A Gloriously Wacky Sunday Night Tiny Desk Concert From Fragile Rock

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Bob Boilen | July 14, 2017 — For just 15 minutes on a glorious spring day in Washington, D.C. — the town that birthed “emocore” three decades ago — National Public Radio became National Puppet Radio. Rarely has a news organization had this much fun.

It was the real-life breakup of band leader Brently Heilborn that led to the formation of the woefully woven band Fragile Rock. But these aren’t just any puppets — no. They are emo puppets, armed with drums and guitars and glum tales to tell, with songs like “Wake Up to the Breakup” and “I Am Sad (And So Am I)” that which draw from the spastic boogie of The B-52s and the laments of The Smiths. At one point, you’ll see Fragile Rock empty a bag of “bloodied” socks, tossing them into the crowd, before breaking into the song “Socks Are Murder,” a playful take on The Smiths’ thoughtful “Meat Is Murder.”

And in the spirit of the day Fragile Rock managed to crowd surf a puppet bringing giggles to a crowd of reporters, editors and friends, while puppets depicting NPR hosts Susan Stamberg, Michel Martin and Robert Siegel (the latter actually received a playful kiss from none other than Nina Totenberg) — all created by NPR’s own puppet master Barry Gordemer — objectively observed.

Fragile Rock’s album Wake Up To The Breakup is available now:
iTunes: itunes.apple.com
Amazon: amazon.com

Setlist
“Wakeup To The Breakup”
“Socks Are Murder”
“Fairuza Balk”

Musicians
Milo S. (lead vocals, handled by Brently Heilbron); Nic Hole (bass, handled by Megan Thornton); Kyle Danko (guitar, handled by Chadwick Smith); CoCo Bangs (drums; handled by Taylor Love and Luke Wallens); The Cocteau Triplets (back up vocals; handled by Emily Cawood, Kim Stacy, and Bryan Curry); Cindy Ward (bass); Ryan Hill (guitar); Jayme Ramsay (drums)

Credits
Producers: Bob Boilen, Niki Walker; Audio Engineer: Josh Rogosin; Assistant Engineer: James Willetts; Videographers: Niki Walker, Tsering Bista, Nick Michael, Morgan Noelle Smith; Animator (Credits): Nicholas Garbaty; PA: Jenna Li; Photo: Liam James Doyle/NPR.

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186 comments
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teleskiguy  Jul 30, 2017 • 9:45:39pm

The mentions to this tweet are destined to become a raging tire fire of ugly racism.

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Belafon  Jul 30, 2017 • 9:50:39pm

re: #1 teleskiguy

The mentions to this tweet are destined to become a raging tire fire of ugly racism.

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When cops no longer feel the urge to shoot black men, they won’t shoot white women either.

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allegro  Jul 30, 2017 • 9:53:58pm

re: #1 teleskiguy

The mentions to this tweet are destined to become a raging tire fire of ugly racism.

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Those are some expensive hoodies. $66 each? (If my math is correct.)

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teleskiguy  Jul 30, 2017 • 9:59:33pm

re: #3 allegro

Those are some expensive hoodies. $66 each? (If my math is correct.)

I paid $60 for a Silverton Mountain hoodie in their yurt at the bottom of the ski area. Good hoodie fabric made in the U.S.A. is not cheap.

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austin_blue  Jul 30, 2017 • 10:02:22pm

Night all! Midnight in Austin, 86º.

Feels balmy!

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JordanRules  Jul 30, 2017 • 10:18:58pm

re: #1 teleskiguy

So normal day in the Twittah land then?
Half///

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teleskiguy  Jul 30, 2017 • 10:28:24pm

re: #6 JordanRules

Business as usual. Par for the course.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Jul 30, 2017 • 10:48:04pm

Pleased to report that my preacher brother has unexpectedly been rescued from Trumperism and is back in the world of the sane. A couple of weeks ago he declared that Russiagate was a “conspiracy theory” with no evidence at all, and that the country was “much better off” under Trump. Tonight hhe was complaining that Trump seemed determined to start a war in Korea and added that “Republicans seem to always get us into these wars.” He also said he had looked at the Russian collusion evidence (as I recommended) and now thinks “there is something to it after all.”
I have no idea what brought on this sudden reversal, though he did allude to his service as an intelligence officer in Korea in the 90s.

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Kragar  Jul 30, 2017 • 10:54:43pm
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JordanRules  Jul 30, 2017 • 10:56:05pm

re: #8 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Yay! So interesting to think about going from where he was to where he is now. It’s a great evolution!
Hoping that you can keep him engaged and don’t have to worry about losing him to that crazy again.

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fern01  Jul 30, 2017 • 11:00:58pm

re: #8 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

One at a time reality finds them.

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teleskiguy  Jul 30, 2017 • 11:04:42pm

re: #8 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Have you read this? Maybe your brother might be interested.

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JordanRules  Jul 30, 2017 • 11:15:21pm

Sorry if someone already shared but what in the what!?!?

I’m not even sure I’m in ‘SMDH mode with her anymore. She’s already been revealed as a special type of foul human with heavy ass hypocritical notes seasoned by privilege. It’s the Ryan’s and his like-minded dumb ass mediocre folk who have continued to lift her and her works that deserve the super smirk and side-eye combo now.

RandCon

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Kragar  Jul 30, 2017 • 11:56:18pm
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sagehen  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:01:45am

re: #8 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Pleased to report that my preacher brother has unexpectedly been rescued from Trumperism and is back in the world of the sane. A couple of weeks ago he declared that Russiagate was a “conspiracy theory” with no evidence at all, and that the country was “much better off” under Trump. Tonight hhe was complaining that Trump seemed determined to start a war in Korea and added that “Republicans seem to always get us into these wars.” He also said he had looked at the Russian collusion evidence (as I recommended) and now thinks “there is something to it after all.”
I have no idea what brought on this sudden reversal, though he did allude to his service as an intelligence officer in Korea in the 90s.

Which website full of evidence did you recommend to him?

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:24:14am

re: #15 sagehen

Which website full of evidence did you recommend to him?

This one.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:19:36am

re: #8 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Great news. I hope that the “better late than never” saying is being acted out by millions of Trump supporters as they now figure out just how inexperienced and dangerous he is for this country.

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Timothy Watson  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:24:39am

re: #13 JordanRules

Ayn Rand’s hobby was sending the FBI clippings of books she thought were seditious

That’s how she got rid of all the books her publisher bought?

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:35:14am

re: #13 JordanRules

Sorry if someone already shared but what in the what!?!?

