Video: Trump Has Made More Than 1,000 False or Misleading Statements Since Taking Office

The dishonesty is off the scale
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This Washington Post video is absolutely horrifying; it’s a truism that all politicians lie, but the malevolent toad squatting in the White House is a pathological narcissistic liar on a scale we’ve never seen before.

In early August, the president crossed a new benchmark — over 1,000 false or misleading claims. According to The Fact Checker’s calculation, he now averages 4.9 claims per day.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 22, 2017 • 11:30:08am

And yet most media still handle him with kid gloves…

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Dr. Matt  Aug 22, 2017 • 11:31:50am

“False or Misleading Statements” is politically correct for lies.

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BeachDem  Aug 22, 2017 • 11:34:31am
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dangerman  Aug 22, 2017 • 11:35:38am

re: #2 Dr. Matt

“False or Misleading Statements” is politically correct for lies.

“this president is a liar”
“this president lies”

see? easy.

you dont even have to employ big words like unrepentant or congenital, or even blatant or shameless

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JordanRules  Aug 22, 2017 • 11:35:41am

Why is Pence coming to this damn rally here tonight too?

Double the sulfur stink.

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Charmingly Persistent (EmmaAnne)  Aug 22, 2017 • 11:36:07am

(from below)

Not enough idiot Ben Carson news lately!

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Stanley Sea  Aug 22, 2017 • 11:36:12am

Sounds like we are partnering with the taliban against Pakistan……

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HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2017 • 11:36:32am

re: #5 JordanRules

Why is Pence coming to this damn rally here tonight too?

Double the sulfur stink.

Better yet, why is this rally happening period. I don’t want to hear Trumpers say “He’s busy” when he has plenty of time to self fellate himself again.

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jaunte  Aug 22, 2017 • 11:38:40am

re: #8 HappyWarrior

As of June 17:

President Trump has roughly 1,100 top-tier positions to fill across his administration.
So far, he’s nominated only 111 of them.
money.cnn.com

Plenty of time to be applauded at rallies.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2017 • 11:39:19am

re: #9 jaunte

As of June 17:

Plenty of time to be applauded at rallies.

Just pathetic.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2017 • 11:39:42am

He does that shit and he has the nerve to complain about Dems obstructing him.

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jaunte  Aug 22, 2017 • 11:40:26am

Speaking of pinocchios

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 22, 2017 • 11:41:59am

re: #5 JordanRules

Why is Pence coming to this damn rally here tonight too?

Double the sulfur stink.

Maybe Trump will resign after pardoning Arpaio.

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sagehen  Aug 22, 2017 • 11:42:00am

re: #2 Dr. Matt

“False or Misleading Statements” is politically correct for lies.

Only half of them are lies.

The other half, he’s just too ignorant to realize they’re false.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 22, 2017 • 11:42:01am

re: #8 HappyWarrior

Better yet, why is this rally happening period. I don’t want to hear Trumpers say “He’s busy” when he has plenty of time to self fellate himself again.

It’s happening because he’s going to pardon Sheriff Joe Arpaio, and shove it in our faces.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 22, 2017 • 11:42:16am

re: #6 EmmaAnne

(from below)

Not enough idiot Ben Carson news lately!

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Is anyone surprised?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2017 • 11:42:57am

re: #15 Charles Johnson

It’s happening because he’s going to pardon Sheriff Joe Arpaio, and shove it in our faces.

Yep. And I’m sure the crowd will go wild.

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Eventual Carrion  Aug 22, 2017 • 11:43:03am

re: #8 HappyWarrior

Better yet, why is this rally happening period. I don’t want to hear Trumpers say “He’s busy” when he has plenty of time to self fellate himself again.

Well, you know Obama was in constant campaign mode and that was bad.

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sagehen  Aug 22, 2017 • 11:43:27am

re: #12 jaunte

Speaking of pinocchios

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Because deficits only matter when there’s a Democrat in the White House.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2017 • 11:43:34am

I’m old enough to remember when the Marc Rich pardon was a big deal for conservatives but somehow not only pardoning Sheriff Joe but making a public spectacle out of it is just fine. Face it conservatives, your whole ideology is a big fat sham.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 22, 2017 • 11:43:49am
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HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2017 • 11:44:09am

re: #21 Charles Johnson

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The media sure as hell is.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 22, 2017 • 11:46:26am

It’s early in the thread but I took too long reading the other one to try and catch up.

I’m back from our trip to see the eclipse. None of my photos match wheatdog’s so I’m not even going to try but seeing totality was one of the most amazing experiences I’ve ever had when it comes to natural beauty and wonder. There is a whole world of difference between a partial and a total eclipse that I didn’t appreciate. The changes in the light in the 30 seconds before. The beauty of the corona which the pictures try to do justice but just can’t quite capture. Watching the light flood back into the world. The twilight sky during it. Taking off the eclipse glasses after the last sliver disappeared for that first glimpse of the corona in the deep twilight blue, with the black center.

I still don’t really have words for it.

The 11 hours in the car yesterday afterwards to get back home was absolutely worth it. (We got incredibly lucky on the traffic and only had 2-3 spots of slowdown, lasting at best a half an hour total.)

Time to mark 2024 on my calendar.

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makeitstop  Aug 22, 2017 • 11:46:28am

From downstairs - makeitstop haz a Canadian guitar sad…

I mentioned last night that I was going to go guitar shopping today. I got to go to two stores - one was a Canadian franchise called Long & MacQuade, which was so much like Guitar Center that I felt like I was back in the states already.

The second was a mom and pop called Gig Music, where I found a pretty rare Telecaster and an old Hamer USA guitar, either of which I would have happily laid down the money for and walked out the door.

I sort of settled on the Tele and even got the salesman to work with me on the price to offset shipping costs. Then he asked me where he’d be shipping to and I told him New York, at which point he told me that Canada’s CITES law had kicked in back in January.

To comply with CITES, I’d need a permit to bring the guitar into the US. The permit takes between 60 and 90 days to be issued. If I tried to bring the guitar into the US without a permit, I’d risk having the guitar confiscated with no monetary compensation.

Guitars went back on the rack, makeitstop leaves Canada with no guitar. Boo.

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KGxvi  Aug 22, 2017 • 11:47:43am

re: #15 Charles Johnson

It’s happening because he’s going to pardon Sheriff Joe Arpaio, and shove it in our faces.

Arpaio claims he hasn’t been invited to the rally. I would think if Trump was going to make a spectacle of his first pardon, he’d want Arpaio there

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Kragar  Aug 22, 2017 • 11:48:52am
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Kragar  Aug 22, 2017 • 11:49:16am

re: #25 KGxvi

You know how those fuckers like

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Sir John Barron  Aug 22, 2017 • 11:53:47am

re: #25 KGxvi

Arpaio claims he hasn’t been invited to the rally. I would think if Trump was going to make a spectacle of his first pardon, he’d want Arpaio there

I don’t much care about him being pardoned, provided he isn’t serving jail time that a pardon would get him out of. Maybe DJT thinks this is some major insult to us.

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petesh  Aug 22, 2017 • 11:57:29am

re: #21 Charles Johnson

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Ah, but he’s not just 8 months into his “Presidency,” he’s 8 months into his re-election campaign.

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makeitstop  Aug 22, 2017 • 11:58:08am

re: #28 Sir John Barron

I don’t much care about him being pardoned, provided he isn’t serving jail time that a pardon would get him out of. Maybe DJT thinks this is some major insult to us.

He’s all about retribution. I’d bet that he personally doesn’t give a crap whether Arpaio goes to jail or not, he just wants to stick it to his ‘enemies.’

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:00:21pm

re: #30 makeitstop

He’s all about retribution. I’d bet that he personally doesn’t give a crap whether Arpaio goes to jail or not, he just wants to stick it to his ‘enemies.’

His enemies being everyone who believes in rule by law.

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darthstar  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:01:10pm

Part of me is hoping his audience is super loving and enthusastic and gets him to shout slogans back at them.
MAGA!
MAGA!
Lock her up!
Lock her up!
Take our country back!
Take our country back!
Blood and soil!
Blood and (Kelly cuts mic)…

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gocart mozart  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:02:53pm
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Kragar  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:03:00pm

re: #32 darthstar

Part of me is hoping his audience is super loving and enthusastic and gets him to shout slogans back at them.
MAGA!
MAGA!
Lock her up!
Lock her up!
Take our country back!
Take our country back!
Blood and soil!
Blood and (Kelly cuts mic)…

I’m praying to the holy meteor.

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jaunte  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:03:35pm
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makeitstop  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:03:47pm

re: #31 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

His enemies being everyone who believes in rule by law.

Or said mean things about him.

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darthstar  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:04:39pm

It’s from December, but I’ll leave the image up because he’s still a piece of shit.

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austin_blue  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:05:32pm

re: #37 darthstar

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He seems nice.

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darthstar  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:07:01pm

re: #37 darthstar

Never mind…this happened back in December.

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Kragar  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:07:47pm

re: #38 austin_blue

He only threatened to kill himself?

Pussy.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:08:13pm

re: #35 jaunte

Maybe DJT is putting Dr. Ben on the ticket and sending Pence back to IN.

