Joe Biden Speaks Out: “We Have an American President Who Has Emboldened White Supremacists”

We are living through a battle for the soul of this nation
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Joe Biden’s been keeping a pretty low profile since the election of Donald Trump, but today that reticence is over.

A week after Charlottesville, in Boston, we saw the truth of America: Those with the courage to oppose hate far outnumber those who promote it.

Then a week after Boston, we saw the truth of this president: He won’t stop. His contempt for the U.S. Constitution and willingness to divide this nation knows no bounds. Now he’s pardoned a law-enforcement official who terrorized the Latino community, violated its constitutional rights, defied a federal court order to stop, and ran a prison system so rife with torture and abuse he himself called it a “concentration camp.”

You, me, and the citizens of this country carry a special burden in 2017. We have to do what our president has not. We have to uphold America’s values. We have to do what he will not. We have to defend our Constitution. We have to remember our kids are watching. We have to show the world America is still a beacon of light.

Joined together, we are more than 300 million strong. Joined together, we will win this battle for our soul. Because if there’s one thing I know about the American people, it’s this: When it has mattered most, they have never let this nation down.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 27, 2017 • 11:08:03am

good people on both sides

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JordanRules  Aug 27, 2017 • 11:11:09am

Thank you Joe!

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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2017 • 11:16:25am

Glad he’s speaking out.

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nines09  Aug 27, 2017 • 11:16:58am
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ObserverArt  Aug 27, 2017 • 11:17:10am

I bet Trump doesn’t even mention Joe and his comments.

He knows Biden is way stronger than him. If he does anything it will be indirect and gutless. The Trump way.

He’s a chicken shit when it comes to dealing directly with strong people. He calls his goons and lawyers.

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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 27, 2017 • 11:18:28am

Time to call it like it is. An unprecedented threat by way of racism calls for the unprecedented step of past Presidents stepping up and demanding better. Call out un American activities like backing white supremacy. Pardoning a convicted sheriff.

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ObserverArt  Aug 27, 2017 • 11:24:12am

re: #6 Unshaken Defiance

Time to call it like it is. An unprecedented threat by way of racism calls for the unprecedented step of past Presidents stepping up and demanding better. Call out un American activities like backing white supremacy. Pardoning a convicted sheriff.

Presidents Obama, Bush, Clinton and HW if you can… Please step up right now. Condemn this administration. Say it tweet it whatever you like.

I said something similar the other day. They need to knock Trump down. I know they don’t like to comment on current office holders. But is Trump worthy of that? He is not really acting Presidential so why should he be treated like one?

Everyone needs to be real. We have a real problem.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 27, 2017 • 11:25:22am

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allegro  Aug 27, 2017 • 11:31:59am

re: #8 The Vicious Babushka

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gocart mozart  Aug 27, 2017 • 11:32:39am
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PhillyPretzel  Aug 27, 2017 • 11:34:09am

re: #8 The Vicious Babushka

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 27, 2017 • 11:35:31am
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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2017 • 11:35:32am

re: #10 gocart mozart

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Heh I was thinking that Stephen reminds me of Clarke too.

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ObserverArt  Aug 27, 2017 • 11:38:05am

re: #9 allegro

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It has been some time since I was in Houston, but I do not remember it having a lot of elevation changes.

And like all big cities, sometimes the layout and engineering for roads, etc. turn the city into a series of new rivers as there is just nowhere for the water to go with retaining walls, sound barriers, mounds, parking lots, etc.

Who plans for 50” of water in a few days? Might have to start.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 27, 2017 • 11:45:29am

re: #14 ObserverArt

It has been some time since I was in Houston, but I do not remember it having a lot of elevation changes.

And like all big cities, sometimes the layout and engineering for roads, etc. turn the city into a series of new rivers as there is just nowhere for the water to go with retaining walls, sound barriers, mounds, parking lots, etc.

Who plans for 50” of water in a few days? Might have to start.

And when rivers are channelized and dredged for navigation, they often carry more water downstream than the would otherwise. And when they flow faster, what would have otherwise been a series of lower crests from tributaries flowing into the main channel start to merge together into one large crest…

That happens on the Rhine nearly every year: Darmstadt has a sinking water table because the meanders and swamp lands that used to surround it have been drained…nobody thought back then about where all that water might wind up, namely downstream in Bonn and Cologne…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 27, 2017 • 11:46:40am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 27, 2017 • 11:48:34am
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Woods Witch  Aug 27, 2017 • 11:50:37am

re: #17 Backwoods_Sleuth

Not weird at all. The man doesn’t have an empathetic bone in his body.

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gocart mozart  Aug 27, 2017 • 11:53:09am
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FormerDirtDart  Aug 27, 2017 • 11:53:30am
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Stanley Sea  Aug 27, 2017 • 11:54:07am
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Stanley Sea  Aug 27, 2017 • 11:55:33am

re: #17 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He’s a sociopath.

I want to see a truthful read out of his interactions with FEMA etc.

I’m sure Pence is running the show & he’s blathering.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 27, 2017 • 11:56:49am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 27, 2017 • 11:57:25am

re: #19 gocart mozart

You’re thinking of
“I got a worm
it’s a very nice worm
I’d give it to you if I could,
but I borrowed it.”

Was helping a friend clear out her shed. Saw a belt sander and asked if I might borrow it, She said she could not loan it to me, it belonged to her friend Bernhard.

So it was Bernie’s sander.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 27, 2017 • 11:57:26am

re: #22 Stanley Sea

He’s a sociopath.

I want to see a truthful read out of his interactions with FEMA etc.

I’m sure Pence is running the show & he’s blathering.

If you look at the official @POTUS twitter account it’s almost all RT’s of Pence making official announcements.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 27, 2017 • 11:57:39am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 27, 2017 • 11:58:32am

re: #20 FormerDirtDart

the tactic here is to conflate being anti-fascist with being an antifa supporter…

any normal, patriotic American ought to be anti-fascist.

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Woods Witch  Aug 27, 2017 • 12:01:45pm

re: #27 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

the tactic here is to conflate being anti-fascist with being an antifa supporter…

any normal, patriotic American ought to be anti-fascist.

Amen to that. Call the “antifa” what they really are: anarchists

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BlueGrl21  Aug 27, 2017 • 12:02:15pm

re: #18 Woods Witch

Not weird at all. The man doesn’t have an empathetic bone in his body.

It’s been very disturbing. All of the exclamation points and “everything is going great!”

It’s not “great.” The 4th largest city in the U.S. is becoming Atlantis. It’s a Democrat mayor holding the city together, not Trump. He has nothing to do with anything happening here.

This city is liberal. If he comes here after the storm he will be met with nothing but protests. We don’t want him here.

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wrenchwench  Aug 27, 2017 • 12:02:58pm

re: #19 gocart mozart

[You’re thinking of
“I got a worm
it’s a very nice worm
I’d give it to you if I could,
but I borrowed it.”]

There should be a special downding for putting a worm where a bike goes.

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Woods Witch  Aug 27, 2017 • 12:04:30pm

re: #29 BlueGrl21

Agreed. Nothing “great” about any of this.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 27, 2017 • 12:07:04pm

Downtown Houston. And it ain’t over yet. The main river that goes through downtown will be overflowing by another 12’ at least tonight into tomorrow.

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jaunte  Aug 27, 2017 • 12:11:08pm

re: #4 nines09

That’s my commute route.

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 27, 2017 • 12:14:31pm

re: #17 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It’s all a set up to take credit and try to contrast with Obama somehow.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 27, 2017 • 12:15:41pm
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Charles Johnson  Aug 27, 2017 • 12:15:53pm

Can anyone make any sense out of what this guy is saying? “Fancy words?” WTF?

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Skip Intro  Aug 27, 2017 • 12:17:37pm

re: #30 wrenchwench

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BeachDem  Aug 27, 2017 • 12:18:33pm

re: #22 Stanley Sea

He’s a sociopath.

I want to see a truthful read out of his interactions with FEMA etc.

I’m sure Pence is running the show & he’s blathering.

Definitely Pence—you can tell by the readouts that distinguish between volunteers and faith-based organizations.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 27, 2017 • 12:18:43pm
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gocart mozart  Aug 27, 2017 • 12:18:44pm

re: #36 Charles Johnson

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sagehen  Aug 27, 2017 • 12:19:15pm

re: #27 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

the tactic here is to conflate being anti-fascist with being an antifa supporter…

any normal, patriotic American ought to be anti-fascist.

At Battle of the Bulge, there was lots of violence on both sides. On many sides.

The anti-fascists were the good guys.

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gocart mozart  Aug 27, 2017 • 12:19:43pm
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Ace-o-aces  Aug 27, 2017 • 12:20:27pm

spartareport.com

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gocart mozart  Aug 27, 2017 • 12:20:51pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 27, 2017 • 12:22:00pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 27, 2017 • 12:22:56pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 27, 2017 • 12:23:16pm

This is not a photoshop.

galvnews.com

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wrenchwench  Aug 27, 2017 • 12:24:00pm

re: #37 Skip Intro

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That’s great. I’m working on one of those. Or would be, were I not typing at the moment. A 1978 Schwinn with Positron shifting. I feel like it’s a cross between Data’s brain and an oxcart.

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ericblair  Aug 27, 2017 • 12:24:10pm

re: #35 FormerDirtDart

Amazingly, maybe inadvertently, Trump’s FEMA appointee appears to be an able, experienced crisis administrator:

My guess is nobody in the White House really gave a shit about the post so it went to someone sensible by default.

From reading the ProPublica story, the severity of the damage has been baked in the cake by decades of underinvestment in mitigation measures. FEMA has got what they’ve got right now. But after the water is gone, we’re probably going to have a worse internal displacement (er, refugee) problem than Katrina, and then the politics starts again.

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jaunte  Aug 27, 2017 • 12:25:28pm

re: #47 GlutenFreeJesus

I just checked in with a co-worker who lives closer to Buffalo Bayou; that’s the level of water in his downstairs.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 27, 2017 • 12:25:48pm

re: #12 FormerDirtDart

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My cousin and his family who live in a suburb of Houston are stuck. I’m praying for them. I do wish that they had evacuated before the hurricane started but I guess they underestimated its strength. Huge sigh.

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 27, 2017 • 12:26:47pm

re: #51 Patricia Kayden

They are in my prayers. I hope they get through safely.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 27, 2017 • 12:28:13pm

re: #45 The Vicious Babushka

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Just watched the whole thing & I’m crying.

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electrotek  Aug 27, 2017 • 12:28:24pm

re: #49 ericblair

My guess is nobody in the White House really gave a shit about the post so it went to someone sensible by default.

From reading the ProPublica story, the severity of the damage has been baked in the cake by decades of underinvestment in mitigation measures. FEMA has got what they’ve got right now. But after the water is gone, we’re probably going to have a worse internal displacement (er, refugee) problem than Katrina, and then the politics starts again.

Anyone recall the major anti-evacuee sentiment that erupted post-Katrina?

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sauceruney  Aug 27, 2017 • 12:28:47pm

We still have the issue of those who refuse to accept partial blame for this boldness, because they wanted they wanted to have their Bernie cake and eat it too.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 27, 2017 • 12:28:54pm

re: #47 GlutenFreeJesus

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This is not a photoshop.

galvnews.com

I enlarged the photo and that is a beige blanket underneath that poor woman’s bottom as she is kneeling in the wheelchair, not her bare buttocks.

Being stuck in a wheelchair now myself I am horrified by this picture.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 27, 2017 • 12:29:05pm

re: #29 BlueGrl21

How are you holding up?

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 27, 2017 • 12:32:30pm

re: #36 Charles Johnson

Can anyone make any sense out of what this guy is saying? “Fancy words?” WTF?

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Just an idiot. Too many around nowadays.

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Ace-o-aces  Aug 27, 2017 • 12:33:41pm
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jaunte  Aug 27, 2017 • 12:34:03pm

Camera scans across a pedestrian bridge over Buffalo Bayou, then Waugh Drive crossing the bayou at Allen Parkway, the AIG building. This is the water expected to rise another 12’.

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calochortus  Aug 27, 2017 • 12:34:26pm

re: #54 electrotek

Anyone recall the major anti-evacuee sentiment that erupted post-Katrina?

Yeah, I was thinking they should send evacuees from Houston to New Orleans…

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ObserverArt  Aug 27, 2017 • 12:35:09pm

re: #51 Patricia Kayden

My cousin and his family who live in a suburb of a Houston are stuck. I’m praying for them. I do wish that they had evacuated before the hurricane started but I guess they underestimated its strength. Huge sigh.

Probably a lot of people underestimated it. Seems to be a thing these days…underestimating dangers that is.

On Friday we had some reports of people saying they were staying put because it was the media out to scare people and make Trump look bad. Fake news was even heard.

So, who knows what those people are saying now. Probably Gore, Clinton and Obama’s fault.

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calochortus  Aug 27, 2017 • 12:36:48pm

re: #62 ObserverArt

Probably a lot of people underestimated it. Seems to be a thing these days…underestimating dangers that is.

On Friday we had some reports of people saying they were staying put because it was the media out to scare people and make Trump look bad. Fake news was even heard.

So, who knows what those people are saying now. Probably Gore, Clinton and Obama’s fault.

Plus, a lot of people have ridden out storms before, and don’t really have anywhere to go. You’d be hard pressed to evacuate the fourth largest city in the country in a couple days.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 27, 2017 • 12:37:42pm

re: #47 GlutenFreeJesus

They were evacuated

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ObserverArt  Aug 27, 2017 • 12:40:49pm

re: #63 calochortus

Plus, a lot of people have ridden out storms before, and don’t really have anywhere to go. You’d be hard pressed to evacuate the fourth largest city in the country in a couple days.

I should have been more clear. A lot of the talk on Friday was from around the entire area hit by this storm. A lot of the coastal folks. Houston at that point did think it wasn’t going to be too bad, so yeah, a lot of people in Houston are caught out.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 27, 2017 • 12:42:21pm

I’m sure people would rather have the Cavalry coming to save them than the Calvary where people were crucified. But does Fox News even know the difference?

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Jay C  Aug 27, 2017 • 12:42:22pm

And from the “no hard feelings…” file

NYC sending 120 emergency workers to Texas

A team whose “battle honors” include:

Katrina 2005
Haiti 2010
Mathew 2016

I mean, seriously fuck those Republican assholes who couldn’t help but play their cheapjack politics with Sandy relief: at least NY is quick to do the right thing, and put itself on the line to help when needed: no matter where.

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jaunte  Aug 27, 2017 • 12:42:37pm
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calochortus  Aug 27, 2017 • 12:44:01pm

re: #65 ObserverArt

Fair enough.

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Nyet  Aug 27, 2017 • 12:46:02pm

re: #20 FormerDirtDart

Police should unmask these masked thugs.

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jaunte  Aug 27, 2017 • 12:46:19pm

Looking east towards downtown. That’s Allen Parkway underwater on the right, the bayou directly below. AIG building off in the distance.

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Ace-o-aces  Aug 27, 2017 • 12:46:52pm
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Nyet  Aug 27, 2017 • 12:48:12pm

Heh.

