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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 4, 2017 • 9:52:33pm
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electrotek  Aug 4, 2017 • 9:56:17pm

Uh, how does a church sheltering undocumented immigrants considered a violation of separation of church and state? I’m lost here.

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William Lewis  Aug 4, 2017 • 10:24:19pm

re: #2 electrotek

Uh, how does a church sheltering undocumented immigrants considered a violation of separation of church and state? I’m lost here.

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I would argue that a church hiding immigrants from the neo secret state police ICE is doing the churches business re: Matthew 25: 31-46.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 4, 2017 • 10:28:24pm

Incoming heavy weather:

wunderground.com

(NEXRAD Radar from Cheyenne)

Heavy thunderstorms usually result in a loss of my Internet service for a day or two, you lucky devils.

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freetoken  Aug 4, 2017 • 10:29:17pm

re: #2 electrotek

I came across this:

HOW ORTHODOX CHRISTIANITY BECAME THE SPIRITUAL HOME OF WHITE NATIONALISM

It doesn’t though really give the deep background into how Eastern Christianity and the assorted denominations have become entangled with nationalism.

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electrotek  Aug 4, 2017 • 10:29:45pm

re: #3 William Lewis

I would argue that a church hiding immigrants from the neo secret state police ICE is doing the churches business re: Matthew 25: 31-46.

Thanks! I used your refutation in this tweet if you don’t mind!

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electrotek  Aug 4, 2017 • 10:30:51pm

re: #5 freetoken

I came across this:

HOW ORTHODOX CHRISTIANITY BECAME THE SPIRITUAL HOME OF WHITE NATIONALISM

It doesn’t though really give the deep background into how Eastern Christianity and the assorted denominations have become entangled with nationalism.

I don’t get it. How would African Christians like Ethiopians or Eritreans fall under this?

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freetoken  Aug 4, 2017 • 10:30:55pm

re: #4 Anymouse 🌹

Read a letter earlier today in Nature Climate, of a study of the impact of climate change on hail.

For much of the US, warmer upper air will decrease the size of summer hail.

Except for your part of the country.

And for Spring hail - you’re at ground zero for an increase in extra-large hail.

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freetoken  Aug 4, 2017 • 10:32:26pm

re: #7 electrotek

My feeling is that the entanglement for religious warfare with Islam that the various “Orthodox” churches have found themselves is just a quirk of history.

Western Christianity, by geography, mostly fought among themselves.

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freetoken  Aug 4, 2017 • 10:34:41pm

The bleeding-heart-hippie Jesus of progressive (or in the case of the Roman Catholic church - socially aware of the poor) western Christianity is as much a myth as any other type of Jesus.

So we should not be surprised that many Christians have a Jesus which is different than that.

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William Lewis  Aug 4, 2017 • 10:35:01pm

re: #5 freetoken

I came across this:

HOW ORTHODOX CHRISTIANITY BECAME THE SPIRITUAL HOME OF WHITE NATIONALISM

It doesn’t though really give the deep background into how Eastern Christianity and the assorted denominations have become entangled with nationalism.

Doesn’t pass the smell test to me. Russian Orthodox is very nationalist as are others branches, but that’s not the same as white supremacy. They’d not care for the copts or the Syrian church forex.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 4, 2017 • 10:36:11pm

Perhaps its just pedantic, but:

Mārinā ن @Crazy_Copt

A church defending illegal immigrants violates separation of church & state. Doesnt minimize Christian persecution. My point still stands.

a) Being an undocumented immigrant is not a crime, no matter how many times wingnuts call it one. It is a civil offence punishable by deportation, per the US Code.

b) Christians aren’t being persecuted in the USA. Not getting to mark territory with Ten Commandments monuments all over public land is not persecution.

c) Which way does the poster want it? If ICE agents could just barge into churches, then any police organisation could. That could be construed as persecution. Churches have long been havens or sanctuaries for the oppressed. Does this person want to remove that privilege from churches?

d) An alleged undocumented immigrant is supposed to have the same rights and protections afforded anyone within the jurisdiction of the United States. Is the commentator going for “yeah, but not those people?”

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freetoken  Aug 4, 2017 • 10:37:20pm

re: #11 William Lewis

The Russian Orthodox church and its close cousins are very much into the hyper-nationalism of today’s far-right Europeans.

These nationalists are the natural allies of American-type white nationalists.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 4, 2017 • 10:37:27pm

re: #8 freetoken

Read a letter earlier today in Nature Climate, of a study of the impact of climate change on hail.

For much of the US, warmer upper air will decrease the size of summer hail.

Except for your part of the country.

And for Spring hail - you’re at ground zero for an increase in extra-large hail.

Should I invest in windshield company stock? /s I had to replace my first ever windshield (not caused by a car wreck) due to hail last month.

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electrotek  Aug 4, 2017 • 10:37:56pm

re: #9 freetoken

My feeling is that the entanglement for religious warfare with Islam that the various “Orthodox” churches have found themselves is just a quirk of history.

Western Christianity, by geography, most fought among themselves.

LOL yup. Recall the Siege of Constantinople in 1204? That was under Byzantine control.

And I’ve noticed that Coptic Christians in the diaspora are very selective in their history. They claim to the be the original torchbearers of ancient Egypt. However, when Coptic Christians controlled Egypt, they had no problem destroying any remnants of ancient Egypt on the basis of heresy and forbid its followers from going anywhere near the temples and pyramids.

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freetoken  Aug 4, 2017 • 10:38:46pm

re: #14 Anymouse 🌹

The windshield replacement business in western Nebraska has a long-term bright future.

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William Lewis  Aug 4, 2017 • 10:38:49pm

re: #6 electrotek

No prob. It’s one area where Jesus’ Judaism shines through - be good to the stranger for we were strangers in Pharoh’s land. Love your neighbor as yourself. Love covers a multitude of sins. And so on.

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electrotek  Aug 4, 2017 • 10:39:43pm

re: #12 Anymouse 🌹

Perhaps its just pedantic, but:

a) Being an undocumented immigrant is not a crime, no matter how many times wingnuts call it one. It is a civil offence punishable by deportation, pre the US Code.

b) Christians aren’t being persecuted in the USA. Not getting to mark territory with Ten Commandments monuments all over public land is not persecution.

c) Which way does the poster want it? If ICE agents could just barge into churches, then any police organisation could. That could be construed as persecution. Churches have long been havens or sanctuaries for the oppressed. Does this person want to remove that privilege from churches?

d) An alleged undocumented immigrant is supposed to have the same rights and protections afforded anyone within the jurisdiction of the United States. Is the commentator going for “yeah, but not those people?”

Your words are finally but slowly being realized by Iraqi Chaldeans in Detroit who voted for Trump enthusiastically…only to find themselves in Trump’s crosshairs when their undocumented family members are now being deported back to Iraq for having criminal records.

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freetoken  Aug 4, 2017 • 10:40:35pm

re: #15 electrotek

See Hypatia.

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electrotek  Aug 4, 2017 • 10:41:24pm

re: #17 William Lewis

No prob. It’s one area where Jesus’ Judaism shines through - be good to the stranger for we were strangers in Pharoh’s land. Love your neighbor as yourself. Love covers a multitude of sins. And so on.

And that’s why I’m not interested in demonizing Christianity, and I get extremely uncomfortable when I hear fellow liberals denounce it with the same hostility as right-wing nutjobs do to Islam.

I see the true beauty in Christianity and I’ll be damned if some self-proclaimed “Christians” who show off their Crucifix necklaces to everyone tries to sully my view of the faith.

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electrotek  Aug 4, 2017 • 10:42:39pm

re: #19 freetoken

See Hypatia.

I totally forgot about him!

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freetoken  Aug 4, 2017 • 10:43:13pm

re: #21 electrotek

I totally forgot about him!

Her.

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electrotek  Aug 4, 2017 • 10:44:23pm

re: #22 freetoken

Her.

Whoops. Her. Now I know I really need to sleep.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 4, 2017 • 10:47:02pm

Fact-check on Trump’s Club 21 claim that they hired a consultant, shut down for a year, only to get a recommendation they renovate their kitchen, causing them to lose a great deal of money.

You knew that would be false …

nytimes.com (April 29, 1987)

The restaurant was closed for two months, and the entire restaurant was renovated.

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Amory Blaine  Aug 4, 2017 • 10:48:48pm

Fox News:

Would you even care if he was guilty?

WOULD YOU EVEN CARE IF HE WAS GUILTY?
The stock market is up, unemployment is down and the economy seems to be picking up some steam. The streets are mostly safe, the nation is mostly secure and the world is mostly at peace.

So does it matter to you whether or not the president is a crook? The answer for a lot of Americans may be no.

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Kragar  Aug 4, 2017 • 10:48:51pm
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William Lewis  Aug 4, 2017 • 10:51:50pm

re: #19 freetoken

See Hypatia.

New movie out about that case. Like always with Hollywood and ancient history, it’s quite flawed but it still tells the story of a tragic (on many levels) time and place.

Shortly after that, historically, the monasteries of Ireland, England and northern Europe began a centuries long effort to preserve books and learning. Pity it didn’t start sooner but the scriptoriums are why we have much of what we do.

Humans are contradictory critters, aren’t they?

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freetoken  Aug 4, 2017 • 10:53:47pm

Without diving into a vast amount of history, I think it is important to note there is no theological reason why any eastern Christian sect would be more akin to any sort of nationalist movement, compared to western sects of Christianity.

The great schism long ago was about the nature of the Trinity, the sacraments, and the role of the Roman bishop. All very obscure, rather than the last one which is just straight up politics.

But the long battle with Islam really has affected the nature of eastern Christianity, I propose. From what I’ve read, and those I’ve come across, there is much more of a self-awareness of identity coming from their membership in their sect, than say the typical Protestant (even such over the top ones like the Southern Baptists or Assemblies of God.) The latter groups in America seem to be ok if you just call them something like “Bible-believing Christians” rather than call them by their sect name.

Humans really need identities - that’s why there is such a robust market in selling identity.

Still, I wonder how all this is going to play out over the next thousand years or so. Those wanting religious wars will probably get their way.

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Belafon  Aug 4, 2017 • 10:54:35pm

re: #20 electrotek

I think Jesus’ teachings are great. It’s a good portion of the Christians I cannot stand.

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William Lewis  Aug 4, 2017 • 10:55:25pm

re: #29 Belafon

I think Jesus’ teachings are great. It’s a good portion of the Christians I cannot stand.

Can I say that as a Christian, I agree?

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sagehen  Aug 4, 2017 • 10:58:49pm

re: #24 Anymouse 🌹

Fact-check on Trump’s Club 21 claim that they hired a consultant, shut down for a year, only to get a recommendation they renovate their kitchen, causing them to lose a great deal of money.

You knew that would be false …

nytimes.com (April 29, 1987)

The restaurant was closed for two months, and the entire restaurant was renovated.

So maybe they just kept pretending to be closed whenever he called to make a reservation?

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Amory Blaine  Aug 4, 2017 • 10:59:37pm

re: #14 Anymouse 🌹

I recently had to replace the windshield on my daily driver. (The hood flew open while I was on the freeway. In the rain, at night.) The good news is that it’s a nice clear view with no swirl marks or scratches. For now.

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Targetpractice  Aug 4, 2017 • 11:00:09pm

re: #25 Amory Blaine

Fox News:

Would you even care if he was guilty?

To which numerous Trump supporters asked themselves “Guilty of what? What’s he being accused of? This is the first I’ve heard about it!”

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retired cynic  Aug 4, 2017 • 11:00:53pm

re: #32 Amory Blaine

I recently had to replace the windshield on my daily driver. (The hood flew open while I was on the freeway. In the rain, at night.) The good news is that it’s a nice clear view with no swirl marks or scratches. For now.

