Now for Something Amazing: Daniele Gottardo​’s “Caligula”

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Have a listen to the hauntingly beautiful track Caligula from the ever incredible Daniele Gottardo​! If you want to learn to play like Daniele, you can check out his ever growing list of JTC releases (including his latest Tapping Masterclass) here: jamtrackcentral.com

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electrotek  Aug 21, 2017 • 8:21:13pm

If you guys haven’t seen In This Corner of the World, by all means do so before it’s gone from movie theaters.

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Kragar  Aug 21, 2017 • 8:25:06pm
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Bubblehead II  Aug 21, 2017 • 8:28:40pm

Night Lizards. Shout out to the Mate who actually did the heavy lifting (driving). Love you Beckie.

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teleskiguy  Aug 21, 2017 • 8:33:11pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 21, 2017 • 8:33:20pm

Okay we have a soundtrack. When does the movie come out?

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Kragar  Aug 21, 2017 • 8:33:22pm

He studied Afghanistan…

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 21, 2017 • 8:37:31pm

From the tail-end of the previous thread (if we collect enough LGF threads, can we make a shirt for a lizard):

re: #244 teleskiguy

Pretty sweet y’all lucked out with clear skies!

We were concerned because of a weather report yesterday saying a chance of thunderstorms during the eclipse.

We had thunderstorms just after dawn, and the sky was completely clear by eclipse time.

I got some crappy photos, and some really good ones. Amazed what I could do with a little Polaroid digital camera with eclipse glasses over the lenses. (Should have used my film Polaroid, but harder to post those photos.)

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Stanley Sea  Aug 21, 2017 • 8:39:32pm

re: #6 Kragar

He studied Afghanistan…

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From a wet bev nap

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 21, 2017 • 8:39:39pm

re: #4 teleskiguy

We had to use the vegetable steamer because our colanders have straight slots instead of holes.

Also, cast on a rough sidewalk the picture is not quite as clear.

Pinhole projector of partial eclipse with a vegetable steamer
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electrotek  Aug 21, 2017 • 8:40:09pm

Here’s the stupid letter:

Facebook Post

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Stanley Sea  Aug 21, 2017 • 8:42:55pm

re: #8 electrotek

SD College Republicans suffer backlash after demanding Muslims denounce Barcelona attacks

“It’s hard to tell whether you’re just trolling Muslim students because you think this type of bullying is fun & edgy, or whether you seriously believe your fellow Muslim students might be supporters of terrorism,” one person wrote. “The former possibility puts you beneath contempt, while the latter highlights how embarrassingly ignorant you are, so I’m not sure which you’d prefer.”

Plus, the college Republican has the hitler/nazi haircut

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Kragar  Aug 21, 2017 • 8:44:40pm

re: #12 Stanley Sea

That style is to be called the Douchebuzz

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EPR-radar  Aug 21, 2017 • 8:45:03pm

re: #11 electrotek

The Muslim Students Association of SDSU could simply do a search and replace on this for tr*mp/Republicans vs. Charlottesville.

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jaunte  Aug 21, 2017 • 8:45:46pm

re: #11 electrotek

Continuing the campus conservative tradition of useless, provocative stunts.
dallasnews.com

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 21, 2017 • 8:46:49pm
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retired cynic  Aug 21, 2017 • 8:48:07pm

re: #16 Anymouse 🌹

Hmmm. Apparently they are not terminally stupid.

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EPR-radar  Aug 21, 2017 • 8:48:44pm

re: #15 jaunte

Continuing the campus conservative tradition of useless, provocative stunts.
dallasnews.com

IMO the definitive characterization of College Republicans is from Buffy the Vampire Slayer:

[interview after vampire attack]: “They had fangs. They were biting people. They had this look in their eyes — totally cold. Animal. I think they were Young Republicans.”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 21, 2017 • 8:51:41pm

re: #16 Anymouse 🌹

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Cue up the “What About Free Speech?” posts on wingnut sites.

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teleskiguy  Aug 21, 2017 • 8:53:22pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 21, 2017 • 8:54:43pm

re: #12 Stanley Sea

Plus, the college Republican has the hitler/nazi haircut

The “Dogwhistle” cut.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 21, 2017 • 8:55:26pm

She deleted & went private.

3rd Wife Privilege in full effect.

Remember, she was once famous for her portrayal of Zambia - maybe this brought her to the eye of the older Mnuchin

Memoir controversy[edit]
In 2016, Linton self-published a book about her experience, titled In Congo’s Shadow, co-authored by Wendy Holden.[7] Linton withdrew In Congo’s Shadow from sale after many readers took offence over her portrayal of Zambia. The book has been criticised for its inaccuracies and promotion of the false narrative of “the white saviour”.[15] She later apologised for causing offense and promised to donate all profits from the book to an appropriate charity.[16] The Zambian High Commission in London condemned her for falsely presenting Zambia.[17]

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 21, 2017 • 8:56:07pm
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jaunte  Aug 21, 2017 • 8:58:24pm
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sagehen  Aug 21, 2017 • 8:59:21pm

re: #16 Anymouse 🌹

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Reminder: this is what an “America First” rally looked like in 1934

at madison square garden

I don’t know anybody who’s old enough to remember this… but the rest of us have books and movies and stuff. We know better now.

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teleskiguy  Aug 21, 2017 • 9:00:09pm

Wow. Well done.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 21, 2017 • 9:00:16pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 21, 2017 • 9:00:30pm

re: #23 Anymouse 🌹

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Now I’m getting angry again.

And the response to this speech? Holy hannah! His ‘new strategy’ amounts to adding enough troops to say he’s doing something else, while not really doing something else, but because it wasn’t thoroughly insane, he gets praise heaped on him?

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Stanley Sea  Aug 21, 2017 • 9:00:35pm

re: #15 jaunte

Continuing the campus conservative tradition of useless, provocative stunts.
dallasnews.com

It is insanely sad how the young conservatives have found no new ways to promote their beliefs - just re-do’s of the old racist shit.

Fail

#verysad

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scottslemmons  Aug 21, 2017 • 9:05:45pm
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darthstar  Aug 21, 2017 • 9:08:19pm

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teleskiguy  Aug 21, 2017 • 9:09:34pm

re: #31 darthstar

Winner winner chicken dinner.

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darthstar  Aug 21, 2017 • 9:10:20pm

BTW, save those eclipse glasses. Wear them at any 3-D movie and you improve the experience exponentially.

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ObserverArt  Aug 21, 2017 • 9:11:34pm

re: #17 retired cynic

Jon Cooper ✔ @joncoopertweets
BREAKING: After alt-right organizers saw huge counter-protests in Boston, they’ve canceled 67 “America First Rallies” scheduled in 36 states
9:24 PM - Aug 21, 2017

Hmmm. Apparently they are not terminally stupid.

I wouldn’t go that far.

And where did they get the impression they could hold 67 rallies in 36 states? That is really being full of yourselves.

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freetoken  Aug 21, 2017 • 9:12:41pm

Looking at the rolling polls, it appears Trump’s bottom is about 34% who “approve”. Even after Charlottesville the numbers have not moved below this.

It’s pretty clear that about a third of Americans are so invested into their mythology that Trump’s actions are pretty much irrelevant.

I still see coming across my Facebook stream those who idolize Ivanka. For no reason that I can tell other than she is living a lifestyle that her fans fantasize that they can have one day if only the evil libruls would disappear.

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jaunte  Aug 21, 2017 • 9:12:51pm

re: #34 ObserverArt

I like the idea of a couple of dozen of them having to travel to 67 rallies.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 21, 2017 • 9:13:04pm

re: #33 darthstar

BTW, save those eclipse glasses. Wear them at any 3-D movie and you improve the experience exponentially.

There’s a re-gift to South America - wait for deets.

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BeachDem  Aug 21, 2017 • 9:14:14pm

re: #30 scottslemmons

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At some point in the future, I predict Rucker will get together with Maggie and Glenn to write THE definitive nauseating romance novel. The end.

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wheat-dogg  Aug 21, 2017 • 9:14:37pm

I took pictures today. Here’s one. More at my blog.

Today’s eclipse as seen in Wheatland, Wyoming
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freetoken  Aug 21, 2017 • 9:14:56pm
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darthstar  Aug 21, 2017 • 9:15:38pm

So today the President said we’re going to do something somewhere over some period with some amount of boots on the ground.

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teleskiguy  Aug 21, 2017 • 9:16:27pm

re: #39 wheat-dogg

That’s fucking rad!

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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 21, 2017 • 9:17:47pm

re: #39 wheat-dogg

Stunning. Link and meta please? Looks like NASA or an observatory.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 21, 2017 • 9:18:38pm

re: #41 darthstar

So today the President said we’re going to do something somewhere over some period with some amount of boots on the ground.

But he can’t say what, where, when, or how many, because Then The Enemy Would Know.

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petesh  Aug 21, 2017 • 9:21:16pm

re: #44 Blind Frog Belly White

But he can’t say what, where, when, or how many, because Then The Enemy Would Know.

Sssh. We ARE the enemy.

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wheat-dogg  Aug 21, 2017 • 9:21:57pm

re: #43 Unshaken Defiance

Stunning. Link and meta please? Looks like NASA or an observatory.

It is a photo by yours truly.

Tech details: Nikon D3300, Tamron 70-300mm VR lens fitted with Thousand Oaks Optical solar film, ISO 400, f/10 at 1/60th second

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petesh  Aug 21, 2017 • 9:22:18pm

re: #45 petesh

Sssh. We ARE the enemy.

But it seems that some of the alt-right, at least, have turned against him.

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BeachDem  Aug 21, 2017 • 9:22:48pm

HuffPo continues with killer headers:

NEW TRUMP AFGHAN STRATEGY: I WON’T TELL YOU

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wheat-dogg  Aug 21, 2017 • 9:22:53pm

re: #42 teleskiguy

Thank you! I consider our junket to Wyoming a success!

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Stanley Sea  Aug 21, 2017 • 9:22:55pm

re: #39 wheat-dogg

BRAVO

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 21, 2017 • 9:25:19pm

re: #49 wheat-dogg

Thank you! I consider our junket to Wyoming a success!

That is an amazing picture. You could have stayed in my backyard though. The cost would have been much lower (mow my lawn because I can’t).

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teleskiguy  Aug 21, 2017 • 9:26:12pm

re: #49 wheat-dogg

Sent out a tweet. With full attribution, of course.

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wheat-dogg  Aug 21, 2017 • 9:28:17pm

re: #52 teleskiguy

Sent out a tweet. With full attribution, of course.

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Muchas gracias!

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darthstar  Aug 21, 2017 • 9:29:38pm

Be like Bobby.

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jaunte  Aug 21, 2017 • 9:29:51pm
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darthstar  Aug 21, 2017 • 9:33:43pm

re: #55 jaunte

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Right now, Mr. Trump is trailing all unknown primary and general election opponents by triple digits but we know how these things can shift…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 21, 2017 • 9:33:56pm

re: #8 electrotek

SD College Republicans suffer backlash after demanding Muslims denounce Barcelona attacks

Been waiting for College Republicans to denounce Radical Republicans shooting up abortion clinics for years…

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Belafon  Aug 21, 2017 • 9:35:29pm

re: #26 teleskiguy

Wow. Well done.
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I would buy that.

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ObserverArt  Aug 21, 2017 • 9:36:22pm

re: #55 jaunte

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I heard a talking head say these rallies make Trump feel good and bolster his determination.

William Kristol on MSNBC was saying he took Trump to heart when he talked about how tough these decisions can be. It made him more human and not the I-can-do-it arrogant guy…or something.

This is at least the tenth time the press has said he just became more presidential.

They do not seem to learn anything. Or, being presidential isn’t what it used to be.

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KGxvi  Aug 21, 2017 • 9:37:51pm

I didn’t watch his address because I had more important things to do… mainly watch GOT. And not break my TV by throwing my couch through it.

But am I correct in understanding that the president of these United States gave a prime time address from the Oval Office in which he basically said that we have no idea what the fuck we are going to do in Afghanistan and so we’re just going to kind of keep doing the same thing? Is that about the jist of it?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 21, 2017 • 9:40:07pm

re: #39 wheat-dogg

I took pictures today. Here’s one. More at my blog.

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WOW! That is a beautiful shot!!!

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wheat-dogg  Aug 21, 2017 • 9:40:31pm

re: #58 Belafon

I would buy that.

I would sell it, even.

Though I would sell the high res image, post processed from the RAW file. These was a JPEG cropped from the camera’s file.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 21, 2017 • 9:40:40pm

re: #60 KGxvi

I didn’t watch his address because I had more important things to do… mainly watch GOT. And not break my TV by throwing my couch through it.

But am I correct in understanding that the president of these United States gave a prime time address from the Oval Office in which he basically said that we have no idea what the fuck we are going to do in Afghanistan and so we’re just going to kind of keep doing the same thing? Is that about the jist of it?

That, and threatening NATO to “pay up” again, threatening nuclear-armed Pakistan, saying he would get India to force Pakistan to do something about terrorists, insisting the world is behind him on all this.

In other words, he is clueless, just like Grover Norquist likes conservative presidents.

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wheat-dogg  Aug 21, 2017 • 9:40:47pm

re: #61 Joe Bacon 🌹

WOW! That is a beautiful shot!!!

Thanks!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 21, 2017 • 9:43:21pm

I could not bear to listen to KKKraKKKly KKKrunch Cheeto whipping up war fever. Instead I played my Tales of Hoffman DVD and let Powell and Pressberger get my mind off of that freak…

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Kragar  Aug 21, 2017 • 9:43:47pm
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electrotek  Aug 21, 2017 • 9:44:54pm
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KGxvi  Aug 21, 2017 • 9:45:00pm

re: #63 Anymouse 🌹

That, and threatening NATO to “pay up” again, threatening nuclear-armed Pakistan, saying he would get India to force Pakistan to do something about terrorists, insisting the world is behind him on all this.

In other words, he is clueless, just like Grover Norquist likes conservative presidents.

So he’s gone from threatening nuclear war with North Korea to pushing for nuclear war between India and Pakistan?

