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1
freetoken  Jul 29, 2017 • 6:24:42pm

How will the story of ‘mucci in the WH end?

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freetoken  Jul 29, 2017 • 6:28:53pm

Isn’t the point of having a “chief” of a staff: in order to organize said staff and keep the chaos and drama at a minimum?

It seems like Trump is intending on increasing the drama, increasing the chaos.

What will ‘mucci do when the GOP in Congress decide to write their own budget and ignore Trump’s wishes? When ‘mucci fails to deliver a budget that brings Trump glory, how will ‘mucci escape being the fall guy when relations with Congress hit the point that even Trump has to acknowledge he’s not going to get what he wants?

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 29, 2017 • 6:30:44pm

re: #1 freetoken

A lot like Baghdad Bob.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 29, 2017 • 6:36:37pm
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BeachDem  Jul 29, 2017 • 6:39:24pm

re: #2 freetoken

Isn’t the point of having a “chief” of a staff: in order to organize said staff and keep the chaos and drama at a minimum?

It seems like Trump is intending on increasing the drama, increasing the chaos.

What will ‘mucci do when the GOP in Congress decide to write their own budget and ignore Trump’s wishes? When ‘mucci fails to deliver a budget that brings Trump glory, how will ‘mucci escape being the fall guy when relations with Congress hit the point that even Trump has to acknowledge he’s not going to get what he wants?

Also, Kelly may have good organizational skills but zero experience with legislative/government issues.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 29, 2017 • 6:45:26pm

Over at We Hunted the Mammoth, reporting on the latest MRA idea to get women to love them:

Replace Women’s Brains with Dog Brains So They’ll Have Sex with Us, Incel Proposes

WHtM exists to take apart the wacky ideas of so-called “Men’s Rights Activists” and their various iterations.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 29, 2017 • 6:46:55pm

re: #6 Anymouse 🌹

“involuntary celibate”? Oh, for the love of God, these men are stupid. If they weren’t self-righteous, stuck-up, arrogant blowhards who couldn’t buy a clue with a billion dollars, they’d figure out that the way to get laid isn’t by bitching that no one will sleep with you.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 29, 2017 • 6:48:03pm
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Barefoot Grin  Jul 29, 2017 • 6:48:54pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

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You’d see Russian mobsters showing up at Breitbart to give a little editorial guidance, I’m guessing.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 29, 2017 • 6:49:30pm

re: #5 BeachDem

Also, Kelly may have good organizational skills but zero experience with legislative/government issues.

When you reach the rank of general, you’ve likely held a chief-of-staff position within the military. I suspect Gen. Kelly is familiar with how that function of the job works.

Moreover, he should be familiar with bureaucratic issues, because the military is one giant bureaucracy. So Gen. Kelly is likely to be able to handle that as well.

There is no training or class for “White House Chief-of-Staff.” Gen. Kelly’s big issue will not be whether he can do the job (he likely can), but whether people like President Bannon, Trump, and Scaramucci get in his way or go round him. (If Gen. Kelly gets the authority that goes with his responsibilities, he might actually be able to bring some order to the chaos. I’m betting unlike the military, he won’t get that authority from Trump.)

Eris weeps.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 29, 2017 • 6:50:21pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

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Paging Zefram Cochrane… Dr. Cochrane, we need you to get on that warp drive, sir. Like, yesterday.

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Belafon  Jul 29, 2017 • 6:50:39pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

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The “master” race:

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 29, 2017 • 6:53:42pm

Can someone remind me which week this is? Jobs week? Heroes week? The winning goes by like a Bullet Train.

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calochortus  Jul 29, 2017 • 6:55:39pm

re: #6 Anymouse 🌹

Over at We Hunted the Mammoth, reporting on the latest MRA idea to get women to love them:

Replace Women’s Brains with Dog Brains So They’ll Have Sex with Us, Incel Proposes

WHtM exists to take apart the wacky ideas of so-called “Men’s Rights Activists” and their various iterations.

Umm, without having actually read the piece, do I want to know why that idiot thinks that a dog would want to have sex with him if its brain was in a woman’s body?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 29, 2017 • 6:56:39pm

re: #14 calochortus

Umm, without having actually read the piece, do I want to know why that idiot thinks that a dog would want to have sex with him if its brain was in a woman’s body?

Because he didn’t think it through all the way?

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calochortus  Jul 29, 2017 • 6:57:15pm

re: #13 Barefoot Grin

Can someone remind me which week this is? Jobs week? Heroes week? The winning goes by like a Bullet Train.

Last week was American Heroes Week, hence the speech to a bunch of cops. God knows what next week is supposed to be.

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calochortus  Jul 29, 2017 • 6:57:46pm

re: #15 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Because he didn’t think it through all the way?

What scares me is that maybe he did think it through.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 29, 2017 • 7:00:14pm

Japan Imposes Emergency Beef Import Tariffs (Goes to the Scottsbluff, NE Star-Herald, more at the link)

World Trade Organisation rules allow Japan to impose this tariff if beef imports rise too fast (I would presume to prevent dumping, though I am not a rancher nor an economist).

In unwelcome news for the beef industry, Japan said Friday that it was imposing emergency tariffs of 50 percent on imports of frozen beef, mainly from the U.S.

[Nebr.] Gov. Pete Ricketts [R] said the move “will have a serious economic impact” on Nebraska’s beef industry, which is looking to expand exports as the state’s cattle herd grows.

He did not quantify the expected impact, and the U.S. Meat Export Federation said the impact is not clear. Japan is the nation’s and Nebraska’s largest export market for beef. Nebraska exported $316 million worth of beef to Japan in 2016 out of total exports worth more than $1.1 billion.

Ricketts is scheduled to make 
a trade mission to Japan in September.

“Our beef community can rest assured these tariffs rate increases will be at the forefront of 
our discussions in Japan,” Ricketts said.

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calochortus  Jul 29, 2017 • 7:00:35pm

re: #16 calochortus

I had to go look it up. Apparently next week’s theme is “American Dreams.” You know what my dream for America is? Yeah. Maybe he’ll resign.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 29, 2017 • 7:00:51pm

re: #17 calochortus

What scares me is that maybe he did think it through.

Well, if he did, he’d realize that even a dog wouldn’t stoop to having sex with him willingly. Dogs are too smart for that shit.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 29, 2017 • 7:02:07pm

re: #14 calochortus

Umm, without having actually read the piece, do I want to know why that idiot thinks that a dog would want to have sex with him if its brain was in a woman’s body?

Probably not. It was a lunatic on Reddit that made the proposal. We Hunted the Mammoth reported on another of these charming fellows saying that sex with a woman’s corpse up to two days after death would be okay (and she can’t object).

The photo on the article is of a dog wearing a brassiere.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 29, 2017 • 7:03:07pm

re: #19 calochortus

I had to go look it up. Apparently next week’s theme is “American Dreams.” You know what my dream for America is? Yeah. Maybe he’ll resign.

They have something for every single week?

Reality TV America.

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Targetpractice  Jul 29, 2017 • 7:03:58pm

re: #12 Belafon

The “master” race:

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Obligatory:

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ObserverArt  Jul 29, 2017 • 7:06:06pm

Based on recent occurrences a little movie-like poster P’shop fun.

Now Showing - Sure to be a Classic - Limited Run in Select Theaters
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Kragar  Jul 29, 2017 • 7:06:41pm
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calochortus  Jul 29, 2017 • 7:09:55pm

re: #21 Anymouse 🌹

Probably not. It was a lunatic on Reddit that made the proposal. We Hunted the Mammoth reported on another of these charming fellows saying that sex with a woman’s corpse up to two days after death would be okay (and she can’t object).

The photo on the article is of a dog wearing a brassiere.

Yes, I understood that David Futrelle was only reporting on this moron. It’s what he does best. I can never decide if this stuff is funny or just way too creepy.

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jaunte  Jul 29, 2017 • 7:10:19pm

These people are insane.

“…As [friend and fellow Hunt & Fish co-owner Nelson] Braff said: “He’s a blue collar personality. … He’s very likeable and brash and gets away with saying things that other people, if they said it, might be deemed offensive.”

……..
“…[Kellyanne] Conway says that loyalty helped get Anthony into the White House.

“Absolutely, and he didn’t whine about [being passed over], which goes a long way,” she said. “I think it’s oxygen for the soul to have him here.”
pagesix.com

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 29, 2017 • 7:11:53pm

re: #1 freetoken

How will the story of ‘mucci in the WH end?

I have a feeling we’ll find that out shortly. He seems crazed and will either burn out or do something so spectacularly foolish that Trump will have no choice but to cut him loose. Can’t imagine him lasting for the remainder of Trump’s term.

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calochortus  Jul 29, 2017 • 7:13:00pm

re: #28 Patricia Kayden

Depends on how much longer Trump’s presidency lasts, doesn’t it?

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jaunte  Jul 29, 2017 • 7:16:04pm
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Patricia Kayden  Jul 29, 2017 • 7:17:24pm

re: #19 calochortus

I had to go look it up. Apparently next week’s theme is “American Dreams.” You know what my dream for America is? Yeah. Maybe he’ll resign.

Are we really expected to keep up with these silly themes as the White House is engulfed in chaos? This is just as nonsensical as that letter from Pickles, the child Trump lover.

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Targetpractice  Jul 29, 2017 • 7:17:54pm

re: #30 jaunte

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Boy, I’m sure glad we put a businessman who knows what he’s doing in the White House, right guys?

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jaunte  Jul 29, 2017 • 7:18:36pm

re: #32 Targetpractice

He used to buy things, but he didn’t pay for them. That’s just how sharp a businessman he was.

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calochortus  Jul 29, 2017 • 7:21:22pm

re: #31 Patricia Kayden

Are we really expected to keep up with these silly themes as the White House is engulfed in chaos? This is just as nonsensical as that letter from Pickles, the child Trump lover.

I know, it’s like they just haven’t noticed that no one is paying attention to what they’re trotting out to distract us. It’s incoherent as well, which isn’t a huge surprise looking at how the White House is being run. If you’re going to do these “theme” weeks, you really have to focus and pound on the theme. It also helps if there is an actual piece of policy associated with the theme, so there is a focus.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 29, 2017 • 7:22:48pm
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PhillyPretzel  Jul 29, 2017 • 7:28:15pm

re: #35 Anymouse 🌹

And there are still people in PA who want to make this state dry. They do not seem to understand that Prohibition was repealed and that you cannot legislate behavior.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 29, 2017 • 7:30:39pm

re: #36 PhillyPretzel

And there are still people in PA who want to make this state dry. They do not seem to understand that Prohibition was repealed and that you cannot legislate behavior.

MN just got rid of their ban on Sunday liquor sales. The liquor stores opened the Sunday before the 4th of July. It is a glorious thing.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 29, 2017 • 7:31:37pm

re: #37 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

In PA one has to wait until 12 noon before buying alcohol.

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dangerman  Jul 29, 2017 • 7:32:27pm

re: #22 Stanley Sea

They have something for every single week?

Reality TV America.

Here’s some scenes from next week’s show

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wheat-dogg  Jul 29, 2017 • 7:33:56pm

re: #12 Belafon

The “master” race:

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Ah, jeez. The guy has on a patch that says “Kentucky.”

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teleskiguy  Jul 29, 2017 • 7:34:16pm

re: #35 Anymouse 🌹

There’s no link to the article you quote.

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Belafon  Jul 29, 2017 • 7:37:14pm

re: #40 wheat-dogg

Ah, jeez. The guy has on a patch that says “Kentucky.”

We just spent the last 4 days moving my son to Kentucky for grad school. Luckily, he’s in Lexington, right across the street from UK.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 29, 2017 • 7:39:05pm

Okay, so, put a dog’s brain in a woman so it will have sex with him. Well, if it’s a MALE dog’s brain, it’ll probably try to hump HIM.

And if it’s a female, she’ll only want sex during the right stage of estrus, so maybe 1-3 times a year, or if they luck into human hormone cycles, about 1 week of the month.

Clearly, they didn’t think this through.

Unless they’re currently having sex with their dogs. In which case somebody should call the SPCA.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 29, 2017 • 7:39:07pm

re: #41 teleskiguy

There’s no link to the article you quote.

Oops, lemme fix that.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 29, 2017 • 7:40:13pm

Link here and in the article now.

starherald.com

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calochortus  Jul 29, 2017 • 7:40:20pm

re: #36 PhillyPretzel

And there are still people in PA who want to make this state dry. They do not seem to understand that Prohibition was repealed and that you cannot legislate behavior.

Some years ago when we lived in PA the State Stores had a sale. People were outraged for one of two reasons. A Labor Day sale would encourage drunkenness, or the state would be losing money.
State stores make too much money for PA to ever go dry.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 29, 2017 • 7:41:29pm

re: #46 calochortus

I remember the sale because I was able to get a bottle of Mouton-Cadet. It was worth every penny.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 29, 2017 • 7:45:26pm

Keep Trump away from news from Pakistan. He might get ideas.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 29, 2017 • 7:46:22pm

re: #39 dangerman

Here’s some scenes from next week’s show

I just saw a tweet that said, “why do these people who are fired go right to a TV interview???”

Someone responded, they do the on camera exit interview on reality TV.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 29, 2017 • 7:48:16pm

re: #37 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

MN just got rid of their ban on Sunday liquor sales. The liquor stores opened the Sunday before the 4th of July. It is a glorious thing.

As long as I’ve lived here there hasn’t been a ban on Sunday liquor sales.

Liquor sales are controlled by counties and municipalities, but licenses are issued by the state government. Thus, some municipalities prohibit sales on Election Day, others on Sundays, &c. State law does not prohibit children from being in a bar, but municipalities and counties can put restrictions on it. (Our village ordinances require children to be in the company of an adult and out of the bar by 9PM.)

We have only two places that sell liquor (the general store and the bar). Municipalities and counties can also issue special alcohol permits for specific events (thus we issue them for the annual town party and the occasional fund raiser for the fire department).

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calochortus  Jul 29, 2017 • 7:48:29pm

re: #47 PhillyPretzel

I remember the sale because I was able to get a bottle of Mouton-Cadet. It was worth every penny.

What? Don’t Delaware liquor stores ever have sales?
We used to pick up our wine in Maryland on the way to my sister-in-law’s house. It would take a very dedicated PA ABC agent to track us down there, wait for us to head home and then arrest us. It was cheaper, the selection was better, and oh yeah, they didn’t store the bottles standing up so the corks could dry out…

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MsJ  Jul 29, 2017 • 7:49:00pm

So if the trump adminstration isn’t scary enough, read this. I guarantee you’ll be shitting your pants when you’r done.

I can’t even copy parts. Read the whole thing.

Fuck. Me.

vanityfair.com

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Belafon  Jul 29, 2017 • 7:49:19pm

Due to that video of the cop planting drugs, 134 Baltimore cases are under review:

Maryland prosecutors have tossed 34 criminal cases and are re-examining dozens more in the aftermath of recent revelations that a Baltimore police officer accidentally recorded himself planting drugs in a trash-strewn alley.

Baltimore State’s Attorney Marilyn Mosby said that, in all, 123 cases are under review in the wake of a scandal in which one officer has been suspended and two others put on administrative duty. Body cam footage revealed nearly two weeks ago showed one of the officers planting drugs when he didn’t realize his body cam was recording. The Baltimore Police Department’s body cams, like many across the nation, capture footage 30 seconds before an officer presses the record button. The footage was turned over to defense attorneys as part of a drug prosecution—and that’s when the misdeed was uncovered.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 29, 2017 • 7:50:40pm

re: #50 Anymouse 🌹

As long as I’ve lived here there hasn’t been a ban on Sunday liquor sales.

Liquor sales are controlled by counties and municipalities, but licenses are issued by the state government. Thus, some municipalities prohibit sales on Election Day, others on Sundays, &c. State law does not prohibit children from being in a bar, but municipalities and counties can put restrictions on it. (Our village ordinances require children to be in the company of an adult and out of the bar by 9PM.)

We have only two places that sell liquor (the general store and the bar). Municipalities and counties can also issue special alcohol permits for specific events (thus we issue them for the annual town party and the occasional fund raiser for the fire department).

State law mandated that liquor stores could not sell alcohol on Sundays, but bars could (perhaps having to do with bars also selling food… I haven’t looked into the technicalities). This came up on a referendum in November and passed with flying colors, to be enacted at the beginning of this month. We may be known as a progressive liberal state, but we aren’t as much the shining paragons of the North as I wish we were.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 29, 2017 • 7:51:33pm

LOL Tomi is such a stupid tool.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 29, 2017 • 7:52:13pm

re: #42 Belafon

We just spent the last 4 days moving my son to Kentucky for grad school. Luckily, he’s in Lexington, right across the street from UK.

