Trump Triples Down: Maybe ‘Fire and Fury’ Comment ‘Wasn’t Tough Enough’

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The Trump-thing is following his usual pattern of behavior; when people call him out for saying something gross, offensive or reckless, he doubles down and says something even worse: Trump: Maybe ‘fire and fury’ comment ‘wasn’t tough enough’.

Bridgewater, New Jersey (CNN)President Donald Trump reiterated his bellicose warning to North Korea from earlier in the week, telling reporters at his golf club in New Jersey on Thursday that his threat to bring “fire and fury” if North Korea continued to threaten the United States may not have gone far enough.

“Maybe it wasn’t tough enough,” Trump said during a lengthy exchange with reporters.Trump said that past administrations had not done enough to take on North Korea and that it is time a President “stuck up for the country.”

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 10, 2017 • 12:52:45pm
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makeitstop  Aug 10, 2017 • 12:53:14pm

Dear Fatass,

If you were so concerned with sticking up for this country, you’d go after Putin hammer & tongs for fucking with our election.

But you’re not, so never mind. And GFY.

Totally not respectfully,
makeitstop

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KGxvi  Aug 10, 2017 • 12:54:40pm

re: #1 Big Beautiful Door

that might have been one of the most beautifully shot scenes in television history

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EPR-radar  Aug 10, 2017 • 12:54:45pm

Seen elsewhere

If Trump really wants to destroy North Korea, all he has to do is run it like one of his businesses.

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lawhawk  Aug 10, 2017 • 12:56:22pm

Because nuking a country of limited means and limited capabilities with our own significant nuclear arsenal isn’t enough and Trump needs to top his own bombastic bullshit?

What’s next? He’s gonna nuke North Korea from orbit, just to be sure?

Once you’ve threatened nuclear attack, there’s no where else you can escalate. That’s the top shelf of violence on this planet.

The military has developed all kinds of ways to kill people, but nothing tops nuking a city or country. In fact, the military has gone to considerable expense to find ways to kill people without having to nuke entire countries (bunker busters, etc.) because nuking entire cities is abhorrent and violates all current international norms.

Trump doesn’t care about any of that - he has bombs and he wants to use them, damn the consequences.

Trump would turn the US into a pariah state and he would be rightfully considered a war criminal for engaging in such actions - along with much of the GOP controlled Congress that has continued to enable his admin in ways large and small.

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makeitstop  Aug 10, 2017 • 12:59:21pm

re: #5 lawhawk

Trump would turn the US into a pariah state

My first thought upon hearing the ‘fire and fury’ statement.

The rest of the world would bring this country to its knees, and do it without firing a shot.

And as a country, we’d deserve it.

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Targetpractice  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:03:57pm

This schoolyard bully shit may impress the marks, but on an international stage all it’s doing is furthering the impression that Trump is weak and the clock on his presidency is winding down fast.

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Belafon  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:05:39pm

re: #7 Targetpractice

This schoolyard bully shit may impress the marks, but on an international stage all it’s doing is furthering the impression that Trump is weak and the clock on his presidency is winding down fast.

Threats only work if the other person thinks you’re superior in some way.

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gocart mozart  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:05:40pm
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Charles Johnson  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:05:41pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:06:01pm

re: #3 KGxvi

that might have been one of the most beautifully shot scenes in television history

I’d pay to see it on IMAX.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:07:29pm

re: #11 Big Beautiful Door

Ditto.

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lawhawk  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:08:15pm

While the evangelicals continue flocking to Trump, Trump’s continued to surround himself with morally/ethically challenged know-nothings who think nothing of extramarital affairs with other staffers.

In a quieter time, this would be a big scandal all by itself. Now? It just blends into the background chaos of Trumpworld.

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Belafon  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:08:45pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

Well, I’m glad he thinks of Trump the same way we do.

//

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EPR-radar  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:09:00pm

re: #6 makeitstop

My first thought upon hearing the ‘fire and fury’ statement.

The rest of the world would bring this country to its knees, and do it without firing a shot.

And as a country, we’d deserve it.

We may end up with Washington War Crimes trials before this madness is over.

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ObserverArt  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:10:33pm

re: #3 KGxvi

that might have been one of the most beautifully shot scenes in television history

Great scene, but very grim. I don’t know if I would have used the word beautiful as an adverb. Maybe masterfully, incredibly or something like that.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:11:21pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:11:34pm

Someone with auto tune should re do all Trumps speeches like he is breathing helium. Fire and fury indeed.

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Interesting Times  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:12:14pm
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EPR-radar  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:12:18pm

re: #5 lawhawk


Trump would turn the US into a pariah state and he would be rightfully considered a war criminal for engaging in such actions - along with much of the GOP controlled Congress that has continued to enable his admin in ways large and small.

Voting for a Republican for Federal office can reasonably be viewed as a war crime.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:12:24pm
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Skip Intro  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:12:25pm

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:13:23pm
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ObserverArt  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:14:20pm

re: #5 lawhawk

Because nuking a country of limited means and limited capabilities with our own significant nuclear arsenal isn’t enough and Trump needs to top his own bombastic bullshit?

What’s next? He’s gonna nuke North Korea from orbit, just to be sure?

You know if people start to call him out for wanting to use nukes, he will say he never said nukes. He will shift and talk about all of the other incredible bombs and toys they have, just you wait and see.

And he will also say he never says what he is going to do so how would anyone know he was talking about nukes?

He’s squirrely that way…he can never be wrong with anything he says, he always find some kind of a BS out.

And…we always take his words too literally. That seems to work for him too.

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EPR-radar  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:14:32pm

Back when Dark Falcon was here, he left in a huff one evening after I made the simple observation that the US Republican party is on the short list of threats to world peace.

The delusion that Republicans are not a threat to world peace has not aged well since then.

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Targetpractice  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:15:05pm

re: #8 Belafon

Threats only work if the other person thinks you’re superior in some way.

Threats only work if the other side believes you’re willing to follow through. So far, Trump has made a lot of threats, but carried through on none of them. And even now Gorka is out there, trying to convince folks that “fire and fury” don’t mean military action.

Trump’s proving to be as threatening as an angry gerbil.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:15:16pm

re: #13 lawhawk

While the evangelicals continue flocking to Trump, Trump’s continued to surround himself with morally/ethically challenged know-nothings who think nothing of extramarital affairs with other staffers.

In a quieter time, this would be a big scandal all by itself. Now? It just blends into the background chaos of Trumpworld.

At least the president himself is a man of impeccable morals both marital and…oh wait

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Kragar  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:16:35pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

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KGxvi  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:17:02pm

re: #16 ObserverArt

Great scene, but very grim. I don’t know if I would have used the word beautiful as an adverb. Maybe masterfully, incredibly or something like that.

I don’t think the grim nature of the scene makes it any less beautiful. Everything about it… the sound of hoofs and the battle cry of the Dothraki before you see them. The look on Jamie’s face when Drogon screams and then comes into view. The tracking shot with Bronn. Yes, it was grim, but it was till a thing of beauty. Hell, if I could ever write/produce a movie with just one of those shots, I’d be good, they had all three (and more) in one scene.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:17:16pm

I find some of the nuclear hyperbole of late overdone, but Trump’s handling of this situation makes it even more clear that he is a threat to economic, social and political stability.

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nines09  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:17:34pm

re: #5 lawhawk

Just stopping by. Gotta go and do what I gotta do.
I grew up thinking we were the good guys. I’ve witnessed enough bad to think, well, nobody is perfect. I’ve seen enough of this to know now that this nation is still stuck in the past. Some of that past never existed. Some of it is as real as it was 100 years ago. 50 years ago. 25 years ago. Cities burned in the 60’s. War raged. Riots.This nation has weeping sores. This nation has a number of cults who have made the flag and the Bible weapons against its own citizens. And The Statue Of Liberty now is nothing more than a “gift” from France. Not anything but piece of structural metal with a creed later nailed to it that means….Nothing. And now the absolute worst POS man we could possibly elect sits and jerks off with a nuke button. Pissing contest with another madman. Actually pumping his ego as Trump pumps his own. And that Party Of Personal Responsibility, that Moral Majority, that Compassionate Conservative smile and hug? Busy looting as the idiot who bullied them goes completely off the rails. This is, in a way, normal. Trump is what you get from a Cargo Cult such as the GOP.
Cursed to be living in interesting times it seems.
Civilization is built on bones. You just hope they are not yours.
Mueller is quietly at work. That will be the true litmus of who and what we have become. THAT will tell you.
And if your Democracy is dependent on Military Generals to hold your POTUS in line, well something is broken. Badly.
We are not far from being a threat to world peace, and people are excited over that.

It’s Thursday.
Fuck the GOP.

Youtube Video

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dangerman  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:18:19pm

re: #5 lawhawk

along with much of the GOP controlled Congress that has continued to enable his admin in ways large and small.

trump is a child - though smart enough to surround himself with other sycophantic children (and family)

congress has hundreds of individual heads not one monomaniac

with each new thing, with each day they make it clearer and clearer, by doing *nothing* they are complicit and there is no way they can absolve themselves of this

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jaunte  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:18:23pm
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ObserverArt  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:18:39pm

re: #8 Belafon

Threats only work if the other person thinks you’re superior in some way.

The other countries are smart enough to know Trump is causing a hell of a stir here in the U.S. with his statements. They know we are worried about him too.

Everyone is worried about him. I bet even Vlad is like: “This Trump is crazier than we thought. He could turn on us. We need to distance ourselves from him and keep up our projects of fucking with American politics without him. He did all we needed, now we cut him off.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:18:47pm

re: #31 nines09

I used to feel that we were making progress, now we are fighting not to regress…

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Chrysicat  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:19:36pm

‘Love’ it when I accidentally get in the last word downstairs ‘cause everyone jumped to a new thread while I was catching up on the old one…

re: #225 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Summer has gone on holiday in Germany, 60° degrees and rainy all day, might clear up a bit but temps will be down into the 50’s…

Similar situation here in Colorado where temps have topped in the high 70s for long enough I was hoping it was an early autumn.

No such luck, unfortunately, and we’re headed back above 90 beginning next Tuesday…

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ObserverArt  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:20:07pm

re: #9 gocart mozart

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Heh. Someone got creative and knew they could hide some “pistols’ in the flowers.

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Skip Intro  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:20:58pm
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lawhawk  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:21:04pm

re: #26 Targetpractice

Threats only work if the other side believes you’re willing to follow through. So far, Trump has made a lot of threats, but carried through on none of them. And even now Gorka is out there, trying to convince folks that “fire and fury” don’t mean military action.