Heart-stopping!

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electrotek  Aug 4, 2017 • 11:02:23pm

re: #29 Belafon

I think Jesus’ teachings are great. It’s a good portion of the Christians I cannot stand.

Co-sign.

I feel that way about a lot of Muslims…especially those who are so obsessed with eating zabihah halal food and praying 5 times a day but have no problem lying, cheating, stealing, and backbiting on a regular basis.

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teleskiguy  Aug 4, 2017 • 11:03:41pm

The next worldwide war will not be over religion. It will be over fresh water.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 4, 2017 • 11:04:37pm

re: #29 Belafon

I think Jesus’ teachings are great. It’s a good portion of the Christians I cannot stand.

re: #30 William Lewis

Can I say that as a Christian, I agree?

I’ll have to respectfully disagree on “great teachings”

Luke 12:51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:
12:52 For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three.
12:53 The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

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Amory Blaine  Aug 4, 2017 • 11:06:39pm

re: #34 retired cynic

Hee hee, yep. I was on my way to work 3rd shift. I was listening to an interview with Carrie Fischer on NPR re: her new book. Carrie was talking about her and Harrison Ford hooking up (I was all like, say what?!?!) SO I glanced down at the radio to turn up the volume and that’s when the hood flew open. It was my fault as I popped the hood to check the oil before I left as the car leaks quite a bit. But right after I popped the hood, the boy told me he already checked the oil. So I forgot to close it all the way. D’oh!!

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 4, 2017 • 11:07:41pm

More:

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. Matthew 10:34

He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36

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teleskiguy  Aug 4, 2017 • 11:08:58pm

re: #39 Anymouse 🌹

This shit isn’t helpful. Stop.

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William Lewis  Aug 4, 2017 • 11:10:29pm

re: #37 Anymouse 🌹

I’ll have to respectfully disagree on “great teachings”

Luke 12:51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:
12:52 For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three.
12:53 The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

Learn a bit about how Rabbis teach, and especially their use of hyperbole, and look at those passages again.

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teleskiguy  Aug 4, 2017 • 11:11:49pm

One could go back and forth all day about the Torah, the Bible, the Koran, all the discrepancies and hypocrisies. In the end, if you’re telling the faithful how wrong they are for believing as such you’re just being an asshole.

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Amory Blaine  Aug 4, 2017 • 11:13:33pm

Eric Bolling sends out dick pics dontcha know?

Fox News Will Investigate Allegations in New Report That Eric Bolling Sent Lewd Photos to Female Colleagues

Although at this time I was unable to find the pic of the smallest member of the FOX news team, I will keep you posted when it arises!

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freetoken  Aug 4, 2017 • 11:14:02pm

re: #36 teleskiguy

The next worldwide war will not be over religion. It will be over fresh water.

Resource wars are a high probability.

But humans being humans, we will find a way to wrap religious justification into it.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 4, 2017 • 11:15:04pm

re: #40 teleskiguy

This shit isn’t helpful. Stop.

Sorry I quoted the Bible. I tend to do that when a claim comes up that contradicts Jesus’s own words as relayed in the New Testament.

The thunderstorms are passing us now, and my Internet service wasn’t knocked out. Since I relayed inconvenient quotes from the Bible that contradict the claim, perhaps I should go for awhile.

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freetoken  Aug 4, 2017 • 11:16:23pm

re: #42 teleskiguy

Well, I for one have no problem with challenging anyone over whatever they believe. My own challenge is finding the right time/place for such.

Generally, when someone is in deep grief, I don’t bother them. We have to go through these things at all time, and the most honest thing we can say is that each person must find their own path through these times.

But outside that, especially in the public sphere. I’ll gladly engage on the matter of beliefs.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 4, 2017 • 11:16:40pm

re: #41 William Lewis

Learn a bit about how Rabbis teach, and especially their use of hyperbole, and look at those passages again.

Fair enough; there’s also a school of thought that Jesus was an itinerant apocalyptic preacher, in the tradition of Isiah, Ezekiel, Jeremiah, etc.

Certainly, it’s no secret that apocalypticism was rampant* in First Century CE Judea.

* hmm……sounds eerily familiar

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 4, 2017 • 11:18:38pm

From downstairs
re: #199 jaunte

“He kept us safe from the migrant Monarch menace.”

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Targetpractice  Aug 4, 2017 • 11:18:58pm

re: #43 Amory Blaine

Eric Bolling sends out dick pics dontcha know?

Fox News Will Investigate Allegations in New Report That Eric Bolling Sent Lewd Photos to Female Colleagues

Although at this time I was unable to find the pic of the smallest member of the FOX news team, I will keep you posted when it arises!

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Amory Blaine  Aug 4, 2017 • 11:21:19pm

Thank you, I’ll be here all evening. Don’t forget to tip the wait staff.

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teleskiguy  Aug 4, 2017 • 11:21:57pm

re: #45 Anymouse 🌹

Anybody can quote the Bible verbatim to disprove other’s faith. I get sick and tired of non-believers (of which I am one) badgering believers as wrong and hypocritical. I know more faithful people than non-faithful people, and I consider a great many faithful as friends. I’m not going up to them and saying “well, the Bible actually says this, so you’re wrong and an idiot” which is pretty much what you just did to wlewisiii with your holier-than-thou approach to religion.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 4, 2017 • 11:27:21pm

re: #45 Anymouse 🌹

Well, I guess quoting the Bible in refutation of an assertion about Jesus rates downvotes. Gets you called “an asshole.”

To be clear: I didn’t attack anyone personally (you can go back and read the comments). I merely refuted an assertion with the very book held up as an example.

I need to go however, as the winds are getting very violent here and I need to find a safer place than right next to a window (where my computer is).

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 4, 2017 • 11:28:07pm
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William Lewis  Aug 4, 2017 • 11:29:01pm

re: #47 Dr Lizardo

Fair enough; there’s also a school of thought that Jesus was an itinerant apocalyptic preacher, in the tradition of Isiah, Ezekiel, Jeremiah, etc.

Certainly, it’s no secret that apocalypticism was rampant* in First Century CE Judea.

* hmm……sounds eerily familiar

There was an element of that for certain. It remains most clear in Mark, but is present throughout the canonical gospels.

A good corrective these days is the Jewish Annotated New Testament edited by Amy Jill Levine, a practicing Jew who teaches the New Testament at Vanderbilt.

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teleskiguy  Aug 4, 2017 • 11:30:00pm

re: #52 Anymouse 🌹

Well, I guess quoting the Bible in refutation of an assertion about Jesus rates downvotes. Gets you called “an asshole.”

Because it’s a fucking asshole thing to do. Want to bring up contradictions in the Torah to Aloutette? Want to tell electrotek that the Koran is a bunch of nonsense? You’re asking for a fuckin’ fight, pal.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 4, 2017 • 11:33:15pm

re: #51 teleskiguy

Anybody can quote the Bible verbatim to disprove other’s faith. I get sick and tired of non-believers (of which I am one) badgering believers as wrong and hypocritical. I know more faithful people than non-faithful people, and I consider a great many faithful as friends. I’m not going up to them and saying “well, the Bible actually says this, so you’re wrong and an idiot” which is pretty much what you just did to wlewisiii with your holier-than-thou approach to religion.

I didn’t try to disprove anyone’s faith. I didn’t say anyone was a hypocrite. I did not imply anyone was an idiot. I did not take a holier-than-thou approach to religion.

I live in a whole town of religious people, in which my wife and I are the only atheists. It would seem the conservatives in my town are somehow less offended.

No subject should be off-limits to discussion or investigation. No subject is sacrosanct, none. That said, I will self-censor on the subject of religion here in the future.

Now I really must go … good night, y’all.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 4, 2017 • 11:34:08pm

re: #54 William Lewis

There was an element of that for certain. It remains most clear in Mark, but is present throughout the canonical gospels.

A good corrective these days is the Jewish Annotated New Testament edited by Amy Jill Levine, a practicing Jew who teaches the New Testament at Vanderbilt.

Sounds like something interesting to add to the ol’ reading list.

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freetoken  Aug 4, 2017 • 11:34:23pm

Here I will harken back to the turmoil at LGF, when creationism became a dividing point for some.

The creationists all left.

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freetoken  Aug 4, 2017 • 11:34:51pm

Well, I think they all left. Perhaps a few remain, quietly, I don’t know.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 4, 2017 • 11:35:51pm

OK. I’m out for the day. Have a good one, Lizards.

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teleskiguy  Aug 4, 2017 • 11:37:54pm

re: #56 Anymouse 🌹

I didn’t try to disprove anyone’s faith.

Bullshit. You wouldn’t have said anything otherwise.

I did not take a holier-than-thou approach to religion.

Bullshit. You quoted contradicting Bible verses to show that you know more than the faithful and that the faithful are ignoring said verses.

I didn’t say anyone was a hypocrite.

Bullshit. You clearly implied Jesus Christ was a hypocrite.

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Amory Blaine  Aug 4, 2017 • 11:41:38pm

Elaine handled her mannequin problem with some grace.

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teleskiguy  Aug 4, 2017 • 11:43:38pm

I hate atheists, sometimes.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 4, 2017 • 11:43:53pm

re: #61 teleskiguy

Bullshit. You wouldn’t have said anything otherwise.

I couldn’t possibly have another reason? I’m glad you know me so well.

Encyclopaedia of Google. I made no assertion I know more than the faithful.

Bullshit. You clearly implied Jesus Christ was a hypocrite.

Wow, that’s a leap. I clearly implied no such thing. It does appear I struck a nerve though.

The storm collapsed. Lucky us. I’m going to go pour a drink. I think I need one or four. G’night.

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teleskiguy  Aug 4, 2017 • 11:47:07pm

re: #64 Anymouse 🌹

Wow, that’s a leap. I clearly implied no such thing.

You’re being so dense as to really test my patience. Hey all, click on this and tell me if Anymouse is not saying Jesus Christ is hypocritical. #37

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teleskiguy  Aug 4, 2017 • 11:48:07pm

re: #64 Anymouse 🌹

It does appear I struck a nerve though.

Yep. Because you were being a disrespectful asshole.

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William Lewis  Aug 4, 2017 • 11:50:49pm

re: #55 teleskiguy

He is a classic example of someone for whom atheism has become religious and has the Evangelical fervor to go with it. This is not the way all atheists approach their belief or the lack of it, but there has always been a certain stream in atheism that sees the continued existence of other religions to be as bad as a Crusader saw Islam. I generally just try to not pay attention when he gets that way as it will do as little good to argue with him as with a fundamentalist. In the end he fights the good fight (pretend I’m quoting Triumph rather than scripture ;) for the people there.

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teleskiguy  Aug 4, 2017 • 11:55:55pm

re: #67 William Lewis

Live and let live, that’s the way to go. You’re right about evangelizing atheists, it’s something that bothers me because then you’re sinking to the fundamentalists’ level. I don’t preach atheism at all, I’ll only bring it up if prompted. Same should go for all other religions. After all - and you know this better than so many people, William - salvation lies within.

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freetoken  Aug 4, 2017 • 11:56:01pm
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freetoken  Aug 5, 2017 • 12:00:10am

re: #68 teleskiguy

Live and let live, that’s the way to go. You’re right about evangelizing atheists, it’s something that bothers me because then you’re sinking to the fundamentalists’ level.

I disagree with your assertion here.

Indeed, I have no problem with anyone who wants to preach whatever they believe, as long as they are not out to harm someone.

The battlefield of ideas is best done with a cautious yet persistent engagement over topics in which some common ground can be found and yet differences can be argued.

