Trump Makes Fools of His Spokespeople Again, Makes Explicit Nuclear Threat

Doubles down on nuclear threats on Twitter
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According to the Washington Post’s Philip Rucker, White House officials were brushing off the “fire and fury” threat Donald Trump made yesterday, saying it had nothing to do with nuclear escalation.

And then this morning, as he’s done many times before, Trump fired up his iPhone, logged on to Twitter, and made fools of his spokespeople by doubling down on his threat and making it perfectly clear he was talking about a nuclear attack.

Apart from the unhinged bellicose threat, these two tweets are just packed with lies and distortions; it’s actually kind of impressive how many falsehoods he managed to fit in just two tweets.

First, his order to “modernize” the nuclear arsenal was not his first executive order by a long shot. There were many before it, and in fact it wasn’t an executive order — it was a presidential memo.

Second, this effort to review and modernize the arsenal was actually begun under President Obama, so once again Trump is trying to take credit for something he isn’t responsible for.

Third, there has been no modernization or renovation yet. This effort hasn’t progressed past the review stage. So when Trump says “it is now far stronger and more powerful than ever before,” it’s… yes… an outright lie. Nothing has changed in the US nuclear arsenal, and it will be years before any renovation takes place.

Nations that are not friendly to the United States are watching this moron flailing around, making threats and lying. What do you think the effect of that is going to be?

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271 comments

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 9, 2017 • 11:32:04am

America is now exactly what the Right falsely claimed during the Obama Administration, a laughing stock completely lacking in credibility. And its only going to get worse.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 9, 2017 • 11:32:15am
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Anymouse the Hypocrite 🌹  Aug 9, 2017 • 11:33:00am

re: #1 Big Beautiful Door

America is now exactly what the Right falsely claimed during the Obama Administration, a laughing stock completely lacking in credibility. And its only going to get worse.

The liberal meme applies here: It’s projection with those assholes, always.

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Anymouse the Hypocrite 🌹  Aug 9, 2017 • 11:33:51am
Coming up with @BrookeBCNN in a few minutes! Until then, let’s Periscope, shall we? pscp.tv

— Rick Wilson (@TheRickWilson) August 9, 2017

That sounds vaguely sleazy.

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Ace-o-aces  Aug 9, 2017 • 11:34:39am

SQUIRREL!

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gocart mozart  Aug 9, 2017 • 11:35:53am

The picture captures the true essence of Trump

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Targetpractice  Aug 9, 2017 • 11:36:05am

re: #5 Ace-o-aces

SQUIRREL!

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If it’s like most Morris predictions, this means Hillary’s gonna win a Nobel Prize.

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Belafon  Aug 9, 2017 • 11:36:17am

re: #5 Ace-o-aces

SQUIRREL!

She will have to resign from the presidency in disgrace.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 9, 2017 • 11:36:36am

re: #5 Ace-o-aces

SQUIRREL!

This Could Be The End!

So nobody told The Enquirer?

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Charles Johnson  Aug 9, 2017 • 11:36:47am

At least a dozen people tweeted at me overnight, denying that Trump has unilateral authority to order a nuclear attack, and saying it has to be approved by Congress. Why are so many people in denial about this? This information isn’t secret.

It’s irritating and frustrating as hell to be deluged by this kind of ignorance on something so important.

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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 9, 2017 • 11:38:10am

Trump talks big and we are not ready to fight, short of nukes. cnn.com

The US military isn’t in any position right now to strike North Korea with the kind of campaign that would be needed to bring battlefield success and would need weeks, if not months, to sort out the logistics, analysts say.

Our weakness will be seen and exploited. Is being seen and exploited.

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Interesting Times  Aug 9, 2017 • 11:38:37am

re: #10 Charles Johnson

Send them this:

Facebook Post

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Interesting Times  Aug 9, 2017 • 11:39:34am

This too:

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Sir John Barron  Aug 9, 2017 • 11:39:36am

re: #5 Ace-o-aces

SQUIRREL!

GAME CHANGE!

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EPR-radar  Aug 9, 2017 • 11:41:24am

re: #10 Charles Johnson

At least a dozen people tweeted at me overnight, denying that Trump has unilateral authority to order a nuclear attack, and saying it has to be approved by Congress. Why are so many people in denial about this? This information isn’t secret.

It’s irritating and frustrating as hell to be deluged by this kind of ignorance on something so important.

I can understand confusion about the exact details of the National Command Authority chain of command and what (if anything) they can do to stop a deranged POTUS, but this business of needing Congressional approval is just brain-dead stupid.

It is a priori ridiculous for Congressional approval to be needed to launch the nukes because Congress takes forever to do anything (except extending copyright duration), and you don’t have that kind of time in a ‘launch the nukes’ decision scenario.

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EPR-radar  Aug 9, 2017 • 11:43:18am

It was clear during the 2016 campaign that tr*mp viewed nuclear weapons as toys that he would very much like to use.

Now we are seeing this play out as one would expect.

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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 9, 2017 • 11:43:39am

Classic North Korea Bellicose and belligerent, then a whipsaw shift.
North Korea releases Canadian citizen on “humanitarian” grounds

In the past NK experts have noted this seemingly schizo behavior actually signals an opening for dialog. Fwiw.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 9, 2017 • 11:43:40am

Kim Jong Un may be crazy but he’s definitely not stupid.

Trump, unfortunately, is both.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 9, 2017 • 11:43:46am

re: #10 Charles Johnson

At least a dozen people tweeted at me overnight, denying that Trump has unilateral authority to order a nuclear attack, and saying it has to be approved by Congress. Why are so many people in denial about this? This information isn’t secret.

It’s irritating and frustrating as hell to be deluged by this kind of ignorance on something so important.

If they’re young, they might be innocently ignorant. For those of us who grew up in the 50’s, it was a routine playground fact.

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Belafon  Aug 9, 2017 • 11:44:13am

re: #15 EPR-radar

I can understand confusion about the exact details of the National Command Authority chain of command and what (if anything) they can do to stop a deranged POTUS, but this business of needing Congressional approval is just brain-dead stupid.

It is a priori ridiculous for Congressional approval to be needed to launch the nukes because Congress takes forever to do anything (except extending copyright duration), and you don’t have that kind of time in a ‘launch the nukes’ decision scenario.

The bill they’re trying to pass would require congressional approval for a first strike, not retaliation.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 9, 2017 • 11:45:15am

re: #16 EPR-radar

Yeah, toys that could kill millions and fuck up the planet as we know it.

Personally, I think he’s excited by the prospect of seeing a big boom. (I wish I was joking…)

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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 9, 2017 • 11:45:27am

re: #10 Charles Johnson

At least a dozen people tweeted at me overnight, denying that Trump has unilateral authority to order a nuclear attack, and saying it has to be approved by Congress. Why are so many people in denial about this? This information isn’t secret.

It’s irritating and frustrating as hell to be deluged by this kind of ignorance on something so important.

Who would have thought civics and geography would be “lost arts” among our population?

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EPR-radar  Aug 9, 2017 • 11:45:50am

re: #20 Belafon

The bill they’re trying to pass would require congressional approval for a first strike, not retaliation.

As I recall, GOP Congressional leadership has shown no interest in putting this kind of leash on their pet monster in the white house.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 9, 2017 • 11:46:39am

re: #22 Unshaken Defiance

Who would have thought civics and geography would be “lost arts” among our population?

Much of my generation learned our geography by invading or occupying it.

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Targetpractice  Aug 9, 2017 • 11:46:45am

re: #15 EPR-radar

I can understand confusion about the exact details of the National Command Authority chain of command and what (if anything) they can do to stop a deranged POTUS, but this business of needing Congressional approval is just brain-dead stupid.

It is a priori ridiculous for Congressional approval to be needed to launch the nukes because Congress takes forever to do anything (except extending copyright duration), and you don’t have that kind of time in a ‘launch the nukes’ decision scenario.

Sad as it is to say, I consider it a serious error in judgment to require Congressional approval to put nuclear weapons on the table. One of the things that kept the Cold War from escalating was the knowledge on both sides that a use of nukes in even a “minor war” could lead the other side to open their own locker. It’s not impossible to imagine Russia or China using the paralysis of congressional infighting to bully lesser nations with the threat of nuclear bombardment.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 9, 2017 • 11:47:38am

re: #23 EPR-radar

As I recall, GOP Congressional leadership has shown no interest in putting this kind of leash on their pet monster in the white house.

It’s recess. They’re busy evading their constituents.

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Kragar  Aug 9, 2017 • 11:47:48am
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makeitstop  Aug 9, 2017 • 11:48:35am

re: #23 EPR-radar

As I recall, GOP Congressional leadership has shown no interest in putting this kind of leash on their pet monster in the white house.

But who would have thought they’d pass those Russia sanctions by a veto-proof margin?

Congress is getting tired of the clown show. While a few of them will defend Trump to the last, I’m getting the feeling that a growing number of them want to cripple his presidency if not get him out of office altogether.

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lawhawk  Aug 9, 2017 • 11:49:47am

re: #10 Charles Johnson

At least a dozen people tweeted at me overnight, denying that Trump has unilateral authority to order a nuclear attack, and saying it has to be approved by Congress. Why are so many people in denial about this? This information isn’t secret.

It’s irritating and frustrating as hell to be deluged by this kind of ignorance on something so important.

The ignorance is what drives people to think that Trump’s going to MAGA and all the rest of the bs that he spews daily. Trump knows how to talk ignorance; he mirrors the ignorance found throughout the GOP. He revels in it.

The chain of command of launching a nuclear strike is quite clear. There is no Congressional interaction, because the entire concept of a reprisal attack necessitated immediate action and is a CinC function. If the missiles were in the air and inbound, there was no way to get a declaration of war from Congress.

Likewise, the US has had an ambiguous relationship to no first strike, and the idea of a first strike capability stems from the ability of the CinC to launch nukes without Congress declaring war. Obama considered switching US doctrine to a no first use policy, but demurred. Maintaining a first use capability has always been integral to US defense doctrine. For instance responding to a conventional attack with nuclear weapons was key to NATO strategy in Europe. If the Warsaw Pact invaded with conventional forces, that would be treated as existential threat for which the response would be to use nukes to attack the invading forces. That too went into the MAD calculus that both sides weighed.

Now we’ve got the reactionary know nothing Trump pushing nonsense that his own staff was clueless about - they were blindsided by Trump statements (not vetted), and the proverbial walkback by the staff began, only to get undercut by Trump’s tweets once again.

