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Charles Johnson  Aug 2, 2017 • 5:42:18pm
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Kragar  Aug 2, 2017 • 5:44:29pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 2, 2017 • 5:48:21pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

Well Twitter has gone to shit, among other things.

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Kragar  Aug 2, 2017 • 5:49:58pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 2, 2017 • 5:51:53pm

re: #4 Kragar

More like Forrest Gump, without the kind heart.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 2, 2017 • 5:57:01pm
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NoSoapForYou  Aug 2, 2017 • 5:58:55pm

Trump’s entire White House is peopled by movie characters. A Leni Riefenstahl movie — but hey, whatever.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 2, 2017 • 5:58:56pm

re: #6 FormerDirtDart

If JFK had been that stupid we wouldn’t be here.

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Targetpractice  Aug 2, 2017 • 6:00:11pm

Media this morning: “It seems like Trump’s administration may have finally started to straighten out…”

Miller: *starts racist blathering*

Media: “Sorry, false alarm.”

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 2, 2017 • 6:02:10pm

re: #8 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

If JFK had been that stupid we wouldn’t be here.

Gives pause for thought.

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MsJ  Aug 2, 2017 • 6:03:19pm

From a comment from downstairs.

re: #466 Anymouse 🌹

ACLU files an amicus brief in support of John Oliver in the lawsuit against him by Robert Murray, Coal Baron (tm).

The ACLU brief is hilarious. (They ask the judge to throw out the suit.) More at the link:

huffingtonpost.com

You have got to read that entire brief. If all legal Briefs were like that, everyone would want to be an attorney.

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Targetpractice  Aug 2, 2017 • 6:03:24pm

re: #8 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

If JFK had been that stupid we wouldn’t be here.

Gee, that’s just what I need, the thought of how Trump would handle a modern-day Cuban Missile Crisis.

The survivors would be four roaches and Keith Richards.

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Myron Falwell  Aug 2, 2017 • 6:04:47pm

re: #6 FormerDirtDart

That Trump relies on Rage Furby’s GoutNwes doesn’t shock me as much as it really should.

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Kilroy was here  Aug 2, 2017 • 6:05:11pm
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EPR-radar  Aug 2, 2017 • 6:05:38pm

re: #6 FormerDirtDart

The true horribleness of POTUS Fuckface von Clownstick becomes more apparent every day.

The man is a synthesis of all negative human traits. The seven deadly sins — pride, greed, lust, envy, gluttony, wrath and sloth — are just the start for tr*mp.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 2, 2017 • 6:06:24pm

re: #6 FormerDirtDart

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I’m old enough to remember when people attacked our esteemed host for covering UpChuck because they said no one cared what UpChuck said.

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Targetpractice  Aug 2, 2017 • 6:06:43pm

Actually no, let me think that over again. If we had a modern-day Cuban Missile Crisis between the US and Russia, Trump would back down and spin it as his being magnanimous to Putin.

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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 2, 2017 • 6:08:01pm

You guys probably heard what Trump told his 1%er golf pals-the White House is a dump. How dare he insult our house. That he is in charge of. If I ever get in earshot of him I’m gonna get loud and his guards are gonna be eyeing me carefully, as they should in general but I would never instigate violence. Not even a spitwad. But I got words for this man.

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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 2, 2017 • 6:10:00pm

re: #17 Targetpractice

Actually no, let me think that over again. If we had a modern-day Cuban Missile Crisis between the US and Russia, Trump would back down and spin it as his being magnanimous to Putin.

FTR we are in a missile crisis, but not with Russia, which would be the other crisis, besides the staffing crisis and the ACA “crisis” of his own declaration.

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Targetpractice  Aug 2, 2017 • 6:12:27pm

re: #19 Unshaken Defiance

FTR we are in a missile crisis, but not with Russia, which would be the other crisis, besides the staffing crisis and the ACA “crisis” of his own declaration.

True, though in this case the danger isn’t from the country that he seems to be spoiling to pick a fight with, it’s the big brother who may not like his psychotic little brother, but isn’t about to allow the schoolyard bully to beat him up.

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Targetpractice  Aug 2, 2017 • 6:20:16pm

*pokes thread with a stick*

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NoSoapForYou  Aug 2, 2017 • 6:20:48pm

re: #11 MsJ

From a comment from downstairs.

You have got to read that entire brief. If all legal Briefs were like that, everyone would want to be an attorney.

I believe that the Oliver Wendell Douglass moment is when the ACLU states that you have a constitutional right to say, “Eat shit, Bob.”

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 2, 2017 • 6:22:17pm
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goddamnedfrank  Aug 2, 2017 • 6:23:09pm
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Myron Falwell  Aug 2, 2017 • 6:24:19pm

re: #20 Targetpractice

True, though in this case the danger isn’t from the country that he seems to be spoiling to pick a fight with, it’s the big brother who may not like his psychotic little brother, but isn’t about to allow the schoolyard bully to beat him up.

And the big brother knows the Five Point Palm Exploding Heart Technique that he can use on the schoolyard bully’s economy.

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Myron Falwell  Aug 2, 2017 • 6:25:15pm

re: #23 FormerDirtDart

Talk about a fight he’ll never win.

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wheat-dogg  Aug 2, 2017 • 6:27:54pm

re: #25 Myron Falwell

And the big brother knows the Five Point Palm Exploding Heart Technique that he can use on the schoolyard bully’s economy.

Big Daddy Xi has many techniques to fuck with our economy. Trouble is, it would hurt his economy too.

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Targetpractice  Aug 2, 2017 • 6:28:55pm

re: #24 goddamnedfrank

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Fox News: Where time stopped on Nov 7th, 2016.

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Jay C  Aug 2, 2017 • 6:31:22pm

re: #10 Barefoot Grin

re: #8 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

If JFK had been that stupid we wouldn’t be here.

Gives pause for thought.

While it has generally been overlooked by the passage of time (beginning with the post-Dallas “Camelot” mythologizing) ISTR that one of the recurring contemporary criticisms of John Kennedy as a politician (and, to a degree, as President) was that - Harvard education aside - he really wasn’t all that “smart”; and that his main gift(s) as a public figure were - besides his family money and connections - a notable ability to construct, polish and control his public image: a knack which would pay off way more in the Age of Television than it might have in prior eras.
Of course, JFK was “smarter” in numerous ways than Donald Trump (low bar, etc., I know), but at least Kennedy knew enough to surround himself with - and listen to, when necessary - people who may have been smarter than him: the Kennedy WH was often criticized for its odd mix of personnel: liberal Harvard intellectuals and old-time Boston-Irish pols; but at least they were not the toxic gang of ego-fluffing hacks, toadies, neofascists and entitled relatives we have nowadays.

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Myron Falwell  Aug 2, 2017 • 6:37:56pm

re: #28 Targetpractice

Fox News: Where time stopped on Nov 5th, 2016 1860.

Modified for accuracy.

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EPR-radar  Aug 2, 2017 • 6:38:18pm

re: #29 Jay C

To find a worse crew than the tr*mp administration hive of scum and villainy, nothing in US history will suffice. The Nazis, the regime of Idi Amin, and some of the worst Roman emperors are suitable points of reference.

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MsJ  Aug 2, 2017 • 6:40:35pm

Wow.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 2, 2017 • 6:42:32pm
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Kragar  Aug 2, 2017 • 6:42:44pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 2, 2017 • 6:44:34pm

re: #18 Unshaken Defiance

You guys probably heard what Trump told his 1%er golf pals-the White House is a dump. How dare he insult our house. That he is in charge of. If I ever get in earshot of him I’m gonna get loud and his guards are gonna be eyeing me carefully, as they should in general but I would never instigate violence. Not even a spitwad. But I got words for this man.

Don’t leave the country if you do that. You might be detained by Customs and Border Protection Services as the British musician was.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 2, 2017 • 6:45:33pm
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Myron Falwell  Aug 2, 2017 • 6:45:42pm

re: #31 EPR-radar

To find a worse crew than the tr*mp administration hive of scum and villainy, nothing in US history will suffice. The Nazis, the regime of Idi Amin, and some of the worst Roman emperors are suitable points of reference.

Andrew Jackson and his genocidal rampage of the First Nations would be the closest comparison I can think of.

And Trump paid homage at Jackson’s grave not that long ago because of course he did.

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No Depression  Aug 2, 2017 • 6:46:21pm

re: #34 Kragar

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Yeah, the magazine of the one percent’s favorite sport is totally LIBRUL FAEK NOOS!11!1!!!1

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JordanRules  Aug 2, 2017 • 6:47:03pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 2, 2017 • 6:48:30pm

re: #29 Jay C

That is the most important part of being a politician, whether a city council member or a president.

It is not nearly as important that you have a first-class university education, or are off the right side of the IQ bell curve, as it is you are willing to surround yourself with knowledgeable people and willing to listen to their advice.

JFK was certainly no dunce. What makes him stand out was he surrounded himself with people who were extremely good at what they did.

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 2, 2017 • 6:49:53pm

re: #8 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

If JFK had been that stupid we wouldn’t be here.

Except if JFK had been as stupid as Trump, the electorate of 1960 would never have elected him. He may not have been brilliant, but he was poised, educated, knowledgeable, and eloquent — and actually served during the war and had been a Senator for 8 years. None of these characteristics apply to Trump.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 2, 2017 • 6:51:44pm
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EPR-radar  Aug 2, 2017 • 6:51:54pm

re: #40 Anymouse 🌹

That is the most important part of being a politician, whether a city council member or a president.

It is not nearly as important that you have a first-class university education, or are off the right side of the IQ bell curve, as it is you are willing to surround yourself with knowledgeable people and willing to listen to their advice.

JFK was certainly no dunce. What makes him stand out was he surrounded himself with people who were extremely good at what they did.

Even with that, mistakes were made (e.g., Vietnam) because being president is hard. tr*mp has not yet been tested by any external events. When that test comes, he will fail. Miserably.

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Teukka  Aug 2, 2017 • 6:53:14pm

re: #36 Charles Johnson

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re: #42 Charles Johnson

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I dunno, but isn’t there an ‘h’ too much in Chuck Johnsons first name?
*whistles as he walks away discretely*

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 2, 2017 • 6:55:06pm

Tillerson Won’t Use $80 Million to Fight Isis Propaganda Because Don’t Tell Him What to Do (goes to Wonkette)—more at the link:

Secretary of State Rex Tillerson is doing his part to prevent the State Department from doing too much diplomacy, since as everyone knows, America needs to be tough, not talky, and that’s probably a good enough reason right there for Tillerson’s refusal to spend some $80 million already allocated to counter propaganda from ISIS and from other, ahem, foreign disinformation campaigns. Besides, some of the funding might go to messages the Russians don’t like, and we wouldn’t want them unhappy with us, would we? An investigative report in Politico has the teeth-grinding details on why Tillerson’s State Department may let money earmarked to fight propaganda just go away:

Tillerson has not issued a simple request for the money earmarked for the State Department’s Global Engagement Center, $60 million of which is now parked at the Pentagon. Another $19.8 million sits untouched at the State Department as Tillerson’s aides reject calls from career diplomats and members of Congress to put the money to work against America’s adversaries.

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Targetpractice  Aug 2, 2017 • 6:59:53pm

re: #29 Jay C

While it has generally been overlooked by the passage of time (beginning with the post-Dallas “Camelot” mythologizing) ISTR that one of the recurring contemporary criticisms of John Kennedy as a politician (and, to a degree, as President) was that - Harvard education aside - he really wasn’t all that “smart”; and that his main gift(s) as a public figure were - besides his family money and connections - a notable ability to construct, polish and control his public image: a knack which would pay off way more in the Age of Television than it might have in prior eras.
Of course, JFK was “smarter” in numerous ways than Donald Trump (low bar, etc., I know), but at least Kennedy knew enough to surround himself with - and listen to, when necessary - people who may have been smarter than him: the Kennedy WH was often criticized for its odd mix of personnel: liberal Harvard intellectuals and old-time Boston-Irish pols; but at least they were not the toxic gang of ego-fluffing hacks, toadies, neofascists and entitled relatives we have nowadays.

I’ve generally been one of those people who believes that, had JFK not been assassinated in ‘63, he’d probably have faced a difficulty reelection bid and a lot of the stuff today credited to him would have taken longer to happen. So much of the modern mystique that grew up around “Camelot” has to do with how sudden Kennedy’s end was. Plus it was the pre-Watergate days of journalism where political news was limited to policy and issues, with the muckraking kept isolated to the gossip rags and a politician’s private life respected as private.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 2, 2017 • 7:02:12pm
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makeitstop  Aug 2, 2017 • 7:03:56pm
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Belafon  Aug 2, 2017 • 7:06:42pm

re: #36 Charles Johnson

And I’m serious. The disambiguation page on wikipedia for Charles Johnson is huge.

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jaunte  Aug 2, 2017 • 7:06:48pm

re: #48 makeitstop

And just a few years ago it was just 18%
npr.org

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 2, 2017 • 7:09:22pm

Lawrence O’Donnell asks “Why is Trump terrified of Vladimir Putin”. Any bets that it’s Putin knows that Trump’s net worth is modest and that he owes a fortune to the Russians?

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jaunte  Aug 2, 2017 • 7:09:43pm

July 6, 1999

“In the new poll, about four out of five Americans (79%) correctly respond that the earth revolves around the sun, while 18% say it is the other way around. “
gallup.com

The dumbness is gaining on us.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 2, 2017 • 7:11:02pm

re: #52 jaunte

July 6, 1999

The dumbness is gaining on us.

It’s not a regression to the mean, it’s simply regression all the way down. Idiocracy was apparently not comedy but a waypoint.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 2, 2017 • 7:11:05pm
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Targetpractice  Aug 2, 2017 • 7:12:53pm

re: #51 Hecuba’s daughter

Lawrence O’Donnell asks “Why is Trump terrified of Vladimir Putin”. Any bets that it’s Putin knows that Trump’s net worth is modest and that he owes a fortune to the Russians?

I’d say Trump’s biggest fear is the public will learn that he’s up to his eyeballs in debt to Russian banks.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 2, 2017 • 7:12:58pm

Off-topic: I went to the general store and checked a lotto ticket. Yay! I won the lotto! ($19 and a free ticket)

I need to get my laundry off the line before it rains … catch ya in a bit.

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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 2, 2017 • 7:13:59pm
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BeachDem  Aug 2, 2017 • 7:14:05pm

Lawrence is sooooo enjoying himself tonight, talking about how weak the yam is and continually calling Kelly the boss of trump and how the yam is terrified of Putin.

Forget keeping him away from Fox—if anyone lets him see this show, he’ll go on a tweetstorm of epic proportion.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 2, 2017 • 7:14:30pm
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Belafon  Aug 2, 2017 • 7:15:18pm

re: #58 BeachDem

Lawrence is sooooo enjoying himself tonight, talking about how weak the yam is and continually calling Kelly the boss of trump and how the yam is terrified of Putin.

Forget keeping him away from Fox—if anyone lets him see this show, he’ll go on a tweetstorm of epic proportion.

Sounds like Lawrence wants Trump to see it.

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Targetpractice  Aug 2, 2017 • 7:15:44pm

re: #58 BeachDem

Lawrence is sooooo enjoying himself tonight, talking about how weak the yam is and continually calling Kelly the boss of trump and how the yam is terrified of Putin.

Forget keeping him away from Fox—if anyone lets him see this show, he’ll go on a tweetstorm of epic proportion.

You’d almost think Lawrence is trying to goad Trump into firing Kelly.

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BeachDem  Aug 2, 2017 • 7:15:57pm

re: #32 MsJ

Wow.

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Per Charlie Pierce:

The way Miller leaned into the word “cosmopolitan” while answering Acosta has a long and ignoble history in 20th century authoritarianism, especially the anti-Semitic variety. During World War II, for example, the Soviet government under Stalin used to rail regularly at “rootless cosmopolitanism,” especially in the arts. The Nazis were fond of tossing it around, too. There is no context in which Miller’s use of the word against Acosta makes sense except as a historical signaling device.

esquire.com

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Myron Falwell  Aug 2, 2017 • 7:15:58pm

re: #49 Belafon

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And I’m serious. The disambiguation page on wikipedia for Charles Johnson is huge.