This is different than the physical battlefield (of war) where the goal is to inflict violence on another person.

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teleskiguy  Aug 5, 2017 • 12:01:47am
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teleskiguy  Aug 5, 2017 • 12:15:16am

I didn’t know that filmmaker Frank Darabont (The Shawshank Redemption, The Green Mile) was an immigrant. He was born in a refugee camp in France. He was actually born Darabont Ferenc Árpád.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 5, 2017 • 12:22:50am

re: #7 electrotek

I don’t get it. How would African Christians like Ethiopians or Eritreans fall under this?

I would think this might refer to Russian and other Eastern European Orthodox churches, which are one of the pillars of authoritarianism in countries like Russia, Romania and Hungary.

They also gain a lot of mileage about how persecuted they were under Communism, even if a lot of them came to very comfortable arrangements with the powers-that-be in exchange for keeping mum on politics.

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Kragar  Aug 5, 2017 • 12:26:41am
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teleskiguy  Aug 5, 2017 • 12:32:33am

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Teukka  Aug 5, 2017 • 12:37:24am

Former Swedish Finance Minister apologizes for ‘blackout’ at party
I guess you know the story by now, he was at a party in the Stockholm archipelago. He showed off his own … endowment … grabbed others endowments, was aggressive, threatened the host of the party and called women w*clang*s.

Latest update in the Borg saga is that he has had charges filed against him with police for sexual assault, unlawful threats and and insult.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 5, 2017 • 12:38:13am

re: #76 Teukka

Former Swedish Finance Minister apologizes for ‘blackout’ at party
I guess you know the story by now, he was at a party in the Stockholm archipelago. He showed off his own … endowment … grabbed others endowments, was aggressive, threatened the host of the party and called women w*clang*s.

Latest update in the Borg saga is that he has had charges filed against him with police for sexual assault, unlawful threats and and insult.

He was just assimilating…

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Kragar  Aug 5, 2017 • 12:43:50am
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teleskiguy  Aug 5, 2017 • 12:46:13am

re: #78 Kragar

I’m so glad that Bernie fluffers are largely absent from my Twitter feed. I’d probably be banned by now.

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Kragar  Aug 5, 2017 • 12:58:31am

Warhammer 40k Time:

Istvaan V Drop Sit Massacre

The Drop Site Massacre of Istvaan V was one of the major turning points that occurred early in the great galactic civil war that engulfed the Imperium of Man in the early 31st Millennium known in later times as the Horus Heresy. After the news of the Istvaan III Atrocity was brought to the Emperor of Mankind by the Loyalists aboard the Death Guard Frigate Eisenstein, He ordered the combined forces of seven Space Marine Legions to assault the positions of Horus and his Traitor Legions in the Istvaan System. During that assault on the world of Istvaan V, three Loyalist Astartes Legions — the Iron Hands, the Salamanders and the Raven Guard — were betrayed by the 4 other Legions of the Loyalist second wave — the Alpha Legion, Night Lords, Iron Warriors, and a large contingent of Word Bearers — who they had believed were loyal to the Emperor of Mankind, but in fact had already betrayed the Imperium and secretly turned to the service of the rebellious Warmaster Horus and Chaos. As the Loyalists retreated back towards what they believed were friendly lines, the hidden Traitors revealed their allegiance by opening fire upon the Loyalists, catching them between a Traitor hammer and anvil and nearly destroying all three Loyalist Legions. This victory demolished what the Loyalists had believed to be their numerical superiority and opened the path to the conquest of Terra for Horus and his allies amongst the Forces of Chaos.

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Kragar  Aug 5, 2017 • 1:08:08am
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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 5, 2017 • 1:22:06am

re: #77 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He was just assimilating…

It was a costume event. He went as Trump.

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Targetpractice  Aug 5, 2017 • 1:24:57am

re: #76 Teukka

Former Swedish Finance Minister apologizes for ‘blackout’ at party
I guess you know the story by now, he was at a party in the Stockholm archipelago. He showed off his own … endowment … grabbed others endowments, was aggressive, threatened the host of the party and called women w*clang*s.

Latest update in the Borg saga is that he has had charges filed against him with police for sexual assault, unlawful threats and and insult.

Wait, so a world leader grabbed others by the *bleep* and is facing criminal charges for doing so?

What insanity is this?!

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 5, 2017 • 1:29:32am

re: #73 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I would think this might refer to Russian and other Eastern European Orthodox churches, which are one of the pillars of authoritarianism in countries like Russia, Romania and Hungary.

They also gain a lot of mileage about how persecuted they were under Communism, even if a lot of them came to very comfortable arrangements with the powers-that-be in exchange for keeping mum on politics.

Lenin and later Stalin did kick the priests around quite a bit, though they didn’t suffer as much as unfavored party members or Ukrainian kulaks. Then World War II came along and party propaganda hacks discovered the great manipulative potential of religion. From then on it was a fairly smooth ride for those willing to toe the political line.

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Kragar  Aug 5, 2017 • 1:36:59am

Watching “Comrade Detective”, this is some seriously funny stuff

Nikita: “Hot date last night?”
Gregor: “It was great, until she asked me to stop seeing other girls.”
Nikita: “She has a point. Yeah, we’re a Communist State, but that doesn’t mean you have to service everybody.”
Gregor: “What is that Marx said? From each according to his ability, and to each according to their need?”
Nikita: “I don’t think that is what he meant.”
Gregor: “No. That is EXACTLY what he meant.”

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Teukka  Aug 5, 2017 • 1:38:50am

re: #83 Targetpractice

Wait, so a world leader grabbed others by the *bleep* and is facing criminal charges for doing so?

What insanity is this?!

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A nation with rule of law?

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Kragar  Aug 5, 2017 • 1:42:29am

re: #85 Kragar

Drug Dealer: “FREE MARKET, MOTHERFUCKER!”
Nikita: “He’s not worth it! He’s just a Capitalist Punk!”

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teleskiguy  Aug 5, 2017 • 1:45:22am

I hate to do this, especially here. I have to call out IngisKahn, who has been registered at LGF longer than probably 90% of Lizards, yet refuses to back up their downdings, and in fact refuses to back up *anything* because they have commented 232 times in FUCKING 12 years as a registered LGF person.

Hey, IngisKahn, you’re fake. You’re a fucking Trump supporter. Come out of your fucking 101st Chairborne seat and tell the LGF community how you really feel, you fucking coward.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 5, 2017 • 2:06:43am

This will be my last comment at LGF on religion. I am terribly sorry that there is a topic on which one cannot comment if you do not agree.

re: #63 teleskiguy

I hate atheists, sometimes.

I don’t hate anyone; as such, I am sorry we cannot be friends after all. I dislike assertions without evidence (such as claims that don’t match the New Testament, or claims about science that are untrue, &c). I respect people unless they show themselves unworthy of respect. I never respect ideas unless they are shown to be true. “I hate atheists, sometimes” is a person I don’t want to be around.

I’ve had enough violence in my life from believers.

At least you’ve never had pickets at your house for daring to run a BBS about reason, nor been emergency transferred by the government for death threats against your wife or baby child. I have.

For example, Christian televangelists are people whose ideas I oppose. I do not hate the person, but I despise the idea of grifting from gullible people.

As soon as I logged back in, the thunderstorms and heavy lightning started around my home again. Maybe God is trying to tell me something? /s

re: #55 teleskiguy

Because it’s a fucking asshole thing to do [quoting the Bible to refute a religious assertion made above[. Want to bring up contradictions in the Torah to Aloutette? Want to tell electrotek that the Koran is a bunch of nonsense? You’re asking for a fuckin’ fight, pal.

Nope, because Aloutette and Electrotek are not making assertions I can show are untrue about their own holy books using Google.

It’s too bad that positing an opposing opinion is “asking for a fight.” I am a pacifist: If you feel the need to assert I need a beating or something simply because I said something you disagree with, stand in line. There are several religious faiths and churches in this country (including one just up the road from me) who want me dead.

It is interesting that a counter-argument to something someone else wrote causes you to claim “I’m asking for a fight.”

“I don’t know that atheists should be regarded as citizens, nor should they be regarded as patriotic. This is one nation under God.”—GHW Bush.

Those obviously aren’t fighting words, throwing a whole segment of the populace that has served in every combat this nation participated in since the Revolution. (Actually I couldn’t protest, I was on an aircraft carrier in the Med at the time, and Contempt for Officials is a UCMJ offence.) But me quoting the Bible is. Got it.

I’m sorry you hate atheists (sometimes). The counter to my original argument (a direct quote from the Gospel According to Luke) was not to show that I might have quoted it out of context, or an admission that the position I countered with it might be nuanced.

The counter was calling me an asshole.

I now know what topic is verbotin here. As I said, I will no more speak of religion (because religion in the USA never affects the 20% or so of atheists and agnostics that live here).

re: #58 freetoken

Here I will harken back to the turmoil at LGF, when creationism became a dividing point for some.

The creationists all left.

This thread reads like the atheists should. For now, I just won’t mention religion any more. I’ll stay in the closet, which I understand is a liberal value /s.re: #65 teleskiguy

re: #65 teleskiguy

You’re being so dense as to really test my patience. Hey all, click on this and tell me if Anymouse is not saying Jesus Christ is hypocritical. #37

Okay I’ll read my comment again. No, I didn’t say nor imply Jesus was a hypocrite. I didn’t even imply the person I was responding to was a hypocrite. I merely pointed out there was something (as found in Google) that disputed the person’s assertion.

So I understand the rules now. Atheists may not make comments on religious assertions. Good thing you don’t have a rabid secular organisation up the road from you calling for your death or marginalisation from society.

On the other hand, we are getting lightning strikes all around my home again, so maybe God is trying to tell me something. So I have to get off again and unplug my computer (the storms are much more severe now).

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William Lewis  Aug 5, 2017 • 2:12:42am

Would you like some cheese with that whine?

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 5, 2017 • 2:23:55am

re: #90 William Lewis

Would you like some cheese with that whine?

Sure. Make mine provalone. Just shut up about Christian death threats. After all, complaining about those are just whinging.

So I can add whinger to asshole. I’m marking my bingo card waiting for “identity politics.”

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 5, 2017 • 2:27:18am

This is very funny. It’s like a 21st century remake of Dr. Strangelove, though it’s real life this time.

Facebook Post

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 5, 2017 • 2:31:59am

re: #58 freetoken

Here I will harken back to the turmoil at LGF, when creationism became a dividing point for some.

The creationists all left.

Good riddance.

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Targetpractice  Aug 5, 2017 • 2:33:03am

re: #92 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

This is very funny. It’s like a 21st century remake of Dr. Strangelove, though it’s real life this time.

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The thing about Putin turning on us is that the only way that fuckhead stays in power, really how Russian politics don’t come crashing down ala 1917, is by portraying the country as being at constant odds with an “other.” Sometimes it’s an ideology, sometimes it’s a country, other times it’s a person, but it’s always something that only the strongman in power can “protect” the peasants from.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 5, 2017 • 2:38:29am

I’m listening to Gov’t Mule’s Aug. 3 concert in Raleigh. Awesome show, I just with the playlist was a little deeper.

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Alyosha  Aug 5, 2017 • 4:36:03am

Hi y’all. I’ve been a bit scarce for awhile due to mental health issues.

I more or less had a breakdown after about four of the most optimistic months of my life. Kinda been in a state of disarray. There is a silver cloud to all this, and probably, to some extent the reason why things are a bit harder to deal with atm. I stopped drinking dangerous amounts of alcohol. As a result I’ve also shed alot of weight.
The problem is, much of my sociability online was also what made me confortable enough to have the odd night where I made a bit of a fool of myself and not care that much in the morning.
I’m doing ok and I hope the updings are finding you well :)

Anyways, a few things I wanted to share because I’m a filthy self-promoter.

