Transcripts of Trump’s Calls With Foreign Leaders Leaked, and Wow, Are They Ever Bizarre

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The Washington Post has obtained transcripts of the Trump-thing’s calls with Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto and Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull a week after inauguration, and once again they reveal the leader of the United States to be a fatuous loose cannon, more inclined to lash out at allies than at adversaries.

Here are the full transcripts. One big takeaway from these bizarre, contentious conversations is that Trump wanted Mexico’s Peña Nieto to stop saying Mexico wouldn’t pay for his imaginary border wall, saying the wall was “the least important thing we are talking about, but politically this might be the most important.”

Hard core Trump supporters may wish to ponder the meaning of this statement, because from here it looks an awful lot like they were conned by a snake oil salesman who never intended to deliver on his promise, but was simply using it as red meat for the rage-filled right wing base.

TRUMP: The only thing I will ask you though is on the wall, you and I both have a political problem. My people stand up and say, “Mexico will pay for the wall” and your people probably say something in a similar but slightly different language. But the fact is we are both in a little bit of a political bind because I have to have Mexico pay for the wall – I have to. I have been talking about it for a two year period, and the reason I say they are going to pay for the wall is because Mexico has made a fortune out of the stupidity of U.S. trade representatives. They are beating us at trade and they are beating us at the border, and they are killing us with drugs. Now I know you are not involved with that, but regardless of who is making all the money, billions and billions and billions – some people say more – is being made on drug trafficking that is coming through Mexico. Some people say that the business of drug trafficking is bigger than the business of taking our factory jobs. So what I would like to recommend is – if we are going to have continued dialogue – we will work out the wall. They are going to say, “who is going to pay for the wall, Mr. President?” to both of us, and we should both say, “we will work it out.” It will work out in the formula somehow. As opposed to you saying, “we will not pay” and me saying, “we will not pay.”

Because you and I are both at a point now where we are both saying we are not to pay for the wall. From a political standpoint, that is what we will say. We cannot say that anymore because if you are going to say that Mexico is not going to pay for the wall, then I do not want to meet with you guys anymore because I cannot live with that. I am willing to say that we will work it out, but that means it will come out in the wash and that is okay. But you cannot say anymore that the United States is going to pay for the wall. I am just going to say that we are working it out. Believe it or not, this is the least important thing that we are talking about, but politically this might be the most important…

Trump also tells Peña Nieto that he won in New Hampshire because it’s “a drug-infested den.”

They are sending drugs to Chicago, Los Angeles, and to New York. Up in New Hampshire – I won New Hampshire because New Hampshire is a drug-infested den – is coming from the southern border.

Apart from the insulting characterization of an entire US state, there’s another little problem with this statement: Trump didn’t win in New Hampshire. Hillary Clinton did, by about 3000 votes.

The call with Australia’s Turnbull was every bit as hostile as was first reported. At one point, Trump rants at the Australian Prime Minister that his call with Vladimir Putin was much more enjoyable.

Produced by White House staff, the documents provide an unfiltered glimpse of Trump’s approach to the diplomatic aspect of his job, subjecting even a close neighbor and long-standing ally to streams of threats and invective as if aimed at U.S. adversaries.

The Jan. 28 call with Turnbull became particularly acrimonious. “I have had it,” Trump erupted after the two argued about an agreement on refugees. “I have been making these calls all day, and this is the most unpleasant call all day.”

Before ending the call, Trump noted that at least one of his conversations that day had gone far more smoothly. “Putin was a pleasant call,” Trump said, referring to Russian President Vladi­mir Putin. “This is ridiculous.”

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447 comments

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freetoken  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:10:00am

They’re not especially bizarre, for demented old narcissist.

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Ace-o-aces  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:12:23am

re: #1 freetoken

They’re not especially bizarre, for demented old narcissist.

It’s actually quite coherent for Trump. This was early in the administration. Obviously the pressure has taken it’s toll.

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jaunte  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:13:52am
“Putin was a pleasant call,” Trump said, referring to Russian President Vladi­mir Putin. “This is ridiculous.”

“Russian intelligence says manipulating me is a piece of cake!”

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danarchy  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:14:29am

I can’t imagine that many people would have access to these transcripts. I don’t understand how they can’t figure out who is leaking this stuff.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:15:24am

re: #4 danarchy

I can’t imagine that many people would have access to these transcripts. I don’t understand how they can’t figure out who is leaking this stuff.

My theory or hunch: It’s Bannon.

He’s been the source of the leaks all along.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:16:45am

re: #5 Dr Lizardo

My theory or hunch: It’s Bannon.

He’s been the source of the leaks all along.

Deep Bloat.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:16:48am
Up in New Hampshire - I won New Hampshire because New Hampshire is a drug-infested den - is coming from the southern border.

Has Trump ever even looked at a map of the United States? Does he even know that New Hampshire is on an international border of a country that is not Mexico?

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Kragar  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:17:11am

Seeing people say “leaks like this hinder the President’s ability to talk to other world leaders”

GOOD!

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:17:15am

re: #5 Dr Lizardo

My theory or hunch: It’s Bannon.

He’s been the source of the leaks all along.

I think it’s Ivanka.

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freetoken  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:18:48am

re: #5 Dr Lizardo

It would be in Bannon’s advantage to sow as much discord at the top.

In a way, this is his own method of that old rubric: “false flag”.

Bannon’s goal is to delegitimize the US government as it has become over the last century. I would not doubt that Bannon is hoping to bring Trump to a crisis.

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jaunte  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:19:06am

re: #4 danarchy

I can’t imagine that many people would have access to these transcripts. I don’t understand how they can’t figure out who is leaking this stuff.

These are people who likely have passwords written on a post it note stuck to their monitors.

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lawhawk  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:19:31am

The more we learn about Trump, the more people should realize he never should have been elected, let alone run for the White House. The man is wholly incompetent and clearly lacking in character and judgment.

Of course, his supporters point to all these failings as the very reason he should be in office - because he’s going to blow stuff up and destroy government as it is currently functioning to make way for something (different/worse/smoking hole in the ground/white supremacist utopia, take your pick).

The entire admin is thoroughly compromised, and all we’ve seen is that Trump cannot be allowed to talk to anyone privately or conduct foreign policy because he’s going to destroy alliances and friendly relations with our neighbors and allies, all while ignoring the hostile acts of countries like Russia. It always comes back to Russia.

Trump never talks badly about Russia. Instead, he’s bitching about how Congress is making his life hard in dealing with Russia. Trump constantly overlooks/ignores/doesn’t accept the US intel community view on Russian interference in the US elections, and instead takes the Wikileaks (aka Russia), Faux News, Infowars, Sputnik view that nothing happened or that it was out of Russia’s control to influence the outcome of the election.

At every step, Trump is lying his ass off, and those lies continue piling up and the GOP controlled Congress is still covering for him. Unfortunately, that wont stop until the GOP lose their grip on power.

Even news that Trump needs minders to keep him focused (the latest being Kelly) shows that Trump is a 25th Amendment mess, if only the GOP cared enough about the Constitution to do their jobs (they don’t).

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Kragar  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:21:46am
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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:21:50am

FTR

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lawhawk  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:22:21am

Heh…

All the right wing attacks against Susan Rice? Yeah, they were always bullshit too. Her actions were appropriate. There was no deep state. There was no grand conspiracy. There was no crime.

Her statements were entirely appropriate and within the scope of her role.

Of course, expect Trump twits to completely ignore this.

Or worse, decide McMaster is no longer suitable for the job because he’s not pushing the Trumpworld line and must be purged. Just watch…

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Charles Johnson  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:23:23am

re: #8 Kragar

Seeing people say “leaks like this hinder the President’s ability to talk to other world leaders”

GOOD!

What really hinders Trump’s ability to talk to world leaders is the fact he’s a classless, arrogant, ignorant buffoon. These leaks are obviously coming out because there are people in this administration who are highly disturbed by his unhinged behavior.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:24:06am
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wrenchwench  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:24:12am

The telephone is very important to Trump. I think his favorite thing about being president is that it makes people take his calls more often, and hang up on him less often.

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jaunte  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:24:21am

Right? How nuts do you have to be to start a fight with the Australians over 1200 refugees?

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Kragar  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:24:56am

re: #16 Charles Johnson

What really hinders Trump’s ability to talk to world leaders is the fact he’s a classless, arrogant, ignorant buffoon. These leaks are obviously coming out because there are people in this administration who are highly disturbed by his unhinged behavior.

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freetoken  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:25:12am

re: #14 Unshaken Defiance

FTR

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That’s a good question. Independently, we could ask the guys on the other side of the phone.

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ObserverArt  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:27:06am

Well, we saw a poll yesterday with him at 33 percent approval. The only thing holding that number in the 30s are White men.

If they get the message they were conned they will turn on him.

It will be interesting to see if it does come out or if the Fox folks and all the wingnut talking radio heads can cover over it.

His numbers have a big chance of crashing now.

This would be humorous if it wasn’t so damn sad and dangerous.

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lawhawk  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:28:05am

re: #19 jaunte

Right? How nuts do you have to be to start a fight with the Australians over 1200 refugees?

Trump doesn’t care about any of this. He goes into the meetings ignorant of the facts and circumstances, and proceeds to speak out of ignorance and push policies that undermine US national security.

And then, when he catches something he didn’t know, he repeats it as though it’s a new fact discovered for the first time. Then people fixate on that and not the fact that he’s completely ignorant about everything that was just discussed. He has a small vocabulary and just doesn’t understand anything presented to him.

That’s why he speaks in empty platitudes and makes promises that no one will keep because he’s not into any of that. He likes the pomp and circumstance, not the work of being president. He likes people answering to him, but not the work of being president. You know, creating policy, negotiating deals (yeah, the reality is he can’t negotiate his way out of a paper bag), etc.

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ObserverArt  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:28:32am

re: #9 The Vicious Babushka

I think it’s Ivanka.

You think she is trying to get him out of office before he wrecks the family totally?

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nines09  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:28:43am

The leaker…….Wouldn’t that be a grand slam, overtime Stanley Cup winning goal, Super Bowl victory, 3 point game winner, on penalty kicks? Hoot.

thehill.com

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jaunte  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:29:36am

re: #24 ObserverArt

You think she is trying to get him out of office before he wrecks the family totally?

He is probably the biggest threat to her future as a “brand.”

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freetoken  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:30:04am
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Belafon  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:30:12am

re: #26 jaunte

He is probably the biggest threat to her future as a “brand.”

Or to her husband.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:30:14am

So tired of all this winning…

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freetoken  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:31:29am

For those of you not aware, the baker on the Titanic discussed his alcohol consumption for why he didn’t die:

en.wikipedia.org

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gocart mozart  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:31:37am

re: #7 The Vicious Babushka

Bannon = auto erotic deep throat.

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jaunte  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:32:20am

re: #31 gocart mozart

*dips brain into acid-filled bathtub*

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MsJ  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:34:21am

re: #14 Unshaken Defiance

FTR

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ObserverArt  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:35:25am

re: #21 freetoken

That’s a good question. Independently, we could ask the guys on the other side of the phone.

I was just wondering if it was the guys on the other side of the phone that released the transcripts.

Didn’t we hear that Trump wasn’t keeping good records of calls?

So, what if other world leaders have communicated with each other and with maybe some important U.S. Politicians in a covert way to say they will help save the U.S. from this Orange Disaster and expose him at every turn.

One thing for sure…I think this is developing rather quickly and it sure is putting pressure on Congress.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:36:53am

Hi Lizards.

I am maybe sort-of back. We’ll see.

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MsJ  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:37:20am

re: #34 ObserverArt

I was just wondering if it was the guys on the other side of the phone that released the transcripts.

Didn’t we hear that Trump wasn’t keeping good records of calls?

So, what if other world leaders have communicated with each other and with maybe some important U.S. Politicians in a covert way to say they will help save the U.S. from this Orange Disaster and expose him at every turn.

One thing for sure…I think this is developing rather quickly and it sure is putting pressure on Congress.

If it was one country, I would say possibly (but the other sides are kinda professionals at international diplomacy, but who knows). That it is from two countries has to be internal.

My question is…who is doing it and why? What is their endgame?

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Kragar  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:38:00am
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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:38:36am

The only things Trump does as POTUS: play golf & hold rallies of adoring fans

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Kragar  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:38:37am
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wrenchwench  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:39:33am

re: #35 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Hi Lizards.

