The Bob Cesca Show: Republican Ham Sandwich

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Today’s program from our podcasting affiliate, The Bob Cesca Show:

Republican Ham Sandwich: Buzz Burbank from Buzz Burbank News & Comment is here; Trump threatens ‘fire’ and ‘fury’ against North Korea; Talking to Trump supporters; Eric Bolling suspended for dick pics; Trump and the GOP are lying about the economy; Disastrous poll numbers for Biff; Hannity suing Obama officials based on Chuck Johnson lies; Brian Williams and normalizing Trump; and much more.

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Kragar  Aug 8, 2017 • 4:27:36pm
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nines09  Aug 8, 2017 • 4:30:36pm

If this mother fucking piece of shit wasn’t in office we would be talking about the upcoming NFL and NBA and NHL seasons, and the baseball odds on the WS. Oh, and there is a eclipse…..or a asteroid, or meteor or mother ship or some other…….Fuck the GOP in the neck with a rusty hanger.

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Belafon  Aug 8, 2017 • 4:34:01pm

re: #2 nines09

If this mother fucking piece of shit wasn’t in office we would be talking about the upcoming NFL and NBA and NHL seasons, and the baseball odds on the WS. Oh, and there is a eclipse…..or a asteroid, or meteor or mother ship or some other…….Fuck the GOP in the neck with a rusty hanger.

NK would be doing the same thing regardless. The difference would be that we would be talking about email and Benghazi and how Clinton is leading from behind.

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Interesting Times  Aug 8, 2017 • 4:36:11pm
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Skip Intro  Aug 8, 2017 • 4:38:12pm

re: #3 Belafon

NK would be doing the same thing regardless. The difference would be that we would be talking about email and Benghazi and how Clinton is leading from behind.

We’d probably be in the third month of Clinton impeachment hearings.

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gocart mozart  Aug 8, 2017 • 4:39:16pm
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Myron Falwell  Aug 8, 2017 • 4:40:11pm
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Myron Falwell  Aug 8, 2017 • 4:42:11pm
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Kragar  Aug 8, 2017 • 4:42:16pm
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JordanRules  Aug 8, 2017 • 4:42:51pm

re: #4 Interesting Times

Oh wow.
Why were they even interviewing him? His mediocrity has been giving him so much access for so long and there were tons of enablers.

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Weaselone  Aug 8, 2017 • 4:42:59pm

re: #3 Belafon

NK would be doing the same thing regardless. The difference would be that we would be talking about email and Benghazi and how Clinton is leading from behind.

Not necessarily. North Korea has ramped up testing since Obama left office. There’s a good chance with a President Clinton that we might be looking at a significant delay in these activities, if not some sort of deal involving food and fuel for a missile/nuclear freeze given the impending famine in NK.

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Kragar  Aug 8, 2017 • 4:43:32pm
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goddamnedfrank  Aug 8, 2017 • 4:46:02pm
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ObserverArt  Aug 8, 2017 • 4:48:24pm

Hmmm…seems a good time to bring this Photoshop back up from the library.

Donald Trump in his Trump Tower Office Doing the Important Presidential Work
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Myron Falwell  Aug 8, 2017 • 4:49:40pm

Yeah, I’m probably going to have to drop off for a while because of this bullshit.

If we’re all dead before then, or if the crippled national electric grid makes the internet cease to exist, it was nice knowing all of you.

I wish I could say this in jest. We’re doomed.

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KGxvi  Aug 8, 2017 • 4:50:03pm

I do wonder about Kim Jong Un’s thought process. Even when one appears crazy to others, there is usually some sort of internal logic driving the decision making. If his goal is to hold power, then building nuclear weapons is probably a good way to prevent foreign countries from toppling your regime (countries with nuclear weapons tend not to get invaded, while those without them tend to get invaded). Is he interested in invading South Korea or otherwise expanding his territory? These are the kind of questions that are probably worth considering, and definitely not the one’s being asked in this administration.

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Targetpractice  Aug 8, 2017 • 4:50:13pm

You have two world leaders whose regimes are growing shakier every day, whose power bases are shrinking, and who live in constant fear that even their closest allies are secretly plotting to overthrow them.

The only difference is that Trump hasn’t started shooting his generals…yet.

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Skip Intro  Aug 8, 2017 • 4:51:19pm

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Decatur Deb  Aug 8, 2017 • 4:53:24pm

re: #15 Myron Falwell

Yeah, I’m probably going to have to drop off for a while because of this bullshit.

If we’re all dead before then, or if the crippled national electric grid makes the internet cease to exist, it was nice knowing all of you.

I wish I could say this in jest. We’re doomed.

You are seeing a national over-reaction accelerated by the Intertubes and bored newsmen.
The fear is salubrious, because nothing else is going to get this populace out to pull its collective head out of its ass.

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ObserverArt  Aug 8, 2017 • 4:54:43pm

re: #10 JordanRules

Oh wow.
Why were they even interviewing him? His mediocrity has been giving him so much access for so long and there were tons of enablers.

Trump has always been a V.I.P.

In TV parlance that means Very Interesting (for TV) Person. He has been in the news one way or another since the late 70s. He has always practiced “all publicity is good publicity” thinking and it has worked for him. Sadly so.

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No Depression  Aug 8, 2017 • 4:55:36pm

I’m hoping that all of this is just bluster from both sides. There is reason to suspect that it is IMO.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 8, 2017 • 4:56:23pm
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nines09  Aug 8, 2017 • 4:56:43pm

New Orleans via rail from Philly. Down to Birmingham Alabama, where the bar car was dropped and if you wanted alcohol, you got off with money in hand and ran down that rail yard to a local black bar and bought all you could carry. You thanked them for not ripping you off entirely and bought a few drinks for the old timers. Then you ran back and went on to the pursuit of ice for the next leg. And that year was 1974. And Glenn Campbell was king of the Krewe of Bacchus. Me and a few of my close friends made that trip. No Pullman car for us, we rented 50 cent pillows…slept in our seats. Nothing fancy but Old Turkey and Jack.
Slept in Tulane Stadium one night. Slept in roach hotels, had to roll the drunks away from the door to get in. The Superdome was just being built. You could see it from where I was, and I was all over. French Quarter. Spanish Quarter. Jackson Square, the street Hurricane stalls, Pat O’Briens and the famous flaming fountains. Home of the Hurricane. We got in town on a Wednesday before the show. The bouncer was 6’7” and had a cane and a legal set of silver knuckles, his rings. We hit it off, and he told us his stories and showed us his scars. Amazing dude. We somehow got free drinks for two nights….they liked us.
And today Glen Campbell went home.
I always said I was going to go back to NO and throw dollar bills down to the street and watch the mayhem from my fancy veranda,,,
Zulu was another trip…

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Decatur Deb  Aug 8, 2017 • 4:58:01pm

re: #23 nines09

New Orleans via rail from Philly. Down to Birmingham Alabama, where the bar car was dropped and if you wanted alcohol, you got off with money in hand and ran down that rail yard to a local black bar and bought all you could carry. You thanked them for not ripping you off entirely and bought a few drinks for the old timers. Then you ran back and went on to the pursuit of ice for the next leg. And that year was 1974. And Glenn Campbell was king of the Krewe of Bacchus. Me and a few of my close friends made that trip. No Pullman car for us, we rented 50 cent pillows…slept in our seats. Nothing fancy but Old Turkey and Jack.
Slept in Tulane Stadium one night. Slept in roach hotels, had to roll the drunks away from the door to get in. The Superdome was just being built. You could see it from where I was, and I was all over. French Quarter. Spanish Quarter. Jackson Square, the street Hurricane stalls, Pat O’Briens and the famous flaming fountains. Home of the Hurricane. We got in town on a Wednesday before the show. The bouncer was 6’7” and had a cane and a legal set of silver knuckles, his rings. We hit it off, and he told us his stories and showed us his scars. Amazing dude. We somehow got free drinks for two nights….they liked us.
And today Glen Campbell went home.
I always said I was going to go back to NO and throw dollar bills down to the street and watch the mayhem from my fancy veranda,,,
Zulu was another trip…

You can still make that trip on the Crescent City.

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Kragar  Aug 8, 2017 • 4:58:03pm
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Barefoot Grin  Aug 8, 2017 • 4:58:40pm

re: #2 nines09

If this mother fucking piece of shit wasn’t in office we would be talking about the upcoming NFL and NBA and NHL seasons, and the baseball odds on the WS. Oh, and there is a eclipse…..or a asteroid, or meteor or mother ship or some other…….Fuck the GOP in the neck with a rusty hanger.

Or the ungodly early release of pumpkin-flavored beer.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 8, 2017 • 4:59:33pm
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nines09  Aug 8, 2017 • 4:59:42pm

re: #24 Decatur Deb

I hope so. From Philly I don’t know. 30th street station….2 and one half day then. And you had rail legs, like sea legs. When you finally stopped moving, your legs didn’t.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:00:44pm
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No Depression  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:01:29pm

A couple of years ago, I never would’ve thought that nuclear war was a real possibility in my lifetime. Goddammit.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:01:35pm

re: #28 nines09

I hope so. From Philly I don’t know. 30th street station….2 and one half day then.

Next time I go to NYC I’m going to ride it as far as Birmingham. Would have this time, but nostalgia required I take Greyhound.

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Targetpractice  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:01:36pm

re: #21 No Depression

I’m hoping that all of this is just bluster from both sides. There is reason to suspect that it is IMO.

You’ve two very irrational men who have a need (Trump’s is psychological, Kim’s is political) to be seen as strong against a threat. If either backs down, it will not be because cooler heads have prevailed, but because the limits of their ability to make threats have been reached.

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ObserverArt  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:01:59pm

re: #21 No Depression

I’m hoping that all of this is just bluster from both sides. There is reason to suspect that it is IMO.

I’m waiting for our Military to tell Trump where to stick it myself.

I think we are closer to a military led ouster of Trump, call it a coup if you want, than we are a nuke shootout.

Will it happen, probably not? I hope the Republican party gets its shit together first and takes him down.

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gocart mozart  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:02:24pm

The author of “The Art of the Deal” gives his opinion on our present situation.

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Maxwell Not So Smart  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:02:53pm

I saw something today that generally said: Trump is an incompetent boob with no experience that has attacked and alienated all the people with the experience, knowledge that could potentially help keep him from fucking everything up.

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Targetpractice  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:03:02pm

re: #27 goddamnedfrank

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Amazing how all the Iraq War cheerleaders are suddenly out shaking their pom-pons again for another war. You might almost think they didn’t learn their lesson the last go around.

/////

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:03:32pm

If we could only just blast Trump and North Korea off the face of the earth.

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jaunte  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:03:49pm

Robert Jeffress is Rapturous at the prospect.

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Kragar  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:04:15pm

re: #27 goddamnedfrank

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Charles Johnson  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:05:09pm
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Kragar  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:05:28pm

re: #38 jaunte

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:06:02pm

48 years ago I took a drama class at Wayne State University taught by Jeffrey. My brush with celebrity. :)

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Targetpractice  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:06:03pm

re: #33 ObserverArt

I’m waiting for our Military to tell Trump where to stick it myself.

I think we are closer to a military led ouster of Trump, call it a coup if you want, than we are a nuke shootout.

Will it happen, probably not? I hope the Republican party gets its shit together first and takes him down.

We’ve seen this shit play out again and again, we hope that the generals in charge will reign in a warmongering president, then we find out that the career-minded bastards were willing to tell the administration what it wanted to hear if it got them closer to that next star and cushier job. Anybody thinking he’ll be the one to talk sense might as well have an attendant whispering in his ear “Remember Shinseki.”

