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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 9, 2017 • 4:05:22pm

This man scares the hell out of me on a daily basis.

I’m not sure he’s human.

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Ace-o-aces  Aug 9, 2017 • 4:06:28pm
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Amory Blaine  Aug 9, 2017 • 4:07:54pm

When even NK…
North Korea Rips Trump’s ‘Fire and Fury’ Rant As a ‘Load of Nonsense,’ Threatens ‘Absolute Force’

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KGxvi  Aug 9, 2017 • 4:08:16pm

re: #2 Ace-o-aces

They’ll likely be guarded by a protective order and confidentiality, so even if they get submitted in court documents, it’ll be under seal.

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MsJ  Aug 9, 2017 • 4:08:44pm

re: #2 Ace-o-aces

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dangerman  Aug 9, 2017 • 4:11:03pm

trump wont give up his Twitter to Kelly

hes a 12 year old girl with instagram

weak

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ObserverArt  Aug 9, 2017 • 4:12:59pm

Well, I ended up CLing the last thread because it took me some time to make a post and this new thread popped up. So Imma put it here now.

(Thinking of you CL…I had a photoshop question today I knew you would have been able to answer…)

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This crazy world of money to be made and politics.

It’s all a game, isn’t it?

A game where those with the big bucks can do and say anything and those with few bucks get to pay the price for it all.

Hollywood Reporter - Conservative Koch Brothers Are Secret Investors in ‘Wonder Woman’ (Exclusive)

Steven Mnuchin brought in the right-wing power brokers, as well as Bill Gates, to help fund such Hollywood projects as ‘Dunkirk’ and Steven Spielberg’s upcoming ‘Ready Player One.’

Though they might be the most reviled figures among Hollywood’s liberal crowd, the Koch brothers have been a silent investor in Warner Bros.’ slate of movies for four years.

Sources say Charles G. Koch and David H. Koch — who are worth a combined $96.2 billion and wield enormous power in political circles as major backers of right-wing politicians — took a significant stake valued at tens of millions of dollars in RatPac-Dune Entertainment. Now-Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin brought the brothers in as investors as part of a $450 million deal struck in 2013 — a move that was never disclosed because RatPac-Dune is a private company.

Though Mnuchin is no longer involved with the slate financing facility, having recently put his stake into a blind trust in order to avoid a conflict of interest, the Koch brothers continue to be stakeholders in such films as Wonder Woman, Dunkirk and Steven Spielberg’s upcoming Ready Player One.

A RatPac spokesperson didn’t respond to a request. A spokesperson for Koch Industries says, “Charles Koch, David Koch and Koch Industries do not have any involvement with this investment.”

The brothers aren’t the only unlikely billionaires who have sunk money into the Warner Bros. deal. Sources say Mnuchin also brought in Bill Gates for an amount similar to the Koch brothers’.

…more at link.

And when following the above story from a link I also saw this…

Anthony Scaramucci Set for ‘Late Show’ Appearance

Host Stephen Colbert pulled no punches when mocking the former White House communications director in recent weeks.

The Mooch is making a return.

Late Show host Stephen Colbert shared the news on Twitter Wednesday afternoon that recently resigned White House communications director Anthony Scaramucci would be a guest on next Monday’s episode.

“On Monday 8/14 Anthony Scaramucci will be my guest on @colbertlateshow. This is just a heads up for our censors to get ready! #themooch,” Colbert tweeted, alluding to Scaramucci’s infamous, expletive-laden leaked conversation with New Yorker correspondent Ryan Lizza which Colbert poked a lot of fun at on his show.

…more at link.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 9, 2017 • 4:14:58pm

Sigh. Here we go again.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 9, 2017 • 4:15:48pm

How bad have things have gotten when a ruthless Dictator is looking at the American President and saying “damn, that dude’s crazy!” ??

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dangerman  Aug 9, 2017 • 4:18:05pm

re: #9 Eclectic Cyborg

How bad have things have gotten when a [crazy] ruthless Dictator is looking at the American President and saying “damn, that dude’s crazy!” ??

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Weaselone  Aug 9, 2017 • 4:20:16pm

re: #7 ObserverArt

I’m not sure what your point is here. It’s not exactly surprising that the Koch Brothers have a diverse portfolio of legitimate money making investments in addition to the network of think tanks, conservative hacks and bought-and-paid for politicians they sink their money into.

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ObserverArt  Aug 9, 2017 • 4:20:19pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

Sigh. Here we go again.

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Is it any wonder why this country has big problems with its political leaders?

Reality and facts are not real facts. And, too many seem to know the wrong stuff and refuse to learn the correct.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 9, 2017 • 4:20:52pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

Sigh. Here we go again.

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These people are apparently ignorant of how nuclear weapons work. In particular, they seem to be unaware that warning time is measured in minutes. The system was set up this way because there would be no time to seek congressional approval without the risk that our own forces will be destroyed in a preemptive strike.

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EPR-radar  Aug 9, 2017 • 4:22:37pm

re: #13 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

These people are apparently ignorant of how nuclear weapons work. In particular, they seem to be unaware that warning time is measured in minutes. The system was set up this way because there would be no time to seek congressional approval without the risk that our own forces will be destroyed in a preemptive strike.

The only thing that Congress could get done in minutes with no advance warning would be an extension of copyright term. People that think Congress is in the loop on nuclear strike decisions are seriously misinformed. At this point, such ignorance has to be regarded as willful.

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Jack Burton  Aug 9, 2017 • 4:22:45pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

What part of “60 days without AUMF or Declaration of War” do these idiots not understand?

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Kragar  Aug 9, 2017 • 4:22:51pm
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Scout  Aug 9, 2017 • 4:24:04pm

People — pundits and internet commenters — keep referring to Kim Jong Un as “crazy.”

I’ve not seen any evidence that he is. Maybe he is, for all I know, but I have seen nothing confirming it.

His father had some problems upstairs, it seems, but I’d appreciate any proof this guy does.

He’s a dictator, and I’ve no doubt he can be cruel and vindictive. But “crazy”?

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Charles Johnson  Aug 9, 2017 • 4:24:21pm

As usual, she’s refusing to admit she’s wrong. This is so whacked out. All day these people have been coming at me on Twitter.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 9, 2017 • 4:24:50pm

re: #13 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

These people are apparently ignorant of how nuclear weapons work. In particular, they seem to be unaware that warning time is measured in minutes. The system was set up this way because there would be no time to seek congressional approval without the risk that our own forces will be destroyed in a preemptive strike.

People too often think in terms of laws and regulations to limit the power of the President, not understanding that mostly, those don’t exist because until last November, everyone we elected took the job seriously.

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freetoken  Aug 9, 2017 • 4:25:34pm

re: #17 Scout

Agree. It’s just too lazy to call him “crazy”. In reality, the current NK leader is a cult figure at the head of a military dictatorship. Cult leaders are not necessarily “crazy”. They are often ruthless, often deceptive. But those are normal human traits.

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ObserverArt  Aug 9, 2017 • 4:25:37pm

re: #11 Weaselone

I’m not sure what your point is here. It’s not exactly surprising that the Koch Brothers have a diverse portfolio of legitimate money making investments in addition to the network of think tanks, conservative hacks and bought-and-paid for politicians they sink their money into.