I’d love to go back to Lexington. Yes, I know that just about the time we were leaving Transylvania University was changing the name of a dorm named for Jefferson Davis at the same time someone was opening the Jefferson Davis Pub about a mile away.

I think I’ve told the story here before, but what the hell. One Saturday morning, as good members of the local food co-op, we signed up for roadside cleaning—basically, picking up thousands of cigarette butts on the side of the road. In two hours I had two people actively throw cigarette butts at me on a major road. Now, if you were to drive past the UK Hospital any hour of the day at that time, you’d see multiple people in wheel chairs hauling oxygen tanks (with nurses on break smoking alongside) smoking on the street.

That was before ACA and exchanges, I’m guessings that If they bothered to vote, they probably voted for Bevin.

I loved Kentucky and Lexington, but maybe the most self-defeating place I’ve lived.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 29, 2017 • 7:52:58pm

re: #51 calochortus

I have no idea. Most of the time my parents when we went down to Long Beach Island, NJ would head into one of the liquor stores down there. They had a wonderful selection of wines.

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jaunte  Jul 29, 2017 • 7:54:42pm

re: #52 MsJ

So if the trump adminstration isn’t scary enough, read this. I guarantee you’ll be shitting your pants when you’r done.

I can’t even copy parts. Read the whole thing.

Fuck. Me.

vanityfair.com

“…In the run-up to the Trump inauguration the man inside the D.O.E. in charge of the nuclear-weapons program was required to submit his resignation, as were the department’s 137 other political appointees. Frank Klotz was his name, and he was a retired three-star air-force lieutenant general with a Ph.D. in politics from Oxford. The keeper of the nation’s nuclear secrets had boxed up most of his books and memorabilia just like everyone else and was on his way out before anyone had apparently given the first thought to who might replace him. It was only after Secretary Moniz called a few senators to alert them to the disturbing vacancy, and the senators phoned Trump Tower sounding alarmed, that the Trump people called General Klotz, on the day before Donald Trump was inaugurated as the 45th president of the United States, and asked him to bring back the stuff he had taken home and move back into his office. Aside from him, the people with the most intimate knowledge of the problems and the possibilities of the D.O.E. walked out the door.”

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MsJ  Jul 29, 2017 • 7:55:33pm

re: #14 calochortus

Umm, without having actually read the piece, do I want to know why that idiot thinks that a dog would want to have sex with him if its brain was in a woman’s body?

And one has to worry about their dogs!

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calochortus  Jul 29, 2017 • 7:55:45pm

re: #57 PhillyPretzel

I have no idea. Most of the time my parents when we went down to Long Beach Island, NJ would head into one of the liquor stores down there. They had a wonderful selection of wines.

NJ would work too. I was just picking a border state. ;)

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451_Montag  Jul 29, 2017 • 7:56:33pm

Our illustrious host get a tweet on Raw story

rawstory.com

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Belafon  Jul 29, 2017 • 7:58:40pm

On the lighter side, Lupita Nyong’o, from Black Panther, went in disguise to wonder around Comic Con.

Pink Ranger:

Kylo Ren:

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 29, 2017 • 8:00:18pm

re: #61 451_Montag

Our illustrious host get a tweet on Raw story

rawstory.com

Yes, but LGF is irrelevant, so.

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nines09  Jul 29, 2017 • 8:01:17pm

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wheat-dogg  Jul 29, 2017 • 8:08:23pm

re: #56 Barefoot Grin

I’d love to go back to Lexington. Yes, I know that just about the time we were leaving Transylvania University was changing the name of a dorm named for Jefferson Davis at the same time someone was opening the Jefferson Davis Pub about a mile away.

I think I’ve told the story here before, but what the hell. One Saturday morning, as good members of the local food co-op, we signed up for roadside cleaning—basically, picking up thousands of cigarette butts on the side of the road. In two hours I had two people actively throw cigarette butts at me on a major road. Now, if you were to drive past the UK Hospital any hour of the day at that time, you’d see multiple people in wheel chairs hauling oxygen tanks (with nurses on break smoking alongside) smoking on the street.

That was before ACA and exchanges, I’m guessings that If they bothered to vote, they probably voted for Bevin.

I loved Kentucky and Lexington, but maybe the most self-defeating place I’ve lived.

Smoking around O2 tanks seems unwise.

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Belafon  Jul 29, 2017 • 8:08:31pm

re: #64 nines09

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I wonder what Trump’s going to think the first time SNL makes fun of Mooch.

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nines09  Jul 29, 2017 • 8:11:54pm

re: #66 Belafon

I wonder what Trump’s going to think the first time SNL makes fun of Mooch.

That the conspiracy lives…

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Kragar  Jul 29, 2017 • 8:13:27pm

re: #66 Belafon

I wonder what Trump’s going to think the first time SNL makes fun of Mooch.

They should have Melissa McCarthy play Mooch

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Pineapple Pizzagate  Jul 29, 2017 • 8:14:01pm

re: #34 calochortus

I know, it’s like they just haven’t noticed that no one is paying attention to what they’re trotting out to distract us.

We’re all paying attention to what they’re trotting out to distract us.
Scaramucci is a rodeo clown.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 29, 2017 • 8:14:06pm

So, the Mooch has some shady connections with a Chinese firm.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 29, 2017 • 8:15:17pm

re: #61 451_Montag

Our illustrious host get a tweet on Raw story

rawstory.com

Ha, this one from George!

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 29, 2017 • 8:15:23pm

re: #65 wheat-dogg

Smoking around O2 tanks seems unwise.

It does, doesn’t it. So does emphysema patients continuing to smoke and to vote to end their own benefits.

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calochortus  Jul 29, 2017 • 8:18:09pm

re: #69 Pineapple Pizzagate

We’re all paying attention to what they’re trotting out to distract us.
Scaramucci is a rodeo clown.

Possibly, but not paying attention to the theme o’ the week.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 29, 2017 • 8:18:41pm

re: #67 nines09

That the conspiracy lives…

This is obviously the Deep State at work. Despite the fact that SNL has made fun of literally every President since the beginning of the damn show.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 29, 2017 • 8:21:02pm

Just realized I cropped a picture from earlier all wrong. This version tells the story more like I saw it at the time.

Subway Witness II ©2017 Daniel Ballard
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FormerDirtDart  Jul 29, 2017 • 8:21:34pm
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jaunte  Jul 29, 2017 • 8:23:12pm

re: #52 MsJ

So if the trump adminstration isn’t scary enough, read this. I guarantee you’ll be shitting your pants when you’r done.

I can’t even copy parts. Read the whole thing.

Fuck. Me.

vanityfair.com

A long explication of Trump era dysfunction applied to just one federal agency. And it’s happening across the board.

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nines09  Jul 29, 2017 • 8:24:23pm

re: #74 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Moves only a Sensei can articulate……If they don’t get to them…..

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Belafon  Jul 29, 2017 • 8:26:58pm
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Stanley Sea  Jul 29, 2017 • 8:29:28pm

re: #79 Belafon

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I saw that!

wha

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 29, 2017 • 8:31:00pm

re: #36 PhillyPretzel

And there are still people in PA who want to make this state dry. They do not seem to understand that Prohibition was repealed and that you cannot legislate behavior.

Philly, I remember the fight put up by the Radical Christinas in the 70s when Pennsylvania’s blue laws were repealed. That action galvanized the Religious Right in PA.

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teleskiguy  Jul 29, 2017 • 8:31:09pm

re: #79 Belafon

That would be a nice thing to have on lawns of large outdoor concert venues. Looks kind of cumbersome to walk around in, though.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 29, 2017 • 8:31:34pm

re: #79 Belafon

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Kragar  Jul 29, 2017 • 8:32:23pm

re: #82 teleskiguy

That would be a nice thing to have on lawns of large outdoor concert venues. Looks kind of cumbersome to walk around in, though.

I could see it workshops and labs

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 29, 2017 • 8:32:45pm

re: #54 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

State law mandated that liquor stores could not sell alcohol on Sundays, but bars could (perhaps having to do with bars also selling food… I haven’t looked into the technicalities). This came up on a referendum in November and passed with flying colors, to be enacted at the beginning of this month. We may be known as a progressive liberal state, but we aren’t as much the shining paragons of the North as I wish we were.

I never understood the restrictions on Sunday sales to liquor stores but not bars.

If I were a traffic cop, I would think it would be much safer for someone to go to the store, buy a bottle, and drink booze at home, rather than go to the bar, drink it there, and drive home drunk.

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Belafon  Jul 29, 2017 • 8:34:05pm

re: #84 Kragar

I could see it workshops and labs

That’s what I see. Places where you walk around to different locations, but then have to stand or sit in place for a while.

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Belafon  Jul 29, 2017 • 8:35:10pm

re: #86 Belafon

Plus, if if they add a motor later, we’re closer to an exoskeleton.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 29, 2017 • 8:38:47pm

re: #84 Kragar

Exo-light. The whole exoskeleton thing is going to be revolutionary from helping the disabled to specialized uses, some of science fiction fame.

Watch a robotic exoskeleton help a stroke patient walk.

But of course
Russia develops military exoskeleton to give soldiers superhuman capabilities

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Stanley Sea  Jul 29, 2017 • 8:40:10pm
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FormerDirtDart  Jul 29, 2017 • 8:42:35pm

re: #83 Stanley Sea

I have a feeling airlines will be interested.

They already have “vertical” seating

Going to the restroom is gonna be a nightmare

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Kragar  Jul 29, 2017 • 8:42:36pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 29, 2017 • 8:42:59pm

re: #89 Stanley Sea

JFC every single guy is dirty. It’s as if House Of Cards was a Sopranos spinoff. Except of course this is real af.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 29, 2017 • 8:43:34pm

re: #90 FormerDirtDart

They already have “vertical” seating

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Going to the restroom is gonna be a nightmare

Scary

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No Depression  Jul 29, 2017 • 8:44:25pm

re: #90 FormerDirtDart

They already have “vertical” seating

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Going to the restroom is gonna be a nightmare

Fuck. That. Shit.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 29, 2017 • 8:44:29pm

re: #91 Kragar

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I heard his name floated as new Homeland Security.

Hopefully I heard it from a twitter idiot.

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calochortus  Jul 29, 2017 • 8:44:49pm

re: #89 Stanley Sea

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There just isn’t an end to all this corruption, is there? The mind boggles.

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darthstar  Jul 29, 2017 • 8:45:17pm

Pupdate

photos.app.goo.gl

Only have my phone so you’ll have to be okay with a link.

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MsJ  Jul 29, 2017 • 8:47:08pm

re: #88 Unshaken Defiance

Exo-light. The whole exoskeleton thing is going to be revolutionary from helping the disabled to specialized uses, some of science fiction fame.

Watch a robotic exoskeleton help a stroke patient walk.

But of course
Russia develops military exoskeleton to give soldiers superhuman capabilities

Tim Cruise best em to it.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 29, 2017 • 8:48:12pm

re: #92 Unshaken Defiance

JFC every single guy is dirty. It’s as if House Of Cards was a Sopranos spinoff. Except of course this is real af.

Businessmen in Govt!

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majii  Jul 29, 2017 • 8:49:14pm

re: #36 PhillyPretzel

“And there are still people in PA who want to make this state dry. They do not seem to understand that Prohibition was repealed and that you cannot legislate behavior.”

The same thing happened here in GA. There was a huge freakout by RW lawmakers and their supporters when citizens wanted the lottery, and another one when citizens wanted alcohol sales on Sunday. Both happened, and best of all, none of the things that RW lawmakers and their supporters predicted has ever happened. They truly do think they can legislate behavior, and that the bad things they believe will happen. They get on my last nerve with their manufactured outrage about things that really don’t affect them and their penchant for trying to control what others do.

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nines09  Jul 29, 2017 • 8:53:05pm

re: #90 FormerDirtDart

They already have “vertical” seating

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Going to the restroom is gonna be a nightmare

Catheters…

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sagehen  Jul 29, 2017 • 8:53:44pm

re: #52 MsJ

So if the trump adminstration isn’t scary enough, read this. I guarantee you’ll be shitting your pants when you’r done.

I can’t even copy parts. Read the whole thing.

Fuck. Me.

vanityfair.com

The scariest part to me was they let go the CFO, who does all the budgets… and is the only person who knows which of our nuclear weapons and uranium enrichment facilities need maintenance and what maintenance exactly and when, and what parts are needed for that maintenance and what suppliers have those parts…

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Belafon  Jul 29, 2017 • 8:53:49pm

re: #98 MsJ

This is one I’m thinking of, from Aliens:

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 29, 2017 • 8:54:24pm

re: #96 calochortus

There just isn’t an end to all this corruption, is there? The mind boggles.

With the exception of President Eisenhower, there has never been a GOP president that was elected in my lifetime that did not do something that would be considered criminal. None.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 29, 2017 • 8:54:28pm

re: #97 darthstar

Pupdate

photos.app.goo.gl

Only have my phone so you’ll have to be okay with a link.

OMG What’s his nom de guerre??

Also, only one photo? please.

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jaunte  Jul 29, 2017 • 8:55:53pm

re: #97 darthstar

You can really see why they call them blue heelers.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 29, 2017 • 8:59:35pm

re: #93 Stanley Sea

Scary

re: #94 No Depression

Fuck. That. Shit.

re: #101 nines09

Catheters…

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Stanley Sea  Jul 29, 2017 • 8:59:44pm

re: #101 nines09

Catheters…

Future air travel will include pre-board knock out drug.

Remember the Stephen King short “The Jaunt”

??

en.wikipedia.org

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jaunte  Jul 29, 2017 • 9:00:35pm

re: #107 FormerDirtDart

They could eliminate the tray and get another 5 or 6 inches out.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 29, 2017 • 9:00:43pm

re: #101 nines09

May as well put that in while they do the secondary search. ///
How did we get here?

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calochortus  Jul 29, 2017 • 9:01:06pm

re: #108 Stanley Sea

Actually, I’m extremely unenthused about flying, so being rendered unconscious would be a good thing.

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jaunte  Jul 29, 2017 • 9:02:28pm

Helpfully hashtagged #satire

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Dave In Austin  Jul 29, 2017 • 9:02:58pm

re: #107 FormerDirtDart

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Trains…..

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sagehen  Jul 29, 2017 • 9:05:06pm

re: #104 Anymouse 🌹

With the exception of President Eisenhower, there has never been a GOP president that was elected in my lifetime that did not do something that would be considered criminal. None.

Ahem. Gerald Ford.

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Kragar  Jul 29, 2017 • 9:05:18pm
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calochortus  Jul 29, 2017 • 9:05:32pm

re: #114 sagehen

Ahem. Gerald Ford.

True.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 29, 2017 • 9:06:30pm

Governor Ricketts released a comment today on the issue of the 50% beef tariff Japan is imposing.

(That will be a massive hit to our state economy.)

He is calling on the Trump (mal)Administration to put pressure on Japan.

Good luck with that.

governor.nebraska.gov

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sagehen  Jul 29, 2017 • 9:06:31pm

re: #114 sagehen

Ahem. Gerald Ford.

Oh, wait. He wasn’t elected President. So your argument still stands.

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nines09  Jul 29, 2017 • 9:06:46pm

re: #110 Unshaken Defiance

May as well put that in while they do the secondary search. ///
How did we get here?

Waxes, lubed or sanded, sir? Finished Luxury Tip or complimentary ‘EEYYYAAAA” model?

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Stanley Sea  Jul 29, 2017 • 9:07:05pm

re: #111 calochortus

Actually, I’m extremely unenthused about flying, so being rendered unconscious would be a good thing.

That was an insane King story - read the wiki, it sums it up well.

Still sticks with me after all these years.

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calochortus  Jul 29, 2017 • 9:07:52pm

re: #120 Stanley Sea

That was an insane King story - read the wiki, it sums it up well.

Still sticks with me after all these years.

I did read it. Scary.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 29, 2017 • 9:08:13pm

re: #104 Anymouse

Remind me what was HW Bush’s crime? I forget.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 29, 2017 • 9:08:31pm

re: #120 Stanley Sea

That was an insane King story - read the wiki, it sums it up well.

Still sticks with me after all these years.

But yeah, application to travel would work!

One thing I’ve found, after living in CA & traveling back east for 20 years, now there are many non-stops. I’m going in Nov & got each way non-stop 4-5 hrs. There never used to be. Always Dallas for plane change & for thrills, Denver or Pittsburgh. Wonder what created that change?