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jaunte  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:06:05pm
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lawhawk  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:06:07pm

re: #22 goddamnedfrank

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majii  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:06:22pm

re: #33 ObserverArt

“I hope the Republican party gets its shit together first and takes him down.”

GOPer leaders in Congress are mighty quiet. Why haven’t any of them said anything about Trump’s unwarranted threat to nuke NK? I’m thinking they’re sh*tting bricks right about now.

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nines09  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:06:38pm

re: #31 Decatur Deb

I’m sure what I experienced is mostly gone. Like where I came from. But if you get the chance, do it. It was dry counties back then. Bar car off limits. the scenes from the windows when we weren’t playing cards or drinking was real stark. Shacks on stilts…Shotgun shacks…Like urban slum but alone.

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Interesting Times  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:07:45pm

re: #30 No Depression

A couple of years ago, I never would’ve thought that nuclear war was a real possibility in my lifetime. Goddammit.

On that note, this thread is a sobering read:

One (relatively speaking) bright spot, however:

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No Depression  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:08:50pm

re: #46 majii

“I hope the Republican party gets its shit together first and takes him down.”

GOPer leaders in Congress are mighty quiet. Why haven’t any of them said anything about Trump’s unwarranted threat to nuke NK? I’m thinking they’re sh*tting bricks right about now.

What they should be doing right now is flying back to DC to draft articles of impeachment immediately.

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JordanRules  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:09:04pm

re: #36 Targetpractice

Yup. There are a number of reasons why each party is salivating over this.

And don’t forget these folks at Fox are collaborating with the WH.
We also have TurnipTV in the mix.

Russia’s disinfo campaign will ramp up more and some factions of the Alt-left will continue to operate like the Alt-right.

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Skip Intro  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:09:10pm

re: #32 Targetpractice

By tomorrow Trump will have read all the glowing reviews from FAUX and the rest of the right wing, forget all about it, and go play golf.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:09:43pm

re: #47 nines09

I’m sure what I experienced is mostly gone. Like where I came from. But if you get the chance, do it. It was dry counties back then. Bar car off limits. the scenes from the windows when we weren’t playing cards or drinking was real stark. Shacks on stilts…Shotgun shacks…Like urban slum but alone.

Shit, it doesn’t start getting stark ‘till you turn south towards Montgomery and here. OTOH, it’s bar-car all the way now.

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I cannot.  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:10:10pm
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fern01  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:10:59pm

re: #2 nines09

If this mother fucking piece of shit wasn’t in office we would be talking about the upcoming NFL and NBA and NHL seasons, and the baseball odds on the WS. Oh, and there is a eclipse…..or a asteroid, or meteor or mother ship or some other…….Fuck the GOP in the neck with a rusty hanger.

And has ANYONE from the GOP leadership commented on what the President is saying/doing? Paul Ryan perhaps - any GOP senators?

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majii  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:11:25pm

re: #40 Charles Johnson

“No.”

You’re much nicer to him than I would be. I wanted to respond to him on Twitter and decided I wouldn’t because my response to his tweet would have been to tell him to f*ck off.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:11:29pm

re: #40 Charles Johnson

Presidents have been dealing with Nuclear Madmen since long before Trump.

You know how you deal with a Madman? You DON’T say shit like you’ll go after them “with fire and fury like the world’s never seen.”

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MsJ  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:11:29pm
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freetoken  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:11:32pm

re: #54 fern01

And has ANYONE from the GOP leadership commented on what the President is saying/doing? Paul Ryan perhaps - any GOP senators?

Most of them are cowards.

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nines09  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:11:41pm

re: #52 Decatur Deb

Yep. But there is still dry counties all through the south. Even in Virginia.

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Skip Intro  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:12:30pm

re: #54 fern01

And has ANYONE from the GOP leadership commented on what the President is saying/doing? Paul Ryan perhaps - any GOP senators?

No, because Trump might say mean things about them.

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Targetpractice  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:13:18pm

re: #50 JordanRules

Yup. There are a number of reasons why each party is salivating over this.

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And don’t forget these folks at Fox are collaborating with the WH.
We also have TurnipTV in the mix.

Russia’s disinfo campaign will ramp up more and some factions of the Alt-left will continue to operate like the Alt-right.

Of course the wingnuts are salivating, they see this as their long-sought opportunity for the quick, clean war that nets America a notch in the “win” column. That North Korea isn’t the prickly porcupine that Iran would prove to be. Just dash in, blow shit up, dash out, and celebrate our “win” over a groveling enemy.

However could that not work out in our favor?//////

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nines09  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:13:26pm

re: #54 fern01

And has ANYONE from the GOP leadership commented on what the President is saying/doing? Paul Ryan perhaps - any GOP senators?

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Decatur Deb  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:13:39pm

re: #49 No Depression

What they should be doing right now is flying back to DC to draft articles of impeachment immediately.

And at least all the mofos would be at ground zero in case of an eventuality.

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ObserverArt  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:13:42pm

re: #43 Targetpractice

We’ve seen this shit play out again and again, we hope that the generals in charge will reign in a warmongering president, then we find out that the career-minded bastards were willing to tell the administration what it wanted to hear if it got them closer to that next star and cushier job. Anybody thinking he’ll be the one to talk sense might as well have an attendant whispering in his ear “Remember Shinseki.”

Shinseki was getting to play war on Saddam’s game board and our military knew it was more a demonstration and arcade game duck shoot…so they were into that.

This is different. There doesn’t seem to be any good ‘military thinking’ reasons for a nuke shootout and hopefully they will reject this.

But then, I also realize I am mostly positive in outlook. Trump is a Joker acting as the Wild Card.

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Schweppes7  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:14:02pm

re: #54 fern01

McCain mildly criticized the remarks, but that is all I have seen from GOP side.

ktar.com

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The Ghost of a Flea  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:14:18pm

re: #27 goddamnedfrank

…from a golf course.

..if he’s not too busy shit-talking on Twitter.

…and if he isn’t listening to his council of second-string Arkham Asylum residents.

…or his relatives who inexplicably have authority in his administration

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Myron Falwell  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:14:24pm

re: #54 fern01

And has ANYONE from the GOP leadership commented on what the President is saying/doing? Paul Ryan perhaps - any GOP senators?

They are 100% complict and universally for a nuclear holocaust until proven otherwise.

Silence is consent. And they are all silent.

The GOP wants this.

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gocart mozart  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:14:26pm
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goddamnedfrank  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:14:50pm
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No Depression  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:15:11pm

“I’m very concerned about this,” said Lindsey Graham as his skin sloughed off his face.

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teleskiguy  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:16:23pm

Required reading in re: N. Korea.

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Targetpractice  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:16:31pm

re: #64 ObserverArt

Shinseki was getting to play war on Saddam’s game board and our military knew it was more a demonstration and arcade game duck shoot…so they were into that.

This is different. There doesn’t seem to be any good ‘military thinking’ reasons for a nuke shootout and hopefully they will reject this.

But then, I also realize I am mostly positive in outlook. Trump is a Joker acting as the Wild Card.

The generals aren’t thinking nukes, they’re thinking bunker busters, they’re thinking JDAMs, and they’re thinking of Tomahawks. They tell themselves they can effectively neuter North Korea in a quick, clean set of precision strikes before Lil’ Kim can fuel up a single ICBM. And they’re feeding that shit to Trump because that’s what he wants to hear, not the namby-pamby guys over at State talking about the diplomatic ramifications of a “preemptive strike” on a nuclear power.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:16:42pm

For some reason, this all reminds me of a letter H.G. Wells wrote to the Times during the Battle of Britain in 1940. The paper had published an editorial decrying the country’s inadequate air defenses. Recalling his 1907 story “The War in the Air” (in which then-hypothetical German aircraft had flattened London) Wells wrote, “I tried to warn you, you damn fools.”

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teleskiguy  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:17:54pm

Oh, goddamnedfrank…

New Happy Birthday Song?

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lawhawk  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:19:25pm

Everything about this current crisis feels and seems contrived, from North Korea testing Trump with missile launches to Trump’s bellicosity and language of hellfire and damnation.

Trump is reactionary. Everyone who deals with him knows this. Everyone in the world has a file on Trump and how to play him like a fiddle. They also know that Trump’s a bully who has to double down and make ever more grandiose threats and promises or else he looks weak.

That’s where he is. And North Korea is pushing his buttons - and Trump has no where else to escalate except by actually ordering a nuclear attack.

This should be worrisome to even the GOP, but they’re entirely fine with this. They’re not questioning Trump, but rather anyone that disagrees with Trump and his threats to North Korea. Throw in the leaks about how North Korea suddenly has the capability to miniaturize their nuclear warheads, and you’ve got all the chairborne rangers demanding war. Or that a nuclear exchange wont be a bad thing…

These fuckers don’t even know what the hell they’re talking about. An accidental nuclear meltdown left vast parts of Japan and Ukraine uninhabitable. A purposeful nuclear exchange would be far worse. Trump’s supporters would be all for this regardless of the consequences.

And the GOP wont lift a finger either. They’re joined at the hip.

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TedStriker  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:19:34pm

re: #70 No Depression

“I’m very concerned about this,” said Lindsey Graham as his skin sloughed off his face.

As Austin Milbarge (Dan Aykroyd) said in Spies Like Us about the Soviet ICBM they were sent to hijack:

“Do you know what those things can do? Suck the paint off your house and give your family a permanent orange afro.”

Words to heed, President Trump.

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ObserverArt  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:20:28pm

re: #58 freetoken

Most of them are cowards.

But, but, but…Paulie Ryan pumps iron with a ball cap on backwards, yo!

He’s a badass man, a real badass.

A real ass.

Probably thinking about John Boehner who is not taking his calls.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:20:59pm
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Decatur Deb  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:22:12pm

re: #73 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

For some reason, this all reminds me of a letter H.G. Wells wrote to the Times during the Battle of Britain in 1940. The paper had published an editorial decrying the country’s inadequate air defenses. Recalling his 1907 story “The War in the Air” (in which then-hypothetical German aircraft had flattened London) Wells wrote, “I tried to warn you, you damn fools.”

For a similar prophetic book from 1907, check this. It’s got a whacked religious bent (written by a minor RC church official), but foresees heavy bombers (volors) and city-busting bombs.

en.wikipedia.org

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:22:15pm

re: #54 fern01

And has ANYONE from the GOP leadership commented on what the President is saying/doing? Paul Ryan perhaps - any GOP senators?

Nothing is more important to them than tax cuts for the rich. Not even nuclear annihilation.

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freetoken  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:22:48pm

re: #75 lawhawk

Everything about this current crisis feels and seems contrived, from North Korea testing Trump with missile launches to Trump’s bellicosity and language of hellfire and damnation.

The drama addicts of the hate right love this stuff.

This is going down the line of all the end-times-rapture preachers that really were drawing in the big bucks during the last 4 decades of the 20th century.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:23:17pm

re: #22 goddamnedfrank

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And Secretary Clinton in the White House.

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Kragar  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:23:48pm
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EPR-radar  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:23:54pm

re: #13 goddamnedfrank

Wolf Blitzer Probably: We now take our viewers to a LIVE shot of President Trump’s developing War Boner

He calls it Mount Rushmore the Washington Monument.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:24:14pm

re: #70 No Depression

“I’m very concerned about this,” said Lindsey Graham as his skin sloughed off his face.

Immediately before he votes in lockstep with Trump once again.

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Ace-o-aces  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:24:20pm
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Decatur Deb  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:24:50pm

re: #83 Kragar

To assist or prevent?

Just to watch.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:24:58pm

Fox News thinks preventing a nuclear annihilation is China’s responsibility.