Never mind that Trump’s tweets were entirely bullshit because they were more fact-free nonsense. Everything from Trump claiming he’s modernized the nuclear triad (he didn’t) to that it was his first order (it wasn’t).

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 9, 2017 • 11:49:49am

Also, nuking North Korea would destabilize Asia, which would totally fuck up Trumps businesses as well as a bunch of other major businesses.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 9, 2017 • 11:49:51am

Now I’ve got a guy insisting over and over and over that the Secretary of Defense has to approve or verify an order to launch nukes. He won’t even take the word of former SecDef Bill Perry on it.

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dangerman  Aug 9, 2017 • 11:50:01am

re: #10 Charles Johnson

It’s irritating and frustrating as hell to be deluged by this kind of ignorance on something so important.

sadly that could be said about so many things

we keep at it. we do not counter this nonsense with logic.
we counter it by not allowing it to be normalized.
by not treating it as an equal viewpoint that can be argued and debated and thus legitimized

when people say stuff thats outlandish or just plain crackpot, you do not have to rebut or debunk or anything else. you dont have to educate them

call them nuts, crackpots, quacks. call what they’ve said lies or idiocy or whatever you like or ETA from #15 above “just brain dead stupid”

last ETA from 40 below or “dumbfuckery” (get the idea yet?)

and move on

dont legitimize rhetorical twaddle

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EPR-radar  Aug 9, 2017 • 11:50:39am

re: #25 Targetpractice

Sad as it is to say, I consider it a serious error in judgment to require Congressional approval to put nuclear weapons on the table. One of the things that kept the Cold War from escalating was the knowledge on both sides that a use of nukes in even a “minor war” could lead the other side to open their own locker. It’s not impossible to imagine Russia or China using the paralysis of congressional infighting to bully lesser nations with the threat of nuclear bombardment.

I have to agree, even though I’d like to see as many restraints on the tr*mp-thing as possible. IIRC, the US never committed to no nuclear first strike because that would have given the Soviets a free hand to wage conventional war to occupy all of Europe.

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 9, 2017 • 11:50:50am

re: #11 Unshaken Defiance

Trump talks big and we are not ready to fight, short of nukes. cnn.com

Our weakness will be seen and exploited. Is being seen and exploited.

Our forces in Korea are there as a deterrence to an attack; it would take a months long massive build up to launch offensive operations against the North. If Trump wants to take out the North’s nuclear strike capacity, our only option is to launch a pre-emptive nuclear strike.

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Belafon  Aug 9, 2017 • 11:51:37am

re: #23 EPR-radar

As I recall, GOP Congressional leadership has shown no interest in putting this kind of leash on their pet monster in the white house.

Agree, and, if Trump were to launch it all, what will be left to prosecute him? If he only, for some reason, chose to wipe out NK, it wouldn’t take a new law to have him removed from office. But I think it keeps a good focus on the fact that Trump controls our nukes.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 9, 2017 • 11:51:50am

re: #27 Kragar

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Looks like the chicken is near the Elipse.

google.com

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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 9, 2017 • 11:52:10am

re: #24 Decatur Deb

Much of my generation learned our geography by invading or occupying it.

Show me Brazil on the map… Wait insurgencies count right? Ummm lemme think who we have not. ///

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Sir John Barron  Aug 9, 2017 • 11:52:39am

re: #23 EPR-radar

As I recall, GOP Congressional leadership has shown no interest in putting this kind of leash on their pet monster in the white house.

What was the pet monster in The Addams Family? The Thing? It?

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Targetpractice  Aug 9, 2017 • 11:53:39am

re: #34 Big Beautiful Door

Our forces in Korea are there as a deterrence to an attack; it would take a months long massive build up to launch offensive operations against the North. If Trump wants to take out the North’s nuclear strike capacity, our only option is to launch a pre-emptive nuclear strike.

Our forces there are a trip wire. Particularly when you consider that Pyongyang has enough ordinance aimed at Seoul at any given moment to level half the city before we could even consider counter-bombardment.

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lawhawk  Aug 9, 2017 • 11:55:15am

re: #31 Charles Johnson

Block ‘em for dumbfuckery. There’s no way you can change his mind.

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 9, 2017 • 11:57:03am

re: #33 EPR-radar

I have to agree, even though I’d like to see as many restraints on the tr*mp-thing as possible. IIRC, the US never committed to no nuclear first strike because that would have given the Soviets a free hand to wage conventional war to occupy all of Europe.

However the Soviets are gone and Russia doesn’t have that kind of military capacity. So committing to no first use, especially by the only nation in history to ever use nukes, seems like a sensible step to me.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Aug 9, 2017 • 11:57:31am

re: #38 Sir John Barron

What was the pet monster in The Addams Family? The Thing? It?

Thing (a hand). Kitty (a lion with the heart of a mouse).

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Decatur Deb  Aug 9, 2017 • 11:58:40am

re: #39 Targetpractice

Our forces there are a trip wire. Particularly when you consider that Pyongyang has enough ordinance aimed at Seoul at any given moment to level half the city before we could even consider counter-bombardment.

We’ve pulled a lot out, or back South of Seoul, since my family was there.

en.wikipedia.org

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KGxvi  Aug 9, 2017 • 11:58:57am

Retaliation or reprisal is different than a first strike. A first strike would be an act of war and would require Congressional approval, at least from a constitutional standpoint. With retaliation or reprisal, someone has attacked us (or an ally), and that wouldn’t necessarily require a declaration of war or a AUMF. Once a war starts, there’s technically nothing to stop the president from launching nuclear weapons - beyond the international law of proportionality.

I’m not sure the use of nuclear weapons as a “defensive” first strike would be something that would hold up well in either public opinion or Congress. But at this point, fuck if I know.

This is the real problem, the systems in place are legal structures and traditions that Trump has shown little interest in maintaining or understanding the reasoning behind.

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dangerman  Aug 9, 2017 • 11:59:51am

re: #38 Sir John Barron

What was the pet monster in The Addams Family? The Thing? It?

“It” was the hand in the box

the munsters had a dragon named “spot” lived under the stairs

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Charles Johnson  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:01:42pm

re: #44 KGxvi

I’m not sure the use of nuclear weapons as a “defensive” first strike would be something that would hold up well in either public opinion or Congress.

Trump has shown no respect for the constitution, so I doubt that alone could or would prevent him from ordering a launch. And if it gets to that point, public opinion would be the least of our concerns.

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ObserverArt  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:02:53pm

I was looking through a Google search of images and saw Glenn Beck. What’s ol’ Glenn been up to lately? No one seems to talk about him any more.

Not that it is a bad thing.

Has he been out-crazied by more extreme Trump mouth pieces? Or, has he lost his in with the wingnut crowd because he criticized Trump a bit?

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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:02:58pm

re: #34 Big Beautiful Door

Our forces in Korea are there as a deterrence to an attack; it would take a months long massive build up to launch offensive operations against the North. If Trump wants to take out the North’s nuclear strike capacity, our only option is to launch a pre-emptive nuclear strike.

And nukes are the sole credible response we have to even a thwarted nuclear attack or conventional ballistic missile attack on US continental soil or say Hawaii. Hopefully Russia will recognize EKV’s as non threatening to them

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KGxvi  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:04:37pm

re: #46 Charles Johnson

Trump has shown no respect for the constitution, so I doubt that alone could or would prevent him from ordering a launch. And if it gets to that point, public opinion would be the least of our concerns.

No disagreement there.

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makeitstop  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:07:34pm

re: #45 dangerman

“It” was the hand in the box

the munsters had a dragon named “spot” lived under the stairs

No, it was Thing.

Remember, they always thanked him when they handed them the phone or whatnot.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:09:46pm

re: #50 makeitstop

No, it was Thing.

Remember, they always thanked him when they handed them the phone or whatnot.

Yep, Cousin It was the hairy guy.

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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:11:48pm

Would an order to nuke NK be legal today?Or to tactical nuke an ISIS base in Iraq, Syria or the Phillipines?

But in the halls of the Pentagon, there’s an assumption that things will never get so bad. There is a presumption that should Trump propose using such weapons, every delay tactic possible, coupled with an unprecedented international outcry, would stop it. Others, both inside and outside the United States, would argue that morally, the US cannot do it. It is a disproportionate response to the ISIS threat and would end up killing masses of civilians, not just terrorists, making it a war crime.
There would be an effort to slow roll. The Secretary of Defense may threaten to quit. I think that would be your check,” Lawrence Korb, a senior fellow at the Center for American Progress, explained to the Daily Beast. Less clear is what the nuclear response would be if the U.S. suddenly discovered missiles were headed its way.

thedailybeast.com

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Charles Johnson  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:12:47pm

re: #40 lawhawk

Block ‘em for dumbfuckery. There’s no way you can change his mind.

Yeah, I just muted him. He’s in “absolute refusal to admit mistakes” mode, and it’s tedious as hell.

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dangerman  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:16:05pm

re: #46 Charles Johnson

Trump has shown no respect for the constitution

look at how fast we got here. yes, i think, fast.

i understand that congress has its own agenda and they’ll use trump to get what they want &c

yet here we are a mere 7 months in, trump ignores the constitution as if it doesnt exist

and what does congress, as a body do?
a coequal branch - one of whose functions is checks and balances, to uphold the constitution and all

they have completely caved and let him do what he wants

why are they letting him run wild? they wouldnt let another R
sure they could be biding their time, “building a case”

or do they have such disdain for the institution, that they just don’t effin care? lost all credibility wrt to the inherent “truthfulness and sanctity” of the constitution and the rule of law

this is more than just “picking and choosing the parts you like”

they’re delegitimizing their own reason for being

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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:16:41pm
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gocart mozart  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:17:51pm
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dangerman  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:18:50pm

re: #50 makeitstop

No, it was Thing.

Remember, they always thanked him when they handed them the phone or whatnot.

my bad - yeah the hairy IT

don’t post while tax returning

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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:21:47pm
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wheat-dogg  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:22:03pm

re: #48 Unshaken Defiance

And nukes are the sole credible response we have to even a thwarted nuclear attack or conventional ballistic missile attack on US soil or say Hawaii. Hopefully Russia will recognize EKV’s as non threatening to them

Point of clarification: Hawai’i is US soil.

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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:24:21pm

re: #59 wheat-dogg

Thank you. Corrected sorta. Bad idea to use cut for edits. Kept the wrong part.

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makeitstop  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:24:45pm

Good thread re Manafort.

