And Now, a Massively Funky Jam From KNOWER: “Overtime” (Live in Some Guy’s House)

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This take was recorded live in some guys house in LA july 2017. Searing hot. Louis Cole - Drums, Genevieve Artadi - singing
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Rai Thistlethwayte - keyboard, Sam Wilkes - bass, Sam Gendel - saxophone

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jaunte  Aug 29, 2017 • 8:55:50pm
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jaunte  Aug 29, 2017 • 8:56:01pm
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jaunte  Aug 29, 2017 • 8:58:41pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:00:35pm

re: #1 jaunte

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My Dad had the pleasure of meeting her and her parents while waiting tables. Said she and her folks were genuinely nice people. Props Sandra. A lot of people could learn from your generosity.

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JordanRules  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:00:58pm

re: #3 jaunte

Well alright Mayor Turner, that’s a logistical update we can smile about!

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jaunte  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:03:19pm

Five ton Army trucks flooded up to the roofs

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HappyWarrior  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:03:50pm

re: #6 jaunte

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Five ton Army trucks flooded up to the roofs

And yet we saw Trump today bragging about the crowd he got. Tone deaf motherfucker.

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jaunte  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:05:44pm
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Jay C  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:08:15pm

re: #3 jaunte

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This is true: I saw today’s Harvey update on the evening news, and it looked like getting supplies of *stuff* to displaced residents was the least of anyone’s problems: there were piles of goods everywhere, it seemed- of course, getting it properly distributed is another issue : and it’s probable that returning people to their homes (where they still exist) is going to take a lot longer than previously thought. But by and large, it looks like the death count (by, say, Katrina standards) is going to be relatively modest fit the number of people affected. Thank goodness.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:09:43pm

re: #8 jaunte

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Jesus. This is so awful.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:11:09pm

re: #7 HappyWarrior

And yet we saw Trump today bragging about the crowd he got. Tone deaf motherfucker.

We’ve got a potus who doesn’t give a shit for anyone who isn’t cheering.

He’s damaged & we were warned.

National catastrophe + NK, the bots, & the Russia investigation breathing down his neck?

They sense a weakness. I’m a bit worried.

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:11:42pm

Donald Trump isn’t going to like this one at all.

Defense Secretary Mattis basically just gave Trump the middle finger on his anti-transgender policy edict regarding military service.

Mattis freezes transgender policy; allows troops to continue serving, pending study

WASHINGTON — Defense Secretary Jim Mattis late Tuesday announced that transgender troops will be allowed to continue serving in the military pending the results of a study by experts.

The announcement follows an order from President Trump — first announced in a tweet — declaring that transgender service members can no longer serve in the military, effectively reversing an Obama administration policy. The order also affects the Department of Homeland Security, which houses the Coast Guard.

“Once the panel reports its recommendations and following my consultation with the secretary of Homeland Security, I will provide my advice to the president concerning implementation of his policy direction,” Mattis said in the statement. “In the interim, current policy with respect to currently serving members will remain in place.”

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HappyWarrior  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:11:54pm

re: #11 Stanley Sea

We’ve got a potus who doesn’t give a shit for anyone who isn’t cheering.

He’s damaged & we were warned.

National catastrophe + NK, the bots, & the Russia investigation breathing down his neck?

They sense a weakness. I’m a bit worried.

I am too. I don’t trust him at all to handle an international crisis.

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bratwurst  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:12:57pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:12:58pm

re: #12 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

Donald Trump isn’t going to like this one at all.

Defense Secretary Mattis basically just gave Trump the middle finger on his anti-transgender policy edict regarding military service.

Mattis freezes transgender policy; allows troops to continue serving, pending study

Can’t wait to hear all the armchair patriots to tell Mattis, a USMC lifer that he doesn’t understand the military and Trump does.

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jaunte  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:13:09pm

Got a little grumpy on twitter earlier with someone who was posting about development within the Addicks reservoir. It seemed an odd, kind of victim-blaming thing to fix on given the overall scale of this unprecedented rainfall disaster.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:13:26pm

Another one

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HappyWarrior  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:13:33pm

re: #14 bratwurst

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Nor music or Cats with apologies to the Lovin Spoonful.

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JordanRules  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:14:09pm

re: #11 Stanley Sea

Me too! I feel like we are so vulnerable as a nation state right now. His support is eroding and that narcissistic injury may cause him to lash out in unimaginable ways.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:14:47pm

re: #16 jaunte

Got a little grumpy on twitter earlier with someone who was posting about development within the Addicks reservoir. It seemed an odd, kind of victim-blaming thing to fix on given the overall scale of this unprecedented rainfall disaster.

Anyone who blames the victims is a trumper/lacker of empathy.

So fucking #sad the people we are neighbors to.

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jaunte  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:16:25pm

re: #20 Stanley Sea

I mean, I get the point that that particular flood control reservoir could be bigger and more effective. But it wouldn’t mean a thing to the people flooded out by the Brazos or Trinity rivers. Or anyone between Houston and Beaumont.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:16:45pm

re: #17 FormerDirtDart

Another one

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We saw the video. That asshole is guilty as sin.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:17:22pm

re: #20 Stanley Sea

Anyone who blames the victims is a trumper/lacker of empathy.

So fucking #sad the people we are neighbors to.