Trump’s proving to be as threatening as an angry gerbil.

A good negotiator knows never to start at an extreme position 100 - 0. Always leave room to appear reasonable and willing to come to consensus.

Trump starts his position negotiating with North Korea at 110. Then thinks that he can go up from there, as though there’s any way to actually do that. Once you’ve turned North Korea in to dragon glass, nuking it a few more times for good measure wont help usher in the age of dragons. They’re still dead and you’ve still committed war crimes.

Diplomacy and statecraft requires making concessions and working out deals that allow everyone to claim victory so as to maintain peace/lack of conflict.

It also requires having a foreign service section (aka State Dept) who can further your goals and are accountable for those positions because their word is their bond and backed by the President. Trump’s completely fucked all that up because no one can trust Trump’s statements, and everyone is always in CYA mode and running apologies for everything he says/does because he’s a toddler with a nuclear button that he’s itching to press. Fucknuts like Gorka the Fabulist are egging him on, regardless of the consequences.

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EPR-radar  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:21:18pm

re: #26 Targetpractice

Threats only work if the other side believes you’re willing to follow through. So far, Trump has made a lot of threats, but carried through on none of them. And even now Gorka is out there, trying to convince folks that “fire and fury” don’t mean military action.

Trump’s proving to be as threatening as an angry gerbil.

tr*mp himself is a chickenshit weathervane, and all the world knows that.

The problem is that a NK missile strike at/near Guam is going to create real pressure for a harsh US military response. tr*mp will add his own personal touch of fucked-upness to it, but IMO it will happen.

That’s probably the miscalculation that North Korea is making — they think tr*mp’s idiocy will make it so that no response will happen even if they go through with their Guam provocation. But tr*mp does not have absolute enough control over the US government that his cowardice will totally paralyze the government and prevent a response.

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ObserverArt  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:21:23pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

Seb Gorka is now on TV insisting only someone who is “irresponsible” could interpret “fire and fury” to mean attacking North Korea

And there it is. I should have read a little further. There is the walkback…like makeitstop always looks for.

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jaunte  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:22:31pm

re: #41 ObserverArt

Is this the walkback of the first fire and fury or the walkback of the double fire and fury?

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dangerman  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:23:00pm

re: #17 FormerDirtDart

[Embedded content]Gorka is now insisting his criticism of Rex Tillerson is “fake news”
4:07 PM - Aug 10, 2017

watch how the definition of ‘fake news’ is morphing in almost real time

sure they were my words. why you wasting time on this?

we’ve gone from “fake” = not real, to fake = not newsworthy

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jaunte  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:23:50pm

re: #43 dangerman

“Listen to me when I say you’d have to be an idiot for listening to me.”

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dangerman  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:25:15pm

re: #23 FormerDirtDart

[Embedded content]Dow closes down 205 points, posting its worst day in nearly 3 months. The Nasdaq falls 2.1% cnnmon.ie

guess who owns this?

then watch how they twist it into not our fault
“we wouldnt be in this mess if someone before us had just….”

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makeitstop  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:25:15pm

re: #41 ObserverArt

And there it is. I should have read a little further. There is the walkback…like makeitstop always looks for.

With a dollop or two of gaslighting thrown in.

‘You think he meant nuclear fire? How irresponsible of you!’

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SteelPH  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:25:30pm

re: #25 EPR-radar

Back when Dark Falcon was here, he left in a huff one evening after I made the simple observation that the US Republican party is on the short list of threats to world peace.

The delusion that Republicans are not a threat to world peace has not aged well since then.

I’m sure he’s salivating at the thought of nuclear war with North Korea.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:26:36pm
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Skip Intro  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:26:39pm

re: #47 SteelPH

He was one strange dude.

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ObserverArt  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:27:03pm

re: #25 EPR-radar

Back when Dark Falcon was here, he left in a huff one evening after I made the simple observation that the US Republican party is on the short list of threats to world peace.

The delusion that Republicans are not a threat to world peace has not aged well since then.

And one reason why Dark will never ever be back. He’s smart enough to know he fucked up…even if he would never admit it.

He’s not man enough to admit it. He’s a warrior though.

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Kragar  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:27:20pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:29:08pm

re: #36 Chrysicat

‘Love’ it when I accidentally get in the last word downstairs ‘cause everyone jumped to a new thread while I was catching up on the old one…

Sunday promises to be better…72° and sunny…but that is the best summer has had to offer lately.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:29:20pm

re: #51 Kragar

Nothing makes sense anymore.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:29:26pm
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Belafon  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:29:57pm

re: #48 Charles Johnson

“I didn’t want to play anyway!”

Another in the Trump-is-a-child series.

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dangerman  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:30:22pm

re: #30 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I find some of the nuclear hyperbole of late overdone, but Trump’s handling of this situation makes it even more clear that he is a threat to economic, social and political stability.

why, just because he’s an ignorant, undeliberative, unstable, loose cannon?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:31:01pm

re: #48 Charles Johnson

According to Kelly O , Trump just now said he thanks Putin for kicking US diplomats out of Moscow, saying, `We want to reduce our payroll.’

Government bureaucrats and useless parasites all…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:31:40pm

re: #56 dangerman

why, just because he’s an ignorant, undeliberative, unstable, loose cannon?

because the people who are in a position to contain him are unwilling to do so

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Belafon  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:31:43pm

re: #56 dangerman

why, just because he’s an ignorant, undeliberative, unstable, loose cannon?

And his unpredictability makes him better at dealing with North Korea. That’s what some Republicans were saying yesterday.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:31:50pm

re: #48 Charles Johnson

“We aren’t even hiring for positions in the State Department so why would we care about our personnel over seas? MAGA.”

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jaunte  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:32:16pm

re: #55 Belafon

“You thought you won, but I was really the winner.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:32:26pm

re: #60 Sir John Barron

“We aren’t even hiring for positions in the State Department so why would we care about our personnel over seas? MAGA.”

Let them get a job in a coal mine.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:32:27pm

re: #57 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Government bureaucrats and useless parasites all…

“This actually fits our grand scheme to starve the Deep State so all’s well. MAGA.”

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:32:50pm

re: #48 Charles Johnson

Pretty sure that doesn’t “reduce payroll,” either. That man is an anti-American asshole. In addition to being a complete moron.

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ObserverArt  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:32:53pm

re: #26 Targetpractice

Threats only work if the other side believes you’re willing to follow through. So far, Trump has made a lot of threats, but carried through on none of them. And even now Gorka is out there, trying to convince folks that “fire and fury” don’t mean military action.

Trump’s proving to be as threatening as an angry gerbil.

Look out North Korea…Trump and Gorka are going to ride in hard on horses, and then set up a fire pit and make some s’mores.

“DId you know the North Koreans like ‘smores?” I never knew they liked s’mores. Look at Gorka over there…he’s funny. He’s got marshmallow and chocolate in his beard. You like those don’t you Seb. Did you know Seb likes s’mores. Believe me, everyone does.”

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Kragar  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:32:56pm

“how far would Republicans be willing to follow the president to stop what they perceive as rampant fraud? Our recent survey suggests that the answer is quite far: About half of Republicans say they would support postponing the 2020 presidential election until the country can fix this problem.”

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EPR-radar  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:33:36pm

re: #57 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Government bureaucrats and useless parasites all…

Of course. tr*mp has a very simple world view. People richer than tr*mp have to be taken seriously. People that are ‘customers’ of a tr*mp business are marks to be fleeced. There are no other categories for people.

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makeitstop  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:33:44pm

OT: I jumped into the prog-rock time machine today and revisited the last album by one of my favorite prog bands of the 70s, Gentle Giant.

It makes the current craziness go down a little more smoothly - like eating sand instead of pebbles.

GENTLE GIANT Civilian 01 Convenience

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Chrysicat  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:33:54pm

re: #66 Kragar

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You couldn’t just RT mine that I made 8 hours ago?

Not like I don’t need the sig boost if I ever want to have more than 5 engagements with my tweets or nothin’…

//

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wrenchwench  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:34:27pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

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He could say the same thing when we lose Manhattan. Expensive real estate! Expensive! Much cheaper now!

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Sir John Barron  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:34:28pm

re: #66 Kragar

This is about as bugshit insane as anything I’ve heard in the past two years, and that’s saying quite a lot.

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makeitstop  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:34:48pm

re: #48 Charles Johnson

According to @KellyO , Trump just now said he thanks Putin for kicking US diplomats out of Moscow, saying, `We want to reduce our payroll.’

Goddamned coward.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:34:49pm

re: #50 ObserverArt

He’s a warrior though.

He’s not warrior enough to join the 101st Chairborne division, let alone anything less Cheetoh infested.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:35:50pm

re: #48 Charles Johnson

The collusion continues.

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ObserverArt  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:36:47pm

re: #31 nines09

Just stopping by. Gotta go and do what I gotta do.

It’s Thursday.
Fuck the GOP.

And tomorrow is Friday…fuck ‘em then too. And the days after…

Good rant. Like a burning guitar riff.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:37:03pm

re: #51 Kragar

Next on Fox: Is the Statue of Liberty in the way of MAGA?

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dangerman  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:37:05pm

re: #48 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]According to @KellyO , Trump just now said he thanks Putin for kicking US diplomats out of Moscow, saying, `We want to reduce our payroll.’

they werent our…
thats not how…

and even so by .0000000000001% of the budget?

why do i bother? i should just go for a run

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Stanley Sea  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:37:07pm

Keep yammering.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:37:24pm

re: #78 Stanley Sea

Keep yammering.

He’s back to this?

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Ace-o-aces  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:37:34pm

Internet, you know what to do.

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Romantic Heretic  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:38:50pm

re: #17 FormerDirtDart

Personal responsibility!

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ObserverArt  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:41:09pm

re: #42 jaunte

Is this the walkback of the first fire and fury or the walkback of the double fire and fury?

Walkbacks in perpetuum.

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Chrysicat  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:42:27pm
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dangerman  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:42:37pm

re: #71 Sir John Barron

This is about as bugshit insane as anything I’ve heard in the past two years, and that’s saying quite a lot.

wait’ll tomorrow

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gocart mozart  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:44:21pm
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Kragar  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:46:11pm
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ObserverArt  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:46:15pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

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The dude is fucking bold.

He’s taking a dump on all the neocons and warriors of the GOP. He is basically saying “Let Russian run free…nothing to be scared about. I got this.”