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Belafon  Aug 21, 2017 • 9:46:59pm

Going to Playboy for the articles:

When Tina Fey vented about Charlottesville, neo-Nazis and Donald Trump while cramming her mouth with handfuls of a sheet cake decorated with an American flag on Weekend Update: Summer Edition last night, the internet went nuts. “Love Tina Fey, but I’m REALLY not feeling her ‘Ignore racism and stress-eat instead’ take. It strikes me as willfully naive and privileged,” bloggers Tom & Lorenzo tweeted. “Tina Fey’s ‘Eat Cake’ Strategy After Charlottesville Is Bad Advice,” The Daily Beast somberly opined.

Thanks for that sharp insight, Daily Beast. The only problem with it is that Fey isn’t in the advice-giving business. She’s in the satire business, so don’t call us crazy for suspecting that when she urged viewers outraged by white nationalism’s depredations to “find a local business you support—maybe a Jewish run bakery or African-American run bakery—order a cake with the American flag on it…and just eat it,” she was mocking a clueless attitude, not endorsing it.

To anyone who took to Twitter to complain that her recommended solution to Trump-induced stress looked like “white privilege in action,” all we can say is bingo. We’ve watched the routine more than once, and it’s brilliant. It’s a brainy, self-lacerating caricature of how easily Trump-phobic vanilla liberals with relatively pampered lives, knowing they’re at little or no risk of being oppressed or marginalized themselves during his reign, can settle for venting their genuine but ineffectual rage without consequences.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 21, 2017 • 9:48:10pm

I have to give props to Josh Marshall for trying to cheer me up. He’s documenting about how ol’ Mitch seems to be in very serious trouble in Kentucky!

A few moments ago I noticed a new PPP poll showing that Mitch McConnell seems to have been damaged significantly in his home state of Kentucky by the effort to repeal Obamacare. The number that caught my eye was that McConnell has an astonishing 74% disapproval rating with just 18% approving of his performance in office. A hypothetical Democrat beats him by 7 percentage points. But that only tells part of the story.

McConnell is down at 18% approval. But Trump has a 60% approval rating in the state. If voters are upset with McConnell’s dogged efforts to repeal Obamacare, why is Trump doing so well? Or is it that McConnell failed to repeal Obamacare? And Good Lord, how can Mitch McConnell have a 74% disapproval rating? Congressional leaders always have low approval. See Boehner, Pelosi, Gingrich, et al. But that’s nationally. They almost always maintain strong support in their own states or districts. After all, that’s how they keep getting reelected. This is just a snapshot long before McConnell will face reelection in 2020. But for now the poll shows McConnell trailing a Democratic opponent 37% to 44%.

Read the full article. It will bring a little sunlight into your soul!

talkingpointsmemo.com

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Interesting Times  Aug 21, 2017 • 9:50:02pm

I would like this said a lot more often by a lot more people:

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Belafon  Aug 21, 2017 • 9:52:55pm

re: #62 wheat-dogg

I finally got around to read the replies and the photographer gives a contact email for getting a print.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 21, 2017 • 9:55:53pm

re: #68 KGxvi

So he’s gone from threatening nuclear war with North Korea to pushing for nuclear war between India and Pakistan?

It appears he was sending a veiled threat to Pakistan that we would go to war with them.

He seems to think India can pressure Pakistan into doing something (proof I am better off not having gone to college, because it obviously didn’t help him).

Any competent advisor could have told him using India as a stick against Pakistan is stupid. Moreover, he accused both Pakistan and Afghanistan of just taking from us and not giving anything back in return - he alluded to the idea he wants to make Afghanistan pay for all the warfare he’s planning.

Holy crap I’m glad I’m no longer in the Navy. I thought it was bad enough when we had to go to Lebanon after the Beirut bombing because I thought Reagan was clueless.

Reagan was a goddamn genius compared to Trump.

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Kragar  Aug 21, 2017 • 9:56:38pm
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wheat-dogg  Aug 21, 2017 • 9:56:50pm

re: #72 Belafon

I finally got around to read the replies and the photographer gives a contact email for getting a print.

Huh? *I’m* the photographer. What photo are you referring to?

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wheat-dogg  Aug 21, 2017 • 9:57:36pm

re: #74 Kragar

Ha ha!

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 21, 2017 • 9:57:59pm

Facebook Post

I would get on board with this if Kevin volunteered himself. The gods of bullshit must be very powerful these days, and he would be a uniquely suitable sacrifice for appeasing them.

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JordanRules  Aug 21, 2017 • 10:02:50pm

re: #39 wheat-dogg

Stunning!! Bravo!

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teleskiguy  Aug 21, 2017 • 10:10:22pm

re: #26 teleskiguy

Tweet was erased and revised.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 21, 2017 • 10:11:05pm

re: #74 Kragar

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Awwwww Pay Pal tossed a bucket of water on The Wicked Witch!

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Charles Johnson  Aug 21, 2017 • 10:11:40pm

LOL!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 21, 2017 • 10:11:52pm

re: #77 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

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I would get on board with this if Kevin volunteered himself. The gods of bullshit must be very powerful these days, and he would be a uniquely suitable sacrifice for appeasing them.

He wants to be The Wicker Man!

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majii  Aug 21, 2017 • 10:12:21pm

re: #17 retired cynic

“Hmmm. Apparently they are not terminally stupid.”

No, they’re not. 67 cancellations tell me that not only are they not terminally stupid. It also informs me they’re not as “brave” or “superior to others” as they’ve been claiming they are. Every time they try to gather somewhere, their *sses need to be run out of town ASAP. They’ve lived in their little hate bubble and pumped each other up for so long that they started to believe the BS they were telling each other, but after Americans saw what they did in C’ville and how Heather Heyer was run down by one of them, we decided enough is enough. They looked pitiful in Boston. The world doesn’t work the way they thought it worked, and a majority of us don’t believe the BS they believe. I’m black as you know, rc, and there is nothing they have that I want to “take away from them” because I have my own sh*t that I worked hard to acquire. I’m tired of them stereotyping and scapegoating those who don’t agree with them and thinking they can get away with it because they think that, at birth, they were somehow imbued with some special ingredient that makes them think they can abuse others who don’t agree with them just for sh*ts and giggles. Their rocks and caves are waiting for them.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 21, 2017 • 10:16:57pm

The Civics lesson continues:
Confederacy-loving student shown in viral flip-off photo kicked out of Christian college

Allen Armentrout of Pensacola, Florida was kicked out of school after he wore a Confederate uniform to Charlottesville, Virginia.

*snip*
Armentrout was told that his final year of enrollment at Pensacola Christian College was being terminated.

“I have been released from my school and will be unable to return to college to finish my senior year,” Armentrout told WXII in an interview. “I’m processing this and making adjustments to my life to compensate for this scrutiny.”

“Pensacola Christian College recognizes the dignity and value of all people, and we respect the history of America,” the school said in a statement. “We encourage individuals to exercise discernment and seek to build reconciliation, especially during a time of mourning like Charlottesville is experiencing.”

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Kragar  Aug 21, 2017 • 10:20:35pm

re: #80 Joe Bacon 🌹

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 21, 2017 • 10:22:30pm

Someone needs to get together a group of Union army re-enactors for one of these white supremacy/confederate demonstrations. Have them carry axes, shovels, big bags of loot, and lit torches (real ones, not the tiki things). They would have big signs identifying themselves as Sherman’s Marchers. They might put some of the more emaciated members in chains and Confederate rags and have them play the role of prisoners.

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electrotek  Aug 21, 2017 • 10:25:41pm

GO GO GO GO

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Kragar  Aug 21, 2017 • 10:33:22pm

Warhammer Time

Dreadnought

When the greatest of the Astartes are crippled in combat the Battle-Brother’s body will be repaired and transferred into an armoured cybernetic sarcophagus outfitted with extensive life support systems. This sarcophagus is then interred within the heart of the armoured body of a Dreadnought if there is even a spark of life left. The pilot himself survives only as a tightly curled and shrivelled organic component deep inside the Dreadnought, which is at once his reborn body and his tomb. Sustained and kept alive within the sarcophagus, the link between his physical being and the Dreadnought’s systems is absolute and for the remainder of his life. The Space Marine within the sarcophagus will control the robotic body of the walker and experience the outside world through a web of cyborganic neural links and sensors implanted within his life support systems. The sepulchre that contains a Chapter’s Dreadnoughts is a holy shrine, and the Techmarines tend to their charges with great care, fastidiously applying sacred oils and unguents while chanting the Litanies of Preservation. To honour these courageous warriors, the fallen heroes are allowed to sleep away the centuries, until need calls them to war once more.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 21, 2017 • 10:49:18pm

re: #85 Kragar

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She’s an idiot especially given she has no problem with discrimination against gays or lefties. She earned this for herself by being a bigoted psycho. She doesn’t have a constitutional right to use PayPal.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 21, 2017 • 10:55:29pm

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teleskiguy  Aug 21, 2017 • 11:00:56pm

I, for one, am glad Anymouse got a front row seat to a total solar eclipse.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Aug 21, 2017 • 11:01:44pm

Great eclipse, still stuck in the Traffic Jam from Hell. At least we’re finally in Colorado.

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teleskiguy  Aug 21, 2017 • 11:02:43pm

re: #92 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Hey! Did you go to Red Rocks?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 21, 2017 • 11:09:50pm

re: #90 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

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So true. Sick of being told he’s great when he’s responsible for a lot of our mess and especially his party’s descent to madness.

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teleskiguy  Aug 21, 2017 • 11:11:28pm

re: #4 teleskiguy

I’ve been told that this resembles Ween’s Boognish. I happen to agree.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Aug 21, 2017 • 11:18:20pm

re: #93 teleskiguy

Hey! Did you go to Red Rocks?

I decided that would be too strenuous ahead of eclipse day (wisely, it turns out), and went to the Denver Art Museum instead.

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Pineapple Pizzagate  Aug 21, 2017 • 11:23:47pm

re: #84 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Rejected for the position of “Florida Man”. That’s gotta hurt.

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Kragar  Aug 21, 2017 • 11:40:17pm
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teleskiguy  Aug 21, 2017 • 11:41:58pm

re: #98 Kragar

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 21, 2017 • 11:42:58pm

re: #98 Kragar

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Jesus, that ratio on Rucker’s tweet. He’s really getting hammered.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 21, 2017 • 11:45:53pm

Another one bites the dust:
Minneapolis attorney booted from law firm after he’s exposed as the owner of neo-Nazi record label

Minneapolis patent law firm has dismissed an attorney after his partners were alerted to his ownership of a record label that releases music by neo-Nazi and white supremacist artists.

According to the City Pages, attorney Aaron Davis, a partner at Patterson Thuente had been placed on “administrative leave.” but now his biography has been scrubbed from the firm’s website due to his involvement with Behold Barbarity records.

Davis was outed over his connection to the label by the City Paper last week, with reporter Susan Du noting the subject matter and song names the label promotes.

Queen - Another One Bites The Dust (Live)

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teleskiguy  Aug 21, 2017 • 11:47:58pm

re: #100 goddamnedfrank

Jesus, that ratio on Rucker’s tweet. He’s really getting hammered.

Hopefully all these fuckstains change their tune after the rally in Phoenix, y’know, after Fuckface Von Clownstick says to his drooling inbred audience that slavery wasn’t so bad for the slaves.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 21, 2017 • 11:52:39pm

re: #84 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

The Civics lesson continues:
Confederacy-loving student shown in viral flip-off photo kicked out of Christian college

Allen Armentrout of Pensacola, Florida was kicked out of school after he wore a Confederate uniform to Charlottesville, Virginia.

Wear the damn thing to a Civil War reenactors meeting and it is a symbol of heritage and history. Wear it to Charlottesville for a White Supremacy rally and it is a symbol of racism.

Too much nuance for these chowderheads.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 21, 2017 • 11:54:37pm

re: #102 teleskiguy

Hopefully all these fuckstains change their tune after the rally in Phoenix, y’know, after Fuckface Von Clownstick says to his drooling inbred audience that slavery wasn’t so bad for the slaves.

Whole point of that rally is to incite or provoke some violence that can be pinned on the alt-left or antifas so DT can come out swinging with his “both sides” argument.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 21, 2017 • 11:55:08pm

Thanks to the Nazi rioting in Charlottesville we are seeing an avalanche of accountability in this country. I predict that it will continue and spread to other areas of assholery like conspiracy theories and antivaxx agitation. For 50 years, shitheads of every stripe, from Nazis to flat Earthers, have been running wild and turning this country into a toxic swamp simply because so many people mistakenly thought it was illegal or unconstitutional to fire them from their jobs, boycott their businesses, refuse them service, throw them out of private schools, etc. Many s-heads even pretend that it is a violation of their rights to criticize or ridicule them. Now, the country is learning better.

Mr. Shithead, meet Mr. Consequence and Ms. Accountability.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 21, 2017 • 11:57:37pm

re: #105 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

“alt-right” was the attempt on the part of Nazis and White Supremacists to convince us that they merely occupied a position to the far right of the political spectrum, instead of showing themselves for what they really are, namely a threat to American values and freedom.

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teleskiguy  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:00:22am

re: #105 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

This is the most hopeful I’ve seen you regarding the rise of the far right in some time. I hope you’re right.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:04:08am

Trumptetarian Lubbockites are worried leftists might try to destroy the Buddy Holly statue. I have no idea why they might think leftists would want to do that, but these are Lubbock RWNJs we are talking about. They are a special super-concentrated breed of derp-mongers.

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teleskiguy  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:06:07am

Well, it’s 22 August. My mother’s birthday. She’s 70 now. She loves her cannabis vape pen. I’m trying - with little success - to get her to ride her bike more. She’d rather sit and read Jo Nesbø novels. 👿

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:13:03am

re: #108 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Trumptetarian Lubbockites are worried leftists might try to destroy the Buddy Holly statue. I have no idea why they might think leftists would want to do that, but these are Lubbock RWNJs we are talking about. They are a special super-concentrated breed of derp-mongers.

Because he culturally appropriated black music!!!

/

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DodgerFan1988  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:14:01am

Kind of ironic that the same conservatives who bitching about Confederate statues being removed as “erasing history,” are the same conservatives who supported the Texas Board of Education removing references to slavery, segregation, and Martin Luther King Jr from history textbooks.