I love that, in that extensive list, Rage Furby comes dead last.

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Targetpractice  Aug 2, 2017 • 7:19:09pm

re: #59 FormerDirtDart

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Meanwhile, it’s a known fact that the FBI’s NY office tried to convince superiors to allow them to investigate the Clinton Foundation on little more than the shit published in Clinton Cash, and that Comey wrote his infamous October Surprise letter out of fear that said office would “leak” news of Huma’s emails to the press.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 2, 2017 • 7:19:11pm

This has been bugging me but when I finally figured it out I discovered that Andy Richter had solved it first back in February.

Played Zach, Victor Maitland’s henchman in Beverly Hills Cop.

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Myron Falwell  Aug 2, 2017 • 7:19:23pm

re: #59 FormerDirtDart

Looks like Lumpy’s auditioning for The Price is Alt-Right.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 2, 2017 • 7:21:30pm

re: #63 Myron Falwell

I love that, in that extensive list, Rage Furby comes dead last.

Ugh, last I checked that shistain didn’t have an entry. I was hoping it would stay that way.

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BeachDem  Aug 2, 2017 • 7:21:57pm

re: #60 Belafon

Sounds like Lawrence wants Trump to see it.

Oh for sure—he usually uses his opening segment to bait him—and he has such an adorable gleam in his eye, it’s heartwarming.

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Myron Falwell  Aug 2, 2017 • 7:23:50pm

re: #67 Eclectic Cyborg

Ugh, last I checked that shistain didn’t have an entry. I was hoping it would stay that way.

It’s definitely not a flattering entry.

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BeachDem  Aug 2, 2017 • 7:25:51pm

re: #34 Kragar

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Targetpractice  Aug 2, 2017 • 7:27:13pm

My prediction right now: In the next few weeks, some story’s gonna drop that makes it pretty much impossible for Jared to realistically stay on with the administration. Kelly will ask him to leave, Jared will refuse, and both will lobby Donny Two Scoops to take their side. Jared will get Ivanka to lobby daddy on his belief, which will lead to either Kelly resigning out of frustration or being fired for failure to fall on his sword to protect Jared.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 2, 2017 • 7:30:55pm

Been playing around with the Nuke Map. Yesterday I tested various warheads against Lubbock and Fort Worth. Today I went all the way:

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 2, 2017 • 7:31:38pm

re: #71 Targetpractice

My prediction right now: In the next few weeks, some story’s gonna drop that makes it pretty much impossible for Jared to realistically stay on with the administration. Kelly will ask him to leave, Jared will refuse, and both will lobby Donny Two Scoops to take their side. Jared will get Ivanka to lobby daddy on his belief, which will lead to either Kelly resigning out of frustration or being fired for failure to fall on his sword to protect Jared.

I doubt Kelly is going to last even that long.

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Teukka  Aug 2, 2017 • 7:32:36pm

re: #72 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Been playing around with the Nuke Map. Yesterday I tested various warheads against Lubbock and Fort Worth. Today I went all the way:

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Targetpractice  Aug 2, 2017 • 7:34:06pm

re: #73 Hecuba’s daughter

I doubt Kelly is going to last even that long.

Well, I have to admit I’m surprised that Mueller made it to the end of July. I think that right now, the only thing keeping him on the job is the DNC refusing to allow Congress to fully adjourn. Else Trump might have gone ahead, fired Sessions by now, and recess appointed a willing stooge to do the job.

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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 2, 2017 • 7:42:19pm

Max Boot came to this?!

Now the question is whether the administration will do anything at all to respond to Putin’s enforced downsizing of the U.S. mission in Russia. If Trump were so inclined, there is much he could do, from slowing down the issuance of visas to Russians who want to visit the U.S., to freezing the bank accounts of Putin and his oligarch friends (it would be poetic justice to freeze 755 accounts), to adopting a Pentagon proposal to ship anti-tank missiles and other potent weaponry to the Ukrainian armed forces resisting Russian aggression.

Will Trump do any of this? Doubtful. The only anti-Russian measures he has taken are those that have been forced on him by Congress. The administration isn’t hesitating to impose personal sanctions on the dictator of Venezuela, just the dictator of Russia.

Trump’s fondness for Putin is the big mystery of global politics. Perhaps Trump simply admires the Russian strongman, or perhaps the Steele Dossier, compiled by a former British intelligence officer, is accurate and Putin has something on Trump. Whatever the case, Trump’s unwillingness to get tough with Russia saps his credibility, strengthens suspicions of collusion with the Kremlin, worries our Eastern European allies and undermines America’s standing in the world. That is a high price to pay for trying to remain in the good graces of an anti-American dictator.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 2, 2017 • 7:42:28pm
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teleskiguy  Aug 2, 2017 • 7:42:35pm

I’m in Twitter jail for a week! All because I called a “Christain conservative” Nazi a ****. No tweets or retweets coming from me on Twitter until next week.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 2, 2017 • 7:43:53pm

re: #74 Teukka

I can’t use Nukemap, because my security software throws up a cross-site scripting command (it blocks those).

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 2, 2017 • 7:46:56pm
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jaunte  Aug 2, 2017 • 7:48:19pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 2, 2017 • 7:48:44pm

Just received a phone call: a political survey with one question:

Do you approve or disapprove of the job Donald Trump has done since becoming President.

(Gales of laughter)

Caller: Is that a yes or no?

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jaunte  Aug 2, 2017 • 7:50:41pm

Canadian Mark Steyn (who lives and works in the U.S.) trashing Emmas Lazarus’ poem on the benefits to the U.S. of immigration.

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MsJ  Aug 2, 2017 • 7:51:09pm

re: #82 Anymouse 🌹

Just received a phone call: a political survey with one question:

Do you approve or disapprove of the job Donald Trump has done since becoming President.

(Gales of laughter)

Caller: Is that a yes or no?

What organization called? Do you know?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 2, 2017 • 7:52:15pm

Those white guys. Getting shafted in higher education because of their race.

usatoday.com

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 2, 2017 • 7:53:07pm

re: #18 Unshaken Defiance

You guys probably heard what Trump told his 1%er golf pals-the White House is a dump. How dare he insult our house. That he is in charge of. If I ever get in earshot of him I’m gonna get loud and his guards are gonna be eyeing me carefully, as they should in general but I would never instigate violence. Not even a spitwad. But I got words for this man.

Has Trump denied that he made that statement? I assume he will if pressed. His constant golfing and trips to Florida suggest that the White House is not gaudy enough for his nouveau rich tastes. I’m not surprised that such a crass man can’t appreciate the history and prestige associated with the White House.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 2, 2017 • 7:55:35pm

re: #78 teleskiguy

I’m in Twitter jail for a week! All because I called a “Christain conservative” Nazi a ****. No tweets or retweets coming from me on Twitter until next week.

Really? And yet racists like Richard Spencer still have Twitter accounts, right? Wish there was an alternative.

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jaunte  Aug 2, 2017 • 7:56:29pm

re: #86 Patricia Kayden

“… Trump took to Twitter Wednesday night to deny he made the remark. “I love the White House, one of the most beautiful buildings (homes) I have ever seen,” he tweeted. “But Fake News said I called it a dump - TOTALLY UNTRUE.”
abcnews.go.com

You know those golf magazine leftists, always making trouble.

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Belafon  Aug 2, 2017 • 7:56:40pm

re: #86 Patricia Kayden

Has Trump denied that he made that statement? I assume he will if pressed. His constant golfing and trips to Florida suggest that the White House is not gaudy enough for his nouveau rich tastes. I’m not surprised that such a crass man can’t appreciate the history and prestige associated with the White House.

from #34:

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William Lewis  Aug 2, 2017 • 7:56:42pm

re: #72 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 2, 2017 • 7:56:59pm

re: #84 MsJ

What organization called? Do you know?

They identified themselves, but I do not remember the name. I’m sorry. I should have noted it for future hilarity.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 2, 2017 • 7:57:45pm

re: #70 BeachDem

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He’s such a liar that now that he has denied it, we all can be certain that it is true.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 2, 2017 • 7:58:04pm

re: #89 Belafon

Just saw it. Thanks.

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Myron Falwell  Aug 2, 2017 • 7:59:09pm

re: #83 jaunte

Canadian Mark Steyn (who lives and works in the U.S.) trashing Emmas Lazarus’ poem on the benefits to the U.S. of immigration.

Did Steyn ever become a naturalized U.S. citizen?

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Decatur Deb  Aug 2, 2017 • 7:59:25pm

re: #72 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Dragged a realistic 800kt over Rucker, the only nearby target. Nukes are over-rated.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 2, 2017 • 7:59:43pm

re: #85 GlutenFreeJesus

Those white guys. Getting shafted in higher education because of their race.

usatoday.com

White men and Christians have it so hard in this hellhole known as the U.S. Sad!!!

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jaunte  Aug 2, 2017 • 8:02:00pm

re: #94 Myron Falwell

I think he is still a Canadian citizen.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 2, 2017 • 8:02:11pm

re: #94 Myron Falwell

Did Steyn ever become a naturalized U.S. citizen?

No. But that fellow has an interesting (racist and fascist) history.

en.wikipedia.org

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 2, 2017 • 8:03:12pm

re: #59 FormerDirtDart

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Hannity is frustrated because he’s an idiot and nothing he spews will save his President. Trump’s poll numbers are earth shatteringly low and nothing Hannity says will halt Trump’s downward spiral. I’d be frustrated too if I hooked my wagon to Trump.

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jaunte  Aug 2, 2017 • 8:03:32pm
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MsJ  Aug 2, 2017 • 8:04:55pm
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Kragar  Aug 2, 2017 • 8:05:18pm

re: #95 Decatur Deb

Dragged a realistic 800kt over Rucker, the only nearby target. Nukes are over-rated.

Dropped 1 800kt over where I worked, got 150k dead, 600k casualties.

Where I work would get a lot more than 1 800kt pointed at it.

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jaunte  Aug 2, 2017 • 8:08:34pm

re: #86 Patricia Kayden

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 2, 2017 • 8:10:27pm

Update on my grandnephew Joshua—EKG and MRI show that Joshua had a stroke on the left side of his brain that has caused mobility problems on his right side. A neurologist is flying in to Pittsburgh tonight to examine Josh at Pittsburgh’s Children’s Hospital.

I just want to let everyone in this community know how much I appreciate all the positive energy you’re sending Joshua. Thank you and bless all of you.

As soon as I get another update I will post it.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 2, 2017 • 8:12:21pm

re: #102 Kragar

Dropped 1 800kt over where I worked, got 150k dead, 600k casualties.

Where I work would get a lot more than 1 800kt pointed at it.

Presuming every ICBM silo would have at least one nuke pointed at it, where I live would be a crater about five hundred metres deep.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 2, 2017 • 8:12:28pm

re: #102 Kragar

Dropped 1 800kt over where I worked, got 150k dead, 600k casualties.

Where I work would get a lot more than 1 800kt pointed at it.

Population density. About 7k dead here.

Our tiny installation in Italy had two 500kt IRBMs waiting in Hungary—for good reason.

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jaunte  Aug 2, 2017 • 8:14:16pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 2, 2017 • 8:14:26pm

re: #104 Joe Bacon 🌹

Update on my grandnephew Joshua—EKG and MRI show that Joshua had a stroke on the left side of his brain that has caused mobility problems on his right side. A neurologist is flying in to Pittsburgh tonight to examine Josh at Pittsburgh’s Children’s Hospital.

I just want to let everyone in this community know how much I appreciate all the positive energy you’re sending Joshua. Thank you and bless all of you.

As soon as I get another update I will post it.

I sincerely hope that first-class scientifically-minded physicians will be able to help your grandnephew. I hold your family in my thoughts.

As a person with epilepsy myself, things such as stroke and SUDEPS are never far from my mind.

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teleskiguy  Aug 2, 2017 • 8:17:22pm

re: #72 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

I “nuked” Denver with Tsar Bomba. The whole city would be completely destroyed.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 2, 2017 • 8:18:03pm

Folks, please forgive me if I haven’t gotten to everyone’s replies to give them an up-ding. I’m just so worried about Josh because I’m so far away.

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Jay C  Aug 2, 2017 • 8:19:45pm

re: #110 Joe Bacon 🌹

Folks, please forgive me if I haven’t gotten to everyone’s replies to give them an up-ding. I’m just so worried about Josh because I’m so far away.

No problems, Joe: you have more important things to think about.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 2, 2017 • 8:20:47pm

re: #95 Decatur Deb

Dragged a realistic 800kt over Rucker, the only nearby target. Nukes are over-rated.

There are certainly some wild ideas out there about their effects, such as a crater 100 miles wide or a dozen of them breaking up the planet (both of which I have heard). I think a lot of this results from counter-survival propaganda, as well as a general cultural bias against the hardships, discipline, and even brutality that would be necessary. Some of this propaganda is well-intended, based on the assumption that any belief in the survivability of nuclear war would somehow make it more acceptable. I really don’t know how many people would find a desperate subsistence level survival preferable to immediate death, though, and I have always rejected that argument. “You mean there’s a slight chance we can live on like rats in the subway instead of being flash fried? Well, hot damn! Let’s nuke the bastards!”
The real thing is entirely bad enough.

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MsJ  Aug 2, 2017 • 8:23:13pm

re: #110 Joe Bacon 🌹

Folks, please forgive me if I haven’t gotten to everyone’s replies to give them an up-ding. I’m just so worried about Josh because I’m so far away.

Updings aren’t needed. His improvement is.

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MsJ  Aug 2, 2017 • 8:23:48pm
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Decatur Deb  Aug 2, 2017 • 8:32:25pm

re: #112 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

…snip Some of this propaganda is well-intended, based on the assumption that any belief in the survivability of nuclear war would somehow make it more acceptable. …

If Herman Kahn’t, nobody Kahn.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 2, 2017 • 8:33:07pm

Worth a read, to see what churches are up to with the administration:

In the early morning hours of November 9, 2016, God told Frank Amedia that with Donald Trump having been elected president, Amedia and his fellow Trump-supporting “apostles” and “prophets” had a new mission. Thus was born POTUS Shield, a network of Pentecostal leaders devoted to helping Trump bring about the reign of God in America and the world.

Amedia described the divine origins of POTUS Shield during a gathering that spread over three days in March 2017 at the northeastern Ohio church he pastors. Interspersed with Pentecostal worship, liturgical dancing, speaking in tongues, shofar blowing, and Israeli flag waving, Amedia and other POTUS Shield leaders put forth their vision for a Christian America and their plans to bring it to fruition through prayer, political engagement and organizing in all 50 states. Among the many decrees made at the event was that Islam must be “completely broken down.”

(More at Right Wing Watch)
rightwingwatch.org

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Belafon  Aug 2, 2017 • 8:35:17pm

re: #116 Anymouse 🌹

Worth a read, to see what churches are up to with the administration:

(More at Right Wing Watch)
rightwingwatch.org

Here’s to hoping Trump brings this down as well.

My dad was telling me that the pastor at his church, which is the largest in the city, does not want to hear anyone say “God told me to do this.” He said that’s not how it works.

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Teukka  Aug 2, 2017 • 8:37:15pm

re: #101 MsJ

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 2, 2017 • 8:45:11pm

re: #115 Decatur Deb

If Herman Kahn’t, nobody Kahn.

Actually met Herman Kahn once. He weighed around 400 pounds and seemed pretty excitable. He died at 61 and did pretty well to reach even that.

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Kragar  Aug 2, 2017 • 8:48:06pm
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Pawn of the Oppressor  Aug 2, 2017 • 8:48:28pm

re: #72 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Been playing around with the Nuke Map. Yesterday I tested various warheads against Lubbock and Fort Worth. Today I went all the way:

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Holy Christ. The distance between FW and Possum Kingdom was an all-day motorcycle ride for me one day in April several years ago. I’m trying to think of EVERYTHING I rode through that day, covered in fire from one bomb.