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lawhawk  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:26:25pm
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gocart mozart  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:27:35pm
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fern01  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:28:28pm

re: #67 Myron Falwell

They are 100% complict and universally for a nuclear holocaust until proven otherwise.

Silence is consent. And they are all silent.

The GOP wants this.

Which is my fear - are they so stupid as to think they can survive this and carry on with their plans to reduce taxes? (no reply needed)

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jaunte  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:29:02pm
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Kragar  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:29:08pm
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Myron Falwell  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:29:31pm

re: #19 Decatur Deb

You are seeing a national over-reaction accelerated by the Intertubes and bored newsmen.
The fear is salubrious, because nothing else is going to get this populace out to pull its collective head out of its ass.

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lawhawk  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:29:31pm

That’s the Director of the Federation of American Scientists’ Nuclear Information Project. He knows a thing or two about nuclear capabilities.

Miniaturization of nuclear weapons isn’t as easy as it sounds, and it took years to get to that point for the US with nearly unlimited resources.

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:30:22pm

re: #88 The Vicious Babushka

Fox News thinks preventing a nuclear annihilation is China’s responsibility.

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He is a Sparta specialist. He has no fucking clue what he’s talking about.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:30:49pm

re: #91 fern01

Which is my fear - are they so stupid as to think they can survive this and carry on with their plans to reduce taxes? (no reply needed)

They’ll also be rid of the EPA and the Department of Labor.

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Skip Intro  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:31:07pm

re: #90 gocart mozart

And of course, the grift.

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The “love of Jesus” apparently includes nuking an entire people because their leader is an asshole. That could backfire.

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ObserverArt  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:31:53pm

Yes, I did fire off a comment page submission to my buddy Senator Rob Portman.

It was simple. I said you screwed up and looked like a fool in the healthcare policy mess. Now is your chance to do something right…remove Trump. How dangerous and out of his mind does he need to be before Congress moves to remove him? How close to pissing off the entire world and the U.S. losing all previous good will do we need to get before you as a Senator of the party in control does your job?

Hey, at least it wasn’t about the two Republican Senate Ladies kicking his skinny ass.

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gocart mozart  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:32:17pm
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JordanRules  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:32:19pm

re: #92 jaunte

Sick bastard.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:32:42pm
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Decatur Deb  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:32:53pm

re: #94 Myron Falwell

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Skip Intro  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:32:54pm

re: #100 gocart mozart

Hannity, tonight.

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Mike Lamb  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:33:03pm

re: #27 goddamnedfrank

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Is he talking about rallying around Merkel as they deal with Trump?

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Interesting Times  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:33:19pm

re: #27 goddamnedfrank

Like I just said:

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:33:51pm

re: #68 gocart mozart

I hope he’s wrong about Trump firing Mueller. That would be devastating. He needs to be reigned in. He is not above the law.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:34:11pm
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Barefoot Grin  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:34:20pm
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jaunte  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:34:38pm

re: #100 gocart mozart

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JordanRules  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:34:41pm

re: #99 ObserverArt

Good on you! I will hit up McCain and Flake about removing this threat from office too.

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Kragar  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:35:09pm
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Interesting Times  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:35:22pm

re: #103 Decatur Deb

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:35:38pm

re: #103 Decatur Deb

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Why do they get to win for 999 years?

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Ace-o-aces  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:36:09pm
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jaunte  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:36:20pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:37:03pm

re: #102 goddamnedfrank

Too…ethnic.

Junk bonds.

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teleskiguy  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:37:16pm

Lighter content:

Less than 24 hours and then I can tweet again!

Giphy

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No Depression  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:37:43pm

re: #115 Ace-o-aces

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:38:31pm

re: #94 Myron Falwell

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Decatur Deb  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:38:34pm

re: #114 Barefoot Grin

Why do they get to win for 999 years?

They don’t. The bastard brutes have been losing all along. Almost no one endorses cannibalism any more.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:39:09pm

re: #113 Interesting Times

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Charles Johnson  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:39:28pm

re: #118 teleskiguy

Lighter content:

Less than 24 hours and then I can tweet again!

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I hope you’ve learned your lesson, young man!

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Myron Falwell  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:39:40pm

re: #113 Interesting Times

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Mankind — the mother of all oxymorons.

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gocart mozart  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:40:07pm
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teleskiguy  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:40:25pm

re: #123 Charles Johnson

This made me laugh! Much needed. Thanks!

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:40:26pm

“Hey, what am I? Chopped liver?”
-South Korea

AFAIK, nobody has speculated that the recent political upheaval in South Korea may be the biggest factor in this. Kim would naturally try to take advantage, and the RoK’s ability to interact with Trump, never very good, would have been severely compromised. The situation is stabilizing now, though, thank whatever gods there are.

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JordanRules  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:42:24pm

I really do wonder how many more countries seriously start to think about their own nuclear program in the next few years.

Everything changed after that day last November.

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lawhawk  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:43:17pm
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Decatur Deb  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:43:42pm

re: #128 JordanRules

I really do wonder how many more countries seriously start to think about their own nuclear program in the next few years.

Everything changed after that day last November.

Yup. We really shouldn’t let that happen again.

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EPR-radar  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:44:38pm

re: #125 gocart mozart

Actually the lack of a US ambassador in South Korea may be useful. It makes it more clear that normal diplomacy etc. is completely irrelevant here. All that matters is the positive feedback loop created by Un and tr*mp playing to their respective political establishments with the war-mongering statements.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:44:38pm

re: #116 jaunte

“I’m not saying we wouldn’t get our hair mussed…..”

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jaunte  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:45:05pm

“…Elsewhere on Tuesday, U.N. ambassador Nikki Haley condemned a Fox News story about North Korea because it included information leaked anonymously to a reporter. The idea that “leaks” are an urgent threat to national security has been a theme of the administration’s lately, so Haley probably thought she was doing her boss’s bidding by calling the story “incredibly dangerous” and suggesting it constituted “playing with people’s lives.” The problem: President Trump liked Fox’s story because it justified his administration’s tough rhetoric and had been distributed by the Twitter account of his favorite show, Fox and Friends. He had actually tweeted it approvingly before Haley’s remarks.

Haley had internalized the idea that leaks put American lives in danger only to find out that today, leaks are good. It’s a doublethink distinction so arbitrary, in other words, that even Trump’s own hack couldn’t figure it out.”

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Decatur Deb  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:47:33pm

Come wreck, come wrack, come nukes—the dog will be walked. BBL.

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JordanRules  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:51:04pm
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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:51:06pm

re: #132 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

The cited article brings up a very sinister aspect of right wing thinking about a “limited” (ie not the Russians) nuclear war: The belief that the damage and loss of life would be concentrated in big cities (Democratic voters), with the “real America” largely unaffected. They would be positively ecstatic if Washington DC were nuked, since they sometimes fantasize about doing it themselves.
They won’t have to exterminate liberals after all, the North Koreans and Chinese will do it for them.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:52:08pm
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Myron Falwell  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:52:45pm

re: #70 No Depression

“I’m very concerned about this,” said Lindsey Graham as his skin sloughed off his face.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:52:48pm

re: #116 jaunte

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What the hell? So they’re okay with the U.S. being hit by nuclear bombs? This is unbelievable. They’re anti-American and hate wide swaths of Americans. We’re expendable in their eyes.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:53:51pm
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jaunte  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:54:01pm

re: #139 Patricia Kayden

They’re insane if they think the country can just “rebuild” if several urban centers get nuked.

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nines09  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:54:55pm

re: #94 Myron Falwell

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Myron Falwell  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:55:15pm

re: #139 Patricia Kayden

What the hell? So they’re okay with the U.S. being hit by nuclear bombs? This is unbelievable. They’re anti-American and hate wide swaths of Americans. We’re expendable in their eyes.

When Kim targets the cities, the power grid will go away permanently. Too bad for the John Q. Bumpkins in Bumfuck County, Wyoming.

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jaunte  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:55:43pm

re: #137 Charles Johnson

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Charles Johnson  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:56:43pm
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EPR-radar  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:57:10pm

re: #136 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

The cited article brings up a very sinister aspect of right wing thinking about a “limited” (ie not the Russians) nuclear war: The belief that the damage and loss of life would be concentrated in big cities (Democratic voters), with the “real America” largely unaffected. They would be positively ecstatic if Washington DC were nuked, since they sometimes fantasize about doing it themselves.
They won’t have to exterminate liberals after all, the North Koreans and Chinese will do it for them.

If a nuke hits California, the first thing to do would be to check if it was a US nuke.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:58:28pm
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Charles Johnson  Aug 8, 2017 • 5:59:29pm

Kind of amazing how many people are ready to spout off without having the slightest clue about an issue.

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William Lewis  Aug 8, 2017 • 6:02:47pm
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Myron Falwell  Aug 8, 2017 • 6:03:19pm

re: #140 FormerDirtDart

Jesus, it’s the whole “we begin bombing in five minutes” all over again. Only dumber.

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teleskiguy  Aug 8, 2017 • 6:03:24pm

We need levity!

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jaunte  Aug 8, 2017 • 6:03:53pm

Party of “look what you made me do.”

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EPR-radar  Aug 8, 2017 • 6:05:25pm

re: #152 jaunte

That’s a special kind of stupid, even for an insufferable MRA hack like Cernovich.

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jaunte  Aug 8, 2017 • 6:06:13pm

re: #153 EPR-radar

He’s right, this president cannot chew gum and walk at the same time.

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nines09  Aug 8, 2017 • 6:07:24pm

re: #149 William Lewis

Actually I thought it rather insane that he was Bacchus, although I was close enough to the bead frenzy to say he wore that crown well. He chucked a handful of doubloons and nailed a lady next to me. He looked very happy, as we were..Or was he drunk? Ah…..Who knows…

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No Depression  Aug 8, 2017 • 6:08:29pm

re: #140 FormerDirtDart

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Let’s just hope Kim Jung Un knows about Trump’s propensity towards exaggeration. Sigh…

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 8, 2017 • 6:09:34pm

re: #139 Patricia Kayden

What the hell? So they’re okay with the U.S. being hit by nuclear bombs? This is unbelievable. They’re anti-American and hate wide swaths of Americans. We’re expendable in their eyes.

Big cities are full of immigrants, “others,” and (worst of all) Democrats. They WANT this to happen.”

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Timothy Watson  Aug 8, 2017 • 6:10:11pm

re: #154 jaunte

He’s right, this president cannot chew gum and walk at the same time.

This president can barely walk at all.

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No Depression  Aug 8, 2017 • 6:10:55pm

Why the hell didn’t we take away the president’s ability to unilaterally launch nukes right after the Soviet Union disbanded?

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teleskiguy  Aug 8, 2017 • 6:11:15pm

Fuck, I hope this counter doesn’t ever get reset. Today was not encouraging.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 8, 2017 • 6:11:35pm
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ObserverArt  Aug 8, 2017 • 6:12:54pm

re: #102 goddamnedfrank

Trump administration recycling Just Say No along with all the other 80’s shit that didn’t work like trickle down econ. Next: Parachute pants

You can’t touch this!

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Charles Johnson  Aug 8, 2017 • 6:13:19pm
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Mike Lamb  Aug 8, 2017 • 6:13:36pm

The horrible part is that when the world huddles up with Xi and Xi gets Kim Jong Un under control in order to avoid the reaction of a madman, Trump et al., will see it as a victory.

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teleskiguy  Aug 8, 2017 • 6:14:03pm

re: #163 ObserverArt

You can’t touch this!

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 8, 2017 • 6:14:14pm
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Myron Falwell  Aug 8, 2017 • 6:14:16pm

re: #144 jaunte

Trump’s only successful in digging a bigger hole for himself. In theory, he could use war as a get-out-of-jail card, but he’s incapable of shooting himself in the foot with ham-handedness and sheer incompetence.