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 29, 2017 • 9:09:15pm

Current Mood

Iframe

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 29, 2017 • 9:09:27pm

re: #109 jaunte

They could eliminate the tray and get another 5 or 6 inches out.

A judge has ordered the FAA to investigate possible regulation of seat size and spacing.

washingtonpost.com

Aside from the deluge of complaints from passengers, the issue is safety regarding egress from an aeroplane in an emergency.

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retired cynic  Jul 29, 2017 • 9:10:00pm

re: #122 Unshaken Defiance

Remind me what was HW Bush’s crime? I forget.

Iran Contra, and then pardoning them.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jul 29, 2017 • 9:10:56pm

re: #101 nines09

Catheters…

Diapers are cheaper.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Jul 29, 2017 • 9:11:36pm

Gary Varvel, Indianapolis Star

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Kragar  Jul 29, 2017 • 9:12:16pm

re: #124 Unshaken Defiance

Current Mood

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AWOLNATION - Burn It Down (Official Video)

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retired cynic  Jul 29, 2017 • 9:12:34pm

re: #128 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Does anyone else see Michael Jackson’s nose when looking at a photo of the Mooch?

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calochortus  Jul 29, 2017 • 9:14:33pm

I’m going to say good night.

Hasta mañana, Lizards.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 29, 2017 • 9:14:57pm

re: #126 retired cynic

Iran Contra, and then pardoning them.

Oh right, I was thinking of Iran Contra as a Reagan thing only.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 29, 2017 • 9:19:07pm

re: #122 Unshaken Defiance

Remind me what was HW Bush’s crime? I forget.

Invasion of Panama, Vice-President under Ronald Reagan (Iran-Contra, Bush like Reagan claimed he was “out of the loop” on the diversion of funds, pardoned six people implicated, including Casper Weinberger who was about to stand trial, and Elliot Abrams, Robert McFarland, &c)

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Stanley Sea  Jul 29, 2017 • 9:20:09pm

Our lovely world.

I hated how they treated Kennedy, therefore, I will stand up for McCain.

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sagehen  Jul 29, 2017 • 9:20:40pm

re: #125 Anymouse 🌹

A judge has ordered the FAA to investigate possible regulation of seat size and spacing.

washingtonpost.com

Aside from the deluge of complaints from passengers, the issue is safety regarding egress from an aeroplane in an emergency.

You’re an American. You shouldn’t be spelling it aeroplane.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 29, 2017 • 9:21:59pm

re: #134 Stanley Sea

Our lovely world.

I hated how they treated Kennedy, therefore, I will stand up for McCain.

We go high, &c &c. I disagree with many of Senator McCain’s policy positions.

I do not need to make up crap about him.

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retired cynic  Jul 29, 2017 • 9:22:45pm

re: #135 sagehen

You’re an American. You shouldn’t be spelling it aeroplane.

His computer is set for British English for his job.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 29, 2017 • 9:25:54pm

re: #135 sagehen

You’re an American. You shouldn’t be spelling it aeroplane.

My dictionary is set to UK English, as my publisher requires that. I don’t normally bother changing spellings for words or phrases such as cheque or centre.

(Lots of people around here accuse me of having a Canadian accent, though I’m pretty sure a Canadian wouldn’t confuse my speech as Canadian English.)

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teleskiguy  Jul 29, 2017 • 9:25:57pm

re: #135 sagehen

You’re an American. You shouldn’t be spelling it aeroplane.

Can’t tell if your joking or not, but why the hell should people spell words a certain way because they’re from a certain country? Fuckin’ stupid jingoistic bullshit.

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TedStriker  Jul 29, 2017 • 9:33:47pm

re: #135 sagehen

You’re an American. You shouldn’t be spelling it aeroplane.

As said above, Anymouse’s language settings are set for UK/Canadian English for his writing/editing gig, so I imagine his autocorrect does a lot of that.

Otherwise, who gives a damn…

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Stanley Sea  Jul 29, 2017 • 9:35:03pm

Wheeeee!

So important shit. Chickens are safe, cats didn’t eat all the food & there was a cat fight heard at around 4…..

Dogs are those hippy like Goldens, so no stress. The young one, Apollo brought a huge branch into the house. It stays.

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TedStriker  Jul 29, 2017 • 9:35:40pm

re: #138 Anymouse 🌹

My dictionary is set to UK English, as my publisher requires that. I don’t normally bother changing spellings for words or phrases such as cheque or centre.

(Lots of people around here accuse me of having a Canadian accent, though I’m pretty sure a Canadian wouldn’t confuse my speech as Canadian English.)

Eh, you’re still a hoser…you have any back bacon or tuques to spare?

///

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petesh  Jul 29, 2017 • 9:37:21pm

re: #139 teleskiguy

Can’t tell if your joking or not, but why the hell should people spell words a certain way because they’re from a certain country? Fuckin’ stupid jingoistic bullshit.

Raised & educated British, lived in the US more than half my life (and not going back save the odd visit), I’m bilingual in understanding but occasionally use the wrong term. Some of my British friends complain when I use American spelling. And the occasional illiterate American thinks I’m talking British when I’m jes’ talkin’ all grammatical-like. These things are unimportant. But occasionally amusing.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 29, 2017 • 9:38:06pm

re: #143 petesh

Raised & educated British, lived in the US more than half my life (and not going back save the odd visit), I’m bilingual in understanding but occasionally use the wrong term. Some of my British friends complain when I use American spelling. And the occasional illiterate American thinks I’m talking British when I’m jes’ talkin’ all grammatical-like. These things are unimportant. But occasionally amusing.

Traveling or Travelling?

I hate that one

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teleskiguy  Jul 29, 2017 • 9:40:28pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 29, 2017 • 9:40:51pm

Save us from English to English translations. Or transliterations. Next thing you know Trump will ban them from the military.

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Kragar  Jul 29, 2017 • 9:47:05pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 29, 2017 • 9:48:13pm

re: #142 TedStriker

Eh, you’re still a hoser…you have any back bacon or tuques to spare?

///

No, but my wife makes pretty mean poutine. (Curry poutine will get up off the plate and strangle you.) (::

re: #139 teleskiguy

Can’t tell if your joking or not, but why the hell should people spell words a certain way because they’re from a certain country? Fuckin’ stupid jingoistic bullshit.

I only took it as a question, not jingoism. Since I do live in the USA, seeing words such as “aeroplane” or “whinge” might look a bit unfamiliar.

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JordanRules  Jul 29, 2017 • 9:50:01pm

The replies here are glorious!

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MsJ  Jul 29, 2017 • 10:02:09pm

re: #114 sagehen

Ahem. Gerald Ford.

Pardoned Nixon.

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MsJ  Jul 29, 2017 • 10:07:09pm

re: #141 Stanley Sea

Wheeeee!

So important shit. Chickens are safe, cats didn’t eat all the food & there was a cat fight heard at around 4…..

Dogs are those hippy like Goldens, so no stress. The young one, Apollo brought a huge branch into the house. It stays.

How were the eggs?

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piratedan  Jul 29, 2017 • 10:13:29pm

re: #150 MsJ

oftened wondered what the political landscape might look like if they hadn’t pardoned Nixon…

to this day it seems that many GOPers don’t think he did anything wrong… which just shows that they have a seriously warped idea of ethics and morals over there that is at the core of a LOT of their issues.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 29, 2017 • 10:15:05pm

re: #151 MsJ

How were the eggs?

I did not go get bacon. I made an egg salad to die for.

Have you ever seen this mayo? it’s what they had. Amazing. AMAZING (Japanese market or online)

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Stanley Sea  Jul 29, 2017 • 10:15:52pm

re: #151 MsJ

How were the eggs?

Oh, and I pulled 4 more this morning.

Feed ya family, get chickens.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 29, 2017 • 10:21:05pm

re: #152 piratedan

oftened wondered what the political landscape might look like if they hadn’t pardoned Nixon…

to this day it seems that many GOPers don’t think he did anything wrong… which just shows that they have a seriously warped idea of ethics and morals over there that is at the core of a LOT of their issues.

The GOP also got very upset that Nixon’s hatchetman in the Saturday Night Massacre, Robert Bork, didn’t get a Supreme Court seat. (They seem to think Bork should have been rewarded for firing Special Prosecutor Archibald Cox.)

My guess would be they’ll feel the same way about whoever is put up to firing Robert Muller as Special Counsel (if it comes to that).

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MsJ  Jul 29, 2017 • 10:25:45pm

re: #152 piratedan

oftened wondered what the political landscape might look like if they hadn’t pardoned Nixon…

to this day it seems that many GOPers don’t think he did anything wrong… which just shows that they have a seriously warped idea of ethics and morals over there that is at the core of a LOT of their issues.

There has to be consequences. And there especially have to be consequences for trump. If this slides there is no rules of law.

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MsJ  Jul 29, 2017 • 10:26:42pm
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JordanRules  Jul 29, 2017 • 10:32:17pm

re: #156 MsJ

Yes!! We are at the point where rule of law and equal justice has to be strongly affirmed.

It’s been set aside for most of the good ole boys government club for too long and it’s part of the reason we are here.

I sometimes think about if a white male could’ve had more leeway to pursue some obvious crimes of the Dubya admin. I do not think, sad as it is, the Obama or an HRC admin could do it without losing too much.

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piratedan  Jul 29, 2017 • 10:33:19pm

re: #156 MsJ

I do not disagree at all…

to be honest, I don’t want ANYBODY skating. I want EVERYONE involved…

The Trump Campaign
The GOP leadership (if it can be proven that they took illegal money/targeted voter disenfranchisement/colluded-conspired with a foreign power)
The Media - namely those folks that coordinated with the Russians to damage the Clinton campaign and made the decisions to alter the focus on what was covered.

I went it down in stone, if you act with a foreign government to influence our national elections, its a crime and if proven, your ass is in jail.

period.

I’m still waiting on the subpeona for Clinton indicating just how she broke the law and what law was broken with the entire e-mail issue. What specifically did she do that was against the law. To my mind, no one has ever indicated what she did (not what was sent to her that was in violation) that equaled a crime.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 29, 2017 • 10:37:13pm

re: #157 MsJ

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He’s going to go down in flames. Appropriate & welcome.

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No Depression  Jul 29, 2017 • 10:37:36pm

re: #149 JordanRules

The replies here are glorious!

[Embedded content]

Thanks to the efforts of the NYPD, Dorito bags everywhere in the city can now sleep soundly.

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JordanRules  Jul 29, 2017 • 10:38:40pm

re: #157 MsJ

Come thruuuuuuu Senator ‘IDGAF any more’!!!!

I’m not granting him a pass on other things. I’m not reading too much into what may come after this interview. I’m just enjoying the fuck out of this sentiment being expressed at all by ‘that one’s’ formal rival.

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JordanRules  Jul 29, 2017 • 10:43:31pm

re: #162 JordanRules

Just saw this was an old interview. Would mean a lot if he strongly affirmed this given all of the dangerous fuckery that’s happened since then. Or….it may not mean much but I’d surely enjoy it!

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 29, 2017 • 11:03:01pm

re: #159 piratedan

On criminal activity, if shown:

(clip)

The Media - namely those folks that coordinated with the Russians to damage the Clinton campaign and made the decisions to alter the focus on what was covered.

I’m not too sure I want to go there. As far as the media is concerned, the press is covered by the I Amendment. Note that Daniel Ellison absolutely broke the law with the Pentagon Papers and the government tried to go after the New York Times for printing them.

If the government or its lawyers can determine that “this media outlet is covered by the I Amendment but this one is not” then we have abandoned freedom of the press.

Does interviewing a Daesh fighter then printing an article about it constitute support for terrorism? Does taking an advert from a foreign country or foreign power constitute sedition? Is playing a clip on a news programme from the BBC or RT or Al Jazeera about US politics trying to influence elections? How about writing an op-ed or a letter to the editor of a newspaper?

If you take freedom of the press away from someone else, then someone else can take it from you. There are foreigners who post here at Little Green Footballs. Are they trying to influence elections, or are they colluding with a political party, or are they just expressing political opinions about American politics?

I don’t want to open that can of worms, because it would allow shuttering of “opposition media” outlets.

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Kragar  Jul 29, 2017 • 11:04:18pm
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BeachDem  Jul 29, 2017 • 11:07:28pm

re: #162 JordanRules

Come thruuuuuuu Senator ‘IDGAF any more’!!!!

I’m not granting him a pass on other things. I’m not reading too much into what may come after this interview. I’m just enjoying the fuck out of this sentiment being expressed at all by ‘that one’s’ formal rival.

I wonder how things are with his BFF Lindsey these days. Things are probably a bit “chilly,” I’d guess.

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JordanRules  Jul 29, 2017 • 11:10:27pm

re: #165 Kragar

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JordanRules  Jul 29, 2017 • 11:13:03pm
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piratedan  Jul 29, 2017 • 11:15:17pm

re: #164 Anymouse 🌹

c’mon now…

what I’m talking about is how the story that the Trump campaign was in cahoots with the Russian government, the money ties that were omnipresent, the financial relationships that were long established and in place…

now, compare what reported about those stories with the amount of column spaces that were allocated to the Clinton e-mail “scandal”

someone is making that decision, I think it’s certainly acceptable to find out if someone was paid to make that decision.

If not, fine, we can readily chalk it up to CDS, but I do believe its fair for the question to be asked and determined if true.

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Kragar  Jul 29, 2017 • 11:22:24pm
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Amory Blaine  Jul 29, 2017 • 11:23:16pm

I gotta say, I saw a lotta love at the Roger Waters show tonight.

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JordanRules  Jul 29, 2017 • 11:36:26pm

re: #169 piratedan

Mmmhmm.
These organizations who fall under profit model rule with scant regulation cannot be granted a nostalgic pass just for existing in the open media universe. That would continue to be an oversight of epic proportions.

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piratedan  Jul 29, 2017 • 11:44:07pm

re: #172 JordanRules

well, I think what I’m getting at is trying to determine if there’s any difference between journalism and propaganda…

what I want to know is are the editors that slanted the coverage at the NYT (or even CNN or any other media outlet) getting payola to slant their coverage. Seems to me that doing so would be a violation of certain FCC rules.

Don’t get me wrong, if your hatred of all things Democratic party allows you a soapbox to wax rhapsodic regarding all of her sinister ways that’s one thing, see Breitbart or The New Republic… but if you’re supposed to be representing the supposed paper of record and you’re being slipped money under the table to push certain narratives and suppress others, I think that the public should have a right to have that exposed.

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JordanRules  Jul 29, 2017 • 11:52:39pm

re: #173 piratedan

Agreed. And I think nostalgia about how media was previously regulated and largely regarded sometimes leads to knee-jerk defenses of it as a special industry. They still hold some lawful business exceptions and they are living off the fumes of their past glory but the new work product is much more likely to fall victim to the real business model they now operate under.

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sagehen  Jul 30, 2017 • 12:13:18am

re: #168 JordanRules

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Dr Dre gave $10 million to Compton High School (his alma mater).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 30, 2017 • 12:14:38am

re: #30 jaunte

Trump once again sees trade as a win-lose proposition, with whoever is selling being the winner and the buyer the loser. This is idiocy.

There was a Golden Age when America sold industrial products to the rest of the world in exchange for cheap natural resources. That seems to be his idea of beneficial trade.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 30, 2017 • 12:15:49am

re: #38 PhillyPretzel

In PA one has to wait until 12 noon before buying alcohol.

That was the law for Arizona on Sundays as well.

It was originally promulgated to keep people from getting drunk and disrupting church services.

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Kragar  Jul 30, 2017 • 12:19:12am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 30, 2017 • 12:20:13am

re: #169 piratedan

c’mon now…

what I’m talking about is how the story that the Trump campaign was in cahoots with the Russian government, the money ties that were omnipresent, the financial relationships that were long established and in place…

now, compare what reported about those stories with the amount of column spaces that were allocated to the Clinton e-mail “scandal”

someone is making that decision, I think it’s certainly acceptable to find out if someone was paid to make that decision.

If not, fine, we can readily chalk it up to CDS, but I do believe its fair for the question to be asked and determined if true.

As it happens, it is not illegal for writer to write a series of one-sided stories. It is also not illegal to pay a writer to write a story. It is not even illegal for a foreigner to pay a writer to write a story.

If you have an honest publisher or editor, the proper response in finding out a writer is subverting your news outlet is to fire that person.

On the issue of Hillary Clinton and the endless E-mails, that was pushed long before she announced she was going to run for office. Do we go after all the writers that wrote about that story, or just the ones who wrote a bunch of articles about it? How many articles is too many articles? Jail for ten, a fine for five, no crime for one?