I’m not even sure I’m in ‘SMDH mode with her anymore. She’s already been revealed as a special type of foul human with heavy ass hypocritical notes seasoned by privilege. It’s the Ryan’s and his like-minded dumb ass mediocre folk who have continued to lift her and her works that deserve the super smirk and side-eye combo now.

RandCon

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Only good thing I can say about Ayn Rand is that the communists would have shot her out of hand if they’d caught her, which would put her in much better company than she deserved.

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Dave In Austin  Jul 31, 2017 • 3:21:31am

Good Morning!!

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Dave In Austin  Jul 31, 2017 • 3:39:20am

Sorry, couldn’t help it

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fern01  Jul 31, 2017 • 3:43:59am

Sessions is out of the country, Tillerson is resting, Ivanka is meeting with the UN Sec General about her dress shops and the fool is tweeting abuse at local and foreign political leaders. Domestic affairs may be a shambles, international issues are worse.

Putin is getting mad cause Trump is not doing as he was told to do & the Chinese Premier is not impressed by the US telling him what to do.

Back on MJ the bobble heads and their guests ( josh ernest excepted) are pretending that the new Chief of Staff John Kelly will bring order to the white house. Hahahahaha

Bloomberg gets it right
bloomberg.com
Politicians and Washington talking heads are falling all over themselves to describe how the new White House chief of staff, John Kelly, might bring some order to a chaotic, dysfunctional and failing presidency.

Wrong. He’s the wrong person for the wrong job for the wrong president. The more sanguine assessments, and contrasts to his hapless predecessor, Reince Priebus, will continue for weeks, maybe months. It won’t last.
Kelly, a retired general, lacks the prerequisite skills for this powerful post, which is the consummate political job, not a command-and-control managerial task.

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Patricia Kayden  Jul 31, 2017 • 5:20:04am

re: #23 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

That’s pretty much why I never go on fair rides. Always assume that they are unsafe.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 31, 2017 • 5:48:35am

re: #22 fern01

Sessions is out of the country, Tillerson is resting, Ivanka is meeting with the UN Sec General about her dress shops and the fool is tweeting abuse at local and foreign political leaders. Domestic affairs may be a shambles, international issues are worse.

Putin is getting mad cause Trump is not doing as he was told to do & the Chinese Premier is not impressed by the US telling him what to do.

Back on MJ the bobble heads and their guests ( josh ernest excepted) are pretending that the new Chief of Staff John Kelly will bring order to the white house. Hahahahaha

Bloomberg gets it right
bloomberg.com
Politicians and Washington talking heads are falling all over themselves to describe how the new White House chief of staff, John Kelly, might bring some order to a chaotic, dysfunctional and failing presidency.

Wrong. He’s the wrong person for the wrong job for the wrong president. The more sanguine assessments, and contrasts to his hapless predecessor, Reince Priebus, will continue for weeks, maybe months. It won’t last.
Kelly, a retired general, lacks the prerequisite skills for this powerful post, which is the consummate political job, not a command-and-control managerial task.

Has dRumpF tweeted angrily yet about Putin expelling U.S. diplomats?

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Sir John Barron  Jul 31, 2017 • 5:49:05am

re: #13 JordanRules

Sorry if someone already shared but what in the what!?!?

I’m not even sure I’m in ‘SMDH mode with her anymore. She’s already been revealed as a special type of foul human with heavy ass hypocritical notes seasoned by privilege. It’s the Ryan’s and his like-minded dumb ass mediocre folk who have continued to lift her and her works that deserve the super smirk and side-eye combo now.

RandCon

Because Freedom.

/

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dangerman  Jul 31, 2017 • 5:58:31am

re: #11 fern01

One at a time reality finds them.

this is my thinking as well
the raging war of cognitive dissonance certainly going on in their heads - has to be excruciating for many

deny the earth is round, doesnt really affect anything
deny gravity and eventually it will catch up with you (at your peril)

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Belafon  Jul 31, 2017 • 5:59:52am
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lawhawk  Jul 31, 2017 • 6:10:59am

Greets and saluts from the Resistance in the NYC metro area. Trump’s been up and at’em early as usual. It’s the usual mix of reactionary know-nothing ignorance and bullying bluster. All the kinds of things that Trump supporters love and expect, but which is a recipe for disaster.

Trump’s also going off about how he’s going to sabotage the insurance market if he doesn’t get his way.

The guy is turning into the Mad King Aerys Targaryen, crossed with Cersei (without the knowledge/competency). That which he can’t understand/control he seeks to destroy. His supporters are loving him for his sabotaging functioning government, because they’ve been told for years that government is bad, equal rights and protections under the law is bad, and that minorities are keeping them from having jobs. Nativism, xenophobia, white supremacy are what Trump is selling, and business is unfortunately all too good.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 31, 2017 • 6:14:02am

re: #29 lawhawk

Highest Stock Market EVER, best economic numbers in years, unemployment lowest in 17 years, wages raising, border secure, S.C.: No WH chaos!

— Donald J. Trump

NO WH CHAOS!!!!

/

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Belafon  Jul 31, 2017 • 6:14:16am

The Real Universal Medical Protection Act.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 31, 2017 • 6:14:38am

re: #29 lawhawk

How about Putin expelling 755 U.S. diplomats? Has no one told him yet?

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lawhawk  Jul 31, 2017 • 6:15:19am

re: #32 Sir John Barron

Trump will get to pick who stays and who goes, which means the competent ones are gone. Just watch.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 31, 2017 • 6:16:37am

re: #33 lawhawk

Trump will get to pick who stays and who goes, which means the competent ones are gone. Just watch.

I’m just waiting for him to acknowledge it. How does this MAGA?

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Targetpractice  Jul 31, 2017 • 6:17:55am

The economy is doing so awesome, in contrast to the way he saw it a year ago, which is why…we need a massive tax cut for the wealthy, because they desperately need more money to create more jobs!

/////

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lawhawk  Jul 31, 2017 • 6:19:07am
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makeitstop  Jul 31, 2017 • 6:20:25am

re: #32 Sir John Barron

How about Putin expelling 755 U.S. diplomats? Has no one told him yet?

Did I see something somewhere yesterday that said we don’t even have 755 diplomats in Russia? I think I did.

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jeffreyw  Jul 31, 2017 • 6:20:39am
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Dr. Matt  Jul 31, 2017 • 6:22:12am

re: #29 lawhawk

Highest Stock Market EVER, best economic numbers in years, unemployment lowest in 17 years, wages raising, border secure, S.C.: No WH chaos!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 31, 2017

Translation: Shitler inheriting a booming economy rather than carnage he keeps whining about.

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Targetpractice  Jul 31, 2017 • 6:26:47am

re: #36 lawhawk

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“Illness is God’s punishment for sinning! He helps those who help themselves, which means if he wanted you to be healthy, he’d give you the money to afford healthcare!”

