New Lawsuit Alleges Fox News Conspired With Trump to Manufacture Fake “Seth Rich” Conspiracy Story

This is why Trump yells about “fake news” all the time - because he’s doing it himself
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A veteran Fox News contributor claims in a new lawsuit that the Trump White House and Fox News worked together to cook up the ugly “Seth Rich” conspiracy theory, to deflect attention away from the Trump gang’s ties to Russia.

This conspiracy theory (now accepted as gospel truth in much of the right wing, even though Fox News was forced to retract their original story) is that DNC staffer Seth Rich was murdered by mysterious forces to cover up his role in leaking the DNC emails that were published during the campaign by Wikileaks

The Fox contributor, Rod Wheeler, alleges that Fox News reporter Malia Zimmerman literally made up quotations and attributed them to him, and that wealthy Trump supporter Ed Butowsky boasted to Wheeler that Donald Trump himself had seen and approved drafts of the Fox story before it was aired.

On April 20, a month before the story ran, Butowsky and Wheeler — the investor and the investigator — met at the White House with then-press secretary Sean Spicer to brief him on what they were uncovering.

The first page of the lawsuit quotes a voicemail and text from Butowsky boasting that Trump himself had reviewed drafts of the Fox News story just before it went to air and was published.

Spicer now tells NPR that he took the meeting as a favor to Butowsky, a reliable Republican voice. Spicer says he was unaware of any contact involving the president. And Butowsky tells NPR that he was kidding about Trump’s involvement.

“Rod Wheeler unfortunately was used as a pawn by Ed Butowsky, Fox News and the Trump administration to try and steer away the attention that was being given about the Russian hacking of the DNC emails,” says Douglas Wigdor, Wheeler’s lawyer.

There we go again with the “kidding” excuse. The Trump gang sure does like to joke around about important matters. Must be a laff-a-minute in staff meetings.

This is really a stunning development, though; if true, it shows the Trump White House was directly involved in manufacturing fake news stories. It’s the bombshell news of the day; read the whole thing.

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411 comments

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Ace-o-aces  Aug 1, 2017 • 11:22:20am

‘Ol Rog doubles down on the crazy

Needless to say, this is all 100% BS.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Aug 1, 2017 • 11:24:04am

Who was the last president to die in prison?

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piratedan  Aug 1, 2017 • 11:25:17am

these really are some heinous sons of bitches… getting to the point where nothing would surprise me, no line that they wouldn’t cross….

hell at this point, if the GOP had put a hit out on Rich, I’d be tempted to believe it….

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 1, 2017 • 11:25:39am

re: #2 b.d. (bill d.)

Who was the last president who deserved to to die in prison?

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A Mom Anon  Aug 1, 2017 • 11:26:01am

Does the Rich family have any legal standing here? If it were my son they were using like this I would make sure I could hammer them with everything I could for as long as it took.

God these people do not care who they hurt. Psychopaths. And they lay claim to being the “culture of life”, “family values”, morals and all that is good. There just aren’t enough words for this vomitrocious mess.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 1, 2017 • 11:27:31am

“… Chuck Rosenberg, the DEA’s acting chief, sent an email to his entire workforce on Saturday expressing concern that Trump, his boss, had “condoned police misconduct regarding the treatment of individuals placed under arrest by law enforcement.”

“In writing to you, I seek to advance no political, partisan, or personal agenda. Nor do I believe that a Special Agent or Task Force Officer of the DEA would mistreat a defendant. I know that you would not,” Rosenberg wrote.

“So, why do I write? I write to offer a strong reaffirmation of the operating principles to which we, as law enforcement professionals, adhere,” he continued. “I write because we have an obligation to speak out when something is wrong. That’s what law enforcement officers do. That’s what you do. We fix stuff. At least, we try.” …”’

… “We must earn and keep the public trust and continue to hold ourselves to the very highest standards,” he wrote. “Ours is an honorable profession and, so, we will always act honorably.” …”

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makeitstop  Aug 1, 2017 • 11:29:25am

I’m sure someone from this administration will denounce this.
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Belafon  Aug 1, 2017 • 11:30:43am

re: #7 makeitstop

I’m sure someone from this administration will denounce this.
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They’ll denounce the intercepting. Nothing was wrong. ////

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Decatur Deb  Aug 1, 2017 • 11:30:47am

Off to vote in our town’s mayoral election—sacrifice to the Gods of Futility.

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makeitstop  Aug 1, 2017 • 11:30:51am

re: #6 FormerDirtDart

Apology Tour 2017: Trump tours, underlings apologize.

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KGxvi  Aug 1, 2017 • 11:31:36am

re: #4 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Who was the last president who deserved to to die in prison?

Jefferson Davis?

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weave  Aug 1, 2017 • 11:32:16am
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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 1, 2017 • 11:32:52am
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Sir John Barron  Aug 1, 2017 • 11:33:46am

re: #13 The Vicious Babushka

Why bother, if the meeting was a nothingburger that anyone would go to?

/

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 1, 2017 • 11:34:34am
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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 1, 2017 • 11:34:41am
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KGxvi  Aug 1, 2017 • 11:34:42am

re: #13 The Vicious Babushka

This is going from Stupid Watergate to Stupid The Godfather Part IV.

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retired cynic  Aug 1, 2017 • 11:35:03am

Ha!

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 1, 2017 • 11:35:23am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 1, 2017 • 11:35:24am

Anyone else noticed Pence always looks like he’s got something to hide?

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Stanley Sea  Aug 1, 2017 • 11:35:29am

re: #6 FormerDirtDart

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And Sessions just told a group of cops the yam was joking.

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MsJ  Aug 1, 2017 • 11:35:36am

re: #1 Ace-o-aces

‘Ol Rog doubles down on the crazy

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Needless to say, this is all 100% BS.

I can only hope that when these traitorous asshats are thrown in prison, Stone joins them. This guy is a colossal piece of shit.

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darthstar  Aug 1, 2017 • 11:36:51am
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Dr Lizardo  Aug 1, 2017 • 11:37:54am

re: #15 FormerDirtDart

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makeitstop  Aug 1, 2017 • 11:38:56am

re: #20 Eclectic Cyborg

Anyone else noticed Pence always looks like he’s got something to hide?

He always looks like he’s late for the bathroom to me.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 1, 2017 • 11:38:56am
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KGxvi  Aug 1, 2017 • 11:39:17am

re: #23 darthstar

Makes me wonder what Nixon would have been like if he had twitter. He was obviously very paranoid by 1972, but he was infinitely smarter than Trump.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 1, 2017 • 11:39:22am

re: #23 darthstar

“Whoever is not for us is against us!”

MAGAbots: Trump loves America so much and is bringing people together!

/

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Stanley Sea  Aug 1, 2017 • 11:40:01am

The reporters I follow are eerily silent during this presser.

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makeitstop  Aug 1, 2017 • 11:40:06am

re: #23 darthstar

“Trump Enemies?” - We have a new term…

Careful, he may have it trademarked at this point.

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A Mom Anon  Aug 1, 2017 • 11:40:39am

re: #24 Dr Lizardo

(looks around furtively……) Well, we all already know that liberals support Planned Parenthood so we can harvest the babby partses for our bloodthirsty rituals to Satan, so I mean, it’s not like it’s a surprise to anyone….

(Do I have to use sarc tags here? Oh alright then)////////////////////

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freetoken  Aug 1, 2017 • 11:41:15am

I wonder if Huckabooboo realizes she is there just to be thrown under the bus one day?

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makeitstop  Aug 1, 2017 • 11:42:32am

re: #13 The Vicious Babushka

Sarah Sanders: “The statement that Don Jr. issued is true,” and Donald Sr. “weighed in as any father would.”

Someone should pull Sarah aside and let her know that Junior’s email negated that statement.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 1, 2017 • 11:43:32am
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Belafon  Aug 1, 2017 • 11:43:47am

re: #29 Stanley Sea

The reporters I follow are eerily silent during this presser.

Is she stepping in it enough she doesn’t need their help?

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 1, 2017 • 11:44:24am

re: #5 A Mom Anon

Does the Rich family have any legal standing here? If it were my son they were using like this I would make sure I could hammer them with everything I could for as long as it took.

God these people do not care who they hurt. Psychopaths. And they lay claim to being the “culture of life”, “family values”, morals and all that is good. There just aren’t enough words for this vomitrocious mess.

No they don’t. You can’t defame the dead.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 1, 2017 • 11:44:32am
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Danack  Aug 1, 2017 • 11:44:46am

Not sure if Imgur images inline…..lets find out:

Imgur

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 1, 2017 • 11:45:00am

re: #5 A Mom Anon

Does the Rich family have any legal standing here? If it were my son they were using like this I would make sure I could hammer them with everything I could for as long as it took.

God these people do not care who they hurt. Psychopaths. And they lay claim to being the “culture of life”, “family values”, morals and all that is good. There just aren’t enough words for this vomitrocious mess.

I hope that they do not fall in the same place that Screwpert Murdoch put the Tiller family in!

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makeitstop  Aug 1, 2017 • 11:46:36am

[headdesk]

Trump Wanted a Cheaper Air Force One. So the USAF Is Buying a Bankrupt Russian Firm’s Undelivered 747s

President Donald Trump said the projected cost of new Air Force One aircraft was too high, so the U.S. Air Force found a way to lower it: by buying a pair of Boeing 747 jetliners abandoned by a bankrupt Russian airline.

Air Force officials are now finalizing a contract with Boeing for the two planes, according to three defense officials with knowledge of the deal. The Pentagon could publicly announce the deal as soon as this week.

Can’t this guy do anything that doesn’t involve Russia?

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Kragar  Aug 1, 2017 • 11:46:59am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 1, 2017 • 11:47:26am

Hey, has Julian Assange or Kim Dotcom chimed in to defend Fox?

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makeitstop  Aug 1, 2017 • 11:48:42am

re: #42 Joe Bacon 🌹

Hey, has Julian Assange or Kim Dotcom chimed in to defend Fox?

I believe Wikileaks tweeted something this morning that attempted to distance themselves from this story.

When it’s too stanky for Wikileaks, that’s stanky.

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freetoken  Aug 1, 2017 • 11:48:52am

re: #37 Charles Johnson

Besides the thing on the Seth Rich story, what else is Huckabooboo commenting upon?

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Sir John Barron  Aug 1, 2017 • 11:49:03am

re: #37 Charles Johnson

There is no bottom

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makeitstop  Aug 1, 2017 • 11:51:02am
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sagehen  Aug 1, 2017 • 11:52:43am

re: #36 Big Beautiful Door

No they don’t. You can’t defame the dead.

True. But “intentional infliction of emotional distress” is a valid cause of action in civil law, and Seth’s parents have a good case. Just like the Sandy Hook parents when they sued Alex Jones.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 1, 2017 • 11:53:32am

re: #40 makeitstop

[headdesk]

Trump Wanted a Cheaper Air Force One. So the USAF Is Buying a Bankrupt Russian Firm’s Undelivered 747s

Can’t this guy do anything that doesn’t involve Russia?

It was just a few days ago I was reading that that company had not taken delivery of it’s order. Fell down a “Wiki-hole” after reading an article about what was likely the last 747 passenger aircraft to ever be built.

Both a/c are 747-8Is. Brand spanking new. The USAF will save a few dollars. But, likely both planes will practically have to be taken apart and reassembled. That will add to the discounted purchase price. Something that wouldn’t be needed with new builds.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 1, 2017 • 11:53:42am

re: #1 Ace-o-aces

‘Ol Rog doubles down on the crazy

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Needless to say, this is all 100% BS.

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dangerman  Aug 1, 2017 • 11:53:49am

re: #13 The Vicious Babushka

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Just a dad….while flying on air Force 1

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 1, 2017 • 11:55:16am

Well, is was only a matter of time…

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 1, 2017 • 11:57:15am

re: #23 darthstar

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Kragar  Aug 1, 2017 • 11:58:30am
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BeachDem  Aug 1, 2017 • 11:59:00am

re: #30 makeitstop

Careful, he may have it trademarked at this point.

I think Omarosa had already trademarked it for her enemies list. (I think she’s still keeping it, as I’ve seen it mentioned in the last few days. Omarosa’s true enemy is that blue dress she wore in the Mooch photo.)

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 1, 2017 • 11:59:00am

re: #26 Charles Johnson

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 1, 2017 • 11:59:45am
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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 1, 2017 • 12:00:46pm

Fun for the whole family with this now elderly but increasingly relevant app:

Carlos Labs Ground Zero

Have you ever wondered what would happen if a nuclear bomb goes off in your city? With Google’s Maps framework and a bit of Javascript, you can see the outcome.
And it does not look good.

This is a smallish 140 kt Chinese DF-31 warhead targeting Lubbock:


This is the same venue hosting Kim jong Un’s pipsqueak February 2013 device. At 7 kt, this barely qualifies as a nuke at all but it would be the end of Texas Tech if they shifted ground zero a little to the left from the rundown neighborhood where it sits now.
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FormerDirtDart  Aug 1, 2017 • 12:01:28pm

re: #52 FormerDirtDart

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BlueGrl21  Aug 1, 2017 • 12:01:33pm

re: #53 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

This is projection. I’m willing to bet CoS Kelly, as well as Trump’s lawyers, are trying to get his ass off Twitter. He’s pouting and responding to that pressure from them by….tweeting.

What a tiny-minded little man-child he is.

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Kragar  Aug 1, 2017 • 12:02:30pm
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dangerman  Aug 1, 2017 • 12:02:39pm

re: #40 makeitstop

[headdesk]

Trump Wanted a Cheaper Air Force One. So the USAF Is Buying a Bankrupt Russian Firm’s Undelivered 747s

Can’t this guy do anything that doesn’t involve Russia?