And apropos

:)

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steve_davis  Aug 5, 2017 • 4:46:47am

re: #37 Anymouse 🌹

I’ll have to respectfully disagree on “great teachings”

Luke 12:51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:
12:52 For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three.
12:53 The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

you don’t believe that Christ clearly saw that families would literally be divided by his teachings? That Roman families would be split between those who believe and those who don’t? That we’d fight a brutal war on the moral question of slavery, and that that moral question would arise because Christianity—and ONLY Christianity—made the idea of owning people repulsive enough to large numbers of actual Christians that they’d be willing to fight over it? That the Southern Baptists would be a morally bankrupt body for a hundred years following, and therefore separated from their family of Christ, because of theologically convenient assertions of why slavery was fine?

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 5, 2017 • 4:56:25am

re: #96 Alyosha

The dik dik looks like some kind of CGI representation of a genetically engineered pet from an idealized Putin dacha but the critters are REAL.
en.m.wikipedia.org

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jeffreyw  Aug 5, 2017 • 4:57:08am

Imgur


Good morning!

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Amory Blaine  Aug 5, 2017 • 5:14:21am

Backstraps are too tiny.
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Seriously though, that’s a cute lil guy!

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Botsplainer  Aug 5, 2017 • 5:15:45am

re: #5 freetoken

I came across this:

HOW ORTHODOX CHRISTIANITY BECAME THE SPIRITUAL HOME OF WHITE NATIONALISM

It doesn’t though really give the deep background into how Eastern Christianity and the assorted denominations have become entangled with nationalism.

The problem is primarily in ROCOR and the OCA, mainly in the convert-heavy parishes in the South and Midwest. There was a brief influx into some Antiochian parishes in the Rust Belt (there was a genuine asshole of a convert bishop whose initial degree came from Oral Roberts), but the Metropolitan at the time recognized what was happening and shipped the jackass off to the OCA.

It is a complex tale, worthy of a miniseries.

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dangerman  Aug 5, 2017 • 5:32:13am

today’s thought question

lets assume trump had enough self awareness a few years ago to recognize that if he ran, whether he won anything or not, half the country would oppose him and anything he stood for or tried to do

unless he totally forgot, he had to know he had a history of tweets and tv appearances and other video clips

did he not realize it or not care? ok that’s not the question

approval rating under 40 and underwater by almost 20
no legislation (he knows, just by reading his tweets)
lots of vacancies
no coherent overall policy, no direction
no wall, no mexico paying for it
and he hates the job

he must know he is performing absolutely terribly in contrast to everything he has said about his abilities

so seriously, if he’s not a total affect-less sociopath, what is he thinking to himself in the quiet moments right now?

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Belafon  Aug 5, 2017 • 5:51:07am

re: #102 dangerman

“Where’s my phone?” //

Sadly, his performance to date indicates he is incapable of self-reflection. I think, if he had the smallest ability to see what he is doing, he wouldn’t be this awful.

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Jay C  Aug 5, 2017 • 6:39:04am

re: #102 dangerman

[1]so seriously, if he’s not a total affect-less sociopath, [2]what is he thinking to himself in the quiet moments right now?

[1]. Assuming facts not in evidence.
[2]. “How can I boost my ratings?” *

* no snark: this is probably how Trump reflexively thinks.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 5, 2017 • 6:39:06am

FFS. This is why we can’t have nice things.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 5, 2017 • 6:39:22am

Where’s Melania and Barron?

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Dr. Matt  Aug 5, 2017 • 6:44:08am

re: #107 Dr. Matt

FFS. This is why we can’t have nice things.

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And when you live in a deep, deep red state that refuses to participate in healthcare exchanges, this is what “healthcare” looks like.

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lawhawk  Aug 5, 2017 • 6:45:58am

re: #109 Dr. Matt

This is what happens when you attack Planned Parenthood and force people to drive 100s of miles to get basic health care. You need mobile clinics that are overburdened and underfunded to cover the shortfall.

This is the future of health coverage in states the GOP control.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 5, 2017 • 6:49:25am

re: #110 lawhawk

And these people will continue to vote against their best interests, which is their actual survival in this case, and elect republicans because of “gawd, gunz, and abortionz.”

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 5, 2017 • 7:06:14am

re: #109 Dr. Matt

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And when you live in a deep, deep red state that refuses to participate in healthcare exchanges, this is what “healthcare” looks like.

I don’t see the problem. They have access to health care. /////

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ObserverArt  Aug 5, 2017 • 7:24:25am

re: #102 dangerman

today’s thought question

lets assume trump had enough self awareness a few years ago to recognize that if he ran, whether he won anything or not, half the country would oppose him and anything he stood for or tried to do

unless he totally forgot, he had to know he had a history of tweets and tv appearances and other video clips

did he not realize it or not care? ok that’s not the question

approval rating under 40 and underwater by almost 20
no legislation (he knows, just by reading his tweets)
lots of vacancies
no coherent overall policy, no direction
no wall, no mexico paying for it
and he hates the job

he must know he is performing absolutely terribly in contrast to everything he has said about his abilities

so seriously, if he’s not a total affect-less sociopath, what is he thinking to himself in the quiet moments right now?

I don’t want to know because I think it could be very frightening.

And he may just be totally affectless. I think the only feelings he may have are all in the realm of how he sees himself and his as better than anyone else.

I think he may have been raised that way by his father being taught Trump’s are special and select and everyone else is out to take that from us.

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ObserverArt  Aug 5, 2017 • 7:26:05am

re: #104 Alephnaught

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You can tell the entire world has the ability to be connected. Covfefe has made it around it.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 5, 2017 • 7:30:26am

re: #109 Dr. Matt


And when you live in a deep, deep red state that refuses to participate in healthcare exchanges, this is what “healthcare” looks like.

This is a scandal and a national disgrace.

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BlueSpotinAL  Aug 5, 2017 • 7:38:40am

re: #32 Amory Blaine

I recently had to replace the windshield on my daily driver. (The hood flew open while I was on the freeway. In the rain, at night.) The good news is that it’s a nice clear view with no swirl marks or scratches. For now.

Retired cynic commented “Heart-stopping”. This happened to me as well, at night. Driving along, sudden blam and darkness. I literally did not see that (the hood) coming. Fortunately I was in the left lane, very little traffic, and there was a wideleft shoulder to pull into. The car had been in an minor accident, and hood would not reliably latch.

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sagehen  Aug 5, 2017 • 8:04:49am

in Colbert’s monologue last night:

“While Trump is away on vacation, renovations at the White House include replacing the heating and air conditioning system. Which is obviously necessary; because the previous president was both hotter and cooler than this one.”

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ObserverArt  Aug 5, 2017 • 8:05:46am

I see LGF had another example overnight of not being able to discuss religion.

They say that about politics too.

I think we should be able to discuss it. Just got to watch how it is discussed. In a way you have to strip the individual out of it and talk about the concepts.

But right now…no one to discuss it with! : )

Time to mix up some wood repair epoxy for a little patch work outdoors on some dormer trim. It is warming a bit now…chilly night in central Ohio has brought a nice crisp day more like late September. But I am not going to complain.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 5, 2017 • 8:05:59am

re: #116 BlueSpotinAL

Retired cynic commented “Heart-stopping”. This happened to me as well, at night. Driving along, sudden blam and darkness. I literally did not see that (the hood) coming. Fortunately I was in the left lane, very little traffic, and there was a wideleft shoulder to pull into. The car had been in an minor accident, and hood would not reliably latch.

I had one of those when I was helping a friend move. I was driving his truck, as I was the only one in the moving crew who could drive a manual. He had hit a deer a couple of weeks prior, and the hood was held down by bungee cords. I turned a corner, into the wind, and the breeze grabbed it and broke the bungees, slamming the hood down onto the windshield. I navigated by looking out the driver’s side window at the yellow line until I could get past the guardrail on my right and to a spot with an open shoulder so I could pull off.

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MsJ  Aug 5, 2017 • 8:24:54am

re: #111 Dr. Matt

And these people will continue to vote against their best interests, which is their actual survival in this case, and elect republicans because of “gawd, gunz, and abortionz.”

Well, there is a certain amount of Survival of the Fittest going on, I suppose.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 5, 2017 • 8:25:17am
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Broad With Sass  Aug 5, 2017 • 8:27:22am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 5, 2017 • 8:28:07am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 5, 2017 • 8:35:01am

re: #118 ObserverArt

I see LGF had another example overnight of not being able to discuss religion.

quoting isolated bits of holy scripture to demonstrate how good or bad one’s religion is does not qualify as “discussing religion”.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 5, 2017 • 8:35:50am

re: #123 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Reading the timeline, I’d say Sarcastic Rover voted absentee—for HRC.

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dangerman  Aug 5, 2017 • 8:38:49am

re: #116 BlueSpotinAL

Retired cynic commented “Heart-stopping”. This happened to me as well, at night. Driving along, sudden blam and darkness. I literally did not see that (the hood) coming. Fortunately I was in the left lane, very little traffic, and there was a wideleft shoulder to pull into. The car had been in an minor accident, and hood would not reliably latch.

Wipers once stopped dead in a Florida drownpour
In the left lane as well
Instantly frightening for five seconds or so
Had the wherewithal to think to open the window
Rain just pouring into the window suit tie etc
Finally managed to navigate to the left shoulder and a safe stop, wait for the rain to stop….
Good times

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 5, 2017 • 8:40:29am
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nines09  Aug 5, 2017 • 8:43:41am

One Eric Bolling di*k pic revealed. Caution.

J8hvBs13sAI4mMsZ88tML1w5UpgXwHMclvHe3i7ruhPyyjbpqj/1k8JennC+2ndYTPDiK2QaR5bRpouTqpyAsaEiC/S9SvENaj5A5C20gGda4MTMk8Rt2nw7xOBrlx3I1s1iUpUNPec+OUmDvBcwLhC8wqj/2/BCAis6j7QLSoAjUyEiBAUCC2BlGcdSguBeSS5XMsfp4B7zN9d82qfelivREd0JesKUOC7dnwRgxAV4H50VkxvYpCAjniNQPAjTNEiUMwI+LiZjP13k6HVgzzPRduUXNWRebIk141whk2TZQKpNb/re2qaCzM76PpaFMehL5ELSj/dNhLRldSl2gYFbbuVNWT+RVlZ9msD1YQN3Maaerd1ZOQ==

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makeitstop  Aug 5, 2017 • 8:51:55am

Where’s the protest music? Right here.

Living Colour: ‘Program’

Much like “Cult of Personality” all those years ago, “Program” also deals with the media, but in this case it’s more touching on how the message is controlled and presented. “Back in the day, the news was called a ‘loss leader.’ It wasn’t for profit. News wasn’t made to sell stuff. News was there to be purely informational. That was their public service. That’s all the news was supposed to be, a public service that lets you know what’s going on in and around the world you live in. Not to be an arm of some sort of political ideology,” says Glover. “It wasn’t a place for you to get your talking points out of. It was a place for you to get informational.”
He continues, “Then at some point it was like, we could make a lot of money in this. There’s something to be said about it. That we’ve taken the notion of public service itself out of the equation. That even within the context of politics, I don’t know any politician that isn’t in some ways a rich person. There are no poor politicians. There isn’t a politician that has a day job. What happened to public service?”

Pretty fierce.

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dangerman  Aug 5, 2017 • 8:52:11am

re: #128 nines09

One Eric Bolling di*k pic revealed. Caution.