As much as I despise how that story took off, I do not want writers placed in the position of having to wonder if “this is the article that gets me put in jail, so I better not write it.”

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 30, 2017 • 12:23:28am

re: #178 Kragar

Wayne Allen Root is an idiot. Did he interview a sufficient number of “straight men” to be able to determine “most straight men are afraid of transgender people?”

That argument has been used by conservatives throughout history to suppress minority groups, be they of Slavic, African, Asian, Native, or any other sort of descent. Root probably wouldn’t know a transgender person if he was sitting next to one on a bus.

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piratedan  Jul 30, 2017 • 12:27:02am

re: #179 Anymouse 🌹

I want to be clear here, I’m not as much concerned with the writers, guess what, writers/juornos get assigned stories by editors. Guess who I am concerned with?

perhaps I’m naive in wanting my free press to be free of outside forces setting an agenda instead of free to the highest bidder

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Kragar  Jul 30, 2017 • 12:27:14am

re: #180 Anymouse 🌹

Wayne Allen Root is an idiot. Did he interview a sufficient number of “straight men” to be able to determine “most straight men are afraid of transgender people?”

That argument has been used by conservatives throughout history to suppress minority groups, be they of Slavic, African, Asian, Native, or any other sort of descent. Root probably wouldn’t know a transgender person if he was sitting next to one on a bus.

Wayne checked out a cute ass once at a bar in college, then realized it was a guy, and never recovered.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 30, 2017 • 12:32:20am

re: #182 Kragar

Wayne checked out a cute ass once at a bar in college, then realized it was a guy only after he woke up next to him the following morning, and never recovered.

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ericblair  Jul 30, 2017 • 12:38:29am

re: #179 Anymouse 🌹

As it happens, it is not illegal for writer to write a series of one-sided stories. It is also not illegal to pay a writer to write a story. It is not even illegal for a foreigner to pay a writer to write a story.

However, what we’re talking about here is a multimillion dollar foreign-enabled military psyop, the results of which were designed to eliminate those rights that allowed it to happen in the first place. Under the Russian security strategy, this is considered to be an act of war.

Of course there is a judgment call involved to differentiate it from a journalist saying something people in power dislike, but the legal system makes these distinctions all the time. To say that you are disallowing all discretion by the legal system means you believe the legal system is completely compromised and broken, which would seem to be a much bigger problem than the original one.

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sagehen  Jul 30, 2017 • 12:38:40am

re: #181 piratedan

I want to be clear here, I’m not as much concerned with the writers, guess what, writers/juornos get assigned stories by editors. Guess who I am concerned with?

perhaps I’m naive in wanting my free press to be free of outside forces setting an agenda instead of free to the highest bidder

A lovely thought.

But Fox News and Sinclair Media, as privately owned companies, can promote whatever editorial policy suits their owners’ whims. William Randolph Hearst used his many newspapers to deliberately foment an anti-marijuana panic, mostly because he thought hemp posed a competitive threat to his timber interests.

The only available remedy to dishonest “journalists” is exposure and embarrassment; like when Armstrong Williams used to pretend to be an independent writer with his own point of view, and it turned out his syndicated column took payment to promote somebody’s preferred positions.

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Kragar  Jul 30, 2017 • 12:39:28am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 30, 2017 • 12:43:19am

re: #181 piratedan

I want to be clear here, I’m not as much concerned with the writers, guess what, writers/juornos get assigned stories by editors. Guess who I am concerned with?

perhaps I’m naive in wanting my free press to be free of outside forces setting an agenda instead of free to the highest bidder

All publishers have an agenda of sorts. So do editors. They choose what direction an outlet will go, what stories are important, even what style manual will be used for writing.

If a government could choose, for example, that a newspaper gave “too much column space” to Benghazi or E-mails or whatnot, that same government can choose that a newspaper gives too much column space to Russia investigations or money-laundering.

If a free press is “free of outside forces,” it is not free. All sorts of forces have been brought to bear on the press throughout the nation’s history, including readers who vote with their money.

“The press” does not exist in some sort of absolute truth vacuum. Outlets report on things they think their readers or viewers have an interest in. I have zero desire to see the government regulate anything beyond criminal activity (inciting violence, &c).

Here’s an example: Cannabis is unlawful under Federal law (whether we like that or not). High Times magazine continually reports on all sorts of things about cannabis.

It would appear to me that if you say reporting on something about a politician the public seems interested in (even if that thing is not true) is somehow different than reporting on something that is clearly criminal activity (even if you don’t think it should be), then you are making a special pleading argument for reporting.

The New York Times reporting on Hillary Clinton’s nonsensical E-mail scandal should result in writers or editors being jailed, but High Times reporting on (and encouraging) criminal activity should be protected speech.

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Kragar  Jul 30, 2017 • 12:43:48am
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piratedan  Jul 30, 2017 • 12:48:20am

re: #187 Anymouse 🌹

I am not saying that people should be jailed on writing about HRC and her e-mail issue, I think I’ve stated that multiple times…

I’m saying if people were in the paid employ of a foreign government and influencing our media, say in an equivalency to the payola scandal of the 1950s, then that should be exposed. If any penalties apply, enforce them, if laws were violated, prosecute them

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 30, 2017 • 12:57:25am

re: #189 piratedan

I am not saying that people should be jailed on writing about HRC and her e-mail issue, I think I’ve stated that multiple times…

I’m saying if people were in the paid employ of a foreign government and influencing our media, say in an equivalency to the payola scandal of the 1950s, then that should be exposed. If any penalties apply, enforce them, if laws were violated, prosecute them

I am not a lawyer, but I can’t think of any law that prohibits foreigners or foreign powers from trying to influence the media in the country.

When the Venezuelan Embassy, for example, creates a press release to assert or clarify its position on a subject, it is trying to influence people in this country. If a news outlet runs that press release, does that make the news outlet complicit in Venezuelan government policy?

I’m unclear on what payola scandal to which you refer.

Back to my previous argument: High Times promotes criminal activity. Should we arrest their writers and publisher?

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William Lewis  Jul 30, 2017 • 12:59:01am

re: #181 piratedan

To paraphrase Hunter S Thompson, the only objective journalism is in the box scores.

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piratedan  Jul 30, 2017 • 1:01:12am

re: #190 Anymouse 🌹

the payola scandal is what nearly killed Rock and Roll in its cradle..

at the time it was illegal to pay DJ’s to play records on the radio… namely pay for play. The same thing that the Trump folks are guilty of with their Foundation and what they accused The Clinton Foundation of…

namely, being paid to facilitate access, call it being paid to create fake news.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 30, 2017 • 1:06:33am

re: #192 piratedan

the payola scandal is what nearly killed Rock and Roll in its cradle..

at the time it was illegal to pay DJ’s to play records on the radio… namely pay for play. The same thing that the Trump folks are guilty of with their Foundation and what they accused The Clinton Foundation of…

namely, being paid to facilitate access, call it being paid to create fake news.

Thank you for clarifying the payola scandal. I was unfamiliar with that.

If I had a printing press, I can pretty much print anything I wanted. Others can pay me to print things, subject only to my choosing to print them. As long as I am not advocating for criminal activity, or slandering someone or some entity, it is not illegal and protected by the I Amendment. (A whole bunch of religions would go down under your scenario for promoting falsehoods.)

It can be demonstrated that High Times promotes criminal activity. You are avoiding answering the example. Should they be rounded up for promoting criminal activity, yes or no? Under your claim, they should all be in jail. There are specific laws on the books against promoting criminal activity. So, should AG Sessions go after them or not, for clearly promoting crime?

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piratedan  Jul 30, 2017 • 1:12:04am

re: #193 Anymouse 🌹

well, I guess its a matter of what you choose to prosecute…

if you want to say that misdemeanor use of marijuana should come to the attention of whatever agency enforces those particular laws (say like National Lampoon and their use of nudity in their panels that caused them to be placed, like High Times into the restricted adult section) then no, I think that’s picayune shit..

for some reason I don’t find that as having any equivalency as say treasonous activity for misleading the public and influencing a national election, naturally, ymmv.

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JordanRules  Jul 30, 2017 • 1:16:34am

One can say, there is a loophole here and advocate fixing it.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 30, 2017 • 1:20:34am

re: #194 piratedan

well, I guess its a matter of what you choose to prosecute…

if you want to say that misdemeanor use of marijuana should come to the attention of whatever agency enforces those particular laws (say like National Lampoon and their use of nudity in their panels that caused them to be placed, like High Times into the restricted adult section) then no, I think that’s picayune shit..

for some reason I don’t find that as having any equivalency as say treasonous activity for misleading the public and influencing a national election, naturally, ymmv.

Cultivation of cannabis (even for personal use) under Federal law is a Felony. Sale of paraphernalia is also a Felony. Possession over two offences is a Felony.

Promoting Felonies is a Felony. Doing that in concert (several writers, editors, and a publisher) is a conspiracy to commit a Felony.

Indeed, prosecution is up to the discretion of a prosecutor. You’ve still dodged the question. High Times argues they have a I Amendment right. Federal law says they are promoting a crime. Should they be prosecuted for promoting Felonies?

If your argument is no, then you are engaging in special pleading. High Times is exempt from a provable Federal offence, but a newspaper with a slant but not breaking a law (at least one I am aware of) should be prosecuted.

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Amory Blaine  Jul 30, 2017 • 1:22:38am

With Trump-trashing spectacle, Roger Waters divides in Milwaukee, and conquers

Here’s something you don’t see at every concert: someone actually screaming “(Expletive) you” at the performer a dozen times while flipping him the bird.

That’s what the guy in front of me did at Pink Floyd co-founder Roger Waters’ first Milwaukee show in a decade Saturday night, at the BMO Harris Bradley Center.

To paraphrase Lisa Simpson, why would he buy a ticket just to boo Waters? The intense reaction was actually a response to Waters’ own seething kiss off aimed at President Donald Trump during “Pigs (Three Different Ones),” from Pink Floyd’s “Animals.”

On a wall of screens running through the middle of the arena, a photoshopped Trump appeared as a baby grabbing a cat, a doll cradled by Vladimir Putin, a KKK member, and as Adolf Hitler, while a pig brandishing Trump’s face with smeared black dollar signs over his eyes floated over the crowd.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 30, 2017 • 1:22:54am

Federal law on cannabis:

norml.org

NORML, by the way, also promotes criminal activity (whether you believe it should be a crime or not). Should we round up those activists?

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piratedan  Jul 30, 2017 • 1:33:30am

re: #196 Anymouse 🌹

if you want to make the two equivalent, the felony for the promotion of the sale and use of cannibis to that of say, libel, racketeering, treason, election fraud

feel free to do so… you get back to me when states go ahead and authorize treason as a state and local statute.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 30, 2017 • 1:34:46am

re: #187 Anymouse 🌹

We need a Ministry of Fairness and Balance.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 30, 2017 • 1:40:14am

re: #200 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Well, we did have a Fairness Doctrine, but Ronald Reagan’s administration obliterated that.

re: #199 piratedan

if you want to make the two equivalent, the felony for the promotion of the sale and use of cannibis to that of say, libel, racketeering, treason, election fraud

feel free to do so… you get back to me when states go ahead and authorize treason as a state and local statute.

law.justia.com

(Treason is a state crime in Nebraska.)

en.wikipedia.org

It is a state crime in most states (and under tribal laws as well).

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William Lewis  Jul 30, 2017 • 1:40:19am

re: #199 piratedan

A far better solution would be to require kids to have debate, rehetoric & practical logic classes as graduation requirements. Teach them to think instead of trying to criminalize constitutionally protected speech.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 30, 2017 • 2:03:49am

re: #201 Anymouse 🌹

Well, we did have a Fairness Doctrine, but Ronald Reagan’s administration obliterated that.

There was a time when there were a limited number of broadcasters, and the costs were prohibitively high for many.

Now there are as many “broadcasters” as there are IP addresses and the costs are minimal.

And it means that people can now insulate themselves from any sort of reporting that does not fit their preconceived notions.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 30, 2017 • 2:09:00am

re: #203 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There was a time when there were a limited number of broadcasters, and the costs were prohibitively high for many.

Now there are as many “broadcasters” as there are IP addresses and the costs are minimal.

And it means that people can now insulate themselves from any sort of reporting that does not fit their preconceived notions.

That’s where the Fairness Doctrine would fall apart nowadays; it costs next to nothing to register a domain name and start publishing the most outrageous bullshit; and of course, there’s always going to be a market for that outrageous bullshit.

The ulimate niche information marketplace - literally something for everybody.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 30, 2017 • 2:19:16am

re: #204 Dr Lizardo

That’s where the Fairness Doctrine would fall apart nowadays; it costs next to nothing to register a domain name and start publishing the most outrageous bullshit; and of course, there’s always going to be a market for that outrageous bullshit.

The ulimate niche information marketplace - literally something for everybody.

And the established broadcasters find themselves forced to cut costs to keep up, which diminishes their quality of reporting.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jul 30, 2017 • 2:22:40am

re: #203 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There was a time when there were a limited number of broadcasters, and the costs were prohibitively high for many.

Now there are as many “broadcasters” as there are IP addresses and the costs are minimal.

And it means that people can now insulate themselves from any sort of reporting that does not fit their preconceived notions.

There is that. And it works both ways (I suspect for example the denizens of Mr. Johnson’s hospitality here do not spend copious amounts of time at places like Barb Wire or Daily Caller either.)

Costs being minimal depend on where you live though. Large swaths of the nation do not have inexpensive access to the Internet or have things like cell service. (I’ve held forth on this before so I won’t do it again.)

I would note though that conservatism thrives on a lack of education or reason: It was precisely for that reason a few years ago that the Texas GOP inserted a plank in its platform to eliminate teaching critical thinking to children in school as “undermining parental authority.”

It is why all manners of religious groups want to equate their faith with science in education.

Such things lead many to believe that atheists are evil and criminal, epileptics are demon-possessed, or Slavs are mentally inferior (I’ve gotten all those, and my divorce was predicated on the second one up there, secular court system be damned).

I need to hit the rack for now … I had a long day wrestling with the water system, and negotiating with the state over what we’re going to do about it. (Here: a day and a half of state school, now fix our paperwork nightmare going back forty years and five pages of state discrepancies.)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 30, 2017 • 2:25:13am

re: #206 Anymouse 🌹

There is that. And it works both ways (I suspect for example the denizens of Mr. Johnson’s hospitality here do not spend copious amounts of time at places like Barb Wire or Daily Caller either.)

I regularly check in at Fox and Newsmax for the same reason I used to read Pravda and Izvestiya: to find out what the Party Line and Talking points are for a particular issue.

And when we see the two former start to turn on Trump, we will know the game is up…

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 30, 2017 • 2:28:54am

re: #206 Anymouse 🌹

You mentioned about Slavs in your posting. One thing I noticed in reading the comments sections of the Daily Mail or The Express in the run-up to last year’s Brexit referendum was a great deal of anti-Slavic prejudice. The occasional complaint about Muslims (naturally) but they were vastly outweighed by bigoted comments regarding Poles (largely) and Czechs. Mostly rabbiting on about how they were “intellectually inferior” or “suffering from subnormal intelligence”; even saw a couple of “subhuman” comments thrown in for good measure.

Sickening to read, I can tell you that.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 30, 2017 • 2:31:00am

re: #208 Dr Lizardo

You mentioned about Slavs in your posting. One thing I noticed in reading the comments sections of the Daily Mail or The Express in the run-up to last year’s Brexit referendum was a great deal of anti-Slavic prejudice.

“They were fit enough to fly for the RAF in the Battle of Britain, but not to live here!”

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Timothy Watson  Jul 30, 2017 • 3:05:44am
Research has found that up to 90 percent of all spreadsheets have errors that affect their results. I’ve written about the Harvard professors whose basic Excel mistakes led to untold misery for millions of people.

If you search for spreadsheet errors, you’ll get lots of stories, other than the Harvard fiasco.

  • Hiding cells — instead of deleting them — cost Barclay’s bank millions during the 2008 meltdown.

  • A cut and paste error cost TransAlta $24 million.

  • Another cut and paste error cost JP Morgan $6 billion when a Value at Risk model was miscalculated.

There are many more, but you get the picture. Errors are so common that there’s a 15-year-old spreadsheet risks interest group.

zdnet.com

A pet peeve of mine is people hiding columns/rows with no documentation in spreadsheets. Drives me fucking nuts.

