Jul 13, 2017 • 3:22:40pm

So I Googled Trump + windows to make this Twitter gag

Is this one of Trump’s China trademark companies?
trumpchina.en.alibaba.com

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jaunte  Jul 13, 2017 • 3:24:03pm

The Strange Civil Rights Views of Trump’s Latest Court Nominees
politico.com

“…Bush is shocking in his blatant disdain for equal rights and animus toward racial and other minorities. While blogging under a pseudonym in 2008, Bush invoked Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. to attack women’s reproductive rights. In a post titled “The Legacy from Dr. King’s Dream That Liberals Ignore,” Bush joined Newsom in comparing Dred Scott to Roe (both “relied on similar reasoning and activist justices”), and wrote that “slavery and abortion” are the “two greatest tragedies in our country.” In his Senate questionnaire, he dismissively referred to the brutal 1993 beating of Rodney King by Los Angeles police officers as a “police encounter.” In another blog post, he brushed aside the discriminatory effects of voter ID laws. Bush has also said that a landmark Supreme Court ruling protecting the freedom of the press was wrongly decided, a view disturbingly convenient for a president who incessantly attacks the media. Perhaps most troubling about Bush, though, is what he hasn’t voiced: In forms filed with the U.S. Senate, Bush failed to disclose—as required by Senate Judiciary Committee rules—that a Louisville social club to which he belongs had a long history of excluding African-Americans, women and Jews.”

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 13, 2017 • 3:26:24pm

re: #223 Charles Johnson

FAKE NEWS!!!!! IT’S ALL FAKE NEWS!!!!!

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 13, 2017 • 3:30:55pm

re: #230 jaunte

The Strange Civil Rights Views of Trump’s Latest Court Nominees
politico.com

He seems nice … (no).

I want Mueller to hurry up, but I do understand the need for care and completeness (you only get one shot at something like this). It did take over two years to oust Nixon.

When this is all over, I sincerely hope that the stink sticks to the GOP for a generation (or better yet, they go the way of the Whigs). The recent state elections in NH, NY, and OK (4 for 4 for the Dems in GOP legislature seats) does add some hope here, along with thousands stepping forward to run for offices across the nation.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 13, 2017 • 3:32:04pm

Fixed above comment.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 13, 2017 • 3:33:04pm

Hayes whole tweetstorm here is worth a read.

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darthstar  Jul 13, 2017 • 3:33:10pm

re: #231 The Vicious Babushka

FAKE NEWS!!!!! IT’S ALL FAKE NEWS!!!!!

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Trump is going to resign in disgrace and half of his base won’t realize he isn’t President anymore until they ask why he isn’t running for reelection.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 13, 2017 • 3:35:23pm

re: #235 darthstar

Trump is going to resign in disgrace and half of his base won’t realize he isn’t President anymore until they ask why he isn’t running for reelection.

If a resignation was coming, you can bet FOX, Sinclair, Christian hate radio, and everyone else in the Republican propaganda arm would make sure to let them know “liberals” did it.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 13, 2017 • 3:35:56pm

re: #235 darthstar

Trump will never resign. His ego won’t let him.

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fern01  Jul 13, 2017 • 3:37:09pm

re: #3 Eclectic Cyborg

I can’t believe Trumps people think you can edit your security disclosures and it will all be okay.

This isn’t a misspelled word on a Tweet, it is a CRIME to lie on those forms.

When you own the congress and the department of Justice, it is not a crime. Laws only apply to the other people.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 13, 2017 • 3:37:24pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 13, 2017 • 3:38:58pm

re: #234 Blind Frog Belly White

I think Barro is WAY off the mark here. I mean, Hillary struggled because she’d given speeches to AMERICAN bankers. And the Right had already expressed the desire to replace our democratically elected, but black President with a former KGB spook who took over Russia and kills critics and political opponents.

I mean, WAY too many Lefties fell under the spell of Hugo Chavez early on, but I don’t think any of them posted pics of him and said, “Why can’t we have HIM instead of Bush?”