Ya gotta spend millions to save thousands

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 1, 2017 • 12:05:11pm

re: #19 FormerDirtDart

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Yes, keep on Pulpit Pimping.

This is why it’s time to take these moochers off of welfare and tax the churches!

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makeitstop  Aug 1, 2017 • 12:05:31pm

re: #55 BeachDem

I think Omarosa had already trademarked it for her enemies list. (I think she’s still keeping it, as I’ve seen it mentioned in the last few days. Omarosa’s true enemy is that blue dress she wore in the Mooch photo.)

Yeah. Don’t want to be catty here, but she looked like 20 pounds of potatoes in a 10 pound bag.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 1, 2017 • 12:05:49pm

re: #46 makeitstop

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wrenchwench  Aug 1, 2017 • 12:05:52pm

re: #56 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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Dishonesty is passed on socially, not genetically.

(sociological pedant here)

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sagehen  Aug 1, 2017 • 12:05:59pm

re: #52 FormerDirtDart

Well, is was only a matter of time…

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freetoken  Aug 1, 2017 • 12:05:59pm
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Eventual Carrion  Aug 1, 2017 • 12:08:08pm

re: #19 FormerDirtDart

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That so-called “pastors” bible must have left out the phrase “Thou shalt not bear false witness”. I bet there are lots of stuff this so-called “pastors” bible has left out (or ignored).

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Kragar  Aug 1, 2017 • 12:11:59pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 1, 2017 • 12:12:22pm

re: #61 Kragar

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 1, 2017 • 12:13:43pm
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dangerman  Aug 1, 2017 • 12:13:47pm

re: #65 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

[Embedded content].@SethAbramson We didn’t call it “Mussolinism”, so why call it “Trumpism” this time around

Analysis of history / hindsight

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 1, 2017 • 12:14:10pm

re: #68 freetoken

Every time I see her face, I feel like I’m on a psychedelic. No feature is quite where it belongs, and I keep waiting for them to snap into place.

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KGxvi  Aug 1, 2017 • 12:14:50pm

re: #69 Eventual Carrion

That so-called “pastors” bible must have left out the phrase “Thou shalt not bear false witness”. I bet there are lots of stuff this so-called “pastors” bible has left out (or ignored).

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freetoken  Aug 1, 2017 • 12:15:28pm

re: #74 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

She inherited the nature of her being from her father.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 1, 2017 • 12:17:04pm

re: #58 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Fun for the whole family with this now elderly but increasingly relevant app:

Carlos Labs Ground Zero

This is a smallish 140 kt Chinese DF-31 warhead targeting Lubbock:

[Embedded content]

Link broken & yes, I’m going to check.

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wrenchwench  Aug 1, 2017 • 12:17:13pm

re: #76 freetoken

She inherited the nature of her being from her father.

You’re making it tough

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dangerman  Aug 1, 2017 • 12:18:29pm

re: #71 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

[Embedded content]but the far-left enables them.

Exactly
You win by neutralizing their arguments, not copying them

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BeachDem  Aug 1, 2017 • 12:18:32pm

re: #46 makeitstop

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While true, it’s kind of ironic that Seth Abramson would call anyone a cultist.

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freetoken  Aug 1, 2017 • 12:18:51pm

re: #78 wrenchwench

We inherit our culture, as well as our DNA.

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wrenchwench  Aug 1, 2017 • 12:20:25pm

re: #81 freetoken

We inherit our culture, as well as our DNA.

Socially. Nurture, not nature.

If only she’d been adopted out…

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 1, 2017 • 12:21:43pm

re: #77 Stanley Sea

Link broken & yes, I’m going to check.

Try this. (Also fixed in original)

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Kragar  Aug 1, 2017 • 12:21:52pm
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freetoken  Aug 1, 2017 • 12:23:09pm

re: #82 wrenchwench

Yes, most of our inheritance has nothing to do with a nucleic acid.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 1, 2017 • 12:23:50pm

re: #60 BlueGrl21

This is projection. I’m willing to bet CoS Kelly, as well as Trump’s lawyers, are trying to get his ass off Twitter. He’s pouting and responding to that pressure from them by….tweeting.

What a tiny-minded little man-child he is.

All they gotta do is get Trump one of these puppies and he won’t be Tweeting anymore.

Introducing the Trump Twitter tantrum-proof phone!
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BeachDem  Aug 1, 2017 • 12:24:10pm

re: #60 BlueGrl21

This is projection. I’m willing to bet CoS Kelly, as well as Trump’s lawyers, are trying to get his ass off Twitter. He’s pouting and responding to that pressure from them by….tweeting.

What a tiny-minded little man-child he is.

Charlie Pierce:

But one thing we have learned, and one thing of which Robert Mueller is quite aware, is that this particular bull has a positive instinct for finding china shops where none existed before.

esquire.com

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Stanley Sea  Aug 1, 2017 • 12:24:43pm

re: #83 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Try this. (Also fixed in original)

Finally being inland has its benefits.

I’m safe.

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KGxvi  Aug 1, 2017 • 12:25:02pm

re: #36 Big Beautiful Door

No they don’t. You can’t defame the dead.

Best case scenario they might have a claim for intentional and/or negligent infliction of emotional distress. But those causes of action are always viewed with a jaundiced eye. And when they’re based on false statements made about the dead, they’re even harder

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dangerman  Aug 1, 2017 • 12:25:14pm

re: #84 Kragar

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Aaannnnnnd says we need tax reform to “fix”

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BeachDem  Aug 1, 2017 • 12:27:21pm

re: #74 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Every time I see her face, I feel like I’m on a psychedelic. No feature is quite where it belongs, and I keep waiting for them to snap into place.

I’m still mesmerized by the constant flapping of her left arm at yesterday’s liar’s club meeting (when she was wearing the pink dress.)

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Jenner7  Aug 1, 2017 • 12:30:10pm

Sanders says sanctions bill under review, but on Friday they said after reviewing it, Trump intends to sign it.

Another review? Having second thoughts? Don’t want to upset your boo?

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wrenchwench  Aug 1, 2017 • 12:32:13pm

re: #92 Jenner7

Sanders says sanctions bill under review, but on Friday they said after reviewing it, Trump intends to sign it.

Another review? Having second thoughts? Don’t want to upset your boo?

They’re waiting to hear back from Putin.

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freetoken  Aug 1, 2017 • 12:32:32pm

re: #92 Jenner7

Is Trump trying a faux pocket veto?

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sagehen  Aug 1, 2017 • 12:34:41pm

re: #82 wrenchwench

Socially. Nurture, not nature.

If only she’d been adopted out…

Not entirely. Epigenetics, it’s a thing.

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Kragar  Aug 1, 2017 • 12:34:45pm
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Sir John Barron  Aug 1, 2017 • 12:34:48pm

re: #92 Jenner7

Sanders says sanctions bill under review, but on Friday they said after reviewing it, Trump intends to sign it.

Another review? Having second thoughts? Don’t want to upset your boo?

Now says he hasn’t seen the bill, hasn’t come to his desk, has never heard of the bill, etc.

/

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Ace-o-aces  Aug 1, 2017 • 12:36:30pm

I’d almost feel sorry for him if he wasn’t an evil little twerp without an ounce of self awareness.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 1, 2017 • 12:38:59pm

re: #98 Ace-o-aces

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 1, 2017 • 12:39:56pm

re: #98 Ace-o-aces

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I’d almost feel sorry for him if he wasn’t an evil little twerp without an ounce of self awareness.

He’s considered a serious right-wing pundit by Conservatives on Quora. That’s how low Conservatism has gone.

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KGxvi  Aug 1, 2017 • 12:40:05pm

re: #84 Kragar

A) The election was not six months ago, it was 8 months ago
B) Trump was sworn in six months ago, when the Dow closed at 19,827
C) A 3,000 point increase from that starting point is about 15%
D) Trump has instituted zero policies which would affect the market, meaning the Obama era policies that Trump ran against are still in place
E) The day Obama was sworn the Dow closed at 7,945
F) On August 1, 2009, the Dow closed at 9286, which was a 17% increase
G) That was also the middle of the housing/banking meltdown, when unemployment was hovering around 9-10%
H) Today, unemployment is under 5%, and again, Trump has instituted zero policies that would affect the employment market

He basically wants credit for not fucking something up. Which, honestly, given his track record on everything else… is probably deserved?

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Sir John Barron  Aug 1, 2017 • 12:41:33pm

re: #99 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I’m actually surprised Ben bothered to tweet about this as opposed to some liberal outrage he’s always ready to derp about.

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dangerman  Aug 1, 2017 • 12:42:33pm

re: #101 KGxvi

A) The election was not six months ago, it was 8 months ago
B) Trump was sworn in six months ago, when the Dow closed at 19,827
C) A 3,000 point increase from that starting point is about 15%
D) Trump has instituted zero policies which would affect the market, meaning the Obama era policies that Trump ran against are still in place
E) The day Obama was sworn the Dow closed at 7,945
F) On August 1, 2009, the Dow closed at 9286, which was a 17% increase
G) That was also the middle of the housing/banking meltdown, when unemployment was hovering around 9-10%
H) Today, unemployment is under 5%, and again, Trump has instituted zero policies that would affect the employment market

He basically wants credit for not fucking something up. Which, honestly, given his track record on everything else… is probably deserved?

Everyone gets a ribbon!

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 1, 2017 • 12:43:17pm

re: #58 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

re: #77 Stanley Sea

Link broken & yes, I’m going to check.

NUKEMAP

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Ace-o-aces  Aug 1, 2017 • 12:44:35pm
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makeitstop  Aug 1, 2017 • 12:46:08pm

re: #105 Ace-o-aces

On the phone with Ed Butowsky, he tells me he suspended his own Twitter account temporarily because “people are so mean.”

These assholes can dish it out all damn day.

Take it? Triggered.

Fuck these wanna-be tough guys.

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wrenchwench  Aug 1, 2017 • 12:46:14pm

re: #95 sagehen

Not entirely. Epigenetics, it’s a thing.

My degree has expired. And I ain’t going back to school…

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MsJ  Aug 1, 2017 • 12:49:01pm

re: #40 makeitstop

[headdesk]

Trump Wanted a Cheaper Air Force One. So the USAF Is Buying a Bankrupt Russian Firm’s Undelivered 747s

Can’t this guy do anything that doesn’t involve Russia?

Oh the bugs it will contain.

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KGxvi  Aug 1, 2017 • 12:49:47pm

re: #94 freetoken

Is Trump trying a faux pocket veto?

It was presented to him on July 28, so he has until August 9 to sign or veto it. My guess is if he doesn’t sign it in the next day or two, neither house is going to go into recess.

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Kragar  Aug 1, 2017 • 12:53:05pm
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freetoken  Aug 1, 2017 • 12:53:17pm

re: #109 KGxvi

Congress doesn’t like losing their vacation. If they have to stay in DC just in case they have to act again on the sanctions, they will be none too happy.

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petesh  Aug 1, 2017 • 12:54:17pm

re: #105 Ace-o-aces

So … Butowski butted out?

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Belafon  Aug 1, 2017 • 12:55:15pm

re: #108 MsJ

Oh the bugs it will contain.

The plane never made it to them. Boeing still has it.

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dangerman  Aug 1, 2017 • 12:56:37pm

re: #113 Belafon

The plane never made it to them. Boeing still has it.

And there’s no sleeper spies at Boeing )-;
/// Half

115
sagehen  Aug 1, 2017 • 12:57:58pm

re: #107 wrenchwench

My degree has expired. And I ain’t going back to school…

Greatly simplified version:

If you were born in the 1950’s to parents who lived through the London Blitz, or the siege of Stalingrad, or years at Auscwisz… you’d be genetically distinct from siblings born before the war to those same parents. Significantly more distinct than the usual sibling differences. The trauma they endured altered their eggs and sperm sufficiently that these genetic differences are still measurable 3 generations later.

116
Barefoot Grin  Aug 1, 2017 • 12:58:01pm

re: #111 freetoken

Congress doesn’t like losing their vacation. If they have to stay in DC just in case they have to act again on the sanctions, they will be none too happy.

WH claims it hasn’t received the sanctions bill yet; Congress said it sent it last Friday. Maybe they forgot to put a stamp on the envelope.

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KGxvi  Aug 1, 2017 • 12:58:27pm

re: #111 freetoken

Congress doesn’t like losing their vacation. If they have to stay in DC just in case they have to act again on the sanctions, they will be none too happy.

It would be quite entertaining to watch Ryan and McConnell wave off Trump failing to sign the bill. Though I really think Trump wants to actually veto the bill. Which would be incredibly more entertaining, especially if he waited until the went into recess to do so.

118
KGxvi  Aug 1, 2017 • 12:59:09pm

re: #116 Barefoot Grin

WH claims it hasn’t received the sanctions bill yet; Congress said it sent it last Friday. Maybe they forgot to put a stamp on the envelope.

The White House’s website says it was presented on July 28.

119
dangerman  Aug 1, 2017 • 12:59:11pm

re: #110 Kragar

[Embedded content]

So Spicer fired and still there

Mooch starts working and is fired before official hire date

Who writes this stuff?

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ipsos  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:00:22pm

On the interstate almost to the end point of a five-day drive from western NY to Denver.

A: I think most of the West Wing staff has turned over just in the time we’ve been on the road.

B: There are way fewer Trump signs, stickers, MAGA hats out here than I’d have expected.

C: Hi, Anymouse! I’m in Ogallala right now :)

121
Ace-o-aces  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:01:04pm

This continues to be my favorite parody account:

122
Barefoot Grin  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:01:50pm

re: #118 KGxvi

The White House’s website says it was presented on July 28.

I’ll have to go back through the tweets I was reading. May have been Frum who made the claim.