The lack of empathy is killing us right now whether it’s Native Americans opposing pipelines on ancestral burial ground, The lack of understanding what having to fund a memorial celebrating men who fought to preserve slavery means for black people, or Hispanic children being taunted and told to go home to Mexico.

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JordanRules  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:17:48pm

re: #17 FormerDirtDart

Looking a lil olive skinned there bruh. Shall we run a DNA test you hateful American Nazi terrorist!?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:18:42pm

I saw some comments defending the asshole who called the cops on the people taking food from the grocery store. A lot of “Looters need to be shot.”

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teleskiguy  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:20:01pm

Three people have died on this mountain inside of a week. All three fell somewhere in the middle of this photograph.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:20:32pm

But yeah somehow having to face a demographically changing country is more oppressive than what I mentioned earlier.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:20:44pm

re: #12 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

Donald Trump isn’t going to like this one at all.

Defense Secretary Mattis basically just gave Trump the middle finger on his anti-transgender policy edict regarding military service.

Mattis freezes transgender policy; allows troops to continue serving, pending study

Mattis is doing exactly what he was directed to do.
He was told to not allow entry into the service any additional trans personnel. He’s doing that.
He was given 6 months to determine if trans personnel currently serving could be retained without being a detriment to readiness and not present an undo fiscal burden. And, he appears to be doing just that.

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KGxvi  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:21:22pm

re: #24 JordanRules

Looking a lil olive skinned there bruh. Shall we run a DNA test you hateful American Nazi terrorist!?

Reminds me of this:

Racist Cobb Finds Out He Has Some Black In Him

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JordanRules  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:22:38pm

re: #16 jaunte

What you’ve watched unfold in your city is crazy. Getting snippy is a blessing at this point. Exercise it! Folks with hot takes that essentially just punch down always step out in their righteousness during these types of disasters not realizing it makes them look stupid, short-sighted and generally of the GOP destructive, asshole variety.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:22:59pm

Guys I genuinely worry about my niece who is Hispanic being bullied as she gets older. Fortunately she hasn’t been at preschool but I still do worry about it. Just as I worry for my sil and her extended family. This country is as much theirs as it is mine.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:25:32pm

re: #29 KGxvi

Reminds me of this:

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I don’t know what I love more; the older lady laughing hysterically or the attempted fist bump. And honestly I wish i had something like that in my results but I’m pretty much universally European.

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jaunte  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:25:37pm

re: #30 JordanRules

This is what I was reacting to. Given that the federal government owns the reservoir, it’s factually wrong, and petty, relative to the scale of the downpour.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:26:30pm

re: #31 HappyWarrior

Guys I genuinely worry about my niece who is Hispanic being bullied as she gets older. Fortunately she hasn’t been at preschool but I still do worry about it. Just as I worry for my sil and her extended family. This country is as much theirs as it is mine.

Don’t worry. Protect & educate.

She’ll be strong & tough, ending up better.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:27:00pm

re: #31 HappyWarrior

Guys I genuinely worry about my niece who is Hispanic being bullied as she gets older. Fortunately she hasn’t been at preschool but I still do worry about it. Just as I worry for my sil and her extended family. This country is as much theirs as it is mine.

I still remember all the bullying directed at me when I was in grade school that got a lot worse in high school. And some of the bullying came from teachers and football coaches. Still remember when my 3rd grade teacher made fun of my Afro hair and she called me “N-Word” head. That stuck with me until the day I walked out of Concentration Camp High School for the last time…

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:27:10pm

re: #12 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

Donald Trump isn’t going to like this one at all.

Defense Secretary Mattis basically just gave Trump the middle finger on his anti-transgender policy edict regarding military service.

Mattis freezes transgender policy; allows troops to continue serving, pending study

I disagree. Trump doesn’t really care what happens to currently serving trans soldiers and he purposely left this up to Mattis & the military commanders because he’s a coward who wanted some plausible distance from any final decision to kick actual flesh and blood volunteer soldiers out of the armed forces. Trump satisfied his social conservative base and his own need to undo Obama’s legacy by banning new trans recruits & trans specific medical care by the military and that’s all he really intended to accomplish.

Now he may well get pissed off down the line if the military comes back and says allowing trans soldiers not only isn’t disruptive to operations or morale but that it bolsters military readiness and offers a tangible competitive strategic advantage by creating more qualified applicants within the highly sought after cyber warfare vacancies the military can’t fill enough of.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:27:38pm

Again, I’ll say. The one sliver of silver lining in this is the wall is toast.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:28:40pm

re: #34 Stanley Sea

Don’t worry. Protect & educate.

She’ll be strong & tough, ending up better.

I know my brother and sil will do well there. Her godfather is African American and my brother is open minded to people of all cultures.

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JordanRules  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:29:17pm

re: #33 jaunte

Petty indeed. I saw that line of reasoning earlier. Lived in Houston almost 2 years (not long after Allison) but definitely don’t have the info to speak on it with enough knowledge.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:30:02pm

re: #35 Joe Bacon 🌹

I still remember all the bullying directed at me when I was in grade school that got a lot worse in high school. And some of the bullying came from teachers and football coaches. Still remember when my 3rd grade teacher made fun of my Afro hair and she called me “N-Word” head. That stuck with me until the day I walked out of Concentration Camp High School for the last time…

It’s amazing how hurtful people can be isn’t it? And yet some think bullying is socially acceptable.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:30:37pm

re: #38 HappyWarrior

I know my brother and sil will do well there. Her godfather is African American and my brother is open minded to people of all cultures.