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Aug 27, 2017 • 12:50:56pm

re: #63 calochortus

Having just narrowly escaped a direct hit from Harvey (I live in Corpus) I’ve been thinking a lot about evacuating and the costs associated. I grew up poor and we would not have been able to evacuate in the event of a disaster. We wouldn’t have been able to afford plywood to board up and protect our home, wouldn’t have had money for a hotel, etc. It cost us several hundred dollars to secure our house on Thurs/Fri. When people ask, “Why didn’t all those people leave?” I totally understand why they didn’t. For many, they couldn’t, simple as that.

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calochortus  Aug 27, 2017 • 12:52:12pm

re: #74 Flying Squirrel Girl

Having just narrowly escaped a direct hit from Harvey (I live in Corpus) I’ve been thinking a lot about evacuating and the costs associated. I grew up poor and we would not have been able to evacuate in the event of a disaster. We wouldn’t have been able to afford plywood to board up and protect our home, wouldn’t have had money for a hotel, etc. It cost us several hundred dollars to secure our house on Thurs/Fri. When people ask, “Why didn’t all those people leave?” I totally understand why they didn’t. For many, they couldn’t, simple as that.

That too.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 27, 2017 • 12:53:19pm

re: #70 Nyet

Police should unmask these masked thugs.

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BlueSpotinAL  Aug 27, 2017 • 12:53:29pm

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calochortus  Aug 27, 2017 • 12:54:50pm

re: #73 Nyet

They showed a protester with a bandana over her face on the local news a couple nights ago. While they were starting the on camera interview she rearranged the bandana, completely showing her face in front of the camera and then put it back in position for the remaining portion of the interview.
Not the best and the brightest, or she’s just enjoying a little cosplay fun.

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Belafon  Aug 27, 2017 • 12:55:35pm

If I were organizing these marches, I would find a way to make sure people with masks were prevented from being in my group.

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dangerman  Aug 27, 2017 • 12:55:36pm

re: #45 The Vicious Babushka

A reporter in Houston spotted a truck driver stuck in the flood. She was able to flag down police who saved his life live on TV. Holy crap.

looked like the wipers on the truck were still going

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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2017 • 12:55:56pm

re: #36 Charles Johnson

Can anyone make any sense out of what this guy is saying? “Fancy words?” WTF?

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WTF Biden is like the least elitist politician out there and his words were pretty much we’re better then this.

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Nyet  Aug 27, 2017 • 12:56:13pm

re: #76 FormerDirtDart

When you look like ISIS, you should think twice.

‘Are we the Baddies?’ Mitchell and Webb Funny Nazi Scetch

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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2017 • 12:57:59pm

re: #82 Nyet

When you look like ISIS, you should think twice.

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Love that sketch and they do.

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JordanRules  Aug 27, 2017 • 12:58:24pm
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Stanley Sea  Aug 27, 2017 • 12:58:32pm
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jaunte  Aug 27, 2017 • 12:59:42pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2017 • 1:00:29pm

re: #84 JordanRules

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jaunte  Aug 27, 2017 • 1:00:32pm
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Nyet  Aug 27, 2017 • 1:01:14pm
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mmmirele  Aug 27, 2017 • 1:01:49pm

Trump is going to fuck over the people who voted for him in Texas. It’s up to the rest of the country to save them from their folly.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 27, 2017 • 1:03:26pm

Looks like the yam is heading to San Antonio on tues.

gah

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calochortus  Aug 27, 2017 • 1:04:42pm

I’ve noticed recently (last summer and moreso this summer) that the NWS is not doing a great job predicting our “hot spells.” They are not predicted more than a couple days ahead and both the high temperatures and the duration are not terrible accurate and need to be revised. Some of this could be due to a lack of funding for satellites and researchers, but the European models don’t seem to be able to predict all that well either.

I’d say things are changing if the old models aren’t accurate. But I don’t suppose climate change deniers think there’s a problem.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 27, 2017 • 1:05:07pm

Good people

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calochortus  Aug 27, 2017 • 1:06:01pm

re: #91 Stanley Sea

Looks like the yam is heading to San Antonio on tues.

gah

Well, he’s damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t, so I won’t spend a lot of time worrying about it. Of course, I live no where near San Antonio, so I can afford not to care.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 27, 2017 • 1:07:07pm

re: #91 Stanley Sea

Looks like the yam is heading to San Antonio on tues.

gah

My nephew is there and while they have a ton of rain, it’s nowhere near as bad as Houston. Even Austin is worse. Trump’s handlers are sending him to a “safe place” to show him how “great” everything is going.

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mmmirele  Aug 27, 2017 • 1:07:29pm

re: #91 Stanley Sea

Looks like the yam is heading to San Antonio on tues.

gah

Just like we didn’t want him in Phoenix, so too, the people of San Antonio…

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Stanley Sea  Aug 27, 2017 • 1:07:40pm

re: #95 GlutenFreeJesus

My nephew is there and while they have a ton of rain, it’s nowhere near as bad as Houston. Even Austin is worse. Trump’s handlers are sending him to a “safe place” to show him how “great” everything is going.

Keeping him out of the way.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 27, 2017 • 1:09:51pm

THIS SHMUCK

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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2017 • 1:11:12pm

re: #98 The Vicious Babushka

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It’s typical of Cruz and right wing hypocrisy. They’re for “Small and limited government” except for when they need government the most. I’m fine with helping out the Texans but please Texans vote this asshole out, he doesn’t care if other parts of the country get impacted by floods and hurricanes.

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jaunte  Aug 27, 2017 • 1:11:47pm

…”in 2009 the dams were dubbed to be in “extremely high risk of catastrophic failure.”

“…While the dams initially taking on the water, the Corps made it clear that if Barker or Addicks rose to a certain level they would release the water rather than risk losing either dam entirely.”

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jaunte  Aug 27, 2017 • 1:13:36pm

Barker and Addicks Dam/reservoirs are designed to control the amount of water coming down the bayou into central Houston. If they have to release, that’s in addition to the anticipated 12’ increase overnight.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 27, 2017 • 1:16:35pm

re: #73 Nyet

Heh.

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Her training officer didn’t think this through.

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allegro  Aug 27, 2017 • 1:17:05pm

re: #63 calochortus

Plus, a lot of people have ridden out storms before, and don’t really have anywhere to go. You’d be hard pressed to evacuate the fourth largest city in the country in a couple days.

And where do we go? A friend took off to stay with her daughter near San Antonio. Guess where Harvey is headed now? Thousands of folks left Houston when Rita hit and ended up driving right into it, not away, when it turned at the last minute. It is also a fact that when people freak and leave who don’t have to it prevents people from getting out who DO have to evacuate.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 27, 2017 • 1:19:02pm
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jaunte  Aug 27, 2017 • 1:20:06pm
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FormerDirtDart  Aug 27, 2017 • 1:20:55pm

The shooter in Charlottesville
“fine people”

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 27, 2017 • 1:21:53pm
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Nyet  Aug 27, 2017 • 1:22:39pm

re: #106 FormerDirtDart

Fake wizard! A true one would have cast a fireball.//

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Decatur Deb  Aug 27, 2017 • 1:23:53pm

re: #108 Nyet

Fake wizard! A true one would have cast a fireball.//

Fake Confederate. A real one would be under Gettysburg.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 27, 2017 • 1:24:30pm

I don’t think anyone will be letting this cute fella into their jeep, like yesterday’s hound

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 27, 2017 • 1:28:21pm

So desperate for a photo op

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Bass Reeves  Aug 27, 2017 • 1:29:45pm

re: #107 FormerDirtDart

Yeah, dumb thugs bringing masks, and goggles, and helmets. Not like police aren’t going to attack them with all the stuff they haven’t been using on the white supremacist protesters.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 27, 2017 • 1:30:17pm

Damn idiots

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Stanley Sea  Aug 27, 2017 • 1:30:54pm
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FormerDirtDart  Aug 27, 2017 • 1:32:06pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 27, 2017 • 1:33:39pm

re: #91 Stanley Sea

Looks like the yam is heading to San Antonio on tues.

gah

somebody must have told him about the HEB effort and he’ll try to take credit for it.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 27, 2017 • 1:33:41pm

I’m looking for the good stories. This one is great.

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jaunte  Aug 27, 2017 • 1:34:19pm

re: #103 allegro

And where do we go? A friend took off to stay with her daughter near San Antonio. Guess where Harvey is headed now? Thousands of folks left Houston when Rita hit and ended up driving right into it, not away, when it turned at the last minute. It is also a fact that when people freak and leave who don’t have to it prevents people from getting out who DO have to evacuate.

It’s not a small place.

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nines09  Aug 27, 2017 • 1:34:31pm

re: #74 Flying Squirrel Girl

One of the stupidest things ever asked of me was, “If it was so bad there, why didn’t they just move?”

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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2017 • 1:34:33pm

re: #117 Stanley Sea

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I’m looking for the good stories. This one is great.

Good dog.

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Cheechako  Aug 27, 2017 • 1:34:55pm

re: #54 electrotek

Anyone recall the major anti-evacuee sentiment that erupted post-Katrina?

It was not that way in San Antonio. The City, from the Mayor, public service organizations, and the local non-profits on down, did an outstanding job in assisting the evacuees.
As I understand, many of the evacuees elected to stay in San Antonio due to that warm welcome.

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calochortus  Aug 27, 2017 • 1:36:19pm

BBL

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 27, 2017 • 1:36:44pm

Stay away from Texas, orange shit stain. We do not want you here.

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 27, 2017 • 1:37:29pm

re: #118 jaunte

It’s not a small place.

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Houston is easily bigger than Rhode Island.

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bratwurst  Aug 27, 2017 • 1:40:51pm
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Stanley Sea  Aug 27, 2017 • 1:41:23pm
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jaunte  Aug 27, 2017 • 1:42:23pm
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Aug 27, 2017 • 1:42:41pm

re: #54 electrotek

Anyone recall the major anti-evacuee sentiment that erupted post-Katrina?

Anti-evacuee is a proud American tradition. Another well documented hate of American refugees was the dust bowl. Think on how those Okies were treated as they move on to California. Specifically targeted as undesirables.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 27, 2017 • 1:43:26pm

Thoughts to all our Texas Lizards. Once the immediate threat has receded, I hope y’all will let us know if there’s any way we can help mitigate some of the impacts to you guys, whether it is through donations or signal boosting for businesses or whatever.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 27, 2017 • 1:44:02pm
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BlueGrl21  Aug 27, 2017 • 1:45:53pm

re: #57 Patricia Kayden

How are you holding up?

We have a large leak in our roof, which is nothing. We are dry and safe. Roofs and Sheetrock are fixable.

We’d gotten a break in the rain but it has started up hard again. Now they’re starting to evacuate some hospitals. Ben Taub, which is our most critical trauma hospital, has to evacuate soon. Moving those Trauma One patients is going to be hellishly difficult. But, have to get them out.

The worst is far from over but we got enough of a reprieve to get a lot of people safe and get some shelters and rescue stations with boats set up. Now, we deal.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 27, 2017 • 1:46:45pm
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FormerDirtDart  Aug 27, 2017 • 1:47:41pm
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jaunte  Aug 27, 2017 • 1:48:00pm
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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Aug 27, 2017 • 1:48:55pm

re: #112 Bass Reeves

Yeah, dumb thugs bringing masks, and goggles, and helmets. Not like police aren’t going to attack them with all the stuff they haven’t been using on the white supremacist protesters.

At last count, there were. only about 20 far-righters. 1000’s of demonstrators, a few 100’s of antifa (at most). Antifa now jumping barriers.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 27, 2017 • 1:49:04pm
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Ace Rothstein  Aug 27, 2017 • 1:49:17pm

re: #133 FormerDirtDart

JFC, that’s thirty feet of water.

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BlueGrl21  Aug 27, 2017 • 1:49:22pm

re: #61 calochortus

Yeah, I was thinking they should send evacuees from Houston to New Orleans…

Not funny.

The media hyped that. The vast bulk of us embraced them 100%. My husband coached players who evacuated from New Orleans for years.

The Katrina evacuees who settled here permanently are a welcome and vital part of our city. They added another layer to the most diverse city in the United States. Everyone is welcome here.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Aug 27, 2017 • 1:49:47pm

re: #92 calochortus

.I’d say things are changing if the old models aren’t accurate. But I don’t suppose climate change deniers think there’s a problem.

Climate change deniers would say “look, inaccurate models proves that the ‘science’ is all fake” …

They are idiots.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 27, 2017 • 1:51:25pm
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Ace Rothstein  Aug 27, 2017 • 1:52:04pm

re: #139 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Climate change deniers would say “look, inaccurate models proves that the ‘science’ is all fake” …

They are idiots.

There’s no such thing as an “inaccurate model.” A model is simply a range of outcomes.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 27, 2017 • 1:52:21pm

I am sitting here in my wheelchair watching all this horror in Houston unfold and I’m thinking:

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 27, 2017 • 1:52:29pm

Nice list of local Houston/coastal TX charities here in the thread:

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Teukka  Aug 27, 2017 • 1:54:27pm

re: #142 The Vicious Babushka

I am sitting here in my wheelchair watching all this horror in Houston unfold and I’m thinking:

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Decatur Deb  Aug 27, 2017 • 1:54:37pm

re: #138 BlueGrl21

Not funny.

The media hyped that. The vast bulk of us embraced them 100%. My husband coached players who evacuated from New Orleans for years.

The Katrina evacuees who settled here permanently are a welcome and vital part of our city. They added another layer to the most diverse city in the United States. Everyone is welcome here.

Our town took a lot of NO displaced families. Most went back but some stayed. We got a decent restaurant and a bunch of new Catholics out of it.

(Oprah’s Angel outfit kicked in a cool million to our Habitat, and we turned it into 35 houses. Highlight of the community build was Eva Longoria doing landscaping in heels.)

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 27, 2017 • 1:55:09pm
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JordanRules  Aug 27, 2017 • 1:55:39pm
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dangerman  Aug 27, 2017 • 1:55:46pm

re: #74 Flying Squirrel Girl

Having just narrowly escaped a direct hit from Harvey (I live in Corpus) I’ve been thinking a lot about evacuating and the costs associated. I grew up poor and we would not have been able to evacuate in the event of a disaster. We wouldn’t have been able to afford plywood to board up and protect our home, wouldn’t have had money for a hotel, etc. It cost us several hundred dollars to secure our house on Thurs/Fri. When people ask, “Why didn’t all those people leave?” I totally understand why they didn’t. For many, they couldn’t, simple as that.

“hurricane privilege”
///1/2

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Decatur Deb  Aug 27, 2017 • 1:56:43pm

re: #146 FormerDirtDart

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Maybe they’ll build some OSB walls.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2017 • 1:56:43pm

re: #146 FormerDirtDart

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Gracias amigos.