I am maybe sort-of back. We’ll see.

Good to ‘We’ll see’ you.

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MsJ  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:40:20am

re: #35 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Hi Lizards.

I am maybe sort-of back. We’ll see.

Hey! Welcome back. Refreshed and happy?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:40:28am

re: #40 wrenchwench

Good to ‘We’ll see’ you.

It is humid and it made my morning run awful especially since I won’t get a thunderstorm out of it.

WTF humidity, go away.

I’m running a half on Saturday to celebrate my birthday though.

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ObserverArt  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:40:40am

re: #35 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Hi Lizards.

I am maybe sort-of back. We’ll see.

You know, you can always drop in and let us know what’s going on…and keep politics out if need be.

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weave  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:42:00am

re: #465 gocart mozart

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Meh. I can go so far as to understand why some people voted for him, but those who continue to support him after all this shit that’s been happening, those are the ones who are going to be hard to forgive.

Unfortunately, that appears to be the vast majority of those who voted for him. :-(

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ObserverArt  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:43:09am

re: #36 MsJ

If it was one country, I would say possibly (but the other sides are kinda professionals at international diplomacy, but who knows). That it is from two countries has to be internal.

My question is…who is doing it and why? What is their endgame?

Oh I agree. But these are not normal times.

Professional politicians might actually be concerned what is happening. Bad shit in America is bad for all the world.

Maybe someone from here, like maybe Mueller, or say a McCain, is contacting them to ask if they could help.

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John Carter  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:44:14am

re: #14 Unshaken Defiance

FTR

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Did anybody ask bad of the DNC or podesta emails?

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weave  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:44:49am

re: #38 The Vicious Babushka

The only things Trump does as POTUS: play golf & hold rallies of adoring fans

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Yet when President Obama showed up for any kind of speech on anything, he was mocked for being in “permanent campaign mode.”

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wrenchwench  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:47:17am

re: #42 klys (maker of Silmarils)

It is humid and it made my morning run awful especially since I won’t get a thunderstorm out of it.

WTF humidity, go away.

I’m running a half on Saturday to celebrate my birthday though.

Due to the recent lack of your inspiration [////////////] I’ve skipped a couple runs. We’ve had an unusual amount of humidity, the daily rain that goes with the season, and sunrise rainbows and sunset rainbows. Sometime double.

Are you celebrating Birthday Week? Any cake yet?

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ObserverArt  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:47:35am

re: #37 Kragar

Having an ignorant white nationalist with dementia in the White House seems like the bigger problem

Exactly.

I think we may be in the “if you had a chance to kill Hitler” territory.

And no I don’t mean literal kill, I mean politically.

Just think what would have happened if those that were fearful of Hitler had instead of appeasing and watching decided we need to knock him down politically and actually managed to do it.

Of course they had no idea how far he would go.

But we do know now how far it can go, so using history it may not be a bad thing to prevent it from happening again.

All the signs are there. Yesterday Miller put up a big one.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:49:19am

re: #48 wrenchwench

Due to the recent lack of your inspiration [////////////] I’ve skipped a couple runs. We’ve had an unusual amount of humidity, the daily rain that goes with the season, and sunrise rainbows and sunset rainbows. Sometime double.

Are you celebrating Birthday Week? Any cake yet?

I’d put up with the humidity better if it gave me something besides clouds. And waves of heat as I run by the creek.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:50:35am

re: #38 The Vicious Babushka

The only things Trump does as POTUS: play golf & hold rallies of adoring fans

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MsJ  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:52:58am

re: #50 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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Charles Johnson  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:53:11am
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Charles Johnson  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:54:09am
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freetoken  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:54:52am

re: #51 Backwoods_Sleuth

He’s going to have Geraldo come on stage with him and declare they’ve found Jimmy Hoffa?

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b.d. (bill d.)  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:54:54am

re: #51 Backwoods_Sleuth

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LOL, I hope he tries and recall Congress from their break.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:55:14am

re: #54 Charles Johnson

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The leaker is John Miller.

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MsJ  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:55:15am

re: #51 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Does that Very Big Announcement scare anyone else?

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wrenchwench  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:55:46am

re: #50 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’d put up with the humidity better if it gave me something besides clouds. And waves of heat as I run by the creek.

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MsJ  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:56:04am

re: #57 b.d. (bill d.)

The leaker is John Miller.

Again…

Why?

To what end?

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ObserverArt  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:56:44am

re: #55 freetoken

He’s going to have Geraldo come on stage with him and declare they’ve found Jimmy Hoffa?

Shoot, I was hoping he would say he is resigning due to the fact that he is too good for all of us ungrateful Americans and we don’t appreciate his presidential mastery.

Edit…redo the wrong do/due.

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Skip Intro  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:57:22am

re: #51 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He’s going to eliminate all EPA regulations with an executive order?

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:57:48am

re: #58 MsJ

Does that Very Big Announcement scare anyone else?

Somebody is getting fired.

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dangerman  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:58:03am

re: #10 freetoken

It would be in Bannon’s advantage to sow as much discord at the top.

In a way, this is his own method of that old rubric: “false flag”.

Bannon’s goal is to delegitimize the US government as it has become over the last century. I would not doubt that Bannon is hoping to bring Trump to a crisis.

See how the govt fails after I sabotage it?
See how healthcare…..

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Skip Intro  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:59:03am

re: #63 The Vicious Babushka

Ford is coming out with a coal fired pickup?

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:59:53am

Big announcement: “This is really big—last weekend I shot a 69 at Bedminster….”

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Renaissance_Man  Aug 3, 2017 • 11:59:59am

re: #58 MsJ

Does that Very Big Announcement scare anyone else?

Nope - sounds like the usual carny barking. Something to make rubes tune in.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:00:01pm

re: #58 MsJ

Does that Very Big Announcement scare anyone else?

[trump] SINCE CONGRESS SAYS I CAN’T SELL STUFF TO RUSSIA ANYMORE, WE ARE JUST GOING TO GIVE IT TO THEM. [/trump]

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freetoken  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:01:23pm

re: #67 Renaissance_Man

Nope - sounds like the usual carny barking. Something to make rubes tune in.

Like he’s trying to drum up the crowd, in what otherwise might be a diminishing attendance.

He’s over-working WV. Carnivals and circuses of old traveled around because any one location plays out very quickly.

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VegasGolfer  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:03:45pm

To whoever posted downstairs about Pepcon, it happened in Nevada, not Utah

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b.d. (bill d.)  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:04:37pm

re: #69 freetoken

Like he’s trying to drum up the crowd, in what otherwise might be a diminishing attendance.

He’s over-working WV. Carnivals and circuses of old traveled around because any one location plays out very quickly.

Ugh, his speech is in West Virginia again?

Probably announcing abolishing the Clean Water Act, bringing back lawn darts or DDT

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wrenchwench  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:04:38pm

She’s still singing and playing!

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Kragar  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:06:51pm
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jimmyvluv4u  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:07:00pm

re: #66 Barefoot Grin

Nice.

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dangerman  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:09:05pm

re: #35 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:09:15pm
The Post is publishing reproductions rather than original documents in order to protect sources

Note to The Intercept: This is how real journalists do it.

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freetoken  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:10:01pm

re: #71 b.d. (bill d.)

Ugh, his speech is in West Virginia again?

Trump plays WV more often than Dolly Parton.

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Kragar  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:10:39pm
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dangerman  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:11:08pm

re: #12 lawhawk

The more we learn about Trump, the more people should realize he never should have been elected, let alone run for the White House. The man is wholly incompetent and clearly lacking in character and judgment.

…- because he’s going to blow stuff up and destroy government…

At every step, Trump is lying his ass off, and those lies continue piling up and the GOP controlled Congress is still covering for him. Unfortunately, that wont stop until the GOP lose their grip on power.

on blowing things up Charles Blow and why the lies matter

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calochortus  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:11:23pm

re: #50 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’d put up with the humidity better if it gave me something besides clouds. And waves of heat as I run by the creek.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:13:15pm

re: #78 Kragar

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Hannity is the leader of chunking republicans under the bus

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ObserverArt  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:14:17pm

re: #72 wrenchwench

She’s still singing and playing!

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And looking good doing it too.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:15:47pm

re: #80 calochortus

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Kragar  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:17:11pm
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garzooma  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:17:47pm

re: #4 danarchy

I can’t imagine that many people would have access to these transcripts. I don’t understand how they can’t figure out who is leaking this stuff.

You’re thinking of a normal White House. The current WH has a president who blurts out secrets, hires staff based on loyalty rather than competence, and likes to pit people against each other. Who knows who has access to what?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:18:16pm

re: #78 Kragar

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:18:48pm

re: #49 ObserverArt

Exactly.

I think we may be in the “if you had a chance to kill Hitler” territory.

And no I don’t mean literal kill, I mean politically.

Just think what would have happened if those that were fearful of Hitler had instead of appeasing and watching decided we need to knock him down politically and actually managed to do it.

Of course they had no idea how far he would go.

But we do know now how far it can go, so using history it may not be a bad thing to prevent it from happening again.

All the signs are there. Yesterday Miller put up a big one.

I remember reading Stephen King’s Danse Macabre years and years ago and he had a line in that book that said ‘If Adolf Hitler had been interviewed by Mike Wallace for about 30 minutes or so, I figure his goose would’ve been cooked’ or something to that effect.

Heh.

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Jay C  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:19:09pm

re: #78 Kragar

Who to trust here? The Army General with decades of experience or Lumpy McDoughboy and his feelings decades of obsessvive smearing of anything Obama/Clinton/Democratic-related ?

I’m surprised he didn’t tag Rice as “discredited Benghazi liar” right off the bat: or maybe he’s saving that wheeze for this evening’s broadcast…..

(Seriously: I still see wingnuts here-and-there frothing over Susan Rice’s “role” in whatever bogus “scandal” they’ve tried to gin up over the Benghazi attacks, Mostly, AFAICT, because she tried to deflect the blame for the attack away from President Obama and Sec’y Clinton - who of course, are 100% bloodstained guilty…..)

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The Dude Abides  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:19:21pm

re: #70 VegasGolfer

To whoever posted downstairs about Pepcon, it happened in Nevada, not Utah

Wasn’t there another one in Utah, several years after the big one in Henderson?

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b.d. (bill d.)  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:19:40pm

lol

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Kragar  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:20:27pm

re: #86 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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dangerman  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:21:36pm

re: #85 garzooma

You’re thinking of a normal White House. The current WH has a president who blurts out secrets, hires staff based on loyalty rather than competence, and likes to pit people against each other. Who knows who has access to what?

….a president who asked the Pres of Mexico to help cover up his biggest campaign scam/lie…

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gocart mozart  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:24:11pm

re: #72 wrenchwench

and the rest is history

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dangerman  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:25:00pm

re: #88 Jay C

I’m surprised he didn’t tag Rice as “discredited Benghazi liar” right off the bat: or maybe he’s saving that wheeze for this evening’s broadcast…..

(Seriously: I still see wingnuts here-and-there frothing over Susan Rice’s “role” in whatever bogus “scandal” they’ve tried to gin up over the Benghazi attacks, Mostly, AFAICT, because she tried to deflect the blame for the attack away from President Obama and Sec’y Clinton - who of course, are 100% bloodstained guilty…..)

Of course no one in the current administration would ever behave that way…protect the president? Nah….

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gocart mozart  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:25:08pm
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darthstar  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:26:01pm

I was wondering if transcripts of his calls would ever make the light of day…someone will get caught leaking something like this as so few people SHOULD have access.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:26:38pm

re: #58 MsJ

Does that Very Big Announcement scare anyone else?

If I had to guess I’d say he’s going to announce he’s ordering the Administration to drop the appeal in House v. Price, suspending CSR payments and govt subsidies for the health plans of Congress members and their staff. He’s going to phrase it as a big stick move to prod Congress into repealing Obamacare while blaming them for the ensuing marketplace disruption.

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gocart mozart  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:28:08pm
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sagehen  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:33:17pm

re: #50 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’d put up with the humidity better if it gave me something besides clouds. And waves of heat as I run by the creek.

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steve_davis  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:35:04pm

I would give almost anything if one of my old bosses, a chain smokin’, rootin’ tootin’ Claghorn from Mississippi, could come back from the dead and have one of these phone calls with the president. The man was legendary for being able to sit in his office with the door closed and to get so worked up with people on the phone that he could be heard down on the other end of the building. I only got my ass chewed on twice, but it was enough. With the door closed, there’d be smoke billowing out from under the crack. It was like being summoned by Patzuzu. I just so…so want to hear him on the phone chewing Trump a new one.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:35:19pm
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gocart mozart  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:35:51pm

[Can’t find this tweet right now: twitter.com ]

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:36:56pm

re: #101 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s not even my birthday yet!