The human race is really a piece of work.

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Belafon  Aug 2, 2017 • 8:49:55pm

My wife found out today that a co-karate student of my oldest son died from brain cancer. We hadn’t seen him since he graduated from high school, but she found out through facebook that he was diagnosed with cancer after getting headaches last september. They had performed surgery and chemo, but he did not make it. He passed away a couple of days ago and was, if we’re remembering the age correctly, about 26.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 2, 2017 • 8:51:59pm

After being called out here some weeks ago for hypocrisy over Twitter, I have neither been there nor read Twitter comments pasted here.

That said, the only place I have been able to trace this is to Twitter, so I will leave this here for you.

It turns out that Stephen “English Only” Miller’s immigrant great-grandparents couldn’t speak English.

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Belafon  Aug 2, 2017 • 8:54:08pm

re: #123 Anymouse 🌹

After being called out here some weeks ago for hypocrisy over Twitter, I have neither been there nor read Twitter comments pasted here.

That said, the only place I have been able to trace this is to Twitter, so I will leave this here for you.

It turns out that Stephen “English Only” Miller’s immigrant great-grandparents couldn’t speak English.

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She lies. America didn’t start, fully formed by the grace of God, until 1911. //

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 2, 2017 • 8:58:58pm

Jim Wright drags both magical-thinking conservatives and liberal who think ignoring Trump is the best answer in his new post.

stonekettle.com

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teleskiguy  Aug 2, 2017 • 9:00:10pm

I would respond directly on Twitter, but I’m in Twitter jail for a week.

Bernie Sanders is the enemy, he’s a fuckin’ old coot gleefully destroying Democratic Party unity because the BernBro factor has gone to his stupid bald fuckin’ head. He needs to shut the fuck up.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 2, 2017 • 9:01:51pm

re: #121 Pawn of the Oppressor

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 2, 2017 • 9:11:35pm

When does Trump sign an EO to remove the poem from the Statue of Liberty?

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Stanley Sea  Aug 2, 2017 • 9:15:27pm

Until Yesterday

I’m so over the shitshow, I’m listening to my greatest hits

She bathes me in sweetness I cannot reveal
For sharing dreams I need my woman
This humble expression meagerly dressed
My eyes so mean it has no meaning
But jealous night and all her secret chords
I must be deaf on the telephone I need my love to translate
I play the piano no more running honey
This time to the sky I’ll sing if clouds don’t hear me
To the sun I’ll cry and even if I’m blinded
I’ll try moon gazer because with you I’m stronger
Arc of a diver effortlessly, my mind in sky and when I wake up
Daytime and nighttime I feel you near
Warm water breathing she helps me here
This time to the sky I’ll sing if clouds don’t hear me
To the sun I’ll cry and even if I’m blinded
I’ll try moon gazer because with you I’m stronger
Lean streaky music spawned on the streets I hear it but with you I had to go
‘Cause my rock ‘n’ roll is putting on weight and the beat it goes on
Arc of a diver effortlessly, my mind in sky and when I wake up
Daytime and nighttime I feel you near
Warm water breathing she helps me here
With you my love we’re going to raid the future
With you my love we’re going to stick up the past
We’ll hold today to ransom ‘til our quartz clock stop until yesterday

Arc Of A Diver

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majii  Aug 2, 2017 • 9:23:57pm

re: #126 teleskiguy

“Bernie Sanders is the enemy, he’s a fuckin’ old coot gleefully destroying Democratic Party unity because the BernBro factor has gone to his stupid bald fuckin’ head. He needs to shut the fuck up.”

I wish he’d shut the f*** up. I read a few days ago that he’s now telling liberals not to trust Democrats. This is the type of divisive BS that the Democratic Party doesn’t need. He should be working to oppose Trump and the GOPer politicians in his cabal, and telling everyone to get out and vote against them in the midterms, but noooo, he wants to continue playing the purity card. What pissed me off about Bernie was that as soon as he lost the primary to HRC, he declared that he’s no longer a member of the Democratic Party and returned to being a socialist. If this is the case, why is he constantly intervening in Democratic Party affairs? I wish Maxine Waters would get him off in a private place and tell him to stop dividing the party using language even he could understand. He needs to understand that just because he has a loyal group of followers doesn’t mean he controls a party he’s not a member of.

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BeachDem  Aug 2, 2017 • 9:34:56pm

re: #128 GlutenFreeJesus

When does Trump sign an EO to remove the poem from the Statue of Liberty?

Seems like a good time for this:

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 2, 2017 • 9:42:22pm

A black woman writes about her experience on Facebook and Twitter.

She went into a Cracker Barrel and was concerned for her safety. She made the mistake of putting that concern on Twitter.

Twitchy picked up her Tweet, then the rape threats, death threats, hate memes, &c started pouring in. Then it went to her Facebook account. Then her children’s accounts.

Complaints to Twitter were largely successful. Complaints to Facebook got her suspended.

medium.com

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JordanRules  Aug 2, 2017 • 9:43:22pm

Such an uphill battle to keep fighting off all the misinformation and dishonest actors.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 2, 2017 • 9:56:16pm

Stephen Miller has been a hateful guy from way back.
rawstory.com

Twenty-One Facts Explain Exactly Who Stephen Miller Is and Why the Trump Mouthpiece Does What He Does

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 2, 2017 • 10:10:48pm

Rude Pundit on Trump’s lie that the Boy Scouts called him up and told him that his speech was the best ever delivered to the Jamboree.

rudepundit.blogspot.com
(more at the link)

But with Trump, if you’re gonna describe something, you tell everyone it’s the best, the top, or, in this case, “I got a call from the head of the Boy Scouts saying it was the greatest speech that was ever made to them, and they were very thankful.” Motherfucker, in 1969, Neil Armstrong sent a message from fuckin’ space. In 1973, fuckin’ Bob Hope and Danny Thomas spoke at the Jamboree. In 1989, Steven fuckin’ Spielberg talked to the scouts. And you can bet he didn’t bring up his rich friends who lost money or his election win. Oh, and Trump never got the call from the Boy Scouts. So either he’s lying or some staff member called him up and pretended to be from the BSA to soothe Trump’s fragile ego bone.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 2, 2017 • 10:16:18pm

businessinsider.com

NASA has a job opening for someone to defend Earth from aliens — and it pays a six-figure salary

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BeachDem  Aug 2, 2017 • 10:16:22pm

OMG—if you’re bored and want to laugh at some serious melodrama, check out Laura Loomer’s twitter tirade about her tire—which she claims was slashed because she was doxed, but which even ardent RWNJ’s are laughing their asses off because it is obviously a dry-rotted piece of shit tire that blew out.

She claims that a Triple A guy, a tire guy AND the police said it was slashed—her drama knows no bounds. She is a total loon (figures she and Posobiec are BFFs)

There are multiple tweets about her “horrific” dilemma. At one point, somebody blames ACORN.

And, of course, SMOTI rides to the rescue:

OK—way too much time on my hands—I should go to bed. I blame Charlie Pierce for leading me there in the first place with this tweet.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 2, 2017 • 10:20:56pm

I’m out to bed. Water test in the morning, VA appointment in the afternoon.

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sagehen  Aug 2, 2017 • 10:29:17pm

re: #65 goddamnedfrank

This has been bugging me but when I finally figured it out I discovered that Andy Richter had solved it first back in February.

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Played Zach, Victor Maitland’s henchman in Beverly Hills Cop.

30 years later, he’s Mike Ehrmantraut in Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul.

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fern01  Aug 2, 2017 • 10:41:00pm

So I was listening to a pundit and managed to catch a small (very small) part of Sarah H Sanders talking about the President’s lies.

I wonder how any of these people can sleep at night. I’ve had one job where my boss wanted me to lie to clients. I didn’t get any sleep for weeks & then I resigned. Despite being a complete financial disaster, I was able to sleep.

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retired cynic  Aug 2, 2017 • 10:42:02pm

re: #140 fern01

So I was listening to a pundit and managed to catch a small (very small) part of Sarah H Sanders talking about the President’s lies.

I wonder how any of these people can sleep at night. I’ve had one job where my boss wanted me to lie to clients. I didn’t get any sleep for weeks & then I resigned. Despite being a complete financial disaster, I was able to sleep.

They have obviously convinced themselves that we as a people do not deserve any better.

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fern01  Aug 2, 2017 • 10:48:49pm

re: #141 retired cynic

They have obviously convinced themselves that we as a people do not deserve any better.

I’m thinking more about their own morality, lifestyle and beliefs than what they think of others. Working for someone who continually lies is the most stressful thing (work wise) that I have ever experienced. We see that they cannot keep the lies in order - they keep changing. Admit one lie by posing another. They don’t even try to keep the lies in sequence and when in doubt, attack Hillary Clinton.

I do believe this is why MCain turned on Trump - knowing he was heading out - he could no longer cope with the never ending lies.

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retired cynic  Aug 2, 2017 • 10:50:52pm

re: #142 fern01

Lying for “God”?

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prairiefire  Aug 2, 2017 • 10:51:26pm

re: #129 Stanley Sea

Lovely

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prairiefire  Aug 2, 2017 • 10:53:03pm

re: #139 sagehen

30 years later, he’s Mike Ehrmantraut in Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul.

Mike’s my old guy crush in Better CallSaul, before he turns nasty.

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fern01  Aug 2, 2017 • 10:54:57pm

re: #143 retired cynic

Lying for “God”?

Lying “to do god’s will” perhaps? Be interesting to hear what St Peter has to say when they reach the Pearly Gates.

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Apocalypse  Aug 2, 2017 • 10:58:45pm

re: #140 fern01

I think that means you’ve still got your soul (or self-respect, same thing to me).

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Apocalypse  Aug 2, 2017 • 11:05:44pm

re: #136 Anymouse 🌹

Requirements:
First name:Doom
Surname:Guy

I hear they will also accept the names Crash* and Phobos*, or for that matter, Deimos^.

*Quake 3: Arena reference.
^Deimos is the name of one of the moons of Mars. The other Moon is called the aforementioned Phobos.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 2, 2017 • 11:18:47pm
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teleskiguy  Aug 2, 2017 • 11:26:28pm

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 2, 2017 • 11:33:23pm
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teleskiguy  Aug 2, 2017 • 11:37:45pm

re: #150 teleskiguy

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 2, 2017 • 11:52:08pm

re: #151 goddamnedfrank

LOL, a far right wing lunatic account by the name of PizzaGateLibya thinks this is the kind of thing that will discredit her side. Holy shit these people wtf?

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teleskiguy  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:00:18am

I’m kind of pissed that Twitter came down so hard on me today. I never threatened anyone, I never revealed anyone’s personal information. All I did was call a gal (who has over 4,000 followers, but she also follows over 4,000 accounts, follow-back strategy, anyone?) some nasty names. A gal that calls herself a “Christian conservative” in her bio, who posts shit like this:

Yeah, whatever. Twitter, keep letting people like Richard Spencer and David Duke spread hatred, but ban me for a week for calling this bitch a **** for her racist and utterly wrongheaded worldview.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:01:22am

re: #53 Anymouse 🌹

It’s not a regression to the mean, it’s simply regression all the way down. Idiocracy was apparently not comedy but a waypoint.

Read Super Sad True Love Story by Gary Shteyngart, another dystopian future novel…it describes America after the Currency Collapse, when the only people with access to more than the basics are the ones who own Yuan or Northern Euro-backed currency, when books are no longer published and the masses communicate through videos and emojis.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:05:57am

re: #154 teleskiguy

I’m kind of pissed that Twitter came down so hard on me today. I never threatened anyone, I never revealed anyone’s personal information. All I did was call a gal (who has over 4,000 followers, but she also follows over 5,000 accounts, follow-back strategy, anyone?) some nasty names. A gal that called herself a “Christian conservative” in her bio, who posts shit like this:

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Yeah, whatever. Twitter, keep letting people like Richard Spencer and David Duke spread hatred, but ban me for a week for calling this bitch a **** for her racist and utterly wrongheaded worldview.

This is why unless I see something reportable I almost always just pre-emptively block and move on. The far right has learned how to use Twitter’s automated protocols to protect themselves. It’s almost never worth engaging with them and letting them see your anger is a win for the trolls. You don’t have to agree with Twitter’s response to learn from it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:06:43am

re: #156 goddamnedfrank

thank you for reminding me why I don’t tweet

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:07:46am

re: #155 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Read Super Sad True Love Story by Gary Shteyngart, another dystopian future novel…it describes America after the Currency Collapse, when the only people with access to more than the basics are the ones who own Yuan or Northern Euro-backed currency, when books are no longer published and the masses communicate through videos and emojis.

I’ll have to check that out; the Wiki entry shows that Showtime is developing a series to be produced and directed by Ben Stiller.

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teleskiguy  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:08:40am

re: #156 goddamnedfrank

Believe me, lesson learned. I strayed from Charles’ mantra of “Block Early, Block Often” and now I can’t tweet for a week.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:11:28am

re: #157 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

thank you for reminding me why I don’t tweet

It’s a flawed medium with incredible potential, that sadly will probably never be realized because the people in charge of it are irresponsible libertarian fuckwits.

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William Lewis  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:15:17am

re: #157 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

thank you for reminding me why I don’t tweet

This. Using Twitter at all is a win for the far right.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:16:13am

re: #158 Dr Lizardo

I’ll have to check that out; the Wiki entry shows that Showtime is developing a series to be produced and directed by Ben Stiller.

I can imagine him as the protagonist…it gets truly scary at the end.

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teleskiguy  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:24:29am

Twitter is quite the medium. A number of my hero pro skiers follow me and have engaged me on Twitter.

And the keyboardist of my favorite band reads my tweets too!

He even came through during a suicidal bout.

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JordanRules  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:29:30am

I’ve learned some great things on Twitter. I’ve been introduced to amazing artists and have seen some great displays of support.

I don’t Tweet myself or follow anyone. You can customize your engagement level.

There are many issues that the head honchos aren’t fixing, much like CNN. $$

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:30:07am

re: #161 William Lewis

This. Using Twitter at all is a win for the far right.

Social and political issues are too nuanced to be discussed in memes and 140-character tweets. It is perfect for people whose preconceived notions are already set in stone and just want validation.

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JordanRules  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:31:52am

re: #154 teleskiguy

If you called her the C word you might have been reported by a woman who was agreeing with everything else you said. Just sayin.

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teleskiguy  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:33:17am

re: #166 JordanRules

If you called her the C word you might have been reported by a woman who was agreeing with everything else you said. Just sayin.

Nope. Take a look at her timeline. @kikobrown

She wants a lily white Christian America.

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teleskiguy  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:37:34am

I had to delete some tweets to *not get banned* so this is my last tweet until the evening of 9 August. Not bad, I think.

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JordanRules  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:37:50am

re: #167 teleskiguy

Nope you didn’t call her the C word?
I see she’s trash and doesn’t want me in “her” country and all that.

I mean there’s a 4 letter word you wouldn’t even type out on here so I’m curious LOL

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sagehen  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:39:50am

Okay, this is creepy.

snopes.com

Baron Trump’s Marvelous Underground Journey, and its sequel 1900: or, The Last President, are indeed real books by writer Ingersoll Lockwood. (We haven’t been able to uncover any evidence proving that Donald Trump and his family have access to a time machine, however).

However, some of these connections were slightly exaggerated or outright misstated. For one, the main character is called Baron Trump not because his name is Baron but because he is a baron — in other words, that’s his title.

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JordanRules  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:40:51am

re: #165 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Then you just tweet a link to the in-depth pieces to get more eyes on them.

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Kragar  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:41:52am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:43:51am

re: #171 JordanRules

Then you just tweet a link to the in-depth pieces to get more eyes on them.

you mean to info wars or the like?

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:45:58am

re: #161 William Lewis

This. Using Twitter at all is a win for the far right.