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JordanRules  Aug 27, 2017 • 1:58:33pm

re: #146 FormerDirtDart

To freak out the RWNJs they should have added: we’re pretty familiar with the place, used to be ours

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 27, 2017 • 1:59:02pm

re: #146 FormerDirtDart

Mexico’s Foreign Ministry has offered to provide “all the help that can be provided” in response to Harvey

because they understand that no border wall can stop a hurricane

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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:00:03pm

re: #151 JordanRules

To freak out the RWNJs they should have added: we’re pretty familiar with the place, used to be ours

Nah. Just the idea of the Mexican government helping Texas out will infuriate them enough.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:00:31pm

re: #152 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

because they understand that no border wall can stop a hurricane

Not just that. Their government isn’t run by a hateful freak with zero compassion.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:00:41pm

One possible silver lining is there’s going to be a huge fuck no to funding the stupid wall.

All funds go to the TX cities.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:02:01pm

re: #155 Stanley Sea

One possible silver lining is there’s going to be a huge fuck no to funding the stupid wall.

All funds go to the TX cities.

Where do you think we’ll find the roofers and light construction force?

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nines09  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:02:51pm

re: #156 Decatur Deb

Where do you think we’ll find the roofers and light construction force?

CANADA!

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:03:23pm
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:04:21pm

re: #141 Ace Rothstein

There’s no such thing as an “inaccurate model.” A model is simply a range of outcomes.

I know this. You know this. But the big selling point of anti-science climate change denial is that predictive models aren’t perfect.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:05:05pm

re: #158 The Vicious Babushka

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Another dumbass.

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dangerman  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:05:43pm

re: #141 Ace Rothstein

There’s no such thing as an “inaccurate model.” A model is simply a range of outcomes.

“how come your budget is never accurate”….

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:06:07pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:06:17pm

re: #142 The Vicious Babushka

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:07:01pm

re: #147 JordanRules

This is not a good thing

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BlueGrl21  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:07:21pm

Nope

My cat has had enough.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:07:45pm

re: #158 The Vicious Babushka

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Stupid as the people who wanted to “punish” states that went for Obama that were impacted by Sandy.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:07:47pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:09:10pm

More Lizards in the potential line of fire:

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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:09:59pm

re: #168 klys (maker of Silmarils)

More Lizards in the potential line of fire:

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Damn.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:10:50pm
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JordanRules  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:11:38pm

I’m really not prepared for what this may look like in a few more days. I’m having a hard time imagining it.

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:12:11pm

re: #170 Dave In Austin

When Americans need help their neighbors will pitch in and help.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:14:45pm

re: #170 Dave In Austin

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Our volunteer regular person navy are going to be the heroes of this storm.

And I know this is not over.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:15:03pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:15:15pm

re: #173 Stanley Sea

Our volunteer regular person navy are going to be the heroes of this storm.

And I know this is not over.

Indeed risking themselves for others. Something that a certain dickhead knows nothing about.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:15:24pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:16:48pm

re: #176 Charles Johnson

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I don’t get it either. Biden has the kind of patriotism I want to see more of in our country. An inclusive kind.

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BeachDem  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:17:06pm

re: #168 klys (maker of Silmarils)

More Lizards in the potential line of fire:

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I’ll keep you posted…looks like we should get it around 11 pm Monday.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:17:25pm

re: #178 BeachDem

I’ll keep you posted…looks like we should get it around 11 pm Monday.

Stay safe.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:17:59pm
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BlueGrl21  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:18:17pm

re: #173 Stanley Sea

Our volunteer regular person navy are going to be the heroes of this storm.

And I know this is not over.

They are absolutely heroes. They have saved thousands of lives. That is not an exaggeration. The fact the loss of life has been so small is amazing.

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nines09  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:18:58pm

re: #171 JordanRules

We will not know until the waters recede just how bad it is. I’ve seen big rivers in flood stage. All that water moving is an incredible force. Entire buildings will have structural damage, and the debris will have to be moved somewhere. There will be high water marks on things for years. Sewage. Chemicals. Oils and fuels. And more…

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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:19:07pm

re: #180 FormerDirtDart

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The far left are again proving why they’re as exasperating as the far right.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:19:29pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:20:09pm

re: #181 BlueGrl21

They are absolutely heroes. They have saved thousands of lives. That is not an exaggeration. The fact the loss of life has been so small is amazing.

It’s great to see a community puil together like that. Really I think puts the fallacy of rugged individualism and every man for himself aside. We’re better off as a species when we work together.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:20:31pm

re: #184 Charles Johnson

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Modern Day Nero.

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jaunte  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:20:35pm
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BeachDem  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:22:01pm

re: #184 Charles Johnson

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But, but—

Hurricane Brings a Display of a President Anything but Disengaged

…But his Twitter feed and the photos and statements released by the White House indicated that he did little other than monitor the catastrophic storm in Texas.

It was a calculated display of energetic presidential leadership — one hardly unique to the Trump administration. But it also revealed a president who was genuinely engaged by the drama unfolding in Texas

mobile.nytimes.com

Sigh

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TedStriker  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:22:04pm

re: #176 Charles Johnson

I’ve not read the op-ed, but I’m guessing Biden’s not being pure enough for the ‘progressives’?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:23:01pm

re: #189 TedStriker

I’ve not read the op-ed, but I’m guessing Biden’s not being pure enough for the ‘progressives’?

My only guess is some of them are mad that he praised the responses of CEOs and church leaders to how Trump handled Charlottesville.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:25:36pm

re: #188 BeachDem

But, but—

Hurricane Brings a Display of a President Anything but Disengaged

…But his Twitter feed and the photos and statements released by the White House indicated that he did little other than monitor the catastrophic storm in Texas.

It was a calculated display of energetic presidential leadership — one hardly unique to the Trump administration. But it also revealed a president who was genuinely engaged by the drama unfolding in Texas

mobile.nytimes.com

Sigh

…wha?

Did they read a different twitter feed or something?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:26:15pm

re: #191 klys (maker of Silmarils)

…wha?

Did they read a different twitter feed or something?

I really don’t get why they kiss his ass after all the nasty attacks he’s made on their publication.

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:26:43pm

re: #191 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Probably. Either that or they are trying to get some brownie points. /half

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:26:55pm

re: #192 HappyWarrior

I really don’t get why they kiss his ass after all the nasty attacks he’s made on their publication.

Maybe they read the things where someone put Hillary’s tweets on Trump’s page as screenshots and pretended we had competent leadership for a while?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:27:24pm

re: #194 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Maybe they read the things where someone put Hillary’s tweets on Trump’s page as screenshots and pretended we had competent leadership for a while?

Maybe. Man I miss competent leadership.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:27:36pm

He’s setting us up for martial law.

Or just evil.

Pick.

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Teukka  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:27:38pm

re: #192 HappyWarrior

I really don’t get why they kiss his ass after all the nasty attacks he’s made on their publication.

Lack of cojones? semi-///

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Nyet  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:27:39pm

re: #183 HappyWarrior

What’s worse, they’re discrediting the word “antifascism” by calling themselves by a derived term.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:28:13pm

re: #191 klys (maker of Silmarils)

…wha?

Did they read a different twitter feed or something?

Actually the @POTUS twitter feed which is probably run by a staffer while he concentrates on the realDonaldTrump twitter.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:28:47pm

re: #198 Nyet

What’s worse, they’re discrediting the word “antifascism” by calling themselves by a derived term.

Most definitely.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:29:05pm

re: #197 Teukka

Lack of cojones? semi-///

I dunno ohnestly.

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Nyet  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:29:28pm

Love trumps hate, utterly destroys it, guts it, dissects and cremates the remains.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:30:29pm

re: #202 Nyet

Love trumps hate, utterly destroys it, guts it, dissects and cremates the remains.

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These people are a good reminder of why the circular spectrum of ideology exists.

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nines09  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:30:30pm

re: #196 Stanley Sea

Link

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Nyet  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:31:47pm

re: #204 nines09

While we are at it, good thing it was just some ordinance, and not ordnance. //

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gocart mozart  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:31:55pm
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BeachDem  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:32:28pm

re: #191 klys (maker of Silmarils)

…wha?

Did they read a different twitter feed or something?

Well, he did point out that

At times, Mr. Trump’s tweets conveyed an unabashed excitement even as a humanitarian crisis overwhelmed Houston and other flooded cities.

Hey—his excitement was UNABASHED!

And in graph 22 (of a 22 paragraph article) he finally gets to:

While the storm clearly dominated the president’s time, he also found time to promote a book by another hard-line law enforcement official, Sheriff David A. Clarke of Milwaukee, take a shot at Missouri’s Democratic senator, Claire McCaskill, repeat a threat to terminate the North American Free Trade Agreement, and reiterate his determination to build a wall on the Mexican border, saying on Twitter that Mexico would pay for it “through reimbursement/other.”

And also didn’t miss a chance to throw shade at Obama:

…he was faulted for what critics said was his slow-footed response to the BP oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:32:29pm

re: #204 nines09

Dude. Moments when I wonder if I’m really as smart as I think I am.

gracias.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:32:58pm

re: #173 Stanley Sea

Our volunteer regular person navy are going to be the heroes of this storm.

And I know this is not over.

I have to work tonite but am thinking of hauling the Mako over tomorrow. I have a shallow water boat.

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Nyet  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:37:48pm
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gocart mozart  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:39:41pm

Stevie Ray Vaughan (October 3, 1954 - August 27, 1990)

Stevie Ray Vaughan - Texas Flood, 1984 (Ep. 37)

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Cheechako  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:39:46pm

re: #209 Dave In Austin

I have to work tonite but am thinking of hauling the Mako over tomorrow. I have a shallow water boat.

If you do go, be sure and bring along extra gas, water, and food. What supplies there are of untainted gas will soon disappear and a lot of boats will be left stranded. These items will become the new currencies.

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nines09  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:39:53pm

re: #208 Stanley Sea
I did the same thing years ago with that. Then……… There was an old brewery in my neighborhood in Philly. As a kid, everybody called it the bure-ee. I had to move and have people ask me; “What? Bure-ee? Huh?” Yeah. Where they brew beer. “OH. BREWERY!” Yeah bure-ee.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:42:52pm

re: #212 Cheechako

If you do go, be sure and bring along extra gas, water, and food. What supplies there are of untainted gas will soon disappear and a lot of boats will be left stranded. These items will become the new currencies.

3 day truck camp. I’m a bass fisherman. This is cake.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:44:27pm

Of course, at this point, I’m not even sure if I can get over there.

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Nyet  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:44:51pm

re: #213 nines09

I did the same thing years ago with that. Then……… There was an old brewery in my neighborhood in Philly. As a kid, everybody called it the bure-ee. I had to move and have people ask me; “What? Bure-ee? Huh?” Yeah. Where they brew beer. “OH. BREWERY!” Yeah bure-ee.

Sounds like what Khrushchev might have said.

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gocart mozart  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:45:46pm
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PhillyPretzel  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:46:38pm

re: #213 nines09

And coming from Philly you know one of the local supermarkets is pronounced “Hackame.”

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Cheechako  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:48:25pm

re: #214 Dave In Austin

3 day truck camp. I’m a bass fisherman. This is cake.

This is NOT cake. Several co-workers that were assigned to Hurricane Katrina told me that hungry and thirsty survivors can become very unreasonable to the point of violence in desperate times like this.

NEVER travel alone!!!

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Charles Johnson  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:49:24pm
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nines09  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:49:28pm

re: #218 PhillyPretzel

Entire sentences in one word. Yagonnago? Rightyaknowright? gonnagrabdael.

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:50:42pm

re: #221 nines09

or souphilly. Yes I know. Some folks don’t understand.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:52:20pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:52:47pm

re: #157 nines09

CANADA!

Ready and willing to help! 👍🏻

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:53:43pm
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PhillyPretzel  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:54:45pm

re: #224 Eclectic Cyborg

I do hope that our Canadian and Mexican neighbors will help Texas get back on its feet; in spite of the uncouth one.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:55:19pm

re: #217 gocart mozart

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:55:55pm
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nines09  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:57:55pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 27, 2017 • 2:59:00pm

re: #226 PhillyPretzel

I do hope that our Canadian and Mexican neighbors will help Texas get back on its feet; in spite of the uncouth one.

I am only 6 hours from Houston. If an opportunity to help comes I will be all over it.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 27, 2017 • 3:00:03pm

On another note I honestly believe Trump is physiologically incapable of showing empathy.

Seriously.

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nines09  Aug 27, 2017 • 3:01:11pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 27, 2017 • 3:01:19pm

re: #136 The Vicious Babushka

Report & block this sick m.f.

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Done. That’s #21 on the list that I’ve reported to Twitter and blocked since Friday. As I said before, I’ve had it with these CENSORED!

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gocart mozart  Aug 27, 2017 • 3:01:41pm

Hey Charles, have you ever broken a guitar string while playing in concert? Did you do this?

The smoothest guitar switch ever!

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lawhawk  Aug 27, 2017 • 3:01:43pm

Mexico’s help will be needed.

Because this crisis is still developing and you can just tell that it’s going to be on par with the flooding from Katrina in greater NOLA.

Where are the US Navy ships to move in to render assistance? Coast Guard’s there, but they’re overwhelmed too by the sheer volume of calls - and the storm’s going to dump another 1-2 feet of rain on this area.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 27, 2017 • 3:01:59pm

re: #233 nines09

Also says they’re not negotiating NAFTA (TLCAN) or any other bilateral agreements on social media.

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Woods Witch  Aug 27, 2017 • 3:03:05pm

re: #232 Eclectic Cyborg

On another note I honestly believe Trump is physiologically incapable of showing empathy.

Seriously.

He’s a narcissist. He’s incapable of caring about anyone but himself

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 27, 2017 • 3:03:24pm

It’s a pretty sad day when even the Government of Mexico manages to outclass us.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 27, 2017 • 3:03:45pm

re: #176 Charles Johnson

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He’s not Bernie Sanders so he should just shut up. Wish I was /ing…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 27, 2017 • 3:04:05pm

re: #239 Eclectic Cyborg

It’s a pretty sad day when even the Government of Mexico manages to outclass us.

Yeah, but it’s become a common occurrence.

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BeachDem  Aug 27, 2017 • 3:04:59pm
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Stanley Sea  Aug 27, 2017 • 3:05:52pm

re: #242 BeachDem

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for free

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nines09  Aug 27, 2017 • 3:06:09pm

re: #237 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Absolutely. Fuck Trump.

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lawhawk  Aug 27, 2017 • 3:09:30pm

Someone call the fucking waaambulance:

They’re killing off fake stories that are total bullshit. That’s all Hoft spews nonstop.

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nines09  Aug 27, 2017 • 3:10:18pm

re: #242 BeachDem

Yeah. How come. They could all just pack their car, and if they didn’t have a car, take a bus or hitchhike or walk to a FUCKING FIELD AND LAY DOWN.

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 27, 2017 • 3:12:14pm

re: #42 gocart mozart

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Arsenal supporter.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 27, 2017 • 3:12:24pm

re: #221 nines09

Entire sentences in one word. Yagonnago? Rightyaknowright? gonnagrabdael.

Jeetyet?

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Stanley Sea  Aug 27, 2017 • 3:13:05pm

re: #248 The Vicious Babushka

Jeetyet?