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Belafon  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:37:08pm

re: #96 darthstar

I was wondering if transcripts of his calls would ever make the light of day…someone will get caught leaking something like this as so few people SHOULD have access.

Did you leak the transcripts?
Nope.
Did you leak the transcripts?
Nope.

Did you leak the transcripts?
Nope.

In an administration full of liars, how are you going to find the person?

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Single-handed sailor  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:37:14pm

re: #101 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That explains the stock market shitting itself.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:37:39pm

re: #101 Backwoods_Sleuth

And…
Here.
We.
Go.

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Kragar  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:38:43pm
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b.d. (bill d.)  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:39:07pm

re: #101 Backwoods_Sleuth

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LOL, suddenly I have a uneasy feeling about Trump’s “very big announcement” tonight…

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jaunte  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:40:52pm

re: #108 b.d. (bill d.)

Trump Announces Constitutional Crisis.

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:42:27pm

re: #108 b.d. (bill d.)

LOL, suddenly I have a uneasy feeling about Trump’s “very big announcement” tonight…

Now it’s looking more like “given all the leaking, the only people I can trust are Don Jr., Eric, Ivanka, and Jared. Henceforth, the functions of the US government will be entrusted to this small team, which, really great people right?, will have to interests of the American people in their pockets keeping it close to the vest.”

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freetoken  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:44:23pm

He’ll probably announce the “News” program on his Facebook page, done by his daughter-in-law, and make it sound like it’s some big thing.

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sizzzzlerz  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:45:49pm

re: #7 The Vicious Babushka

Has Trump ever even looked at a map of the United States? Does he even know that New Hampshire is on an international border of a country that is not Mexico?

While that may be true, remember there are drug mules from Mexico with calves like cantaloupes for whom a walk that far is nothing.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:45:51pm

re: #93 gocart mozart

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Kragar  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:46:37pm
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Jenner7  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:46:42pm
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b.d. (bill d.)  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:47:06pm

[trump]1st of all, I’m rich, I deserve a 100 Grand Jury at the minimum. 2ndly I am pardoning myself even though I didn’t do anything wrong. God bless you and God bless Putin America.. [/trump]

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sagehen  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:47:59pm

re: #101 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Lidane  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:48:42pm

ICYMI, this happened:

Between this and the alt-right purge over at the NSC, Breitbart is on a tear today. You’d think McMaster was caught on tape joining ISIS.

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dangerman  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:48:59pm

re: #37 Kragar

[Embedded content]Any @POTUS needs to have confidential communications with world leaders. Leaking transcripts is corrosive to norms.

norms?

have you been paying attention?

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ObserverArt  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:49:10pm

re: #115 Jenner7

NEWS: WV Gov Jim Justice is expected to change parties, become a Republican tonight at the rally with Trump

Whut???

Seems like odd timing. Must be a rat heading back to the sinking ship.

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freetoken  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:49:10pm

re: #115 Jenner7

That sounds about right.

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sagehen  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:49:52pm

re: #113 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Was Sheryl Crow already a liberal icon? If not… she is now.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:50:09pm

re: #115 Jenner7

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Jim Justice, Gov. of WV

Looks like the Dems lost a real winner here.

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Lidane  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:50:44pm

re: #118 Lidane

Sparing you a trip to Breitbart:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:50:50pm

re: #120 ObserverArt

Whut???

Seems like odd timing. Must be a rat heading back to the sinking ship.

It’s not like there’s any real difference between D & R in West Virginia.

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Interesting Times  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:52:13pm

re: #125 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s not like there’s any real difference between D & R in West Virginia.

Manchin voted to preserve the ACA and Capito voted to destroy it.

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steve_davis  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:53:02pm

re: #30 freetoken

For those of you not aware, the baker on the Titanic discussed his alcohol consumption for why he didn’t die:

en.wikipedia.org

okay. i remembered the part about the alcohol, but I’d forgotten that basically, after the ship had broken in half and the front end started going down, he climbed over the rail on the front of the ship and rode that sucker down “like an elevator” until the ship went under, at which point, he was able to keep his head out of the water and swim about for the better part of two hours WITHOUT GETTING HYPOTERMIA or having his legs destroyed from the cold. I’m assuming that he imbibed so much alcohol of sufficient proof that it basically acted as anti-freeze.

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A Mom Anon  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:54:55pm

re: #101 Backwoods_Sleuth

I was just headed here to post that. You all are too quick, I couldn’t keep up even if I hung out here all day, lol.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:55:55pm

At this point, I wouldn’t be surprised if Trump himself is the leaker.

I still think it’s Melania “getting even”.

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bratwurst  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:56:29pm
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calochortus  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:56:40pm

re: #112 sizzzzlerz

While that may be true, remember there are drug mules from Mexico with calves like cantaloupes for whom a walk that far is nothing.

Actually Mexican heroin is what is fueling much of the addiction epidemic in the mid-west and I would assume it is making it to NH as well. Especially with the crackdown on Oxycontin prescriptions, it is cheap and available.
I recommend reading Dreamland by Sam Quinones for an eye opening look at the Mexican business model.

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Lidane  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:56:58pm

re: #129 GlutenFreeJesus

At this point, I wouldn’t be surprised if Trump himself is the leaker.

I still think it’s Melania “getting even”.

I’d break something laughing if it was Melania or one of the Trump kids.

My money’s on Tiffany. Hah.

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MsJ  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:57:40pm

Read this right now. By a couple of ex-CIA dudes.

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dangerman  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:57:49pm

re: #128 A Mom Anon

I was just headed here to post that. You all are too quick, I couldn’t keep up even if I hung out here all day, lol.

wait, you mean we dont have to?

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Lidane  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:58:43pm

re: #130 bratwurst

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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:59:13pm

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Kragar  Aug 3, 2017 • 12:59:18pm
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Dr Lizardo  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:02:22pm

re: #127 steve_davis

okay. i remembered the part about the alcohol, but I’d forgotten that basically, after the ship had broken in half and the front end started going down, he climbed over the rail on the front of the ship and rode that sucker down “like an elevator” until the ship went under, at which point, he was able to keep his head out of the water and swim about for the better part of two hours WITHOUT GETTING HYPOTERMIA or having his legs destroyed from the cold. I’m assuming that he imbibed so much alcohol of sufficient proof that it basically acted as anti-freeze.

Charles Joughin’s escape from that disaster is briefly seen in Titanic. He’s the other guy standing on the stern railing with DeCaprio and Kate Winslet.

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MsJ  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:07:51pm
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Kragar  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:09:15pm
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Ace-o-aces  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:09:46pm
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BeachDem  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:10:00pm

re: #130 bratwurst

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WaPo thinks Mr. Elegant is most likely Lester Holt or Chris Wallace, who moderated one of the debates. (Or somebody else whose name the yam couldn’t remember.)

So, absent a Sherlockian solution, we’ll nominate as top possibilities Fox News’s Chris Wallace, who refereed the last faceoff between Trump and Hillary Clinton, and NBC’s Lester Holt, who moderated their first — and in that debate, Trump’s offshore talking point got more play than usual.

washingtonpost.com

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Stanley Sea  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:10:03pm
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calochortus  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:12:00pm

BBL

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Jenner7  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:13:07pm
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Dr Lizardo  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:13:22pm

Off to sleep. Another day tomorrow. Have a good one, Lizards.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:14:12pm
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goddamnedfrank  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:15:18pm
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Charles Johnson  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:16:00pm
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Kragar  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:18:52pm
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Teukka  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:20:30pm

Obligatory inspirational video. More important now than ever.

Charlie Chaplin - The Great Dictator (Final Speech) /w Time - Hans Zimmer

*tips hat to Charlie* Good one, SIR.

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Jenner7  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:21:28pm
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b.d. (bill d.)  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:22:19pm

Lock Him Up!

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Kragar  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:22:55pm
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A dark and stormy covfefe  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:23:41pm

If this is the type of news that drops on Thursday, what awaits on Friday afternoon?

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b.d. (bill d.)  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:23:47pm

Russians probably gave Mueller everything he needed to go to the Grand Jury before the ink was dry on the new sanctions law.

//.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:25:01pm

If they can put Martha Stewart in jail…

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:26:25pm

Boom!

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dangerman  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:26:51pm

re: #140 Kragar

[Embedded content]The only reason he wouldn’t reach that number is because he failed to fill so many open positions when he took office

chaos /shit show aside, yeah - even now i’d definitely consider taking a job with this administration where i might need to bring a lawyer with me to work

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freetoken  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:29:25pm

re: #154 Kragar

So Kelly declared that everything that goes to Trump has to go through him, correct?

Does that apply to the lawyers?

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b.d. (bill d.)  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:30:21pm

[af1 pilot] Mr. President, I thought we were going to West Virginia, not the Maldives…[/af1 pilot]

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jaunte  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:32:20pm

Grand day at the White House.

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MsJ  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:33:00pm

The governor of WV is a coal guy and WVs only billionaire. No wonder he’s a trump guy.

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Kragar  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:33:28pm
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b.d. (bill d.)  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:33:35pm

re: #163 MsJ

The governor of WV is a coal guy and WVs only billionaire. No wonder he’s a trump guy.

And he switched to Dems in 2015 to run for office.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:33:57pm

re: #163 MsJ

The governor of WV is a coal guy and WVs only billionaire. No wonder he’s a trump guy.

Conservatism has always been a for-profit scam.

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MsJ  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:35:14pm

re: #165 b.d. (bill d.)

And he switched to Dems in 2015 to run for office.

And the Democratic gov committee spent a shit ton of money on his run. Fucker. Like $50 million.

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MsJ  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:37:14pm

Huh?

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Ace-o-aces  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:40:17pm
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Jay C  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:41:01pm
re: #165 b.d. (bill d.)

The governor of WV is a coal guy and WVs only billionaire. No wonder he’s a trump guy.

And he switched to Dems in 2015 to run for office.

Jeez: Wikipedia already has this up. One has to wonder what WV voters are going to think in a few years when “Turncoat Jim” has to face the fact that his Idol Trump’s “Coal is King Again” strategy hasn’t, actually, been the economic bonanza for the state as advertised?

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MsJ  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:41:07pm
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Stanley Sea  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:41:48pm
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Barefoot Grin  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:42:04pm

re: #131 calochortus

Actually Mexican heroin is what is fueling much of the addiction epidemic in the mid-west and I would assume it is making it to NH as well. Especially with the crackdown on Oxycontin prescriptions, it is cheap and available.
I recommend reading Dreamland by Sam Quinones for an eye opening look at the Mexican business model.

It mostly derives from Mexico and apparently some enters from NYC through Lawrence, MA into NH. Another route is up into NW Canada and across through the Quebec border. I know about that one because a neighbor got busted as part of a pretty big ring that ran Mexican drugs through Canada into New England.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:42:21pm
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dangerman  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:43:02pm

re: #171 MsJ

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too early for who’s his tailor jokes?

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:43:13pm

re: #171 MsJ

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If David Byrne had gone down the wrong path in life….

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b.d. (bill d.)  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:43:15pm
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MsJ  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:43:41pm

re: #172 Stanley Sea

Everything about trump is flat out grotesque.

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Kragar  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:43:54pm

re: #175 dangerman

too early for who’s his tailor jokes?

Goodwill

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MsJ  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:44:56pm

re: #174 GlutenFreeJesus

Well, if we’d just let trump collude with Russia all would be great.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:45:02pm

I love the trolling dictionary

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Dr. Matt  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:45:10pm
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b.d. (bill d.)  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:45:34pm

re: #175 dangerman

too early for who’s his tailor jokes?

everybody

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b.d. (bill d.)  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:45:55pm

re: #179 Kragar

Goodwill

Goodyear…

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MsJ  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:46:02pm

re: #175 dangerman

too early for who’s his tailor jokes?

Billionaires (or supposed billionaires) who can’t cough up $20 for a haircut or $50 for a tailor.

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dangerman  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:47:00pm

re: #174 GlutenFreeJesus

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im not getting this
the dow closed 9 points up on the day - another “record”
only 18 points off the days high

the “drop” at 3:30p was only 33 points

i tip my doorman more than that

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Belafon  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:47:13pm

re: #168 MsJ

Huh?