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Charles Johnson  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:46:45pm
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Stanley Sea  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:47:00pm

He just claimed he renovated our nuclear.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:48:05pm

re: #26 Targetpractice

Threats only work if the other side believes you’re willing to follow through. So far, Trump has made a lot of threats, but carried through on none of them. And even now Gorka is out there, trying to convince folks that “fire and fury” don’t mean military action.

Trump’s proving to be as threatening as an angry gerbil.

the inflatable angry trump chicken is more terrifying…

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SteelPH  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:48:19pm

re: #89 Stanley Sea

He just claimed he renovated our nuclear.

A lie so nice, he had to say it twice.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:48:21pm

he is babbling

a wtf a minute

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Skip Intro  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:49:21pm

re: #88 Charles Johnson

Well, that’s true. If Kim does do something to Guam, it will be an event we haven’t seen the likes of before.

I suspect Trump will then thank him because Guam is really, really far away and it costs us a lot of money to support, so thanks again.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:50:09pm

“the Ukraine”

The DNC server

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ObserverArt  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:50:24pm

re: #68 makeitstop

OT: I jumped into the prog-rock time machine today and revisited the last album by one of my favorite prog bands of the 70s, Gentle Giant.

It makes the current craziness go down a little more smoothly - like eating sand instead of pebbles.

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I got to see them one time. Great band. I remember every one switching off on instruments, etc. Very talented group of musicians and singers. I think I still have three or four vinyls LPs of GG.

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wrenchwench  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:50:29pm

re: #91 SteelPH

A lie so nice, he had to say it twice.

I said the same thing last night. I forget what Pumpkin Pinochet said, but he said it twice.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:50:35pm
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Charles Johnson  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:51:30pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:51:31pm

WHO NEEDS BORING INTEL BRIEFINGS?
I CAN LEARN EVERYTHING I NEED TO KNOW FROM FOX & FRIENDS!!!1!!!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:51:34pm

re: #94 Birth Control Works

The Neuroscience Of Drumming: Researchers Discover The Secrets Of Drumming & The Human Brain

The banjo is a percussion instrument with strings.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:52:05pm

Talking about how he won

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ObserverArt  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:52:20pm

re: #73 Colère Tueur de Lapin

He’s not warrior enough to join the 101st Chairborne division, let alone anything less Cheetoh infested.

I was sorta hoping that calling out his manhood before calling him a warrior would say that, yeah.

: )

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EPR-radar  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:52:48pm

re: #93 Skip Intro

Well, that’s true. If Kim does do something to Guam, it will be an event we haven’t seen the likes of before.

I suspect Trump will then thank him because Guam is really, really far away and it costs us a lot of money to support, so thanks again.

That might be tr*mp’s personal reaction to it, because he is a craven piece of shit. However, the US establishment will not tolerate North Korea launching missiles that land a few miles from US territory, especially since that territory includes major military bases.

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Belafon  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:55:13pm

re: #98 Charles Johnson

Only if he’s writing his own check.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:55:29pm

It’s going to take a week to decipher this shit. My God….

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ObserverArt  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:56:18pm

re: #92 Stanley Sea

he is babbling

a wtf a minute

He’s addled. ; )

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wrenchwench  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:56:34pm

re: #106 Dave In Austin

It’s going to take a week to decipher this shit. My God….

We got time; he’s on vacation.

/

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makeitstop  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:56:45pm

re: #96 ObserverArt

I got to see them one time. Great band. I remember every one switching off on instruments, etc. Very talented group of musicians and singers. I think I still have three or four vinyls LPs of GG.

I worked at an entertainment paper in Philly through the 70s, and I got to interview them on a couple of consecutive tours. They were a group of oddballs/total music nerds, and about as nice a group a guys as you could fit into one band.

Soft-spoken, too. On the first interview, the keyboard player spoke so quietly that he literally didn’t register on the tape I got of the interview. I had to exclude him from the transcript!

Fun facts: Lead singer Derek Shulman went on to an A&R position at Atlantic Records and was the man responsible for signing Bon Jovi. His brother, bass player Ray, became a pretty good producer - he produced the first Sugarcubes album, which introduced the world to Bjork.

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Belafon  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:56:58pm

re: #72 makeitstop

Goddamned coward.

And I think the rest of the world just learned a lesson.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:57:30pm

The President of the United States is insane.

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makeitstop  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:57:40pm

re: #101 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The banjo is a percussion instrument with strings.

So’s a snare drum. :)

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Sir John Barron  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:57:53pm

re: #100 The Vicious Babushka

.@POTUS: “I don’t think Iran is in compliance… President Obama in his wisdom gave them $150 billion. He gave them $1.8 billion in cash.” pic.twitter.com

— Fox News

Attacking his predecessor in month 7. Still. But this probably isn’t even in the top 50 of awful things he’s done today.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:58:39pm

re: #96 ObserverArt

I got to see them one time. Great band. I remember every one switching off on instruments, etc. Very talented group of musicians and singers. I think I still have three or four vinyls LPs of GG.

We were fans of obscure British prog-rock bands that were unknown in America, big into Genesis, Supertramp and Pink Floyd before they started filling stadiums, and other obscure ones like GG and Lyndisfarne who never made a big splash across the pond…

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EPR-radar  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:58:56pm

re: #111 b.d. (bill d.)

The President of the United States is insane.

We can go further than that. tr*mp is insane, evil, willfully stupid, narcissistic and psychopathic. For starters.

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wrenchwench  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:59:00pm

re: #112 makeitstop

So’s a snare drum. :)

So’s a piano.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:59:17pm

re: #112 makeitstop

So’s a snare drum. :)

strings and frets!

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gocart mozart  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:59:29pm
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ObserverArt  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:59:38pm

re: #101 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The banjo is a percussion instrument with strings.

Oh, so you use all your toes too!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 10, 2017 • 1:59:49pm

re: #116 wrenchwench

So’s a piano.

yes, something I only grew to appreciate when I started listening to the greats of Jazz piano

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makeitstop  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:00:18pm

re: #116 wrenchwench

So’s a piano.

So’s a dulcimer! Where’s Anymouse? He woulda said that.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:00:30pm
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ObserverArt  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:01:15pm

re: #102 Stanley Sea

Talking about how he won

Is he overheating and smoking yet? (Not watching)

Sorta sound like the Trump motherboard is burning up. He may begin to melt.

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wrenchwench  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:01:48pm

re: #121 makeitstop

So’s a dulcimer! Where’s Anymouse? He woulda said that.

But a harpsichord is a plucked string instrument.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:01:57pm

re: #122 FormerDirtDart

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I’m not surprised they fired him but I can’t understand why they hired him in the first place?

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Stanley Sea  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:02:24pm

re: #125 b.d. (bill d.)

I’m not surprised they fired him but I can’t understand why they hired him in the first place?

Both sides.

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makeitstop  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:03:58pm

re: #124 wrenchwench

But a harpsichord is a plucked string instrument.

So’s a clavinet.

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Jebediah, RBG  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:04:54pm

re: #47 SteelPH

I’m sure he’s salivating at the thought of nuclear war with North Korea.

Disgusting and pretty probable.

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JordanRules  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:04:59pm

re: #122 FormerDirtDart

Well this was inevitable. Fuck him and CNN for hiring him.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:05:21pm

re: #126 Stanley Sea

Both sides.

That f*cking balance fairy again?

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Stanley Sea  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:05:31pm

I can imagine after that the phones are burning up with calls from our allies.

But no one is answering.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:06:44pm

Anyone notice the sheepish look on McMaster’s face. Dude sold his soul to his sense of duty.

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wrenchwench  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:07:20pm

re: #127 makeitstop

So’s a clavinet.

Stretched my knowledge.

Stevie Wonder - Superstition (Only Clavinet Take 3)

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makeitstop  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:09:03pm

re: #133 wrenchwench

Stretched my knowledge.

[Embedded content]

Video

I was thinking ‘Higher Ground’ as an example, but yeah. Same deal.

Clavinet is basically a harpsichord with a pickup.

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ObserverArt  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:09:28pm

re: #112 makeitstop

So’s a snare drum. :)

Heh.

I heard something the other day about John Bonham. Supposedly he tightened his lower heads of all his drums as tight as he could and “tuned” only the top heads. That was said to give him the bigger sound.

I haven’t tried it yet, but I am going to mess with it.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:09:45pm

re: #123 ObserverArt

Is he overheating and smoking yet? (Not watching)

Sorta sound like the Trump motherboard is burning up. He may begin to melt.

No way. Those Z80* chips don’t put out enough power to get hot.

* - apologies to my old TRS-80 Model 3 which was a great old computer.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:10:04pm
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ObserverArt  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:10:35pm

re: #114 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We were fans of obscure British prog-rock bands that were unknown in America, big into Genesis, Supertramp and Pink Floyd before they started filling stadiums, and other obscure ones like GG and Lyndisfarne who never made a big splash across the pond…

Remember the Strawbs? I thought of them the other night.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:12:13pm

re: #80 Ace-o-aces

Internet, you know what to do.

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makeitstop  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:12:14pm

re: #138 ObserverArt

Remember the Strawbs? I thought of them the other night.

Wakeman played for them before he joined Yes.

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JordanRules  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:12:53pm
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dangerman  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:13:30pm

re: #111 b.d. (bill d.)

The President of the United States is insane.

next, let’s see if we can elect a ham sandwich

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ObserverArt  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:14:48pm

re: #121 makeitstop

So’s a dulcimer! Where’s Anymouse? He woulda said that.

Well, if’n we are going down that road…Larry Graham, Stanley Clarke and Jaco Pastorius all made the electric bass percussive too.

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makeitstop  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:14:51pm

re: #142 dangerman

next, let’s see if we can elect a ham sandwich

American electorate: ‘Hold muh beer.’

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:16:54pm

re: #80 Ace-o-aces

Internet, you know what to do.

[Embedded content]

Feezus Jucking Key-Rye-st!

Benjyboy once again proves he’s too f’n stupid to realize the opening he gave folks to shred him to pieces!

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makeitstop  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:17:02pm

re: #143 ObserverArt

Well, if’n we are going down that road…Larry Graham, Stanley Clarke and Jaco Pastorius all made the electric bass percussive too.

Don’t forget these guys!

The Brothers Johnson - I’ll Be Good To You 1976

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dangerman  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:17:49pm

re: #114 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We were fans of obscure British prog-rock bands that were unknown in America, big into Genesis, Supertramp and Pink Floyd before they started filling stadiums, and other obscure ones like GG and Lyndisfarne who never made a big splash across the pond…

followed elvis costello (dont hurt me) when he was playing movie theaters in upstate new york. middle class white kids sporting $2 used suits from salvation army

opening act The Rubinoos

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EPR-radar  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:17:49pm

re: #142 dangerman

next, let’s see if we can elect a ham sandwich

POTUS Ham Sandwich would be infinitely less troublesome than POTUS Fuckface von Clownstick.

