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1
b_sharp  Aug 12, 2017 • 7:48:57pm

Hmm. Sitting in an empty room.

I could do whatever I want.

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 12, 2017 • 7:50:26pm

re: #1 b_sharp

Hmm. Sitting in an empty room.

I could do whatever I want.

Get your tan from sitting in the English rain….

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Kragar  Aug 12, 2017 • 7:50:41pm

re: #1 b_sharp

Hmm. Sitting in an empty room.

I could do whatever I want.

Anything?

Dirty Rotten Scoundrels - Oklahoma

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 12, 2017 • 7:52:36pm
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FormerDirtDart  Aug 12, 2017 • 7:52:51pm
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b_sharp  Aug 12, 2017 • 7:53:11pm

re: #3 Kragar

Anything?

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Video

I’ve already done it. And it was good.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 12, 2017 • 7:54:36pm

re: #4 FormerDirtDart

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Jefferson Beauregard Sessions is in charge. Somebody’s going to get a Safe Driving award.

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teleskiguy  Aug 12, 2017 • 7:55:17pm

re: #7 Decatur Deb

I’m tweeting this. Hope you don’t mind.

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Kragar  Aug 12, 2017 • 7:56:07pm
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electrotek  Aug 12, 2017 • 7:57:05pm

Repost from downstairs:

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Renaissance_Man  Aug 12, 2017 • 8:00:04pm

re: #6 b_sharp

I’ve already done it. And it was good.

The House to Yourself
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Kragar  Aug 12, 2017 • 8:00:52pm

Alex Jones’ wildly popular suite of Infowars supplements probably won’t kill you, but extensive tests provided to BuzzFeed News have shown that they’re little more than overpriced and ineffective blends of vitamins and minerals that have been sold in stores for ages.

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Lidane  Aug 12, 2017 • 8:01:05pm
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The Spite House  Aug 12, 2017 • 8:02:57pm

Good Popehat thread.

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Chrysicat  Aug 12, 2017 • 8:03:16pm

Mini-thread. Though part 2 of 2 might infuriate even most of us.

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Interesting Times  Aug 12, 2017 • 8:06:15pm
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Kragar  Aug 12, 2017 • 8:08:49pm
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Decatur Deb  Aug 12, 2017 • 8:10:33pm

Freepers have caught on to us—the Klan/Nazi/militia coalition and the BLM/Antifa protesters were both Soros operations.

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The Spite House  Aug 12, 2017 • 8:10:37pm
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teleskiguy  Aug 12, 2017 • 8:11:15pm

re: #18 Decatur Deb

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The Spite House  Aug 12, 2017 • 8:11:38pm

re: #18 Decatur Deb

Freepers have caught on to us—the Klan/Nazi/militia coalition and the BLM/Antifa protesters were both Soros operations.

wait wat

I mean, are you serious?

I didn’t expect them to condemn it, but they’re not embracing it? They’re…truthing this?!?

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b_sharp  Aug 12, 2017 • 8:11:53pm

re: #11 Renaissance_Man

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I’m all out of pie.

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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 12, 2017 • 8:12:01pm

I can’t help but think about the life lost while protesting today. Young lady. Casualty in our Uncivil war among ourselves. Mom? Sister? Wife?

Gone.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 12, 2017 • 8:12:38pm

re: #21 The Spite House

wait wat

I mean, are you serious?

I didn’t expect them to condemn it, but they’re not embracing it? They’re…truthing this?!?

Only some of them. Freep is broad-spectrum derp.

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teleskiguy  Aug 12, 2017 • 8:12:57pm

I want to post funny tweets. I can’t seem to find the will.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Aug 12, 2017 • 8:13:29pm

re: #17 Kragar

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Look how beat up that guy got from the crowd that blocked him in and attacked him. I think I see a fractured orbital eye socket.

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Lidane  Aug 12, 2017 • 8:13:29pm
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b.d. (bill d.)  Aug 12, 2017 • 8:15:44pm

re: #18 Decatur Deb

Freepers have caught on to us—the Klan/Nazi/militia coalition and the BLM/Antifa protesters were both Soros operations.

So it is Soros who is responsible for the both siderism of the USA?

That man is evil.

//

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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 12, 2017 • 8:16:50pm

re: #25 teleskiguy

Yeah I got funny in me tonight what with what happened.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 12, 2017 • 8:16:53pm

re: #28 b.d. (bill d.)

So it is Soros who is responsible for the both siderism of the USA?

That man is evil.

//

Had Firefly cancelled, too.

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teleskiguy  Aug 12, 2017 • 8:16:58pm

re: #27 Lidane

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EPR-radar  Aug 12, 2017 • 8:17:42pm

re: #16 Interesting Times

Finding plague in fleas or fauna isn’t all that unusual in the US southwest. So this is not something unpleasant reserved exclusively for 2017.

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The Spite House  Aug 12, 2017 • 8:18:14pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 12, 2017 • 8:18:37pm

re: #16 Interesting Times

Plague has never been wiped out. Rick Wilson’s snarky “2017 y’all” doesn’t really mean anything. The only diseases ever wiped out are smallpox and rinderpest (a livestock disease).

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Skip Intro  Aug 12, 2017 • 8:19:55pm

re: #16 Interesting Times

Good time to defund the CDC. Go Trump! Winning!

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teleskiguy  Aug 12, 2017 • 8:20:27pm
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teleskiguy  Aug 12, 2017 • 8:22:03pm

re: #31 teleskiguy

Dylann Roof was also radicalized online.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Aug 12, 2017 • 8:22:11pm

re: #32 EPR-radar

Finding plague in fleas or fauna isn’t all that unusual in the US southwest. So this is not something unpleasant reserved exclusively for 2017.

That is what I was thinking, a dozen or so folks get it in the US every year.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 12, 2017 • 8:27:06pm

pscp.tv

A person filming amongst IWW and Democratic Socialists in the anti-Klan and anti-fascist protest on Periscope was standing right next to the parked van and car when the wingnut drove his car into the crowd and the parked vehicles. (Appears at 7:35 in the Periscope video)

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teleskiguy  Aug 12, 2017 • 8:27:19pm

Richard Spencer is blaming local police for what happened today. I would post tweets, but fuck that guy.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 12, 2017 • 8:27:49pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 12, 2017 • 8:27:56pm

I thought I remembered something… Found it. When a drought breaks look out for all kinds of things. Rats, pestilence. It’s like the microbial world has a boon year.

Plague Pandemic May Have Been Driven by Climate, Not Rats

The bacteria responsible for the Black Death were reintroduced to Europe multiple times, possibly due to the changing climate

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Decatur Deb  Aug 12, 2017 • 8:29:01pm

re: #38 b.d. (bill d.)

That is what I was thinking, a dozen or so folks get it in the US every year.

DoD still inoculates for it, at least if you’re deploying to areas where it’s endemic.

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William Lewis  Aug 12, 2017 • 8:33:51pm

re: #23 Unshaken Defiance

I can’t help but think about the life lost while protesting today. Young lady. Casualty in our Uncivil war among ourselves. Mom? Sister? Wife?

Gone.

Bleeding Kansas is now Bleeding America.

“When will we ever learn?”

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b_sharp  Aug 12, 2017 • 8:35:14pm

I haven’t used the label asshat for weeks, not because the opportunity hasn’t presented itself but because there have been too many opportunities.

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Scottish Dragon  Aug 12, 2017 • 8:36:51pm

Rod Fucking DreherLink takes time out from pimping for fired google assholes for bothsidesdoit.

[NFR: Um, I did not and do not question the First Amendment right of the neo-Nazis to march. And the antifa terrorists are scum, like the fascists they despise. — RD]

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b_sharp  Aug 12, 2017 • 8:38:07pm

I’m going to bed & hope I do not have fights with Nazis in my dreams.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 12, 2017 • 8:40:10pm

re: #46 Scottish Dragon

Rod Fucking DreherLink takes time out from pimping for fired google assholes for bothsidesdoit.

Anti-fascists run over by car, fascist drives car over protesters.

Both sides do it.

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Kragar  Aug 12, 2017 • 8:40:31pm
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FormerDirtDart  Aug 12, 2017 • 8:40:31pm
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FormerDirtDart  Aug 12, 2017 • 8:41:35pm
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Scottish Dragon  Aug 12, 2017 • 8:41:55pm

re: #48 Anymouse 🌹

Anti-fascists run over by car, fascist drives car over protesters.

Both sides do it.

Rod makes no secret of the fact he thinks black lives matter is just as bad as the Klan.

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Scottish Dragon  Aug 12, 2017 • 8:48:07pm

I cannot believe I am endorsing the Weekly Standard.

weeklystandard.com

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 12, 2017 • 8:49:17pm

” CHARLOTTESVILLE, Va. — There was nothing haphazard about the violence that erupted today in this bucolic town in Virginia’s heartland. At about 10 a.m. today, at one of countless such confrontations, an angry mob of white supremacists formed a battle line across from a group of counter-protesters, many of them older and gray-haired, who had gathered near a church parking lot. On command from their leader, the young men charged and pummeled their ideological foes with abandon. One woman was hurled to the pavement, and the blood from her bruised head was instantly visible.

Standing nearby, an assortment of Virginia State Police troopers and Charlottesville police wearing protective gear watched silently from behind an array of metal barricades — and did nothing.

It was a scene that played out over and over in Charlottesville as law enforcement confronted the largest public gathering of white supremacists in decades. …”

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Belafon  Aug 12, 2017 • 8:50:16pm

Another thunderstorm rumbling through this area, and we are once again getting dumped on, just like we did earlier today. I live at the edge of the DFW area. A typical year, we have a dry season that starts in June and ends sometime in September. This year, I have run my sprinklers three weeks (one day each week), and I will need to turn them off so they don’t run on monday.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 12, 2017 • 8:51:59pm

re: #41 FormerDirtDart

She was 32. My age.

I don’t have a lot of words right now.

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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 12, 2017 • 8:53:00pm

re: #54 FormerDirtDart

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retired cynic  Aug 12, 2017 • 8:53:26pm

re: #56 klys (maker of Silmarils)

She was 32. My age.

I don’t have a lot of words right now.

She is going to haunt my dreams tonight. Along with all the others who were injured today, and last night. Tears.

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Kragar  Aug 12, 2017 • 8:54:19pm
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AaronFromToronto  Aug 12, 2017 • 8:55:08pm

My attitude toward Billy Talent in 2007: “More pop-punk whining. Yawn.”

My attitude toward Billy Talent in 2017: “Thank God, something with a decent guitar riff is getting radio play for once.”

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Targetpractice  Aug 12, 2017 • 8:57:17pm

re: #59 Kragar

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“FALSE FLAG!!!!”

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Kragar  Aug 12, 2017 • 8:58:50pm
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Charles Johnson  Aug 12, 2017 • 8:59:23pm
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FormerDirtDart  Aug 12, 2017 • 8:59:39pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 12, 2017 • 9:00:48pm

re: #58 retired cynic

She is going to haunt my dreams tonight. Along with all the others who were injured today, and last night. Tears.

May I have her courage, even as the times seem bleak.

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Belafon  Aug 12, 2017 • 9:00:55pm

re: #57 Unshaken Defiance

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It reminds me of what what I’ve read the country went through in the 60s, especially what blacks had to put up with as they fought for their rights. We can either view now as an end, a beginning, or a continuation and something we must fight for.

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ipsos  Aug 12, 2017 • 9:01:15pm

re: #58 retired cynic

“What if you knew her and
Found her dead on the ground?
How could you run when you know?”

Silly me, thinking they were singing about something that happened before I was even born.

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Kragar  Aug 12, 2017 • 9:01:17pm
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FormerDirtDart  Aug 12, 2017 • 9:02:33pm
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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 12, 2017 • 9:04:36pm

Jim Wright is breathing hellfire.

“Fuck the Confederacy. Every symbol of the Confederacy, every monument, every flag, every statue, should be pulled down, uprooted, smashed into rubble, and burned. Fuck Robert E. Lee, he was a traitor, pull down his statue, melt it down, recast it into urinals. Piss on the Confederacy.”

Facebook Post

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Kragar  Aug 12, 2017 • 9:06:09pm
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Belafon  Aug 12, 2017 • 9:06:27pm

Had a lightning bolt hit really close to the House, like 1 second close.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 12, 2017 • 9:06:33pm
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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 12, 2017 • 9:12:42pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 12, 2017 • 9:18:59pm

re: #73 Charles Johnson

Dickinson is an idiot. The governor’s state of emergency declaration did not make public assembly illegal. A state governor does not have the authority to suspend an amendment to the US Constitution.

The declaration made state resources available to manage the demonstrations.

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blueraven  Aug 12, 2017 • 9:19:56pm

Really disappointing with MSNBC. Had this been a so called “islamist terrorist” attack there would be wall to wall special live coverage. Instead, tonight…Lockup.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 12, 2017 • 9:21:43pm

I’m too old for another war.

“We go home by a path we do not know.” - Bloody Knife to Custer before the fight at Little Bighorn.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 12, 2017 • 9:23:58pm

re: #76 blueraven

Really disappointing with MSNBC. Had this been a so called “islamist terrorist” attack there would be wall to wall special live coverage. Instead, tonight…Lockup.

Andy Lack is interested in making MSNBC into FOX News Channel 2. He is not interested in presentation of the news. Despite his three evening hosts drawing the highest ratings in television (Maddow, O’Donnell, Hayes), Lack is insisting on either magic balancefairyism or conservative light.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 12, 2017 • 9:24:52pm

For those with skies as funky as ours, space.com and Slooh are livecasting the Perseids tonight.

space.com

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Kragar  Aug 12, 2017 • 9:26:03pm

re: #73 Charles Johnson

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 12, 2017 • 9:28:32pm

re: #77 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

I’m too old for another war.

“We go home by a path we do not know.” - Bloody Knife to Custer before the fight at Little Bighorn.

I’m not too old. I don’t want a war. That doesn’t mean I won’t stand up for the Constitution that all my life I affirmed to support and defend.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 12, 2017 • 9:28:49pm

re: #78 Anymouse 🌹

Andy Lack is interested in making MSNBC into FOX News Channel 2. He is not interested in presentation of the news. Despite his three evening hosts drawing the highest ratings in television (Maddow, O’Donnell, Hayes), Lack is insisting on either magic balancefairyism or conservative light.

Raggedybrain Andy is so proud of all that free TV time he gave to Trump during the campaign…

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jaunte  Aug 12, 2017 • 9:29:31pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 12, 2017 • 9:30:34pm

I sure hope Mr. Horse is ok after this ass fell off of him!

abcnews.go.com

Pat Robertson, the founder of the Christian Broadcasting Network and a familiar face on its flagship program The 700 Club, has been hospitalized, CBN announced Friday.

The 87-year-old, who also founded the private Christian university Regent University in Virginia Beach, Virginia, was hospitalized after falling while horseback riding.

“Horseback riding is one of Robertson’s greatest passions and at the age of 87 still enjoys riding on a regular basis,” said CBN, a 55-year-old global ministry.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 12, 2017 • 9:30:46pm

re: #73 Charles Johnson

Wasn’t Mr. Dickinson suspended from Twitter? And Twitter is allowing him to run a sock puppet account? (Let’s see, why would Twitter do that? Oh, money.)

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The Spite House  Aug 12, 2017 • 9:31:30pm
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Romantic Heretic  Aug 12, 2017 • 9:32:56pm

re: #54 FormerDirtDart

“This could have been a much worse day,” said Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe, “We planned for a long time for today’s incidents.”

Apparently, not very well.

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retired cynic  Aug 12, 2017 • 9:33:04pm

re: #84 Joe Bacon 🌹

I’m with the horse!!

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 12, 2017 • 9:34:37pm

FOX News Channel’s Website is reporting the conservative terror attack in Virginia mostly neutrally.

foxnews.com

I don’t know how their television network is reporting it, as I don’t own a television and we have no cable service here.

Way down at the bottom of the FOX article:

The crash sparked calls from several Republican lawmakers for a federal investigation of what they described as a domestic terror attack. However, federal law enforcement officials told Fox News that they were not yet responding because it was not clear the situation rose to that level.

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Kragar  Aug 12, 2017 • 9:35:25pm

re: #83 jaunte

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Decatur Deb  Aug 12, 2017 • 9:35:39pm

re: #87 Romantic Heretic

Apparently, not very well.

Possibly speaking relative to this:

en.wikipedia.org

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 12, 2017 • 9:38:05pm

From that FOX article:

Field’s mother, Samantha Bloom, told The Associated Press on Saturday night that she knew her son was attending a rally in Virginia but didn’t know it was a white supremacist rally.

“I thought it had something to do with Trump. Trump’s not a white supremacist,” Bloom said.

“He had an African-American friend so …,” she said before her voice trailed off. She added that she’d be surprised if her son’s views were that far right.

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Chrysicat  Aug 12, 2017 • 9:38:11pm

Oy, that Perez—Wiesel thread.

Or the BernieBro comments in it anyway…

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retired cynic  Aug 12, 2017 • 9:41:01pm

re: #93 Chrysicat

Oy, that Perez—Wiesel thread.

Or the BernieBro comments in it anyway…

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I’m not looking. I’d just get madder, and I’m letting the whiskey work on that situation.

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Kragar  Aug 12, 2017 • 9:41:44pm
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Targetpractice  Aug 12, 2017 • 9:42:22pm

re: #92 Anymouse 🌹

From that FOX article:

“He had a black friend!”

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Belafon  Aug 12, 2017 • 9:42:29pm

re: #93 Chrysicat

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Lidane  Aug 12, 2017 • 9:46:52pm
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Interesting Times  Aug 12, 2017 • 9:47:18pm
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retired cynic  Aug 12, 2017 • 9:47:27pm

re: #97 Belafon

I’d like to subvert him, by golly.

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Belafon  Aug 12, 2017 • 9:48:25pm

re: #100 retired cynic

I’d like to subvert him, by golly.

“Where’s your taxes, Bernie?”

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Interesting Times  Aug 12, 2017 • 9:49:36pm

Shade = thrown:

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retired cynic  Aug 12, 2017 • 9:50:46pm

re: #102 Interesting Times

Shade = thrown:

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I’ll vote for her!

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 12, 2017 • 9:55:56pm

re: #102 Interesting Times

Shade = thrown:

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Well, Ms. Yates is wrong. A significant portion of the nation’s electorate is exactly like the poison spewed by Nazis and Klansmen.

Today might be different if after the Confederacy was defeated, they were tried as traitors. I’m not sure though, since plenty of Nazis were convicted in Nuremberg and the ideology still lives on today.

The Ku Klux Klan and Nazi ideology are a set which pretty much includes the same ideas.

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Interesting Times  Aug 12, 2017 • 9:56:05pm

Wow. I must confess, he’s certainly not the first person who would’ve come to mind if I had to identify mainstream corporate journalists who are “woke”:

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The Spite House  Aug 12, 2017 • 9:56:11pm

omg this putz

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The Spite House  Aug 12, 2017 • 9:56:51pm

re: #105 Interesting Times

Wow. I must confess, he’s certainly not the first person who would’ve come to mind if I had to identify mainstream corporate journalists who are “woke”:

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Damn that’s a low fucking bar you’re setting for woke, no?

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Belafon  Aug 12, 2017 • 9:57:07pm

re: #104 Anymouse 🌹

Well, Ms. Yates is wrong. A significant portion of the nation’s electorate is exactly like the poison spewed by Nazis and Klansmen.

Today might be different if after the Confederacy was defeated, they were tried as traitors. I’m not sure though, since plenty of Nazis were convicted in Nuremberg and the ideology still lives on today.

The Ku Klux Klan and Nazi ideology are a set which pretty much includes the same ideas.

“America” in the abstract has always been more than the people at any given time, the most obvious example being our founding fathers talking about freedom.

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Targetpractice  Aug 12, 2017 • 9:57:38pm

re: #106 The Spite House

omg this putz

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I’m sure Michael has never felt himself compelled to wait for all the facts before declaring a brown man a terrorist.

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Belafon  Aug 12, 2017 • 9:59:33pm

re: #106 The Spite House

omg this putz

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I bet it’s real easy to find comments from Tracey calling attacks by nonwhites here and in Europe terrorist attacks well before the digital images dried.

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Kragar  Aug 12, 2017 • 9:59:51pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 12, 2017 • 10:00:13pm

re: #108 Belafon

“America” in the abstract has always been more than the people at any given time, the most obvious example being our founding fathers talking about freedom.

They were talking about freedom (and voting rights) for white property owning men.

Half the population (women) did not get the right to vote whether they owned property or not until 1920.

“America” has always included the ideas expressed in today’s act of terrorism by a conservative. Before it was Jim Crow and lynchings, before that the Civil War, before that the extermination of Native Americans, and before that conservatives supported the Crown.

Ms. Yates is wrong. America includes all of that.

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Interesting Times  Aug 12, 2017 • 10:00:27pm

re: #107 The Spite House

Damn that’s a low fucking bar you’re setting for woke, no?