That one is a classic joke with my southern fam.

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nines09  Aug 27, 2017 • 3:13:18pm

re: #247 Barefoot Grin

Arsenal supporter.

To the knowing, that left a mark….

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Timothy Watson  Aug 27, 2017 • 3:14:02pm

re: #17 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“Harvey’s getting the best ratings! I have to get in on that!” -Trump

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nines09  Aug 27, 2017 • 3:16:00pm

re: #248 The Vicious Babushka

Wooder ice.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 27, 2017 • 3:16:49pm

Got a hold of my friend Donna on Facebook IM. She’s OK in Austin. Her home is on high ground. Others in low lying areas are getting hit terribly. Just glad to know she is OK!

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wheat-dogg  Aug 27, 2017 • 3:17:24pm

re: #248 The Vicious Babushka

Jeetyet?

It’s that kind of American-speak that drives my Chinese students crazy. If the US sitcoms they watch didn’t have Chinese subtitles, they’d never know what was being said. In their middle school classes, they. are. taught. to. say. each. word. like. this. So, listening to native speakers absolutely befuddles them.

yaknow?

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William Lewis  Aug 27, 2017 • 3:20:11pm

re: #142 The Vicious Babushka

I am sitting here in my wheelchair watching all this horror in Houston unfold and I’m thinking:

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nines09  Aug 27, 2017 • 3:21:19pm

AND…the birthplace of YO! You see your friend oberdere.”YO! BOBBY!” Then someone cuts in front of you at WAWA. “YO!” And a good looking girl walks by..”yo”…. Yawannasayhi and it’s “Yo”..
And “youseguys…..man…. Yo.”
gonedowndashore? yaparkit? getaspot?

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austin_blue  Aug 27, 2017 • 3:21:29pm

She Who Must Be Obeyed and I are visiting friends in Montclair and just back from the counter-demonstration at Addision and Oxford in Berzerkly. Loud, calm, fun, and hot.

Had a little brunch at Saul’s (a damn fine deli) and hit the Casa de Chocolate for a frozen spiced chocolate.

An excellent day in the East Bay.

Ten or so blocks away, Antifa and the racists got into it (only an idiot could nazi that coming). Gas, arrests, fisticuffs, etc. I suppose it was an excellent day in the East Bay for them, too.

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lawhawk  Aug 27, 2017 • 3:21:46pm

My wife’s got a friend who lives down in one of the Houston suburbs. He’s okay at the moment, but he’s not too far from a river that is fed by an upstream lake. The officials are warning they may need to release water from that lake to keep the region safe, which could put his area in flood risk.

None of this is good. Not a bit.

Millions of people are going to see their homes and livelihoods wiped out by the storm.

Trump’s still bullshitting his way through this and thinks it more important to talk about Clarke’s book or election chances in 2018 than to make sure that the US Navy is moving assets into the region to help, or moving the Marines and other relevant units to assist in disaster recovery in areas where the rains have stopped to the SW of Houston.

The big damage focus is obviously on Houston, but there’s widespread and massive damage up and down the coast.

Trump’s got his focus, and empathy is no where to be found.

You will not see any pictures of Trump hugging victims. Count on it. We saw Obama, Clinton, and GWB all showing empathy and feelings towards those hit by natural disasters - because that’s what normal people feel and do.

Trump isn’t normal. None of this is normal, and he’s putting lives in harm’s way by his incompetence.

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William Lewis  Aug 27, 2017 • 3:22:12pm

re: #144 Teukka

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 27, 2017 • 3:26:22pm

So…Chinese hoax? ////

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Stanley Sea  Aug 27, 2017 • 3:27:48pm

Ed Lavendara of CNN just did a rescue of some elderly people from a house, that appeared to have been missed. He’s riding on a rescue flat boat.

So sad & scary.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 27, 2017 • 3:28:03pm

re: #260 nines09

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Ya can’t get to Heaven
On the Frankford El
Cause the Frankford El
Goes straight to… 59th Street!

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 27, 2017 • 3:28:52pm

The New York Times is back on the “This is the moment he became presidential” train again, by praising Trump for his tweets.

Storm Response Showed a President Engaged in the Unfolding Drama

Apparently they are reading a different Twitter feed than the rest of the world, and “access” is so important they will say anything to get it.

On Friday, as Hurricane Harvey began lashing the Gulf Coast, and throughout the weekend, Mr. Trump posted regular updates on the status of the storm and praise for the government’s response. He held two teleconferences with members of his cabinet, announced that he would travel to Texas on Tuesday, and signed a federal disaster proclamation for the state.

It was a calculated display of energetic presidential leadership — one hardly unique to the Trump administration. But it also revealed a president who was genuinely engaged by the drama unfolding in Texas, certainly more so than he has been by other pressing issues facing his administration, like tax reform or a repeal of the Affordable Care Act.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 27, 2017 • 3:29:22pm

re: #262 Stanley Sea

Ed Lavendara of CNN just did a rescue of some elderly people from a house, that appeared to have been missed. He’s riding on a rescue flat boat.

So sad & scary.

Water up to their chests.
I’m shaken.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 27, 2017 • 3:30:43pm

re: #262 Stanley Sea

Ed Lavendara of CNN just did a rescue of some elderly people from a house, that appeared to have been missed. He’s riding on a rescue flat boat.

So sad & scary.

SHOWBOATS ON THE FAKE NEWS CNN!1!!

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 27, 2017 • 3:31:04pm

re: #260 nines09

re: #263 The Vicious Babushka

Now it goes to 69th street.

septa.org

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 27, 2017 • 3:31:07pm

They finally get to the meat of what really happened in the very last paragraph of a thirty-plus paragraph article:

While the storm clearly dominated the president’s time, he also found time to promote a book by another hard-line law enforcement official, Sheriff David A. Clarke of Milwaukee, take a shot at Missouri’s Democratic senator, Claire McCaskill, repeat a threat to terminate the North American Free Trade Agreement, and reiterate his determination to build a wall on the Mexican border, saying on Twitter that Mexico would pay for it “through reimbursement/other.”

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Belafon  Aug 27, 2017 • 3:31:11pm

re: #225 FormerDirtDart

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wheat-dogg  Aug 27, 2017 • 3:31:58pm

re: #256 nines09

AND…the birthplace of YO! You see your friend oberdere.”YO! BOBBY!” Then someone cuts in front of you at WAWA. “YO!” And a good looking girl walks by..”yo”…. Yawannasayhi and it’s “Yo”..
And “youseguys…..man…. Yo.”
gonedowndashore? yaparkit? getaspot?

My name is Yao Ming, not Yo !

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 27, 2017 • 3:32:36pm

re: #264 Anymouse 🌹

The New York Times is back on the “This is the moment he became presidential” train again, by praising Trump for his tweets.

Storm Response Showed a President Engaged in the Unfolding Drama

Apparently they are reading a different Twitter feed than the rest of the world, and “access” is so important they will say anything to get it.

I understand the whole “trying to reassure the nation” angle, but ffs, he’s tweeting and is just lucky as shit to have a fairly competent FEMA interim director. But as we are seeing here, the early stuff is always covered by local initiative. It’s how he responds in the weeks and months to come that really matter. I think he’ll have moved on. I hope not.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 27, 2017 • 3:34:15pm

re: #271 Barefoot Grin

I understand the whole “trying to reassure the nation” angle, but ffs, he’s tweeting and is just lucky as shit to have a fairly competent FEMA interim director. But as we are seeing here, the early stuff is always covered by local initiative. It’s how he responds in the weeks and months to come that really matter. I think he’ll have moved on. I hope not.

Texas. Lousy golf courses, too many water hazards. Won’t play there again.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 27, 2017 • 3:36:45pm

Assholes, safe in their homes gotta tweet shit

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 27, 2017 • 3:37:29pm

re: #269 Belafon

Another Russian Bot blocked and reported…

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lawhawk  Aug 27, 2017 • 3:37:51pm

re: #271 Barefoot Grin

He’s not competent, and there’s no sign that he’s directed the military to move assets into the region to assist. You’d be damned sure that those in harms’ way would love to know that the cavalry is coming directly. The Navy website is silent about assistance. We know the USCG is on mission, but the they’re going to be overwhelmed by the scope. They need the assets that the Navy, Marines, and Army can bring.

Trump is not engaged by a long shot.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 27, 2017 • 3:38:24pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 27, 2017 • 3:39:58pm

re: #275 lawhawk

He’s not competent, and there’s no sign that he’s directed the military to move assets into the region to assist. You’d be damned sure that those in harms’ way would love to know that the cavalry is coming directly. The Navy website is silent about assistance. We know the USCG is on mission, but the they’re going to be overwhelmed by the scope. They need the assets that the Navy, Marines, and Army can bring.

Trump is not engaged by a long shot.

That won’t stop the New York Times from endlessly trying to get back into President B-Hole’s good graces…

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 27, 2017 • 3:41:54pm

re: #273 Stanley Sea

Assholes, safe in their homes gotta tweet shit

Many people don’t have cars. A whole lot of people don’t have the money. And as I recall, they tried an evacuation during Hurricane Rita that wound up killing many more people than the storm did.

I don’t suppose said asshole has a plan to evacuate over two million people, or places to put them?

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Decatur Deb  Aug 27, 2017 • 3:42:51pm

re: #275 lawhawk

He’s not competent, and there’s no sign that he’s directed the military to move assets into the region to assist. You’d be damned sure that those in harms’ way would love to know that the cavalry is coming directly. The Navy website is silent about assistance. We know the USCG is on mission, but the they’re going to be overwhelmed by the scope. They need the assets that the Navy, Marines, and Army can bring.

Trump is not engaged by a long shot.

TBF, the response to Andrew took 5 days to put together, mostly because the extent of the wound was masked by the wiped-out communications. Things didn’t get moving until one of the mayors lost her shit on national TV, then it rapidly ramped up through 3-4 levels like Task Force Dragon (a reserve Army) to the final multiservice Joint Task Force Andrew.

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Belafon  Aug 27, 2017 • 3:44:28pm

re: #276 Stanley Sea

They also did good cutting away before dealing with the wife with Alzheimer’s.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 27, 2017 • 3:45:05pm

Well, despite the giant FU so many Texas GOP gave to New York over Sandy relief:

stripes.com (Stars and Stripes)

NEW YORK — The New York Air National Guard is heading to Texas and Louisiana, bringing aircraft, vessels and manpower to respond to Hurricane Harvey.

Democratic Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Saturday he deployed the emergency personnel to aid the recovery effort.

Rescue teams, maintenance and support staff from the 106th Rescue Wing of the New York Air National Guard is responding, along with three rescue helicopters, a rescue plane and several boats and watercraft.

(more at the link)

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 27, 2017 • 3:46:47pm

re: #281 Anymouse 🌹

Now other states will follow. It is good to hear that it (help) is starting.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 27, 2017 • 3:50:05pm

re: #280 Belafon

They also did good cutting away before dealing with the wife with Alzheimer’s.

And Ed apologized to the daughter as they were boating away for having the cameras there. She was so gracious.

It was really sweet.

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BeachDem  Aug 27, 2017 • 3:50:46pm

re: #273 Stanley Sea

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lawhawk  Aug 27, 2017 • 3:51:05pm

re: #279 Decatur Deb

To be fair, this is day 2 of the response. The communications is still available with Houston proper. The USCG is on site, and they can communicate up chain of command. The forecasts were known to all for several days now. Everyone knows or has reason to know of the historic flooding underway.

The logistics moves can be set in motion - ordering Navy assets to sea, getting military deployed to move into the region.

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calochortus  Aug 27, 2017 • 3:51:57pm

re: #282 PhillyPretzel

Now other states will follow. It is good to hear that it (help) is starting.

The disaster response team from a neighboring community headed for the Corpus Christi area ahead of the storm. Another from the Bay Area is on the way. None of them are large, but they will all add up.

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lawhawk  Aug 27, 2017 • 3:53:14pm

re: #281 Anymouse 🌹

GOP media mouthpiece Fred Dicker was giving Cuomo all kinds of grief for “interjecting” himself into the Harvey prep, and yet it turns out that Cuomo was doing exactly what he should be doing - moving assets towards Texas to provide assistance. NYPD ESU and other SAR teams are heading South. In coming days, I expect utilities around here moving significant resources towards Texas and Louisiana to help restore power.

Because that’s what is needed.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 27, 2017 • 3:54:44pm

re: #285 lawhawk

To be fair, this is day 2 of the response. The communications is still available with Houston proper. The USCG is on site, and they can communicate up chain of command. The forecasts were known to all for several days now. Everyone knows or has reason to know of the historic flooding underway.

The logistics moves can be set in motion - ordering Navy assets to sea, getting military deployed to move into the region.

Suspect the real damage and loss of life is in the hinterland around the cities. We have Andrew and Katrina experience to build on. Until Andrew response by active duty forces was not considered a core mission at all. In fact we had trouble with the posse comitatus law and other boundaries to the extent that only the FL National Guard could carry ammo.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 27, 2017 • 3:58:34pm

Having pets really complicates the flee option. NTTAWWT

If say an earthquake happened here, or fire, my cat is such a scaredy cat it will be a unbelievable challenge. She barely lets me touch her ass.

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lawhawk  Aug 27, 2017 • 3:59:54pm

re: #288 Decatur Deb

You’re going back to Andrew. I’m looking at the response from Katrina to now, and given what we know and what kind of effort will be needed, it’s going to need to be on that scope and scale.

NOLA is a fraction of the size of Houston.

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calochortus  Aug 27, 2017 • 4:01:10pm

re: #288 Decatur Deb

Suspect the real damage and loss of life is in the hinterland around the cities. We have Andrew and Katrina experience to build on. Until Andrew response by active duty forces was not considered a core mission at all. In fact we had trouble with the posse comitatus law and other boundaries to the extent that only the FL National Guard could carry ammo.

And the recovery will be very, very long. There’s a lot of rebuilding that will need to be done over a huge area.

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Belafon  Aug 27, 2017 • 4:01:31pm

re: #289 Stanley Sea

NTTAWWT - More syllables in the acronym than the phrase.

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Bass Reeves  Aug 27, 2017 • 4:02:04pm

re: #278 Anymouse 🌹

This doesn’t fly for me as an excuse anymore. Last time a bunch of people were hurt and killed due to a crappy evacuation plan? Frackin fix it. Literally their job. I’m not saying *I* have a plan to evacuate the residents of Houston, I’m saying that if I was in a position responsible for disaster relief for Houston, I’d have a plan to evacuate the residents of Houston. Why the hell is disaster relief paperwork being signed AT landfall, instead of days ahead of time? WTF happened to “Proper Prior Planning Prevents Poor Performance”?

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 27, 2017 • 4:02:28pm

Who is he thanking and for what?

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Stanley Sea  Aug 27, 2017 • 4:02:58pm

re: #292 Belafon

NTTAWWT - More syllables in the acronym than the phrase.

Today has been a fail for me using language.

