Trump Says Obamacare Has “Wreaked Havoc for 17 Years” … but CBS News Reports He Said “7 Years”

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Well, here’s something infuriating, and I’m not just talking about Trump’s usual moronic ranting this time. The Narcissist in Chief was clearly reading a speech that someone else wrote for him, and was too slow-witted to catch himself before blurting:

For the past 17 years, Obamacare has wreaked havoc on the lives of innocent, hard-working Americans.”

And the infuriating part? Along comes CBS News to “report” on this statement, and they clean it up for him before tweeting the quote.

This is one big reason why America is in such trouble. The media continually enable this egomaniacal dimwit. No one else would get a pass for such a ridiculous misstatement, and in fact every single slip-up by President Obama was front page news.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2017 • 1:18:56pm

Typical and yes they do enable him. It’s why he’s where he is today.

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jaunte  Jul 24, 2017 • 1:19:08pm

Are they going to wipe the spitup off his wee chin?

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jaunte  Jul 24, 2017 • 1:20:07pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2017 • 1:20:33pm

Hate to go OT so early but today is my 30th birthday. Had a nice Korean-Cajun fusion dinner with the family last night and I depart for Munich on Thursday with my youngest brother.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 24, 2017 • 1:20:50pm
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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2017 • 1:21:37pm

re: #5 FormerDirtDart

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Yep.

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Belafon  Jul 24, 2017 • 1:22:09pm

From the previous thread:

re: #167 FormerDirtDart

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KGxvi  Jul 24, 2017 • 1:22:27pm

re: #5 FormerDirtDart

How much overlap? And how soon before he’s back to the “that’s what you do, you have to buy them and keep them in your pocket” bullshit?

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ObserverArt  Jul 24, 2017 • 1:22:35pm

re: #4 HappyWarrior

Hate to go OT so early but today is my 30th birthday. Had a nice Korean-Cajun fusion dinner with the family last night and I depart for Munich on Thursday with my youngest brother.

Happy Happy…Happy!

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2017 • 1:22:45pm

re: #9 ObserverArt

Happy Happy…Happy!

Thanks man.

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nines09  Jul 24, 2017 • 1:23:41pm

Those people in the back are either hostages or just really damaged. Maybe both. But they are “real”. Yeah. I can smell the glue from here.

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KGxvi  Jul 24, 2017 • 1:26:29pm

re: #11 nines09

Those people in the back are either hostages or just really damaged. Maybe both. But they are “real”. Yeah. I can smell the glue from here.

Guests at the Pence Family Reunion?

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nines09  Jul 24, 2017 • 1:27:33pm

re: #12 KGxvi

They would not be there without Mikey. Bet my house on it.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 24, 2017 • 1:28:06pm
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KGxvi  Jul 24, 2017 • 1:28:26pm

re: #13 nines09

They would not be there without Mikey. Bet my house on it.

Is that the VP on the far left of the photo? Or just his life like wax figure?

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 24, 2017 • 1:28:42pm

re: #4 HappyWarrior

Hate to go OT so early but today is my 30th birthday. Had a nice Korean-Cajun fusion dinner with the family last night and I depart for Munich on Thursday with my youngest brother.

Happy B’Day HW!! Hope you are having a great one. I haven’t been 30 in decades. LOL.

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nines09  Jul 24, 2017 • 1:30:36pm

re: #15 KGxvi

Is that the VP on the far left of the photo? Or just his life like wax figure?

Neither you or I could tell without the muffled screams of his tortured soul emanating from his nostrils. Mommy calls it asthma….

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 24, 2017 • 1:31:42pm

Thwarted…

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 24, 2017 • 1:32:00pm

re: #7 Belafon

Good for NBC for not fixing his blatant error. Trump is now in the White House. His mistakes show that he either doesn’t know anything or is careless with his speech. Either of these is not good for someone in Trump’s exalted position.

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Semper Fi  Jul 24, 2017 • 1:32:25pm

re: #4 HappyWarrior

Hate to go OT so early but today is my 30th birthday. Had a nice Korean-Cajun fusion dinner with the family last night and I depart for Munich on Thursday with my youngest brother.

Korean-Cajun even sounds hot. Need lots of beer to cool that down.

Happy 30th

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jaunte  Jul 24, 2017 • 1:33:08pm

re: #18 FormerDirtDart

He looks like the ‘before’ Smeagol picture.

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2017 • 1:33:42pm

re: #20 Semper Fi

Korean-Cajun even sounds hot. Need lots of beer to cool that down.

Happy 30th

Thanks. It was quite good. Lots of different stuff that I wouldn’t have had normally. Neat story too. Husband is Korean-American and the wife Cajun-American. Fell in love and decided to open a restaurant based on their unique coupling.

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nines09  Jul 24, 2017 • 1:33:49pm

Revisiting some long ago songs…..

Chambers Brothers - Uptown

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HappyWarrior  Jul 24, 2017 • 1:33:56pm

re: #21 jaunte

He looks like the ‘before’ Smeagol picture.

Martin wants precious.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 24, 2017 • 1:34:26pm

re: #4 HappyWarrior

Hate to go OT so early but today is my 30th birthday. Had a nice Korean-Cajun fusion dinner with the family last night and I depart for Munich on Thursday with my youngest brother.

Congradumalashuns!

re: #1 HappyWarrior

Typical and yes they [the media] do enable him. It’s why he’s where he is today.

CBS CEO on Trump Campaign: It ‘May Not be Good for America, but It’s Damn Good for CBS’ - Les Moonves, Feb. 29, 2016

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MsJ  Jul 24, 2017 • 1:36:03pm

re: #21 jaunte

He looks like the ‘before’ Smeagol picture.

He looks like smegma.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 24, 2017 • 1:36:53pm

#ConnecticutMan and #HartfordMan teaming up to give #FloridaMan a run for his money…

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MsJ  Jul 24, 2017 • 1:37:21pm

Uhm…

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darthstar  Jul 24, 2017 • 1:40:15pm

re: #28 MsJ

Uhm…

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This is what happens when people are so wrapped up in their phones they never learn to masturbate.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 24, 2017 • 1:41:27pm

re: #4 HappyWarrior

Hate to go OT so early but today is my 30th birthday. Had a nice Korean-Cajun fusion dinner with the family last night and I depart for Munich on Thursday with my youngest brother.

Happy Birthday Warrior!

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austin_blue  Jul 24, 2017 • 1:43:05pm

re: #9 ObserverArt

Happy Happy…Happy!

I’ll second that.

I remember my thirtieth birthday. Well, actually, I don’t. It must have fallen into a pot hole.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 24, 2017 • 1:47:57pm

re: #4 HappyWarrior

Hate to go OT so early but today is my 30th birthday. Had a nice Korean-Cajun fusion dinner with the family last night and I depart for Munich on Thursday with my youngest brother.

Happy Birfday!!

Or as we sing in my family, trying to find a key all of us can sing, and all get started at the same time…, “Hap..hap..hap..hap…”

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Ace-o-aces  Jul 24, 2017 • 1:48:26pm
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nines09  Jul 24, 2017 • 1:48:34pm
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makeitstop  Jul 24, 2017 • 1:49:03pm

re: #4 HappyWarrior

Hate to go OT so early but today is my 30th birthday. Had a nice Korean-Cajun fusion dinner with the family last night and I depart for Munich on Thursday with my youngest brother.

Happy (Warrior) Birthday! Enjoy it, dude.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 24, 2017 • 1:49:46pm

re: #4 HappyWarrior

Hate to go OT so early but today is my 30th birthday. Had a nice Korean-Cajun fusion dinner with the family last night and I depart for Munich on Thursday with my youngest brother.

Happy birthday! Got my 36th coming up in a few weeks.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 24, 2017 • 1:50:58pm
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Sir John Barron  Jul 24, 2017 • 1:51:18pm

So Trump has hit the sauce early this week, I see.

/

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MsJ  Jul 24, 2017 • 1:51:22pm

re: #4 HappyWarrior

Hate to go OT so early but today is my 30th birthday. Had a nice Korean-Cajun fusion dinner with the family last night and I depart for Munich on Thursday with my youngest brother.

A very, very happy birthday, dear Happy! Enjoy your trip and we expect a full report when you return. Have a blast!

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Sir John Barron  Jul 24, 2017 • 1:51:41pm

re: #34 nines09

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Larger

Thank you very much for this. You rock!

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makeitstop  Jul 24, 2017 • 1:52:18pm

re: #23 nines09

Revisiting some long ago songs…..

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Ramones covered that, but it wasn’t as fonky.

Ramones - Time has come today.

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gocart mozart  Jul 24, 2017 • 1:52:44pm
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VegasGolfer  Jul 24, 2017 • 1:53:26pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

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How much you wanna bet that guy has called Obama the n-word?

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jul 24, 2017 • 1:54:58pm

re: #4 HappyWarrior

Hate to go OT so early but today is my 30th birthday. Had a nice Korean-Cajun fusion dinner with the family last night and I depart for Munich on Thursday with my youngest brother.

I don’t know if you drink, but if you do, have a stein in Munich and don’t forget to post a picture (of the bier).