Compared to the typical MSM both-sides-false-equivalence “Chuck Todd pearl-clutching at negative tone when HRC called out trump’s emboldening of white supremacists” blather? Harwood’s statement is downright bold.

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Targetpractice  Aug 12, 2017 • 10:02:54pm

re: #111 Kragar

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Ah, so on a day like today, Mike’s biggest concern is whether or not the media condemns “politial violence,” not if the president* will do so.

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Lidane  Aug 12, 2017 • 10:03:32pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 12, 2017 • 10:04:23pm

re: #115 Lidane

As noted yesterday, the Website is a spoof created by Funny or Die, not a so-called hack of Mike Pence’s official Website.

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The Spite House  Aug 12, 2017 • 10:06:16pm
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Kragar  Aug 12, 2017 • 10:06:34pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 12, 2017 • 10:06:42pm

re: #116 Anymouse 🌹

FunnyOrDie Video

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Kragar  Aug 12, 2017 • 10:11:19pm
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Jebediah, RBG  Aug 12, 2017 • 10:11:53pm

re: #109 Targetpractice

I’m sure Michael has never felt himself compelled to wait for all the facts before declaring a brown man a terrorist.

Or a brown grandma.

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The Spite House  Aug 12, 2017 • 10:21:55pm
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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 12, 2017 • 10:22:44pm

1 dead, 19 injured today, unknown number of injuries earlier. Sooner or later we will have an incident with dozens if not hundreds of deaths. I’m surprised it hasn’t happened yet. We need to be psychologically prepared when it happens. In particular, we will need to be prepared to oppose the drastic responses that opportunistic politicians will invariably propose. We can’t let it be a Reichstag fire.

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retired cynic  Aug 12, 2017 • 10:23:59pm

re: #122 The Spite House

“Ours” or another?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 12, 2017 • 10:24:22pm

re: #106 The Spite House

omg this putz

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He’s still traumatized from the smack down his third rate ass got from Maxine Waters!

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 12, 2017 • 10:24:47pm

re: #123 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

How about we stop tolerating Nazi marches which devolve into violent attacks and murder? How about starting out with the premise that we don’t allow hate groups to parade around?

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 12, 2017 • 10:26:50pm

re: #118 Kragar

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Hmmm. Forgot about the ACLU’s support of this mess.

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Belafon  Aug 12, 2017 • 10:28:24pm

re: #126 Patricia Kayden

How about we stop tolerating Nazi marches which devolve into violent attacks and murder? How about starting out with the premise that we don’t allow hate groups to parade around?

Nazi marches are protected by the first amendment, and, as long as they’re not violent, they’re allowed. Countering these will require larger crowds opposing them, to the point they avoid marching. In 1988, a KKK march through Abilene was canceled after they realized the counter-protest would be bigger than they were.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 12, 2017 • 10:28:25pm

re: #127 Patricia Kayden

Hmmm. Forgot about the ACLU’s support of this mess.

I haven’t. Still remember how the ACLU defended the rights of Nazis to march in Skokie back in the late 70s!

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 12, 2017 • 10:32:24pm

re: #126 Patricia Kayden

How about we stop tolerating Nazi marches which devolve into violent attacks and murder? How about starting out with the premise that we don’t allow hate groups to parade around?

re: #127 Patricia Kayden

Hmmm. Forgot about the ACLU’s support of this mess.

The American Civil Liberties Union does not support fascism or white nationalism. They support the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

Absent a ruling from the Supreme Court that such speech (not the subsequent violence) or an amendment to the Constitution, hate speech is protected I Amendment speech.

If you were to advance an amendment prohibiting hate speech, you would necessarily need the government to decide what hate speech is. At that instant, the notion of free speech is out the window.

The ACLU is not the problem here. Suppose for instance a person advocating abortion rights under such a putative “hate speech” amendment is considered engaging in hate speech against “unborn children.”

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William Lewis  Aug 12, 2017 • 10:34:30pm

re: #127 Patricia Kayden

Hmmm. Forgot about the ACLU’s support of this mess.

I haven’t. The Constitution is not intended to be a suicide pact and there are limits to free speech. White supremacists/Nazis/Confederates advocating violence and genocide are, in the old meaning of the word, outlaws - outside the protection of the law by their explicit actions.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 12, 2017 • 10:34:43pm

An analogous argument would be determining what is valid religious belief.

The Bible advocates genocide and slavery (both Testaments). Would you rule the Bible to be hate speech?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 12, 2017 • 10:34:44pm
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retired cynic  Aug 12, 2017 • 10:36:11pm

re: #130 Anymouse 🌹

Balafon is right. What happened was that the students were not on campus, so the counter-protesters were outnumbered Friday night, and the nazis were emboldened by being able to surround them with their tiki torches. We need better police/NG presence, that is prepared!, and then more numbers of counter-protesters.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 12, 2017 • 10:36:24pm

re: #131 William Lewis

I haven’t. The Constitution is not intended to be a suicide pact and there are limits to free speech. White supremacists/Nazis/Confederates advocating violence and genocide are, in the old meaning of the word, outlaws - outside the protection of the law by their explicit actions.

Yes: The limit is advocating for violence. Absent an explicit call for violence, speech is protected.

Back to the Bible, which explicitly advocates for violence (both Testaments). Should the Bible be outlawed as hate speech?

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 12, 2017 • 10:36:34pm

So maybe next time around, anti Nazi protesters should bring guns and weapons and both sides can shoot it out on the streets since we’re supposed to tolerate White Supremacist scum “protesting” in our streets. Perhaps that’s exactly what the US deserves. I’m sick of people defending White Supremacists. Violent people don’t deserve free speech rights. Period.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 12, 2017 • 10:37:52pm

re: #131 William Lewis

I haven’t. The Constitution is not intended to be a suicide pact and there are limits to free speech. White supremacists/Nazis/Confederates advocating violence and genocide are, in the old meaning of the word, outlaws - outside the protection of the law by their explicit actions.

Thank you. That’s exactly how I see it.

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William Lewis  Aug 12, 2017 • 10:38:24pm

re: #135 Anymouse 🌹

Ask someone else. They might be interested in your faith on that subject.

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jaunte  Aug 12, 2017 • 10:40:15pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 12, 2017 • 10:40:28pm

re: #136 Patricia Kayden

So maybe next time around, anti Nazi protesters should bring guns and weapons and both sides can shoot it out on the streets since we’re supposed to tolerate White Supremacist scum “protesting” in our streets. Perhaps that’s exactly what the US deserves. I’m sick of people defending White Supremacists. Violent people don’t deserve free speech rights. Period.

Who is advocating for white supremacists here? I’m advocating for free speech.

Throughout the slavery period and subsequent secession of Dixie states, every state cited the Bible as justification for both slavery and secession.

I do not advocate outlawing the Bible as hate speech, though I view it as such. I advocate putting forth better ideas.

Perhaps I am wrong here. Perhaps better ideas cannot win in a free society. But the second the government is outlawing what constitutes free speech, then we do not have free speech.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 12, 2017 • 10:40:49pm

re: #138 William Lewis

Ask someone else. They might be interested in your faith on that subject.

I do not have a “faith.”

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 12, 2017 • 10:41:48pm

re: #92 Anymouse 🌹

She is an idiot and her reaction to her son’s behavior perfectly explains how he turned out to be the scum that he is. She’s trying to rationalize and cover up for him instead of condemning him.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 12, 2017 • 10:46:57pm

re: #142 Patricia Kayden

She is an idiot and her reaction to her son’s behavior perfectly explains how he turned out to be the scum that he is. She’s trying to rationalize and cover up for him instead of condemning him.

Well, as a parent, I can understand how, if my son engaged in a heinous act, it would be difficult to condemn him. (I guess that falls under the Christian rubric “hate the sin, love the sinner.”)

Nevertheless, I can’t imagine myself telling the press “Trump can’t be a racist, he has a black friend.”

I can’t imagine defending my son’s actions (if he committed such a horrible act) or claiming “he couldn’t be that way.”

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EPR-radar  Aug 12, 2017 • 10:49:55pm

re: #131 William Lewis

I haven’t. The Constitution is not intended to be a suicide pact and there are limits to free speech. White supremacists/Nazis/Confederates advocating violence and genocide are, in the old meaning of the word, outlaws - outside the protection of the law by their explicit actions.

I’d love to censor the hell out of Fox News and take hate radio off the air, but we have to be realistic here. If we let the government get in the business of picking and choosing what speech is allowed, we aren’t going to like the results. Wingnuts will capture the Office of the Censor and we’ll be even more screwed than we are now. Especially at the state level. Imagine what the red states would be like with state-level thought control fully in place.

Edited to add: I should also say that my faith that good ideas will win out over bad ideas in a society with free speech is presently non-existent, although I would like for that to be true. So I’m perfectly prepared to entertain the idea of straight up government censorship if a case can be made that it would be a net benefit.

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teleskiguy  Aug 12, 2017 • 10:50:50pm

re: #133 GlutenFreeJesus

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Birth Control Works  Aug 12, 2017 • 10:51:04pm

re: #131 William Lewis

I haven’t. The Constitution is not intended to be a suicide pact and there are limits to free speech. White supremacists/Nazis/Confederates advocating violence and genocide are, in the old meaning of the word, outlaws - outside the protection of the law by their explicit actions.

Stealing another one from you.

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Birth Control Works  Aug 12, 2017 • 10:53:27pm

re: #132 Anymouse 🌹

An analogous argument would be determining what is valid religious belief.

The Bible advocates genocide and slavery (both Testaments). Would you rule the Bible to be hate speech?

Sadly, put God in the Constitution (which he/she/it is not currently, and you would have the most generic set of laws ever shown to work and it would be a religious document. Thus, we are not de jure a theocracy.

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freetoken  Aug 12, 2017 • 10:56:11pm

re: #131 William Lewis

The Constitution is not intended to be a suicide pact …

An interesting statement.

I’ve written before that I think the Constitution is out of date. It’s an 18th century effort which was designed with that problem you’ve pointed out.

The framers had to deal with the problem that the newly declared nation-state of the US might indeed commit suicide if they couldn’t get all the participants to agree.

It turns out that some of the new states’ representatives to the constitutional writing process were a bit AWOL. There was less involvement by the consensus than what we might presume now.

Even in the late 1780s the problem was the differences among the new states, and that not all citizens of the new country indeed thought the same thing about their new country.

The sort of forced knitting together of one legal document which would bind the states results in some gross compromises, from which we’re still suffering today.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Aug 12, 2017 • 10:58:23pm

re: #128 Belafon

I’m not 100% on this, but one of the things that was drifting about Charlottesville today was that the “marchers” largely ignored the safety instructions and the conditions set by their permit.

If this is true, then there is both a specific and general need to look at how there’s an unequal application of rigour (vetting) and force when dealing with crowds…and it should be shouted to the skies that these fucking assholes and their ilk were utterly contemptuous of the police, the law of the land, and the community they assembled in.

Lots of people want to believe that the “alt-right” fall inside the spectrum of normal behavior because it’s scary—and contrary to white America’s understanding of what America is. Like many scared, uncertain people, they’re cleaving to any data point that suggests everything is fine. (More generally, this explains the banality that allows the more sinister excuse making for “lone wolf” white supremacists, sovereign citizens, etc.)

Emphasizing that this is what fascists do is our best chance to illustrate the point. It’s machiavellian, but unfortunately most people don’t really have the strength of principles or the intellectual appreciation of the threat of fascism-as-ethos.

Law enforcement needs to stop being indulgent about armed white dudes engaged in posturing and threats. Local governments need to start saying “fuck off” when people like this want to assemble. Part of the danger is how unequally freedom of speech and freedom of assembly are applied, always in favor of this kind of reactionary impulse.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 12, 2017 • 10:58:29pm

re: #136 Patricia Kayden

So maybe next time around, anti Nazi protesters should bring guns and weapons and both sides can shoot it out on the streets since we’re supposed to tolerate White Supremacist scum “protesting” in our streets. Perhaps that’s exactly what the US deserves. I’m sick of people defending White Supremacists. Violent people don’t deserve free speech rights. Period.

Our nation’s laws punish actions, not ideas. You get punished for robbing a bank, for example, or planning to rob a bank, not thinking about robbing a bank.

There is the problem of “stochastic terrorism” (the idea that stoking violent rhetoric leads to violence, such as seen in Rwanda or Yugoslavia). Absent a law prohibiting stochastic terrorism (which would be troublesome to define) I am not sure how to deal with such speech other than more speech.

If there was a law calling certain rhetoric hate speech not deserving of protection or deserving jail time, you can bet it would be applied to people advocating for a woman’s right to seek abortion, for example.

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Birth Control Works  Aug 12, 2017 • 10:59:27pm

re: #148 freetoken

An interesting statement.

I’ve written before that I think the Constitution is out of date. It’s an 18th century effort which was designed with that problem you’ve pointed out.

The framers had to deal with the problem that the newly declared nation-state of the US might indeed commit suicide if they couldn’t get all the participants to agree.

It turns out that some of the new states’ representatives to the constitutional writing process were a bit AWOL. There was less involvement by the consensus than what we might presume now.

Even in the late 1780s the problem was the differences among the new states, and that not all citizens of the new country indeed thought the same thing about their new country.

The sort of forced knitting together of one legal document which would bind the states results in some gross compromises, from which we’re still suffering today.

You mean a relatively small group of the wealthy, landed, white, christian men decided the fate of a nation?

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Birth Control Works  Aug 12, 2017 • 11:00:57pm

re: #150 Anymouse 🌹

Our nation’s laws punish actions, not ideas. You get punished for robbing a bank, for example, or planning to rob a bank, not thinking about robbing a bank.

There is the problem of “stochastic terrorism” (the idea that stoking violent rhetoric leads to violence, such as seen in Rwanda or Yugoslavia). Absent a law prohibiting stochastic terrorism (which would be troublesome to define) I am not sure how to deal with such speech other than more speech.

If there was a law calling certain rhetoric hate speech not deserving of protection or deserving jail time, you can bet it would be applied to people advocating for a woman’s right to seek abortion, for example.

1000 up-dings for that one!

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EPR-radar  Aug 12, 2017 • 11:01:14pm

re: #148 freetoken

A good example of this is that the bill of rights as originally understood was mainly limitations on the power of Federal government (e.g., Congress shall make no law abridging freedom of speech…). So as of the founding, the states could censor as they pleased within their borders, if allowed by the state constitution. It wasn’t until passage of the 14th amendment that the guarantees in the bill of rights were uniformly applied to the states, and that only happened because of the upheavals of the civil war era.

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JordanRules  Aug 12, 2017 • 11:03:08pm

re: #149 The Ghost of a Flea

Your thoughtful comments today/tonight have been great to read.

Part of the danger is how unequally freedom of speech and freedom of assembly are applied, always in favor of this kind of reactionary impulse.

This is absolute fire. Whew.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Aug 12, 2017 • 11:04:21pm

re: #149 The Ghost of a Flea

Lagniappe: all of the above may amount to pissing in the wind, because there is a racial dimension to this.

What white people do is tagged as “normal”—or at least “more acceptable.” And when whites and non-whites do the same transgressive things, the former is given allowances withheld from the latter.

This trend is working in the favor of the alt-right. No matter how ugly they get, the heuristic is that the “other”—brown folks protesting, getting mad, maybe not behaving perfectly decorous—are worse or the origin of the problem.

Walmart Nazis should be scarier than Black Lives Matters, but folks just keep making excuses for them.

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Birth Control Works  Aug 12, 2017 • 11:04:45pm

re: #153 EPR-radar

A good example of this is that the bill of rights as originally understood was mainly limitations on the power of Federal government (e.g., Congress shall make no law abridging freedom of speech…). So as of the founding, the states could censor as they pleased within their borders, if allowed by the state constitution. It wasn’t until passage of the 14th amendment that the guarantees in the bill of rights were uniformly applied to the states, and that only happened because of the upheavals of the civil war era.

Whackos hate any amendment since the Civil War.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 12, 2017 • 11:05:12pm

re: #153 EPR-radar

Well, it would seem to wingnuts the only amendment that should have any force is the Second (and only the latter half of that amendment).

The rest is liberal SJW BS or something. Never mind the main body of the Constitution contains the mechanism to amend it.

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Single-handed sailor  Aug 12, 2017 • 11:05:24pm

re: #148 freetoken

An interesting statement.

I’ve written before that I think the Constitution is out of date. It’s an 18th century effort which was designed with that problem you’ve pointed out.

It’s better to leave it as it is. An Idiocracy can’t improve on what we have.

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retired cynic  Aug 12, 2017 • 11:07:12pm

re: #158 Single-handed sailor

It’s better to leave it as it is. An Idiocracy can’t improve on what we have.

I’m scared to pieces of what would happen with a constitutional convention, considering the gerrymandering and voter suppression we have going on.

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freetoken  Aug 12, 2017 • 11:07:16pm

re: #151 Birth Control Works

You mean a relatively small group of the wealthy, landed, white, christian men decided the fate of a nation?

Most of them were very progressive for their day. They were the educated elite of their day.

But that the Bill of Rights is appended to the Constitution itself reveals something important - that what occupied the minds of Jefferson and Madison was how to create a new type of government that absolutely was rejecting any hint of monarchy or Church. This was their concern - how to define a nation state on a new paradigm.

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EPR-radar  Aug 12, 2017 • 11:07:19pm

re: #149 The Ghost of a Flea


Law enforcement need to stop being indulgent about armed white dudes engaged in posturing and threats. Local governments need to start saying “fuck off” when people like this want to assemble. Part of the danger is how unequally freedom of speech and freedom of assembly are applied, always in favor of this kind of reactionary impulse.

For example, one can draw a straight line from the tepid official response to the Bundy Ranch goons to the brownshirts in Charlottesville running amok with law enforcement doing diddly/squat until confronted with vehicular homicide.

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retired cynic  Aug 12, 2017 • 11:08:17pm

...

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EPR-radar  Aug 12, 2017 • 11:11:20pm

re: #162 retired cynic

I’m scared to pieces of what would happen with a constitutional convention, considering the gerrymandering and voter suppression we have going on.

As I recall, the GOP is within a few dozen state legislature seats of having full control of enough state legislatures to call a constitutional convention independently of Congress (i.e., 2/3). Fortunately, anything that would come out of that shit show would still need to pass in 3/4 of the state legislatures to take effect.

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retired cynic  Aug 12, 2017 • 11:13:07pm

re: #163 EPR-radar

As I recall, the GOP is within a few dozen state legislature seats of having full control of enough state legislatures to call a constitutional convention independently of Congress (i.e., 2/3). Fortunately, anything that would come out of that shit show would still need to pass in 3/4 of the state legislatures to take effect.

Yep. My understanding, too.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Aug 12, 2017 • 11:16:35pm

re: #161 EPR-radar

I’ve been flabbergasted for years that two people left the Bundy Ranch standoff and shot cops on the Strip…actualizing the rhetoric they’d just been immersed in, and people didn’t line up the details.

It’s all fucking lazy narrative thinking and shitty tropes.

What I find amazing is how often sentimentalism and melodrama inform both reactionary groups and the people that normalize them. The Bundy saga was packaged as pastoralist twaddle, as is the whole “Sagebrush Rebellion,” but it fucking works because it hits cultural notes that people understand (and thus has verisimilitude). With the alt-right, there’s some version of this going down, too.

A big part of fascism elsewhere was the cult of tradition…which had fuck all to do with actual tradition, but was rather humorless pastiche and cliche. But people eat that shit up.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 12, 2017 • 11:17:51pm

re: #164 retired cynic

Yep. My understanding, too.

And the Koch Bros. and their associated think tanks and political action committees have been on the idea for a state-called constitutional convention for a while now.

You can bet if the Kochs and fellow travellers got their way, we would be a feudal state in the name of libertarianism.

I live in one of the very few red states that pays more in to the Federal government than it receives back. So far, this state also is opposed to the idea of a state-called constitutional convention.

(My job here I guess is to encourage the non-crazy conservatives.)

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Birth Control Works  Aug 12, 2017 • 11:18:18pm

re: #160 freetoken

Most of them were very progressive for their day. They were the educated elite of their day.

But that the Bill of Rights is appended to the Constitution itself reveals something important - that what occupied the minds of Jefferson and Madison was how to create a new type of government that absolutely was rejecting any hint of monarchy or Church. access to a certain amount of education, independence & experience at being un-monitored for more time than previous generations.

Being away from London and the King— and in a new, big and “wild” land created a kind of petrie dish for self-governing scenerios.

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Birth Control Works  Aug 12, 2017 • 11:20:20pm

bbl

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EPR-radar  Aug 12, 2017 • 11:21:13pm

re: #165 The Ghost of a Flea

I’ve been flabbergasted for years that two people left the Bundy Ranch standoff and shot cops on the Strip…actualizing the rhetoric they’d just been immersed in, and people didn’t line up the details.

It’s all fucking lazy narrative thinking and shitty tropes.