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No Depression  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:25:33pm

re: #59 wheat-dogg

Point of clarification: Hawai’i is US soil.

No, it’s just some island in the Pacific. /

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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:26:17pm

So now that Guam and SK have a THAAD or two, how about Washington, Oregon and California? 4 each please. Maybe we should have kept the nuclear Nike missiles around the valley.///

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sagehen  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:26:24pm

re: #30 Eclectic Cyborg

Also, nuking North Korea would destabilize Asia, which would totally fuck up Trumps businesses as well as a bunch of other major businesses.

Plus, y’know, Earth only has one atmosphere. It’s full of air and air currents and whatever might waft up into those air currents, and it circulates so their air will be our air soon enough.

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Ace-o-aces  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:27:22pm

Read the ad she links to. Just….read it.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:27:25pm

re: #59 wheat-dogg

Point of clarification: Hawai’i is US soil.

Fake News.

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wheat-dogg  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:27:31pm

re: #62 No Depression

No, it’s just some island in the Pacific. /

Allegedly, it is the home state of the Usurper, Obama, who usurped the presidency for 8 years and then voluntarily relinquished the office for some reason.
/

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makeitstop  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:27:53pm

Hee hee….

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wheat-dogg  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:28:55pm

re: #64 sagehen

Plus, y’know, Earth only has one atmosphere. It’s full of air and air currents and whatever might waft up into those air currents, and it circulates so their air will be our air soon enough.

There’s probably an alt-science “theory” contradicting that idea.

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Belafon  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:29:56pm

re: #65 Ace-o-aces

Read the ad she links to. Just….read it.

I can’t read the ad at work, so I will read later. I’m also interested in the term bananapants as an adjective.

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plansbandc  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:30:01pm

re: #38 Sir John Barron

Cousin It was the hairy thing that lived in the closet. Thing was the disembodied hand. Misspent youth TV watching.

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cat-tikvah  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:30:36pm

re: #13 Interesting Times

My congressman - Brendan Boyle - is a co-sponsor.

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Belafon  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:30:36pm

re: #69 wheat-dogg

There’s probably an alt-science “theory” contradicting that idea.

Air doesn’t wrap around the edge of the earth.

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No Depression  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:30:36pm

re: #64 sagehen

Plus, y’know, Earth only has one atmosphere. It’s full of air and air currents and whatever might waft up into those air currents, and it circulates so their air will be our air soon enough.

This huge tumor on my face was worth it just to see how pissed off libtards got when Trump nuked the Norks! MAGA!

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dangerman  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:30:44pm

re: #65 Ace-o-aces

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Read the ad she links to. Just….read it.

self absorbed much?

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Charles Johnson  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:30:52pm
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Ace-o-aces  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:32:13pm
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bratwurst  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:32:43pm
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dangerman  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:32:57pm

re: #70 Belafon

I can’t read the ad at work, so I will read later. I’m also interested in the term bananapants as an adjective.

i won’t keep editing my re: #32 dangerman

but if i did….

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makeitstop  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:33:07pm

re: #65 Ace-o-aces

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Read the ad she links to. Just….read it.

Holy crap.

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JordanRules  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:33:23pm

re: #76 Charles Johnson

Is this coordinated wilfull ignorance? Have mercy!
They keep coming.

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Myron Falwell  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:34:10pm

re: #13 Interesting Times

This too:

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The chances that can pass either chamber of Congress — let alone override a veto — are less than imperceptible.

And that’s being charitable.

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dangerman  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:35:07pm

re: #76 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]I hope everyone realizes Trump has the power to launch a nuclear war at any time, for any reason, & nobody has the authority to prevent it.

That’s incorrect. He’s not able to have that power and yes there are others who can prevent him. Stop scaremongering

ok now watch:

that’s just bananapants ya melonhead.

shoo.

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Myron Falwell  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:36:20pm

re: #81 JordanRules

Is this coordinated wilfull ignorance? Have mercy!
They keep coming.

Denial — the first stage of grieving.

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Ace-o-aces  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:36:46pm

re: #75 dangerman

self absorbed much?

These people are the physical manifestation of everything people hate about rich San Franciscans

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Belafon  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:36:55pm

re: #81 JordanRules

Is this coordinated wilfull ignorance? Have mercy!
They keep coming.

There are a lot of people who hope there are some rational people in charge of our nuclear arsenal. I can forgive those who didn’t live through the Cold War, because they really wouldn’t understand the idea that we actually had to give the president the authority to be as crazy as he needed to deter Russia. But the system was set up so that the Soviets believed he was one wrong move away from obliterating them, and vice versa.

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scottslemmons  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:37:00pm

re: #65 Ace-o-aces

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Read the ad she links to. Just….read it.

Right now, I see so very many job ads that want someone who’s able to do website design, graphic design, marketing writing, advertising, and social media all at once, usually for a lot less money than you’d pay a professional who was skilled in even one of those jobs. So in a way, a help-wanted ad looking for a personal assistant/dog walker/martial artist/pedicurist/hair brusher/et literally cetera isn’t too surprising… :)

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wheat-dogg  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:37:17pm

re: #73 Belafon

Air doesn’t wrap around the edge of the earth.

Right. The giant ice wall keeps it all in. //

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makeitstop  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:37:29pm

re: #82 Myron Falwell

The chances that can pass either chamber of Congress — let alone override a veto — are less than imperceptible.

And that’s being charitable.

Six months ago you’d have said the same thing about passing a Russian sanctions bill.

The landscape, it is changing.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:37:29pm

re: #1 Big Beautiful Door

America is now exactly what the Right falsely claimed during the Obama Administration, a laughing stock completely lacking in credibility. And its only going to get worse.

I really hope that people will not have to die in droves before those who have the authority to do so remove DT from power.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:38:50pm

re: #22 Unshaken Defiance

Who would have thought civics and geography would be “lost arts” among our population?

The fact that DT is our President is a good sign of how far that rot has progressed in the body politic.

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ObserverArt  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:39:40pm

re: #65 Ace-o-aces

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Read the ad she links to. Just….read it.

It is no wonder they have no time. How much did it take to compose that rather anal-retentive “ad?” I bet they belabor everything like that too.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:40:27pm
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JordanRules  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:40:45pm

re: #84 Myron Falwell

Damn. Hadn’t thought of that, but that definitely can be a factor here. It’s kinda sad.

All this painful education and learning what are only norms and tradition thru this last year or so has been interesting to say the least.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:41:02pm

re: #81 JordanRules

Is this coordinated wilfull ignorance? Have mercy!
They keep coming.

It’s non-stop.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:41:28pm

And when I point out things they can read to show that I’m correct, they refuse to admit it even then.

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Belafon  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:42:23pm

Also, so many are counting on the military not following an unlawful order. Launching nuclear weapons is a lawful order.

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No Depression  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:42:47pm

re: #93 Stanley Sea

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Gee, I wonder why his staff keeps leaking shit.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:43:23pm

re: #96 Charles Johnson

And when I point out things they can read to show that I’m correct, they refuse to admit it even then.

fake news!

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Ace-o-aces  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:43:44pm

re: #87 scottslemmons

Right now, I see so very many job ads that want someone who’s able to do website design, graphic design, marketing writing, advertising, and social media all at once, usually for a lot less money than you’d pay a professional who was skilled in even one of those jobs. So in a way, a help-wanted ad looking for a personal assistant/dog walker/martial artist/pedicurist/hair brusher/et literally cetera isn’t too surprising… :)

personal assistant/dog walker seems reasonable. After that, I’m like, “just hire a cleaning lady and learn to manage your time better.”

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gocart mozart  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:43:58pm

My criminal law and 1st amendment professor won a case at the Connecticut Supreme Court protecting your constitutional right to curse out a store manager.
(excerpt) State v. Baccala, 326 Conn. 232 (2017)

The defendant proceeded to loudly call Freeman a “fat ugly bitch” and a “****,” and said “fuck you, you’re not a manager,” all while gesticulating with her cane. Despite the defendant’s crude and angry expressions directed at her, Freeman remained professional. She simply responded, “[h]ave a good night,” which prompted the defendant to leave the supermarket.

Thereafter, the defendant was arrested and charged with breach of the peace in the second degree.4Link to the text of the note Following a jury trial, the defendant was convicted of that charge and sentenced to twenty-five days incarceration. The defendant appealed, and we transferred the appeal to this court pursuant to General Statutes § 51-199 (c) and Practice Book § 65-2.

Unlike George Carlin’s classic 1972 comedic monologue, “Seven Words You Can Never Say on Television,”6Link to the text of the note it is well settled that HN5 there are no per se fighting words. See Downs v. State, 278 Md. 610, 615, 366 A.2d 41 (1976). Although [**9] certain language in Chaplinsky seemed to suggest that some words in and of themselves might be inherently likely to provoke the average person to violent retaliation, such as “God damned racketeer” and “damned Fascist”; (internal quotation marks omitted) Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire, supra, 315 U.S. 569, 574; subsequent case law eschewed the broad implications of such a per se approach. See People v. Stephen, 153 Misc. 2d 382, 387, 581 N.Y.S.2d 981 (1992) (“[w]hile the original Chaplinsky formulation of ‘fighting words’ may have given some impression of establishing a category of words which could be proscribed regardless of the context in which they were used, developing [f]irst [a]mendment doctrine in the half century since Chaplinsky was decided has continually resorted to analyzing provocative expression contextually”); see also Texas v. Johnson, supra, 491 U.S. 409; Gooding v. Wilson, 405 U.S. 518, 525, 92 S. Ct. 1103, 31 L. Ed. 2d 408 (1972); Cohen v. California, 403 U.S. 15, 20, 23, 91 S. Ct. 1780, 29 L. Ed. 2d 284 (1971); L. Tribe, American Constitutional Law (2d Ed. 1988) § 12-10, pp. 850-51. Rather, HN6 “words may or may not be ‘fighting words,’ depending upon the circumstances of their utterance.” Lewis v. New Orleans, 415 U.S. 130, 135, (1974) (Powell, J., concurring); see R. A. V. v. St. Paul, 505 U.S. 377, (1992) (Stevens, J., concurring) (“[w]hether words are fighting words is determined in part by their context”); Hammond v. Adkisson, 536 F.2d 237, 239 (8th Cir. 1976) (first amendment requires “determination that the words were used ‘under such circumstances’ that they were likely to arouse to immediate and violent anger the person to whom the words were addressed” [emphasis [**10] omitted]); State v. Szymkiewicz, supra, 237 Conn. 620 (considering both “the words used by the defendant” and “the circumstances in which they were used”); State v. Hoskins, 35 Conn. Supp. 587, 591,(1978) “The ‘fighting words’ concept has two aspects. One involves the quality of the words themselves. The other concerns the circumstances under which the words are used.”).