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darthstar  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:09:11pm
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jaunte  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:09:20pm

re: #37 darthstar

Aug 7 2017:

“…Former state Rep. Chris Corley will serve five years of probation after pleading guilty to first-degree domestic violence for beating his wife and threatening to kill her in front of their children after she confronted him about infidelity.
…….
“In the General Assembly, Corley was particularly known for defending keeping the Confederate battle flag on the Statehouse grounds when other lawmakers were seeking its removal in the aftermath of the June 2015 Emanuel AME Church shooting. His arrest came about a year after he sent a Christmas card to his Republican colleagues that called their morals into question after the Legislature voted to remove the rebel banner.”
postandcourier.com

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jaunte  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:10:39pm

There seems to be a strong tie between domestic violence and confederate leanings.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:11:26pm

re: #43 jaunte

The Party of Family Values strikes again…

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MsJ  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:11:26pm

re: #37 darthstar

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Stanley Sea  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:11:29pm

re: #24 makeitstop

:-(((((

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darthstar  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:14:06pm

re: #34 Kragar

I’m praying to the holy meteor.

I like the way the words ‘myocardial infarction’ roll off the tongue.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:14:06pm

I was reading the responses to a tweet about the Confederate monuments, and I was amazed by the number of monument defenders who keep using the phrase, “Get over it”. “The statues are there, get over it”, “Slavery happened, get over it”, “Jim Crow ended, get over it.”

All this while defending statues of the losers of the Civil War, put up by the people who later lost the Jim Crow battle, but we have to leave those statues up, because to take them down means we didn’t ‘Get over it’.

These people are making angry, sometimes weepy defenses of these things, insisting that we’re taking something from them - something which they can never really define clearly - and insisting that WE need to ‘Get over it’.

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BeachDem  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:14:39pm

re: #37 darthstar

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It’s from December, but I’ll leave the image up because he’s still a piece of shit.

Got quite the little handslap too—5 years probation for first-degree domestic violence for beating his wife and threatening to kill her in front of their children after she confronted him about infidelity.

postandcourier.com

It’s such a surprise that SC is always in the top 5 states for domestic abuse. Sigh.

(Why I’m now volunteering for the Family Justice Center.)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:16:11pm

re: #40 Kragar

He only threatened to kill himself?

Pussy.

A man comes home early, finds his wife in bed with another man. He pulls out a gun, and points it at his head. His wife mocks him.

“DON’T LAUGH!”, he shouts, “YOU’RE NEXT!!”

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lawhawk  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:16:55pm

re: #4 dangerman

Fewer characters too.

In a Twitter world, character(ization) matter(s).

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Charles Johnson  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:19:26pm
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lawhawk  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:19:36pm

We’ve known Trump doesn’t give a shit about US troops and lives lost; we see that the GOP treats them as disposable heroes. Now we’ve got Tillerson all but admitting we’re sending troops to Afghanistan not to win, but to deny Taliban a win - which means it’s a meat grinder that serves no further purpose since the Taliban don’t have the means to hit the US and that no amount of US troops short of a major deployment above 130,000 would deal with. Sending 3-4,000 troops isn’t going to solve anything - not when 100,000 didn’t.

All it means is Trump’s kicking the can down the road and claiming he’s hit on a new strategy when it’s a continuation of 17 years of policy.

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Kragar  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:21:52pm

re: #53 Charles Johnson

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Belafon  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:21:57pm

re: #53 Charles Johnson

So would monuments recognizing slavery. And at least those would be accurate.

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Belafon  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:22:25pm

re: #55 Kragar

There’s only one Book. And Mike’s still on chapter 1.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:23:08pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:23:32pm

re: #53 Charles Johnson

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Bored kid in back seat spies statue of guy on horse with sword

Kid: “Who’s that guy”

Dad: “Why son, that’s Robert E. Lee, the man who lost the Civil War!”

Kid: “Why is there a statue of him, if he lost? Where’s the statue of the guys who WON the Civil War?”

Dad: “History, son! History!”

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HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:24:56pm

re: #55 Kragar

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He’s right but not for the reasons Doughface thinks so.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:26:11pm

re: #54 lawhawk

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We’ve known Trump doesn’t give a shit about US troops and lives lost; we see that the GOP treats them as disposable heroes. Now we’ve got Tillerson all but admitting we’re sending troops to Afghanistan not to win, but to deny Taliban a win - which means it’s a meat grinder that serves no further purpose since the Taliban don’t have the means to hit the US and that no amount of US troops short of a major deployment above 130,000 would deal with. Sending 3-4,000 troops isn’t going to solve anything - not when 100,000 didn’t.

All it means is Trump’s kicking the can down the road and claiming he’s hit on a new strategy when it’s a continuation of 17 years of policy.

So it’s about using American kids for a cheap dick waving contest with two dicks.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:26:58pm

re: #59 Blind Frog Belly White

Bored kid in back seat spies statue of guy on horse with sword

Kid: “Who’s that guy”

Dad: “Why son, that’s Robert E. Lee, the man who lost the Civil War!”

Kid: “Why is there a statue of him, if he lost? Where’s the statue of the guys who WON the Civil War?”

Dad: “History, son! History!”

Heh seriously if it was just about history, we’d have Union statues everywhere.

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petesh  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:27:48pm

re: #54 lawhawk

That speech last night was the biggest load of horseshoe [gee, thanks autocorrect] I have ever heard. It opened with pure pandering that belied his previous comments about transgender soldiers; completely failed to analyze the region, not least by ignoring Iran and China; utterly ignored any idea of self-determination, save a throwaway line about how one day we might let the Taliban into some role in government; explicitly threatened to steal natural resources; exacerbated tensions between Pakistan and India; made false claims about NATO contributions … and still got reported as moderate.

I’m betting that, just as with the Monday/Tuesday Charlottesville statements, Trump is seething about going against his own instincts and is quite likely to let loose this evening.

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JordanRules  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:27:53pm
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MsJ  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:28:23pm

GAH.

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lawhawk  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:28:30pm

re: #55 Kragar

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Citizen K  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:29:51pm

The entire thread of that new poll is just plain fucking depressing.

The right could say the sky is chartreuse and the moon is made of foot fungus, and a good 60% of the country would believe them outright or consider the thought very seriously.

There doesn’t seem to be any fucking breakthrough moment to be had, even for ‘Independents’. The South really did fucking win the Civil War apparently.

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jaunte  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:30:17pm

re: #65 MsJ

America’s toughest sheriff has given every thing he had in a long and successful career in public service and law enforcement.

There could be a test.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:31:36pm

re: #67 Citizen K

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The entire thread of that new poll is just plain fucking depressing.

The right could say the sky is chartreuse and the moon is made of foot fungus, and a good 60% of the country would believe them outright or consider the thought very seriously.

There doesn’t seem to be any fucking breakthrough moment to be had, even for ‘Independents’. The South really did fucking win the Civil War apparently.

Now you know why Corey Stewart is successful here.

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lawhawk  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:31:54pm

re: #68 jaunte

Put Clarke and Arpaio in the jails of the other; subject them to the treatment that they’ve doled out to minorities (wont be tough, come to think of it), and see who folds first.

My guess? Clarke dies of rough ride and Arpaio is murdered by dehydration.

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Kragar  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:32:08pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:32:27pm

re: #64 JordanRules

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We refuse to confront things because it makes certain people uncomfortable.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:33:07pm

re: #65 MsJ

GAH.

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Gah is right.

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bratwurst  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:34:03pm

Nothing infrastructure week can’t fix!

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Sir John Barron  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:35:39pm

re: #74 bratwurst

Nothing infrastructure week can’t fix!

MAGA MAGA MAGA MA…

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HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:35:49pm

re: #74 bratwurst

Nothing infrastructure week can’t fix!

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Gotta have tax cuts.

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:35:51pm

re: #23 klys (maker of Silmarils)

It’s early in the thread but I took too long reading the other one to try and catch up.

I’m back from our trip to see the eclipse. None of my photos match wheatdog’s so I’m not even going to try but seeing totality was one of the most amazing experiences I’ve ever had when it comes to natural beauty and wonder. There is a whole world of difference between a partial and a total eclipse that I didn’t appreciate. The changes in the light in the 30 seconds before. The beauty of the corona which the pictures try to do justice but just can’t quite capture. Watching the light flood back into the world. The twilight sky during it. Taking off the eclipse glasses after the last sliver disappeared for that first glimpse of the corona in the deep twilight blue, with the black center.

I still don’t really have words for it.

The 11 hours in the car yesterday afterwards to get back home was absolutely worth it. (We got incredibly lucky on the traffic and only had 2-3 spots of slowdown, lasting at best a half an hour total.)

Time to mark 2024 on my calendar.

I wanted to go, damn back. My brother had an amazing time.

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Belafon  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:37:59pm

re: #76 HappyWarrior

Gotta have tax cuts.

And people have a Gawd given right to cars, damn it!

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KGxvi  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:39:01pm

re: #28 Sir John Barron

I don’t much care about him being pardoned, provided he isn’t serving jail time that a pardon would get him out of. Maybe DJT thinks this is some major insult to us.

I care. He was a law enforcement officer who decided to ignore a lawful court order and decided to continue violating the constitution and ignoring civil rights. He took an oath to protect and defend the constitution, he ignored that oath and then flaunted the courts when he was caught.

Beyond that, the sentencing hearing is set for October. Trump issuing a pardon like this, so completely outside the normal and established system for pardons (normally they have to wait five years, and the DOJ reviews applications) is another attack on our institutions and system of government.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:39:32pm

I really hope I see affordable mass transit in this country before I die.

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MsJ  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:40:35pm

re: #68 jaunte

There could be a test.

It is so infuriating. Trump is breaking so many CONSTITUTIONAL things like emoluments and nobody cares. Bankrupts the USSS - nobody cares. Incites racist riots…almost half of the country couldn’t care less.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:41:15pm

re: #74 bratwurst

Nothing infrastructure week can’t fix!

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On that train all graphite and glitter
Undersea by rail
Ninety minutes from New York to Paris
Well, by ‘76 we’ll be A.O.K.

What a beautiful world it will be.
What a glorious time to be free.