What I find amazing is how often sentimentalism and melodrama inform both reactionary groups and the people that normalize them. The Bundy saga was packaged as pastoralist twaddle, as is the whole “Sagebrush Rebellion,” but it fucking works because it hits cultural notes that people understand (and thus has verisimilitude). With the alt-right, there’s some version of this going down, too.

A big part of fascism elsewhere was the cult of tradition…which had fuck all to do with actual tradition, but was rather humorless pastiche and cliche. But people eat that shit up.

There is no doubt in my mind that the US is entering a period of time where its politics will be very similar to the politics of the Weimar Republic. As before, the Nazis will pretend to be participants in civil society only while they aren’t in a position to seize full power for themselves. Perhaps this menace gets beaten this time before we get to the worst case scenario. Perhaps not.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 12, 2017 • 11:23:08pm

re: #167 Birth Control Works

Being away from London and the King— and in a new, big and “wild” land created a kind of petrie dish for self-governing scenerios.

Or as John Stewart called the states: The meth labs of democracy.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 12, 2017 • 11:26:14pm

So, has anyone on social media blamed the upcoming total eclipse yet for today’s conservative terrorism in Virginia? That seems right up wingnut Christian allies.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 12, 2017 • 11:28:56pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  Aug 12, 2017 • 11:30:06pm

re: #169 EPR-radar

I keep thinking about how von Papen and his cadre decided that a small fringe party whose ridiculous leader had the gift of gab would be the perfect patsies to replace Hindenburg and usher in a new militarist, monarchist Germany.

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Kragar  Aug 12, 2017 • 11:30:59pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  Aug 12, 2017 • 11:31:41pm

re: #174 Kragar

Walmart Nazis.

I hate Walmart Nazis.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 12, 2017 • 11:32:24pm

re: #173 The Ghost of a Flea

I keep thinking about how von Papen and his cadre decided that a small fringe party whose ridiculous leader had the gift of gab would be the perfect patsies to replace Hindenburg and usher in a new militarist, monarchist Germany.

German magic balancefairyests at the time thought they could control Hitler.

Much like the GOP thinks about Trump today. Power is a helluva drug.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Aug 12, 2017 • 11:35:01pm

re: #176 Anymouse 🌹

Blast from the past.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 12, 2017 • 11:35:51pm
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petesh  Aug 12, 2017 • 11:42:46pm

re: #17 Kragar

{reposted from the dead thread]
I look at this face — the guy who drove the car — and … I feel sorry for the asshole loser that he appears to be. I actually want to hate him (for which I am ashamed) but I can’t. I guess I’ll save that for his surroundings.

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petesh  Aug 12, 2017 • 11:43:59pm

re: #41 FormerDirtDart

The victim looks like a person. The murderer doesn’t.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 12, 2017 • 11:45:40pm
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Targetpractice  Aug 12, 2017 • 11:48:09pm

re: #181 goddamnedfrank

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Of course Clarke is okay with this, because if Trump took issue with the Nazis, he might piss off their buddies in blue!

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JordanRules  Aug 12, 2017 • 11:49:14pm
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Kragar  Aug 12, 2017 • 11:49:18pm

re: #181 goddamnedfrank

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 12, 2017 • 11:53:55pm

re: #184 Kragar

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So there were two sides to what happened in Charlottesville? Really?

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 12, 2017 • 11:56:50pm

re: #179 petesh

{reposted from the dead thread]
I look at this face — the guy who drove the car — and … I feel sorry for the asshole loser that he appears to be. I actually want to hate him (for which I am ashamed) but I can’t. I guess I’ll save that for his surroundings.

I don’t want to hate him. (I do want to see him tried, and if found guilty, punished.)

I hate the ideology that warps young people into such hateful characters they would murder their fellow citizens who disagree with their opinions.

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William Lewis  Aug 12, 2017 • 11:58:42pm

re: #181 goddamnedfrank

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Boy, it really pisses him off that he isn’t even 10 % the man Obama is. Sad little thug of a sheriff.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 12, 2017 • 11:59:29pm

re: #185 Patricia Kayden

So there were two sides to what happened in Charlottesville? Really?

No. According to Mr. Trump, there were many violent sides, not two. (He condemned violence from many sides in his statement this afternoon.)

In the real world, there was only one violent side (the side that advocates driving over protesters). That would be the GOP (as evidenced by legislation brought in states such as South Dakota and Tennessee absolving people who do that).

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JordanRules  Aug 13, 2017 • 12:07:11am
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JordanRules  Aug 13, 2017 • 12:08:32am
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Dr Lizardo  Aug 13, 2017 • 12:08:50am

re: #50 FormerDirtDart

I’ve been thinking for the last several weeks that Bannon and his crew are the source of the leaks.

Well, if Trump shitcans him, good.

Even better? The white supremacist wing of Trump’s base will, with any luck, start turning against him; the Breitbrats will be apoplectic. That’s a good thing.

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unproven innocence  Aug 13, 2017 • 12:10:36am

re: #185 Patricia Kayden

So there were two sides to what happened in Charlottesville? Really?

Many sides, according our President Putin Handupme’s news conference statements.

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Single-handed sailor  Aug 13, 2017 • 12:12:50am

I don’t listen to Tommy as often as I should

The Who - Tommy (1969)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 13, 2017 • 12:15:35am

re: #37 teleskiguy

Dylann Roof was also radicalized online.

They generally don’t pick it up from hanging out with women…

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JordanRules  Aug 13, 2017 • 12:20:04am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 13, 2017 • 12:22:11am

re: #135 Anymouse 🌹

Yes: The limit is advocating for violence. Absent an explicit call for violence, speech is protected.

Back to the Bible, which explicitly advocates for violence (both Testaments). Should the Bible be outlawed as hate speech?

No, but the Koran should!

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 13, 2017 • 12:30:51am

re: #196 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

No, but the Koran should!

And there is the exact reason why I oppose the idea of the government deciding what is hate speech and what is not (aside from speech supporting abortion rights or contraception, which I imagine would be a no-brainer for conservatives to condemn).

If you can condemn one religious belief as “hate speech” and make it illegal (despite explicit protections of the I Amendment) you can condemn any religious belief (or worse, demand religious belief - see Saudi Arabia declaring atheism as advocating for terrorism, or the Malaysian MP yesterday calling for hunting down and killing atheists).

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 13, 2017 • 12:33:39am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 13, 2017 • 12:36:49am

re: #197 Anymouse 🌹

And there is the exact reason why I oppose the idea of the government deciding what is hate speech and what is not…

The counter-argument (or rather, talking point) is that America is a CHRISTIAN nation and these other, “lesser” do not enjoy any Constitutional protections.

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JordanRules  Aug 13, 2017 • 12:38:59am

!!!!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 13, 2017 • 12:39:51am

re: #198 goddamnedfrank

If you continually call people Nazis for months on end, what did you expect the outcome was going to be?

If people continually march with swastikas, what are you supposed to call them?

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 13, 2017 • 12:42:04am

re: #199 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The counter-argument (or rather, talking point) is that America is a CHRISTIAN nation and these other, “lesser” do not enjoy any Constitutional protections.

And the counter argument to that is the Constitution in no place names any religious faith, but does state there shall be no religious test for public office.

(That latter part was a bone of contention when I was elected, as the state constitution says you have to take an oath that includes “so help me God.” I noted to the village attorney that was unconstitutional and I would not do it. He contacted the state attorney general, who gave me a “dispensation” to affirm my oath rather than swear to God.)

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 13, 2017 • 12:47:45am

Filed under “conservatism”:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 13, 2017 • 12:49:38am

re: #202 Anymouse 🌹

And the counter argument to that is the Constitution in no place names any religious faith, but does state there shall be no religious test for public office.

The counter-counter argument is that the Bible (or rather, one’s bigoted, narrow-minded interpretation of it) comes first and the Constitution comes second.

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teleskiguy  Aug 13, 2017 • 12:52:20am

re: #203 Anymouse 🌹

Pardon me, but I thought you hated Twitter with every ounce of your being and would never post tweets you found at LGF.

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teleskiguy  Aug 13, 2017 • 12:53:57am

I hate hypocrites.

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Teukka  Aug 13, 2017 • 12:55:12am

re: #203 Anymouse 🌹

Filed under “conservatism”:

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Filed under Social Conservatism here as well.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 13, 2017 • 12:55:59am

re: #204 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The counter-counter argument is that the Bible (or rather, one’s bigoted, narrow-minded interpretation of it) comes first and the Constitution comes second.

And the counter-counter-counter argument is that the Bible is not mentioned either in the Declaration of Independence or the US Constitution. If the framers thought that the Bible was so important it should be a cornerstone of our nation’s basic law, they would have put the Bible in there.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 13, 2017 • 12:56:20am

re: #205 teleskiguy

Pardon me, but I thought you hated Twitter with every ounce of your being and would never post tweets you found at LGF.

In general, I believe that the less Twitter the better. Once in a while it is actually something worth re-posting.

What wears on me is re-posting idiocy just to prove that people are stupid and not afraid to let the world know how stupid they are.

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teleskiguy  Aug 13, 2017 • 12:58:27am

re: #209 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I hate that one rails endlessly over and over how evil Twitter is and then visiting the site and posting tweets one has found. That’s fucking hypocritical.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 13, 2017 • 12:58:51am

re: #208 Anymouse 🌹

And the counter-counter-counter argument is that the Bible is not mentioned either in the Declaration of Independence or the US Constitution. If the framers thought that the Bible was so important it should be a cornerstone of our nation’s basic law, they would have put the Bible in there.

I am just being Devil’s Advocate here, so to speak for the Fundamentalist Right, but the counter-counter-counter-counter argument here is that the Bible is God’s Eternal and Unchanging Word whereas the Constitution is a mere document made up by flawed human beings and continuously amended and re-interpreted.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 13, 2017 • 1:05:29am

re: #205 teleskiguy

Pardon me, but I thought you hated Twitter with every ounce of your being and would never post tweets you found at LGF.

I reconsidered my position after much discussion here.

I will not open a Twitter account, for reasons I have given here before.

However, some people’s posts to Twitter are worthwhile reading.

Thus, after consideration of what people have suggested here about Twitter here to me, I will repost something I find worthwhile, but I will not join the service.

I suppose that is similar to me reposting something I find at a religious site (which I have also done). I am not a religious person, but sometimes a religious Website will post something I find interesting (or horrendous).

I admit my previous absolutist position about Twitter was insufficient. It does no good to ignore social media sites such as Twitter or Facebook (particularly when they are such hotbeds of fascism).

Thus, I admit my position about posting or reading tweets was wrong. Ignoring a problem will not make it go away.

Since I promised after Aminah’s [Curious Lurker’s] untimely passing here I would post a guinea pig a day in her memory (since she told me she loved guinea pigs as do I), I will post another. The world needs more cute guinea pig posts.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 13, 2017 • 1:08:48am

re: #211 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I am just being Devil’s Advocate here, so to speak for the Fundamentalist Right, but the counter-counter-counter-counter argument here is that the Bible is God’s Eternal and Unchanging Word whereas the Constitution is a mere document made up by flawed human beings and continuously amended and re-interpreted.

And the counter argument to that is despite whatever some fundamentalist might claim, the Bible is a flawed document written by humans as well, and continuously re-interpreted.

Fun question: Ask a Fundamentalist why many Protestants used Bibles in the USA that deleted everything after 2 Peter until the Twenties. (We have one such Bible in our public library.)

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 13, 2017 • 1:09:56am

Lubbock’s Mr. Conservative shows once again that RWNJs no longer even pretend to care about credibility or logic:

Facebook Post

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JordanRules  Aug 13, 2017 • 1:12:30am

Holding up 1A as infallible seems almost like a weird faith to me.

It’s a failure of imagination to not at least question it and wonder if dysfunctional ass systemic forces haven’t come to mean that application is unequal. It might require some affirmative thought and action to make a good faith effort at seeing an important part of the picture here.

It’s such an easy crutch.
As if the Constitution hasn’t been altered (speak in support of it even if it doesn’t have a chance in hell in our lifetime)…
As if Germany hasn’t provided some guidance (nobody is saying the way they do it fits here, but it’s something)…
As if it’s beyond our collective will to move the narrative (we’ve done it before)
As if folks don’t examine 2A all the time with respect to how it terrorizes…
As if we can’t expect advocacy groups to represent the truly marginalized to exploit the right balance of 1A and morality…
As if we can’t see the incitement prejudice…
As if we can’t see the unequal protection…
As if we can’t see the unequal punishment via biased interpretation…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 13, 2017 • 1:12:48am

re: #214 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Lubbock’s Mr. Conservative shows once again that RWNJs no longer even pretend to care about credibility or logic:

Then why are they called National SOCIALISTS?!?

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teleskiguy  Aug 13, 2017 • 1:12:58am

re: #212 Anymouse 🌹

I reconsidered my position after much discussion here.

Of course you did. Wouldn’t want to ruffle too many feathers.

You’re a hypocrite. The guinea pig video proves it. You hate Twitter yet can’t look away. Admit that and I’ll respect you more. Do you even remember what you’ve said about Twitter *just tonight*?!?

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 13, 2017 • 1:13:41am

re: #214 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Lubbock’s Mr. Conservative shows once again that RWNJs no longer even pretend to care about credibility or logic:

There was no time in my adult life I ever thought any right winger cared about credibility or logic. (Ronald Reagan’s campaign launch in Philadelphia, Mississippi was the thing that convinced me to vote for Jimmy Carter in my first election.)

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 13, 2017 • 1:15:15am

Who needs the supernatural? We are at war with forces indistinguishable from Satan, in the form of the morally depraved right-wing media.

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teleskiguy  Aug 13, 2017 • 1:18:15am

Oh, I should point out that Anymouse is also a total complete dick to the religious.

Back to the Bible, which explicitly advocates for violence (both Testaments). Should the Bible be outlawed as hate speech?

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 13, 2017 • 1:19:24am

re: #217 teleskiguy

Of course you did. Wouldn’t want to ruffle too many feathers.

You’re a hypocrite. The guinea pig video proves it. You hate Twitter yet can’t look away. Admit that and I’ll respect you more. Do you even remember what you’ve said about Twitter *just tonight*?!?

I will accept the term “hypocrite” if it means “reconsider.”

As for the comment you refer to, it reads in full:

Wasn’t Mr. Dickinson suspended from Twitter? And Twitter is allowing him to run a sock puppet account? (Let’s see, why would Twitter do that? Oh, money.)

What does that have to do with anything I said about reconsidering referring to comments on Twitter (or guinea pig photographs)?

Is your implication I am a hypocrite for reconsidering my position I should not view anything on Twitter ever again?

I really want to know here, because I don’t want to be a hypocrite. After all, I consider myself a liberal (one who can change his opinion with new information or evidence).

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 13, 2017 • 1:20:56am

re: #213 Anymouse 🌹

…Bibles in the USA that deleted everything after 2 Peter until the Twenties.

Now that’s damned fascinating; I had no idea about that.

Was there any particular reason for deleting 1 John, 2 John, 3 John, Jude and Revelation?

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teleskiguy  Aug 13, 2017 • 1:20:57am

re: #221 Anymouse 🌹

You’ve railed time and time again how Twitter is a fuckin’ fascist evil corporation that shouldn’t be given any credence. Yeah, you’re a fuckin’ hypocrite when you visit the site and post tweets here.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 13, 2017 • 1:23:34am

re: #220 teleskiguy

Oh, I should point out that Anymouse is also a total complete dick to the religious.

I’m sorry you didn’t read about genocide in the Bible as I did. I guess reminding people about what is printed there makes me a dick?

No one would ever let an atheist teach a Sunday School class, because we would read the parts that no regular teacher would ever read.

I’ll take a hard pass on arguing religion tonight.

We’re mostly in agreement about many things (as far as I can tell). I really don’t wish to argue about religion any more.

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Renaissance_Man  Aug 13, 2017 • 1:24:04am

re: #223 teleskiguy

You’ve railed time and time again how Twitter is a fuckin’ fascist evil corporation that shouldn’t be given any credence. Yeah, you’re a fuckin’ hypocrite when you visit the site and post tweets here.

This seems to be a bizarre and relatively trivial point to get aggressive about.

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JordanRules  Aug 13, 2017 • 1:27:35am
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teleskiguy  Aug 13, 2017 • 1:28:35am

re: #225 Renaissance_Man

This seems to be a bizarre and relatively trivial point to get aggressive about.

You’re the first (and so far only) person to say I’m being aggressive. I’m being realistic and trying to hold Anymouse to his own standards of ignoring Twitter that he’s obviously given up on. We’re supposed to be a self-policing community. Anymouse at one time said he’d ignore Twitter and refrain from posting tweets because of his beliefs about the service. He was actually very good about that promise, until tonight (as far as I’ve seen). I call him out and I’m being aggressive.

Okay. Right on!

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teleskiguy  Aug 13, 2017 • 1:30:32am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 13, 2017 • 1:31:03am

re: #220 teleskiguy

Oh, I should point out that Anymouse is also a total complete dick to the religious.

It was a rhetorical question.

Please ease up on each other…There are so few of us on the Night Shift.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 13, 2017 • 1:33:41am

re: #227 teleskiguy

You’re the first (and so far only) person to say I’m being aggressive. I’m being realistic and trying to hold Anymouse to his own standards of ignoring Twitter that he’s obviously given up on. We’re supposed to be a self-policing community. Anymouse at one time said he’d ignore Twitter and refrain from posting tweets because of his beliefs about the service. He was actually very good about that promise, until tonight (as far as I’ve seen). I call him out and I’m being aggressive.

Okay. Right on!

I changed my position insofar as reading Twitter. I did say at one time I would ignore Twitter. I did mention above that after considering other people’s arguments in the matter, I’d reconsidered that position (but also said I still would not sign up for an account there).

Is your argument that I should hold a standard of “once I take a position, I should never change my mind about it?” That saves me from becoming a Christian. Phew.

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teleskiguy  Aug 13, 2017 • 1:34:23am

re: #224 Anymouse 🌹

I guess reminding people about what is printed there makes me a dick?

Reminding good decent Christians of the things in the Bible that make them look bad makes you a dick, yes.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 13, 2017 • 1:35:35am

re: #231 teleskiguy

Reminding good decent Christians of the things in the Bible that make them look bad makes you a dick, yes.

Does a Christian accept the Bible? Then why does it make me a dick? I’m not the one promoting that book.

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William Lewis  Aug 13, 2017 • 1:35:45am

re: #222 Dr Lizardo

Now that’s damned fascinating; I had no idea about that.

Was there any particular reason for deleting 1 John, 2 John, 3 John, Jude and Revelation?

I doubt it was anything other than a damaged and repaired book. The fundamentalists long before the 20’s required Revelations to support their end times fantasies. If they were Jefferson-ing their Bibles, James would be much more likely to get dropped than the Johannine Epistles.

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teleskiguy  Aug 13, 2017 • 1:37:24am

re: #232 Anymouse 🌹

Does a Christian accept the Bible? Then why does it make me a dick? I’m not the one promoting that book.

You’re comfortable telling wlewisiii how wrong he is, asshole.

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JordanRules  Aug 13, 2017 • 1:39:04am
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Single-handed sailor  Aug 13, 2017 • 1:39:28am

How about a nice Babylon 5 exorcism in 1080p?

Babylon 5: The Lost Tales - Voices in the Dark

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William Lewis  Aug 13, 2017 • 1:39:58am

re: #234 teleskiguy

You’re comfortable telling wlewisiii how wrong he is, asshole.

Meh, ain’t nothing but a thing. If that were the worst I had to deal with, life would be sweet indeed. I try to ignore it though I do fail often enough. Please try as well.

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teleskiguy  Aug 13, 2017 • 1:41:40am

re: #237 William Lewis

Meh, ain’t nothing but a thing. If that were the worst I had to deal with, life would be sweet indeed. I try to ignore it though I do fail often enough. Please try as well.

I will indeed try to fail to ignore religious intolerance!

Wait, that didn’t come out right…

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 13, 2017 • 1:42:03am

re: #218 Anymouse 🌹

There was no time in my adult life I ever thought any right winger cared about credibility or logic. (Ronald Reagan’s campaign launch in Philadelphia, Mississippi was the thing that convinced me to vote for Jimmy Carter in my first election.)

Oh, I’m not saying they ever really gave a shit about credibility or logic—- they’re the linear successors of slavery apologists, after all—- but there was a time when they at least pretended to care.

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teleskiguy  Aug 13, 2017 • 1:44:50am

LIZARDS

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 13, 2017 • 1:46:12am

Reagan was a political star precisely because he could persuade people that the right’s crackpot rationale for greed and plunder was actually true.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 13, 2017 • 1:46:13am

re: #234 teleskiguy

You’re comfortable telling wlewisiii how wrong he is, asshole.

I didn’t tell anyone they were wrong. (Reading comments again, please stand by.)

Nope, could not find your assertion.

I think this has gotten too heated between us for me to continue here tonight. I’ll bid you good-night, and hopefully good skiing in the future.