Happy Warrior Day.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jul 24, 2017 • 1:55:45pm

re: #42 gocart mozart

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This. Wins. The. Internet. Forever.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 24, 2017 • 1:55:57pm
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jaunte  Jul 24, 2017 • 1:56:22pm

re: #33 Ace-o-aces

“… I see him there
Bringing a stone grasped firmly by the top
In each hand, like an old-stone savage armed.
He moves in darkness as it seems to me,
Not of woods only and the shade of trees
.”

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nines09  Jul 24, 2017 • 1:58:07pm

re: #40 Sir John Barron

Thank you very much for this. You rock!

Every once in awhile I think about all that. Well put together video. Great song. Crazy times. Like now. Again. And again…

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jaunte  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:00:31pm
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nines09  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:01:01pm

re: #40 Sir John Barron

Luang Prabang (Dave Van Ronk)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:02:10pm

re: #43 VegasGolfer

How much you wanna bet that guy has called Obama the n-word?

I never bet against a sure thing.

I used to hang out on an archery/bowhunting site’s political forum. One time I jokingly referred to Bush as ‘Chimpy McFlightsuit’, though in general I always called him ‘President Bush’ or just ‘Bush’. One of the Conservative posters said, “Come on, Doug, you’re better than that!”.

I thought, “Okay, that’s fair,” and avoided such derogatory epithets from then on.

Then Obama was elected. Those guys went nuts. It was like they were all trying to impress each other with who could come up with the most demeaning name for Obama. And of course, the guy who’d challenged me was one of the worst.

Democrats are supposed to respect Republican Presidents, but Republicans are not expected to reciprocate.

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jaunte  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:04:27pm

re: #51 Blind Frog Belly White

Republican legislators in Texas are so brainwashed they rarely describe the opposition party by its proper name, constantly going for the “Democrat Party” shortcut.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:05:09pm

re: #4 HappyWarrior

Hate to go OT so early but today is my 30th birthday. Had a nice Korean-Cajun fusion dinner with the family last night and I depart for Munich on Thursday with my youngest brother.

Wishing you a terrific day and a wonderful year!! (As wonderful as it can be with the deplorables running the government)

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steve_davis  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:05:56pm

re: #33 Ace-o-aces

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every time i teach poetry, there’s “the road not taken.” and there are one hundred percent of my students who read the poem and believe it shows that taking the hard road will result in one having the best life.

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jaunte  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:06:28pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:06:48pm

It’s raining Russians in New York:

Donald Trump Jr.’s controversial meeting with a Russian lawyer in June 2016 was attended by a California businessman born in the former Soviet republic of Georgia, according to two people familiar with the meeting.

Irakly “Ike” Kaveladze, a 52-year-old businessman from Huntington Beach, was the eighth individual at the controversial meeting, The Times has learned. His identity had not previously been revealed.

Kaveladze was asked to attend the meeting at Trump Tower by Aras Agalarov, a billionaire Azerbaijani real estate developer who once planned to build a hotel in Moscow with Donald Trump, according to his Kaveladze’s lawyer, Scott Balber.

Neither the White House nor Trump Jr. previously had revealed Kaveladze’s presence at the meeting, despite repeated public statements about it.

More at The Los Angeles Times

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gocart mozart  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:06:58pm

Interesting exchange from 2010

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:07:03pm

re: #52 jaunte

Republican legislators in Texas are so brainwashed they rarely describe the opposition party by its proper name, constantly going for the “Democrat Party” shortcut.

My guess is that every Republican official in this country now uses that term.

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retired cynic  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:08:11pm

I have forgotten who offered the email address for Tom Price, but I sent him a few of my thoughts, profanity removed.

Dear Secretary Price,

It is appalling to me the duplicitous way the administration is going about trying to sabotage health care for American citizens. Your job is not to take our care away. It is not to lie about the damage you are trying to do. It is not to disparage the CBO, which has been a well-regarded and vital part of our legislative branch for over forty years.

I am disgusted with the whole darned lot of you.

Sincerely,

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Charles Johnson  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:10:11pm

Uh oh, journalists are getting all lecture-y again.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:11:28pm

There’s just something so wrong about a potentially terminally ill man desperately needing to vote to kick people off their health insurance.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:11:38pm

How long will it take for someone to debunk that none of these families have been adversely affected by the ACA? Set an egg-timer.

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Danack  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:11:39pm

re: #29 darthstar

This is what happens when people are so wrapped up in their phones they never learn to masturbate.

So, someone’s never heard of Pokemon themed yiffing.

/brb, need a shower.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:11:59pm

re: #60 Charles Johnson

Uh oh, journalists are getting all lecture-y again.

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She sounds concerned. Clearly, us making fun of the 17 year thing is why Trump won.
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:12:18pm

re: #63 Danack

So, someone’s never heard of Pokemon themed yiffing.

/brb, need a shower.

Yeesh.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:12:49pm

re: #52 jaunte

Republican legislators in Texas are so brainwashed they rarely describe the opposition party by its proper name, constantly going for the “Democrat Party” shortcut.

According to NPR, the phrase “Democrat Party” was first used by Republican presidential candidate Thomas Dewey in 1940.

William Safire noted a Republican chair then regularly started using the term in 1955. He remarked that the Democratic Party does not represent the great mass of the people, therefore the term “Democratic” doesn’t apply.

George W. Bush also frequently referred to the “Democrat Party.”

NPR wrote the article because a listener on a Georgia NPR station was miffed Andrea Seabrook referred to “Democrat lawmakers” in a national broadcast. (Details at the link)

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nines09  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:14:40pm

re: #41 makeitstop

Too processed….For my taste. BUT…Kids need to know where and whence it came from. Always liked the Ramones. At the end they played real small rooms. Like the ones my hack cover band plays. But you have to get from point A to point B making gas money… They really had a sad ending. Some of the best sounds come from tortured souls…

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wrenchwench  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:14:58pm
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jaunte  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:15:38pm

re: #66 Anymouse 🌹

The slur has been a slur for a long time.

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ObserverArt  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:16:11pm

re: #57 gocart mozart

Interesting exchange from 2010

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See, when you have a President that can explain things like Obama did in this instance you don’t need to hire slick spokespeople like Scaramucci to somehow put right the insane crap that comes from your lips.

And again…do we miss this kind of President or what???

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wrenchwench  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:18:12pm

re: #67 nines09

Too processed….For my taste. BUT…Kids need to know where and whence it came from. Always liked the Ramones. At the end they played real small rooms. Like the ones my hack cover band plays. But you have to get from point A to point B making gas money… They really had a sad ending. Some of the best sounds come from tortured souls…

When I first saw them, Dee Dee had to stop playing his guitar every time he sang. He got better…

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ObserverArt  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:18:29pm

re: #59 retired cynic

I have forgotten who offered the email address for Tom Price, but I sent him a few of my thoughts, profanity removed.

Dear Secretary Price,

It is appalling to me the duplicitous way the administration is going about trying to sabotage health care for American citizens. Your job is not to take our care away. It is not to lie about the damage you are trying to do. It is not to disparage the CBO, which has been a well-regarded and vital part of our legislative branch for over forty years.

I am disgusted with the whole darned lot of you.

Sincerely,

Me! And thanks for writing him. I hope others will too. My email was very similar, only even more digs at him and the party. That man makes my blood boil.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:18:48pm

re: #60 Charles Johnson

As an aside, I’d comment that while there’s plenty of substance to discuss WRT healthcare, 1) Trump is not able to discuss it at any level of complexity*, and 2) given that even the Senate GOP has no idea what bill they’re voting for the MTP on tomorrow, what substance is there to discuss?

*And I mean ANY level of complexity. The man literally mistakes health insurance for that cheapo life insurance policies they used to sell in My Weekly Reader!

“Because you are basically saying from the moment the insurance, you’re 21 years old, you start working and you’re paying $12 a year for insurance, and by the time you’re 70, you get a nice plan,”

This is the guy who’s pushing the Congress to repeal and replace, and he has LITERALLY NO IDEA WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT!!!!

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ericblair  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:19:30pm

re: #60 Charles Johnson

Uh oh, journalists are getting all lecture-y again.

We all remember “57 states!” Like the goopers let Obama off the hook for that one.

Fuck unilateral disarmament. The Republicans are authoritarians. Any compromise or willingness to meet them halfway is taken as a sign of weakness and exploited. They certainly never let up.

Every fuckup every day, let them have it. It wears them down. It worked when they did it to us, and moreover we don’t need to lie. Peel off anyone with a half functioning brain, and when we take power back tell the rest to bend the knee. That’s all the rest of them understand.

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retired cynic  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:19:31pm

re: #72 ObserverArt

Me! And thanks for writing him. I hope others will too. My email was very similar, only even more digs at him and the party. That man makes my blood boil.

I thought it was you! Thanks for the link. I am boiling, too.

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ObserverArt  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:19:52pm

re: #60 Charles Johnson

Uh oh, journalists are getting all lecture-y again.

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Oh yeah. Where were they to lecture America in why Trump was unfit to be President?

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Charles Johnson  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:20:42pm

If you watch the video above, Trump showed absolutely no sign that he realized he’d just made a ridiculous mistake. Yes, it absolutely is valid news to report it when the president of the US appears to have no fucking idea what he’s talking about.

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BeachDem  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:21:19pm

re: #4 HappyWarrior

Hate to go OT so early but today is my 30th birthday. Had a nice Korean-Cajun fusion dinner with the family last night and I depart for Munich on Thursday with my youngest brother.