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gocart mozart  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:41:27pm
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Bubblehead II  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:43:38pm

re: #23 klys (maker of Silmarils)

It’s early in the thread but I took too long reading the other one to try and catch up.

I’m back from our trip to see the eclipse. None of my photos match wheatdog’s so I’m not even going to try but seeing totality was one of the most amazing experiences I’ve ever had when it comes to natural beauty and wonder. There is a whole world of difference between a partial and a total eclipse that I didn’t appreciate. The changes in the light in the 30 seconds before. The beauty of the corona which the pictures try to do justice but just can’t quite capture. Watching the light flood back into the world. The twilight sky during it. Taking off the eclipse glasses after the last sliver disappeared for that first glimpse of the corona in the deep twilight blue, with the black center.

I still don’t really have words for it.

The 11 hours in the car yesterday afterwards to get back home was absolutely worth it. (We got incredibly lucky on the traffic and only had 2-3 spots of slowdown, lasting at best a half an hour total.)

Time to mark 2024 on my calendar.

The trip up to the Stanley ranger station only took about 3 hrs. The drive back, well lets talk a rolling parking lot thru the Wood River valley of anywhere between 5-15 MPH and over 3 hrs to do 25 miles. But the experience was worth it as well as the few pics I got.

Here’s repost of a couple.

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gocart mozart  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:48:27pm
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KGxvi  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:48:39pm

re: #74 bratwurst

One of the reasons that the New York to Chicago train takes 19 hours is because it has 26 stops (and goes first from New York to Boston). High speed rail has to have fewer stops by design, the Chinese one only has 3-10 stops from what little research I’ve done.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:49:48pm

re: #55 Kragar

Confederate monuments help us remember our history when the right people were in charge and the other people knew their place and did as they were told.

//

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Sir John Barron  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:50:44pm

re: #79 KGxvi

I care. He was a law enforcement officer who decided to ignore a lawful court order and decided to continue violating the constitution and ignoring civil rights. He took an oath to protect and defend the constitution, he ignored that oath and then flaunted the courts when he was caught.

Beyond that, the sentencing hearing is set for October. Trump issuing a pardon like this, so completely outside the normal and established system for pardons (normally they have to wait five years, and the DOJ reviews applications) is another attack on our institutions and system of government.

Yeah but he is a Republican so that makes everything he did OK.

///

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Interesting Times  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:50:47pm

re: #55 Kragar

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bratwurst  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:50:58pm

At least their heart was in the right place.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:51:56pm

re: #86 KGxvi

One of the reasons that the New York to Chicago train takes 19 hours is because it has 26 stops (and goes first from New York to Boston). High speed rail has to have fewer stops by design, the Chinese one only has 3-10 stops from what little research I’ve done.

There’s a whole host of reasons why it takes so long but the biggest one is that Amtrak is not high speed rail and is not designed to be.

For true high speed rail you don’t want at grade crossing, among other things. Also Amtrak would actually want to own its own tracks, which it doesn’t in the majority of the country.

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dangerman  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:53:48pm

re: #79 KGxvi

I care. He was a law enforcement officer who decided to ignore a lawful court order and decided to continue violating the constitution and ignoring civil rights. He took an oath to protect and defend the constitution, he ignored that oath and then flaunted the courts when he was caught.

Beyond that, the sentencing hearing is set for October. Trump issuing a pardon like this, so completely outside the normal and established system for pardons (normally they have to wait five years, and the DOJ reviews applications) is another attack on our institutions and system of government.

arpaio is this century’s example of what we were talking about last thread. those in positions of power, sanctioned by “the state”, suppress the innate rights of (some) people

the state and federal governments do not step in and squash this unequal treatment/behavior

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Kragar  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:56:44pm
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Aug 22, 2017 • 12:59:06pm

re: #93 Kragar

pretty much the truth at this point.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 22, 2017 • 1:00:58pm

re: #92 dangerman

the state and federal governments do not step in and squash this unequal treatment/behavior

In fact they more frequently step in to ENABLE it.

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jaunte  Aug 22, 2017 • 1:02:42pm

“…Arpaio was known to intimidate supposed enemies, including a judge’s spouse, a political rival, a county official, and a reporter. The Justice Department also found that his office “engaged in a pattern or practice of retaliating against individuals for exercising their First Amendment right to free speech,” as deputies tried “to silence individuals who have publicly spoken out and participated in protected demonstrations” against Arpaio.

In one infamous case, people working under Arpaio staged an assassination attempt against him in order to boost his popularity — framing an innocent man in the process. He spent four years in jail waiting to clear his name and eventually received a $1.1 million settlement.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2017 • 1:02:49pm

re: #93 Kragar

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Sad but true.

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dangerman  Aug 22, 2017 • 1:03:32pm

re: #20 HappyWarrior

I’m old enough to remember when the Marc Rich pardon was a big deal for conservatives but somehow not only pardoning Sheriff Joe but making a public spectacle out of it is just fine. Face it conservatives, your whole ideology is a big fat sham.

further on marc rich

his pardon was investigated after clinton left office, by James Comey

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Sir John Barron  Aug 22, 2017 • 1:04:09pm

re: #94 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

pretty much the truth at this point.

Why won’t Obama bring our troops home from that needless way in Afghanistan?

Obama brings home troops from Afghanistan.

Why did Obama cut and run from Afghanistan?

Bring our troops home from stupid wars like Afghanistan! Rebuild America! MAGA!

Trump is so great, better than Obama who hated America! MAGA!

I changed my mind and am sending more troops back to Afghanistan so American can finally win again!

Trump is so great, meets with his generals, not like Obama! We’ll win again in Afghanistan! MAGA!

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Aug 22, 2017 • 1:05:28pm

re: #99 Sir John Barron

again, pretty much the truth and what I see being said among my wingnut friends.

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KGxvi  Aug 22, 2017 • 1:05:28pm

re: #92 dangerman

arpaio is this century’s example of what we were talking about last thread. those in positions of power, sanctioned by “the state”, suppress the innate rights of (some) people

the state and federal governments do not step in and squash this unequal treatment/behavior

While in law school, I would sometimes call myself a “Hamiltonian libertarian” when having deep discussions about politics and the law and matters of constitutionalism. Mostly because even then, I understood that most of the civil rights abuses in our past didn’t come from the federal government but from state and local governments. What happens at the local level always affects you more, even if you don’t pay much attention to it.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2017 • 1:07:43pm

re: #101 KGxvi

While in law school, I would sometimes call myself a “Hamiltonian libertarian” when having deep discussions about politics and the law and matters of constitutionalism. Mostly because even then, I understood that most of the civil rights abuses in our past didn’t come from the federal government but from state and local governments. What happens at the local level always affects you more, even if you don’t pay much attention to it.

Which is what people who insist local knows best ignore.

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Jay C  Aug 22, 2017 • 1:08:25pm

re: #91 klys (maker of Silmarils)

There’s a whole host of reasons why it takes so long but the biggest one is that Amtrak is not high speed rail and is not designed to be.

For true high speed rail you don’t want at grade crossing, among other things. Also Amtrak would actually want to own its own tracks, which it doesn’t in the majority of the country.

Also: I’m guessing that in China, three situations prevail (as they do in, say, France: another country which has developed comprehensive HSR systems) that most definitely do not here in the US:

1. The government owns and operates the railroads
2. Said government is committed to developing (and financing) rail systems
3. “Eminent domain” issues for HSR right-of-way aren’t a problem (i.e. they probably just grab the land)

Also: in a lot of countries, passenger rail transport is considered a necessary component of the national infrastructure: vs. the US, where it’s considered, at best, a backup system only useful in a few densely-developed areas: “Real Americans” drive cars….

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dangerman  Aug 22, 2017 • 1:10:27pm

re: #67 Citizen K

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The entire thread of that new poll is just plain fucking depressing.

The right could say the sky is chartreuse and the moon is made of foot fungus, and a good 60% of the country would believe them outright or consider the thought very seriously..

it is important to understand why polling reflects what it does while we still hang on to the fact that the polling does not represent what actually happened

i dont care what i poll would say -the sky is not chartreuse
(and the moon is green cheese, we all know that)

yes groupthink and propaganda are dangerous

i also know that i dont have to have an epistemological argument about the nature of reality every time a crackpot - or a herd of them - comes along spouting nonsense.

this is not winnable with legitimizing counter-logic and debunking

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HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2017 • 1:10:30pm

re: #98 dangerman

further on marc rich

his pardon was investigated after clinton left office, by James Comey

Yeah that’s right.

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sagehen  Aug 22, 2017 • 1:11:05pm

re: #86 KGxvi

One of the reasons that the New York to Chicago train takes 19 hours is because it has 26 stops (and goes first from New York to Boston). High speed rail has to have fewer stops by design, the Chinese one only has 3-10 stops from what little research I’ve done.

My subway line has both local and express trains, running on parallel tracks. The express train stops every 5 or 6 stations; you get off and transfer to the local if your preferred destination is one of the interim stops.

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dangerman  Aug 22, 2017 • 1:12:03pm

re: #82 Blind Frog Belly White

On that train all graphite and glitter
Undersea by rail
Ninety minutes from New York to Paris
Well, by ‘76 we’ll be A.O.K.

What a beautiful world it will be.
What a glorious time to be free.

spandex jackets!

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Charles Johnson  Aug 22, 2017 • 1:15:08pm

Interesting. Facebook deleted this insane rant about me by Chuck C. Johnson.

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gocart mozart  Aug 22, 2017 • 1:15:08pm
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darthstar  Aug 22, 2017 • 1:15:26pm
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Sir John Barron  Aug 22, 2017 • 1:17:59pm

re: #110 darthstar

Trainwreck. Repeal.