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teleskiguy  Aug 13, 2017 • 1:50:14am

re: #242 Anymouse 🌹

You said this, to a devout Christian (wlewisiii):

Back to the Bible, which explicitly advocates for violence (both Testaments). Should the Bible be outlawed as hate speech?

That’s mockery and derision if I ever saw it.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 13, 2017 • 1:53:57am
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teleskiguy  Aug 13, 2017 • 1:58:18am

This has been the worst Saturday night in a long time. It’s fucking Sunday morning and I still think it’s Saturday night and the world is fucked. I tweeted this hours ago.

I hope I’m wrong. Ullr help me I hope I’m wrong.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 13, 2017 • 1:59:52am

The right wing as we know and loathe it today goes back to the late 50s, when the Hunt brothers, Phyllis Schlafly, and Robert Welch picked up the pieces after Joe McCarthy’s fall and combined them with southern racism, religious zeal, and Ayn Rand’s economic fantasies. They had many antecedents, of course, but this “new right,” as it was called, is where today’s right wing originated as a continuous, organized political movement.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 13, 2017 • 2:05:32am

re: #243 teleskiguy

You said this, to a devout Christian (wlewisiii):

That’s mockery and derision if I ever saw it.

That would be:

Back to the Bible, which explicitly advocates for violence (both Testaments). Should the Bible be outlawed as hate speech?

That was in reference to the discussion on whether hate speech (rather than actions) should be outlawed as not protected by the I Amendment.

I mocked nor derided nothing. I’m sorry the Bible explicitly condones genocide and slavery, but that is really not my problem.

You took my statement out of context of the larger argument: If we ban certain forms of speech as hateful, should we then ban the Bible, since it clearly advocates for slavery and genocide.

My very response in the same comment was no. I advocate banning actions.

On that note, I really must go. I have an appointment with my bed.

As for reading Twitter after reconsideration of other’s comments here, I accept your designation of “hypocrite.” That is, if hypocrite means considering other people’s opinions and coming to a different conclusion after weighing their merits.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 13, 2017 • 2:11:30am

Good night, everyone. Medications are kicking in and I’m getting sleepy. I cannot sting together cogent statements any more tonight.

Hopefully I still have friends here tomorrow.

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teleskiguy  Aug 13, 2017 • 2:20:45am

re: #247 Anymouse the Hypocrite 🌹

If we ban certain forms of speech as hateful, should we then ban the Bible, since it clearly advocates for slavery and genocide.

Ya lost me there, bud.

I advocate banning actions.

I know you don’t advocate banning shooting guns, but you just might be advocating banning shooting guns!

Hey Anymouse, I love ya, man, I do! I’m just trying to make LGF a better place and you’ve been a minute pissant in my mind, so I say things. Nothing wrong with that! Hopefully.

Religion. I’m recommending staying away and letting folks be.

As far as you and me? There’s no reason why you and I don’t dance.

Giphy

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JordanRules  Aug 13, 2017 • 2:34:23am
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JordanRules  Aug 13, 2017 • 2:36:34am
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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 13, 2017 • 2:36:52am

I still can’t believe that the evil wretch Phyllis Schlafly lived till last year. She had been a nationally destructive pest since the Eisenhower administration.

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teleskiguy  Aug 13, 2017 • 2:41:37am

re: #252 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

I still can’t believe that the evil wretch Phyllis Schlafly lived till last year. She had been a nationally destructive pest since the Eisenhower administration.

All those folks who followed Phyllis Schlafly, they grew up and probably had children and their kids had children too. White supremacy is endemic in our culture and it’s going to take big weird drastic things to eradicate it.

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teleskiguy  Aug 13, 2017 • 2:44:46am
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teleskiguy  Aug 13, 2017 • 2:45:06am
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Dr Lizardo  Aug 13, 2017 • 2:45:11am

re: #253 teleskiguy

All those folks who followed Phyllis Schlafly, they grew up and probably had children and their kids had children too. White supremacy is endemic in our culture and it’s going to take big weird drastic things to eradicate it.

Bulworth on Racial Deconstruction

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teleskiguy  Aug 13, 2017 • 2:48:51am

re: #256 Dr Lizardo

I was in high school the last time I saw “Bulworth.” I’m obviously overdue to watch the film again.

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William Lewis  Aug 13, 2017 • 2:49:16am

re: #253 teleskiguy

All those folks who followed Phyllis Schlafly, they grew up and probably had children and their kids had children too. White supremacy is endemic in our culture and it’s going to take big weird drastic things to eradicate it.

We can’t eradicate it; all we can do is force them to hide again because they’re repugnant to the majority. The problem with that is that they are a huge chunk of the nation and a vast majority of the GOP.

Things won’t change while Turtle is majority leader and letting his racist hate of Obama and his legacy drive the legislative agenda.

Things won’t change while state governors like Walker can gerrymander their control over the states, destroy voting rights and use the prison system as a way to keep minorities oppressed (Wisconsin has the highest rate of black incarceration and is near the top in Native American incarceration IIRC.)

Things won’t change while Nazis like Bannon & Gorka aren’t being perp walked out of the White House, much less their racist boss.

Things won’t change while the cops are filled with racists and are nothing but the enemy of minorities and freedom.

What it will take is a real revolution (unlike the bernie bro’s blathering) and that would require too much bloodshed for most Americans to be willing to pay.

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teleskiguy  Aug 13, 2017 • 2:55:21am

re: #258 William Lewis

You’re right. In your - dare I say deplorable - cynicism, there’s not a factiod I or anyone else can dispute. We’re jolly well fucked.

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teleskiguy  Aug 13, 2017 • 2:57:20am
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teleskiguy  Aug 13, 2017 • 3:00:34am

The events in Charlottesville really grinds my gears. It’s a sort of “pick and choose” kind of event, this side or that side. And there’s lots of stupid white men who pick the side of the murderer in the Dodge Charger.

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William Lewis  Aug 13, 2017 • 3:01:11am

Well. gotta finish making breakfast for the hotel guests and then it’s off to home for an hour or two before church.

Take car lizards & spread love. Love, light & grace are the most powerful weapons we have left.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 13, 2017 • 3:11:10am

re: #226 JordanRules

For this reason, the ACLU of Virginia defended the white supremacists’ right to march.

Will they be suing their former clients under RICO and for civil assault for attacking counter-protesters?

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DodgerFan1988  Aug 13, 2017 • 3:18:35am

What a scumbag.

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JordanRules  Aug 13, 2017 • 3:29:30am
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Dr Lizardo  Aug 13, 2017 • 3:33:44am

re: #265 JordanRules

He knows he can’t afford to alienate them.

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JordanRules  Aug 13, 2017 • 3:35:31am
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JordanRules  Aug 13, 2017 • 3:36:08am

re: #266 Dr Lizardo

Indeed. He IS them.

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teleskiguy  Aug 13, 2017 • 3:36:39am

re: #266 Dr Lizardo

He knows he can’t afford to alienate them.

David Duke is right. Those rabid white males that were in Charlottesville this weekend are *his base*. His people.

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JordanRules  Aug 13, 2017 • 3:41:48am

This is such a good antidote to the scary POC pic/narrative reflexively used in the media.

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dangerman  Aug 13, 2017 • 3:44:49am

just stopping in for a mo.

i said it over and over during the campaign after his remarks about women grabbing:

trump is a pig. you support a pig, you’re a pig.

today it is made clear:
trump is a bigot and a racist. you support a bigot, you’re a bigot.

if you don’t condemn racism and bigotry in the strongest, clearest, unequivocal terms possible terms, you are supporting it

im off to run 6 and cleanse my spirit of this filth

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 13, 2017 • 4:25:35am

Between nuclear bungling and the outright endorsement of nazi violence, the Trump administration is turning out to be even worse than I expected, which is saying a hell of a lot. This is a national disaster, the worst since the Civil War, and it shows every sign of getting much worse still.

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Eventual Carrion  Aug 13, 2017 • 4:47:00am

re: #98 Lidane

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That group needs to leave the country until we have this all figured out.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 13, 2017 • 4:58:21am

re: #70 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Jim Wright is breathing hellfire.

“Fuck the Confederacy. Every symbol of the Confederacy, every monument, every flag, every statue, should be pulled down, uprooted, smashed into rubble, and burned. Fuck Robert E. Lee, he was a traitor, pull down his statue, melt it down, recast it into urinals. Piss on the Confederacy.”

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This should be our mantra. The Confederacy shouldn’t be an issue in 2017 because its symbols should never have been tolerated on public land in the first place. This country tolerates racism way too much on so many damn levels. I can’t imagine what it would be like to be born in this country and live with this anti-Black nonsense for my entire life.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 13, 2017 • 5:00:04am

re: #265 JordanRules

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This says it all. Trump is good with White Supremacists and will never condemn them just like he will never condemn Russia.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Aug 13, 2017 • 5:02:10am

re: #34 Anymouse the Hypocrite 🌹

Plague has never been wiped out. Rick Wilson’s snarky “2017 y’all” doesn’t really mean anything. The only diseases ever wiped out are smallpox and rinderpest (a livestock disease).

Well, the bacterium Yersinia pestis is out there and staying happy in its reservoir, which is the flea; modern man has this thing called hygiene, so the relevant human vector, the rat, isn’t allowed in our house. And, Y. pestis is quite susceptible to antibiotics. Prairie dogs aren’t a great great vector for human infection, either.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 13, 2017 • 5:06:03am

The only positive thing coming out of Charlottesville debacle is that it is compelling people to take sides, they can no longer hide behind wishy-washy concepts like “alt-right” or “racial realist”.

Just like it took Dylan Root with his Confederate flag to finally convince people that such a symbol had to place flying over a government buildings in America.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 13, 2017 • 5:08:08am

re: #272 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Between nuclear bungling and the outright endorsement of nazi violence, the Trump administration is turning out to be even worse than I expected, which is saying a hell of a lot. This is a national disaster, the worst since the Civil War, and it shows every sign of getting much worse still.

and will have to get considerably worse before the people who currently have the power to effect change (namely the GOP majority in Congress) will think about taking steps to make it better

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 13, 2017 • 5:34:04am

re: #274 Patricia Kayden

“Fuck the Confederacy. Every symbol of the Confederacy, every monument, every flag, every statue, should be pulled down, uprooted, smashed into rubble, and burned. Fuck Robert E. Lee, he was a traitor, pull down his statue, melt it down, recast it into urinals. Piss on the Confederacy.”.

If you want to put these sorts of memorials up on private property, then that is your right. They just have no place on public property, save at a museum or a battlefield memorial -
accompanied by a clear reference to who these people were and what they were fighting for.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Aug 13, 2017 • 5:34:10am

I don’t see lynchings coming back, Per se, I so see the massive increase in open carry at these rallies ending in some fucktard opening fire.

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dangerman  Aug 13, 2017 • 5:36:46am

re: #272 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Between nuclear bungling and the outright endorsement of nazi violence, the Trump administration is turning out to be even worse than I expected, which is saying a hell of a lot. This is a national disaster, the worst since the Civil War, and it shows every sign of getting much worse still.

i am hopeful.

i used to be concerned trump would be less than a so-so president, get his picture painted and hung on the wall with the others and we’d have to look at him through eternity as a mediocre “one of the few”. like i used to think of gwb.

with almost no help, he has cemented his place in history separate and apart from the other 44. i am no longer worried.

and i have faith in mankind as a whole both nationally and world wide.

there are more of us than them and humanity is moving in one direction only. we will right this ship and clean the decks.

edited because my finger slipped.

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dangerman  Aug 13, 2017 • 5:39:57am

refresh 281 - i slipped

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Myron Falwell  Aug 13, 2017 • 5:41:14am
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dangerman  Aug 13, 2017 • 5:49:16am

this isn’t ‘clever’. it’s cowardice

im quoting the whole paragragh because its short:

Many Republicans have discovered that holding town hall meetings with constituents can lead to angry crowds asking hostile questions. One way to avoid this situation—in fact, the most popular one—is to hide and not meet constituents at all. Rep. Brian Fitzpatrick (R-PA) is trying another way: asking constituents to submit their questions in advance and then holding a lottery to determine who gets an invitation to attend. The congressman’s website says that people will be selected at random, but it isn’t hard to imagine that the nature of the question will play a (big) role in determining who gets in. After all, why would they need to submit their question in advance if that was not the case? This could be a technique to get a large crowd that is friendly and keep opponents out. Depending how it goes, other Republicans may emulate Fitzpatrick later. (V)

they are not representing districts, or states, or whatever. they are representing only those who stroke them. they are ignoring and writing off everyone else, including their angry supporters.

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dangerman  Aug 13, 2017 • 5:51:47am

re: #283 Myron Falwell

[Embedded content]1:2 There should be no place in society for racism, white supremacy and neo-nazis.

1. there “shouldn’t be”. and yet there is. your father promotes it

2. delete your father.

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Myron Falwell  Aug 13, 2017 • 5:53:04am

re: #284 dangerman

this isn’t ‘clever’. it’s cowardice

im quoting the whole paragragh because its short:

they are not representing districts, or states, or whatever. they are representing only those who stroke them. they are ignoring and writing off everyone else, including their angry supporters.

They’re solely counting on gerrymandering and widescale voter suppression to keep their jobs.

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jeffreyw  Aug 13, 2017 • 5:55:16am

Imgur


Gumbo morning!

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darthstar  Aug 13, 2017 • 5:57:16am
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darthstar  Aug 13, 2017 • 5:58:07am

re: #287 jeffreyw

Mmm…is that a warm wedge of cornbread with butter on it? Sweet Jesus that looks tasty!

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darthstar  Aug 13, 2017 • 6:00:44am
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dangerman  Aug 13, 2017 • 6:01:02am

cnn headline: “Guam, japan prepare for possible North Korea missle launch”

trump to the governor of guam:

All over the world the world, they’re talking about Guam, and they’re talking about you, and I think—tourism, I can say this, your tourism, you’re going to go up like tenfold with the expenditure of no money, so I congratulate you”

‘fame’ without having to advertise. for possibly being bombed.

that’s not fame. that’s infamy.

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darthstar  Aug 13, 2017 • 6:02:04am
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dangerman  Aug 13, 2017 • 6:02:46am

re: #286 Myron Falwell

They’re solely counting on gerrymandering and widescale voter suppression to keep their jobs.

and they’re going even farther by not talking to people who voted for them who are now angry (ie healthcare)

ah the good old days when reps actually represented all the people in the entire district

(i kid, i kid)

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darthstar  Aug 13, 2017 • 6:03:51am
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b.d. (bill d.)  Aug 13, 2017 • 6:04:17am

re: #290 darthstar

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Good morning Lizards:

Terrorism………glad he said it.

Looks like only one branch of our government ain’t getting it.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Aug 13, 2017 • 6:05:21am

re: #294 darthstar

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One of those Ks must stand for Kasual Fridays

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darthstar  Aug 13, 2017 • 6:07:39am

re: #295 b.d. (bill d.)

Good morning Lizards:

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Terrorism………glad he said it.

Looks like only one branch of our government ain’t getting it.

Good to see Paul Ryan finally realized he wasn’t going to get away with his generic tweet, which was eight hours before that reply.

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451_Montag  Aug 13, 2017 • 6:07:43am

re: #294 darthstar

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I call it Klan Chic

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Decatur Deb  Aug 13, 2017 • 6:07:49am

re: #294 darthstar

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Summer Whites. Ever try to march under a sheet with a bunch of torches on a hot Summer night in the South?

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darthstar  Aug 13, 2017 • 6:08:51am

re: #297 darthstar

Good to see Paul Ryan finally realized he wasn’t going to get away with his generic tweet, which was eight hours before that reply.

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He also changed his twitter wall paper to a pic of himself surrounded by cute black children.

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Myron Falwell  Aug 13, 2017 • 6:09:19am

re: #272 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Between nuclear bungling and the outright endorsement of nazi violence, the Trump administration is turning out to be even worse than I expected, which is saying a hell of a lot. This is a national disaster, the worst since the Civil War, and it shows every sign of getting much worse still.

Just wait until Robert Mueller’s case makes any defense of this fuckface and his underlings politically inexorable.

Trump may very well be the first occupant of the White House who is forcibly removed from the position.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 13, 2017 • 6:09:34am
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Decatur Deb  Aug 13, 2017 • 6:09:42am

re: #300 darthstar

He also changed his twitter wall paper to a pic of himself surrounded by cute black children.

Assuming Trayvon was not one of them.

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 13, 2017 • 6:10:08am

re: #302 FormerDirtDart

That is a good one.

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Myron Falwell  Aug 13, 2017 • 6:11:12am

re: #296 b.d. (bill d.)

One of those Ks must stand for Kasual Fridays

It’s Krusty’s Komedy Klassics!

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 13, 2017 • 6:11:24am

re: #291 dangerman

cnn headline: “Guam, japan prepare for possible North Korea missle launch”

trump to the governor of guam:

‘fame’ without having to advertise. for possibly being bombed.

that’s not fame. that’s infamy.

“No such thing as bad publicity” unless your island is turned into a smoldering ash heap.

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Myron Falwell  Aug 13, 2017 • 6:13:15am
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darthstar  Aug 13, 2017 • 6:13:47am

re: #299 Decatur Deb

Summer Whites. Ever try to march under a sheet with a bunch of torches on a hot Summer night in the South?

I feel bad putting that to music so close to Glenn Campbell’s death.
Summer Whites,
Marching with a tiki torch at night…
Dumb as you please
They are a fucking disease
Their dog-whistles blow and they show how low they go..

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darthstar  Aug 13, 2017 • 6:14:53am

re: #306 Barefoot Grin

“No such thing as bad publicity” unless your island is turned into a smoldering ash heap.

Guam! Come for the night life, stay for the half-life.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 13, 2017 • 6:15:12am
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b.d. (bill d.)  Aug 13, 2017 • 6:15:15am

re: #297 darthstar

Good to see Paul Ryan finally realized he wasn’t going to get away with his generic tweet, which was eight hours before that reply.

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Good catch, he saw all the hell Donnie was catching, looked around, and noticed that him, Donnie and Mitch were the only folks that side of the fence.

The reactions from the GOP Congressfolks are all over the map, the party is still the most powerful party in the nation but it is a hot mess.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 13, 2017 • 6:16:17am
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darthstar  Aug 13, 2017 • 6:16:24am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 13, 2017 • 6:16:26am

re: #280 Colère Tueur de Lapin

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I don’t see lynchings coming back, Per se, I so see the massive increase in open carry at these rallies ending in some fucktard opening fire.

…and claiming self-defense or SYG and sending the whole discussion of what happened and why right down the Cyber Rabbit Hole.

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451_Montag  Aug 13, 2017 • 6:16:37am

A new spin.

Tom Bossert, homeland security spokesman just claimed that the racist supporting, mainstream Republican Trump didn’t call the fucks white supremacists what they are because he didn’t want to dignify them with a name.

Well I’m glad that is all cleared up then and am duely reassured.//

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 13, 2017 • 6:17:14am

re: #308 darthstar

RIP Glen Campbell. I remember watching his TV show when I was a kid.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Aug 13, 2017 • 6:17:38am
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b.d. (bill d.)  Aug 13, 2017 • 6:18:48am

re: #315 451_Montag

A new spin.

Tom Bossert, homeland security spokesman just claimed that the racist supporting, mainstream Republican Trump didn’t call the fucks white supremacists what they are because he didn’t want to dignify them with a name.

Well I’m glad that is all cleared up then and am duely reassured.//

That’ll work, thanks for putting that to rest Tom.

//

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darthstar  Aug 13, 2017 • 6:21:31am
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Myron Falwell  Aug 13, 2017 • 6:21:39am

re: #311 b.d. (bill d.)

Good catch, he saw all the hell Donnie was catching, looked around, and noticed that him, Donnie and Mitch were the only folks that side of the fence.

The reactions from the GOP Congressfolks are all over the map, the party is still the most powerful party in the nation but it is a hot mess.

Turtle Fucker McConnell’s most famous for standing next to Jefferson Beauregard Sessions in front of the Confederate flag. So yeah.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 13, 2017 • 6:22:31am

Good thread, he’s a pitcher for the Washington Nationals and a UVA alum

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Myron Falwell  Aug 13, 2017 • 6:24:18am

re: #319 darthstar

WTFG, Erick(-Woods) Son of Erick.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 13, 2017 • 6:26:15am
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b.d. (bill d.)  Aug 13, 2017 • 6:27:54am

re: #323 FormerDirtDart

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lol, who in the White House would write it for him? Bannon? Miller? Gorka?

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Myron Falwell  Aug 13, 2017 • 6:28:05am

re: #323 FormerDirtDart

“…says the right things.”

Rich, the only “right things” Trump can say are, “I resign” and “I surrender to the FBI.”

So sit down and shut up, Mr. Lowry.

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jeffreyw  Aug 13, 2017 • 6:29:25am

re: #148 freetoken

Even in the late 1780s the problem was the differences among the new states, and that not all citizens of the new country indeed thought the same thing about their new country.

The sort of forced knitting together of one legal document which would bind the states results in some gross compromises, from which we’re still suffering today.