123
dangerman  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:01:55pm

I am constantly,, pleasantly reminded of the depth and breadth of knowledge of the lgf community

This is a great place
I like it here

124
dangerman  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:02:55pm

re: #116 Barefoot Grin

WH claims it hasn’t received the sanctions bill yet; Congress said it sent it last Friday. Maybe they forgot to put a stamp on the envelope.

Always send USPS certified rrr

125
Ace Rothstein  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:04:36pm

126
Barefoot Grin  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:05:55pm

Here it is:

127
TedStriker  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:07:36pm

re: #125 Ace Rothstein

[Embedded content]

“Miss me yet?”

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BeachDem  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:08:27pm

Of all the massive bullshit SHS slung today, this is what “suprised” Maggie.

129
Jay C  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:08:30pm

re: #116 Barefoot Grin

WH claims it hasn’t received the sanctions bill yet; Congress said it sent it last Friday. Maybe they forgot to put a stamp on the envelope.

Maybe they sent Anthony Scaramucci over to pick it up at the Capitol, but he got fired before he got there?

130
wrenchwench  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:09:23pm

re: #115 sagehen

Greatly simplified version:

If you were born in the 1950’s to parents who lived through the London Blitz, or the siege of Stalingrad, or years at Auscwisz… you’d be genetically distinct from siblings born before the war to those same parents. Significantly more distinct than the usual sibling differences. The trauma they endured altered their eggs and sperm sufficiently that these genetic differences are still measurable 3 generations later.

Thanks. I respect it so long as it is inheritable.

I did visit Wikiversity.

When I was in my last year at college, sociobiology had just been invented, and I think I wrote a paper taking the ‘anti’ position. I theoretically know better then to think it all ended there. One of the valuable things I retain from college is to check the date of publication for all sources.

The one on my diploma gets a thumbs down.

131
Big Beautiful Door  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:13:07pm

re: #47 sagehen

True. But “intentional infliction of emotional distress” is a valid cause of action in civil law, and Seth’s parents have a good case. Just like the Sandy Hook parents when they sued Alex Jones.

I can’t find anything about a Sandy Hook suit against Jones. Do you have a link?

132
cat-tikvah  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:13:09pm

re: #20 Eclectic Cyborg

I read his perpetual squinty smile as his tell that he’s lying and knows it.

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KGxvi  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:14:31pm

re: #126 Barefoot Grin

It does not surprise me that they are claiming they haven’t received it. It also doesn’t surprise me that they are saying they haven’t received it when it has been put up on the White House’s website as pending, with a link to the House of Representative’s website showing that it has been passed and presented to the president.

I’m honestly wondering what happens if Trump tries to say it was never presented to him? That’s obviously (yet) a(nother) constitutional crisis and basis for impeachment. I just wonder if it’ll be the proverbial straw that breaks the camel’s back?

134
lawhawk  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:16:05pm

Reupping this tweet because it is evergreen:

All he does is lie, bully, or project his own failings/actions on to others.

It’s his script. It’s what animates him and what drives him.

He doesn’t care about the repercussions, and his response to negativity is to double down. He throws ever more outlandish nonsense out to deflect from the earlier nonsense.

It isn’t surprising in the least that Trump was behind the Seth Rich conspiracy theory chaff to deflect from Russia. It’s entirely in keeping with how he’s always operated.

What we’re seeing is the nexus between Trump and Faux News and how the two feed off each other and are absolutely antithetical to the functioning of the US government and US national security. Fox is busy pushing this conspiracy crap all while misinforming their viewers by omission of the real dangers of Trump working in cahoots with the Russians.

This is all Fox has done for years, and it has never been more explicit than now with Trump and Fox coordinating.

Both are a clear and present danger to the nation.

The Fox News response to this will be as it always has been:

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dangerman  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:16:07pm

re: #111 freetoken

Congress doesn’t like losing their vacation. If they have to stay in DC just in case they have to act again on the sanctions, they will be none too happy.

happens to real people all the time when boss changes your plans at the last minute.

cope.

136
Barefoot Grin  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:17:39pm

re: #133 KGxvi

It does not surprise me that they are claiming they haven’t received it. It also doesn’t surprise me that they are saying they haven’t received it when it has been put up on the White House’s website as pending, with a link to the House of Representative’s website showing that it has been passed and presented to the president.

I’m honestly wondering what happens if Trump tries to say it was never presented to him? That’s obviously (yet) a(nother) constitutional crisis and basis for impeachment. I just wonder if it’ll be the proverbial straw that breaks the camel’s back?

If there’s any truth to this anecdote from Robert Reich, then there’s already an air of inevitability about President Pence by 2018.

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dangerman  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:18:57pm

re: #128 BeachDem

Of all the massive bullshit SHS slung today, this is what “suprised” Maggie.

[Embedded content]This is a surprising statement since it’s easily proven otherwise …

you could almost pick any two tweets at random to demonstrate how easy it is to “prove otherwise”

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lawhawk  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:19:40pm

re: #128 BeachDem

Of all the massive bullshit SHS slung today, this is what “suprised” Maggie.

[Embedded content]

This is emblematic of the shit show that Trump has brought into the WH.

You cannot simply just wander into the Oval Office. The job of the CoS is to be gatekeeper to the schedule and the president’s time. If anyone can just wander in, that defeats the purpose.

Some people in an admin have the ability to go in and out as necessary - like a CoS or a Press Secretary, but this is very unusual and goes to the chaos that Trump has wrought by having all unqualified people and undisciplined people in his admin.

It also highlights his awful business sense that he is undisciplined and goes to his reactionary nature.

139
CBGB  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:20:37pm

re: #1 Ace-o-aces

Can someone PLEASE explain to me this Awan/DWS story? For the life of me, even dredging the fever swamps, I can’t figure out where they’re going with this. They were both leakers and Awan has info on the DNC murder of Rich?

Seriously, what the hell.

140
Ace-o-aces  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:21:06pm

re: #126 Barefoot Grin

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:22:28pm

re: #136 Barefoot Grin

If there’s any truth to this anecdote from Robert Reich, then there’s already an air of inevitability about President Pence by 2018.

[Embedded content]

Sorry, here’s part two:

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nines09  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:22:33pm

New defense will be “He was only a young man, unfamiliar with the business and Donald did what any father would do. So you hate Fathers, you libtard commie fag?”

Sarah Huckabee Sanders Suggests Trump ‘Weighed In On’ Son’s Response To Russia Meeting

Sarah needs more than makeup.

143
Stanley Sea  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:23:11pm

OH GOD another deranged transcript to go through.

Note the WSJ didn’t release it, Politico did.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:23:49pm

re: #142 nines09

New defense will be “He was only a young man, unfamiliar with the business and Donald did what any father would do. So you hate Fathers, you libtard commie fag?”

Sarah Huckabee Sanders Suggests Trump ‘Weighed In On’ Son’s Response To Russia Meeting

Sarah needs more than makeup.

[Embedded content]

Trumpito HAS FIVE CHILDREN

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Ace-o-aces  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:24:27pm

re: #139 CBGB

Can someone PLEASE explain to me this Awan/DWS story? For the life of me, even dredging the fever swamps, I can’t figure out where they’re going with this. They were both leakers and Awan has info on the DNC murder of Rich?

Seriously, what the hell.

Awan got busted for bank fraud. He did some IT work for Dems (setting up phone systems and printers, ext.). Wingnuts started baseless speculation he was connected to DNC leaks because he has IT in his job description. 0% evidence he is connected.
(And, of course, the fact he is a brown skinned mooslim is icing on the conspiracy cake)

146
nines09  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:24:54pm

re: #144 Stanley Sea

Trumpito HAS FIVE CHILDREN

THAT WE KNOW OF.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:25:58pm

re: #145 Ace-o-aces

Awan got busted for bank fraud. He did some IT work for Dems (setting up phone systems and printers, ext.). Wingnuts started baseless speculation he was connected to DNC leaks because he has IT in his job description. 0% evidence he is connected.
(And, of course, the fact he is a brown skinned mooslim is icing on the conspiracy cake)

Wow, that’s the holy trinity there, DNC leaks, Muslim, criminal, etc.

/

148
nines09  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:26:26pm

re: #144 Stanley Sea

And think of that field of unharvested idolatry.

149
Dr Lizardo  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:27:36pm

Well, good night Lizards. Time for the European branch of Lizardom to call it a day.

150
Sir John Barron  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:28:00pm

re: #126 Barefoot Grin

Here it is:

Trump is new at this whole presidenting thing so you know….

/

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wrenchwench  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:28:46pm

re: #147 Sir John Barron

Wow, that’s the holy trinity there, DNC leaks, Muslim, criminal, etc.

/

With chocolate frosting!

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freetoken  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:28:56pm

From Politico:

WSJ: He’s the Russian guy. So Sessions has recused himself, but is Bob Mueller’s job safe? There is speculation -

PRESIDENT TRUMP: No, we’re going to see. I mean, I have no comment yet, because it’s too early. But we’ll see. We’re going to see. Here’s the good news: I was never involved with Russia. There was nobody in the campaign. I’ve got 200 people that will say that they’ve never seen anybody on the campaign. Here’s another - he was involved early. There’s nobody on the campaign that saw anybody from Russia. We had nothing to do with Russia. They lost an election and they came up with this as an excuse. And the only ones that are laughing are the Democrats and the Russians. They’re the only ones that are laughing. And if Jeff Sessions didn’t recuse himself, we wouldn’t even be talking about this subject.

Just wow.

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dangerman  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:29:28pm

re: #141 Barefoot Grin

Sorry, here’s part two:

[Embedded content]

“they don’t have to plot against him. it will be obvious to everyone that he’s got to go”

…to everyone who helped get him elected and have been enabling him every single step of the way since.

the rest of us have been standing here waiting for them to catch up
but of course, its not in their individual or collective self interest yet…

154
Stanley Sea  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:29:31pm

re: #146 nines09

THAT WE KNOW OF.

lol

For real

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Sir John Barron  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:29:39pm

re: #152 freetoken

From Politico:

Just wow.

Is this new? Or previous Trump word salad?

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freetoken  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:30:08pm

re: #155 Sir John Barron

It’s just the way Trump said all these things. WSJ had of course a redacted version of the Trump interview.

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ericblair  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:31:46pm

re: #133 KGxvi

I’m honestly wondering what happens if Trump tries to say it was never presented to him? That’s obviously (yet) a(nother) constitutional crisis and basis for impeachment. I just wonder if it’ll be the proverbial straw that breaks the camel’s back?

Where I’ve worked we’d go with the timestamp in the system that sends it to the other party. They’ve constructively received it when we sent it and it was marked as received. This is so stupid, anyway: what’s he going to say, he knew nothing about it? If the dog ate it or it was in his other pants or someone must have left it out in the rain or whatever fucking bullshit, it’s law 10 days after date of receipt, unless they’re in recess.

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dangerman  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:34:44pm

re: #152 freetoken

From Politico:

Just wow.

remember when i said he couldnt hold forth on any single topic for 5 minutes?
yep. about a week ago. good times

159
bratwurst  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:34:51pm

He’s already putting Kelly on notice…unreal.

160
freetoken  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:35:00pm

MR. BAKER: But we can’t expect any more staff changes in the immediate - in the immediate future?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: No, I don’t think so.

MR. BAKER: No?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: But I’m very happy with Anthony. I think Anthony is going to do amazing.

161
Dr. Matt  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:36:13pm

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

MR. BAKER: Consumer confidence at a 17-year high.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: What did you say?

MR. BAKER: Consumer confidence at a 17-year high.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Can you believe it? Isn’t that nice. There’s good reason for it, too, and I think we’re doing pretty well on health care. We’ll see.

162
wheat-dogg  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:37:21pm

re: #54 Kragar

Don’t forget this one.

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wrenchwench  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:38:54pm

re: #159 bratwurst

He’s already putting Kelly on notice…unreal.

[Trump says he wants more people to talk about stock market high: “I keep telling Gen. Kelly: Come on, let’s go, you’re chief of staff.”]

MAKE THESE PEOPLE SAY NICE THINGS ABOUT ME!

164
EPR-radar  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:39:06pm

re: #159 bratwurst

I wonder what General Kelly thinks of being tasked with cheerleading for the tr*mp cesspit of Satan.

165
lawhawk  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:39:15pm
166
austin_blue  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:39:19pm

re: #143 Stanley Sea

OH GOD another deranged transcript to go through.

Note the WSJ didn’t release it, Politico did.

[Embedded content]

Everyone should read this. The man is certifiable- an absolutely insane human. Who talks like that?

167
Sir John Barron  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:40:08pm

re: #166 austin_blue

Everyone should read this. The man is certifiable- an absolutely insane human. Who talks like that?

Our so-called president does.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:41:30pm

re: #159 bratwurst

He’s already putting Kelly on notice…unreal.

I know I said the stock market highs during Obama were crap and a bubble but now that I’m president the stock market highs are really terrific, just the best, no bubble, believe me.

169
Sir John Barron  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:42:29pm

re: #160 freetoken

Anthony. Anthony…. Sounds familiar, rings a bell, but can’t place him…

/

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dangerman  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:43:59pm

re: #165 lawhawk

[Embedded content]White House confirms that Trump’s lawyer lied.

Another way to frame: Trump’s lawyer is obstructing justice.
Another way: Trump lied.

re: #137 dangerman

you could almost pick any two tweets at random to demonstrate how easy it is to “prove otherwise”

171
FormerDirtDart  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:44:11pm
172
ObserverArt  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:45:04pm

re: #138 lawhawk

This is emblematic of the shit show that Trump has brought into the WH.

You cannot simply just wander into the Oval Office. The job of the CoS is to be gatekeeper to the schedule and the president’s time. If anyone can just wander in, that defeats the purpose.