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Teukka  Jul 13, 2017 • 3:38:58pm

re: #239 Charles Johnson

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gocart mozart  Jul 13, 2017 • 3:40:49pm
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EPR-radar  Jul 13, 2017 • 3:41:56pm

re: #234 Blind Frog Belly White

Hayes Barro is right that this cuts both ways. Voting against Republicans is the only reason I bother to vote, and in the hypothetical case of a (D) presidential candidate with messy foreign entanglements, I’d vote for the (D) and hope for the best with the resulting PR damage.

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EPR-radar  Jul 13, 2017 • 3:43:17pm

re: #237 Eclectic Cyborg

Trump will never resign. His ego won’t let him.

Even if he’s impeached and convicted, they would have to physically drag him out of the white house.

I have no problem with this scenario, at all.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 13, 2017 • 3:44:01pm

re: #243 EPR-radar

Hayes is right that this cuts both ways. Voting against Republicans is the only reason I both to vote, and in the hypothetical case of a (D) presidential candidate with messy foreign entanglements, I’d vote for the (D) and hope for the best with the resulting PR damage.

(I think you mean Barro)

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 13, 2017 • 3:44:13pm

re: #243 EPR-radar

Hayes is right that this cuts both ways. Voting against Republicans is the only reason I both to vote, and in the hypothetical case of a (D) presidential candidate with messy foreign entanglements, I’d vote for the (D) and hope for the best with the resulting PR damage.

I just hope in the next election I don’t have to turn in a ballot that is entirely blank except for President and Vice-President. (In the last election, those were the only non-R candidates on my ballot, other than a Libertarian running for state treasurer.)

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 13, 2017 • 3:44:43pm

re: #244 EPR-radar

Even if he’s impeached and convicted, they would have to physically drag him out of the white house.

I have no problem with this scenario, at all.

In handcuffs. With just his underwear. And a gimp mask.

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EPR-radar  Jul 13, 2017 • 3:46:24pm

re: #245 Blind Frog Belly White

(I think you mean Barro)

Fixed. Thanks.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 13, 2017 • 3:46:55pm

re: #244 EPR-radar

Even if he’s impeached and convicted, they would have to physically drag him out of the white house.

I have no problem with this scenario, at all.

Change the locks while he’s off at his golf club.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 13, 2017 • 3:47:32pm
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EPR-radar  Jul 13, 2017 • 3:47:55pm

re: #249 The Vicious Babushka

Change the locks while he’s off at his golf club.

Asset forfeiture (from subsequent criminal charges). Hit him where it really hurts.

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KGxvi  Jul 13, 2017 • 3:48:01pm

re: #243 EPR-radar

Hayes is right that this cuts both ways. Voting against Republicans is the only reason I both to vote, and in the hypothetical case of a (D) presidential candidate with messy foreign entanglements, I’d vote for the (D) and hope for the best with the resulting PR damage.

Assuming the foreign entanglements came out during the campaign, my guess is the party would find a way to jettison the nominee (assuming post convention; pre-convention, I’m guessing enough voters/superdelegates would reject that candidate).

If it came out after inauguration, I suspect the intra-party pressure would be enough to get that person to resign before facing impeachment. But that’s what happens when you have a party that isn’t scared of its base/nominee/shadow.

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EPR-radar  Jul 13, 2017 • 3:48:59pm

re: #250 goddamnedfrank

Well shit. This could be the first convenient death for the tr*mp/Putin cover-up.

254
KGxvi  Jul 13, 2017 • 3:49:26pm

re: #244 EPR-radar

Even if he’s impeached and convicted, they would have to physically drag him out of the white house.

I have no problem with this scenario, at all.

He did once “voluntarily” resign from one of his companies… in the midst of bankruptcy, as a condition of the company not being completely liquidated. So… yeah?

255
EPR-radar  Jul 13, 2017 • 3:50:16pm

re: #252 KGxvi

Assuming the foreign entanglements came out during the campaign, my guess is the party would find a way to jettison the nominee (assuming post convention; pre-convention, I’m guessing enough voters/superdelegates would reject that candidate).

If it came out after inauguration, I suspect the intra-party pressure would be enough to get that person to resign before facing impeachment. But that’s what happens when you have a party that isn’t scared of its base/nominee/shadow.

Yes, I think this is pretty much what Barro had in mind by saying that there are other mechanisms by which the Democratic party could rid itself of an unacceptable candidate or President.

Edited to add: This all depends on the Democrats being reality based, while the entire Republicans party runs on nothing but lies and willful delusion.