Happy. Happy. Happy. 30 is the new 20, so have a ball!!

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jaunte  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:23:56pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:24:18pm

re: #60 Charles Johnson

Guys, there’s plenty of substance to debate on health care. The snark on the “17 year” slip up is why people think media is slanted.

It is as irrelevant as Obama’s “57 states”. And it does distract from the fact that GOP health care policies are Death, not ACA.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:24:19pm

re: #78 BeachDem

Happy. Happy. Happy. 30 is the new 20, so have a ball!!

I told a friend whose birthday is also today that my experience is that 59 is the new 58.

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Jebediah, RBG  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:25:29pm
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nines09  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:26:38pm

re: #71 wrenchwench

They had large problems later. Killed a few…..

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wrenchwench  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:26:47pm

re: #81 Blind Frog Belly White

I told a friend whose birthday is also today that my experience is that 59 is the new 58.

Next January, I enter my extremely late 50s (60).

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:27:57pm

I was trying to figure out how any journalist could be so ridiculously Both-Sides-ist as this, so I looked up who he is… “Republican Strategist”

Makes sense now. He can’t possibly say anything bad about Republicans without it being equally true of the Democrats, so for him this probably amounts to a scathing attack on his own party, but Holy Mother Of God! the sheer amount of twisting and false equivalence is breathtaking as well as nauseating.

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makeitstop  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:28:39pm

re: #67 nines09

Too processed….For my taste. BUT…Kids need to know where and whence it came from. Always liked the Ramones. At the end they played real small rooms. Like the ones my hack cover band plays. But you have to get from point A to point B making gas money… They really had a sad ending. Some of the best sounds come from tortured souls…

Yeah, not really one of my favorite tunes by them. I prefer their originals, with the exception being ‘California Sun.’

I did a few dates with them back in ‘81 - ‘82. Joey was a sweet guy. Johnny, on the other hand - hands down the crabbiest rock star I’ve ever met, although he probably would have cringed at being called that.

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wrenchwench  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:29:09pm

re: #83 nines09

They have large problems later. Killed a few…..

Joey was heading down that road very early on…but he looked like he was having fun doing it.

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nines09  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:29:12pm

re: #84 wrenchwench

70 is the new child. You wet your pants, fall down, cry for mommy and call for another glass of iced tea……..

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wrenchwench  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:33:58pm

re: #88 nines09

70 is the new child. You wet your pants, fall down, cry for mommy and call for another glass of iced tea……..

This is the point where I work on my inhibition and do not post about my age difference with Mr. w…

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nines09  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:34:50pm

re: #87 wrenchwench

Joey was heading down that road very early on…but he looked like he was having fun doing it.

That was heavy fuel days. I had far too many friends who said that snake would never bite them…

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:34:57pm

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Dr. Matt  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:36:14pm

Hugh Hewitt is embracing Trumpism/Retardism:

HUGH HEWITT: It depends on what you define as “benefitted” from Medicaid. There are a lot of people — and I was a local health administration for a number of years — who believe that Medicaid is paper insurance that isn’t actually health care. It does work for a lot of people, it doesn’t do anything for many people.

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wrenchwench  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:37:16pm
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EPR-radar  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:37:19pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

I make a special point of giving tr*mp every bit of respect he deserves as president.

I.e., None at all.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:37:43pm

My niece was showing off her elaborate tattoo on FB - flowers and birds and stuff all down the INSIDE of her left arm. Not big on tats, myself, but ‘de gustibus’ and all that.

At the wrist, in cursive, it says ‘live fearless’, but what with the curlicue on the “L” and the fact that you can’t see the ‘f’, it looks like it says, ‘Olive Earless’, which I think would be a great name for a fictional green turtle.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:39:08pm

re: #80 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is as irrelevant as Obama’s “57 states”. And it does distract from the fact that GOP health care policies are Death, not ACA.

Nope, but not for that reason. (Trump trying to pin “failure” of the ACA on Bill Clinton.)

CBS is lying for Trump. The press lying to the people is far more serious than the President doing it. It is the job of the press to present facts, not lie.

That is what matters here. (Secondarily, Trump forgetting things and having to be led around by others might be indicative of inability to carry out the duties of his job.)

As I noted in the previous thread about this:

re: #152 Anymouse 🌹

That’s straight up lying for him. In editing, brackets are to put in [clarifying] information, not correct what was said.

CBS is intentionally misusing grammatical tools to make it appear the words seven years were left out or needed clarification.

As their president said, they didn’t know if Trump would be good for America but he would be damn good for CBS.

It should read (editing hat on):

“For the past seventeen years, Obamacare has wreaked havoc on the lives of innocent, hard-working Americans,” Trump says [the act has only been in force for seven years]

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Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:39:52pm

Paging Shiplord Kirel…

Congressman: If female GOP senators were South Texas men, I’d challenge them to a duel

texastribune.org

(Repeated under the CL Rule.)

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:39:58pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:40:12pm

re: #92 Dr. Matt

Hugh Hewitt is embracing Trumpism/Retardism:

What the fuck is ‘paper insurance’?

You go to a doctor, you get treated, Medicaid pays for it, because you need healthcare but aren’t well paid. What is this ‘paper’ shit?

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Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:41:13pm

re: #99 Blind Frog Belly White

What the fuck is ‘paper insurance’?

You go to a doctor, you get treated, Medicaid pays for it, because you need healthcare but aren’t well paid. What is this ‘paper’ shit?

It’s used on the first anniversary of your arrival in the emergency room.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:41:20pm

re: #98 FormerDirtDart

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Because of Chelsea’s position as Senior Adviser to the Secretary of State, presumably?
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nines09  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:43:40pm

re: #89 wrenchwench

This is the point where I work on my inhibition and do not post about my age difference with Mr. w…

Let them eat their hearts out.

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Romantic Heretic  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:44:56pm

re: #4 HappyWarrior

Happy Birthday.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:45:55pm

re: #92 Dr. Matt

Hugh Hewitt is embracing Trumpism/[redacted]:

HUGH HEWITT: It depends on what you define as “benefitted” from Medicaid. There are a lot of people — and I was a local health administration for a number of years — who believe that Medicaid is paper insurance that isn’t actually health care. It does work for a lot of people, it doesn’t do anything for many people.

Duh. Insurance isn’t healthcare. Aetna is paper insurance that isn’t actually healthcare. It does work for a lot of people, it doesn’t do anything for many people (the ones without Aetna insurance).

Easy fix here Mr. Hewitt: Medicare-for-all. Get insurance companies out of skimming profit from vital healthcare, done.

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BeachDem  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:45:59pm

re: #92 Dr. Matt

Hugh Hewitt is embracing Trumpism/Retardism:

I was a local health administration for a number of years

Um, I just read his entire wiki page and could find nothing about this supposed period as a “local health administration” in it. Nothing even close.

(Great get, MSNBC)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:46:00pm
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nines09  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:46:30pm

re: #4 HappyWarrior

Hate to go OT so early but today is my 30th birthday. Had a nice Korean-Cajun fusion dinner with the family last night and I depart for Munich on Thursday with my youngest brother.

30th birthday……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………..you puppy….

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Targetpractice  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:48:41pm

re: #92 Dr. Matt

Hugh Hewitt is embracing Trumpism/Retardism:

Then here’s a hell of a thought, Hugh: Have the government reimburse hospitals directly for all healthcare. You go to a hospital, you get care, the hospital bills the government for your care, and the government cuts them a check. Much simpler than carrying around an insurance card and then finding out that that bypass surgery you need isn’t covered, isn’t it?

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Jebediah, RBG  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:48:50pm

re: #107 nines09

30th birthday……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………..you puppy….

If I could go back to 30 knowing what I know now….I’d probably still make the same mistakes.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:49:38pm
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makeitstop  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:51:42pm

re: #109 Jebediah, RBG

If I could go back to 30 knowing what I know now….I’d probably still make the same mistakes.

Hell, a lot of the mistakes were the good bits!

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nines09  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:52:19pm

re: #109 Jebediah, RBG

If I could go back to 30 knowing what I know now….I’d probably still make the same mistakes.

If I had an iPhone at age 17……………………………..I would be either famous or rich or both.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:52:24pm
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Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:52:48pm

re: #111 makeitstop

Hell, a lot of the mistakes were the good bits!

Until you’re 75, you don’t even know if it was a mistake.

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Targetpractice  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:53:26pm

re: #110 Blind Frog Belly White

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“John, we’re really sorry that you may have only a few months to live…but we need you to come into the office so we can rob the country blind. Can you do that for us?”

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nines09  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:53:32pm

re: #114 Decatur Deb

Until you’re 75, you don’t even know if it was a mistake.

You look at the scar and relive the good times…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:53:38pm

re: #112 nines09

If I had an iPhone at age 17……………………………..I would be either famous or rich or both.

If I had an iPhone at age 17, it would have been a useless chunk of metal.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:53:50pm
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Timothy Watson  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:53:58pm

re: #110 Blind Frog Belly White

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And McCain has no problem doing that either apparently.

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jaunte  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:53:59pm
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Romantic Heretic  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:54:11pm

re: #52 jaunte

Republican legislators in Texas are so brainwashed they rarely describe the opposition party by its proper name, constantly going for the “Democrat Party” shortcut.

re: #58 Hecuba’s daughter

My guess is that every Republican official in this country now uses that term.