Then don’t worry. We are America, the melting pot. Forget who’s in power.

The pot will win.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:31:37pm

re: #41 Stanley Sea

Then don’t worry. We are America, the melting pot. Forget who’s in power.

The pot will win.

Damn right. I just hate hearing stories about kids being made to feel this way in their country. That’s not America.

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JordanRules  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:31:56pm

re: #41 Stanley Sea

The pot will win.

We gotta legalize it everywhere first! ;)

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jaunte  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:34:13pm

re: #39 JordanRules

I agree that Houston would be a better place if it had better drainage. The day bodies are being hauled out of the water it’s hard to be receptive to advice.

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JordanRules  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:37:13pm

re: #44 jaunte

I think most cities would say the same and yeah right now it just doesn’t rate as particularly helpful when you are in real time disaster mode.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:38:11pm
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Stanley Sea  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:40:40pm

Where’s Allegro & the woman who works at the sr. home? (dang if i forget her nic)

BlugrlTX checked in.

Who else?

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retired cynic  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:41:25pm

You know, I posted above about our flood in 1993, and said it was 14 years ago. My God, it was 24 years ago. I’m old.

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BigPapa  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:42:16pm

Ok Charles, I have to admit I had to listen to that more than once to understand the massively funky vs super lush ratios. Still computing…

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electrotek  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:42:17pm

Gotta love hypocritical dipshit pastors like this:

Facebook Post

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:42:55pm

re: #33 jaunte

This is what I was reacting to. Given that the federal government owns the reservoir, it’s factually wrong, and petty, relative to the scale of the downpour.

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Not clear why you assume the Federal government owns the land that, according to the linked article the Army Corps of Engineers considers to be ‘within the reservoir’. Basically that would encompass all the land behind the dam up to the height of the dam. But it’s a flood control reservoir, not a freshwater storage reservoir.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:43:27pm

My wife is on the phone to Russia right now telling our sister-in-law her hub in Houston is okay. She was very worried because she could not get through to her hub (no phone service where he is staying in Danbury, TX) and getting all sorts of lurid coverage about Hurricane Harvey on Russian television.

She was relieved to hear from us. She knows now she can pass messages to us via phone (she has no Internet service).

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jaunte  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:45:12pm

re: #51 Blind Frog Belly White

The reservoir is owned by the U. S. Government and operated, in conjunction with the nearby Barker Reservoir, by the U. S. Army Corps of Engineers to prevent downstream flooding of Buffalo Bayou in the City of Houston.
twdb.texas.gov

I assumed this meant they owned the land within the reservoir.

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unproven innocence  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:45:40pm

re: #46 Stanley Sea

Looks like there’s barely room for a bicycle between many of those homes. One consequence of lack of zoning regulations, I guess. The flooding is awful of course.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:47:54pm

re: #54 unproven innocence

Looks like there’s barely room for a bicycle between many of those homes. One consequence of lack of zoning regulations, I guess. The flooding is awful of course.

McMansionitis

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teleskiguy  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:48:20pm

The current president* can fuck himself with a big rubber dick.

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mmmirele  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:48:29pm

Well, my, I got completely distracted by the Nashville Statement brouhaha. I copied over a list of the initial signers (154) into a spreadsheet and started slicing and dicing. I discovered a few things. None of this should be surprising to any of us.

Sex of signers:
Male: 139
Female: 15

Race of signers:
White: 138
Asian: 2
Black: 7
Middle Eastern: 1
Hispanic: 2
No picture: 4
(ETA: Yes, by God, if I didn’t know who they were, and sometimes even if I did, I looked up a picture just to be sure.)

Number of white males who signed: 124 (or 80.5 percent)

Number of signers who are on Trump’s Evangelical council: 5
*James Dobson
*James Robison
*Ronnie Floyd
*Richard Land
*Jack Graham

Number of signers who covered up child sex abuse at Covenant Life Church, Gaithersburg, MD: 1
*CJ Mahaney

(Yes, I have an itch about Mahaney, what he covered up was horrible. Google Nate Morales for more details.)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:49:31pm

re: #53 jaunte

I assumed this meant they owned the land within the reservoir.

From the linked article:

Addicks and Barker were originally built solely to protect against flooding in Buffalo Bayou that would impact west and downtown Houston. The Army Corps built them in the 1940s in an area that was pretty much totally undeveloped. The agency had hoped to buy even more land to build the reservoirs on, plus extra land as an additional buffer, but that never happened.

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JordanRules  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:50:04pm

re: #57 mmmirele

Wow. Thank you for that breakdown mmmirele!

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jaunte  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:50:27pm

re: #58 Blind Frog Belly White

The reservoirs could be bigger.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:50:32pm

Karma. Reports that the home of Tony Perkins was destroyed? Guess that means he’s gay.

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teleskiguy  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:51:00pm

re: #57 mmmirele

That’s good data! Good show!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:51:02pm

re: #58 Blind Frog Belly White

From the linked article:

This is what you get when the unfathomable happens. Much as I hate to say, “Who could have predicted”, who could have predicted this?

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jaunte  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:51:22pm

Things coulda happened differently, but they didn’t.