256
MsJ  Jul 13, 2017 • 3:50:39pm

re: #180 darthstar

There’s a little doggie at the rear end under the license plate.

Weird.

257
piratedan  Jul 13, 2017 • 3:51:58pm

re: #252 KGxvi

well the Dems apparently have ethics in regards to their candidates, for examples, see:

Hart, Gary
Edwards, John

258
jaunte  Jul 13, 2017 • 3:52:37pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 13, 2017 • 3:54:27pm

Rebecca’s not happy with Mr. Trump’s display with Mrs. Macron today:

Trump Grabs French First Lady’s Arm by Pussy then Pervs All Over Her. Diplomacy! (goes to Wonkette)

260
goddamnedfrank  Jul 13, 2017 • 3:55:09pm

These fucking guys.

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KGxvi  Jul 13, 2017 • 3:58:45pm

re: #255 EPR-radar

Yes, I think this is pretty much what Barro had in mind by saying that there are other mechanisms by which the Democratic party could rid itself of an unacceptable candidate or President.

I’m still really amazed that the GOP establishment (elected officials, party leaders, etc) haven’t turned on him. They’ve got one of their own in Pence, and they have to know, on some level, that their base isn’t actually going anywhere. Worst case scenario, the base stays home one cycle, Democrats win big, and the GOP base gets pissed off again and turns out the following cycle to stop the commie pinko libs from ruining Murka. They really don’t owe Trump anything - they lost ground in Congress with him on the ticket (six seats in the House, 2 in the Senate). They’d still have working majorities in both houses with Pence as president, and we’ve seen them ignore the idea of political capital when they control Congress and the White House… so it really just makes no sense to me.

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Teukka  Jul 13, 2017 • 3:59:00pm

re: #247 Ace Rothstein

In handcuffs. With just his underwear. And a gimp mask.

Nononono. FBI Raid on the WH.

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EPR-radar  Jul 13, 2017 • 3:59:06pm

re: #260 goddamnedfrank

Hordes of machete-weilding Hottentots are invading over the Southern Border. Total US population at several billion and increasing, at least 90% illegal!!!!!!

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MsJ  Jul 13, 2017 • 4:01:08pm

re: #244 EPR-radar

Even if he’s impeached and convicted, they would have to physically drag him out of the white house.

I have no problem with this scenario, at all.

I’d pay big bucks to see that on PPV.

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KGxvi  Jul 13, 2017 • 4:01:20pm

re: #262 Teukka

Nononono. FBI Raid on the WH.

Secret Service removing Trump when newly sworn in President Pence enters the White House in order to protect the president.

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makeitstop  Jul 13, 2017 • 4:02:22pm

re: #244 EPR-radar

Even if he’s impeached and convicted, they would have to physically drag him out of the white house.

I have no problem with this scenario, at all.

I do, however, insist upon live coverage on all networks.

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EPR-radar  Jul 13, 2017 • 4:02:31pm

re: #261 KGxvi

I’m still really amazed that the GOP establishment (elected officials, party leaders, etc) haven’t turned on him. They’ve got one of their own in Pence, and they have to know, on some level, that their base isn’t actually going anywhere. Worst case scenario, the base stays home one cycle, Democrats win big, and the GOP base gets pissed off again and turns out the following cycle to stop the commie pinko libs from ruining Murka. They really don’t owe Trump anything - they lost ground in Congress with him on the ticket (six seats in the House, 2 in the Senate). They’d still have working majorities in both houses with Pence as president, and we’ve seen them ignore the idea of political capital when they control Congress and the White House… so it really just makes no sense to me.

The only way I can see sense in this from a realpolitik point of view is that perhaps the GOP base wouldn’t just sulk for one election if their Voice and God-Emperor is given the boot by Republicans. If instead it would cause the long-awaited GOP civil war, they may think they have no choice but to try to make tr*mp work out somehow.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 13, 2017 • 4:02:40pm

Senate Republicans (again) insert provision into healthcare wealthcare for billionaires law that exempts members of Congress: It requires that Congressional coverage includes essential health benefits (while taking that away from everyone else).

vox.com

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Jul 13, 2017 • 4:03:38pm

re: #260 goddamnedfrank

These fucking guys.