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dangerman  Jul 31, 2017 • 6:30:36am

re: #29 lawhawk

Highest Stock Market EVER, best economic numbers in years, unemployment lowest in 17 years, wages raising, border secure, S.C.: No WH chaos!

then why is immediate tax reform so urgently necessary to “boost the economy”

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lawhawk  Jul 31, 2017 • 6:30:59am

re: #40 Targetpractice

Why are healthy people paying insurance premiums that cover the sick?!

Besides the fact that this is how all insurance operates? People who drive and have good records defray the costs of bad drivers. People who are healthy help defray the cost of health care when someone is sick. That’s how all insurance operates.

Insurers make money when their actuaries do the math to make sure that the premiums more than cover the costs they expect to pay out. This is literally how insurance works.

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dangerman  Jul 31, 2017 • 6:34:57am

re: #42 lawhawk

Why are healthy people paying insurance premiums that cover the sick?!

Besides the fact that this is how all insurance operates? People who drive and have good records defray the costs of bad drivers. People who are healthy help defray the cost of health care when someone is sick. That’s how all insurance operates.

Insurers make money when their actuaries do the math to make sure that the premiums more than cover the costs they expect to pay out. This is literally how insurance works.

while insurance is generally protection against the undesired possible (auto, fire), health insurance is virtually a guaranteed need

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Belafon  Jul 31, 2017 • 6:41:33am

re: #43 dangerman

while insurance is generally protection against the undesired possible (auto, fire), health insurance is virtually a guaranteed need

Which is why everyone should be required to participate. But very much like a fire, people don’t choose to get cancer, so we should all be willing to pool our resources against such possibilities.

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John Carter  Jul 31, 2017 • 6:56:14am

re: #29 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the Resistance in the NYC metro area. Trump’s been up and at’em early as usual. It’s the usual mix of reactionary know-nothing ignorance and bullying bluster. All the kinds of things that Trump supporters love and expect, but which is a recipe for disaster.

The guy is turning into the Mad King Aerys Targaryen, crossed with Cersei (without the knowledge/competency). That which he can’t understand/control he seeks to destroy. His supporters are loving him for his sabotaging functioning government, because they’ve been told for years that government is bad, equal rights and protections under the law is bad, and that minorities are keeping them from having jobs. Nativism, xenophobia, white supremacy are what Trump is selling, and business is unfortunately all too good.

When things come crashing down he will not be able to blame Obama. He will try to blame others but he is in charge right?

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Dr. Matt  Jul 31, 2017 • 6:59:06am

Fox finds a way to sink to a new low

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Sir John Barron  Jul 31, 2017 • 7:02:18am

re: #46 Dr. Matt

Fox finds a way to sink to a new low

What are they saying now?

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Belafon  Jul 31, 2017 • 7:02:46am

re: #45 John Carter

When things come crashing down he will not be able to blame Obama. He will try to blame others but he is in charge right?

His followers have spent decades blaming others. But all of this will be due to his own actions.

Maybe he will blame the Russians in the end.

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dangerman  Jul 31, 2017 • 7:07:56am

re: #44 Belafon

Which is why everyone should be required to participate. But very much like a fire, people don’t choose to get cancer, so we should all be willing to pool our resources against such possibilities.

Though think it could be helpful to separate catastrophic care from the more ordinary,regular and preventative

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dangerman  Jul 31, 2017 • 7:08:28am

re: #45 John Carter

When things come crashing down he will not be able to blame Obama. He will try to blame others but he is in charge right?

The buck stops where I say it does

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Sir John Barron  Jul 31, 2017 • 7:09:20am

re: #29 lawhawk

Highest Stock Market EVER, best economic numbers in years, unemployment lowest in 17 years, wages raising, border secure, S.C.: No WH chaos!

— Donald J. Trump

Amazing since Obamacare is supposed to be collapsing and was supposed to have destroyed the economy and jobs and everything.

/

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Dr. Matt  Jul 31, 2017 • 7:10:55am

re: #47 Sir John Barron

What are they saying now?

12-Year-Old on Fox & Friends: Trump ‘Done More Good in the Past 6 Months Than Obama Has in the Past 8 Years’ bit.ly

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Sir John Barron  Jul 31, 2017 • 7:11:48am

re: #52 Dr. Matt

12-Year-Old on Fox & Friends: Trump ‘Done More Good in the Past 6 Months Than Obama Has in the Past 8 Years’ bit.ly

They’re gonna be down to the six-year olds pretty soon.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 31, 2017 • 7:12:44am

re: #53 Sir John Barron

They’re gonna be down to the six-year olds pretty soon.

In three months, it’ll be a toddler crying on set and the Fox hosts will claim the baby is saying Trump is MAGA.

/

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lizardofid  Jul 31, 2017 • 7:14:00am

re: #38 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

I don’t think I could leave without that one.

Oh, and good morning!

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Belafon  Jul 31, 2017 • 7:16:15am

re: #52 Dr. Matt

12-Year-Old on Fox & Friends: Trump ‘Done More Good in the Past 6 Months Than Obama Has in the Past 8 Years’ bit.ly

“But Colbert had a girl who read her letter to Trump, which was totally mean!”

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Sir John Barron  Jul 31, 2017 • 7:28:13am

re: #52 Dr. Matt

12-Year-Old on Fox & Friends: Trump ‘Done More Good in the Past 6 Months Than Obama Has in the Past 8 Years’ bit.ly

The Goebbel’s children say the Reich is so much better now than the last years of the Weimar Republic.

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Belafon  Jul 31, 2017 • 7:31:56am

WFAA here in Dallas has become my standard news channel. Dale Hanson is a character, but he has been great about his commentary on gays and trans-people. I also saw a commercial this morning for a woman’s shelter featuring him talking about how he saw his dad hit his mom, and how that tends to lead children to do the same thing, but he didn’t and it doesn’t have to.

John McCaa made a statement about racists that’s worth watching: dailykos.com. I went to go look him up, and this popped up in google:

The John McCaa you don’t know is a self-described “art freak” and onetime R-rated standup comic who was raised in Spain…

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Stanley Sea  Jul 31, 2017 • 7:35:38am

He’s still playing in the apprentice

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lizardofid  Jul 31, 2017 • 7:37:39am

re: #49 dangerman

Though think it could be helpful to separate catastrophic care from the more ordinary,regular and preventative

I seem to remember, long ago as a youngster (in Texas), hearing my folks refer to “Blue Cross” and something called “Major Medical” insurance, as two different things.

But, as I say it was long ago, lot’s of water under the bridge. Anyone else?

Edit to add location.