And if I have this conversation against at work:
Other person: “Don’t delete the spreadsheet, just copy and paste the new data in, you don’t want to mess up the links!”
Me: “The new data is irregular in both columns and rows, I’m going to have to relink everything anyway. At least deleting the sheet wholesale will generate REF errors that I can search for!”

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MsJ  Jul 30, 2017 • 4:22:22am

re: #172 JordanRules

Mmmhmm.
These organizations who fall under profit model rule with scant regulation cannot be granted a nostalgic pass just for existing in the open media universe. That would continue to be an oversight of epic proportions.

Take Sinclair and fox. Both are propaganda outlets. Fox went to court to be able to lie on air. And won. There needs to be repercussions. Media consolidations are rewards for bad behavior. There is little real journalism anymore. It’s all bothsider mbf horserace bullshit.

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ericblair  Jul 30, 2017 • 4:32:34am

re: #211 MsJ

Take Sinclair and fox. Both are propaganda outlets. Fox went to court to be able to lie on air. And won. There needs to be repercussions. Media consolidations are rewards for bad behavior. There is little real journalism anymore. It’s all bothsider mbf horserace bullshit.

We do have laws against fraud, slander, and libel, which make it clear that a person’s right to free speech has limits. If you represent yourself as a news outlet and make statements that you know are false or misleading, with reckless disregard for the truth, and so on, why should you not be held to the same standard as everyone else trying to sell a product?

It’s not like the courts haven’t litigated this sort of situation before. The US gives a great deal of deference to anybody who calls themselves a news outlet, which is being exploited by adversaries foreign and domestic.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 30, 2017 • 4:34:23am

re: #212 ericblair

We do have laws against fraud, slander, and libel, which make it clear that a person’s right to free speech has limits..

But to pursue such a case takes time and a lot of money, which tends to protect those with resources against those without.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 30, 2017 • 4:40:56am

re: #197 Amory Blaine

It’s funny how people on the right run their mouths about free speech but get angry when people exercise their free speech rights. Waters’ disdain of Trump is something that is shared by millions of Americans so if you don’t like it, don’t go to his concerts. Or go because he gets paid even if you’re angry and can’t control yourself.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Jul 30, 2017 • 4:40:58am

I was actually sued for libel some years ago. A professional aura reader took exception to me calling her a quack in print. The judge threw it on the grounds that she was, well, a quack. It was a bit more formal than that but that was the gist.

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William Lewis  Jul 30, 2017 • 4:41:28am

re: #211 MsJ

Except for 20 or so years from Ed Morrow to Cronkite’s retirement, that’s all “journalism” really ever was. Don’t forget how the newspapers started the Spanish-American war and fanned the flames for WWI. For a short time we had people who thought news was more than propaganda or entertainment, but once it became unprofitable, back to the old model the media ran.

The best thing to do is the same as ever - read enough different sources that their inherent bias cancel each other out.

As the Russians used to say, there is no truth (Pravda) in the news (Izvestia) and no news in the truth. Not much different here…

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 30, 2017 • 4:47:24am

re: #186 Kragar

Well, that’s not scary at all.
/s

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freetoken  Jul 30, 2017 • 4:54:06am

re: #216 William Lewis

We should not, however, dismiss the rise of modern journalism as having no importance.

While I agree that the concept of “the news” was shaped for us by the likes of Ed Morrow and Cronkite, there has been, I propose, since the development of the modern concept of “history”, a concerted effort by many to be more objective in the relating of facts.

In this sense, journalism is history writing in near-realtime. Contrast to regular history writing, which looks backwards from today.

Now the real problem is mimicry - propagandists who now have perfected the ability to appear like they are attempting to be objective.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 30, 2017 • 4:57:05am

In the era when there were only a few major news networks, they placed a great premium on maintaining a certain reputation for balance and accuracy. In the end, that reputation was what gave them their market share and affected their revenues.

That has all changed with cable and Internet news. Now it is all about attracting a viewer base and appealing to their sense of reality.

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Targetpractice  Jul 30, 2017 • 5:10:28am

So folks, I’ve met one in the wild. An honest-to-Dog Flat-Earther. The unfortunate part is he’s my new coworker, so for the sake of workplace harmony, I spent most of the night just nodding my head along to his rambling.

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Timothy Watson  Jul 30, 2017 • 5:15:21am

re: #220 Targetpractice

So folks, I’ve met one in the wild. An honest-to-Dog Flat-Earther. The unfortunate part is he’s my new coworker, so for the sake of workplace harmony, I spent most of the night just nodding my head along to his rambling.

And I thought I had it bad with the unReconstructed Confederates at my previous job.

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Targetpractice  Jul 30, 2017 • 5:19:24am

re: #221 Timothy Watson

And I thought I had it bad with the unReconstructed Confederates at my previous job.

I hit the trifecta with this one: Flat-Earther, conspiracy theorist, and an anti-vaxxer. If I believed in a higher power, I’d assume this was some sort of test.

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Timothy Watson  Jul 30, 2017 • 5:23:41am

re: #222 Targetpractice

I hit the trifecta with this one: Flat-Earther, conspiracy theorist, and an anti-vaxxer. If I believed in a higher power, I’d assume this was some sort of test.

Letting you pay back some of that bad karma in this life instead of waiting for the next? :)

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Targetpractice  Jul 30, 2017 • 5:24:55am

re: #223 Timothy Watson

Letting you pay back some of that bad karma in this life instead of waiting for the next? :)

Look, those nuns had it coming.

///

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MsJ  Jul 30, 2017 • 5:25:53am

re: #188 Kragar

I was in Konstanz a number of years ago. It’s a lovely little city and I’m shocked and saddened by this.

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I cannot.  Jul 30, 2017 • 5:26:47am

re: #223 Timothy Watson

Or loading up the karma bank so you’ll have a good life the next time around.

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MsJ  Jul 30, 2017 • 5:28:38am

re: #190 Anymouse 🌹

I am not a lawyer, but I can’t think of any law that prohibits foreigners or foreign powers from trying to influence the media in the country.

When the Venezuelan Embassy, for example, creates a press release to assert or clarify its position on a subject, it is trying to influence people in this country. If a news outlet runs that press release, does that make the news outlet complicit in Venezuelan government policy?

I’m unclear on what payola scandal to which you refer.

Back to my previous argument: High Times promotes criminal activity. Should we arrest their writers and publisher?

You’re truly being pendantic.

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dangerman  Jul 30, 2017 • 5:30:54am

re: #215 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

I was actually sued for libel some years ago. A professional aura reader took exception to me calling her a quack in print. The judge threw it on the grounds that she was, well, a quack. It was a bit more formal than that but that was the gist.

truth as a defense!

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dangerman  Jul 30, 2017 • 5:38:59am

re: #220 Targetpractice

So folks, I’ve met one in the wild. An honest-to-Dog Flat-Earther. The unfortunate part is he’s my new coworker, so for the sake of workplace harmony, I spent most of the night just nodding my head along to his rambling.

i dont care what anyone “believes” . You want to believe “in” a flat earth - as in faith without proof, go ahead. if that informs your decision making, i’ll that it into account when i evaluate your positions on anything

if you want to believe “that” - i.e. something is conventionally, objectively true - then you better “show the math” for all to see and replicate independently. otherwise your idea has no merit on its own and is merely rhetorical twaddle. You’ve tried to jump to the end without doing any of the work… a solution in need of a perverse and twisted premise to have any validity at all

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 30, 2017 • 5:41:28am

re: #229 dangerman

i dont care what anyone “believes” . You want to believe “in” a flat earth - as in faith without proof, go ahead. if that informs your decision making, i’ll that it into account when i evaluate your positions on anything

if you want to believe “that” - i.e. something is conventionally, objectively true - then you better “show the math” for all to see and replicate independently. otherwise your idea has no merit on its own and is merely rhetorical twaddle. You’ve tried to jump to the end without doing any of the work… a solution in need of a perverse and twisted premise to have any validity at all

I have a buddy who just likes arguing and takes up points like that to be a gadfly and prove that he knows a list of arcane facts that you don’t.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 30, 2017 • 6:20:41am

re: #210 Timothy Watson

zdnet.com

A pet peeve of mine is people hiding columns/rows with no documentation in spreadsheets. Drives me fucking nuts.

And if I have this conversation against at work:
Other person: “Don’t delete the spreadsheet, just copy and paste the new data in, you don’t want to mess up the links!”
Me: “The new data is irregular in both columns and rows, I’m going to have to relink everything anyway. At least deleting the sheet wholesale will generate REF errors that I can search for!”

Two of my favorites:
— Range references that fail to cover the entire range
— Columns where the formula suddenly changes, occasionally just for a single record.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 30, 2017 • 6:24:44am

re: #231 Hecuba’s daughter

Two of my favorites:
— Range references that fail to cover the entire range
— Columns where the formula suddenly changes, occasionally just for a single record.

That last one, at least in MS Excel, will get called out by a cell annotation so that you can inspect it. But if everything else in the spreadsheet is FUBAR, then you might not even notice.

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jeffreyw  Jul 30, 2017 • 6:30:47am

Imgur


Good morning!

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Belafon  Jul 30, 2017 • 6:31:36am

My wife saw inline that Neil Gaiman is writing a sequel to Neverwhere.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 30, 2017 • 6:38:36am

re: #232 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

That last one, at least in MS Excel, will get called out by a cell annotation so that you can inspect it. But if everything else in the spreadsheet is FUBAR, then you might not even notice.

Except if you have several hundred columns and 50000+ rows — it can be easy to overlook the annotation, especially when you are trying to help someone diagnose an apparently different problem associated with their workbook.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 30, 2017 • 6:40:48am

re: #220 Targetpractice

So folks, I’ve met one in the wild. An honest-to-Dog Flat-Earther. The unfortunate part is he’s my new coworker, so for the sake of workplace harmony, I spent most of the night just nodding my head along to his rambling.

I’d be unable to keep my mouth shut, workplace harmony be damned. Who knows what other crackbrain ideas he has.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 30, 2017 • 6:41:13am

re: #235 Hecuba’s daughter

Except if you have several hundred columns and 50000+ rows — it can be easy to overlook the annotation, especially when you are trying to help someone diagnose an apparently different problem associated with their workbook.

Yes, exactly. I wish they made certain kinds of inconsistencies more obvious.

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Belafon  Jul 30, 2017 • 6:45:59am

Atheism: At least I don’t claim to be a Christian and then not act like Jesus would want.

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Teukka  Jul 30, 2017 • 6:47:35am

re: #238 Belafon

Atheism: At least I don’t claim to be a Christian and then not act like. Jesus would want.

Walking in the shoes of the carpenters lad is not easy.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 30, 2017 • 6:52:54am

re: #239 Teukka

Walking in the shoes of the carpenters lad is not easy.

But people want to make it easy, because it’s their nature. So they invent a bunch of bullshit rules to make themselves comfortable, and then delude themselves into thinking they’re doing it right.

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Teukka  Jul 30, 2017 • 7:00:00am

re: #240 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

But people want to make it easy, because it’s their nature. So they invent a bunch of bullshit rules to make themselves comfortable, and then delude themselves into thinking they’re doing it right.

You know what’s the really sad part? In terms of your conscience, it’s easy compared to the bullshit route.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 30, 2017 • 7:03:33am

re: #241 Teukka

You know what’s the really sad part? In terms of your conscience, it’s easy compared to the bullshit route.

Not going to disagree with you there. It’s an obvious choice to me. But then, I didn’t follow the rest of the lemmings off the cliff.

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William Lewis  Jul 30, 2017 • 7:07:01am

re: #241 Teukka

You know what’s the really sad part? In terms of your conscience, it’s easy compared to the bullshit route.

All one has to ask is “does this spread love? Does this give life?” If the answer is yes, it is godly. Otherwise walk away.

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Belafon  Jul 30, 2017 • 7:08:19am

re: #241 Teukka

You know what’s the really sad part? In terms of your conscience, it’s easy compared to the bullshit route.

The problem is that they are so wedded to it that to stop would be an admission that they are wrong, and, as we see with Trump, they can never admit that.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 30, 2017 • 7:10:13am

re: #244 Belafon

The problem is that they are so wedded to it that to stop would be an admission that they are wrong, and, as we see with Trump, they can never admit that.

The sunk cost fallacy, as applied on a life-choices scale.

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Teukka  Jul 30, 2017 • 7:11:19am

re: #245 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

The sunk cost fallacy, as applied on a life-choices scale.

Amen Brotha! TESTIFY!!!!

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Belafon  Jul 30, 2017 • 7:11:45am

And, for the record, my decision to be an atheist has nothing to do with other people. The thought above was just a convergence of some things that popped into my head.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 30, 2017 • 7:14:34am

re: #241 Teukka

You know what’s the really sad part? In terms of your conscience, it’s easy compared to the bullshit route.

But are we born with a conscience? Certainly those who are psychopaths cannot develop one. We have to be taught what’s right or wrong. I don’t think it’s intuitive.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 30, 2017 • 7:15:29am

re: #247 Belafon

And, for the record, my decision to be an atheist has nothing to do with other people. The thought above was just a convergence of some things that popped into my head.

For many, “Atheist” means “not believe in in (my choice of) God”.

That would put me in the same category.

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Teukka  Jul 30, 2017 • 7:16:19am

re: #248 Hecuba’s daughter

But are we born with a conscience? Certainly those who are psychopaths cannot develop one. We have to be taught what’s right or wrong. I don’t think it’s intuitive.

We are born with a capacity for empathy, which IMO is a cornerstone of conscience. And not all psychopaths are born that way, some are made. The trick is to tap into and encourage our natural capacities.

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William Lewis  Jul 30, 2017 • 7:21:13am

Wish I could be more into the conversation but it’s to e to put on the robes and be lector and Eucharistic Minister today. Later all.

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MsJ  Jul 30, 2017 • 7:28:31am
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I Would Prefer Not To  Jul 30, 2017 • 7:29:45am

re: #90 FormerDirtDart

They already have “vertical” seating

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Going to the restroom is gonna be a nightmare

Depends.

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Belafon  Jul 30, 2017 • 7:30:45am

re: #248 Hecuba’s daughter

But are we born with a conscience? Certainly those who are psychopaths cannot develop one. We have to be taught what’s right or wrong. I don’t think it’s intuitive.

I think we have to be taught as well, but, to agree with Teukka’s comment, it takes more effort to be assholes than to be nice. Look at how many new things they have to come up with in order to maintain their world: trans people are men going after their daughters, contraceptives are mini-abortions. It’s a whole lot of work to stay angry.

These “Christians”, to me, are stuck on an Old Testament definition of morality. The Old Testament was written for people who needed everything spelled out. While this was useful when you wanted to survive, it limits growth. The New Testament, specifically Jesus teachings, is more flexible, but requires you to think. “Love my neighbor? Why would I love that brown skinned woman with the scarf over her head if she doesn’t worship Jesus?” “But I do love gays. I just think they shouldn’t be so icky. Is that wrong?”

I would love to have the “Did I stutter?” meme on a t-shirt.

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Jay C  Jul 30, 2017 • 7:37:50am

re: #90 FormerDirtDart

They already have “vertical” seating

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Going to the restroom is gonna be a nightmare

I thought that’s what those triangular plastic things on the seats were for…..

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jul 30, 2017 • 7:39:01am

In Today’s Doonsbury Reince is still COS.

SAD!

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dangerman  Jul 30, 2017 • 7:42:08am

When you lose the national review

“Death of a F***ing Salesman”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 30, 2017 • 7:43:43am

re: #256 I Would Prefer Not To

In Today’s Doonsbury Reince is still COS.

SAD!

Really…FAKE NEWS!!!

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jaunte  Jul 30, 2017 • 7:44:22am
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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jul 30, 2017 • 7:47:55am

re: #254 Belafon

I think we have to be taught as well, but, to agree with Teukka’s comment, it takes more effort to be assholes than to be nice. Look at how many new things they have to come up with in order to maintain their world: trans people are men going after their daughters, contraceptives are mini-abortions. It’s a whole lot of work to stay angry.

These “Christians”, to me, are stuck on an Old Testament definition of morality. The Old Testament was written for people who needed everything spelled out. While this was useful when you wanted to survive, it limits growth. The New Testament, specifically Jesus teachings, is more flexible, but requires you to think. “Love my neighbor? Why would I love that brown skinned woman with the scarf over her head if she doesn’t worship Jesus?” “But I do love gays. I just think they shouldn’t be so icky. Is that wrong?”

I would love to have the “Did I stutter?” meme on a t-shirt.

Can’t comment at length from my phone, but that’s not fair to the OT.