Trump just wants to destroy the world because it looks cool, regardless of the likelihood the United States would be susceptible to an actual invasion when all the major cities get bombed out… and everything he owns will be worthless. And that’s if he lives to see the hellscape he’s wrought.

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 8, 2017 • 6:16:00pm

re: #166 teleskiguy

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b.d. (bill d.)  Aug 8, 2017 • 6:16:09pm

At least the Heaven’s Gates folks got a jumpsuit and some new Nikes when their leader decided to kill them all, Trump’s follwers just got a cheap red hat.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 8, 2017 • 6:16:23pm

re: #152 jaunte

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Party of “look what you made me do.”

It’s a ridiculous argument that only Trump’s hardcore delusional supporters would buy into. Cernovich needs to go sit down somewhere. He sounds like an idiot with that tweet moreso than usual.

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jaunte  Aug 8, 2017 • 6:18:54pm

re: #171 Patricia Kayden

Cernovich doesn’t seem to understand he’s arguing that Trump is incompetent to deal with the inevitable distractions that come with the job.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Aug 8, 2017 • 6:19:04pm

...

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teleskiguy  Aug 8, 2017 • 6:20:09pm
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b.d. (bill d.)  Aug 8, 2017 • 6:20:17pm

re: #173 b.d. (bill d.)

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dangerman  Aug 8, 2017 • 6:21:04pm

re: #163 ObserverArt

Trump administration recycling Just Say No along with all the other 80’s shit that didn’t work like trickle down econ. Next: Parachute pants
You can’t touch this!

velour

huckapoo!

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teleskiguy  Aug 8, 2017 • 6:23:08pm
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Charles Johnson  Aug 8, 2017 • 6:23:27pm
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Barefoot Grin  Aug 8, 2017 • 6:24:06pm

re: #152 jaunte

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Party of “look what you made me do.”

And golf, too.

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teleskiguy  Aug 8, 2017 • 6:24:14pm

Music.

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Interesting Times  Aug 8, 2017 • 6:25:58pm

re: #179 Charles Johnson

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Another thing to consider: Kim Jong-Un is young, and, at core, wants to live and be in power at least as long as his father and grandfather.

Cheeto Benito, on the other hand, is a doddering, senile old fool.

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lawhawk  Aug 8, 2017 • 6:26:51pm

As if you needed to know why Trump went nuclear with his comments about North Korea?

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No Depression  Aug 8, 2017 • 6:27:54pm

re: #182 Interesting Times

Another thing to consider: Kim Jong-Un is young, and, at core, wants to live and be in power at least as long as his father and grandfather.

Cheeto Benito, on the other hand, is a doddering, senile old fool.

So Kim Jung Un is more sane than Trump. That’s comforting…

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Belafon  Aug 8, 2017 • 6:28:59pm

re: #184 No Depression

So Kim Jung Un is more sane than Trump. That’s comforting…

Kim Jung Un is just power hungry. Trump is narcissistic.

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Belafon  Aug 8, 2017 • 6:29:30pm

re: #183 lawhawk

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As if you needed to know why Trump went nuclear with his comments about North Korea?

They all say, in crayon, “Trump didn’t do anything wrong.”

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Decatur Deb  Aug 8, 2017 • 6:29:44pm

re: #148 Charles Johnson

Kind of amazing how many people are ready to spout off without having the slightest clue about an issue.

The system has been blind-tested. They know it is adequately reliable.

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JordanRules  Aug 8, 2017 • 6:29:59pm
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ObserverArt  Aug 8, 2017 • 6:30:56pm

re: #94 Myron Falwell

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Myron dammit…Ohio needs you to put your mind on kicking Republican asses. You can’t give up when work needs to be done. Kill yourself with doing damage to ‘em not yourself.

Now, pick up the damn flag we have a Governor race coming up we need to turn. We do not want Jon Husted or Mike DeWiner as governor. And that is a start to getting Portman gone a few years after that. Concentrate on that. Please!

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LastYearsMan  Aug 8, 2017 • 6:32:10pm

I’d like to thank LGF for introducing me to Nukemap. Assuming the North Koreans can aim well and decide for an easier target then the US (i.e. Seoul), it looks like my family and job are both well out of blast range. Yay.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 8, 2017 • 6:33:20pm
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EPR-radar  Aug 8, 2017 • 6:34:17pm

re: #182 Interesting Times

Another thing to consider: Kim Jong-Un is young, and, at core, wants to live and be in power at least as long as his father and grandfather.

Cheeto Benito, on the other hand, is a doddering, senile old fool.

Kim Jong-Un is a dictator and presumably in full control of his regime. tr*mp wants to be a dictator, is not in full control of the Federal government, and is facing a personal existential threat in the Mueller investigation.

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Myron Falwell  Aug 8, 2017 • 6:35:11pm

re: #183 lawhawk

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As if you needed to know why Trump went nuclear with his comments about North Korea?

And there it is.

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teleskiguy  Aug 8, 2017 • 6:38:10pm
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Charles Johnson  Aug 8, 2017 • 6:38:17pm
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JordanRules  Aug 8, 2017 • 6:38:41pm

re: #191 Charles Johnson

Tom’s got your back with the facts on this too.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 8, 2017 • 6:38:55pm

go fuck yourself Fox News

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lawhawk  Aug 8, 2017 • 6:40:21pm

re: #191 Charles Johnson

Well, you’ve got your Twitter JD and PhD graduates along with the Facebook MBA.

You’ve got a lot of people who think that memes are the sum and substance of all there is and like Trump, the facts and logic are irrelevant. These are also the same people who think that a reactionary know nothing like Trump has their best interest in mind.

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Kragar  Aug 8, 2017 • 6:42:10pm

re: #167 FormerDirtDart

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Renaissance_Man  Aug 8, 2017 • 6:43:30pm

re: #195 Charles Johnson

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He was given an end run. Given it by a complicit mass media interested only in sound bites and views.

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teleskiguy  Aug 8, 2017 • 6:44:44pm

Jill Stein is a (not gonna type it out like I did last night).

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Decatur Deb  Aug 8, 2017 • 6:45:02pm

re: #200 Renaissance_Man

He was given an end run. Given it by a complicit mass media interested only in sound bites and views.

He also got serious political campaign expertise, far beyond his experience, from …somewhere.

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Myron Falwell  Aug 8, 2017 • 6:48:49pm

My God.

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Belafon  Aug 8, 2017 • 6:48:58pm

So, if this is the apocalypse the evangelicals want, and the cities are wiped out, but the rural areas remain, and the cities are filled with liberals and immigrants, then did God want the liberals up in heaven?

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 8, 2017 • 6:49:59pm

re: #197 The Vicious Babushka

go fuck yourself Fox News

@gen_jackkeane on N Korea ICBM: I’d bet anything that if we went up & pulled off the label we’d see ‘Made in China’

Fuck Jack Keane too.
He’s been a damn political hack since at least the first time I worked for him in ‘90.
And, I saw no improvement the second and third times

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No Depression  Aug 8, 2017 • 6:50:30pm

re: #197 The Vicious Babushka

go fuck yourself Fox News

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So the U.S. is being threatened with the first military attack on its soil in over 70 years, and this glib bullshit is what Fox comes up with?

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teleskiguy  Aug 8, 2017 • 6:51:28pm

This is mind-bending in the worst way. We’re discussing nuclear war like it might actually happen.

And Evangelical Christians are all like “Bring it on!” I say it is evil.

Fuck all.

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retired cynic  Aug 8, 2017 • 6:51:53pm

re: #205 FormerDirtDart

Fuck Jack Keane too.
He’s been a damn political hack since at least the first time I worked for him in ‘90.
And, I saw no improvement the second and third times

There’s a story or three there, I betcha.

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JordanRules  Aug 8, 2017 • 6:52:42pm

re: #201 teleskiguy

Sigh.

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Belafon  Aug 8, 2017 • 6:52:49pm

re: #197 The Vicious Babushka

go fuck yourself Fox News

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No Depression  Aug 8, 2017 • 6:53:51pm

re: #203 Myron Falwell

My God.

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What the fuck is wrong with Republicans?

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teleskiguy  Aug 8, 2017 • 6:54:38pm

re: #209 JordanRules

I know you hate it, and I’ve thought about it. Sometimes it’s appropriate for me. I am mindful and am trying to be better. But Jill Stein is a…

OK, I’ll stop.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 8, 2017 • 6:55:18pm

If this doesn’t convince the GOP to at least start thinking about removing Trump with the 25th, I don’t know anything will.

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 8, 2017 • 6:56:04pm

re: #168 Myron Falwell

Trump’s only successful in digging a bigger hole for himself. In theory, he could use war as a get-out-of-jail card, but he’s incapable of shooting himself in the foot with ham-handedness and sheer incompetence.

Trump just wants to destroy the world because it looks cool, regardless of the likelihood the United States would be susceptible to an actual invasion when all the major cities get bombed out… and everything he owns will be worthless. And that’s if he lives to see the hellscape he’s wrought.

I don’t think that this has entered his mind at all. Trump thinks the Presidency is a reality show and he can say anything to entertain his audience with no consequences; within 2 minutes he probably forgot his words. Please — he’s on vacation — the only thing on his mind is golfing.

— minor edit

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Skip Intro  Aug 8, 2017 • 6:56:29pm

re: #213 Eclectic Cyborg

If this doesn’t convince the GOP to at least start thinking about removing Trump with the 25th, I don’t know anything will.

As long as he has Fox cheerleading everything he does they won’t do squat.

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lawhawk  Aug 8, 2017 • 6:56:31pm

Eyes on the prize…. Eyes on the prize…

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Myron Falwell  Aug 8, 2017 • 6:56:47pm

re: #211 No Depression

What the fuck is wrong with Republicans?

They are complict in the eventual deaths of tens of millions and the collapse of Western civilization, and are perfectly fine with it.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 8, 2017 • 6:56:48pm

re: #204 Belafon

So, if this is the apocalypse the evangelicals want, and the cities are wiped out, but the rural areas remain, and the cities are filled with liberals and immigrants, then did God want the liberals up in heaven?

Per Mark Twain (and others):
“heaven for climate, hell for company!”

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Decatur Deb  Aug 8, 2017 • 6:57:50pm

re: #211 No Depression

What the fuck is wrong with Republicans?

Maternal indifference.

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Single-handed sailor  Aug 8, 2017 • 6:57:58pm

re: #211 No Depression

What the fuck is wrong with Republicans?

Republicans think they have big balls because they look large next to their tiny dicks. That’s my theory.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 8, 2017 • 6:59:54pm

re: #147 Charles Johnson

The chain of command for a nuclear strike is shorter than a lot of people think and does not even pass through the generals. It goes directly from the “national command authority” to the custodial units themselves. At the lower end, the unit officers themselves are very likely to think the president has information they don’t, and that they are in no position to ignore the order. They are taught to think this way, in fact.

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lawhawk  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:00:33pm

re: #167 FormerDirtDart

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JordanRules  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:00:49pm

re: #212 teleskiguy

Today was too crazy of a day for me to unpack all this and try to engage with you on it. And you’re a thoughtful person so you’re worth engaging but I’m tired.
Trying to get folks to see stuff from the POV of the group who is targeted by certain language and action is draining as fuck.

I hope one day you’ll see it differently. Tis all. :)

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Kragar  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:00:56pm
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No Depression  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:01:19pm

re: #213 Eclectic Cyborg

If this doesn’t convince the GOP to at least start thinking about removing Trump with the 25th, I don’t know anything will.