Nah, honestly that’s ridiculously reductive. Black Americans for one have done amazing work with their adoption of Twitter as a cultural force, venue for social commentary and changing the national dialog around race. It’s probably the thing Twitter does most effectively, offer a concise instantaneous and compelling method for individuals to communicate, expand their horizons and get exposed to influences and points of view that persistent de facto racial segregation might otherwise be an obstacle to encountering in the real world.

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teleskiguy  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:45:58am

re: #169 JordanRules

Nope you didn’t call her the C word?
I see she’s trash and doesn’t want me in “her” country and all that.

I mean there’s a 4 letter word you wouldn’t even type out on here so I’m curious LOL

I typed it out. Charles blocks that word on the comment board, with four stars. There’s a number of filters that he’s put in place for LGF comments, including the censoring of the word n*****.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:47:39am

re: #175 teleskiguy

rhymes with bunt

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JordanRules  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:48:15am

re: #173 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I don’t understand. Fox News exists so does that mean none of the other outlets should because oh no we got a horrible perverted one? People use the tool in various ways. Doesn’t mean I shouldn’t be able to get pointed to great pieces I might not have found otherwise.

And I’m not a free speech absolutist BTW.

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teleskiguy  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:48:34am

re: #174 goddamnedfrank

Nah, honestly that’s ridiculously reductive. Black Americans for one have done amazing work with their adoption of Twitter as a cultural force, venue for social commentary and changing the national dialog around race. It’s probably the thing Twitter does most effectively is offer a way for individuals to communicate, expand their horizons and get exposed to influences and points of view that persistent de facto racial segregation might otherwise be an obstacle to encountering in the real world.

You just explained why I love Twitter. So eloquently.

I see *other shit* on Twitter, and it makes me evaluate *my shit* on the regular.

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IngisKahn  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:50:14am

Why attack racism with misogyny?

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JordanRules  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:50:24am

re: #175 teleskiguy

I gotcha. Didn’t know that. Well, it’s interesting that it’s in his list of banned words and kinda highlights how it’s generally perceived as very inflammatory by women in this country.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:50:58am

If using Twitter at all was a win for the far right they wouldn’t have felt the need to invent gab.ai as their racist safe space.

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teleskiguy  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:52:35am

re: #180 JordanRules

LGF is far ahead of hateful racist sexist fuckers on the web.

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JordanRules  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:54:20am

re: #182 teleskiguy

Indeed which is why I love this place.

Another great blog that I used to frequent had a very lax troll policy and it really started to unnerve me.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:06:06am

re: #183 JordanRules

Indeed which is why I love this place.

Another great blog that I used to frequent had a very lax troll policy and it really started to unnerve me.

The first blog I joined back in 1997 was founded on near total free speech principles. Basically like Gab now it was anything goes short of rank illegality. It thrived for a while back then, but it steadily devolved over time to an utter idiocratic cesspool, followed shortly thereafter by total abandonment. While that experience helped me craft my online voice it also rewarded my rhetorical tendency towards viewing argumentation as a kind of Sumo match with words where the entire goal is to push the other person in the direction I have in mind. Which ultimately is neither true dialog nor all that intellectually or emotionally enriching.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:08:55am
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JordanRules  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:11:06am
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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:15:45am

re: #153 goddamnedfrank

LOL, a far right wing lunatic account by the name of PizzaGateLibya thinks this is the kind of thing that will discredit her side. Holy shit these people wtf?

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Thanks to the machinations of the Juice various Soros operatives, fighting has broken out among rival RW factions:

Stock Footage - CAVEMEN FIGHTING

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:18:03am

re: #177 JordanRules

I don’t understand. Fox News exists so does that mean none of the other outlets should because oh no we got a horrible perverted one? People use the tool in various ways. Doesn’t mean I shouldn’t be able to get pointed to great pieces I might not have found otherwise.

And I’m not a free speech absolutist BTW.

Twitter is a tool.

One that I have decided not to use unless I have some pressing need to do so.

Right now, my need to maintain some faith in humanity outweighs any benefits I see in using it…

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teleskiguy  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:18:06am

Approaching three weeks without any tobacco. I should be proud of myself. I started smoking cigarettes when I was 15, and have been a back-and-forth smoker ever since, This is the longest I’ve gone without a cig in years. Tobacco is such a scourge. I want a cigarette, right now! Goddamnit!

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Single-handed sailor  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:18:19am

LOL, The Blaze headline… “Adam Carolla delivers blistering testimony to Congress on removing ‘safe spaces’ from colleges.”

A comedian giving expert testimony to Congress on a subject he’s not qualified to discuss. This country is fucked.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:19:51am

re: #189 teleskiguy

Approaching three weeks without any tobacco. I should be proud of myself. I started smoking cigarettes when I was 15, and have been a back-and-forth smoker ever since, This is the longest I’ve gone without a cig in years. Tobacco is such a scourge. I want a cigarette, right now! Goddamnit!

I finally quit when I found myself thinking, “I don’t want a cigarette right now, but I need one!”

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:21:48am

re: #189 teleskiguy

Approaching three weeks without any tobacco. I should be proud of myself. I started smoking cigarettes when I was 15, and have been a back-and-forth smoker ever since, This is the longest I’ve gone without a cig in years. Tobacco is such a scourge. I want a cigarette, right now! Goddamnit!

Keep it up bro. I’ve had close relatives die of AIDS complications, alcoholic cirrhosis and lung cancer / emphysema and I’d be hard pressed to tell you which was the ugliest way to go.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:22:11am

re: #190 Single-handed sailor

LOL, The Blaze headline… “Adam Carolla delivers blistering testimony to Congress on removing ‘safe spaces’ from colleges.”

A comedian giving expert testimony to Congress on a subject he’s not qualified to discuss. This country is fucked.

This is the sort of pressing issue we need to concentrate on. Because the slippery slope from “college safe spaces” to “full-on Sharia Law in America” is short and steep…

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Amory Blaine  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:24:19am

For me I knew I had it licked at 6 weeks. 3 weeks in you’re still vulnerable.

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Single-handed sailor  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:25:11am

re: #189 teleskiguy

Approaching three weeks without any tobacco. I should be proud of myself. I started smoking cigarettes when I was 15, and have been a back-and-forth smoker ever since, This is the longest I’ve gone without a cig in years. Tobacco is such a scourge. I want a cigarette, right now! Goddamnit!

I’m coming up on a year, after 40 years of smoking. I haven’t quite quit nicotine lozenges yet, the damn things just taste too good and they deliver nicotine fast enough they give a pleasure bump to the brain. Now I cut them in half and I’m starting to cut down the dose.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:26:10am

re: #189 teleskiguy

Approaching three weeks without any tobacco. I should be proud of myself. I started smoking cigarettes when I was 15, and have been a back-and-forth smoker ever since, This is the longest I’ve gone without a cig in years. Tobacco is such a scourge. I want a cigarette, right now! Goddamnit!

I’m at 12 1/2 years. and that was after smoking on and off (way more on than off) for 26-27 years.
I still get urges for a smoke.

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teleskiguy  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:29:58am

re: #192 goddamnedfrank

The biggest reason I’ve stopped smoking tobacco is the health risks. I’m 35 years old, and if I can rid myself of inhaling all that tobacco smoke the better and longer my life may be. Especially in my family (It’s just me and my cousin who take up smoking tobacco) it’s looked down upon if you need to smoke a cigarette every now and again.

Still, I’ve quit tobacco *so many times.* Alcohol too. And I always come back, sooner or later.

This time, with the tobacco, I’m hopeful.

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teleskiguy  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:35:08am

I was at three different businesses today that sold cigarettes, and not once did I think about getting some cigs for myself.

*pats self on back*

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:35:51am

re: #197 teleskiguy

I stopped smoking regularly at around 35. I am still Mr Occasional Smoker, I have a pouch of tobacco at home, but I smoke only once in a while on weekends.

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Amory Blaine  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:39:21am

My TP deal went down the shitter. All 240 rolls cancelled (I think for price error). Fuck, it was .20 a roll.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:44:41am

re: #200 Amory Blaine

My TP deal went down the shitter. All 240 rolls cancelled (I think for price error). Fuck, it was .20 a roll.

I was so looking forward to hearing about your adventures in single ply…

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Amory Blaine  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:47:00am

Song I learned this the past week or so.

Don’t Think Twice It’s All Right - Bob Dylan

The banjo has been real helpful with my fingerpicking.

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teleskiguy  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:50:20am

Facebook Post

Shane McConkey.

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Amory Blaine  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:50:29am

I ain’t sayin you treated me unkind, you could’ve done better but I don’t mind, you just kinda wasted my precious time

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 3, 2017 • 2:02:20am

re: #202 Amory Blaine

Song I learned this the past week or so.

The banjo has been real helpful with my fingerpicking.

I could never fingerpick a guitar to save my life but had no trouble picking it up, so to speak, on the banjo.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 3, 2017 • 2:05:37am

re: #65 goddamnedfrank

This has been bugging me but when I finally figured it out I discovered that Andy Richter had solved it first back in February.

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Played Zach, Victor Maitland’s henchman in Beverly Hills Cop.

I was just thinking that Miller was out of Central Casting for a Russian villain on the next season of 24.

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Ace-o-aces  Aug 3, 2017 • 2:05:44am

re: #33 Charles Johnson

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Timothy Watson  Aug 3, 2017 • 2:07:49am

re: #59 FormerDirtDart

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$500 whole dollars? Bigly. I gave that much to Clinton last year. I’ve donated more to other Democrats, but purposefully kept it below the itemization disclosure threshold.

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 3, 2017 • 2:19:07am

re: #190 Single-handed sailor

LOL, The Blaze headline… “Adam Carolla delivers blistering testimony to Congress on removing ‘safe spaces’ from colleges.”

A comedian giving expert testimony to Congress on a subject he’s not qualified to discuss. This country is fucked.

About six years ago I started listening to podcasts during running or when driving and his was one of the first I found. He could be funny at times, but the amount of time he spent ranting about how he worked his ass off and made his own way starting as a ditch digger in construction and couldn’t go to college, blah blah became intolerable after awhile. I absolutely agree that not everyone needs to go to college, and I applaud him for his hard work, but he clearly has some kind of resentment issues about higher education that go beyond the supposed “safe spaces” he was (supposedly) testifying about. And of course, this is the hot topic Glenn Beck and Tucker Carlson turn to when they’ve run out of other deflection material. Anyway, I haven’t listened to AC in five years or so.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 3, 2017 • 2:34:45am

re: #209 Barefoot Grin

I absolutely agree that not everyone needs to go to college, and I applaud him for his hard work, but he clearly has some kind of resentment issues about higher education that go beyond the supposed “safe spaces” he was (supposedly) testifying about

It is assumed that most people attending university are either blacks attending on a government affirmative action scholarship or liberal snowflakes doing it on daddy’s money…

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fern01  Aug 3, 2017 • 2:36:56am

re: #189 teleskiguy

Approaching three weeks without any tobacco. I should be proud of myself. I started smoking cigarettes when I was 15, and have been a back-and-forth smoker ever since, This is the longest I’ve gone without a cig in years. Tobacco is such a scourge. I want a cigarette, right now! Goddamnit!

I gave up 12 years ago (also started around 15 - but I was old when I stopped) and yesterday morning in the midst of a family crisis, I walked around saying “if only I could have a cigarette I could cope with this”. 12 years & I still have the craving.

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 3, 2017 • 2:41:57am

re: #210 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is assumed that most people attending university are either blacks attending on a government affirmative action scholarship or liberal snowflakes doing it on daddy’s money…

That sums it up pretty well right now.

I’ve been up since 3AM worrying about the usual stuff. I think I’m going to go back to bed. Be back in a scaramucci.

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steve_davis  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:08:55am

re: #102 Kragar

Dropped 1 800kt over where I worked, got 150k dead, 600k casualties.

Where I work would get a lot more than 1 800kt pointed at it.

isn’t anything near me worth nuking. I dropped one on Greenville which I’m pretty sure took out Bob Jones. I tried to keep Furman out of the worst of the gamma.

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steve_davis  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:13:57am

re: #116 Anymouse 🌹

Worth a read, to see what churches are up to with the administration:

(More at Right Wing Watch)
rightwingwatch.org

shofar blowing? Is that a category on pornhub?

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MsJ  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:03:39am

re: #76 Unshaken Defiance

Max Boot came to this?!

Yeah, ok.

Trump, to be sure, has agreed to sign a bill imposing further sanctions on Russia but only because he had no choice — it passed both houses by veto-proof margins. The legislation removes presidential discretion to lift sanctions, an extraordinary repudiation that indicates how worried lawmakers of both parties are about this president’s fondness for Russia’s dictator. Trump dragged his feet as much as possible and tried to water down the legislation, but contrary to White House claims, he did not manage to substantially alter the bill. Putin went ahead with his retaliation once the Senate and the House rejected administration entreaties to go easy on Russia.

Except there are a bunch of elected Republicans who love them some Putin.

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MsJ  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:05:02am

re: #77 FormerDirtDart

re: the Daily News cover.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:26:16am
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Shropshire Slasher  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:32:07am
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Lupin  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:39:12am

I heard that Jared and Bannon seek to privatize the military by handing Afghanistan to Blackwater. There’s no way that can go wrnog.

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Lupin  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:43:05am

While NATO leaders rightly dismiss Pence, the VEEP’s visit to the Baltics mightily angers Russia.

Tass (Russian News agency)

We’ve turned from paper tiger to drunken tiger. No clear policies, no diplomacy. Chaos looms.

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:47:58am

Former Sputnik reporter says he was asked to push Rich murder conspiracy in much the same way WH was collaborating with Fox.

“It’s really telling that the White House is pushing the same narrative as a state-run Russian propaganda outlet,” Feinberg said.

Hmmmmm….

yahoo.com

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dangerman  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:48:39am

today’s thought / question

healthcare - couldnt get 50 votes
sanctions - overwhelming approval, both houses
immigration - a nonstarter (i predict)

these things the (p)resident wants are not attractive, let alone acceptable to all/enough R’s

“cause it will hurt their chances with re-election” is shorthand

isnt the underlying reason because theyre really bad policy or will be economically devastating?

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darthstar  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:52:09am
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darthstar  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:54:32am
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MsJ  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:54:33am

re: #140 fern01

So I was listening to a pundit and managed to catch a small (very small) part of Sarah H Sanders talking about the President’s lies.

I wonder how any of these people can sleep at night. I’ve had one job where my boss wanted me to lie to clients. I didn’t get any sleep for weeks & then I resigned. Despite being a complete financial disaster, I was able to sleep.

Coz they be lying for Jesus! Hallelujah! And praise their god - money, and their king, Trump. (spit)

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MsJ  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:56:22am

re: #149 goddamnedfrank

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Decatur Deb  Aug 3, 2017 • 5:02:54am

re: #200 Amory Blaine

My TP deal went down the shitter. All 240 rolls cancelled (I think for price error). Fuck, it was .20 a roll.

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Dude, you can’t corner the market of a ceramic oval.

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 3, 2017 • 5:05:35am

re: #227 Decatur Deb

Dude, you can’t corner the market of a ceramic oval.

“Brother, can you spare a square?”

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Decatur Deb  Aug 3, 2017 • 5:08:19am

re: #219 Lupin

I heard that Jared and Bannon seek to privatize the military by handing Afghanistan to Blackwater. There’s no way that can go wrnog.

Cost-plus no-bid military contracts are wonderful, except for the expense of all those forklifts to move the money.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 3, 2017 • 5:09:42am

re: #229 Decatur Deb

Cost-plus no-bid military contracts are wonderful, except for the expense of all those forklifts to move the money.

The very spirit of modern capitalism…

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Decatur Deb  Aug 3, 2017 • 5:11:15am

re: #230 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The very spirit of modern capitalism…

…With a long history going back to antiquity via the East India companies.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 3, 2017 • 5:14:44am

re: #228 Barefoot Grin

“Brother, can you spare a square?”

Seinfeld - S05E12 - The Stall - Can’t spare a square.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 3, 2017 • 5:14:54am

re: #231 Decatur Deb

…With a long history going back to antiquity via the East India companies.