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teleskiguy  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:51:52pm

re: #64 jaunte

Things coulda happened differently, but they didn’t.

MOAR SUBURBIA!!!

Oy.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:51:53pm

re: #36 goddamnedfrank

I agree, Trump wanted to be able to point at the Pentagon and say “See, they determined ‘those people’ are a hindrance to readiness”
The problem is that his administration has again produced a document vague enough to deny them what they really want.
Additionally, I don’t think they are fully aware of the bed of worms they’ve dug up with the “deployability” argument. At any given moment there are literally tens of thousands of service members who are non-deployable, even when you discount the battle injured, for a variety of reasons. From dental problems to training & sports injuries to even cancer.

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jaunte  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:52:12pm

When the tsunami wipes out Seattle, people will be wondering why all those folks didn’t just move to someplace higher.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:52:20pm

re: #40 HappyWarrior

It’s amazing how hurtful people can be isn’t it? And yet some think bullying is socially acceptable.

45th High School Reunion coming up next year. I’ve never wasted any time going to any of them and I don’t believe I ever will. Some of those pricks have tried to friend me on Facebook but I’ve blocked those who got pleasure out of bullying me. I’ve heard the bullshit about forgiving them but I won’t.

Still remember the Libertarians telling me that my experience is proof that we should go to a voucher system for schools. Wouldnt have worked for me because there was no alternative school in the area where I lived in Western PA except for a Catholic school which my parents would never have let me set a foot in!

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:55:05pm

re: #67 jaunte

When the tsunami wipes out Seattle, people will be wondering why all those folks didn’t just move to someplace higher.

On a non-disaster subject, kind of like what liberals living in conservative areas get, “why don’t you move someplace else?”

That “why don’t you move” argument is pretty much a non-starter no matter how it’s applied.

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jaunte  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:55:14pm

I’m in a bad mood because I just found out one of my son’s childhood friends drowned in the flood.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:55:34pm

re: #64 jaunte

Things coulda happened differently, but they didn’t.

Yep. And there are reasons why, like there was no reason to expect THIS.

I’ve seen rain here that was coming down so hard that I couldn’t see the ginormous Eucalyptus tree 150 feet away. The creek behind my house, which drains about 2 miles of canyon, ran 8’ deep, vs the usual trickle. Luckily, the rain only lasted about an hour at that intensity. There’s an earthen flood control dam half a mile upstream. I’m curious how deep the water was behind it.

If we had to withstand 4’ of rain in 4 days? Lord only knows.

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teleskiguy  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:55:53pm

re: #70 jaunte

{{{{{{{jaunte}}}}}}}

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jaunte  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:56:40pm

re: #72 teleskiguy

Thanks. Though I’m very peripheral.

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JordanRules  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:56:45pm

re: #70 jaunte

Oh my gosh. I’m so sorry jaunte.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:57:01pm

re: #70 jaunte

I’m in a bad mood because I just found out one of my son’s childhood friends drowned in the flood.

I am terribly sorry for your son’s loss. That is terrible.

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jaunte  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:57:08pm

Alex was his name. Send good thoughts.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:57:24pm

re: #67 jaunte

When the tsunami wipes out Seattle, people will be wondering why all those folks didn’t just move to someplace higher.

When the [disaster] wipes out [major city], people will be wondering why all those folks didn’t just move to someplace [else].

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:57:35pm

re: #70 jaunte

So sorry to hear that.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:57:51pm

re: #70 jaunte

I’m in a bad mood because I just found out one of my son’s childhood friends drowned in the flood.

Nooooooooooo

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 29, 2017 • 9:58:21pm

re: #70 jaunte

Sorry, man. No words.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 29, 2017 • 10:00:03pm

re: #68 Joe Bacon 🌹

I’ve never been invited to any of my class reunions. They don’t want to have anything to do with me. That’s fine with me.

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teleskiguy  Aug 29, 2017 • 10:00:17pm

I don’t know anyone personally from Houston. In fact, almost everyone I know that lived in Texas doesn’t live there anymore. But I know a handful of Houstonian Lizards that have shared their experiences on this board, and the eyes on the ground have proven valuable and life-affirming. The heartbreak and devastation is only beginning, and all I can do is empathize. What a mess.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 29, 2017 • 10:00:22pm

re: #70 jaunte

I’m in a bad mood because I just found out one of my son’s childhood friends drowned in the flood.

So sorry to hear…

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JordanRules  Aug 29, 2017 • 10:01:19pm

re: #82 teleskiguy

Well said.

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teleskiguy  Aug 29, 2017 • 10:01:29pm
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Kragar  Aug 29, 2017 • 10:04:54pm

re: #12 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

Donald Trump isn’t going to like this one at all.

Defense Secretary Mattis basically just gave Trump the middle finger on his anti-transgender policy edict regarding military service.

Mattis freezes transgender policy; allows troops to continue serving, pending study

For those of you who don’t speak Marine, this is how you tactfully tell a superior to fuck off.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 29, 2017 • 10:05:41pm

I wonder if the city of Nashville can sue that collection of radical theocratic right wing extremists, who issued a fatwa against American citizens, for defamation along the grounds of possibly losing billions of dollars in tourist revenue, due to the use of the city’s name?

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electrotek  Aug 29, 2017 • 10:08:16pm

Spend more time freaking out over halal meat than they do feeding the homeless that they love to exploit as a convenient talking point.