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JordanRules  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:23:17am
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Odie Hugh Manatee  Aug 22, 2017 • 1:08:10am

Hello all! Checking in from Brookings, OR to let you know that the town is still here but unfortunately people have lost homes northwest of here and there is no doubt that more losses are to come. Today was foggy this AM and early afternoon, with the fog clearing about 3 PM but heavy low clouds overhead. Real clouds, not clouds of smoke since the wind was mostly calm or generally from the W/SW all day long. No ash either. While the fog thoroughly soaked everything it was over, unfortunately that only extends about a mile inland and north of the Chetco River along the coast for about two miles. Temperature was forecast at 67 on the coast but luckily it only got up to 57 late in the day. While temps were much hotter inland around the fire area (75-85), they were a bit lower than expected too. The light winds and lower temps made firefighting a bit easier today and the word is that the fire did not progress “much”.

The PTB held a meeting this evening at our middle school and the local radio broadcasted it. Unfortunately, I think they put the mic in a men’s room stall because it was mostly hollow sounding echoes so it was pretty hard to understand what was being said. A local reporter gave a brief synopsis of the meeting later on the same radio station, leaving out the bits about people asking why this blew up the way it did and why the fire has been so understaffed. He also left out others who were yelling and asking who was going to pay for their losses. I won’t waste my time with the “story” the guy told as to how we got where we are but it was great ass-covering, I’ll tell you that much. Regarding the fire, the active left flank of the fire stretches from around Carpenterville to the south base of Mt Emily, about 6 miles SW of Brookings. Overall about an 11-13 mile long west front over heavily forested terrain. One advantage to fighting the fire in private lands are all of the roads and clearings all over the area that will give the fast access to spot fires and act as firebreaks. I hate saying that as this land is owned by people who are hoping that their property escapes the inferno and I hope any damage is minimal. The firefighters need to do what they do but it sure is tough for those it is happening to.

We also learned that we have become the top priority in the nation and resources are heading our way (Please!). We have hundreds of firefighters from all over the country staying around town and down at the harbor and everyone is heartily welcoming them to the town. More are on the way, same with equipment. The fire is at 91,000 acres now where it was 4,500 acres five days ago. Calm weather is supposed to remain for the rest of the week (hot but not windy inland, cool and in the mid-60’s here on the coast. The fog is back tonight but is supposed to lift for a few days tomorrow afternoon. One possible dark point is that they are forecasting another “Chetco Effect” this friday, which is what caused the fire to flare up like it did this week.

The only good thing about this disaster is that I’ve been paying more attention to it than the Disaster in Chief.

In closing… FUCK TRUMP.

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freetoken  Aug 22, 2017 • 1:08:56am
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freetoken  Aug 22, 2017 • 1:12:09am

re: #113 Odie Hugh Manatee

These fires?

kval.com

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Timothy Watson  Aug 22, 2017 • 1:19:26am

re: #63 Anymouse 🌹

That, and threatening NATO to “pay up” again, threatening nuclear-armed Pakistan, saying he would get India to force Pakistan to do something about terrorists, insisting the world is behind him on all this.

In other words, he is clueless, just like Grover Norquist likes conservative presidents.

Anyone bother trying to explain to him we have to ship in most of our supplies through Pakistan? Can’t wait until there’s a “problem” at one of their border stations.

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sagehen  Aug 22, 2017 • 1:22:31am

re: #116 Timothy Watson

Anyone bother trying to explain to him we have to ship in most of our supplies through Pakistan? Can’t wait until there’s a “problem” at one of their border stations.

Unless we want to ask Iran for help. Again. Back in 2001, during our initial invasion of Afghanistan, Iran was actually quite helpful.

Right up until GWB (in a David Frum speech) identified them as part of the Axis of Evil. Suddenly, they didn’t want to be helpful anymore. Go figure.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 22, 2017 • 1:27:32am

re: #116 Timothy Watson

Anyone bother trying to explain to him we have to ship in most of our supplies through Pakistan? Can’t wait until there’s a “problem” at one of their border stations.

Lines on drawn maps by Westerners mean little to the folks in Eastern Afghanistan and Western Pakistan…

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Timothy Watson  Aug 22, 2017 • 1:30:43am

re: #117 sagehen

Unless we want to ask Iran for help. Again. Back in 2001, during our initial invasion of Afghanistan, Iran was actually quite helpful.

Right up until GWB (in a David Frum speech) identified them as part of the Axis of Evil. Suddenly, they didn’t want to be helpful anymore. Go figure.

I am sure Trump will be able to negotiate the best, most beautiful deal ever!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 22, 2017 • 1:31:16am

re: #119 Timothy Watson

I am sure Trump will be able to negotiate the best, most beautiful deal ever!

He loves deals with Iran!!!

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Aug 22, 2017 • 1:40:19am

In Denver. Going to bed.

OHM, hope help comes and the weather favors you.

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Bass Reeves  Aug 22, 2017 • 1:54:33am

re: #118 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Eh, They know exactly how far east they have to go to escape counter-battery fire and pursuit.

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Targetpractice  Aug 22, 2017 • 2:01:44am

So far, Trump has:

- Backed down from China
- Sent a SEAL to his death in Yemen
- Abandoned the fight in Syria
- Given up Ukraine to Russia
- Had his bluff called by North Korea
- And now is going to send a pitiful 4K troops to Afghanistan with no goal and no exit strategy

And yet, wingnuts still want to rag on Obama as looking “weak” to our enemies.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 22, 2017 • 2:04:42am

re: #69 Belafon

Going to Playboy for the articles:

Yeah, it seemed pretty obvious to me, especially given Fey’s background of being a graduate of UVA, that she was mocking the “raise awareness”/”Internet activism” folks.

We like to make fun of conservatives for not understanding satire, but it seems there’s a lot of people on the left who don’t understand the concept either. Remember that nutjob who was trying to start a boycott of Colbert for his skit going after the “Redskins” name?

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Aug 22, 2017 • 2:17:24am

re: #115 freetoken

Yep, we’re dealing with the Chetco Bar fire.

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Targetpractice  Aug 22, 2017 • 2:20:07am

Oh wait, my bad, Trump says he won’t talk troop levels or exit strategy, that way he can’t be criticized later when the generals pull a Vietnam by cranking up the troop levels again and again out of the belief that we can “win” by forcing the Taliban to the table.

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fern01  Aug 22, 2017 • 3:26:44am

The US political media is a walking disaster - they are full of the joy of a president* who made a decision. Sending our children and our grandchildren to die for a lost cause is just so presidential. I didn’t like it when the generals convinced President Obama - one last surge - and now they are doing it again.

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Aug 22, 2017 • 3:32:55am

Here’s a pic looking north up our street. This was early evening of the 19th, just as it was starting to clear a bit for the evening.

There are mountains behind that smoke!

Brookings is unusual in that it’s on the west coast and it faces south. This affects our weather quite a bit and it’s not unusual for us to be the warmest spot on the Oregon coast, even in the winter. It is also what gives us our “Chetco Effect”, which is our version of the Santa Ana winds except ours can happen any time of the year, even in the winter. A few years ago it was in the mid 60-70’s for a couple of weeks in January so I hauled our motorcycle out for some fun winter riding.

We don’t miss Spokane a bit (moved here 25 years ago).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 22, 2017 • 3:51:44am

re: #128 Odie Hugh Manatee

It is also what gives us our “Chetco Effect”, which is our version of the Santa Ana winds except ours can happen any time of the year, even in the winter.

Better that than the “Cheeto Effect” that is fogging up our entire nation…

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Targetpractice  Aug 22, 2017 • 3:52:10am

re: #127 fern01

The US political media is a walking disaster - they are full of the joy of a president* who made a decision. Sending our children and our grandchildren to die for a lost cause is just so presidential. I didn’t like it when the generals convinced President Obama - one last surge - and now they are doing it again.

That’s just it, Trump didn’t make a decision. Hell, even Glenn Greenwald’s putting the blame on Mattis, McMaster, and Kelly. And apparently Tillerson, deciding that a war is good for business (higher oil prices), is onboard with ramping up over investment in this quagmire. So like most of his “decisions,” Trump got led by the nose with promises that he’d get all the credit if it panned out.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2017 • 4:00:23am

We’ve been there since 2001. There will be young men and women in Afghanistan that will serve there that were born after 9/11.

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Targetpractice  Aug 22, 2017 • 4:11:56am

re: #131 HappyWarrior

We’ve been there since 2001. There will be young men and women in Afghanistan that will serve there that were born after 9/11.

Depending on whether you set the beginning point at when the first US advisors showed up or when the first conventional troops did, our presence in Afghanistan has gone as long or longer than the Vietnam War. Much like that war, we’re committing more men to fighting to keep a corrupt government in power.

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Chrysicat  Aug 22, 2017 • 4:34:55am

re: #132 Targetpractice

Depending on whether you set the beginning point at when the first US advisors showed up or when the first conventional troops did, our presence in Afghanistan has gone as long or longer than the Vietnam War. Much like that war, we’re committing more men to fighting to keep a corrupt government in power.

Although admittedly, we do know that the alternative here really is bad (though I’m not sure we can any longer say ‘worse’); I don’t particularly wish to know what the Taliban plan to follow up with after they destroyed the Buddhas of Bhamiyan last time they were in power.

But because of who’s in power on ourend now, we can’t say for sure the Taliban are still worse either. Not if the Afghan government really did accede to Congo Free State-style resource-rape to remain in power, the way Dolt45 suggested last night.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 22, 2017 • 4:39:01am
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I Would Prefer Not To  Aug 22, 2017 • 4:52:40am

re: #109 teleskiguy

Well, it’s 22 August. My mother’s birthday. She’s 70 now. She loves her cannabis vape pen. I’m trying - with little success - to get her to ride her bike more. She’d rather sit and read Jo Nesbø novels. 👿

Wow. My mom’s birthday is today. I don’t think she’s doing a vape pen, but I would pay to see it.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 22, 2017 • 4:54:28am

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I cannot.  Aug 22, 2017 • 5:09:40am
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HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2017 • 5:12:58am

re: #137 I cannot.

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Yeah it’s all Obama’s fault. Give me a fucking break.

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jeffreyw  Aug 22, 2017 • 5:14:23am

Imgur


Good morning!

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I Would Prefer Not To  Aug 22, 2017 • 5:25:07am

Love her

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Targetpractice  Aug 22, 2017 • 5:30:42am

Much like his SotU address, Trump reads a pre-written speech in a half-assed manner and gets applauded for not soiling himself on live TV.

And in less than 24 hours, the media will find themselves throwing out all the long editorials they’re no doubt writing now about how “presidential” he has finally become.

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 22, 2017 • 5:32:13am

re: #1 electrotek

If you guys haven’t seen In This Corner of the World, by all means do so before it’s gone from movie theaters.

khlys (sp?) recommended it, too. Not showing near me, but I’ll pick it up when it comes out on DVD in Oct.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 22, 2017 • 5:33:29am

Remains Of Some Missing Sailors Found In ‘Sealed Compartments’ On USS John S. McCain

The commander of the U.S. Pacific Fleet says Navy divers have found remains of some of the 10 missing sailors aboard the USS John S. McCain after the guided-missile destroyer collided with a merchant vessel in waters off Singapore earlier this week.

Adm. Scott H. Swift, speaking at a news conference in Singapore, said the Malaysian navy, which is conducting a search at sea in the area where the collision took place on Monday, has also reported finding remains, but it was not yet clear if they were from the McCain.

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I cannot.  Aug 22, 2017 • 5:36:05am
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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 22, 2017 • 5:37:20am

Faux news wastes no time weighing in with the conspiracy theories:

Is someone hacking our 7th Fleet? Navy to investigate after USS John S McCain collision

Admiral Richardson actually said that there was no indication of “cyber-intrusion or sabotage” but just that it was among the possibilities that will be investigated.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2017 • 5:40:22am

What I love about the rah rah with Trump’s speech is that his supporters claim to be drawn to him because he speaks off the cuff blah blah but when he speaks a prepared statement, it’s ZOMG HE’S PRESIDENTIAL. Didn’t y’all hate on Obama for the teleprompter and make stupid teleprompter jokes. And as someone said earlier, if you think someone is at their most presidential talking about warfare and death, you’re fucked up.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Aug 22, 2017 • 5:40:26am

Good morning Lizards:

Stolen from teh internets
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HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2017 • 5:40:54am

re: #143 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Remains Of Some Missing Sailors Found In ‘Sealed Compartments’ On USS John S. McCain

That’s awful. Those poor guys.

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Belafon  Aug 22, 2017 • 5:45:41am

re: #145 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Faux news wastes no time weighing in with the conspiracy theories:

Is someone hacking our 7th Fleet? Navy to investigate after USS John S McCain collision

Admiral Richardson actually said that there was no indication of “cyber-intrusion or sabotage” but just that it was among the possibilities that will be investigated.

I saw that somewhere else before Fox, though I don’t remember where.

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Belafon  Aug 22, 2017 • 5:46:36am

What if the real reason Trump scheduled his Afghanistan talk was that he found out on Saturday that there would be an eclipse on Monday and he didn’t want to be upstaged by God.

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Belafon  Aug 22, 2017 • 5:48:09am

re: #124 Timothy Watson

Yeah, it seemed pretty obvious to me, especially given Fey’s background of being a graduate of UVA, that she was mocking the “raise awareness”/”Internet activism” folks.

We like to make fun of conservatives for not understanding satire, but it seems there’s a lot of people on the left who don’t understand the concept either. Remember that nutjob who was trying to start a boycott of Colbert for his skit going after the “Redskins” name?

I think most people don’t get satire when it’s about them, and I’m not going to say I’m immune.

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I cannot.  Aug 22, 2017 • 5:48:17am

re: #150 Belafon

Completely plausible because we are living in a hell timeline.

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dangerman  Aug 22, 2017 • 5:49:09am

re: #25 sagehen

Reminder: this is what an “America First” rally looked like in 1934

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I don’t know anybody who’s old enough to remember this… but the rest of us have books and movies and stuff. We know better now.

Yeah but any statues?

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dangerman  Aug 22, 2017 • 5:53:55am

re: #60 KGxvi

I didn’t watch his address because I had more important things to do… mainly watch GOT. And not break my TV by throwing my couch through it.

But am I correct in understanding that the president of these United States gave a prime time address from the Oval Office in which he basically said that we have no idea what the fuck we are going to do in Afghanistan and so we’re just going to kind of keep doing the same thing? Is that about the jist of it?