[Embedded content]

I mean, they did sort of prove in the primaries that math was not their strong suit so I guess this isn’t surprising?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 13, 2017 • 4:04:26pm

re: #261 KGxvi

I’m still really amazed that the GOP establishment (elected officials, party leaders, etc) haven’t turned on him. They’ve got one of their own in Pence, and they have to know, on some level, that their base isn’t actually going anywhere. Worst case scenario, the base stays home one cycle, Democrats win big, and the GOP base gets pissed off again and turns out the following cycle to stop the commie pinko libs from ruining Murka. They really don’t owe Trump anything - they lost ground in Congress with him on the ticket (six seats in the House, 2 in the Senate). They’d still have working majorities in both houses with Pence as president, and we’ve seen them ignore the idea of political capital when they control Congress and the White House… so it really just makes no sense to me.

Recall it was reported when the DNC was hacked, so was the RNC. That information about the RNC was not released. Blackmail is an excellent way to keep a politician bought.

Moreover, if they are tied to the Russia business by more than studiously trying to ignore it, they go down with him.

That’s why.

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EPR-radar  Jul 13, 2017 • 4:04:44pm

re: #264 MsJ

I’d pay big bucks to see that on PPV.

If I were obscenely wealthy, I’d commission a nuclear powered interstellar probe having video of tr*mp’s ejection from the white house on endless loop as proof that we got at least one thing right on this planet.

272
Ace Rothstein  Jul 13, 2017 • 4:05:49pm

NYT: Trump tells aides “I think this is getting better.”

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jul 13, 2017 • 4:06:53pm

re: #272 Ace Rothstein

NYT: Trump tells aides “I think this is getting better.”

Fox keeps telling him that nothing is coming of the investigation.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 13, 2017 • 4:12:16pm

Guy on steemit.com is challenging people to provide a photo of the far side of the Moon, taken from the Earth’s surface.

The comments are distressing to this science teacher. You will see my comment if you follow the link.

steemit.com

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darthstar  Jul 13, 2017 • 4:12:49pm

re: #256 MsJ

There’s a little doggie at the rear end under the license plate.

Weird.

Ooh…slimy puppy face.

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darthstar  Jul 13, 2017 • 4:13:35pm

re: #272 Ace Rothstein

NYT: Trump tells aides “I think this is getting better.”

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EPR-radar  Jul 13, 2017 • 4:15:02pm

re: #272 Ace Rothstein

NYT: Trump tells aides “I think this is getting better.”

Yo, POTUS von Cocksplat:

It has been a while since the last love note from yours truly.

It seems that you are more delusional than usual today, in believing the worst of your scandals may be over.

Let me help you to dispense with these delusions. Like most rich assholes, you are very good at forgetting that money for rich assholes invariably comes from more or less criminal acts. Unfortunately for you, your personal finances are going to be audited and investigated in a way that has never been done before. Real estate crooks in your line of work know what to expect from the IRS, so this would be nothing like the perpetual IRS audit you’ve been dorking around with for decades.

Instead this is going to be a criminal and counter-intelligence investigation into you, your campaign and your finances, and I don’t think anyone is going to like what they see when that cesspool is dredged up.

May you enjoy blood blisters on both thumbs from impotent rage-tweeting as your despicable personal empire crashes down around your ears.

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EPR-radar  Jul 13, 2017 • 4:16:41pm

re: #274 wheat-dogg

Guy on steemit.com is challenging people to provide a photo of the far side of the Moon, taken from the Earth’s surface.

The comments are distressing to this science teacher. You will see my comment if you follow the link.

steemit.com

Ugh. That’s a perfect example of being “not even wrong” with respect to a technical issue.

279
KingKenrod  Jul 13, 2017 • 4:20:54pm

re: #274 wheat-dogg

Guy on steemit.com is challenging people to provide a photo of the far side of the Moon, taken from the Earth’s surface.

The comments are distressing to this science teacher. You will see my comment if you follow the link.

steemit.com

Never heard of steemit, but after taking a look it seems like a pyramid scheme for trolls.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 13, 2017 • 4:22:42pm

re: #278 EPR-radar

Ugh. That’s a perfect example of being “not even wrong” with respect to a technical issue.

inorite? I could excuse the question if it came from a gradeschooler, but coming from an adult, it shows he has a serious hole in his education. The comment about “how can we see the Moon in the day while others can see it at night at the same time?” floored me.