//

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 22, 2017 • 1:19:56pm

re: #91 klys (maker of Silmarils)

There’s a whole host of reasons why it takes so long but the biggest one is that Amtrak is not high speed rail and is not designed to be.

For true high speed rail you don’t want at grade crossing, among other things. Also Amtrak would actually want to own its own tracks, which it doesn’t in the majority of the country.

To expand on that, this is the legacy of the old railroad companies, which used to run both passengers and freight. By the 1960s, they were losing money on passenger rail, so the Feds made Amtrak to take over all the long distance passenger service, but the private railroads kept most of the trackage. Since they’re running freight, they generally won’t invest in the kind of maintenance, let alone upgrades, that would allow any real speed for passenger service.

The Acela, I’m pretty sure, runs on Amtrak’s own track.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 22, 2017 • 1:23:24pm

re: #112 Blind Frog Belly White

To expand on that, this is the legacy of the old railroad companies, which used to run both passengers and freight. By the 1960s, they were losing money on passenger rail, so the Feds made Amtrak to take over all the long distance passenger service, but the private railroads kept most of the trackage. Since they’re running freight, they generally won’t invest in the kind of maintenance, let alone upgrades, that would allow any real speed for passenger service.

The Acela, I’m pretty sure, runs on Amtrak’s own track.

Yes; the northeast corridor is the only place in the country where Amtrak owns the track. It is also the place in the country where the trains are likely to actually be semi-reliably on time.

mr. klys and I are big fans of rail as a form of transport and I like Amtrak’s long distance offerings but we definitely go in with our eyes open when it comes to on time performance. (We’re doing Chicago to Seattle over Thanksgiving this year, and then finishing the Coast Starlight route, because we want to see some of these trains before the Republicans succeed in killing the budget for them.)

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Charles Johnson  Aug 22, 2017 • 1:23:46pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 22, 2017 • 1:25:00pm

re: #114 Charles Johnson

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So it makes perfect sense that Pence says it.

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TedStriker  Aug 22, 2017 • 1:25:19pm

re: #5 JordanRules

Why is Pence coming to this damn rally here tonight too?

Double the sulfur stink.

Whoever the “designated survivor” is tonight, Lord help us…

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electrotek  Aug 22, 2017 • 1:25:51pm

I wish we had Shinkansen-type service in the U.S.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 22, 2017 • 1:26:45pm
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petesh  Aug 22, 2017 • 1:29:43pm

re: #108 Charles Johnson

So … he denies he is a Communist, of which I think no one has accused him. But is he a fascist sympathizer? Well, of course he is, but is he a card-carrying member of the Nazi Party? I’m guessing not, on the assumption that it’s a dues-paying disorganization; but enquiring minds want to know. Whattaprick.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 22, 2017 • 1:30:26pm

Here’s how we learn which lizards have ever used vim:

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Charles Johnson  Aug 22, 2017 • 1:30:51pm

re: #118 Charles Johnson

This is from a hoax email that Breitbart editors fell for. Alex Marlow thinks it’s plausible that Trump drinks red wine filtered through Melania’s used pantihoes [sic]. Or maybe he was just sucking up to who he thought was the boss.

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dangerman  Aug 22, 2017 • 1:30:56pm

re: #114 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content].@VP: “We have to walk away” from “a desire by some to erase parts of our history just in the name of some contemporary political cause”

its not “our history” ya knobhead

its the history of a failed group of secessionists who went to war against the united states, who the US let back in after they lost and surrendered

the reason why it’s happening now, “contemporarily” is because, as we said upthread, those who were in power who perverted and twisted the truth and the law no longer are

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danarchy  Aug 22, 2017 • 1:32:17pm

re: #83 gocart mozart

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Maybe it is just catching up in novel sales, but for a decade or two dystopian future stories in the movies and TV have been all the rage. Oddly the other big trend over the same time period has been super hero movies. Maybe we see ourselves hurtling towards a dystopian future and want some super heroes to save us.

The Handmaid’s Tale series on hulu was ordered in spring of 2016 before Trump had even sewn up the nomination.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 22, 2017 • 1:33:42pm

re: #121 Charles Johnson

This is from a hoax email that Breitbart editors fell for. Alex Marlow thinks it’s plausible that Trump drinks red wine filtered through Melania’s used pantihoes [sic]. Or maybe he was just sucking up to who he thought was the boss.

Just to give you some idea how gullible they were…

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Bubblehead II  Aug 22, 2017 • 1:34:39pm

re: #108 Charles Johnson

Interesting. Facebook deleted this insane rant about me by Chuck C. Johnson.

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Now if they would only delete his account.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 22, 2017 • 1:35:29pm

re: #125 Bubblehead II

Now if they would only delete his account.

They’re aware that he’s a toxic user. That’s a start.

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wrenchwench  Aug 22, 2017 • 1:36:11pm

TFW you don’t know whether it’s an exotic sea creature or a beautiful, tasty confection, so you do the bing translation from Japanese to Latin; no help, so you Google the Latin, and you still don’t know, so you want to taste it.

/Reads through last half of thread, feels not too OT, posts comment.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Aug 22, 2017 • 1:40:44pm

re: #118 Charles Johnson

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Trump doesn’t even drink…

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 22, 2017 • 1:40:50pm
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Bubblehead II  Aug 22, 2017 • 1:40:59pm

re: #114 Charles Johnson

Blazing Saddles… You know, morons.

Yep I know you were expecting this.

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darthstar  Aug 22, 2017 • 1:42:14pm

re: #118 Charles Johnson

I thought Trump didn’t drink.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Aug 22, 2017 • 1:42:42pm

re: #129 FormerDirtDart

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LOL. Joe, welcome to the disappointed by Trump bunch.

**sad trombone sound**

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b.d. (bill d.)  Aug 22, 2017 • 1:43:38pm

re: #129 FormerDirtDart

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My God…..I still can’t believe this

Press Secretary Sarah Sanders

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Aug 22, 2017 • 1:45:20pm

OT: here in the south Texas coastal bend we are anxiously watching Harvey. Latest models have it making landfall very near Corpus Christi (where I am). Lots of unknowns right now but there are predictions of 30+ inches of rain. Luckily that would likely be on the east side of the storm, but would still mean lots for us too.

Fingers and toes crossed that the models are wrong.

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allegro  Aug 22, 2017 • 1:45:47pm

Question for the LGF cat people: where’s the kitten OFF switch?

Thanks.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 22, 2017 • 1:46:42pm

re: #129 FormerDirtDart

Today…..

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 22, 2017 • 1:46:55pm

WTF
Just think what ridiculously outlandish events must be needed to drive the average cost that high

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Aug 22, 2017 • 1:47:10pm

re: #135 allegro

there isn’t one.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 22, 2017 • 1:47:21pm

re: #135 allegro

Question for the LGF cat people: where’s the kitten OFF switch?

Thanks.

It appears on the 2 year birthday.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 22, 2017 • 1:47:38pm

re: #108 Charles Johnson

That SOB deserves to be sued for slander. So help me Flying Spaghetti Monster, I hope Ginger Snapped flips out in front of the Senate Intelligence Committee and he winds up in contempt of Congress!

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Aug 22, 2017 • 1:47:59pm

re: #137 FormerDirtDart

geez. we only paid 3k YAY VEGAS! but ours included the facility, 3 course meal and cake for 25 and limo ride back to the strip.

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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 22, 2017 • 1:48:38pm

re: #53 Charles Johnson

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KGxvi  Aug 22, 2017 • 1:48:45pm

re: #108 Charles Johnson

He’s not a Holocaust denier, just a Holocaust truther, apparently.

And while it’s not an area I practice in, the mental illness thing stinks of defamation per se

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makeitstop  Aug 22, 2017 • 1:52:25pm

re: #139 Stanley Sea

It appears on the 2 year birthday.

Sometimes later.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2017 • 1:53:13pm

re: #142 Unshaken Defiance

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As I’ve said, Pence is as bad if not worse than Trump in many a way.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 22, 2017 • 1:53:15pm

re: #137 FormerDirtDart

WTF
Just think what ridiculously outlandish events must be needed to drive the average cost that high

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Doesn’t need to be outlandish. Add the word “wedding” and add lots of dollar signs.

mr. klys and I did a relatively low key destination-ish wedding for about 60 people seven years ago and it ran roughly $15k. I have no regrets (and neither does he) as we had the day the way we wanted it to be, but I have no desire to do it again either.

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allegro  Aug 22, 2017 • 1:54:07pm

re: #139 Stanley Sea

It appears on the 2 year birthday.

Marking my calendar. Dreaming of it now now in anticipation of a night’s sleep.

Just got back from PetSmart with a scratching post, toys, and laser pointer (thanks, Stanley!). Gonna wear some kitten butts out.

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allegro  Aug 22, 2017 • 1:54:41pm

re: #144 makeitstop

Sometimes later.

Nooooooooooooo!

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Charles Johnson  Aug 22, 2017 • 1:57:36pm
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lawhawk  Aug 22, 2017 • 1:58:02pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2017 • 1:58:32pm

They say he won’t but I don’t believe a damn word they say.

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wrenchwench  Aug 22, 2017 • 1:58:51pm
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Charles Johnson  Aug 22, 2017 • 2:00:05pm
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Mike Lamb  Aug 22, 2017 • 2:00:10pm

re: #129 FormerDirtDart

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Pardon confirmed.

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allegro  Aug 22, 2017 • 2:00:26pm

re: #152 wrenchwench

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Maybe not today. Trump’s rally is tonight. Gotcha suckers!