The criteria is:
“As long as I look like a strong leader doing it”

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Belafon  Aug 22, 2017 • 6:00:38am

re: #154 dangerman

The criteria is:
“As long as I look like a strong leader doing it”

“I’m making decisions.”
“No, you’re not!”
“But I look like I am.”

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 22, 2017 • 6:07:17am
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Belafon  Aug 22, 2017 • 6:08:29am

re: #157 The Vicious Babushka

We should hand out copies of Battle Cry of Freedom to everyone complaining about removing these statues.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2017 • 6:10:42am

re: #158 Belafon

We should hand out copies of Battle Cry of Freedom to everyone complaining about removing these statues.

I’ve been contending that those who cry about the removal of CSA statues would have no problem if the people of Cuba removed Castro era statues and memorials in Cuba. They certainly did not object when Saddam’s statue fell in Baghdad. I don’t favor destroying these monuments. I feel they belong at a museum because what happened after the Civil War and how it was memorialized is almost as important as the Civli War itself.

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A Cranky One  Aug 22, 2017 • 6:11:58am

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 22, 2017 • 6:13:29am

re: #108 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Trumptetarian Lubbockites are worried leftists might try to destroy the Buddy Holly statue. I have no idea why they might think leftists would want to do that, but these are Lubbock RWNJs we are talking about. They are a special super-concentrated breed of derp-mongers.

Dedicated to the TexAssHoles of Lubbock!
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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 22, 2017 • 6:13:30am

re: #158 Belafon

We should hand out copies of Battle Cry of Freedom to everyone complaining about removing these statues.

When my daughter was here she asked “What happened to all your Civil War books, Mom?” and I told her to look in the back bedroom where the builders loaded a bunch of laundry baskets with all the books from the book shelves when they had to repair the ceiling.

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lawhawk  Aug 22, 2017 • 6:13:41am

re: #46 wheat-dogg

Impressive. Most impressive. And I think you captured one of the planets too (the bright object in the lower left side below the corona).

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Belafon  Aug 22, 2017 • 6:14:15am

re: #159 HappyWarrior

I’ve been contending that those who cry about the removal of CSA statues would have no problem if the people of Cuba removed Castro era statues and memorials in Cuba. They certainly did not object when Saddam’s statue fell in Baghdad. I don’t favor destroying these monuments. I feel they belong at a museum because what happened after the Civil War and how it was memorialized is almost as important as the Civli War itself.

It might be interesting to try to build a history of black lives in America that whites would go to. Start early, go through the civil war, and date things up through the near present. Show that these statues were mostly put up in the 20th century.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2017 • 6:14:52am

re: #164 Belafon

It might be interesting to try to build a history of black lives in America that whites would go to. Start early, go through the civil war, and date things up through the near present. Show that these statues were mostly put up in the 20th century.

That sounds like a great idea.

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darthstar  Aug 22, 2017 • 6:14:57am
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Belafon  Aug 22, 2017 • 6:15:36am

re: #39 wheat-dogg

BTW, I would buy yours as well.

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lawhawk  Aug 22, 2017 • 6:18:43am

Greets and saluts from the resistance in the NYC metro area. It’s not a day ending in Y unless Trump or the media do something spectacularly idiotic.

Rucker thinks that Trump said something presidential? That’s the pivot? He’s fooling himself and his readers if he thinks anything good will come from Trump’s renewed involvement in Afghanistan. Trump didn’t signal any actual changes in tangible military strategy. He didn’t identify a goal or metric by which you can claim we win. He’s just indicated that we’ll be sending more troops and spilling more blood in the sand with no end in sight because he doesn’t care about anything other than what it makes him look like in the eyes of his supporters.

Meanwhile, Pence was going on this morning about the need for more monuments and statues, and I think I’ve found the proper tone:

Who knew they could stack crap so high will be the rejoinder when people look upon statues to Pence and Trump.

It also renews faith in my fellow Americans when I see stuff like this, and it’s a reminder that hate grows when people don’t speak up and speak out against the bigotry:

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HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2017 • 6:18:46am

To me, the mythology surrounding the Civil War and the figures around it really is history in itself. It’s why I really disagree with the idea that the winners write history. We had the South’s perspective on Reconstruction dominate our classrooms for decades to the point where I fell for the myth that Grant was a bad President. I wouldn’t put Grant in my top 10 but U.S. Grant did combat the KKK, he did try to help the freedmen, etc.

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Targetpractice  Aug 22, 2017 • 6:19:15am

Trump will pardon Arpaio and the media will talk about it being “controversial” and “shocking”…before muttering that it’s within his power to do so and we should just accept that it happened and move on.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2017 • 6:19:33am

re: #168 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the resistance in the NYC metro area. It’s not a day ending in Y unless Trump or the media do something spectacularly idiotic.

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Pence is such a wanker.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 22, 2017 • 6:19:37am

Not even Barnum believed he could get people to be this stupid!

rawstory.com

In a panel discussion with CNN, his supporters agreed that they were all fine with the increase in troop levels with Afghanistan.

“This is what he said he was going to do,” said Bobby Viera, criticizing former President Barack Obama for not doing what Trump is doing now.

Host Alisyn Camerota recalled Trump’s tweets attacking Obama’s troop increase in Afghanistan, wondering why it was bad for Obama to do it but it was strong for Trump to do it. Another supporter, Jimmy Dozier, explained that it was due to Trump’s consultation with his generals, while Obama ignored his, a talking point frequently pushed by the right-wing.

“He can do what he wants!” one supporter shouted over the rest, excusing the president contradicting himself.

“President Trump is smarter than anyone in this room,” said Dozier. “He has made millions of dollars. He knows what he is doing.”

When it came to Trump’s response to the white supremacists and Nazis in Charlottesville, none of the people were “troubled” by it.

Got to hand it to the Republican Bullshit Machine for brainwashing these assholes!

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HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2017 • 6:23:23am

re: #172 Joe Bacon 🌹

Not even Barnum believed he could get people to be this stupid!

rawstory.com

In a panel discussion with CNN, his supporters agreed that they were all fine with the increase in troop levels with Afghanistan.

“This is what he said he was going to do,” said Bobby Viera, criticizing former President Barack Obama for not doing what Trump is doing now.

Host Alisyn Camerota recalled Trump’s tweets attacking Obama’s troop increase in Afghanistan, wondering why it was bad for Obama to do it but it was strong for Trump to do it. Another supporter, Jimmy Dozier, explained that it was due to Trump’s consultation with his generals, while Obama ignored his, a talking point frequently pushed by the right-wing.

“He can do what he wants!” one supporter shouted over the rest, excusing the president contradicting himself.

“President Trump is smarter than anyone in this room,” said Dozier. “He has made millions of dollars. He knows what he is doing.”

When it came to Trump’s response to the white supremacists and Nazis in Charlottesville, none of the people were “troubled” by it.

Got to hand it to the Republican Bullshit Machine for brainwashing these assholes!

This is a cult. Trump could propose to change our flag to a Swastika and they’d find some way to rationalize it.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 22, 2017 • 6:26:57am

re: #173 HappyWarrior

This is a cult. Trump could propose to change our flag to a Swastika and they’d find some way to rationalize it.

It’s heritage!

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Interesting Times  Aug 22, 2017 • 6:34:55am

re: #172 Joe Bacon 🌹

President Trump is smarter than anyone in this room,” said Dozier. “He has made millions of dollars. He knows what he is doing.”

The most depressing thing is that this is true - Cheeto Benito *is* smarter than his supporters (because, as I’ve heard it said, a successful con-artist doesn’t need to be smart per sae, only smarter than the people he’s trying to con).

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lawhawk  Aug 22, 2017 • 6:35:22am
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FormerDirtDart  Aug 22, 2017 • 6:38:41am
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lawhawk  Aug 22, 2017 • 6:38:51am

Grim Milestone Watch:

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 22, 2017 • 6:41:09am

A great morning. Back from walking the beasts, soaked in sweat.

Water turned off.
No time frame regarding return.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 22, 2017 • 6:52:33am

re: #18 EPR-radar

IMO the definitive characterization of College Republicans is from Buffy the Vampire Slayer:

Unfortunately, Whedon turns out to be a scumbag.

thewrap.com

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Sir John Barron  Aug 22, 2017 • 6:59:30am

re: #172 Joe Bacon 🌹

Another supporter, Jimmy Dozier, explained that it was due to Trump’s consultation with his generals, while Obama ignored his, a talking point frequently pushed by the right-wing.

Good Dog…

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 22, 2017 • 7:01:46am

re: #67 electrotek

She’s crazy”

Model-turned-Evangelist. Artist; Pro-Yisrael Blogger; American Patriot; Prophetic Author.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 22, 2017 • 7:05:29am

re: #74 Kragar

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Sir John Barron  Aug 22, 2017 • 7:06:27am

re: #169 HappyWarrior

To me, the mythology surrounding the Civil War and the figures around it really is history in itself. It’s why I really disagree with the idea that the winners write history. We had the South’s perspective on Reconstruction dominate our classrooms for decades to the point where I fell for the myth that Grant was a bad President. I wouldn’t put Grant in my top 10 but U.S. Grant did combat the KKK, he did try to help the freedmen, etc.

Yeah, it’s pretty incredible. Another figure that has been slimed for more than a century is Edwin Stanton, Lincoln’s Secretary of War. Neo-confederates are still sliming him. Fortunately, there’s a good, new biography out on Stanton that I’m about 100 pages into.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2017 • 7:11:30am

re: #185 Sir John Barron

Yeah, it’s pretty incredible. Another figure that has been slimed for more than a century is Edwin Stanton, Lincoln’s Secretary of War. Neo-confederates are still sliming him. Fortunately, there’s a good, new biography out on Stanton that I’m about 100 pages into.

Stanton was also a Democrat. A lot of people especially on the right want to make the Civil War out to be Dems versus Republicans. That’s nonsense. While the Republicans were pretty much all Unionists, there were plenty of Democratic ones as well.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 22, 2017 • 7:17:19am

Water

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 22, 2017 • 7:18:23am

I highly recommend that y’all listen to today’s episode of The Daily (NYT podcast). Barbaro interviews Derek Black, son of the founder of Stormfront. He changed his views about six years ago, and explains the significance of Trump’s Tuesday press conference among other things.

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 22, 2017 • 7:23:25am

re: #174 Dr. Matt

It’s heritage!

Not hate!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 22, 2017 • 7:23:48am
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ObserverArt  Aug 22, 2017 • 7:24:28am

re: #140 I Would Prefer Not To

Philip Rucker ✔ @PhilipRucker
Tonight is a new President Trump: Acknowledging a flip-flop and talking about gravity of office, history & substance.
9:16 PM - Aug 21, 2017]

Love her

So, slide some words written by a staff member and gone over by the generals onto the teleprompter, read them like a plaster statue and THE PRESIDENT HAS CHANGED!

What did Trump even have to do with this decision? I bet he doesn’t even know the details. Outside that he is as disconnected about this as he is about everything else.

America needs some journalists that are factual and honest. We don’t need fine artists in politics painting impressionistic fluff.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 22, 2017 • 7:29:11am

re: #141 Targetpractice

Much like his SotU address, Trump reads a pre-written speech in a half-assed manner and gets applauded for not soiling himself on live TV.

And in less than 24 hours, the media will find themselves throwing out all the long editorials they’re no doubt writing now about how “presidential” he has finally become.

It’s a con & there are always rubes.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 22, 2017 • 7:34:09am

omg

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 22, 2017 • 7:34:35am

2 GOP Congressmen Now Accusing Dems Of Staging White Supremacist Violence In Charlottesville -VIDEO

Guess who!
That’s right!
IT’S GOHMERT!

On Monday, Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-TX) told Fox Business, “This has been stirred up. This is being driven by forces of evil that are so far beyond what normal people can think about.”

Gohmert then went on to say that the Democratic mayor of Charlottesville and the Democratic governor of Virginia conspired together to bait white supremacists and Liberal protesters into fighting each other in the streets of Charlottesville.

“There is a strategy to make race the number one issue in 2018 and 2020. They think it’s their ticket back this is going to blow up in their face,” he continued.
According to Gohmert there were “witnesses” who saw the KKK and Black Lives Matter protesters getting off the same buses. And he’s claiming that all of them were just actors paid by Democrats.

“We need an investigation as to what happened in Charlottesville,” Gohmert demanded. “Who paid for the different groups to come in? Who ordered the funneling of those groups together? Who ordered to stand by while the violence goes on?”

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Lupin  Aug 22, 2017 • 7:36:07am

Brian Aldiss just passed away. I loved HOTHOUSE and CRYPTOZOIC when I was in college.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 22, 2017 • 7:37:17am

re: #194 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

2 GOP Congressmen Now Accusing Dems Of Staging White Supremacist Violence In Charlottesville -VIDEO

Guess who!
That’s right!
IT’S GOHMERT!

We now need to update the graphic to this…

Next we may need to change the Hours to Seconds….
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Belafon  Aug 22, 2017 • 7:37:28am

re: #194 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

According to Gohmert there were “witnesses” who saw the KKK and Black Lives Matter protesters getting off the same buses.

Kayfabe.

Projection!

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ObserverArt  Aug 22, 2017 • 7:39:23am

Happy Warrior…

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 22, 2017 • 7:42:56am
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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 22, 2017 • 7:43:03am

re: #60 KGxvi

I didn’t watch his address because I had more important things to do… mainly watch GOT. And not break my TV by throwing my couch through it.

But am I correct in understanding that the president of these United States gave a prime time address from the Oval Office in which he basically said that we have no idea what the fuck we are going to do in Afghanistan and so we’re just going to kind of keep doing the same thing? Is that about the jist of it?

Yep, Trump is going to keep trying to do what Alexander the Great, the British Empire the Soviet Union, George Bush and Barack Obama couldn’t do, tame Afghanistan. He’ll put Jared on it as soon as he’s done brokering a peace deal between Israel and Palestine!

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Dave In Austin  Aug 22, 2017 • 7:43:25am
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Targetpractice  Aug 22, 2017 • 7:44:23am

re: #193 Stanley Sea

omg

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I guess McMaster forgot to tell Trump that “This is what Afghanistan was like before we bailed on them after a decade fighting the Soviets for us, allowing the ‘freedom fighters’ that we’d bankrolled to roll in and impose a theocratic state.”

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Romantic Heretic  Aug 22, 2017 • 7:47:15am

re: #2 Kragar

It’s really sad when Laura Ingraham is asking intelligent questions.