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retired cynic  Aug 29, 2017 • 10:09:24pm

re: #88 electrotek

Sticks and stones, but words?

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Stanley Sea  Aug 29, 2017 • 10:15:14pm

Probably posted, but in case

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wheat-dogg  Aug 29, 2017 • 10:15:20pm

re: #88 electrotek

I guess eating halal chicken means you become a Muslim. Who knew?

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electrotek  Aug 29, 2017 • 10:15:23pm

re: #89 retired cynic

Sticks and stones, but words?

This shows that America isn’t alone in stupidity and ignorance:

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Stanley Sea  Aug 29, 2017 • 10:15:52pm

re: #91 wheat-dogg

I guess eating halal chicken means you become a Muslim. Who knew?

I bet if you asked…

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electrotek  Aug 29, 2017 • 10:16:58pm

The Stormfront thing reminded me of a well-known forum in the early 2000s that was a cesspool of Islamic extremists.

Anyone remember ClearGuidance? God that place was despicable, so glad it’s no longer around.

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retired cynic  Aug 29, 2017 • 10:17:37pm

re: #90 Stanley Sea

Probably posted, but in case

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Unbelievable.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 29, 2017 • 10:17:51pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 29, 2017 • 10:19:35pm

re: #88 electrotek

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Spend more time freaking out over halal meat than they do feeding the homeless that they love to exploit as a convenient talking point.

Doesn’t the alleged British Wingnut know that the Colonel’s secret recipe of special herbs and spices includes reading from the Qur’an? Wait, KFC doesn’t butcher chickens, halal or not.

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jaunte  Aug 29, 2017 • 10:19:36pm
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wheat-dogg  Aug 29, 2017 • 10:20:11pm

re: #92 electrotek

She seems especially upset by how meat animals are slaughtered, but clearly has no idea how non-halal (or non-kosher) animals are.

Hint: it is not by lethal injection.

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William Lewis  Aug 29, 2017 • 10:21:40pm

re: #76 jaunte

Alex was his name. Send good thoughts.

I’ll stop by my church and light a candle for his memory. Perhaps as a prayer for all the victims, known & unknown, and their family’s losses wrapped up in Alex’s name.

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teleskiguy  Aug 29, 2017 • 10:22:38pm

re: #99 wheat-dogg

She seems especially upset by how meat animals are slaughtered, but clearly has no idea how non-halal (or non-kosher) animals are.

Hint: it is not by lethal injection.

Giphy

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 29, 2017 • 10:27:32pm

re: #99 wheat-dogg

She seems especially upset by how meat animals are slaughtered, but clearly has no idea how non-halal (or non-kosher) animals are.

Hint: it is not by lethal injection.

Ask her if she’s ever been to Nebraska, where I guarantee the ranchers and butchers around here don’t kill cattle by any halal method. Or hunters blowing Canada geese out of the sky with shotguns. Or fishers yanking a hook through the jaw of a fish.

Or a mountain lion taking down a rabbit (or my neighbour taking down a rabbit). Turns out when you eat critters, the killing part tends to be messy.

That might be from the great number of people who no longer see how they actually get their food. They see a sterile cellophane wrapped pork chop and have no idea how that got there.

That doesn’t mean ranchers mistreat their animals though. At least around here they are very well treated.

As for wildlife, I imagine a halal killing of a steer (which I am sure has nothing to do with KFC) is no worse than me running over a deer tonight with my car, and the steer will get eaten. The deer went to waste.

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jaunte  Aug 29, 2017 • 10:27:35pm
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Stanley Sea  Aug 29, 2017 • 10:27:38pm

re: #95 retired cynic

Unbelievable.

I’ve been watching over and over.

Amazing. Focused on Harvey at the end - check :30 - A lizard, or a frog?

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Stanley Sea  Aug 29, 2017 • 10:32:03pm

re: #103 jaunte

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Whooo

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prairiefire  Aug 29, 2017 • 10:32:38pm

re: #70 jaunte

Oh, no! So sorry, Juante!

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JordanRules  Aug 29, 2017 • 10:36:54pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 29, 2017 • 10:38:25pm

re: #94 electrotek

The Stormfront thing reminded me of a well-known forum in the early 2000s that was a cesspool of Islamic extremists.

Anyone remember ClearGuidance? God that place was despicable, so glad it’s no longer around.

There is an archive of all their posts, if you care to wade through the muck.

clearguidance.blogspot.com

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 29, 2017 • 10:46:57pm

re: #92 electrotek

This shows that America isn’t alone in stupidity and ignorance:

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So, does Halal preparation violate any Christian tenets?

No?

Then fuck off.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 29, 2017 • 10:48:14pm

re: #107 JordanRules

pure

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Stanley Sea  Aug 29, 2017 • 10:51:14pm

OK, found another. The birth of that guy with the innocent name

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jaunte  Aug 29, 2017 • 10:53:11pm

Hurricane Harvey: Indian student Nikhil Bhatia dies in US

HOUSTON: A 24-year-old Indian student has died after he nearly drowned in a swollen lake in the US state of Texas where Hurricane Harvey wreaked havoc.

Nikhil Bhatia, a student at the Texas A&M University, was rescued from the Lake Bryan, where he along with another Indian girl Shalini Singh had gone swimming, on Saturday.