Some people in an admin have the ability to go in and out as necessary - like a CoS or a Press Secretary, but this is very unusual and goes to the chaos that Trump has wrought by having all unqualified people and undisciplined people in his admin.

It also highlights his awful business sense that he is undisciplined and goes to his reactionary nature.

It’s the Trump White House…he probably lets people wander in because he isn’t really doing anything and he just loves attention.

Everyone that drops in gets to hear about what happened on Nov. 8th, how much red his EC maps show and how popular he is in Poland.

Now if Kelly can get him busy doing actual Presidential type stuffs maybe they can keep people away from him.

173
EPR-radar  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:45:30pm

re: #171 FormerDirtDart

tr*mp is a megalomaniac.

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Jay C  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:46:03pm

re: #156 freetoken

It’s just the way Trump said all these things. WSJ had of course a redacted version of the Trump interview.

And I’m sure that even if the WSJ edited the interview to make Trump sound like Winston Fucking Churchill, he* would still come across as a gibbering idiot, incapable of expressing anything but the most banal nonsense.

*Trump,not Churchill

175
dangerman  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:46:15pm

re: #166 austin_blue

Everyone should read this. The man is certifiable- an absolutely insane human. Who talks like that?

this is post word-salad

he’s not trying to bluff his way, he’s disconnected

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austin_blue  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:46:56pm

re: #167 Sir John Barron

Our so-called president does.

Did you that…thing, JB?

Our Prexy is so far out to sea that he doesn’t need to concern himself with rocks and shoals.

Atolls, maybe. I mean this is just bull goose Loony Tunes stuff.

Unreal.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:47:01pm

re: #173 EPR-radar

tr*mp is a megalomaniac.

Yeah but Obama said “I” a few times in a speech….

/

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Decatur Deb  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:52:22pm

re: #164 EPR-radar

I wonder what General Kelly thinks of being tasked with cheerleading for the tr*mp cesspit of Satan.

He should have read the job description.

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A Mom Anon  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:53:33pm

This just keeps getting weirder. And scarier. I feel like we’re stuck in a Steven King novel, only badly written and there’s more than one clown that’s out to kill us all. Man, it’s not like there were any warning signals or anything…..

History is not going to be kind to the people who made this possible. At least I hope so.

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freetoken  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:53:33pm

re: #174 Jay C

That Politico piece started off with the WSJ in-house get together where the chief editorial honcho basically told any reporters that if they don’t agree with the WSJ approach to Trump then they should leave.

With that, it’s pretty clear that Murdoch is still willing for his companies to carry Trump’s water.

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dangerman  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:54:11pm

re: #176 austin_blue

Did you that…thing, JB?

Our Prexy is so far out to sea that he doesn’t need to concern himself rocks and shoals.

Atolls, maybe. I mean this is just bull goose Loony Tunes stuff.

Unreal.

a post over at political wire: “It’s weapons-grade bonkers”

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:54:16pm
183
KGxvi  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:55:15pm

re: #157 ericblair

Where I’ve worked we’d go with the timestamp in the system that sends it to the other party. They’ve constructively received it when we sent it and it was marked as received. This is so stupid, anyway: what’s he going to say, he knew nothing about it? If the dog ate it or it was in his other pants or someone must have left it out in the rain or whatever fucking bullshit, it’s law 10 days after date of receipt, unless they’re in recess.

I think there is still some arcane formal system of presentation where a congressional page or staffer hand delivers the bill to the White House. But I’m not entirely sure.

184
Sir John Barron  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:56:34pm

So this was a July 25th interview that’s just being released now?

185
Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:56:47pm

re: #104 FormerDirtDart

NUKEMAP

That’s much better. Thanks.

186
Belafon  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:56:55pm

re: #182 FormerDirtDart

Saw that at Daily Kos: dailykos.com:

Lt. Col. Amy McGrath (Ret.) has launched a Congressional bid for Kentucky’s 6th district and her introductory ad is phenomenal. McGrath is a former Marine fighter pilot who flew 85 combat missions in Iraq and Afghanistan. She was inducted into the Hall of Fame at the Aviation Museum in Kentucky in November 2016. She’ll be facing Republican Andy Barr in Kentucky’s 6th District, which Barr narrowly won in 2012.

187
Big Beautiful Door  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:56:58pm

re: #179 A Mom Anon

This just keeps getting weirder. And scarier. I feel like we’re stuck in a Steven King novel, only badly written and there’s more than one clown that’s out to kill us all. Man, it’s not like there were any warning signals or anything…..

History is not going to be kind to the people who made this possible. At least I hope so.

Future histories will be limited to 140 characters. #MAGA! /

188
dangerman  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:57:44pm

re the “disapproval” polls out today:

189
Dr. Matt  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:58:27pm

Actually quote:

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Because people were saying, Trump has not produced. I honestly believe for six months I have done more than just about any president when you
look at all of the bills that were passed, 42, 43.

Wow.

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ObserverArt  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:58:34pm

re: #152 freetoken

From Politico:

Just wow.

So the Democrats lost the election but came up with an excuse…BEFORE the election.

I guess the October 7th news that it was confirmed the Russians hacked the DNC and Podesta emails was Hillary and the Democrats starting to build the excuse.

They must have learned some of those tricks from Obama and his family and how they got illegal records of his birth made up so they could begin tricking everyone for 45 years and sneak him in as a Kenyan U.S. Presidential candidate.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:58:41pm

re: #188 dangerman

re the “disapproval” polls out today:

[Embedded content]

Is he actually tweeting this?

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Decatur Deb  Aug 1, 2017 • 1:59:33pm

re: #188 dangerman

re: #191 Sir John Barron

Is he actually tweeting this?

realclearpolitics.com

193
Jenner7  Aug 1, 2017 • 2:00:09pm

In the middle of answering a question about his proudest moments, Trump talks about his crowd in WV. My god, his attention span is something else.

194
dangerman  Aug 1, 2017 • 2:00:46pm

re: #179 A Mom Anon

This just keeps getting weirder. And scarier. I feel like we’re stuck in a Steven King novel, only badly written and there’s more than one clown that’s out to kill us all. Man, it’s not like there were any warning signals or anything…..

History is not going to be kind to the people who made this possible. At least I hope so.

nope. not a one of them.
and imo it will be brutal

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Dr. Matt  Aug 1, 2017 • 2:01:04pm

re: #188 dangerman

re the “disapproval” polls out today:

[Embedded content]

Is that an actual tweet?

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Sir John Barron  Aug 1, 2017 • 2:01:36pm

re: #188 dangerman

re the “disapproval” polls out today:

[Embedded content]

I didn’t see this on his feed though…

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 1, 2017 • 2:01:56pm
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dangerman  Aug 1, 2017 • 2:02:15pm

re: #184 Sir John Barron

So this was a July 25th interview that’s just being released now?

they needed time to have it translated - or is that interpreted

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Sir John Barron  Aug 1, 2017 • 2:02:52pm

re: #198 dangerman

they needed time to have it translated - or is that interpreted

needed to be decoded.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 1, 2017 • 2:03:11pm

re: #196 Sir John Barron

I didn’t see this on his feed though…

When we can’t hope to tell real from fake they have achieved their goal.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 1, 2017 • 2:03:41pm

re: #184 Sir John Barron

So this was a July 25th interview that’s just being released now?

Politico released it - the WSJ refrained from doing so.

Wonder why…

CRAY

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 1, 2017 • 2:04:01pm
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dangerman  Aug 1, 2017 • 2:05:47pm

re: #190 ObserverArt

So the Democrats lost the election but came up with an excuse…BEFORE the election.

I guess the October 7th news that it was confirmed the Russians hacked the DNC and Podesta emails was Hillary and the Democrats starting to build the excuse.

They must have learned some of those tricks from Obama and his family and how they got illegal records of his birth made up so they could begin tricking everyone for 45 years and sneak him in as a Kenyan U.S. Presidential candidate.

OT - if they were that prescient and machiavellian, they could have come to the u.s. for the delivery. woulda been incontrovertible, though undoubtedly the other team woulda found something, anything else…
// 1/2

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dangerman  Aug 1, 2017 • 2:06:45pm

re: #191 Sir John Barron

Is he actually tweeting this?

a parody account or photoshop
fun, still

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Dr. Matt  Aug 1, 2017 • 2:07:59pm

It is late July and Shitler is still obsessing over his electoral college victory:

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Well, they tried - they tried it with me. She spent hundreds of millions of dollars on negative ads. She didn’t do a positive ad, virtually. And she lost easily, you know, 306 to 223 I think, right - 223, something like that. That’s a lot. And she - they tried it.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 1, 2017 • 2:09:18pm

re: #195 Dr. Matt

Is that actual tweet?

nah

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dangerman  Aug 1, 2017 • 2:12:08pm

ok, i coulda been more clear

the numbers are real

likely a parody account

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Decatur Deb  Aug 1, 2017 • 2:12:19pm

re: #206 Stanley Sea

nah

How can we distinguish?

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dangerman  Aug 1, 2017 • 2:14:27pm

re: #16 The Vicious Babushka

[Embedded content]Sanders on Trump’s role in the statement: “He certainly didn’t dictate, but…he weighed in, offered suggestion, like any father would do.”

…to help his son deceive the public

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Decatur Deb  Aug 1, 2017 • 2:14:43pm

re: #207 dangerman

ok, i coulda been more clear

the numbers are real

likely a parody account

The numbers from RCP are real, but the opposite of good for Trump. It has become totally believable that he would stupidly or dishonestly claim the opposite.

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dangerman  Aug 1, 2017 • 2:15:10pm

re: #208 Decatur Deb

How can we distinguish?

that’s why i didnt editorialize it

how indeed?

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Stanley Sea  Aug 1, 2017 • 2:15:49pm

re: #208 Decatur Deb

How can we distinguish?

He’d never tweet out bad numbers.

Plus tapp out

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Jay C  Aug 1, 2017 • 2:16:37pm

re: #207 dangerman

ok, i coulda been more clear

the numbers are real

likely a parody account

So? “President” Trump’s real tweets read mostly like “parody accounts” anyway; it’s hard to tell…

Interesting, though that Rasmussen - normally regarded as GOP hacks - logs the highest “disapprove” number in RCP’s recap (61%!).

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dangerman  Aug 1, 2017 • 2:17:05pm

re: #212 Stanley Sea

He’d never tweet out bad numbers.

Plus tapp out

so you wanna throw logic at this? (jk)

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Decatur Deb  Aug 1, 2017 • 2:17:17pm

re: #212 Stanley Sea

He’d never tweet out bad numbers.

Plus tapp out

He would tweet out bad numbers and insist they are good.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 1, 2017 • 2:17:41pm

re: #208 Decatur Deb

How can we distinguish?

You actually have to go to the doofus’s real twitter account.

Painful.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 1, 2017 • 2:18:40pm

re: #216 Sir John Barron

You actually have to go to the doofus’s real twitter account.

Painful.

I see twitter only at LGF, as through a glass, darkly.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 1, 2017 • 2:21:14pm

re: #217 Decatur Deb

I see twitter only at LGF, as through a glass, darkly.

Me, too, most days, but I’m home teleworking today so I have my twitter phone with me.

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ObserverArt  Aug 1, 2017 • 2:21:53pm

re: #193 Jenner7

In the middle of answering a question about his proudest moments, Trump talks about his crowd in WV. My god, his attention span is something else.

[Embedded content]

45,000? For him?

They were Boy Scouts attending the BSofA Jamboree. There would have been 40,000 there anyway, which was the intended attendance.

Feed the Big Ego of The Don.

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nines09  Aug 1, 2017 • 2:21:56pm

...

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 1, 2017 • 2:22:07pm
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BeachDem  Aug 1, 2017 • 2:23:06pm

re: #143 Stanley Sea

OH GOD another deranged transcript to go through.

Note the WSJ didn’t release it, Politico did.

[Embedded content]

I’m part way through it and my head hurts. So far—

who is it that the yam calls “Mr. Elegant?”

We have - nobody knows what the number is. I mean, it used to be, when we talked during the debate, 2 1/2 trillion (dollars), right, when the most elegant person - right? I call him Mr. Elegant. I mean, that was a great debate. We did such a great job.

No idea what/who he’s talking about.

Oh, and the Boy Scout speech had a 100% positive reaction—no mix. No mix (you’re the mix.)

Then, he calls “major, major countries…like countries, you know, fairly large, like 300 million people. You know, a lot of people say - they say, well, but the United States is large. And then you call places like Malaysia, Indonesia, and you say, you know, how many people do you have? And it’s pretty amazing how many people they have. “

Again with “a lot of people say, ” and btw, yam, only 3 countries have populations over 300 million people, the US, Chyyhna and India. He was blabbering about gdp, but it was so muddled, it made no sense.

And nice that Ivanka dropped in for a chat and the yam joked that Baker stole the name Arabella from Ivanka—except that Baker’s kid is 15 (they were just joking around, but of course, the yam had to be the alpha dog.)

Still reading—I’ll be back…

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nines09  Aug 1, 2017 • 2:23:12pm

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Sir John Barron  Aug 1, 2017 • 2:23:35pm

re: #219 ObserverArt

45,000? For him?

They were Boy Scouts attending the BSofA Jamboree. There would have been 40,000 there anyway, which was the intended attendance.

Feed the Big Ego of The Don.

Boyscouts had a big yuuuuge jamboree just for dTurmp.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 1, 2017 • 2:23:42pm

re: #221 FormerDirtDart

Can she fucking shoot?

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 1, 2017 • 2:24:18pm

re: #221 FormerDirtDart

[Embedded content]

with luck Trump will forget about his tweet and a real directive will never be sent to the Pentagon.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 1, 2017 • 2:25:37pm

re: #226 Big Beautiful Door

with luck Trump will forget about his tweet and a real directive will never be sent to the Pentagon.