The only way to get something worse than tr*mp is to see what eldritch horrors make it out of future GOP presidential primary races.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:18:24pm
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FormerDirtDart  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:20:01pm
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Chrysicat  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:21:07pm

re: #147 dangerman

Why would anyone hurt you?

I know it’s prolly fighting words, but to me he’s more qualified to earn one-word-reference as Elvis than Presley is :-P

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ObserverArt  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:21:09pm

re: #146 makeitstop

Don’t forget these guys!

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Yeah…I was gonna put in an asterik to say there were others.

Also, I am not sure, but I am kind of guessing Stanley and Jaco heard them some Sly and The Family and got to work. So, Graham may be the daddy of thump bass. Not sure if he is credited that way. But I think of it that way. Saw Sly and Gang in 72 and they were the bomb. And Graham stood out live…like really stood out.

And two all-white Acoustic 360 setups did help!

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EPR-radar  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:21:17pm

re: #149 Charles Johnson

In other words, CNN is OK with proto-Nazi shit that gets 99.999% of the way to pure Nazism, but draws the line at the salute. Presumably the swastika is also right out.

This is obviously about deniability as opposed to any real principles.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:23:41pm

YUP

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Varek Raith  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:23:44pm

Trump; Renovator of the Nuclear.
Or something.

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Jebediah, RBG  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:24:40pm

re: #112 makeitstop

So’s a snare drum. :)

Has anyone ever put snare wires on a kick drum?

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dangerman  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:24:52pm

re: #146 makeitstop

Don’t forget these guys!

[Embedded content]

the hair.
outstanding!!!

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makeitstop  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:25:31pm

re: #150 FormerDirtDart

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Nothing like a nice relaxing trip at sea.

////

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Varek Raith  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:26:21pm

re: #158 makeitstop

Nothing like a nice relaxing trip at sea.

////

Yaaarrrr!

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Stanley Sea  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:26:32pm

re: #155 Varek Raith

Trump; Renovator of the Nuclear.
Or something.

I died when he said that. It was in response to his bullshit claim that he made our arsenal better (good q from reporter btw)

He reverts back to what he knows. Renovation of club houses.

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dangerman  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:26:36pm

re: #149 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]The outright lies, personal attacks and shameless propagandizing were no problem, but CNN draws the line at Nazi salutes.

waiting to learn where congress’s “do not cross” line

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dangerman  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:29:02pm

re: #151 Chrysicat

Why would anyone hurt you?

I know it’s prolly fighting words, but to me he’s more qualified to earn one-word-reference as Elvis than Presley is :-P

the only elvis in our house

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Charles Johnson  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:29:37pm

WTF

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EPR-radar  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:30:35pm

re: #161 dangerman

waiting to learn where congress’s “do not cross” line

Congressional Republicans will not abandon tr*mp unless they see tr*mp poll badly among their own Republican constituents.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:31:53pm

re: #154 Stanley Sea

YUP

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ObserverArt  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:31:59pm

And Chuck Todd goes on like all of this is just normal political moves and methods, though they just may be a little out of the norm.

Yeah, I am watching. I wanted to see how he would handle some of this. Haven’t watched him on his daily show in some time.

Bah!

As well as MSNBC is doing, I don’t get why NBC doesn’t see that Todd just isn’t good at this. He tries too hard to be snappy with his “cool dude” delivery and friendly banter as he thanks guests. And he normalizes stuff into mud.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:32:52pm

re: #165 Stanley Sea

So in addition to everything else, he’s started plagiarizing from Chuck Tingle.

That’s low.

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dangerman  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:33:06pm

re: #163 Charles Johnson

WTF

[Embedded content]Totally fine with this red line. Astonished by your careless response. Gross and dumb.

mr “totally fine” totally misses the point

it’s about all the red lines/red flags before this one ya melonhead

i swear im thinking of opening my first twitter account just so i can end every tweet with “ya melonhead”

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Stanley Sea  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:33:27pm

re: #167 The Ghost of a Flea

So in addition to everything else, he’s started plagiarizing from Chuck Tingle.

That’s low.

He’s crazy & South Korea is on the phone.

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ObserverArt  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:34:17pm

re: #163 Charles Johnson

WTF

[Embedded content]

You’re having quite the time with Twitter these days.

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dangerman  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:34:59pm

re: #164 EPR-radar

Congressional Republicans will not abandon tr*mp unless they see tr*mp poll badly among their own Republican constituents.

i know this is true and every time i hear it i have a new sad for the institution that was Congress

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Stanley Sea  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:35:18pm

the poll ended

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nines09  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:35:22pm

re: #75 ObserverArt

You are too kind.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:37:30pm

South Korea is on the fucking phone

And, Doctor Sleep was terrifyingly good

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Charles Johnson  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:37:53pm
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EPR-radar  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:38:05pm

re: #171 dangerman

i know this is true and every time i hear it i have a new sad for the institution that was Congress

The loss of Congress, the judiciary and the presidency as reasonable institutions can all be blamed on the Republicans. They have turned into a death-cult wrecking ball that demolishes everything that interferes with tax cuts, wars and scapegoating others.

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Varek Raith  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:38:16pm

re: #165 Stanley Sea

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My eyes rolled across the floor when I heard that.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:39:33pm

It’s going to come from within.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:40:27pm

re: #166 ObserverArt

My guess is upper-level management is still wavering between thirst for more ad-share and fear of losing viewers from being accused of further “bias.” With the lagniappe that access journalism is fundamentally flawed by the power it grants to interviewees—particularly those who are part of a bloc—to create narratives and not expect pushback.

Basically, they’re thinking about news as a product, not as…news. It’s not a loss leader anymore.

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Jay C  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:41:52pm

re: #172 Stanley Sea

the poll ended

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Jeez, talk about push-polling! I’m surprised it wasn’t phrased as:

“Who do you trust to tell the American People the truth? The lying, biased haters at CNN, or our noble dedicated President?”

And even so, Trump loses out…. Heh.

Isn’t Kelli Ward the AZ wingnut who (when she’s not trying to get the nom for a Senate run) suggested that Sen. McCain retire immediately so that she could get appointed to his seat?

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Charles Johnson  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:42:03pm

I just don’t get some people.

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lawhawk  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:43:55pm

Salt and grains, but I can totally envision this:

I’d be fine with any of those folks running. I also know that there’s a certain contingent of the purity brigade who will attack them for not being sufficiently liberal, or not paying fealty to Lord Baelish.

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JordanRules  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:43:59pm

re: #181 Charles Johnson

Normalizing asshole.

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ObserverArt  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:45:11pm

re: #173 nines09

You are too kind.

Thanks.

I was going to mention that image you had up the other day of you out playing. You reminded me of one of my favorite local Ohio guitarists with your look.

Maybe you know of him. I imagined you being able to play some similarly.

Some solo:

Phil Keaggy Live Concert and Q&A

Some old Glass Harp at Jorma’s Fur Peace Ranch:

Glass Harp - Children’s Fantasy - Live at Fur Peace Ranch

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Stanley Sea  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:45:59pm

re: #180 Jay C

Jeez, talk about push-polling! I’m surprised it wasn’t phrased as:

“Who do you trust to tell the American People the truth? The lying, biased haters at CNN, or our noble dedicated President?”

And even so, Trump loses out…. Heh.

Isn’t Kelli Ward the AZ wingnut who (when she’s not trying to get the nom for a Senate run) suggested that Sen. McCain retire immediately so that she could get appointed to his seat?

Yep, that’s her. Her poll crossed #theresistance timeline

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Charles Johnson  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:46:11pm
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451_Montag  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:47:00pm

re: #122 FormerDirtDart

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Jeffery Lord is the wankiest wanker. A Nazi in a wankers clothing.

I probably dislike him the most of all the Trump apologists, and therefore am glad that he has gone.

Wanker

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dangerman  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:47:42pm

re: #176 EPR-radar

The loss of Congress, the judiciary and the presidency as reasonable institutions can all be blamed on the Republicans. They have turned into a death-cult wrecking ball that demolishes everything that interferes with tax cuts, wars and scapegoating others.

i know im becoming a johnny one-note on this and i’ll get it out of my system soon and move on to some other outrage

trumps just one grifter who fooled a lot of people. hes totally self absorbed. but he’s just one.

congress is a lot of moving parts. he moves in and they abdicate at the same time - its like most of them gave up on caring about the going concern/history/future/legacy/continuity of the republic at all

i dont know if it’s because of trump or in spite of. the timing…

they tried to rein in obama and couldnt.
they’re not trying to do anything here and they so easily could.

trump is not helping them get what they want. nor with how history will view them

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jaunte  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:48:02pm
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Skip Intro  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:48:06pm

re: #187 451_Montag

So when do they hire Roger Stone?

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JordanRules  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:48:11pm

re: #186 Charles Johnson

Well fuck. I got nuttin Charles. You let him know very nicely what you meant even though it was clear as day.
Cut that one loose!

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Stanley Sea  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:49:52pm

The yam talked about how the repeal & replace should have been on his desk day one.

He forgot all his own campaign promises made over and over.

Gah I cannot this fuck.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:51:13pm

re: #98 Charles Johnson

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god forbid that we spend that amount on healthcare for Americans, or infrastructure, or other useless stuffs like that…

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Varek Raith  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:52:39pm

re: #193 Backwoods_Sleuth

god forbid that we spend that amount on healthcare for Americans, or infrastructure, or other useless stuffs like that…

MUSHROOM CLOUDS FOR EVERYONE!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:52:48pm

re: #101 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The banjo is a percussion instrument with strings.

I really do love my banjo.
(the resonator banjo and lessons to play it were my 50th BD pressie to myself lo those many years ago.)

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EPR-radar  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:53:36pm

re: #188 dangerman

i know im becoming a johnny one-note on this and i’ll get it out of my system soon and move on to some other outrage

trumps just one grifter who fooled a lot of people. hes totally self absorbed. but he’s just one.

congress is a lot of moving parts. he moves in and they abdicate at the same time - its like most of them gave up on caring about the going concern/history/future/legacy/continuity of the republic at all

i dont know if it’s because of trump or in spite of. the timing…

they tried to rein in obama and couldnt.
they’re not trying to do anything here and they so easily could.

trump is not helping them get what they want. nor with how history will view them

To borrow from Ayn Rand (ugh)

You have destroyed all that which you held to be evil and achieved all that which you held to be good. Why, then, do you shrink in horror from the sight of the world around you? That world is not the product of your sins, it is the product and the image of your virtues. It is your moral ideal brought into reality in its full and final perfection.