We are seeing the same dynamic play out today in Obamacare, flawed because of the compromises required to gain agreement, repairs hobbled by the same difficulties.

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darthstar  Aug 13, 2017 • 6:29:34am

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 13, 2017 • 6:29:36am
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Dr. Matt  Aug 13, 2017 • 6:29:52am

Has Rage Furby retracted his fake news yet?

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b.d. (bill d.)  Aug 13, 2017 • 6:29:55am

lol, baby needs more milk?

parent tweet added below

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b.d. (bill d.)  Aug 13, 2017 • 6:30:43am

re: #330 b.d. (bill d.)

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darthstar  Aug 13, 2017 • 6:37:00am

“should be no place”…yeah…there shouldn’t.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 13, 2017 • 6:38:45am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 13, 2017 • 6:38:55am

Ok folks, now what Fresh Hell awaits today???????

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ObserverArt  Aug 13, 2017 • 6:40:44am

Morning.

Well, yesterday certainly sucked bad.

One thing, I sure hope all the little nazis that are being outed and then connected to some of the Republican politicians are being logged in memory for use in a few months when Congressional races start to heat up.

All of this needs to be sewn up into suits every Republican will be wearing next election. It needs to be clear they wear it well.

And of course the idiot from Maumee Ohio that drove his car into the crowd can go straight to hell. He will be in good company with all the other nazis currently there.

He was motivated enough to drive all the way to Charlottesville to join in. And then obviously he got so full of rage he decided to become a terrorist.

And in a weird twist…another Ohioan was there protesting the White Nationalist and was one of the 19 people injured by the other Ohioan. I just heard on the news he is listed in good condition.

Prayers for the other badly injured.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Aug 13, 2017 • 6:41:28am

re: #334 Joe Bacon 🌹

Ok folks, now what Fresh Hell awaits today???????

Trump is going to come out and say:

“OK, no more Mr. Nice Guy” then things will get interesting.

//?

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darthstar  Aug 13, 2017 • 6:41:55am
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b.d. (bill d.)  Aug 13, 2017 • 6:43:07am

Terrorist attack in the USA and the President stays at his golf course, far from DC.

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Myron Falwell  Aug 13, 2017 • 6:43:51am

re: #333 FormerDirtDart

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This should tell everyone just how little influence McMaster has in the Trump Swamp.

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darthstar  Aug 13, 2017 • 6:45:23am

re: #336 b.d. (bill d.)

Trump is going to come out and say:

“OK, no more Mr. Nice Guy” then things will get interesting.

//?

He hasn’t trended on Twitter in 24 hours. That’s his direct line to the American PeopleTM. His North Korea gambit was great for two days, but more Mueller news is around the corner. He’ll need a tweet release soon.

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darthstar  Aug 13, 2017 • 6:50:16am

I think I’ll miss McMaster.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Aug 13, 2017 • 6:50:38am

re: #340 darthstar

He hasn’t trended on Twitter in 24 hours. That’s his direct line to the American PeopleTM. His North Korea gambit was great for two days, but more Mueller news is around the corner. He’ll need a tweet release soon.

I’d imagine he’s golfing right now he won’t feel the need to tweet until after lunch?

He hates bad press and there is a special amount of it directed at him right now.
I just wonder who he will blame for the bad reception?

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Belafon  Aug 13, 2017 • 6:51:27am

re: #264 DodgerFan1988

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 13, 2017 • 6:53:05am

re: #340 darthstar

I would like to see Mueller walk up to the uncouth one and present him with evidence that he and his entire entourage are guilty (of what has yet to be determined) and they better get out of the USA before the mobs turn on them. It probably will not happen but it would be nice to see something like that.

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darthstar  Aug 13, 2017 • 6:55:04am

“I’m a white nationalist, just not an angry white nationalist.”…yeah, right, asshole.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 13, 2017 • 6:55:16am

re: #302 FormerDirtDart

Brilliant.

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darthstar  Aug 13, 2017 • 6:56:19am

re: #342 b.d. (bill d.)

I’d imagine he’s golfing right now he won’t feel the need to tweet until after lunch?

He hates bad press and there is a special amount of it directed at him right now.
I just wonder who he will blame for the bad reception?

“Hey, someone call Reince and Spicer and see if either of them want’s an afternoon of work…I need someone I can kick.”

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jeffreyw  Aug 13, 2017 • 6:57:12am

re: #289 darthstar

Mmm…is that a warm wedge of cornbread with butter on it? Sweet Jesus that looks tasty!

Correct! It was leftover from a batch of black eyed peas the other day.

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darthstar  Aug 13, 2017 • 6:59:37am
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Dr Lizardo  Aug 13, 2017 • 7:04:19am

re: #332 darthstar

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 13, 2017 • 7:06:12am

re: #340 darthstar

He hasn’t trended on Twitter in 24 hours. That’s his direct line to the American PeopleTM. His North Korea gambit was great for two days, but more Mueller news is around the corner. He’ll need a tweet release soon.

I’ve read elsewhere that Mueller wants to have a little chat with Reince Priebus.

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451_Montag  Aug 13, 2017 • 7:06:54am

re: #342 b.d. (bill d.)

I’d imagine he’s golfing right now he won’t feel the need to tweet until after lunch?

He hates bad press and there is a special amount of it directed at him right now.
I just wonder who he will blame for the bad reception?

Everybody else

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 13, 2017 • 7:07:33am

re: #350 Dr Lizardo

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darthstar  Aug 13, 2017 • 7:11:17am

re: #350 Dr Lizardo

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Jay C  Aug 13, 2017 • 7:12:04am

re: #342 b.d. (bill d.)

I’d imagine he’s golfing right now he won’t feel the need to tweet until after lunch?

He hates bad press and there is a special amount of it directed at him right now.
I just wonder who he will blame for the bad reception?

Well, unfortunately for the nation, there IS a way Trump could turn that “bad press” around. With a normal President, one would imagine that someone - anyone - in his inner circle is finally going to blow: and try to drum it into the Chief’s head that being perceived as coddling or ignoring actual, violent, murderous Nazis here in the US is going to be bad - REALLY bad - for his general image.
And get him to do somethinh about by it going public and making a well-written, well-crafted address unequivocally condemning the Nazis and fascists, unequivocally standing up FOR everybody’s right to protest and AGAINST any form of hatred or violence, and -like a few of his GOP pals already have, state flatly that white-supremacist ideology has no place in the political dialog in this country. Period.
Of course, it ,would all be BS PR nonsense, but the lapdog media and the lickspittle Congress would go wild for it, we would be barraged with another tsunami of horseshit about “Trump turning Presidential”, it would drive a lot of the negative coverage right out of the news, and (most importantly) might boost his approval ratings.
But then, I’m not sure my fears might be realized: it’s Donald Trump…

EDIT: I see from Josh Marshall’s cite in #349 that (presuming that that’s a WH release) that maybe they’re already trying this tack. But badly, as usual….

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451_Montag  Aug 13, 2017 • 7:15:47am

re: #355 Jay C

Well, unfortunately for the nation, there IS a way Trump could turn that “bad press” around. With a normal President, one would imagine that someone - anyone - in his inner circle is finally going to blow: and try to drum it into the Chief’s head that being perceived as coddling or ignoring actual, violent, murderous Nazis here in the US is going to be bad - REALLY bad - for his general image.
And get him to do somethinh about by it going public and making a well-written, well-crafted address unequivocally condemning the Nazis and fascists, unequivocally standing up FOR everybody’s right to protest and AGAINST any form of hatred or violence, and -like a few of his GOP pals already have, state flatly that white-supremacist ideology has no place in the political dialog in this country. Period.
Of course, it ,would all be BS PR nonsense, but the lapdog media and the lickspittle Congress would go wild for it, we would be barraged with another tsunami of horseshit about “Trump turning Presidential”, it would drive a lot of the negative coverage right out of the news, and (most importantly) might boost his approval ratings.
But then, I’m not sure my fears might be realized: it’s Donald Trump…

The advantage is that if condemns the Walmart SS and their garden ornaments that will piss off his base. Even more importantly it will be obvious he was forced to do.

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darthstar  Aug 13, 2017 • 7:19:29am
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darthstar  Aug 13, 2017 • 7:20:06am

I take back what I said in 341

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Jay C  Aug 13, 2017 • 7:22:24am

re: #356 451_Montag

The advantage is that if condemns the Walmart SS and their garden ornaments that will piss off his base. Even more importantly it will be obvious he was forced to do.

Yep. BS PR like I said: but for once his base can’t be the audience. They’ll still be there, ignoring the flap and re-filling their tiki torches, but as long as the current Administration is in the WH! I think they know, there will be little real pushback, and what there is is going to be mere political theater.

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darthstar  Aug 13, 2017 • 7:24:48am

It’s pretty easy to see why Shaub couldn’t continue to work for Trump.

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darthstar  Aug 13, 2017 • 7:29:08am
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451_Montag  Aug 13, 2017 • 7:31:03am

re: #359 Jay C

Yep. BS PR like I said: but for once his base can’t be the audience. They’ll still be there, ignoring the flap and re-filling their tiki torches, but as long as the current Administration is in the WH! I think they know, there will be little real pushback, and what there is is going to be mere political theater.

Numbers games. He won by a total of 70000 votes in like 4 states. Every single vote matters. If 1 nutjobs gets pissed enough to not support him I’ll take it.

Can’t see many people who didn’t vote for him telling themselves his condemnation is presidential and change.

It’s the squishy middle and abstainers that need to be persuaded and a late apology won’t do that.

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darthstar  Aug 13, 2017 • 7:31:39am
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Belafon  Aug 13, 2017 • 7:32:39am

re: #183 JordanRules

This is taking the side of the rule of law and equality if people.

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fern01  Aug 13, 2017 • 7:35:21am

re: #227 teleskiguy

You’re the first (and so far only) person to say I’m being aggressive. I’m being realistic and trying to hold Anymouse to his own standards of ignoring Twitter that he’s obviously given up on. We’re supposed to be a self-policing community. Anymouse at one time said he’d ignore Twitter and refrain from posting tweets because of his beliefs about the service. He was actually very good about that promise, until tonight (as far as I’ve seen). I call him out and I’m being aggressive.

Okay. Right on!

Then I’ll be the second. The non stop negative comments to another poster is what I call online bullying. Maybe it is something else, but having been the recipient of same many moons ago it looks very similar.

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jaunte  Aug 13, 2017 • 7:36:31am
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Timothy Watson  Aug 13, 2017 • 7:37:20am

re: #357 darthstar

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Hasn’t the GOP been saying for decades that terrorism shouldn’t be treated as a mere crime? Why aren’t they supporting holding this guy as an unlawful enemy combatant since he’s a terrorist?

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Teukka  Aug 13, 2017 • 7:40:37am

re: #366 jaunte

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I Would Prefer Not To  Aug 13, 2017 • 7:44:06am

Thank you

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 13, 2017 • 7:46:32am
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ObserverArt  Aug 13, 2017 • 7:47:45am

Fuck Rich Lowery. You are a worm.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 13, 2017 • 7:48:36am
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Aug 13, 2017 • 7:48:42am

re: #345 darthstar

“As a white nationalist, I care for all people. We all deserve a future for our children and for our culture. White nationalists aren’t all hateful; we just want to preserve what we have.”

This particular bit of sophistry is at the heart of all the bigotry and hatred that (supposedly) gives these aholes the ability to distance themselves from what they are actually saying.

And, really, no. This does not give you plausible deniability in your desire to create a whites only enclave.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 13, 2017 • 7:49:39am

re: #370 GlutenFreeJesus

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

I get the feeling as more of these fuckwits are ID’d over the coming days and weeks, there’s gonna be a few more fresh faces in the unemployment line……….well, unless they can hook up with that sweet, sweet wingnut welfare.

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makeitstop  Aug 13, 2017 • 7:50:47am

re: #374 Dr Lizardo

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

I get the feeling as more of these fuckwits are ID’d over the coming days and weeks, there’s gonna be a few more fresh faces in the unemployment line……….well, unless they can hook up with that sweet, sweet wingnut welfare.

And no doubt, they’ll whine about how they’re being ‘discriminated against.’ You know it’s coming…

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b_sharp  Aug 13, 2017 • 7:52:56am

re: #220 teleskiguy

Oh, I should point out that Anymouse is also a total complete dick to the religious.

So am I.

You’re being a complete dick now.

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darthstar  Aug 13, 2017 • 7:53:12am
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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 13, 2017 • 7:54:24am

re: #375 makeitstop

And no doubt, they’ll whine about how they’re being ‘discriminated against.’ You know it’s coming…

Fuck yeah they are!

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jaunte  Aug 13, 2017 • 7:54:27am

Organizational structure

“…Dillon Irizarry, a military veteran from New Mexico, has been leading the group since early 2016. During a speech at the previously mentioned neo-Nazi gathering in Kentucky, Irizarry said that VA started in California two years ago and that he took over leadership about a year ago. Irizarry also said that the “future is about the youth” and (for that reason) his group base is 18 to 24 years old. At the time, he also claimed approximately 200 members, in 20 different states.
Dillon Irizarry

There are small, active VA chapters in Arizona, California, Florida, Indiana, Louisiana, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Texas, Virginia, and Washington.”

VA has some paramilitary characteristics. In states with open carry laws, Irizarry, who uses the title Commander, and several other members have openly carried firearms during rallies and protests. The standard uniform for members consists of khaki pants and a white polo.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 13, 2017 • 7:54:45am

re: #375 makeitstop

And no doubt, they’ll whine about how they’re being ‘discriminated against.’ You know it’s coming…

Oh, that’s all but guaranteed. They’ll be bitching about how persecuted they are.

Fuck those assholes.

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ObserverArt  Aug 13, 2017 • 7:55:54am

Amy Walters - Air Head Pundit Light…but with a nice smile on Meat the Chuck.

“We have to get away from partisanship and talk about the splits and divides in this country.”

Brilliant. And they pay these people for this pablum?

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Myron Falwell  Aug 13, 2017 • 7:56:52am
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nines09  Aug 13, 2017 • 7:59:32am
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ObserverArt  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:00:02am

re: #376 b_sharp

So am I.

You’re being a complete dick now.

Didn’t read through the whole thread.

Not this shit again.

I’d be impressed if they could use this forum for actual discussion.

But it really is another reflection of this country’s issues.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:02:18am
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Belafon  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:02:41am

re: #149 The Ghost of a Flea

I’m not 100% on this, but one of the things that was drifting about Charlottesville today was that the “marchers” largely ignored the safety instructions and the conditions set by their permit.

If this is true, then there is both a specific and general need to look at how there’s an unequal application of rigour (vetting) and force when dealing with crowds…and it should be shouted to the skies that these fucking assholes and their ilk were utterly contemptuous of the police, the law of the land, and the community they assembled in.

Lots of people want to believe that the “alt-right” fall inside the spectrum of normal behavior because it’s scary—and contrary to white America’s understanding of what America is. Like many scared, uncertain people, they’re cleaving to any data point that suggests everything is fine. (More generally, this explains the banality that allows the more sinister excuse making for “lone wolf” white supremacists, sovereign citizens, etc.)

Emphasizing that this is what fascists do is our best chance to illustrate the point. It’s machiavellian, but unfortunately most people don’t really have the strength of principles or the intellectual appreciation of the threat of fascism-as-ethos.

Law enforcement needs to stop being indulgent about armed white dudes engaged in posturing and threats. Local governments need to start saying “fuck off” when people like this want to assemble. Part of the danger is how unequally freedom of speech and freedom of assembly are applied, always in favor of this kind of reactionary impulse.

There’s definitely a mix of both taking advantage of law to help their noxious cause and laws being created by Republicans - being allowed to walk around with rifles - that led to yesterday. And that leaves only so much that can be done. Local law enforcement could have been very strict and gone after them for any violation, which could have also been used the wrong way to keep counterprotesters away. Then these groups could have bragged about being unopposed.

I can only talk about this in terms of history, since I’m a 47 year old white male, but from what I’ve seen and read, the ways to defeat this is for people to show up to declare to these idiots that they are not the only ones here, to show in larger numbers so that these cowards find out they’re not the majority and force them back under their rocks, and elect people who will defend everyone.

The Nazis drove to Charlottesville. Just like people started tracking that church that was protesting at military funerals, some group needs to track them and help organize larger protests. I would donate, Now if they try that shit in Dallas, I will show up to counter-protest.

Our laws benefit those who want to maintain the status quo, and make moving away from that hard. It’s both good and bad: the very same laws are keeping Trump and republicans in check. But the will of the people has been a very big driver. I think too many people on the left forgot all of that, the food and the bad, in 2016.

I’m not sad that Spencer was punched for being a Nazi. I enjoyed that video over and over. But, until we declare an actual war, violence is only rewarded for those that want to maintain white men in charge. For the rest of us, we have to show in our numbers and in our persistence that the will of the people is progress toward equality for everyone.

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Teukka  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:02:59am

re: #385 Dr. Matt

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I hope it isn’t accompanied by an uptick in alt-right violence.

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jaunte  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:03:17am
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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:04:24am

Based only on one meme on his Facebook page , I wonder if James Fields is on the autistic spectrum. People with Asperger’s are more subject to idee fixe. In most cases, these fixations are benign or not harmful. However, Instapundit and a couple Republican legislatures have promoted the notion that it’s fine to run over protesters who don’t share your views. If Fields were exposed to such arguments, he might have adopted them without truly understanding the consequences.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:06:54am

re: #379 jaunte

snip…VA has some paramilitary characteristics. In states with open carry laws, Irizarry, who uses the title Commander, and several other members have openly carried firearms during rallies and protests….

Alabama is as gun-friendly as it knows how to be, with one unique exception. The “Of Course You Can Carry” law specifically prohibits carry at “demonstrations”. The reason for that escapes me now.

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:09:24am

What, if anything, has the Turtle said about the events yesterday? Ryan finally made a full denunciation. But I always thought Mitch’s hostility to Obama was motivated by deep-seated racism.

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Belafon  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:09:49am

re: #370 GlutenFreeJesus

I agree:

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b_sharp  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:09:52am

re: #384 ObserverArt

Didn’t read through the whole thread.

Not this shit again.

I’d be impressed if they could use this forum for actual discussion.

But it really is another reflection of this country’s issues.

Overreactions happen. The trick is to notice when you’re doing it.

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William Lewis  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:10:48am

re: #383 nines09

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Joe just moved even higher in my regard.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:12:33am

re: #394 William Lewis

Joe just moved even higher in my regard.

Capisce? Sounds like a furriner to me.

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:12:52am

OT I need some advice/suggestions for a hot glue gun. Should I just get the cheapest one or look for something a little bit better?

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b_sharp  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:13:55am

re: #389 Hecuba’s daughter

Based only on one meme on his Facebook page , I wonder if James Fields is on the autistic spectrum. People with Asperger’s are more subject to idee fixe. In most cases, these fixations are benign or not harmful. However, Instapundit and a couple Republican legislatures have promoted the notion that it’s fine to run over protesters who don’t share your views. If Fields were exposed to such arguments, he might have adopted them without truly understanding the consequences.

What meme was that?

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jaunte  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:14:09am

rawstory.com

“White House Homeland Security Adviser Tom Bossert on Sunday because President Donald Trump had refused to specifically condemn a so-called Alt-Right rally with self-styled Nazis after an alleged white supremacist with the group appeared to run over a group of counter-protesters, killing one and injuring 19.”

Bossert turns himself inside out to avoid blaming the white nationalists as a group for the violence yesterday.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:14:42am
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b_sharp  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:14:56am

re: #394 William Lewis

Joe just moved even higher in my regard.

Mine as well. He’s been high as a guitarist, now he’s there as a human.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:15:12am

re: #382 Myron Falwell

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The Dad in that story is an idiot. The correct response, when asked if you should facepaint the butterfly your son asked for is to say, “Yes, of course! And do one on me!”

We laud the Dads who sit with their daughters for tea parties, or put on a princess costume for them. It’s time we also become the Dad who not only lets his son have the butterfly he wants, but gets his own goddam butterfly.

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b_sharp  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:16:47am

re: #396 PhillyPretzel

OT I need some advice/suggestions for a hot glue gun. Should I just get the cheapest one or look for something a little bit better?

The cheapest will force you to push the stick through by hand, a more expensive one will have a trigger. How often will you use it? Cheap ones can have the stick stick in the barrel so you spend your time trying to push it through.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:17:07am

Of fucking course there is a KY connection…

Reports are that he was at the planned, then cancelled Nazi rally at Jenny Wiley State Park here in the state earlier this year.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:17:55am

re: #396 PhillyPretzel

OT I need some advice/suggestions for a hot glue gun. Should I just get the cheapest one or look for something a little bit better?

Tool strategy depends on expected use over its life cycle. For a one-time project I go for Harbor Freight expendables. But my daily hammer is this:

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:18:15am

re: #402 b_sharp

It will be used once in a while to repair items. But I do not want any hassles.

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No Depression  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:18:45am

re: #397 b_sharp

What meme was that?