Hollywood. Conservatives fucking hate Hollywood.

But they love to make money.

That is the point, along with some general info.

Now, with The Mooch. He was going dark. Now he is going to be on TV with a guy that outright mocked him. He was a mouthpiece for Trump and now he sits and interviews with a guy that tears Trump up nightly.

Not a little gamey with you?

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MsJ  Aug 9, 2017 • 4:27:22pm
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EPR-radar  Aug 9, 2017 • 4:27:44pm

re: #18 Charles Johnson

Does this idiot not realize that we haven’t had a declaration of war from Congress since WWII? Ever since then it’s been more or less vague authorizations of military force from Congress, and plenty of military actions that were taken with no prior authorizations from Congress.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 9, 2017 • 4:27:44pm

re: #17 Scout

People — pundits and internet commenters — keep referring to Kim Jong Un as “crazy.”

I’ve not seen any evidence that he is. Maybe he is, for all I know, but I have seen nothing confirming it.

His father had some problems upstairs, it seems, but I’d appreciate any proof this guy is.

He’s a dictator, and I’ve no doubt he can be cruel and vindictive. But “crazy”?

Indeed. I read something today that said most Korea-watchers don’t consider Kim Jong Un to be insane, or suicidal, or unhinged. They don’t worry about HIM starting a nuclear war.

Trump, OTOH…..

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dangerman  Aug 9, 2017 • 4:29:39pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

Sigh. Here we go again.

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youre talking with people who want to stage a “coo”

they are playing silly word games.
its meaningless rhetorical twaddle

wont change their minds. wont change reality

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ObserverArt  Aug 9, 2017 • 4:29:48pm

re: #17 Scout

People — pundits and internet commenters — keep referring to Kim Jong Un as “crazy.”

I’ve not seen any evidence that he is. Maybe he is, for all I know, but I have seen nothing confirming it.

His father had some problems upstairs, it seems, but I’d appreciate any proof this guy is.

He’s a dictator, and I’ve no doubt he can be cruel and vindictive. But “crazy”?

I think people see dictators as crazy in general. Add in his visage and you get crazy, right or wrong. He may be brilliant, but wouldn’t brilliance bring someone to a reasonable place to help his people? That is also a form of crazy, not necessarily mentally based. It’s a loose word.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 9, 2017 • 4:31:12pm
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EPR-radar  Aug 9, 2017 • 4:32:55pm

re: #24 Blind Frog Belly White

Indeed. I read something today that said most Korea-watchers don’t consider Kim Jong Un to be insane, or suicidal, or unhinged. They don’t worry about HIM starting a nuclear war.

Trump, OTOH…..

We are on the brink of nuclear war for precisely one reason: tr*mp tweeted a threat to North Korea that they would be nuked if they made any further threats. Since then North Korea has made several threats (it’s what they do) and undoubtedly they will continue to do so.

tr*mp will give the launch order when he can no longer bear looking totally impotent because of North Korea’s continued defiance of his tweet.

The remaining questions are when exactly this will happen, and whether or not it will be blocked somewhere in the chain of command.

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Weaselone  Aug 9, 2017 • 4:33:52pm

re: #21 ObserverArt

Hollywood. Conservatives fucking hate Hollywood.

But they love to make money.

That is the point, along with some general info.

Now, with The Mooch. He was going dark. Now he is going to be on TV with a guy that outright mocked him. He was a mouthpiece for Trump and now he sits and interviews with a guy that tears Trump up nightly.

Not a little gamey with you?

Conservatives hate Hollywood. They love watching the movies and entertainment Hollywood churns out.

Mooch is a freaking camera/publicity hound.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 9, 2017 • 4:34:52pm

re: #26 ObserverArt

I think people see dictators as crazy in general. Add in his visage and you get crazy, right or wrong. He may be brilliant, but wouldn’t brilliance bring someone to a reasonable place to help his people? That is also a form of crazy, not necessarily mentally based. It’s a loose word.

What’s crazy? “I was born into all this power and wealth. I want to KEEP all this power and wealth. Anyone who tries to take all this power and wealth from me is my enemy, and I can use the power and the wealth to prevent them doing so, and keeping the power and wealth is more important to me than their lives.”

It seems logical to me. I mean, sure he does some odd stuff, but give anyone enough power and wealth to do whatever they want, and you’ll be amazed what people will think of to want.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 9, 2017 • 4:34:59pm
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ObserverArt  Aug 9, 2017 • 4:35:32pm

re: #29 Weaselone

Conservatives hate Hollywood. They love watching the movies and entertainment Hollywood churns out.

Mooch is a freaking camera/publicity hound.

Exactly. And why I asked if it is all a game. It is.

I know it, you know it. Too many people never think about it.

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austin_blue  Aug 9, 2017 • 4:35:34pm

re: #18 Charles Johnson

As usual, she’s refusing to admit she’s wrong. This is so whacked out. All day these people have been coming at me on Twitter.

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Boy, that woman is as dumb as a box of hammers!

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MsJ  Aug 9, 2017 • 4:35:47pm

re: #29 Weaselone

Conservatives hate Hollywood. They love watching the movies and entertainment Hollywood churns out.

Mooch is a freaking camera/publicity hound.

If you looked at everyone he follows on twitter, it was 90% producers and on air talent.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 9, 2017 • 4:36:18pm
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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 9, 2017 • 4:36:58pm

re: #33 austin_blue

Boy, that woman is as dumb as a box of hammers!

I’m wondering if she is a Russian troll.

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MsJ  Aug 9, 2017 • 4:38:29pm

re: #36 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

I’m wondering if she is a Russian troll.

I think too many people WANT to believe there are safeguards in place. They NEED to believe. Which I get. It’s still wrong.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 9, 2017 • 4:38:36pm

I’m not sure why the Kremlin would want us to believe Trump can’t launch a nuclear attack on his own though. Perhaps to keep him from seeming so dangerous?

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Charles Johnson  Aug 9, 2017 • 4:39:16pm
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Jack Burton  Aug 9, 2017 • 4:39:21pm

re: #28 EPR-radar

This should be the point where Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell go to the White House and demand his resignation “or else” like Goldwater, Scott, and Rhodes did.

I thought they wanted to loot the country, not incinerate it.

Since they aren’t in the Oval Office right now, maybe they do want this?

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EPR-radar  Aug 9, 2017 • 4:40:41pm

re: #38 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

I’m not sure why the Kremlin would want us to believe Trump can’t launch a nuclear attack on his own though. Perhaps to keep him from seeming so dangerous?

Most likely. If tr*mp starts a nuclear war for some stupid reason, it can’t possibly help the US vs. Russia.

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KGxvi  Aug 9, 2017 • 4:41:02pm

re: #30 Blind Frog Belly White

What’s crazy? “I was born into all this power and wealth. I want to KEEP all this power and wealth. Anyone who tries to take all this power and wealth from me is my enemy, and I can use the power and the wealth to prevent them doing so, and keeping the power and wealth is more important to me than their lives.”