When I taught this concept in class, I used a tennis ball for the Moon and a basketball for the Earth and a bright light in a dark room, because 2D diagrams in textbooks just don’t click with 9th graders.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 13, 2017 • 4:22:51pm

re: #278 EPR-radar

Ugh. That’s a perfect example of being “not even wrong” with respect to a technical issue.

Sort of like taking a photo of a basketball’s back side. Babbage’s “not even wrong” statement certainly applies.

282
Anymouse 🌹  Jul 13, 2017 • 4:25:22pm

re: #274 wheat-dogg

Guy on steemit.com is challenging people to provide a photo of the far side of the Moon, taken from the Earth’s surface.

The comments are distressing to this science teacher. You will see my comment if you follow the link.

steemit.com

Gaaa. You know they’re going to troll your answer, because it contains facts and stuff.

283
wheat-dogg  Jul 13, 2017 • 4:27:04pm

re: #279 KingKenrod

Never heard of steemit, but after taking a look it seems like a pyramid scheme for trolls.

I’ve found it less trollish than Reddit, but still full of libertarians and woo-woo types who have only a loose connection to reality. I doubt it’s a pyramid scheme, but there are certain aspects of the remuneration scheme that are a little bothersome. For one, if you buy a lot of Steem Power and hold it, your upvotes (and influence) are substantially higher. Plus you make more on your posts.

A lot of the posts are just links to YouTube videos other people have done, but there are some decent writers, artists and photographers posting there, too.

As with anything, Sturgeon’s Law applies.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 13, 2017 • 4:27:40pm

House Panel Rejects Push to Revoke Kushner’s Security Clearance
thehill.com

More:

The House Appropriations Committee on Thursday rejected two amendments to a key spending bill intended to revoke the security clearance of President Trump’s son-in-law and senior adviser Jared Kushner.

One of the amendments to the Commerce, Justice and Science Appropriations Bill, introduced by Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-Fla.), would bar funds from being used “to issue, renew, or maintain a security clearance for any individual in a position in the Executive Office of the President who is under a criminal investigation by a Federal law enforcement agency for aiding a foreign government.” The amendment failed in a 22-30 vote.

The second amendment was aimed at revoking the security clearance of White House staffers who deliberately fail to disclose meetings with foreign nationals or governments on their questionnaire for national security positions. The committee also rejected the amendment 22-30.

Wasserman Schultz argued that the amendments were necessary for safeguarding the country’s most sensitive national security information.

But Rep. John Culberson (R-Texas) called the amendments a “political stunt” and that security clearance decisions should be left to security professionals.

“The use of funding prohibitions to deny or remove security clearances is just simply a political stunt and unnecessary, because security clearances can already be denied or revoked because criminal conduct,” he said.

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EPR-radar  Jul 13, 2017 • 4:27:46pm

re: #282 Anymouse 🌹

Gaaa. You know they’re going to troll your answer, because it contains facts and stuff.

I think we all remember the grade-school morons who would lash out in slope-browed stupidity and malice at any perceive ‘egghead’ in the class who actually knew anything.

The tr*mp administration and the GOP as a whole is full of the willfully stupid and malicious adults those grade-school bullies grew up to become.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 13, 2017 • 4:28:29pm

re: #281 Anymouse 🌹

Sort of like taking a photo of a basketball’s back side. Babbage’s “not even wrong” statement certainly applies.

I’m not sure why he thinks it’s even possible. We’ve been observing the Moon for thousands of years, and never seen but one side of it.

287
EPR-radar  Jul 13, 2017 • 4:30:42pm

re: #286 wheat-dogg

I’m not sure why he thinks it’s even possible. We’ve been observing the Moon for thousands of years, and never seen but one side of it.

Until space travel, of course. Is the context for these idiots some kind of flat earther bullshit where all the space images are fakes, including the pictures of the far side of the moon?

288
wheat-dogg  Jul 13, 2017 • 4:33:32pm

re: #287 EPR-radar

Until space travel, of course. Is the context for these idiots some kind of flat earther bullshit where all the space images are fakes, including the pictures of the far side of the moon?