I’m guessing the “Weaponized Autism” meme, which is a 4chan term for using “autism” (meaning social awkwardness, tech savvy, and obsessive attention to small details) to effect some kind of social or political change. The vast majority of people who use it on the internet are not autistic, and are using autistic as a self-deprecating insult.

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:19:27am

re: #324 b.d. (bill d.)

lol, who in the White House would write it for him? Bannon? Miller? Gorka?

Barron.

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Myron Falwell  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:19:41am

re: #389 Hecuba’s daughter

I have no doubt that his alleged lack of a mental state will be used as a defense not unlike Dylan Roof.

I’ve been diagnosed on the autism spectrum ever since I was at least three, and retroactively classified as under Aspergers since the early 2000s.

What angers me are those known scum of society who take such diagnoses as a badge of honor or carte blanche to be scum. I wouldn’t wish my diagnosis on anyone; and I’ve fought tooth and nail (with assistance from my family during my formative years) to become a productive member of society.

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b_sharp  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:19:53am

re: #404 Decatur Deb

Tool strategy depends on expected use over its life cycle. For a one-time project I go for Harbor Freight expendables. But my daily hammer is this:

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Lost an Estwing framing hammer when helping a friend build his house. I never replaced it, but I should have. A cheap 16oz just doesn’t do the job in many cases.

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b_sharp  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:22:16am

re: #405 PhillyPretzel

It will be used once in a while to repair items. But I do not want any hassles.

Then go for a middle of the road unit. I have 3 that range from super cheap to middle road. I use the middle road most.

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Myron Falwell  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:23:09am

re: #403 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

Of fucking course there is a KY connection…

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Reports are that he was at the planned, then cancelled Nazi rally at Jenny Wiley State Park here in the state earlier this year.

Fucking Kentucky Man strikes again.

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b_sharp  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:24:21am

re: #406 No Depression

I’m guessing the “Weaponized Autism” meme, which is a 4chan term for using “autism” (meaning social awkwardness, tech savvy, and obsessive attention to small details) to effect some kind of social or political change. The vast majority of people who use it on the internet are not autistic, and are using autistic as a self-deprecating insult.

That’s a new one on me.

And using it as an insult is pretty stupid.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:25:12am

re: #404 Decatur Deb

Tool strategy depends on expected use over its life cycle. For a one-time project I go for Harbor Freight expendables. But my daily hammer is this:

On watch repair forums, aspiring hobbyist watch repairers often post, asking about this or that kit they found on Ebay, or Harbor Freight. We tell ‘em don’t cheap out on tools. Cheap tools will break your heart, when you try to hold that tiny jewel to clean it and it snaps into oblivion.

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wheat-dogg  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:26:50am

re: #412 b_sharp

That’s a new one on me.

And using it as an insult is pretty stupid.

Rage Furby has claimed online he is autistic. I doubt it’s a clinical assessment.

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wheat-dogg  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:28:52am

re: #413 Blind Frog Belly White

On watch repair forums, aspiring hobbyist watch repairers often post, asking about this or that kit they found on Ebay, or Harbor Freight. We tell ‘em don’t cheap out on tools. Cheap tools will break your heart, when you try to hold that tiny jewel to clean it and it snaps into oblivion.

Likewise, kitchen cutlery. I had a cheap plastic knife handle shatter while I was slicing cheese one time. Luckily, no damage to me resulted.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:30:21am
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Decatur Deb  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:31:23am

re: #409 b_sharp

Lost an Estwing framing hammer when helping a friend build his house. I never replaced it, but I should have. A cheap 16oz just doesn’t do the job in many cases.

Let me know if it was a 24 oz English Pattern, lost near Birmingham.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:31:45am

“almost edible” - so, just like a modern fruitcake?

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ObserverArt  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:32:28am

re: #389 Hecuba’s daughter

Based only on one meme on his Facebook page , I wonder if James Fields is on the autistic spectrum. People with Asperger’s are more subject to idee fixe. In most cases, these fixations are benign or not harmful. However, Instapundit and a couple Republican legislatures have promoted the notion that it’s fine to run over protesters who don’t share your views. If Fields were exposed to such arguments, he might have adopted them without truly understanding the consequences.

There was an attack on a speaker at Ohio State University a couple years back. The guy speaking was on the steps of the Ohio State Student Union building. A young man with a U.S. Flag ran down the steps from the second floor and threw himself and the flag at the speaker and knocked him to the bottom of the stairs violently.

After some study it was determined he was on the spectrum and was revved up by others around and lashed out not thinking of what he was doing being caught in the moment and wanting to please his group.

The guy that was attacked did not press charges once he understood the issues. He forgave the young conservative. He was a Muslim, forgiveness part of his religion too.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:32:42am

re: #418 Blind Frog Belly White

“almost edible” - so, just like a modern fruitcake?

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Still suitable for re-gifting.

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jaunte  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:33:26am

re: #418 Blind Frog Belly White

I thought I put that where no one could find it.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:34:07am

re: #415 wheat-dogg

Likewise, kitchen cutlery. I had a cheap plastic knife handle shatter while I was slicing cheese one time. Luckily, no damage to me resulted.

Like tools for wood bowyery - you CAN use a lot of things. But Nichols #49 and #50 pattern rasps, and a set of well cared for and sharpened steel scrapers won’t let you down.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:35:17am
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Stanley Sea  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:35:22am

Soooo, I signed off early last night.

What did I miss?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:35:35am

re: #420 Decatur Deb

Still suitable for re-gifting.

Hawaii Sister-In-Law was once able to render a fruitcake edible. The key is to drench it in rum. Repeatedly.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:37:31am

re: #425 Blind Frog Belly White

Hawaii Sister-In-Law was once able to render a fruitcake edible. The key is to drench it in rum. Repeatedly.

In PA, the home-made ones used to be ‘cured’ in brandy for a year or so. People would hang them in a cool place, in a cheesecloth wrap.

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:38:30am

Thanks for the advice/suggestions for a glue gun.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:39:21am

re: #426 Decatur Deb

In PA, the home-made ones used to be ‘cured’ in brandy for a year or so. People would hang them in a cool place, in a cheesecloth wrap.

Right. The ones they sell in stores are not a finished product.

EDIT: Just like a salty pig leg is not a ham.

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b_sharp  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:39:30am

re: #417 Decatur Deb

Let me know if it was a 24 oz English Pattern, lost near Birmingham.

You found it? Good. Send it back to me.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:40:47am

re: #418 Blind Frog Belly White

“almost edible” - so, just like a modern fruitcake?

Don’t hate me, but I like fruitcake.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:41:09am

re: #429 b_sharp

You found it? Good. Send it back to me.

It’s precious, so I’ll send it by courier, COD.

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b_sharp  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:41:20am

re: #424 Stanley Sea

Soooo, I signed off early last night.

What did I miss?

A one sided argument.

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b_sharp  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:41:42am

re: #425 Blind Frog Belly White

Hawaii Sister-In-Law was once able to render a fruitcake edible. The key is to drench it in rum. Repeatedly.

That’s how V makes them.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:42:03am

re: #432 b_sharp

A one sided argument.

And Big Bad Dumbass was back again.

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Myron Falwell  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:42:19am

re: #424 Stanley Sea

Soooo, I signed off early last night.

What did I miss?

That 20-year-old Nazi who used his car as a murderous weapon is everything we assumed he was (from Kentucky, member of Vanagard, publicly marched with the other Nazis, etc., &c.).

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b_sharp  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:42:31am

re: #430 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Don’t hate me, but I like fruitcake.

I eat it, but it’s a passive like, not an active like.

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:43:28am

It is not for sale now but it is supposed to be a good fruit cake. It might be for sale later this year.
williams-sonoma.com

Amazon has them too.
amazon.com

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jaunte  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:43:53am

re: #436 b_sharp

The cake is fine, if you can eat around the “fruit”

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fern01  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:44:46am

re: #408 Myron Falwell

I have no doubt that his alleged lack of a mental state will be used as a defense not unlike Dylan Roof.

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In one article that spoke of his mother’s comments (sorry lost the link) it was mentioned that he could not join the army because of “mental health” issues. Started already.

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Myron Falwell  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:46:36am

re: #439 fern01

In one article that spoke of his mother’s comments (sorry lost the link) it was mentioned that he could not join the army because of “mental health” issues. Started already.

Like fucking clockwork.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:47:11am

re: #438 jaunte

The cake is fine, if you can eat around the “fruit”

Just think of it as the medieval European equivalent of Elvish lembas

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nines09  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:48:40am

I follow Joe Bonamassa, and I see this.


Ok. The guitar is Terry Reid. Umm….Go digging and..

Terry Reid and his guitar.

So then I dig up Terry Reid on Wiki

Fascinating. Turned down Led Zepp and Deep Purple.
That’s how I stumble upon little known gems.

Then

Terry Reid - Seed Of Memory [HQ]

Now

Terry Reid @ Komedia Seed Of Memory

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dangerman  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:49:35am

re: #307 Myron Falwell

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i quibble. i wish everyone would stop saying “should have no place”

say it: “has no place”

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lawhawk  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:49:35am

Greets and saluts from the Resistance in the NYC metro area. The events of the past 48 hours have been horrific and clarifying. We know Trump is an evil bigot, and his admin and his statements are proof that the white supremacists and Nazis have support in the highest office in the nation.

Trump refused to condemn the terrorist attack against protesters who were condemning white supremacists and Nazis marching in VA. It doesn’t take 140 characters to say “I condemn the violence by white supremacists and Nazis”. Rather Trump went both sides to equate protests by white supremacists and Nazis with the protesters getting killed and attacked by the white supremacists and Nazis.

Don’t think for a moment that this wont embolden the white supremacists and Nazis throughout the country. They’ve seen Trump run with their anti-immigrant platform and they have a friend in Trump. Just because Ivanka posted some mealy-mouthed tweet this morning doesn’t diminish the fact that Daddy didn’t and wont do the same.

Heck, we all know that Trump would have called this an act of terrorism the moment he thought that the driver involved was identified as a Muslim. He would have called for a further travel ban, more surveillance of mosques, and curbing civil rights of Muslims. What we do know is that Trump has shifted DOJ/LEO priorities away from right wing domestic terror groups to focus on radical Islamic terrorists, even though the majority of terrorism in this country has been the right wing variety.

The common themes among terrorists in the US these days has been the fact that white power and supposed feelings of lost power are themes found in the writings of those carrying out these attacks.

And that leads us back to those confederate statues. Most were erected in the Jim Crow/Segregation era to remind blacks of who was in charge and what they’d like to see reemerge. The claims of southern heritage are interlaced with the belief that slavery was taken from them and that is a right that they’ve been denied.

The GOP has exploited this for decades, and the same people who claim Democrats fought to maintain slavery ignore that the parties flipped after passage of the Civil Rights Act once and for all because the GOP is currently the party of bigotry and white power. While the GOP was once the party of Lincoln, it is now the Party of Trump.

The GOP owns all this and so much more for their craven silence to oppose Trump from the get-go when he was quoting white supremacists affirmatively all through the campaign and when he brought bigots into his campaign like Gorka, Bannon, and Miller.

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Interesting Times  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:50:03am

o.O

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The Spite House  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:51:42am
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Stanley Sea  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:52:07am

re: #435 Myron Falwell

That 20-year-old Nazi who used his car as a murderous weapon is everything we assumed he was (from Kentucky, member of Vanagard, publicly marched with the other Nazis, etc., &c.).

And the yam hasn’t called it terrorism, correct?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:54:05am

re: #447 Stanley Sea

And the yam hasn’t called it terrorism, correct?

Not only did he blame BOTH sides, he blamed MANY sides.

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dangerman  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:55:08am

re: #445 Interesting Times

o.O

[Embedded content]White people: look at this checklist for fascist beliefs. Now rate what percent nazi your parents are.

a wonder zero.

now off to toil in the flowerbeds for a few hours. 90+ degrees here in sofla. wind chill makes it 106

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lawhawk  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:55:12am

re: #447 Stanley Sea

And the yam hasn’t called it terrorism, correct?

He still hasn’t called the Minnesota mosque bombing terrorism. That would be admitting that terrorism isn’t solely the purview of radical Islamic terrorists.

Trump has devoted his rhetoric to casting the radical Islamic terrorist and Muslims generally as the enemy. The reality that right wingers and white supremacists are terrorists diminishes his messaging and would attack Trump’s own core supporters.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:55:35am

re: #445 Interesting Times

o.O

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I think a lot of white people need to measure themselves against that list. I can proudly say that my parents come out pretty much 0% Nazi.

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:56:54am

re: #450 lawhawk

He hasn’t even acknowledged the MN. bombing, let alone called it terrorism.

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William Lewis  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:57:46am

re: #440 Myron Falwell

Like fucking clockwork.

More to it than some. He was apparently separated from the Army after only 4 months. Uncle knows when someone won’t cut it (had several in my BCT class) and lets them go as soon as possible.

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Interesting Times  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:58:33am
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jaunte  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:58:42am

“Many senior White House officials; no one in particular.”

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 13, 2017 • 8:58:49am

Has Dim Jim found Fields’ political party affiliation yet?

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Stanley Sea  Aug 13, 2017 • 9:00:48am

There are protests.

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jaunte  Aug 13, 2017 • 9:01:05am
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Ace Rothstein  Aug 13, 2017 • 9:02:16am

re: #457 Stanley Sea

There are protests.

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Blue city. Doesn’t matter.
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electrotek  Aug 13, 2017 • 9:02:28am

The derp:

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b_sharp  Aug 13, 2017 • 9:04:30am

re: #448 Blind Frog Belly White

Not only did he blame BOTH sides, he blamed MANY sides.

He’s still counting them in his head.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 13, 2017 • 9:05:38am

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electrotek  Aug 13, 2017 • 9:05:43am

Didn’t take long:

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jaunte  Aug 13, 2017 • 9:06:30am

Here’s another example of how much white supremacism is coded into the standard language of the Republican party, in this case, “Democrat (POC) cities bad, Republican (white) countryside good.”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 13, 2017 • 9:07:31am

re: #354 darthstar

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Criswell Bacon predicts this is Trump’s reply to an upset Davey Duke…

Brenda Lee - I’m Sorry

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 13, 2017 • 9:07:35am

re: #464 jaunte

He is one scary motherfucker.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 13, 2017 • 9:08:40am

re: #464 jaunte

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Here’s another example of how much white supremacism is coded into the standard language of the Republican party, in this case, “Democrat (POC) cities bad, Republican (white) countryside good.”

“Real America” vs “urban hellholes”.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 13, 2017 • 9:09:52am

re: #418 Blind Frog Belly White

“almost edible” - so, just like a modern fruitcake?

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I addressed this business of eternal fruitcake last October on this string about the World ‘s Worst Halloween Candy.
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It is sold for the same reason holiday fruitcake is still marketed throughout the civilized world, and even in Lubbock: Nobody likes it but it has acquired the sacrosanct status of “tradition.”

Incidentally, no new fruitcakes have been manufactured since 1977. They are like pre-‘86 licensed machine guns in that respect. The existing supply is simply passed around, usually among family groups. Each recipient hides the unwelcome morsel until the next round of holidays, then unloads it on someone else. Since no attempt is made to actually eat the things, noone is the wiser. Besides, a 40 year old fruitcake in its canister is probably as edible as it ever was.
True.
Fact.
Confirmed

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Jay C  Aug 13, 2017 • 9:10:14am

re: #454 Interesting Times

Of course that “leftist mob” was “violent”!
I mean, really: look at the damage they did to poor James Field’s front bumpers!

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mmmirele  Aug 13, 2017 • 9:10:28am

re: #126 Patricia Kayden

How about we stop tolerating Nazi marches which devolve into violent attacks and murder? How about starting out with the premise that we don’t allow hate groups to parade around?

We can’t do that. What we can do is meet them with overwhelming numbers. I remember back in the day (MTV was in its infancy) when the Klan came to Austin to protest at the state capitol, you’d have six Klansmen in robes, 600 or more cops on hand and 6,000 howling students and Austinites. Yeah, everything was peaceful. But this was only achieved after a riot between the Klan and the John Brown Anti-Klan Committee which was lightly policed and resulted in injuries.

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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 13, 2017 • 9:11:13am

So some interesting German and Russian words have come up. Words we don’t have in English. Today’s addition is nasuko. It’s from Cebuano, a Philippine dialect. It’s what I feel this morning. I left the TV off not really wanting the aggravation of punditry antics in pursuit of ratings.

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The Spite House  Aug 13, 2017 • 9:13:28am

re: #469 Jay C

LOOK AT THIS POOR, PEACEFUL SOUL THEY “VICTIMIZED!”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 13, 2017 • 9:14:04am

The music is so appropriate!

Now who is that asshole at the end of the clip in the tricorner hat?

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retired cynic  Aug 13, 2017 • 9:14:55am

re: #388 jaunte

So much for John Schindler. Again.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 13, 2017 • 9:20:57am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 13, 2017 • 9:23:54am

The new 14 words:
Help
I can’t see anything
Keep streaming me
More milk
I need more milk

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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 13, 2017 • 9:24:09am

re: #470 mmmirele

Quite so. No shortcuts, like abrogating the 1st A. Which is what it would take to ban a hate group from gathering, speaking etc. We do not regulate beliefs here. We regulate public speech and gatherings by behavior. What they do. we can’t go by what cause it is or what the popular momentary culture thinks of this group or that.

Lets talk plainly. If you bring shields, body armor and (maybe) barely legal weapons or guns to a protest expect to be treated as one seeking violence by diligent police. Or national guard. Or me if I’m some guy trying to be a lawful protester. I’ll not take a beating without resistance. The police can and must keep these protest/counter-protest groups separated. Where they don’t try they are complicit. Of course sometimes surprise is a factor, and crowds sometimes outmaneuver police.

But we do have to hit the streets to show our numbers. With some smarts and care.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 13, 2017 • 9:24:18am
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The Spite House  Aug 13, 2017 • 9:24:41am
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electrotek  Aug 13, 2017 • 9:27:02am

hahahahahaha

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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 13, 2017 • 9:27:28am

Why is the media characterizing helicopter crash deaths as because of the protests? What did I miss? Seems one dead from the violence and 2 dead as a result of a crash, cause undetermined.

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 13, 2017 • 9:29:05am

re: #406 No Depression

I’m guessing the “Weaponized Autism” meme, which is a 4chan term for using “autism” (meaning social awkwardness, tech savvy, and obsessive attention to small details) to effect some kind of social or political change. The vast majority of people who use it on the internet are not autistic, and are using autistic as a self-deprecating insult.

I did not know it was a 4chan term, but that doesn’t mean that Fields is not autistic. Isn’t there evidence that the tech field attracts many who actually have this syndrome?

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ObserverArt  Aug 13, 2017 • 9:32:04am

re: #454 Interesting Times

When I asked senior WH official why Trump didn’t condemn Cville Nazis, he said: “What about the leftist mob. Just as violent if not more so”

Freakin’ Rich Lowery tried that shit on Meat The Chuck this morning…’tis why I called him a worm up thread.

Joy Reid was gonna tear him a new one fresh on TeeVee and started in when Meat Chuck tossed in the towel for a convenient commercial break.

Lowery is really a little snake. He always has that little smile right before he spews stupid shit.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 13, 2017 • 9:36:01am

re: #483 ObserverArt

Freakin’ Rich Lowery tried that shit on Meat The Chuck this morning…’tis why I called him a worm up thread.

Joy Reid was gonna tear him a new one fresh on TeeVee and started in when Meat Chuck tossed in the towel for a convenient commercial break.

Lowery is really a little snake. He always has that little smile right before he spews stupid shit.

You can always count on Chuck U Todd giving RepubliKKKlans pass after pass on Press The Meat!

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 13, 2017 • 9:37:43am

re: #483 ObserverArt

Lowrey is one smug c u next tuesday.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 13, 2017 • 9:38:22am

The Top Dog hot dog joint in Berkeley may have fired nazi bitch Cole White, but they are not off the hook yet. It seems that they make a regular practice of posting antisemitic propaganda from the crank Ludwig von Mises Institute on their website, so Cole may not be an isolated “bolt from the blue” case at all. The locals are really trashing them at yelp.com

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ObserverArt  Aug 13, 2017 • 9:38:51am

I wish people would learn that Trump is all the things he appears to be and stop trying to figure out “what his motives are.”

His motives come from within, not without like a politician.

He isn’t being advised, he hired people to do what he wants. He fires the ones that do not.

He is not being easy on alt-right nationalists because it is his base. He is one.

His policies on immigration seem to be bigoted. Because he is a bigot.

There is no more to it than that.

Accept it. And Reject It…Reject Trump.

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 13, 2017 • 9:39:45am

What the fuck is this Trump “cherish our history” shit? The 3/5’s part? The slave ship part? The native American genocide part?

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KGxvi  Aug 13, 2017 • 9:40:47am

re: #481 Unshaken Defiance

Why is the media characterizing helicopter crash deaths as because of the protests? What did I miss? Seems one dead from the violence and 2 dead as a result of a crash, cause undetermined.