It seems logical to me. I mean, sure he does some odd stuff, but give anyone enough power and wealth to do whatever they want, and you’ll be amazed what people will think of to want.

Hell, “This is mine, I am going to keep this, and I will fight anyone who tries to take it from me” is pretty much universal. Don’t even need power and wealth to experience that. Power and wealth just gives you new and creative ways to fight and keep.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 9, 2017 • 4:42:26pm

re: #37 MsJ

I think too many people WANT to believe there are safeguards in place. They NEED to believe. Which I get. It’s still wrong.

For the first time in 100 years, a majority of our population no longer realizes that they might realistically not make it to 50.

I blame antibiotics and the fall of the Soviets.

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KGxvi  Aug 9, 2017 • 4:43:03pm

re: #40 Jack Burton

This should be the point where Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell go to the White House and demand his resignation “or else” like Goldwater, Scott, and Rhodes did.

I thought they wanted to loot the country, not incinerate it.

Since they aren’t in the Oval Office right now, maybe they do want this?

Why would they go to the Oval Office when Trump is in New Jersey?

I don’t see Trump resigning, not unless the votes are really there to remove him… and he is promised a pardon and/or reprieve.

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MsJ  Aug 9, 2017 • 4:45:33pm

re: #44 KGxvi

Why would they go to the Oval Office when Trump is in New Jersey?

I don’t see Trump resigning, not unless the votes are really there to remove him… and he is promised a pardon and/or reprieve.

I can only hope the pardon bullshit end fast. There needs to be consequences for this shit.

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Jack Burton  Aug 9, 2017 • 4:45:46pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

Jesus Fucking Christ she is dense. The SIOP had nothing to do with the decision or limits on how to start one, it was the plan for what to do once that decision was made.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 9, 2017 • 4:47:38pm
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Jack Burton  Aug 9, 2017 • 4:48:22pm

re: #37 MsJ

I think too many people WANT to believe there are safeguards in place. They NEED to believe. Which I get. It’s still wrong.

You wouldn’t believe how many kids my age in the mid 80s thought that SDI was actually a thing, and that it was already up there.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 9, 2017 • 4:49:29pm

re: #47 Charles Johnson

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Decatur Deb  Aug 9, 2017 • 4:50:02pm

re: #47 Charles Johnson

In the center of that tree-lined courtyard is a little snack bar (good crabs on Wednesday). It’s called “Ground Zero”, because that’s what it is.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 9, 2017 • 4:50:12pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

Sigh. Here we go again.

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Here’s another article I don’t know if you’ve seen:

Here’s what Cheney told Fox News: “The president of the United State is now, for 50 years, is followed at all times, 24 hours a day, by a military aide carrying a ‘football’ that contains the nuclear codes that he would use and be authorized to use in the event of a nuclear attack on the United States. He could launch a kind of devastating attack the world’s never seen. He doesn’t have to check with anybody. He doesn’t have to call the Congress. He doesn’t have to check with the courts. He has that authority because of the nature of the world we live in.”

There was a fascinating debate among constitutional law specialists on the Volokh Conspiracy blog following the Cheney statement, and, alas, from my reading of the cases cited, there was no definitive judicial limit to his power as commander in chief to avow he had no time to consult Congress for a declaration of war. No one could come up with a definitive constitutional refutation of this. If a president said he had intelligence of an imminent nuclear attack there was no provision requiring him to prove it to anyone else. Congress couldn’t defund a missile once in flight. (Well, it could, but lawmakers would have better things to do at that point—i.e., run for the hills.)

In other words, what Richard Nixon said still holds true: Any president could, on his own, leave a room, and in 25 minutes, 70 million (or more than that) would be dead. Not likely but in the new, more unstable, multi-polar nuclear age we’ve entered, Maj. Hering’s question about the instability or sanity of the president himself remains valid, as does the larger sanity question: Can any order to kill 20 million with the twist of a wrist be sane?

slate.com

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jaunte  Aug 9, 2017 • 4:51:46pm

Grabbing some aerial shots of the Trump Chicken.

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 9, 2017 • 4:52:01pm

As a teenager all I wanted in the summer was to get jacked up on elephant ears, lemon squeezers, and find a hot honey to…hopefully give me my first kiss without vomiting in my mouth after getting off the teacup ride. But that was the county fair. I should have gone to the state fair.

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KGxvi  Aug 9, 2017 • 4:55:05pm

re: #53 Barefoot Grin

There used to be a ride at Disneyland called the People Mover, we locals (since the time of my parents) called it the People Maker. It looked like this, but also went inside buildings:

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Bubblehead II  Aug 9, 2017 • 4:55:21pm

Night Lizards.

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EPR-radar  Aug 9, 2017 • 4:56:52pm

re: #37 MsJ

I think too many people WANT to believe there are safeguards in place. They NEED to believe. Which I get. It’s still wrong.

Exactly. tr*mp has damn near unfettered authority to use the US nuclear arsenal as his toys. This should scare just about anyone into shitting high-velocity peach pits.

Until tr*mp is removed from office, the only meaningful constraint on his power to use the nukes at will is the remote chance of effective disobedience somewhere in the chain of command.

This suggests a certain urgency in getting the Orange Menace out of office, but Congressional Republicans think tax cuts and appeasing their stupid and malevolent base is more important than preserving civilization.

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Jack Burton  Aug 9, 2017 • 5:01:10pm

From that article:

So is there any check on the President’s power to use nuclear weapons? Well, technically the US election process is meant to be that check — don’t elect people you don’t trust with the unilateral authority to use nuclear weapons. And this, indeed, has been a theme in numerous US elections, including the most recent one.

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 9, 2017 • 5:02:16pm

re: #54 KGxvi

There used to be a ride at Disneyland called the People Mover, we locals (since the time of my parents) called it the People Maker. It looked like this, but also went inside buildings:

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Tunnel of love?

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 9, 2017 • 5:02:51pm

re: #57 Jack Burton

From that article:

Oh. Can we get a mulligan?

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Decatur Deb  Aug 9, 2017 • 5:03:48pm

re: #59 Barefoot Grin

Oh. Can we get a mulligan?

With any luck we get one more chance in 14 months.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 9, 2017 • 5:04:54pm

re: #49 Blind Frog Belly White

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Treaty on Open Skies.

Incidentally, there are US observers aboard the Russian plane when it overflies the United States.
This is the US Open Skies aircraft:
Boeing OC-135B Open SkiesThe main cameras still use wet film because that is specified in the treaty.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 9, 2017 • 5:05:52pm
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Barefoot Grin  Aug 9, 2017 • 5:10:53pm

Roddy Doyle on Glen Campbell in one of his barroom dialogues:

-See Glen Campbell died.
-I was readin’ a list of his songs this mornin’. Jesus.
-He was big in our house when I was a kid.
-Same here.
-Me father hated music - any o’ the records me an’ me brothers brought home.
-Same here, yeah.
-It was his job, like. I can see tha’ now. A big part o’ bein’ a da.
-Pain in the arse back then, but.
-Every record we tried to play. ‘Turn down tha’ bloody noise!’ Before we’d have the thing out of its fuckin’ sleeve. It was fuckin’ terrible. But then - one Saturday. One of us brings home Witchita Lineman.
-What a song.
-Well, there yeh go. We put it on, and I look at me da, expectin’ the roar. But his face - .
-Transfixed.
-Fuckin’ spellbound. He loved it. And then last nigh’ - when we found ou’ Glen Campbell was dead. We’ve one o’ the grandkids stayin’ with us - for a few nights, just. A lovely kid - she’s 16. Anyway, she says, ‘Who’s Glen Campbell?’ An’ the wife tells her to look up Witchita Lineman on YouTube.
-An’ she was spellbound.
-She was, yeah. Exactly like me da.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 9, 2017 • 5:16:19pm

re: #53 Barefoot Grin

Boy. This sure gives a whole new meaning to “funnel cake”.