Thus with Congressional Republicans vs. tr*mp and the tr*mp supporters.

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451_Montag  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:54:27pm

re: #190 Skip Intro

So when do they hire Roger Stone?

If that happens I’ll take it as a sign that America truly is over as a superpower

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wrenchwench  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:54:30pm

re: #186 Charles Johnson

[Perhaps you should be less Trumpian and clarify, if not apologize. But hey I just lost my entire Dad’s family and I’m just one person.]

He misunderstood, can’t back down, feels too smart and too sad for himself, needs a hug. But not from you, because it’s your fault (somehow) he misunderstood .

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nines09  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:55:53pm

re: #184 ObserverArt

First off; That’s Phil “effing” Keaggy. I’m flattered. But if looks could have taken me further, I would right now be in the south pacific somewhere.
He’s using a looper and an Ebow. look it up.
I play in a cover band to hopefully drunk people. We sound better.
It’s come to this..
But I make beer money.
Tales I could tell.
Wait a minute…..he stole my look…
No. Sorry. That’s talent. He’s probably a musician. Me, I’m just a guitarist.
Thank you. Now tip heavy and be a buy me a shot….

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JordanRules  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:56:20pm

Notice he says payroll and other very particular business terms (many seem outdated) that are familiar to him.
He wouldn’t even be impressive as an Enterprise level CEO.

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EPR-radar  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:56:52pm

re: #197 451_Montag

If that happens I’ll take it as a sign that America truly is over as a superpower

That’s mostly a done deal. Japan and South Korea would be idiotic not to go nuclear on their own, since the US is so demonstrably untrustworthy.

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ObserverArt  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:58:02pm

re: #175 Charles Johnson

How the Jeffrey Lord experience started: CNN took requests from Trump himself on who they should hire

How pathetic.

Groveling doesn’t cover this.

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makeitstop  Aug 10, 2017 • 2:58:02pm

re: #199 nines09

First off; That’s Phil “effing” Keaggy. I’m flattered. But if looks could have taken me further, I would right now be in the south pacific somewhere.
He’s using a looper and an Ebow. look it up.
I play in a cover band to hopefully drunk people. We sound better.
It’s come to this..
But I make beer money.
Tales I could tell.
Wait a minute…..he stole my look…
No. Sorry. That’s talent. He’s probably a musician. Me, I’m just a guitarist.
Thank you. Now tip heavy and be a buy me a shot….

And remember - the more you drink, the better we sound! :)

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nines09  Aug 10, 2017 • 3:02:01pm

re: #203 makeitstop

And remember - the more you drink, the better we sound! :)

Back when …………………………..our rallying cry when we had the floor jammed was “GET DRUNK AND BE SOMEBODY!”

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ObserverArt  Aug 10, 2017 • 3:02:17pm

re: #188 dangerman

i know im becoming a johnny one-note on this and i’ll get it out of my system soon and move on to some other outrage

trumps just one grifter who fooled a lot of people. hes totally self absorbed. but he’s just one.

congress is a lot of moving parts. he moves in and they abdicate at the same time - its like most of them gave up on caring about the going concern/history/future/legacy/continuity of the republic at all

i dont know if it’s because of trump or in spite of. the timing…

they tried to rein in obama and couldnt.
they’re not trying to do anything here and they so easily could.

trump is not helping them get what they want. nor with how history will view them

I think the Republican Congress is paralyzed. They really have no clue what they are doing and how they got to this point.

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dangerman  Aug 10, 2017 • 3:03:20pm

re: #196 EPR-radar

i suppose so

and now i’ve got to make white clam sauce linguine and dive into those slow roasted summer tomatoes

back post food

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ObserverArt  Aug 10, 2017 • 3:03:40pm

re: #193 Backwoods_Sleuth

god forbid that we spend that amount on healthcare for Americans, or infrastructure, or other useless stuffs like that…

Awwww…he’s just being choosy of who he likes to see killed and how.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 10, 2017 • 3:12:25pm

re: #206 dangerman

i suppose so

and now i’ve got to make white clam sauce linguine and dive into those slow roasted summer tomatoes

back post food

Post a pic!!!!

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EPR-radar  Aug 10, 2017 • 3:12:46pm

re: #205 ObserverArt

I think the Republican Congress is paralyzed. They really have no clue what they are doing and how they got to this point.

They aren’t just paralyzed. Impeaching tr*mp and removing him from office is a no-brainer, especially if it is done before splash damage from the tr*mp/Russia investigation visibly hits Pence.

The fact that Congressional Republicans show no signs of taking this obviously necessary step means they own this. The only ‘check and balance’ vs. the president is the Congressional power of impeachment. The 25th amendment is no substitute, since that relies on the cabinet, and said cabinet can be (and presently is) stuffed with grovelers and bootlickers for the president.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 10, 2017 • 3:13:02pm

Now he’s thanking other countries for kicking out diplomats!

For the love of Christ GOP, 25th Amendment this disaster already.

What in the blazing hell more is it going to take?

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EPR-radar  Aug 10, 2017 • 3:14:25pm

re: #210 Eclectic Cyborg

Now he’s thanking other countries for kicking out diplomats!

For the love of Christ GOP, 25th Amendment this disaster already.

What in the blazing hell more is it going to take?

Impeach. Congress must act. Expecting a cabinet appointed exclusively based on personal loyalty to tr*mp to turn on him is even less likely than impeachment.

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ObserverArt  Aug 10, 2017 • 3:14:38pm

re: #199 nines09

First off; That’s Phil “effing” Keaggy. I’m flattered. But if looks could have taken me further, I would right now be in the south pacific somewhere.
He’s using a looper and an Ebow. look it up.
I play in a cover band to hopefully drunk people. We sound better.
It’s come to this..
But I make beer money.
Tales I could tell.
Wait a minute…..he stole my look…
No. Sorry. That’s talent. He’s probably a musician. Me, I’m just a guitarist.
Thank you. Now tip heavy and be a buy me a shot….

Very familiar with both loopers and ebows.

So, you do know him. Good to know. He is under the radar to a lot of people, yet one of the best (of so many).

Being from Ohio, I probably saw Glass Harp 10 times, even playing at my Catholic High School. Saw him a couple times in guitar demonstrations and as a Christian music guitar god too. That band could jam. Their transitions from song to song live were some of the best jams ever. I’ve even seen them mentioned as a jam band.

I played in original bands for the door. Did it more as an artist statement, but we (four different bands) never got booed or laughed off. And we always had people saying we were uh, different…in a good way.

To me, all musicians are good musicians. (Sorta like all good dogs.)

It’s why I still play and have a little studio in my bomb shelter basement.

I’d love to buy you a shot…or three.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 10, 2017 • 3:15:02pm

re: #210 Eclectic Cyborg

Now he’s thanking other countries for kicking out diplomats!

For the love of Christ GOP, 25th Amendment this disaster already.

What in the blazing hell more is it going to take?

I’m now seriously wondering how many Republican Senators and Congressmen are being blackmailed by Putin…

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Jay C  Aug 10, 2017 • 3:15:37pm

re: #205 ObserverArt

I think the Republican Congress is paralyzed. They really have no clue what they are doing and how they got to this point.

I doubt that very much. They may have been (temporarily) stymied by the failure of TrumpCare - with its follow-on (negative) effects on their tax-cut/kill-regulation agenda; but the House and Senate GOP Blocs are 1) still intact; 2) still a majority; 3) still highly-disciplined (for the most part): they still, also, retain the capacity to push through a great deal of damaging legislation - at least as far as “law and order” and “social” issues are concerned (iow, bashing POC and facilitating discrimination): and it’s hard to imaging “President” Trump vetoing much, if anything they might come up with.
The present Congressional GOP, I think, has only one fear: losing their seats, either to Democrats, or, more likely, to even-more-rabid Trumprrhoids. And I’m not all that sanguine about the chances for 2018.

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JordanRules  Aug 10, 2017 • 3:16:05pm
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Decatur Deb  Aug 10, 2017 • 3:16:20pm

It took the loss of a second Japanese city. Do you think the GOP is any less intransigent?

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makeitstop  Aug 10, 2017 • 3:17:01pm

re: #213 Joe Bacon 🌹

I’m now seriously wondering how many Republican Senators and Congressmen are being blackmailed by Putin…

All of them, Katie.

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makeitstop  Aug 10, 2017 • 3:18:07pm

re: #215 JordanRules

A cool stunt would be for a group of alt-right You Tubers to sneak into North Korea to own the libs right now.

That would be cool, seeing them all executed as spies…

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Stanley Sea  Aug 10, 2017 • 3:18:15pm

re: #211 EPR-radar

Impeach. Congress must act. Expecting a cabinet appointed exclusively based on personal loyalty to tr*mp to turn on him is even less likely than impeachment.

And has been noted, the GOP will use the ‘if you let a democratic congress be elected, they will take down our leader.’

All hands on deck.

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EPR-radar  Aug 10, 2017 • 3:19:27pm

re: #215 JordanRules

I fail to see how seeing some US RWNJ idiots get murdered by the North Korean regime would lead to libs being ‘owned’.

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EPR-radar  Aug 10, 2017 • 3:20:21pm

re: #218 makeitstop

That would be cool, seeing them all executed as spies…

Bonus point if NK uses anti-aircraft guns for this, and posts video on YouTube.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 10, 2017 • 3:20:46pm

re: #215 JordanRules

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I see a bumper crop of Darwin Award winners…

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wheat-dogg  Aug 10, 2017 • 3:22:35pm

re: #215 JordanRules

Some college kid thought it would be a cool stunt to enter an off-limits part of the Pyongyang hotel he was in and steal a picture off the wall. Did not turn out well for him.

Besides, it’s not easy to sneak into North Korea.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 10, 2017 • 3:22:41pm

Paraphrase but damn close from the press conference that produced 35 news stories:

‘it was amazing! you never see a governor switch parties! It was unheard of! LIKE SOMETHING YOU’VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE’

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EPR-radar  Aug 10, 2017 • 3:23:02pm

re: #219 Stanley Sea

And has been noted, the GOP will use the ‘if you let a democratic congress be elected, they will take down our leader.’

All hands on deck.

One conference call from the Koch brothers, the Mercers et al. would have Fox News and the right wing noise machine singing mostly in tune that tr*mp is a liberal Democrat who has betrayed conservatism and must be replaced with Pence.