The very thing that Adam Smith was arguing against in The Wealth of Nations: the state-sponsored monopoly.

They love them some “Invisible Hand” but tend to overlook his quote: “Markets are there to serve the people, people are not there to serve the markets”.

And anybody who associates Adam Smith with laissez-faire is talking out his/her ass, he never used the term, and was in favor of a robust role for government to make sure that markets work for the benefit of both producers and consumers.

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darthstar  Aug 3, 2017 • 5:16:03am

re: #200 Amory Blaine

My TP deal went down the shitter. All 240 rolls cancelled (I think for price error). Fuck, it was .20 a roll.

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It just clogs up the bidet anyway.

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dangerman  Aug 3, 2017 • 5:21:11am

re: #197 teleskiguy

The biggest reason I’ve stopped smoking tobacco is the health risks. I’m 35 years old, and if I can rid myself of inhaling all that tobacco smoke the better and longer my life may be. Especially in my family (It’s just me and my cousin who take up smoking tobacco) it’s looked down upon if you need to smoke a cigarette every now and again.

Still, I’ve quit tobacco *so many times.* Alcohol too. And I always come back, sooner or later.

This time, with the tobacco, I’m hopeful.

find a hobby to distract you and take up that time

skiing maybe (seasons yes, i know i know….)

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wheat-dogg  Aug 3, 2017 • 5:21:48am

re: #224 darthstar

On the Chinese side, the government in Beijing is cracking down on Chinese foreign investments, mostly by big firms like AnBang (owner of the Waldorf-Astoria now) and HNA (which has financed Trump and Kushner projects). It’s all about limiting capital flight. Beijing wants the big firms to keep their billions inside China.

AFAIK there are no such controls on individual investors, like the ones being wooed by Kushner’s firm, but likely these people are using offshore shell companies to move their millions anyway. Individuals are limited to foreign exchanges of $50,000 a year, including international bank wires.

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MsJ  Aug 3, 2017 • 5:25:35am
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MsJ  Aug 3, 2017 • 5:27:02am

This one is better. :-)

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Decatur Deb  Aug 3, 2017 • 5:30:02am

re: #234 darthstar

It just clogs up the bidet anyway.

The Tales of My Weird Childhood include a 5-year stint using Army WWII surplus toilet paper. Someone at the military school had purchased a mound of the stuff that was at least 20X40X6 ft. It was appropriately khaki colored, tightly wound into packs about the size of a candy bar. Each toilet stall had a little wooden box full of it, refreshed as needed by the kid who had that restroom for his assigned chores.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 3, 2017 • 5:32:16am

re: #238 MsJ

Our relationship with Russia is at an all-time & very dangerous low. You can thank Congress, the same people that can’t even give us deprive millions of HCare!

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darthstar  Aug 3, 2017 • 5:33:13am

This tweet from John Roberts came 8 minutes before Trump’s Russia tweet.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 3, 2017 • 5:34:41am

re: #239 Decatur Deb

Good God, there’s photos of the stuff online. The InterTubes are powerful.

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MsJ  Aug 3, 2017 • 5:37:36am

Uhm…

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Timothy Watson  Aug 3, 2017 • 5:44:26am

re: #243 MsJ

Uhm…

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Chris’s editor finally tell him he had to write something critical of Trump/GOP?

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dangerman  Aug 3, 2017 • 5:48:01am

re: #243 MsJ

Uhm…

[Embedded content]Why Trump lying about phone calls with Mexico and the Boy Scouts matters. A lot.cnn.com

they matter because he does it without thinking at all. in a sense “naturally”

he doesnt consider what ramifications there could be of being caught in a lie (that there havent been many overt ramifications is a different point - his credibility/trustworthiness is nil)

worst is he doesnt learn - he hasnt figured out how easily he has been caught - like over 800 times

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MsJ  Aug 3, 2017 • 5:48:31am

re: #244 Timothy Watson

Chris’s editor finally tell him he had to write something critical of Trump/GOP?

If you’re gonna go, go big. And he did.

He must have figured out that Ivanka just isn’t worth it.

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makeitstop  Aug 3, 2017 • 5:53:13am

re: #244 Timothy Watson

Chris’s editor finally tell him he had to write something critical of Trump/GOP?

It must have hurt his heart to write that, the poor thing…
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jeffreyw  Aug 3, 2017 • 5:53:58am

Imgur


Yard cows! Good morning!

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darthstar  Aug 3, 2017 • 5:54:45am
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Timothy Watson  Aug 3, 2017 • 5:58:42am

re: #249 darthstar

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How long until Trump pulls support for Cotton’s immigration bill?

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MsJ  Aug 3, 2017 • 6:04:43am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 3, 2017 • 6:10:46am

re: #251 MsJ

Ford was a dork but not a homophobic fundamentalist theocrat.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 3, 2017 • 6:13:37am

re: #252 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Ford was a dork but not a homophobic fundamentalist theocrat.

Pence needs to be Spiro Agnew.

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dangerman  Aug 3, 2017 • 6:14:28am

re: #251 MsJ

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it would be lost on him if he read it

credibility?
study?
c’mon

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Timothy Watson  Aug 3, 2017 • 6:14:45am

re: #252 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Ford was a dork but not a homophobic fundamentalist theocrat.

And Ford’s “Mom” (to use Pence’s word for his wife) was a huge feminist.

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dangerman  Aug 3, 2017 • 6:16:14am

re: #238 MsJ

This one is better. :-)

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the buck stops….not here

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MsJ  Aug 3, 2017 • 6:16:48am

re: #254 dangerman

it would be lost on him if he read it

credibility?
study?
c’mon

I know. It needs to be from ChristianityTodayNowByForceIfNecessary. com for him to read it. Maybe Mother will read it to him.

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makeitstop  Aug 3, 2017 • 6:19:49am

re: #253 Decatur Deb

Pence needs to be Spiro Agnew.

Right. Get him out first.

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Belafon  Aug 3, 2017 • 6:22:06am

re: #126 teleskiguy

re: #133 JordanRules

What say you, Darth?

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Belafon  Aug 3, 2017 • 6:22:42am

re: #210 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is assumed that most people attending university are either blacks attending on a government affirmative action scholarship or liberal snowflakes doing it on daddy’s money…

Who knew Kushner was a liberal snowflake?

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jeffreyw  Aug 3, 2017 • 6:22:54am

re: #200 Amory Blaine

We once visited a Costco outlet and bought a bale sized package of toilet paper. As we wheeled the cart to the checkout, a small boy tugged on his mama’s shirt and pointed to us, saying “they must poop a lot”.

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MsJ  Aug 3, 2017 • 6:23:16am

Christ, this article.

But in his first White House call with Mexico’s president, Trump described his vow to charge Mexico as a growing political problem, pressuring the Mexican leader to stop saying publicly that his government would never pay.

“You cannot say that to the press,” Trump said repeatedly, according to a transcript of the Jan. 27 call obtained by The Washington Post. Trump made clear that he realized the funding would have to come from other sources but threatened to cut off contact if Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto continued to make defiant statements.

The funding “will work out in the formula somehow,” Trump said, adding later that “it will come out in the wash, and that is okay.” But “if you are going to say that Mexico is not going to pay for the wall, then I do not want to meet with you guys anymore because I cannot live with that.”

He described the wall as “the least important thing we are talking about, but politically this might be the most important.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 3, 2017 • 6:25:26am

re: #262 MsJ

Christ, this article.

He wants to negotiate some sort of agreement that will allow him to claim (plausibly enough to convince his supporters, which will not take much) that Mexico is somehow “paying” for The Wall.

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makeitstop  Aug 3, 2017 • 6:29:52am

Trump’s getting called out for being Putin’s bitch, this time by the LA times.

Putin’s action is a sign that he has given up hope that the Trump administration will lift sanctions on Russians and otherwise conciliate the Kremlin, as Michael Flynn, who would later be named and then deposed as national security advisor, apparently hinted to the Russian ambassador Sergei Kislyak before the inauguration. U.S.-Russia relations, far from improving as Trump had promised, are in the depths of an icy freeze that is reviving talk of a new Cold War.

So far, Trump hasn’t conceded that dismal reality. His silence suggests he remains wedded to the fantasy that Putin is an admirable leader and a potential American ally in Syria and beyond, and his long-standing affection for the Russian dictator seems to have only grown stronger after the two men spent hours bonding with one another in Hamburg.

Just imagine if Rosie O’Donnell, “Crooked Hillary,” the “failing New York Times” or one of the president’s other supposed enemies had insulted him, however slightly. He would surely have gone ballistic on Twitter by now. But there is not a word about Russia or Putin in Trump’s Twitter feed, nor in his public comments, save for his ritualistic (and increasingly unconvincing) denials of any collusion between his campaign and Russia in the election.

The only official U.S. response to Putin’s act was a perfunctory State Department statement saying the expulsion was “regrettable and uncalled for.” Vice President Mike Pence is talking tough on Russia while in Estonia, but Trump continues his streak of never speaking ill of Putin, a streak all the more remarkable given how many other people Trump routinely disparages. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, a recipient of the Order of Friendship from Putin, also has been thunderously silent about this unwarranted affront to the department he leads.

Trump, to be sure, has agreed to sign a bill imposing further sanctions on Russia but only because he had no choice — it passed both houses by veto-proof margins. The legislation removes presidential discretion to lift sanctions, an extraordinary repudiation that indicates how worried lawmakers of both parties are about this president’s fondness for Russia’s dictator. Trump dragged his feet as much as possible and tried to water down the legislation, but contrary to White House claims, he did not manage to substantially alter the bill. Putin went ahead with his retaliation once the Senate and the House rejected administration entreaties to go easy on Russia.

Drumbeat. This will start to permeate every aspect of this terrible presidency, and before long even those who aren’t paying close attention will be asking why Trump isn’t standing up to Russia.

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darthstar  Aug 3, 2017 • 6:31:13am

re: #259 Belafon

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What say you, Darth?

She still won the primary. Still lost the general. Won’t buy into the continued hate. Don’t see any point in it. Doesn’t mean Bernie’s shit doesn’t stink.

Also, I like Kamala Harris. Voted for her for Senate. Think she’s got Presidential potential.

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MsJ  Aug 3, 2017 • 6:32:44am

re: #263 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He wants to negotiate some sort of agreement that will allow him to claim (plausibly enough to convince his supporters, which will not take much) that Mexico is somehow “paying” for The Wall.

All smoke and mirrors.

That entire article is stunning. I could quote almost the entire thing, there’s that much that is just too…too everything.

God, we are so fucked.

I wonder what NH thinks of this:

“We have a massive drug problem where kids are becoming addicted to drugs because the drugs are being sold for less money than candy,” Trump said. “I won New Hampshire because New Hampshire is a drug-infested den.”

And this during his talk with Turnbull (our supposed strongest ally):

“This is going to kill me,” he said to Turnbull. “I am the world’s greatest person that does not want to let people into the country. And now I am agreeing to take 2,000 people.”

Fucking vomitous.

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makeitstop  Aug 3, 2017 • 6:35:33am

Man, I really hate Sean Hannity.

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ObserverArt  Aug 3, 2017 • 6:35:36am

re: #244 Timothy Watson

Chris’s editor finally tell him he had to write something critical of Trump/GOP?

I think he got a little critical of Trump in something he wrote a week or so ago. Trump is making it real hard for Cillizza to cover for him. That is an accomplishment on Trump’s behalf.

But after he writes something critical of Trump, he just pulls out his 64 gig thumbdrive where he has all of his articles about Hillary’s stored in rich text. He reads a couple of them and he is right again.

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lawhawk  Aug 3, 2017 • 6:36:56am

re: #262 MsJ

All Trump does is lie and bully and project.

He’s an awful businessman and he doesn’t know how to negotiate for shit. He couldn’t negotiate his way out of a paper bag.

He promised everyone that Mexico would pay for the wall, and the Mexican government didn’t just say no. They said Fuck No. That’s not stopping Trump from pushing his nonsense and the House continues to give him cover all while making taxpayers cough up the money to pay for the wall.

Once again, Trump supporters are getting screwed by Trump and they don’t know or care.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 3, 2017 • 6:40:03am

re: #269 lawhawk

Once again, Trump supporters are getting screwed by Trump and they don’t know or care.

They voted for the anti-politician who would fulfill the role of their collective middle finger flipped at Washington and the Powers That Be.

In that sense, Trump is still doing the job they elected him for.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 3, 2017 • 6:40:44am

re: #266 MsJ

“We have a massive drug problem where kids are becoming addicted to drugs because the drugs are being sold for less money than candy,” Trump said. “I won New Hampshire because New Hampshire is a drug-infested den.”

So senile he thinks he won New Hampshire.

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ObserverArt  Aug 3, 2017 • 6:42:00am

re: #251 MsJ

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Interesting that someone is already writing contingencies for Pence to deal with Trump leaving office.

Tick-tock, tick-tock.

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Renaissance_Man  Aug 3, 2017 • 6:43:06am

re: #246 MsJ

If you’re gonna go, go big. And he did.

He must have figured out that Ivanka just isn’t worth it.

That article doesn’t seem like a big criticism at all. I realise that coming from Chris Cilizza even a negative comment about Trump’s tie would be a huge deviation from the norm, but saying that he lies a lot and it should matter is pretty milquetoast. The whole world has known for years that he lies all the time. He fucking called reporters and pretended to be his own publicist to lie about women, for fuck’s sake. Let me know when you think it’s a bigger deal than her emails, Chris.

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ObserverArt  Aug 3, 2017 • 6:50:17am

re: #262 MsJ

Christ, this article.

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A perfect example of a snivelling fool. And he is our president.

So, that is great negotiation from the great negotiator. Pffft.

“I know I was wrong…but you can’t make me look bad man….whaaaaaaaa!”

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lawhawk  Aug 3, 2017 • 6:51:57am

This deal? Trump’s actions make him look terrible because he is objectively terrible.

He’s absolutely incompetent and doesn’t know what he’s doing. He surrounded himself with people just as incompetent as he is and he chose his inner circle based on loyalty, not competence. The most competent thing anyone in his inner circle has proposed was the Mooch’s ideas to unify and clarify the communications department. Mooch never got to see that work done because he was fired before he even started the job.

Kelly’s now in the business of herding cats and trying to impose some kind of control/discipline on the WH, but given that Trump is a category 5 shit storm of epic proportions, Kelly will fail. He will be undermined by Trump’s inner circle whiz kids of reactionary ignorance: Bannon, Miller, Kushner, and Ivanka. Yeah, that’s a winning combination.

None of these people know what they’re doing - other than sabotaging functioning government, and when there’s multiple reports saying that Trump needs constant coverage to make sure he doesn’t do something rash, that’s a cry for 25th Amendment action - not to further enable his administration as hobbled as it is.

Trump is the source of all these problems. Rearranging the deck chairs by bringing in a new captain to help the Trumptanic isn’t going to stop it from sinking.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 3, 2017 • 6:52:16am

re: #273 Renaissance_Man

He fucking called reporters and pretended to be his own publicist to lie about women, for fuck’s sake.

That should be easy to figure out.

“Hi, this is Donald Trump’s publicist. Say, did you hear he’s stepping out with __________ ______________ and she’s been running around town, saying ‘Donald Trump has the biggest, the HUGEST schlong! He could be in porn - he makes John Holmes look average!!’ so yeah, it’s the biggest dong in history and you might wanna put that in Page Six.”

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lawhawk  Aug 3, 2017 • 6:53:21am

Speaking of Miller, this fucker’s anti-Semitic bullshit needs to be called out on top of all his other bigoted/xenophobic positions:

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lawhawk  Aug 3, 2017 • 6:54:51am
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ObserverArt  Aug 3, 2017 • 6:55:42am

re: #265 darthstar

She still won the primary. Still lost the general. Won’t buy into the continued hate. Don’t see any point in it. Doesn’t mean Bernie’s shit doesn’t stink.