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 22, 2017 • 7:49:46am

re: #70 Joe Bacon 🌹

I have to give props to Josh Marshall for trying to cheer me up. He’s documenting about how ol’ Mitch seems to be in very serious trouble in Kentucky!

A few moments ago I noticed a new PPP poll showing that Mitch McConnell seems to have been damaged significantly in his home state of Kentucky by the effort to repeal Obamacare. The number that caught my eye was that McConnell has an astonishing 74% disapproval rating with just 18% approving of his performance in office. A hypothetical Democrat beats him by 7 percentage points. But that only tells part of the story.

McConnell is down at 18% approval. But Trump has a 60% approval rating in the state. If voters are upset with McConnell’s dogged efforts to repeal Obamacare, why is Trump doing so well? Or is it that McConnell failed to repeal Obamacare? And Good Lord, how can Mitch McConnell have a 74% disapproval rating? Congressional leaders always have low approval. See Boehner, Pelosi, Gingrich, et al. But that’s nationally. They almost always maintain strong support in their own states or districts. After all, that’s how they keep getting reelected. This is just a snapshot long before McConnell will face reelection in 2020. But for now the poll shows McConnell trailing a Democratic opponent 37% to 44%.

Read the full article. It will bring a little sunlight into your soul!

talkingpointsmemo.com

As a Kentuckian, I have little hope that my home state voters won’t re-elect McConnell if he runs again. He’s a master of negative campaigning.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2017 • 7:51:25am

re: #199 The Vicious Babushka

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Go fuck yourself dumbass.

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JordanRules  Aug 22, 2017 • 7:54:16am
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Belafon  Aug 22, 2017 • 7:54:28am

re: #199 The Vicious Babushka

I like how he’s a coward for not coming right out and saying “We shouldn’t have blacks, women, or gays in the military.”

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 22, 2017 • 8:01:47am

re: #141 Targetpractice

Much like his SotU address, Trump reads a pre-written speech in a half-assed manner and gets applauded for not soiling himself on live TV.

And in less than 24 hours, the media will find themselves throwing out all the long editorials they’re no doubt writing now about how “presidential” he has finally become.

Just in time for what is likely to be a particularly racist Trump speech in Phoenix.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2017 • 8:02:25am

re: #198 ObserverArt

Happy Warrior…

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HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2017 • 8:03:37am

re: #207 Belafon

I like how he’s a coward for not coming right out and saying “We shouldn’t have blacks, women, or gays in the military.”

He pretty much says the same exact arguments about “social experiments” that opponents of racial integration said. LGBT service members didn’t cause this to happen and for Prince to suggest that it even remotely did. LGBT people have been serving in our military literally from our nation’s start.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 22, 2017 • 8:08:47am
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Stanley Sea  Aug 22, 2017 • 8:09:46am
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JordanRules  Aug 22, 2017 • 8:14:24am

Tonight should be uhhh, interesting here…

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 22, 2017 • 8:16:58am

re: #74 Kragar

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 22, 2017 • 8:17:15am
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JordanRules  Aug 22, 2017 • 8:25:09am
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Dr. Matt  Aug 22, 2017 • 8:25:49am

Trump’s address last night accomplished exactly what it intended to do: Stop the MSM from talking about his response to Nazis and Charlottesville. Hopefully he shits the bed like usual at his Nuremberg Rally tonight.

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 22, 2017 • 8:27:02am

re: #217 Dr. Matt

Trump’s address last night accomplished exactly what it intended to do: Stop the MSM from talking about his response to Nazis and Charlottesville. Hopefully he shits the bed like usual at his Nuremberg Rally tonight.

Hard to imagine he won’t. I expect him to laud Sheriff Joe when announcing his presidential pardon.

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 22, 2017 • 8:30:24am

re: #201 Dave In Austin

Laura Ingraham ✔ @IngrahamAngle
Who’s going to pay for it? What is our measure of success? We didn’t win with 100K troops. How will we win with 4,000 more?


Follow
D. E. Todd @DaveoutofAustin
LOL! Ah, That’s all you’ll get from me other than “What about her E-Mails!!”
9:42 AM - Aug 22, 2017

This really surprises me. I thought Laura Ingraham was always on the Trump Train and has certainly supported him after the election. This is the only time I’ve seen anything critical of him from her.

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ObserverArt  Aug 22, 2017 • 8:32:06am

re: #219 Hecuba’s daughter

This really surprises me. I thought Laura Ingraham was always on the Trump Train and has certainly supported him after the election. This is the only time I’ve seen anything critical of him from her.

Maybe Laura is missing her favorite Nazi Bannon.

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BeachDem  Aug 22, 2017 • 8:34:25am

re: #193 Stanley Sea

omg

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The other tidbit that stood out to me in that article was this:

Trump has nurtured a lifelong infatuation with military culture, going back to his youth at a military academy. One of his favorite movies is “Patton,” the 1970 Hollywood biopic of Gen. George S. Patton’s exploits during World War II.

So buy him a GI Joe doll and some toy soldiers to satisfy his “infatuation.” JFC

and this one (about that hideous photo from the other day)

In a wood-paneled room, Trump sat at a table scowling as 13 advisers stood behind him, each of them stone-faced and staring into the camera. The flags of the five military branches filled the background. To Trump, this was the image of strength.

So it was posed that way—what did he do, hand out lemons for them to suck on?

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 22, 2017 • 8:34:40am

re: #217 Dr. Matt

Trump’s address last night accomplished exactly what it intended to do: Stop the MSM from talking about his response to Nazis and Charlottesville. Hopefully he shits the bed like usual at his Nuremberg Rally tonight.

Isn’t that the entire problem during his campaign for the Presidency? Our incompetent press couldn’t pursue any single outrage because a new one arose on a daily basis.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 22, 2017 • 8:38:29am

re: #222 Hecuba’s daughter

Isn’t that the entire problem during his campaign for the Presidency? Our incompetent press couldn’t pursue any single outrage because a new one arose on a daily basis.

Our “Ministry of Infotainment” was too busy ripping Hillary to pieces.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 22, 2017 • 8:42:17am
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Stanley Sea  Aug 22, 2017 • 8:42:51am

re: #216 JordanRules

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It’s a secret! Tune in next week for the big reveal!

(Miniskirts for all women in Afghanistan)

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 22, 2017 • 8:43:48am

re: #175 Interesting Times

The most depressing thing is that this is true - Cheeto Benito *is* smarter than his supporters (because, as I’ve heard it said, a successful con-artist doesn’t need to be smart per sae, only smarter than the people he’s trying to con).

It all depends on your definition of smart. Most Trumpsters of my acquaintance would score higher on an IQ test. But when it comes to tests of gullibility, they would all fail. The information they accept is filtered and even if they read other viewpoints, it is automatically rejected because they are embedded in the cult. And they are basically racists at their core who support the preservation of the confederate statues because “heritage”. They are not the WWC but they still think Trump is brilliant.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 22, 2017 • 8:44:25am

re: #225 Stanley Sea

It’s a secret! Tune in next week for the big reveal!

(Miniskirts for all women in Afghanistan)

That will also improve employment as they go to work for Fox M.E.

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dangerman  Aug 22, 2017 • 8:49:28am

re: #170 Targetpractice

Trump will pardon Arpaio and the media will talk about it being “controversial” and “shocking”…before muttering that it’s within his power to do so and we should just accept that it happened and move on.

Man hasn’t been sentenced yet
He’s jumping over hundreds who are in line going through the system patiently and properly

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Jay C  Aug 22, 2017 • 8:51:20am

re: #199 The Vicious Babushka

So what’s Prince’s theory? That the sailors who were supposed to be on the bridge of the McCain were all off taking “sensitivity training” or whatever, and let that tanker run into them? While they left the ships token blind guy on watch because they were too “PC” to give him another post?

Moron.

PS: Erik Prince’s idiocy aside, what actually did cause the collisions involving the Fitzgerald and the McCain is still a pretty big mystery. And unfortunately, since whatever they do determine as the cause is going to - probably - be embarrassing to the Navy, it’s not likely to be revealed any time soon.

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Interesting Times  Aug 22, 2017 • 8:51:24am

re: #226 Hecuba’s daughter

It all depends on your definition of smart. Most Trumpsters of my acquaintance would score higher on an IQ test. But when it comes to tests of gullibility, they would all fail. The information they accept is filtered and even if they read other viewpoints, it is automatically rejected because they are embedded in the cult. And they are basically racists at their core who support the preservation of the confederate statues because “heritage”. They are not the WWC but they still think Trump is brilliant.

I would consider them an example of the smart idiot effect, or willfully ignorant/stupid (which is really the worst kind).

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Birth Control Works  Aug 22, 2017 • 8:53:24am

re: #230 Interesting Times

I would consider them an example of the smart idiot effect, or willfully ignorant/stupid (which is really the worst kind).

PEOPLE are all susceptible to grifters. Some more than others. It is not their fault.

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meteor  Aug 22, 2017 • 8:54:18am

re: #211 FormerDirtDart

I figure those would be depressants.

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Birth Control Works  Aug 22, 2017 • 8:56:29am

Notice the pattern of advertisers on Fox. They tend to focus on “testimonials”. Aired, over and over and over.

Mostly paid actors, but the Fox viewers are susceptible to that system of advertising.

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Birth Control Works  Aug 22, 2017 • 8:57:26am

REQUIRED READING!

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Interesting Times  Aug 22, 2017 • 9:02:15am

re: #232 Birth Control Works

PEOPLE are all susceptible to grifters. Some more than others. It is not their fault.

Why Americans Get Conned Again and Again

While Balleisen’s text is often rollicking and engaging, it leads readers to a rather bleak conclusion: Americans don’t really want cheaters and con artists punished, or driven out of national institutions. On the contrary, the historical record Balleisen reviews suggests that many Americans actually admire con artists and seek to emulate them.

Fraud is a phenomenon that knows no borders, but American exceptionalism, as Balleisen shows, includes a special vulnerability to fraudsters and con artists. As he points out, “Many of the world’s most expensive and ambitious frauds have occurred in America” because “openness to innovation has always meant openness to creative deception.”

I think there’s a lot of truth to this. Canadians aren’t immune to cons, for example, but because our national character tends to be a bit more circumspect and cautious compared to the US, we’re less vulnerable to bombastic feel-good dumbfuckery.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 22, 2017 • 9:04:21am

re: #234 Birth Control Works

Notice the pattern of advertisers on Fox. They tend to focus on “testimonials”. Aired, over and over and over.

Mostly paid actors, but the Fox viewers are susceptible to that system of advertising.

CNN and MSNBC run the exact same ads.

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Belafon  Aug 22, 2017 • 9:04:56am

re: #236 Interesting Times

Why Americans Get Conned Again and Again

I think there’s a lot of truth to this. Canadians aren’t immune to cons, for example, but because our national character tends to be a bit more circumspect and cautious compared to the US, we’re less vulnerable to bombastic feel-good dumbfuckery.

And yet, we’re currently going through a phase where the biggest group influenced by conmen are the people who don’t like our current progress.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 22, 2017 • 9:06:03am

I meant to say that CNN runs the exact same ads as MSNBC. I don’t know if they are the same ads that are on Fox because I don’t watch Fox.

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ObserverArt  Aug 22, 2017 • 9:10:35am

re: #239 The Vicious Babushka

I meant to say that CNN runs the exact same ads as MSNBC. I don’t know if they are the same ads that are on Fox because I don’t watch Fox.

I am pretty good at paying attention to faces.

I like seeing a “testimonial” ad and then seeing that same actor in another commercial for something else. Pretty much puts paid to them being a real person endorsing some service.

There are commercial producing companies that use the same actors in many commercials. It’s kind of fun picking them out as they become different characters as needed.

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Interesting Times  Aug 22, 2017 • 9:11:12am

re: #238 Belafon

And yet, we’re currently going through a phase where the biggest group influenced by conmen are the people who don’t like our current progress.

If you’re referring to word “innovation” in the section I quoted, I wouldn’t take it too literally (or assume it only refers to what appears to be technical/scientific achievement). Think of “innovation = con” as it manifested itself in the financial crisis, the “trickle-down” scam, the “big, beautiful wall” idiocy, the “durr hurr trump a brilliant businessman” derp, and so on. Maybe instead of “innovation”, the term should’ve been “get rich quick” or “entrepreneurship.”

I think the author’s point is, America falls too much in love with grandiose, simplistic, showy promises (and sadly, GOPers are good at that while Dems aren’t -_- )

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JordanRules  Aug 22, 2017 • 9:13:49am
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Belafon  Aug 22, 2017 • 9:13:52am

re: #241 Interesting Times

Not that I want to take this too far, but that failure is probably because we are currently less inclined to see problems as being reduced to a single cause or a simple solution.

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Belafon  Aug 22, 2017 • 9:15:02am

re: #242 JordanRules

How many of them aren’t dead.

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Birth Control Works  Aug 22, 2017 • 9:16:07am

WHAT WE CAN LEARN FROM PEOPLE WHO HAVE LEFT WHITE SUPREMACY GROUPS

White supremacist groups have a retention problem. Although it’s hard to say how frequently people abandon supremacist organizations—namely because researchers don’t know how many people join in the first place, making calculating a defection rate nearly impossible—members often become disillusioned with the organizations and leave, says Pete Simi, a sociologist at Chapman University in California. Simi has been able to conduct dozens of interviews with former racist hate-group members for his studies. His work suggests that people can, in fact, change.

Simi also works with Life After Hate, a non-profit founded by former neo-Nazis and other hate-group members that aims to help others to exit extremist organizations. The non-profit’s leadership says Life After Hate has helped hundreds leave white supremacy. At the same time, plenty of Simi’s interviewees left their hate groups because they disliked the particular organizations without abandoning their racist beliefs.

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 22, 2017 • 9:17:50am

re: #230 Interesting Times

I would consider them an example of the smart idiot effect, or willfully ignorant/stupid (which is really the worst kind).

Thank you for the link. Is definitely in accord with my observations.

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Birth Control Works  Aug 22, 2017 • 9:19:29am

re: #236 Interesting Times

Why Americans Get Conned Again and Again

I think there’s a lot of truth to this. Canadians aren’t immune to cons, for example, but because our national character tends to be a bit more circumspect and cautious compared to the US, we’re less vulnerable to bombastic feel-good dumbfuckery.