I’ll read the article later, but maybe another party switch.

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dangerman  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:47:39pm

re: #179 Kragar

Goodwill

i thought he was rich
oh, right, yeah….

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MsJ  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:48:25pm

re: #187 Belafon

I’ll read the article later, but maybe another party switch.

Nope. I read it. And I don’t get it.

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jaunte  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:56:15pm
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jaunte  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:56:45pm
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A Mom Anon  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:58:01pm

re: #191 jaunte

Dijon Mustard! Tan Suit! Apology Tour!

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I Would Prefer Not To  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:58:38pm

re: #122 sagehen

Was Sheryl Crow already a liberal icon? If not… she is now.

She got a lot of flac for having a “No War” sign on her guitar prior to Iraq.

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dangerman  Aug 3, 2017 • 1:59:15pm

re: #191 jaunte

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this doesnt worry me - they’re slow and late to the party
eventually they’ll have to cover it
theyre forced to else theyll look like idiots (yeah i know - a different kind of idiot)

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A dark and stormy covfefe  Aug 3, 2017 • 2:00:18pm

re: #175 dangerman

The guy at the carnival couldn’t guess his weight.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 3, 2017 • 2:00:32pm

They had no idea?

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b.d. (bill d.)  Aug 3, 2017 • 2:03:56pm

re: #196 Stanley Sea

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They had no idea?

They probably ignored the certified letter slips.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 3, 2017 • 2:06:54pm
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Jay C  Aug 3, 2017 • 2:07:13pm

re: #196 Stanley Sea

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They had no idea?

Started using a new grand jury

What kind of lawyer uses language like that? It makes it sound like he only found out because somebody found a discarded grand-jury blister-pack in the trash outside of Mueller’s office…..

But yeah, this is shit that will send the POTUS to Gitmo (or someplace equally salubrious) - you want to use a nice new Grand Jury instead of the old scruffy ones kicking around the courthouse….

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jaunte  Aug 3, 2017 • 2:07:21pm
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dangerman  Aug 3, 2017 • 2:07:32pm

re: #196 Stanley Sea

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They had no idea?

you think saying you have “no reason to believe that has changed” has some kind of power?

- “comey said” is not a vaccination

oh and btw, those proceedings are kinda secret so…maybe its that youre not in the loop

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b.d. (bill d.)  Aug 3, 2017 • 2:08:07pm
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Dr. Matt  Aug 3, 2017 • 2:08:13pm

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dangerman  Aug 3, 2017 • 2:09:33pm

re: #200 jaunte

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like what i said above about going to work for the white house now. you’d need to bring your lawyer to work every day

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Stanley Sea  Aug 3, 2017 • 2:10:08pm
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jaunte  Aug 3, 2017 • 2:12:23pm

re: #205 Stanley Sea

“this phase increases pressure and thus dumb new crimes — obstruction, perjury, etc.”

I’m sure this crowd of backbiters will remain calm under pressure.

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ObserverArt  Aug 3, 2017 • 2:12:58pm

re: #148 goddamnedfrank

First documented case of a rat actually boarding a sinking ship…

I made that crack in #120.

Maybe they only count if tweeted.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Aug 3, 2017 • 2:15:46pm

bookmarked…

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 3, 2017 • 2:17:03pm

If anyone is thinking of watching Trump’s campaign rally event in WV I’d suggest to listen very, very carefully to see if you can detect any truths.

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ObserverArt  Aug 3, 2017 • 2:18:29pm

re: #163 MsJ

The governor of WV is a coal guy and WVs only billionaire. No wonder he’s a trump guy.

Just turned on MSNBC and heard Chuck Todd say he has been registered as a Republican before and also an Independent.

I guess he puts the old wet finger to the wind to judge the direction.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 3, 2017 • 2:19:05pm

re: #208 Unshaken Defiance

Golf journalist: At least 8 people heard Trump call the White House a ‘dump’

Current mood

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That White House is a real dump.

ALAN SHIPNUCK: Yeah, I had a conversation with Ms. Hicks as well, which was quite enlightening — the confrontational and rude tone of the phone call. They definitely don’t waste any time trying to be charming or friendly, these people in the White House communications department. She tried the same line on me, “That’s a lie and needs to be retracted.” I explained to her: It’s not a lie. The president said this in front of eight or nine members and staffers at [Trump] Bedminster. It was his first visit to the club after he had been residing in the White House. It was a moment of candor. Someone who was a part of that conversation relayed it to me. I found this person to be an extremely credible source on any number of topics.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Aug 3, 2017 • 2:19:38pm

re: #210 Barefoot Grin

If anyone is thinking of watching Trump’s campaign rally event in WV I’d suggest to listen very, very carefully to see if you can detect any truths.

Do we have to be sober? (Asking for all lizards).

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whitebeach  Aug 3, 2017 • 2:21:55pm

re: #171 MsJ

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Jesus Christ. I finally finish with the laser cataract surgery, pure success, spend a day reading a book in 10-point type without glasses for the first time in more than thirty years, then crank up my favorite website and this is what I have to look at? I’m calling the eye doc to have the procedure reversed and the animal shelter to get a retired guide dog with severe glaucoma.

PS, what is it with these billionaires and their tiny mitts?

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Skip Intro  Aug 3, 2017 • 2:22:42pm

re: #123 b.d. (bill d.)

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Jim Justice, Gov. of WVLooks like the Dems lost a real winner here.

Jim Hoft’s dad?

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MsJ  Aug 3, 2017 • 2:23:23pm

re: #213 I Would Prefer Not To

Do we have to be sober? (Asking for all lizards).

There’s not enough alcohol in the world that would let me watch trump. Ever.

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dangerman  Aug 3, 2017 • 2:25:02pm

re: #214 whitebeach

Jesus Christ. I finally finish with the laser cataract surgery, pure success, spend a day reading a book in 10-point type without glasses for the first time in more than thirty years, then crank up my favorite website and this is what I have to look at? I’m calling the eye doc to have the procedure reversed and the animal shelter to get a retired guide dog with severe glaucoma.

PS, what is it with these billionaires and their tiny mitts?

careful there, dont go making a spectacle of yourself (sorry)

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Jay C  Aug 3, 2017 • 2:27:22pm

re: #210 Barefoot Grin

If anyone is thinking of watching Trump’s campaign rally event in WV I’d suggest to listen very, very carefully to see if you can detect any truths.

1, I’m wondering why you would think there would be much of an audience here for another Presidential fecal-flood? In real-time, anyway: we can always be appropriately appalled via media/online recaps….

2. I’m guessing the Mueller/grand-jury revelation is going to drive whatever BS Trump hokes up in WV right off the news - except for Fox, naturally* ; which, of course, will probably trigger another unhinged Tweetstorm from the Executive Toilet Mansion tomorrow morning. Unless Gen. Kelly is right there to confiscate his cellphone….

* who will probably go with minute-by-minute coverage punctuated with breathless admiration: followed by a couple of hours of adulatory “analysis” by blond talking-heads back at their studios. Followed by more hours of studious outrage at Hillary Clinton’s email “crimes”, and “why isn’t Susan Rice in jail?”

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whitebeach  Aug 3, 2017 • 2:27:40pm

re: #217 dangerman

careful there, dont go making a spectacle of yourself (sorry)

Kinda cornea you to make a pun like that.

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Lidane  Aug 3, 2017 • 2:27:55pm

Freepers are in full meltdown over Mueller’s grand jury and the subpoenas.

I’d gather a bunch of quotes, but that would require focus instead of laughing my ass off at their butthurt.

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dangerman  Aug 3, 2017 • 2:30:03pm

re: #219 whitebeach

Kinda cornea you to make a pun like that.

didnt see that coming ;-)

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ObserverArt  Aug 3, 2017 • 2:32:05pm

So, Ty Cobb hasn’t realized that Mueller does have a new Grand Jury. He set a new one up for his own use as he was using the one in Virginia that we had heard about when he was first put into position. I guess he figures he needs a special one as he must have a lot of items to run by them.

I get the feeling today is going to be a day we mark down as a real solid change in Trump world. Now we get to watch the scrambling, the resignations, the butt kissing, the dividing of sides…and the tear in the ship that really starts the water flowing in.

I bet tonights rally is really going to be crazy. Trump is going to hear this and he is going to ramble all night long.

It will not be pretty. They may have to get the guys in the white coats to come on stage and take him away…uh, peacefully.

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jaunte  Aug 3, 2017 • 2:33:56pm
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darthstar  Aug 3, 2017 • 2:34:53pm

re: #223 jaunte

Nice of him to point out a window where there was something to hide.

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jaunte  Aug 3, 2017 • 2:35:43pm

re: #224 darthstar

“There is obviously nothing under the bed.”

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freetoken  Aug 3, 2017 • 2:36:10pm

re: #218 Jay C

Yeah, I’m kind of thinking Kelly is really trying to hide the phone right now. His best diversion is to show Trump a catalog for golf clubs.

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darthstar  Aug 3, 2017 • 2:36:12pm

re: #224 darthstar

Nice of him to point out a window where there was something to hide.

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jaunte  Aug 3, 2017 • 2:36:56pm
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darthstar  Aug 3, 2017 • 2:37:42pm
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ObserverArt  Aug 3, 2017 • 2:38:13pm

re: #223 jaunte

.@JaySekulow: “To look at a real estate deal from 10 years ago… would be way outside the scope of the mandate.”

What a hack.

Uh, Jay…what if Mueller has discovered that something he was looking at that is a real part of the investigation led him to Trump’s shaky real estate deals no matter how far back they go?

I know you have a job to do Jay, but keep in mind not everyone in America is a FOX News sponge that doesn’t have a brain and doesn’t ask questions.

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freetoken  Aug 3, 2017 • 2:38:36pm

KELLY: “Here Mr. President, here’s the latest Callaway catalog. Oh, and here’s the latest Playboy Japan - they still have naked women in it.”

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Lidane  Aug 3, 2017 • 2:42:45pm

re: #223 jaunte

I’m sorry. I can’t take Sekulow seriously. He looks like the Blue-Haired Lawyer on The Simpsons:

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KGxvi  Aug 3, 2017 • 2:43:21pm

I mentioned this morning that I was thinking about doing a weekly page on important Supreme Court decisions, figured I’d give it a try and just published the first. I figured I’d start at the beginning and went with Marbury v. Madison.

Given the grand jury news, maybe I should have gone with US v Nixon?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 3, 2017 • 2:45:33pm

Evening Lizardim.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 3, 2017 • 2:46:00pm

CNN: Grand Jury
MSNBC: Grand Jury
Fox News: Do Unicorns Exist?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 3, 2017 • 2:47:57pm

re: #205 Stanley Sea

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Jesus fuck. This is what I miss when I stay up past 11:00 two nights this week for back-to-back Production rollouts and wind up falling asleep after work this afternoon.

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jaunte  Aug 3, 2017 • 2:49:52pm

Command post now operating out of a trailer on the sidewalk.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 3, 2017 • 2:50:00pm

They can’t even rip off the Secret Service right

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Dr. Matt  Aug 3, 2017 • 2:50:57pm

It’s Xmas in August!

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EPR-radar  Aug 3, 2017 • 2:53:52pm

re: #223 jaunte

Most likely tr*mp is totally owned by Putin et al., and has been for many years. IMO any tr*mp financial dealings from after he became radioactive for US banks are easily within the proper scope of the investigation.

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makeitstop  Aug 3, 2017 • 2:54:41pm

Greetz from Wherever the hell I am, Connecticut!

So…grand jury, huh? I’ll bet it’ll be the grandest jury, amirite? LOL

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sagehen  Aug 3, 2017 • 2:55:56pm

re: #233 KGxvi

I mentioned this morning that I was thinking about doing a weekly page on important Supreme Court decisions, figured I’d give it a try and just published the first. I figured I’d start at the beginning and went with Marbury v. Madison.

Given the grand jury news, maybe I should have gone with US v Nixon?

Nah, you hadda start with this one.

It’s why the Supreme Court even matters; it’s why Congress and the President can’t just do whatever they hell they’re able to talk each other into.

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MsJ  Aug 3, 2017 • 2:56:14pm

re: #240 EPR-radar

Most likely tr*mp is totally owned by Putin et al., and has been for many years. IMO any tr*mp financial dealings from after he became radioactive for US banks are easily within the proper scope of the investigation.