If they were rational they would. They might face the wrath of the GOP base if they do but they won’t have those cushy lobbyist jobs to fall back on if the U.S. becomes a nuclear wasteland.

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EPR-radar  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:01:31pm

re: #212 teleskiguy

I know you hate it, and I’ve thought about it. Sometimes it’s appropriate for me. I am mindful and am trying to be better. But Jill Stein is a…

OK, I’ll stop.

There are an infinite number of ways to describe the perfidy and stupidity of Jill Stein in the English language without using verboten words. Just use your head.

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teleskiguy  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:02:05pm

re: #223 JordanRules

The gears are grinding, believe me. To the point that I couldn’t type the word out, just imply it. Baby steps, as it were.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:02:49pm

Wouldn’t that be a hoot if I hit the Mega Millions & Powerball numbers on the day before a nuke strike!

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Interesting Times  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:02:55pm

re: #226 EPR-radar

There are an infinite number of ways to describe the perfidy and stupidity of Jill Stein in the English language without using verboten words. Just use your head.

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majii  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:03:03pm

re: #211 No Depression

“What the fuck is wrong with Republicans?”

I think they’ve been eating their own sh*t and drinking their own piss too long, and it has made them bonkers.

On a more serious note, I think they’ve lived in their own bubble way too long and have completely internalized their flawed view of the world. No way a nuclear attack by us on NK or NK on us would be a “winner.”

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Charles Johnson  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:03:10pm
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EPR-radar  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:03:27pm

re: #211 No Depression

What the fuck is wrong with Republicans?

The answer to this is simple — their problem is that they are Republicans. Decades of subscribing to brain-rotting propaganda from hate radio and Fox News has turned most of the GOP base into mindless zombies that would not be out of place in a horror flick.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:05:36pm

re: #229 Interesting Times

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calochortus  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:05:36pm

re: #230 majii

“What the fuck is wrong with Republicans?”

I think they’ve been eating their own sh*t and drinking their own piss too long, and it has made them bonkers.

On a more serious note, I think they’ve lived in their own bubble way too long and have completely internalized their flawed view of the world. No way a nuclear attack by us on NK or NK on us would be a “winner.”

Also, in the same way that global warming is too big a problem and too awful for many people to contemplate, much less deal with the results thereof, they don’t believe Trump will really nuke anyone. Or that there could be a retaliation.

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JordanRules  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:05:57pm

More folks educating on how this works along with Charles.

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Interesting Times  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:06:49pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:07:23pm

re: #226 EPR-radar

There are an infinite number of ways to describe the perfidy and stupidity of Jill Stein in the English language without using verboten words. Just use your head.

It’s not just Jill Stein. Today I had to calm myself after reading an idiot never-Hillary Bernie Bro who blamed Debbie Wasserman Schultz and the DNC for all evil in the world, because after all the Democrats who voted for Hillary in the primary were misled or were a minority of voters and Bernie would have won and we could have avoided the potential catastrophe of nuclear war. These people irritate me even more than dedicated Trumpsters.

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EPR-radar  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:07:29pm

re: #234 calochortus

Also, in the same way that global warming is too big a problem and too awful for many people to contemplate, much less deal with the results thereof, they don’t believe Trump will really nuke anyone. Or that there could be a retaliation.

Well, if things really do go to hell, I’ll take great satisfaction in the fact that US plutocrats who backed tr*mp and the Republicans will lose more than just about everyone else in the fall of civilization.

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No Depression  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:07:31pm

re: #230 majii

“What the fuck is wrong with Republicans?”

I think they’ve been eating their own sh*t and drinking their own piss too long, and it has made them bonkers.

On a more serious note, I think they’ve lived in their own bubble way too long and have completely internalized their flawed view of the world. No way a nuclear attack by us on NK or NK on us would be a “winner.”

I’m so glad I went to college and escaped the right-wing bubble I was in.

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Single-handed sailor  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:08:22pm

I was playing with Google Earth earlier. If North Korea’s missiles can go 6500 miles with a one ton nuke then both Boston and New York City are in range. Here’s our side of the 6500 mile circle.

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EPR-radar  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:09:13pm

re: #230 majii

“What the fuck is wrong with Republicans?”

I think they’ve been eating their own sh*t and drinking their own piss too long, and it has made them bonkers.

On a more serious note, I think they’ve lived in their own bubble way too long and have completely internalized their flawed view of the world. No way a nuclear attack by us on NK or NK on us would be a “winner.”

I see what you did there. The exact same point is made twice, just using different language. Very nice.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:09:20pm

Every fucking occasion, he has a counter-tweet. Every. Fucking. One.

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calochortus  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:09:27pm

I do think we all need to take a deep breath and think some relaxing thoughts, to which end I give you a picture of my grandkitty. Because it was handy and we all need a cat or dog or something right now.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:10:32pm

re: #238 EPR-radar

Well, if things really do go to hell, I’ll take great satisfaction in the fact that US plutocrats who backed tr*mp and the Republicans will lose more than just about everyone else in the fall of civilization.

Catastrophic collapse is very unlikely, but if it did happen, a well-marbled millionaire would be worth a lot in the market stalls.

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Kragar  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:12:21pm
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Ace Rothstein  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:12:29pm
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jaunte  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:12:48pm

re: #211 No Depression

What the fuck is wrong with Republicans?

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:14:28pm

re: #244 Decatur Deb

Catastrophic collapse is very unlikely, but if it did happen, a well-marbled millionaire would be worth a lot in the market stalls.

My plea to a pitchfork wielding mob:

“Don’t waste you time with me! There’s a Walton heir just down the road!” And there is.

Fake historian David Barton and his merry band of liars are also in the neighborhood.

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retired cynic  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:15:01pm

re: #248 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

My plea to a pitchfork wielding mob:

“Don’t waste you time with me! There’s a Walton heir just down the road!” And there is.

Fake historian David Barton and his merry band of liars are also in the neighborhood.

Oh, get him, get him!

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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:15:33pm

re: #33 ObserverArt

I’m waiting for our Military to tell Trump where to stick it myself.

I think we are closer to a military led ouster of Trump, call it a coup if you want, than we are a nuke shootout.

Will it happen, probably not? I hope the Republican party gets its shit together first and takes him down.

Wait, what? I can see refusing an attack order but that’s no coup.

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EPR-radar  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:15:38pm

re: #248 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

My plea to a pitchfork wielding mob:

“Don’t waste you time with me! There’s a Walton heir just down the road!” And there is.

Fake historian David Barton and his merry band of liars are also in the neighborhood.

Walton heirs + anthills might be the best available entertainment in a post apocalypse setting.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:15:50pm

re: #248 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

My plea to a pitchfork wielding mob:

“Don’t waste you time with me! There’s a Walton heir just down the road!” And there is.

Fake historian David Barton and his merry band of liars are also in the neighborhood.

A fortune in flint nodules to the plastic surgeon who perfects the “Ghandi Look”.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:16:04pm

re: #240 Single-handed sailor

“Just send a plane up to shoot it out of the air.”

Trump Defense Policy

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Skip Intro  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:16:29pm

re: #247 jaunte

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Igraham really has the Tucker Carlson “duh” look down cold.

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ObserverArt  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:16:39pm

re: #220 Single-handed sailor

Republicans think they have big balls because they look large next to their tiny dicks. That’s my theory.

Nothing measures up with current Republicans.

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Myron Falwell  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:16:53pm

re: #214 Hecuba’s daughter

I don’t think that this has entered his mind at all. Trump thinks the Presidency is a reality show and he can say anything to entertain his audience with no consequences; within 2 minutes he probably orgot his words. Please — he’s on vacation — the only thing on his mind is golfing.

If that’s the best-case scenario, I’m terrified to see the worst-case scenario.

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calochortus  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:16:58pm

re: #251 EPR-radar

Walton heirs + anthills might be the best available entertainment in a post apocalypse setting.

Or the cockroach races…

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jaunte  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:17:00pm
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Decatur Deb  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:17:16pm

re: #250 Unshaken Defiance

Wait, what? I can see refusing an attack order but that’s no coup.

It will get you a bullet in the head on the spot. That’s why guys deep in silos carry sidearms.

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No Depression  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:18:24pm

I’m beginning to think that the god right-wing Christians worship isn’t Yahweh but rather Cthulu. It would explain their descent into madness.

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jaunte  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:18:38pm
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teleskiguy  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:18:41pm

re: #248 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

My plea to a pitchfork wielding mob:

“Don’t waste you time with me! There’s a Walton heir just down the road!” And there is.

Fake historian David Barton and his merry band of liars are also in the neighborhood.

I’m only an hour’s drive from Aspen. If I were an enterprising anarchist in the event of civilizational collapse, I’d don a bandolier and get as many crazy torch-wielding motherfuckers as I can and go to the land where the beer flows like wine and the women flock instinctively like the salmon of Capistrano.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:19:02pm

Wow, one person after another popping up to tell me Trump needs Congressional approval to launch nukes. 100% WRONG. The president can launch a nuclear war in five minutes with no approval from anyone.

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Anymouse the Hypocrite 🌹  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:19:09pm

It’s being argued the President has sole authority to order a nuclear launch. That is true. However: National Command Authority (goes to Wikipedia)

While the President gives the order, the two-man rule still applies. The Secretary of Defense has to sign off on it. The President does not control the Command, Communications, and Control structure of the military. The order has to be executed by the Secretary of Defense (or his designated successor).

Thus, if Trump were to actually make an order like that, SecDef can refuse. Trump’s only recourse is to remove the SecDef from his post. The designated successor could then also refuse (rinse and repeat).

Unless the conservatives in the civilian government decide to exercise their authority (impeachment, XXV Amendment, &c), we are left with the military refusing such an order. That sets up what might be perceived as a military coup, and no country has ever come out well from those. (At this point, that might be the least bad option if the GOP refuses to exercise its governmental authority over the President’s office.)

Another option might be Wall Street folk or whatnot putting the screws to the GOP: This is unacceptable because there is no money to make in a Mad Max world.

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JordanRules  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:19:19pm

Remember this guy has no grasp of what the eff is going on so do not discount your fear about how bad this can get. He alone makes the call. It could go any damn way the wind blows.

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Myron Falwell  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:19:46pm

re: #250 Unshaken Defiance

Wait, what? I can see refusing an attack order but that’s no coup.

A coup can’t happen. The destruction of mankind is solely at Trump’s fingertips, and we’re powerless to stop him.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:20:58pm
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jaunte  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:21:20pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:21:45pm

re: #263 Charles Johnson

Not quite. The military officers are in the action chain for good reason. For example if they thought the order not genuine or authenticated. Nothing launches.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:22:22pm

re: #253 GlutenFreeJesus

“Just send a plane up to shoot it out of the air.”

Trump Defense Policy

A Polish Spitfire pilot happened to be close enough to spot a V-2 as it rose from its launch site in Holland. He actually got off a burst at it. He missed and the V-2 had gone supersonic and reached about 70,000 feet by the time he could turn back for another pass.

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JordanRules  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:22:42pm

re: #268 jaunte

How many times did she fucking warn us?!?!?
She had all the tools to deal with this.

Damnet to hell!

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Decatur Deb  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:24:13pm

The system is designed to assure a nuclear release even if congress has been reduced to carbon and calcium.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:24:38pm

re: #269 Unshaken Defiance

Not quite. The military officers are in the action chain for good reason. For example if they thought the order not genuine or authenticated. Nothing launches.

By law, they’re expected to carry out the order, and if they don’t Trump will simply remove them and appoint someone who does.

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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:24:39pm

re: #263 Charles Johnson

Wow, one person after another popping up to tell me Trump needs Congressional approval to launch nukes. 100% WRONG. The president can launch a nuclear war in five minutes with no approval from anyone.