CNN said yesterday the helicopter was out because of the rallies. So it is sort of a proximate cause argument

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 13, 2017 • 9:40:56am

re: #487 ObserverArt

I agree with you. People are always trying to overthink this and there is nothing to overthink. He is what he is and will not change. Ever.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 13, 2017 • 9:41:04am
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retired cynic  Aug 13, 2017 • 9:41:24am

...

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 13, 2017 • 9:42:09am

re: #491 FormerDirtDart

Nephew-nazi?

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Eventual Carrion  Aug 13, 2017 • 9:42:32am

re: #345 darthstar

“I’m a white nationalist, just not an angry white nationalist.”…yeah, right, asshole.

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From their fruits ye shall know them

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 13, 2017 • 9:42:38am

re: #488 Ace Rothstein

What the fuck is this Trump “cherish our history” shit? The 3/5’s part? The slave ship part? The native American genocide part?

The Ozzie and Harriet or Father Knows Best part

You know…….the idealized and romanticized lily-white 1950’s WASPish America.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 13, 2017 • 9:42:54am

Trump’s “all sides” whataboutism is a national disgrace. People who protest Nazis are not in any way equivalent to Nazis, even when they commit violence. A hell of a lot of violence was necessary to eradicate this vermin before. It may not be legal but it is not a sin.

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retired cynic  Aug 13, 2017 • 9:43:58am

re: #492 retired cynic

I posted the text and image from the NASA photo of the day for today, and realized that wasn’t a good deal. Please go see it. It’s a wonderful “Detailed View of a Solar Eclipse Corona”

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 13, 2017 • 9:44:09am

If you’re a “white nationalist” you are an enemy of the human race.

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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 13, 2017 • 9:44:18am

re: #489 KGxvi

CNN said yesterday the helicopter was out because of the rallies. So it is sort of a proximate cause argument

The conflation that results is rather deceiving. Oh well. Media. Thanks for the explanation.

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KGxvi  Aug 13, 2017 • 9:44:24am

re: #493 Ace Rothstein

Nephew-nazi?

Hell of an autocorrect typo. But I’m just going to imagine it was written by Steven Miller’s pissed off aunt

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Jay C  Aug 13, 2017 • 9:46:26am

re: #481 Unshaken Defiance

Why is the media characterizing helicopter crash deaths as because of the protests? What did I miss? Seems one dead from the violence and 2 dead as a result of a crash, cause undetermined.

1. It’s the media.
2. The crash happened during the protests.
3. Media are mostly stupid.

Linking the crash and the riot as news events is the simplistic thing to do, see point 3 above: Whether or not there is any actual link, outside of sheer unfortunate timing won’t be found out until a thorough investigation is complete.

BTW, I’m thinking “not”: helicopters are complex and often-unreliable machines, barring some unambiguous evidence (like bullet holes in the windshield), I’m guessing “mechanical failure” as the cause.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 13, 2017 • 9:46:55am

Long thread

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 13, 2017 • 9:47:22am

re: #488 Ace Rothstein

What the fuck is this Trump “cherish our history” shit? The 3/5’s part? The slave ship part? The native American genocide part?

All of the above, Ace! And then some…

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Stanley Sea  Aug 13, 2017 • 9:48:21am

re: #493 Ace Rothstein

Nephew-nazi?

They are beyond incompetent

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Belafon  Aug 13, 2017 • 9:49:27am

re: #459 Ace Rothstein

Blue city. Doesn’t matter.
/

So is Charlottesville.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 13, 2017 • 9:50:13am

“Violence from all sides” Fuck off, tRump

Anti-Nazi activist from 1944:

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Jay C  Aug 13, 2017 • 9:50:38am

re: #493 Ace Rothstein

Nephew-nazi?

Ja! Onkel Adolf’s kleine jugend……

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retired cynic  Aug 13, 2017 • 9:50:45am

re: #497 retired cynic

I posted the text and image from the NASA photo of the day for today, and realized that wasn’t a good deal. Please go see it. It’s a wonderful “Detailed View of a Solar Eclipse Corona”

And if you love that, the photos for August 7 and August 8 are glorious as well.

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KGxvi  Aug 13, 2017 • 9:52:28am

Helpful primer on neonazi symbolsfrom CNN

The iron cross isn’t surprising and always bothered me when I saw it among surfers

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ObserverArt  Aug 13, 2017 • 9:56:48am

re: #501 Jay C

1. It’s the media.
2. The crash happened during the protests.
3. Media are mostly stupid.

Linking the crash and the riot as news events is the simplistic thing to do, see point 3 above: Whether or not there is any actual link, outside of sheer unfortunate timing won’t be found out until a thorough investigation is complete.

BTW, I’m thinking “not”: helicopters are complex and often-unreliable machines, barring some unambiguous evidence (like bullet holes in the windshield), I’m guessing “mechanical failure” as the cause.

What part of sensationalism do you not understand?

We got papers to sell, sites to click on and gasp.

Information we will get wrong…

…and those memories last.

In another year someone “protesting” a peaceful gathering did something to that helicopter and heros died. A man was scared and panicked, driving his car into a woman to escape the real protesters. All to allow freedom of speech for the unfortunate and misunderstood nazi.

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Skip Intro  Aug 13, 2017 • 10:01:53am

re: #283 Myron Falwell

She should also tell her brother. She won’t, of course, because she’s just trying to protect her brand here.

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sagehen  Aug 13, 2017 • 10:03:14am

re: #373 Colère Tueur de Lapin

This particular bit of sophistry is at the heart of all the bigotry and hatred that (supposedly) gives these aholes the ability to distance themselves from what they are actually saying.

And, really, no. This does not give you plausible deniability in your desire to create a whites only enclave.

When he gave that interview, I’m sure he was hoping the journalist wouldn’t realize “a future for white children” is 5 of the 14 words.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 13, 2017 • 10:04:27am

re: #472 The Spite House

LOOK AT THIS POOR, PEACEFUL SOUL THEY “VICTIMIZED!”

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‘Don’t mace me, bro!’

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wrenchwench  Aug 13, 2017 • 10:05:05am

I miss Happy Warrior. I hope he’s having a great time. When is he due back?

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 13, 2017 • 10:05:23am

re: #513 Timothy Watson

‘Don’t mace me, bro!’

Maced Alaska.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 13, 2017 • 10:08:35am
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The Spite House  Aug 13, 2017 • 10:10:03am

re: #498 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

If you’re a “white nationalist” you are an enemy of the human race.

These people can’t even tell you where “white” ends and “other” begins.

We know how they feel about Jews, but Italians? Irish? Eastern Europeans? Spaniards (love to see them wrestle with the nuances of that one)?

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BigPapa  Aug 13, 2017 • 10:10:04am

re: #515 Dr Lizardo

Maced Alaska.

Baked Alaska with Spicy Sauce

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jaunte  Aug 13, 2017 • 10:10:09am

re: #516 Stanley Sea

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 13, 2017 • 10:11:55am

re: #516 Stanley Sea

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To that White House Aide:

You know, there are other jobs than ‘White House Aide’, that won’t require you to make such embarrassing statements. Imagine spending a day not having to justify, explain away, handwave, or bullshit your way through.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 13, 2017 • 10:12:37am

Fucking GAH

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Timothy Watson  Aug 13, 2017 • 10:12:41am

re: #518 BigPapa

Baked Alaska with Spicy Sauce

They use capsaicin peppers on some hot wings. :)

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 13, 2017 • 10:14:22am

re: #521 Stanley Sea

Oy Vey. ::: eye roll :::

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Stanley Sea  Aug 13, 2017 • 10:15:58am

re: #523 PhillyPretzel

Oy Vey. ::: eye roll :::

The only good that could come out of this is if they wear their maga hats.

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jaunte  Aug 13, 2017 • 10:17:03am

re: #521 Stanley Sea

Jelani Cobb:

“The sickening images that emerged from Charlottesville herald that some moment has arrived. It is a moment of indeterminate morality, one in which the centrifugal forces of contempt, resentment, and racial superiority are pitted against the ideal of common humanity and the possibility of a civic society. We have entered a new phase of the Trump era. The breach that Trump has courted since he first emerged in public life has become apparent; it is more deadly and its architects more emboldened. What happened in Virginia was not the culminating battle of this conflict. It’s likely a tragic preface to more of the same.”
newyorker.com

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 13, 2017 • 10:17:04am

re: #515 Dr Lizardo

Maced Alaska.

re: #518 BigPapa

Baked Alaska with Spicy Sauce

Alaska Arrabbiata

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darthstar  Aug 13, 2017 • 10:17:25am

From a friend’s facebook comments - some quality sarcasm:

So glad I listened to Trump’s speech from earlier in the day. I’m reminded that there were people marching today in support of and in opposition to vague causes which shall not be specifically named but are equally bad, and the events in Charlottesville today are a poignant reminder that the U.S. economy, out of nowhere, has suddenly become really great.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 13, 2017 • 10:18:03am
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sagehen  Aug 13, 2017 • 10:18:39am

re: #383 nines09

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It’s spelled “capisce”.

Other than that, a fine tweet.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 13, 2017 • 10:19:30am

Click on Viser’s tweet for the replies.

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darthstar  Aug 13, 2017 • 10:19:41am
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BeachDem  Aug 13, 2017 • 10:21:42am

re: #511 Skip Intro

She should also tell her brother. She won’t, of course, because she’s just trying to protect her brand here.

Also, Cristina Silva of Newsweek—

Ivanka said (mumbled) SHOULD not WILL

First daughter Ivanka Trump said the United States will not tolerate neo-Nazis…

newsweek.com

Coulda, shoulda, woulda.

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wrenchwench  Aug 13, 2017 • 10:23:13am

re: #525 jaunte

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Interesting Times  Aug 13, 2017 • 10:24:12am
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darthstar  Aug 13, 2017 • 10:24:20am
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meteor  Aug 13, 2017 • 10:25:12am

re: #58 retired cynic

I didn’t get much sleep last night.

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Interesting Times  Aug 13, 2017 • 10:26:19am
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electrotek  Aug 13, 2017 • 10:26:31am

Facebook Post

So many triggered comments

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KGxvi  Aug 13, 2017 • 10:27:10am

Something struck me about Trump’s speech yesterday… he was basically reading the entire thing. And it was obvious he hadn’t read it or practiced beforehand. You almost never see his eyes, just his eyelids because he’s looking down for 10-15 seconds, looks up for 2-3 seconds and then looks back down. Not sure what exactly it means, other than the fact that he’s an idiot who can’t retain more than 10 key words, but it was really strange to me.

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sagehen  Aug 13, 2017 • 10:28:16am

re: #418 Blind Frog Belly White

“almost edible” - so, just like a modern fruitcake?

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Fruitcake is the goyische version of matzo balls.

Nobody eats them; nobody can quite explain why people keep making them. But it’s somehow important they be there when you take photos of your holiday meal.

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jaunte  Aug 13, 2017 • 10:29:06am
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Belafon  Aug 13, 2017 • 10:31:36am

re: #525 jaunte

Jelani Cobb:

Yes. Whether they win depends on everyone else.

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jaunte  Aug 13, 2017 • 10:32:12am

Meanwhile at the Diet Daily Stormer:

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BeachDem  Aug 13, 2017 • 10:33:46am

re: #543 jaunte

Meanwhile at the Diet Daily Stormer:

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Interesting Times  Aug 13, 2017 • 10:35:14am
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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 13, 2017 • 10:35:16am

re: #543 jaunte

Gah. Just Paged something to push back on that kind of thinking. Multi sourced, images, my take, lots of links.

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The Spite House  Aug 13, 2017 • 10:36:23am

re: #534 Interesting Times

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*sigh* Seeing her makes me so sad she blocked me. :(

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 13, 2017 • 10:36:29am

re: #543 jaunte

Meanwhile at the Diet Daily Stormer:

“There’s a reason those people were out there”

Wait! I know this one! The answer is, “Because they’re Nazis and racists and they wanted to defend a monument to racism”!

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Semper Fi  Aug 13, 2017 • 10:36:31am

re: #539 KGxvi

Something struck me about Trump’s speech yesterday… he was basically reading the entire thing. And it was obvious he hadn’t read it or practiced beforehand. You almost never see his eyes, just his eyelids because he’s looking down for 10-15 seconds, looks up for 2-3 seconds and then looks back down. Not sure what exactly it means, other than the fact that he’s an idiot who can’t retain more than 10 key words, but it was really strange to me.

He looks like a kid reading in front of the class…careful not to make mistakes.

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William Lewis  Aug 13, 2017 • 10:37:24am

re: #538 electrotek

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So many triggered comments

I always regretted never meeting them while I lived in Madison. I’d have loved to have a talk with either Shirley or Butch but I never was at the right place at quite the right time. Missed them by minutes a couple of times at Cafe Montmarte. Did see them in concert though so that’s better than nothing.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 13, 2017 • 10:37:56am
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Interesting Times  Aug 13, 2017 • 10:40:11am

re: #547 The Spite House

*sigh* Seeing her makes me so sad she blocked me. :(

Any idea why? Maybe you got caught up in some group-blocking sweep?

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Jay C  Aug 13, 2017 • 10:40:39am

re: #539 KGxvi

Something struck me about Trump’s speech yesterday… he was basically reading the entire thing. And it was obvious he hadn’t read it or practiced beforehand. You almost never see his eyes, just his eyelids because he’s looking down for 10-15 seconds, looks up for 2-3 seconds and then looks back down. Not sure what exactly it means, other than the fact that he’s an idiot who can’t retain more than 10 key words, but it was really strange to me.

Not strange to me: it’s Trump’s usual way of “delivering” remarks he

1. Hasn’t been extensively familiarized with beforehand
2. Contains info outside of his usual boilerplate sloganeering
3. Doesn’t allow for either self-promoting braggadocio or insults towards opponents
4. Contains stuff he doesn’t really agree with

My own analysis is that the man is severely dyslexic, probably has been for most of his life, and is getting worse with age. In his previous (business) career he could get away with minimal literacy - after all, his “wealth” (and its subsequent dissolution) was built on the manipulation of numbers and concepts: I think that even today, Donald could cobble up a lucrative real-estate deal, calculate all the figures to maximize profits down to the last dollar, and remember to insert the typical/usual number of legal outs and weasel-holes to minimize his liability/exposure. But without a staff to do the paperwork for him, he’s lost: and probably couldn’t adequately read through his own deal.
Just another “not useful in a President of the United States” Trump trait: and sadly, it’s not the only, or worst one….

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b_sharp  Aug 13, 2017 • 10:41:13am

re: #539 KGxvi

Something struck me about Trump’s speech yesterday… he was basically reading the entire thing. And it was obvious he hadn’t read it or practiced beforehand. You almost never see his eyes, just his eyelids because he’s looking down for 10-15 seconds, looks up for 2-3 seconds and then looks back down. Not sure what exactly it means, other than the fact that he’s an idiot who can’t retain more than 10 key words, but it was really strange to me.

Possibly he was entering/having/leaving another dementia episode at the time of the conference so his handlers decided he had to read it. That would limit his extemporaneous faux pas.

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The Spite House  Aug 13, 2017 • 10:41:54am

re: #552 Interesting Times

Any idea why? Maybe you got caught up in some group-blocking sweep?

Nah, it was right after this.

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jaunte  Aug 13, 2017 • 10:44:02am
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Interesting Times  Aug 13, 2017 • 10:45:56am

re: #555 The Spite House

Weird. I’m still thinking it was a miss-click or she got you mixed up with someone else. And then there’s apparently some twitter function (which I’ve never personally used or explored) that lets you block all people with something in common (either comments on a thread, or followers of someone else, or…I don’t recall the specifics. I think Charles got caught up in it a few times)

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 13, 2017 • 10:46:37am

re: #464 jaunte

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Here’s another example of how much white supremacism is coded into the standard language of the Republican party, in this case, “Democrat (POC) cities bad, Republican (white) countryside good.”

He’s yet another TexAssHole!

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wrenchwench  Aug 13, 2017 • 10:48:10am

re: #554 b_sharp

Possibly he was entering/having/leaving another dementia episode at the time of the conference so his handlers decided he had to read it. That would limit his extemporaneous faux pas.

I learned recently (from my neurologist, but not about me, personally) that when your mind is going, the ability to read is one of the last things you lose.

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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 13, 2017 • 10:48:33am

re: #556 jaunte

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Stanley Sea  Aug 13, 2017 • 10:49:29am

re: #539 KGxvi

Something struck me about Trump’s speech yesterday… he was basically reading the entire thing. And it was obvious he hadn’t read it or practiced beforehand. You almost never see his eyes, just his eyelids because he’s looking down for 10-15 seconds, looks up for 2-3 seconds and then looks back down. Not sure what exactly it means, other than the fact that he’s an idiot who can’t retain more than 10 key words, but it was really strange to me.

I watched it live, it’s not being shown on replayed clips, he walked away from the podium, had to be redirected back to the table on the other side of the stage to sign the VA thingy.

He was lost. Again.

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b_sharp  Aug 13, 2017 • 10:49:31am

re: #557 Interesting Times

Weird. I’m still thinking it was a miss-click or she got you mixed up with someone else. And then there’s apparently some twitter function (which I’ve never personally used or explored) that lets you block all people with something in common (either comments on a thread, or followers of someone else, or…I don’t recall the specifics. I think Charles got caught up in it a few times)

I use the Twitter Block Chain app.

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b_sharp  Aug 13, 2017 • 10:52:05am

re: #559 wrenchwench

I learned recently (from my neurologist, but not about me, personally) that when your mind is going, the ability to read is one of the last things you lose.

V’s mind is deteriorating, she’s having minor symptoms of dementia. Her reading ability is still top notch.

She’s been tested & the doc says it isn’t serious yet.

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 13, 2017 • 10:52:30am

re: #561 Stanley Sea

He is losing it. Mueller had better hurry it up and get that evidence.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 13, 2017 • 10:54:09am

re: #561 Stanley Sea

I watched it live, it’s not being shown on replayed clips, he walked away from the podium, had to be redirected back to the table on the other side of the stage to sign the VA thingy.

He was lost. Again.

Maybe sundowning?

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Stanley Sea  Aug 13, 2017 • 10:54:51am

re: #555 The Spite House

Nah, it was right after this.

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LOL, that at least was worthy.

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wrenchwench  Aug 13, 2017 • 10:55:53am

re: #563 b_sharp

V’s mind is deteriorating, she’s having minor symptoms of dementia. Her reading ability is still top notch.

She’s been tested & the doc says it isn’t serious yet.

I was tested, an all-day session. Using algorithms and a vocabulary test, they figure I used to be above average. Now I’m average. That’s OK, considering.

{{{V}}} {{b_sharp}}

568
Targetpractice  Aug 13, 2017 • 10:56:31am

re: #556 jaunte

[Embedded content]

A sentiment that would be exactly the opposite if the victim had been a Nazi and the driver one of the counter-protesters.

569
William Lewis  Aug 13, 2017 • 10:57:10am

re: #567 wrenchwench

I was tested, an all-day session. Using algorithms and a vocabulary test, they figure I used to be above average. Now I’m average. That’s OK, considering.

{{{V}}} {{b_sharp}}

From the accident?

570
wrenchwench  Aug 13, 2017 • 10:57:32am

re: #569 William Lewis

From the accident?

Yep.

571
Stanley Sea  Aug 13, 2017 • 10:59:37am

re: #565 Dr Lizardo

Maybe sundowning?

Yup. Exactly like the time with Bibi & the time in the oval with the commerce sec.

572
Targetpractice  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:00:23am

The people who spent years crowing about how Obama would not say “radical Islamic terrorist” now can’t say Nazi or white supremacist without muttering it before launching into a “Both Sides” justification for the violence.

573
JordanRules  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:01:21am

Good thoughts on 1A on his timeline from earlier today. I don’t think all of it is threaded.

574
darthstar  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:01:37am

re: #565 Dr Lizardo

Maybe sundowning?

This has been mentioned a few times in recent months. He’s already worse than Reagan was.

575
b_sharp  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:01:39am

re: #567 wrenchwench

I was tested, an all-day session. Using algorithms and a vocabulary test, they figure I used to be above average. Now I’m average. That’s OK, considering.

{{{V}}} {{b_sharp}}

{{{WW}}}

576
Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:01:59am

re: #551 FormerDirtDart

Full video:
archive.org

577
The Vicious Babushka  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:02:07am

re: #540 sagehen

Fruitcake is the goyische version of matzo balls.

Nobody eats them; nobody can quite explain why people keep making them. But it’s somehow important they be there when you take photos of your holiday meal.

I love matzo balls & eat them every week.

578
The Vicious Babushka  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:05:21am

re: #539 KGxvi

Something struck me about Trump’s speech yesterday… he was basically reading the entire thing. And it was obvious he hadn’t read it or practiced beforehand. You almost never see his eyes, just his eyelids because he’s looking down for 10-15 seconds, looks up for 2-3 seconds and then looks back down. Not sure what exactly it means, other than the fact that he’s an idiot who can’t retain more than 10 key words, but it was really strange to me.