I’ll soon find out. I shared an Apollo 16 photo of the far side of the Moon just now.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 13, 2017 • 4:34:43pm

re: #286 wheat-dogg

I’m not sure why he thinks it’s even possible. We’ve been observing the Moon for thousands of years, and never seen but one side of it.

Perhaps he teaches the controversial position that the Moon only has one side.

291
EPR-radar  Jul 13, 2017 • 4:36:15pm

re: #289 Decatur Deb

Perhaps he teaches the controversial position that the Moon only has one side.

There’s no limit once you go full flat earther. Perhaps they think the moon is a cardboard disk with craters drawn only on the side facing earth.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 13, 2017 • 4:41:12pm

re: #288 wheat-dogg

I’ll soon find out. I shared an Apollo 16 photo of the far side of the Moon just now.

He accepted it, so I don’t know what his deal is. Maybe he’s just stoned or something.

Maybe I’ll just flood the thread with shitloads of backside of the moon pix.

293
ObserverArt  Jul 13, 2017 • 4:42:19pm

re: #237 Eclectic Cyborg

Trump will never resign. His ego won’t let him.

Ego is a funny thing. If faced with actual impeachment he might resign as a statement that he is too good for all of us and so he is taking his game and going home.

And then there will be years of him moaning about how American blew it by not allowing him to make America Great Again and we are all sad losers.

294
Decatur Deb  Jul 13, 2017 • 4:43:28pm

re: #291 EPR-radar

There’s no limit once you go full flat earther. Perhaps they think the moon is a cardboard disk with craters drawn only on the side facing earth.

That will be in the 5th grade curriculum of DeVos’ Uncommon Core.

295
Decatur Deb  Jul 13, 2017 • 4:44:17pm

re: #292 wheat-dogg

He accepted it, so I don’t know what his deal is. Maybe he’s just stoned or something.

Maybe I’ll just flood the thread with shitloads of backside of the moon pix.

So it’s a moon. Prove it’s our Moon.

296
wheat-dogg  Jul 13, 2017 • 4:44:30pm

re: #294 Decatur Deb

That will be in the 5th grade curriculum of DeVos’ Uncommon Core.

I shudder to imagine what the DeVos family understands about celestial mechanics.

297
Decatur Deb  Jul 13, 2017 • 4:45:45pm

re: #296 wheat-dogg

I shudder to imagine what the DeVos family understands about celestial mechanics.

It depends upon the Hate that moves the Sun and other stars.

298
wheat-dogg  Jul 13, 2017 • 4:46:40pm

re: #295 Decatur Deb

So it’s a moon. Prove it’s our Moon.

yeah, I’m waiting for that.

But as I said, Steemit seems to have fewer trolls than Reddit, because it’s not easy to sign up for an account. There’s a waiting period, or you can pay a little bitcoins to buy an account. Spammers and scammers are shut down pretty fast.

299
ObserverArt  Jul 13, 2017 • 4:47:17pm

re: #250 goddamnedfrank

Katherine Skiba @KatherineSkiba
BREAKING STORY: Peter W. Smith, GOP operative who sought Clinton’s emails from Russian hackers, died in suicide fw.to
6:11 PM - 13 Jul 2017

Whoa.

I bet Alex Jones is all over this one.

300
Anymouse 🌹  Jul 13, 2017 • 4:47:37pm
Fixing air-conditioning is, let’s face it, not the most exciting solution to climate change.

Perhaps for the same reason that remodeling a kitchen is more enticing than replacing a water heater, devising greener refrigerant chemicals will never make headlines like solar installations or electric cars do. You just can’t take a great selfie with the inside of an air-conditioner.

But fixing how we cool ourselves may also help fix the climate. New research from the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory in California indicates that adding improved efficiency in refrigeration and phasing out fluorinated gases used for cooling, as mandated by international agreement, could eliminate a full degree Celsius of warming by 2100. Given that the “business as usual” trajectory leads to 4 to 5 degrees Celsius of warming, that is shaving off a pretty big slice.

nytimes.com

301
BeachDem  Jul 13, 2017 • 4:48:32pm

re: #239 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

It was truly painful.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jul 13, 2017 • 4:49:00pm

re: #288 wheat-dogg

I’ll soon find out. I shared an Apollo 16 photo of the far side of the Moon just now.