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TedStriker  Aug 9, 2017 • 5:23:09pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

Sigh. Here we go again.

People just need to Google or Wiki ‘National Command Authority’ and the ‘two-man rule’, as it applies to the President’s authorization of a nuclear weapons release…then proceed to shit their pants at President Trump being that authority.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 9, 2017 • 5:27:18pm

And here’s another one, with a gratuitous insult.

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Belafon  Aug 9, 2017 • 5:28:16pm

re: #65 TedStriker

From your second link:

Notably, Major Harold Hering was discharged from the Air Force for asking the question, “How can I know that an order I receive to launch my missiles came from a sane President?”[3]

The two-man rule only applies in the missile silos and submarines; there is no check on the president’s sole authority to order a nuclear launch.[4]

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Charles Johnson  Aug 9, 2017 • 5:28:23pm

One after another. It would be easier to take if they weren’t so fucking smug and insulting while being TOTALLY WRONG.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 9, 2017 • 5:29:01pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 9, 2017 • 5:29:52pm

re: #66 Charles Johnson

And here’s another one, with a gratuitous insult.

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Gratuitous spelling error too.

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William Lewis  Aug 9, 2017 • 5:30:35pm

re: #53 Barefoot Grin

As a teenager all I wanted in the summer was to get jacked up on elephant ears, lemon squeezers, and find a hot honey to…hopefully give me my first kiss without vomiting in my mouth after getting off the teacup ride. But that was the county fair. I should have gone to the state fair.

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A wee bit more blatant than the book/movie “State Fair”, eh?

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lawhawk  Aug 9, 2017 • 5:31:45pm

re: #47 Charles Johnson

Open Skies provision under the START treaty. Not anything to freak out about, but definitely something Trump will take as an affront because he’ll think that this is giving up something.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 9, 2017 • 5:32:40pm
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lawhawk  Aug 9, 2017 • 5:34:46pm

re: #73 Stanley Sea

The incompetence, ignorance, and dumbassery are piling up and the GOP are running out of excuses why they can’t move their own agenda despite being in total control.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 9, 2017 • 5:34:52pm
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Charles Johnson  Aug 9, 2017 • 5:35:17pm

re: #72 lawhawk

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nines09  Aug 9, 2017 • 5:35:19pm
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ObserverArt  Aug 9, 2017 • 5:35:23pm

re: #48 Jack Burton

You wouldn’t believe how many kids my age in the mid 80s thought that SDI was actually a thing, and that it was already up there.

We sure spent money like it was up there.

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TedStriker  Aug 9, 2017 • 5:35:59pm

re: #67 Belafon

From your second link:

As I said, “as it applies to the President’s authorization of a nuclear weapons release”.

The President’s second man is the Secretary of Defense…and all the SecDef is legally empowered to do is to authenticate that the order is valid and lawful to the units down the chain, but he can’t veto the decision itself. If the SecDef refuses to authorize release, the President can fire them and appoint an acting SecDef that will authenticate.

It’d be a ‘Saturday Night Massacre’ to end them all…and Trump would be Greg Stillson, for real.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 9, 2017 • 5:36:03pm

re: #73 Stanley Sea

Good lord this administration burns through employees so fast they make a call center seem like good job security.

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Interesting Times  Aug 9, 2017 • 5:36:58pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 9, 2017 • 5:38:01pm

re: #81 Interesting Times

Doesn’t the Bible say we are supposed to leave the judgment and smiting to the Lord himself?

/

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lawhawk  Aug 9, 2017 • 5:38:41pm

re: #76 Charles Johnson

And knowing what we do of Trump and his idiotic advisers, expect to hear a rant about this tomorrow AM with the Fox and Friends review of the day’s events.

Watch him rail about the Open Skies rules, even though it’s an outgrowth of the Trust but Verify from the Reagan years (and SALT treaty).

Russia’s playing Trump - knowing he’s a reactionary fool who refuses to accept any new information, so they’re going to rile him up and further destabilize the US government at the highest levels. Trump is playing into Russia’s hands every single fucking day.

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dangerman  Aug 9, 2017 • 5:39:26pm

re: #19 Blind Frog Belly White

People too often think in terms of laws and regulations to limit the power of the President, not understanding that mostly, those don’t exist because until last November, everyone we elected took the job seriously.

and congress was on the job checking and balancing

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lawhawk  Aug 9, 2017 • 5:39:44pm

re: #77 nines09

Brilliant!

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 9, 2017 • 5:40:58pm
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FormerDirtDart  Aug 9, 2017 • 5:41:40pm
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lawhawk  Aug 9, 2017 • 5:44:27pm

Layers of derp:

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nines09  Aug 9, 2017 • 5:44:34pm

re: #85 lawhawk

Yes it is….

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Charles Johnson  Aug 9, 2017 • 5:45:00pm
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teleskiguy  Aug 9, 2017 • 5:51:07pm
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FormerDirtDart  Aug 9, 2017 • 5:55:53pm
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Charles Johnson  Aug 9, 2017 • 5:56:15pm
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fern01  Aug 9, 2017 • 5:56:45pm

re: #33 austin_blue

Boy, that woman is as dumb as a box of hammers!

She’ll find out the truth when the bomb explodes

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Interesting Times  Aug 9, 2017 • 5:57:17pm
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teleskiguy  Aug 9, 2017 • 5:57:42pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  Aug 9, 2017 • 5:59:16pm

re: #93 Charles Johnson

That is an advanced-level own goal right there.

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ObserverArt  Aug 9, 2017 • 6:00:28pm

re: #96 teleskiguy

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Be a good boy now…

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lawhawk  Aug 9, 2017 • 6:03:33pm

re: #92 FormerDirtDart

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ObserverArt  Aug 9, 2017 • 6:03:57pm

Rachel Maddow just opened her show saying she has a strange story about U.S. diplomats in another country coming into contact with devices that makes people deaf.

She’ll probably cover it later in the show.

Now what?

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Charles Johnson  Aug 9, 2017 • 6:04:23pm
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ObserverArt  Aug 9, 2017 • 6:07:58pm

What’s the big deal??? Scaramucci was blowing Trump. He earned it.

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lawhawk  Aug 9, 2017 • 6:08:33pm

re: #102 ObserverArt

Not that there’s anything wrong with that…

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MsJ  Aug 9, 2017 • 6:09:28pm

re: #101 Charles Johnson

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 9, 2017 • 6:11:24pm

re: #102 ObserverArt

What’s the big deal??? Scaramucci was blowing Trump. He earned it.