Doesn’t someone very presidential candidates? FBI? Someone?

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MsJ  Aug 3, 2017 • 2:57:27pm

re: #243 MsJ

Doesn’t someone very presidential candidates? FBI? Someone?

Damnit. VET not very. Doesn’t anyone vet POTUS candidates?

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sagehen  Aug 3, 2017 • 2:58:51pm

re: #244 MsJ

Damnit. VET not very. Doesn’t anyone vet POTUS candidates?

In future, yes.

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 3, 2017 • 2:59:28pm

re: #244 MsJ

Damnit. VET not very. Doesn’t anyone vet POTUS candidates?

Yes, their opponents.

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dangerman  Aug 3, 2017 • 2:59:37pm

re: #228 jaunte

“To look at a real estate deal from 10 years ago… would be way outside the scope of the mandate.”

Olbermann: And of course he means a Special Counsel investigating the 1978 real estate deal called “Whitewater,” in 1998.

wait, there’s a precedent??
who knew?

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SteelPH  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:00:46pm

re: #244 MsJ

Yes. But only Democratic candidates.

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makeitstop  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:01:08pm

re:

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:02:35pm

Man, no new news since I went to go prune the olive tree.

Although. Umm. There’s this?

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Myron Falwell  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:04:11pm

re: #241 makeitstop

Greetz from Wherever the hell I am, Connecticut!

So…grand jury, huh? I’ll bet it’ll be the grandest jury, amirite? LOL

It will be the greatest, most luxurious grand jury ever!

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freetoken  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:04:47pm

Trump has the best grand juries. Big grand juries.

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Kragar  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:08:24pm
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nines09  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:08:28pm

re: #171 MsJ

Holy Cow. Nature gives you so much, the rest is up to you…..His wardrobe hit a bridge abutment at 104 MPH…Holy Cow…

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:08:48pm

re: #252 freetoken

Trump has the best grand juries. Big grand juries.

The most beautiful grand juries. After dinner, we had this big, beautiful grand jury.

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wrenchwench  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:10:12pm

re: #255 Ace Rothstein

The most beautiful grand juries. After dinner, we had this big, beautiful grand jury.

With two scoops of subpoenas!

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caseyjr  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:13:18pm

re: #184 b.d. (bill d.)

Goodyear…

Omar the Tentmaker

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Bubblehead II  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:13:37pm

re: #256 wrenchwench

With two scoops of subpoenas!

Actually I think it’s up to 3

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:13:51pm

re: #256 wrenchwench

With two scoops of subpoenas!

And chocolate syrup of testimony!

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makeitstop  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:14:14pm

re: #254 nines09

Holy Cow. Nature gives you so much, the rest is up to you…..His wardrobe hit a bridge abutment at 104 MPH…Holy Cow…

That’s the guy? They can have him.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:14:32pm
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Ace Rothstein  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:15:57pm

re: #261 Charles Johnson

This fucking guy.

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makeitstop  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:17:14pm

Okay, off to sound check. These gigs are like being shot out of a cannon.

Be back later for the WV meltdown recap.

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wrenchwench  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:18:09pm

re: #259 Ace Rothstein

And chocolate syrup of testimony!

The sprinkling of nuts might kill a person, though.

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Targetpractice  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:18:26pm

I’m old enough to remember when the rumors that the DOJ had impaneled a grand jury to look into Hillary’s emails was treated as evidence of her “guilt” and the reason she needed to drop from the race in favor of Bernie.

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freetoken  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:19:29pm

Slightly but not totally off topic, given One Nation’s affection for Trump, I tweeted this reply to Prof Cox earlier today:

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stpaulbear  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:20:43pm

It actually sounds like the secret service was sub-letting space from some other rich asshole. You’d think that Trump might rather put them up for free rather than having them in a trailer 50 floors down..

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Kragar  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:21:36pm

re: #267 stpaulbear

It actually sounds like the secret service was sub-letting space from some other rich asshole. You’d think that Trump might rather put them up for free rather than having them in a trailer 50 floors down..

No, I think Trump would try to fuck over tax payers for every dime he can get from them

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stpaulbear  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:23:05pm

re: #268 Kragar

Yeah, I should have added sarc tags.

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caseyjr  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:23:33pm

re: #232 Lidane

I’m sorry. I can’t take Sekulow seriously. He looks like the Blue-Haired Lawyer on The Simpsons:

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remember the old proverb, a Sekulow goes halfway around the world before the truth can put its boots on.

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MsJ  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:24:32pm

I’m expecting the “fuck all y’all I’m too good for you you don’t deserve me I quit” speech from trump any day now.

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Targetpractice  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:25:44pm

re: #268 Kragar

No, I think Trump would try to fuck over tax payers for every dime he can get from them

Trump has approached the presidency the same way he approaches everything: As a means to further enrich himself and his family. Since the GOP is ever so eager to look into “wasteful spending,” perhaps they might conduct an investigation into why the taxpayers are paying for the SS to lease space in Trump Tower.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:26:28pm

re: #271 MsJ

I’m expecting the “fuck all y’all I’m too good for you you don’t deserve me I quit” speech from trump any day now.

Fuck you, fuck you, did fuck you, you’re cool, fuck you, I’M OUT.

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Targetpractice  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:27:27pm

re: #271 MsJ

I’m expecting the “fuck all y’all I’m too good for you you don’t deserve me I quit” speech from trump any day now.

That’s the way I see all this ending, Trump resigning in exchange for Pence pardoning him. Then we’ll be told that we as a nation need to “move on” and accept that Trump won’t face a day in jail for any of his crimes.

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ObserverArt  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:28:26pm

re: #261 Charles Johnson

Whoa.

I wish the Secret Service just packed up and went back to the White House. Fuck Trump and his stupid Tower.

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gocart mozart  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:29:42pm

Interstinger and interestinger

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451_Montag  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:30:16pm

re: #275 ObserverArt

I wish the Secret Service just packed up and went back to the White House. Fuck Trump and his stupid Tower.

And locked all the doors and windows while BLOTUS is out.

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Semper Fi  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:30:36pm

re: #271 MsJ

I’m expecting the “fuck all y’all I’m too good for you you don’t deserve me I quit” speech from trump any day now.

That is a pleasant thought

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dangerman  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:31:44pm

re: #272 Targetpractice

Trump has approached the presidency the same way he approaches everything: As a means to further enrich himself and his family. Since the GOP is ever so eager to look into “wasteful spending,” perhaps they might conduct an investigation into why the taxpayers are paying for the SS to lease space in Trump Tower.

and there’s a winner

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ObserverArt  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:32:04pm

I am liking Ari Melber. He doesn’t hesitate stopping a guest from going off track. And he is quite snappy about how he gets after them. He makes them stick to the question and topic asked and doesn’t allow them to go off and run some BS trying to twist things.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:33:51pm

re: #276 gocart mozart

Interstinger and interestinger

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And more

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dangerman  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:33:53pm

re: #280 ObserverArt

I am liking Ari Melber. He doesn’t hesitate stopping a guest from going off track. And he is quite snappy about how he gets after them. He makes them stick to the question and topic asked and doesn’t allow them to go off and run some BS trying to twist things.

journalist acting like journalist

whodathunk?

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William Lewis  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:34:22pm

re: #271 MsJ

I’m expecting the “fuck all y’all I’m too good for you you don’t deserve me I quit” speech from trump any day now.

That’s only good if he takes the far more dangerous Pence with his incompetent ass.

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nines09  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:34:36pm

re: #260 makeitstop

That’s the guy? They can have him.

‘The day the eyes died…..”

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MsJ  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:34:36pm

re: #274 Targetpractice

That’s the way I see all this ending, Trump resigning in exchange for Pence pardoning him. Then we’ll be told that we as a nation need to “move on” and accept that Trump won’t face a day in jail for any of his crimes.

FUCK THAT! None of that moving on shit. Consequences. There has got to be consequences.

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ObserverArt  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:35:24pm

re: #282 dangerman

journalist acting like journalist

whodathunk?

And he is a lawyer and seems to know his shit about law…so not only a journalist…a journalist that knows his subjects.

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KGxvi  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:35:45pm

re: #250 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’d say I was shocked, but… is anyone really shocked that Bibi turned out to be a corrupt hack?

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Bubblehead II  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:36:09pm

re: #277 451_Montag

And locked all the doors and windows while BLOTUS is out.

Don’t forget the super glue in the door locks as well.

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A dark and stormy covfefe  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:36:32pm

Texas Man makes a valiant effort to usurp Florida Man.

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KGxvi  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:38:13pm

re: #283 William Lewis

That’s only good if he takes the far more dangerous Pence with his incompetent ass.

I don’t know… if Pence goes too, that leaves us with President Ryan (excuse me while I swallow some vomit). Ryan would get too much of a “fresh start”/”no ties to the prior administration” honeymoon. Pence comes in with everyone watching his punk ass for even the slightest slip up (and is likely beat in the 2020 primary, whereas Ryan will get the incumbent deference in 2020 barring major stupidity on his part)

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Myron Falwell  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:38:50pm

re: #281 Stanley Sea

“Mercer family…” as in Breitbart bankroller Robert Mercer?

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ObserverArt  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:39:13pm

re: #283 William Lewis

That’s only good if he takes the far more dangerous Pence with his incompetent ass.

I know many wish that…but I see no clear way to take Pence out before Trump.

Got any scenarios?

What I am hoping is Pence has kissed enough Trump ass and danced around all this too long to be taken seriously from here on out. I think he too will be damaged and if he hangs as President he will be ineffectual. And, hopefully* the Dems can get the House back in 2018 making Pence a dud right off.

*If the Democrats can get their shit together and keep the Berners from damaging our chances.

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Robert O.  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:39:25pm

All I can say is, hang on tight for the next 3-1/2 years. It won’t be pretty. Nothing is going to get done (which ordinarily may not be a bad thing considering what is in the GOP agenda). US foreign relations are screwed for the duration of this Presidency. Trust is a necessary currency in order for leaders to discuss and negotiate. Other than by necessity, no one will work with the US for the next 3-1/2 years, and no one will say anything confidential because there is a good probability it will be leaked.

Chump should be a case study for all companies on how NOT to run an organization. Just ask yourself, if the boss you report to at your place of work does what Chump does every day - belittle people, insult everybody, lie, distort, and tries to get other people to along - would you have ANY respect for your boss? No, you wouldn’t. More than likely, you’ll look for any ways to get even, which is why all these leaks are happening. You cannot run a government with the type of work environment that Chump has created at the Executive branch. This means nothing productive will ever get done. I am not expecting any major pieces of legislation to be inspired by this White House. I am not expecting any foreign policy achievements. It’s going to be like this for the next 3-1/2 years.

And that is a very long time. The world is going to move on without the US. The US will increasingly find itself on the sidelines. I expect Russia and China will be looking at this as a golden opportunity to press the advantage, to try to create a new world order that is more in their favor. They will do this knowing that all countries, friendly or hostile to the US, will have communications problems with the US leadership so long as Chump is in Office. So this is going to be very damaging.

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Myron Falwell  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:39:40pm

re: #290 KGxvi

Isn’t Orrin Hatch #3 on the line of succession?

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Decatur Deb  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:39:57pm

re: #290 KGxvi

I don’t know… if Pence goes too, that leaves us with President Ryan (excuse me while I swallow some vomit). Ryan would get too much of a “fresh start”/”no ties to the prior administration” honeymoon. Pence comes in with everyone watching his punk ass for even the slightest slip up (and is likely beat in the 2020 primary, whereas Ryan will get the incumbent deference in 2020 barring major stupidity on his part)

Unless we short-circuit the succession by taking the House in 2018. Time to lace up the tennis shoes and go for the wallet.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:40:32pm
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gocart mozart  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:41:40pm

re: #191 jaunte

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:41:43pm

re: #296 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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Torch tower. It’s like they were TRYING to cause a calamity.

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sagehen  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:42:31pm

re: #267 stpaulbear

It actually sounds like the secret service was sub-letting space from some other rich asshole. You’d think that Trump might rather put them up for free rather than having them in a trailer 50 floors down..

No, the rich guy sublet was the military people (the “football”); the article in the Hill also says they’re paying more than other similar space in the building ($130K/month. Amazing). Secret Service was renting from the Trump Organization directly, and he tried to jack the price. (more proof, if we even needed it, that he’s not worth anywhere near the 10 billion he claims — if he had that kind of money, a million a year for a command post for the people who’d stand between him and a bullet, or between his family and a bullet… would be something he wouldn’t blink at covering out of his own pocket.