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MsJ  Jul 31, 2017 • 7:44:13am

re: #52 Dr. Matt

12-Year-Old on Fox & Friends: Trump ‘Done More Good in the Past 6 Months Than Obama Has in the Past 8 Years’ bit.ly

That’s a pretty astute kid…who knew that at four years old, one would be so amazingly well versed to collect data to identify what President Obama didn’t do during his two terms. Amazeballs. //////

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 31, 2017 • 7:44:29am

re: #14 Kragar

Seems familiar…….

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nines09  Jul 31, 2017 • 7:46:26am

re: #46 Dr. Matt

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Sir John Barron  Jul 31, 2017 • 7:47:07am

re: #61 MsJ

That’s a pretty astute kid…who knew that at four years old, one would be so amazingly well versed to collect data to identify what President Obama didn’t do during his two terms. Amazeballs. //////

No doubt he remembers how Obama golfed during Katrina.

/

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dangerman  Jul 31, 2017 • 7:48:21am

re: #60 lizardofid

I seem to remember, long ago as a youngster, hearing my folks refer to “Blue Cross” and something called “Major Medical” insurance, as two different things.

But, as I say it was long ago, lot’s of water under the bridge. Anyone else?

right - this is more of a hunch than anything ive thought out and its more of an insurance market approach

everyone should have to participate in catastrophic / major coverage - and emergency coverage - you cant plan, save or shop for those things and they are costly

ordinary care is more like service contract - if you want to pay for your own routine care, or get ins coverage, or just not see a doctor, i think that may be fine. you cant enforce wellness. otoh, for those who want or need routine coverage and cant afford it, then solutions get thorny

i’m not against any definition of single payer, medicare for all, etc

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LastYearsMan  Jul 31, 2017 • 7:49:25am

Wow, the crazy fever dreams over at Townhall. Accidentally read one (I’ll spare everyone the link) about how the NY Times and the deep state, faced with Trump’s relentless victories, will try to foment a coup in 2018. Just bizarre at every level.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 31, 2017 • 7:50:45am

re: #66 LastYearsMan

Wow, the crazy fever dreams over at Townhall. Accidentally read one (I’ll spare everyone the link) about how the NY Times and the deep state, faced with Trump’s relentless victories, will try to foment a coup in 2018. Just bizarre at every level.

We have to wait till 2018?

/

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Targetpractice  Jul 31, 2017 • 7:50:59am

Meanwhile, seven months into the last administration’s first term, the media was calling the president a “failure” because while the economy had begun the long road to recovery, things hadn’t turned around overnight and thus the new president had “failed” to live up to his campaign promises.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 31, 2017 • 7:51:32am

re: #66 LastYearsMan

Wow, the crazy fever dreams over at Townhall. Accidentally read one (I’ll spare everyone the link) about how the NY Times and the deep state, faced with Trump’s relentless victories, will try to foment a coup in 2018. Just bizarre at every level.

“Coup”=”Election”

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Sir John Barron  Jul 31, 2017 • 7:52:12am

re: #52 Dr. Matt

12-Year-Old on Fox & Friends: Trump ‘Done More Good in the Past 6 Months Than Obama Has in the Past 8 Years’ bit.ly

Opened that one coal mine and suddenly the rust belt and Appalachia have been reborn.

/

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dangerman  Jul 31, 2017 • 7:52:27am

re: #69 The Vicious Babushka

“Coup”=”Election”

…choosing democrats

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MsJ  Jul 31, 2017 • 8:00:34am

re: #53 Sir John Barron

They’re gonna be down to the six-year olds pretty soon.

Remember, it’s the fetuses that count! Soon, we’ll be hearing from Baby Unknown Gender To Be on how much Obama sucked.

Who takes these idiots seriously?

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 31, 2017 • 8:04:03am

re: #72 MsJ

Remember, it’s the fetuses that count! Soon, we’ll be hearing from Baby Unknown Gender To Be on how much Obama sucked.

Who takes these idiots seriously?

Far too many.

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 31, 2017 • 8:05:48am

re: #36 lawhawk

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Well, in the immortal words of Jesus, “Fuck those people over there, I got mine!”.

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Belafon  Jul 31, 2017 • 8:06:39am

re: #65 dangerman

right - this is more of a hunch than anything ive thought out and its more of an insurance market approach

everyone should have to participate in catastrophic / major coverage - and emergency coverage - you cant plan, save or shop for those things and they are costly

ordinary care is more like service contract - if you want to pay for your own routine care, or get ins coverage, or just not see a doctor, i think that may be fine. you cant enforce wellness. otoh, for those who want or need routine coverage and cant afford it, then solutions get thorny

i’m not against any definition of single payer, medicare for all, etc

I don’t really see how you can separate them. I’d rather pay a bit more so my coworker with the flu goes and gets it seen about rather than having to be at work because he can’t afford the visit.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 31, 2017 • 8:06:47am
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Eventual Carrion  Jul 31, 2017 • 8:07:17am

re: #37 makeitstop

Did I see something somewhere yesterday that said we don’t even have 755 diplomats in Russia? I think I did.

I hear we have a little over 300 people there, vast majority are support roles for embassies.

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makeitstop  Jul 31, 2017 • 8:08:46am

In addition to Trump screwing up everything he doesn’t like, he might have broken the one thing he had going for him - Kremlin support.

…In the half-year since Donald Trump became our 45th president, his policies toward Putin have proven an obsequious hash. Still unable to admit the consensus of our Intelligence Community that Moscow interfered in our 2016 election—his election—Trump has kowtowed to the Kremlin strongman, including in public, to no effect except making his White House appear ridiculous.

Trump’s obvious desire to appease Moscow by returning their two spy centers in New York and Maryland that were shuttered by President Barack Obama in December in retaliation for Kremlin meddling in our election became an embarrassment among Republicans. Considering that those “dachas” functioned for decades as covert signals intelligence sites—the latter, located on the eastern shore of the Chesapeake Bay, was a particularly important SIGINT base for Moscow—that Trump wanted to hand them back to Russian intelligence raised awkward questions in Washington. Therefore, the idea died, much to Kremlin chagrin.

And here’s that bit about the US not even having 755 diplomats in Russia:

In response to such Congressional impudence, Putin has retaliated with unprecedented fury, de facto shuttering American diplomatic facilities in Russia. The Kremlin has ordered an astonishing cut of 755 personnel at our embassy in Moscow and our consulates in St. Petersburg, Yekaterinburg and Vladivostok by the beginning of September. This will leave 455 American diplomats in Russia, according to the Kremlin.