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dangerman  Jul 30, 2017 • 7:49:48am

re: #259 jaunte

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Safest place he could be, for the rest of us

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A Mom Anon  Jul 30, 2017 • 7:52:08am

re: #243 William Lewis

You can also flip that and ask if your relationships with people make you feel loved and leave you with a feeling of happiness most of the time. No one is perfect and relationships have down and up times, but if your interactions with people leave you sad, baffled, angry or feeling worthless, it’s time to let it GO. I try very hard to make sure I don’t mess with people and make them feel like crap, but I mess up sometimes. I own it though, I find apologizing is not really that hard. You just have to humble yourself a bit, not forever.

It’s only taken me about 50 years to get that one right, lol. I’m now to the point where I no longer give a flying monkey’s behind whether people like me or not. I wish to hell I could get all the time back I wasted worrying about what I did wrong to make someone not like me. I still fall back into it sometimes, but it doesn’t worry me much anymore. I think if we could be less embracing and rewarding of assholes, some of this proliferation of shit we’re seeing would die down. It’ll never go away, but maybe, just maybe, if there was less of a reward for being an asshole, they’d be confined to their tiny clusters of hate or maybe even be forced to confront their own demons. Maybe.

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MsJ  Jul 30, 2017 • 7:53:49am

re: #257 dangerman

When you lose the national review

“Death of a F***ing Salesman”

Linky no worky.

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jaunte  Jul 30, 2017 • 7:58:58am

re: #261 dangerman

I wonder if the mooch is caddying this morning.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 30, 2017 • 7:59:18am

re: #257 dangerman

When you lose the national review

“Death of a F***ing Salesman”

They did not like him from the start, but acquiesced and gave him his chance to deliver. he did not.

But these guys are the intellectual wing of the GOP, the base idiots will continue to admire and support the man they all want to be more like.

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sagehen  Jul 30, 2017 • 8:02:03am

re: #248 Hecuba’s daughter

But are we born with a conscience? Certainly those who are psychopaths cannot develop one. We have to be taught what’s right or wrong. I don’t think it’s intuitive.

Actually… it is intuitive. Experimental data has shown that babies, chimpanzees and dogs have an innate sense of “fairness”. It takes a lot of socialization to train that out of them.

washington.edu

healthland.time.com

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 30, 2017 • 8:05:57am

Trailer from a new film by Rob Reiner. Starring Woody Harrelson as LBJ.

And damn, looks like a helluva performance from Harrelson. Also stars Jennifer Jason Leigh, Jeffrey Donovan and Bill Pullman.

LBJ Official Trailer (2017) Woody Harrelson, Jennifer Jason Leigh, Directed by Rob Reiner.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 30, 2017 • 8:06:37am

This is addressed to lizards in the Los Angeles area. I’m serving as kind of an employment broker.

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 30, 2017 • 8:08:13am

re: #145 teleskiguy

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Sure thing Sarah, how’s this for American speech: “You’re a fucking moron!”.

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jaunte  Jul 30, 2017 • 8:11:13am

Price will lie too.

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Belafon  Jul 30, 2017 • 8:12:30am

re: #260 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Can’t comment at length from my phone, but that’s not fair to the OT.

You’re right in that I put too much on the Old Testament in terms of morality. I should have worded it more to say that the Old Testament is much more explicit about the rules of what is right and what is wrong, and has led a whole lot of people to think that if something is not listed there, then it must be wrong.

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I cannot.  Jul 30, 2017 • 8:18:46am

re: #257 dangerman

Tell us how you really feel, America’s most respected journal of white supremacy.

Damn, that is a brutal editorial piece.

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dangerman  Jul 30, 2017 • 8:19:16am

re: #263 MsJ

Linky no worky.

fixy

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dangerman  Jul 30, 2017 • 8:21:07am

re: #265 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They did not like him from the start, but acquiesced and gave him his chance to deliver. he did not.

But these guys are the intellectual wing of the GOP, the base idiots will continue to admire and support the man they all want to be more like.

True enough

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 30, 2017 • 8:23:01am

So, this is interesting. Apparently Ken Ham (of Answers in Genesis fame, also known as “that douchebag who built the Ark Encounter and then tried to dodge his taxes”) is poking fun at the Flat Earthers. Does he not realize that they are a not-insignificant part of his audience?

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dangerman  Jul 30, 2017 • 8:24:13am

re: #262 A Mom Anon

I ask myself is this person an anchor or a sail, then proceed accordingly

There’s just not enough time in this world….

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wheat-dogg  Jul 30, 2017 • 8:25:07am

re: #275 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

So, this is interesting. Apparently Ken Ham (of Answers in Genesis fame, also known as “that douchebag who built the Ark Encounter and then tried to dodge his taxes”) is poking fun at the Flat Earthers. Does he not realize that they are a not-insignificant part of his audience?

The way I understand it, the YEC crowd doesn’t want the possibly ironic Flat-Earth crowd to intermingle with YEC believers and ruin their brand.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 30, 2017 • 8:25:54am

re: #277 wheat-dogg

The way I understand it, the YEC crowd doesn’t want the possibly ironic Flat-Earth crowd to intermingle with YEC believers and ruin their brand.

That’s probably true, but it just strikes me as amusing that they’re basically eating some of their own in the name of “preserving sanity” (not like they have any of that to begin with).

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 30, 2017 • 8:26:39am

re: #266 sagehen

Actually… it is intuitive. Experimental data has shown that babies, chimpanzees and dogs have an innate sense of “fairness”. It takes a lot of socialization to train that out of them.

washington.edu

healthland.time.com

It is difficult to believe that there are legitimate reproducible studies that show “fairness” is innate. I can almost see our being born with some level of empathy as Teukka said in 250 above— but it’s really limited to what we perceive as the “same” as us and not the “other”. Some include all of humanity; others only members of their tribe; still others extend the feeling to animals. Yesterday, a friend who is not a vegetarian was castigating scientists for their treatment of animals in research; how they are willing to torture them to benefit humanity.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 30, 2017 • 8:26:41am

re: #278 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

That’s probably true, but it just strikes me as amusing that they’re basically eating some of their own in the name of “preserving sanity” (not like they have any of that to begin with).

There are only so many marks out there, and they want to tap as many as possible for their own scam.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 30, 2017 • 8:27:13am

re: #280 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There are only so many marks out there, and they want to tap as many as possible for their own scam.

“Get your own suckers, these ones are mine!”

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dangerman  Jul 30, 2017 • 8:27:16am

re: #278 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

That’s probably true, but it just strikes me as amusing that they’re basically eating some of their own in the name of “preserving sanity” (not like they have any of that to begin with).

Sanity or purity?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 30, 2017 • 8:27:29am

re: #282 dangerman

Sanity or purity?

Yes.

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dangerman  Jul 30, 2017 • 8:29:34am

re: #283 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Yes.

Of course
I shoulda seen that
/early

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 30, 2017 • 8:34:50am

OK, in my late arrival to the internet today, I obviously missed something

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 30, 2017 • 8:34:59am

re: #270 jaunte

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Price will lie too.

Lewandowski and Price starring in “The Unwatchables.”

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Decatur Deb  Jul 30, 2017 • 8:35:25am

re: #282 dangerman

Sanity or purity?

I choose Sanity, I suppose, but Sister Mary Claver will be terribly disappointed.

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dangerman  Jul 30, 2017 • 8:42:19am
Mitch McConnell and his leadership team operated in a way that makes their complaints about what Democrats did seven years ago look ridiculous, at least to any objective, reality-based observer

Another pretty good summary of this week in healthcare dkos

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 30, 2017 • 8:43:25am

re: #270 jaunte

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Price will lie too.

As usual, the morning shows have all Republican panels. It’s as if Democrats have nothing interesting to say about what is going on in the Trump admin.

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sagehen  Jul 30, 2017 • 8:43:53am

Senator Collins gets her due from her constituents; finds it “extraordinary, heartwarming and affirming”

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ObserverArt  Jul 30, 2017 • 8:44:34am

re: #270 jaunte

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Price will lie too.

I get home from watching an auto race at a friend’s house turned on the TV that was tuned to NBC for morning news. It’s already 3/4s into Meet the Chuck and who do I get to see?

Corey Lewandowski.

I guess we are back to campaign Trump again. The Man against The Establishment.

It’ll be little Marco and Lyin’ Ted again, but he’ll be attacking Ryan, Mitch and all the GOP politicians for being weak.

Yep, Trump is gonna get tough again. Putting Lewandowski out instead of KellyAnne is a signal. Time to scare America and run roughshod over Congress like you are running against them all.

Trump against The World.

Isn’t this going to be exciting?!

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wheat-dogg  Jul 30, 2017 • 8:46:17am

re: #290 sagehen

Senator Collins gets her due from her constituents; finds it “extraordinary, heartwarming and affirming”

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I’m sure none of the Senators voting yes had similar welcomes at their home airports.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 30, 2017 • 8:46:42am

re: #290 sagehen

Senator Collins gets her due from her constituents; finds it “extraordinary, heartwarming and affirming”

SenatorCollins on CNN SOTU says that receiving spontaneous applause at Maine airport was “extraordinary”

Trump is off his game: he should have arranged for people to boo her and shout invective at such a traitor to the GOP cause and their President.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 30, 2017 • 8:49:56am

re: #285 FormerDirtDart

OK, in my late arrival to the internet today, I obviously missed something

Wow, there’s an urge to chase this whole thing down yet another internet wormhole (if just for the random replies thread), but I’m gonna try and resist.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 30, 2017 • 8:53:17am

Well, at least Fyre Fest didn’t burn any structures down…

HD | Tomorrowland Barcelona - SPAIN 2017 | FIRE ON MAINSTAGE | 29/07/2017

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 30, 2017 • 8:53:38am

re: #295 FormerDirtDart

Oh SHIT.

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MsJ  Jul 30, 2017 • 8:54:00am

re: #273 dangerman

fixy

Dankey. 😁

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 30, 2017 • 8:55:29am

re: #295 FormerDirtDart

Wonder if that was pyrotechnics or faulty lighting/stage wiring. There are SO many things that can go wrong at a music festival, it’s a wonder there aren’t more incidents like this.

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jaunte  Jul 30, 2017 • 8:55:54am

re: #294 FormerDirtDart

Scaramucci friend accuses Priebus of affair, then regrets it
nydailynews.com

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Decatur Deb  Jul 30, 2017 • 8:57:16am

re: #299 jaunte

Scaramucci friend accuses Priebus of affair, then regrets it
nydailynews.com

Why apologize? Everybody at Bada Bing was expected to have a little on the side.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 30, 2017 • 8:57:27am

re: #298 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Wonder if that was pyrotechnics or faulty lighting/stage wiring. There are SO many things that can go wrong at a music festival, it’s a wonder there aren’t more incidents like this.

This video shows it starting, looks like lighting unit started it

Spain Unite Tomorrowland stage fire

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jaunte  Jul 30, 2017 • 8:57:50am

Smear
Let the smear hang out for a while
Retract
Threaten to sue anyone who mentions it

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Decatur Deb  Jul 30, 2017 • 8:59:34am

re: #301 FormerDirtDart

This video shows it starting, looks like lighting unit started it

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Props to the roadies—they figured out how to take Burning Man on the road.

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Timothy Watson  Jul 30, 2017 • 9:00:37am

re: #295 FormerDirtDart

Well, at least Fyre Fest didn’t burn any structures down…

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Is it bad I don’t recognize a single band on the set list?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 30, 2017 • 9:02:30am

re: #301 FormerDirtDart

This video shows it starting, looks like lighting unit started it

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That’s definitely a brown-pants moment. Professional lighting rigs are no joke.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 30, 2017 • 9:03:42am

re: #265 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They did not like him from the start, but acquiesced and gave him his chance to deliver. he did not.

But these guys are the intellectual wing of the GOP, the base idiots will continue to admire and support the man they all want to be more like.

I’ve always detested the National Review and its founder William Buckley but I admit that this may be their first article that seems accurate and to the point, not that it will change anyone’s opinion.

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jaunte  Jul 30, 2017 • 9:07:21am
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MsJ  Jul 30, 2017 • 9:07:57am

re: #257 dangerman

When you lose the national review

“Death of a F***ing Salesman”

From the article:

He presents himself as a confident ladies’ man but is so insecure that he invented an imaginary friend to lie to the New York press about his love life and is now married to a woman who is open and blasé about the fact that she married him for his money.

Really? I did not know that.

That has got to be emasculating. I’m not a guy but damn. That a burn that’s 3rd degree level.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 30, 2017 • 9:09:12am

re: #305 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

That’s definitely a brown-pants moment. Professional lighting rigs are no joke.

I’d wager as the light swung back and forth a stray hanging wire made contact, melted to the unit, then caught fire.

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stpaulbear  Jul 30, 2017 • 9:09:40am

re: #305 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

That’s definitely a brown-pants moment. Professional lighting rigs are no joke.

It looks like the set may have been made of the same extruded materials that made the Grenfell Tower fire such a disaster. Flaming stuff was dropping to the lower levels and spreading the fire.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 30, 2017 • 9:11:32am

re: #310 stpaulbear

It looks like the set may have been made of the same extruded materials that made the Grenfell Tower fire such a disaster. Flaming stuff was dropping to the lower levels and spreading the fire.

I was pretty floored by how rapidly the thing developed.

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MsJ  Jul 30, 2017 • 9:12:01am

re: #299 jaunte

Scaramucci friend accuses Priebus of affair, then regrets it
nydailynews.com

Damn, Reince, thems some rabid dogs you laid down with. One can only imagine just how diseased them fleas are.

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 30, 2017 • 9:12:04am
So, listen up, Team Trump: “Put that coffee down. Coffee is for closers only.” Got that?

Read more at: nationalreview.com

Holy shit, they really put the wood on it.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 30, 2017 • 9:14:48am

re: #257 dangerman

When you lose the national review

“Death of a F***ing Salesman”

Daaaaaaamn. That was a scorcher.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 30, 2017 • 9:18:35am

Apparently, he still hasn’t read the bill nor has anyone told him what’s in it.
Oh, and he still doesn’t understand how government works…

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 30, 2017 • 9:18:40am
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Ace-o-aces  Jul 30, 2017 • 9:19:43am
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wheat-dogg  Jul 30, 2017 • 9:21:06am

re: #314 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Daaaaaaamn. That was a scorcher.

Wonder if Trump will lump the National Review with the “fake news” media now. They hit him in all his soft spots: sex, wealth, deal making, ego.

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jaunte  Jul 30, 2017 • 9:21:07am

re: #313 Ace Rothstein

So Williamson is upset not that Trump is a vicious asshole, just that he’s not very good at it.

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freetoken  Jul 30, 2017 • 9:21:30am

re: #257 dangerman

Note that Kevin Williamson hardly represents all NRO writers. And even more, he tries at times to be the different conservative, and like McCain, wants to be seen as somehow the guy swimming valiantly upstream.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 30, 2017 • 9:21:54am

re: #314 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Whew no kidding. Can’t wait to show this to certain Republican friends. MY FB is gonna get more interesting for an hour or two.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 30, 2017 • 9:22:45am

re: #317 Ace-o-aces

How is it these people cannot understand how insurance works? I never went to biz school or studied economics, but I understand it. Maybe it’s my math background.

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Ace-o-aces  Jul 30, 2017 • 9:23:06am
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Timothy Watson  Jul 30, 2017 • 9:24:16am

re: #317 Ace-o-aces

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It’s been clear for awhile that the GOP has absolutely no idea how insurance works.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 30, 2017 • 9:26:43am

re: #324 Timothy Watson

It’s been clear for awhile that the GOP has absolutely no idea how insurance works.

The development of shipping insurance in the 1600s made world commerce possible. Otherwise, what idiot would send a wooden ship across thousands of miles of unpredictable seas to carry cargo?

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piratedan  Jul 30, 2017 • 9:27:46am

re: #324 Timothy Watson

kind of sad that we have one political party that is essentially vulnerable to travelling volcano insurance salesmen…

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Decatur Deb  Jul 30, 2017 • 9:28:41am

re: #325 wheat-dogg

The development of shipping insurance in the 1600s made world commerce possible. Otherwise, what idiot would send a wooden ship across thousands of miles of unpredictable seas to carry cargo?

Antonio and Bassanio.

Maybe that’s not a good example.

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jaunte  Jul 30, 2017 • 9:28:47am

re: #324 Timothy Watson

Insurance for property is fine, but not for useless eaters.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 30, 2017 • 9:29:25am
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goddamnedfrank  Jul 30, 2017 • 9:32:02am

re: #196 Anymouse 🌹

In a nutshell, you’re conflating a victimless crime with a crime where the entire country is a victim by virtue of a conspiracy to undermine its very democracy.