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Nope not now not ever

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Stanley Sea  Aug 5, 2017 • 8:58:52am
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FormerDirtDart  Aug 5, 2017 • 9:07:34am

re: #131 Stanley Sea

Hate to break it everyone, that’s been around for years.
It has no chance of implementation

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Decatur Deb  Aug 5, 2017 • 9:12:17am

re: #131 Stanley Sea

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Much of the popularity is because it’s a superior logo. It’s very hard to do a ‘folk’ image or mass-produced embroidered portrait of anyone.

This is the 2nd Infantry Div patch, featuring the head of Red Cloud. There is no intent to denigrate there, the unit names their installations and every thing that moves in honor of their former enemy. The portrait on our parachute club patch, produced by a Korean shop, was pretty hideous.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 5, 2017 • 9:16:13am
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ObserverArt  Aug 5, 2017 • 9:16:21am

re: #124 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

quoting isolated bits of holy scripture to demonstrate how good or bad one’s religion is does not qualify as “discussing religion”.

Can we discuss that sometimes quoting isolated bits of holy scripture is what is used as justifications for things like not accepting homosexuality and same sex marriage?

Also parts of scripture can be used to ban abortions and sometimes even modern medicine.

I think that is one of the issues with religion. We can get lost in interpreting smalls bits of one writing that can be overrode in another. And over time there are different interpretations of the original writing, then divisions over those changes….on and on.

I was raised Catholic. The teachings were it is the One True Church founded by St. Peter himself. And we had the Catholic Bible.

How many religions, churches and bibles are there now just under the guise of Christianity? To me it suggests man is the issue…can’t get along with others, can’t accept some things and has to be different.

And really politics is very much the same way.

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 5, 2017 • 9:17:20am

re: #127 FormerDirtDart

Is this something Congress can block?

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ObserverArt  Aug 5, 2017 • 9:20:25am

re: #129 makeitstop

Where’s the protest music? Right here.

Living Colour: ‘Program’

Pretty fierce.

So, they are still recording and playing. Good for them. Still got that slashing hard edge too.

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 5, 2017 • 9:23:45am

OT — but religion based. It was terrifying watching Ralph Reed on Bill Maher last night. He asserted that Trump keeps his word — because the only words that he and his ilk care about are those that involve appointing Supreme Court Justice who will overturn Roe v Wade and adopting policies that will allow Christianity to be in effect the official state religion.

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nines09  Aug 5, 2017 • 9:23:53am

re: #132 FormerDirtDart

Hate to break it everyone, that’s been around for years.
It has no chance of implementation

Actually he sold the design to a AAA hockey program Maplesoft Hawks in Ontario CN.
That’s a start.

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b_sharp  Aug 5, 2017 • 9:26:44am

re: #132 FormerDirtDart

Hate to break it everyone, that’s been around for years.
It has no chance of implementation

It would be implemented if it was a Canadian team.

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ObserverArt  Aug 5, 2017 • 9:27:46am

Apparently the Marines had some issues with one of their Osprey’s off the coast of Australia. Most of the crew and passengers saved, but three missing. I hope they find them.

If I remember right, aren’t the Osprey’s problematic from time to time?

From Yahoo News - Three US Marines Missing After Military Aircraft ‘Mishap’ Off Australia

Three US Marines Missing After Military Aircraft ‘Mishap’ Off Australia

Sydney (AFP) -

The US Marine Corps said Saturday that a major search and rescue operation was underway for three missing service members following a “mishap” involving an American military aircraft off the Australian coast.

US Marines based in Japan said “search and rescue operations continue for three U.S. Marines that were aboard an MV-22 Osprey involved in a mishap off of the east coast of Australia”.

“Twenty-three of 26 personnel aboard have been rescued,” they added in a statement.

The MV-22 Osprey tilt-rotor is the primary assault support aircraft for the Marines, with two engines positioned on fixed wing tips that allow it to land and take off vertically. It also has the ability to travel much faster than a helicopter.

“The aircraft involved in the mishap had launched from the USS Bonhomme Richard (LHD 6) and was conducting regularly scheduled operations when the aircraft entered the water,” the statement said.

The ship’s small boats and aircraft are involved in the search off Shoalwater Bay in Queensland state.

“The circumstances of the mishap are currently under investigation,” it added.

Australian Defence Minister Marise Payne said she had spoken to Pentagon chief Jim Mattis to offer help.

“I can confirm no Australian Defence Force Personnel were on board the aircraft,” she said.

“The United States are leading the search and recovery effort.

…more at link

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ObserverArt  Aug 5, 2017 • 9:29:30am

re: #140 b_sharp

It would be implemented if it was a Canadian team.

Hey stranger!

I am hoping all is well with your and the Mrs.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 5, 2017 • 9:30:54am

re: #141 ObserverArt

snip…

If I remember right, aren’t the Osprey’s problematic from time to time?

From Yahoo News - Three US Marines Missing After Military Aircraft ‘Mishap’ Off Australia

They had a particularly bad “infant mortality” phase. Some of that was using them with operational troop loads too early in development, some was bad decisionmaking on the hydraulics design. Hard to tell if they are well-loved now.

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b_sharp  Aug 5, 2017 • 9:34:12am

re: #142 ObserverArt

Hey stranger!

I am hoping all is well with your and the misses.

Meh.
In Vancouver visiting my son and daughter-in-law. He had stopped drinking for 5 weeks then earlier this week decided to start again. So now we’re trying to temper the amount he drinks.
Last 2 days V has had several symptoms of a heart attack although they were short lived and I’m having a hell of a time convincing her to take them seriously.

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b_sharp  Aug 5, 2017 • 9:36:25am

Life gives you lemons so you make lemonade out of them. Then life gives you bigger lemons.

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ObserverArt  Aug 5, 2017 • 9:36:50am

re: #144 b_sharp

Meh.
In Vancouver visiting my son and daughter-in-law. He had stopped drinking for 5 weeks then earlier this week decided to start again. So now we’re trying to temper the amount he drinks.
Last 2 days V has had several symptoms of a heart attack although they were short lived and I’m having a hell of a time convincing her to take them seriously.

Hang in there. I wish the best for all.

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Jay C  Aug 5, 2017 • 9:36:58am

re: #127 FormerDirtDart

re: #136 Hecuba’s daughter

Is this something Congress can block?

Possibly: though IIRC (and I will be pleased to be contradicted in this opinion), military stuff like personnel decisions are entirely in the hands of the DoD, which is part of the Executive Branch: so if the Asshole-in-Chief decides to implement a ban such as the one he is proposing, as long as he follows the correct administrative protocols (i..e., not just some angry Twitter screed), I think the Pentagon will have to comply. Eventually.
Of course, Presidential directives like this, AFAIK, - even for the military - can’t simply contradict established law. If, say, Trump decided that the Services should discharge all Muslims, or Jews*; there might be a case against it based on general prohibitions on religious discrimination. However, transpeople don’t have (again, AFAIK) such legal protections: part of the reason, I’m sure, that they are being made a particular target.
As to whether or not Congress can (or will) do anything, I don’t know: but this is just typical of the Trump Administration: desperate for any sort of policy “win” to deflect from the already-manifest failures of their regime, they turn to the one sort of action they are good at: a prejudicial purge of a tiny (and militarily irrelevant) minority, in order to satisfy the bigoted obsessions of religious fanatics.
MAGA.

* And I’m sure that somewhere, buried deep in somebody’s files in the WH is some sort of plan to do just that.

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Belafon  Aug 5, 2017 • 9:37:31am

re: #136 Hecuba’s daughter

Is this something Congress can block?

Yes they could. Will they?

We will have to keep up with sources.

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b_sharp  Aug 5, 2017 • 9:37:49am

re: #146 ObserverArt

Hang in there. I wish the best for all.

Thanks.
For the most part we’re enjoying the trip.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 5, 2017 • 9:38:19am

re: #145 b_sharp

Life gives you lemons so you make lemonade out of them. Then life gives you bigger lemons.

We’re gonna need a bigger pitcher.

Seriously, though, best wishes and prayers from the fish family.

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b_sharp  Aug 5, 2017 • 9:39:36am

re: #150 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

We’re gonna need a bigger pitcher.

Seriously, though, best wishes and prayers from the fish family.

That you fish? Didn’t even recognize you.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 5, 2017 • 9:40:13am

re: #151 b_sharp

That you fish? Didn’t even recognize you.

The one, the only. I’ve been around some, but work is keeping things just crazy enough.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 5, 2017 • 9:41:12am

re: #147 Jay C

Possibly: though IIRC (and I will be pleased to be contradicted in this opinion), military stuff like personnel decisions are entirely in the hands of the DoD, which is part of the Executive Branch: so if the Asshole-in-Chief decides to implement a ban such as the one he is proposing, as long as he follows the correct administrative protocols (i..e., not just some angry Twitter screed), I think the Pentagon will have to comply. Eventually.
Of course, Presidential directives like this, AFAIK, - even for the military - can’t simply contradict established law. If, say, Trump decided that the Services should discharge all Muslims, or Jews*; there might be a case against it based on general prohibitions on religious discrimination. However, transpeople don’t have (again, AFAIK) such legal protections: part of the reason, I’m sure, that they are being made a particular target.
As to whether or not Congress can (or will) do anything, I don’t know: but this is just typical of the Trump Administration: desperate for any sort of policy “win” to deflect from the already-manifest failures of their regime, they turn to the one sort of action they are good at: a prejudicial purge of a tiny (and militarily irrelevant) minority, in order to satisfy the bigoted obsessions of religious fanatics.
MAGA.

Yes, congress normally writes exceptions into laws making them inapplicable to the Executive Branch, esp. DoD. To adjust for that, presidents incorporate workable equivalents via (shudder) Executive Orders.

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b_sharp  Aug 5, 2017 • 9:42:24am

According to my wife Vancouver has some really good seafood. I’ll have to take her word for it. I’m a prairie boy, I eat meat.

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makeitstop  Aug 5, 2017 • 9:42:38am

re: #137 ObserverArt

So, they are still recording and playing. Good for them. Still got that slashing hard edge too.

They’ve been working pretty steadily over the years, albeit with a lower profile than their MTV days. The drummer in my band saw them out here on LI a couple of years ago, said they hit every bit as hard as ever.

Vernon’s guitar tone on that tune is huge. I’m digging it. Meant to be blasted at dangerous volume.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 5, 2017 • 9:43:02am

re: #139 nines09

Actually he sold the design to a AAA hockey program Maplesoft Hawks in Ontario CN.
That’s a start.

Which means it has no chance at being implemented as a replacement for the Chicago Blackhawks logo.
A logo that has been around since 2008 being adopted by a kids league in 2015 does not really show progress.
Hell, that logo has been around so long it was already stolen years before Maplesoft adopted it.
A History of Logo Larceny

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b_sharp  Aug 5, 2017 • 9:43:18am

re: #152 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

The one, the only. I’ve been around some, but work is keeping things just crazy enough.

That’s a good thing, isn’t it?

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b_sharp  Aug 5, 2017 • 9:45:10am

So WTF has been happening in LGF land, aside from squabbles about atheists picking on Xtians?

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IngisKahn  Aug 5, 2017 • 9:47:02am

re: #88 teleskiguy

Some of us at LGF don’t have the ability to constantly comment and we may even miss whole threads, dinging is great way to still remain a part of the community. The pluses flow constantly, and every now and then a minus. Some here act like it is the ultimate insult, most take it in stride.

I do kinda wish Charles had some sort of ding stats available. I may have disagreed with a few of your last posts, but you’re still deep in the pluses with me…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 5, 2017 • 9:48:03am

re: #136 Hecuba’s daughter

Is this something Congress can block?