And yet the rage that one felt was an abstract, undirected emotion which could be switched from one object to another like the flame of a blowlamp. — 1984

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Kragar  Aug 10, 2017 • 3:23:18pm
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Scottish Dragon  Aug 10, 2017 • 3:23:27pm

re: #72 makeitstop

Goddamned coward.

I really want to know just how bad that kompromat that Russia has on him is.

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451_Montag  Aug 10, 2017 • 3:25:02pm

re: #201 EPR-radar

That’s mostly a done deal. Japan and South Korea would be idiotic not to go nuclear on their own, since the US is so demonstrably untrustworthy.

I still see a way out of this mess. What I think will happen is that Putin will decide to throw him under a bus. He’ll see a constitutional crisis as a benefit to Russia, as much as Trump fucking things up is. If Mueller comes through Putin will cut and run.

The thing is I could imagine a crisis allowing a quick reset. The GOP, bless their little cotton socks probably want him gone as well, it isn’t business as usual for them. But they dare not light the fuse themselves as the core Trump Crazies will work to destroy them. But if an external source throws matches the GOP will probably be happy to take a short term beating for the ability to actually survive as a viable party. They can’t afford to accept the situation as it is but they equally can’t afford to do anything about it. The way I see if it’s like a pressure vessel. Stays strong right up until it breaks. It wouldn’t surprise me that we’ll wake up one day and see a few of them saying enough is enough. Once that happens Trump will be gone in days. He has no allies in government who count.

Hell i’d even better the GOP would like to lose the mid terms just to let the Dems sort the mess out.

My 2 cents

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EPR-radar  Aug 10, 2017 • 3:26:01pm

re: #227 Scottish Dragon

I really want to know just how bad that kompromat that Russia has on him is.

It’s probably no great surprise. tr*mp is likely financially owned by his Russian masters, and is permitted to play the role of an independently rich person only because that is useful for the owners’ money laundering operations.

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Scottish Dragon  Aug 10, 2017 • 3:27:00pm

re: #215 JordanRules

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JordanRules  Aug 10, 2017 • 3:29:36pm

re: #220 EPR-radar

It’s a play on the ‘if Obama/liberals said start doing *insert life sustaining thing here*, GOPers would stop doing it’ thing.
I’ve also seen it done in the reverse. “Don’t drink bleach!!”
I don’t want any Americans or world citizens killed. I’m not a Republican.

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KGxvi  Aug 10, 2017 • 3:30:01pm

re: #209 EPR-radar

They aren’t just paralyzed. Impeaching tr*mp and removing him from office is a no-brainer, especially if it is done before splash damage from the tr*mp/Russia investigation visibly hits Pence.

The fact that Congressional Republicans show no signs of taking this obviously necessary step means they own this. The only ‘check and balance’ vs. the president is the Congressional power of impeachment. The 25th amendment is no substitute, since that relies on the cabinet, and said cabinet can be (and presently is) stuffed with grovelers and bootlickers for the president.

The 25th Amendment wasn’t designed for a situation like this. It was intended for cases where the president was physically/medically unable to be president - a la Wilson.

Using the 25th Amendment in a case like Trump would lead to a complete clusterfuck. Pence and the Cabinet inform Congress that Trump can’t carry out the duties of the office. Trump immediately sends a letter saying he’s fine, and before the Cabinet says he’s not, he fires anyone that voted against him. Or, the Cabinet has a letter ready and sends a second one, requiring Congress to vote. Congress votes within 3 weeks saying Trump isn’t able to carry out his duties as president. Then he sends another letter saying he is, and Congress has to vote again, every three weeks or so, until the end of the term. There’s also the question of what happens if a Cabinet member resigns - does Pence, as Acting President, have authority to fill the vacancy? Or, can Pence, as Acting President, fire the Cabinet (or even just those who didn’t vote to say Trump was unfit) and appoint replacements?

It’s impeachment or bust.

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JordanRules  Aug 10, 2017 • 3:30:21pm

re: #223 wheat-dogg

Oh I remember that.

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EPR-radar  Aug 10, 2017 • 3:30:44pm

re: #228 451_Montag

If Putin is going to dump tr*mp, he will need to act fast. A shooting war between at least the US and North Korea could begin any day now, and after that all bets are off.

Worst case scenario is probably if the North Korean provocation is crazy enough that tr*mp gets the benefit of a ‘rally around the flag’ effect.

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makeitstop  Aug 10, 2017 • 3:31:11pm

re: #227 Scottish Dragon

I really want to know just how bad that kompromat that Russia has on him is.

Dead hooker bad.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 10, 2017 • 3:31:23pm

re: #186 Charles Johnson

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Bruce must be a diehard Bernie bro.

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KGxvi  Aug 10, 2017 • 3:32:57pm

re: #235 makeitstop

Dead hookerS bad.

edited for accuracy

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 10, 2017 • 3:33:38pm

re: #224 Stanley Sea

$4.5 billion huh? If I remember correctly, didn’t President Obama offer the coal industry something similar to actually help the coal workers transition into higher-paying jobs in renewables? And that the Republicans said “Fuck off.”?

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BeachDem  Aug 10, 2017 • 3:34:44pm

re: #165 Stanley Sea

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These responses kinda say it all:

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ObserverArt  Aug 10, 2017 • 3:35:18pm

re: #234 EPR-radar

If Putin is going to dump tr*mp, he will need to act fast. A shooting war between at least the US and North Korea could begin any day now, and after that all bets are off.

Worst case scenario is probably if the North Korean provocation is crazy enough that tr*mp gets the benefit of a ‘rally around the flag’ effect.

Do you think both Russia and China would just stand back and watch us make a terrible mistake and fools of ourselves?

North Korea may be a pain in their butts too. They can watch and criticize. Harshly.

And laugh.

Seems to me a big fuck-up by America can give both years of political mileage. Hell, they may be working this thing together.

It all comes down to: with Trump who the hell knows.

Not a good position to be in for anyone.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Aug 10, 2017 • 3:35:28pm

re: #205 ObserverArt

More cynical take:

Somewhere between half and 90% know exactly how they got here. What unified the total cynics, the true believers, and the nihilists is that Trump was their Golden Ticket to get shit shoved through without oversight.

They’re not paralyzed because they can’t figure out how to stop him, they’re paralyzed because individually, collectively, and in various shared-interest blocs, they are doing cost/benefit analysis of:

(1) Can we put a yoke on this populism?
(2) Can we ride his personal brand to great money and/or power?
(3) Can I get my particular obsession pushed into law?
(4) Is this shit helping the soft coup we’ve been pulling?
(5) How fucked is my career if I oppose this guy, with his crazy fucking grudges?
(6) How fucked am I because I depend on a voting base that has no ethos other than voting for whoever feeds their vindictiveness, and they love this shit?

…and they’re not all coming up with the same numbers.

This happens in authoritarian power cadres: everybody periodically freezes and tries to figure out how the intrigue will work out, and play accordingly. Each individual has their preoccupations that they want at the top of the pile, and there’s no actual group loyalty—just relative loyalty because of a shared set of folk devils—so each power struggle becomes an exercise in trimming the edges off of one’s general principles in the hope of getting more resources for their MacGuffin.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 10, 2017 • 3:35:45pm
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KGxvi  Aug 10, 2017 • 3:35:59pm

re: #234 EPR-radar

If Putin is going to dump tr*mp, he will need to act fast. A shooting war between at least the US and North Korea could begin any day now, and after that all bets are off.

Worst case scenario is probably if the North Korean provocation is crazy enough that tr*mp gets the benefit of a ‘rally around the flag’ effect.

North Korea shares a border with Russia, I’m sure Putin would love a few hundred thousand refugees pouring across that border. About as much as China would enjoy even more refugees coming across their border.

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EPR-radar  Aug 10, 2017 • 3:40:28pm

re: #240 ObserverArt

Russian and China could very easily be working behind the scenes here. Best case for them is probably for tr*mp to stupidly commit a flagrant war crime. That pretty much kills US soft power dead internationally for decades, possibly forever.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 10, 2017 • 3:42:00pm

re: #242 FormerDirtDart

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Can’t see a picture of Gorka without remembering Flip Wilson and his epic “Great Shaggy Klarn” episode on Carson.

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451_Montag  Aug 10, 2017 • 3:42:49pm

re: #234 EPR-radar

If Putin is going to dump tr*mp, he will need to act fast. A shooting war between at least the US and North Korea could begin any day now, and after that all bets are off.

Worst case scenario is probably if the North Korean provocation is crazy enough that tr*mp gets the benefit of a ‘rally around the flag’ effect.

I’d out believe Trump would actually take the responsibility of a pre-emptive strike. I’m looking at his statements as big boy toy threats to sue. Threats to look bigly tough. My worry is that he’ll push NK into doing something. I don’t think they will as they’ve rattled sabres before. But who knows at this point..

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 10, 2017 • 3:43:02pm

Wilmer Hale is no longer accepting payments made in rubles or bundles of blood soaked hryvnia…

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Amory Blaine  Aug 10, 2017 • 3:43:50pm

Good to see Kelly has a grip on the situation.

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ObserverArt  Aug 10, 2017 • 3:44:33pm

re: #244 EPR-radar

Russian and China could very easily be working behind the scenes here. Best case for them is probably for tr*mp to stupidly commit a flagrant war crime. That pretty much kills US soft power dead internationally for decades, possibly forever.

More for the Republican congress to consider.

We are already into degrees of damage the Orange Menace has created and how long it will take to get over.

Like others are saying above…it now comes down to the Republican congress to decide when to step in (it).

They get to judge how far they are going to fuck this all up and how long it will last.

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Amory Blaine  Aug 10, 2017 • 3:46:01pm

re: #244 EPR-radar

Russian and China could very easily be working behind the scenes here. Best case for them is probably for tr*mp to stupidly commit a flagrant war crime. That pretty much kills US soft power dead internationally for decades, possibly forever.

Plus, leaving the TPP.

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JordanRules  Aug 10, 2017 • 3:46:10pm

I see Congress as partially paralyzed by a straight up inability to govern and lead. This is partially the Tea Party empowered Congress who only know opposition, grift and exploitation.

I also see no big consensus or great leaders grounded in anything other than the now.

Congress also mirrors the WH in having a few factions that aren’t easily complimentary. This IS their WH after all. They own it.
So you have the true believers, true grifters, true idiots, true Nazis and a truly privileged class. So I see the Bannon-White Nationalist goon squad as the only one who benefits when chaos is the only thing winning. Destruction really doesn’t matter to them. I’d say the true Nazis and some of the true believer group in Congress play the same role. And yeah, I think a few are hella compromised.