Yeah, we appreciate a good performance.

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Birth Control Works  Aug 22, 2017 • 9:19:53am

re: #237 The Vicious Babushka

CNN and MSNBC run the exact same ads.

Survival Food and Gold?

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Birth Control Works  Aug 22, 2017 • 9:20:31am

re: #238 Belafon

And yet, we’re currently going through a phase where the biggest group influenced by conmen are the people who don’t like our current progress.

Salesmen are the worst buyers.

We are a nation of salesmen.

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ObserverArt  Aug 22, 2017 • 9:23:01am

re: #247 Birth Control Works

Yeah, we appreciate a good performance.

I would replace “we” with some. Not everyone falls for cons just because they are American.

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Birth Control Works  Aug 22, 2017 • 9:23:03am

I read/listened to this earlier this year. I am considering adding it to the list for REQUIRED READING. I’D appreciate hearing from anyone else who has also read it.

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ObserverArt  Aug 22, 2017 • 9:24:08am

re: #249 Birth Control Works

Salesmen are the worst buyers.

We are a nation of salesmen.

You drive one of the biggest buses ever!

: )

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 22, 2017 • 9:24:23am

re: #248 Birth Control Works

Survival Food and Gold?

I meant that CNN & MSNBC run the same ads AS EACH OTHER.

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electrotek  Aug 22, 2017 • 9:24:25am
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JordanRules  Aug 22, 2017 • 9:24:59am

re: #241 Interesting Times

This makes a lot of sense. It does seem to be part of our ethos.
Primed for it from the beginning. A wondrous and wonderful land of the free where all are created equal!!!!!
Except {insert glaring exceptions here}…
I think the age of our democracy may play a role here too.

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Birth Control Works  Aug 22, 2017 • 9:26:02am

re: #250 ObserverArt

I would replace “we” with some. Not everyone falls for cons just because they are American.

True. Having worked in sales, I love dissecting other’s performance. And, I am also a sucker.

A year or so ago, I was walking on the street on the North side of Chicago. A young black man carrying a stack of CD’s starts walking backwards beside my friend and I. Hawking his Band’s CDs.

Yeah, I bought one. I felt I had to reward his willingness to get out there and work it. Plus he was cute as hell.

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ObserverArt  Aug 22, 2017 • 9:28:14am

re: #254 electrotek

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I wonder what Courtney would think how things would have gone had the Democrats done nothing as far as social legislation since the 50s?

I see she has a math PHD. Yet, her thinking doesn’t add up.

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Birth Control Works  Aug 22, 2017 • 9:28:50am

re: #257 ObserverArt

I wonder what Courtney would think how things would have gone had the Democrats done nothing as far as social legislation since the 50s?

I see she has a math PHD. Yet, her thinking doesn’t add up.

humans are not logical

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wrenchwench  Aug 22, 2017 • 9:29:16am

re: #254 electrotek

[It should be a crime against humanity to be this stupid]

I read that first as Cornel West, and I thought, ‘OMG, even he can’t be that stupid!

Whew.

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JordanRules  Aug 22, 2017 • 9:36:07am

re: #254 electrotek

This crazy woman is teaching children via her website. I’m speechless.
*sends another RSVP to the closest meteor*

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Belafon  Aug 22, 2017 • 9:36:11am

re: #259 wrenchwench

I read that first as Cornel West, and I thought, ‘OMG, even he can’t be that stupid!

Whew.

I can’t look at the account, but the coincidence of the name, plus her comment really doe scream fake. Fake would definitely be a better explanation.

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Birth Control Works  Aug 22, 2017 • 9:36:55am

from my email:

Editor’s Note:

What should you do if neo-Nazis come to your town to rally? University of Washington historian Laurie Marhoefer, an expert on the original German Nazis, says counterprotests can actually play right into the Nazi strategy of drawing their opponents into violent clashes. In Nazi Germany, she writes, “violent confrontations with antifascists gave the Nazis a chance to paint themselves as the victims of a pugnacious, lawless left. They seized it.”

And historian Matthew Delmont of Arizona State is troubled by people’s surprise at the resurgence of white supremacism in the U.S. “When Americans celebrate the country’s victory in WWII,” he writes, “but forget that the U.S. armed forces were segregated, that the Red Cross segregated blood donors or that many black WWII veterans returned to the country only to be denied jobs or housing, it becomes all the more difficult to talk honestly about racism today.

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Birth Control Works  Aug 22, 2017 • 9:37:31am

re: #261 Belafon

I can’t look at the account, but the coincidence of the name, plus her comment really doe scream fake. Fake would definitely be a better explanation.

I think there are a lot of “pranksters” out there in social media.

boredeom …

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JordanRules  Aug 22, 2017 • 9:37:33am

re: #261 Belafon

I immediately thought it was a bot. Went to her webpage and she seems real but I admittedly didn’t dig too deep.

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Mike Lamb  Aug 22, 2017 • 9:40:07am

re: #254 electrotek

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Noooope. I’m out.

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Birth Control Works  Aug 22, 2017 • 9:40:55am

Trump’s Interior Department moves to stop mountaintop removal study

Trump administration officials have told the National Academy of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine to halt a review of the increased public health risks faced by Appalachian residents who live near mountaintop removal coal-mining sites, the academies revealed in a statement issued Monday.

Word of the U.S. Department of the Interior’s Office of Surface Mining Reclamation and Enforcement order was disclosed by the academies just hours before the scientific panel conducting the study was scheduled to hear from coalfield residents at a public meeting Monday evening in Hazard, Kentucky, and then hold two days of business meetings in Lexington.

Academies spokesman William Kearney said in a statement that the OSM told the academies in a letter Friday to “cease all work” on the mountaintop removal study. The letter indicated that Interior had begun “an agency-wide review” of grants and cooperative agreements in excess of $100,000, “largely as a result of the Department’s changing budget situation,” the academies said.

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Skip Intro  Aug 22, 2017 • 9:42:12am

re: #103 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If they ever remake Animal House he’s a lock for Flounder.

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Belafon  Aug 22, 2017 • 9:42:14am

re: #262 Birth Control Works

from my email:

Editor’s Note:

The answer is:
1. Show up in bigger numbers.
2. Isolation and remove those on the left that want to agitate.

We’re finding out that most people aren’t falling for the “Nazis were the victims” line.

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Skip Intro  Aug 22, 2017 • 9:44:43am

re: #224 FormerDirtDart

Another vacation?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2017 • 9:46:08am

re: #254 electrotek

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That’s not how a Nazi government would work. Good grief.

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Birth Control Works  Aug 22, 2017 • 9:47:42am

re: #269 Skip Intro

Another vacation?

that would be nice.

Where do you want to go?

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Belafon  Aug 22, 2017 • 9:49:27am

I thought this was a very good comment over at DK:

it’s important for us to remember that charlottesville was a national concentration of white supremacists, and even then they only managed to turn out a couple hundred. that’s one reason why they did the nighttime torchlight photo op, because it exaggerates their numbers visually. the only way they can sustain a national protest movement is if there’s some vast sea of potential supporters willing to associate with them in public. the fact that we can outdraw them suggests there isn’t, even as there is a vast sea out there of both vocal and tacit support for a less overt form of white supremacy.

they gambled that they could swell their ranks nationally with all that passive support by sparking a good fight, but it does not appear to be playing out that way. we need to take them and their horrific ideas and rhetoric seriously, but we should remain skeptical of their claims to represent an imminent revolutionary groundswell. their recourse to the tactics of disorder and chaos in those street battles might fire some of them up, but probably comes at the cost of turning off a ton of conservatives for whom order is an important organizing principle, cops foremost among them.

shows of force are a delicate business, and often have unintended consequences.

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BeachDem  Aug 22, 2017 • 9:50:21am

re: #261 Belafon

I can’t look at the account, but the coincidence of the name, plus her comment really doe scream fake. Fake would definitely be a better explanation.

Nope—real (just idiotic) as in her books are listed on Amazon.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 22, 2017 • 9:51:29am

re: #254 electrotek

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Birth Control Works  Aug 22, 2017 • 9:51:40am

How Sigmund Freud Tried to Break and Remake His Fiancée

This article gives some interesting insights into a certain mindset.

Shamelss Pages Post

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JordanRules  Aug 22, 2017 • 9:51:47am

We have to figure out a plan for dealing with Fox and the like. They are a foundational part of this battle for the soul of America.

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Belafon  Aug 22, 2017 • 9:52:25am

re: #273 BeachDem

Nope—real (just idiotic) as in her books are listed on Amazon.

Well, then. Someone needs to explain to her that governments that rule by fear need easy to access scapegoats, which means pulling them from the local population.

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dangerman  Aug 22, 2017 • 9:55:27am

re: #268 Belafon

The answer is:
1. Show up in bigger numbers.
2. Isolation and remove those on the left that want to agitate.

We’re finding out that most people aren’t falling for the “Nazis were the victims” line.

be civil, loud, disciplined
and be prepared for your photo to represent

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Dr. Matt  Aug 22, 2017 • 9:58:00am

re: #254 electrotek

@girlfeliz1 is most certainly a sock puppet. A whole shit ton of derp coming from that Nazi.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2017 • 9:58:37am

re: #276 JordanRules

We have to figure out a plan for dealing with Fox and the like. They are a foundational part of this battle for the soul of America.

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FNC is a blight. I don’t know how we’ll deal with them though.

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Birth Control Works  Aug 22, 2017 • 9:59:06am

I think it all boils down to the same tired idioms:

Be the Change You Want to See.

That means self-reflection and growth—American’s are good at that

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electrotek  Aug 22, 2017 • 9:59:24am

re: #279 Dr. Matt

@girlfeliz1 is most certainly a sock puppet. A whole shit ton of derp coming from that Nazi.

I hope so, but when you have a minority of black people who defend the Confederate flag, nothing surprises me anymore.

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JordanRules  Aug 22, 2017 • 9:59:25am

re: #280 HappyWarrior

Definitely no easy answers here.

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dangerman  Aug 22, 2017 • 9:59:28am

re: #274 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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AT NO TIME HAVE ALL Americans EVER BEEN treated EQUAL under the LAW.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2017 • 10:00:16am

re: #283 JordanRules

Definitely no easy answers here.

There really isn’t because whole regions of people have been brainwashed by these assholes.

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Belafon  Aug 22, 2017 • 10:02:41am

I have a Civil War hypothesis to explain the statues: We never officially ended the part of the Civil War due to slavery. The original goal of the war was maintaining the Union of the country. And while Republicans were abolitionists, and Lincoln after the Emancipation Proclamation made the war also about ending slavery, we really ended it on preserving the union. We didn’t go through and systematically destroy all of the things that supported slavery. Reconstruction tried, but, like going to the moon, people got bored with it and moved on. And that allowed a system to be restored that was slavery in everything but name. Jim Crow and the statues were consequences of that. If we had truly ended slavery, we would have completely redone the economy of the south, redivided the land so that it didn’t match the plantations, and introduced more manufacturing.

Shorter: We still have to have the final battle over slavery.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 22, 2017 • 10:07:16am

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JordanRules  Aug 22, 2017 • 10:11:04am

re: #286 Belafon

Totally agree! The failure of reconstruction was mostly due to a sustained, deliberate and organized opposition that had all the resources. And that history serves your theory very well.

There has to be a reckoning.

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BlueGrl21  Aug 22, 2017 • 10:11:43am

Had dinner with my parents last night; both are lifelong liberal Democrats in Texas. As a result, they ended up not staying in touch with a lot of people they grew up with.

They’re in their early 70s and going through wanting to reconnect with people they went to school with. This has disillusioned my father, to say the least.

“All they do all day is sit around, watch Fox News, and talk about what real Christians are supposed to believe. I don’t know if it’s because they’re near death or what. They refuse to believe the world has changed and they want something back or to stop it. NOT GONNA HAPPEN. Jesus Christ, I can’t take it.”

“Do you tell them that you’ve got a different way of seeing the world?”

“Yep. Which is why there’s about 3 out of 100 I can stand.”

My dad falls under the heading of grumpy old curmudgeon, but uses his power for good.

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danarchy  Aug 22, 2017 • 10:11:47am

re: #279 Dr. Matt

@girlfeliz1 is most certainly a sock puppet. A whole shit ton of derp coming from that Nazi.

If it is a sock it is a very dedicated one. Has a book for sale on amazon with the same name and pictures.

amazon.com

Unless it is a case of stolen identity, but I’ll go with Occam’s razor on this one. There are stupid people everywhere.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2017 • 10:11:59am

re: #287 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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wrenchwench  Aug 22, 2017 • 10:12:02am

re: #275 Birth Control Works

I have a co-salesperson story you will understand.

I once worked a weekend event where bike shops and other bike businesses got together to ‘celebrate’ the coming season, show off the new stuff, and sell off as much of the old as possible. We had 6 locations, and gathered all the old clothing in one place to dump it at the sale. No dressing rooms. Women missed them, men, not so much. Women would always ask, ‘Will this fit me?’ My sales secret was to ask them, ‘How tall are you? How much do you weigh?’ This told them two things. 1.) I cared enough to make it work for them. 2.) I had a secret formula that would tell me the correct answer to their question. I sold more Lycra shorts than anyone.

I also met Bill Nye the Science Guy in the aisle. I exclaimed, ‘It’s Bill Nye the Science Guy!’ (He was only on Seattle TV at the time.) He said, ‘I am also a cyclist.’ I shall remember his words to me always.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2017 • 10:12:52am

re: #289 BlueGrl21

Had dinner with my parents last night; both are lifelong liberal Democrats in Texas. As a result, they ended up not staying in touch with a lot of people they grew up with.

They’re in their early 70s and going through wanting to reconnect with people they grew up with. This has disillusioned my father, to say the least.

“All they do all day is sit around, watch Fox News, and talk about what real Christians are supposed to believe. I don’t know if it’s because they’re near death or what. They refuse to believe the world has changed and they want something back or to stop it. NOT GONNA HAPPEN. Jesus Christ, I can’t take it.”

“Do you tell them that you’ve got a different way of seeing the world?”

“Yep. Which is why there’s about 3 out of 100 I can stand.”

My dad falls under the heading of grumpy old curmudgeon, but uses his power for good.

My Dad had lunch with his older sisters the other day. They all can’t stand Trump thankfully.