Trump’s already forgotten tweets he sent this morning.

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ObserverArt  Aug 1, 2017 • 2:27:33pm

re: #222 BeachDem

I’m part way through it and my head hurts. So far—

who is it that the yam calls “Mr. Elegant?”

No idea what/who he’s talking about.

Oh, and the Boy Scout speech had a 100% positive reaction—no mix. No mix (you’re the mix.)

Then, he calls “major, major countries…like countries, you know, fairly large, like 300 million people. You know, a lot of people say - they say, well, but the United States is large. And then you call places like Malaysia, Indonesia, and you say, you know, how many people do you have? And it’s pretty amazing how many people they have. “

Again with “a lot of people say, ” and btw, yam, only 3 countries have populations over 300 million people, the US, Chyyhna and India. He was blabbering about gdp, but it was so muddled, it made no sense.

And nice that Ivanka dropped in for a chat and the yam joked that Baker stole the name Arabella from Ivanka—except that Baker’s kid is 15 (they were just joking around, but of course, the yam had to be the alpha dog.)

Still reading—I’ll be back…

I hope you have protection. Reading that can cause permanent brain damage.

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KGxvi  Aug 1, 2017 • 2:29:10pm

re: #228 ObserverArt

I hope you have protection. Reading that can cause permanent brain damage.

All the drinking I did in college and law school did not prepare me for reading that

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Sir John Barron  Aug 1, 2017 • 2:32:20pm

re: #229 KGxvi

All the drinking I did in college and law school did not prepare me for reading that

Maybe the WSJ was withholding it for public safety reasons, knowing the derpness of the responses would cause significant damage.

/

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Jenner7  Aug 1, 2017 • 2:32:50pm

Imagine Obama saying “That White House is a real dump.” Hoo boy…

It would be a full week on CNN and Fox.

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austin_blue  Aug 1, 2017 • 2:35:45pm

re: #225 Decatur Deb

Can she fucking shoot?

I would think so. She’s in the 1st Cavalry. That’s a tough-as-nails bunch of soldiers. As they like to say:

“If anyone could do it, we’d be called the Infantry.”

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dangerman  Aug 1, 2017 • 2:37:18pm

re: #231 Jenner7

Imagine Obama saying “That White House is a real dump.” Hoo boy…

It would be a full week on CNN and Fox.

it’d still be on fox…

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Decatur Deb  Aug 1, 2017 • 2:38:32pm

re: #232 austin_blue

I would think so. She’s in the 1st Cavalry. That’s a tough-as-nails bunch of soldiers. As they like to say:

“If anyone could do it, we’d be called the Infantry.”

My grade school military instructor was a one-legged E7 from the Korea part of 1st Cav. His greatest shame was that the guys who pulled him off a hill were Marines.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 1, 2017 • 2:39:43pm
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retired cynic  Aug 1, 2017 • 2:39:58pm

re: #229 KGxvi

All the drinking I did in college and law school did not prepare me for reading that

I tried, and I just can’t. He is just such a stupid jerk.

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BeachDem  Aug 1, 2017 • 2:42:45pm

Oh, that yam, he’s such a man of the people—totally understands the plight of the poor and middle class…

(again from the wsj interview about all the billions of companies that are going to build plants because he told them to, and they’re going to need people, like the poor slobs in upstate NY)

I’m going to explain you can leave, it’s OK, don’t worry about your house.

You know, a lot of them don’t leave because of their house. Because they say, gee, my house, I thought it was worth 70,000 (dollars) and now it’s worth nothing. It’s OK. Go, cut your losses, right?

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KGxvi  Aug 1, 2017 • 2:43:52pm

re: #236 retired cynic

I tried, and I just can’t. He is just such a stupid jerk.

Oh, I was just talking about the excerpt above. I didn’t actually try to read the whole thing.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 1, 2017 • 2:44:10pm

re: #232 austin_blue

I would think so. She’s in the 1st Cavalry. That’s a tough-as-nails bunch of soldiers. As they like to say:

“If anyone could do it, we’d be called the Infantry.”

1st Cavalry Division
“The Horse they never rode
The river they never crossed
And the color of the streak down their backs”

(it’s a Korean War thing)

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austin_blue  Aug 1, 2017 • 2:44:15pm

re: #234 Decatur Deb

My grade school military instructor was a one-legged E7 from the Korea part of 1st Cav. His greatest shame was that the guys who pulled him off a hill were Marines.

Marines leave nothing behind but *enemy* dead.

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KGxvi  Aug 1, 2017 • 2:45:11pm

re: #237 BeachDem

You know, a lot of them don’t leave because of their house. Because they say, gee, my house, I thought it was worth 70,000 (dollars) and now it’s worth nothing. It’s OK. Go, cut your losses, right?

Not everyone can file bankruptcy… six times… and walk away scot free.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 1, 2017 • 2:48:27pm

Thanks Beach for actually reading.

I’m just following twitter.

Because you are reading….

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Stanley Sea  Aug 1, 2017 • 2:48:55pm

Who in the Senate would he be calling Mr. Elegant?

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austin_blue  Aug 1, 2017 • 2:49:18pm

I’ve got to run some errands. What new hell awaits my return?

The world waits…

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Decatur Deb  Aug 1, 2017 • 2:50:33pm

re: #243 Stanley Sea

Who in the Senate would he be calling Mr. Elegant?

Pence?

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bratwurst  Aug 1, 2017 • 2:51:14pm

Your dumbest “news story” of the day:

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 1, 2017 • 2:52:58pm
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BeachDem  Aug 1, 2017 • 2:53:16pm

Ah, here’s the section with his VASSSST knowledge of the UK, Great Britain, England, Scotland—whatever. (Only he knows things.)

He’s the ambassador to the Court of St. James, which is England, you know…

Then it really goes off the rails:

WSJ: You tweeted this morning about trade talks with Britain.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Yes.

WSJ: Can you tell us more about what’s going on?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: No, but I can say that we’re going to be very involved with the U.K. I mean, you don’t hear the word Britain anymore. It’s very interesting. It’s like, nope.

WSJ: I work with a Brit.

MR. BAKER: I’m English. We always make that point. You’re right, yeah.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Is Scotland going to go for the vote, by the way? You don’t see it. It would be terrible. They just went through hell.

MR. BAKER: (Inaudible) - but they’re going to be -

PRESIDENT TRUMP: They just went through hell.

MR. BAKER: Besides, the first minister’s already made it clear she -

PRESIDENT TRUMP: What do you think? You don’t think so, right?

MR. BAKER: I don’t.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: One little thing, what would they do with the British Open if they ever got out? They’d no longer have the British Open.

MR. BAKER: (Inaudible.)

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Scotland. Keep it in Scotland.

I’ve read that exchange three times and still have no idea what he’s talking about. (Or why)

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jaunte  Aug 1, 2017 • 2:53:17pm

re: #246 bratwurst

Total Eclipse of the Derp

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EPR-radar  Aug 1, 2017 • 2:53:29pm

re: #246 bratwurst

JFC. Any large random shape dropped onto a map of the US would include a lot more red area than blue area, and it doesn’t mean a damned thing.

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wrenchwench  Aug 1, 2017 • 2:54:21pm

re: #242 Stanley Sea

Thanks Beach for actually reading.

I’m just following twitter.

Because you are reading….

[Trump to WSJ: “I mean, I had Ms. Universe [in Russia], like, 9 years ago, 8 years ago, something like that.”

It was 2013. That’s 4 years.]

Time flies when you’re having fun dementia

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BeachDem  Aug 1, 2017 • 2:54:40pm

re: #243 Stanley Sea

Who in the Senate would he be calling Mr. Elegant?

I have no idea—he said it in relation to some debate (where he did Very Very Well, of course) but I have no idea who he’s talking about.

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jaunte  Aug 1, 2017 • 2:55:29pm

re: #248 BeachDem

PRESIDENT TRUMP: One little thing, what would they do with the British Open if they ever got out? They’d no longer have the British Open.

Focused like a laser on his golf properties.

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EPR-radar  Aug 1, 2017 • 2:56:01pm

re: #248 BeachDem

This is what it means to have President Fuckface von Clownstick in office. An endless succession of idiotic moments, interrupted only by episodes of greed, corruption, cruelty and/or malice.

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Ace-o-aces  Aug 1, 2017 • 2:56:54pm

re: #246 bratwurst

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Belafon  Aug 1, 2017 • 3:01:34pm

re: #246 bratwurst

Someone should do a penis in the middle of the country showing it would be mostly red areas.

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wrenchwench  Aug 1, 2017 • 3:03:11pm

re: #256 Belafon

Someone should do a penis in the middle of the country showing it would be mostly red areas.

Now why did that make me think of Kris Kobach?

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Stanley Sea  Aug 1, 2017 • 3:04:12pm

I can’t believe he called the WH a dump.

Well I can, but fuck.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 1, 2017 • 3:04:42pm

re: #258 Stanley Sea

I can’t believe he called the WH a dump.

Well I can, but fuck.

Well, it is a dump, I mean, a black family lived there. Gotta burn it down and start over again.

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BeachDem  Aug 1, 2017 • 3:05:11pm

His extreme understanding of the fabulous trade deal he’s going to put together with the UK—

WSJ: Would the idea be that the trade deal will kick in pretty much as soon as Brexit happens?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: As soon as it’s appropriate to have it kick in, absolutely. And it’ll be a big trade deal - much, much more business than we do right now, many, many times.

WSJ: Are there keys that would be the important pieces of it? What would - can you highlight specific -

PRESIDENT TRUMP: There’ll be certain pieces. It’s not - there’ll be certain pieces.

He has no idea what he’s talking about. As my father always used to say, “He’s talking ragtime.”

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 1, 2017 • 3:05:13pm

re: #255 Ace-o-aces

[Embedded content]

Tornado alley is also largely red!

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jaunte  Aug 1, 2017 • 3:06:26pm
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jaunte  Aug 1, 2017 • 3:06:51pm

This tweet has everything.

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MsJ  Aug 1, 2017 • 3:06:59pm

re: #197 FormerDirtDart

If there isn’t already enough to hate this asshole. How dare he! I am steaming reading that.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 1, 2017 • 3:11:58pm

re: #262 jaunte

[Embedded content]

TRUMP: And, and, I wanna build two new 747-8’s, and pimp ‘em out with yuuuuge TV screens so I can watch all my porn, and…

PUTIN: How about I give you two fine Russian jets, da? Is much cheaper this way, can spend extra on accommodations for yourself.

TRUMP: Oh, why thank you for that generous offer! That sounds perfect! We’ll take it!

PUTIN: [Smirking, trying not to laugh openly in Trump’s face.]

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dangerman  Aug 1, 2017 • 3:15:27pm

re: #49 FormerDirtDart


Both a/c are 747-8Is. Brand spanking new. The USAF will save a few dollars. But, likely both planes will practically have to be taken apart and reassembled. That will add to the discounted purchase price. Something that wouldn’t be needed with new builds.

the contract is being negotiated with boeing so isn’t this a bailout?

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BeachDem  Aug 1, 2017 • 3:19:53pm

On Iran, within about a minute, he goes from:

we’re doing very detailed studies. And personally, I have great respect for my people

to

I think they’ll be noncompliant.

to (when asked if he’ll overrule his staff)

Oh, sure. Sure. Look, I have a lot of respect for Rex and his people, good relationship. It’s easier to say they comply. It’s a lot easier. But it’s the wrong thing. They don’t comply.

So why the fuck is he doing all these detailed studies?

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Stanley Sea  Aug 1, 2017 • 3:22:00pm
David: There were disagreements all over camp. Some people saying “F Trump,” some people saying “MAGA.” I heard there was a troop from New York that had a troop from Texas right next to them and the leaders had to keep them separate.

WAPO has a recap of last week told by those who were there (goes all the way to mooch)

washingtonpost.com

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EPR-radar  Aug 1, 2017 • 3:22:06pm

re: #264 MsJ

[Embedded content]

If there isn’t already enough to hate this asshole. How dare he! I am steaming reading that.

President Obama never referred to the White House as “a dump”, but if he had I’m sure the RW noise machine would have howled in outrage so loud as to be heard billions of lightyears away through the vacuum of space.

On all issues, no matter how substantive or trivial, the iron rule of ‘it’s OK if you are a Republican’ is followed by RWNJs and their both-siderist media enablers.

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lawhawk  Aug 1, 2017 • 3:22:11pm

re: #49 FormerDirtDart

It was just a few days ago I was reading that that company had not taken delivery of it’s order. Fell down a “Wiki-hole” after reading an article about what was likely the last 747 passenger aircraft to ever be built.

Both a/c are 747-8Is. Brand spanking new. The USAF will save a few dollars. But, likely both planes will practically have to be taken apart and reassembled. That will add to the discounted purchase price. Something that wouldn’t be needed with new builds.

The airframes are the cheapest part of the entire AF1 project. Each airframe, even if new, is stripped down and built to spec for the AF1 project, with everything from special compartments, avionics, airborne refueling, ECM suites, radars, and public spaces outfitted with the needs of a mobile White House (comms, conference rooms, galley, medical facilities, etc.)

So, this saves a few bucks on the fringe, and it might get done a little faster since the airframes are available.

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BeachDem  Aug 1, 2017 • 3:23:22pm

And he doesn’t even know which FAKE NEWS outfit to blame for his problems:

I’m talking like the story about Syria that was in The New York Times the other day. I’m - which by the way, was a decision made by people, not me. But, you know, they wrote it 100 - it was in the -

WSJ: The Post, I thought. It was in The Washington Post.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: It was in The Washington Post. That was not something that I was involved in,

Whatever fake media printed it, it was fake, and besides, it wasn’t me. (I hear Shaggy singing…)

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wheat-dogg  Aug 1, 2017 • 3:23:26pm

re: #270 lawhawk

Question is: will Trump ever get a chance to fly in one of them?