Well, they’re on recess so that would be tricky.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 5, 2017 • 9:49:08am
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Decatur Deb  Aug 5, 2017 • 9:50:55am

Drilling down on ethnic sports logos took me to some interesting places.

And to this other team, that combines sport, religion, race, millenialism in one glorious package:

en.wikipedia.org

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b_sharp  Aug 5, 2017 • 9:50:57am

re: #160 Eclectic Cyborg

Well, they’re on recess so that would be tricky.

Well, ring the bell, bring them in from the playground, get them to take their muddy boots off and get back to working with their crayons.

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Jay C  Aug 5, 2017 • 9:51:00am

re: #153 Decatur Deb

Yes, congress normally writes exceptions into laws making them inapplicable to the Executive Branch, esp. DoD. To adjust for that, presidents incorporate workable equivalents via (shudder) Executive Orders.

Sorry: being dense today: does this mean (IYO) that Congress can or can’t block Trump’s imposition of a “trans ban” on the military?

Of course, that’s assuming they would want to block it… unfortunately.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 5, 2017 • 9:51:20am

re: #161 FormerDirtDart

Not sure if I want this for the entertainment/meme value or…

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Belafon  Aug 5, 2017 • 9:51:27am

re: #158 b_sharp

So WTF has been happening in LGF land, aside from squabbles about atheists picking on Xtians?

It wasn’t atheists picking on Christians, because I’m an atheist and I was picking on Christians for not acting like one. Some were picking on Christianity.

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ObserverArt  Aug 5, 2017 • 9:51:33am

re: #161 FormerDirtDart

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It’s all a game with them isn’t it?

That whole White House has to go. Yes, Pence too!

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Stanley Sea  Aug 5, 2017 • 9:53:00am

re: #159 IngisKahn

Thanks for replying. The comment to you was uncalled for.

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b_sharp  Aug 5, 2017 • 9:54:29am

re: #166 Belafon

It wasn’t atheists picking on Christians, because I’m an atheist and I was picking on Christians for not acting like one. Some were picking on Christianity.

But it was a squabble, right?

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Decatur Deb  Aug 5, 2017 • 9:56:51am

re: #164 Jay C

Sorry: being dense today: does this mean (IYO) that Congress can or can’t block Trump’s imposition of a “trans ban” on the military?

Of course, that’s assuming they would want to block it… unfortunately.

Best answer I’ve got—they could deliberately pass a bill that would get into DoD specifics, after the president signed it. (They rarely do that, and nobody much likes it.) Doing that flies in the face of “normal”, best practices, and tradition.

Nothing is normal now.

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ObserverArt  Aug 5, 2017 • 9:56:56am

re: #162 Decatur Deb

Drilling down on ethnic sports logos took me to some interesting places.

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And to this team, that combines sport, religion, race, millenialism in one glorious package:

en.wikipedia.org

Heh. Reminds me of when I first met my dog trainer buddy.

He’s Black and when he was young and brash he used to wear Big Blacks T-shirts…which I think is a rugby team in either Australia or New Zealand. He was a high school footballer so at that time he was pretty pumped up and buff. No one knew how to take him in those shirts.

I liked it and we became life-long friends. I knew we had similar senses of humor about things. Oh, and now he is older and brash…but not as pumped up.

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IngisKahn  Aug 5, 2017 • 9:57:28am

re: #169 b_sharp

But it was a squabble, right?

I don’t know if it reached squabble levels.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 5, 2017 • 9:59:54am

re: #131 Stanley Sea

I approve as well…..

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Decatur Deb  Aug 5, 2017 • 10:00:52am

re: #172 IngisKahn

I don’t know if it reached squabble levels.

A tiff? A contretemps?

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b_sharp  Aug 5, 2017 • 10:00:53am

re: #167 ObserverArt

It’s all a game with them isn’t it?

That whole White House has to go. Yes, Pence too!

Someone needs to set out their big boy pants and make sure they put them on with the zipper facing the front. Children shouldn’t be politicians and politicians shouldn’t be children.

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b_sharp  Aug 5, 2017 • 10:02:45am

re: #172 IngisKahn

I don’t know if it reached squabble levels.

Border line for here.
Actually this place has kind of mellowed out over the last 5 years.

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ObserverArt  Aug 5, 2017 • 10:02:53am

re: #168 Stanley Sea

Thanks for replying. The comment to you was uncalled for.

I’m gonna keep in mind that skiguy is dealing with stopping smoking, etc. He may be just a little edgy.

He and ‘mouse have had some go-rounds before. Strong opinionated individuals both.

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BigPapa  Aug 5, 2017 • 10:03:43am

re: #174 Decatur Deb

A tiff? A contretemps?

More like, a squib.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 5, 2017 • 10:03:59am
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b_sharp  Aug 5, 2017 • 10:04:36am

re: #177 ObserverArt

I’m gonna keep in mind that skiguy is dealing with stopping smoking, etc. He may be just a little edgy.

He and ‘mouse have had some go-rounds before. Strong opinionated individuals both.

Bright people usually are.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 5, 2017 • 10:05:02am

What do we do?

We have a deportation force.

Two brothers from Gaithersburg were deported to their native El Salvador on Wednesday in what their attorney says was the fastest deportation process he has ever seen.

The brothers have no criminal records and would not have been a priority for deportation by the Obama administration, said Matthew Bourke, a spokesman for Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

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makeitstop  Aug 5, 2017 • 10:05:27am

re: #174 Decatur Deb

A tiff? A contretemps?

A brouhaha, maybe? A rhubarb?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Aug 5, 2017 • 10:06:00am

re: #157 b_sharp

That’s a good thing, isn’t it?

Not particularly. I could really use some peace and quiet.

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b_sharp  Aug 5, 2017 • 10:06:34am

re: #182 makeitstop

A brouhaha, maybe? A rhubarb?

Ah, rhubarb. We can make a pie of it.

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nines09  Aug 5, 2017 • 10:06:50am

re: #156 FormerDirtDart

Of course. I mean the mindset. Logos are always stepping on one another.

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makeitstop  Aug 5, 2017 • 10:06:55am

re: #179 FormerDirtDart

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He must have gotten his ass kicked a lot in high school.

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wrenchwench  Aug 5, 2017 • 10:07:00am

re: #177 ObserverArt

Strong opinionated individuals both.

I think we have a room full of them. We need more snacks. Lemon drops for the smoking-quitters.

Coffee for me. Decaf after noon.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 5, 2017 • 10:08:49am

re: #184 b_sharp

Ah, rhubarb. We can make a pie of it.

VB doesn’t work Saturdays.

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ObserverArt  Aug 5, 2017 • 10:09:07am

re: #187 wrenchwench

I think we have a room full of them. We need more snacks. Lemon drops for the smoking-quitters.

Coffee for me. Decaf after noon.

Pie. We need pie!

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makeitstop  Aug 5, 2017 • 10:09:15am

re: #187 wrenchwench

I think we have a room full of them. We need more snacks. Lemon drops for the smoking-quitters.

Coffee for me. Decaf after noon.

Soup for me please. I broke a molar last night, can’t get to my dentist until Monday.

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b_sharp  Aug 5, 2017 • 10:09:54am

re: #187 wrenchwench

I think we have a room full of them. We need more snacks. Lemon drops for the smoking-quitters.

Coffee for me. Decaf after noon.

I debated getting into an argument with you about whether it’s a room full or a cavern full but didn’t want to start an echo chamber.

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wrenchwench  Aug 5, 2017 • 10:10:40am

re: #188 Decatur Deb

VB doesn’t work Saturdays.

Mr. w does. He doesn’t do crust, though. But we have the rhubarb all pied-up in the freezer.

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wrenchwench  Aug 5, 2017 • 10:11:31am

re: #191 b_sharp

I debated getting into an argument with you about whether it’s a room full or a cavern full but didn’t want to start an echo chamber.

That would make me batty.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 5, 2017 • 10:11:47am

re: #191 b_sharp

I debated getting into an argument with you about whether it’s a room full or a cavern full but didn’t want to start an echo chamber.

A void another engagement at all costs.

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b_sharp  Aug 5, 2017 • 10:12:59am

re: #188 Decatur Deb

VB doesn’t work Saturdays.

Damn. Lots of rhubarb, we just need a crust artist to transform it.

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b_sharp  Aug 5, 2017 • 10:14:25am

re: #193 wrenchwench

That would make me batty.

Not a long flight for either of us.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 5, 2017 • 10:15:36am

I’m bach’ing this week and forgot to make lunch.

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ObserverArt  Aug 5, 2017 • 10:16:08am

re: #193 wrenchwench

That would make me batty.

New Mexico…batty…that works.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 5, 2017 • 10:17:37am

re: #198 ObserverArt

New Mexico…batty…that works.

Want to know why English opera sucks? We have “bats”. Italians have “pipistrelle”.

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wrenchwench  Aug 5, 2017 • 10:18:12am

re: #198 ObserverArt

New Mexico…batty…that works.

Especially in Carlsbad. They roost in the Caverns.

(I have some Wisconsin relatives with ‘Batty’ as a surname.)

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Bear  Aug 5, 2017 • 10:18:55am

Back to the treadmill. Will try to do another quarter or half mile.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 5, 2017 • 10:20:55am

re: #201 Bear

Back to the treadmill. Will try to do another quarter or half mile.

C130 Rolling Down The Strip - Military Running Cadence

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wrenchwench  Aug 5, 2017 • 10:21:47am

re: #201 Bear

Back to the treadmill. Will try to do another quarter or half mile.

Go Bear!

A guy came in the shop this week to ask about putting his treadmill on consignment. I can’t wait to try it! (My PT guy wouldn’t let me use the treadmill because of balance issues. He had me on the elliptical or a stationary bike.)

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Dave In Austin  Aug 5, 2017 • 10:21:50am

re: #191 b_sharp

I’m working weekend nites and had one eye on them open tab last nite. I can be opinionated as hell when is comes to religion. BUT…., I also hold to my truth which is “God is none of my business”. So unless I’m asked, I stay out of it.

There is a core of really smart people here. In the end, common sense always rules the day in any debate, and fools have a shelf life of appx. 3 days.

There’s also a lot of comfort with the age class. Lots of “old hippies” like me who still believe all the things that happened “BR” (before Reagan) were worth it and still have strong meaning and value.

Everyone needs to do the nite shift here now and then.

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Le Coquí Résistance  Aug 5, 2017 • 10:22:57am

Thank you everyone. {{{hugs}}}

re: #242 CleverToad

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Decatur Deb  Aug 5, 2017 • 10:23:37am

re: #203 wrenchwench

Go Bear!

A guy came in the shop this week to ask about putting his treadmill on consignment. I can’t wait to try it! (My PT guy wouldn’t let me use the treadmill because of balance issues. He had me on the elliptical or a stationary bike.)

Go Wench!

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Bear  Aug 5, 2017 • 10:26:01am

re: #203 wrenchwench

I only walk on it so hold on to the arm rest. Far too old to run at all.

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makeitstop  Aug 5, 2017 • 10:26:07am

Curious, isn’t it?
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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 5, 2017 • 10:27:55am

re: #208 makeitstop

Rock this hashtag and see who flips.

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wrenchwench  Aug 5, 2017 • 10:29:36am

re: #207 Bear

I only walk on it so hold on to the arm rest. Far too old to run at all.

I’ll be holding on.

Most people my age get sore knees when they try running, but I’ve been a cyclist most of my life, so I’m enjoying a second youth getting around a track. Last time I tried running was in college, 40 years ago.