Bhatia succumbed to his injuries today while Singh continues to be in a critical condition, according to the Consulate officials, who were in regular touch with the family members in hospital and in India.

Bhatia, originally from Jaipur, along with his friend Singh, 25, from New Delhi, was pursuing Master in Public health were both brought to the local hospital in a critical condition.

According to their friends and some witnesses, the two were swimming in the lake. A sudden current of water pushed them deeper and the students noticed that they were in distress and flagged down nearby police officers.

Bryan Police officers were able to rescue and provide CPR to the victims until medics arrived, according to Bryan Mayor Andrew Nelson.
newindianexpress.com

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 29, 2017 • 10:53:40pm

re: #102 Anymouse 🌹

For any animal to live, something must die.

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teleskiguy  Aug 29, 2017 • 10:59:16pm

Well worth the read.

Facebook Post

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 29, 2017 • 10:59:58pm

On Arapiao calling Judge Snow a “liberal” (just about the worst insult a conservative can come up with) - thread:

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William Lewis  Aug 29, 2017 • 11:02:40pm

re: #113 Blind Frog Belly White

For any animal to live, something must die.

Even if vat grown meat becomes reality, there is still death on a cellular level. And, shhhh top secret, even vegans have to kill plants and probably insects too.

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jaunte  Aug 29, 2017 • 11:03:15pm
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JordanRules  Aug 29, 2017 • 11:03:36pm

Pretty sure this was the plot to a Whoopi Goldberg movie too.

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jaunte  Aug 29, 2017 • 11:08:19pm

Port Arthur TX needs help
twitter.com

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 29, 2017 • 11:09:46pm

So, Joel Olsteen made a big deal of showing air mattresses dragged into his church, and it appears people moved on.

Did Rev. Grifter actually let people into his church, or did he stage a “clean dishwashing” like Paul Ryan?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 29, 2017 • 11:10:24pm

I had to poke.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 29, 2017 • 11:15:03pm

re: #116 William Lewis

Even if vat grown meat becomes reality, there is still death on a cellular level. And, shhhh top secret, even vegans have to kill plants and probably insects too.

Vat grown meat. Right.

Let me tell you about cell culture. Cells in your body grow into…well, your body, because they not only receive nutrients and oxygen constantly, but also because they receive both notices from the home office (in the form of hormones and such), but also messages from their neighbors (the cellular microenvironment), some of which only gets passed from their neighboring cells.

We struggle to replicate this for cancer cells without resorting to ‘cheating’, in the form of animal serum. I won’t go into how the must widely used form is obtained, but suffice to say, we are unable to say that no animals are harmed in the process. This is to make cancer cells grow - you know, the ones that kill people because the won’t stop growing?

Normal cells? They’re MUCH, MUCH tougher. They don’t want to keep growing, because if they did, they’d be cancer cells. They want to reach a certain stage and stop. They have all sorts of mechanisms telling them to stop. It takes a number of different growth factors and hormones just to keep them from dying, let alone flourishing, and they’re very expensive.

So, sure, maybe we’ll be able to grow meat in vats some day. It’ll be WAY, WAY more expensive and energy intensive than you can imagine. Way more expensive than the most expensive cut off an actual animal.

As an aside, a couple of us were discussing Chicken McNuggets, years ago, suggesting that you could grow them in vitro, if you had the right kind of cells. “Sarcoma McNuggets’.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 29, 2017 • 11:16:44pm
“Nicholas Sarwark, chair of the Libertarian National Committee, expresses the heartfelt sympathy of the Libertarian Party to the victims of Hurricane Harvey in Texas and Louisiana, to the families of those who have perished in the storm, and to all those who have suffered injuries and property damage.”

Libertarian Party Offer Sympathy to Victims of Hurricane Harvey (LP Website)

As the flood waters ebb, we must ask ourselves how to minimize government intervention into insurance markets that exacerbates losses from natural disasters such as hurricanes, flooding, and earthquakes. That’s a long-term policy discussion, but there are also more immediate concerns. The libertarian magazine Reason listed “7 Things Donald Trump Shouldn’t Do After Hurricane Harvey,” such as cracking down on “gouging,” confiscating guns, or centralizing volunteer and relief efforts. Such heavy-handed government intervention in the aftermath of natural disasters makes conditions worse and hampers decentralized relief efforts.

As expected, the Libertarian Party weighs in that cracking down on price gouging is somehow bad. And no one is confiscating guns.

As for centralising volunteer efforts, for many things that makes them more efficient and effective (no duplication, no waste, &c)

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Stanley Sea  Aug 29, 2017 • 11:16:54pm

re: #119 jaunte

Who is this Shree & wtf is this app they need?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 29, 2017 • 11:17:56pm

re: #118 JordanRules

Pretty sure this was the plot to a Whoopi Goldberg movie too.

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It was also the plot of Remington Steele.

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IngisKahn  Aug 29, 2017 • 11:18:16pm

It seems KFC uses halal meat in areas where there’s high demand and even in a few branches in Israel supply kosher. I’m sure they don’t keep it a secret there and if you oppose the cruelty then you can just not eat there.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 29, 2017 • 11:19:39pm

re: #116 William Lewis

Even if vat grown meat becomes reality, there is still death on a cellular level. And, shhhh top secret, even vegans have to kill plants and probably insects too.