Only one mouth is deserving, said Stephen Miller.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 9, 2017 • 6:12:12pm
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goddamnedfrank  Aug 9, 2017 • 6:13:38pm
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freetoken  Aug 9, 2017 • 6:15:24pm

re: #106 Charles Johnson

I’m finding 2017 to be more like one of the paintings in Serling’s Night Gallery.

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freetoken  Aug 9, 2017 • 6:17:57pm

Find the right image for any tweet:

nightgallery.net

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freetoken  Aug 9, 2017 • 6:19:19pm

This would be quite fitting for the nuke war tweet:

Image: 27aWithApologiesMrHyde.jpg

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electrotek  Aug 9, 2017 • 6:19:38pm

Okay I’m a dedicated supporter of ACLU and all it represents, but even I have question their decision to defend this pipsqueak:

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 9, 2017 • 6:20:31pm
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Amory Blaine  Aug 9, 2017 • 6:22:34pm

re: #93 Charles Johnson

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 9, 2017 • 6:23:05pm

Is somebody working on a new story?

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ObserverArt  Aug 9, 2017 • 6:24:48pm

re: #106 Charles Johnson

2017 is surreal, but not Salvador Dali surreal or Peter Max surreal - more like Hieronymus Bosch “Garden of Delights” surreal.

As far as paintings…I sometimes feel things are like this these days.

Giorgio de Chirico - Melancholy and Mystery of a Street, 1914
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LastYearsMan  Aug 9, 2017 • 6:27:08pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

That is one of the most American conversations I’ve read in a long time. “I don’t need information, I know I’m right.”

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Kragar  Aug 9, 2017 • 6:27:30pm

Trump just retweeted this dreck

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Timothy Watson  Aug 9, 2017 • 6:27:48pm

re: #111 electrotek

Okay I’m a dedicated supporter of ACLU and all it represents, but even I have question their decision to defend this pipsqueak:

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They’re also defending the neo-Nazis who want to march in Charlottesville.

Ugh, don’t you guys have to wash your hair or something and let someone else worry about it?

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Aug 9, 2017 • 6:28:58pm

re: #68 Charles Johnson

One after another. It would be easier to take if they weren’t so fucking smug and insulting while being TOTALLY WRONG.

“Keep telling yourself that, if it makes you feel better. But it won’t make it true.” (And half the tweet is still available….)

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electrotek  Aug 9, 2017 • 6:29:06pm

re: #118 Timothy Watson

They’re also defending the neo-Nazis who want to march in Charlottesville.

Ugh, don’t you guys have to wash your hair or something and let someone else worry about it?

I don’t understand why they feel the need to defend right wing shitheads who will never accept them, no matter what.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 9, 2017 • 6:30:20pm
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Barefoot Grin  Aug 9, 2017 • 6:33:00pm

re: #117 Kragar

Trump just retweeted this dreck

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Well, to be fair, Mr. Walrus isn’t bald-faced.

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William Lewis  Aug 9, 2017 • 6:33:35pm

Someone on twitter should remind the ACLU of this in regards to Yiannopoulos:

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ObserverArt  Aug 9, 2017 • 6:34:06pm

re: #120 electrotek

I don’t understand why they feel the need to defend right wing shitheads who will never accept them, no matter what.

They defend concepts…the shitheads come with it.

I don’t always like what they do either in certain cases. But I do understand they have to defend everyone if they are truly doing their work.

I learned my lesson in the debates over The Skokie Illinois Nazi Demonstration case back in 1977.

For those unfamiliar here is the Wiki page: National Socialist Party of America v. Village of Skokie

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NoSoapForYou  Aug 9, 2017 • 6:35:57pm

You know “Fire and Fury,” might be the name of Robert Jeffress crazy religious WH prayer circle theme for this week.

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Kragar  Aug 9, 2017 • 6:36:05pm
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teleskiguy  Aug 9, 2017 • 6:37:49pm

re: #124 ObserverArt

The Skokie Illinois Nazi Demonstration

Obligatory.

Nazis Take a Dive - The Blues Brothers (3/9) Movie CLIP (1980) HD

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Charles Johnson  Aug 9, 2017 • 6:41:39pm
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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 9, 2017 • 6:42:49pm

re: #127 teleskiguy

Obligatory.

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Video

There’s no bridge in Lubbock long enough to hold all the local Republicans. Just saying.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 9, 2017 • 6:42:51pm

Rep. Duncan Hunter (CA-50)

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LastYearsMan  Aug 9, 2017 • 6:43:30pm

After a day to think about “fire and fury”, I increasingly think Trump just misspoke. He probably meant “burning and itching”, most likely from a herpes outbreak.

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electrotek  Aug 9, 2017 • 6:44:16pm

And most importantly, Milo isn’t even a US citizen for Christ’s sake. Since when is he entitled to 1st Amendment rights?

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NoSoapForYou  Aug 9, 2017 • 6:45:29pm

“Ask your doctor if Zovirax is right for you.”

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William Lewis  Aug 9, 2017 • 6:46:53pm

re: #132 electrotek

And most importantly, Milo isn’t even a US citizen for Christ’s sake. Since when is he entitled to 1st Amendment rights?

From the moment he entered the US till the moment he leaves. The constitution protects everyone in the US. That said, as I noted above, I do not think this is a constitutional issue, merely an asshole getting what he has earned.

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LastYearsMan  Aug 9, 2017 • 6:47:27pm

re: #133 NoSoapForYou

The NKs make plenty of crystal meth. Maybe they can do generic cold sore medication too.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 9, 2017 • 6:47:33pm
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Amory Blaine  Aug 9, 2017 • 6:47:45pm

All people in in the US have constitutional rights.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 9, 2017 • 6:48:38pm

Probably correct

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electrotek  Aug 9, 2017 • 6:48:43pm

re: #134 William Lewis

From the moment he entered the US till the moment he leaves. The constitution protects everyone in the US. That said, as I noted above, I do not think this is a constitutional issue, merely an asshole getting what he has earned.

Well, you have a point there.

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teleskiguy  Aug 9, 2017 • 6:49:28pm

re: #132 electrotek

And most importantly, Milo isn’t even a US citizen for Christ’s sake. Since when is he entitled to 1st Amendment rights?

14th Amendment guarantees his 1st Amendment rights as he is “any person within its jurisdiction” and is subject to “the equal protection of the laws.”

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electrotek  Aug 9, 2017 • 6:50:32pm

re: #140 teleskiguy

14th Amendment guarantees his 1st Amendment rights as he is “any person within its jurisdiction” and is subject to “the equal protection of the laws.”

Appreciate the clarification. I honestly always understood it to apply only to US citizens, but now I know better.

Cheers guys.

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Jack Burton  Aug 9, 2017 • 6:51:31pm

re: #130 FormerDirtDart

Rep. Duncan Hunter (CA-50)

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My current congressman. Maybe I’ll have someone worth a damn to vote for next fall.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 9, 2017 • 6:52:34pm

re: #142 Jack Burton

My current congressman. Maybe I’ll have someone worth a damn to vote for next fall.