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 5, 2017 • 10:31:52am

re: #179 FormerDirtDart

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This is it. I went to college with a bunch of over-privileged dicks who would take their food at lunch outside the cafeteria on trays to eat on the steps, then just leave everything and walk away. I’d ask some of them why they didn’t pick up their stuff and throw it away and return the trays: “my tuition pays for those janitors who are always standing around so I’m giving them something to do” was a response that stuck with me. Entirely missing the point of what it means to be a decent human being and member of society.

Should add: this was a southern school with predominantly white student body and predominantly AA workers. The white students, though, mostly came from northern states and private high schools.

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 5, 2017 • 10:36:32am

re: #179 FormerDirtDart

“to do it for us.”

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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 5, 2017 • 10:37:09am

You kids and your technology. //
So I’m reading up on how Backwater wants to sell a turn key air force / air logistics service to the Afghanistan central gov. Okay pretty controversial. Blackwater?! Discussion worthy some day perhaps. But then I ran across this tidbit.

The attack planes would be linked to troops on the ground in part via an iPhone app called SafeStrike, commercial software that can help deconflict airspace over a given area and mark targets.

There is an app for that for that? Words fail.
Ht TheDrive

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 5, 2017 • 10:38:34am

re: #179 FormerDirtDart

Miller is the asshole that uses a calculator to figure out EXACTLY what the 15% tip is if he even tips at all.

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calochortus  Aug 5, 2017 • 10:41:14am

re: #214 Ace Rothstein

Miller is the asshole that uses a calculator to figure out EXACTLY what the 15% tip is if he even tips at all.

a.) You need a calculator to do that? 10%+1/2 of 10%.
b.) 20% and round up especially at inexpensive ethnic places…

edit: not you specifically, just the general “you”

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 5, 2017 • 10:43:42am

re: #215 calochortus

In my server days, there were people that really did use a calculator. And you got 15% and not a cent more.

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calochortus  Aug 5, 2017 • 10:44:54am

re: #216 Ace Rothstein

In my server days, there were people that really did use a calculator. And you got 15% and not a cent more.

Depends on how long ago, although the calculator thing is silly. 15% did used to be the standard.

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makeitstop  Aug 5, 2017 • 10:48:33am

Here’s a really good essay by former NBA player Ray Allen - Why I Went to Auschwitz

This part makes me angry and sad.

When I returned home to America, I got some very disheartening messages directed toward me on social media regarding my trip. Some people didn’t like the fact that I was going to Poland to raise awareness for the issues that happened there and not using that time or energy to support people in the black community.

I was told my ancestors would be ashamed of me.

I know there are trolls online and I shouldn’t even pay attention, but that one sort of got to me. Because I understood where they were coming from. I understand that there are plenty of issues in our own country right now, but they were looking at my trip the wrong way. I didn’t go to Poland as black person, a white person, a Christian person or a Jewish person — I went as a human being.

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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 5, 2017 • 10:49:05am

re: #217 calochortus
re: #216 Ace Rothstein

I had to switch to 20% when they changed how taxes work here. I also favor small biz/family run. Taking care of my food in my chosen quality time moment like date night is worth it.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 5, 2017 • 10:50:56am
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sagehen  Aug 5, 2017 • 10:50:59am

re: #217 calochortus

Depends on how long ago, although the calculator thing is silly. 15% did used to be the standard.

When they changed the law so restaurants could pay “tipped workers” less than 1/2 of minimum wage… that’s when I upped my tips from 15% to 20-25%.

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Birth Control Works  Aug 5, 2017 • 10:53:48am

It’s funny, but good news that Republican voters are losing their optimism in Trump. Optimism That is one in six Republicans who are now saying they are mainly pessimistic about his tenure. To that, many of us are saying: duh.

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b_sharp  Aug 5, 2017 • 10:56:33am

re: #194 Decatur Deb

A void another engagement at all costs.

That describes my philosophy of mind.

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Birth Control Works  Aug 5, 2017 • 10:56:36am

re: #216 Ace Rothstein

In my server days, there were people that really did use a calculator. And you got 15% and not a cent more.

Sounds like my Mom. I round up or down depending on the level of service and figure 20%. I usually then round up because it’s easier to add on the signature slip.

.42 cents isn’t going to break me and it means a lot for the server.

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Birth Control Works  Aug 5, 2017 • 11:01:45am

Bannon Admits Trump’s Cabinet Nominees Were Selected To Destroy Their Agencies.

CPAC this week Stephen Bannon, the Chief Advisor and intellectual heft behind the Twittering infant that sits in the Oval Office, provided a little glimpse of the future he has planned for all of us.

In the clearest explanation for why nearly all of Trump’s cabinet choices are known mostly for despising and attacking the very Federal agencies they’ve been designated to lead, Bannon explained—in very clear language—that they weren’t appointed to lead these agencies, but to destroy them:

Atop Trump’s agenda, Bannon said, was the “deconstruction of the administrative state” — meaning a system of taxes, regulations and trade pacts that the president and his advisers believe stymie economic growth and infringe upon one’s sovereignty.

“If you look at these Cabinet nominees, they were selected for a reason, and that is deconstruction,” Bannon said. He posited that Trump’s announcement withdrawing from the Trans-Pacific Partnership was “one of the most pivotal moments in modern American history.”

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stpaulbear  Aug 5, 2017 • 11:04:33am

re: #224 Birth Control Works

Sounds like my Mom. I round up or down depending on the level of service and figure 20%. I usually then round up because it’s easier to add on the signature slip.

.42 cents isn’t going to break me and it means a lot for the server.

My youngest sister was a restaurant server in her younger days so I heard all of the horror stories. When I’m tipping, I go with 20% and then (if I’m paying with a CC) round up the tab+tip to the next whole dollar. Service has to be really bad for me to tip less than 20%. At a few places, I even tip a bit a bit when I order pick-up meals to-go. I’m not rich by any means but I know that servers aren’t making shit for wages and the conditions often suck.

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b_sharp  Aug 5, 2017 • 11:04:48am

re: #204 Dave In Austin

I’m working weekend nites and had one eye on them open tab last nite. I can be opinionated as hell when is comes to religion. BUT…., I also hold to my truth which is “God is none of my business”. So unless I’m asked, I stay out of it.

There is a core of really smart people here. In the end, common sense always rules the day in any debate, and fools have a shelf life of appx. 3 days.

There’s also a lot of comfort with the age class. Lots of “old hippies” like me who still believe all the things that happened “BR” (before Reagan) were worth it and still have strong meaning and value.

Everyone needs to do the nite shift here now and then.

If a theist comes up to me exclaiming how fantastic her/his religion is, I have no problem pointing out how full of crap that idea is. If a creationist comes up to me telling me how wrong science/atheism is (they always link the two) I will explain to him/her in great detail how full of shit he/she is. If a theist comes up to me and wants to reasonably discuss religion I will do so.

Putting up with shit isn’t something I’ll do in any case.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 5, 2017 • 11:05:08am

re: #143 Decatur Deb

They had a particularly bad “infant mortality” phase. Some of that was using them with operational troop loads too early in development, some was bad decisionmaking on the hydraulics design. Hard to tell if they are well-loved now.

One killer was the rigid blade design and a lack of understanding what the implications of that were. Traditional helicopter blades will bend against and absorb some of the turbulence caused by their own downthrust and ground effect. Osprey blades are rigid and thus transmit almost all precessional and vibrational forces directly to the drive shaft & bearings. This lack of flexibility also meant the Osprey could just fall right through into its own thrust and produce a condition where they were producing no lift, so pilots couldn’t come down as fast as a helicopter without risking a crash landing.

The really deadly thing about the Osprey was that all of it’s problems tended to mask each other and weren’t easily modeled by then available software, so they kept thinking they’d solved everything when they hadn’t and so they kept putting Marines back in them long before it was safe to do so.

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b_sharp  Aug 5, 2017 • 11:07:25am

re: #210 wrenchwench

I’ll be holding on.

Most people my age get sore knees when they try running, but I’ve been a cyclist most of my life, so I’m enjoying a second youth getting around a track. Last time I tried running was in college, 40 years ago.

I walk 3 miles a night on our treadmill. I’ll start running at the end of August (I made a schedule)

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wrenchwench  Aug 5, 2017 • 11:09:12am

re: #226 Birth Control Works

Bannon Admits Trump’s Cabinet Nominees Were Selected To Destroy Their Agencies.

CPAC this week Stephen Bannon, the Chief Advisor and intellectual heft behind the Twittering infant that sits in the Oval Office…[…]

‘Heft’, yes. ‘Intellectual’, no.

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Birth Control Works  Aug 5, 2017 • 11:10:32am

re: #218 makeitstop

Here’s a really good essay by former NBA player Ray Allen - Why I Went to Auschwitz

This part makes me angry and sad.

One question keeps repeating over and over and over in your mind: How can human beings do this to one another?

How does somebody process that? You can’t.

Well written

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b_sharp  Aug 5, 2017 • 11:12:12am

re: #219 Unshaken Defiance

I had to switch to 20% when they changed how taxes work here. I also favor small biz/family run. Taking care of my food in my chosen quality time moment like date night is worth it.

I tip according to service. 15% for fair service, 20% for good service & 0% if the card reader tries to force a tip out of me.

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wrenchwench  Aug 5, 2017 • 11:16:34am

re: #230 b_sharp

I walk 3 miles a night on our treadmill. I’ll start running at the end of August (I made a schedule)

I made my twice-weekly runs into a ‘big deal’ mentally, so I would stick with it (and I thought I would make it thrice weekly before now, but they exhaust me, so I do it on my days off). Making a schedule sounds like a good thing. I keep a record on a paper tablet; time, # of laps, percent of time in target heart-rate zone, notes on where, weather & stuff, to keep me going.

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calochortus  Aug 5, 2017 • 11:17:10am

BBL. Must do stuff.

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dangerman  Aug 5, 2017 • 11:17:52am

re: #220 Dave In Austin

[Embedded content]

Nice slogan

What exactly have you done?

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b_sharp  Aug 5, 2017 • 11:18:57am

re: #234 wrenchwench

I made my twice-weekly runs into a ‘big deal’ mentally, so I would stick with it (and I thought I would make it thrice weekly before now, but they exhaust me, so I do it on my days off). Making a schedule sounds like a good thing. I keep a record on a paper tablet; time, # of laps, percent of time in target heart-rate zone, notes on where, weather & stuff, to keep me going.

They still make paper tablets?

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dangerman  Aug 5, 2017 • 11:22:16am

re: #228 b_sharp

If a theist comes up to me exclaiming how fantastic her/his religion is, I have no problem pointing out how full of crap that idea is. If a creationist comes up to me telling me how wrong science/atheism is (they always link the two) I will explain to him/her in great detail how full of shit he/she is. If a theist comes up to me and wants to reasonably discuss religion I will do so.

Putting up with shit isn’t something I’ll do in any case.

I don’t care what anybody thinks until they try to tell me what I can and cant do

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wrenchwench  Aug 5, 2017 • 11:22:53am

re: #237 b_sharp

They still make paper tablets?

Not sure, I think I’m working on my old stash of them.

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b_sharp  Aug 5, 2017 • 11:23:06am

re: #234 wrenchwench

I made my twice-weekly runs into a ‘big deal’ mentally, so I would stick with it (and I thought I would make it thrice weekly before now, but they exhaust me, so I do it on my days off). Making a schedule sounds like a good thing. I keep a record on a paper tablet; time, # of laps, percent of time in target heart-rate zone, notes on where, weather & stuff, to keep me going.

I finally reached a point where I don’t get tired quite so fast. Even walking up and down the hills here in Vancouver isn’t too bad for me.