In sum, the natural reaction of an average person in Freeman’s position who is confronted with a customer’s profane outburst, unaccompanied by any threats, would not be to strike her. We do not intend to suggest that words directed at a store manager will never constitute fighting words. Rather, we simply hold that under these circumstances the defendant’s vulgar insults would not be likely to provoke violent retaliation. Because the defendant’s speech does not fall within the narrow category of unprotected fighting words, her conviction of breach of the peace in the second degree on the basis of pure speech constitutes a violation of the first amendment to the United States constitution.

The judgment is reversed and the case is remanded with direction to render a judgment of acquittal.

In this opinion PALMER, ROBINSON and D’AURIA, Js., concurred.

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Myron Falwell  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:44:05pm

re: #89 makeitstop

Six months ago you’d have said the same thing about passing a Russian sanctions bill.

The landscape, it is changing.

Exactly right. The landscape on doing away with M.A.D. can’t change soon enough, though.

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makeitstop  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:44:13pm

re: #92 ObserverArt

It is no wonder they have no time. How much did it take to compose that rather anal-retentive “ad?” I bet they belabor everything like that too.

30 bucks an hour doesn’t even begin to cover what’s being asked of the potential employee. Dog vomit and mani-pedi? Better up the offer….

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KGxvi  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:44:13pm

re: #64 sagehen

Plus, y’know, Earth only has one atmosphere. It’s full of air and air currents and whatever might waft up into those air currents, and it circulates so their air will be our air soon enough.

According to this, it would likely “only” take about 100 nuclear explosions to render the world uninhabitable.

WarGames - “The Only Winning Move”

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:44:23pm

re: #90 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I really hope that people will not have to die in droves before those who have the authority to do so remove DT from power.

The GOP won’t remove Trump unless incontrovertible proof of his direct complicity in a crime surfaces. So unless the Pee-pee tape surfaces, that will probably depend on Mueller’s team producing overwhelming evidence that the Trump Organization was laundering money for the Russian Mob, or that Trump approved collusion with Russian intelligence agents during the Campaign. We are nowhere near 217 votes in the House to impeach, or 67 in the Senate to convict.

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EPR-radar  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:44:31pm

re: #92 ObserverArt

It is no wonder they have no time. How much did it take to compose that rather anal-retentive “ad?” I bet they belabor everything like that too.

‘rather anal-retentive’ is an excellent bit of understatement for what amounted to the Everlasting Gobstopper of anal retentiveness.

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JordanRules  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:45:01pm

re: #97 Belafon

Yep. They were counting on a number of things to happen during the primaries and campaign to happen too and they didn’t and it was perfectly legal if not normal. Now here we are.

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wheat-dogg  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:46:08pm

re: #78 bratwurst

One of the ongoing debates in South Korea is the consequence of unifying two disparate populations: one living fully in the 21st century and the other in a benighted version of the mid-20th century. People of the North have been indoctrinated to believe that everyone in the South is dying of hunger, and only want to invade the North for its food supply. Americans also only want to kill North Koreans and rape the women. Meanwhile, most NK citizens have had no exposure to the Internet, cellphones, microwave ovens, satellite TV — basically anything invented since 1950.

A regime change in the North would be even more difficult than, say, in Iraq, where the national leader was generally despised. North Koreans are taught to worship the Kim family as demigods. The sudden loss of Kim Jung-un as national leader would be more dramatic a loss than the infallible Emperor Hirohito telling his people he had made an awful mistake in pursuing war with the USA.

In short, a really bad idea.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:48:45pm

re: #108 wheat-dogg

I have often asked why China has offered its tacit and passive support to this odd anachronistic regime, but I guess the long game is that it can only annoy the US and make it look bad, especially should it elect an unstable and inexperienced leader.

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Eventual Carrion  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:50:41pm

re: #21 Eclectic Cyborg

Yeah, toys that could kill millions and fuck up the planet as we know it.

Personally, I think he’s excited by the prospect of seeing a big boom. (I wish I was joking…)

Can’t we just bring the firetruck back to the White House?

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EPR-radar  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:51:02pm

re: #85 Ace-o-aces

These people are the physical manifestation of everything people hate about rich San Franciscans

A perfect case study of failure at balancing money and life. May they have no takers for that ad and live in the squalor they are too lazy to deal with themselves (although I do feel bad for the dog).

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:52:24pm

re: #109 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I have often asked why China has offered its tacit and passive support to this odd anachronistic regime, but I guess the long game is that it can only annoy the US and make it look bad, especially should it elect an unstable and inexperienced leader.

China doesn’t want a unified, democratic Korea allied to the U.S. right on its border. N.K. provides a buffer.

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wheat-dogg  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:52:51pm

re: #109 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I have often asked why China has offered its tacit and passive support to this odd anachronistic regime, but I guess the long game is that it can only annoy the US and make it look bad, especially should it elect an unstable and inexperienced leader.

China, despite its great size and strength, is still smarting from the Japanese occupation. Though they would not admit to it, the Chinese fear another invasion. North Korea is a buffer between China and an ally of the USA and Japan, so propping up crazy cousin Kim’s regime serves a useful purpose. Plus, NK has natural resources that are useful to China, that the NK government is perfectly happy to part with if China continues to back up the regime.

Plus, money under the table is certainly involved.

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wheat-dogg  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:53:55pm

re: #112 Big Beautiful Door

China doesn’t want a unified, democratic Korea allied to the U.S. right on its border. N.K. provides a buffer.

Yeah, what I said, but with fewer words. ;-)

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ObserverArt  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:54:35pm

re: #97 Belafon

Also, so many are counting on the military not following an unlawful order. Launching nuclear weapons is a lawful order.

I agree what everyone is saying about the law, procedures, protocol and all that. But all of that is for a President that has the trust of the military and a good sense of history and is known for doing the right thing, especially under some heat.

I still hope the military tells Trump to stick it. Everyone can see he is an unstable hot head with no empathy and no actual reasoning.

Sometimes doing the wrong thing can be the right thing. Sure there will be consequences, but saving a lot of lives and preventing what could be catastrophic for much of the world could be worth it.

We are not in anything that resembles normal which is what all of those procedures count on.

I know one thing, I wouldn’t want to be a part of anyone that would have to follow this President’s order. He has stretched the bounds of just about everything.

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Ace-o-aces  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:54:46pm

re: #111 EPR-radar

A perfect case study of failure at balancing money and life. May they have no takers for that ad and live in the squalor they are too lazy to deal with themselves (although I do feel bad for the dog).

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Charles Johnson  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:54:49pm
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scottslemmons  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:54:57pm

re: #93 Stanley Sea

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Imagine being a Republican in Congress and thinking all that shit is A-OK and not worth impeachment. Imagine being a Republican voter and being happy your nation is being so thoroughly humiliated by this yammering moron.

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gocart mozart  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:55:02pm

re: #101 gocart mozart
Does LGF change the c-word to “****” a test
The defendant proceeded to loudly call Freeman a “fat ugly bitch” and a “****,”and said “fuck you, you’re not a manager,”
The court typed the letters “see/you/en/tee” and “****” appears.
Interesting

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scottslemmons  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:55:54pm

re: #96 Charles Johnson

And when I point out things they can read to show that I’m correct, they refuse to admit it even then.

They’ve all picked up the “Towering Egomania” fatal flaw from Greenwald.

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KGxvi  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:55:59pm

re: #112 Big Beautiful Door

China doesn’t want a unified, democratic Korea allied to the U.S. right on its border. N.K. provides a buffer.

Not only that, a collapse of North Korea means China gets hit with a wave of some 2 million refugees. Throw in the fact that there will also be a foggy period where the world won’t necessarily know what is happening with North Korea’s nuclear weapons, and the fact that a unified Korea would inherit those nuclear weapons (I assume they’d eventually look to disarm, but it’s still an issue).

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freetoken  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:56:39pm

re: #109 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It’s an interesting question for political theorists. Still, the one thing that the Chinese clearly do not want is any more US influence in NE Asia. Long term, I suspect the relationship with NK is just one of those things China has to do because they share a border. However, they might as well ride that horse as long as possible, and make the US be the one to finally give up on the Korean occupation first.

Now I suspect that back in the 50’s that the belief was that the US wouldn’t last all too long, in occupying Korea. But we’ve been there now into our 7th decade. Still, if one is a Chinese leader and are under the idea that one is part of a millennia long struggle, one would be correct that the US will eventually give up on Korea.

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Belafon  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:58:15pm

re: #115 ObserverArt

I agree what everyone is saying about the law, procedures, protocol and all that. But all of that is for a President that has the trust of the military and a good sense of history and is known for doing the right thing, especially under some heat.

I still hope the military tells Trump to stick it. Everyone can see he is an unstable hot head with no empathy and no actual reasoning.

Sometimes doing the wrong thing can be the right thing. Sure there will be consequences, but saving a lot of lives and preventing what could be catastrophic for much of the world could be worth it.

We are not in anything that resembles normal which is what all of those procedures count on.

I know one thing, I wouldn’t want to be a part of anyone that would have to follow this President’s order. He has stretched the bounds of just about everything.

I actually don’t think Trump will go that far, and there is a small part of me that hopes someone will intervene if he tries, but we shouldn’t count on it. If people are that worried, they need to start influencing those who can do something, namely Congress. Make it a campaign issue.

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BigPapa  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:58:16pm

re: #68 makeitstop

I’m cool with the Furry. Make Furry Great Again. Yeah, if only.

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 9, 2017 • 12:58:22pm

re: #113 wheat-dogg

China, despite its great size and strength, is still smarting from the Japanese occupation. Though they would not admit to it, the Chinese fear another invasion. North Korea is a buffer between China and an ally of the USA and Japan, so propping up crazy cousin Kim’s regime serves a useful purpose. Plus, NK has natural resources that are useful to China, that the NK government is perfectly happy to part with if China continues to back up the regime.

Plus, money under the table is certainly involved.

And Mao’s own son died fighting for the North against the “imperialist invaders.”

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Ace-o-aces  Aug 9, 2017 • 1:00:41pm
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b.d. (bill d.)  Aug 9, 2017 • 1:02:18pm

Dearest Charles,

Please quit reminding Trump that he can use nukes anytime he wants without anyone’s approval.