We should reciprocate and call them the “Aristocrat Party.”

Men by their constitutions are naturally divided into two parties: 1. Those who fear and distrust the people, and wish to draw all powers from them into the hands of the higher classes. 2. Those who identify themselves with the people, have confidence in them, cherish and consider them as the most honest and safe, although not the most wise depositary of the public interests. In every country these two parties exist, and in every one where they are free to think, speak, and write, they will declare themselves. Call them, therefore, liberals and serviles, Jacobins and Ultras, whigs and tories, republicans and federalists, aristocrats and democrats, or by whatever name you please, they are the same parties still and pursue the same object. The last appellation of aristocrats and democrats is the true one expressing the essence of all.

• Thomas Jefferson Letter to Henry Lee (10 August 1824).

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:54:25pm

Phoney doctor and sov-cit kills himself in jail.
lasvegasnow.com

LAS VEGAS - The man accused of illegally practicing medicine out of his home has killed himself at the Clark County Detention Center.

BACKSTORY: Anonymous tips led to raid of valley home

Rick Van Thiel took his life by hanging himself, according to the Clark County Coroner’s Office. The Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department also confirms the death which happened Friday night.

BACKSTORY: ‘Phony’ doctor faces possible murder charges

Authorities say Van Thiel practiced unlicensed medicine at his Las Vegas home as well as ran an escort service and other shady business transactions.

BACKSTORY: Former patient of ‘phony doctor’ speaks out

Police arrested Van Thiel in September of 2015. Van Thiel’s was set to face trial in January 2018. He faced 30 charges including practicing medicine without a license and sexual assault. (backstory articles at the link above)

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nines09  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:54:32pm

re: #117 Blind Frog Belly White

Fill in the blanks…

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Jebediah, RBG  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:54:44pm

re: #111 makeitstop

Hell, a lot of the mistakes were the good bits!

Good point!

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Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:55:00pm

re: #112 nines09

If I had an iPhone at age 17……………………………..I would be either famous or rich or both.

Probably didn’t make a phone call at age 17. If I did, it was after getting permission to use the school phonebooth, the one with the stained glass window.

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jaunte  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:55:18pm

re: #121 Romantic Heretic

“Serviles” is good for the Trump administration.

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makeitstop  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:55:24pm

re: #120 jaunte

GOPer Richard Burr on not knowing specifics of healthcare motion to proceed vote: “It doesn’t concern me. As I said, I’ll vote for anything”

Fine. Single payer it is, then.

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No Depression  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:56:00pm

re: #113 Blind Frog Belly White

Republicans have to obfuscate on health care legislation, because any specific, clearly identified bill would probably fail.

In a rational country, a vague, fuzzily defined bill like this wealthcare bill would fail as well.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:56:35pm

re: #122 Anymouse 🌹

What did he know about Hillary and Benghazi?! /

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:57:05pm

How come those committees won’t investigate the Clintons?!

Well maybe because none of the Clintons hold high positions in the U.S. Government right now…

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nines09  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:57:27pm

re: #125 Decatur Deb

Had not that problem. I actually had a classmate who ground down pennies to make 10 cent blanks for phone calls. Cost effective? No. Fuck the man? Yep.

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Amory Blaine  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:57:44pm

re: #4 HappyWarrior

Happy birthday HappyWarrior!

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Timothy Watson  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:58:34pm

re: #4 HappyWarrior

Hate to go OT so early but today is my 30th birthday. Had a nice Korean-Cajun fusion dinner with the family last night and I depart for Munich on Thursday with my youngest brother.

Happy birthday! I would tease you about hitting the big 3-0, but I’ll be in the same boat come December.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:58:46pm

re: #125 Decatur Deb

Probably didn’t make a phone call at age 17. If I did, it was after getting permission to use the school phonebooth, the one with the stained glass window.

We had a payphone, but if you dialed the number and shouted into it, they could hear you without you having to pay. It was used by everyone who played a sport or did any other after school activity to let our parents know to come pick us up.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 24, 2017 • 2:59:44pm

re: #122 Anymouse 🌹

Phoney doctor and sov-cit kills himself in jail.
lasvegasnow.com

LAS VEGAS - The man accused of illegally practicing medicine out of his home has killed himself at the Clark County Detention Center.

BACKSTORY: Anonymous tips led to raid of valley home

Rick Van Thiel took his life by hanging himself, according to the Clark County Coroner’s Office. The Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department also confirms the death which happened Friday night.

BACKSTORY: ‘Phony’ doctor faces possible murder charges

Authorities say Van Thiel practiced unlicensed medicine at his Las Vegas home as well as ran an escort service and other shady business transactions.

BACKSTORY: Former patient of ‘phony doctor’ speaks out

Police arrested Van Thiel in September of 2015. Van Thiel’s was set to face trial in January 2018. He faced 30 charges including practicing medicine without a license and sexual assault. (backstory articles at the link above)

JJ is on it…

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 24, 2017 • 3:01:12pm

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Targetpractice  Jul 24, 2017 • 3:01:30pm

re: #120 jaunte

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In a just world, the press would be savaging the GOP for their hypocrisy after 7 years of lambasting the DNC for the BS over “nobody knowing” what was in the ACA.

But we don’t live in that world, so we watch as the press acts surprised that the GOP is saying they haven’t a fucking clue what they’re voting on, but they’re prepared to vote for it.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2017 • 3:02:22pm

re: #134 Blind Frog Belly White

We had a payphone, but if you dialed the number and shouted into it, they could hear you without you having to pay. It was used by everyone who played a sport or did any other after school activity to let our parents know to come pick us up.

Our phonebooth wasn’t a payphone, just a housephone connected to the school switchboard. Used it about 3 times in 5 years, mainly to arrange an escape.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 24, 2017 • 3:02:37pm

You know what this is? It’s the GOP playing a legislative Shell Game. We all have no clue what’s under any of the shells but ultimately we’re screwed no matter what.

This an open view con set to fuck over a good portion of the country. The GOP doesn’t care who gets screwed they just want to be able to gloat that they “killed Obamacare.”

As I’ve said before it amazes me how much hostility this government has shown against its own people.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 24, 2017 • 3:03:22pm

re: #135 FormerDirtDart

JJ is on it…

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I think it’s not just desperate. It’s broke AND desperate.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2017 • 3:04:32pm

re: #140 Eclectic Cyborg

I think it’s not just desperate. It’s broke AND desperate.

On the upside, he probably accepted PoultryCare.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 24, 2017 • 3:04:33pm

re: #137 Targetpractice

In a just world, the press would be savaging the GOP for their hypocrisy after 7 years of lambasting the DNC for the BS over “nobody knowing” what was in the ACA.

But we don’t live in that world, so we watch as the press acts surprised that the GOP is saying they haven’t a fucking clue what they’re voting on, but they’re prepared to vote for it.

And that’s also why you have CBS lying for Trump on the number of years the ACA has been in force.

When media outlets were owned by scores of different individuals and companies, there was real competition to get things right, and an outlet rose or fell on that.

With corporate consolidation into just a few media groups, there is effectively no competition. Now the job is not to deliver news, but seek the most favourable position for the corporation in the guise of news.

Scotching Net Neutrality will only make that worse.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Jul 24, 2017 • 3:04:56pm

Bachmann, the grift that keeps right on grifting:

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 24, 2017 • 3:05:39pm

re: #4 HappyWarrior

Hate to go OT so early but today is my 30th birthday. Had a nice Korean-Cajun fusion dinner with the family last night and I depart for Munich on Thursday with my youngest brother.

PROPS to You! Have a HAPPY Day!!!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 24, 2017 • 3:06:49pm

America First!

Millionaires First!

Russian Millionaires First!

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 24, 2017 • 3:06:59pm

re: #140 Eclectic Cyborg

I think it’s not just desperate. It’s broke AND desperate.

I think there’s a lot of delusional mixed in there too

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Romantic Heretic  Jul 24, 2017 • 3:07:45pm

re: #106 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s a strange world when David Frum makes me laugh.

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EPR-radar  Jul 24, 2017 • 3:08:21pm

re: #142 Anymouse 🌹

And that’s also why you have CBS lying for Trump on the number of years the ACA has been in force.

When media outlets were owned by scores of different individuals and companies, there was real competition to get things right, and an outlet rose or fell on that.

With corporate consolidation into just a few media groups, there is effectively no competition. Now the job is not to deliver news, but seek the most favourable position for the corporation in the guise of news.

Scotching Net Neutrality will only make that worse.

The plan is obviously for the second gilded age to not be bothered by muckraking journalists. Consolidating media ownership prior to implementing the worst abuses is way too likely to succeed.

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Jebediah, RBG  Jul 24, 2017 • 3:09:02pm

re: #131 nines09

Had not that problem. I actually had a classmate who ground down pennies to make 10 cent blanks for phone calls. Cost effective? No. Fuck the man? Yep.