He is so vain he refuses to wear glasses. The teleprompter is set at the largest font size, which only shows 6 or 7 words at a time so he reads those words in a flat affect and waits for the next 6 words.

579
FormerDirtDart  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:05:37am

re: #576 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Full video:
archive.org

Don’t Be a Sucker - 1947

580
darthstar  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:06:02am
581
Stanley Sea  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:06:17am

They’re protecting his free speech

582
Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:06:25am

re: #540 sagehen

Fruitcake is the goyische version of matzo balls.

Nobody eats them; nobody can quite explain why people keep making them. But it’s somehow important they be there when you take photos of your holiday meal.

There are two fruitcakes that I love— Harry & David’s and Claxton’s. Mom bought Clayton bricks, froze them and then sliced them thin and topped with real whipped cream or a scoop of French Vanilla ice cream.

583
Dr Lizardo  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:07:00am

re: #574 darthstar

This has been mentioned a few times in recent months. He’s already worse than Reagan was.

Yeah, I’d tend to agree - I remember Reagan’s presidency, and he was never this bad in public.

Stress can certainly exacerbate some conditions/disorders and let’s be honest here - being POTUS is quite possibly one of the most stressful jobs there is. It’s a 24/7/365 non-stop job. Hell, you’re POTUS even when you’re on vacation. Even when you’re asleep.

584
Targetpractice  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:07:17am

As for the whole “Both Sides” BS, you’ll notice that the people making this argument don’t want to address the images of Nazi skinheads showing up in paramilitary gear and loaded for bear. Or lugging around clubs and shields as if they’re extras in a Broadway production of Braveheart. Contrary to the arguments being made, only one side really came looking for a fight…and it wasn’t the counter-protesters.

585
Myron Falwell  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:09:09am

re: #581 Stanley Sea

They’re protecting his free speech

Being a rich male Nazi WASP has its perks.

586
Decatur Deb  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:09:12am

re: #543 jaunte

Meanwhile at the Diet Daily Stormer:

Fox & Friends defends white supremacist Charlottesville protesters: “There’s a reason those people were out there”

Yes, there is.

587
Charles Johnson  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:10:26am
588
William Lewis  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:12:40am

re: #570 wrenchwench

Yep.

{{{WW}}}

589
BeachDem  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:13:42am

re: #582 Joe Bacon 🌹

There are two fruitcakes that I love— Harry & David’s and Claxton’s. Mom bought Clayton bricks, froze them and then sliced them thin and topped with real whipped cream or a scoop of French Vanilla ice cream.

My BIL loves Claxton fruitcake, and before it was available in MA, I used to take him some when I went up for the holidays. Learned not to pack it in my carryon, however, when it apparently doesn’t “read” well on scanners, and I had to unpack my whole bag to show that it was fruitcake at the bottom, rather than…

590
FormerDirtDart  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:13:46am

re: #587 Charles Johnson

591
electrotek  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:14:29am
592
William Lewis  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:15:40am

re: #577 The Vicious Babushka

I love matzo balls & eat them every week.

I can be the fruit cake eater (with regular dried fruit is best - I really don’t like citron.) to balance that ;)

593
Targetpractice  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:16:50am

Man, Soros has a lot of paid actors on retainer. Can’t imagine how much he had to shell out to get all those guys dressed up like skinheads for this weekend.

//////

594
Stanley Sea  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:16:58am
595
FormerDirtDart  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:17:06am
596
Ace Rothstein  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:18:23am

I got fifty bucks that says Trump never utters the words “Heather Heyer.”

597
Myron Falwell  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:18:36am

re: #583 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, I’d tend to agree - I remember Reagan’s presidency, and he was never this bad in public.

Stress can certainly exacerbate some conditions/disorders and let’s be honest here - being POTUS is quite possibly one of the most stressful jobs there is. It’s a 24/7/365 non-stop job. Hell, you’re POTUS even when you’re on vacation. Even when you’re asleep.

Trump also has that Russian investigation hanging over his head.

Being exposed as a fraud who is up to his eyes in debt to Russian banks is the only thing he’s worried about. Everything else is immaterial.

598
William Lewis  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:18:48am

re: #590 FormerDirtDart

[Embedded content]

Eric really doesn’t want to admit he’s a part of the problem does he? I’d take his alligator tears much more seriously if his own hates hadn’t helped build the modern Nazi movement.

599
Ace Rothstein  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:18:49am

re: #595 FormerDirtDart

Can we have him back?

600
The Vicious Babushka  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:18:53am
601
Maxwell Not So Smart  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:19:07am

If anyone still had any doubt that the POTUS is a racist they should now know that he 100% is that and that the POTUS is really just an orange POS!

602
Myron Falwell  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:20:05am

re: #596 Ace Rothstein

I got fifty bucks that says Trump never utters the words “Heather Heyer.”

Easiest $50 you’ll ever make.

603
Ace Rothstein  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:20:16am

re: #593 Targetpractice

It’s got to be pretty damn expensive to ship in leftist protesters every weekend.
/

604
BeachDem  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:20:18am

Uh oh, Lindsey is once again “concerned” and calling for A REPORT:

Graham added that he would support the creation of a federal task force to investigate the “size and scope” of racist hate groups and to “report back to Congress to see if we need to do more in terms of suppressing them.”

huffingtonpost.com

Ummm, Lindsey, I can save you time, effort and money, and direct you to:

The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) attributed some of the growth to President Trump, who it described Wednesday in its quarterly Intelligence Report as having “electrified the radical right,” and whose campaign rallies, the report’s author claims, were “filled with just as much anti-establishment vitriol as any extremist rally.”

The White House did not respond to a request for comment on the report and its conclusions. Many of the groups the SPLC identified as part of the rise in extremist activity reject the label of “hate group…”

More prominent now are the groups born as think tanks and nonprofits, and the correlated emergence of the “alternative right,” which the SPLC argues is a “rebranding of white supremacy for public relations purposes.”

washingtonpost.com

605
ObserverArt  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:21:18am

So everyone in the media and the conservative pundits are all hoping our Rippling Orange Jello Jerky Boy President comes out and makes a new statement himself that is more what a President should have said at first.

Sorry. New statement cannot cover what was first said. It is clear he knows no better because that is exactly what he wanted to say.

Besides, it would just be lipstick on President Pig. No one that has a brain would take it serious and all would know he was driven to do it to make him look better.

There is no making Herr Trump look better. Stop trying.

606
William Lewis  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:21:44am

re: #591 electrotek

[Embedded content]

It’s not a thing I’d do but I spent 16 years taking Uncle Sam’s dollar defending her right to piss on that rag. Because that’s all any flag is.

I’m more angry at scum like the Pumpkin Pinochet who use the Constitution (something far more important than a flag) as toilet paper.

607
BeachDem  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:22:23am

re: #593 Targetpractice

Man, Soros has a lot of paid actors on retainer. Can’t imagine how much he had to shell out to get all those guys dressed up like skinheads for this weekend.

//////

If Soros were actually funding all the groups these idiots accuse him of funding he’d have run through all of his money and be panhandling for quarters by now.

608
Dr Lizardo  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:22:47am

re: #597 Myron Falwell

Trump also has that Russian investigation hanging over his head.

Being exposed as a fraud who is up to his eyes in debt to Russian banks is the only thing he’s worried about. Everything else is immaterial.

Oh, totally. That’s his greatest fear, probably bar none.

Well, good night Lizards - up early for work tomorrow.

609
Kragar  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:22:51am
610
ObserverArt  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:22:57am

re: #532 BeachDem

Also, Cristina Silva of Newsweek—

Ivanka said (mumbled) SHOULD not WILL

newsweek.com

Coulda, shoulda, woulda.

Alt-quotes.

It’s the new Journalismesque.

611
Myron Falwell  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:23:06am

re: #598 William Lewis

Eric really doesn’t want to admit he’s a part of the problem does he? I’d take his alligator tears much more seriously if his own hates hadn’t helped build the modern Nazi movement.

That being said, I’m fine with Erick Son of Erick going after Dineshit D’Felon.

612
Ace Rothstein  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:23:07am

re: #571 Stanley Sea

Yup. Exactly like the time with Bibi & the time in the oval with the commerce sec.

Or walking off the plane and veering right looking for the limo when it was three feet in front of him.

613
retired cynic  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:23:31am

re: #559 wrenchwench

I learned recently (from my neurologist, but not about me, personally) that when your mind is going, the ability to read is one of the last things you lose.

Good. Sigh.

614
Jebediah, RBG  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:23:51am
615
Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:24:17am

re: #606 William Lewis

It’s not a thing I’d do but I spent 16 years taking Uncle Sam’s dollar defending her right to piss on that rag. Because that’s all any flag is.

I’m more angry at scum like the Pumpkin Pinochet who use the Constitution (something far more important than a flag) as toilet paper.

THANK YOU! both for serving, AND for saying this.

I get so tired of people saying they spent X years defending the FLAG. It’s a SYMBOL, it’s not America.

616
Kragar  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:24:51am

re: #614 Jebediah, RBG

617
JordanRules  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:24:56am
618
Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:25:44am

YouTube

619
Stanley Sea  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:26:33am

re: #612 Ace Rothstein

Or walking off the plane and veering right looking for the limo when it was three feet in front of him.

So we’ve got 4 that we’ve seen.

620
Ace Rothstein  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:26:48am

re: #618 Blind Frog Belly White

Notice he says he’s not an angry racist, but doesn’t deny being a racist.

621
Ace Rothstein  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:27:43am

re: #619 Stanley Sea

How about the signing ceremony with the podium in the Oval Office when he walked out and the Gimp (Pence) had to chase him down?

622
ObserverArt  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:27:49am

re: #543 jaunte

Meanwhile at the Diet Daily Stormer:

[Embedded content]

Is that Abby Huntsman in the Fox News image?

623
Kragar  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:28:07am
624
Stanley Sea  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:28:35am

re: #621 Ace Rothstein

How about the signing ceremony with the podium in the Oval Office when he walked out and the Gimp (Pence) had to chase him down?

That was the commerce sec/dept event.

He just wanted his lunch.

625
Jay C  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:30:45am

re: #603 Ace Rothstein

It’s got to be pretty damn expensive to ship in leftist protesters every weekend.
/

Yeah, but George Soros also has the unlimited resources of the International Jewish Bankers’ Conspiracy to draw on: paying hordes of “crisis actors” is just chump-change….

626
retired cynic  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:30:45am

re: #596 Ace Rothstein

I got fifty bucks that says Trump never utters the words “Heather Heyer.”

If Fields had been an immigrant … or black or brown …

627
Ace Rothstein  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:31:19am

re: #626 retired cynic

If Fields had been an immigrant … or black or brown …

Or a Muslim.

628
Targetpractice  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:31:24am

re: #605 ObserverArt

So everyone in the media and the conservative pundits are all hoping our Rippling Orange Jello Jerky Boy President comes out and makes a new statement himself that is more what a President should have said at first.

Sorry. New statement cannot cover what was first said. It is clear he knows no better because that is exactly what he wanted to say.

Besides, it would just be lipstick on President Pig. No one that has a brain would take it serious and all would know he was driven to do it to make him look better.

There is no making Herr Trump look better. Stop trying.

Trump came out yesterday and did exactly what he and every conservative criticized Obama for doing for years: Refusal to confront the source of the violence and false equivalence to claim that both sides had been at fault. But more direly, he would not label what happened yesterday correctly: Terrorism. If the driver had been brown, he would not have hesitated to dub him a terrorist and insinuate that he was a member of ISIS or another terrorist organization. After three cases of domestic terrorism this year involving white guys, all three of which have gone unremarked by our president, the message is clear: White people can’t be terrorists.

629
Stanley Sea  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:32:27am

America

630
Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:32:33am
631
Targetpractice  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:34:30am

re: #618 Blind Frog Belly White

[Embedded content]

Video

Really, what he’s pissed about is not that he’s being portrayed as an angry racist. He’s pissed because this shit is gonna follow him for the foreseeable future. If he has a job, he’s now a liability. If he doesn’t, potential employers are gonna think twice about touching him. Like the high school football star who whines that the rape charge will “end his life,” this dipshit’s biggest worry is the consequences of his actions.

632
Ace Rothstein  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:34:39am
634
ObserverArt  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:36:21am

re: #554 b_sharp

Possibly he was entering/having/leaving another dementia episode at the time of the conference so his handlers decided he had to read it. That would limit his extemporaneous faux pas.

That is most probable. When he goes off on his own, the real Donald J. Trump comes out. If you think what he said in a prepared statement was bad, just think how it might have gone had he tried to speak on his own.

It would have been Obama’s mess he left, and you all should be glad Hillary wasn’t elected because there would be real blood in the streets. Believe me. Some of my backers get a little wound up and, hey, people get hurt. This country was built by blood and toil. But under Clinton it would be worse, so we can all get through this, there may be some bumps. But you’ll thank me as we Make America Great Again. Okay.

635
Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:36:47am

re: #629 Stanley Sea

[Embedded content]

America

I’m seeing that, too - “They were upset because the monuments were to be taken down”

So, they became Nazis? If that’s all it takes, you were already a Nazi. You just didn’t know it yet.

636
Stanley Sea  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:38:43am
637
ObserverArt  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:39:47am

re: #575 b_sharp

{{{WW}}}

{{{{{{Group Hug}}}}}}

638
Targetpractice  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:41:27am

re: #629 Stanley Sea

[Embedded content]

America

Several emails from angry readers in my inbox today start with something along the lines of: I don’t support white supremacists… BUT…

“BUT I think a whole shitload of violent asswipes showing up carrying guns and wearing kevlar armor are totally justified because a state erected in honor of a war that was totally not about slavery should be preserved to honor a heritage that totally has nothing to do with chattel slavery!”

639
Ace Rothstein  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:42:09am

If only the victims yesterday had been armed…

640
Maxwell Not So Smart  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:43:37am

641
Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:43:39am
642
FormerDirtDart  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:45:40am
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William Lewis  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:48:00am

re: #639 Ace Rothstein

If only the victims yesterday had been armed…

I firmly believe that every American opposed to these swine should visit their local gunshop and buy whatever handgun or rifle is within their means. Perhaps that is only a Hi-Point 9mm pistol but it will still defend that person and their loved ones from a Nazi expecting “liberals” & minorities to be unarmed and helpless. Revolvers, lever action rifles and pump action shotguns are all good because they’re easy to use and are jury friendly. They’re the guns cowboys and pre-militarized cops (Adam-12 anyone?) used.

Don’t spend too much on a defense weapon - the cops will confiscate it if you need to use it even if you are in the right.

644
Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:49:19am

re: #642 FormerDirtDart

[Embedded content]

If showing pictures of you wearing helmets, carrying shields, and/or military-style tactical gear and long guns somehow makes people think your intentions aren’t peaceful, maybe it’s because your intentions aren’t peaceful.

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sagehen  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:50:07am

re: #579 FormerDirtDart

[Embedded content]

If you want to see how far the Republicans have backslid, check out this 1960 Nixon campaign ad:

1960 - Nixon on Civil Rights

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ObserverArt  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:50:44am

re: #629 Stanley Sea

[Embedded content]

America

Always asking important questions.

Never wanting to learn a damn thing when answered.

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:52:03am

re: #645 sagehen

If you want to see how far the Republicans have backslid, check out this 1960 Nixon campaign ad:

[Embedded content]

Video

Showing this video to Trump would be like showing Dracula the cross.

648
Myron Falwell  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:52:19am

re: #628 Targetpractice

It also proved what I always suspected about Trump — that he is incapable of staging his own Reichstag Fire as a power grab.

To do so requires uniting more than his base of white supremacists, neo-Nazis and deranged folk. He flunked what would have been a passable test for any other Republican… even the batshit crazies like Rudy.

What happened last night was THE defining moment of Trump’s occupation of the White House. His disconnect from reality, regardless of who wrote that drivel, is Trump at his core… a heartless orge who only cares about wealth and power, regardless of the illegal ways he fraudulently seized power.

But last night also calcified the (very correct) analysis that Trump is a supporter of white supremacists and Nazism, if not one himself. This is something that every elected Republican knows will be hung on their necks like a millstone until next November, and that was already being shown on Twitter last night.

Watch as an already dysfunctional political party cracks up under the pressure.

649
jaunte  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:52:49am

All the usual assholes can be relied on to be themselves re Charlottesville.

650
sagehen  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:53:44am

re: #594 Stanley Sea

[Embedded content]

I finally figured out who she looks like:

miranda otto
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The Spite House  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:54:18am
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Ace Rothstein  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:54:23am
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Targetpractice  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:54:34am

re: #642 FormerDirtDart

[Embedded content]

They honestly think that the way to turn things around after this weekend is to stage a BBQ and have skinheads bring their families. That it will help them moderate their image and make the Antifa look bad if they appear to protest.

You insisted that what you were staging this weekend would be a peaceful rally, yet you fuckers showed up with weapons and armor. You did more in the past three days to show just how deep the racial divide is in this country, where a white guy can waltz around with an AR-15 and not get rousted by the cops, than you could have ever hoped for. And in the process, you lent more weight to the argument for ripping down these symbols of a failed state than you the opposition could have possibly dreamed.

A BBQ ain’t gonna fix what you fuckers did.

654
sagehen  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:56:17am

re: #604 BeachDem

Uh oh, Lindsey is once again “concerned” and calling for A REPORT:

Graham added that he would support the creation of a federal task force to investigate the “size and scope” of racist hate groups and to “report back to Congress to see if we need to do more in terms of suppressing them.”

Does Lindsay not realize that until a few months ago there was just such a task force? Trump’s budget defunds them.

655
Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 13, 2017 • 11:58:25am

re: #653 Targetpractice

They honestly think that the way to turn things around after this weekend is to stage a BBQ and have skinheads bring their families. That it will help them moderate their image and make the Antifa look bad if they appear to protest.

You insisted that what you were staging this weekend would be a peaceful rally, yet you fuckers showed up with weapons and armor. You did more in the past three days to show just how deep the racial divide is in this country, where a white guy can waltz around with an AR-15 and not get rousted by the cops, than you could have ever hoped for. And in the process, you lent more weight to the argument for ripping down these symbols of a failed state than you the opposition could have possibly dreamed.

A BBQ ain’t gonna fix what you fuckers did.

Here’s a clue for the dumbfucks - if you are mounting a peaceful protest, you carry candles. If you carry torches, or guns, or shields, or Nazi flags, it’s a threat of violence.

A THREAT OF VIOLENCE IS INHERENTLY NOT A PEACEFUL PROTEST.

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dangerman  Aug 13, 2017 • 12:00:54pm

re: #285 dangerman

1. there “shouldn’t be”. and yet there is. your father promotes it

2. delete your father.

i was glib back there at 285 re re: #283 Myron Falwell

i could have been more serious: denounce, disown, disavow, distance yourself

you know, an actual action of substance

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William Lewis  Aug 13, 2017 • 12:03:56pm

re: #652 Ace Rothstein

[Embedded content]

Like I said last night (and it’s almost worth getting twitter to tell him) he’s really really ashamed by his deep down knowledge that he isn’t even 10% the man Obama is. Sad little murderous thug pretending to be a shire reeve.

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dangerman  Aug 13, 2017 • 12:04:18pm

re: #648 Myron Falwell

“party of trump”


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How Sigmund Freud Tried to Break and Remake His Fiancée The area in which Martha most urgently needed reeducation, Freud believed, was that of excessive regard for her own family. He had coveted its name before their engagement, but now the very illustriousness of Martha’s connections prompted a worry ...
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Ten Sailors Missing After U.S. Warship, Tanker Collide Near Singapore SINGAPORE (Reuters) - Ten sailors are missing after a U.S. warship collided with an oil tanker east of Singapore before dawn on Monday, tearing a hole beneath the waterline and flooding compartments that include a crew sleeping area, the ...
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Why You Can’t Take a Flag to a National Cemetery Why You Can't Take a Flag to Arlington (or other national veteran cemeteries) Stars and Stripes, reprinting with permission an article from the Washington Post, explains why you cannot take a flag to Arlington National Cemetery (or any other ...
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Another Democrat Starting Trump Impeachment Process Come on guys, get behind the bill. All of us. we should get behind this bill as it emerges as fast as we attacked the BCA. Following Donald Trump’s equivocating of white supremacists and those who oppose them in ...
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How Militias Became the Private Police for White Supremacists Magazine Guns to a protest? Clubs? We can not tolerate anti American militias. The bloody weekend in Charlottesville that began with several hundred chanting white supremacists on a torch-lit march will long be remembered for the searing image of a ...
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Starting in 2018, Police Dogs Injured in the Line of Duty Can Be Transported by EMS to Veterinary Clinics ST. CLAIR COUNTY, IL – Ambulances are for people. It’s always been the law of the land. In Illinois, it'll soon be "almost always". Illinois Governor, Bruce Rauner, signed House Bill 2661, Tuesday. It will allow police dogs to ...
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