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Belafon  Aug 22, 2017 • 10:13:29am

re: #287 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I personally think that requiring a god to tell you to be moral means you shouldn’t be allowed to drive a car, raise children, or vote. And I think St. Paul would agree.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2017 • 10:14:22am

re: #286 Belafon

I have a Civil War hypothesis to explain the statues: We never officially ended the part of the Civil War due to slavery. The original goal of the war was maintaining the Union of the country. And while Republicans were abolitionists, and Lincoln after the Emancipation Proclamation made the war also about ending slavery, we really ended it on preserving the union. We didn’t go through and systematically destroy all of the things that supported slavery. Reconstruction tried, but, like going to the moon, people got bored with it and moved on. And that allowed a system to be restored that was slavery in everything but name. Jim Crow and the statues were consequences of that. If we had truly ended slavery, we would have completely redone the economy of the south, redivided the land so that it didn’t match the plantations, and introduced more manufacturing.

Shorter: We still have to have the final battle over slavery.

Absolutely and I think this is the tragedy of the GOP. I think Grant was committed to Reconstruction but the controversial election of Hayes really meant to beginning of the end of serious commitment to civil rights for African-Americans in the South in the GOP. which is why using what the parties were in the 1860’s and 1870’s is all the most stupid since both parties screwed over black people in that time for different reasons.

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dangerman  Aug 22, 2017 • 10:15:22am

re: #286 Belafon

I have a Civil War hypothesis to explain the statues: We never officially ended the part of the Civil War due to slavery. The original goal of the war was maintaining the Union of the country. And while Republicans were abolitionists, and Lincoln after the Emancipation Proclamation made the war also about ending slavery, we really ended it on preserving the union. We didn’t go through and systematically destroy all of the things that supported slavery. Reconstruction tried, but, like going to the moon, people got bored with it and moved on. And that allowed a system to be restored that was slavery in everything but name. Jim Crow and the statues were consequences of that. If we had truly ended slavery, we would have completely redone the economy of the south, redivided the land so that it didn’t match the plantations, and introduced more manufacturing.

Shorter: We still have to have the final battle over slavery.

hence the moral necessity for the civil rights movement nearly 100 years after the 14th amendment.

partially because even though the constitution stated that everyone was equal, systematic, institutionalized, localized “mistreatment” was allowed, tolerated, disregarded, perpetuated, etc

those that were enslaved, freed, etc were not “granted” or nor “given” rights. those rights were always there (and are). before the war they were forcefully and with the power and might of “the state”, suppressed. after the war they were still forcefully and with the power and might of “the state”, suppressed by those very same mechanisms.

14A notwithstanding, the federal level mostly disregarded it, and still does

as an aside, the same is true for lgbtq. they are not being “given” or “granted” anything. as a whole, humanity is coming to deal with the fact that they have the same inherent rights and freedoms as everyone else. it’s the structural impediments to enjoying these freedoms that are being laid bare and torn away. the individual are gaining an ability - to exercise their innate freedom.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2017 • 10:15:34am

I hate people who use their piety to put others down. Never ever got that vibe from my Dad’s mom. She had her rosary and her relationship with God but she never dissed her children and grandchildren for having a different poitn of view.

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Birth Control Works  Aug 22, 2017 • 10:16:46am

AS Jimmy Carter said:

“Men don’t give a damn.”

Jimmy Carter: Why I believe the mistreatment of women is the number one human rights abuse

women, minorities, little kittens, it doesn’t matter.

did you read the shameless pages post about Freud?

many women don’t give a shit either.

If it happens beyond the end of their nose, it doesn’t exist.

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JordanRules  Aug 22, 2017 • 10:17:17am

re: #296 dangerman

Very well said!

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dangerman  Aug 22, 2017 • 10:17:40am

re: #289 BlueGrl21

…My dad falls under the heading of grumpy old curmudgeon, but and uses his power for good.

i like him

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sagehen  Aug 22, 2017 • 10:18:47am

re: #286 Belafon

We didn’t go through and systematically destroy all of the things that supported slavery. Reconstruction tried, but, like going to the moon, people got bored with it and moved on. And that allowed a system to be restored that was slavery in everything but name. Jim Crow and the statues were consequences of that. If we had truly ended slavery, we would have completely redone the economy of the south, redivided the land so that it didn’t match the plantations, and introduced more manufacturing.

Shorter: We still have to have the final battle over slavery.

We didn’t even really need to do all that much.

If we’d just stuck to the 14th Amendment’s promise of “equal protection under the law”, Wilmington and Tulsa and Rosewood and a hundred other places wouldn’t have happened the way they did, and black people would have built their own economic equality all by themselves.

They just needed for white people to not aggressively interfere.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2017 • 10:19:05am

re: #300 dangerman

i like him

Need more like him, my Dad, and uncles.

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Birth Control Works  Aug 22, 2017 • 10:19:22am

re: #296 dangerman

those that were enslaved, freed, etc were not “granted” or nor “given” rights. those rights were always there (and are). before the war they were forcefully and with the power and might of “the state”, suppressed. after the war they were still forcefully and with the power and might of “the state”, suppressed by those very same mechanisms.

Yes, and that is the one and only argument for a god, IMHO. Rights do not come from a document or another human being. They are innate to every living thing.

That being rather abstract for most thinkers —a god, who cannot be challenged, is the substitute that works.

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BlueGrl21  Aug 22, 2017 • 10:19:53am

re: #293 HappyWarrior

My Dad had lunch with his older sisters the other day. They all can’t stand Trump thankfully.

That’s why my parents retreated into certain members of our family and a few friends. They’d had Conservative friends, but Reagan was the last straw for them. I don’t remember exactly what it was during that administration that caused them to burn bridges, but they did. Now they’re nostalgic for old friends, reconnecting, and remembering why those bridges got burned.

But they occasionally find someone they went to school with that’s a liberal and they get so excited. “I knew he wasn’t really an idiot!” It’s absolutely hilarious. High school dynamics all over again.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2017 • 10:20:01am

We have to accept that racism has dominated our history. It’s as part of our history as the founding documents. The contradiction between Jefferson/Madison’s words and the reality is part of the history itself.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2017 • 10:20:52am

re: #304 BlueGrl21

That’s why my parents retreated into certain members of our family and a few friends. They’d had Conservative friends, but Reagan was the last straw for them. I don’t remember exactly what it was during that administration that caused them to burn bridges, but they did. Now they’re nostalgic for old friends, reconnecting, and remembering why those bridges got burned.

But they occasionally find someone they went to school with that’s a liberal and they get so excited. “I knew he wasn’t really an idiot!” It’s absolutely hilarious. High school dynamics all over again.

My folks have always been more or less liberal and Democratic but can’t remember them being this outspoken. They didn’t like Bush but Trump, Trump disgusts them.

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makeitstop  Aug 22, 2017 • 10:21:05am

I just walked in the door and put CNN on, and I learn that Trump is using last night’s weak-ass address as absolution for siding with Nazis?

Nope. No. Fuck no. You own that shit, Fatass.

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Birth Control Works  Aug 22, 2017 • 10:21:32am

re: #305 HappyWarrior

We have to accept that racism has dominated our history. It’s as part of our history as the founding documents. The contradiction between Jefferson/Madison’s words and the reality is part of the history itself.

The continuing fight between the federalists and the anti-federalists.

so tiresome.

What is it? Communism/Collectivism will never work because men humans always covet something their neighbor has?

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Birth Control Works  Aug 22, 2017 • 10:25:40am

bbl

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BeachDem  Aug 22, 2017 • 10:28:14am

Two highlights/lowlights and a question about this article at TPM.

Rage Furby will probably not care for this description of his “media empire.”

But these sites, such as anti-censorship crowdfunding platform RootBocks and WeSearchr, the crowdfunding site co-founded by far-right blogger and agitator Chuck Johnson, have little name recognition and limited reach. That creates mini-echo chambers where a self-selecting group on the far-right fringe can trade memes and fund each others’ legal fees.

Pax showing his class once again.

TPM reached out to Pax Dickinson…His response: “Fuck you, Talking Points Memo bullshit artist, I wouldn’t talk to you if you paid me.”

And my question—WTF is Dogecoin?

talkingpointsmemo.com

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dangerman  Aug 22, 2017 • 10:29:24am

re: #297 HappyWarrior

I hate people who use their piety to put others down. Never ever got that vibe from my Dad’s mom. She had her rosary and her relationship with God but she never dissed her children and grandchildren for having a different poitn of view.

religion, as faith, is “belief in” something. without benefit of proof. if you want it, need it, that’s fine. faith can be powerful, useful and provide guidance and comfort.

the minute you try to pass it off or coerce others as a “belief that” ie something is a universal truth, then you have to do the work. do the science, do the math, support your position in a way that anyone else can independently and without help, arrive at the same conclusion. the same way every other generally accepted truth got to be that way.

otherwise it’s just faith. and you are welcome to it without reservation.

i dont have to believe in things without benefit of proof simply because you do.

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JordanRules  Aug 22, 2017 • 10:29:36am

re: #301 sagehen

Naw, the moral component which relates to the private, shared spheres of life that the Gov can’t necessarily influence needed/needs to be dealt with. If we are a nation of immigrants and a couple entire populations to integrate (Native and African Americans) we have to be able to live side by side and that doesn’t happen simply with an enforced federal law component and no more.

Although I definitely get your point about how many of the big tools were already in place and codified - we just need to use them. That’s actually when I think the moral component asserts itself as necessary again.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 22, 2017 • 10:31:25am

re: #310 BeachDem

Two highlights/lowlights and a question about this article at TPM.

Rage Furby will probably not care for this description of his “media empire.”

But these sites, such as anti-censorship crowdfunding platform RootBocks and WeSearchr, the crowdfunding site co-founded by far-right blogger and agitator Chuck Johnson, have little name recognition and limited reach. That creates mini-echo chambers where a self-selecting group on the far-right fringe can trade memes and fund each others’ legal fees.

Pax showing his class once again.

TPM reached out to Pax Dickinson…His response: “Fuck you, Talking Points Memo bullshit artist, I wouldn’t talk to you if you paid me.”

And my question—WTF is Dogecoin?

talkingpointsmemo.com

How can you not know what Dogecoin is?

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Teukka  Aug 22, 2017 • 10:31:39am

Out and about in the countryside of Sweden, in case you’re wondering why I’ve been quiet. Have some boids:

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 22, 2017 • 10:33:05am

re: #287 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Nothing will stop pathetic Little Benjyboy from chasing that sweet Wingnut Welfare money from the Mercers and Kochs!

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sagehen  Aug 22, 2017 • 10:33:07am

re: #287 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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He’s got it ass-backwards; my rabbi would slap his face.

The 10 Commandments (don’t murder or rob your neighbors; don’t lie about each other; take care of the old people; take a day off work every week) is actually a pretty good foundation on which to build a lasting society. For people who’d been living in slavery for ten generations, taking orders because they were orders and there was punishment for disobeying, a good set of guidelines for how to do self-rule was important.

Hierarchal obedience faiths think the 10 commandments are important because God said so; Reform Judaism says God is important because “look at the super-useful advice and wisdom he shared with us right when we most needed it. Imagine how much misery we were spared by not having to figure it out ourselves the hard way. That was very generous of him.”

That’s why we had no “rulers” for several generations, just judges. When we asked for a king, God warned us that was a bad idea and tried to talk us out of it. Sadly, we didn’t listen.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 22, 2017 • 10:34:41am

Hold my beer and watch me drone this Destroyer…….

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 22, 2017 • 10:34:53am

re: #301 sagehen

We didn’t even really need to do all that much.

If we’d just stuck to the 14th Amendment’s promise of “equal protection under the law”, Wilmington and Tulsa and Rosewood and a hundred other places wouldn’t have happened the way they did, and black people would have built their own economic equality all by themselves.

They just needed for white people to not aggressively interfere.

We needed more than equal protection under the law since that covered only governmental actions. Private companies were still able to discriminate. Chicago was not a bastion of legal segregation, but the want ads from the 1950’s asked for applicants based on race, religion, and, of course, gender, the primary classification for all ads. It wasn’t until the 19th Amendment that women were granted the right to vote.

In the South, the loss of franchise still affects minorities who have been released from prison after completing their sentence. We have a long way to go for equal rights, and the distance is becoming increasingly longer with Republicans in power in states and in the federal government.

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dangerman  Aug 22, 2017 • 10:36:01am

re: #299 JordanRules

Very well said!

this came to me in a flash, years ago
that granting people rights is an absurd idea
it changed and simplified my thinking on a lot of things

it becomes simply a question of where you are standing on earth
in some places you may be treated differently than others.
in some places everyone may be equally repressed

its the ‘state’ mechanism and enforcement that determines how and to what extent you can safely express your essential nature

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BeachDem  Aug 22, 2017 • 10:36:21am

re: #313 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

How can you not know what Dogecoin is?

Learn something new every day. I notice that their “stores” link has one listing—BitcoinShop.

How has this worldwide phenomenon of commerce escaped me?!?!!

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JordanRules  Aug 22, 2017 • 10:39:03am
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dangerman  Aug 22, 2017 • 10:39:48am

re: #301 sagehen

They just needed for white people to not aggressively interfere.

- fear of being shown up by those you have been putting down
- fear of actually having to use ones own efforts, being personally responsible for the results, and having no one else to blame
- fear of being “equalized” and no longer superior or special
- fear of….

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 22, 2017 • 10:40:24am

re: #320 BeachDem

Learn something new every day. I notice that their “stores” link has one listing—BitcoinShop.

How has this worldwide phenomenon of commerce escaped me?!?!!

Doge is the cutest cryptocurrency. Last I heard of it, it was for microtransactions, giving tips to commenters on some website. Might have been Reddit, might have been Digg before it became a wasteland.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2017 • 10:40:44am

re: #321 JordanRules

[Embedded content]

That was quick.

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wrenchwench  Aug 22, 2017 • 10:42:40am

re: #320 BeachDem

Learn something new every day. I notice that their “stores” link has one listing—BitcoinShop.

How has this worldwide phenomenon of commerce escaped me?!?!!

I don’t take plastic at my bricks-and-mortar store. I thought, Dogecoin, I could take that! But when I read about downloading ‘wallets’ of various ‘weights’, I click the x at the upper right. I’m barely able to supervise my ‘real leather’ wallet.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 22, 2017 • 10:45:33am

re: #325 wrenchwench

I don’t take plastic at my bricks-and-mortar store. I thought, Dogecoin, I could take that! But when I read about downloading ‘wallets’ of various ‘weights’, I click the x at the upper right. I’m barely able to supervise my ‘real leather’ wallet.