Also, I like Kamala Harris. Voted for her for Senate. Think she’s got Presidential potential.

Why do you use the word hate?

The big thing and what is most troubling about Sanders; He could put a stop to this, but he doesn’t. He stirs it up.

I hate that. Is that hate the way you see it?

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makeitstop  Aug 3, 2017 • 6:56:00am

re: #275 lawhawk

He’s absolutely incompetent and doesn’t know what he’s doing. He surrounded himself with people just as incompetent as he is and he chose his inner circle based on loyalty, not competence.

A tweet I saw yesterday summed it up perfectly - ‘This whole administration is full of extremely mediocre people who all think they’re geniuses.’

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MsJ  Aug 3, 2017 • 6:56:46am

re: #269 lawhawk

All Trump does is lie and bully and project.

He’s an awful businessman and he doesn’t know how to negotiate for shit. He couldn’t negotiate his way out of a paper bag.

He promised everyone that Mexico would pay for the wall, and the Mexican government didn’t just say no. They said Fuck No. That’s not stopping Trump from pushing his nonsense and the House continues to give him cover all while making taxpayers cough up the money to pay for the wall.

Once again, Trump supporters are getting screwed by Trump and they don’t know or care.

Trump’s idea of negotiating is to bully until he gets his way. This may have worked with threats of non-payment and lawsuits against us proles, but it certainly won’t work against foreign leaders, for goodness sake.

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makeitstop  Aug 3, 2017 • 6:58:54am

re: #279 ObserverArt

Why do you use the word hate?

The big thing and what is most troubling about Sanders. He could put a stop to this, but he doesn’t. He stirs it up.

I hate that. Is that hate the way you see it?

I’m not even gonna get started on this today, but I will say that Bernie should call his fucking dogs off, and pronto.

They are trying to systematically discredit the best that the Democrats have. He should tell them to step the fuck off - if he even has any control over his own sycophants.

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MsJ  Aug 3, 2017 • 7:00:22am

re: #273 Renaissance_Man

That article doesn’t seem like a big criticism at all. I realise that coming from Chris Cilizza even a negative comment about Trump’s tie would be a huge deviation from the norm, but saying that he lies a lot and it should matter is pretty milquetoast. The whole world has known for years that he lies all the time. He fucking called reporters and pretended to be his own publicist to lie about women, for fuck’s sake. Let me know when you think it’s a bigger deal than her emails, Chris.

I have to disagree. The headline screaming LYING seems like a big step to me.

I agree with you on the rest, though.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 3, 2017 • 7:06:31am
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Timothy Watson  Aug 3, 2017 • 7:07:38am

re: #284 FormerDirtDart

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McCain and Graham will be very concerned.

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Belafon  Aug 3, 2017 • 7:08:08am

re: #265 darthstar

She still won the primary. Still lost the general. Won’t buy into the continued hate. Don’t see any point in it. Doesn’t mean Bernie’s shit doesn’t stink.

Also, I like Kamala Harris. Voted for her for Senate. Think she’s got Presidential potential.

Who, Harris? She didn’t lose in the general.

Note, I didn’t bring up Clinton. I brought up the fact that there are people going after Democrats in a very systematic manner.

As for Sanders, he’s the one who keeps injecting himself into the 2020 run.

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Renaissance_Man  Aug 3, 2017 • 7:11:36am

re: #276 Dr Lizardo

That should be easy to figure out.

“Hi, this is Donald Trump’s publicist. Say, did you hear he’s stepping out with __________ ______________ and she’s been running around town, saying ‘Donald Trump has the biggest, the HUGEST schlong! He could be in porn - he makes John Holmes look average!!’ so yeah, it’s the biggest dong in history and you might wanna put that in Page Six.”

That quote is almost verbatim.

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lawhawk  Aug 3, 2017 • 7:19:34am
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ObserverArt  Aug 3, 2017 • 7:24:42am

re: #282 makeitstop

I’m not even gonna get started on this today, but I will say that Bernie should call his fucking dogs off, and pronto.

They are trying to systematically discredit the best that the Democrats have. He should tell them to step the fuck off - if he even has any control over his own sycophants.

I don’t want to get into it either. I edited out a lot of my comment to go easy on Darth.

I just hope Darth realizes this posturing from the Bernie supporters could very easily muck up another election.

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lawhawk  Aug 3, 2017 • 7:24:51am

re: #284 FormerDirtDart

Trump’s not entirely wrong here on the constitutionality of what the sanctions bill contains. Congress is infringing on the power of the Executive (that pesky separation of powers thing). That they may have good cause to do so doesn’t mean they can ignore the Constitution. Then again, Trump can’t and shouldn’t ignore it either, and he signed it into law despite his clear statement that it was unconstitutional. That’s dereliction of duty on his part too. It is his obligation to veto the bill on those grounds, not to sign it and then bitch in a signing statement that it wasn’t constitutional.

Slate had a piece about this situation this morning.

Of course, the politics of vetoing a bill would have showed Trump’s hand too and he would have been labeled a Russia sympathizer and Putin puppet by even members of the GOP.

Trump’s weakness as an Executive continues to be exposed daily, and Congress is going to expand into the powers of the Executive and Trump is powerless to stop because he is so awful at what he’s doing.

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lawhawk  Aug 3, 2017 • 7:25:34am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 3, 2017 • 7:27:03am

re: #290 lawhawk

Trump’s weakness as an Executive continues to be exposed daily, and Congress is going to expand into the powers of the Executive and Trump is powerless to stop because he is so awful at what he’s doing.

Congress is clearly derelict in its duty for not impeaching Trump for violations of emoluments clause and obstruction of justice.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 3, 2017 • 7:28:54am

re: #290 lawhawk

Trump’s not entirely wrong here on the constitutionality of what the sanctions bill contains. Congress is infringing on the power of the Executive (that pesky separation of powers thing). That they may have good cause to do so doesn’t mean they can ignore the Constitution.

But Congress has the enumerated power to regulate commerce with foreign nations.

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 3, 2017 • 7:34:01am

re: #292 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I may be wrong but I think Congress may be looking for more examples to make it a better case.

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lawhawk  Aug 3, 2017 • 7:34:40am

Goes to Mueller’s case as well as the FBI cases that are floating out there as well.

Trump and his entire cabal of cronies have stepped in it and Trump’s still all like he has done nothing wrong.

All he does is lie, and those lies are catching up to him on the national and international stage. He lied to his supporters to win over the bigot brigade by pushing for a wall that Mexico will never pay for. He lies about everything, and the only ones he seems to avoid attacking are the ones who are vested in seeing the US fail: Putin’s Russia.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 3, 2017 • 7:34:57am

This thread and replies are an interesting read

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Belafon  Aug 3, 2017 • 7:40:56am

re: #296 FormerDirtDart

This thread and replies are an interesting read

Read the first article. Alex Jones could have written it if you put Cruz, Rubio, and Kasich in place of the three mentioned.

I’m curious if Cooper is worried about Sanders not releasing his tax returns, or the loan his wife took out that has damaged the college she worked for.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 3, 2017 • 7:47:06am

re: #294 PhillyPretzel

I may be wrong but I think Congress may be looking for more examples to make it a better case.

I wish you were wrong, but I think that Congress is fully aware but simply unwilling to act.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 3, 2017 • 7:50:57am
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Belafon  Aug 3, 2017 • 7:52:22am

re: #299 FormerDirtDart

“We’ve got nothing because the president has burned all of the old bridges, but I can’t say that out loud.”

Edited

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Timothy Watson  Aug 3, 2017 • 7:55:08am

re: #299 FormerDirtDart

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Hungarian Nazis are the dumbest of Nazis.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 3, 2017 • 7:55:29am
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Decatur Deb  Aug 3, 2017 • 7:58:16am

re: #296 FormerDirtDart

This thread and replies are an interesting read

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The comments are better than I feared, but still show a lot of blue-on-blue sniping. If we don’t knock that shit off in the next couple months the mofos will be lying about the size of his 2021 inauguration.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 3, 2017 • 7:59:06am

re: #301 Timothy Watson

Hungarian Nazis are the dumbest of Nazis.

There were Hungarian fascists before WW2…

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Decatur Deb  Aug 3, 2017 • 8:00:33am

re: #304 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There were Hungarian fascists before WW2…

There were American home-grown fascists before WWII.

en.wikipedia.org

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Aug 3, 2017 • 8:00:42am

re: #155 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Dystopian future [where] …. and the masses communicate through videos and emojis.

How is this different than the way 90% of the world communicates now?
/(I think?)

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 3, 2017 • 8:00:54am

re: #271 Timothy Watson

So senile he thinks he won New Hampshire.

My guess is he’s subtracted the “thousands of out-of-state voters bussed in” to make the claim in his addled brain.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 3, 2017 • 8:02:32am

re: #305 Decatur Deb

There were American home-grown fascists before WWII.

en.wikipedia.org

Yes, we often overlook how widespread the movement was all over the world…

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Belafon  Aug 3, 2017 • 8:03:38am

re: #155 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Read Super Sad True Love Story by Gary Shteyngart, another dystopian future novel…it describes America after the Currency Collapse, when the only people with access to more than the basics are the ones who own Yuan or Northern Euro-backed currency, when books are no longer published and the masses communicate through videos and emojis.

Sounds like an updated Fahrenheit 451. Also sounds like the same problem we worry about every generation.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 3, 2017 • 8:05:17am

re: #308 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Yes, we often overlook how widespread the movement was all over the world…

Then we had the excuse of real life-threatening want and a crashed economy. What Trump has discovered is how to appeal to fascist impulses in an era of relative prosperity.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 3, 2017 • 8:05:17am

re: #304 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There were Hungarian fascists before WW2…

Oh, I know. Was it Hungary or Romania where Germany got most of its oil?

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 3, 2017 • 8:07:21am

re: #299 FormerDirtDart

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As I mentioned the other day, one of the Chinese government’s state-run papers recently claimed that Sino-NK relations compare now with Sino-Soviet relations in the late 1960s when they fought actual border battles. Trump could use an expert or two.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 3, 2017 • 8:07:44am

re: #311 Timothy Watson

Oh, I know. Was it Hungary or Romania where Germany got most of its oil?

Romania - Ploiești oil fields.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 3, 2017 • 8:08:42am

re: #311 Timothy Watson

Oh, I know. Was it Hungary or Romania where Germany got most of its oil?

Don’t have actual stats, but the Ploesti raids give the impression it was Romania. Seizing those fields distracted one of the German advances and set them up for Stalingrad.

Edit: Scratch the reference to the diversion, that was the attempt to seize the Baku oilfields.

en.wikipedia.org

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 3, 2017 • 8:08:53am

re: #309 Belafon

Sounds like an updated Fahrenheit 451. Also sounds like the same problem we worry about every generation.

In the novel, books have not been banned, they have just died out as a medium of communication…everybody communicates using their Appärät

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 3, 2017 • 8:09:24am

re: #311 Timothy Watson

Oh, I know. Was it Hungary or Romania where Germany got most of its oil?

Romania. Also fascist.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 3, 2017 • 8:09:48am

re: #315 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Books have not been banned, they have just died out as a medium of communication…

Making the censor’s task much easier in the digital age.

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freetoken  Aug 3, 2017 • 8:11:23am

re: #317 Decatur Deb

Making the censor’s task much easier in the digital age.

… thepiratebay raises their hand…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 3, 2017 • 8:11:54am

re: #307 Barefoot Grin

My guess is he’s subtracted the “thousands of out-of-state voters bussed in” to make the claim in his addled brain.

It’s the NH primary…he has to go back that far in time to find a win.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 3, 2017 • 8:12:45am
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dangerman  Aug 3, 2017 • 8:13:06am

at the dentist
cant talk. sigh

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 3, 2017 • 8:16:04am

re: #320 FormerDirtDart

The fire rises.

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 3, 2017 • 8:16:52am

Interesting interview on WGBH (I think it was) with one of the SI writers of the Trump golf story this morning. He said his co-writer has actually played with both Trump and Mueller and that their approaches to the game as exactly as you would expect: Trump won’t shut up about his courses, his best rounds, expects ‘gimmes’ and instant mulligans; Mueller is all business, plays quietly and exactly by the book, won’t even take a 1’ gimme….

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 3, 2017 • 8:16:59am

They’re launching a rocket from the middle of a road
Camden Spaceport, Georgia

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ObserverArt  Aug 3, 2017 • 8:19:09am

re: #299 FormerDirtDart

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What did we do to deserve Gorka talking about anything related to American politics?

This has all got to be karma payback for something.

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Belafon  Aug 3, 2017 • 8:19:29am

re: #315 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

In the novel, books have not been banned, they have just died out as a medium of communication…everybody communicates using their Appärät

Interesting, though I don’t normally communicate with people around me in book form.:) I do wonder, though. Are they defining “publish” as being printed on paper, or do eBook formats count as well.

I’ve also put in quite a lot of thought about representing information (mostly because, as a software engineer, I think of problems that would be better represented in more than one dimension). We are very linear in our thinking currently, which might be as much influenced by books as they are influenced by our character representation. What if we needed to represent information in two or more dimensions, such as with pictures or models, and what if we could convey the same information to everyone that way? Why would books as we know them need to stay around?

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makeitstop  Aug 3, 2017 • 8:19:37am

Completely OT - I wonder how Happy and his brother are doing on their trip? They’re probably having the time of their lives. Hope so, anyway.

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 3, 2017 • 8:19:38am

re: #324 FormerDirtDart

I hope it goes off as planned but it is going to leave a mark.

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lawhawk  Aug 3, 2017 • 8:20:34am

re: #325 ObserverArt

What did we do to deserve Gorka talking about anything related to American politics?

This has all got to be karma payback for something.

It’s Obama’s fault. /isn’t it always?

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freetoken  Aug 3, 2017 • 8:20:57am

re: #320 FormerDirtDart

The problem for the GOP congressmen from the not totally-dominated-by-religious-right districts is that they have agendas usually on economic/corporate lines that will lead them to conflict with Trump’s ego, or they are from the hawk-wing of the old right and find Trump a total disaster when it comes to anything that has something to do with any other country.

Trump’s a catch-22 of their own making.

Maybe the midterm election can see a Democratic party victory in Congress, but that still gives us a year and half window for Trump to cause some very bad problems.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 3, 2017 • 8:21:50am

re: #328 PhillyPretzel

I hope it goes off as planned but it is going to leave a mark.

I’m watching it, it really looks like the most “Georgia” thing ever

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makeitstop  Aug 3, 2017 • 8:22:08am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 3, 2017 • 8:22:20am

re: #326 Belafon

Interesting, though I don’t normally communicate with people around me in book form.:)

I meant as a means of communicating ideas…but that is no longer an issue as we only communicate trends, memes and rumors.

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makeitstop  Aug 3, 2017 • 8:24:10am

Another crack in the congressional wall of support.

Trump is going to end up completely on his own. Not good for him, pretty good for us.

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Belafon  Aug 3, 2017 • 8:24:19am

re: #333 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I meant as a means of communicating ideas…but that is no longer an issue as we only communicate trends, memes and rumors.

I know. That’s why I included the :). I hoped I was implying a joke.

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freetoken  Aug 3, 2017 • 8:27:18am

Let’s say you’re a Republican in Congress, and you are from a rural district and thus you’ve won your seat because of the Farm Bureau and Monsanto, and thus your primary interest is in ag exports. You’ve also grown up on the teachings of war hawks and Reagan.

And along comes Trump.

Unless you are also a white nationalist (like King of Iowa), you’re kind of stuck with what you don’t like and know will hurt your constituency.

There are a number of congressmen in this situation.

Eventually I think they can be persuaded to vote against Trump, but it’s going to take some earnest politicking to get them to finally take that step.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 3, 2017 • 8:30:33am

re: #335 Belafon

I know. That’s why I included the :). I hoped I was implying a joke.

we have lost all sense of irony as the distinction between satire and real life has disappeared…

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Birth Control Works  Aug 3, 2017 • 8:38:26am

When did Teukka first tell us about this —3? WEEKS ago. Ahead of the NYT!