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Charles Johnson  Aug 22, 2017 • 2:00:32pm
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KGxvi  Aug 22, 2017 • 2:00:40pm

re: #137 FormerDirtDart

WTF
Just think what ridiculously outlandish events must be needed to drive the average cost that high

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Just depends on how many people you invite, the location, and catering. Those honestly tend to be the biggest costs, from what I gather. I’d guess the median wedding cost is probably pretty close to that average cost - for every multi-million dollar wedding, there’s people going to the courthouse, signing the papers and going on with their days.

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Aug 22, 2017 • 2:00:47pm

re: #149 Charles Johnson

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Any bets that Obama birtherism is revived tonight by Arpaio and Trump? After all, these two were the primary driving forces behind that entire movement.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 22, 2017 • 2:00:52pm

re: #150 lawhawk

Yeah. Last Tuesday, Trump was going to talk briefly about infrastructure and then turn the stage over to Gary Cohn, Steve Mnuchin, and Elaine Chao to answer questions about it. We all saw how THAT turned out.

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wrenchwench  Aug 22, 2017 • 2:01:29pm

I have 54 reasons he should not get a pardon.

littlegreenfootballs.com

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makeitstop  Aug 22, 2017 • 2:02:25pm

re: #148 allegro

Nooooooooooooo!

Yeah. :)

(Sometimes.)

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HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2017 • 2:02:50pm

Maybe Arpaio is too full of himself to accept any guilt.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2017 • 2:03:01pm

Other than that. I got nothing.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 22, 2017 • 2:03:14pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2017 • 2:04:05pm

I always hated Arpaio’s “Tough sheriff” moniker because oyu know innocence until proven guilty and commie shit like that. //

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 22, 2017 • 2:04:50pm

re: #153 Charles Johnson

“This weekend, I said that we as a nation must come together and heel heel heal. As part of that heeling heeling healing, I am today announcing the pardon of Joe Arpaio.”

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Stanley Sea  Aug 22, 2017 • 2:04:57pm

re: #147 allegro

Marking my calendar. Dreaming of it now now in anticipation of a night’s sleep.

Just got back from PetSmart with a scratching post, toys, and laser pointer (thanks, Stanley!). Gonna wear some kitten butts out.

You are in for red dot hell!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 22, 2017 • 2:05:16pm

re: #156 Charles Johnson

Some of the responses to the Moon pie tweet are great.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 22, 2017 • 2:05:50pm

re: #143 KGxvi

He’s not a Holocaust denier, just a Holocaust truther, apparently.

And while it’s not an area I practice in, the mental illness thing stinks of defamation per se

The Breivik bullshit, courtesy of Glenn Greenwald.

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Romantic Heretic  Aug 22, 2017 • 2:05:54pm

re: #44 jaunte

Both have to do with treating human beings as property.

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wheat-dogg  Aug 22, 2017 • 2:08:09pm

re: #86 KGxvi

One of the reasons that the New York to Chicago train takes 19 hours is because it has 26 stops (and goes first from New York to Boston). High speed rail has to have fewer stops by design, the Chinese one only has 3-10 stops from what little research I’ve done.

China high speed rail lines are dedicated ROWs, electrified all the way, and isolated from vehicular and pedestrian traffic. China’s plan was the link all 23 provincial capitals and metropolitan areas with high speed rail, including as many other cities as was possible without making the ROWs too twisty to allow for 300 kph operating speeds. Plus, China already had an extensive standard rail system in place, which connects most towns and cities to the provincial capitals.

Contrast that situation to that of the USA’s, and you can see why high speed rail here will take forever to implement. My recent Amtrak trip was supposed to cover 1,075 miles in 13 hours, but a railroad crossing accident involving our train added another 6 hours to that journey. By way of apology, we were offered free water and a “snack pack” when we reached Denver.

But, as inconvenient as that was (and unfortunate for the two victims of the accident), with no car taking Amtrak was only one of three options for me. Take a long bus ride (ugh!), spend a bundle on air tickets (no direct routes) or wait for the one train each day to take me to my destination. I had no particular schedule, so the train was a suitable option.

Trump’s transportation budget proposes to eliminate funding for long distance passenger rail and divert the funds to the Northeast Corridor refitting. IOW, stealing funds from the people who voted for him to benefit the “coastal elites” those voters hate so much.

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wrenchwench  Aug 22, 2017 • 2:08:10pm

re: #147 allegro

Marking my calendar. Dreaming of it now now in anticipation of a night’s sleep.

Just got back from PetSmart with a scratching post, toys, and laser pointer (thanks, Stanley!). Gonna wear some kitten butts out.

The upside of litter mates; sometimes they play with each other and leave you alone. The downside; it’s been over 10 years for mine, and no ‘off button’ has appeared.

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makeitstop  Aug 22, 2017 • 2:08:21pm

Good thread here.

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Romantic Heretic  Aug 22, 2017 • 2:11:19pm

re: #54 lawhawk

A century after feeding millions of young lives into a meat grinder due to lack of imagination we’re doing it all over again.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 22, 2017 • 2:11:39pm

Official Trump Scorecard for tonight:

___ Mentions Confederate Statues

___ Doesn’t mention Heather Heyer

___ Praises Russia/Putin

___ Threatens North Korea

___ “Fake News!”

___ Says something about Bannon

___ Attacks Clinton / “Lock her up!”

___ Mentions EC victory

___ “Both sides”

___ Attacks Mitch Mcconnell

___ Blames Obama for something

___ Mentions CEOs who bailed on him

___ Attacks Mexico

___ Pardons Arpaio

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darthstar  Aug 22, 2017 • 2:11:50pm

re: #149 Charles Johnson

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 22, 2017 • 2:13:57pm

re: #176 darthstar

And you know that’s right out of the pro wrestling/carny playbook: The surest way to convince people something is going to happen is to specifically tease that it isn’t.

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BeachDem  Aug 22, 2017 • 2:14:49pm

JFC—they even have to make excuses for his ratings being lower than Obama’s

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 22, 2017 • 2:17:05pm

re: #178 BeachDem

28 Million viewers…Didn’t Charles say that survey from yesterday suggested there were around 28 million Nazi sympathizers in the U.S. ? 🤔

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Nyet  Aug 22, 2017 • 2:17:08pm
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KGxvi  Aug 22, 2017 • 2:17:17pm

re: #171 wheat-dogg

We really need a three prong rail system in the US, or at least in California. We need some sort of local (city/county level) light rail, an inter-county regular rail (something that connects the neighboring counties), and then a major city high speed rail (San Diego to LA to Fresno to SF).

There are a thousand and three issues with making that happen. Plenty of towns won’t want to build light rail. And those that do will face eminent domain issues. Construction costs will be high because the local and inter-county lines will likely be built in areas that are already well developed. With local light rail, there will inevitably be issues with how it affects local traffic. And that’s just the tip of the iceberg.

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wrenchwench  Aug 22, 2017 • 2:20:25pm

Wonder of wonders.

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darthstar  Aug 22, 2017 • 2:21:09pm

re: #177 Eclectic Cyborg

And you know that’s right out of the pro wrestling/carny playbook: The surest way to convince people something is going to happen is to specifically tease that it isn’t.

Exactly. OMG HE WENT OFF SCRIPT AND GRABBED A STEAL CHAIR! THE REF HAD HIS BACK TURNED! HE’S GOING TO GET AWAY WITH IT!

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Romantic Heretic  Aug 22, 2017 • 2:22:21pm

re: #74 bratwurst

But! But! COMMUNISM!!!11!!

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ObserverArt  Aug 22, 2017 • 2:25:49pm

re: #127 wrenchwench

TFW you don’t know whether it’s an exotic sea creature or a beautiful, tasty confection, so you do the bing translation from Japanese to Latin; no help, so you Google the Latin, and you still don’t know, so you want to taste it.

[Embedded content]

/Reads through last half of thread, feels not too OT, posts comment.

Looks like a creature creation out of a Tim Burton film.

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gocart mozart  Aug 22, 2017 • 2:27:32pm
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BeachDem  Aug 22, 2017 • 2:29:18pm

Weren’t the wingers just bitching about George Clooney for something the other day? (I can’t keep up with their idiocy) This will send them into orbit.

George and Amal Clooney donate $1m to combat US rightwing extremism

The Clooney Foundation for Justice partners with the Southern Poverty Law Center to fight “bigotry and hate” in the wake of the events in Charlottesville

theguardian.com

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 22, 2017 • 2:30:04pm

Concerning DoJ’s attempt access all visitor data from an anti-Trump site

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HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2017 • 2:31:23pm

re: #188 FormerDirtDart

Concerning DoJ’s attempt access all visitor data from an anti-Trump site

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Shockingly no word from @first amendment activists” on this.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 22, 2017 • 2:31:57pm
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dangerman  Aug 22, 2017 • 2:32:04pm

i walked away for a bit
just came back and restarted this page and get smacked in the face with reality

forget the actual 1000 plus things themselves
forget the 180’s, the videos side by side, the tweet for every occasion reversals
forget russia, emoluments, and every other incompetent thing, the p***y grabbing
forget charlottesville
forget even “alternative facts”

and yes, i know: tax cuts, judges, everyone’s own career.

we have come to this:
“Trump Has Made More Than 1000 False or Misleading Statements Since Taking Office”
Trump lies
to us all
daily

admittedly and cravenly

and that mere fact alone is not enough.
for congress, for the press, for the public

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wheat-dogg  Aug 22, 2017 • 2:33:05pm

re: #181 KGxvi

We really need a three prong rail system in the US, or at least in California. We need some sort of local (city/county level) light rail, an inter-county regular rail (something that connects the neighboring counties), and then a major city high speed rail (San Diego to LA to Fresno to SF).