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 1, 2017 • 3:26:24pm

OT: quick recommendation: I’m reading John Pomfret’s The Beautiful Country and the Middle Kingdom, a study of US-Sino relations since the late 18th century. It’s written for a general audience and is much needed corrective to textbook treatments that focus more on Britain’s role (opium wars, etc.) and on largely negative aspects of US-China relations by also highlighting the long and often positive impacts that we have had on each other in the modern era.

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wrenchwench  Aug 1, 2017 • 3:27:36pm
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A Cranky One  Aug 1, 2017 • 3:27:38pm

re: #272 wheat-dogg

Question is: will Trump ever get a chance to fly in one of them?

Well, they won’t want Trump to call the planes a dump, so they’ll have to decorate it to his taste:

Trump’s idea of “not a dump”

The plane will probably be so heavy from all the gold it won’t be able to take off.

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wheat-dogg  Aug 1, 2017 • 3:29:25pm

re: #275 A Cranky One

Well, they won’t want Trump to call the planes a dump, so they’ll have to decorate it to his taste:

[Embedded content]

The plane will probably be so heavy from all the gold it won’t be able to take off.

Vetting the drop-dead gorgeous stewardesses will be expensive, too. You know he’ll insist.

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Jay C  Aug 1, 2017 • 3:29:50pm

re: #275 A Cranky One

Well, they won’t want Trump to call the planes a dump, so they’ll have to decorate it to his taste:

[Embedded content]

The plane will probably be so heavy from all the gold it won’t be able to take off.

Good! They can save fuel! (at least until the jet can be converted to run on coal).

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EPR-radar  Aug 1, 2017 • 3:30:23pm

re: #275 A Cranky One

tr*mp would not be satisfied with just having gold leaf decor on his plane. A true tr*mp plane would have its structure made from gold instead of these cheap, low-class aviation alloys.

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BeachDem  Aug 1, 2017 • 3:31:29pm

OK—not that important, but really pretty funny. They’re in the middle of talking about Sessions and Russia (and of course the “many crimes of Hillary Clinton”) and first he uses Corey Lewandowski and Hope Hicks as his PROOF that the campaign wasn’t involved with Russia. Then, for some inexplicable reason (she must have written him a note to bolster his bullshit) he has this little exchange with spokesmodel, Hope Hicks.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Give me those notes, Hope, come on, just give - I can’t read it. What do you think, I have 20/20 perfect -

MS. HICKS: I was just saying, you self-funded.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Huh?

MS. HICKS: You self-funded.

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Oh, yeah, I self-funded much of my -

Oh—and by the way, The Mooch was there when they did this interview—adding his charming notes.

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MsJ  Aug 1, 2017 • 3:31:35pm

re: #269 EPR-radar

President Obama never referred to the White House as “a dump”, but if he had I’m sure the RW noise machine would have howled in outrage so loud as to be heard billions of lightyears away through the vacuum of space.

On all issues, no matter how substantive or trivial, the iron rule of ‘it’s OK if you are a Republican’ is followed by RWNJs and their both-siderist media enablers.

It’s an honor to serve as POTUS. He doesn’t have any honor. He derided Reince when the latter got excited seeing his house from Air Force One…a really big deal for any normal American.

I can’t say how much this bothers me. Aside from the Russian takeover of our government, aside from the third world bullshit Trump throws around, aside from the asshole republicans who think all is just honky dory, this simple face that he disrespects every single thing surrounding the Office of the President of the United States makes me so angry I shake in fury. We the People deserve better than this asshole. GRRRRRRRRR.

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MsJ  Aug 1, 2017 • 3:32:10pm

re: #270 lawhawk

The airframes are the cheapest part of the entire AF1 project. Each airframe, even if new, is stripped down and built to spec for the AF1 project, with everything from special compartments, avionics, airborne refueling, ECM suites, radars, and public spaces outfitted with the needs of a mobile White House (comms, conference rooms, galley, medical facilities, etc.)

So, this saves a few bucks on the fringe, and it might get done a little faster since the airframes are available.

So much for Buy American and keeping the money, however much it is, in this country.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 1, 2017 • 3:32:20pm
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freetoken  Aug 1, 2017 • 3:32:42pm

So Flake is on the PBS Newshour right now, trying to sound all serious and righteous.

When asked if Trump should be removed from office, Flake says no, Trump’s not done anything to warrant that.

More puffery from Flake.

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MsJ  Aug 1, 2017 • 3:32:50pm

re: #272 wheat-dogg

Question is: will Trump ever get a chance to fly in one of them?

Let us hope not. At that point I hope he is rotting in a prison cell for the rest of his miserable life.

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ObserverArt  Aug 1, 2017 • 3:34:10pm

Anyone going to watch the Discovery special series on The Unabomber tonight at 9:00 PM EDST?

I’ve always found the whole Ted Kaczynski story fascinating on how he built one-of-a-kind bombs out of strange materials and managed to escape being found for so many years.

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MsJ  Aug 1, 2017 • 3:35:31pm

re: #282 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Stanley Sea  Aug 1, 2017 • 3:39:29pm

re: #282 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

I’m reading the article.

Oh boy.

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No Depression  Aug 1, 2017 • 3:43:00pm

Why should we respect Trump if he doesn’t even respect his office? He’s been given the awesome privilege and burden of leading the most powerful country in the world, and this miserable piece of shit doesn’t care.

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freetoken  Aug 1, 2017 • 3:43:15pm

I think Flake is trying to generate his version of the Sister Souljah moment:

Facebook Post

But it seems like he’s working too hard at drawing this out.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 1, 2017 • 3:44:45pm

re: #282 Backwoods_Sleuth

Greedy fuck

But when Prime Minister Abe gave Trump a gold-colored Honma Beres S-05 driver, it went straight into the bag. (Retail price of the club: $3,755. The gift was made in November, and as President-elect, Trump was permitted to accept a gift that he would not have been allowed to take after the inauguration; Presidents are forbidden from accepting a present from a foreign government with a value that exceeds $390.)

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BeachDem  Aug 1, 2017 • 3:45:12pm

And he closes out the interview with this prescient exchange:

MR. BAKER: But we can’t expect any more staff changes in the immediate - in the immediate future?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: No, I don’t think so.

MR. BAKER: No?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: But I’m very happy with Anthony. I think Anthony is going to do amazing.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 1, 2017 • 3:45:19pm
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Interesting Times  Aug 1, 2017 • 3:47:21pm

re: #286 MsJ

Ana says it best:

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Stanley Sea  Aug 1, 2017 • 3:48:54pm

Thunder, lightning & light rain here.

BIZARRE

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 1, 2017 • 3:49:04pm

LOLOLOL!

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Aug 1, 2017 • 3:49:48pm

re: #159 bratwurst

He’s already putting Kelly on notice…unreal.

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Donald Trump keeps wanting to take credit for the continuing bull market that has been ongoing for the past six years or so.

I have just one question about this - is there a single economic policy that has been implemented during the Trump presidency? I can’t think of a single bill that has been passed to this effect. In fact, the only thing with economic impact that I can think of is his pulling out of the Paris Agreement (effective November 4 2020 - the day after the next Presidential election). Everything else has been a rather spectacular failure for him.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 1, 2017 • 3:51:51pm

re: #294 Stanley Sea

Thunder, lightning & light rain here.

BIZARRE

That’s pretty random, blue sky w/ a few scattered clouds here.

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dangerman  Aug 1, 2017 • 3:56:03pm

re: #288 No Depression

Why should we respect Trump if he doesn’t even respect his office? He’s been given the awesome privilege and burden of leading the most powerful country in the world, and this miserable piece of shit doesn’t care.

man’s a pig
it was clear long ago
he has not earned nor deserves respect

oh, and for everyone else, you support a pig, you’re a pig

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dangerman  Aug 1, 2017 • 3:56:49pm

re: #289 freetoken

I think Flake is trying to generate his version of the Sister Souljah moment:

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But it seems like he’s working too hard at drawing this out.

he’s going to try and rely on the book to distract from how he votes

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 1, 2017 • 4:01:48pm
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dangerman  Aug 1, 2017 • 4:02:37pm

re: #296 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

Donald Trump keeps wanting to take credit for the continuing bull market that has been ongoing for the past six years or so.

I have just one question about this - is there a single economic policy that has been implemented during the Trump presidency? I can’t think of a single bill that has been passed to this effect. In fact, the only thing with economic impact that I can think of is his pulling out of the Paris Agreement (effective November 4 2020 - the day after the next Presidential election). Everything else has been a rather spectacular failure for him.

wait - you mean he fired the paris agreement before its start date?
maybe it’s a pattern

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 1, 2017 • 4:02:41pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 1, 2017 • 4:07:21pm

so much wonderful historical shade being cast on twitter tonight in response to “the White House is a dump”.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 1, 2017 • 4:08:21pm
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dangerman  Aug 1, 2017 • 4:10:05pm

re: #304 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]-@POTUS has been truthful and transparent “every single day,” says @SHSanders45.

Trump to a group of club members on why he frequently visits Bedminster: “That White House is a real dump.” bit.ly

well thats certainly “transparent”

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Charles Johnson  Aug 1, 2017 • 4:11:23pm
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piratedan  Aug 1, 2017 • 4:11:30pm

re: #304 Backwoods_Sleuth

maybe she has a future as a tobacco industry spokesperson….

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ObserverArt  Aug 1, 2017 • 4:13:16pm

re: #300 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Wow.

I read that and now I try to think of what the current occupant would write if he ever actually felt moved enough by the history of the White House.

And all I can think of is he would write something like this.

“I think I am the best President to live here. Ivanka thinks so too. I’ve been here for a few months now and I am bored. Jared is too. We’ve already done more than anyone, maybe I can get out of here early and play more golf.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 1, 2017 • 4:13:52pm

best quote from the article is from the photographer’s attorney:

“No one is saying you can’t go and write a review,” Wishnew said. “Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequence. Things you put on the internet to attack a business have real-world consequences and that really resonated with the jury. You can’t go and burn someone’s house down and claim free speech.”

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MsJ  Aug 1, 2017 • 4:15:34pm

Tie it to every single one of those motherfuckers who gave us this nightmare.
Who want to take away healthcare. Who vote against US at every turn.

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freetoken  Aug 1, 2017 • 4:15:35pm

Sometimes you just have to be smarter than the average human:

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MsJ  Aug 1, 2017 • 4:16:24pm

re: #307 piratedan

maybe she has a future as a tobacco industry spokesperson….

how do these people call themselves christian? I don’t get it.

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ObserverArt  Aug 1, 2017 • 4:17:45pm

re: #311 freetoken

Sometimes you just have to be smarter than the average human:

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And that is why nature gave the little cute crooks that mask.

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Skip Intro  Aug 1, 2017 • 4:18:58pm

re: #304 Backwoods_Sleuth

It comes natural when you’re raised by religious grifters.

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ObserverArt  Aug 1, 2017 • 4:20:51pm

re: #312 MsJ

how do these people call themselves christian? I don’t get it.

No, actually you do get it.

They “call themselves Christian” is correct. It does not mean they are.

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Myron Falwell  Aug 1, 2017 • 4:23:11pm

re: #307 piratedan

maybe she has a future as a tobacco industry spokesperson….

I know it’s the tobacco industry, but their standards can’t be that low.

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Romantic Heretic  Aug 1, 2017 • 4:23:38pm

re: #182 FormerDirtDart

Semper Fi, Marine.

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Myron Falwell  Aug 1, 2017 • 4:27:19pm

re: #308 ObserverArt

Trump can’t write without the assistance of Crayola crayons and three-holed lined paper.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 1, 2017 • 4:27:31pm

re: #309 Backwoods_Sleuth

Pro wedding photographers have to put up with so much outrageous bullshit they should literally get hazard pay. They’re dealing with clients who are likely crazy as all fuck, their drunk family and friends, and a ridiculous set of expectations. They have to be polite, engaging and extroverted to a degree that’s exhausting in itself and nobody involved ever really respects what they do or the amount of time spent honing their craft.

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MsJ  Aug 1, 2017 • 4:28:55pm

re: #319 goddamnedfrank

Because I am always willing to throw in my two cents.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 1, 2017 • 4:31:26pm

re: #270 lawhawk

The airframes are the cheapest part of the entire AF1 project. Each airframe, even if new, is stripped down and built to spec for the AF1 project, with everything from special compartments, avionics, airborne refueling, ECM suites, radars, and public spaces outfitted with the needs of a mobile White House (comms, conference rooms, galley, medical facilities, etc.)

So, this saves a few bucks on the fringe, and it might get done a little faster since the airframes are available.

Yeah, as of June 2017 there are around 15 undelivered 747-8F (cargo) in the build pipeline. No further passenger aircraft are on order. So, new build AF1 variants would go to the back of the line, unless Boeing could work out a delivery delay with other customers (a possibility with the right insensitive from the US Gov).

The “re-manufacturing” of the re-purposed 747-8Is need not occur on the assembly line. So, in theory the project could begin at an earlier date. But, the entire re-manufacture/integration plan, disassembly, inspection and re-manufacture will be a significant undertaking. Don’t forget, Boeing has already begun their “new build” manufacturing planning. all of that will have to be scrapped. And, the USAF will have to try and renegotiate that contract.

There will likely only be an “appearance” of cost/time saving. And, that would likely be enough to please Trump. Something to take credit for.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 1, 2017 • 4:32:28pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 1, 2017 • 4:33:37pm
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FormerDirtDart  Aug 1, 2017 • 4:33:38pm
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Stanley Sea  Aug 1, 2017 • 4:33:39pm
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Barefoot Grin  Aug 1, 2017 • 4:34:43pm

re: #322 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Predictably, the comments to The Hill article….