Doge is so niche, that no one at your store would have any. Bitcoin on the other hand, is extremely easy to get, and getting popular. The problem with Bitcoin is that the exchange rate to the USD is extremely variable. It went from 1BTC = $3000 to 1BTC = $4000 in a week, and could fluctuate the other way at any time.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 22, 2017 • 10:45:52am
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dangerman  Aug 22, 2017 • 10:48:33am

re: #303 Birth Control Works

Yes, and that is the one and only argument for a god, IMHO. Rights do not come from a document or another human being. They are innate to every living thing.

That being rather abstract for most thinkers —a god, who cannot be challenged, is the substitute that works.

for many that is true.

i am comfortable that equality and innateness just as easily flow from the natural, social contract of coexistence. there is one race. we are all the same. no one is superior to anyone due to that. ie skin color, land origin, etc. essentially, as far as that goes.

differentiation comes wrt abilities, strengths, capacities, etc.
and only after we recognize and accept that no one is better than anyone.

its power; breaking the social contract, that effs up the natural balance

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 22, 2017 • 10:49:12am
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electrotek  Aug 22, 2017 • 10:49:38am

re: #321 JordanRules

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Why does he have such a low approval rating??

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BeachDem  Aug 22, 2017 • 10:49:54am

re: #325 wrenchwench

I don’t take plastic at my bricks-and-mortar store. I thought, Dogecoin, I could take that! But when I read about downloading ‘wallets’ of various ‘weights’, I click the x at the upper right. I’m barely able to supervise my ‘real leather’ wallet.

I guess some parts of e-commerce are beyond my ken. Not sure if that’s a plus or a minus.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 22, 2017 • 10:50:43am

re: #330 electrotek

Why does he have such a low approval rating??

He’s trying to move France to the right, limiting labor rights.

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Weaselone  Aug 22, 2017 • 10:51:34am

re: #326 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Doge is so niche, that no one at your store would have any. Bitcoin on the other hand, is extremely easy to get, and getting popular. The problem with Bitcoin is that the exchange rate to the USD is extremely variable. It went from 1BTC = $3000 to 1BTC = $4000 in a week, and could fluctuate the other way at any time.

The problem with bitcoin is that it’s a scam designed to enrich the first movers. It’s set up intentionally as a deflationary currency FFS.

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wrenchwench  Aug 22, 2017 • 10:52:33am

re: #326 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Doge is so niche, that no one at your store would have any. Bitcoin on the other hand, is extremely easy to get, and getting popular. The problem with Bitcoin is that the exchange rate to the USD is extremely variable. It went from 1BTC = $3000 to 1BTC = $4000 in a week, and could fluctuate the other way at any time.

Here’s my experience with Bitcoin: in our lovely, small town, we have a guy who hangs out and supports himself through various enterprises that have been legal in all times, and in all places. One of them is ‘street musician’. He sometimes does a Karaoke thing with himself, and varies his playlist. He dresses distinctively Old West, though, to the point that, instead of calling him ‘Johnny Cash’, which would be a high compliment, Mr. w has named him ‘Billy Bitcoin’. Makes me laugh every time. I’m the only one who gets to hear it.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 22, 2017 • 10:52:54am

re: #331 BeachDem

I guess some parts of e-commerce are beyond my ken. Not sure if that’s a plus or a minus.

99% of legal e-commerce is done in national currencies. Cryptocurrencies are mostly used for moving money across borders and buying politically-incorrect drugs. you probably aren’t involved in either activity.

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Interesting Times  Aug 22, 2017 • 10:53:02am

re: #330 electrotek

Why does he have such a low approval rating??

“Everything trump touches, dies.”

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BeachDem  Aug 22, 2017 • 10:54:35am

re: #327 FormerDirtDart

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He was also so intrigued with the Afghan president that he called him the prime minister in his “now he’s pivoted” speech.

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wrenchwench  Aug 22, 2017 • 10:55:53am

re: #331 BeachDem

I guess some parts of e-commerce are beyond my ken. Not sure if that’s a plus or a minus.

I don’t know about you, but I find myself rapidly slipping into ‘grumpy old curmudgeon’ status. ‘Rapidly slipping’ being some kind of curmudgeonly exaggeration.

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 22, 2017 • 10:56:26am

re: #336 Interesting Times

“Everything trump touches, dies.”

That’s why I don’t consider low approval ratings as a sign that a President is doing something wrong. Someone who works hard and tries to do the right thing, such as Jimmy Carter, can be similarly punished because the public isn’t ready or willing to listen to the message.

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electrotek  Aug 22, 2017 • 10:56:41am

re: #336 Interesting Times

“Everything trump touches, dies.”

Poor guy, I had high hopes for Macron.

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jaunte  Aug 22, 2017 • 11:00:39am
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BeachDem  Aug 22, 2017 • 11:01:36am

re: #335 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

99% of legal e-commerce is done in national currencies. Cryptocurrencies are mostly used for moving money across borders and buying politically-incorrect drugs. you probably aren’t involved in either activity.

You are correct—I am not, as far as I know, involved in either activity (I’m not sure what politically incorrect drugs are.) Such a sheltered life I lead!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 22, 2017 • 11:02:41am

re: #340 electrotek

Poor guy, I had high hopes for Macron.

He’s young and it’s early. Let him settle in. I’m not giving up.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 22, 2017 • 11:02:41am

re: #342 BeachDem

You are correct—I am not, as far as I know, involved in either activity (I’m not sure what politically incorrect drugs are.) Such a sheltered life I lead!

Drugs banned for political reasons, rather than based on harm.

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wrenchwench  Aug 22, 2017 • 11:03:07am

re: #328 dangerman

for many that is true.

i am comfortable that equality and innateness just as easily flow from the natural, social contract of coexistence. there is one race. we are all the same. no one is superior to anyone due to that. ie skin color, land origin, etc. essentially, as far as that goes.

differentiation comes wrt abilities, strengths, capacities, etc.
and only after we recognize and accept that no one is better than anyone.

its power; breaking the social contract, that effs up the natural balance

Do you accept followers? You could replace this, in my life.

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jaunte  Aug 22, 2017 • 11:03:16am

Sensing a theme of some sort.

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BeachDem  Aug 22, 2017 • 11:05:32am

re: #338 wrenchwench

I don’t know about you, but I find myself rapidly slipping into ‘grumpy old curmudgeon’ status. ‘Rapidly slipping’ being some kind of curmudgeonly exaggeration.

I’m trying hard to fight it, but I hear ya. Gotta say, every time I hear/read about Trump’s advanced age and how he can’t be expected to understand/do things, I cringe and think—the yam is only a year or so older than I am and I don’t think of myself in those terms.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 22, 2017 • 11:05:38am

re: #346 jaunte

I don’t see that mentioned in the article.

EDIT: Reread and found it. My bad.

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wrenchwench  Aug 22, 2017 • 11:07:20am

re: #346 jaunte

[Trump hotel in Mississippi will have replica Southern plantation w big mansion & meeting hall styled as a cotton gin]

Sensing a theme of some sort.

If this guy gets to run the place as he sees fit, it will succeed beyond the wildest imagination:

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HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2017 • 11:07:38am

So you guys remember that one white supremacist kid. Had a Croatian sounding surname. Anyhow, he goes to college in Reno. My brother lives in the Reno area so he obviously gets local Reno news. A lot of the kid’s classmates were saying his claims he wasn’t racist was bs. Had a good talk with my brother. We’re on the same exact page on this whole white supremacist issue. Can’t say I’m surprised at all given what I know my brother’s character to be.

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BeachDem  Aug 22, 2017 • 11:07:42am

re: #346 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Sensing a theme of some sort.

I’m sure it will be as KKKlassy as all other Trump endeavors.

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makeitstop  Aug 22, 2017 • 11:09:25am

What the fuck is this ‘the president spoke in extremely broad strokes’ bullshit?

CNN is actually acting like Trump’s got some kind of plan for Afghanistan. He does not.

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sagehen  Aug 22, 2017 • 11:09:57am

re: #329 FormerDirtDart

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Is it legal for a president’s official pronouncements to be blocked from the view of constituents he doesn’t like?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 22, 2017 • 11:10:16am

re: #352 makeitstop

What the fuck is this ‘the president spoke in extremely broad strokes’ bullshit?

CNN is actually acting like Trump’s got some kind of plan for Afghanistan. He does not.

The President thinks in extremely broad strokes. He’s not interested in details, or facts.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 22, 2017 • 11:12:16am

re: #353 sagehen

Is it legal for a president’s official pronouncements to be blocked from the view of constituents he doesn’t like?

I believe people are asking the courts to determine that.

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jaunte  Aug 22, 2017 • 11:12:29am

re: #348 Eclectic Cyborg

End of the third paragraph.

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Charmingly Persistent (EmmaAnne)  Aug 22, 2017 • 11:12:56am

Not enough idiot Ben Carson news lately!

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DodgerFan1988  Aug 22, 2017 • 11:16:19am

Vice President Mike Pence from the Confederate state of Indiana, said there should be more Confederate statues, not less.
buzzfeed.com

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dangerman  Aug 22, 2017 • 11:19:03am

re: #345 wrenchwench

Do you accept followers? You could replace this, in my life.

[Embedded content]

do i have to get out the obligatory M. Python “Flying Sheep”?

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wrenchwench  Aug 22, 2017 • 11:19:07am

re: #354 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

The President thinks in extremely broad strokes. He’s not interested in details, or facts.

Was ‘broad strokes’ on the ‘pussy grabbing’ live mic tape?

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wrenchwench  Aug 22, 2017 • 11:20:36am

re: #359 dangerman

do i have to get out the obligatory M. Python “Flying Sheep”?

Oh, please do! I will follow you anywhere for some Monty P!

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dangerman  Aug 22, 2017 • 11:22:14am

re: #352 makeitstop

What the fuck is this ‘the president spoke in extremely broad strokes’ bullshit?

CNN is actually acting like Trump’s got some kind of plan for Afghanistan. He does not.

Plan? There ain’t no plan

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BeachDem  Aug 22, 2017 • 11:22:26am

re: #352 makeitstop

What the fuck is this ‘the president spoke in extremely broad strokes’ bullshit?

CNN is actually acting like Trump’s got some kind of plan for Afghanistan. He does not.

Mark Sumner described it pretty well:

Donald Trump, fresh off the golf course, gave a rare speech to the nation on Monday night to reveal his new plan for Afghanistan. In a half hour teleprompter plod, through text Trump gave every sign of never seeing before, he revealed no troop numbers, no dates, no goals, no … anything. He did say that the troops would be fighting “to win,” because Trump apparently believes that previous administrations told the troops that losing would be peachy. He also spent quite a bit of time saying, without really saying, that he was backing out of all the promises he made previously about pulling troops from the area.

dailykos.com

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dangerman  Aug 22, 2017 • 11:24:10am

re: #361 wrenchwench

Oh, please do! I will follow you anywhere for some Monty P!

Baa!

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Kragar  Aug 22, 2017 • 11:26:10am
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JordanRules  Aug 22, 2017 • 11:27:45am

Why is Pence coming to this damn rally here tonight too?

Double the sulfur stink.

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wrenchwench  Aug 22, 2017 • 11:31:25am

re: #364 dangerman

Baa!

Damn customers, interrupting my well-deserved M.P. interlude. I shall watch again, in its entirety, later. Thank you.

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wrenchwench  Aug 22, 2017 • 11:36:21am

re: #367 wrenchwench

Damn customers, interrupting my well-deserved M.P. interlude. I shall watch again, in its entirety, later. Thank you.

And then, THEN, a woman comes in to ask me the TIME, because something-something apology for her PHONE.

Does anybody really know what TIME it is? Does anybody really care?

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makeitstop  Aug 22, 2017 • 11:37:45am

I mentioned last night that I was going to go guitar shopping today. I got to go to two stores - one was a Canadian franchise called Long & MacQuade, which was so much like Guitar Center that I felt like I was back in the states already.

The second was a mom and pop called Gig Music, where I found a pretty rare Telecaster and an old Hamer USA guitar, either of which I would have happily laid down the money for and walked out the door.

I sort of settled on the Tele and even got the salesman to work with me on the price to offset shipping costs. Then he asked me where he’d be shipping to and I told him New York, at which point he told me that Canada’s CITES law had kicked in back in January.

To comply with CITES, I’d need a permit to bring the guitar into the US. The permit takes between 60 and 90 days to be issued. If I tried to bring the guitar into the US without a permit, I’d risk having the guitar confiscated with no monetary compensation.

Guitars went back on the rack, makeitstop leaves Canada with no guitar. Boo.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 22, 2017 • 11:39:30am

re: #361 wrenchwench

Oh, please do! I will follow you anywhere for some Monty P!

sheep have difficulty perching…

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gocart mozart  Aug 22, 2017 • 11:58:47am
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sagehen  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:00:05pm

re: #371 gocart mozart

[Embedded content]

It’s short-fingered vulgarian.

See what happens when people forget history?

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gocart mozart  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:00:50pm

re: #286 Belafon

Shorter: We still have to have the final battle over slavery.

The Union won the war but the Confederacy won the “Peace” The first time in human history where the losers got to write the history books.

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A Cranky One  Aug 22, 2017 • 4:11:36pm

re: #338 wrenchwench

I don’t know about you, but I find myself rapidly slipping into ‘grumpy old curmudgeon’ status. ‘Rapidly slipping’ being some kind of curmudgeonly exaggeration.

Heh. Some of us have been grumpy old curmudgeons for a while.

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A Cranky One  Aug 22, 2017 • 4:20:34pm

re: #332 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

He’s trying to move France to the right, limiting labor rights.

From what I’ve heard about the labor rights in France, I can understand the desire to place some limits. I was told is that once someone is hired it’s almost impossible to get rid of them. This results in a lot of companies being reluctant to hire for fear of getting employees that they can’t get rid of if they don’t perform.

Worker protections are important and I have no objections to protecting employees from being treated as disposable assets. However, I can’t see how companies benefit from being forced to keep non-productive or problem employees.

There must be some balance between treating employees as totally disposable, unimportant assets and basically giving them jobs for life.


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