When I was a motorcycle courier we would do that for the parking meters. A properly prepared penny would max out the meter - not bad for several seconds of grinding it against the pavement.
Gol-durn “progress” - now the meters take cards and the penny trick doesn’t work.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 24, 2017 • 3:09:05pm

re: #120 jaunte

I called Murkowski’s office

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nines09  Jul 24, 2017 • 3:09:47pm

What I did on the road for 20 years and obscene phone rates. I would contact operator to make a collect call. Operator would call party with me still online, open. Operator would ask me to identify myself. I would scream “I’m OK, see you tonight” or such, and the operator would close the call and hang up. No fee. No charge. No muss. No fuss.
Back in the day…

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jaunte  Jul 24, 2017 • 3:12:19pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 24, 2017 • 3:12:49pm

re: #139 Eclectic Cyborg

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You know what this is? It’s the GOP playing legislative Shell Game. We all have no clue what’s under any of the shells but ultimately we’re screwed no matter what.

This an open view con set to fuck over a good portion of the country. The GOP doesn’t care who gets screwed they just want to be able to gloat that they “killed Obamacare.”

As I’ve said before it amazes me how much hostility this government has shown against its own people.

I do not see how we as a country can survive as a functioning democracy after this shit. Seriously. The wholesale abandonment of any democratic norms, any rules, even any laws, all for what? So they can undo what That Black Guy did?

Trump DOES NOT CARE, not in the slightest, what’s in the bill. He doesn’t care whether it abolishes Medicaid and Medicare, or extends both programs to everyone. Either way, and anything in between would be fine with him, as long as he gets to sign The Bill That Killed Obama’s Legacy.

McConnell, who complained bitterly about every rule change Reid was forced into by McConnell’s intransigence, is now running roughshod over every rule, every norm, every thing JUST TO GET A VOTE.

The same people who point to Pelosi’s ‘have to pass it to see what’s in it’ are about to vote on a Motion To Proceed on a bill that doesn’t even exist!

And even the anti-Trumpers on the Right will do no more than ‘tsk, tsk’.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 24, 2017 • 3:13:06pm

re: #111 makeitstop

Hell, a lot of the mistakes were the good bits!

I should have made better mistakes.

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Targetpractice  Jul 24, 2017 • 3:13:31pm

re: #152 jaunte

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The only time wingnuts want to hear from nuns is when they can use them as a weapon against birth control.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 24, 2017 • 3:13:36pm

re: #143 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Bachmann, the grift that keeps right on grifting:

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As I’ve posted before—That asshole’s real God is Ayn Rand!

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makeitstop  Jul 24, 2017 • 3:14:43pm

re: #154 Barefoot Grin

I should have made better mistakes.

Some, I wouldn’t make again.

Some others - sign me the hell up!

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Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2017 • 3:14:58pm

re: #152 jaunte

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Note that’s the “Nuns On The Bus”. Scurrilous lot.

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piratedan  Jul 24, 2017 • 3:17:21pm

just sitting here taking in that Burr comment…

I’ll sign anything!

really Senator?

How about we sneak in an amendment to castrate you and sell your wife into slavery in Somalia?

It’s not like you’re gonna read it right?

As long as its being defined as a GOP win, really doesn’t matter what’s in it, right?

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 24, 2017 • 3:18:01pm

re: #64 Blind Frog Belly White

She sounds concerned. Clearly, us making fun of the 17 year thing is why Trump won.
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I really think we should give Trump a pass on this error — people who actually are experts make these kinds of slip-ups all the time when talking. It’s a distraction to focus on this minutiae instead of the actual harm he and the GOP are doing to our country.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2017 • 3:18:11pm

re: #159 piratedan

just sitting here taking in that Burr comment…

I’ll sign anything!

really Senator?

How about we sneak in an amendment to castrate you and sell your wife into slavery in Somalia?

It’s not like you’re gonna read it right?

As long as its being defined as a GOP win, really doesn’t matter what’s in it right?

He’d have to consult the caucus on that.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 24, 2017 • 3:19:38pm

re: #140 Eclectic Cyborg

I think it’s not just desperate. It’s broke AND desperate.

But, you know, in the Libertarian Utopia, everyone will be able to shop around when their appendix bursts.

- Decide which doctor and hospital provide the best combination of price and not smelling like an abattoir.

- Hold out just a little longer to get a lower price - “This fever? That’s nothing! I did 105 that time I was negotiating to have my tonsils out!

- Choose your own drugs, without the FDA sticking its nose into your business, worrying about silly shit like ‘Safety’ and ‘Efficacy’!

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Jul 24, 2017 • 3:19:47pm

re: #97 Decatur Deb

Paging Shiplord Kirel…

Congressman: If female GOP senators were South Texas men, I’d challenge them to a duel

texastribune.org

(Repeated under the CL Rule.)

As always with RWNJs, he issues a blood curdling challenge only because he knows he won’t have to back it up.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2017 • 3:21:43pm

re: #163 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

As always with RWNJs, he issues a blood curdling challenge only because he knows he won’t have to back it up.

Betting Murkowski would just buttstroke his ass. And not in the good way.

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JordanRules  Jul 24, 2017 • 3:23:14pm

re: #4 HappyWarrior

Happy Born Day Happy Warrior!! That meal sounds amazing.

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jaunte  Jul 24, 2017 • 3:23:17pm

re: #163 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

And without any awareness of just how stupid it makes him sound.

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ObserverArt  Jul 24, 2017 • 3:24:03pm

re: #159 piratedan

just sitting here taking in that Burr comment…

I’ll sign anything!

really Senator?

How about we sneak in an amendment to castrate you and sell your wife into slavery in Somalia?

It’s not like you’re gonna read it right?

As long as its being defined as a GOP win, really doesn’t matter what’s in it, right?

And you know what would be said by Burr if questioned about the comment?

“Oh come on, can’t a Senator make a damn joke. You liberals take yourselves way too seriously. My staff keeps me apprised of what all is in the bill. I was just expressing my disappointment it has taken this long to get great healthcare to the American people.”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 24, 2017 • 3:26:27pm

Because of course they do. Reality can’t compete with their Randian dreams.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2017 • 3:27:52pm

re: #168 Blind Frog Belly White

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Because of course they do. Reality can’t compete with their Randian dreams.

There’s no math in the Constitution!!1!

(Not much, maybe a few fractions.)

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Targetpractice  Jul 24, 2017 • 3:28:41pm

re: #168 Blind Frog Belly White

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Because of course they do. Reality can’t compete with their Randian dreams.

They want to replace their analysis with those of “think tanks.” In other words, they want the CBO to be a clearinghouse for the work of outfits like Heritage who take the party’s goat piss and try to sell it as gasoline.

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jaunte  Jul 24, 2017 • 3:30:39pm
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Nyet  Jul 24, 2017 • 3:31:06pm

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 24, 2017 • 3:33:13pm

re: #172 Nyet

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A dark and stormy covfefe  Jul 24, 2017 • 3:33:19pm
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Targetpractice  Jul 24, 2017 • 3:33:28pm

CBO: “This bill cannot work as its currently written without causing a whole lot of grief and suffering.”

GOP: “The problem is not the bill, the problem is the CBO isn’t spinning the numbers in our favor!!!”

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Stanley Sea  Jul 24, 2017 • 3:34:44pm

re: #171 jaunte

Fabulous site mcmansionhell.com

Thanks!

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Jack Burton  Jul 24, 2017 • 3:34:44pm

re: #172 Nyet

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BeachDem  Jul 24, 2017 • 3:35:59pm

re: #160 Hecuba’s daughter

I really think we should give Trump a pass on this error — people who actually are experts make these kinds of slip-ups all the time when talking. It’s a distraction to focus on this minutiae instead of the actual harm he and the GOP are doing to our country.

I think it’s not so much that he made the error, but that CBS cleaned it up for their tweet quote. They could have used any other part of his incoherent rant, but chose to misquote him and clean up after him instead.

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No Depression  Jul 24, 2017 • 3:37:17pm

re: #171 jaunte

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Why? Just….why?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 24, 2017 • 3:38:36pm

re: #179 No Depression

Why? Just….why?

Taste is overrated.

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jaunte  Jul 24, 2017 • 3:39:21pm

re: #179 No Depression

“For the price of an architect you could have 46 more windows!”

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Targetpractice  Jul 24, 2017 • 3:39:59pm

re: #171 jaunte

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MsJ  Jul 24, 2017 • 3:40:44pm

re: #85 Blind Frog Belly White

I was trying to figure out how any journalist could be so ridiculously Both-Sides-ist as this, so I looked up who he is… “Republican Strategist”

Makes sense now. He can’t possibly say anything bad about Republicans without it being equally true of the Democrats, so for him this probably amounts to a scathing attack on his own party, but Holy Mother Of God! the sheer amount of twisting and false equivalence is breathtaking as well as nauseating.

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Fuck that guy.

Take Senator Bernie Sanders. Though not a Democrat, he is the de facto leader of the Democratic Party. Sanders, an avowed socialist and registered independent, and his wife are under FBI investigation. The Senator himself has called the investigation politically motivated, as the tip that led to the investigation came from a prominent Vermont Trump supporter. Despite the fact that the modern FBI does not launch investigations due to political spite, Sanders and his supporters all discount that the tip was credible. They dismiss it as “fake news,” as well as part of a plot against them perpetrated by corporations and billionaires. It does not take PolitiFact for someone to know that such a belief is bonkers and patently false. Were Sanders a Republican, his defenders would be singing a different tune and calling for his ouster.

Seriously, sideways with a chain saw

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Stanley Sea  Jul 24, 2017 • 3:41:42pm

re: #179 No Depression

Why? Just….why?