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jaunte  Jul 30, 2017 • 9:35:00am
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wheat-dogg  Jul 30, 2017 • 9:36:06am

Video of Mike Cernovich in the wild

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Belafon  Jul 30, 2017 • 9:37:25am

re: #317 Ace-o-aces

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Insurance is a bridge between capitalism and problems that are not supply and demand. In this case, no one would choose to be sick. No one would choose to get cancer. No rational person would choose to get in their car and get plowed into by the truck that ran a red light. But no one can go “I’ll be a doctor today” and come in and take care of the person who’s suffered a collapsed lung do to part of a car protruding from their chest. There’s a large investment on that side.

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retired cynic  Jul 30, 2017 • 9:37:41am

re: #260 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Can’t comment at length from my phone, but that’s not fair to the OT.

IMO, the OT is about “The History of The People.” By The People. The NT should be about how to behave. Broadly.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 30, 2017 • 9:38:12am

re: #328 jaunte

Cull the poor. That’s the ultra privileged class “solution” to various 1%er ills rarely real and often imagined. Cull enough to have a class desperate for jobs that have hard ceilings on income and especially authority.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 30, 2017 • 9:42:14am
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jaunte  Jul 30, 2017 • 9:44:47am

The Russians are apparently targeting Malcolm Nance and Joy Reid.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 30, 2017 • 9:45:35am
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wheat-dogg  Jul 30, 2017 • 9:46:25am

re: #333 Belafon

Insurance is a bridge between capitalism and problems that are not supply and demand. In this case, no one would choose to be sick. No one would choose to get cancer. No rational person would choose to get in their car and get plowed into by the truck that ran a red light. But no one can go “I’ll be a doctor today” and come in and take care of the person who’s suffered a collapsed lung do to part of a car protruding from their chest. There’s a large investment on that side.

Insurance removes a lot of the risk of being a capitalist.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 30, 2017 • 9:47:09am

re: #196 Anymouse

Cultivation of cannabis (even for personal use) under Federal law is a Felony. Sale of paraphernalia is also a Felony. Possession over two offences is a Felony.

Promoting Felonies is a Felony. Doing that in concert (several writers, editors, and a publisher) is a conspiracy to commit a Felony.

Indeed, prosecution is up to the discretion of a prosecutor. You’ve still dodged the question. High Times argues they have a I Amendment right. Federal law says they are promoting a crime. Should they be prosecuted for promoting Felonies?

If your argument is no, then you are engaging in special pleading. High Times is exempt from a provable Federal offence, but a newspaper with a slant but not breaking a law (at least one I am aware of) should be prosecuted.

re: #330 goddamnedfrank

Seems to me the publication of pro marijuana articles, ads etc are fully protected by the 1st A. The conspiracy, if any is to publish cannabis info or even propaganda, not violate the law. As to GDF’s point, I agree but that is beneath the overlay of transition. The public authority, the voters have declared cannabis to be acceptable for consumption. The Feds are behind the states in this transitional phase which by nature tangles all the legalities.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 30, 2017 • 9:47:31am

And this week, the Scottish Environment Protection Agency and Scottish Natural Heritage, a conservation agency, made things even harder. Both groups are objecting to the Trump Organization’s expansion plan unless significant changes are made. Officials say the current plan breaches strict rules on sewage, environmental protection and groundwater conservation.

Their concerns are myriad. SNH says there is “substantial risk” that significant parts of the course could be damaged by drifting dunes, which happened at Trump’s already-built course in Scotland — Turnberry, on the west coast — in 2016. SEPA objects to the Trump Organization’s use of a “soakaway” (basically, a pit filled with rubble) to dispose of waste water, and it wants the company to connect the course and clubhouse to the public sewage system before building the second course. The agency also worries that the current irrigation plan could contaminate local water supplies. SEPA wants the company to pay to use public water supplies instead.

Local officials also want Trump to make good on his promise to build hundreds of affordable housing units and a school.

heh.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 30, 2017 • 9:50:20am

re: #341 Backwoods_Sleuth

Way to go Scotland. :)

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 30, 2017 • 9:51:02am

re: #336 FormerDirtDart

So their budget thingy won’t work then. Good to know.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 30, 2017 • 9:51:12am
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MsJ  Jul 30, 2017 • 9:52:16am

re: #316 Ace Rothstein

vanityfair.com

Thanks. Fascinating read. Makes me dislike her even more.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 30, 2017 • 9:53:20am

re: #344 goddamnedfrank

Even the unknowns like Schwartz feel compelled to lie. It must be something about this regime which brings out all the liars in full force.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 30, 2017 • 9:54:10am
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Patricia Kayden  Jul 30, 2017 • 9:55:31am

re: #308 MsJ

Especially since the man who occupies a large area in Trump’s brain is in a very loving, long-term marriage. Trump never found his Michelle because he has never been a Barack. He oozes sexism. He couldn’t even control himself upon meeting Mrs. Macron. Crass as hell.

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MsJ  Jul 30, 2017 • 9:56:25am

re: #322 wheat-dogg

How is it these people cannot understand how insurance works? I never went to biz school or studied economics, but I understand it. Maybe it’s my math background.

Moreso that you have a functional brain. Insurance isn’t difficult. It’s only so if you’re stupid.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 30, 2017 • 9:58:10am
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jaunte  Jul 30, 2017 • 9:58:52am

re: #349 MsJ

They know how it works, they just don’t want it to work for everyone.

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makeitstop  Jul 30, 2017 • 9:59:34am

re: #298 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Wonder if that was pyrotechnics or faulty lighting/stage wiring. There are SO many things that can go wrong at a music festival, it’s a wonder there aren’t more incidents like this.

It looks like one side of the FOH system is melting down.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 30, 2017 • 10:02:32am

Sunday viewing binge: Victoria.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 30, 2017 • 10:02:35am

re: #343 Patricia Kayden

So their budget thingy won’t work then. Good to know.

Well, their budget thingy really doesn’t work even if they strip hundreds of billions out of healthcare
They have to reuse the same “savings” a couple times and use historically outlandish growth potentials to get the math to work

But, their base will buy it then.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 30, 2017 • 10:04:19am

re: #324 Timothy Watson

It’s been clear for awhile that the GOP has absolutely no idea how insurance works.

It is capitalistic socialism. They only want the capitalism part to function…

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Ace-o-aces  Jul 30, 2017 • 10:04:29am
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wheat-dogg  Jul 30, 2017 • 10:05:46am

re: #349 MsJ

Moreso that you have a functional brain. Insurance isn’t difficult. It’s only so if you’re stupid.

Bingo. The GOP in a nutshell — willfully ignorant.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 30, 2017 • 10:06:01am

re: #329 Unshaken Defiance

We had so much warning, so much notice and example after example after example of what Donald Trump really is as an “executive”. This is the peril of the angry outsider that never served anyone but himself, not to this very day. So much damage done, so many lies declared as truth.

They were also aware of his extensive dealings with foreign countries and that his business partners were close to foreign governments.

But they did not bring up these points for fear of alienating their base, without whom they could not regain the the White House…now they have the White House and Congress but still cannot pass legislation.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 30, 2017 • 10:09:29am
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Alephnaught  Jul 30, 2017 • 10:17:58am

re: #299 jaunte

Scaramucci friend accuses Priebus of affair, then regrets it
nydailynews.com

What that article doesn’t have is the tweet in question. You can see a screenshot here.

Arthur Schwartz, a friend of Anthony Scaramucci who has been referred to as his publicist, warned Reince Priebus that he would “start dropping oppo” on the former White House chief of staff, adding “Mistress much?” in a Sunday morning tweet. The tweets have since been deleted, but of course, screenshots live on forever.

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Frenchy  Jul 30, 2017 • 10:19:01am

re: #349 MsJ

Some are stupid, but a lot more are intellectually dishonest.

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451_Montag  Jul 30, 2017 • 10:27:30am

re: #326 piratedan

kind of sad that we have one political party that is essentially vulnerable to travelling volcano insurance salesmen…

Trump is a more venal, less intelligent,, yet equally yellow hued monorail salesman from the Simpsons. Can’t sing either.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 30, 2017 • 10:27:32am

re: #360 Alephnaught

OT I happened by your web site. And as it so happens I just took a good long look at “Thomas Annan: Photographer of Glasgow” at the Getty. One gets the impression he was there as a dear friend. The love of the place and people shines.

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BeachDem  Jul 30, 2017 • 10:32:48am

Talk about setting your sites low. Quite a goal, Ivanka—I think you achieved it long ago.

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451_Montag  Jul 30, 2017 • 10:36:25am

re: #348 Patricia Kayden

Especially since the man who occupies a large area in Trump’s brain is in a very loving, long-term marriage. Trump never found his Michelle because he has never been a Barack. He oozes sexism. He couldn’t even control himself upon meeting Mrs. Macron. Crass as hell.

Marriages work when it is a partnership of equals. I’m pretty sure all of Trumps wives are literate.

Sad reactive, nasty little bully who deep down inside just knows he is a know nothing addle minded shite whose only success is down to the speed and stamina of one solitary sperm. He knows he has personally achieved nothing of note. Everything comes from his daddy.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 30, 2017 • 10:38:40am

*sigh*

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 30, 2017 • 10:38:54am

re: #365 451_Montag

Trump has never been seen in an equal relationship of any kind I can recall.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 30, 2017 • 10:39:10am

re: #365 451_Montag

Marriages work when it is a partnership of equals. I’m pretty sure all of Trumps wives are literate.

These were not marriages, just business transactions: he gets a trophy wife and arm decoration, she gets access to millions and a luxury lifestyle.

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Frenchy  Jul 30, 2017 • 10:40:36am

re: #366 Backwoods_Sleuth

Oh for fuck’s sake.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 30, 2017 • 10:41:32am
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Frenchy  Jul 30, 2017 • 10:44:10am

re: #370 Backwoods_Sleuth

I see that we have reached the “holding my breath until I get my way” phase of the Trump presidency.

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PhillyPretzel  Jul 30, 2017 • 10:45:02am

re: #371 Frenchy

Just like a spoiled brat would do. Oy.

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A Mom Anon  Jul 30, 2017 • 10:45:58am

re: #366 Backwoods_Sleuth

OFFS. This shit STILL? When’s Jill Stein’s next bid due to drop?

God I am SICK of these people. If they got to work doing actual things to help liberals win, that would be one thing, but they do nothing but help Republicans win. Over and over. GO AWAY.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 30, 2017 • 10:46:09am

re: #370 Backwoods_Sleuth

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BeachDem  Jul 30, 2017 • 10:50:06am

re: #366 Backwoods_Sleuth

*sigh*

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More like *barf*

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jaunte  Jul 30, 2017 • 10:51:13am
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Alephnaught  Jul 30, 2017 • 10:53:06am

re: #363 Unshaken Defiance

OT I happened by your web site. And as it so happens I just took a good long look at “Thomas Annan: Photographer of Glasgow” at the Getty. One gets the impression he was there as a dear friend. The love of the place and people shines.

Thomas Annan’s photos of Glasgow are an amazing social document of Glasgow in the late Victorian era, as the city has changed so much since then. In this collection, the only building still standing is the Tollbooth steeple. The rest have been torn down and replaced at least once. Whole streets and lanes depicted here have not existed for almost a century.

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Belafon  Jul 30, 2017 • 10:56:42am

re: #370 Backwoods_Sleuth

Healthcare got a vote. It failed.

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ObserverArt  Jul 30, 2017 • 10:57:07am

re: #366 Backwoods_Sleuth

*sigh*

.@BernieSanders opens door to 2nd WH run; he’ll be in Iowa on August 31 to tout his “Guide to Political Revolution” cnn.it

Out out damn spot!

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Dr. Matt  Jul 30, 2017 • 10:58:58am

re: #366 Backwoods_Sleuth

@BernieSanders opens door to 2nd WH run; he’ll be in Iowa on August 31 to tout his “Guide to Political Revolution” cnn.com

— Jake Tapper (@jaketapper) July 30, 2017

This asshole better not put a “D” after his name ever again.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 30, 2017 • 11:00:01am
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sagehen  Jul 30, 2017 • 11:01:29am

re: #368 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

These were not marriages, just business transactions: he gets a trophy wife and arm decoration, she gets access to millions and a luxury lifestyle.

I think he truly loved the first wife, for the first half of that marriage.

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Belafon  Jul 30, 2017 • 11:01:37am

re: #366 Backwoods_Sleuth

*sigh*

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Release you tax returns, Bernie, then I’ll listen.

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Jebediah, RBG  Jul 30, 2017 • 11:03:34am

re: #97 darthstar

he looks awesome!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 30, 2017 • 11:05:17am
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Timothy Watson  Jul 30, 2017 • 11:05:30am

re: #336 FormerDirtDart

Mulvaney: No other votes until Senate votes again on health care

Senators who have been here longer than Trump and will still be here after he leaves (or resigns, or is impeached, deposed, etc.) really don’t like being told what to do by the executive branch.

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Renaissance_Man  Jul 30, 2017 • 11:05:31am

re: #382 sagehen

I think he truly loved the first wife, for the first half of that marriage.

I have doubts that Trump has ever truly loved anything other than praise for himself.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 30, 2017 • 11:05:52am

But….but… we have to protect ‘Mericuh from all the terrorists…

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No Depression  Jul 30, 2017 • 11:06:13am
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MsJ  Jul 30, 2017 • 11:06:27am

re: #364 BeachDem

Talk about setting your sites low. Quite a goal, Ivanka—I think you achieved it long ago.

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MsJ  Jul 30, 2017 • 11:07:51am

re: #365 451_Montag

Marriages work when it is a partnership of equals. I’m pretty sure all of Trumps wives are literate.

Sad reactive, nasty little bully who deep down inside just knows he is a know nothing addle minded shite whose only success is down to the speed and stamina of one solitary sperm. He knows he has personally achieved nothing of note. Everything comes from his daddy.

Trump himself appears to be somewhat illiterate. Perhaps it’s early onset dementia but I don’t think reading is a strong suit.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 30, 2017 • 11:08:16am

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 30, 2017 • 11:09:26am

re: #390 MsJ

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MsJ  Jul 30, 2017 • 11:09:36am

re: #370 Backwoods_Sleuth

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wheat-dogg  Jul 30, 2017 • 11:10:43am

re: #356 Ace-o-aces

10g of highly enriched uranium is not enough to make a nuke. That amount of uranium would occupy less than a cubic centimeter — smaller than sugar cube.

IIRC Trump and his minions managed to misquote the amount as 10kg, which would be an entirely different matter.

For reference, the Little Boy A-bomb carried 64kg of U235.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 30, 2017 • 11:11:01am

re: #394 MsJ

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MsJ  Jul 30, 2017 • 11:11:23am

re: #376 jaunte

I think Mooch has a bit of a Napoleon complex. He definitely has an identity crisis; he thinks he is trump.

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MsJ  Jul 30, 2017 • 11:12:10am

re: #380 Dr. Matt

This asshole better not put a “D” after his name ever again.

And D’s better damn well not let him!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 30, 2017 • 11:13:41am

deleted because NYT had a bad link

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Dr. Matt  Jul 30, 2017 • 11:13:41am
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Dr Lizardo  Jul 30, 2017 • 11:16:59am

re: #399 Backwoods_Sleuth

755 US diplomats out? Damn, that’s a lot.

Obviously, a developing story.

A diplomatic crisis between the US and Russia is threatened after President Vladimir Putin ordered 755 US diplomats to leave Moscow.

The order from Moscow, reported by AFP, comes in response to fresh sanctions against Russia announced by President Donald Trump.

Both houses of Congress backed the sanctions bill, which also includes measures against Iran and North Korea.

The sanctions are over Russia’s 2014 annexation of Crimea and alleged interference in the US election.

independent.co.uk

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 30, 2017 • 11:18:15am

found link to the actual NYT story:
Putin, Responding to Sanctions, Expels 755 U.S. Diplomats

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Stanley Sea  Jul 30, 2017 • 11:18:41am

re: #400 Dr. Matt

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That was everything! I watched 4 times!

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Charles Johnson  Jul 30, 2017 • 11:18:48am
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Stanley Sea  Jul 30, 2017 • 11:19:11am

re: #401 Dr Lizardo

755 US diplomats out? Damn, that’s a lot.

Obviously, a developing story.

independent.co.uk

He’s on the golf course, not to be bothered.

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 30, 2017 • 11:19:48am

re: #391 MsJ

Trump himself appears to be somewhat illiterate. Perhaps it’s early onset dementia but I don’t think reading is a strong suit.