These numbers are mysterious, however, since there are nowhere near 755 American diplomats serving in Russia. As recently as 2013, the State Department employed 1,279 people at its missions in Russia; of those, 301 were Americans while 934 were local-hires, what Foggy Bottom calls Foreign Service Nationals. Although few Americans realize it, these FSNs (as they’re known in diplo-speak) outnumber Americans at most of our embassies around the world.

Since there aren’t 755 American diplomats to kick out of Russia, this means Moscow wants the State Department to fire the lion’s share of its FSNs in the country. The Kremlin thereby means to cripple our diplomatic operations in Russia. It bears noting that Obama’s end-of-2016 retaliation against Putin required the sending of 35 Russian diplomats—in reality, they were all spies—back home. Russia’s response involves more than twenty-fold the number of State Department employees.

The whole story is a pretty sobering read.

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makeitstop  Jul 31, 2017 • 8:09:49am

re: #77 Eventual Carrion

I hear we have a little over 300 people there, vast majority are support roles for embassies.

You just beat me to the ‘post’ button. I found the story where I read it.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 31, 2017 • 8:11:41am

re: #76 Backwoods_Sleuth

Oh, man….

R.I.P.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 31, 2017 • 8:12:23am
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Dr Lizardo  Jul 31, 2017 • 8:14:00am

re: #81 Backwoods_Sleuth

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More like, “I have no idea what the fuck I’m doing. Really. No fucking clue.”

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 31, 2017 • 8:15:27am

This will make you smile all day

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jul 31, 2017 • 8:16:09am

re: #56 Belafon

“But Colbert had a girl who read her letter to Trump, which was totally mean!”

That girl was brilliant.

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Targetpractice  Jul 31, 2017 • 8:17:07am

re: #81 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The picture of a man who has not had to make a tough decision in his life.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 31, 2017 • 8:19:10am
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ObserverArt  Jul 31, 2017 • 8:21:24am

re: #23 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Nope

Ohio fair officials say rides to reopen days after spinning wheel broke apart, killing man

Not all rides. The one that broke apart is shut down and the Dutch manufacturer has all models of that ride shut down wherever one exists. That hints there might be a design problem or something that stresses the welds more than it should.

Prepare your lawsuits. I imagine many are going to be coming.

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dangerman  Jul 31, 2017 • 8:23:47am

re: #75 Belafon

I don’t really see how you can separate them. I’d rather pay a bit more so my coworker with the flu goes and gets it seen about rather than having to be at work because he can’t afford the visit.

Only that some issues are major costly and not plannable
And others may have an optional participation element to them

I understand covering everybody for everything and am for that
As a more free market solution this might be how to slice it up

Eta:. ” Can’t afford it” is the thorny part

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 31, 2017 • 8:24:15am

re: #81 Backwoods_Sleuth

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BlackPearl  Jul 31, 2017 • 8:25:27am

re: #65 dangerman

Nope, I don’t agree at all. Basic wellness checks are the cheapest way to deal with what will otherwise become catastrophic. IMO, they should be completely subsidized by government for everyone regardless of income level.

Look, I live in Germany, where we don’t have single-payer, but we do have universal insurance, and AFAICT I pay for nothing (outside my premiums) (and $5/prescription). It’s still hard to get people to go to wellness checks. Don’t put payment up as another hurdle.

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Belafon  Jul 31, 2017 • 8:26:01am

re: #89 Backwoods_Sleuth

“There will be so much winning you will be tired of winning.”

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Sir John Barron  Jul 31, 2017 • 8:26:09am

re: #89 Backwoods_Sleuth

“It’s handled, with the best people. Ok? Believe me.”

/

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Stanley Sea  Jul 31, 2017 • 8:29:55am

The yam is not “all there” today

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 31, 2017 • 8:31:25am

re: #93 Stanley Sea

The yam is not “all there” today

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He also called the Cabinet Room the “boardroom”.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 31, 2017 • 8:31:51am

re: #93 Stanley Sea

The yam is not “all there” today

Who’s the acting DHS? Does the Yam know?

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Sir John Barron  Jul 31, 2017 • 8:32:25am

re: #89 Backwoods_Sleuth

Is he going to handle Russia?

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dangerman  Jul 31, 2017 • 8:32:31am

re: #90 BlackPearl

Nope, I don’t agree at all. Basic wellness checks are the cheapest way to deal with what will otherwise become catastrophic. IMO, they should be completely subsidized by government for everyone regardless of income level.

Look, I live in Germany, where we don’t have single-payer, but we do have universal insurance, and AFAICT I pay for nothing (outside my premiums) (and $5/prescription). It’s still hard to get people to go to wellness checks. Don’t put payment up as another hurdle.

I wasn’t advocating just experimenting with some thoughts in a more free market context only. Clearly I’m gonna lose this. And I can’t be comprehensive on a phone

Let’s all just be well

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 31, 2017 • 8:33:36am

heh

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ObserverArt  Jul 31, 2017 • 8:33:41am

re: #45 John Carter

When things come crashing down he will not be able to blame Obama. He will try to blame others but he is in charge right?

Always remember: “I alone can fix it” and “I understand the system, believe me.”

So, he claimed he was the man to take it all on, then he is the man that is responsible when nothing works and things start to fall apart. Period.

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Targetpractice  Jul 31, 2017 • 8:35:14am

re: #94 Backwoods_Sleuth

He also called the Cabinet Room the “boardroom”.

That’s because he continues to see himself not as President* of the United States, but as CEO of United States Inc. Which is what makes the whole situation so frustrating to him, because his “board” can’t make things happen magically, the “union” refuses to bend to his demands and isn’t responding to his threats, and the “stockholders” are losing faith in him at a rapid pace.

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ObserverArt  Jul 31, 2017 • 8:35:18am

re: #46 Dr. Matt

Fox finds a way to sink to a new low

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Old as hills marketing axiom: Kids and dogs.

Dogs for Trump must be next.

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BlackPearl  Jul 31, 2017 • 8:35:26am

re: #97 dangerman

I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to bulldoze you! Especially when you’re having to type on a phone - that’s not fighting fair! :)

I may just be feeling guilty because I haven’t been to the doctor in so long - and I have no $ excuse!

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Sir John Barron  Jul 31, 2017 • 8:35:42am

re: #86 Backwoods_Sleuth

Just saw him in something recently, too.

This:

imdb.com

A small role.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 31, 2017 • 8:36:14am
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Targetpractice  Jul 31, 2017 • 8:37:10am

re: #104 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Gee, I hope Skeletor isn’t expecting prompt and overwhelming response from D.C.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 31, 2017 • 8:37:43am

re: #101 ObserverArt

Old as hills marketing axiom: Kids and dogs.

Dogs for Trump must be next.

Why do Leftist Libtards hate Dogs so much?!?!?!??!