But Congress of course has nothing to do with it.

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bratwurst  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:25:37pm
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retired cynic  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:26:52pm

re: #272 Decatur Deb

The system is designed to assure a nuclear release even if congress has been reduced to carbon and calcium.

Perhaps, should we all survive this, we might re-think this in the future?

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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:27:42pm

re: #273 Charles Johnson

By law, they’re expected to carry out the order, and if they don’t Trump will simply remove them and appoint someone show does.

By law an illegal order is not to be followed. Even from the President. Of course a President may be able to overcome law abiding authority, but at that point we are talking straight criminality. If a nuclear attack order was refused in the absence of a direct threat that would be possible. The likelihood far more debatable of course.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:27:51pm

re: #276 retired cynic

Perhaps, should we all survive this, we might re-think this in the future?

It is constantly re-thought. We are not the only player.

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EPR-radar  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:28:28pm

re: #275 bratwurst

It’s even more horrifying to realize that the JFK administration, even with basically talented people in the cabinet, made at least one gross blunder (Bay of Pigs) and one major strategic error (Vietnam escalation).

The tr*mp crew is collectively too stupid to empty water out of a boot even if step-by-step instructions were written on the sole of the boot.

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Weaselone  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:29:16pm

re: #264 Anymouse 🌹

re: #269 Unshaken Defiance

You guys are quibbling with details. Secretary of Defense is supposed to sign off and relay the order further down the chain of command. If he refuses, he gets sacked. If the next guy in line refuses, s/he gets sacked until the President gets someone who will issue the order.

The only way to prevent the order from ultimately being issued and the strike carried out is to remove the President from office. The 25th amendment and impeachment would be too slow, so someone with him at the time he attempts to issue the order would need to do so by force.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:29:55pm

re: #258 jaunte

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Team America 9/11 Times A Hundred

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calochortus  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:30:00pm

re: #279 EPR-radar

It’s even more horrifying to realize that the JFK administration, even with basically talented people in the cabinet, made at least one gross blunder (Bay of Pigs) and one major strategic error (Vietnam escalation).

The tr*mp crew is collectively too stupid to empty water out of a boot even if step-by-step instructions were written on the sole of the boot.

They’d never see the instructions because it wouldn’t occur to them to turn the boot over.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:31:11pm

re: #280 Weaselone

You guys are quibbling with details. Secretary of Defense is supposed to sign off and relay the order further down the chain of command. If he refuses, he gets sacked. If the next guy in line refuses, s/he gets sacked until the President gets someone who will issue the order.

The only way to prevent the order from ultimately being issued and the strike carried out is to remove the President from office. The 25th amendment and impeachment would be too slow, so someone with him at the time he attempts to issue the order would need to do so by force.

At which point the United States ceases to exist.

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Weaselone  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:31:34pm

re: #277 Unshaken Defiance

By law an illegal order is not to be followed. Even from the President. Of course a President may be able to overcome law abiding authority, but at that point we are talking straight criminality. If a nuclear attack order was refused in the absence of a direct threat that would be possible. The likelihood far more debatable of course.

Point me to the law that prevents the President from ordering a nuclear strike.

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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:31:34pm

re: #280 Weaselone

I don’t think one can replace a Sec Def as fast as one changes shirts, especially in the instance of an illegal order to begin with.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:32:02pm

re: #277 Unshaken Defiance

By law an illegal order is not to be followed. Even from the President. Of course a President may be able to overcome law abiding authority, but at that point we are talking straight criminality. If a nuclear attack order was refused in the absence of a direct threat that would be possible. The likelihood far more debatable of course.

But it’s very unlikely that every person in the chain of command would refuse to carry out the order, and that’s what it would take to stop it.

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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:32:24pm

re: #284 Weaselone

Point me to the law that prevents the President from ordering a nuclear strike.

I’m not going to defend words I have not written. He can order as he pleases. What happens next depends on other people.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:34:07pm

re: #286 Charles Johnson

But it’s very unlikely that every person in the chain of command would refuse to carry out the order, and that’s what it would take to stop it.

For 60 years the Russians have been convinced it will work.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:34:56pm
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Myron Falwell  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:36:15pm

re: #189 ObserverArt

re: #142 nines09

re: #120 The Vicious Babushka

Thank you. I hate being aware of my own mortality (plus I can’t stand watching apocalyptic stuff of any sort).

I do have a good family, and a cat that latches herself onto me like a flashbulb on an old camera. I have a good job, good friends and respect for my artwork and storytelling. And a good support system that has kept me on the straight and narrow since I bottomed out back in 2009.

And it agonizes me to know that our doom is sealed… that everyone I love and care for… myself being secondary… will be suddenly annihilated because of a tin-pot dictator intent on destroying us all. And this horrid fate feels like it’s now 100% inescapable.

I just… I just don’t know. I’m sorry. Thank you again for being there.

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Teukka  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:37:33pm

re: #240 Single-handed sailor

I was playing with Google Earth earlier. If North Korea’s missiles can go 6500 miles with a one ton nuke then both Boston and New York City are in range. Here’s our side of the 6500 mile circle.

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That’s assuming they do not have SLBM capability.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:37:53pm

re: #290 Myron Falwell

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Absolutely nothing is sealed. In fact, it is damned unlikely. Only the possibility has increased a bit.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:39:24pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:39:36pm

re: #286 Charles Johnson

But it’s very unlikely that every person in the chain of command would refuse to carry out the order, and that’s what it would take to stop it.

If it’s an intact chain of command, only one uppermost link needs to say no pending replacement. If NK attacks or is seen as preparing to do so, Trump could order a nuclear strike. That would be carried out I’m sure, sadly a MIRV warhead from a sub or Montana can get there far faster than conventional arms.

But if Trump just up and demands the attack happen in the absence of a threat greater than this afternoon, I think it quite possible he could be stopped from using nukes. Lets say he wants to take out China at the same time, massive all in attack. Many hundreds of warheads. Do we really think that would just happen? I don’t. Can only hope my faith in the JCS is not misplaced.

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teleskiguy  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:40:56pm

re: #290 Myron Falwell

It’s not sealed. You talk as if every human being on planet Earth is going to be vaporized within the week. Do you even know how nuclear bombs work?

Look, I understand your dread, I feel it. But your defeatist attitude is not helping at all.

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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:41:12pm
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Myron Falwell  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:41:59pm

re: #285 Unshaken Defiance

I don’t think one can replace a Sec Def as fast as one changes shirts, especially in the instance of an illegal order to begin with.

The implication is that Trump would just have to fire and fire repeatedly until he finds the proverbial Robert Bork willing to conduct the move (assuming that undersecretary after undersecretary would refuse, and I don’t think that’s bloody likely).

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No Depression  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:42:20pm

re: #293 Charles Johnson

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To be fair, those do sound like safeguards a rational country would have in place. So they probably just assume these safeguards are in place without looking it up.

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teleskiguy  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:42:28pm

We humans have exploded *thousands* of nuclear bombs. Only twice on population centers. This video provides invaluable perspective.

A Time-Lapse Map of Every Nuclear Explosion Since 1945 - by Isao Hashimoto

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calochortus  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:42:39pm

re: #290 Myron Falwell

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Interesting Times  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:43:23pm

re: #292 Decatur Deb

Absolutely nothing is sealed. In fact, it is damned unlikely. Only the possibility has increased a bit.

Here’s the most realistic “feel-good” thread I’ve come across:

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Anymouse the Hypocrite 🌹  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:45:17pm

re: #226 EPR-radar

There are an infinite number of ways to describe the perfidy and stupidity of Jill Stein in the English language without using verboten words. Just use your head.

Jill Stein is a useful idiot.

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Kragar  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:45:40pm
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retired cynic  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:46:31pm

re: #302 Anymouse 🌹

Jill Stein is a useful idiot.

Naw, she’s not useful.

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Weaselone  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:47:38pm

re: #285 Unshaken Defiance

I don’t think one can replace a Sec Def as fast as one changes shirts, especially in the instance of an illegal order to begin with.

He wouldn’t need to replace the Secretary of Defense. He would just be going down a list of designated successors. The system was designed to allow whatever was left of the civilian government to order whatever was left of the military command structure to fire whatever was left of our arsenal. It was not designed to prevent an unfit and possible mentally unbalanced President from ordering a strike. That is what elections are supposed to be for, with Congress or the Cabinet acting if a President become unfit while in office.

edited for grammar

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ObserverArt  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:48:12pm

re: #250 Unshaken Defiance

Wait, what? I can see refusing an attack order but that’s no coup.

Key words…military led ouster.

They not only refuse, they ask for his removal. The demand it. Wingnuts/Fox/Republicans see it as a coup. It is what they do.

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jaunte  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:49:08pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:49:35pm

re: #305 Weaselone

A system designed to default down the line of dead or missing members is not the same as designed to ignore “No” from a proper authority in the chain.

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retired cynic  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:49:57pm

re: #301 Interesting Times

Done.

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calochortus  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:51:43pm

Shall we also meditate on the fact that Trump making bellicose statements is also completely eclipsing the fact he doesn’t intend to do a damn thing about the opioid epidemic? Well except for locking people up. People related to the folks who voted for him who believed he would help them.

This isn’t going to play well in the heartland. Too many people have seen friends and relatives succumb. The mayor of Nashville (I think?) was on The NewsHour today talking about the death of her son from an overdose. This isn’t just affecting “those people” who are weak and morally lacking and all that. It is hitting people from “good families” with good educations and access to at least some level of treatment.
We need to have a plan. We need expert opinions. We need money for sustained programs. Trump isn’t going to be interested in any of that.

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No Depression  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:55:30pm

Well hopefully Steve Doocy and the gang can talk some sense into Trump. /

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Anymouse the Hypocrite 🌹  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:55:56pm

re: #286 Charles Johnson

But it’s very unlikely that every person in the chain of command would refuse to carry out the order, and that’s what it would take to stop it.

While the stakes are much higher here, the situation of firing people at DOD would be similar to Nixon doing it at DOJ. It ended in Nixon’s resignation.

I guess I’ll find out if we sudden have a bunch of Roman candles go up by my house. If I were the grifting type, I might be selling the eclipse to my neighbours as “the end is nigh, give me money.”

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Decatur Deb  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:56:37pm

Tonight’s threads have hardly strayed from the topics. Nothing like Armageddon to….

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Teukka  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:56:50pm

re: #295 teleskiguy

It’s not sealed. You talk as if every human being on planet Earth is going to be vaporized within the week. Do you even know how nuclear bombs work?

Look, I understand your dread, I feel it. But your defeatist attitude is not helping at all.

Learn about nuclear war survival. Like the basic mantra Time, Distance, Mass:
o Time - Limit your exposure to radiation sources.
o Distance - Keep/Increase your distance to radiation sources.
o Mass - Keep as much of mass between you and the radiation source as possible.
Most of radiological hygiene protocol circulates around this mantra.

Another is what to do if you see the dreaded flash:
o Turn your face away from it.
o Start counting seconds.
o Get something heavy and immovable between you and the flash before the shockwave arrives.
o Note the time when the flash ends.
o Open your mouth and do the pressure equalization you do in an airplane.
o Note the time the shockwave hits.
This will give you the yield of the device, and your distance to it. It will give you a hint as to if you are to bury down and stay put for a week or until authorities get you out, or whether you have enough distance to evac pronto. Avoid downwind from ground zero.

You may have a short window just after the blast but before the fallout comes down to find proper shelter. Use it. Prepare by learning the locations of good basements and shelters in areas you often are in.