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ObserverArt  Aug 5, 2017 • 11:23:14am

re: #218 makeitstop

Here’s a really good essay by former NBA player Ray Allen - Why I Went to Auschwitz

This part makes me angry and sad.

Good for Ray. That was the proper response.

What is up with folks these days??? So quick to want to see the downside and spend no time to look for the upsides…which really are the important parts.

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dangerman  Aug 5, 2017 • 11:23:44am

re: #234 wrenchwench

I made my twice-weekly runs into a ‘big deal’ mentally, so I would stick with it (and I thought I would make it thrice weekly before now, but they exhaust me, so I do it on my days off). Making a schedule sounds like a good thing. I keep a record on a paper tablet; time, # of laps, percent of time in target heart-rate zone, notes on where, weather & stuff, to keep me going.

!

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jaunte  Aug 5, 2017 • 11:24:53am

CREW files Emoluments Response

Washington—In response to the government’s motion to dismiss CREW v. Trump, the landmark emoluments clause lawsuit, an all-star legal team representing Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW), Restaurant Opportunities Centers (ROC) United, Jill Phaneuf, and Eric Goode today filed a brief rejecting the Department of Justice’s argument that President Trump should be allowed to accept all manner of payments and benefits from foreign and domestic governments attempting to buy influence with him.
…….
“Diplomats openly claim that they patronize the President’s hotels to curry favor with him as President—a blatant violation on any reading,” the filing continues. “But the full extent of his violations cannot be ascertained because he has gone to great lengths to keep his finances secret. They are kept secret not only from the public and Congress but even from his own Justice Department lawyers, who are thus in no position to assure the Court that he is not currently violating the Emoluments Clauses. And, in fact, they offer no such assurances.”

….

…The government’s response is due September 22.
citizensforethics.org

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b_sharp  Aug 5, 2017 • 11:25:30am

re: #238 dangerman

I don’t care what anybody thinks until they try to tell me what I can and cant do

Depends on how they approach me. They can believe whatever they want as long as they leave me, others and laws alone.

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wrenchwench  Aug 5, 2017 • 11:27:01am

re: #240 b_sharp

I finally reached a point where I don’t get tired quite so fast. Even walking up and down the hills here in Vancouver isn’t too bad for me.

I blame the altitude here (6,000 ft., don’t know the conversion to Canadian) although it’s only supposed to take three weeks to get used to it. I’ve lived here 22 years.

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ObserverArt  Aug 5, 2017 • 11:27:03am

re: #226 Birth Control Works

Bannon Admits Trump’s Cabinet Nominees Were Selected To Destroy Their Agencies.

Grrrrr.

Too many people didn’t realize they were voting for Bannon.

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dangerman  Aug 5, 2017 • 11:27:06am

re: #244 b_sharp

Depends on how they approach me. They can believe whatever they want as long as they leave me, others and laws alone.

You said it better

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makeitstop  Aug 5, 2017 • 11:29:01am

re: #241 ObserverArt

Good for Ray. That was the proper response.

What is up with folks these days??? So quick to want to see the downside and spend no time to look for the upsides…which really are the important parts.

I liked the part where he talked about taking younger teammates to the Holocaust Museum in DC.

That’s why ‘veteran leadership’ is so important. Not just as far as teaching the game, but teaching life as well.

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b_sharp  Aug 5, 2017 • 11:29:05am

re: #245 wrenchwench

I blame the altitude here (6,000 ft., don’t know the conversion to Canadian) although it’s only supposed to take three weeks to get used to it. I’ve lived here 22 years.

Just under 2000 metres. I live at 500 metres, much lower.

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jaunte  Aug 5, 2017 • 11:30:10am

Everybody lording it over us 3-meter people.

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b_sharp  Aug 5, 2017 • 11:31:52am

re: #250 jaunte

Everybody lording it over us 3-meter people.

Yesterday I was no more than 3 metres above sea level. Right now about 30.

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Birth Control Works  Aug 5, 2017 • 11:32:36am

re: #243 jaunte

VOCABULARY WORD OF THE DAY:

emolument (n.) Look up emolument at dictionary.com
mid-15c., from Old French émolument “advantage, gain, benefit; income, revenue” (13c.) and directly from Latin emolumentum “profit, gain, advantage, benefit,” perhaps originally “payment to a miller for grinding corn,” from emolere “grind out,” from assimilated form of ex “out” (see ex-) + molere “to grind” (from PIE root *mele- “to crush, grind”).

From grain to gain: the origin of “emolument”

These conflicts may violate Article 1, Section 9 of the US Constitution, the anti-aristocratic and anti-bribery “Emoluments Clause”:

No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.

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jaunte  Aug 5, 2017 • 11:32:57am

re: #251 b_sharp

Lately I’ve been wondering if my retirement site target of 120m elevation is going to be enough.

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jaunte  Aug 5, 2017 • 11:34:04am

re: #252 Birth Control Works

“Grinding out the presidential profits.”

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Birth Control Works  Aug 5, 2017 • 11:35:36am

re: #241 ObserverArt

Good for Ray. That was the proper response.

What is up with folks these days??? So quick to want to see the downside and spend no time to look for the upsides…which really are the important parts.

excellent website. I signed up for their emails.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 5, 2017 • 11:37:15am

re: #255 Birth Control Works

excellent website. I signed up for their emails.

Me too!

Thanks MIS for turning us onto it.

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gocart mozart  Aug 5, 2017 • 11:39:34am
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jaunte  Aug 5, 2017 • 11:44:04am

re: #257 gocart mozart

Is there a multisyllabic German word for people who think the worst of their nearest political opposition but have a hard time believing in hostile foreign powers?

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gocart mozart  Aug 5, 2017 • 11:48:39am
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Birth Control Works  Aug 5, 2017 • 11:50:44am

Karma Just Slapped “Pharma Bro” Hard

Martin Shkreli, the former pharmaceutical CEO who found public notoriety as the “Pharma Bro” after a price gouging scandal, was convicted earlier today on three of eight counts he had faced, which had included securities fraud and conspiracy to commit both securities fraud and wire fraud. A jury found him guilty of conspiracy to commit securities fraud, and two counts of securities fraud. He now faces 20 years in prison.

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gocart mozart  Aug 5, 2017 • 11:51:36am

re: #258 jaunte

Is there a multisyllabic German word for people who think the worst of their nearest political opposition but have a hard time believing in hostile foreign powers?

Brobrueningshearer

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Birth Control Works  Aug 5, 2017 • 11:55:11am

Companies Can Now Turn Your Deceased Love Ones into Diamonds

ummm, still waiting for Mom’s cremains to be returned from the Anatomical Gift Society of IL.

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jaunte  Aug 5, 2017 • 11:55:34am
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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 5, 2017 • 11:55:41am

Um.

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 5, 2017 • 11:57:21am

Was Harry Shearer a Bernie guy or Jill Stein guy? Either way, he’s been a real dope. Disappointed.

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gocart mozart  Aug 5, 2017 • 11:59:12am

re: #1 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

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b_sharp  Aug 5, 2017 • 12:02:21pm

At my son’s now. Later lizards.

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Birth Control Works  Aug 5, 2017 • 12:06:40pm

My cousin’s husband’s band is playing at the Full Throttle Saloon tonite.

How Kewl is that?

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makeitstop  Aug 5, 2017 • 12:07:58pm

re: #256 Stanley Sea

Me too!

Thanks MIS for turning us onto it.

That’s Derek Jeter’s site. Always something good to read on it, either straight up sports or pro athletes writing about other stuff.

That Lamar Odom story that was posted here last week was from there.

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makeitstop  Aug 5, 2017 • 12:11:04pm

re: #265 GlutenFreeJesus

[Embedded content]

Um.

He’s got that crap 300 watt Marshall. Those sound awful. He prolly bought it because it was loud and expensive.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 5, 2017 • 12:11:36pm

re: #270 makeitstop

That’s Derek Jeter’s site. Always something good to read on it, either straight up sports or pro athletes writing about other stuff.

That Lamar Odom story that was posted here last week was from there.

Ahhh. Never knew. Again, thanks!

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retired cynic  Aug 5, 2017 • 12:13:18pm

Excellent article, from Jay Rosen, on discrediting the press as the only thing DT is able to work toward.

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gocart mozart  Aug 5, 2017 • 12:14:04pm
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Birth Control Works  Aug 5, 2017 • 12:22:24pm
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TedStriker  Aug 5, 2017 • 12:23:16pm

re: #269 Birth Control Works

My cousin’s husband’s band is playing at the Full Throttle Saloon tonite.

How Kewl is that?

I thought the Full Throttle in Sturgis burnt down…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 5, 2017 • 12:24:10pm
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freetoken  Aug 5, 2017 • 12:26:35pm

Latest news from the European populist-nationalist front:

Finns Party leadership proposes hardliner Huhtasaari as presidential candidate

[…]

As one of the most vocal opponents of immigration in her party, she has demanded that asylum seekers be denied entry in Finland “by all means necessary”, said the fear that Islam inspires can be explained by “Muslim backwardness”, and visited the makeshift camp of the far-right Suomi Ensin (Finland First) group that has ties to neo-Nazis.

She has questioned the reasoning behind basic human rights, and suggested that sex offenders be deported to Estonia for punishment.

A frequent visitor to the USA, she has also made no secret of her admiration for US President Donald Trump. A teacher by profession, she has also criticised evolution on social media.

“People are just not animals and never were. It is an impossible theory that humans descended from animals over time. Such a perfect, systematic world could not have occurred by accident… Even if I didn’t believe in God, I would not believe in Darwin either,” she has written on Facebook.

[…]

Donald Trump and the creationists - sounds like it ought to be the name of a documentary.

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 5, 2017 • 12:27:47pm
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Birth Control Works  Aug 5, 2017 • 12:28:26pm
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makeitstop  Aug 5, 2017 • 12:29:14pm

re: #278 freetoken

Donald Trump and the creationists - sounds like it ought to be the name of a documentary.

Or a terrible band.

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Birth Control Works  Aug 5, 2017 • 12:31:28pm

re: #276 TedStriker

I thought the Full Throttle in Sturgis burnt down…

Full Throttle

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Birth Control Works  Aug 5, 2017 • 12:34:17pm

bbl

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Stanley Sea  Aug 5, 2017 • 12:36:50pm
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jaunte  Aug 5, 2017 • 12:40:01pm
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The Spite House  Aug 5, 2017 • 12:41:48pm
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jaunte  Aug 5, 2017 • 12:43:41pm

re: #286 The Spite House

Checkin’ Out.

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The Spite House  Aug 5, 2017 • 12:44:44pm

re: #287 jaunte

Checkin’ Out.

If there is a god she must be pissed.

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ObserverArt  Aug 5, 2017 • 12:45:12pm

re: #265 GlutenFreeJesus

[Embedded content]

Um.

Saw that bit this early morning on a repeat.

He is a piece of work. I heard him say outside the courthouse yesterday that it all was a witch hunt. More mini-trump.

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ObserverArt  Aug 5, 2017 • 12:50:46pm

re: #286 The Spite House

[Embedded content]

Ha. I hope he is gone. Bust all of them up. F FOX!

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Teukka  Aug 5, 2017 • 12:51:55pm

re: #267 gocart mozart

[Embedded content]

Backpfeifengesicht is one german word I love. Another is hackfresse.

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JordanRules  Aug 5, 2017 • 12:56:47pm
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dangerman  Aug 5, 2017 • 1:17:01pm

re: #292 JordanRules

[Embedded content]I’m not saying listening to rap makes you a criminal, but 100% of the people who bought the last Wu-Tang album are now facing prison time

“mother’s milk leads to heroin”


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