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makeitstop  Jul 31, 2017 • 8:38:25am

re: #101 ObserverArt

Old as hills marketing axiom: Kids and dogs.

Dogs for Trump must be next.

My dog has volunteered to pee on him, having heard he likes that sort of thing.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 31, 2017 • 8:39:10am

re: #100 Targetpractice

That’s because he continues to see himself not as President* of the United States, but as CEO of United States Inc. Which is what makes the whole situation so frustrating to him, because his “board” can’t make things happen magically, the “union” refuses to bend to his demands and isn’t responding to his threats, and the “stockholders” are losing faith in him at a rapid pace.

No he doesn’t see himself as a CEO, because he never was a CEO, just a guy who played a CEO on TV.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 31, 2017 • 8:40:21am

re: #105 Targetpractice

Gee, I hope Skeletor isn’t expecting prompt and overwhelming response from D.C.

Luckily for Shitler and Skeletor (and Florida), the storm is rather unremarkable right now and will probably be a nothingburger for the most part.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 31, 2017 • 8:41:59am

re: #105 Targetpractice

Gee, I hope Skeletor isn’t expecting prompt and overwhelming response from D.C.

What? Am I supposed to do something?

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Sir John Barron  Jul 31, 2017 • 8:43:04am

re: #98 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh

Reclaiming my time….

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ObserverArt  Jul 31, 2017 • 8:43:06am

re: #76 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Awww damn. He was a good actor and playwright etc. R.I.P. Sam. Thanks for the entertainment.

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dangerman  Jul 31, 2017 • 8:45:53am

re: #102 BlackPearl

I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to bulldoze you! Especially when you’re having to type on a phone - that’s not fighting fair! :)

I may just be feeling guilty because I haven’t been to the doctor in so long - and I have no $ excuse!

I win. See I was right. Sad!
////////Jk

No worries. It was half baked from the start

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makeitstop  Jul 31, 2017 • 8:46:10am

For some unexplained reason, my Facebook feed is full of 9/11 Truthers this morning.

Did Alex Jones mention it again recently or something? Or is it just getting to be Truther season a little early this year?

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dangerman  Jul 31, 2017 • 8:48:25am

My trump flags didn’t show up…..
Hard to be funny on a phone if you’re not the twittler in Chief

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Dr. Matt  Jul 31, 2017 • 8:50:32am

re: #114 makeitstop

For some unexplained reason, my Facebook feed is full of 9/11 Truthers this morning.

Did Alex Jones mention it again recently or something? Or is it just getting to be Truther season a little early this year?

This? —> 9/11 truther Charlie Sheen is starring in a 9/11 movie and, yes, this is real life

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Eventual Carrion  Jul 31, 2017 • 8:50:44am

re: #67 Sir John Barron

We have to wait till 2018?

/

Any successful election for the opposition party is a coup. And probably had MILLIONS of undocumented people voting in it, not to mention bused in homeless people and probably some underage sex slaves from the pizza parlors.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 31, 2017 • 8:51:12am
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Belafon  Jul 31, 2017 • 8:52:39am

re: #97 dangerman

I wasn’t advocating just experimenting with some thoughts in a more free market context only. Clearly I’m gonna lose this. And I can’t be comprehensive on a phone

Let’s all just be well

Because I can type pretty fast on a regular keyboard, what I type tends to match my thinking. On a phone, because I’m much slower, what I write doesn’t always match the way I’m thinking about it.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 31, 2017 • 8:53:14am
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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 31, 2017 • 8:54:17am

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jaunte  Jul 31, 2017 • 8:54:25am

re: #120 The Vicious Babushka

Why is Paul Joseph Watson in North America?

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ObserverArt  Jul 31, 2017 • 8:55:00am

re: #108 The Vicious Babushka

No he doesn’t see himself as a CEO, because he never was a CEO, just a guy who played a CEO on TV.

And everything else he touched as a big businessman failed…and the rate he is going now he is on track to be as unsuccessful as president.

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MsJ  Jul 31, 2017 • 8:58:12am

re: #118 The Vicious Babushka

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BlackPearl  Jul 31, 2017 • 8:59:26am

re: #120 The Vicious Babushka

JFC. England is like, the poster child for massive population movements.

Picts->Celts->Saxons->Normans. I don’t even count the Romans as they didn’t bring a lot of people with them despite making major political/social impact.

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ObserverArt  Jul 31, 2017 • 9:00:45am

re: #116 Dr. Matt

This? —> 9/11 truther Charlie Sheen is starring in a 9/11 movie and, yes, this is real life

Groan.

Is being a follower of Alex Jones just a substitute for some of the drugs Charlie liked to do?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 31, 2017 • 9:02:20am

re: #118 The Vicious Babushka

“wages raising”. What. An. Idiot.

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MsJ  Jul 31, 2017 • 9:02:49am
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MsJ  Jul 31, 2017 • 9:11:02am

“I’m a conservative because I believe in a smaller government, lower taxes and a free market,” Walker wrote.

744 days later, sharing a stage with Donald Trump, the man who defeated him, Walker announced he was giving $3 billion in taxpayer money to a Taiwanese electronics manufacturer, Foxconn. …The stunning deal is 50 times larger than any previous public incentive package.

The Foxconn factory will likely be located in the Congressional district of House Speaker Paul Ryan, an Ayn Rand acolyte and avowed champion of free enterprise. Ryan, who joined Trump and Walker for the announcement, lashed out Obama for supporting “big business” with “crony capitalism” in a 2012 column entitled “Republicans Must Return To Free Market Principles.”
…..
In announcing the deal, Walker took no questions from the press. Asked later about critics who say the massive taxpayer subsidy to a profitable foreign manufacturer is unjustified, had a tart response: “Go suck lemons.”

Walker claimed a new Foxconn manufacturing plant in Wisconsin will create 13,000 new jobs.

But the Memorandum of Understanding between FoxConn and Walker only states that Foxconn will create “up to 13,000 jobs.” Meanwhile, the company says it “would be hiring 3,000 workers over four years.”

If 3,000 jobs are created, that means Wisconsin taxpayers will be paying Foxconn $1 million per new job. Walked has touted that the average pay for newly created jobs will by about $53,000 annually. At that salary, the subsidies paid out by taxpayers over 15 years will exceed that total amount paid to workers by more $200,000 per worker.

Foxconn will essentially be run by a workforce paid by Wisconsin taxpayers, while the profits go to Taiwanese taxpayers at the behest of politicians who cast themselves as champions of the free market.
….
The $3 billion subsidy is stunning, but it’s also just the beginning. It does not account for local governments which “will almost certainly have to put up huge undisclosed subsidies.”