Arrogant Worms - Carrot Juice is Murder

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JordanRules  Aug 29, 2017 • 11:22:32pm

re: #124 Stanley Sea

I saw that app mentioned in the same context on Sunday.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 29, 2017 • 11:28:11pm

re: #124 Stanley Sea

Who is this Shree & wtf is this app they need?

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Zello is an application for that mythical device called a “cell phone,” which I am told they have in other parts of the nation. /s

Specifically, it purports to turn cell phones into mimics of walkie talkies.

Description

Zello is the place for free live private and public conversations.

Join millions of people who use Zello instead of texting. You can use it one-on-one with a friend, for a live group call with your family or soccer team. The Zello app can even replace 2-way radios at work.

Zello is the only place for live open group communication - old school CB Radio style. Create a live Zello channel for your forum or customers, or enjoy conversations from across the globe.

itunes.apple.com
play.google.com

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Stanley Sea  Aug 29, 2017 • 11:31:47pm

re: #128 JordanRules

I saw that app mentioned in the same context on Sunday.

Walkie Talkie frequency I’m thinking?

I also saw the satellite phones the press were using.

I don’t know much about that tech.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Aug 29, 2017 • 11:37:07pm

re: #126 IngisKahn

It seems KFC uses halal meat in areas where there’s high demand and even in a few branches in Israel supply kosher. I’m sure they don’t keep it a secret there and if you oppose the cruelty then you can just not eat there.

What cruelty? Halal slaughter is designed to be as painless (and non-frightening) to the animal as possible.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 29, 2017 • 11:48:54pm

Princess Sarah of the North Woods laughed out of court in her defamation suit against the New York Times:

thehill.com

“Nowhere is political journalism so free, so robust, or perhaps so rowdy as in the United States,” Judge Jed Rakoff wrote in an opinion dismissing the case.

“In the exercise of that freedom, mistakes will be made, some of which will be hurtful to others.”

Rakoff found that Palin did not meet the legal standard of proving malice toward a public figure, noting that the paper issued two corrections to the editorial in the hours after it was published.

“Such behavior is much more plausibly consistent with making an unintended mistake and then correcting it than with acting with actual malice,” he wrote.

He also noted that Palin would have to sue the individual responsible for the alleged defamation and not the entire publication, but that her case would still fall short if she had done so.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 29, 2017 • 11:54:56pm
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JordanRules  Aug 30, 2017 • 12:08:06am
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IngisKahn  Aug 30, 2017 • 12:11:14am

re: #131 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

I could be very wrong, and as a meat eater I recognize that all slaughter is cruel, but kosher and halal are the next level for me.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 30, 2017 • 12:19:27am

Port Arthur is drowning right now. The situation looks pretty bad.

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TedStriker  Aug 30, 2017 • 12:21:07am

re: #97 Anymouse 🌹

Doesn’t the alleged British Wingnut know that the Colonel’s secret recipe of special herbs and spices includes reading from the Qur’an? Wait, KFC doesn’t butcher chickens, halal or not.

Obligatory when talking about the Colonel:

I Hated the Colonel - So I Married an Axe Murderer (2/8) Movie CLIP (1993) HD

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 30, 2017 • 12:27:47am

Some find humour where they can:

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sagehen  Aug 30, 2017 • 12:31:15am

re: #135 IngisKahn

I could be very wrong, and as a meat eater I recognize that all slaughter is cruel, but kosher and halal are the next level for me.

“next level” as in crueler? That is demonstrably untrue.

Regular non-kosher slaughterhouse cattle have their heads bashed in with sledgehammers. Sometimes it takes two or three hits. Downer cattle may be ill for days before being killed while they lay on the ground sick; they’re still processed just like the rest.

Kosher slaughter is one quick slice of the carotid with a super-sharp knife, they bleed out in seconds.

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JordanRules  Aug 30, 2017 • 12:32:31am

re: #136 goddamnedfrank

Shit.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 30, 2017 • 12:55:28am

re: #139 sagehen

“next level” as in crueler? That is demonstrably untrue.

Regular non-kosher slaughterhouse cattle have their heads bashed in with sledgehammers. Sometimes it takes two or three hits. Downer cattle may be ill for days before being killed while they lay on the ground sick; they’re still processed just like the rest.

Kosher slaughter is one quick slice of the carotid with a super-sharp knife, they bleed out in seconds.

Hmm. I don’t know where you live … in the USA using a sledgehammer for slaughter is not legal. (That doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen, but any USDA inspected slaughterhouse would get caught pretty quick doing that.)

animallaw.info (law in USA regarding slaughter)

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IngisKahn  Aug 30, 2017 • 12:58:02am

re: #139 sagehen

While the best kosher slaughter house may be less cruel than an illegally run non-kosher one, on the whole I feel the converse is true. This is just my opinion - I do need to see some impartial research on the subject. The internet is just full of religious arguments and assertions.

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JordanRules  Aug 30, 2017 • 1:00:53am
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JordanRules  Aug 30, 2017 • 1:01:21am
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teleskiguy  Aug 30, 2017 • 1:16:45am

It really is frightening, the law of Trump tweets. For every tweet there’s an opposite.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 30, 2017 • 1:18:30am

re: #145 teleskiguy

It really is frightening, the law of Trump tweets. For every tweet there’s an opposite.

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Newton reborn with far less intellectual curiosity.