And you’ve made a friend.

303
jaunte  Jul 13, 2017 • 4:49:42pm

re: #296 wheat-dogg

I shudder to imagine what the DeVos family understands about celestial mechanics.

Image credit: Flat Earth Society
304
wheat-dogg  Jul 13, 2017 • 4:50:51pm

re: #302 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

And you’ve made a friend.

with a bot, I suspect

305
Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jul 13, 2017 • 4:51:50pm

re: #304 wheat-dogg

with a bot, I suspect

Or just a dumb, friendly person, which beats dumb aggressive people.

306
jaunte  Jul 13, 2017 • 4:53:03pm

Texas getting more Medieval on its own ass.

307
Decatur Deb  Jul 13, 2017 • 4:53:06pm

re: #300 Anymouse 🌹

nytimes.com

Here’s a valuable 21st Cent. airconditioning DIY tip: The new little window units do not drain condensate from a little weep hole. Throwing the condensate around the coils is part of the energy efficiency magic. The coils are VERY close to the skin of the unit, and a surgeon’s skill with a power drill would be needed to make a tiny hole to improve drainage.

Also: You can get a nice replacement unit (5000 btu) for only $129.

308
The Vicious Babushka  Jul 13, 2017 • 4:53:43pm

OMG!!!!! FREE ABORSHUNS PAID FOR BY YOU TEH TAX PAYER!!!!
This is the stupidest Fox News freakout you will see all day==>

309
HypnoToad  Jul 13, 2017 • 4:55:39pm

re: #297 Decatur Deb

It depends upon the Hate that moves the Sun and other stars.

I do public astronomy. One of the constants I hear from the general public, is absolute amazement at the fact that the earth (with them on it) is moving. I use a telescope without a motor drive to compensate for the earth’s rotation so they can see objects moving in the field of view. When people invariably say “I see it moving”, I explain that they are the ones doing most of the moving. AMAZEBALLS!

Then there are the ones that think NASA schedules the positions of everything in the sky…

310
Decatur Deb  Jul 13, 2017 • 4:57:08pm

re: #309 HypnoToad

I do public astronomy. One of the constants I hear from the general public, is absolute amazement at the fact that the earth (with them on it) is moving. I use a telescope without a motor drive to compensate for the earth’s rotation so they can see objects moving in the field of view. When people invariably say “I see it moving”, I explain that they are the ones doing most of the moving. AMAZEBALLS!

Then there are the ones that think NASA schedules the positions of everything in the sky…

Eppur, si muove

en.wikipedia.org

311
wheat-dogg  Jul 13, 2017 • 4:59:42pm

From the NYT transcript of Trump’s remarks:

On North Korea, China, and trade:

THE PRESIDENT: A big thing we have with China was, if they could help us with North Korea, that would be great. They have pressures that are tough pressures, and I understand. And you know, don’t forget, China, over the many years, has been at war with Korea — you know, wars with Korea. It’s not like, oh, gee, you just do whatever we say. They’ve had numerous wars with Korea.

They have an 8,000 year culture. So when they see 1776 — to them, that’s like a modern building. The White House was started — was essentially built in 1799. To us, that’s really old. To them, that’s like a super modern building, right? So, you know, they’ve had tremendous conflict over many, many centuries with Korea. So it’s not just like, you do this. But we’re going to find out what happens.

Completely ignorant, need I say it?

China’s last war with Korea was what we call the Korean War. Before that, it was when Japan occupied Korea (and later China). Any wars before that happened during the European Middle Ages, and involved China, Japan and Korea.

And the commonly accepted age of Chinese civilization is 5,000 years, even in China.

312
ObserverArt  Jul 13, 2017 • 5:00:31pm

re: #266 makeitstop

I do, however, insist upon live coverage on all networks.

Are you kidding? After what the media has done for the last two plus years it will be hard to find a TV Network not covering it. It will be on 24 hours with specials done for every network. The grungy side of things for Tru TV, Discovery doing reality shows around the staff. History doing comparisons to Watergate.

313
Anymouse 🌹  Jul 13, 2017 • 5:00:34pm

re: #290 The Vicious Babushka

I fired that over to my wife the ex-Libertarian for her viewing pleasure later. (We have never seen Game of Thrones, but she has seen plenty of Libertarian BS)

314
stpaulbear  Jul 13, 2017 • 5:01:22pm

re: #244 EPR-radar

Even if he’s impeached and convicted, they would have to physically drag him out of the white house.