Turrets are the devil

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Jul 24, 2017 • 3:41:50pm

Trump is currently lying at the Boy Scout Jamboree, live feed:

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MsJ  Jul 24, 2017 • 3:41:51pm

re: #88 nines09

70 is the new child. You wet your pants, fall down, cry for mommy and call for another glass of iced tea……..

More like drool and diapers. //

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Targetpractice  Jul 24, 2017 • 3:42:31pm

re: #181 jaunte

“For the price of an architect you could have 46 more windows!”

That’s the look of a house where the builders shrugged and said “I get paid either way.”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 24, 2017 • 3:44:50pm

re: #184 Stanley Sea

Turrets are the devil

Heh. Mrs. FBW and I were talking about the Winchester Mystery House, and how Sarah Winchester just kept building it, adding new towers and turrets.

Mrs. FBW said, “Sounds like a compulsion. She must have had Turrets Syndrome.”

That’s why I married her. That, and she’d let me.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 24, 2017 • 3:46:46pm

All the photos are larger that 500. gah.

You must go to that site

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Jul 24, 2017 • 3:46:49pm

re: #179 No Depression

Why? Just….why?

Looks like something you would find in one of the posher mcmansion grifterhoods of Lubbock.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 24, 2017 • 3:47:13pm

Oh, For Fucks Sake! Seriously?

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retired cynic  Jul 24, 2017 • 3:48:33pm

re: #191 Blind Frog Belly White

Oh, For Fucks Sake! Seriously?

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The b*st*rd! Between that and the military breaches.

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darthstar  Jul 24, 2017 • 3:48:37pm

re: #185 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Trump is currently lying at the Boy Scout Jamboree, live feed:

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Rick Perry looks like he’s massaging a woody behind Trump.

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No Depression  Jul 24, 2017 • 3:48:51pm

re: #191 Blind Frog Belly White

Oh, For Fucks Sake! Seriously?

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The Twitler Youth. /

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darthstar  Jul 24, 2017 • 3:49:21pm

re: #189 Stanley Sea

All the photos are larger that 500. gah.

You must go to that site

Right click, save as, post.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Jul 24, 2017 • 3:50:03pm

I wonder what kind of reception the Rancid One would get from the Girl Scouts?

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wheat-dogg  Jul 24, 2017 • 3:50:38pm

re: #151 nines09

What I did on the road for 20 years and obscene phone rates. I would contact operator to make a collect call. Operator would call party with me still online, open. Operator would ask me to identify myself. I would scream “I’m OK, see you tonight” or such, and the operator would close the call and hang up. No fee. No charge. No muss. No fuss.
Back in the day…

Bob Wehadababyitsaboy

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Jebediah, RBG  Jul 24, 2017 • 3:51:33pm

How do I kill that video of trump corrupting the Boy Scouts? It is slowing the crap out of my browser.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Jul 24, 2017 • 3:52:56pm

Some fool inexplicably tagged me as a Putinbot on Twitter. re: #198 Jebediah, RBG

How do I kill that video of trump corrupting the Boy Scouts? It is slowing the crap out of my browser.

right click, hit “pause.”

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Targetpractice  Jul 24, 2017 • 3:53:03pm

re: #193 darthstar

Rick Perry looks like he’s massaging a woody behind Trump.

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gocart mozart  Jul 24, 2017 • 3:56:39pm
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gocart mozart  Jul 24, 2017 • 3:57:53pm
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Jebediah, RBG  Jul 24, 2017 • 3:58:38pm

re: #199 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Thank you!

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 24, 2017 • 4:01:46pm

re: #185 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Trump is currently lying at the Boy Scout Jamboree, live feed:

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“I can tie a square knot 50% of the time!”

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MsJ  Jul 24, 2017 • 4:02:02pm

And the courts rules Trump’s Stop The Vote commission can collect all the private data they so desire. Yee fucking haw.

washingtonpost.com

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Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2017 • 4:03:33pm

re: #205 MsJ

And the courts rules Trump’s Srop The Vote commission can collect all the private data they so desire. Yee fucking haw.

washingtonpost.com

Jefferson Beauregard will put a stop to this Yankee interference.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 24, 2017 • 4:04:21pm

“And remember, you can still tweet during your Order of the Arrow initiation.”

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Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2017 • 4:06:16pm

Follow-on to yesterday’s eclipse discussion: NASA wants your digits.

space.com

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wrenchwench  Jul 24, 2017 • 4:07:20pm

That’s approximately 25% of the population.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Jul 24, 2017 • 4:07:48pm

Harrowing details revealed in deadly alleged human-smuggling case in Texas

An undocumented immigrant who survived an alleged smuggling attempt on a stifling hot tractor-trailer where 10 people died told investigators that the driver ignored their banging from inside a shipping container as they took turns breathing through a hole in the wall, according to a criminal complaint.

Some people had trouble breathing and passed out, the man said, according to a criminal complaint filed today against the driver that does not name the immigrant.

The immigrant told investigators there were about 70 other people when he and his group of 28 got inside the tractor-trailer, where officials said temperatures climbed to over 100 degrees, according to the criminal complaint. When authorities responded to the tractor-trailer parked outside a San Antonio, Texas, Walmart this weekend, a total of 39 people, including children, were found inside. Ten people, all adult men, died, and 29 people were being treated at hospitals, officials said. Many experienced heat stroke and dehydration, officials said.

The driver, one James Mathew Bradley Jr., 60, claims that he had been unaware of the contents of the trailer before he stopped at the Walmart, but that he did open the door and try to help the occupants as soon as he found out. He did not call 911 however. That happened only when one of the victims came into the Walmart looking for water.

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Mike Lamb  Jul 24, 2017 • 4:09:39pm

re: #205 MsJ

And the courts rules Trump’s Stop The Vote commission can collect all the private data they so desire. Yee fucking haw.

washingtonpost.com

Based on the summary from the article, seems like the judge is elevating style over substance by emphasizing that it’s an “advisory” committee vs. agency. I mean, it’s an advisory committee led by the VP, a number of other elected officials, and that will be, in all likelihood, drafting policy.

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Targetpractice  Jul 24, 2017 • 4:11:03pm

re: #205 MsJ

And the courts rules Trump’s Stop The Vote commission can collect all the private data they so desire. Yee fucking haw.

washingtonpost.com

This is likely to be the key quote:

“The mere increased risk of disclosure stemming from the collection and eventual, anonymized disclosure of already publicly available voter roll information is insufficient” to block the data request, she wrote.

The judge is saying that if the info is already publicly available, then it’s not in danger of being leaked out. But the problem isn’t the public info, it’s the private info that this commission is trying to pressure states into releasing to them. This judge seems to be giving Kobach the benefit of the doubt which he doesn’t deserve by this point.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 24, 2017 • 4:12:14pm

re: #210 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Harrowing details revealed in deadly alleged human-smuggling case in Texas

The driver, one James Mathew Bradley Jr., 60, claims that he had been unaware of the contents of the trailer before he stopped at the Walmart, but that he did open the door and try to help the occupants as soon as he found out. He did not call 911 however. That happened only when one of the victims came into the Walmart looking for water.

I just saw a reporter for a San Antonio paper say that some conservatives in the area are blaming “sanctuary cities” for pulling these people to make the dangerous journey. SMH

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wheat-dogg  Jul 24, 2017 • 4:12:30pm

re: #210 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Harrowing details revealed in deadly alleged human-smuggling case in Texas

The driver, one James Mathew Bradley Jr., 60, claims that he had been unaware of the contents of the trailer before he stopped at the Walmart, but that he did open the door and try to help the occupants as soon as he found out. He did not call 911 however. That happened only when one of the victims came into the Walmart looking for water.

I don’t buy his story. Neither will his employer. Truckers are responsible for their cargo.

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Targetpractice  Jul 24, 2017 • 4:12:55pm

re: #213 Barefoot Grin

I just saw a reporter for a San Antonio paper say that some conservatives in the area are blaming “sanctuary cities” for pulling these people to make the dangerous journey. SMH

Right, there were no “illegals” trying to enter the country before the invention of “sanctuary cities.”

FFS

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EPR-radar  Jul 24, 2017 • 4:14:51pm

re: #212 Targetpractice

This is likely to be the key quote:

The judge is saying that if the info is already publicly available, then it’s not in danger of being leaked out. But the problem isn’t the public info, it’s the private info that this commission is trying to pressure states into releasing to them. This judge seems to be giving Kobach the benefit of the doubt which he doesn’t deserve by this point.

That’s a big problem. People like Kobach should not be given the benefit of the doubt. He should be treated by the courts and the media as one of Satan’s earthly agents.

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plansbandc  Jul 24, 2017 • 4:14:55pm

re: #4 HappyWarrior

Hope you are having a festive day!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 24, 2017 • 4:16:28pm

re: #112 nines09

If I had an iPhone at age 17……………………………..I would be either famous or rich or both.

I would have been a Timelord…

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Jul 24, 2017 • 4:18:19pm

re: #210 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

This kind of incident has happened before, most notoriously in Victoria Texas in 2003, when 19 people died in an abandoned smuggling trailer. What kind of idiot, never mind heartless criminal, thinks you can lock a hundred people in an unventilated trailer in summer weather and not have some of them die?