And you are all WATCHING

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Charles Johnson  Aug 27, 2017 • 4:03:44pm
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Stanley Sea  Aug 27, 2017 • 4:03:50pm

re: #294 The Vicious Babushka

Who is he thanking and for what?

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He’s so transparent. Such carnival barker.

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wrenchwench  Aug 27, 2017 • 4:04:16pm

re: #294 The Vicious Babushka

Who is he thanking and for what?

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Old man yells ‘thanks!’ at the clouds.

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gocart mozart  Aug 27, 2017 • 4:04:25pm
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lawhawk  Aug 27, 2017 • 4:05:11pm

re: #294 The Vicious Babushka

Indeed.

Trump’s a fucking loon. Who the hell is he thanking. People in the path of this storm and the flooding don’t need thanks. They need help.

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Belafon  Aug 27, 2017 • 4:06:35pm

re: #295 Stanley Sea

Today has been a fail for me using language.

And you are all WATCHING

It’s not that you’re failing, I was just making a comment. Kind of like “www”, which is harder to say than “world wide web.”

I did have to look up what NTTAWWT stood for. I could not come up with it on my own.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 27, 2017 • 4:07:43pm

re: #301 Belafon

I forgive you!

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lawhawk  Aug 27, 2017 • 4:09:18pm

Trump’s thanking people for raising his spirits? What the hell is he going on about?

People don’t want to hear that he’s feeling fine because of Harvey. They want to know that help is coming.

They want to know that help is coming directly. Trump doesn’t know/care to answer that one essential point.

People need reassurance that all the efforts of the federal government will be coming their way. That’s the point of these conference calls and what FEMA needs to be ramping up to do (despite Trump’s call to gut funding for that agency).

Oh, and while we’re at it, if we need offsets to address funding storm rescue/recovery, I suggest Congress start with Trump’s fucking wall. And then with ICE deportation efforts that aren’t strictly going after dangerous criminals.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 27, 2017 • 4:09:54pm

I just tweeted my first reply to the yam whom I’ve blocked.

I feel horribly dirty.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 27, 2017 • 4:10:09pm

Wikipedia is quick:

Wilma was the most recent major hurricane to make landfall in the contiguous United States, until Hurricane Harvey made landfall in southern Texas early on August 26, 2017, ending a record length of time - just slightly over 11 years and 10 months - without any major hurricanes making landfall in the United States.

Hurricane Wilma

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KingKenrod  Aug 27, 2017 • 4:10:48pm

“Thanks” because he already imagines people congratulating him for doing a good job.

If you could roll a movie of what really goes on in Trump’s head, it would be 50% people telling him how great he is and 50% revenge fantasies.

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gocart mozart  Aug 27, 2017 • 4:12:23pm

There’s a whole series of these

Les Paul with Slash

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calochortus  Aug 27, 2017 • 4:13:01pm

re: #303 lawhawk

Keeping one’s spirits up will magically solve all hurricane related problems. People will pull together and rebuild everything with their bootstraps. Just like letting health insurance companies manage all health care will keep the country happy and healthy.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 27, 2017 • 4:13:08pm

Abbot is blaming preparation on the “local level”

Sounds so disingenuous out loud.

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Interesting Times  Aug 27, 2017 • 4:14:39pm

To be filed under, When live porcine specimens become airborne:

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calochortus  Aug 27, 2017 • 4:14:59pm

re: #309 Stanley Sea

Abbot is blaming preparation on the “local level”

Sounds so disingenuous out loud.

He also said something along the lines of ‘we’ll be able to rebuild quickly because we’re coordinating so well with the federal government.’

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 27, 2017 • 4:15:58pm

re: #311 calochortus

He also said something along the lines of ‘we’ll be able to rebuild quickly because we’re coordinating so well with the federal government.’

I thought government IS the problem. That’s what Saint Ronnie said.

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wrenchwench  Aug 27, 2017 • 4:17:08pm

re: #301 Belafon

It’s not that you’re failing, I was just making a comment. Kind of like “www”, which is harder to say than “world wide web.”

Hey! Kinda like ‘ww’

I did have to look up what NTTAWWT stood for. I could not come up with it on my own.

I’m wearing out my google. Any acronym or name, and the proper spelling of everything else.

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calochortus  Aug 27, 2017 • 4:18:00pm

re: #312 Ace Rothstein

I thought government IS the problem. That’s what Saint Ronnie said.

You’d think.
I’m wondering how the Feds are going to provide qualified builders, and supplies that aren’t, say, defective drywall.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 27, 2017 • 4:19:41pm
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calochortus  Aug 27, 2017 • 4:20:14pm

Oooh, now NBC is doing an in depth piece on why Houston has floods. Umm, low lying, lots of rain, and paving the place over. Surprise!

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Stanley Sea  Aug 27, 2017 • 4:20:38pm

re: #311 calochortus

He also said something along the lines of ‘we’ll be able to rebuild quickly because we’re coordinating so well with the federal government.’

And there goes the wall money.

It’s like they were instructed to praise the fed gov.
Hmmm

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gocart mozart  Aug 27, 2017 • 4:20:48pm

2007 : 92 year old Les Paul hears that a famous singer is in the audience “come on up doll” he has no fucking idea who she is.

Les Paul with Olivia Newton -John

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 27, 2017 • 4:25:20pm
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Decatur Deb  Aug 27, 2017 • 4:26:18pm

re: #314 calochortus

You’d think.
I’m wondering how the Feds are going to provide qualified builders, and supplies that aren’t, say, defective drywall.

That’s when the paperwork nightmare really starts, and it doesn’t much matter who is in charge. In one month massive bitching and moaning will surface as the default position. Humans.

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allegro  Aug 27, 2017 • 4:27:51pm

re: #316 calochortus

Oooh, now NBC is doing an in depth piece on why Houston has floods. Umm, low lying, lots of rain, and paving the place over. Surprise!

Houston was also built on a swamp.

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calochortus  Aug 27, 2017 • 4:28:08pm

re: #320 Decatur Deb

That’s when the paperwork nightmare really starts, and it doesn’t much matter who is in charge. In one month massive bitching and moaning will surface as the default position. Humans.

I’d probably bitch and moan too. Recovery will be difficult. Abbott is a fool for promising a quick result.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 27, 2017 • 4:28:54pm
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Charles Johnson  Aug 27, 2017 • 4:29:05pm
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Decatur Deb  Aug 27, 2017 • 4:29:21pm

re: #321 allegro

Houston was also built on a swamp.

How fortunate that we have an expert at draining swamps.

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allegro  Aug 27, 2017 • 4:29:32pm

re: #322 calochortus

Abbott is a fool for promising a quick result.

There.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 27, 2017 • 4:30:43pm

PURE CLASS

UTTER CRASS

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 27, 2017 • 4:33:47pm

Fun fact: The vast majority of coastal states that are Hurricane prone either somewhat or strongly lean GOP.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 27, 2017 • 4:34:58pm

re: #328 Eclectic Cyborg

Fun fact: The vast majority of coastal states that are Hurricane prone either somewhat or strongly lean GOP.

Cotton, rice, tobacco.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 27, 2017 • 4:35:32pm

re: #327 The Vicious Babushka

Donated.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 27, 2017 • 4:35:44pm

re: #328 Eclectic Cyborg

Fun fact: The vast majority of coastal states that are Hurricane prone either somewhat or strongly lean GOP.

And that’s why I posted Hend’s tweet.

It don’t matter.

We’ve got to be better.

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Skip Intro  Aug 27, 2017 • 4:38:26pm

re: #327 The Vicious Babushka

When’s he going to tweet how much he won Texas by?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 27, 2017 • 4:39:19pm

I wonder if Trump will have his “Heck of a job!” moment soon?

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allegro  Aug 27, 2017 • 4:40:05pm

I’m quite impressed with Houston leadership and local news right now. From the beginning Mayor Turner and other officials have been calling on residents to pitch in and help each other, to bring in boats and vehicles to assist with rescues. They have been calm and effective as evidenced by the vast number of people who have been and are being taken care of. The local news networks have been terrific in keeping good information coming.

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calochortus  Aug 27, 2017 • 4:42:14pm

re: #334 allegro

Good to hear.

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Belafon  Aug 27, 2017 • 4:43:45pm

re: #309 Stanley Sea

Abbot is blaming preparation on the “local level”

Sounds so disingenuous out loud.

Anything to blame local government. The legislature passed and attempted to pass a number of bills that reduced local authority and power.

Edit: The reason, pretty obvious from Paxton’s comments on those bills, is that cities are too liberal.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 27, 2017 • 4:49:01pm

re: #334 allegro

So tonight is another bunch of rain? Or what?

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Interesting Times  Aug 27, 2017 • 4:49:54pm

re: #334 allegro

I’m quite impressed with Houston leadership and local news right now. From the beginning Mayor Turner and other officials have been calling on residents to pitch in and help each other, to bring in boats and vehicles to assist with rescues. They have been calm and effective as evidenced by the vast number of people who have been and are being taken care of. The local news networks have been terrific in keeping good information coming.

If Abbott kisses cheeto benito’s ass until his lips turn a permanent shade of tangerine, will it result in more/faster federal aid? (I can’t believe I’m asking that as a serious question, but, here we are…)

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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2017 • 4:50:22pm

re: #336 Belafon

Anything to blame local government. The legislature passed and attempted to pass a number of bills that reduced local authority and power.

Edit: The reason, pretty obvious from Paxton’s comments on those bills, is that cities are too liberal.

Local knows best until we need to blame it for our fuckups.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 27, 2017 • 4:51:00pm

re: #334 allegro

I’m quite impressed with Houston leadership and local news right now. From the beginning Mayor Turner and other officials have been calling on residents to pitch in and help each other, to bring in boats and vehicles to assist with rescues. They have been calm and effective as evidenced by the vast number of people who have been and are being taken care of. The local news networks have been terrific in keeping good information coming.

That’s very reassuring to hear. Thank goodness that some adults are in charge of this.

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calochortus  Aug 27, 2017 • 4:51:23pm

Time to get to work on dinner. Since I went to the farmers’ market this morning, we’ll be having salmon, corn on the cob, and maybe some buckwheat-based cous cous.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 27, 2017 • 4:52:07pm

re: #337 Stanley Sea

So tonight is another bunch of rain? Or what?

Wow! Now the Weather Channel is saying Harvey could come back and hit the Texas coast two more times????

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Stanley Sea  Aug 27, 2017 • 4:55:12pm

re: #342 Joe Bacon 🌹

Wow! Now the Weather Channel is saying Harvey could come back and hit the Texas coast two more times????

Just saw that. bad

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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2017 • 4:56:56pm

re: #342 Joe Bacon 🌹

Wow! Now the Weather Channel is saying Harvey could come back and hit the Texas coast two more times????

Awful.

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Aug 27, 2017 • 4:57:22pm

re: #276 Stanley Sea

Oh my god. I’m in tears. That hits very close to home for me.

The assisted living facility I work in had 53 residents left in our care to ride out the hurricane on Friday night. Some didn’t have any family nearby, some refused to go with the families, and believe or not, some were surprised to find themselves left behind since their families told them they would pick them up and then evacuated without them.

As soon as it was light yesterday people started bringing their moms and dads back to the community. We had no power and were in disaster mode, delivering only cereal for breakfast, dry sandwiches and chips for lunch, etc., but people brought ‘em back anyway. One resident kept saying she couldn’t see anything because it was so dark, but her daughter left her with us anyway. I started telling people, “I would urge you to walk to your mom’s apartment and see how dark the hallways are, how dark her apartment is, and if you feel like she can navigate that OK, by all means bring her back home.”

I learned when our facility flooded in May 2016 that no matter what we do, there are some people who will feel that we didn’t do enough or the right thing. I was not disappointed, as people who evacuated to safety criticized some of the choices we made, even though we stayed and rode out Harvey with their loved one and put ourselves in harm’s way to do so.

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451_Montag  Aug 27, 2017 • 4:59:44pm

re: #327 The Vicious Babushka

PURE CLASS

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Fuck.

Seriously this is totally true.

I read the Big Os tweet and heard it in his voice and felt better.

Read the Orange fucknuts in his voice and felt pissed.

America didn’t deserve Obama

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lawhawk  Aug 27, 2017 • 5:00:36pm

re: #342 Joe Bacon 🌹

This storm lacks the kind of steering winds at the upper levels to push it out of the region. That’s why it was so slow moving once it came ashore, and now it’s meandering.

That means that the storm could go back into the Gulf, ramp up again, and come back ashore to do even more damage. Most of the tracks are suggesting a path towards the East - into Louisiana.

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BlueGrl21  Aug 27, 2017 • 5:00:53pm

This afternoon’s reprieve is over. Rain pouring down again. But the reprieve gave us a chance to get people out of their homes.

I keep seeing people criticizing our local officials for not ordering an evacuation. Had they done so, it would have been madness.

1. Too many people here cannot evacuate. They are poor, disabled, elderly. They have nowhere to go, cannot afford a hotel, etc.

2. Houston floods all of the time. We knew this would be bad. No one could understand this was going to be a 1,000 year flood.

3. When the city tried to empty out for Hurricane Rita it was deadly. You have to have someplace for people to go, gas available…we’re talking about 6.5 million people leaving a city. We evacuated for Rita (had a baby at the time) and it took us 12 hours to drive what usually takes an hour. Now, imagine water starts rising with all of those vehicles on the streets. No way.

Despite what you are seeing on the news, the vast bulk of people in this city are safer in their homes. Had all of us tried to get on the streets at the same time the city would have stopped and the rain would still have come.

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allegro  Aug 27, 2017 • 5:01:27pm

re: #337 Stanley Sea

So tonight is another bunch of rain? Or what?

Looks like. Raining again now. Fortunately we got a long enough break that the streets around the park drained. Will not take much to fill them up again with every bayou overtopped and the Brazos fixin to blow - no place for the water to drain to. Just have to hope that the rain keeps to the gentle side (like now) and not a fucking 3-4”/hr brick floater like last night.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 27, 2017 • 5:02:47pm

re: #345 Flying Squirrel Girl

Oh my god. Taking care of seniors is god’s work & I’m not religious.

It is just that elevated.

Thank you.

And the horrible family members, wow. I just don’t know what to say.

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wrenchwench  Aug 27, 2017 • 5:03:23pm

re: #346 451_Montag

America didn’t deserve Obama

Some Americans worked for Obama and made him happen.

Complacency set in. Nevertheless, as a whole, America does NOT deserve Trump.

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 27, 2017 • 5:03:28pm

re: #345 Flying Squirrel Girl

Oh my god. I’m in tears. That hits very close to home for me.

The assisted living facility I work in had 53 residents left in our care to ride out the hurricane on Friday night. Some didn’t have any family nearby, some refused to go with the families, and believe or not, some were surprised to find themselves left behind since their families told them they would pick them up and then evacuated without them.

As soon as it was light yesterday people started bringing their moms and dads back to the community. We had no power and were in disaster mode, delivering only cereal for breakfast, dry sandwiches and chips for lunch, etc., but people brought ‘em back anyway. One resident kept saying she couldn’t see anything because it was so dark, but her daughter left her with us anyway. I started telling people, “I would urge you to walk to your mom’s apartment and see how dark the hallways are, how dark her apartment is, and if you feel like she can navigate that OK, by all means bring her back home.”