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freetoken  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:42:36pm

DW just put up a documentary that may have some relevance to our current situation:

Collapse of the Soviet Union | DW Documentary

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Myron Falwell  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:43:16pm

re: #274 Targetpractice

That’s the way I see all this ending, Trump resigning in exchange for Pence pardoning him. Then we’ll be told that we as a nation need to “move on” and accept that Trump won’t face a day in jail for any of his crimes.

For some reason, I have a hunch that Pence will leave Trump and his sycophants out to dry, as a means of advancing himself.

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KGxvi  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:43:49pm

re: #294 Myron Falwell

Isn’t Orrin Hatch #3 on the line of succession?

President, Vice President, Speaker of the House, President Pro Tem of the Senate, Secretary of State, rest of cabinet by date office was created.

President Pro Tem is traditionally given to the Senator with the most seniority in the majority party. However, that’s just tradition. I’m not sure what the Senate rules are on electing a President Pro Tem, but I could see a scenario where they’d hold a new vote because I’m not sure we want an 83 year old president taking office in the middle of a constitutional crisis.

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ObserverArt  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:43:52pm

re: #296 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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Oh no! I hope this isn’t another funky building clad in plastics going up like a roman candle.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:44:38pm

re: #291 Myron Falwell

“Mercer family…” as in Breitbart bankroller Robert Mercer?

Yup

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No Depression  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:45:21pm

re: #250 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Man, no new news since I went to go prune the olive tree.

Although. Umm. There’s this?

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This day just keeps getting better.

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MsJ  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:47:05pm

re: #303 ObserverArt

Oh no! I hope this isn’t another funky building clad in plastics going up like a roman candle.

It’s the same building that caught fire in 2015. A slim section is in fire going up a good 15-20 stories. And it looks eerily Grenfell. Just not as need yet.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:47:26pm

re: #305 No Depression

This day just keeps getting better.

As America’s reputation slides towards Nigeria. At this point we are calling fire on our own position. And that’s for the best.

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bratwurst  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:48:19pm

This is a rather dubious source, being a former Breitbart scribe now writing for “Conservative Review”…but I share it as evidence that there are forces inside the administration who want McMaster gone.

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ObserverArt  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:50:18pm

Here is a link to The Sun from England that appears to have some video. I just found it and thought some might want to check it out. Looks bad.

Link to Sun Coverage of Dubai Fire

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MsJ  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:50:24pm

re: #308 bratwurst

This is a rather dubious source, being a former Breitbart scribe now writing for “Conservative Review”…but I share it as evidence that there are forces inside the administration who want McMaster gone.

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Why do you think that? Did you miss Miller’s comments about those “cosmopolitans”? I think more people feel that way than not, including trump himself. Jared doesn’t count.

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William Lewis  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:50:37pm

re: #307 Decatur Deb

As America’s reputation slides towards Nigeria. At this point we are calling fire on our own position. And that’s for the best.

Maxim 20. If you’re not willing to shell your own position, you’re not willing to win.

The Seventy Maxims of Maximally Effective Mercenaries

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fern01  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:50:40pm

re: #61 ObserverArt

Shoot, I was hoping he would say he is resigning due to the fact that he is too good for all of us ungrateful Americans and we don’t appreciate his presidential mastery.

Edit…redo the wrong do/due.

Yes Please and If only

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bratwurst  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:51:29pm
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Renaissance_Man  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:54:52pm

re: #127 steve_davis

okay. i remembered the part about the alcohol, but I’d forgotten that basically, after the ship had broken in half and the front end started going down, he climbed over the rail on the front of the ship and rode that sucker down “like an elevator” until the ship went under, at which point, he was able to keep his head out of the water and swim about for the better part of two hours WITHOUT GETTING HYPOTERMIA or having his legs destroyed from the cold. I’m assuming that he imbibed so much alcohol of sufficient proof that it basically acted as anti-freeze.

Alcohol doesn’t actually work like that. More likely he was one of those people genetically poorly endowed with cryoglobulins and otherwise blessed to have good function even in extreme cold.

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Ace-o-aces  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:54:53pm

re: #308 bratwurst

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:57:31pm

re: #311 William Lewis

Maxim 20. If you’re not willing to shell your own position, you’re not willing to win.

The Seventy Maxims of Maximally Effective Mercenaries

Artillery exists to launch large chunks of budget at an enemy they can’t see.

I need to bookmark this. I’m dying.

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ObserverArt  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:57:52pm

So good old weirdo Carter Page is back in the news.

The fact they have been watching him in association with Trump since 2014 is a big deal in my eyes. Our intelligence folks may have known the root of all of this all along. Could be why and how they found the hacking. They may have been watching and waiting.

What a day.

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bratwurst  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:58:13pm

re: #310 MsJ

Why do you think that? Did you miss Miller’s comments about those “cosmopolitans”? I think more people feel that way than not, including trump himself. Jared doesn’t count.

I did my best to miss as much of that awful person on TV yesterday as possible, but I couldn’t avoid his “cosmopolitan” nonsense. I am sure you are right that a majority of the administration shares those views. The fact McMaster is probably not among them is likely one of the reasons the lunatic fringe is out to get him.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:58:32pm

re: #311 William Lewis

Maxim 20. If you’re not willing to shell your own position, you’re not willing to win.

The Seventy Maxims of Maximally Effective Mercenaries

Good ones in there, 43 is the best.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:59:35pm

re: #319 Decatur Deb

Good ones in there, 43 is the best.

I’m partial to number 61, myself.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 3, 2017 • 3:59:53pm

re: #314 Renaissance_Man

Alcohol doesn’t actually work like that. More likely he was one of those people genetically poorly endowed with cryoglobulins and otherwise blessed to have good function even in extreme cold.

Knowing only that he was a baker, I’m betting he wasn’t svelte. Polar bears are fat for a reason.

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Myron Falwell  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:00:11pm

re: #310 MsJ

Why do you think that? Did you miss Miller’s comments about those “cosmopolitans”? I think more people feel that way than not, including trump himself. Jared doesn’t count.

This is a direct swipe against Kelly. He’s close confidants with McMaster.

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Nyet  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:00:59pm

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fern01  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:01:12pm

re: #85 garzooma

You’re thinking of a normal White House. The current WH has a president who blurts out secrets, hires staff based on loyalty rather than competence, and likes to pit people against each other. Who knows who has access to what?

Seems likely to me that their IT systems have minimal security and folks can find information without any record of who accessed what - can be as simple as staffers sharing a sign in - leaving computers unattended etc etc. Also possible someone has found a back door into the computer systems.

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William Lewis  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:01:15pm

re: #316 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I need to bookmark this. I’m dying.

Be sure to read the web comic then, it’s excellent. & the author is very much one with the Resistance. There are, however, 17 years of daily comics (he’s never missed a day. Ever.)

Start here instead: schlockmercenary.com

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:01:40pm

re: #18 wrenchwench

The telephone is very important to Trump. I think his favorite thing about being president is that it makes people take his calls more often, and hang up on him less often.

Does he love the phone more than Ivanka?

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I cannot.  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:01:45pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:02:05pm

re: #325 William Lewis

Be sure to read the web comic then, it’s excellent. & the author is very much one with the Resistance. There are, however, 17 years of daily comics (he’s never missed a day. Ever.)

Start here instead: schlockmercenary.com

Back issues are never a problem for me. I get bored. A lot.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:02:25pm

re: #320 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I’m partial to number 61, myself.

Been in small rooms with Turks aiming an M203 at me. (It never would have armed, but would have made a hell of a bruise.)

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William Lewis  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:02:37pm

re: #319 Decatur Deb

Good ones in there, 43 is the best.

Yep. That’s a lesson more need to learn.

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MsJ  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:02:54pm

re: #318 bratwurst

I did my best to miss as much of that awful person on TV yesterday, but I couldn’t avoid his “cosmopolitan” nonsense. I am sure you are right that a majority of the administration shares those views. The fact McMaster is probably not among them is likely one of the reasons the lunatic fringe is out to get him.

I recall trump saying something along the lines of how much he likes Jews when they do his finances. I’m sure he could have easily added because they’re cosmopolitan.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:03:31pm

re: #323 Nyet

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You have weird acquaintances.

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William Lewis  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:03:47pm

re: #320 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I’m partial to number 61, myself.

I like 70. It’s a fairly obvious statement but it’s well worded and it resonated with my son, so if he remembers it, that’s a good thing.

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KGxvi  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:04:07pm

re: #317 ObserverArt

So good old weirdo Carter Page is back in the news.

The fact they have been watching him in association with Trump since 2014 is a big deal in my eyes. Our intelligence folks may have known the root of all of this all along. Could be why and how they found the hacking. They may have been watching and waiting.

What a day.

I saw this earlier in the week and it still applies:

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:05:36pm

re: #333 William Lewis

I like 70. It’s a fairly obvious statement but it’s well worded and it resonated with my son, so if he remembers it, that’s a good thing.

#17 is one that we use often at work. Alternately phrased as, “No plan survives first contact with the enemy.”

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William Lewis  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:07:07pm

re: #329 Decatur Deb

Been in small rooms with Turks aiming an M203 at me. (It never would have armed, but would have made a hell of a bruise.)

Ouch is right. 15 meters required IIRC? But that’s still got serious crushing damage.

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ObserverArt  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:08:35pm

re: #332 Decatur Deb

You have weird acquaintances.

I picture Sergey at his computer wearing a full hazard suit doing what he does. And the room is flameproof too.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:09:04pm

re: #336 William Lewis

Ouch is right. 15 meters required IIRC? But that’s still got serious crushing damage.

I’m remembering about 20m, if the damn thing arms at all. Big chunks of the Knox ranges were red-boxed because of Cobras in the ’70s.

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Birth Control Works  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:09:37pm

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William Lewis  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:09:45pm

re: #335 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

#17 is one that we use often at work. Alternately phrased as, “No plan survives first contact with the enemy.”

I started quoting #29 here a long time ago. We forget it at our peril in modern politics.

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fern01  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:11:08pm

re: #108 b.d. (bill d.)

LOL, suddenly I have a uneasy feeling about Trump’s “very big announcement” tonight…

Firing Sessions? He seems to want to get into a bigger fight with congress and that would do it.

Edit - I should have kept reading - seems the real announcement has already been leaked - is nothing to remain hidden with this lot.

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William Lewis  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:11:28pm

re: #338 Decatur Deb

I’m remembering about 20m, if the damn thing arms at all. Big chunks of the Knox ranges were red-boxed because of Cobras in the ’70s.

There is that problem. I only ever shot the blue ones that powdered on impact for a “poof” cloud to show where you hit. We were never allowed to use the real boom ones because they didn’t want to mess up the live fire ranges with duds. (early-mid 80’s).

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Renaissance_Man  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:11:47pm

re: #285 MsJ

FUCK THAT! None of that moving on shit. Consequences. There has got to be consequences.

There has to be consequences. I actually believe that not only will this end badly one way or another, it must end badly for the US to have a chance. It must end with incarceration, ruin, and quite possibly violence. And I don’t mean just against the bad guys - I think there will have to be significant damage and trauma to innocents and the fabric of US society as a whole, whether that come from financial ruin, war, civil unrest, or the like. If it doesn’t, nothing will change, and the US will slide further towards dictatorship and rogue state status.

Consider the ‘best’ possible scenario. Trump resigns tomorrow, takes his filthy family with him, abandons the US to live in disgrace in Russia. Pence takes over as President, but the Republican brand is damaged enough that they lose the House in 2018, and things bumble along in an ineffectual manner until 2020 when a Democrat becomes President again. America breathes a sigh of relief and tries to pretend that this whole Trump era never happened.

While many might think that would be the most peaceful, realistic and expedient way out of this, I submit that even such a rosy scenario will accomplish nothing. And I say so because the underlying problems that created Trump will continue unabated. The cult media will be ecstatic that they can continue to foment hatred and further entrench their hold on their cult - it’s a more natural position for them anyway. The mainstream media will congratulate themselves mightily, proclaim that journalism ultimately won, and then go about echoing made-up cult attacks on Democrats and America in general just as they have always done in order to seem ‘balanced’. The conservative cult will feel even more aggrieved and angry, and be allowed to continue in their delusion that Trump wuz robbed, and he wasn’t a real conservative anyway, and liberals are an even greater enemy, and so on. The hatred during the Obama years will seem like a gentle breeze, much as Clinton hatred was positively pedestrian compared to how much anger and hate they felt during the Obama years. And while it will be hard to find a worse person than Trump to be the next American dictator, they will find another dictator, and the next one won’t be anywhere near as stupid, and will probably be a true believer.