Thank you,

The People of Earth

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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 9, 2017 • 1:04:16pm

re: #96 Charles Johnson

Was reading your link, and a lot of good stuff there. Including the reaction to a “bonkers” (his word) attack order. So I asked.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Aug 9, 2017 • 1:05:53pm

I go away on vacation to El Salvador for a week and come back to the twidiot in chief threatening to nuke NK again, I think I’ll go back on vacation.

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dangerman  Aug 9, 2017 • 1:06:02pm

re: #105 Big Beautiful Door

The GOP won’t remove Trump unless incontrovertible proof of his direct complicity in a crime surfaces. So unless the Pee-pee tape surfaces, that will probably depend on Mueller’s team producing overwhelming evidence that the Trump Organization was laundering money for the Russian Mob, or that Trump approved collusion with Russian intelligence agents during the Campaign. We are nowhere near 217 votes in the House to impeach, or 67 in the Senate to convict.

there is overwhelming evidence. he’s thumbing his nose at every rule, convention, norm, the constitution itself. whether he’s self-aware of it or not

he’s looting, lying, playing blatant nepotism

any one, done one time, would have nailed 45-1

its flagrant. repetitive, egregious.
and they’re letting him.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 9, 2017 • 1:07:16pm

re: #130 dangerman

there is overwhelming evidence. he’s thumbing his nose at every rule, convention, norm, the constitution itself. whether he’s self-aware of it or not

he’s looting, lying, playing blatant nepotism

any one, done one time, would have nailed 45-1

its flagrant. repetitive, egregious.
and they’re letting him.

He has to become such a threat to their grip on power that they feel compelled to act. But an unstable President is going to have a detrimental effect on the stock market and international trade, and that might be a factor in getting them to finally do their constitutional duty.

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Ace-o-aces  Aug 9, 2017 • 1:07:39pm

This guy…

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Stanley Sea  Aug 9, 2017 • 1:08:22pm
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Dave In Austin  Aug 9, 2017 • 1:09:02pm
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dangerman  Aug 9, 2017 • 1:09:16pm

re: #108 wheat-dogg

…two disparate populations: one living fully in the 21st century and the other in a benighted version of the mid-20th century

hmmm

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gocart mozart  Aug 9, 2017 • 1:09:50pm
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wheat-dogg  Aug 9, 2017 • 1:09:52pm

re: #129 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

I go away on vacation to El Salvador for a week and come back to the twidiot in chief threatening to nuke NK again, I think I’ll go back on vacation.

How was El Salvador? I’m considering a visit there someday.

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JordanRules  Aug 9, 2017 • 1:10:02pm

re: #135 dangerman

Mmhmm

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lawhawk  Aug 9, 2017 • 1:13:43pm

re: #132 Ace-o-aces

That guy… Jacob Wohl.. is a scam artist that has caught the attention of regulators. He was banned from the National Futures Association permanently both personally and through his “fund”.

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gocart mozart  Aug 9, 2017 • 1:13:44pm
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JordanRules  Aug 9, 2017 • 1:14:12pm

LOL

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 9, 2017 • 1:14:37pm

re: #132 Ace-o-aces

This guy…

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And then it spent years fighting insurgents in Iraq. Good example of why we don’t want to repeat that experiment in Korea.

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 9, 2017 • 1:15:35pm

re: #141 JordanRules

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LOL

I wish Trump was there; he’d be furious.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 9, 2017 • 1:16:21pm

re: #142 Big Beautiful Door

And then it spent years fighting insurgents in Iraq. Good example of why we don’t want to repeat that experiment in Korea.

NK most indisputably has weapons of mass destruction at its disposal. End of discussion…

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Bubblehead II  Aug 9, 2017 • 1:16:42pm

Afternoon Lizards. I know that America’s nuclear deterrent is composed of a three prong approach. Air (Air Force) Land (again Air Force) and Sea (Navy). I Also notice that the Army is left out. Of the two remaining branches, one has been infiltrated by the religious right (Air Force) and the other (Navy) is quickly succumbing. What about the third (Army)?

Just some food for thought.
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makeitstop  Aug 9, 2017 • 1:17:10pm

re: #142 Big Beautiful Door

And then it spent years fighting insurgents in Iraq. Good example of why we don’t want to repeat that experiment in Korea.

Like someone said the other night - ‘Anyone advocating war with North Korea should find a Korean War veteran and ask how they feel about it.’

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Belafon  Aug 9, 2017 • 1:17:13pm

re: #135 dangerman

hmmm

Hey, no comparisons to the US.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 9, 2017 • 1:17:22pm

re: #145 Bubblehead II

Afternoon Lizards. I know that America’s nuclear deterrent is composed of a three prong approach. Air (Air Force) Land (again Air Force) and Sea (Navy). I Also notice that the Army is left out. Of the two remaining branches, one has been infiltrated by the religious right (Air Force) and the other (Navy) is quickly succumbing. What about the third (Army)?

Just some food for thought

Remember that DT was unaware of even the concept of the Nuclear Triad…

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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 9, 2017 • 1:19:42pm

re: #146 makeitstop

Like someone said the other night - ‘Anyone advocating war with North Korea should find a Korean War veteran and ask how they feel about it.’

Or a South Korean mom living in Seol.

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 9, 2017 • 1:21:52pm

Trump going after Mitch on Twitter.

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scottslemmons  Aug 9, 2017 • 1:22:16pm

re: #149 Unshaken Defiance

Or a South Korean mom living in Seol.

Or anyone currently serving in the American military in South Korea. My cousin was stationed there a few years back, and the ongoing stress of worrying about what North Korea was going to do was not healthy.

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JordanRules  Aug 9, 2017 • 1:22:22pm

re: #150 Big Beautiful Door

Popcorn time.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Aug 9, 2017 • 1:22:30pm

re: #137 wheat-dogg

How was El Salvador? I’m considering a visit there someday.

It really is a beautiful country. My wife’s mom is from there so we were visiting family. Lots to see and some beautiful places to visit. It’s a poor country for sure and has its issues but I love it there. They use the Dollar so no money conversion, food is cheap and so are hotels. Just be prepared for mosquitos, possible diarrhea (some food there disagreed with me big time) and really REALLY bad drivers.

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wheat-dogg  Aug 9, 2017 • 1:22:44pm

re: #135 dangerman

hmmm

Certainly there are parallels to the USA, but not congruence. In the USA, the benighted segments of the population at least have the option of learning about the 21st century world. In NK, their access to information is sharply limited and violations are brutally punished.

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gocart mozart  Aug 9, 2017 • 1:23:47pm
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wheat-dogg  Aug 9, 2017 • 1:24:36pm

re: #153 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

It really is a beautiful country. My wife’s mom is from there so we were visiting family. Lots to see and some beautiful places to visit. It’s a poor country for sure and has its issues but I love it there. They use the Dollar so no money conversion, food is cheap and so are hotels. Just be prepared for mosquitos, possible diarrhea (some food there disagreed with me big time) and really REALLY bad drivers.

Duly noted. I’m sponsoring a child there through Save the Children, partly because I participated in the sanctuary movement back in the 1980s, and our first family were salvadoreños.

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dangerman  Aug 9, 2017 • 1:25:03pm

re: #131 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He has to become such a threat to their grip on power that they feel compelled to act. But an unstable President is going to have a detrimental effect on the stock market and international trade, and that might be a factor in getting them to finally do their constitutional duty.

i get that - grip on power, self interest. surely.
and most days im just fine
and sure, congress could be thinking longer term - though i dont think they as a unified body are meeting in secret planning to save the markets and trade and the national reputation etc.

today is one of those days when i cannot reconcile what they’re actually saying an doing - which is virtually nothing, no pushback, no organized steps of their own. …when, like a light switch in january, the things that were important, that they the R’s even stood for over time, well they’re all gone.

trump aint that compelling and they’re certainly not being complicit in his insanity

i dont know if they surrendered, gave up, quit, got overwhelmed, lost control.

they’re not checking or balancing in any visible vocal way. where’s their own outrage that their very function is being trampled on? theyve just curled up and caved

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451_Montag  Aug 9, 2017 • 1:28:04pm

re: #74 No Depression

This huge tumor on my face was worth it just to see how pissed off libtards got when Trump nuked the Norks! MAGA!

Yeah… When they shit their spleen, that’ll show me

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lawhawk  Aug 9, 2017 • 1:28:16pm

re: #150 Big Beautiful Door

Because the GOP is a bunch of fucking liars about everything related to Obamacare, repeal/replace, straight repeal, etc.

They never had a fucking plan other than obstructionism and breaking stuff that works. And politically (combined with all the other stuff we’ve discussed like voter suppression, redistricting, etc.,) the GOP has managed to retain control of Congress and win the WH. Despite all that they still don’t have a plan to do anything other than sabotage functioning government.

Pass the popcorn
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Dr Lizardo  Aug 9, 2017 • 1:29:17pm

re: #155 gocart mozart

Well then, maybe the good Pastor there would be so kind as to give the Big Kahuna a call and put Him on the speakerphone so we can hear it straight from El Jefe Himself.

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dangerman  Aug 9, 2017 • 1:29:34pm

re: #136 gocart mozart

[Embedded content]It appears some protesters have inflated this behind the White House.

how do we know it’s not NK upping their game?

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gocart mozart  Aug 9, 2017 • 1:33:40pm
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dangerman  Aug 9, 2017 • 1:34:17pm

re: #154 wheat-dogg

Certainly there are parallels to the USA, but not congruence. In the USA, the benighted segments of the population at least have the option of learning about the 21st century world. In NK, their access to information is sharply limited and violations are brutally punished.

oh for sure
i could have left out benighted
and absolutely its optional and self imposed in the usa

i was just snarking on the “two disparate populations” part

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451_Montag  Aug 9, 2017 • 1:35:25pm

re: #155 gocart mozart

Is that a happy ending masseur? Fuck it I’ll chip in if it takes his mind off big shiny red buttons

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Charles Johnson  Aug 9, 2017 • 1:35:48pm
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dangerman  Aug 9, 2017 • 1:36:07pm

re: #155 gocart mozart

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half credit that his justification was with some tortured logic using the bible

at least he didnt say god spoke to him

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ObserverArt  Aug 9, 2017 • 1:36:37pm

re: #150 Big Beautiful Door

Trump going after Mitch on Twitter.

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I love it. Mitch is having a bad year…and the Republicans are in power. Cracks in the ol’ GOP.