I learned when our facility flooded in May 2016 that no matter what we do, there are some people who will feel that we didn’t do enough or the right thing. I was not disappointed, as people who evacuated to safety criticized some of the choices we made, even though we stayed and rode out Harvey with their loved one and put ourselves in harm’s way to do so.

I do not know what you are going through. Things are so different up here in New England right now. But my wife has started working in elder care for about five months. From her stories it seems like often the families that yell the most care…I was going to say “care the least” but that’s not fair. Maybe, understand the least. Bless you.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 27, 2017 • 5:07:11pm

re: #346 451_Montag

Fuck.

Seriously this is totally true.

I read the Big Os tweet and heard it in his voice and felt better.

Read the Orange fucknuts in his voice and felt pissed.

America didn’t deserve Obama

In a way we did, because his memory is going to get us through this horrible shit.

If you haven’t read Joe Biden’s post in The Atlantic, do.

They were class & will remind us of what we were/can be.

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meteor  Aug 27, 2017 • 5:14:55pm
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retired cynic  Aug 27, 2017 • 5:17:06pm

I have a friend in Baytown; we’re keeping in touch on Facebook. Worried about her!

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Belafon  Aug 27, 2017 • 5:18:03pm

Heard by a friend from their church pastor: Racism is a sin, pardoning racism is a sin.

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Aug 27, 2017 • 5:19:02pm

re: #350 Stanley Sea

I can honestly say working with seniors has changed me. And I kinda think I’m good at it, too, if I may toot my own horn. But it’s hard. One of my favorites has advancing dementia and it is difficult to watch the changes from week to week. She has the most powerful singing voice I’ve ever heard, and when she would sing I could hear her, on the other side of the building, from my office — and it made me cry every time. She doesn’t remember how to sing anymore. She still comes to see me almost every day, and I am honored (I don’t know if that’s the right word) to be one of the things in her daily life that she remembers.

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Aug 27, 2017 • 5:20:06pm

re: #352 Barefoot Grin

I would agree wholeheartedly with your wife’s assessment.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 27, 2017 • 5:23:02pm

re: #357 Flying Squirrel Girl

So glad to know you here.

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Aug 27, 2017 • 5:26:00pm

re: #359 Stanley Sea

Thank you, and likewise. I’m a raging updinger/shy commenter, but I’ve been following this place and you guys for years.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 27, 2017 • 5:30:31pm

re: #360 Flying Squirrel Girl

Thank you, and likewise. I’m a raging updinger/shy commenter, but I’ve been following this place and you guys for years.

I talk with people on the phone today & I’m, well I know this person in Corpus Christie & this one in Houston etc.

Community.

Problem is though, we are reliant on cell/power grid. If the shit hit the fan big time & we didn’t have that?

I guess at that point we’d be getting on a rescue boat & not be thinking of it.

Something to consider.

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BlueSpotinAL  Aug 27, 2017 • 5:34:42pm

re: #275 lawhawk

He’s not competent, and there’s no sign that he’s directed the military to move assets into the region to assist. You’d be damned sure that those in harms’ way would love to know that the cavalry is coming directly. The Navy website is silent about assistance. We know the USCG is on mission, but the they’re going to be overwhelmed by the scope. They need the assets that the Navy, Marines, and Army can bring.

Trump is not engaged by a long shot.

The only thing that Trump thinks is presidential to do with the military is to order some missiles to strike Hurricane Harvey.

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Interesting Times  Aug 27, 2017 • 5:35:25pm
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whitebeach  Aug 27, 2017 • 5:37:40pm

re: #54 electrotek

Anyone recall the major anti-evacuee sentiment that erupted post-Katrina?

Christ yes. To me that was America’s lowest point up until the actual election of the asshole.

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BeachDem  Aug 27, 2017 • 5:37:47pm

re: #351 wrenchwench

Some Americans worked for Obama and made him happen.

Complacency set in. Nevertheless, as a whole, America does NOT deserve Trump.

And lest we forget,

Donald Trump signed away Obama-era flood standards just weeks before Hurricane Harvey hit Texas in a bid to get infrastructure projects approved more quickly.

The rule signed by former president Barack Obama in 2015 had not yet come into effect but aimed to make infrastructure more resilient to the effects of climate change, such as rising sea levels and flooding.

newsweek.com

Cause, ya know, the yam knows how to build shit fast and cheap (it falls down and he doesn’t pay for it anyway, but…)

If I remember correctly, I believe he also rescinded an Obama plan for local contractors on infrastructure projects as well. Wonder how much his cronies will be making in Texas?

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Interesting Times  Aug 27, 2017 • 5:42:39pm

To be filed under, Never, ever ask how things can possibly get worse:

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jaunte  Aug 27, 2017 • 5:43:27pm

re: #366 Interesting Times

Another reason to avoid wading through floodwater at night.

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jaunte  Aug 27, 2017 • 5:44:31pm

12% of U.S. fuel-making capacity.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 27, 2017 • 5:46:08pm

re: #318 gocart mozart

2007 : 92 year old Les Paul hears that a famous singer is in the audience “come on up doll” he has no fucking idea who she is.

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Back in the day my friends and I referred to her as “Olivia Newton-Figg.” Around the same time, there was a CW singer with the improbable name of Juice Newton. She somehow became “Prune Pittman” in our musical conversation.

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freetoken  Aug 27, 2017 • 5:47:28pm

re: #368 jaunte

One thing that struck me watching the news last night is how over and over the TV talking heads and their guests were saying that help was on the way because the Houston area is the center of US energy industry.

As if help wouldn’t be on the way otherwise.

And of course the nebulous hand waving regarding from where such help would come.

Almost as if they couldn’t admit in public that they needed government help.

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freetoken  Aug 27, 2017 • 5:48:41pm

Also, the talking heads kept saying “energy” instead of oil.

As if they didn’t know or acknowledge that most of the US energy is not about petroleum refining in the greater Houston area.

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Belafon  Aug 27, 2017 • 5:48:43pm

re: #366 Interesting Times

To be filed under, Never, ever ask how things can possibly get worse:

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*Millions of years ago*
Ant 1: So much rain. What are we going to do.
Ant 2: I have an idea: Why don’t we all hold onto each other and ride it out?
Religious ant: Being too close to other ants of the same gender would go against the will of God.

And now we know why there are no pastor ants.

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jaunte  Aug 27, 2017 • 5:49:07pm

re: #370 freetoken

I’m not sure what they can do about the flooded refineries; they’re all downstream from just about every picture you’re seeing of the flooding, and the workers live in some of the places hit worst.

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Woods Witch  Aug 27, 2017 • 5:50:15pm

re: #366 Interesting Times

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Teukka  Aug 27, 2017 • 5:51:11pm

re: #366 Interesting Times

To be filed under, Never, ever ask how things can possibly get worse:

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You know the saying, “smile, because it could’ve been worse?” Well, I smiled, and behold, it became worse…

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makeitstop  Aug 27, 2017 • 5:51:36pm

re: #260 nines09

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I used to see that band quite a bit around Philly.

Rundgren produced that record.

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gocart mozart  Aug 27, 2017 • 5:53:27pm
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jaunte  Aug 27, 2017 • 5:55:03pm
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Charles Johnson  Aug 27, 2017 • 5:55:28pm
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Ace-o-aces  Aug 27, 2017 • 5:55:36pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2017 • 5:56:09pm

re: #378 jaunte

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Nice to read stories like this. Lots of heroism by everyday people today.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Aug 27, 2017 • 5:56:13pm

re: #366 Interesting Times

To be filed under, Never, ever ask how things can possibly get worse:

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Oh for some gasoline and a match…..

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austin_blue  Aug 27, 2017 • 5:56:28pm

re: #349 allegro

Looks like. Raining again now. Fortunately we got a long enough break that the streets around the park drained. Will not take much to fill them up again with every bayou overtopped and the Brazos fixin to blow - no place for the water to drain to. Just have to hope that the rain keeps to the gentle side (like now) and not a fucking 3-4”/hr brick floater like last night.

I know that Hobby is shot (underwater) and Bush is temporarily closed (Power? Water?).

What is the situation at Ellington? That would be an ideal place to bring in C-17s to offload trucks, boats, personnel, and cargo. Big ramps, big storage, and good access to I-45 to either Houston or Galveston.

Any news?

TIA!

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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2017 • 5:57:05pm

re: #379 Charles Johnson

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Thank you Mexican government. I know our President has been a total asshole to you but thank you for keeping your humanity. Estamos todos juntos en esto

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 27, 2017 • 5:58:18pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2017 • 5:59:32pm

re: #385 The Vicious Babushka

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What a way to go into the world. My great grandmother was stranded with my great aunt when the Johnstown Flood of 1936 happened. Fortunately, they were okay.

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Interesting Times  Aug 27, 2017 • 5:59:42pm

re: #348 BlueGrl21

I keep seeing people criticizing our local officials for not ordering an evacuation. Had they done so, it would have been madness.

Indeed. This thread here (from someone who went through the Hurricane Rita fiasco) puts in perfect perspective:

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Stanley Sea  Aug 27, 2017 • 6:00:07pm

56K 911 calls

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Maxwell Not So Smart  Aug 27, 2017 • 6:00:27pm

re: #74 Flying Squirrel Girl

I saw An Inconvenient Sequel: Truth to Power today. Vice President Gore made the point very clearly that the people most at risk to climate change the word over are the poor who are often powerless to do much about their circumstances. Indirectly making the point this is largely why business and the rich don’t give a single God damned shit about what damage climate change causes because they will be dead so fuck the poors.

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jaunte  Aug 27, 2017 • 6:00:53pm
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jaunte  Aug 27, 2017 • 6:02:40pm

“8th Wonder” that the woman in the clip above speaks of is a local microbrewery, using their truck for rescues.

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bratwurst  Aug 27, 2017 • 6:02:54pm

re: #376 makeitstop

Rundgren produced that record.

Speaking of whom…guested on vocals with Carl Palmer’s ELP Legacy last night on Lucky Man!

Carl Palmer’s ELP Legacy - Lucky Man - with Todd Rundgren

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Belafon  Aug 27, 2017 • 6:04:38pm

It seems to be getting good reviews from journalists who got to see it early:

ew.com

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 27, 2017 • 6:05:13pm

re: #377 gocart mozart

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My dog, Roswell II the Atomic Pound Pup, refuses to use the ancient doghouse here on the property and prefers instead to take refuge in the corner of a covered donkey stall.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2017 • 6:05:42pm

re: #393 Belafon

It seems to be getting good reviews from journalists who got to see it early:

ew.com

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That’s good. I actually liked the 90 Miniseries. Made me scared of clowns though.

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Jay C  Aug 27, 2017 • 6:06:27pm

re: #394 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

My dog, Roswell II the Atomic Pound Pup, refuses to use the ancient doghouse here on the property and prefers instead to take refuge in the corner of a covered donkey stall.

Is he holding out for Paris Hilton?

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Stanley Sea  Aug 27, 2017 • 6:06:50pm

re: #393 Belafon

It seems to be getting good reviews from journalists who got to see it early:

ew.com

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I can’t wait.

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lawhawk  Aug 27, 2017 • 6:08:00pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2017 • 6:08:51pm

re: #398 lawhawk

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Our President is a fucking Russian puppet.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 27, 2017 • 6:10:22pm

re: #393 Belafon

And as you know, with all of King’s horror - it’s the people that make the story.

Again, I.cant.wait.

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 27, 2017 • 6:10:42pm

A friend who cycles with a group through Rock Creek in the DC area said that portable road signs had been hacked to say “fuck Trump” and “kill Nazis” this morning but that by the time he was on the return part of his ride the signs had been turned off.

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Belafon  Aug 27, 2017 • 6:11:30pm

re: #400 Stanley Sea

And as you know, with all of King’s horror - it’s the people that make the story.

Again, I.cant.wait.

And that seems to be what the makers figure out.

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lawhawk  Aug 27, 2017 • 6:13:51pm

The time space continuum has been upended in the GoT universe. Nice to see where everyone’s all meeting. Such a fine gathering. I’m sure it’ll go well.

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gocart mozart  Aug 27, 2017 • 6:14:03pm

Can anyone suggest a response to his brilliant retort “So?” because I am stuck.

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lawhawk  Aug 27, 2017 • 6:15:01pm

I thought you were dead. Well…. I got better.

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Skip Intro  Aug 27, 2017 • 6:15:37pm

re: #404 gocart mozart

Who is this idiot? I can’t place him.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2017 • 6:15:45pm

re: #404 gocart mozart

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Can anyone suggest a response to his brilliant retort “So?” because I am stuck.

Tell him to take it up with the law, the same law that Arpaio didn’t care about when he prejudged the guilt of thousands of inmates. Kurt can fuck up off with his concern troll bullshit.

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Belafon  Aug 27, 2017 • 6:15:51pm

re: #404 gocart mozart

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Can anyone suggest a response to his brilliant retort “So?” because I am stuck.

Rule. Of. Law. You’re obviously having trouble with that, Kurt.

Joe could have asked for one. It’s his constitutional right.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 27, 2017 • 6:15:53pm

re: #404 gocart mozart

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Can anyone suggest a response to his brilliant retort “So?” because I am stuck.

It reminds me of Tommy Smothers’ ‘snappy comeback’ - “Oh yeah?”

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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2017 • 6:16:24pm

re: #406 Skip Intro

Who is this idiot? I can’t place him.

He’s one of Charles’ many many “fans.” Aka jilted right wing assholes who think Charles owed the right something.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2017 • 6:16:52pm

re: #408 Belafon

Rule. Of. Law. You’re obviously having trouble with that, Kurt.

Joe could have asked for one. It’s his constitutional right.

Exactly.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Aug 27, 2017 • 6:20:16pm

re: #404 gocart mozart

That dog won’t hunt.

He’s arguing in bad faith. “The law” matters only as he defines it, and your explanations with greater depth and detail simply don’t matter.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Aug 27, 2017 • 6:20:18pm

re: #404 gocart mozart

So if you don’t like the law change it.

So you don’t get to declare what the rules should be.

So you can’t make up the laws as you go along.

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Maxwell Not So Smart  Aug 27, 2017 • 6:20:51pm

re: #220 Charles Johnson

I guess waiting to have all the facts before commenting only applies to Nazis.
/

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Belafon  Aug 27, 2017 • 6:21:24pm

re: #387 Interesting Times

BTW, if you to go the tweet, you find out she’s a singer. There’s a video for her band’s recent song at their website: thesuffers.com.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2017 • 6:21:44pm

I just can’t help but to laugh at Arpaio’s defenders crying about him being railroaded and witch hunted when that’s what he did to his jails. Except it was worse.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 27, 2017 • 6:22:55pm

re: #416 HappyWarrior

I just can’t help but to laugh at Arpaio’s defenders crying about him being railroaded and witch hunted when that’s what he did to his jails. Except it was worse.

But only to Those People. So that’s okay.