For America to have a chance, this must end so badly that the American culture collectively says, ‘never again’. Trumpism must be a shame that people are afraid to bring up around the dinner table, afraid to talk about in public. Americans must think of the time they watched the rise of a dictator in real time and how much it hurt their wallet, their heart, and themselves, and feel that sense of revulsion. Only then will this beast be made to lie dormant for a few generations.

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Birth Control Works  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:12:47pm

re: #326 The Vicious Babushka

Does he love the phone more than Ivanka?

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This is almost sinister.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:13:02pm

re: #342 William Lewis

There is that problem. I only ever shot the blue ones that powdered on impact for a “poof” cloud to show where you hit. We were never allowed to use the real boom ones because they didn’t want to mess up the live fire ranges with duds. (early-mid 80’s).

A 13-yr old girl picked one up while her dad was fishing one of the lakes.

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William Lewis  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:14:00pm

re: #345 Decatur Deb

A 13-yr old girl picked one up while her dad was fishing one of the lakes.

Oy!

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EPR-radar  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:14:54pm

re: #285 MsJ

FUCK THAT! None of that moving on shit. Consequences. There has got to be consequences.

Nixon not going to jail for his crimes is part of how we ended up with this tr*mp stain all over everything.

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Ace-o-aces  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:15:18pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:17:22pm

re: #339 Birth Control Works

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“But I thought you Democrats LIKED regulations!”

Or…

“What’s wrong with trying to make them safer?”

Grrrrrrrrr…..

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MsJ  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:19:33pm

re: #343 Renaissance_Man

I agree. Unfortunately.

Fox needs to die a quic death. REPUBLICANS need to stop being beholden to the crazies. We need to go back to normal governing. People can work their differences and make legislation stronger.

The extremes on both side need to be marginalized.

If we have to build US from the ground up, to gain the trust of allies, so be it.

And we need safeguards in place so another trump never happens again.

.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:21:23pm

re: #351 MsJ

I agree. Unfortunately.

Fox needs to die a quic death. REPUBLICANS need to stop being beholden to the crazies. We need to go back to normal governing. People can work their differences and make legislation stronger.

The extremes on both side need to be marginalized.

If we have to build US from the ground up, to gain the trust of allies, so be it.

And we need safeguards in place so another trump never happens again.

.

We’re very needy.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:26:22pm
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Birth Control Works  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:26:45pm

bbl

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:27:03pm
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FormerDirtDart  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:27:44pm
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CBGB  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:28:44pm

Put me in the ‘releasing the transcripts sets an awful precedent and is another example of norms being stomped on left and right.’

Unpopular I know, but we all know how uninformed and unprepared Trump is for the presidency by now. Minds weren’t going to be changed because of this.

We aren’t trying to destroy something, we’re trying to save something. The hit to future diplomacy was too much.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:28:46pm
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Decatur Deb  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:29:00pm

re: #353 FormerDirtDart

Facts are so 2016.

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gocart mozart  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:29:05pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:29:51pm
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FormerDirtDart  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:31:22pm
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Decatur Deb  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:32:37pm

re: #357 CBGB

Put me in the ‘releasing the transcripts sets an awful precedent and is another example of norms being stomped on left and right.’

Unpopular I know, but we all know how uninformed and unprepared Trump is for the presidency by now. Minds weren’t going to be changed because of this.

We aren’t trying to destroy something, we’re trying to save something. The hit to future diplomacy was too much.

Agree, but none of this should have happened. And it did.

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gocart mozart  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:32:45pm
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Charles Johnson  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:34:13pm
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A dark and stormy covfefe  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:34:20pm

re: #355 FormerDirtDart

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gocart mozart  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:35:24pm
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Kragar  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:36:27pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:36:58pm

re: #366 Charles Johnson

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What are you talking about? He’s got 1% of his goal with 177 days left. If he keeps up that pace, he’ll reach 177% of his goal. He’s doing amazing, raising bigly money!

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wrenchwench  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:38:18pm

re: #356 FormerDirtDart

[At Trump Rally, daughter-in-law @LaraLeaTrump decries “crazy story about Russia.” Says “it’s so crazy you have no idea.”]

Wrong pronoun in there. SHE has no idea.

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gocart mozart  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:38:23pm

Perhaps the greatest catch ever

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Charles Johnson  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:38:26pm
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Major Tom  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:38:59pm

Holy crap the Trump rally right now…

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Charles Johnson  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:39:00pm

re: #371 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Actually, it’s been posted for a week already.

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Bubblehead II  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:40:12pm

re: #320 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I’m partial to number 61, myself.

#64. An ounce of sniper is worth a pound of suppressing fire

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Decatur Deb  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:40:40pm

re: #375 Major Tom

Holy crap the Trump rally right now…

Tell the story. Mime if you must.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:41:34pm

re: #376 Charles Johnson

Actually, it’s been posted for a week already.

Well, then, uhh… HILLARY’S EMAILS!!!!!

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Kragar  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:41:50pm
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EPR-radar  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:42:07pm

re: #357 CBGB

Put me in the ‘releasing the transcripts sets an awful precedent and is another example of norms being stomped on left and right.’

Unpopular I know, but we all know how uninformed and unprepared Trump is for the presidency by now. Minds weren’t going to be changed because of this.

We aren’t trying to destroy something, we’re trying to save something. The hit to future diplomacy was too much.

Respectfully disagree. Everything short of actual violence is fair game to use in resistance to tr*mp and his gang of thugs.

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Targetpractice  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:43:27pm

re: #366 Charles Johnson

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$295? That wouldn’t cover a night’s stay at even a 2 star hotel in D.C. proper.

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Renaissance_Man  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:43:41pm

re: #368 gocart mozart

The reality is that you only get to be that narcissistic and self-absorbed when you don’t have any friends in your formative years. I would bet that the child Donald Trump was a miserable and lonely individual.

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Kragar  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:44:28pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:44:31pm

re: #381 EPR-radar

Respectfully disagree. Everything short of actual violence is fair game to use in resistance to tr*mp and his gang of thugs.

YouTube

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William Lewis  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:44:52pm

re: #373 gocart mozart

Perhaps the greatest catch ever

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We had quite the discussion about it the other night…

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ObserverArt  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:45:27pm

re: #357 CBGB

Put me in the ‘releasing the transcripts sets an awful precedent and is another example of norms being stomped on left and right.’

Unpopular I know, but we all know how uninformed and unprepared Trump is for the presidency by now. Minds weren’t going to be changed because of this.

We aren’t trying to destroy something, we’re trying to save something. The hit to future diplomacy was too much.

I think it too early to make that judgment until we know who did it. There are too may variables and we do not know how compromised Trump is.

I said earlier they could have been provided from the other parties, maybe they leaked them.

Or, how do we know the Russians are not so connected they have the transcripts and they released them. Trump just signed the sanctions…and the transcripts were just released.

Nothing normal is going on here. It’s all new territory and shows the issues of a president being compromised.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:45:42pm

re: #383 Renaissance_Man

The reality is that you only get to be that narcissistic and self-absorbed when you don’t have any friends in your formative years. I would bet that the child Donald Trump was a miserable and lonely individual.

Well, grownup Trump sure is.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:46:57pm

re: #387 ObserverArt

I think it too early to make that judgment until we know who did it. There are too may variables and we do not know how compromised Trump is.

I said earlier they could have been provided from the other parties, maybe they leaked them.

Or, how do we know the Russians are not so connected they have the transcripts and they released them. Trump just signed the sanctions…and the transcripts were just released.

Nothing normal is going on here. It’s all new territory and shows the issues of a president being compromised.

It has been pointed out that these transcripts came out immediately after two Bannonites got the boot from the NSC.

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EPR-radar  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:48:13pm

re: #385 Blind Frog Belly White

I overstated my position in #381 — tr*mp and company should get the benefit of due process of law as they are (hopefully) tried for their crimes.

However, leaking the transcripts of tr*mp’s call with foreign leaders was a positive development. The hard core tr*mpists won’t care, but it does make it more difficult for the enablers and both-siderists to normalize tr*mp.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:49:57pm
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Skip Intro  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:53:54pm

re: #384 Kragar

I thought the WV governor was a billionaire. What’s this us common everyday Americans crap? Are the people of WV that stupid?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:54:20pm

re: #392 Skip Intro

I thought the WV governor was a billionaire. What’s this us common everyday Americans crap? Are the people of WV that stupid?

Unfortunately, yes.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:54:54pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:55:00pm

re: #390 EPR-radar

I overstated my position in #381 — tr*mp and company should get the benefit of due process of law as they are (hopefully) tried for their crimes.

However, leaking the transcripts of tr*mp’s call with foreign leaders was a positive development. The hard core tr*mpists won’t care, but it does make it more difficult for the enablers and both-siderists to normalize tr*mp.

I can’t agree, because of the precedent it establishes. Whatever else Trump is, he IS the President, and will be until he resigns, is removed, completes his term, or dies. The President - whoever he might be - needs to be able to have private conversations with other heads of state. By accepting this, because it makes Trump look bad, means we are in no position to object if its OUR ox being gored.

This doesn’t just damage Trump. It damages the Presidency.

And yeah, I’ll admit - I glanced through the transcripts.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:55:29pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:57:29pm

re: #392 Skip Intro

I thought the WV governor was a billionaire. What’s this us common everyday Americans crap? Are the people of WV that stupid?

Yes. Yes, they are. They believed him when he said he’d bring back the coal mines, and that Obama had waged war on coal, when really it was natural gas.

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Renaissance_Man  Aug 3, 2017 • 4:59:39pm

re: #387 ObserverArt

I think it too early to make that judgment until we know who did it. There are too may variables and we do not know how compromised Trump is.

I said earlier they could have been provided from the other parties, maybe they leaked them.

Or, how do we know the Russians are not so connected they have the transcripts and they released them. Trump just signed the sanctions…and the transcripts were just released.

Nothing normal is going on here. It’s all new territory and shows the issues of a president being compromised.

Your last paragraph is very true. It’s not normal and he’s obviously compromised in many ways.

But I must agree, I think leaking transcripts of such conversations isn’t good. Even a ‘freedom fighter’ in the Trump White House doing so is a serious breach of trust with other nations, regardless of how much it damages Trump. Other nations already can’t trust the US, and they just got more evidence that even anti-Trump people, if one of them is the leak, can’t be trusted.

The other countries in those calls would not have leaked the transcripts, mostly because it’s such a breach of trust to do so. These other nations have more or less functioning governments, and to undermine their own leaders and world diplomacy (think any other country would trust them if they did that?) just to fuck with Trump is not going to be something they would do.

If Russia did it themselves, that would be also very bad, as further evidence of just how successful this whole Russian operation to destroy the US has been - now they feel free to release such sensitive data, secure in the knowledge that the US is defanged?

None of this is normal, but this is not a good development, mostly because of the implications beyond America’s borders.

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Teukka  Aug 3, 2017 • 5:00:04pm

re: #396 FormerDirtDart

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I betcha the guys in Dubai regret naming the building “torch” right about now…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 3, 2017 • 5:00:05pm

re: #396 FormerDirtDart

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Next time either don’t name it Torch Tower, or don’t build it out of Explodium.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 3, 2017 • 5:00:31pm
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EPR-radar  Aug 3, 2017 • 5:01:00pm

re: #395 Blind Frog Belly White

I can’t agree, because of the precedent it establishes. Whatever else Trump is, he IS the President, and will be until he resigns, is removed, completes his term, or dies. The President - whoever he might be - needs to be able to have private conversations with other heads of state. By accepting this, because it makes Trump look bad, means we are in no position to object if its OUR ox being gored.

This doesn’t just damage Trump. It damages the Presidency.

And yeah, I’ll admit - I glanced through the transcripts.

But we aren’t accepting this merely because it makes tr*mp look bad. It’s evidence that tr*mp is a clear and present danger to everything that needs to be impeached and removed from office as soon as humanly possible. Republicans that stand in the way of that need to be soundly beaten about the head and shoulders with the transcripts and other evidence of tr*mp’s total unfitness for office.