He prefers draw-ring

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 30, 2017 • 11:20:16am

re: #397 MsJ

I think Mooch has a bit of a Napoleon complex. He definitely has an identity crisis; he thinks he is trump.

I think more Brutus than Napoleon.

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makeitstop  Jul 30, 2017 • 11:20:28am

re: #399 Backwoods_Sleuth

Breaking News: Vladimir Putin said 755 U.S. diplomats must leave Russia

The sanctions bill (and Trump’s refusal to veto) has Putin shook as hell, from the look of it. Gonna be an interesting week…

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scottslemmons  Jul 30, 2017 • 11:20:52am

re: #370 Backwoods_Sleuth

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If I was a Republican in Congress, I think I’d be working to invite Mulvaney over for a “friendly coffee,” sometimes known as a “hit him with a ball-peen hammer ‘til he stops saying stupid shit” visit.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 30, 2017 • 11:23:37am

re: #399 Backwoods_Sleuth

Fine with me. F&%k those guys. All we need there is one Ambassador and staff. Americans with interests there need to cope with a major break. How diplos are many are left?

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Teukka  Jul 30, 2017 • 11:23:54am

re: #395 wheat-dogg

10g of highly enriched uranium is not enough to make a nuke. That amount of uranium would occupy less than a cubic centimeter — smaller than sugar cube.

IIRC Trump and his minions managed to misquote the amount as 10kg, which would be an entirely different matter.

For reference, the Little Boy A-bomb carried 64kg of U235.

For a gun-type bomb, you need a lot more fissile material than for an implosion bomb. I’ve heard figures in the range of 28 to 64 kg of HEU. Pu is not possible to use because it’s too reactive.
For a implosion bomb however, you really don’t need that much, a 6.2-kilogram (14 lb) sphere of Pu and probably a similar mass of HEU is enough to make a nice big bang.

Further reading:
o Demon Core
o Gun-Type Weapon
o Nuclear Weapon Design

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 30, 2017 • 11:23:57am
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wrenchwench  Jul 30, 2017 • 11:25:31am

One of Trump’s problems:

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stpaulbear  Jul 30, 2017 • 11:27:01am

re: #410 Unshaken Defiance

Fine with me. F&%k those guys. All we need there is one Ambassador and staff. Americans with interests there need to cope with a major break.

So will Rex be snapping into action to try to ease the damage? This will hit him in the pocketbook.

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Belafon  Jul 30, 2017 • 11:27:20am

re: #408 makeitstop

The sanctions bill (and Trump’s refusal to veto) has Putin shook as hell, from the look of it. Gonna be an interesting week…

And he’s hoping to rattle Trump.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 30, 2017 • 11:29:16am

re: #414 stpaulbear

Right, I don’t expect the right reaction out of any of those people. FTR what I’m saying to do might be the wrong tactic, but I’d need to hear that from experienced pros. Not these guys.

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 30, 2017 • 11:30:06am

re: #401 Dr Lizardo

The sanctions are over Russia’s 2014 annexation of Crimea and alleged interference in the US election.

Lol.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 30, 2017 • 11:30:10am

re: #415 Belafon

And he’s hoping to rattle Trump.

Gah! Now I (we maybe?) have something in common with Vlad.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 30, 2017 • 11:30:35am

Here’s an interesting report on a basic income project undertaken in Liberia. Households in the bottom 8% of family income in two cities there were granted on average US$25 a month, and their expenses tracked.

Executive summary: Households spent the grant money on food, shelter, clothing, health care, education — not on frills or luxury items. In addition, many used the basic income to start their own businesses, employing others to work for them.

The writer says other basic income projects have had similar results.

steemit.com

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 30, 2017 • 11:31:31am

re: #417 Ace Rothstein

Lol.

Yeah. But I figure they wanna be careful, that’s all.

Well, good night Lizards. Work week starts bright and early tomorrow. Have a good one.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 30, 2017 • 11:32:54am

re: #411 Teukka

For a gun-type bomb, you need a lot more fissile material than for an implosion bomb. I’ve heard figures in the range of 28 to 64 kg of HEU. Pu is not possible to use because it’s too reactive.
For a implosion bomb however, you really don’t need that much, a 6.2-kilogram (14 lb) sphere of Pu and probably a similar mass of HEU is enough to make a nice big bang.

Further reading:
o Demon Core
o Gun-Type Weapon
o Nuclear Weapon Design

No question of that. None of them are possible to make with only 10g of HEU. That’s an amount only useful for scientific research.

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Jay C  Jul 30, 2017 • 11:33:01am

re: #391 MsJ

Trump himself appears to be somewhat illiterate. Perhaps it’s early onset dementia but I don’t think reading is a strong suit.

OK, and as long as we’re doing long-distance armchair analysis, I’m guessing his core problem might be related to some form of dyslexia or other.
Donald seems to have no problem dealing with numbers, or with concepts*; it just seems like dealing with them put down in written form is some level of hurdle for him to have to get over.
Didn’t we read somewhere that Trump’s Daily Briefings were meant, ideally, to be short (like 3-pages short), simply worded, widely spaced, and preferably typed in capitals?
Doesn’t sound to me like someone who is used to, or comfortable, with any sort of “reading” in any fashion. And maybe that explains his fascination with communicating via Twitter - with a 140-character limit, you’re forced to keep things short-and-simple. Of course, it being that he’s POTUS, it comes out short-and-simpleminded: but there we go…

*IMO, anyway, it doesn’t make him any less of an avaricious, malignant narcissist: just a dyslexic one.

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ObserverArt  Jul 30, 2017 • 11:33:32am

re: #404 Charles Johnson

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As said earlier, he has the “heavies” back out working today. Time to get tough on Congress.

Watch the oncoming train wreck one way or the other.

Either Mitch and Paulie get tough (ha!) or Trump gets to back the bus over the GOP.

Popcorn here! Getchur popcorn here!

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makeitstop  Jul 30, 2017 • 11:35:35am

re: #415 Belafon

And he’s hoping to rattle Trump.

Trump’s pretty screwed regarding the sanctions. It picked up all but five votes in the entire Congress, so it’s veto-proof. Even if Trump get really desperate and vetoed the bill to appease Putin, just about everyone wold start asking ‘What the fuck is up with this guy?’ And then Congress would swat away the veto like Dikembe Motumbo.

I’ll admit to sort of hoping Trump reacts in such a stupid manner that it’ll get even the less-involved-in-politics folks asking where his loyalties lie.

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MsJ  Jul 30, 2017 • 11:40:18am

re: #410 Unshaken Defiance

Fine with me. F&%k those guys. All we need there is one Ambassador and staff. Americans with interests there need to cope with a major break. How diplos are many are left?

Russia will be the losers. Financially at least.

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scottslemmons  Jul 30, 2017 • 11:40:40am

re: #424 makeitstop

Trump’s pretty screwed regarding the sanctions. It picked up all but five votes in the entire Congress, so it’s veto-proof. Even if Trump get really desperate and vetoed the bill to appease Putin, just about everyone wold start asking ‘What the fuck is up with this guy?’ And then Congress would swat away the veto like Dikembe Motumbo.

That would be fun because it’d give everyone an opportunity to talk about how weak he is.

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MsJ  Jul 30, 2017 • 11:41:33am

re: #414 stpaulbear

So will Rex be snapping into action to try to ease the damage? This will hit him in the pocketbook.

Isn’t Rex napping on vacation?

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 30, 2017 • 11:42:33am

re: #427 MsJ

Isn’t Rex napping on vacation?

No, he’s trying to go back to Exxon.
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makeitstop  Jul 30, 2017 • 11:44:30am

re: #427 MsJ

Isn’t Rex napping on vacation?

Spending some much-needed quality time with his legal team.

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bratwurst  Jul 30, 2017 • 11:45:07am
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MsJ  Jul 30, 2017 • 11:45:09am

re: #422 Jay C

OK, and as long as we’re doing long-distance armchair analysis, I’m guessing his core problem might be related to some form of dyslexia or other.
Donald seems to have no problem dealing with numbers, or with concepts*; it just seems like dealing with them put down in written form is some level of hurdle for him to have to get over.
Didn’t we read somewhere that Trump’s Daily Briefings were meant, ideally, to be short (like 3-pages short), simply worded, widely spaced, and preferably typed in capitals?
Doesn’t sound to me like someone who is used to, or comfortable, with any sort of “reading” in any fashion. And maybe that explains his fascination with communicating via Twitter - with a 140-character limit, you’re forced to keep things short-and-simple. Of course, it being that he’s POTUS, it comes out short-and-simpleminded: but there we go…

*IMO, anyway, it doesn’t make him any less of an avaricious, malignant narcissist: just a dyslexic one.

Compare his speech from 20 years ago to 10 years ago to now. There is a major difference in cognative ability.

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MsJ  Jul 30, 2017 • 11:46:55am

re: #428 Ace Rothstein

No, he’s trying to go back to Exxon.
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God told him to take the job. Apparently, God doesn’t like Rex.

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ObserverArt  Jul 30, 2017 • 11:47:42am

I just got to thinking. With Kelly, a military man, in as chief of staff, will Trump have to back off on his love of Putin? Will he have to start to say bad things about Vlad? Will he have to back these sanctions with an explanation to the world press? Will he have to start talking about the Russians hacking the election?

I can’t see an actual U.S. military career kind of guy going much for allowing his “President” to be squishy on Russia.

Is this even going to work? I’m thinking this isn’t going to last too long.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 30, 2017 • 11:49:54am

re: #430 bratwurst

*Couple in distant land* “Honey let’s see what those Americans are up to” “Sure I’ll start with that guy on Fox”

Giphy

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makeitstop  Jul 30, 2017 • 11:50:01am

re: #426 scottslemmons

That would be fun because it’d give everyone an opportunity to talk about how weak he is.

That should be a main topic of conversation right now. I was away from the internet yesterday until about midnight last night, and that tweet complaining about China illustrates his weakness perfectly. He can’t get a goddamned thing done about North Korea so he blames the Chinese - just like he couldn’t get a deal done on ACA repeal and is now blaming Republicans.

People should be pointing out, over and over, that for a guy who claims to be the Best Negotiator of All Time he sure expects everyone else to do the heavy lifting.

He’s bargaining from a position of weakness, all the time. It needs to be pointed out, often.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 30, 2017 • 11:52:57am

re: #433 ObserverArt

This is where we see if they actually have him in a jam by way of blackmail. If they don’t-At the very instant it’s in his interest to go hard on the Russians he will. The more he coddles them well actions speak louder right?

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petesh  Jul 30, 2017 • 11:53:46am

re: #435 makeitstop

That should be a main topic of conversation right now. I was away from the internet yesterday until about midnight last night, and that tweet complaining about China illustrates his weakness perfectly. He can’t get a goddamned thing done about North Korea so he blames the Chinese - just like he couldn’t get a deal done on ACA repeal and is now blaming Republicans.

People should be pointing out, over and over, that for a guy who claims to be the Best Negotiator of All Time he sure expects everyone else to do the heavy lifting.

He’s bargaining from a position of weakness, all the time. It needs to be pointed out, often.

You nice to him. The weakness from which he is bargaining is … ta-dah … the void inside his head where knowledge is supposed to be

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 30, 2017 • 11:54:23am

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wheat-dogg  Jul 30, 2017 • 11:57:27am

re: #438 Eclectic Cyborg

[Embedded content]

The F-team

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 30, 2017 • 11:57:47am

re: #432 MsJ

God told him to take the job. Apparently, God doesn’t like Rex.

His wife told him: “See? God isn’t finished with you yet.”

That is some scary shit.

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makeitstop  Jul 30, 2017 • 11:59:45am

Good thread…

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MsJ  Jul 30, 2017 • 11:59:51am

re: #435 makeitstop

That should be a main topic of conversation right now. I was away from the internet yesterday until about midnight last night, and that tweet complaining about China illustrates his weakness perfectly. He can’t get a goddamned thing done about North Korea so he blames the Chinese - just like he couldn’t get a deal done on ACA repeal and is now blaming Republicans.

People should be pointing out, over and over, that for a guy who claims to be the Best Negotiator of All Time he sure expects everyone else to do the heavy lifting.

He’s bargaining from a position of weakness, all the time. It needs to be pointed out, often.

But the whole world now knows he’s all talk and no action. We’ve never been as vulnerable to threats as we are now.

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MsJ  Jul 30, 2017 • 12:01:46pm

re: #438 Eclectic Cyborg

You need Andy Kaufman next to a record player of to the left with his arm extended… Perfection!!

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MsJ  Jul 30, 2017 • 12:02:33pm

re: #440 Ace Rothstein

His wife told him: “See? God isn’t finished with you yet.”

That is some scary shit.

OK . It’s his wife that doesn’t like Rex. 🤣😂

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wheat-dogg  Jul 30, 2017 • 12:03:38pm

re: #442 MsJ

But the whole world now knows he’s all talk and no action. We’ve never been as vulnerable to threats as we are now.

China has him figured out.

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BeachDem  Jul 30, 2017 • 12:04:22pm

re: #424 makeitstop

Trump’s pretty screwed regarding the sanctions. It picked up all but five votes in the entire Congress, so it’s veto-proof. Even if Trump get really desperate and vetoed the bill to appease Putin, just about everyone wold start asking ‘What the fuck is up with this guy?’ And then Congress would swat away the veto like Dikembe Motumbo.

I’ll admit to sort of hoping Trump reacts in such a stupid manner that it’ll get even the less-involved-in-politics folks asking where his loyalties lie.

I thought they were going with “he had a lot of input into the bill”

According to the White House, Trump “read early drafts of the bill and negotiated regarding critical elements of it” and “has now reviewed the final version and, based on its responsiveness to his negotiations, approves the bill and intends to sign.”

Yeah, that’s some serious bullshit right there. The article goes on:

In fact, it’s more likely the White House had next to no involvement in changes to the bill and didn’t get anything they wanted. In reality, Congress effectively boxed Trump in, and he now has no choice but to sign the bill.

I’m sure they’re already screaming FAKE NEWS!

And “the mooch” has his own take:

“may sign the sanctions exactly the way they are, or he may veto the sanctions and negotiate an even tougher deal against the Russians.”

Uh huh.

nymag.com

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wrenchwench  Jul 30, 2017 • 12:07:20pm

From the execrable Kevin Williamson:

[…]

They want to swagger, to curse, to insult, and to exercise power over men, exercising power over men being the classical means to the end of exercising power over women, which is of course what this, and nine-tenths of everything else in hu man affairs, is about.

[…]/blockquote>

FTFH

The only decent writer/thinker to have worked at National Review (that I know of) is Robert Costa. KW is one of the worst.

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ObserverArt  Jul 30, 2017 • 12:07:27pm

re: #442 MsJ

But the whole world now knows he’s all talk and no action. We’ve never been as vulnerable to threats as we are now.

It appears the “leader” of North Korea might be the one to test that all talk no action thing. He is feeling comfortable in what he is doing with increasing their military capabilities and must think there is no way the “big mouth leader” of the U.S. is going to stop him.

Who knows…China might be egging all this on as a test to see what Trump is made of.

And Trump is getting into tough guy mode at the same time.

Not good. Not good at all.

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Teukka  Jul 30, 2017 • 12:10:07pm

re: #421 wheat-dogg

No question of that. None of them are possible to make with only 10g of HEU. That’s an amount only useful for scientific research.

Indeed it is. No chance it was a typo?

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 30, 2017 • 12:12:34pm

re: #441 makeitstop

Good thread…

Per CNN, the DPRK might now be able to nuke Boston. We’re looking at being led into our biggest war since WWII by our worst president ever.

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Belafon  Jul 30, 2017 • 12:13:27pm

re: #448 ObserverArt

It appears the “leader” of North Korea might be the one to test that all talk no action thing. He is feeling comfortable in what he is doing with increasing their military capabilities and must think there is no way the “big mouth leader” of the U.S. is going to stop him.

Who knows…China might be egging all this on as a test to see what Trump is made of.

And Trump is getting into tough guy mode at the same time.

Not good. Not good at all.

I thought I read somewhere that Russia is the one helping North Korea.

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ObserverArt  Jul 30, 2017 • 12:19:24pm

re: #451 Belafon

I thought I read somewhere that Russia is the one helping North Korea.

That may be too. I only mention China because they obviously have some control over North Korea. They may just be standing back and watching instead of influencing anything. It might be one reason Donny was bitching about them in a Tweet. China may have told him to fuck off, you’re such a great negotiator you deal with Dear Leader of the DPRK.

If Trump looks weak, China can then gauge how they deal with him.


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