Local governments will have to shell out for “the sewer lines, streets and other infrastructure to be built in what are now undeveloped fields.” In order for the deal to go through, state law would have to be amended to allow for local governments to borrow more money to finance the products. No one knows exactly how much.

Ideally, the loans are paid back through local tax revenue from Foxconn and others. But the deal could place local communities are serious financial risk.

The state would also need to borrow another $250 million to complete a highway.

Read the rest. Everything about supposed conservatives is bullshit. Every damned thing.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 31, 2017 • 9:12:39am
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nines09  Jul 31, 2017 • 9:13:11am

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Targetpractice  Jul 31, 2017 • 9:15:42am

re: #128 MsJ

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Oh, if only the media would agree with her and recognize that there is no “presidential” Trump waiting to pop up. There is simply the puffed-up asshole who they have been waiting two years to suddenly become anything but the douchebag he’s been since announcing his candidacy.

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nines09  Jul 31, 2017 • 9:16:51am

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retired cynic  Jul 31, 2017 • 9:18:37am

Looking at the photo of DT with his finger up his nose, what foreign (or domestic) dignitary is going to want to shake hands with him now? Gag.

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dangerman  Jul 31, 2017 • 9:18:51am

re: #130 Dr. Matt

[Embedded content]Say “handle” one more time.

betelgeuse

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MsJ  Jul 31, 2017 • 9:19:42am

re: #132 Targetpractice

Oh, if only the media would agree with her and recognize that there is no “presidential” Trump waiting to pop up. There is simply the puffed-up asshole who they have been waiting two years to suddenly become anything but the douchebag he’s been since announcing his candidacy his whole life.

Yeah.

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dangerman  Jul 31, 2017 • 9:20:23am

re: #119 Belafon

Because I can type pretty fast on a regular keyboard, what I type tends to match my thinking. On a phone, because I’m much slower, what I write doesn’t always match the way I’m thinking about it.

im back at my desk what’s got a real computer and keyboard
so y’all best watch out

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MsJ  Jul 31, 2017 • 9:20:35am

So the original story is history but I am curious as to whether this is true.

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MsJ  Jul 31, 2017 • 9:22:39am

And America is so broken many can’t look past Libturds.

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jaunte  Jul 31, 2017 • 9:24:52am

CBN reports:

Bible Studies at the White House: Who’s at the Heart of This Spiritual Awakening?
www1.cbn.com

Ralph Drollinger of Capitol Ministries told CBN News, “These are godly individuals that God has risen to a position of prominence in our culture.”

They’re all handpicked by President Donald Trump and Vice President Mike Pence.

“I don’t think Donald Trump has figured out that he chained himself to the Apostle Paul,” Drollinger laughed.

Drollinger is a former NBA-playing giant of a man with an even bigger calling. He founded Capitol Ministries with the idea that if you change the hearts of lawmakers, then their Christian world view will guide them to make good policies.

He’s started Bible studies in 40 state capitols, a number of foreign capitols, teaches weekly studies in the U.S. House and Senate and now leads about a dozen members of President Trump’s Cabinet in weekly studies of the scriptures.

Health Secretary Tom Price, Energy Secretary Rick Perry, Education Secretary Betsy DeVos, Agriculture Secretary Sunny Perdue, and CIA Director Mike Pompeo are just a few of the regulars.

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jeffreyw  Jul 31, 2017 • 9:29:46am

OK - so I clicked my ruby slippers while thrice saying “Reclaim My Time” and Autie Waters appeared, touched me with her wand, and I’m back in fucking Kansas. Hate it when that happens.

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Belafon  Jul 31, 2017 • 9:30:57am

re: #140 jaunte

CBN reports:

Bible Studies at the White House: Who’s at the Heart of This Spiritual Awakening?
www1.cbn.com

Yeah, let me know when a spiritual awakening actually occurs at this White House.

So many euphemisms for white supremacy.

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jaunte  Jul 31, 2017 • 9:31:33am

More about the fanatic “handpicked by Mike Pence” to run Bible studies in the White House:

“…Last year, Drollinger, who is the president of Capitol Ministries, a national evangelical organization that puts on the weekly lesson, had to move the Bible study from the governor’s suites after he labeled Catholicism, the religion of Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, a “false religion.” The group now meets in a legislative room.

And in April 2004, Drollinger embroiled himself and Capitol Ministries in more hot water when he wrote that working women who left children at home were sinners.

“Women with children at home,” wrote Drollinger in his weekly notes, “who either serve in public office, or are employed on the outside, pursue a path that contradicts God’s revealed design for them. It is a sin.”
newsreview.com

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Sir John Barron  Jul 31, 2017 • 9:32:04am

re: #140 jaunte

CBN reports:

Bible Studies at the White House: Who’s at the Heart of This Spiritual Awakening?
www1.cbn.com

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was making people think former casino owner and TV Apprentice pussy-grabber Trump and his merry gang of misanthropes are some kind of “godly” “Christians”.

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jaunte  Jul 31, 2017 • 9:34:08am

re: #144 Sir John Barron

They are absolutely open eyed and cynical about operating under the cover of Trump.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 31, 2017 • 9:34:45am

re: #140 jaunte

CBN reports:

Bible Studies at the White House: Who’s at the Heart of This Spiritual Awakening?
www1.cbn.com

The court evangelicals do this for every GOP administration, this granting of spiritual immunity, but that they’re continuing to try to pull this crap for the High Priest of Vulgarity is beyond the pale.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 31, 2017 • 9:34:48am
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jaunte  Jul 31, 2017 • 9:36:09am

re: #146 Sir John Barron

I’m sure Drollinger will be silent about Scaramucci being raised in a “false religion.”

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Sir John Barron  Jul 31, 2017 • 9:38:54am

re: #148 jaunte

I’m sure Drollinger will be silent about Scaramucci being raised in a “false religion.”

And the whole “sucking his *#@$” thing.

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JordanRules  Jul 31, 2017 • 9:39:00am
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Sir John Barron  Jul 31, 2017 • 9:41:10am

re: #150 JordanRules

Deep State coup.

/

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Belafon  Jul 31, 2017 • 9:45:27am

re: #147 The Vicious Babushka

Thus, “most Americans” aren’t paying attention.

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Timothy Watson  Jul 31, 2017 • 9:47:50am

re: #150 JordanRules

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[media]But the anxious, white working class hates Pelosi!!!1![/media]

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jaunte  Jul 31, 2017 • 9:51:43am
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Eventual Carrion  Jul 31, 2017 • 9:54:09am

re: #131 nines09

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Exactly, easy to be a hard-ass fuck when you have 3 armed bodyguards at your back. Fucking coward.

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jaunte  Jul 31, 2017 • 9:55:29am

I’m sure he’s eager to read that.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 31, 2017 • 9:57:54am

re: #156 jaunte

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I’m sure he’s eager to read that.