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MsJ  Aug 3, 2017 • 5:03:40pm

So this happened…

Coinkidink?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 3, 2017 • 5:04:53pm

re: #402 EPR-radar

But we aren’t accepting this merely because it makes tr*mp look bad. It’s evidence that tr*mp is a clear and present danger to everything that needs to be impeached and removed from office as soon as humanly possible. Republicans that stand in the way of that need to be soundly beaten about the head and shoulders with the transcripts and other evidence of tr*mp’s total unfitness for office.

You understand that this is the same argument wingnuts use to justify the hacking of the DNC and Podesta, and the release of the emails, right?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 3, 2017 • 5:05:50pm
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Kragar  Aug 3, 2017 • 5:07:31pm
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Timothy Watson  Aug 3, 2017 • 5:07:59pm

re: #397 Blind Frog Belly White

Yes. Yes, they are. They believed him when he said he’d bring back the coal mines, and that Obama had waged war on coal, when really it was natural gas.

And the GOP had no problem encouraging the extraction of natural gas by making fracking regulation-free.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 3, 2017 • 5:08:59pm

re: #407 Kragar

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He seems to be a La-Z-Boy declining.

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Jay C  Aug 3, 2017 • 5:09:06pm

re: #404 MsJ

President Trump on West Virginia’s devastating drug epidemic: “We are going to solve that problem”

I don’t suppose he elaborated on this promise?

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MsJ  Aug 3, 2017 • 5:09:12pm

As to the transcripts, I want to know who and why. If someone from Trump’s team did it, bannon, reince, whomever, that’s the taint of trump and his utter incompetence. That won’t reflect the presidency. If it’s someone else, all bets are off and I think it would be bad Too.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 3, 2017 • 5:10:02pm

re: #408 Timothy Watson

And the GOP had no problem encouraging the extraction of natural gas by making fracking regulation-free.

Because there’s money to be made, and a lot of the people of the coal states really are that stupid.

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MsJ  Aug 3, 2017 • 5:10:48pm

re: #410 Jay C

I don’t suppose he elaborated on this promise?

HAHAHAHAHA!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 3, 2017 • 5:13:18pm

re: #410 Jay C

I don’t suppose he elaborated on this promise?

“…and Mexico’s gonna pay for it!”

or

“…and it’ll be so easy, so easy. Believe me!”

or

“…and I have a plan to do that. I won’t tell it to you because then the drug cartels will know, but it’ll work faster than you can imagine.”

You’ll be off heroin so fast it’ll make your head spin. Then you’ll get the sweats, puke a lot, and feel like you’re dying….

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 3, 2017 • 5:14:08pm

re: #414 gocart mozart

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That would be more impressive if the cannon didn’t fly farther than the tomato.

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Eventual Carrion  Aug 3, 2017 • 5:14:10pm

re: #223 jaunte

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“To look at a real estate deal from 10 years ago… would be way outside the scope of the mandate.”

One word, “Whitewater”

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Eventual Carrion  Aug 3, 2017 • 5:15:57pm

re: #228 jaunte

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Thank you Keith for reminding people. You have more eyes on your posts than I do to mine.

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Ace-o-aces  Aug 3, 2017 • 5:16:04pm
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MsJ  Aug 3, 2017 • 5:17:46pm

re: #419 Ace-o-aces

I guess trump is a uniter.

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majii  Aug 3, 2017 • 5:18:22pm

re: #408 Timothy Watson

“And the GOP had no problem encouraging the extraction of natural gas by making fracking regulation-free.”

Nor did its politicians have any problems making it more difficult for citizens who had been harmed by fracking to sue the energy companies or with them passing laws that make it impossible for citizens to know the chemicals energy companies use in fracking.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Aug 3, 2017 • 5:18:35pm

Are we tired of winning yet?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 3, 2017 • 5:18:57pm
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EPR-radar  Aug 3, 2017 • 5:19:23pm

re: #405 Blind Frog Belly White

You understand that this is the same argument wingnuts use to justify the hacking of the DNC and Podesta, and the release of the emails, right?

Sure. My argument and the wingnuts’ arguments both come down to the ends justifying the means.

The difference is that the wingnut end was illegitimate (i.e., getting that ****** out of the white house), while IMO the end of getting tr*mp out of office is imperative.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 3, 2017 • 5:21:12pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 3, 2017 • 5:21:56pm

re: #425 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Yeah, but winter is coming, therefore global warming is a hoax.

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Bubblehead II  Aug 3, 2017 • 5:22:38pm

Night Lizards. Wish I could leave you with a song

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 3, 2017 • 5:23:12pm

re: #425 klys (maker of Silmarils)

kR6o5+KB6qj0kzOu90yx1AcI7wzVq5gdg9i+6lAG6hK4QmjRPpXcqTMRldYDuJk1OXPBp1gI6TcnhIC9YyVvpg/p9R72tl/g

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 3, 2017 • 5:25:52pm

re: #424 EPR-radar

Sure. My argument and the wingnuts’ arguments both come down to the ends justifying the means.

The difference is that the wingnut end was illegitimate (i.e., getting that ****** out of the white house), while IMO the end of getting tr*mp out of office is imperative.

Okay, I’m not going to take it any farther than this, but once again - you realize THEY claim YOUR ends are illegitimate, right?

I’m concerned that Trump et al. are destroying so many norms that if we also destroy them, we’ll end up with no norms left.

One thing I do as a check on myself is turn the situation around, and ask if I’d be okay with it. Back when Bush was President, a lot of wingnuts objected to the FISA Court system as too onerous a burden on Presidential prerogative. Yet some of these same wingnuts objected to “the President’s Secret Court!!!” when Bill Clinton was President.

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MsJ  Aug 3, 2017 • 5:26:21pm

This guy’s a peach.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 3, 2017 • 5:26:39pm

re: #428 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

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No Depression  Aug 3, 2017 • 5:28:17pm

re: #426 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Yeah, but winter is coming, therefore global warming is a hoax.

“Winter is a Dothraki hoax!”

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 3, 2017 • 5:28:53pm

re: #431 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 3, 2017 • 5:31:03pm
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darthstar  Aug 3, 2017 • 5:31:45pm

Merle’s first ride in the truck

Second ride in the truck.
goo.gl

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ObserverArt  Aug 3, 2017 • 5:35:59pm

re: #398 Renaissance_Man

Your last paragraph is very true. It’s not normal and he’s obviously compromised in many ways.

But I must agree, I think leaking transcripts of such conversations isn’t good. Even a ‘freedom fighter’ in the Trump White House doing so is a serious breach of trust with other nations, regardless of how much it damages Trump. Other nations already can’t trust the US, and they just got more evidence that even anti-Trump people, if one of them is the leak, can’t be trusted.

The other countries in those calls would not have leaked the transcripts, mostly because it’s such a breach of trust to do so. These other nations have more or less functioning governments, and to undermine their own leaders and world diplomacy (think any other country would trust them if they did that?) just to fuck with Trump is not going to be something they would do.

If Russia did it themselves, that would be also very bad, as further evidence of just how successful this whole Russian operation to destroy the US has been - now they feel free to release such sensitive data, secure in the knowledge that the US is defanged?

None of this is normal, but this is not a good development, mostly because of the implications beyond America’s borders.

I brought up earlier: what if this is a chance to kill Hitler?

Do you do it by any means possible or let it go on because it doesn’t follow the law?

And I don’t mean to actually kill. More like what if there were ways for some of the countries worried about Hitler in 1939 to work (conspire if you choose) to take him down politically.

Legal? Probably not?

Moral and Justified? Could be easy to say yes.

And we have history to show there are paths for someone like a Trump to do bad things to a country that can turn and do bad things in the world.

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Major Tom  Aug 3, 2017 • 5:37:00pm

re: #378 Decatur Deb

Tell the story. Mime if you must.

Sorry had to make/eat dinner… I left as they were chanting “Lock her up!”

…You know, 9 months after the election.

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whitebeach  Aug 3, 2017 • 5:37:46pm

re: #373 gocart mozart

Perhaps the greatest catch ever

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I use an ancient OS, so maybe that’s the problem. I click on your posted vid and get the message “The media could not be played.” I wonder how I can post back that in my experience the media can be played like a toy xylophone.

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whitebeach  Aug 3, 2017 • 5:42:35pm

re: #395 Blind Frog Belly White

I can’t agree, because of the precedent it establishes. Whatever else Trump is, he IS the President, and will be until he resigns, is removed, completes his term, or dies. The President - whoever he might be - needs to be able to have private conversations with other heads of state. By accepting this, because it makes Trump look bad, means we are in no position to object if its OUR ox being gored.

This doesn’t just damage Trump. It damages the Presidency.

As president, an important part of his job is to hire people who won’t leak and other people who can stop leaks. He hasn’t. As far as I can see, he’s the one damaging the presidency.

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ObserverArt  Aug 3, 2017 • 5:43:04pm

re: #405 Blind Frog Belly White

You understand that this is the same argument wingnuts use to justify the hacking of the DNC and Podesta, and the release of the emails, right?

Difference being the wingnuts are also allowing an outside agitator nation to do the deed. I think that is the difference EPR is making between someone inside the country or friendly working to help us…not harm…doing the release.

Yeah, this is all nasty and unprecedented in the U.S. It puts a strain on everything, just as we all feared.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 3, 2017 • 5:43:08pm

re: #438 whitebeach

I use an ancient OS, so maybe that’s the problem. I click on your posted vid and get the message “The media could not be played.” I wonder how I can post back that in my experience the media can be played like a toy xylophone.

I got it too, but I think this is the catch in question:

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gocart mozart  Aug 3, 2017 • 5:47:27pm
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gocart mozart  Aug 3, 2017 • 5:49:36pm

re: #441 klys (maker of Silmarils)

That is indeed IT.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 3, 2017 • 5:53:42pm

re: #436 ObserverArt

“Hard cases make bad law.”

But it’s an interesting question what would have happened in the absence of Hitler.

Hitler was only able to rise to power because of how the winners in WWI treated the loser, Germany. It might be that in almost any case, WWII happens. And if it happens without Hitler, maybe Germany doesn’t attack Russia, but instead attacks Great Britain first, leaving America no place from which to launch an invasion of the Continent.

After the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor, I’ve read that Roosevelt et al. struggled with whether to declare war on Germany as well. Hitler saved us having to deal with that by declaring war on us. A less crazy German leader might have held back, and if Britain were already conquered, we wouldn’t even have an ally to aid in Europe.

Mind you, the war in the Pacific might have gone a lot faster, with us being able to concentrate all our effort there.

These counterfactuals remind me of the old Outer Limits episode, “Controlled Experiment”, where visiting Martians with the ability to slow down and run back time prevent a murder, which changes the future leading to a galactic catastrophe.

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EPR-radar  Aug 3, 2017 • 5:54:42pm

re: #429 Blind Frog Belly White

Okay, I’m not going to take it any farther than this, but once again - you realize THEY claim YOUR ends are illegitimate, right?

I’m concerned that Trump et al. are destroying so many norms that if we also destroy them, we’ll end up with no norms left.

One thing I do as a check on myself is turn the situation around, and ask if I’d be okay with it. Back when Bush was President, a lot of wingnuts objected to the FISA Court system as too onerous a burden on Presidential prerogative. Yet some of these same wingnuts objected to “the President’s Secret Court!!!” when Bill Clinton was President.

Yes, I realize that’s exactly the wingnut view on these issues. But as long as the Republicans remain what they presently are, I’m correct and they are wrong, and there is no point in trying for rational debate or compromise. This is because Republicans have deliberately rejected the Enlightenment in favor of a return to faith-based barbarism.

US political norms aren’t going to survive this. That much is certain. If things go well, we may still have life on earth 50 years from now that goes beyond rodents, pond scum and cockroaches.

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retired cynic  Aug 3, 2017 • 6:21:03pm

re: #368 gocart mozart

That finger crushing hand hold on his daughter is so nasty! I’m still wondering about those finger-print sized bruises on Ivanka’s arms a few days ago. That man ain’t right!

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CleverToad  Aug 3, 2017 • 6:33:12pm

re: #311 William Lewis

Maxim 20. If you’re not willing to shell your own position, you’re not willing to win.

The Seventy Maxims of Maximally Effective Mercenaries

re: #316 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I need to bookmark this. I’m dying.

Upding. My son has been a Schlock Mercenary fan since he got his mitts on a (just-published) copy of The Tub of Happiness.


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