There are a thousand and three issues with making that happen. Plenty of towns won’t want to build light rail. And those that do will face eminent domain issues. Construction costs will be high because the local and inter-county lines will likely be built in areas that are already well developed. With local light rail, there will inevitably be issues with how it affects local traffic. And that’s just the tip of the iceberg.

Denver seems to have worked out a workable system. I love coming here to visit my son because there is rail line connecting the airport to the downtown — Union Station, where the California Zephyr also stops. $9 each way, and the pass is good for regional travel on the other lines for the whole day. The 16th Street Mall shuttle bus is free and runs constantly through the downtown area, linking the light rail to Union Station.

My point is there are cities in the USA which have made rail transport workable. I’ve heard rumors of rail lines connecting Denver to Boulder, but teleskiguy probably knows more about it than I do.

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Nyet  Aug 22, 2017 • 2:34:04pm
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Ubiq  Aug 22, 2017 • 2:36:16pm

Someone needs a bingo card.

re: #175 Eclectic Cyborg

Official Trump Scorecard for tonight:

___ Mentions Confederate Statues

___ Doesn’t mention Heather Heyer

___ Praises Russia/Putin

___ Threatens North Korea

___ “Fake News!”

___ Says something about Bannon

___ Attacks Clinton / “Lock her up!”

___ Mentions EC victory

___ “Both sides”

___ Attacks Mitch Mcconnell

___ Blames Obama for something

___ Mentions CEOs who bailed on him

___ Attacks Mexico

___ Pardons Arpaio

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 22, 2017 • 2:37:24pm

Because it was about “property rights”
The buffoon lacks the basic intelligence to comprehend what the “property” was.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2017 • 2:38:04pm

re: #195 FormerDirtDart

Because it was about “property rights”
The buffoon lacks the basic intelligence to comprehend what the “property” was.

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FFS you’re from Maine.

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makeitstop  Aug 22, 2017 • 2:41:39pm

I keep saying this - the media is asking the wrong question here. They keep harping on whether the American ship’s GPS was hacked, and officials ‘see no evidence.’

What about the ship that rammed the American ship, you fucking numbskulls?

Reports of satellite navigation problems in the Black Sea suggest that Russia may be testing a new system for spoofing GPS, New Scientist has learned. This could be the first hint of a new form of electronic warfare available to everyone from rogue nation states to petty criminals.

On 22 June, the US Maritime Administration filed a seemingly bland incident report. The master of a ship off the Russian port of Novorossiysk had discovered his GPS put him in the wrong spot - more than 32 kilometres inland, at Gelendzhik Airport.

After checking the navigation equipment was working properly, the captain contacted other nearby ships. Their AIS traces - signals from the automatic identification system used to track vessels - placed them all at the same airport. At least 20 ships were affected.

While the incident is not yet confirmed, experts think this is the first documented use of GPS misdirection - a spoofing attack that has long been warned of but never been seen in the wild.

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Semper Fi  Aug 22, 2017 • 2:44:01pm

re: #194 Ubiq

Someone needs a bingo card.

I think you have Herr Trumpski down pretty good. hah

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 22, 2017 • 2:45:28pm

The other point is that he makes statements that are objectively meaningless “I am the least raciest person in the world”.

If the press simply came out and reported “The President said nothing truthful, nothing of of meaning or substance today. so we will move on and discuss issues of substance”, the man would die of conniption fits.

But our media hang on his words and feel compelled to report and dwell on their meaning, be they meaningless or even outright verifiable lies.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 22, 2017 • 2:47:49pm

re: #149 Charles Johnson

Cautions #Trump could go off script @azfamily

Gee, what a surprise.

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gocart mozart  Aug 22, 2017 • 2:48:26pm

Among the segment of the population that’s put off by things like a president refusing to forcefully condemn Nazi rioters, this has raised some uncomfortable questions about Trump’s beliefs. Does he really share any or many of the beliefs with the racists and nationalists and racist-nationalists who made his campaign their cause, or is this a political calculation against criticizing a small but important part of his base? Was his decision to defend statues of famous slave masters a reflection of his perspective on history, or maybe a darkly strategic reading of the national political mood? Did he not know that what he said was historically incoherent and obviously wrong? It’s right to wonder, but we should be past asking these questions about this man at this point. The most significant thing to know about Donald Trump’s politics or process, his beliefs or his calculations, is that he is an asshole; the only salient factor in any decision he makes is that he absolutely does not care about the interests of the parties involved except as they reflect upon him. Start with this, and you already know a lot. Start with this, and you already know that there are no real answers to any of these questions.

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ObserverArt  Aug 22, 2017 • 2:48:27pm

re: #196 HappyWarrior

FFS you’re from Maine.

Of course…and the History of the 20th Maine Regiment…Gettysburg and Little Round Top. They held one of the most important positions.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 22, 2017 • 2:50:24pm

re: #202 ObserverArt

Of course…and the History of the 20th Maine Regiment…Gettysburg and Little Round Top. They held one of the most important positions.

Exactly. Be fucking proud of that for God sake.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 22, 2017 • 2:55:18pm
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Romantic Heretic  Aug 22, 2017 • 2:58:53pm

re: #135 allegro

You have to wait for the batteries to run down. No OFF switch.

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darthstar  Aug 22, 2017 • 3:01:16pm

re: #201 gocart mozart

Good read.

…[snip]…Does Trump care about the cheap-looking statue of Stonewall Jackson that some forgotten Dixiecrat placed in a shithole park somewhere he will never visit? Not really, but he so resents the fact that other people expect him to care that he develops a passionate contrary opinion out of spite. Does he even know about … Let me stop you there. The answer is no.

The answer is always no, and it will always be no because he does not care. Every lie, every evasion, every massive and blithely issued shock to the conscience Trump authors will only ever be about him. He will never be embarrassed by any of these things, because he cannot understand anyone’s response to them except as it relates to him. Slavery? That’s another thing that his very dishonest enemies want to blame him for. Racism? He’s been accused of it, and honestly it’s so ridiculous, so ridiculous. History? He’s in the business of making it, baby. Violence? Not his fault. People protesting? He doesn’t know them.

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gocart mozart  Aug 22, 2017 • 3:01:20pm
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meteor  Aug 22, 2017 • 3:01:21pm

re: #34 Kragar

O hai!

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Aug 22, 2017 • 3:03:25pm

re: #79 KGxvi

I care. He was a law enforcement officer who decided to ignore a lawful court order and decided to continue violating the constitution and ignoring civil rights. He took an oath to protect and defend the constitution, he ignored that oath and then flaunted the courts when he was caught.

Beyond that, the sentencing hearing is set for October. Trump issuing a pardon like this, so completely outside the normal and established system for pardons (normally they have to wait five years, and the DOJ reviews applications) is another attack on our institutions and system of government.

FLOUTED, I say. But I agree. (Wasn’t Weinberger pardoned before his trial?)

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dangerman  Aug 22, 2017 • 3:09:40pm

re: #201 gocart mozart

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yes, he is an asshole

most of us are long since past thinking he will ever get better at being president

or of even trying to understand him
though there is the inevitable new every day disgust and outrage factor

the question still remains, how to get this asshole out of the damned office

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 22, 2017 • 3:11:27pm

re: #108 Charles Johnson

Interesting. Facebook deleted this insane rant about me by Chuck C. Johnson.

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Funny, he admits to being a Holocaust denier in his post claiming not to be.

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jaunte  Aug 22, 2017 • 3:18:02pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 22, 2017 • 3:18:19pm

re: #129 FormerDirtDart

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That doesn’t mean Trump won’t announce he is going to pardon Arpaio.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 22, 2017 • 3:20:08pm

re: #211 Big Beautiful Door

Funny, he admits to being a Holocaust denier in his post claiming not to be.

He’s “just asking questions.”

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 22, 2017 • 3:20:33pm

re: #137 FormerDirtDart

WTF
Just think what ridiculously outlandish events must be needed to drive the average cost that high

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I’m sure the 1% are lavishing millions on their princesses’ weddings.

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William Lewis  Aug 22, 2017 • 3:20:36pm

re: #195 FormerDirtDart

Because it was about “property rights”
The buffoon lacks the basic intelligence to comprehend what the “property” was.

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If only Professor/General/Governor Joshua Chamberlain were here to spank this idiot…

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jaunte  Aug 22, 2017 • 3:23:09pm
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Patricia Kayden  Aug 22, 2017 • 3:23:39pm

re: #43 jaunte

No jail time at all for beating his wife? Wowzers. IOKIYAR taken to ridiculous heights.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 22, 2017 • 3:24:29pm

re: #217 jaunte

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But don’t you dare call them deplorable.

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Targetpractice  Aug 22, 2017 • 3:29:20pm

re: #217 jaunte

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I’ll take “Phrases from 1930s Germany” for $200, Alex.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 22, 2017 • 3:29:43pm

re: #186 gocart mozart

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That sounds more like Trump than Zuckerberg but that’s just me.

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mmmirele  Aug 22, 2017 • 3:31:15pm

Ugh, I’d planned to go down to protest Trump outside, but it’s 107F/42C and won’t be dipping below 100 before 9 pm. I’m thinking this might not be a smart idea for a 57 YO diabetic. Trying to make up my mind in the next few minutes…

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gocart mozart  Aug 22, 2017 • 3:31:54pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 22, 2017 • 3:32:23pm

re: #222 mmmirele

Ugh, I’d planned to go down to protest Trump outside, but it’s 107F/42C and won’t be dipping below 100 before 9 pm. I’m thinking this might not be a smart idea for a 57 YO diabetic. Trying to make up my mind in the next few minutes…

If you do decide to go, please be safe and take plenty of water/snacks/something for shade/etc.

If not, there is no shame in prioritizing your health.