A rabbit and video games are going to take him down.

(Hope)

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electrotek  Aug 9, 2017 • 6:55:35pm

I’m still mad I got banned from Facebook for 30 days, IN THE WORST POSSIBLE MONTH EVER

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VegasGolfer  Aug 9, 2017 • 6:55:50pm

re: #90 Charles Johnson

I’m sure they planned it long ago and didn’t know trump would be on vacation.

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scottslemmons  Aug 9, 2017 • 6:56:30pm

Has the government penalized Milo for speaking? Has it prevented him from speaking?

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electrotek  Aug 9, 2017 • 6:57:01pm

re: #146 scottslemmons

Has the government penalized Milo for speaking? Has it prevented him from speaking?

Only under the Obama admin, in wingnut world

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 9, 2017 • 6:57:55pm

re: #135 LastYearsMan

The NKs make plenty of crystal meth. Maybe they can do generic cold sore medication too.

True. Last time I lived in Japan about 10 years ago they were the suppliers of meth and buyers of scrap metal and old bicycles.

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scottslemmons  Aug 9, 2017 • 6:59:05pm

re: #147 electrotek

Only under the Obama admin, in wingnut world

The ACLU has, for some reason, gotten hitched into the idea that citizens protesting Milo is a violation of his rights. That’s wingnut talk, and I don’t know why they’ve fallen for such a dumb argument.

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Kragar  Aug 9, 2017 • 6:59:07pm
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jaunte  Aug 9, 2017 • 6:59:11pm

re: #146 scottslemmons

Has the government penalized Milo for speaking? Has it prevented him from speaking?

Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority:

“…The regulations say “advertisements that promote or oppose any religion, religious practice, or belief are prohibited.”
washingtonian.com

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electrotek  Aug 9, 2017 • 6:59:13pm

re: #148 Barefoot Grin

True. Last time I lived in Japan about 10 years ago they were the suppliers of meth and buyers of scrap metal and old bicycles.

Jesus, even in Japan drugs still trickle through eh?

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EPR-radar  Aug 9, 2017 • 7:00:55pm

re: #111 electrotek

Okay I’m a dedicated supporter of ACLU and all it represents, but even I have question their decision to defend this pipsqueak:

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The best argument for this kind of consistency is that allowing government suppression of speech will always end up helping the bad guys more than the good guys, no matter how much I’d like to personally weld Milo Y’s teeth together so that he never speaks another word again as long as he lives.

But it remains painful.

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electrotek  Aug 9, 2017 • 7:01:39pm

I really hate this self-loathing opportunistic internalized Islamophobic piece of trash so much:

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William Lewis  Aug 9, 2017 • 7:02:01pm

Hey Metalheads! Groove on this band: Voice of Baseprot:

npr.org

Voice Of Baceprot - The Enemy of Earth is You

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EPR-radar  Aug 9, 2017 • 7:03:36pm

re: #141 electrotek

Appreciate the clarification. I honestly always understood it to apply only to US citizens, but now I know better.

Cheers guys.

Republicans want to change this, of course.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Aug 9, 2017 • 7:03:45pm

re: #142 Jack Burton

My current congressman. Maybe I’ll have someone worth a damn to vote for next fall.

Check out Swing Left if you want to join the action.

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ObserverArt  Aug 9, 2017 • 7:05:50pm

re: #146 scottslemmons

Has the government penalized Milo for speaking? Has it prevented him from speaking?

Not knowing the details, but I wonder if he is claiming colleges allowing student protests to stop him from speaking and cancelling his address is what this is based on? State supported college=government. Again my take.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Aug 9, 2017 • 7:06:40pm

re: #152 electrotek

Meth was developed in Japan by Akira Ogata, and was used by soldiers during WW2 and industrial workers during the post-War.

At some point is was going to return home.

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 9, 2017 • 7:06:41pm

re: #152 electrotek

Jesus, even in Japan drugs still trickle through eh?

kakuseizai (meth) is the biggest problem, I think. It’s favored by truck drivers and young women on diets, but it seems like once a year some celebrity gets caught, too. When I was there for research in 2002 they were just closing a loophole that had allowed most fungi to be sold because psylocybin (sp?) was just getting popular and was legal. I could have had a couple of trips in Shimo Kitazawa, but I was just married with a baby, and, well…. I’ve also been offered weed by close friends, but again, not something you want to be caught doing there, so no.

So as always, alcohol is the drug of choice in Japan.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Aug 9, 2017 • 7:06:56pm

re: #149 scottslemmons

The ACLU has, for some reason, gotten hitched into the idea that citizens protesting Milo is a violation of his rights. That’s wingnut talk, and I don’t know why they’ve fallen for such a dumb argument.

It’s the violent suppression, not the protest. I’m in two minds about this.

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EPR-radar  Aug 9, 2017 • 7:07:56pm

re: #149 scottslemmons

The ACLU has, for some reason, gotten hitched into the idea that citizens protesting Milo is a violation of his rights. That’s wingnut talk, and I don’t know why they’ve fallen for such a dumb argument.

From the linked article:

The case we filed today is a good illustration of what we mean. The Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority, a government agency, prohibits any advertisements on its trains or buses that attempt to “influence members of the public regarding an issue on which there are varying opinions.” Enforcing that rule, the WMATA told the ACLU that we couldn’t put up ads that show the text of the First Amendment (yes, really) in English, Spanish, and Arabic. It also refused ads from People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) urging people not to eat meat and another one from Carafem, a non-profit that provides abortion care and family planning services. In Mr. Yiannopoulos’ case, it pulled ads for his book from its trains after passengers complained.

So this does not seem to be a case of the ACLU believing that citizens protesting Milo is a violation of his rights.

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 9, 2017 • 7:11:11pm

OFFS:

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Charles Johnson  Aug 9, 2017 • 7:11:15pm
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Kragar  Aug 9, 2017 • 7:11:47pm
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electrotek  Aug 9, 2017 • 7:11:57pm

re: #159 The Ghost of a Flea

Meth was developed in Japan by Akira Ogata, and was used by soldiers during WW2 and industrial workers during the post-War.

At some point is was going to return home.

Yikes, interesting. Another tidbit I’ve learned tonight. #themoreyouknow

re: #160 Barefoot Grin

kakuseizai (meth) is the biggest problem, I think. It’s favored by truck drivers and young women on diets, but it seems like once a year some celebrity gets caught, too. When I was there for research in 2002 they were just closing a loophole that had allowed most fungi to be sold because psylocybin (sp?) was just getting popular and was legal. I could have had a couple of trips in Shimo Kitazawa, but I was just married with a baby, and, well…. I’ve also been offered weed by close friends, but again, not something you want to be caught doing there, so no.

So as always, alcohol is the drug of choice in Japan.

Alcohol is a given, no doubt about it. I just know that Japan is like Singapore when it comes to drugs and how notoriously strict they are even when it comes to prescription drugs. Remember the female Toyota executive a couple of years ago who was forced to resign due to smuggling painkillers? That alone dissuaded me from even trying to find good ol’ ganja when I last visited the country. The last thing I want, especially in a life-changing trip as Japan was for me, is to be deported from the country in the middle of my trip. Even when I was at a music festival, I avoided the allure of seeking out drugs as it was not worth it for me, especially in an East Asian country.