Goddamnit, why did I do that?

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 1, 2017 • 4:37:38pm

re: #284 MsJ

Let us hope not. At that point I hope he is rotting in a prison cell for the rest of his miserable life.

Our idiot governor Blagojevich was sentenced to 14 years in prison for something that could be considered close to a “nothingburger”. It’s appalling that this POS who has no respect for this country and its heritage is still free, not trying to do his job, and stealing millions from us through his family business dealings, and his weekly trips to Trump facilities. Every Republican in Congress should be convicted of malfeasance for doing nothing to impede this man.

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bratwurst  Aug 1, 2017 • 4:39:07pm

Finally, some GOOD news in the press:

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 1, 2017 • 4:40:21pm

re: #321 FormerDirtDart

Yeah, as of June 2017 there are around 15 undelivered 747-8F (cargo) in the build pipeline. No further passenger aircraft are on order. So, new build AF1 variants would go to the back of the line, unless Boeing could work out a delivery delay with other customers (a possibility with the right insensitive from the US Gov).

The “re-manufacturing” of the re-purposed 747-8Is need not occur on the assembly line. So, in theory the project could begin at an earlier date. But, the entire re-manufacture/integration plan, disassembly, inspection and re-manufacture will be a significant undertaking. Don’t forget, Boeing has already begun their “new build” manufacturing planning. all of that will have to be scrapped. And, the USAF will have to try and renegotiate that contract.

There will likely only be an “appearance” of cost/time saving. And, that would likely be enough to please Trump. Something to take credit for.

I wondered about this. It just didn’t make sense that much if any money could be saved by taking an airplane that was never designed to be AF1 and refurbishing it to AF1’s incredibly specific standards.

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KGxvi  Aug 1, 2017 • 4:40:45pm

I’m trying to wrap my head around this:

Trump fires Preibus, names Secretary of Homeland Security Kelly as the replacement. But doesn’t have a new DHS replacement lined up. So, Deputy Secretary Elaine Duke is serving as Acting Secretary. She is among those being considered for the appointment. Among others, including one, Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III.

Given Trump’s public berating of Sessions in recent weeks, there was speculation that the President could move Sessions to the opening at DHS to get him out of the Justice Department without firing him.

Doing so would eliminate what was a growing source of frustration for the President — namely Sessions’ recusal from the investigation into Russian election meddling and the special counsel at DOJ — and puts an experienced hand atop an agency key to Trump’s immigration and counter-terrorism agenda, all without firing a man who was defended aggressively by members of Congress and conservative organizations.

According to the Federal Vacancies Act, Trump is able to replace anyone who is confirmed by the Senate to hold the open position, but if he chooses Sessions, Trump would be limited from selecting him as a permanent replacement. Sessions could serve up to 210 days, according to a Congressional Research Service report.

Of course, none of that means a damn thing if Trump’s pick to replace Session at the DOJ is immediately ordered to fire Mueller. Which, of course, is why everyone was telling him not to fire Sessions. This would be such an amazing shit show.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 1, 2017 • 4:40:48pm
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BeachDem  Aug 1, 2017 • 4:41:20pm

re: #310 MsJ

Tie it to every single one of those motherfuckers who gave us this nightmare.
Who want to take away healthcare. Who vote against US at every turn.

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I got bored about halfway through the golf article, but I did love this line:

He could buy the gaudiest house in Palm Beach—and he did

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wheat-dogg  Aug 1, 2017 • 4:44:37pm

re: #328 bratwurst

When did they leave?

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Dr. Matt  Aug 1, 2017 • 4:45:24pm
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goddamnedfrank  Aug 1, 2017 • 4:45:29pm
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Timothy Watson  Aug 1, 2017 • 4:47:21pm

re: #328 bratwurst

Finally, some GOOD news in the press:

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Boobs were never down in my book…

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majii  Aug 1, 2017 • 4:47:26pm

re: #312 MsJ

“how do these people call themselves christian? I don’t get it.”

Not to worry, Ms. J. I’m a Christian, and I don’t “get” them either. Their dedication to Trump tells me that their claim to have Christian values is a joke. Christianity seems to be a tool they use for promoting their personal and political agendas. Forget all of that Christian nonsense about taking care of the sick, the poor, the hungry, widows, orphans, etc. None of that matters in Trump World.

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BeachDem  Aug 1, 2017 • 4:47:40pm

re: #316 Myron Falwell

I know it’s the tobacco industry, but their standards can’t be that low.

From “Thank You For Smoking” (one funny movie)

Nick Naylor: [Narrating] Few people on this planet know what it is to be truly despised. Can you blame them? I earn a living fronting an organizing that kills one thousand two hundred human beings a day; twelve hundred people. We’re talking two jumbo jet plane loads of men, women, and children. I mean there’s Attila, Genghis, and me, Nick Naylor the face of cigarettes, the colonel sanders of nicotine. This

Nick Naylor: [to Joey] My job requires a certain… moral flexibility.

Nick Naylor: [out loud] “I just need to pay the mortgage.”
Nick Naylor: [to self] The Yuppie Nuremberg defense.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 1, 2017 • 4:48:00pm

re: #337 majii

“how do these people call themselves christian? I don’t get it.”

Not to worry, Ms. J. I’m a Christian, and I don’t “get” them either. Their dedication to Trump tells me that their claim to have Christian values is a joke. Christianity seems to be a tool they use for promoting their personal and political agendas. Forget all of that Christian nonsense about taking care of the sick, the poor, the hungry, widows, orphans, etc. None of that matters in Trump World.

Plus one.

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Skip Intro  Aug 1, 2017 • 4:48:22pm

re: #335 goddamnedfrank

Trump lies about everything. Every single thing.

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freetoken  Aug 1, 2017 • 4:48:34pm

re: #328 bratwurst

Boobs have always been in style in Murdoch enterprises.

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MsJ  Aug 1, 2017 • 4:49:11pm

re: #327 Hecuba’s daughter

Our idiot governor Blagojevich was sentenced to 14 years in prison for something that could be considered close to a “nothingburger”. It’s appalling that this POS who has no respect for this country and its heritage is still free, not trying to do his job, and stealing millions from us through his family business dealings, and his weekly trips to Trump facilities. Every Republican in Congress should be convicted of malfeasance for doing nothing to impede this man.

My idiot governor. I’m from Chicago. I spent the majority of my life there.

Blago joined the rest of our shady governors in what I call the Governor’s Wing of statesville prison (I don’t think they are actually at statesville but it’s a lovely thought).

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Myron Falwell  Aug 1, 2017 • 4:50:52pm

re: #325 Stanley Sea

That Mueller continues to expand his team means the probe is not going to end anytime soon, said Robert Ray, who succeeded Kenneth Starr as independent counsel for the Whitewater investigation during the Clinton administration.

“It’s an indication that the investigation is going to extend well into 2018,” said Ray. “Whether it extends beyond 2018 is an open question.”

By the same token, idiot Trump and his idiot sycophants have already provided Mueller with so much damning information that well over 16 lawyers are needed to sort the existing information out.

Mueller may not have a smoking gun… he may have a smoking armada.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 1, 2017 • 4:51:22pm

re: #342 MsJ

My idiot governor. I’m from Chicago. I spent the majority of my life there.

Blago joined the rest of our shady governors in what I call the Governor’s Wing of statesville prison (I don’t think they are actually at statesville but it’s a lovely thought).

I grew up in Indiana. You know how bad Indiana is. (One small hint: Mike Freakin’ Pence.) And we still made fun of you guys for the legendary corruption coming out of Springfield.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 1, 2017 • 4:52:51pm

This.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 1, 2017 • 4:53:54pm

re: #343 Myron Falwell

Or, Trump and his sycophants have provided Mueller with so much damning information that well over 16 lawyers are needed to sort the existing information out.

Mueller may not have a smoking gun… he may have a smoking armada.

One envisions the aftermath of firing the 16” naval cannons off the USS Missouri.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 1, 2017 • 4:55:39pm

Rain in So Cal is so fucking dirty.

(maybe everywhere? It’s such a rarity)

Everything on my patio is covered in wet dirt.

And yes, the tables were clean before it started.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 1, 2017 • 4:56:27pm

The yam is burning down the WH & I’m complaining about my patio.

Forgiveness please.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 1, 2017 • 4:57:21pm

re: #347 Stanley Sea

Rain in So Cal is so fucking dirty.

(maybe everywhere? It’s such a rarity)

Everything on my patio is covered in wet dirt.

And yes, the tables were clean before it started.

Just imagine how nasty it was before modern emission controls.

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BeachDem  Aug 1, 2017 • 4:57:23pm

re: #324 FormerDirtDart

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I thought she went to work for his “digital guru.” How does she have time for this? (perhaps she’s foregoing yoga and massages as Ivanka did while “architecting” her part in the campaign.)

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Stanley Sea  Aug 1, 2017 • 4:58:33pm

re: #349 goddamnedfrank

Just imagine how nasty it was before modern emission controls.

I used to live in an old building under the SD airport approach. You’d wash the window sills & the rag would come back black.

ewe

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Myron Falwell  Aug 1, 2017 • 5:00:04pm

re: #346 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

One envisions the aftermath of firing the 16” naval cannons off the USS Missouri.

With a touch of Bambi vs. Godzilla thrown in for effect.

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lawhawk  Aug 1, 2017 • 5:01:21pm

re: #272 wheat-dogg

Question is: will Trump ever get a chance to fly in one of them?

Short answer is not likely. It wont be until ~2023 that it’ll fly.

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 1, 2017 • 5:02:12pm

re: #348 Stanley Sea

The yam is burning down the WH & I’m complaining about my patio.

Forgiveness please.

The yam is demented — it is the 63 million voters and the Senate and House GOP who bear much of the responsibility for the damage he is actually inflicting on this country and the world.

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freetoken  Aug 1, 2017 • 5:02:36pm

Very much monsoonal today here in SoCal. Yes, rain over the mountains, some drifting to the west of the mountains.

Not here though, yet the sky is overcast.

I do prefer this to the ultra-low humidity of the santa anas.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 1, 2017 • 5:03:35pm

re: #350 BeachDem

I thought she went to work for his “digital guru.” How does she have time for this? (perhaps she’s foregoing yoga and massages as Ivanka did while “architecting” her part in the campaign.)

Someone said somewhere, betcha Lara never imagined begging for money when she married the trumpisto.

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freetoken  Aug 1, 2017 • 5:06:31pm

re: #354 Hecuba’s daughter

In reviewing Carrier’s book (yes, some day there will be a Page) I’ve taken some time to view videos online, of various skeptics and atheists (including Carrier) interacting with Christians.

There’s no new revelation here, but more a confirmation. Those who believe in this or that religion do so simply because they want to. There is an emotional/psychological need that is being filled (or at least a palliative version of such filling.)

And so I am hardly surprised when in our elections so many Americans are simply making choices on what they want to believe, versus actually sorting out data and policy options.

The ability of Trump to play on the emotions of the needy should not be underestimated. It’s why he’s still dangerous. He may be a moron about many things, but he is an expert at fooling people.

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lawhawk  Aug 1, 2017 • 5:08:05pm

re: #323 Backwoods_Sleuth

Mueller’s put together quite the team of lawyers.

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lawhawk  Aug 1, 2017 • 5:09:59pm

re: #345 Dr. Matt

Pass the popcorn
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freetoken  Aug 1, 2017 • 5:11:16pm

re: #358 lawhawk

Mueller’s put together quite the team of lawyers.

I’m waiting for Trump to come out and call them traitors.

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piratedan  Aug 1, 2017 • 5:11:48pm

re: #358 lawhawk

lets hope that their findings somehow sway a few members of the GOP to end this travesty of an administration and allow them to purge their own corrupted ranks.

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451_Montag  Aug 1, 2017 • 5:13:10pm

re: #358 lawhawk

Mueller’s put together quite the team of lawyers.

The thing that strikes me is the specificity of his hires. Seems everyone is an expert in their fields. It doesn’t seem to be fishing, more following a specific lead to fill a need. This cannot bode well for the Yam.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 1, 2017 • 5:14:25pm

Read the replies

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MsJ  Aug 1, 2017 • 5:14:43pm

re: #361 piratedan

lets hope that their findings somehow sway a few members of the GOP to end this travesty of an administration and allow them to purge their own corrupted ranks.

We need to repeatedly reinforce the concept that trump is a Republican and they are interchangeable and equally responsible. REPUBLICANS need to have that sad sack hung around their necks for all time.

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wheat-dogg  Aug 1, 2017 • 5:15:26pm

re: #362 451_Montag

The thing that strikes me is the specificity of his hires. Seems everyone is an expert in their fields. It doesn’t seem to be fishing, more following a specific lead to fill a need. This cannot bode well for the Yam.

I noticed that, too. I suspect he’s following the money. After all, he’s got access to the tax returns.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 1, 2017 • 5:15:47pm

re: #360 freetoken

I’m waiting for Trump to come out and call them traitors.

He’s reacting the best way he knows how: irrationally, striking out & demented.

He’s gonna blow Capt’n!

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Stanley Sea  Aug 1, 2017 • 5:17:40pm

sigh

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lawhawk  Aug 1, 2017 • 5:17:52pm

re: #362 451_Montag

The thing that strikes me is the specificity of his hires. Seems everyone is an expert in their fields. It doesn’t seem to be fishing, more following a specific lead to fill a need. This cannot bode well for the Yam.

Well, at this level, that’s who you’d hire.

You want people who are familiar with financial crimes, RICO, mob prosecutions, and issues specific to obstruction of justice and security clearance violations. You want people who are familiar with espionage prosecutions.

And he’s bringing together a dream team of experts.