Only if it has pictures.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jul 31, 2017 • 9:58:22am

re: #156 jaunte

I’m sure he’s eager to read that.

Which he will pay as much attention to as he pays to his intelligence briefings; which is zero.

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jaunte  Jul 31, 2017 • 9:59:04am

re: #158 Colère Tueur de Lapin

“The Paperless White House.”

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 31, 2017 • 9:59:05am

re: #158 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Which he will pay as much attention to as he pays to his intelligence briefings; which is zero.

He doesn’t have intel briefings, he watches “Fox & Friends” instead.

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Timothy Watson  Jul 31, 2017 • 9:59:27am

re: #154 jaunte

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[Insert Trump hair joke here.]

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No Depression  Jul 31, 2017 • 9:59:29am

re: #154 jaunte

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He’s the exact opposite of Samson. He’s weak and doughy and has shitty hair.

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dangerman  Jul 31, 2017 • 9:59:48am

re: #155 Eventual Carrion

Exactly, easy to be a hard-ass fuck when you have 3 armed bodyguards at your back. Fucking coward.

elected officials singling out constituents (citizens) and attacking them

in person
on twitter
at the podium

weak

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jaunte  Jul 31, 2017 • 10:00:37am

re: #162 No Depression

Drollinger’s excited by the idea that Trump is going to knock everything down.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 31, 2017 • 10:02:32am

re: #156 jaunte

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I’m sure he’s eager to read that.

LOL it goes straight into the round filing cabinet.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 31, 2017 • 10:03:21am

re: #160 The Vicious Babushka

He doesn’t have intel briefings, he watches “Fox & Friends” instead.

Did Fox and Friends mention the Russian move to expel US diplomats and can FSNs? I’m guessing they soft-pedaled because I haven’t seen a peep from Trump.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 31, 2017 • 10:06:57am

re: #164 jaunte

Drollinger’s excited by the idea that Trump is going to knock everything down.

Bingo. Same thought I had.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 31, 2017 • 10:09:08am

re: #167 Eclectic Cyborg

Bingo. Same thought I had.

As I recall, Samson was a Levite and had great strength because he never cut his hair and was celibate. Then he met Delilah.

Trump does not resemble Samson in any way.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 31, 2017 • 10:10:18am

re: #162 No Depression

He’s the exact opposite of Samson. He’s weak and doughy and has shitty hair.

He still might kill us all though.

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jaunte  Jul 31, 2017 • 10:13:37am

The Real Origins of the Religious Right
They’ll tell you it was abortion. Sorry, the historical record’s clear: It was segregation.

“…it wasn’t until 1979—a full six years after Roe—that evangelical leaders, at the behest of conservative activist Paul Weyrich, seized on abortion not for moral reasons, but as a rallying-cry to deny President Jimmy Carter a second term. Why? Because the anti-abortion crusade was more palatable than the religious right’s real motive: protecting segregated schools. So much for the new abolitionism.”
politico.com

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lawhawk  Jul 31, 2017 • 10:14:54am

re: #29 lawhawk

Trump says the border secure.

If that’s true, then what the hell do we need to spend billions of dollars on a wall for? Xenophobia, bigotry, and misogyny are a dangerous drug/combination.

Oh, and he’s taking credit for the Supreme Court’s stolen seat - Gorsuch. Well, he did nominate the guy. Merrick Garland can’t be reached for comment.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 31, 2017 • 10:16:03am

re: #168 wheat-dogg

As I recall, Samson was a Levite and had great strength because he never cut his hair and was celibate. Then he met Delilah.

Trump does not resemble Samson in any way.

He does have the jawbone of an ass (his very own jawbone)

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lawhawk  Jul 31, 2017 • 10:16:28am

Curiously (well no), Trump hasn’t tweeted out that he’s got great polling this morning.

Trump reaches a new low in Rasmussen. It’s not any better anywhere else.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 31, 2017 • 10:18:05am

re: #170 jaunte

The Real Origins of the Religious Right
They’ll tell you it was abortion. Sorry, the historical record’s clear: It was segregation.

“School choice” is also modern-day segregation.

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Jay C  Jul 31, 2017 • 10:18:38am

re: #166 Barefoot Grin

Did Fox and Friends mention the Russian move to expel US diplomats and can FSNs? I’m guessing they soft-pedaled because I haven’t seen a peep from Trump.

I’m guessing that the relative silence from President Shitgibbon regarding the Russian “expulsion” move just MAY be because someone somewhere in the WH is
1) Trying to impress on Trump that this is a “serious” deal
2) Keep him away from his cellphone
3) Desperately trying to work out some sort of face-saving/conflict-resolving “deal” that will make The Assclown look “presidential” (i.e. something, anything less than an utter imbecile)
or some combination thereof….

I still get the malodorous reek of “crisis theater” about this whole Russian brouhaha: as I commented yesterthread, I’m thinking the whole affair has been carefully staged to try to give Trump some (any) sort of “diplomatic triumph”.
But given who “they” have to work with, WTH knows….?

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lawhawk  Jul 31, 2017 • 10:18:47am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 31, 2017 • 10:22:45am

Welp, this is embarrassing.

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dangerman  Jul 31, 2017 • 10:23:11am

re: #173 lawhawk

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Curiously (well no), Trump hasn’t tweeted out that he’s got great polling this morning.

Trump reaches a new low in Rasmussen. It’s not any better anywhere else.

and in that poll he’s also running very near the high end of the “disapprove” spectrum
many other pollsters have him at 52, 53, 56..
would be weird if ras cracks 60 first

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sagehen  Jul 31, 2017 • 10:25:22am

re: #154 jaunte

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That would be the same Samson that pulled down the entire structure while he was inside, killing everyone (including himself)?

Okay, sure, I’ll buy that analogy.

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BeachDem  Jul 31, 2017 • 10:27:53am

re: #177 The Vicious Babushka

Welp, this is embarrassing.

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I’m sure Nikki Haley will be tweeting about it soon. (She’s already done talking about NK and she’s solved all the problems in Venezuela, so she has some time on her “very capable” hands.)

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jaunte  Jul 31, 2017 • 10:29:43am

re: #177 The Vicious Babushka

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 31, 2017 • 10:30:00am
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MsJ  Jul 31, 2017 • 10:30:12am

LOL

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MsJ  Jul 31, 2017 • 10:38:39am

re: #183 MsJ

LOL

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holy shit. i think that is verbatim. i went back and read the original story and holy shit. I’m gobsmacked.

holy. shit.

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lawhawk  Jul 31, 2017 • 10:39:54am
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goddamnedfrank  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:05:53am

LOL.


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