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Mike Lamb  Jul 24, 2017 • 4:18:35pm

re: #212 Targetpractice

This is likely to be the key quote:

The judge is saying that if the info is already publicly available, then it’s not in danger of being leaked out. But the problem isn’t the public info, it’s the private info that this commission is trying to pressure states into releasing to them. This judge seems to be giving Kobach the benefit of the doubt which he doesn’t deserve by this point.

Also, there’s a lot of info that is publicly available, but that is spread to disparate sources. Just because each individual piece of information may be publicly available doesn’t mean that I’m comfortable with it all going to a specific clearinghouse—a one stop shopping spot for hackers—where the stated goal is of said clearinghouse is of a dubious nature and where I can’t have great confidence it will remain secured.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 24, 2017 • 4:19:42pm

God I love Josh Marshall sometimes:

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Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2017 • 4:20:52pm

re: #220 Mike Lamb

Also, there’s a lot of info that is publicly available, but that is spread to disparate sources. Just because each individual piece of information may be publicly available doesn’t mean that I’m comfortable with it all going to a specific clearinghouse—a one stop shopping spot for hackers—where the stated goal is of said clearinghouse is of a dubious nature and where I can’t have great confidence it will remain secured.

No hacker is as worrisome as the Confederate Department of Justice.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 24, 2017 • 4:22:56pm

re: #212 Targetpractice

This is likely to be the key quote:

The judge is saying that if the info is already publicly available, then it’s not in danger of being leaked out. But the problem isn’t the public info, it’s the private info that this commission is trying to pressure states into releasing to them. This judge seems to be giving Kobach the benefit of the doubt which he doesn’t deserve by this point.

This is far from over, though. There are lots of other lawsuits against this thuggish attempt to suppress and intimidate voters that still have to be heard.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 24, 2017 • 4:27:17pm
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wheat-dogg  Jul 24, 2017 • 4:28:35pm

I bet Trump will not be speaking to the Girl Scouts, though.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 24, 2017 • 4:31:15pm

Goddamnit.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 24, 2017 • 4:31:34pm

This shit just keeps piling up.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 24, 2017 • 4:32:23pm

He’s a sick fuck and BSA better repudiate this bullshit. My troop would have been laughing at him.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2017 • 4:32:39pm

This is not a particularly good idea for the Boy Scouts.

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retired cynic  Jul 24, 2017 • 4:33:52pm

re: #229 Decatur Deb

This is not a particularly good idea for the Boy Scouts.

Nor for the USA.

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Targetpractice  Jul 24, 2017 • 4:33:59pm

So, do they close out this gathering by swearing the Führereid?

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No Depression  Jul 24, 2017 • 4:34:10pm

re: #224 Charles Johnson

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Guess it’s time to remove the sarc tag from my Twitler Youth remark. Sigh…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 24, 2017 • 4:35:53pm

re: #219 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

This kind of incident has happened before, most notoriously in Victoria Texas in 2003, when 19 people died in an abandoned smuggling trailer. What kind of idiot, never mind heartless criminal, thinks you can lock a hundred people in an unventilated trailer in summer weather and not have some of them die?

Once the human traffickers have their money and your ass is over the border they could not give less of a shit what happens to you.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 24, 2017 • 4:36:38pm
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wrenchwench  Jul 24, 2017 • 4:38:34pm

If only it had been just a TV show.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 24, 2017 • 4:39:21pm

re: #235 wrenchwench

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If only it had been just a TV show.

Famous night? Famous was the night Obama was elected. The night you were elected is infamous.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 24, 2017 • 4:39:28pm
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EPR-radar  Jul 24, 2017 • 4:42:11pm

re: #229 Decatur Deb

This is not a particularly good idea for the Boy Scouts.

I hope that former scouts etc. are letting the BSA leadership know what they think of this attempt to turn the BSA into the Twitler Youth.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 24, 2017 • 4:43:15pm

re: #238 EPR-radar

I hope that former scouts etc. are letting the BSA leadership know what they think of this attempt to turn the BSA into the Twitler Youth.

As long as he is not corrupting them with homosexuality…

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MsJ  Jul 24, 2017 • 4:45:33pm

re: #237 Charles Johnson

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wheat-dogg  Jul 24, 2017 • 4:46:28pm

re: #229 Decatur Deb

This is not a particularly good idea for the Boy Scouts.

When I was involved as a Scout leader, I had the impression the BSA was apolitical, despite its conservative leanings. The national leadership needs to be read the riot act to allow Trump to politicize a Jamboree.

From the BSA Scouters Code of Conduct

5. I will respect and abide by the Rules and Regulations of the Boy Scouts
of America, BSA policies, and BSA-provided training, including but
not limited to, those relating to:
a. Unauthorized fundraising activities
b. Advocacy on social and political issues, including prohibited use of
the BSA uniform and brand
c. Bullying, hazing, harassment, and unlawful discrimination
of any kind

(PDF page iv)

From the Rules and Regulations:

Participation in Public Functions
Scouters must, when practicable, cooperate in
connection with civic or other public gatherings of
a nonpartisan and nonpolitical character in a way
that gives youth members an opportunity to
render service in harmony with their training
instead of merely taking part in parades in their
uniforms.

(PDF p. 5)

Policy Concerning Political Questions
The Boy Scouts of America must not, through its
governing body or through any of its officers,
chartered councils, Scouters, or members, involve
Scouting in political matters. However, this must
not be interpreted to prevent the teaching of ideals
of patriotism and good citizenship as required to
fulfill the Boy Scouts of America’s purpose.

(PDF p. 6) ibid.

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plansbandc  Jul 24, 2017 • 4:46:50pm

I am absolutely sickened by the orange shitbag’s speech to the scouts. One of the most symbolically Un-American things he’s done so far. I can’t even put into words the loathing I feel for him.

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MsJ  Jul 24, 2017 • 4:47:36pm

re: #237 Charles Johnson

244
BeachDem  Jul 24, 2017 • 4:48:09pm

re: #205 MsJ

And the courts rules Trump’s Stop The Vote commission can collect all the private data they so desire. Yee fucking haw.

washingtonpost.com

Yeah, but…

She also pointed out that the commission was an advisory body that does not have legal authority to compel states to hand over the data.

245
Charles Johnson  Jul 24, 2017 • 4:48:10pm
246
No Depression  Jul 24, 2017 • 4:50:19pm

re: #245 Charles Johnson

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I’m no prude, but that is totally inappropriate for an audience of children. This asshole disgusts me.

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alloutofcrazyhere  Jul 24, 2017 • 4:51:16pm

re: #205 MsJ

Not sure if it’ll matter worth a lick, but I at least recently made my voter information private. Oh well, at least I’ll throw up as many barriers as possible.

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MsJ  Jul 24, 2017 • 4:52:19pm

re: #237 Charles Johnson

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Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2017 • 4:52:58pm

The Boy Scouts are congressionally chartered.

usscouts.org

250
Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 24, 2017 • 4:53:38pm

I wonder if the kids were coached on when to cheer.

251
ObserverArt  Jul 24, 2017 • 4:53:41pm

I’m sure all of those Christian Evangelical types that laid their hands on this godly man are fine with Trump’s stories about his rich buddy’s debauchery.

252
Charles Johnson  Jul 24, 2017 • 4:53:46pm
253
nines09  Jul 24, 2017 • 4:54:22pm

Trump to Boy Scouts Of America…..”Smell my fingers…”
Worms serve a purpose….

254
Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Jul 24, 2017 • 4:55:07pm

re: #245 Charles Johnson

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OH HELL NO! Baptists should riot in the streets over this but they won’t. Fucking hypocrites and tools.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 24, 2017 • 4:55:32pm

The national executive of the BSA is Randall Stephenson, CEO of AT&T. His contact information is at this link.

consumerist.com

Call him, write him an email, send a fax.

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TedStriker  Jul 24, 2017 • 4:55:43pm

re: #248 MsJ

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Hey, don’t paint all of us Scouters (and Scouts) who are completely mortified and embarrassed beyond the capacity for rational thought right now with the same damn brush…

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nines09  Jul 24, 2017 • 4:57:31pm

re: #254 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

OH HELL NO! Baptists should riot in the streets over this but they won’t. Fucking hypocrites and tools.

Fundies think this is “man talk”, and not one of them engage in it, because…..
Enough to make an atheist pray there is a hell…a true hell…

258
Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2017 • 4:57:36pm

re: #255 wheat-dogg

The national executive of the BSA is Randall Stephenson, CEO of AT&T. His contact information is at this link.

consumerist.com

Call him, write him an email, send a fax.

Ask him about his non-profit status. (501. C (3))

usscouts.org

259
EPR-radar  Jul 24, 2017 • 4:57:50pm

re: #245 Charles Johnson

tr*mp’s first Caligula moment in office. There will be many more.

260
MsJ  Jul 24, 2017 • 4:58:04pm

re: #256 TedStriker

Hey, don’t paint all of us Scouters (and Scouts) who are completely mortified and embarassed right now with the same damn brush…

Forgive me. The brush is there and every kid who cheered painted himself. How do I look past the cheering?

261
Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2017 • 4:58:51pm

re: #256 TedStriker

Hey, don’t paint all of us Scouters (and Scouts) who are completely mortified and embarassed right now with the same damn brush…

Better fix it internally.