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piratedan  Aug 10, 2017 • 3:46:22pm

re: #227 Scottish Dragon

I think we find out that:

1) he is poor
2) has a couple of mildly embarrassing phobias that he would just as soon not have known
3) is insecure

and that the Russians are well acquainted with all three items and leverage them accordingly to essentially make him theirs to control.

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451_Montag  Aug 10, 2017 • 3:46:51pm

re: #247 FormerDirtDart

Wilmer Hale is no longer accepting payments made in rubles or bundles of blood soaked hryvnia…

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Isn’t part of a deal often the sacking of counsel? I seem to remember reading about Sammy “The Bull” Gravano of Gotti game having to do it, as well as a few other Cosa Nostra?

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Skip Intro  Aug 10, 2017 • 3:46:54pm

re: #249 ObserverArt

Yet the Republicans running for a new office next year are even crazier than the ones running in 2016 were.

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dangerman  Aug 10, 2017 • 3:47:37pm

re: #245 Decatur Deb

Can’t see a picture of Gorka without remembering Flip Wilson and his epic “Great Shaggy Klarn” episode on Carson.

Ahead of his time in many ways

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 10, 2017 • 3:48:04pm
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Kragar  Aug 10, 2017 • 3:48:45pm
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makeitstop  Aug 10, 2017 • 3:49:16pm

re: #247 FormerDirtDart

Wilmer Hale is no longer accepting payments made in rubles or bundles of blood soaked hryvnia…

This thread may have something to do with it, although I’m not sure what.

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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 10, 2017 • 3:49:20pm

Scenario-
If NK launched a demonstration nuke near Guam, say it goes off so high or far enough at sea that nobody is directly injured, or they try to attack and our defenses shoot them down… What would Obama do? What would you suggest? I’d think we would/should still be very limited in response.

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ObserverArt  Aug 10, 2017 • 3:49:32pm

re: #254 Skip Intro

Yet the Republicans running for a new office next year are even crazier than the ones running in 2016 were.

I guess that is part of how far they are going to actually go before they hit the wall. Head-on.

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Skip Intro  Aug 10, 2017 • 3:49:34pm

re: #256 FormerDirtDart

And Russians and Chinese and South Koreans. Fuck ‘em all, eh Fox? Support Trump no matter what.

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KGxvi  Aug 10, 2017 • 3:50:13pm

re: #252 piratedan

The funny part is, anyone who pays even the slightest attention to Trump knows that he’s insecure.

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EPR-radar  Aug 10, 2017 • 3:52:06pm

re: #246 451_Montag

I’d out believe Trump would actually take the responsibility of a pre-emptive strike. I’m looking at his statements as big boy toy threats to sue. Threats to look bigly tough. My worry is that he’ll push NK into doing something. I don’t think they will as they’ve rattled sabres before. But who knows at this point..

The problem is that the NK threat to launch missiles near Guam is very provocative. IMO if that were done it would cross the line for just about any US administration and we’d be in a war.

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 10, 2017 • 3:52:42pm

So. How is that John Kelly thing working out?

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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 10, 2017 • 3:53:20pm

re: #257 Kragar

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ObserverArt  Aug 10, 2017 • 3:53:53pm

re: #264 Ace Rothstein

So. How is that John Kelly thing working out?

Who?

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JordanRules  Aug 10, 2017 • 3:56:32pm
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EPR-radar  Aug 10, 2017 • 3:56:41pm

re: #259 Unshaken Defiance

Scenario-
If NK launched a demonstration nuke near Guam, say it goes off so high or far enough at sea that nobody is directly injured, or they try to attack and our defenses shoot them down… What would Obama do? What would you suggest? I’d think we would/should still be very limited in response.

It might be reasonable to have a limited and proportionate military response if the NK missiles were unarmed, but if they were nuclear missiles I wouldn’t see any reason to hold back.

Nobody in the cold war detonated nuclear explosions a few miles away from the adversary’s territory, and that’s really not the kind of thing to let slide.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 10, 2017 • 3:56:55pm

Feeling really special right now. We got a large colorful postcard From ex-Chief Justice Roy Moore, and a “Confidential” posting from Paul Ryan. It even has a “DEADLINE FOR REPLY”, and cost 8 cents to mail at the non-profit rate. Got to admit, there is no profit in him.

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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 10, 2017 • 3:57:58pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 10, 2017 • 4:02:56pm

re: #268 EPR-radar

I would hope we would not go nuclear short of a damaging hit, but that puts days between attack and major response. I would also hope as crazy as it sounds that China would roll troops on him if he looked to launch a nuke. It would be so damaging to them if NK absorbed a counterstrike.

This is why is have supported missile defense and conventional ballistic forces. Every President deserves to have a fast conventional option so as to leave the guy with the football seated on the chair undisturbed.

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JordanRules  Aug 10, 2017 • 4:04:56pm
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Interesting Times  Aug 10, 2017 • 4:05:54pm

re: #267 JordanRules

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Decatur Deb  Aug 10, 2017 • 4:05:57pm

re: #271 Unshaken Defiance

I would hope we would not go nuclear short of a damaging hit, but that puts days between attack and major response. I would hope as crazy as it sounds that China would roll troops on him if he looked to launch a nuke. It would be so damaging to them if NK absorbed a counterstrike.

This is why is have supported missile defense and conventional ballistic forces. Every President deserves to have a fast conventional option so as to leave the guy with the football seated on the chair undisturbed.

Under Bill Clinton, we stepped back from a launch-on-warning posture because our forces had become robust enough to ride out a first strike and still respond overwhelmingly. So waiting for the hit is current policy, if policy is worth shit any more.

en.wikipedia.org

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EPR-radar  Aug 10, 2017 • 4:07:11pm

re: #271 Unshaken Defiance

I would hope we would not go nuclear short of a damaging hit, but that puts days between attack and major response. I would hope as crazy as it sounds that China would roll troops on him if he looked to launch a nuke. It would be so damaging to them if NK absorbed a counterstrike.

This is why is have supported missile defense and conventional ballistic forces. Every President deserves to have a fast conventional option so as to leave the guy with the football seated on the chair undisturbed.

We’re really in uncharted territory here. Even sending unarmed missiles to Guam is a big fucking deal. We’d have no way of being sure they aren’t aimed at Guam until too late to do anything about it if they were.

The US and USSR did missile demonstrations of range and accuracy as part of the cold war chest thumping, but the targets were never so close to the other sides’ territory as this (unless I’ve completely missed part of the cold war madness story).

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Kragar  Aug 10, 2017 • 4:09:15pm
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Decatur Deb  Aug 10, 2017 • 4:11:19pm

re: #275 EPR-radar

Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery
None but ourselves can free our minds
Have no fear for atomic energy
‘Cause none of them can stop the time

Redemption Song | Playing For Change

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 10, 2017 • 4:11:33pm

I was never very fond of W, but I never supported his impeachment.

Trump, on the other hand, needs to fucking go.

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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 10, 2017 • 4:11:33pm

re: #271 Unshaken Defiance

That’s a deal I’d make to the Chinese after a provocation like launching at Guam. We don’t strike back at all if they take care of the problem Seize all his nukes and gear, wreck it all under inspection. Nobody gets nuked, Seoul does not get barraged. Take away Kim and the NK nuke weapons program the Asia becomes a far safer place. Nobody loses but Kim.

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JordanRules  Aug 10, 2017 • 4:14:33pm

re: #277 Decatur Deb

Ooh good ear worm!

Gonna listen to some more Bob now.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 10, 2017 • 4:15:02pm

Politico reports that Manafort’s new counsel “specializes in complicated financial crimes”

Which is handy, because apparently, so does Manafort.

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EPR-radar  Aug 10, 2017 • 4:15:35pm

re: #279 Unshaken Defiance

That’s a deal I’d make to the Chinese after a provocation like launching at Guam. We don’t strike back at all if they take care of the problem Seize all his nukes and gear, wreck it all under inspection. Nobody gets nuked, Seoul does not get barraged. Take away Kim and the NK nuke weapons program the Asia becomes a far safer place. Nobody loses but Kim.

Most likely China would say no to this deal, but it couldn’t hurt to propose this (not that tr*mp would ever do anything so sensible).

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Decatur Deb  Aug 10, 2017 • 4:15:35pm

re: #280 JordanRules

Ooh good ear worm!

Gonna listen to some more Bob now.

Smoke ‘em if you got ‘em.

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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 10, 2017 • 4:15:46pm

re: #275 EPR-radar

We’re really in uncharted territory here. Even sending unarmed missiles to Guam is a big fucking deal. We’d have no way of being sure they aren’t aimed at Guam until too late to do anything about it if they were.

The US and USSR did missile demonstrations of range and accuracy as part of the cold war chest thumping, but the targets were never so close to the other sides’ territory as this (unless I’ve completely missed part of the cold war madness story).

Guam has THAAD, very likely to impact the incoming RV’s. Fingers crossed, that’s a better system than Alaska and Vandenberg. Hell AEGIS out of Japan may have a swing at anything from NK to Guam. I think Japan already promised a shoot down of any missile that overflys it. Presumably we could soon tell what the warheads were.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 10, 2017 • 4:16:34pm

re: #282 EPR-radar

Most likely China would say no to this deal, but it couldn’t hurt to propose this (not that tr*mp would ever do anything so sensible).

But I thought Trump always made the best deals?

/////////////////////

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JordanRules  Aug 10, 2017 • 4:16:47pm

re: #283 Decatur Deb

Blaze one for the nation!

Errr…maybe that one sounds a lil too cryptic right now.

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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 10, 2017 • 4:17:22pm

re: #282 EPR-radar

Most likely China would say no to this deal, but it couldn’t hurt to propose this (not that tr*mp would ever do anything so sensible).

That’s where we can say do it or expect warmer weather to your south. Because at that point the threat must be ended.

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Chrysicat  Aug 10, 2017 • 4:18:01pm

re: #272 JordanRules

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How much longer before there’s profit in re-starting that book line?

Every time the Rs seem to have hit bottom––

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JordanRules  Aug 10, 2017 • 4:20:52pm

re: #288 Chrysicat

Ha! You know I was thinking about that in connection with this…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 10, 2017 • 4:21:11pm

re: #288 Chrysicat

How much longer before there’s profit in re-starting that book line?

Every time the Rs seem to have hit bottom––

I know which state they’ll start with.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 10, 2017 • 4:22:31pm

re: #289 JordanRules

But, you know, racism was all but dead before Obama was elected.