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Interesting Times  Aug 27, 2017 • 6:24:12pm

re: #412 The Ghost of a Flea

That dog won’t hunt.

He’s arguing in bad faith. “The law” matters only as he defines it, and your explanations with greater depth and detail simply don’t matter.

Exactly. Maliciously stupid idiots like kurt schlichter follow this playbook to the letter:

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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2017 • 6:25:28pm

re: #417 Blind Frog Belly White

But only to Those People. So that’s okay.

Of course.

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gocart mozart  Aug 27, 2017 • 6:26:39pm

Joe could have asked for one. It’s his constitutional right

Actually no. In most states and the Fed Gov., you are not entitled to a jury trial if the max sentence is 6 months or less. Arpaio received the same due process as everyone else is entitled to. Kurt is demanding special rights for Arpaio. This will be my answer.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Aug 27, 2017 • 6:26:40pm

re: #418 Interesting Times

I am using that damn excerpt sooo much these days.

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retired cynic  Aug 27, 2017 • 6:26:43pm

re: #404 gocart mozart

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Can anyone suggest a response to his brilliant retort “So?” because I am stuck.

My brother and I always said, “So what?”

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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2017 • 6:28:19pm

re: #420 gocart mozart

Actually no. In most states and the Fed Gov., you are not entitled to a jury trial if the max sentence is 6 months or less. Arpaio received the same due process as everyone else is entitled to. Kurt is demanding special rights for Arpaio. This will be my answer.

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Exactly. Arpaio got the same treatment under the law that anyone else did. Kurt IS demanding that Sheriff Fascist get special treatment.

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Interesting Times  Aug 27, 2017 • 6:28:54pm

re: #421 The Ghost of a Flea

I am using that damn excerpt sooo much these days.

Exactly. It’s like Jean-Paul Sartre foresaw the rise of GOP/4chan/MRA/gamergate trolls -_-

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 27, 2017 • 6:28:55pm

re: #422 retired cynic

My brother and I always said, “So what?”

Sew buttons!

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Belafon  Aug 27, 2017 • 6:30:36pm

re: #420 gocart mozart

Actually no. In most states and the Fed Gov., you are not entitled to a jury trial if the max sentence is 6 months or less. Arpaio received the same due process as everyone else is entitled to. Kurt is demanding special rights for Arpaio. This will be my answer.

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I guess 6 months < $20.

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Belafon  Aug 27, 2017 • 6:31:45pm

re: #424 Interesting Times

Exactly. It’s like Jean-Paul Sartre foresaw the rise of GOP/4chan/MRA/gamergate trolls -_-

What would you suggest for a response?

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 27, 2017 • 6:32:02pm
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mmmirele  Aug 27, 2017 • 6:33:07pm

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whitebeach  Aug 27, 2017 • 6:35:21pm

re: #254 wheat-dogg

It’s that kind of American-speak that drives my Chinese students crazy. If the US sitcoms they watch didn’t have Chinese subtitles, they’d never know what was being said. In their middle school classes, they. are. taught. to. say. each. word. like. this. So, listening to native speakers absolutely befuddles them.

yaknow?

I was having lunch on the verandah of my workplace in Baton Rouge. So were a couple of carpenters. They were talking about someone they knew who had died a day or so earlier. One man asked, “Wedday gonna wekkim.” I understood, but it hit me instantly that the best foreign student of English in the world couldn’t possible decipher that it meant “Where are they going to wake him (i.e., hold his wake)”?

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Interesting Times  Aug 27, 2017 • 6:36:08pm

re: #427 Belafon

What would you suggest for a response?

Posting that excerpt and telling the idiot they argue just like an anti-Semite? :/

Seriously though, they absolutely SHOULD be called out using, perhaps, a trimmed-down, twitterized summary of Sartre’s points. Just substitute the term “anti-Semite” with whatever other odious cause the bad-faith troll identifies with.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 27, 2017 • 6:36:32pm

“When the president tweeted about me the morning after I released the image, it served as an executive order of sorts to his family and supporters to go after me,” she says. “You may say I deserved it, but just think about it … the president of the United States and his family are going after a stand-up comic who had a show on the Bravo network called My Life on the D-List. If that isn’t punching down, I don’t know what is.”

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lawhawk  Aug 27, 2017 • 6:36:38pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2017 • 6:37:46pm

re: #432 Stanley Sea

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What she did was stupid but Trump got rewarded for being a crude asshole who talked about wanting to kill innocent civilians.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 27, 2017 • 6:38:38pm

Read the story, I kind of posted the wrong excerpt.

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whitebeach  Aug 27, 2017 • 6:40:23pm

re: #345 Flying Squirrel Girl

I wish more people could be people like you.

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lawhawk  Aug 27, 2017 • 6:44:04pm

A primer on Houston, flooding, and the mess we’re facing.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Aug 27, 2017 • 6:44:08pm

re: #424 Interesting Times

My suspicion is that Sartre is describing a human mode that occurs over and over in many times and places. But the relationship between the historic anti-Semite and the modern US reactionary is a path obscured by only by a leaf fall.

Modern conspiracy thinking borrows so much from a small number of sources, and the largest wellspring of themes are from antisemitic materials (mostly particularly—the Protocols). This new reactionary generation have found their way back to original materials, because the patterns and rhythms are familiar.

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William Lewis  Aug 27, 2017 • 6:45:15pm

re: #404 gocart mozart

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Can anyone suggest a response to his brilliant retort “So?” because I am stuck.

Ignorance of the law is no excuse?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2017 • 6:45:20pm

re: #435 Stanley Sea

Read the story, I kind of posted the wrong excerpt.

It’s a good read. She doesn’t deserve to be ruined over it. As I said, Trump has said far worse and the article makes points about Trump surrogates talking about killing Clinton.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 27, 2017 • 6:45:50pm

re: #440 HappyWarrior

It’s a good read. She doesn’t deserve to be ruined over it. As I said, Trump has said far worse and the article makes points about Trump surrogates talking about killing Clinton.

It’s hard to imagine any other U.S. president, much less his family, going after any entertainer the way Trump and his family went after Griffin. Wilson told me that he finds it ironic that Trump, who rode into the White House on a platform of decrying political correctness, has presided over the development of a “highly refined outrage culture, particularly around himself. There is no humor. He and his supporters will go to DEFCON 1 if they sense there’s something that offends him.”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 27, 2017 • 6:46:56pm

You remember that Two Minutes Hate thing from 1984?

I think I’d be down for doing that against Trump every day.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2017 • 6:48:56pm

re: #441 Stanley Sea

Yep it’s a total double standard. We hate PC until we’re the targets of something that offends us. Fuckers.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 27, 2017 • 6:50:15pm

This is the reason that Republicans keep winning elections==>

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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2017 • 6:50:48pm

Everyone offends too easily say the people who go ballistic over socks with cops as pigs. Seems to me you want to be able to be as assholish as you like but no one dare hurt your fee fees.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Aug 27, 2017 • 6:51:49pm

re: #443 HappyWarrior

Bad faith, yet again.

Ranting about “PC” has been out declaring their own feelings to be True since Rush started burbling about it.

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bratwurst  Aug 27, 2017 • 6:53:08pm

re: #435 Stanley Sea

Read the story, I kind of posted the wrong excerpt.

On one hand she clearly got hit with a double whammy…she lost all kinds of work AND had Trump unleash an army of trolls on her, very bad times indeed.

On the other hand, it is an unfortunate fact that there’s a finite amount of empathy in the universe, and in this twisted Trump world of ours there is a long list of people I feel badly for ahead of her.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2017 • 6:53:13pm

re: #444 The Vicious Babushka

This is the reason that Republicans keep winning elections==>

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They have no idea how to build a party. I’d like money out of politics too but we are in a post Citizens United world and I’ll note that some of these corporations want a more inclusive world. Maybe not for altruistic reasons always but not every corporation is evil.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2017 • 6:54:13pm

re: #447 bratwurst

On one hand she clearly got hit with a double whammy…she lost all kinds of work AND had Trump unleash an army of trolls on her, very bad times indeed.

On the other hand, it is an unfortunate fact that there’s a finite amount of empathy in the universe, and in this twisted Trump world of ours there is a long list of people I feel badly for ahead of her.

Certainly, the families living their lives in fear of ICE and the racial minorities scapegoated by him.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2017 • 6:55:10pm

re: #446 The Ghost of a Flea

Bad faith, yet again.

Ranting about “PC” has been out declaring their own feelings to be True since Rush started burbling about it.

Yep. I say fine say what you want to say but I’ll call you a bigoted piece of shit.

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Belafon  Aug 27, 2017 • 6:55:55pm

re: #444 The Vicious Babushka

This is the reason that Republicans keep winning elections==>

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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2017 • 6:57:27pm

Anyone who thinks the Dems are Republican lite is a privileged brat who has the luxury of demanding universal health care and not appreciating that millions were insured due to ACA.

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Belafon  Aug 27, 2017 • 6:58:24pm

re: #451 Belafon

Along those lines:

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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2017 • 6:58:31pm

I’m not even against universal health care. I just saw how hard ACA was to pass and know that universal would be a tough sell.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2017 • 7:02:03pm

re: #453 Belafon

Along those lines:

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He really is a repulsive dickhead. I want his fall from power to be humiliating for him.

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bratwurst  Aug 27, 2017 • 7:02:33pm

re: #449 HappyWarrior

Certainly, the families living their lives in fear of ICE and the racial minorities scapegoated by him.

And I am sure Kathy would agree that they have it MUCH worse than she does. It’s not like it’s a contest.

It’s a well written story, and it is galling how Trump lied about his young son being affected by the photo, etc. Even so, I think she should have stuck with her instinct to continue to lie low, and turn down interviews like this.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2017 • 7:05:23pm

re: #456 bratwurst

And I am sure Kathy would agree that they have it MUCH worse than she does. It’s not like it’s a contest.

It’s a well written story, and it is galling how Trump lied about his young son being affected by the photo, etc. Even so, I think she should have stuck with her instinct to continue to lie low, and turn down interviews like this.

Yep agreed.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 27, 2017 • 7:07:14pm

re: #432 Stanley Sea

More, it’s a fantastic write up.

How they instructed her to address potus

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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2017 • 7:07:21pm

Honestly I’ve never felt as I worried as I have for our future. I fear it’s going to take a very long time to reverse the damage Trump has caused on our nation. I have no idea who the Dems will nominate in 2020, I just worry about a divided left shooting ourself in the foot over purity battles.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2017 • 7:09:17pm

re: #458 Stanley Sea

More, it’s a fantastic write up.

How they instructed her to address potus

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I’m glad she didn’t. He has never apologized for being a vile piece of shit to the Khans, Judge Curiel, Alicia Machado, & so many others.

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Belafon  Aug 27, 2017 • 7:11:20pm

re: #459 HappyWarrior

Honestly I’ve never felt as I worried as I have for our future. I fear it’s going to take a very long time to reverse the damage Trump has caused on our nation. I have no idea who the Dems will nominate in 2020, I just worry about a divided left shooting ourself in the foot over purity battles.

The people we hear about now are the same ones we were before. But, a lot more people have gone WTF since the election. See the special elections. The damage Trump is doing will take a while, because of the way our system is set up. We will have to deal with that. But it can be done.

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bratwurst  Aug 27, 2017 • 7:11:52pm

re: #458 Stanley Sea

More, it’s a fantastic write up.

How they instructed her to address potus

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I just read that part.

Ok, I take it back. She was right to share the fact that someone wanted her to sign her name to that with the world.

Edit: I love the fact that asshole brags about having spent an hour and a half writing that garbage and INSISTS not a word can be changed. Amazing.

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 27, 2017 • 7:12:22pm

I really wish we could roll back gay marriage so God will make all this rain go away.
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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2017 • 7:13:02pm

re: #461 Belafon

The people we hear about now are the same ones we were before. But, a lot more people have gone WTF since the election. See the special elections. The damage Trump is doing will take a while, because of the way our system is set up. We will have to deal with that. But it can be done.

I tell you the main reason why I’m so cynical is my own generation. I really naively like to many believed that the racism was dying out with the older generations. It’s not.

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whitebeach  Aug 27, 2017 • 7:20:16pm

re: #459 HappyWarrior

Honestly I’ve never felt as I worried as I have for our future. I fear it’s going to take a very long time to reverse the damage Trump has caused on our nation. I have no idea who the Dems will nominate in 2020, I just worry about a divided left shooting ourself in the foot over purity battles.

Cause and effect is tricky. To me it is a large part of “our nation” that has brought Trump and all his crap upon us and who are the causes of most of the “damage” to which you refer. But certainly you are correct about the foolish self-divisiveness of the Dems and the left as a (w)hole.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 27, 2017 • 7:21:46pm

re: #456 bratwurst

And I am sure Kathy would agree that they have it MUCH worse than she does. It’s not like it’s a contest.

It’s a well written story, and it is galling how Trump lied about his young son being affected by the photo, etc. Even so, I think she should have stuck with her instinct to continue to lie low, and turn down interviews like this.

Griffin says she isn’t a victim: “I am in a position of privilege, I will be fine,” she says. “But what about any American citizen, whether they’re artists or not, who innocently post a shocking photo on social media — will they face a federal investigation?” Griffin also worries about the “chilling effect” created by the retribution wielded by a vengeful president and his army of supporters. She thinks that just as she’s taken responsibility for her provocative image, Trump “has to take responsibility for the power he holds with his Twitter account.”

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TedStriker  Aug 27, 2017 • 7:22:14pm

re: #464 HappyWarrior

I tell you the main reason why I’m so cynical is my own generation. I really naively like to many believed that the racism was dying out with the older generations. It’s not.

Hate and fear of the other sells, it has since humans have been around, and it will always sell, barring a Star Trek-style enlightenment.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2017 • 7:24:17pm

re: #467 TedStriker

Hate and fear of the other sells, has since prehistory, and will always sell, barring a Star Trek-style enlightenment.

I know. I guess I naively thought it would get better and I thought my generation would be a little bit better than the previous one and I guess as a whole we are. I’m lucky. I grew up in a diverse area. I’m thankful for that everyday because I really do see us all as unique individuals and products of unique backgrounds.

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wheat-dogg  Aug 27, 2017 • 7:24:50pm

re: #467 TedStriker

Hate and fear of the other sells, it has since humans have been around, and it will always sell, barring a Star Trek-style enlightenment.

That enlightenment came after a global war, and contact with Vulcans. I’m hoping we can skip the global war part.

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whitebeach  Aug 27, 2017 • 7:25:52pm

re: #467 TedStriker

Hate and fear of the other sells, has since prehistory, and will always sell, barring a Star Trek-style enlightenment.

True, but what differs from, say, one presidential administration to another is the officially accepted definition of what “the other” is.

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TedStriker  Aug 27, 2017 • 7:26:41pm

re: #469 wheat-dogg

That enlightenment came after a global war, and contact with Vulcans. I’m hoping we can skip the global war part.