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austin_blue  Aug 3, 2017 • 8:39:55am

The last vehicle has left the launch site. Not long now…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 3, 2017 • 8:40:18am

re: #338 Birth Control Works

TOO CONSERVATIVE FOR THE VATICAN? A Vatican Shot Across the Bow for Hard-Line U.S. Catholics]

German Catholics were having the opposite issue with John Paul II and Benny the XVI: they were much too liberal for Rome…

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Jay C  Aug 3, 2017 • 8:41:24am

re: #334 makeitstop

Pleasant as the happy tingles of schadenfreude at seeing Congress even contemplate enacting another big “F*** You” to that crooked charlatan in the White House might be: I’m just wondering if this sort of act would meet Constitutional scrutiny, or might there be some sort of separation-of-powers issue involved (like the one Trump danced around in his sanctions-bill Signing Statement)?

Historical digression: this proposal puts me in mind of another Congressional power-grab at the expense of a perceived “weak” President: the Tenure Of Office Act (1867); whose violation the Reconstruction Congress used to try boot Andrew Johnson (and nearly succeeded). The TOOA was eventually ruled unconstitutional, but, very nearly, too late to save Johnson (though what the legal status of an ex-President impeached for violation of an unconstitutional statute might be is a question fortunately left unanswered).
Of course, there are some differences: the 1867 Act was a general restriction on the powers of the (or any) President: today’s proposal relates to a criminal investigation of this President and his Admin for violations of law. (and more power to them!)*

*Edit: “them” being the investigators, not Trump

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ObserverArt  Aug 3, 2017 • 8:44:33am

re: #338 Birth Control Works

When did Teukka first tell us about this —3? WEEKS ago. Ahead of the NYT!

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We have a very liberal Pope. It’s good to see. Is he perfect? Who is? And He still is a Catholic priest so he is going to hold to church teachings. But when it comes to the human things like healthcare, immigration, etc., he is shaking things up.

Plus, he pisses off some of the FOX News people. Bonus Points!

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Belafon  Aug 3, 2017 • 8:45:02am

re: #341 Jay C

I think the wording is made to get around separation of powers. Congress can write laws, but the executive executes them. Thus, they made sure that the execute occurs in the executive branch.

Now, how a court will rule will be interesting, but, in the mean time, maybe Congress can argue that Trump can’t have Mueller fired until this plays out in court.

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CongoJack  Aug 3, 2017 • 8:45:16am

re: #338 Birth Control Works

This Pope here is making a very good argument for me to start going back to the Catholic Church (which I gave up at 17). He keeps doing this stuff my unborn child may have to get baptized when he is born in a few months. Conservatism has damaged Catholicism in America.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 3, 2017 • 8:45:56am

re: #342 ObserverArt

We have a very liberal Pope. It’s good to see. Is he perfect? Who is? And He still is a Catholic priest so he is going to hold to church teachings. But when it comes to the human things like healthcare, immigration, etc., he is shaking things up.

Plus, he pisses of some of the FOX News people. Bonus Points!

And he is a scientist who sees no inherent contradiction between Biblical creation and Evolution, and sure pisses off a lot of people.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 3, 2017 • 8:46:30am

re: #340 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

German Catholics were having the opposite issue with John Paul II and Benny the XVI: they were much too liberal for Rome…

I had the pleasure of knowing some retired Jesuits in Berlin. Liberal? Oh yeah. I recall one of them performing an unofficial wedding ceremony for a lesbian couple - sort of a solemnization of their relationship. But a full-on Catholic ceremony, albeit, totally off the record and not a civil marriage.

He and the other Jesuits had no problem whatsoever with it. We even had a party afterwards.

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wheat-dogg  Aug 3, 2017 • 8:46:33am

re: #344 CongoJack

Conservatism has damaged Catholicism in America.

FTFY

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Dr. Matt  Aug 3, 2017 • 8:47:06am

Any updates on Rage Furby’s congressional testimony?

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freetoken  Aug 3, 2017 • 8:47:18am

re: #343 Belafon

It strikes me as this is just another change to the law that allows for Special Counsel.

Now if Trump overrides such a bill (assuming it could get through the House), the question is whether a veto override will be successful.

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KGxvi  Aug 3, 2017 • 8:47:37am

re: #341 Jay C

I believe the old independent counsel law was challenged at one point and found to be constitutional. Under that system, a 3 judge panel was appointed by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court who was responsible for actually appointing the independent counsel.

On a somewhat related note, I’ve been considering doing a weekly (or so) page that provides a brief analysis of important/historic Supreme Court cases. Would anyone be interested in something like that?

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Birth Control Works  Aug 3, 2017 • 8:47:46am

re: #344 CongoJack

This Pope here is making a very good argument for me to start going back to the Catholic Church (which I gave up at 17). He keeps doing this stuff my unborn child may have to get baptized when he is born in a few months. Conservatism has damaged Catholicism in America.

Did you read Black Catholics in America? The American Church has bad history. Not Conservatism as much as Greed.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 3, 2017 • 8:48:30am

re: #339 austin_blue

The last vehicle has left the launch site. Not long now…

Truck and personnel back to the rocket

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Birth Control Works  Aug 3, 2017 • 8:48:48am

I can’t and have decided not to pay attention to the revolving door of employees at the White House.

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Birth Control Works  Aug 3, 2017 • 8:49:10am

re: #350 KGxvi

I believe the old independent counsel law was challenged at one point and found to be constitutional. Under that system, a 3 judge panel was appointed by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court who was responsible for actually appointing the independent counsel.

On a somewhat related note, I’ve been considering doing a week (or so) page that provides a brief analysis of important/historic Supreme Court cases. Would anyone be interested in something like that?

Yes!!! I’m behind on SCOTUS.

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Birth Control Works  Aug 3, 2017 • 8:50:41am

There is an election next year. Congress Critters are starting to position themselves.

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austin_blue  Aug 3, 2017 • 8:50:42am

Thought I caught the word “Abort” in the feed (it’s real scratchy- three seconds on, five second pause, three seconds on, &c). In any case a vehicle has gone back to the pad and guys are standing around the bird.

Looks like a no-go for the time being.

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harlequinade  Aug 3, 2017 • 8:50:49am

re: #336 freetoken

I don’t think so.

I look at the Krugman article sets that up. There is a massive divide in the country/world where populism and tribalism reigns. I think, if you’re a republican in congress, you will be fighting your constituents because of Health Care, but depending on the main source of information your electorate has, the thought of voting democrat will be a bridge too far.

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Jay C  Aug 3, 2017 • 8:51:06am

re: #343 Belafon

Thus, they made sure that the execute occurs in the executive branch.

Am I that bad for visualizing this principle as “firing squad on the White House lawn”???

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Birth Control Works  Aug 3, 2017 • 8:53:39am

Trending on Twitter:

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CongoJack  Aug 3, 2017 • 8:54:44am

re: #351 Birth Control Works

Interesting. Adding that book to my reading list!

Thanks!

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jaunte  Aug 3, 2017 • 8:57:23am

This should be the new press secretary uniform.

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Birth Control Works  Aug 3, 2017 • 8:57:28am

re: #360 CongoJack

Interesting. Adding that book to my reading list!

Thanks!

It’s a good read —not too dry and scholarly.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 3, 2017 • 8:57:40am

OK, there appears to be a stray dog walking down the road to the “launch complex”

This is so damn “Georgia”

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MsJ  Aug 3, 2017 • 8:57:59am

re: #302 Stanley Sea

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Birth Control Works  Aug 3, 2017 • 8:59:03am

re: #363 FormerDirtDart

OK, there appears to be a stray dog walking down the road to the “launch complex”

This is so damn “Georgia”

Ok, I need the link to this. Sorry. I’m still on my first cuppa.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 3, 2017 • 9:00:38am

re: #365 Birth Control Works

Ok, I need the link to this. Sorry. I’m still on my first cuppa.

news4jax.com

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Birth Control Works  Aug 3, 2017 • 9:01:03am

On a different note. The family went away for a long weekend last weekend. Two teenage girls and their friends’ house and dog sat for us.

Upon arriving home, the dogs were thrilled to see us. A couple of days later, they are like, “ok, go away and bring back the girls.”

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Birth Control Works  Aug 3, 2017 • 9:01:41am

re: #366 FormerDirtDart

news4jax.com

muchas gracias

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weave  Aug 3, 2017 • 9:02:23am
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ObserverArt  Aug 3, 2017 • 9:03:00am

As a former model rocket builder/flyer/contestant…this whole launch is fascinating. Seeing them out there with a portable setup and rocket on it preparing to launch looks like a huge model rocket.

I gotta do some studying on who is behind this and what they are trying to accomplish.

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Skip Intro  Aug 3, 2017 • 9:04:31am

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Birth Control Works  Aug 3, 2017 • 9:04:50am

re: #366 FormerDirtDart

news4jax.com

Too freakin’ funny. After visiting Canaveral a couple of years ago, this is so … Georgia!

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 3, 2017 • 9:05:26am

re: #370 ObserverArt

As a former model rocket builder/flyer/contestant…this whole launch is fascinating. Seeing them out there with a portable setup and rocket on it preparing to launch looks like a huge model rocket.

I gotta do some studying on who is behind this and what they are trying to accomplish.

I believe the property is an old Thiokol rocket manufacture facility.
google.com

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Decatur Deb  Aug 3, 2017 • 9:06:01am

re: #366 FormerDirtDart

news4jax.com

Thanks. They’re gonna put an eye out.

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freetoken  Aug 3, 2017 • 9:06:13am

re: #370 ObserverArt

Perhaps Pyongyang can learn something here?

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 3, 2017 • 9:08:57am
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jaunte  Aug 3, 2017 • 9:10:48am
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KGxvi  Aug 3, 2017 • 9:10:50am

re: #376 FormerDirtDart

So McMaster will be fired in 3… 2…

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Belafon  Aug 3, 2017 • 9:13:23am

re: #378 KGxvi

So McMaster will be fired in 3… 2…

Reporter: Can you comment on McMaster saying Rice did nothing wrong?
Huckabee: That’s a rather outrageous claim to say that McMaster cleared Rice of wrongdoing.

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ObserverArt  Aug 3, 2017 • 9:13:59am

re: #373 FormerDirtDart

I believe the property is an old Thiokol rocket manufacture facility.
google.com

Thanks for that.

One of the scale rockets I built was the Morton-Thiokol Tomahawk complete with the launch pad structure. Entered that in the Nationals at Houston Manned Spacecraft Center. Came in fourth.

So, who’s actual rocket is that? That is what I can’t find so far.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 3, 2017 • 9:16:06am

re: #370 ObserverArt

As a former model rocket builder/flyer/contestant…this whole launch is fascinating. Seeing them out there with a portable setup and rocket on it preparing to launch looks like a huge model rocket.

I gotta do some studying on who is behind this and what they are trying to accomplish.

There is/was an “amateur” group from Huntsville that was trying to reach orbit via rockoons.

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makeitstop  Aug 3, 2017 • 9:16:06am

re: #373 FormerDirtDart

I believe the property is an old Thiokol rocket manufacture facility.
google.com

Wow, that’s a name I haven’t heard in a dog’s age.

I was a kid living in Levittown PA when the Thiokol plant there exploded.

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Birth Control Works  Aug 3, 2017 • 9:16:57am

re: #382 makeitstop

Wow, that’s a name I haven’t heard in a dog’s age.

I was a kid living in Levittown PA when the Thiokol plant there exploded.

You grew-up in Levittown?

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Decatur Deb  Aug 3, 2017 • 9:18:54am

re: #382 makeitstop

Wow, that’s a name I haven’t heard in a dog’s age.

I was a kid living in Levittown PA when the Thiokol plant there exploded.

Was that around 1971? If it was the flare plant, that was one of the most expensive accidents in munitions history. (Too many of the burned workers survived.)

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 3, 2017 • 9:19:05am

re: #380 ObserverArt

Thanks for that.

One of the scale rockets I built was the Morton-Thiokol Tomahawk complete with the launch pad structure. Entered that in the Nationals at Houston Manned Spacecraft Center. Came in fourth.

So, who’s actual rocket is that? That is what I can’t find so far.

Vector Space Systems
@vectorspacesys

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 3, 2017 • 9:19:37am

Trying again

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ObserverArt  Aug 3, 2017 • 9:19:40am

Found a little info on the actual company that built the rocket.

It is an Arizona-based outfit called Vector.

Here is a link for some basics

bizjournals .com - Go for launch: Rocket receives approval for Georgia’s first commercial spaceport

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makeitstop  Aug 3, 2017 • 9:19:59am

re: #383 Birth Control Works

You grew-up in Levittown?

I lived there for first and second grade, in the Whitewood section. Then we moved to Warminster, where I lived until I moved to NY in 1977.

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 3, 2017 • 9:20:47am

Is this the explosion you are referring to?
en.wikipedia.org

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ObserverArt  Aug 3, 2017 • 9:20:50am

re: #385 FormerDirtDart

Vector Space Systems
@vectorspacesys

Thanks. I just linked a little info on today’s launch that identified who it was.

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makeitstop  Aug 3, 2017 • 9:21:01am

re: #384 Decatur Deb

Was that around 1971? If it was the flare plant, that was one of the most expensive accidents in munitions history. (Too many of the burned workers survived.)

That was their Woodbine plant in Georgia. The one by me was in ‘62 or ‘63. I’m thinking closer to ‘62.

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makeitstop  Aug 3, 2017 • 9:22:03am

re: #389 PhillyPretzel

Is this the explosion you are referring to?
en.wikipedia.org

No, that was in Georgia. The one in PA was nowhere near as bad, but it was big news at the time.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 3, 2017 • 9:23:09am

re: #384 Decatur Deb

Was that around 1971? If it was the flare plant, that was one of the most expensive accidents in munitions history. (Too many of the burned workers survived.)

Holy shit.

en.wikipedia.org

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 3, 2017 • 9:24:06am

re: #392 makeitstop

I just looked up the company’s history and I do not see anything for 1962.
en.wikipedia.org

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makeitstop  Aug 3, 2017 • 9:26:06am

re: #394 PhillyPretzel

I just looked up the company’s history and I do not see anything for 1962.
en.wikipedia.org

I couldn’t find it, either. But I remember it was front-page news on the Bucks County Courier-Times, the paper of record around there.

And my oldest sister lived in Indian Creek at the time, which was about a mile away. She said it rattled the glass in her china cabinet.

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 3, 2017 • 9:29:11am

re: #395 makeitstop

It looks like that would require a trip to the library to find that article.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 3, 2017 • 9:29:22am

Anyone here remember that one explosion? WWI era I believe. Biggest non-nuclear blast ever recorded.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 3, 2017 • 9:30:39am

Apparently it launched

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ObserverArt  Aug 3, 2017 • 9:31:35am

Heh, they are talking about how bad their live launch quality is. They said there is no infrastructure at the compound yet.

No kidding!

Anyway, I give them credit for taking on such a task as launching a rocket. I am amazed how many private groups are in this now. When NASA got cut down in funding I thought this country would suffer.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 3, 2017 • 9:33:41am

re: #398 FormerDirtDart

Apparently it launched

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They may post quality video of the launch here soon
livestream.com

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ObserverArt  Aug 3, 2017 • 9:33:43am

re: #397 Dr Lizardo

Anyone here remember that one explosion? WWI era I believe. Biggest non-nuclear blast ever recorded.

Texas City???

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Decatur Deb  Aug 3, 2017 • 9:33:51am

re: #397 Dr Lizardo

Anyone here remember that one explosion? WWI era I believe. Biggest non-nuclear blast ever recorded.

Tom’s River Plant in NJ? It’s been exceeded since, in experiments and perhaps by the Texas City Ammonium Nitrate explosion.

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makeitstop  Aug 3, 2017 • 9:34:20am

re: #396 PhillyPretzel

It looks like that would require a trip to the library to find that article.