“Nine meals from anarchy”: Have at least 3 days worth of food you can easily prepare even if power and gas is gone. Same with water.

I can try and answer other questions if you want.

Also, the reason I know is partly because of I handle stuff I fear by learning what I can about them, partly because I’m one of the last classes that got the mandatory Civil Defence training in high school in Sweden.

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Kragar  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:56:55pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:57:39pm

Why don’t we have ballistic missiles with non nuclear warheads to respond to the same? Because we depend on nuclear deterrence immediately or conventional forces days or weeks or months later to get it done.

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Kragar  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:57:46pm
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Charles Johnson  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:58:35pm
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Weaselone  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:59:06pm

re: #308 Unshaken Defiance

A system designed to default down the line of dead or missing members is not the same as designed to ignore “No” from a proper authority in the chain.

Trump has the authority to remove members from that chain. The system then defaults automatically down the line. How it was designed is irrelevant. That’s how it functions.

I will add that the possibility that someone in the chain of command was a Russian agent was probably considered when the system was devised. In that case, you’d want the President to be able to quickly sack that individual.

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ObserverArt  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:59:14pm

re: #280 Weaselone

You guys are quibbling with details. Secretary of Defense is supposed to sign off and relay the order further down the chain of command. If he refuses, he gets sacked. If the next guy in line refuses, s/he gets sacked until the President gets someone who will issue the order.

The only way to prevent the order from ultimately being issued and the strike carried out is to remove the President from office. The 25th amendment and impeachment would be too slow, so someone with him at the time he attempts to issue the order would need to do so by force.

A coup.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 8, 2017 • 7:59:37pm

The crowd here may be burned out on gallows humor but some of the responses to this are pretty funny.
3200 degrees, firestorms, wind from the south at 2000 KPH, recommend SPF 2 million etc.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:00:23pm

re: #316 Unshaken Defiance

Why don’t we have ballistic missiles with non nuclear warheads to respond to the same? Because we depend on nuclear deterrence immediately or conventional forces days or weeks or months later to get it done.

That’s for other platforms—mostly cruise missile. The most valuable contribution of conventional forces is to make nukes optional.

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Teukka  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:02:23pm

re: #321 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

The crowd may be burned out on gallows humor but some of the responses to this are pretty funny.
3200 degrees, firestorms, wind from the south at 2000 KPH, recommend SPF 2 million etc.

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Single-handed sailor  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:02:25pm

re: #317 Kragar

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I check the stock market and if there is a line straight down I know trump fucked something up. (like today)

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jaunte  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:04:02pm
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retired cynic  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:05:41pm

re: #324 Single-handed sailor

I check the stock market and if there is a line straight down I know trump fucked something up. (like today)

Wonder how many people in the administration had sell orders set to go today?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:06:03pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:06:51pm

re: #319 Weaselone

Well look if we are where a system of safeguards does not function as designed, it’s never never land. That’s a malfunction by definition, and I was trying to point out how it is supposed to work. Of course safeguards can possibly be thwarted. But that’s rather aside from my point to Charles. There are safeguards between the president and unrestricted nuclear warfare cause Trump feels insulted.

Can he really just look at the officer with the football, beckon with a finger, open it and off go the missiles? Just like that? I doubt it.

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calochortus  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:07:19pm

My brother will be dropping by shortly with a nice bottle of wine. I hope he brings the really good stuff, just in case there isn’t a next week for him to visit… (Did someone mention gallows humor?)

Hasta mañana, Lizards. And keep those chins up, OK?

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No Depression  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:07:29pm

re: #325 jaunte

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So is this just a show of force to deter North Korea from making good on its threat to strike Guam?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:07:38pm

re: #286 Charles Johnson

But it’s very unlikely that every person in the chain of command would refuse to carry out the order, and that’s what it would take to stop it.

Yes, THIS.

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Anymouse the Hypocrite 🌹  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:09:11pm

re: #331 Eclectic Cyborg

Yes, THIS.

I’m not too sure the military chain-of-command wants to end the world to stroke Trump’s ego.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:09:49pm

re: #328 Unshaken Defiance

snip…There are safeguards between the president and unrestricted nuclear warfare cause Trump feels insulted…..

The safeguard was a free and relatively fair election last November.

Blame the highschool Civics curricula.

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Anymouse the Hypocrite 🌹  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:10:30pm

re: #330 No Depression

So is this just a show of force to deter North Korea from making good on its threat to strike Guam?

Backward. North Korea made a response to Trump threatening their country.

cbsnews.com

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No Depression  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:11:08pm

re: #332 Anymouse 🌹

I’m not too sure the military chain-of-command wants to end the world to stroke Trump’s ego.

One thing to remember is that there’s nothing deterministic about something that involves people. So that’s something I guess.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:12:12pm

re: #330 No Depression

So is this just a show of force to deter North Korea from making good on its threat to strike Guam?

Worth noting: The B-1s pictured do not have nuclear capability (treaty verified by Russian inspection). B-2s and B-52s retain it as do most tactical aircraft.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:12:33pm

re: #335 No Depression

One thing to remember is that there’s nothing deterministic about something that involves people. So that’s something I guess.

So we can have an outbreak of sanity, or a constitutional government, but not both.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:12:35pm

It’s been a steady stream of these wrong-headed replies all night…

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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:12:48pm

re: #322 Decatur Deb

That’s for other platforms—mostly cruise missile. The most valuable contribution of conventional forces is to make nukes optional.

And we are coming up short because Global Prompt Strike does not yet exist apart from a nuke. When NK rolls out an IRBM TEL, we have minutes not hours or days.

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teleskiguy  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:13:47pm
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JordanRules  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:13:56pm

re: #333 Decatur Deb

Relatively indeed.

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No Depression  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:15:36pm

re: #337 Decatur Deb

So we can have an outbreak of sanity, or a constitutional government, but not both.

Constitutional government doesn’t mean shit if we’re all black outlines on walls.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:16:02pm

re: #341 JordanRules

Relatively indeed.

Wasn’t wasting syllables, there.

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Weaselone  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:16:31pm

re: #339 Unshaken Defiance

And we are coming up short because Global Prompt Strike does not yet exist apart from a nuke. When NK rolls out an IRBM TEL, we have minutes not hours or days.

We have forces stationed close enough to NK that the response doesn’t have to take days or hours.

There’s also a risk in the US launching ICBMs with conventional payloads in that we have nuclear tipped ICBMs. If we were to target them at NK, how does China react given the can’t know for certain that they are conventional and that NK is the actual target?

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Decatur Deb  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:17:13pm

re: #342 No Depression

Constitutional government doesn’t mean shit if we’re all black outlines on walls.

A lot of people died just to get it this imperfect.

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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:18:25pm

re: #338 Charles Johnson

I’m with ya on Congress… Same people misunderstand executive Orders, separation of powers etc etc etc.

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teleskiguy  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:18:41pm

Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.

Giphy

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jaunte  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:19:23pm

One of my clients just took a new job.
It’s in Seoul.

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Targetpractice  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:19:44pm

re: #316 Unshaken Defiance

Why don’t we have ballistic missiles with non nuclear warheads to respond to the same? Because we depend on nuclear deterrence immediately or conventional forces days or weeks or months later to get it done.

Think about it for a sec. If Russia or China see an ICBM launch on their radars, do they take the time to guess at what payload it’s carrying? Or do they assume a nuclear launch and respond accordingly in the short time they have? Better yet, if we called them and said it was a conventional launch intended for a North Korean target, would either believe us?

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Kragar  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:20:34pm
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Patricia Kayden  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:21:48pm

re: #287 Unshaken Defiance

I’m not going to defend words I have not written. He can order as he pleases. What happens next depends on other people.

Generals? The Vice President? That’s a little bit reassuring if true. I’d hate to know that all that power is concentrated in just one person — especially a dangerous lunatic like Trump.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:22:01pm
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goddamnedfrank  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:23:03pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:23:12pm

re: #344 Weaselone

Let’s say 60 minutes to put the boom on the target. Clock starts when a certain kind of most threatening missile launcher shows up on satellite. Far northwest NK, near the Chinese border. What brings a bang in under an hour?

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No Depression  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:23:49pm

I guess this is my feeling right now. We’re not all gonna die, but something really horrible is gonna happen.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:24:07pm

re: #352 Charles Johnson

Looking into it, it seems like a very gray area, but would certainly be illegal if it was disproportionate to the threat.

“We have a valid launch code.”
“Confirm.”
“Confirmed.”
“Better call a lawyer.”

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teleskiguy  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:25:03pm

re: #353 goddamnedfrank

HAPPY BIRTHDAY!

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retired cynic  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:26:18pm

re: #357 teleskiguy

HAPPY BIRTHDAY!

Is that one of those spinners? I’m not touching that!

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:26:41pm

re: #137 Charles Johnson

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Have also been dealing with this brand of reality denial today.

I honestly don’t even know how to respond to that last one.

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Anymouse the Hypocrite 🌹  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:26:48pm

re: #358 retired cynic

Is that one of those spinners? I’m not touching that!

No, it’s a video.

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teleskiguy  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:27:18pm

re: #358 retired cynic

Is that one of those spinners? I’m not touching that!

No! Comment is 100% spin free.

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retired cynic  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:27:42pm

re: #359 goddamnedfrank

Maybe not, but he is.

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bratwurst  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:28:47pm

So much for his pledge only 8 hours ago!

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MsJ  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:29:42pm

re: #353 goddamnedfrank

Hoppy Birthday!!!

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Decatur Deb  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:30:09pm

re: #359 goddamnedfrank

Have also been dealing with this brand of reality denial today.

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I honestly don’t even know how to respond to that last one.

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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:31:00pm

re: #349 Targetpractice

Okay I hear you. Yet, a couple things. They see pretty fast exactly where it’s going. Pyongyang not Kiev. What about sub launched? Assume we have tested a bunch of these publicly so it”s understood we have them. When needed for NK-Would we not be on the hotline explaining what we are up to?

By the way look at the ballistic track of our ABM EKV’s launched against a NK salvo from Alaska. A bunch of ballistic launched warheads that did not hit NK targets are falling down in Russia and China. And that is if all works as designed.

We are already there risk wise.

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Anymouse the Hypocrite 🌹  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:31:26pm

wonkette.com

On the topic of media annihilation rather than military, Wonkette explains how FCC Chairman Ajit Pai is trying to ram through the idea of Sinclair Broadcasting acquiring a majority of television stations without actually claiming they are, by reviving the old UHF rule that doesn’t really apply.

They include a map showing what Sinclair would actually own if they are successfull (virtually the whole country would be covered by them).

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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:33:12pm

re: #351 Patricia Kayden

Generals? The Vice President? That’s a little bit reassuring if true. I’d hate to know that all that power is concentrated in just one person — especially a dangerous lunatic like Trump.

Sec Def, JCS. If those guys say go I’m sure our missile or sub crews would launch.

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Anymouse the Hypocrite 🌹  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:34:46pm

re: #353 goddamnedfrank

Happy birthday!

Happy Birthday!
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teleskiguy  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:35:00pm

Meanwhile in Australia…

Instagram

So I missed my annual performance review at work today because I got stuck on a mountain during a 1 in a 100 year snow storm… What are the chances!?
#blizzardofoz
#seehighcountry #mthotham #victoria #visitvictoria #wandervictoria #landscape #mountains #australia #bishopbindings #bomberbishop #salomon #ski #freeheel #backcountry #aussieskier #telemark #hotham #snow

*drool*

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Decatur Deb  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:35:31pm

re: #368 Unshaken Defiance

Sec Def, JCS. If those guys say go I’m sure our missile or sub crews would launch.