262
gocart mozart  Jul 24, 2017 • 4:59:09pm
263
TedStriker  Jul 24, 2017 • 4:59:20pm

re: #255 wheat-dogg

The national executive of the BSA is Randall Stephenson, CEO of AT&T. His contact information is at this link.

consumerist.com

Call him, write him an email, send a fax.

Stephenson’s not Chief Scout Executive of the National Council, he’s a member of the BSA’s national executive board; the current Chief Scout Executive is Michael Surbaugh.

264
nines09  Jul 24, 2017 • 4:59:42pm

re: #260 MsJ

Kids. Dirty joke. Teens. Life. That it comes from a grasping sexual predator that is also THE PRESIDENT OF THE FUCKING UNITED STATES….tells you about the Scouts. NOT the kids…

265
Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Jul 24, 2017 • 4:59:49pm

re: #256 TedStriker

Hey, don’t paint all of us Scouters (and Scouts) who are completely mortified and embarassed right now with the same damn brush…

The leaders who allowed this need to be called on the carpet.

266
ObserverArt  Jul 24, 2017 • 5:00:41pm

I bet you Trump cannot do anything boy-scout-like. Does anyone think Trump could even identify poison ivy? Could he set up a simple classic two pole tent with stakes, build a fire?

267
TedStriker  Jul 24, 2017 • 5:00:54pm

re: #260 MsJ

Forgive me. The brush is there and every kid who cheered painted himself. How do I look past the cheering?

re: #261 Decatur Deb

Better fix it internally.

OK, I’m asking…what would you have me do, right now?

268
Decatur Deb  Jul 24, 2017 • 5:01:54pm

re: #267 TedStriker

OK, I’m asking…what would you have me do, right now?

Start communicating firmly up your chain. (I was a Cub leader in two states.)

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TedStriker  Jul 24, 2017 • 5:02:06pm

re: #263 TedStriker

Stephenson’s not Chief Scout Executive of the National Council, he’s a member of the BSA’s national executive board; the current Chief Scout Executive is Michael Surbaugh.

Edit: Apparently, Rex Tillerson is (or was) also on the BSA national executive board.

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MsJ  Jul 24, 2017 • 5:02:38pm

re: #264 nines09

Kids. Dirty joke. Teens. Life. That it comes from a grasping sexual predator tells you about the Scouts. NOT the kids…

How long before they decide to beat up others for their president? It IS the kids. It’s more Trump. But you cannot discount the cheering.

271
Targetpractice  Jul 24, 2017 • 5:02:39pm

I suspect the closest Trump’s ever been to the Boy Scouts prior to today was having them chased off one of his properties.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 24, 2017 • 5:03:24pm

re: #263 TedStriker

Stephenson’s not Chief Scout Executive of the National Council, he’s a member of the BSA’s national executive board; the current Chief Scout Executive is Michael Surbaugh.

Thanks for the correction. Then we can write to both of them.

273
No Depression  Jul 24, 2017 • 5:03:41pm

re: #266 ObserverArt

I bet you Trump cannot do anything boy-scout-like. Does anyone think Trump could even identify poison ivy? Could he set up a simple classic two pole tent with stakes, build a fire?

Can he go two minutes without lying?

274
Weaselone  Jul 24, 2017 • 5:03:52pm

re: #256 TedStriker

Hey, don’t paint all of us Scouters (and Scouts) who are completely mortified and embarrassed beyond the capacity for rational thought right now with the same damn brush…

She didn’t paint Scouters (and Scouts) with this brush. Trump did along with the leaders and scouts who clapped along with his BS. Your argument is with them, not the rest of us.

275
EPR-radar  Jul 24, 2017 • 5:05:24pm

re: #268 Decatur Deb

Start communicating firmly up your chain. (I was a Cub leader in two states.)

There can’t really be any equivocation on this. Either one is in favor of tr*mp using the BSA as part of GOP propaganda, which will lead to the BSA becoming the Twitler Youth in a matter of days, or not.

276
Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Jul 24, 2017 • 5:06:00pm

re: #245 Charles Johnson

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I might tell that story to a basic training platoon, then add how the rich guy came down with all sorts of STDs and lost a few paternity suits.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 24, 2017 • 5:06:26pm

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nines09  Jul 24, 2017 • 5:06:56pm

re: #270 MsJ

Broad brushes paint everything. WTF do I know? So all those kids are now effed? Most don’t even understand the war being fought over this shit. Mom and dad and the scouts… they need to pay attention. He played the kids. Mom and dad? Are they played? That is your crux…

279
MsJ  Jul 24, 2017 • 5:08:58pm

re: #267 TedStriker

OK, I’m asking…what would you have me do, right now?

Call the scout leadership.

Stop any and all support. Write letters why you’re doing so.

Send them any Scout related items (sashes, badges, etc.) back to them explaining how they tarnished the Scout reputation.

Pull your sons out of scouting.

Talk to your children about why cheering was wrong and dangerous to their country (a mini civics lesson). (I’m flexible in this because you know your kids better but there has to be a “this is not acceptable” aspect to be heard.)

Write your Congresscritters.

280
TedStriker  Jul 24, 2017 • 5:09:08pm

I see that, as LGF’s friendly neighborhood Scouter, I’m gonna take a lot of heat for Trump being an ass at the National Jamboree and (some of) those in attendance acting just as much like asses…and that’s OK.

Right now, as a lowly assistant Scoutmaster, I don’t see much I can really think to do right now, other than as DD said, which is to write letters directed up the chain.

Again, I’m so mortified right now.

281
TedStriker  Jul 24, 2017 • 5:10:53pm

re: #279 MsJ

Call the scout leadership.

Stop any and all support. Write letters why you’re doing so.

Send them any Scout related items (sashes, badges, etc.) back to them explaining how they tarnished the Scout reputation.

Pull your sons out of scouting.

Talk to your children about why cheering was wrong and dangerous to their country (a mini civics lesson). (I’m flexible in this because you know your kids better but there has to be a “this is not acceptable” aspect to be heard.)

Write your Congresscritters.

I will not throw away over thirty years in Scouting over this, but I will make my displeasure known, as best as I can.

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William Lewis  Jul 24, 2017 • 5:12:36pm

re: #224 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Yet another reason alongside their homophobia & misogyny that makes me glad I never allowed my son to be involved with the BSA. He’s a better person for not being one of Them.

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A Cranky One  Jul 24, 2017 • 5:13:15pm

OT:

My phone died yesterday, so was forced to get a new one. Decided to try the camera while learning the new device. So went out to capture some of the Mrs Cranky garden show. Guess I’ll need to tweak the settings a bit, but decided to share what the spouse forces me to endure. Just image being forced to look at this while sipping the morning coffee. How rude.

Guess we need to mow. ;-)

284
Barefoot Grin  Jul 24, 2017 • 5:14:40pm

re: #281 TedStriker

I will not throw away over thirty years in Scouting over this, but I will make my displeasure known, as best as I can.

Good for you. Even with what I reveal privately above, I know that my Dad still treasures what Scouts was for him. Otherwise he wouldn’t have continued to work in it into his adult years.

285
ObserverArt  Jul 24, 2017 • 5:15:44pm

re: #280 TedStriker

I see that, as LGF’s friendly neighborhood Scouter, I’m gonna take a lot of heat for Trump being an ass at the National Jamboree and (some of) those in attendance acting just as much like asses…and that’s OK.

Right now, as a lowly assistant Scoutmaster, I don’t see much I can really think to do right now, other than as DD said, which is to write letters directed up the chain.

Again, I’m so mortified right now.

Please don’t see it as heat directed at you. It is just more Trump mess.

Whatever you do, do not do nothing. I think that is all we can ask of you.

Since you are a part of Scouting, you carry some weight with your comments to the BS of A. Be sure to let them know your background and how this affected you.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 24, 2017 • 5:16:40pm

re: #260 MsJ

Forgive me. The brush is there and every kid who cheered painted himself. How do I look past the cheering?

Someone told them that if they didn’t cheer The President there would be unpleasant consequences.

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William Lewis  Jul 24, 2017 • 5:17:01pm

re: #255 wheat-dogg

The national executive of the BSA is Randall Stephenson, CEO of AT&T. His contact information is at this link.

consumerist.com

Call him, write him an email, send a fax.

email sent.

288
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 24, 2017 • 5:21:12pm

re: #286 The Vicious Babushka

Someone told them that if they didn’t cheer The President there would be unpleasant consequences.

Great Boy Scout values being taught there…

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 24, 2017 • 5:24:06pm

re: #280 TedStriker

I see that, as LGF’s friendly neighborhood Scouter, I’m gonna take a lot of heat for Trump being an ass at the National Jamboree and (some of) those in attendance acting just as much like asses…and that’s OK.

Right now, as a lowly assistant Scoutmaster, I don’t see much I can really think to do right now, other than as DD said, which is to write letters directed up the chain.

Again, I’m so mortified right now.

I’m glad the Boy Scouts threw me out when I was a teen for being an atheist after seeing this disgusting display.

An organisation built on bigotry can only maintain itself through hatred. Whereas the Girl Scouts are becoming more inclusive, the Boy Scouts are becoming more hateful.

I was devastated when the Boy Scouts threw me out. I’d already been banned from certain events because I did not have a father to attend with me. My mother pointed out that I would remember their treatment one day, because I would see them do it again.


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