Of course I also realize the Democratic Party is having similar issues with fighting factions.

Is America really a two-party political system anymore? We have Republicans calling themselves Independents. We have Democrats calling themselves Libertarians and Socialists.

Crazy times.

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 9, 2017 • 1:40:37pm

re: #143 Big Beautiful Door

I wish Trump was there; he’d be furious.

They need to take that thing to Bedminster, New Jersey.

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darthstar  Aug 9, 2017 • 1:42:20pm

White House says Huckabee helped with setting Trump’s tone today…

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dangerman  Aug 9, 2017 • 1:42:27pm

re: #159 lawhawk

Because the GOP is a bunch of fucking liars about everything related to Obamacare, repeal/replace, straight repeal, etc.

i wonder that they didnt think they’d have all the branches this time / so soon/right after obama. that’s why they didn’t/don’t have a real plan. they didn’t really think they’d need one

very few were predicting a trump win. not that it wasnt possible. just awfully remotely likely.

if clinton had won, then by 2020 or 24 things would have settled down and gotten way more entrenched. if the r’s still ran congress they could have let it fade away easier (not easy but easier).

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darthstar  Aug 9, 2017 • 1:42:59pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 9, 2017 • 1:43:55pm

re: #155 gocart mozart

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Belafon  Aug 9, 2017 • 1:48:17pm

re: #168 ObserverArt

We used to have liberals that called themselves Republicans and conservatives that called themselves Democrats, back during that brief period of sanity.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 9, 2017 • 1:48:43pm

I assume that DT’s spiritual advisor is not so much concerned with fleecing but in ensuring that the religions right will continue to say and do things that appeal to their concept of Christianity.

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EPR-radar  Aug 9, 2017 • 1:50:39pm

re: #175 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I assume that DT’s spiritual advisor is not so much concerned with fleecing but in ensuring that the religions right will continue to say and do things that appeal to their concept of Christianity.

In other words, “fleece away!” because theft is a core part of RWNJ Christianity.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 9, 2017 • 1:51:25pm

re: #176 EPR-radar

In other words, “fleece away!” because theft is a core part of RWNJ Christianity.

they have to be kept softened up before they will let the shears be applied

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Amory Blaine  Aug 9, 2017 • 1:54:21pm

Still got plenty of visqueen plastic and duct tape so I’m all good. Bombs away!
//

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 9, 2017 • 1:55:35pm

re: #178 Amory Blaine

Still got plenty of visqueen plastic and duct tape so I’m all good. Bombs away!
//

Don’t forget to duck and cover!

Duck And Cover (1951) Bert The Turtle Civil Defense Film

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Dr. Matt  Aug 9, 2017 • 1:57:04pm

Mind = Blown

At some point in your childhood, your mom was holding you and put you down, and never picked you up again.

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Ace-o-aces  Aug 9, 2017 • 2:01:24pm

re: #180 Dr. Matt

Mind = Blown

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More likely she tried, threw out her back as was like, “guess you’re gonna carry the groceries now.”

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KGxvi  Aug 9, 2017 • 2:02:18pm

re: #168 ObserverArt

I love it. Mitch is having a bad year…and the Republicans are in power. Cracks in the ol’ GOP.

Of course I also realize the Democratic Party is having similar issues with fighting factions.

Is America really a two-party political system anymore? We have Republicans calling themselves Independents. We have Democrats calling themselves Libertarians and Socialists.

Crazy times.

Our political system only has the veneer of being a two-party system. Both major parties are really broad coalitions similar to what governing coalitions look like in many European parliaments, and have been for a very long time. I do wonder if the rise of Trump’s populist/nationalist bullshit will shift some libertarians into the Democratic fold. I consider myself fairly libertarian and somewhere in the last 10 years or so, I went from center right to center left without really changing my opinion on anything. As a result, I’m much more inclined to vote for Democratic candidates than Republican ones.

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sizzzzlerz  Aug 9, 2017 • 2:02:51pm

re: #24 Decatur Deb

Much of my generation learned our geography by invading or occupying it.

Or undermining the elected government.

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JordanRules  Aug 9, 2017 • 2:04:53pm
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De Kolta Chair  Aug 9, 2017 • 2:08:10pm

Music Break!

The Green River Boys with Glen Campbell - Truck Drivin’ Man (1962)

GLEN CAMPBELL & Green River Boys - Truck Driving Man/Kentucky Means Paradise (1962)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 9, 2017 • 2:09:06pm

re: #180 Dr. Matt

Mind = Blown

[Embedded content]

I remember several times when my kids wanted to be picked up and I didn’t really feel like it, then I remembered that there would be a point when I could not do that any longer…but I would make them climb up onto the sofa first so I did not have to pick them all the way up…

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danarchy  Aug 9, 2017 • 2:09:07pm

re: #124 BigPapa

I’m cool with the Furry. Make Furry Great Again. Yeah, if only.

You shouldn’t mix fire and furry’s though. That can only end in disaster.

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KGxvi  Aug 9, 2017 • 2:11:08pm

re: #184 JordanRules

Two relevant links:

Trump’s approval/disapproval rating in Arizona is 47/52.

Flake’s approval/disapproval numbers are 18/62. (this poll has Trump’s numbers at 44/53, so in range with the first link)

Flake is toast, 52% of those polled said his vote on health care made them less likely to vote for him. And he loses to a generic Democrat 47-31 in a general.

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wheat-dogg  Aug 9, 2017 • 2:11:14pm

re: #168 ObserverArt

I love it. Mitch is having a bad year…and the Republicans are in power. Cracks in the ol’ GOP.

Of course I also realize the Democratic Party is having similar issues with fighting factions.

Is America really a two-party political system anymore? We have Republicans calling themselves Independents. We have Democrats calling themselves Libertarians and Socialists.

Crazy times.

Mitch and the GOP leadership decided to ride the tiger to the White House.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 9, 2017 • 2:11:40pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

At least a dozen people tweeted at me overnight, denying that Trump has unilateral authority to order a nuclear attack, and saying it has to be approved by Congress. Why are so many people in denial about this? This information isn’t secret.

It’s irritating and frustrating as hell to be deluged by this kind of ignorance on something so important.

Perhaps we all need an education on how the presidency works. Then we won’t be so prone to elect a dangerous bigot ever again.

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wrenchwench  Aug 9, 2017 • 2:13:01pm

re: #188 KGxvi

Two relevant links:

Trump’s approval/disapproval rating in Arizona is 47/52.

Flake’s approval/disapproval numbers are 18/62. (this poll has Trump’s numbers at 44/53, so in range with the first link)

Flake is toast, 52% of those polled said his vote on health care made them less likely to vote for him. And he loses to a generic Democrat 47-31 in a general.

Then I hope he wins the primary, and Gen Eric kicks his rear.

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darthstar  Aug 9, 2017 • 2:13:09pm

re: #180 Dr. Matt

Mind = Blown

[Embedded content]

Friend of mine on FB posted a pic holding her kid and lamented that she knew said day was coming and worried that she wouldn’t be able to appreciate the moment.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 9, 2017 • 2:13:36pm
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sizzzzlerz  Aug 9, 2017 • 2:13:52pm

re: #129 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

I go away on vacation to El Salvador for a week and come back to the twidiot in chief threatening to nuke NK again, I think I’ll go back on vacation.

Um, El Salvador may not be far enough. Talk to those guys launching a rocket around the moon.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 9, 2017 • 2:15:40pm

re: #27 Kragar

How did it get Trump’s toupee?

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Belafon  Aug 9, 2017 • 2:16:37pm

re: #188 KGxvi

Two relevant links:

Trump’s approval/disapproval rating in Arizona is 47/52.

Flake’s approval/disapproval numbers are 18/62. (this poll has Trump’s numbers at 44/53, so in range with the first link)

Flake is toast, 52% of those polled said his vote on health care made them less likely to vote for him. And he loses to a generic Democrat 47-31 in a general.

So he would lose against a generic Democrat, but I’m willing to bet that the Mercer approved candidate will want to repeal the ACA.

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Amory Blaine  Aug 9, 2017 • 2:17:05pm

Oops.
Trump’s Trade Pullout Roils Rural America

After the U.S. withdrawal from the Trans-Pacific Partnership, other nations launch 27 separate negotiations to undercut U.S. exporters.

EAGLE GROVE, Iowa—On a cloud-swept landscape dotted with grain elevators, a meat producer called Prestage Farms is building a 700,000-square-foot processing plant. The gleaming new factory is both the great hope of Wright County, which voted by a 2-1 margin for Donald Trump, and the victim of one of Trump’s first policy moves, his decision to pull out of the Trans-Pacific Partnership.

For much of industrial America, the TPP was a suspect deal, the successor to the North American Free Trade Agreement, which some argue led to a massive offshoring of U.S. jobs to Mexico. But for the already struggling agricultural sector, the sprawling 12-nation TPP, covering 40 percent of the world’s economy, was a lifeline. It was a chance to erase punishing tariffs that restricted the United States—the onetime “breadbasket of the world”—from selling its meats, grains and dairy products to massive importers of foodstuffs such as Japan and Vietnam.

The decision to pull out of the trade deal has become a double hit on places like Eagle Grove. The promised bump of $10 billion in agricultural output over 15 years, based on estimates by the U.S. International Trade Commission, won’t materialize. But Trump’s decision to withdraw from the pact also cleared the way for rival exporters such as Australia, New Zealand and the European Union to negotiate even lower tariffs with importing nations, creating potentially greater competitive advantages over U.S. exports.

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wheat-dogg  Aug 9, 2017 • 2:18:11pm

re: #190 Patricia Kayden

Perhaps we all need an education on how the presidency works. Then we won’t be so prone to elect a dangerous bigot ever again.

Voters need to understand the president is not a figurehead, like a constitutional monarch. He/she is an integral part of the US government and needs to have a good head on his/her shoulders, instead of a gas-filled bubble with a lousy hairdo.

Yet the very same people believed the RWNJ line that Obama was a despot, ruling the USA by executive fiat.

Ignorance will be our undoing. Dickens said it:

‘Spirit. are they yours.’ Scrooge could say no more.

‘They are Man’s,’ said the Spirit, looking down upon
them. ‘And they cling to me, appealing from their fathers.
This boy is Ignorance. This girl is Want. Beware them both,
and all of their degree, but most of all beware this boy,
for on his brow I see that written which is Doom, unless the
writing be erased.