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EPR-radar  Aug 22, 2017 • 3:35:08pm

re: #222 mmmirele

Ugh, I’d planned to go down to protest Trump outside, but it’s 107F/42C and won’t be dipping below 100 before 9 pm. I’m thinking this might not be a smart idea for a 57 YO diabetic. Trying to make up my mind in the next few minutes…

That’s an actively dangerous level of heat. Don’t go, or plan accordingly and have a buddy.

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makeitstop  Aug 22, 2017 • 3:35:34pm

Jesus, that Baffler piece is fucking brutal.

Also 100% accurate.

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EPR-radar  Aug 22, 2017 • 3:36:48pm

re: #201 gocart mozart

This guy really gets tr*mp:

To understand Trump is also to understand his appeal as an aspirational brand to the worst people in the United States. What his intransigent admirers like most about him—the thing they aspire to, in their online cosplay sessions and their desperately thirsty performances for a media they loathe and to which they are so helplessly addicted—is his freedom to be unconcerned with anything but himself. This is not because he is rich or brave or astute; it’s because he is an asshole, and so authentically unconcerned. The howling and unreflective void at his core will keep him lonely and stupid until the moment a sufficient number of his vital organs finally resign in disgrace, but it liberates him to devote every bit of his being to his pursuit of himself. Actual hate and actual love, as other people feel them, are too complicated to fit into this world. In their place, for Trump and for the people who see in him a way of being that they are too busy or burdened or humane to pursue, are the versions that exist in a lower orbit, around the self. Instead of hate, there is simple resentment—abject and valueless and recursively self-pitying; instead of love, there is the blank sucking nullity of vanity and appetite.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 22, 2017 • 3:37:25pm

re: #222 mmmirele

Ugh, I’d planned to go down to protest Trump outside, but it’s 107F/42C and won’t be dipping below 100 before 9 pm. I’m thinking this might not be a smart idea for a 57 YO diabetic. Trying to make up my mind in the next few minutes…

I can’t think of ANYONE of ANY age, or ANY physical condition for whom that would be smart.

I have been in temps as high at 104, and dry, but not Phoenix dry. You don’t so much melt as sublime away, what with sweat evaporating so fast. Leaves you covered in salt deposits.

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Partisan22  Aug 22, 2017 • 3:41:14pm

re: #201 gocart mozart

I totally agree. Drumpf believes in nothing but himself. I don’t understand the brouhaha about his beliefs. It’s what he does that matters. Judge him like everyone by his behavior/actions. Who cares what be believes? It’s not like this makes anything better.

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wrenchwench  Aug 22, 2017 • 3:41:57pm

re: #217 jaunte

[Woman yells at Latino man carrying an American flag: “Can I see your papers? Lemme see your papers, dude!”]

They yell it at the Greeks, at the Iranians, at the Navajos, the Hopis, the Zunis. It gets old. Not as old as the residency of those they yell it to, but too old nonetheless.

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scottslemmons  Aug 22, 2017 • 3:42:35pm

re: #223 gocart mozart

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Ya know, someday, Scott Adams is going to make himself much, much too poisonous for any of the syndicates to handle. And I’m looking forward to that day very much. He can go on tour with Milo and the Furby and David Duke, and they can pat themselves on the back about being brave truthtelling dumbfucks — and then they can go away and be broke forever.

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EPR-radar  Aug 22, 2017 • 3:44:35pm

re: #229 Partisan22

I totally agree. Drumpf believes in nothing but himself. I don’t understand the brouhaha about his beliefs. It’s what he does that matters. Judge him like everyone by his behavior/actions. Who cares what be believes? It’s not like this makes anything better.

“What you do tells me what you believe” is already Kryptonite for Republicans, since it short-circuits so much of their standard bullshit.

Applied to tr*mp, it leads to the inescapable conclusion that tr*mp does not merely see himself as the Center of the Universe — instead he sees himself as the Universe itself. It’s as perfect a case of solipsism in action as anyone has ever seen.

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alloutofcrazyhere  Aug 22, 2017 • 3:45:57pm

re: #228 Blind Frog Belly White

If you are healthy or not elderly, then it’s not as bad as you think. Just stay hydrated. If you find yourself thirsty, then it’s too late, you are already dehydrated.

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wrenchwench  Aug 22, 2017 • 3:47:24pm

re: #233 alloutofcrazyhere

If you are healthy or not elderly, then it’s not as bad as you think. Just stay hydrated. If you find yourself thirty, then it’s too late, you are already dehydrated.

According to my research, one is good until about half past 50.

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 22, 2017 • 3:47:39pm

re: #128 b.d. (bill d.)

Trump doesn’t even drink…

Allegedly.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 22, 2017 • 3:48:57pm

re: #233 alloutofcrazyhere

If you are healthy or not elderly, then it’s not as bad as you think. Just stay hydrated. If you find yourself thirty, then it’s too late, you are already dehydrated.

Then in my case, it’s been too late for 29 years….

(Sorry. I just LOVE a good typo!!)

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alloutofcrazyhere  Aug 22, 2017 • 3:49:26pm

re: #234 wrenchwench

Haha. Let me correct that.

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mmmirele  Aug 22, 2017 • 3:49:45pm

There may be some verdicts in the Bunkerville/Bundy retrial. Reports on Twitter seem to indicate that Judge Gloria Navarro gave the jury an Allen charge, also called a “dynamite charge” which is used to break hung juries. It’s not sounding good. People who pay more attention to these things than I do believe there might be two people on the jury sympathetic to the Bundy gang.

And no, not going to downtown Phoenix. I’ve protested before, it’s been hot, but when I got hot, I’d crawl into my car and crank up the A/C. I wouldn’t be able to do that. Staying home and hoping things don’t get crazy.

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wrenchwench  Aug 22, 2017 • 3:50:25pm

re: #234 wrenchwench

According to my research, one is good until about half past 50.

re: #236 Blind Frog Belly White

Then in my case, it’s been too late for 29 years….

(Sorry. I just LOVE a good typo!!)

re: #237 alloutofcrazyhere

Haha. Let me correct that.

NOOOOO!

/OK

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Belafon  Aug 22, 2017 • 3:50:46pm

re: #149 Charles Johnson

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Does it count if he says it but doesn’t put it in writing?

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EPR-radar  Aug 22, 2017 • 3:51:48pm

re: #238 mmmirele

There may be some verdicts in the Bunkerville/Bundy retrial. Reports on Twitter seem to indicate that Judge Gloria Navarro gave the jury an Allen charge, also called a “dynamite charge” which is used to break hung juries. It’s not sounding good. People who pay more attention to these things than I do believe there might be two people on the jury sympathetic to the Bundy gang.

And no, not going to downtown Phoenix. I’ve protested before, it’s been hot, but when I got hot, I’d crawl into my car and crank up the A/C. I wouldn’t be able to do that. Staying home and hoping things don’t get crazy.

It would be most unfortunate if it ends up being impossible to convict Bundy-type domestic terrorists because of agenda jurors.

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 22, 2017 • 3:51:53pm

re: #175 Eclectic Cyborg

- Attacks Flake Jeff Flake

- Attacks fake soldier John McCain

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alloutofcrazyhere  Aug 22, 2017 • 3:52:51pm

Looks like I had a “covfefe” moment.

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EPR-radar  Aug 22, 2017 • 3:53:42pm

re: #243 alloutofcrazyhere

Looks like I had a “covfefe” moment.

Hardly. thirsty -> thirty is a perfectly normal typo.

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wrenchwench  Aug 22, 2017 • 3:56:35pm

re: #243 alloutofcrazyhere

Looks like I had a “covfefe” moment.

I think I am the only person who pronounces that in such a way as to rhyme with Santa Fe [fe].

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 22, 2017 • 3:57:01pm
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Stanley Sea  Aug 22, 2017 • 3:57:58pm
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wheat-dogg  Aug 22, 2017 • 3:59:00pm

re: #227 EPR-radar

This guy really gets tr*mp:

Trump is damaged goods, pure and simple. His only loyalty is to himself, and then maybe his kids. Wives, probably not.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 22, 2017 • 3:59:06pm

re: #237 alloutofcrazyhere

Haha. Let me correct that.

You gotta admit, though, it goes well with ‘healthy and not too elderly’.

My biggest problem in heat is exercising in it. We ‘gravity enhanced’ types, with our larger cores and smaller surface-to-volume ratios have difficulty dissipating heat when the air temp is too high. I have not had problems with dehydration, but I have had occasional episodes of overheating, which I’ve found clear up quickly if I dump water on my head, neck and upper back.

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wrenchwench  Aug 22, 2017 • 3:59:14pm

re: #242 Ace Rothstein

- Attacks Flake Jeff Flake

- Attacks fake soldier John McCain

Just don’t let anyone call Jeff Flake a ‘snowflake’. Arizona has one. It is named for the Flake family and the Snow family.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 22, 2017 • 3:59:56pm

re: #231 scottslemmons

Ya know, someday, Scott Adams is going to make himself much, much too poisonous for any of the syndicates to handle. And I’m looking forward to that day very much. He can go on tour with Milo and the Furby and David Duke, and they can pat themselves on the back about being brave truthtelling dumbfucks — and then they can go away and be broke forever.

I have not seen much of it reflected in his strip, he started to go all MRA at one point but then backed off.

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wrenchwench  Aug 22, 2017 • 4:01:12pm

re: #249 Blind Frog Belly White

You gotta admit, though, it goes well with ‘healthy and not too elderly’.

My biggest problem in heat is exercising in it. We ‘gravity enhanced’ types, with our larger cores and smaller surface-to-volume ratios have difficulty dissipating heat when the air temp is too high. I have not had problems with dehydration, but I have had occasional episodes of overheating, which I’ve found clear up quickly if I dump water on my head, neck and upper back.