At least, that’s what some white people told me.

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Amory Blaine  Aug 10, 2017 • 4:23:34pm

Charlottesville prepares for a white nationalist rally on Saturday

For the second time in six weeks, Charlottesville is bracing for a protest of its decision earlier this year to remove a statue of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee from a downtown park. White nationalists, white supremacists and members of alt-right groups — a small, far-right movement that seeks a whites-only state — will gather in the city at noon Saturday for the Unite the Right rally to voice opposition to the decision and assert itself as a movement.

The planned event — and one held July 8 by the Ku Klux Klan for the same purpose — has sparked fierce opposition in this town of close to 50,000. Large counterdemonstrations are planned by a collection of faith-based groups, civil rights organizations, local businesses, and faculty and students at the University of Virginia, which is located in the city.

The convergence of potentially thousands of protesters and counterdemonstrators has left many city leaders, residents and business owners worried about possible violence and property damage in the typically tranquil community.

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EPR-radar  Aug 10, 2017 • 4:23:48pm

re: #287 Unshaken Defiance

That’s where we can say do it or expect warmer weather to your south. Because at that point the threat must be ended.

Here again having tr*mp as POTUS is very painful. If China doesn’t play ball in this scenario and tr*mp nukes North Korea, half the US and most of the rest of the world will view the US as a rogue regime run by war criminals. tr*mp is categorically incapable of recognizing the importance of getting a reasonable amount of international and domestic agreement on something like this, and he wouldn’t be able to do it even if he tried.

For the Chinese regime, an isolated and greatly weakened US seems likely to be worth the refugee trouble etc.

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MsJ  Aug 10, 2017 • 4:23:52pm

re: #239 BeachDem

These responses kinda say it all:

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“What kind of shoes?”

ROTFLMFAO!! (Literal tears streaming down my face)

That right there is why I love twitter.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 10, 2017 • 4:26:15pm

Wait, so the guy who’s running the Trump Organization, to keep it separated from Trump, is getting memos from the National Security Council?

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Decatur Deb  Aug 10, 2017 • 4:26:56pm

re: #291 Blind Frog Belly White

But, you know, racism was all but dead before Obama was elected.

At least, that’s what some white people told me.

It was wounded and cowering. Now it has sheltering friends in high places.

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VegasGolfer  Aug 10, 2017 • 4:30:21pm

Could be real life?!?

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KGxvi  Aug 10, 2017 • 4:30:31pm

re: #295 Blind Frog Belly White

Why are NSC memos being sent to the president’s son?

A couple of theories:

1. Autofill on Outlook
2. Only one Donald Trump can read
3. They don’t fucking care
4. They are engaged in a criminal conspiracy
5. All of the above

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KGxvi  Aug 10, 2017 • 4:31:06pm

re: #297 VegasGolfer

Wait, that’s not from the Onion?

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VegasGolfer  Aug 10, 2017 • 4:32:11pm

re: #299 KGxvi

Its borowitz. But the line between satire and real life is blurred these days

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EPR-radar  Aug 10, 2017 • 4:35:02pm

re: #295 Blind Frog Belly White

I don’t have the words to express how comforting it is to have the NSC functioning like backstabbing cliques of high-schoolers as we head into a nuclear crisis situation vs. North Korea and possibly China.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 10, 2017 • 4:35:24pm

re: #297 VegasGolfer

Jared Kushner Calls Kim Jong-un “Totally Unqualified Person” Who Only Got Job Through Nepotism

Could be real life?!?

re: #299 KGxvi

Wait, that’s not from the Onion?

It’s Borowitz

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EPR-radar  Aug 10, 2017 • 4:39:53pm

re: #256 FormerDirtDart

The Fox News analyst not caring about mass casualties among North Koreans because they are North Koreans is callous and unhelpful. Pointing out that US troops are stationed in South Korea in response to this is true, relevant as a matter of US military reality, but remains callous and unhelpful.

I’m sure the rest of the world is very understanding about this business of only US war dead mattering to people in the US.

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fern01  Aug 10, 2017 • 4:41:45pm

My mother was 19 years old, finishing her 2nd year at teacher’s college and madly in love as WWII approached in 1939. She told me how she felt, how she prayed this would stop, how no-one believed this was going to happen.

This is how I feel at the present moment of time - with the exception that the maniac wanting the war is “supposedly” on our side.

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freetoken  Aug 10, 2017 • 4:42:33pm

re: #303 EPR-radar

It’s really no different than all the wingnuts who don’t mind killing Muslims over there somewhere.

What I don’t like is the weak sauce so many commenters, on TV or the radio or online, give in response to this sort of genocidal madness.

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Belafon  Aug 10, 2017 • 4:46:47pm

re: #239 BeachDem

Was a broken poolstick involved?

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plansbandc  Aug 10, 2017 • 4:47:44pm

The orange fascist has no love for this country. It is evident in his utter lack of respect for the government he was allegedly elected to lead. Nothing he does surprises me. It’s why I lost my goddamn mind over the possibility of him being elected.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 10, 2017 • 4:48:48pm

Good piece from Josh Marshall on the folly of acting tough when dealing with rogue nations you really don’t want to attack.

He discusses NK, and the ‘Agreed Framework’ of the Clinton years, which the Bush Administration looked for an excuse to abrogate, without any real way of keeping NK in line. This is the problem with an ‘act tough’ foreign policy - unless you’re willing to go to war, or have some other method of enforcing your will, your ability to actually make other countries do what you want is very limited. If you dump an imperfect deal without any way of securing a better one, then you have NO deal.

With NK, Clinton negotiated a lousy deal, but probably the best deal possible at the time. Did NK cheat? Well, maybe. But they were always going to do that. It’s what they do - push the envelope. You don’t abrogate the deal and then insist that they comply with your wishes as a condition of negotiation.

Now Trump wants to pull out of the Iran nuke deal. Not because he can get a better one, or even knows anything about it. He just doesn’t like it. The ways in which Republicans make the world a shittier place are innumerable.

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gocart mozart  Aug 10, 2017 • 4:48:55pm

re: #295 Blind Frog Belly White

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 10, 2017 • 4:51:31pm

re: #310 gocart mozart

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I see what he did there…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 10, 2017 • 4:52:31pm

this song from almost 50 years ago has been an annoying earworm for days now:

The Crazy World of Arthur Brown: Fire (1968) [High Quality Stereo Sound, Color, Subtitled]

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dangerman  Aug 10, 2017 • 4:52:47pm

re: #208 Joe Bacon 🌹

Post a pic!!!!


it was yum

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 10, 2017 • 4:54:15pm

re: #306 Belafon

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Was a broken poolsrick involved?

Speaks a language the North Koreans understand.

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JordanRules  Aug 10, 2017 • 4:55:49pm

SMH
It’s cool to have abuser of women on huh CNN.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 10, 2017 • 4:55:57pm
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gocart mozart  Aug 10, 2017 • 4:56:04pm

re: #226 Kragar

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Momkat56  Aug 10, 2017 • 4:57:12pm

re: #269 Decatur Deb

I got a robocall from Pat Boone (!) today, extolling the virtues of Big Luther Strange. I thought I was safe since I don’t watch local TV, but they were tricksy. It was like that pile-up on the interstate with all the body parts, the one you know you shouldn’t look at but can’t help yourself, so I listened. Between the eye rolling, the jaw dropping, and the head shaking in disbelief, I’m going to need a day or two to recover.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 10, 2017 • 4:59:52pm

re: #318 Momkat56

I got a robocall from Pat Boone (!) today, extolling the virtues of Big Luther Strange. I thought I was safe since I don’t watch local TV, but they were tricksy. It was like that pile-up on the interstate with all the body parts, the one you know you shouldn’t look at but can’t help yourself, so I listened. Between the eye rolling, the jaw dropping, and the head shaking in disbelief, I’m going to need a day or two to recover.

Well, at least that’s one track he didn’t steal from Little Richard.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 10, 2017 • 5:00:12pm

re: #318 Momkat56

I got a robocall from Pat Boone (!) today, extolling the virtues of Big Luther Strange. I thought I was safe since I don’t watch local TV, but they were tricksy. It was like that pile-up on the interstate with all the body parts, the one you know you shouldn’t look at but can’t help yourself, so I listened. Between the eye rolling, the jaw dropping, and the head shaking in disbelief, I’m going to need a day or two to recover.

Unless he’s got the Cloak Of Levitation, he won’t get MY vote!

Of course, he won’t in any case, since I live in a different state….

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dangerman  Aug 10, 2017 • 5:09:39pm

as i said, dinner was yum

just want to point out the over obvious, if we really do get past diplomacy being a solution:

if NK shoots something toward guam, depending on what it is, we dont *have* to retaliate with nukes

if somehow we’re ‘provoked’/forced into a ‘first strike’ or ‘warning’ maneuver - ie NK hasnt actually shot anything off, we dont necessarily have to use nukes there either

this doesnt mean they wouldnt respond nuclear. and still it doesnt consider what would happen re South Korea etc and all the conventional weapons amassed on the border

just that ‘we’ can/could drop/send/deliver lots of different things, and mass quantities, that arent nuclear

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 10, 2017 • 5:10:30pm

re: #257 Kragar

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makeitstop  Aug 10, 2017 • 5:14:07pm

re: #306 Belafon

[Embedded content]

Was a broken poolsrick involved?

If not, we could hand them out…

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EPR-radar  Aug 10, 2017 • 5:15:26pm

re: #321 dangerman

as i said, dinner was yum

just want to point out the over obvious, if we really do get past diplomacy being a solution:

if NK shoots something toward guam, depending on what it is, we dont *have* to retaliate with nukes

if somehow we’re ‘provoked’/forced into a ‘first strike’ or ‘warning’ maneuver - ie NK hasnt actually shot anything off, we dont necessarily have to use nukes there either

this doesnt mean they wouldnt respond nuclear. and still it doesnt consider what would happen re South Korea etc and all the conventional weapons amassed on the border

just that ‘we’ can/could drop/send/deliver lots of different things, and mass quantities, that arent nuclear

These are all sensible points that, most unfortunately, are much less likely to be relevant than tr*mp’s desire to play with the toys that make the really large explosions.

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makeitstop  Aug 10, 2017 • 5:21:14pm

re: #312 Backwoods_Sleuth

this song from almost 50 years ago has been an annoying earworm for days now:

[Embedded content]

A very young Carl Palmer played drums on that single.

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gocart mozart  Aug 10, 2017 • 5:33:16pm
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Teukka  Aug 10, 2017 • 9:23:01pm

re: #257 Kragar

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