Although I’m surprised cocaine hasn’t recovered from its peak during the bubble economy lol

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 9, 2017 • 7:14:28pm

re: #166 electrotek

Yikes, interesting. Another tidbit I’ve learned tonight. #themoreyouknow

Alcohol is a given, no doubt about it. I just know that Japan is like Singapore when it comes to drugs and how notoriously strict they are even when it comes to prescription drugs. Remember the female Toyota executive a couple of years ago who was forced to resign due to smuggling painkillers? That alone dissuaded me from even trying to find good ol’ ganja when I last visited the country. The last thing I want, especially in a life-changing trip as Japan was for me, is to be deported from the country in the middle of my trip. Even when I was at a music festival, I avoided the allure of seeking out drugs as it was not worth it for me, especially in an East Asian country.

Although I’m surprised cocaine hasn’t recovered from its peak during the bubble economy lol

I’ve been wondering if fentanyl isn’t Chinese payback for the opium sold there in the 19th century!

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Stanley Sea  Aug 9, 2017 • 7:15:47pm

Dog I laughed

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 9, 2017 • 7:19:25pm

re: #168 Stanley Sea

Dog I laughed

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My father-in-law was fond of saying that the first thing translated in hieroglyphics was “kids these days….”

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electrotek  Aug 9, 2017 • 7:21:03pm

In light of nuclear winter approaching (and the fact that today is also the anniversary of the Nagasaki bombing), thought I’d re-post this photo of myself when I visited Hiroshima 2 years ago for the 70th anniversary of the atomic bombing. To this day it is perhaps the most anticipated but also the most emotional visit I’ve ever made in my life.

Instagram

Never forget #hiroshima #nagasaki and dedicated to brave Japanese journalist #kenjigoto who was a great soul that was taken away from the forces of evil #august6 #1945 #70thanniversary #hiroshimamemorial #atomicdome #nuclear #atomicbombing #japan #ww2 #worldwar2 #peace #notoatomicweapons

To this day, I still hold my visit on the anniversary as one of the proudest achievements of my life.

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freetoken  Aug 9, 2017 • 7:22:16pm

re: #130 FormerDirtDart

Hunter the Lesser, one of our local Reps, known to be an avid vaper.

Elected only because he has the same name of his father, who held the district for years. It’s the religious right part of SD county, home to the original ICR, etc.

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MsJ  Aug 9, 2017 • 7:22:58pm

This is a LONG thread but we’ll worth the read. There are almost 100 subtweets from a psych professional.

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Kragar  Aug 9, 2017 • 7:26:59pm

re: #171 freetoken

Hunter the Lesser, one of our local Reps, known to be an avid vaper.

Elected only because he has the same name of his father, who held the district for years. It’s the religious right part of SD county, home to the original ICR, etc.

The Office Trumper is in his district. Evangelical whackjob who thinks gutting the State Dept was a great idea, climate change is a hoax, and Hillary winning the popular vote by 3 million votes is proof of voter fraud

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MsJ  Aug 9, 2017 • 7:32:00pm

Another good thread.

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Kragar  Aug 9, 2017 • 7:34:26pm
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jaunte  Aug 9, 2017 • 7:35:57pm
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Amory Blaine  Aug 9, 2017 • 7:37:44pm

“See me after class” is represented by a middle finger in ancient hieroglyphics.

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wheat-dogg  Aug 9, 2017 • 7:40:28pm

re: #137 Amory Blaine

All people in in the US have constitutional rights.

So far

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mmmirele  Aug 9, 2017 • 7:41:37pm

re: #123 William Lewis

Someone on twitter should remind the ACLU of this in regards to Yiannopoulos:

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I’m going to disagree with this. As abhorrent as I find Milo (and just seeing the guy’s face makes me want to puke), the fact is WMATA is a government agency and the First Amendment applies. Since they’ve opened up advertising to other groups, the idea that they’re going to have topic-based censorship puts this squarely within the ambit of the First Amendment.

Now, to be honest, WMATA could word its advertising requirements to get around a First Amendment challenge. That’s what Pinellas County, Florida did back in the 1990s when some former Scientologists wanted to advertise on the city buses.

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Kragar  Aug 9, 2017 • 7:43:11pm
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MsJ  Aug 9, 2017 • 7:44:12pm

This is a national shame and embarrassment.

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electrotek  Aug 9, 2017 • 7:44:32pm

This still haunts me to this day:

Instagram

I lost it over this #hiroshima #hiroshimamemorial #shinichitetsutani #hiroshimapeacememorialpark #hiroshimamuseum

Does anyone else think Trump would visit the museum and come out with tears flowing from his eyes afterwards?

I was emotionally speaking a fucking wreck after visiting the museum. I’ve never bawled my eyes out so fucking much until stepping foot in there and seeing the ugly and horrific reminders of nuclear war. I could have quit halfway but I’ve came so far and wide and I was determined to go through the entire museum even if meant breaking down at the end. To this day, I still can not speak of Hiroshima and my visit without feeling choked up over it. A grim reminder on how humanity is capable of inflicting horrific damage as a way to one-up the other.

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wheat-dogg  Aug 9, 2017 • 7:49:29pm

re: #182 electrotek

This still haunts me to this day:

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Does anyone else think Trump would visit the museum and come out with tears flowing from his eyes afterwards?

I was emotionally speaking a fucking wreck after visiting the museum. I’ve never bawled my eyes out so fucking much until stepping foot in there and seeing the ugly and horrific reminders of nuclear war. I could have quit halfway but I’ve came so far and wide and I was determined to go through the entire museum even if meant breaking down at the end. To this day, I still can not speak of Hiroshima and my visit without feeling choked up over it. A grim reminder on how humanity is capable of inflicting horrific damage as a way to one-up the other.

I said something similar earlier today. Seeing the gruesome relics of the victims — pocket watches, lunch pails, school bookbags, clothes — and the twisted steel girders carries much more impact than reading about the bombing, or watching documentaries.

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teleskiguy  Aug 9, 2017 • 7:53:23pm

Last I checked Vanilla Ice is still alive.

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JordanRules  Aug 9, 2017 • 7:54:55pm

Oh snap.

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JordanRules  Aug 9, 2017 • 7:58:53pm
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Decatur Deb  Aug 9, 2017 • 7:59:06pm

re: #165 Kragar

JUST IN: South Korea’s military says it is prepared to immediately act against any North Korean provocation

Real scoop there, Jimmy Olsen. That’s pretty much the ringtone on half the phones in Yongsan.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 9, 2017 • 7:59:44pm

re: #185 JordanRules

Oh snap.

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Amen!!! Police don’t interfere when Nazis and White Supremacists exercise their free speech right. They save their anger for BLM and other marginalized protesters.

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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 9, 2017 • 7:59:58pm

re: #149 scottslemmons

Not at all surprising from a civil liberties organization that cherry picks which constitutional liberties to protect and which to leave to die on the vine.