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KGxvi  Aug 9, 2017 • 2:19:06pm

re: #196 Belafon

So he would lose against a generic Democrat, but I’m willing to bet that the Mercer approved candidate will want to repeal the ACA.

This is the profile of his primary challenger, Kelli Ward (who also challenged McCain last year).

As you might expect, not exactly a moderate.

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JordanRules  Aug 9, 2017 • 2:19:10pm

re: #196 Belafon

Will definitely be a big time repealer. And will not speak against Turnip and the “new direction” of the party in any form or fashion.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 9, 2017 • 2:19:26pm

Yes!

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Skip Intro  Aug 9, 2017 • 2:22:07pm

re: #143 Big Beautiful Door

I wish Trump was there; he’d be furious.

I’ll bet that doesn’t make it into his PM briefing folder and I doubt he ever watches the “news” part of Fox “News”.

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freetoken  Aug 9, 2017 • 2:22:25pm

re: #200 JordanRules

Mercer is backing Kelli Ward, a wingnut of course.

She is what the Trumpers want. Hopefully a majority of Arizonans will not want her.

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dangerman  Aug 9, 2017 • 2:23:13pm

re: #189 wheat-dogg

Mitch and the GOP leadership decided to ride the tiger to the White House.

Mitch will go down in history for having sold the collective soul of the Senate for a supreme Court seat
And
For pulling out every partisan parliamentary trick imaginable and still couldn’t pass anything re health care

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 9, 2017 • 2:23:50pm

re: #47 ObserverArt

He’s still being an asshole on SiriusXM.

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JordanRules  Aug 9, 2017 • 2:23:51pm

re: #203 freetoken

She’s the crazy lady that said McCain should go ahead and skedaddle right now and let her in.
Ugghh

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 9, 2017 • 2:24:00pm

re: #150 Big Beautiful Door

Trump going after Mitch on Twitter.

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So when does McConnell come out and say that his primary goal is to make sure that Trump only serves one term?

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JordanRules  Aug 9, 2017 • 2:25:56pm

re: #207 Patricia Kayden

He’s probably just having secret discussions with this guy.

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jaunte  Aug 9, 2017 • 2:26:37pm
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makeitstop  Aug 9, 2017 • 2:27:35pm

re: #199 KGxvi

This is the profile of his primary challenger, Kelli Ward (who also challenged McCain last year).

As you might expect, not exactly a moderate.

She’s the one who wants McCain to resign so they appoint her to his seat, right?

No, not too opportunistic…
/

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Charles Johnson  Aug 9, 2017 • 2:33:43pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 9, 2017 • 2:34:48pm

re: #178 Amory Blaine

Still got plenty of visqueen plastic and duct tape so I’m all good. Bombs away!
//

Mattis is now threatening nuclear war as well.

U.S. Defense Secretary Jim Mattis issued a stark warning to North Korea on Wednesday, telling Pyongyang that it should stop any actions that would lead to the “end of its regime and the destruction of its people.”

yahoo.com

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 9, 2017 • 2:34:57pm

re: #208 JordanRules

Pence better not measure those drapes too soon. He is probably as mixed up with the messiness that is the Trump regime as Trump’s other sycophants. I hope Mueller takes down the entire party.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 9, 2017 • 2:36:59pm

Kasowitz!

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makeitstop  Aug 9, 2017 • 2:40:17pm

re: #214 Charles Johnson

Kasowitz!

[Embedded content]

AKA Drunky McDrunkface

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 9, 2017 • 2:40:58pm

re: #214 Charles Johnson

Kasowitz!

[Embedded content]

“If you need me, I’ll be across the street practicing at the bar.”

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jaunte  Aug 9, 2017 • 2:43:19pm

“We are out here to criticize our president for being weak and ineffective as a leader and being too afraid to release his tax returns, too afraid to stand up to Putin and now engaged in a game of chicken with Kim Jong Un,” Brar said. “Yet he wants a military parade in DC. It’s all incongruous, and we are here to make fun of him for that.”

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 9, 2017 • 2:44:07pm

If you like Zombie movies, I saw a new one on Amazon Prime that isn’t just a gorefest, The Girl With All The Gifts. Has a good cast including Glenn Close.

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wrenchwench  Aug 9, 2017 • 2:46:06pm

It’s water vapor. No BOOM. ‘Til the thunder comes.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 9, 2017 • 2:46:09pm

re: #93 Stanley Sea

“They also believe Trump’s foreign policy is chiefly driven by an obsession with unravelling Barack Obama’s policies. ‘It’s his only real position,’ one European diplomat said. ‘He will ask: ‘Did Obama approve this?’ And if the answer is affirmative, he will say: ‘We don’t.’ He won’t even want to listen to the arguments or have a debate. He is obsessed with Obama.”

I detect no lies. Trump’s obsession with President Obama started with birtherism so it’s no surprise that even now Trump is obsessed with obliterating President Obama’s legacy. He knows that he is not in President Obama’s league (personally or professionally).

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gocart mozart  Aug 9, 2017 • 2:46:13pm
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ObserverArt  Aug 9, 2017 • 2:47:12pm

re: #182 KGxvi

Our political system only has the veneer of being a two-party system. Both major parties are really broad coalitions similar to what governing coalitions look like in many European parliaments, and have been for a very long time. I do wonder if the rise of Trump’s populist/nationalist bullshit will shift some libertarians into the Democratic fold. I consider myself fairly libertarian and somewhere in the last 10 years or so, I went from center right to center left without really changing my opinion on anything. As a result, I’m much more inclined to vote for Democratic candidates than Republican ones.

Agreed. Problem is it seems to be a bit tough to get everyone to coalesce.

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KGxvi  Aug 9, 2017 • 2:48:14pm

re: #220 Patricia Kayden

“They also believe Trump’s foreign policy is chiefly driven by an obsession with unravelling Barack Obama’s policies. ‘It’s his only real position,’ one European diplomat said. ‘He will ask: ‘Did Obama approve this?’ And if the answer is affirmative, he will say: ‘We don’t.’ He won’t even want to listen to the arguments or have a debate. He is obsessed with Obama.”

I detect no lies. Trump’s obsession with President Obama started with birtherism so it’s no surprise that even now Trump is obsessed with obliterating President Obama’s legacy. He knows that he is not in President Obama’s league (personally or professionally).

It all goes back to this:

President Obama Roasts Donald Trump At White House Correspondents’ Dinner!

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MsJ  Aug 9, 2017 • 2:52:32pm

re: #193 Stanley Sea

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wrenchwench  Aug 9, 2017 • 2:55:13pm
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Charles Johnson  Aug 9, 2017 • 2:58:24pm
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Charles Johnson  Aug 9, 2017 • 2:59:16pm
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Timothy Watson  Aug 9, 2017 • 2:59:28pm

re: #126 Ace-o-aces

What?!?!!?! The lead time on new weapons systems is measured in years. And for nuclear ones, sometimes decades.

For example, in 1972, the DOD predicted the Trident II SLBM would be operational by 1984. It didn’t enter service until 1990.

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jaunte  Aug 9, 2017 • 3:08:01pm

re: #225 wrenchwench

Next up, burned steak covered with ketchup.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 9, 2017 • 3:09:30pm

NK just put out a response.

Trying to find the full doc

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wrenchwench  Aug 9, 2017 • 3:09:49pm

re: #229 jaunte

Next up, burned steak covered with ketchup.

Is it done yet? Turn up the heat.

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 9, 2017 • 3:10:08pm

re: #230 Stanley Sea

NK just put out a response.

Trying to find the full doc

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oof!

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Kragar  Aug 9, 2017 • 3:13:32pm
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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 9, 2017 • 3:13:45pm

re: #225 wrenchwench

The condemned man did NOT eat a hearty meal.

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sagehen  Aug 9, 2017 • 3:14:36pm

re: #108 wheat-dogg

One of the ongoing debates in South Korea is the consequence of unifying two disparate populations: one living fully in the 21st century and the other in a benighted version of the mid-20th century.

German reunification x 20.

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KGxvi  Aug 9, 2017 • 3:14:42pm

re: #230 Stanley Sea

NK just put out a response.

Trying to find the full doc

[Embedded content]

BEREFT?!?!11/ WHAT DOES MY HAT HAVE TO DO WITH ANY OF THIS??/

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ObserverArt  Aug 9, 2017 • 3:15:36pm

re: #205 Joe Bacon 🌹

He’s still being an asshole on SiriusXM.

So Beck being on satellite radio has cut him out of the mainstream media in American in a way has it? You just do not see or hear that much about him. I can’t remember the last time he was mentioned around here at LGF.

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Kragar  Aug 9, 2017 • 3:16:52pm

re: #230 Stanley Sea

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gocart mozart  Aug 9, 2017 • 3:17:49pm

If Secretary of Defense Mattis resigns, anytime soon (say in the next few weeks), all bets are off. Why does this worry me? Because Mattis would resign, as I think would national security adviser H.R. McMaster, should an order be issued to commit overt military action. If you see that happen, maybe we should all worry. Until then, relax but monitor.

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ObserverArt  Aug 9, 2017 • 3:18:36pm

re: #214 Charles Johnson

Kasowitz!

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How very Trumpian.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 9, 2017 • 3:19:20pm
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gocart mozart  Aug 9, 2017 • 3:19:29pm
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ObserverArt  Aug 9, 2017 • 3:21:27pm

re: #220 Patricia Kayden

“They also believe Trump’s foreign policy is chiefly driven by an obsession with unravelling Barack Obama’s policies. ‘It’s his only real position,’ one European diplomat said. ‘He will ask: ‘Did Obama approve this?’ And if the answer is affirmative, he will say: ‘We don’t.’ He won’t even want to listen to the arguments or have a debate. He is obsessed with Obama.”

I detect no lies. Trump’s obsession with President Obama started with birtherism so it’s no surprise that even now Trump is obsessed with obliterating President Obama’s legacy. He knows that he is not in President Obama’s league (personally or professionally).

Don’t forget the White House Press Corp dinner when Obama lit Trump up with some great digs at him. He was pissed and he remained pissed.

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KGxvi  Aug 9, 2017 • 3:22:55pm

re: #235 sagehen

German reunification x 20.

German reunification took 41 years. There were still people alive who remembered a unified Germany. Korea was partitioned in 1945, North Korea became independent in 1950. We’re going on 72 years since the Japanese occupation ended. That’s basically all of living memory at this point. Probably need to add a couple of zeros to that multiplier.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 9, 2017 • 3:23:43pm

re: #241 Stanley Sea

“a gold links” was a dig at the yam being a golf course.