Yeah, I don’t even know if the Courier-Times even exists any more. Or their competition, The Daily Intelligencer, for that matter. That was a Montgomery County paper.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 3, 2017 • 9:35:35am
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Timothy Watson  Aug 3, 2017 • 9:36:01am

re: #396 PhillyPretzel

It looks like that would require a trip to the library to find that article.

Google News used to have scans which had been OCR’d for a bunch of different newspapers.

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ObserverArt  Aug 3, 2017 • 9:37:06am

So they got it off. Cool.

I hope someone posts the good quality video later.

407
FormerDirtDart  Aug 3, 2017 • 9:38:12am

re: #406 ObserverArt

So they got it off. Cool.

I hope someone posts the good quality video later.

re: #400 FormerDirtDart

They may post quality video of the launch here soon
livestream.com

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 3, 2017 • 9:38:27am

re: #401 ObserverArt

re: #402 Decatur Deb

It was bugging me; I looked it up.

The Halifax Explosion of 1917.

en.wikipedia.org

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Timothy Watson  Aug 3, 2017 • 9:40:48am

But don’t call them deplorables:

Police in Virginia say a man has been charged with making threats against Gov. Terry McAuliffe and his family.

Henrico County Police say state police notified them that 47-year-old Leonard Szweda made threats against the governor and his family. Court records show he was arrested last week.

Police say Henrico officers found evidence at Szweda’s home that resulted in additional charges, including possession of a firearm while subject to a protective order and possession of a firearm by a mentally incompetent person.

A State Police spokesman says the threats were made over the phone, but he declined to provide further details.

Records show Szweda has an Aug. 15 hearing to have an attorney appointed. When asked about the charges, Szweda told WRIC-TV from jail “the governor’s record speaks for itself.”

Maybe he’s also audition for a role in the Trump administration.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 3, 2017 • 9:42:04am

re: #408 Dr Lizardo

It was bugging me; I looked it up.

The Halifax Explosion of 1917.

en.wikipedia.org

Another ship. My installation went up spectacularly in 1926, but over a period of hours. 23 Marine guards died fighting the burning magazines. We were still cleaning it up in 1985.

thevane.gawker.com

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ObserverArt  Aug 3, 2017 • 9:43:22am

re: #408 Dr Lizardo

It was bugging me; I looked it up.

The Halifax Explosion of 1917.

en.wikipedia.org

Oh that one. I remember reading about that one too.

The history of industrial explosions is quite scary.

412
Timothy Watson  Aug 3, 2017 • 9:43:55am
He built his career on the systematic oppression of blacks and Native Americans, becoming one of the country’s most influential white supremacists. For more than three decades, from 1912 until 1946, Walter Ashby Plecker used his position as head of Virginia’s Bureau of Vital Statistics to champion policies designed to protect what he considered a master white race.

He was the father of the state’s Racial Integrity Act of 1924, which designated every person in the state as either white or “colored” and criminalized interracial marriage.

Plecker insisted that any person with a single drop of “Negro” blood couldn’t be classified as white, and he refused to even acknowledge that Native Americans existed in the commonwealth, effectively erasing their legal identities.

Then, on Aug. 2, 1947 — one year after his retirement — Plecker stepped into a road in the Confederacy’s former capital and was hit by a car. Blacks and Indians had good reason to celebrate.

richmond.com

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freetoken  Aug 3, 2017 • 9:45:30am

Paulogia does his usual good work is decimating the poor creationists:

How did kangaroos get to Australia? - Creation Today Claims

Especial irony goes to Eric Hovind, for attributing a statement to Ken Ham when it really was his father who used to use the line.

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plansbandc  Aug 3, 2017 • 9:49:55am

re: #189 teleskiguy

Congrats! My dude just quit about the same time as you did. He started smoking when he was 9!

415
FormerDirtDart  Aug 3, 2017 • 9:50:06am

Don’t forget PEPCON in Utah
Short:

Destroyed in Seconds- Chemical Plant Explosion

Longer: (watch sound, NSFW language)

Pepcon Explosion: Real Audio + Audio Reconstruction

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Stanley Sea  Aug 3, 2017 • 9:51:20am

re: #408 Dr Lizardo

It was bugging me; I looked it up.

The Halifax Explosion of 1917.

en.wikipedia.org

2K killed. Wow.

417
Stanley Sea  Aug 3, 2017 • 9:55:58am
418
makeitstop  Aug 3, 2017 • 9:56:31am

Nice graphic…

And with that, I’m of to Connecticut to play a show at Foxwoods. I’ll catch you from the hinterlands.

419
Mike Lamb  Aug 3, 2017 • 9:58:17am

You could damn near hear the breath holding and feet stamping during Trump’s conversation with Turnbull.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 3, 2017 • 10:00:10am

re: #416 Stanley Sea

2K killed. Wow.

Yep…….2.9 Kt of explosive force, temperatures of 5,000 °C (9,030 °F) and pressures of thousands of atmospheres accompanied the moment of detonation at the hypocenter. Like a small nuke.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 3, 2017 • 10:00:40am
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ObserverArt  Aug 3, 2017 • 10:04:27am

re: #412 Timothy Watson

richmond.com

Yeesh. Nasty guy.

Isn’t it sad we are having these discussions? I know racism never went away, but to see it back out in the open like it is again sucks bad. It is only going to create more problems and set every back who knows how far.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 3, 2017 • 10:04:53am
424
Unshaken Defiance  Aug 3, 2017 • 10:06:41am
425
PhillyPretzel  Aug 3, 2017 • 10:10:07am

re: #423 FormerDirtDart

That is very sad news.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Aug 3, 2017 • 10:11:42am

re: #351 Birth Control Works

Did you read Black Catholics in America? The American Church has bad history. Not Conservatism as much as Greed.

Greed in the Catholic church is well established. It’s nothing now compared to the pre-17th century church.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Aug 3, 2017 • 10:18:56am

re: #426 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Greed in the Catholic church is well established. It’s nothing now compared to the pre-17th century church.

I dunno. Stuff like indulgences and simony are very visible forms of venality…but the Vatican Bank is pretty damn sinister. As is the real estate empire of the US archdioceses.

ETA: And the South America clergy are pretty damn shady, being tied in with the oligarchs of those countries (and occasionally the cartel bosses).

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Stanley Sea  Aug 3, 2017 • 10:19:50am

must read

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gocart mozart  Aug 3, 2017 • 10:21:02am

“What is the thing with boats? Why do you discriminate against boats?”
- Trump to PM Turnbull of Australia

“I have had it. I have been making these calls all day and this is the most unpleasant call all day. Putin was a pleasant call. This is ridiculous.” Trump to Turnbull

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 3, 2017 • 10:24:33am

re: #429 gocart mozart

And the uncouth one does not like the White House. yahoo.com

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gocart mozart  Aug 3, 2017 • 10:24:36am
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Dr Lizardo  Aug 3, 2017 • 10:25:51am

re: #431 gocart mozart

As I said a few days ago, in my dreams, Trump’s resignation speech will simply be, “The Aristocrats!!”

433
Stanley Sea  Aug 3, 2017 • 10:25:59am

Audio of the mooch call just released.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 3, 2017 • 10:28:00am

re: #433 Stanley Sea

Audio of the mooch call just released.

And here it is: thehill.com

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gocart mozart  Aug 3, 2017 • 10:28:40am
436
Ace-o-aces  Aug 3, 2017 • 10:30:20am
437
Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 3, 2017 • 10:31:47am

re: #435 gocart mozart

[Embedded content]

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 3, 2017 • 10:31:56am
439
darthstar  Aug 3, 2017 • 10:32:31am

440
wheat-dogg  Aug 3, 2017 • 10:33:31am

re: #435 gocart mozart

A seven-year-old tire? The sidewall belts are showing. Who keeps the tires on a car that long? She’s lucky the tire didn’t blow while she was going 65.

441
A Mom Anon  Aug 3, 2017 • 10:33:53am

re: #436 Ace-o-aces

This liberal could give two shits and a happy fuck it about some stupid movie I hadn’t thought about, like, ever. He needs help for those imaginary liberals hiding in his head.

442
Ace-o-aces  Aug 3, 2017 • 10:34:13am

re: #435 gocart mozart

Both her and that tire got some serious city miles on them.

443
FormerDirtDart  Aug 3, 2017 • 10:34:54am

Anyone else think the White House gave Mooch a call, and told him to just STFU for once?

444
Stanley Sea  Aug 3, 2017 • 10:35:19am

re: #440 wheat-dogg

A seven-year-old tire? The sidewall belts are showing. Who keeps the tires on a car that long? She’s lucky the tire didn’t blow while she was going 65.

She probably hit a curb while drunk & doesn’t recall.

Or she pulled the photo from google.

445
Dr Lizardo  Aug 3, 2017 • 10:35:33am

re: #443 FormerDirtDart

Anyone else think the White House gave Mooch a call, and told him to just STFU for once?

[Embedded content]

Heh, Cernovich is gonna be sad.

Good.

446
Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 3, 2017 • 10:35:56am

re: #443 FormerDirtDart

Anyone else think the White House gave Mooch a call, and told him to just STFU for once?

[Embedded content]

“focusing on my family”…what “family” would that be?

447
wheat-dogg  Aug 3, 2017 • 10:36:07am

re: #442 Ace-o-aces

[Embedded content]

Both her and that tire got some serious city miles on them.

Is Loomer another cookie-cutter millennial conservative like Tomi Larsen? Neither one seems capable of much analytical thought.

448
gocart mozart  Aug 3, 2017 • 10:36:14am
449
gocart mozart  Aug 3, 2017 • 10:38:01am
450
Belafon  Aug 3, 2017 • 10:38:20am

re: #448 gocart mozart

My first attempt at college was at WPI. At the time, the male to female ratio was 5:1, and yet, I’d still see three or four women hanging out with one guy. So, no, it’s not a guarantee.

451
Birth Control Works  Aug 3, 2017 • 10:38:39am

re: #412 Timothy Watson

richmond.com

needs to be Paged

452
Birth Control Works  Aug 3, 2017 • 10:39:43am

re: #427 The Ghost of a Flea

I dunno. Stuff like indulgences and simony are very visible forms of venality…but the Vatican Bank is pretty damn sinister. As is the real estate empire of the US archdioceses.

ETA: And the South America clergy are pretty damn shady, being tied in with the oligarchs of those countries (and occasionally the cartel bosses).

It’s the takeover of the Hospitals we need to deal with now.

453
wheat-dogg  Aug 3, 2017 • 10:40:02am

re: #443 FormerDirtDart

He has “stay tuned” just as Trump does.

No one “tunes” a TV anymore, really. We don’t dial a phone number, either, but both verbs seem common among people of a certain age.

454
Kragar  Aug 3, 2017 • 10:40:30am
455
A Mom Anon  Aug 3, 2017 • 10:40:55am

re: #442 Ace-o-aces

I had to stop reading that thread, it’s fucking hilarious and I have too much else to do this afternoon. Snort.

456
Barefoot Grin  Aug 3, 2017 • 10:41:42am

re: #449 gocart mozart

[Embedded content]

I’m just going to watch this the rest of the day.

457
Stanley Sea  Aug 3, 2017 • 10:42:01am

re: #447 wheat-dogg

Is Loomer another cookie-cutter millennial conservative like Tomi Larsen? Neither one seems capable of much analytical thought.

She’s the woman who interrupted Shakespeare in the Park.

458
Dr Lizardo  Aug 3, 2017 • 10:42:17am

Looks like Eli Roth has done a re-make of Death Wish. Starring Bruce Willis.

You know…..on this one, I gotta say “Meh”. Charles Bronson is pretty damn hard to top, IMHO. The tone of the movie seems different as well; like some sort of dark comedy/action/vigilante flick.

459
freetoken  Aug 3, 2017 • 10:45:50am

Since I’m going through the Paulogia videos, here’s one he did a couple of weeks ago, about flat earthers and Ken Ham:

Flat Earth vs Young Earth Selective Skepticism - (Ken) Ham & AiG News

460
MsJ  Aug 3, 2017 • 10:49:20am

re: #455 A Mom Anon

I had to stop reading that thread, it’s fucking hilarious and I have too much else to do this afternoon. Snort.

461
gocart mozart  Aug 3, 2017 • 10:53:08am

Link contains actual Mooch/Lizza audio recording

462
gocart mozart  Aug 3, 2017 • 10:54:01am
463
ObserverArt  Aug 3, 2017 • 10:54:25am

Just watched the Vector Rocket Launch from Georgia video and I don’t know if it was the video or what, but that rocket took off like a model rocket. It was gone in 2 seconds. No slow lift at all.

Very interesting. I’m going to have to do some more reading on what that was all about.

464
gocart mozart  Aug 3, 2017 • 10:54:27am
465
gocart mozart  Aug 3, 2017 • 10:55:14am
466
unproven innocence  Aug 3, 2017 • 10:56:47am

FBI arrests WannaCry hero Marcus Hutchins in Las Vegas
3 August 2017 • 5:51pm

The FBI has arrested Marcus Hutchins, the 23-year-old security expert who saved the NHS from cyber criminals earlier this year.
[snip]

The young cyber expert was hailed as a saviour back in May for finding a kill switch for the WannaCry ransomware, which spread to more than 300,000 computers across 150 countries. Among the victims were dozens of NHS Trusts, which were forced to delay operations and turn people away.
About | WannaCry

467
stpaulbear  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:00:59am

re: #408 Dr Lizardo

It was bugging me; I looked it up.

The Halifax Explosion of 1917.

en.wikipedia.org

There’s a really good documentary about the Halifax explosion (if you skip past the first three minutes). Such a sad story.

The Halifax Explosion Documentary

468
freetoken  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:02:31am

re: #463 ObserverArt

This is the fundamental problem with using a propellant to get oneself out of a gravity well: the heavier the vehicle the more propellant you need to reach escape velocity; the more propellant, the heavier the vehicle.

The largest rockets have so much mass, most of which is going to burn, that they are near the limit of what can be done with propellants that we know.

469
jaunte  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:04:02am
470
Colère Tueur de Lapin  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:05:25am

re: #464 gocart mozart

That looks like a tire fire burning on his leg. Very apropos.

471
ObserverArt  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:15:12am

re: #468 freetoken

This is the fundamental problem with using a propellant to get oneself out of a gravity well: the heavier the vehicle the more propellant you need to reach escape velocity; the more propellant, the heavier the vehicle.

The largest rockets have so much mass, most of which is going to burn, that they are near the limit of what can be done with propellants that we know.

My understanding is this was a low altitude experiment. I’m not sure how high they were going, but maybe it did not need much propellant for this test and that is why it took off like a model rocket.

I was just surprised to see it take off that quickly.

472
Jebediah, RBG  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:16:25am

re: #189 teleskiguy

Congratulations on three weeks!
My wife just quit, she’s at about three days…

473
Teukka  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:39:52am

re: #342 ObserverArt

We have a very liberal Pope. It’s good to see. Is he perfect? Who is? And He still is a Catholic priest so he is going to hold to church teachings. But when it comes to the human things like healthcare, immigration, etc., he is shaking things up.

Plus, he pisses off some of the FOX News people. Bonus Points!

IMO, Francis is decently conservo. But in several key areas for me, he has values I can stand by him with.

474
darthstar  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:20:14pm

re: #189 teleskiguy

Approaching three weeks without any tobacco. I should be proud of myself. I started smoking cigarettes when I was 15, and have been a back-and-forth smoker ever since, This is the longest I’ve gone without a cig in years. Tobacco is such a scourge. I want a cigarette, right now! Goddamnit!

I dipped for years…since I was 10. I’m about 4 years now without a lip full. Fuckin’ hard to stop. Worth it in the end though…when you decide you’re done, you’ll be done.

475
darthstar  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:23:13pm

Pupdate - time to make sure no books are on the floor. One of my fb friends told me to give him Art of the Deal. I said I don’t feed crap to my dog.

476
wheat-dogg  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:35:01pm

re: #457 Stanley Sea

She’s the woman who interrupted Shakespeare in the Park.

Her 15 minutes are over, I’d say.


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