Putin doesn’t doubt it.
Gorbachov didn’t doubt it.
Andropov didn’t doubt it.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:39:11pm
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Weaselone  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:39:41pm

re: #354 Unshaken Defiance

Let’s say 60 minutes to put the boom on the target. Clock starts when a certain kind of most threatening missile launcher shows up on satellite. Far northwest NK, near the Chinese border. What brings a bang in under an hour?

Currently, my guess would be cruise missiles launched from ships/submarines. There have also been overflights by B-1s based in Guam so they could also be utilized if they were in close proximity to NK at the time the launcher was detected.

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freetoken  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:40:29pm

Listening to this 2008 interview, it now seems like a anticipation of the persona of Trump as he became:

Eric Cartman Interview On NPR

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makeitstop  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:41:00pm

I’ve got the feeling that Trump will back down from nukes and send a bunch of soldiers into South Korea as a show of force instead.

Some largely ineffectual action that will look good on Fox and that he can yell about at his stupid rallies.

I’ve been known to be wrong.

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:41:15pm

re: #353 goddamnedfrank

Happy Birthday!

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:42:57pm

re: #372 goddamnedfrank

Frankly My Dear 🐁 @goddamnedfrank
Busters and Stein voters right now.
10:38 PM - Aug 8, 2017

Ain’t that the truth!

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piratedan  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:44:06pm

well, considering how incredibly feckless the GOP has been so far, I don’t think Vegas is taking odds on impeachment or that the cabinet will move to remove this week.

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Anymouse the Hypocrite 🌹  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:45:06pm

My wife warns that despite the possibility of the Nebraska Sandhills being turned into four hundred miles of glass, there are more important things to do, like come to dinner.

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freetoken  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:45:22pm

For some reason Youtube is suggesting I watch this full length movie from the 1950’s:

This Island Earth 1955 Full Sci Fi Movie Full Movie HD 👽

The IMDB short description:

Aliens come to Earth seeking scientists to help them in their war.

Hmm….

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Myron Falwell  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:45:46pm

re: #367 Anymouse 🌹

wonkette.com

On the topic of media annihilation rather than military, Wonkette explains how FCC Chairman Ajit Pai is trying to ram through the idea of Sinclair Broadcasting acquiring a majority of television stations without actually claiming they are, by reviving the old UHF rule that doesn’t really apply.

They include a map showing what Sinclair would actually own if they are successfull (virtually the whole country would be covered by them).

The Sinclair-Tribune merger is a merger so bad that Newsmax and OANN have filed petitions against it.

Plus Fox is contemplating a deal with ION Television that would have the vast majority of their ION station group add a Fox affiliation; in return, Fox will give up operational control of their entire O&O station group to ION. Fox will then terminate the contracts with all their affiliates owned by Sinclair and Tribune (news of that cause Sinclair’s stock price to drop significantly).

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teleskiguy  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:46:18pm

re: #378 piratedan

well, considering how incredibly feckless the GOP has been so far, I don’t think Vegas is taking odds on impeachment or that the cabinet will move to remove this week.

The Nevada Gaming Commission (and for that matter the United States writ large) explicitly forbids political based gambling. Which is a shame, I think.

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majii  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:47:09pm

re: #377 Hecuba’s daughter

“Ain’t that the truth!”

Speaking of Bernie Sanders, where’s his statement about Trump’s inflammatory statement to NK?

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Charles Johnson  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:47:50pm

Now I’ve got anti-Trump people insulting me for pointing out these facts about the president’s authority to launch a nuclear strike, because they don’t want to face reality.

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:49:01pm

re: #383 majii

“Ain’t that the truth!”

Speaking of Bernie Sanders, where’s his statement about Trump’s inflammatory statement to NK?

It doesn’t relate to single payer health care so why would he comment? //

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Scout  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:49:14pm

I was just chatting with a British coworker and told her about trump’s nuke bellicosity.

Her immediate response: “Did something break in the Russian probe?”

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Charles Johnson  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:50:45pm
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teleskiguy  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:50:59pm

re: #386 Scout

I was just chatting with a British coworker and told her about trump’s nuke bellicosity.

Her immediate response: “Did something break in the Russian probe?”

Ayup.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:52:42pm

re: #387 Charles Johnson

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freetoken  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:53:17pm

re: #384 Charles Johnson

One reason I lump Trumpers in with creationists is that the reaction is the same - when confronted with facts, they just ignore them or deny them.

I guess the only approach one can take, other than just ignore them all, is to start by asking them what it would take to change their mind. See if they come up with an answer - or if they just check out.

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teleskiguy  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:53:26pm
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KGxvi  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:53:27pm

re: #387 Charles Johnson

Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama, Trump. Those are the presidents of my lifetime. Trump is without a doubt the worst speaker of the bunch. By about six country miles

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teleskiguy  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:54:30pm
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teleskiguy  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:56:24pm

A true hero.

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Belafon  Aug 8, 2017 • 8:57:20pm

re: #328 Unshaken Defiance

Well look if we are where a system of safeguards does not function as designed, it’s never never land. That’s a malfunction by definition, and I was trying to point out how it is supposed to work. Of course safeguards can possibly be thwarted. But that’s rather aside from my point to Charles. There are safeguards between the president and unrestricted nuclear warfare cause Trump feels insulted.

Can he really just look at the officer with the football, beckon with a finger, open it and off go the missiles? Just like that? I doubt it.

I’m not doing the freak out, but the system for launching our nuclear arsenal was set up so that one person, the president, could launch it on a whim, and the only thing keeping him from doing it was that he knew the other side wouldn’t. It was explicitly built so that the other side knew there would be no delay in launching. I mean, what good is a nuclear deterrent if it takes hours for it to launch?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 8, 2017 • 9:00:21pm

re: #38 jaunte

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Robert Jeffress is Rapturous at the prospect.

Nothing would give Jefress more pleasure than to see Hollywood and San Francisco nuked. He’d be leading millions of brainwashed idiots into praising Gawd for blowing America’s Sodom and Gomorrah off of the face of the earth…

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Belafon  Aug 8, 2017 • 9:00:43pm

re: #364 MsJ

Hoppy Birthday!!!

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My son and I saw Valerian. It was ok, but there was a scene where someone was dressed as Jessica Rabbit.

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retired cynic  Aug 8, 2017 • 9:00:51pm

Here’s some good news:

BREAKING NEWS!

Moments ago, Democrat Phil Miller was declared the WINNER of his special election for Iowa House!

This victory means Democrats just won by ten points in a district that favored Donald Trump by more than 20 points last fall!

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Myron Falwell  Aug 8, 2017 • 9:01:32pm

re: #388 teleskiguy

Ayup.

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And it may not even be THAT. When bad news hits Trump, it’s a goddam endless torrent.

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NoSoapForYou  Aug 8, 2017 • 9:01:33pm

I can tell you right now the result of this is going to be that we trade away Joel Embiid, Dario Saric, and Markelle Fultz at the trade deadline only to acquire Dennis Rodman.

I say let the bombs fly.

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Myron Falwell  Aug 8, 2017 • 9:04:06pm

re: #400 NoSoapForYou

I can tell you right now the result of this is going to be that we trade away Joel Embiid, Dario Saric, and Markelle Fultz at the trade deadline only to acquire Dennis Rodman.

I say let thebombs fly.

“I say, let em crash!”

I say let them crash!

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Belafon  Aug 8, 2017 • 9:04:18pm

Also, legal? If the president is launching nuclear weapons, we’ve skipped legal.

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NoSoapForYou  Aug 8, 2017 • 9:04:38pm
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Anymouse the Hypocrite 🌹  Aug 8, 2017 • 9:04:59pm

re: #392 KGxvi

Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama, Trump. Those are the presidents of my lifetime. Trump is without a doubt the worst speaker of the bunch. By about six country miles

Get off my lawn /s (says the guy who also can add Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, and Ford to that list)

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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 8, 2017 • 9:05:35pm

re: #351 Patricia Kayden
This is one of my sources.
quora.com

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 8, 2017 • 9:07:56pm

re: #404 Anymouse 🌹

Get off my lawn /s (says the guy who also can add Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, and Ford to that list)

I can remember Truman, barely. I think there are a couple of lizardoids who remember FDR.
It’s strange what one person’s lifetime can encompass. Sometimes it seems like an eternity, sometimes like it was all only yesterday.

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Anymouse the Hypocrite 🌹  Aug 8, 2017 • 9:09:06pm

re: #398 retired cynic

Here’s some good news:

Democrats keep rolling up special elections in majority-Republican areas. While publicly the GOP hasn’t said much about this (nor the magic balance fairy press), privately they have to be considering options.

a) If they are convinced this is the backlash against Trump, they will either distance themselves from him or they will dump him
b) They will restrict voting further, or plain suspend elections (favourite tools of authoritarians everywhere)
c) Start a war

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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 8, 2017 • 9:11:57pm

re: #395 Belafon

On a whim? That’s where the other humans matter. Under attack or direct threat of imminent attack would be another matter.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 8, 2017 • 9:15:10pm
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Semper Fi  Aug 8, 2017 • 9:16:56pm

re: #406 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

I can remember Truman, barely. I think there are a couple of lizardoids who remember FDR.
It’s strange what one person’s lifetime can encompass. Sometimes it seems like an eternity, sometimes like it was all only yesterday.

I still remember FDR’s, “All we have to fear is fear itself.” I was 8.

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William Lewis  Aug 8, 2017 • 9:20:05pm

re: #408 Unshaken Defiance

On a whim? That’s where the other humans matter. Under attack or direct threat of imminent attack would be another matter.

US doctrine was always to wait to launch only after a detonation on US soil. Soviet doctrine, OTOH, was launch on warning. Which is why we owe everything left in this world to Stanislav Petrov who, on Sept 26,1983 decided that the incoming missiles they were tracking was a false alarm. By doctrine, he should have ordered a launch.

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VegasGolfer  Aug 8, 2017 • 9:21:43pm

re: #378 piratedan

well, considering how incredibly feckless the GOP has been so far, I don’t think Vegas is taking odds on impeachment or that the cabinet will move to remove this week.

sports.paddypower.mobi

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teleskiguy  Aug 8, 2017 • 9:22:36pm

re: #410 Semper Fi

I still remember FDR’s, “All we have to fear is fear itself.” I was 8.

You’re 92 years old. You and bear are probably the eldest Lizards.

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retired cynic  Aug 8, 2017 • 9:35:28pm

re: #413 teleskiguy

You’re 92 years old. You and bear are probably the eldest Lizards.

I remember it, but not live. //

Sir, you are my parents’ generation. My uncle is the last left in our family of that group, at 93. applause.

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Semper Fi  Aug 8, 2017 • 9:41:06pm

re: #413 teleskiguy

You’re 92 years old. You and bear are probably the eldest Lizards.

Much apology for my senior moment. I really wanted to write about the declaration of war on Japan. However, the many comments expressing the fear of how (almost easily) a nuclear war could start entered my fingers and out came FDR’s Depression speech which I did not hear as it was the year I was born. Sorry.

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teleskiguy  Aug 8, 2017 • 9:54:42pm

re: #415 Semper Fi

Much apology for my senior moment. I really wanted to write about the declaration of war on Japan. However, the many comments expressing the fear of how (almost easily) a nuclear war could start entered my fingers and out came FDR’s Depression speech which I did not hear as it was the year I was born. Sorry.

Okay. So you’re 84 years old. Still, you’ve been around the block compared to 99% of the folks who comment here.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 8, 2017 • 10:19:09pm

re: #380 freetoken

For some reason Youtube is suggesting I watch this full length movie from the 1950’s:

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The IMDB short description:

Hmm….

“Are youbuilding an Interociter?”

“NO!”


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