CNN is reading a slightly different statement that I’ve yet to find.

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ObserverArt  Aug 9, 2017 • 3:24:46pm

re: #230 Stanley Sea

NK just put out a response.

Trying to find the full doc

BREAKING: KCNA report: North Korea says sound dialogue not possible w/ U.S. President. Calls Trump a ‘guy bereft of reason’ via

Yeesh. They are right.

Sad that the crazy folks see our President as more crazy than them.

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Myron Falwell  Aug 9, 2017 • 3:25:16pm

re: #47 ObserverArt

I was looking through a Google search of images and saw Glenn Beck. What’s ol’ Glenn been up to lately? No one seems to talk about him any more.

Not that it is a bad thing.

Has he been out-crazied by more extreme Trump mouth pieces? Or, has he lost his in with the wingnut crowd because he criticized Trump a bit?

Yes and yes. He still has a radio show that hasn’t lost many stations yet, simply because of the vertical integration structure of his show (iHeartMedia owns the stations and the syndicator).

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steve_davis  Aug 9, 2017 • 3:33:45pm

re: #17 Unshaken Defiance

Classic North Korea Bellicose and belligerent, then a whipsaw shift.
North Korea releases Canadian citizen on “humanitarian” grounds

In the past NK experts have noted this seemingly schizo behavior actually signals an opening for dialog. Fwiw.

is the canadian citizen able to feed himself?

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Myron Falwell  Aug 9, 2017 • 3:39:39pm

re: #248 steve_davis

is the canadian citizen able to feed himself?

I asked myself the same question.

Wouldn’t it be something if North Korea was doing this so that OTHER countries (esp. Canada, China and the EU) could step in with dialogue… totally bypassing the US and humiliating a country that is now (justifiably) seen as more threatening, reckless and belligerent than they.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 9, 2017 • 3:42:08pm

Potential Darwin Award winner gets away this time but his criminal dumbassery will probably catch up with him sooner or later.

Police: Burglary suspect returns to yell at TX homeowner who tried to shoot him

A burglary suspect returned to a San Antonio home, shortly after his attempt was foiled on Tuesday, so he could yell at the homeowner for shooting at him, police say.
The burglar, dressed in all black, broke into the home in the 400 block of Millwood Lane around 9:30 a.m. He entered through the garage and then forced his way into the kitchen, where he encountered the homeowner, police said.
Sgt. Abel Balderas said the suspect tried to flee but the owner grabbed a handgun and shot at him.
Witnesses saw the suspect running down Mertz Drive. But police say he returned to the scene shortly thereafter and got into an argument with the homeowner. He then fled once again.
“I guess he didn’t like being shot at,” Balderas said. “But he should stay out of people’s houses then. If you don’t like being shot at, stay out of houses that aren’t yours.”

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MsJ  Aug 9, 2017 • 3:42:10pm

ICYMI.

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 9, 2017 • 3:43:14pm

re: #249 Myron Falwell

I asked myself the same question.

Wouldn’t it be something if North Korea was doing this so that OTHER countries (esp. Canada, China and the EU) could step in with dialogue… totally bypassing the US and humiliating a country that is now (justifiably) seen as more threatening, reckless and belligerent than they.

Me, too. As a force for diplomacy we’re increasingly irrelevant under Trump.

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Myron Falwell  Aug 9, 2017 • 3:50:45pm

re: #252 Barefoot Grin

Me, too. As a force for diplomacy we’re increasingly irrelevant under Trump.

Yup. Kim Jong Un may be beyond crazy, but he’s not suicidal. He knows that Trump is the ultimate paper tiger. That’s why he pressed Trump’s buttons like so because this reaction was totally predictable.

If other countries step in and wind up effectively saving the world from nuclear armageddon, then Kim will have pulled the ultimate hat trick against the US.

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bratwurst  Aug 9, 2017 • 3:54:45pm

!!!!!!!!!

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Myron Falwell  Aug 9, 2017 • 3:58:53pm

re: #254 bratwurst

Letterman meets Madonna all over again. Heh.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 9, 2017 • 4:00:14pm

re: #252 Barefoot Grin

Me, too. As a force for diplomacy anything we’re increasingly irrelevant under Trump.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 9, 2017 • 4:01:43pm

If and when rational government is restored, the right wing should be held to account for electing Trump and for then faithfully supporting him. Whatever punishment is legal and constitutional should be meted out. They should never be allowed to live it down.
This country was too easy on the right wing’s predecessors after the Civil War and we have been paying for that misguided laxity ever since. We can’t make the same mistake again.

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dangerman  Aug 9, 2017 • 4:03:28pm

re: #257 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

If and when rational government is restored, the right wing should be held to account for electing Trump and for then faithfully supporting him. Whatever punishment is legal and constitutional should be meted out. They should never be allowed to live it down.
This country was too easy on the right wing’s predecessors after the Civil War and we have been paying for that misguided laxity ever since. We can’t make the same mistake again.

“party of trump”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 9, 2017 • 4:05:10pm

re: #257 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

If and when rational government is restored, the right wing should be held to account for electing Trump and for then faithfully supporting him. Whatever punishment is legal and constitutional should be meted out. They should never be allowed to live it down.
This country was too easy on the right wing’s predecessors after the Civil War and we have been paying for that misguided laxity ever since. We can’t make the same mistake again.

Reconstruction II: The Reckoning

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ObserverArt  Aug 9, 2017 • 4:07:33pm

This crazy world of money to be made and politics.

It’s all a game, isn’t it?

A game where those with the big bucks can do and say anything and those with few bucks get to pay the price for it all.

Hollywood Reporter - Conservative Koch Brothers Are Secret Investors in ‘Wonder Woman’ (Exclusive)

Steven Mnuchin brought in the right-wing power brokers, as well as Bill Gates, to help fund such Hollywood projects as ‘Dunkirk’ and Steven Spielberg’s upcoming ‘Ready Player One.’

Though they might be the most reviled figures among Hollywood’s liberal crowd, the Koch brothers have been a silent investor in Warner Bros.’ slate of movies for four years.

Sources say Charles G. Koch and David H. Koch — who are worth a combined $96.2 billion and wield enormous power in political circles as major backers of right-wing politicians — took a significant stake valued at tens of millions of dollars in RatPac-Dune Entertainment. Now-Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin brought the brothers in as investors as part of a $450 million deal struck in 2013 — a move that was never disclosed because RatPac-Dune is a private company.

Though Mnuchin is no longer involved with the slate financing facility, having recently put his stake into a blind trust in order to avoid a conflict of interest, the Koch brothers continue to be stakeholders in such films as Wonder Woman, Dunkirk and Steven Spielberg’s upcoming Ready Player One.

A RatPac spokesperson didn’t respond to a request. A spokesperson for Koch Industries says, “Charles Koch, David Koch and Koch Industries do not have any involvement with this investment.”

The brothers aren’t the only unlikely billionaires who have sunk money into the Warner Bros. deal. Sources say Mnuchin also brought in Bill Gates for an amount similar to the Koch brothers’.

…more at link.

And when following the above story from a link I also saw this…

Anthony Scaramucci Set for ‘Late Show’ Appearance

Host Stephen Colbert pulled no punches when mocking the former White House communications director in recent weeks.

The Mooch is making a return.

Late Show host Stephen Colbert shared the news on Twitter Wednesday afternoon that recently resigned White House communications director Anthony Scaramucci would be a guest on next Monday’s episode.

“On Monday 8/14 Anthony Scaramucci will be my guest on @colbertlateshow. This is just a heads up for our censors to get ready! #themooch,” Colbert tweeted, alluding to Scaramucci’s infamous, expletive-laden leaked conversation with New Yorker correspondent Ryan Lizza which Colbert poked a lot of fun at on his show.

…more at link.

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ObserverArt  Aug 9, 2017 • 4:08:15pm

re: #254 bratwurst

!!!!!!!!!

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You posted that as I was working on my post. Heh.

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EPR-radar  Aug 9, 2017 • 4:17:53pm

re: #257 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

If and when rational government is restored, the right wing should be held to account for electing Trump and for then faithfully supporting him. Whatever punishment is legal and constitutional should be meted out. They should never be allowed to live it down.
This country was too easy on the right wing’s predecessors after the Civil War and we have been paying for that misguided laxity ever since. We can’t make the same mistake again.

This is really difficult. Realistically this is a cult deprogramming exercise involving tens of millions of people who are very happy with their cult and will resist the necessary deprogramming with all their might. Even the first baby steps like ending Fox News and hate radio couldn’t be done under current first amendment law.

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EPR-radar  Aug 9, 2017 • 4:18:49pm

re: #259 Blind Frog Belly White

Reconstruction II: The Reckoning

Reconstruction II: This time we’ll actually do it.

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sagehen  Aug 9, 2017 • 4:20:24pm

re: #223 KGxvi

It all goes back to this:

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It obviously goes back further than that; Obama roasted Donald because of the birther shit, which had been going on for a year already.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 9, 2017 • 4:28:21pm

re: #263 EPR-radar

Reconstruction II: This time we’ll actually do it.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 9, 2017 • 4:32:25pm

re: #262 EPR-radar

This is really difficult. Realistically this is a cult deprogramming exercise involving tens of millions of people who are very happy with their cult and will resist the necessary deprogramming with all their might. Even the first baby steps like ending Fox News and hate radio couldn’t be done under current first amendment law.

It’s very possible that the Constitution was a suicide pact after all.

en.wikipedia.org

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piratedan  Aug 9, 2017 • 4:36:57pm

re: #218 Big Beautiful Door

the book was pretty good

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 9, 2017 • 4:49:24pm

re: #262 EPR-radar

This is really difficult. Realistically this is a cult deprogramming exercise involving tens of millions of people who are very happy with their cult and will resist the necessary deprogramming with all their might. Even the first baby steps like ending Fox News and hate radio couldn’t be done under current first amendment law.

One possibility: With the right wing sufficiently discredited by events, it might be possible to finally enforce the law and deny tax exempt status to politically active churches.

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Bubblehead II  Aug 9, 2017 • 4:54:35pm

Night Lizards.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 9, 2017 • 5:38:37pm

re: #45 dangerman

“It” was the hand in the box

the munsters had a dragon named “spot” lived under the stairs

upding for the much forgotten Spot under the stairs.

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William Lewis  Aug 9, 2017 • 6:03:12pm

re: #234 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

The condemned man did NOT eat a hearty meal.

The White House chef should start serving that for every lunch…


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