No shit…

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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2017 • 7:26:55pm

re: #465 whitebeach

Cause and effect is tricky. To me it is a large part of “our nation” that has brought Trump and all his crap upon us and who are the causes of most of the “damage” to which you refer. But certainly you are correct about the foolish self-divisiveness of the Dems and the left as a (w)hole.

I’ve felt this way since Obama got elected. I thought Obama’s election was going to be the start of something real special but it woke up some ugliness and the left either turned their back on him when things weren’t perfect or ran away from him when things got ugly. The left, we need to realize yeah we have some differences but liberalism to me is ultimately about making the world a better place for the successive generations. I hope we can do that for my niece.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 27, 2017 • 7:31:44pm

Allegro, please keep us updated!

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jaunte  Aug 27, 2017 • 7:32:00pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 27, 2017 • 7:35:15pm

re: #474 jaunte

Holy FUCK.

Not even Katrina did shit like that.

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jaunte  Aug 27, 2017 • 7:36:58pm

Pounding down again outside. We lost power for about five minutes.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 27, 2017 • 7:37:34pm

Hi Lizards.

Continuing to think of the TX contingent, especially those located in/near Houston. …may be tipsy as fuck, please excuse spelling errors.

My thoughts on getting back to the house this evening:

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jaunte  Aug 27, 2017 • 7:37:44pm

Tornado warning.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 27, 2017 • 7:38:26pm

re: #478 jaunte

Tornado warning.

Be safe.

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jaunte  Aug 27, 2017 • 7:39:11pm

My sister is staying with my mother (93) at Mom’s house (near Buffalo Bayou). I can’t get over to them because of flooded streets. She’s been sending me photos of the water creeping up from the bottom of their street.

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jaunte  Aug 27, 2017 • 7:39:58pm

Luckily she lives next to doctor couple with a two story house.

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lawhawk  Aug 27, 2017 • 7:40:27pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 27, 2017 • 7:40:40pm

re: #480 jaunte

My sister is staying with my mother (93) at Mom’s house (near Buffalo Bayou). I can’t get over to them because of flooded streets. She’s been sending me photos of the water creeping up from the bottom of their street.

Does she have a plan for if the water reaches the house? I’m ready and willing to signal boost as much as possible, although it sounds like phone calls to the direct numbers are the preferred way to go for seeking water rescue.

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jaunte  Aug 27, 2017 • 7:41:20pm

re: #483 klys (maker of Silmarils)

She’ll go next door, to higher ground.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 27, 2017 • 7:41:29pm

re: #481 jaunte

Luckily she lives next to doctor couple with a two story house.

Are they willing to let her haul sentimental stuff over now? Might be something to consider.

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wheat-dogg  Aug 27, 2017 • 7:41:33pm

re: #472 HappyWarrior

I’ve felt this way since Obama got elected. I thought Obama’s election was going to be the start of something real special but it woke up some ugliness and the left either turned their back on him when things weren’t perfect or ran away from him when things got ugly. The left, we need to realize yeah we have some differences but liberalism to me is ultimately about making the world a better place for the successive generations. I hope we can do that for my niece.

I was stupefied when Obama won the election, because I doubted it would be possible elect an African-American as president in my lifetime. I have not given up my optimism since then for future progress, but it depends on our constant and unceasing resistance to Trumpism and the conservatives’ social and economic agendae. Trump has not been given a blank slate to write on, because short of becoming an absolute dictator he will not be able to force Washington DC to bend the knee. White supremacists and new-Confederates have been vastly outnumbered whenever they have rallies, and many have lost their jobs as they’be identified.

Our main difficulty is a small minority of regressive people have easy and apparently free access to the airwaves, to the Internet, and other media. They’ve been allowed to operate free from any responsibility to be truthful or fair, and have poisoned the body politic so much that a complete fraud like Donald J. Trump could even be considered a viable candidate, much less president.

I am hoping Trump’s win was a fluke, and once it becomes clear that the election was rigged to favor him, that his administration is a disaster, and he lies about everything, people will realize he was a Big Mistake.

Hurricane Harvey is the first big test. He’s not shown much ability to deal with it.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 27, 2017 • 7:41:51pm

re: #480 jaunte

Jesus Christo.

Safety please.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 27, 2017 • 7:42:15pm

re: #485 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Are they willing to let her haul sentimental stuff over now? Might be something to consider.

By her I mean your sister. Obviously your mom should stay put until necessary.

Clearly thinking more than 30 seconds ahead of myself is currently asking too much.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 27, 2017 • 7:43:43pm

Not a bad thread:

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lawhawk  Aug 27, 2017 • 7:43:52pm

re: #481 jaunte

Stay safe!

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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2017 • 7:46:32pm

re: #482 lawhawk

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Commuted. Aka still on their record. Fuck off Fox.

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jaunte  Aug 27, 2017 • 7:47:28pm

DERPICANE

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 27, 2017 • 7:48:04pm

re: #492 jaunte

Nope. Definitely not drunk enough to watch that.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 27, 2017 • 7:48:31pm

re: #493 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I could be dying of alcohol poisoning and still not drunk enough.

(Note: I am not dying of alcohol poisoning.)

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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2017 • 7:50:21pm

re: #492 jaunte

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DERPICANE

So much brain power there, //

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wheat-dogg  Aug 27, 2017 • 7:50:25pm

re: #492 jaunte

We can take solace in Rage Furby appearing on Infowars and not some respectable media program.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2017 • 7:51:01pm

re: #496 wheat-dogg

We can take solace in Rage Furby appearing on Infowars and not some respectable media program.

That’s true. Too bad Trump has legitimized Infowars though.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 27, 2017 • 7:51:06pm

re: #496 wheat-dogg

We can take solace in Rage Furby appearing on Infowars and not some respectable media program.

Yeah, it means Kelly has a small chance of heading it off before it makes it to Trump’s eyes.

Hahahahah I’m gonna go sob in a corner now.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 27, 2017 • 7:53:02pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 27, 2017 • 7:53:10pm

re: #492 jaunte

Ain’t no way I would waste any time to watch that pair of assholes!

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jaunte  Aug 27, 2017 • 7:53:35pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2017 • 7:53:41pm

re: #500 Joe Bacon 🌹

Ain’t no way I would waste any time to watch that pair of assholes!

I’d rather go to the dentist.

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austin_blue  Aug 27, 2017 • 7:54:10pm

re: #489 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Not a bad thread:

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We’re in your neck of the woods (Montclair) this weekend. Went to the counter-demonstration today at Oxford & Addison and then went to Saul’s for brunch. Loud, fun, great signs, and a great vibe. Loves me some Berzerkly!

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gocart mozart  Aug 27, 2017 • 7:54:57pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 27, 2017 • 7:55:10pm

re: #502 HappyWarrior

I’d rather go to the dentist.

Happy I have to go to the dentist tomorrow for a crown prep and possibly a root canal as well.

And YES, I would rather do that than waste any time with the Ass and Hole show!

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gocart mozart  Aug 27, 2017 • 7:55:10pm
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teleskiguy  Aug 27, 2017 • 7:55:48pm

☹️

What a depressing weekend.

Threw the Red Cross a twenty spot today, rode my bike 10 miles.

I’m still sad.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2017 • 7:55:48pm

re: #504 gocart mozart

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Whatever fascist fuck, we’ve defeated fucks like you before and we’ll gladly do it again and you’ll go crying back to Hungary.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 27, 2017 • 7:56:04pm

re: #503 austin_blue

nVlyC/UJY0G9wo/HIIQXIRSheW1I0H/5JmOP0L7Co92eaEiOCSzRgSw/GNlK/pjE9dn0MT0L307UiwnmvArM2duSycEli1QmvkXJA3UXic7cvzKdaFPql0MOAy/drjzXIgCafNH2Lhhpx5exLV1ktv0fxiQ0i03IwcU/+Aa8+0Xj6bmZD5QoNxuCqgcj14zKYkbCUHboVbQqU+susuD5oFUlVwpNrRZFXVj7PzXZixivp1Q2SHR+Qg==

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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2017 • 7:56:18pm

re: #506 gocart mozart

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Yep.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2017 • 7:56:58pm

re: #507 teleskiguy

☹️

What a depressing weekend.

Threw the Red Cross a twenty spot today, rode my bike 10 miles.

I’m still sad.

There have been some moving stories of bravery and compassion but I hear you. It’s been a pretty numbing weekend even though I did get to see some family I haven’t seen in a while.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 27, 2017 • 7:57:00pm

re: #504 gocart mozart

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Somebody should tell Nazi GorKKKa that we know what is coming down the pike for him—indictments for him and his fellow Russian stooges!

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austin_blue  Aug 27, 2017 • 7:59:21pm

re: #509 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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Back to Austin on Wednesday. Only around 6” so far at our house. So, wet but safe.

Poor, poor Houston. My heart goes out to them all. It’s a slow-motion disaster.

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gocart mozart  Aug 27, 2017 • 8:01:30pm

re: #499 Charles Johnson

I repurpose JFK quotes to better serve humanity

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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2017 • 8:02:36pm

re: #514 gocart mozart

I repurpose JFK quotes to better serve humanity

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Hahaha, I’m familiar with the Kennedy quote and this is a brilliant spin on it.

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allegro  Aug 27, 2017 • 8:03:35pm

re: #473 Stanley Sea

Allegro, please keep us updated!

Read this just as I was able to exhale again. Another round of seriously heavy rain that seemed to go on forever. Just out if the worst of it now and doesn’t look like anything big behind it on the radar. For now.

Good news is we aren’t under water tonight like we were last night. Bad news is that a whole lot of other people are and it’s heartbreaking to watch. I’m feeling some “survivor’s guilt”. My nerves may be raw but we’re safe and dry, have power, WINE, everything we need. Would that we all be so fortunate.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 27, 2017 • 8:04:30pm

re: #501 jaunte

Alicia Plunkett is saving bats from drowning in Houston, as water reaches the top of bridges

As the receding water turns to mosquito heaven you’re really going to want those bats.

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allegro  Aug 27, 2017 • 8:09:47pm

re: #475 Eclectic Cyborg

Holy FUCK.

Not even Katrina did shit like that.

These are people who live at the edge of Addicks Reservoir who are informed that this can happen when water has to be released from the reservoir to protect the dam integrity. It’s happened before - last year if I’m not mistaken.

Sure sucked the way they’re doing it though. Decision/announcement was made at like 7pm that they are doing it tonight starting at 2am. Just a few hours notice and in the midst of torrential rain. Those folks in the area about to be flooded have precious little notice to get out. Seems a bit more warning, earlier in the day during the storm lull would have been damn friendly of them.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 27, 2017 • 8:12:52pm

re: #504 gocart mozart

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They have potus, senate & house.

And they feel the need to gear up.

Fascism. no more.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 27, 2017 • 8:18:18pm

re: #518 allegro

These are people who live at the edge of Addicks Reservoir who are informed that this can happen when water has to be released from the reservoir to protect the dam integrity. It’s happened before - last year if I’m not mistaken.

Sure sucked the way they’re doing it though. Decision/announcement was made at like 7pm that they are doing it tonight starting at 2am. Just a few hours notice and in the midst of torrential rain. Those folks in the area about to be flooded have precious little notice to get out. Seems a bit more warning, earlier in the day during the storm lull would have been damn friendly of them.

From my reading today those dams have been classified as “catastrophic risk” and priority 1 since 2009, with the knowledge that if the flooding exceeded a certain point the dams would have to release water in order to avoid catastrophic failure. The Corp doubled the amount of water that could be released at that point with little fanfare to alert the homeowners, etc. downstream and downgraded the flood these dams could handle to a 25 year event, instead of a 1000 year event.

Needless to say they did not publicize this to the homeowners like you might think they should.

I have …opinions on how much flood insurance should cover (namely, flood multiple times within a set time period (subject to discussion and reasonable exemption) and no, I don’t think the taxpayers should be on the hook for rebuilding your home anymore) but even I can acknowledge that a lot of the folks being hit by this are ones who really wouldn’t have thought about this risk and didn’t have any real reason to be concerned in their minds.

(I say this as someone who has priced what flood insurance would be for my house here in CA. Yes, you can laugh. For my location it would be close to $600 a year and the only way we would flood is if the dam fails, likely following an earthquake. I sympathize.)

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Decatur Deb  Aug 27, 2017 • 8:25:28pm

re: #520 klys (maker of Silmarils)

From my reading today those dams have been classified as “catastrophic risk” and priority 1 since 2009, with the knowledge that if the flooding exceeded a certain point the dams would have to release water in order to avoid catastrophic failure. The Corp doubled the amount of water that could be released at that point with little fanfare to alert the homeowners, etc. downstream and downgraded the flood these dams could handle to a 25 year event, instead of a 1000 year event.

Needless to say they did not publicize this to the homeowners like you might think they should.

I have …opinions on how much flood insurance should cover (namely, flood multiple times within a set time period (subject to discussion and reasonable exemption) and no, I don’t think the taxpayers should be on the hook for rebuilding your home anymore) but even I can acknowledge that a lot of the folks being hit by this are ones who really wouldn’t have thought about this risk and didn’t have any real reason to be concerned in their minds.

(I say this as someone who has priced what flood insurance would be for my house here in CA. Yes, you can laugh. For my location it would be close to $600 a year and the only way we would flood is if the dam fails, likely following an earthquake. I sympathize.)

The Army is responsible for a lot of “problem” dams, many on installations, many quire small.

usace.army.mil

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Decatur Deb  Aug 27, 2017 • 8:27:13pm

Oh, look!! Alabama has a new monument just down the road.

Confederate monument to unknown soldiers unveiled in Alabama

washingtonpost.com

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Aug 27, 2017 • 8:28:30pm

re: #521 Decatur Deb

The Army is responsible for a lot of “problem” dams, many on installations, many quire small.

usace.army.mil

Oh yes, but there were six in the country that were deemed the “most dangerous” in terms of condition and potential consequences and these were two on that list.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 27, 2017 • 8:30:28pm

re: #523 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Oh yes, but there were six in the country that were deemed the “most dangerous” in terms of condition and potential consequences and these were two on that list.

Yup. And this is how they made the list.

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sagehen  Aug 27, 2017 • 8:45:26pm

re: #472 HappyWarrior

I’ve felt this way since Obama got elected. I thought Obama’s election was going to be the start of something real special but it woke up some ugliness and the left either turned their back on him when things weren’t perfect or ran away from him when things got ugly. The left, we need to realize yeah we have some differences but liberalism to me is ultimately about making the world a better place for the successive generations. I hope we can do that for my niece.

The left… has a limited horizon. They were super-activist through leading up to the civil rights act and voting rights act; then (mostly centered by anti-war anti-draft activism) kept it up through Medicare, EPA, OSHA, Roe v Wade, lowering the voting age, and ending the draft.

When the draft ended… that’s when the left yelled “Mission Accomplished!” and went home. They didn’t understand about needing to stay involved, consolidate gains, etc. That’s why the ERA failed, and everything’s been backsliding since. Slowly at first, then pretty rapidly the last few years.

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John_Manyjars  Aug 28, 2017 • 12:21:12pm

re: #183 HappyWarrior

Call me when the ‘far left’ start driving their cars into unarmed women.


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