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MsJ  Aug 1, 2017 • 5:18:33pm

Heh. Protected.

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451_Montag  Aug 1, 2017 • 5:19:45pm

re: #364 MsJ

We need to repeatedly reinforce the concept that trump is a Republican and they are interchangeable and equally responsible. REPUBLICANS need to have that sad sack hung around their necks for all time.

The messaging needs work, definitely.

“Mainstream Republican Trump”
“The middle aged son of the president”
“Admitted performance artist Alex Jones”
“The racist elven faced fucknut Jeff Sessions”
“Ambulatory sink blockage Chris Christie”

Etc etc

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A Cranky One  Aug 1, 2017 • 5:20:06pm

When is Mueller going to hire a lawyer who specializes in proctology? He’ll need one when dealing with the assholes in the dump White House?

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freetoken  Aug 1, 2017 • 5:20:22pm

One of the little known works of the late 1st century (as best as can be dated, the majority view posits), is 2 Enoch, also known as The book of the secrets of Enoch.

Wherein chapter 9 we find:

This place, O Enoch, is Prepared for the righteous: who endure every kind of attack in their lives from those who afflict their souls : who turn away their eyes from unrighteousness, and accomplish a righteous judgement, and also give bread to the hungry, and clothe the naked, and raise the fallen, and assist the orphans who are oppressed, and who walk without blame before the face of the Lord, and serve him only. For them this place is prepared as an eternal inheritance.’

Not exactly Trumperism.

Nevertheless, this work probably represents a community which was Jewish by origin but was part of the general milieu of post-70AD apocalyptic cults that gave rise to Christianity.

Still, the themes of these kind of writings (some of which made it into the NT, others didn’t) often portray “righteousness” as helping those less fortunate.

This theme has been taken up by many religious sects.

However, in Trump’s America, the self-proclaimed religious have somehow missed this boat.

How did that happen?

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wheat-dogg  Aug 1, 2017 • 5:24:31pm

re: #367 Stanley Sea

Tilting at neocon windmills. Every challenge to affirmative action has failed in the courts, because the white litigant generally was a weak candidate to start with, IIRC.

This has been a windmill since I was in college, and that was a while ago.

(I’m a year away from my 40th reunion. Sigh.)

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451_Montag  Aug 1, 2017 • 5:27:42pm

re: #368 lawhawk

Well, at this level, that’s who you’d hire.

You want people who are familiar with financial crimes, RICO, mob prosecutions, and issues specific to obstruction of justice and security clearance violations. You want people who are familiar with espionage prosecutions.

And he’s bringing together a dream team of experts.

Agree with the dream team, but remember Ken Starr. Lots of broad expertise turning over every rock until they found something, anything. These hires seem to be informed by each rock.

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lawhawk  Aug 1, 2017 • 5:27:52pm

re: #373 wheat-dogg

Tilting at neocon windmills. Every challenge to affirmative action has failed in the courts, because the white litigant generally was a weak candidate to start with, IIRC.

This has been a windmill since I was in college, and that was a while ago.

(I’m a year away from my 40th reunion. Sigh.)

It’s not just that they’re going after colleges engaging in affirmative action. They’re diverting resources that would otherwise go to defend civil rights for minorities.

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EPR-radar  Aug 1, 2017 • 5:28:31pm

re: #373 wheat-dogg

Tilting at neocon windmills. Every challenge to affirmative action has failed in the courts, because the white litigant generally was a weak candidate to start with, IIRC.

This has been a windmill since I was in college, and that was a while ago.

(I’m a year away from my 40th reunion. Sigh.)

SCOTUS is conservative enough to kill affirmative action if they get a sufficiently appealing fact pattern, IMO.

So it all depends on when/if they can find a better plaintiff than another ‘Becky with the bad grades.’

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 1, 2017 • 5:29:00pm

Bill Moyers: Five Lies That Are Ricocheting Around the Right-Wing Media Bubble

There are a lot more than five obviously, but these 5 are especially egregious. All have been comprehensively debunked, or even lamely repudiated by their originators in several cases, but they continue to circulate as gospel among the demented RWNJ faithful.
Summarized:
Lie #1: Fox News host Sean Hannity’s Seth Rich conspiracy theory
Lie #2: Infowars host Alex Jones: “Pizzagate is real”
Lie #3: Radio host Rush Limbaugh: NASA lied about finding water on Mars
Lie #4: Fox & Friends: “Illegal aliens” are registered to vote
Lie #5: breitbart.com: “Mob” of Muslims tried to burn down a German church

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EPR-radar  Aug 1, 2017 • 5:30:59pm

re: #375 lawhawk

It’s not just that they’re going after colleges engaging in affirmative action. They’re diverting resources that would otherwise go to defend civil rights for minorities.

Realistically, there will be no defense of civil rights for minorities from the Sessions DOJ. Sessions would rather have US prosecutors making Federal cases out of parking violations than enforce civil rights laws.

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No Depression  Aug 1, 2017 • 5:33:34pm

Mueller hires three kids stacked on top of each other in a trench coat to better understand the mentality of a president pretending to be an adult.

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MsJ  Aug 1, 2017 • 5:37:51pm

re: #375 lawhawk

It’s not just that they’re going after colleges engaging in affirmative action. They’re diverting resources that would otherwise go to defend civil rights for minorities.

And they are using political appointees not the usual civil service attorneys.

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wheat-dogg  Aug 1, 2017 • 5:38:01pm

re: #376 EPR-radar

SCOTUS is conservative enough to kill affirmative action if they get a sufficiently appealing fact pattern, IMO.

So it all depends on when/if they can find a better plaintiff than another ‘Becky with the bad grades.’

That’s improbable. My experience with college admissions suggests that 99% of the time, the white candidates are denied because their credentials are not so great. (Unless they are legacy kids or sports stars, in some cases.)

Admissions are not entirely a zero-sum game, either. AFAIK college admissions offices are given a range of available places to fill. The limitations depend on available dorm spaces, classroom space, professors, and of course revenue. So, it’s false to say admitting X number of non-white candidates means X white people lose their chances.

Like Trump’s other bigly issues, this is another he’ll fail at.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 1, 2017 • 5:38:09pm

re: #373 wheat-dogg

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wheat-dogg  Aug 1, 2017 • 5:40:02pm

re: #382 Stanley Sea

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wheat-dogg  Aug 1, 2017 • 5:41:32pm

re: #380 MsJ

And they are using political appointees not the usual civil service attorneys.

Well, that just about guarantees the US will lose the case.

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Belafon  Aug 1, 2017 • 5:45:12pm

re: #367 Stanley Sea

sigh

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They’ve wanted to repeat Woodrow Wilson’s actions for a while now. The problem is, that they’re going to run into a lot of “oppressed” whites, like the girl here in Texas who was underqualified compared to the minorities she claimed were favored.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 1, 2017 • 5:46:50pm

re: #28 Sir John Barron

“Whoever is not for us is against us!”

MAGAbots: Trump loves America so much and is bringing people together!

/

Is t that exactly what Bush said about anyone not supporting his Iraq adventure?

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MsJ  Aug 1, 2017 • 5:47:09pm

Gus gets a mention.

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Kragar  Aug 1, 2017 • 5:50:26pm
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MsJ  Aug 1, 2017 • 5:52:43pm
390
BeachDem  Aug 1, 2017 • 5:55:45pm

re: #367 Stanley Sea

sigh

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Just saw that—fuck those fucking fuckers.

The Trump administration is preparing to redirect resources of the Justice Department’s civil rights division toward investigating and suing universities over affirmative action admissions policies deemed to discriminate against white applicants, according to a document obtained by The New York Times.

nytimes.com

Oh, and by the by—the acting head of the civil rights division is John Gore, and

The Justice Department’s New Civil Rights Chief Has Defended States Accused of Racial Gerrymandering
John Gore also helped defend a voting list purge in Florida.

motherjones.com

With the heat of a thousand suns…

391
Belafon  Aug 1, 2017 • 5:56:51pm

The only response to Bernie from now in is “Show me your tax returns.”

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MsJ  Aug 1, 2017 • 5:57:20pm
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Patricia Kayden  Aug 1, 2017 • 5:59:12pm

re: #367 Stanley Sea

Not even surprised. We’re living under a White Supremacist regime. As expected, Sessions’ appointment is going to have devastating consequences for minorities. Rough waters ahead. Sigh.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 1, 2017 • 5:59:13pm

re: #388 Kragar

Saw that. Was going to post, but your response is better than what I’d come up with.

395
lawhawk  Aug 1, 2017 • 6:01:05pm

Oh look. More Trump admin turnover:

Trump picked all the best people. That’s why they’re all incompetent and complicit in this craven admin.

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Jay C  Aug 1, 2017 • 6:01:39pm

re: #389 MsJ

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Yep: just as I thought: he doesn’t have the [brains, balls, skills, you pick ‘em] to come up with any good rationale to do one thing or another with the Russian-sanctions bill, so he’s just going to punt. And then probably spend an enormous amount of time coming up with some nasty tweet or other blaming somebody else (probably Obama) for any negative fallout.

What a disgrace.

397
Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 1, 2017 • 6:07:00pm

re: #389 MsJ

This is Trump all over. If you can’t win, slink away.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 1, 2017 • 6:08:33pm

In America, it’s hard for a white man to get ahead, apparently.

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Belafon  Aug 1, 2017 • 6:08:48pm

re: #397 Blind Frog Belly White

This is Trump all over. If you can’t win, slink away.

Like how he avoids going after Putin, Obama, Macron, and others with real power.

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No Depression  Aug 1, 2017 • 6:09:57pm

re: #387 MsJ

Gus gets a mention.

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These assholes are gonna fuck up 2020 too, aren’t they.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 1, 2017 • 6:09:58pm

re: #399 Belafon

Like how he avoids going after Putin, Obama, Macron, and others with real power.

The way he flapped his gums about El Chapo, but then got REAL QUIET when El Chapo told him to STFU.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 1, 2017 • 6:10:19pm

re: #377 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Bill Moyers: Five Lies That Are Ricocheting Around the Right-Wing Media Bubble

There are a lot more than five obviously, but these 5 are especially egregious. All have been comprehensively debunked, or even lamely repudiated by their originators in several cases, but they continue to circulate as gospel among the demented RWNJ faithful.
Summarized:
Lie #1: Fox News host Sean Hannity’s Seth Rich conspiracy theory
Lie #2: Infowars host Alex Jones: “Pizzagate is real”
Lie #3: Radio host Rush Limbaugh: NASA lied about finding water on Mars
Lie #4: Fox & Friends: “Illegal aliens” are registered to vote
Lie #5: breitbart.com: “Mob” of Muslims tried to burn down a German church

The third one is strange because it’s not political. How would a non scientist/non astronaut like Limbaugh know whether or not NASA was lying.

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BeachDem  Aug 1, 2017 • 6:11:35pm

re: #393 Patricia Kayden

Not even surprised. We’re living under a White Supremacist regime. As expected, Sessions’ appointment is going to have devastating consequences for minorities. Rough waters ahead. Sigh.

It gets worse.

He also suggested that the project would look for stark gaps in test scores and dropout rates among different racial cohorts within student bodies, which he said would be evidence suggesting that admissions offices were putting too great an emphasis on applicants’ race and crossing the line the Supreme Court has drawn.

Some of that data, he added, could be available through the Education Department’s Office for Civil Rights,

And just who did Betsy DeVos tap for that position, you ask?

The new acting head of the U.S. Department of Education’s Office for Civil Rights once complained that she experienced discrimination because she is white.

Although her limited background in civil rights law makes it difficult to infer her positions on specific issues, Jackson’s writings during and after college suggest she’s likely to steer one of the Education Department’s most important — and controversial — branches in a different direction than her predecessors. A longtime anti-Clinton activist and an outspoken conservative-turned-libertarian, she has denounced feminism and race-based preferences. She’s also written favorably about, and helped edit a book by, an economist who decried both compulsory education and the landmark Civil Rights Act of 1964.

More nauseating info here:
propublica.org

I need a drink.

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 1, 2017 • 6:14:08pm

re: #403 BeachDem

We all are going to need a drink before this administration gets done (or is thrown out).

405
Decatur Deb  Aug 1, 2017 • 6:14:08pm

re: #400 No Depression

These assholes are gonna fuck up 2020 too, aren’t they.

Not without Lefty help.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 1, 2017 • 6:16:47pm

re: #403 BeachDem

It gets worse.

…snip
I need a drink.

…A longtime anti-Clinton activist and an outspoken conservative-turned-libertarian,…

That’s like a tent caterpillar-turned-gypsy moth.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 1, 2017 • 6:18:27pm

re: #405 Decatur Deb

Not without Lefty help.

Like my idiot brother and idiot sister, who voted for Jill Stein, and voted for Hillary but to this day thinks that saying she never, ever liked Hillary is some kind of badge of honor (respectively).

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MsJ  Aug 1, 2017 • 6:26:41pm

re: #400 No Depression

These assholes are gonna fuck up 2020 too, aren’t they.

I’d be holding my breath on 2018, too.

409
Decatur Deb  Aug 1, 2017 • 6:32:53pm

re: #393 Patricia Kayden

Not even surprised. We’re living under a White Supremacist regime. As expected, Sessions’ appointment is going to have devastating consequences for minorities. Rough waters ahead. Sigh.

And people who don’t even know they are minorities are going to find out.

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NoSoapForYou  Aug 1, 2017 • 7:00:40pm

re: #136 Barefoot Grin

Third line: “We’re a banana republic.”

No. You’re banana Republicans.

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TedStriker  Aug 1, 2017 • 8:59:30pm

re: #388 Kragar

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But don’t let it be a black and a white one
‘Cause they’ll slam ya down to the street top.
Black police showing out for the white cop.


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