We in the bike shop biz have special things to sell to those who come in wearing salt-encrusted Lycra

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 22, 2017 • 4:05:57pm

The only exercise I like to do in intense heat is swimming.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 22, 2017 • 4:07:12pm

re: #252 wrenchwench

We in the bike shop biz have special things to sell to those who come in wearing salt-encrusted Lycra

Unless it’s a bigass finned aluminum heatsink, it probably won’t help.

One time it hit me, I was about 2 miles from home, and the heat was just unrelenting. I stopped to cool off, but it just made it worse. A nice young woman stopped and asked if I wanted some water. I said, “Yes, but not to drink. Let me pour it on my head!”

She thought I was nuts, because EVERYBODY thinks dehydration. But really it’s not that. It’s just hard for someone my size to dump heat. A splash of water makes a HUGE difference.

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MsJ  Aug 22, 2017 • 4:07:43pm
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KGxvi  Aug 22, 2017 • 4:07:45pm

re: #209 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

FLOUTED, I say. But I agree. (Wasn’t Weinberger pardoned before his trial?)

I think my brain was moving too fast. And the pardon power is basically unlimited, it’s how/why Ford pardoned Nixon before charges were even brought. But again, there are procedures we have put in place to ensure the system isn’t abused, and Trump ignoring it for cheap political points is… it’s just… bad.

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KGxvi  Aug 22, 2017 • 4:09:10pm

re: #253 Eclectic Cyborg

The only exercise I like to do in intense heat is swimming.

Swimming is the only cardio I can really tolerate. Otherwise it’s weight lifting of various sorts.

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BeachDem  Aug 22, 2017 • 4:09:26pm

On the local front, not everyone was enjoying the eclipse yesterday. Some asshole (if the guy they’re looking for is the right guy) who got out of prison on July 31 and robbed a bank in NC August 11, robbed a bank in Conway, SC and killed two tellers before stealing one of their cars and taking off. Just makes me sick to my stomach.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 22, 2017 • 4:11:27pm
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KGxvi  Aug 22, 2017 • 4:12:11pm

re: #259 The Vicious Babushka

When Newt fucking Gingrich is telling you to be less confrontational, you’ve lost the damn plot.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 22, 2017 • 4:12:36pm

re: #257 KGxvi

Swimming is the only cardio I can really tolerate. Otherwise it’s weight lifting of various sorts.

What cardio I can stand turns out to revolve around how fast the scenery changes.
- Cycling, particularly road cycling, is perfect.
- Running, a bit too slow.
- Walking, too slow.
- Swimming? Does the scenery even change?

This is why I love a 3 hour road bike ride but after 10 minutes on the rollers I lose focus and I’m about ready to quit.

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 22, 2017 • 4:13:58pm

re: #259 The Vicious Babushka

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What part of “rally” doesn’t Nute get?

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wrenchwench  Aug 22, 2017 • 4:14:15pm

re: #254 Blind Frog Belly White

Unless it’s a bigass finned aluminum heatsink, it probably won’t help.

One time it hit me, I was about 2 miles from home, and the heat was just unrelenting. I stopped to cool off, but it just made it worse. A nice young woman stopped and asked if I wanted some water. I said, “Yes, but not to drink. Let me pour it on my head!”

She thought I was nuts, because EVERYBODY thinks dehydration. But really it’s not that. It’s just hard for someone my size to dump heat. A splash of water makes a HUGE difference.

It’s all about the lost electrolytes.

Except when you’re just too damned hot.

Worst headache I ever had was on a long ride on a hot day in the middle of Kansas. The UPS driver we had crossed paths with several times that day got out of his browns and into his blues and loaded a cooler with apples and beer. We had run out of water (the only time ever!) and I drank a beer way too fast and didn’t recover until the next day.

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alloutofcrazyhere  Aug 22, 2017 • 4:14:21pm

re: #249 Blind Frog Belly White

Definitely the perfect storm of derp with that typo. Haha.

I find that the best time to exercise out here is at about 5:00 am. Even at midnight it is still too hot outside with all of the heat being released from the streets.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 22, 2017 • 4:14:23pm

re: #260 KGxvi

When Newt fucking Gingrich is telling you to be less confrontational, you’ve lost the damn plot.

Note also that Newt has gone from “He’s doing everything right” to “He’s doing okay, but it would help for him to change this” to “He needs to change this” to “I hope he can change this.”

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 22, 2017 • 4:14:53pm

re: #257 KGxvi

Swimming is the only cardio I can really tolerate. Otherwise it’s weight lifting of various sorts.

I was looking at maybe having to try swimming as a form of cross training but my foot didn’t hurt on today’s trial run so guess who’s back in business?

(Easing back in with only 5ks this week and icing and ibuprofen still to keep things under control.)

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 22, 2017 • 4:15:16pm

STUPIDEST. TRUMP-SUPPORTING. WINGNUT. EVER.

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MsJ  Aug 22, 2017 • 4:15:30pm

re: #255 MsJ

Oh please, oh please.

“The quickest way for him to get impeached is for Trump to knock off Jeff Flake and Dean Heller and be faced with a Democrat-led Senate,” said Billy Piper, a lobbyist and former McConnell chief of staff.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 22, 2017 • 4:15:53pm

re: #263 wrenchwench

It’s all about the lost electrolytes.

Except when you’re just too damned hot.

Worst headache I ever had was on a long ride on a hot day in the middle of Kansas. The UPS driver we had crossed paths with several times that day got out of his browns and into his blues and loaded a cooler with apples and beer. We had run out of water (the only time ever!) and I drank a beer way too fast and didn’t recover until the next day.

That’s why I always make sure my bottles are full of what plants crave.

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MsJ  Aug 22, 2017 • 4:16:49pm

re: #267 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST. TRUMP-SUPPORTING. WINGNUT. EVER.

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From the cutting off your nose to spite your face wing of the republican party.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 22, 2017 • 4:18:12pm

re: #268 MsJ

Oh please, oh please.

Trump: Hold my beer….

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Timothy Watson  Aug 22, 2017 • 4:19:11pm

re: #263 wrenchwench

It’s all about the lost electrolytes.

Except when you’re just too damned hot.

Worst headache I ever had was on a long ride on a hot day in the middle of Kansas. The UPS driver we had crossed paths with several times that day got out of his browns and into his blues and loaded a cooler with apples and beer. We had run out of water (the only time ever!) and I drank a beer way too fast and didn’t recover until the next day.

Motorcycle safety course in the Virginia August heat last year. God, I thought I was about to die both days and I was only 28.

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KGxvi  Aug 22, 2017 • 4:19:43pm

re: #261 Blind Frog Belly White

What cardio I can stand turns out to revolve around how fast the scenery changes.
- Cycling, particularly road cycling, is perfect.
- Running, a bit too slow.
- Walking, too slow.
- Swimming? Does the scenery even change?

This is why I love a 3 hour road bike ride but after 10 minutes on the rollers I lose focus and I’m about ready to quit.

The scenery changes in open water swims. Though if it’s an ocean with waves, I’d suggest not starting there. Biking can work depending on the weather, and in particular the wind, but living by the beach makes it difficult sometimes because so many people are just out cruising.

re: #266 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I was looking at maybe having to try swimming as a form of cross training but my foot didn’t hurt on today’s trial run so guess who’s back in business?

(Easing back in with only 5ks this week and icing and ibuprofen still to keep things under control.)

I’ve never been a runner. But I took to swimming fairly well when I got into water polo. There was a stretch in high school where our Friday work out was a run/swim where we’d swim 1000 yards, run probably 2-3 miles, and then swim another 1000 yards. I’d be one of the first two or three out of the water, then pretty much everyone would pass me on the run. But I’d end up passing half of them once we were back in the water.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 22, 2017 • 4:19:58pm

Dude, you can’t even buy wine at gas stations in NJ. (Or at least you couldn’t when I was growing up.)

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BeachDem  Aug 22, 2017 • 4:23:32pm

re: #267 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST. TRUMP-SUPPORTING. WINGNUT. EVER.

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I don’t know—the ones interviewed in this article who are going to tonight’s hatefest could give her a run for her money.

huffingtonpost.com

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 22, 2017 • 4:28:46pm

re: #274 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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Dude, you can’t even buy wine at gas stations in NJ. (Or at least you couldn’t when I was growing up.)

When I was growing up in PA, you could only buy wine or liquor in State Stores, which operated like pharmacies - you went up to the counter and told the guy what you wanted, from the State Store catalog. He’d go in the back and fetch it. Nowadays, you STILL (IIRC) have to buy at the State Stores, but they’re set up like a nice liquor store.

Beer was even weirder:

You could buy up to two six packs at a bar, but no more. Some bars set up essentially ‘beer stores’ adjacent to the actual bar.

You could buy by the case from a Beer Distributor, but no LESS.

If you wanted THREE six packs, you had to buy it in two separate transactions.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 22, 2017 • 4:34:16pm

re: #259 The Vicious Babushka

Ron Howard voice: “He won’t.”

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Danack  Aug 22, 2017 • 4:56:25pm

re: #231 scottslemmons

Ya know, someday, Scott Adams is going to make himself much, much too poisonous for any of the syndicates to handle..

He probably doesn’t care much.

He’s allegedly worth about $75 million from sales of his cartoon and books over the past 30 years or so. Although continuing to make cartoons is nice little earner, the amount of fun you can have with $85 million dollars vs $75 million is really not that different.

Being able to troll to his slightly deranged hearts content probably gives him much more benefit than churning out another book would.

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Bubblehead II  Aug 22, 2017 • 5:46:09pm

Needed to go some dirt side stuff. Miss anything?


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