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electrotek  Aug 9, 2017 • 8:01:45pm

re: #183 wheat-dogg

I said something similar earlier today. Seeing the gruesome relics of the victims — pocket watches, lunch pails, school bookbags, clothes — and the twisted steel girders carries much more impact than reading about the bombing, or watching documentaries.

Horrifyingly depicted in this Japanese anime movie Barefoot Gen:

Horrifying Animation of Hiroshima Bombing

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Charles Johnson  Aug 9, 2017 • 8:02:26pm
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wheat-dogg  Aug 9, 2017 • 8:03:52pm

re: #184 teleskiguy

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Last I checked Vanilla Ice is still alive.

Speaking of V. Ice, did you know he has a home improvement show on DIY now? I’ve just seen the promos, but it looks pretty bad.

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jaunte  Aug 9, 2017 • 8:05:31pm
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electrotek  Aug 9, 2017 • 8:05:46pm

British wingnuts are competing with their American counterparts on how stupid they are:

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 9, 2017 • 8:06:37pm

re: #163 Barefoot Grin

OFFS:

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And Conservatives would have been a-ok with an unpredictable Democratic President, right? They’re beyond hypocritical. This has become farce.

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JordanRules  Aug 9, 2017 • 8:09:17pm

re: #192 wheat-dogg

I watched it once. Not like the worst considering all the super trash reality, DIY shows and the like, that are out there. But yeah, once.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 9, 2017 • 8:09:56pm

re: #150 Kragar

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Lizza is probably having the best time of his life. A huge story literally called him and he reported it. The Mooch can’t admit that he was so messy that even Trump didn’t want him.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 9, 2017 • 8:13:42pm

re: #194 electrotek

British wingnuts are competing with their American counterparts on how stupid they are:

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Why does he think Richard II was a sick fucker?

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Skip Intro  Aug 9, 2017 • 8:13:54pm

re: #192 wheat-dogg

Speaking of V. Ice, did you know he has a home improvement show on DIY now? I’ve just seen the promos, but it looks pretty bad.

It’s horrible. Naturally, it’s been on for years.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 9, 2017 • 8:14:48pm
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Patricia Kayden  Aug 9, 2017 • 8:15:57pm

re: #117 Kragar

Trump just retweeted this dreck

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We were safer under President Obama than we are under Trump or were under Bush 43. Apart from two incidents, I don’t recall any terrorist attacks on US soil. Now we have the possibility of NK strikes.

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Skip Intro  Aug 9, 2017 • 8:16:02pm

re: #195 Patricia Kayden

There is NOTHING Fox won’t support Trump doing. I don’t care what you come up with, Fox will be 100% in favor of it.

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wheat-dogg  Aug 9, 2017 • 8:17:52pm

re: #199 Skip Intro

It’s horrible. Naturally, it’s been on for years.

That makes me sad, because the promos was just awful. You can tell he has no idea what he’s talking about.

Also, there seems to be a surfeit of blonde women contractors on TV now.

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jaunte  Aug 9, 2017 • 8:17:55pm

re: #191 Charles Johnson

Scientists name prehistoric croc after Lemmy from Motörhead

I’m currently reading “The Ends of the World,” a book about mass extinctions in the earth’s history. Footnoted in an early chapter:

Gregory Edgecombe of the London Natural History Museum named five species [of trilobites] in the genus Articalymene, one for each member of the Sex Pistols, including A. rotteni and A. visciousi. The genus Mackenziurus has four members of the Ramones among its ranks, including M. joeyi, M. deedeei, and M. ceejayi— again thanks to Edgecombe.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Aug 9, 2017 • 8:18:35pm

re: #163 Barefoot Grin

OFFS:

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Trump is the asshole they wish they could be. His fans fetishize violence against the Other; of course they love the idea of Don Eladio in charge.

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Skip Intro  Aug 9, 2017 • 8:19:52pm

re: #203 wheat-dogg

That makes me sad, because the promos was just awful. You can tell he has no idea what he’s talking about.

Also, there seems to be a surfeit of blonde women contractors on TV now.

The Fox “News” effect.

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William Lewis  Aug 9, 2017 • 8:20:08pm

re: #198 Decatur Deb

Why does he think Richard II was a sick fucker?

Confusing him with Edward II?

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jaunte  Aug 9, 2017 • 8:22:16pm

This not normal.

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KGxvi  Aug 9, 2017 • 8:26:09pm

re: #118 Timothy Watson

They’re also defending the neo-Nazis who want to march in Charlottesville.

Ugh, don’t you guys have to wash your hair or something and let someone else worry about it?

Freedom of speech means nothing if we decide some people aren’t entitled to it. I’ll oppose the evil you speak, but defend until death your right to speak

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Decatur Deb  Aug 9, 2017 • 8:27:16pm

re: #207 William Lewis

Confusing him with Edward II?

royalcentral.co.uk

It was par for the course. Guessing that kind of tribal/dynastic drive was also the story with Mohammed’s young wife.

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KGxvi  Aug 9, 2017 • 8:27:31pm

re: #203 wheat-dogg

That makes me sad, because the promos was just awful. You can tell he has no idea what he’s talking about.

Also, there seems to be a surfeit of blonde women contractors on TV now.

I’ve watched it. It’s not terrible as rehab/remodel shows go. But his taste is very… unique

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William Lewis  Aug 9, 2017 • 8:34:17pm

re: #210 Decatur Deb

royalcentral.co.uk

It was par for the course. Guessing that kind of tribal/dynastic drive was also the story with Mohammed’s young wife.

Ah. I was thinking the gay thing was behind it

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Decatur Deb  Aug 9, 2017 • 8:51:48pm

re: #169 Barefoot Grin

My father-in-law was fond of saying that the first thing translated in hieroglyphics was “kids these days….”

He might be more right than funny—one of the first pieces of literature was “The Lament of the Priest of Ptah”. (Used to be able to find it on the net, now you have to plow through a lot of .pdf) It includes a bitch about the way the young have fallen from the proper path.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Aug 9, 2017 • 8:59:27pm

re: #183 wheat-dogg

I said something similar earlier today. Seeing the gruesome relics of the victims — pocket watches, lunch pails, school bookbags, clothes — and the twisted steel girders carries much more impact than reading about the bombing, or watching documentaries.

What got to me was the survivor artwork. It’s in various places around the web and I can’t find the first article I found that had a comprehensive collection digitized right now. But, I remember one scene was a drawing of people burned beyond recognition walking in a group and the caption explained that it showed what some survivors called “ant people”, who had lost their skin and were walking mute with their hands out like zombies.

I read “Hiroshima” when I was nine, and I had read plenty about WW2 all through my youth, and I had an idea of what nuclear weapons really did before I hit puberty, but I had never seen or read about anything that literally visceral.

The real horror of being able to do that to thousands of people in an instant, indiscriminately, is somehow lost on millions of Americans who should know better. I don’t know why we’re so fucking dumb.

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austin_blue  Aug 9, 2017 • 9:40:14pm

re: #132 electrotek

And most importantly, Milo isn’t even a US citizen for Christ’s sake. Since when is he entitled to 1st Amendment rights?

Actually, he is if he is in the US.


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