I have no problem with this scenario, at all.

Jerry Lundegaard getting arrested at the end of Fargo

315
Anymouse 🌹  Jul 13, 2017 • 5:03:03pm

re: #307 Decatur Deb

Here’s a valuable 21st Cent. airconditioning DIY tip: The new little window units do not drain condensate from a little weep hole. Throwing the condensate around the coils is part of the energy efficiency magic. The coils are VERY close to the skin of the unit, and a surgeon’s skill with a power drill would be needed to make a tiny hole to improve drainage.

Also: You can get a nice replacement unit (5000 btu) for only $129.

Yup. I have a window unit like that which cost about $100 or so - it cools my whole house. (Depending on the humidity, we will alternate with an indoor swamp cooler.)

316
Decatur Deb  Jul 13, 2017 • 5:07:10pm

re: #315 Anymouse 🌹

Yup. I have a window unit like that which cost about $100 or so - it cools my whole house. (Depending on the humidity, we will alternate with an indoor swamp cooler.)

Our new, drill-free unit is just to cool an ancient 8X16 camping trailer, but without New Testament insulation and considering our 100 degree/95 humidity environment, that’s asking a lot.

Noisy little bugger.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 13, 2017 • 6:20:20pm

re: #311 wheat-dogg

From the NYT transcript of Trump’s remarks:

Completely ignorant, need I say it?

China’s last war with Korea was what we call the Korean War. Before that, it was when Japan occupied Korea (and later China). Any wars before that happened during the European Middle Ages, and involved China, Japan and Korea.

And the commonly accepted age of Chinese civilization is 5,000 years, even in China.

One thing a lot of people don’t get is that the North Koreans also have tremendous pride and aren’t always thrilled at being seen as China’s little brother or to be preached at by Beijing.


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Incredibles 2 Official Teaser Trailer The teaser trailer for "Incredibles 2" is here. Disney/Pixar's "Incredibles 2" opens in theatres in 3D June 15th, 2018. Everyone’s favorite family of superheroes is back in “Incredibles 2” – but this time Helen (voice of Holly Hunter) is ...
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Deadpool’s “Wet on Wet” Teaser After surviving a near fatal bovine attack, a disfigured cafeteria chef (Wade Wilson) struggles to fulfill his dream of becoming Mayberry’s hottest bartender while also learning to cope with his lost sense of taste. Searching to regain his spice ...
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Voice of America Reporter Outed as Alt-Right However, using information Fatzick himself posted on Reddit — including his age, girlfriend’s name, former employers, friends, location, educational background, and sports affiliations — this reporter was able to tie the vile posts of UncleSam4200 to the Voice of ...
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Gary Clark Jr - Come Together (Official Music Video) [From the Justice League Movie Soundtrack] Official Video for "Come Together" by Gary Clark Jr. featured in the Justice League Movie trailer. In theaters November 17th 2017.Directed by Kris Merc Get the song now at garyclarkjr.com Check out the Justice League soundtrack here: lnk.to Follow ...
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Kimbra - Top of the World (Official Music Video)New from Kimbra The new single Top of the World is available now on Apple Music, Spotify, Google Play, and more. Get the single here - kmbra.me The new studio album Primal Heart out wwide January 19th, 2018Preorder now - ...
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The Barr Brothers - Song That I Heard (Live on KEXP) kexp.org presents The Barr Brothers performing "Song That I Heard" live at Breakglass Studios during POP Montreal 2017. Recorded September 16, 2017. Audio Engineer: James BenjaminCameras: Jim Beckmann, Ian Cameron & Scott HolpainenEditor: Jim Beckmann kexp.orgpopmontreal.combreakglass.ca With support from ...
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Left Cries Foul, but Electoral College Prevents Tyranny of the Majority I'm speechless...this is what we have to fight against: Image: constitution-1486010_960_720.jpg Author: Paul Jenkins(Paul Jenkins is editor of the anchoragedailyplanet.com, a division of Porcaro Communications) The political left and its mouthpiece, The New York Times, are still fuming over ...
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