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teleskiguy  Aug 30, 2017 • 1:38:01am
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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 30, 2017 • 2:07:42am

re: #147 teleskiguy

Massive injections? Are these things so big that they create a gravitational field and suck children in?

Or are paediatricians using veterinary syringes? Maybe Trump’s problem with vaccines was he took his children to a horse vet?

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Decatur Deb  Aug 30, 2017 • 3:21:54am

re: #148 Anymouse 🌹

Massive injections? Are these things so big that they create a gravitational field and suck children in?

Or are paediatricians using veterinary syringes? Maybe Trump’s problem with vaccines was he took his children to a horse vet?

He gets his medical policy from the new Surgeon General.

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ObserverArt  Aug 30, 2017 • 4:20:08am

Morning.

Just checking. Has anyone heard anything from Allegro? I can’t say I saw anything from or about her yesterday.

Looks like the storm issues are going to go on for a long time. Heard earlier the reservoirs in Houston are still problematic and they will be trying to relieve them some more today, trying to not add too much the the already flooded city.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 30, 2017 • 4:20:55am

Ripped from Politico:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 30, 2017 • 4:31:00am

re: #151 Decatur Deb

Ripped from Politico:

Jade Helm!!!

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ObserverArt  Aug 30, 2017 • 4:33:49am

re: #36 goddamnedfrank

I disagree. Trump doesn’t really care what happens to currently serving trans soldiers and he purposely left this up to Mattis & the military commanders because he’s a coward who wanted some plausible distance from any final decision to kick actual flesh and blood volunteer soldiers out of the armed forces. Trump satisfied his social conservative base and his own need to undo Obama’s legacy by banning new trans recruits & trans specific medical care by the military and that’s all he really intended to accomplish.

Now he may well get pissed off down the line if the military comes back and says allowing trans soldiers not only isn’t disruptive to operations or morale but that it bolsters military readiness and offers a tangible competitive strategic advantage by creating more qualified applicants within the highly sought after cyber warfare vacancies the military can’t fill enough of.

Seems GDFrank may have a good take on Mattis and Trump.

There is speculation Trump made this transgender issue for his rabid base and really doesn’t want anything to do with it. So, they did what they did to shuffle it off to Mattis to determine and Trump can distance himself saying he tried.

That Trump sure makes strong and determined decisions.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 30, 2017 • 4:35:39am

re: #153 ObserverArt

Seems GDFrank may have a good take on Mattis and Trump.

There is speculation Trump made this transgender issue for his rabid base and really doesn’t want anything to do with it. So, they did what they did to shuffle it off to Mattis to determine and Trump can distance himself saying he tried.

That Trump sure makes strong and determined decisions.

It also helped distract from news of the FBI investigation of his former campaign manager…expect this to come faster and thicker as the investigation starts to close in on him.

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jeffreyw  Aug 30, 2017 • 4:55:02am

Imgur


Good morning!

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Belafon  Aug 30, 2017 • 5:27:34am

re: #2 jaunte

But, but, according to Joe Walsh, she should be the one getting rescued.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 30, 2017 • 5:44:13am

re: #120 Anymouse 🌹

So, Joel Olsteen made a big deal of showing air mattresses dragged into his church, and it appears people moved on.

Did Rev. Grifter actually let people into his church, or did he stage a “clean dishwashing” like Paul Ryan?

Maybe he bought them with some of that $600,000 that was “mysteriously stolen” from the Church safe…the “robbery” the police were unable to solve

huffingtonpost.com

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Sir John Barron  Aug 30, 2017 • 5:45:48am

re: #144 JordanRules

Historic storm! Great crowds! Thanks!

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Sir John Barron  Aug 30, 2017 • 5:49:58am

re: #123 Anymouse 🌹

As the flood waters ebb, we must ask ourselves how to minimize government intervention into insurance markets that exacerbates losses from natural disasters such as hurricanes, flooding, and earthquakes.

Uh…what?

Thanks for sharing, Libertarians. /

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Decatur Deb  Aug 30, 2017 • 5:53:54am

We have slight effects of Harvey all the way to the AL/GA border, light rains through the day and night yesterday, a bit more expected this afternoon and tomorrow.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 30, 2017 • 5:54:47am

re: #133 goddamnedfrank

Jesus Christ how fucking petty can these assholes get! They’re actually weighing the potential political hit of accepting help from Mexico.
— Frankly My Dear

Trump: Hold my beer…

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Sir John Barron  Aug 30, 2017 • 5:55:26am

re: #70 jaunte

I’m in a bad mood because I just found out one of my son’s childhood friends drowned in the flood.

Oh, man. So sorry.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 30, 2017 • 5:56:47am

re: #159 Sir John Barron

Libertarians live in a Laissez Fariyland!

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Sir John Barron  Aug 30, 2017 • 5:58:56am

re: #94 electrotek

The Stormfront thing reminded me of a well-known forum in the early 2000s that was a cesspool of Islamic extremists.

Anyone remember ClearGuidance? God that place was despicable, so glad it’s no longer around.

Hmmm, don’t remember that one. Glad I missed it.

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lawhawk  Aug 30, 2017 • 5:59:57am

re: #67 jaunte

When the tsunami wipes out Seattle, people will be wondering why all those folks didn’t just move to someplace higher.

When Mt. Rainier blows, why didn’t they move somewhere safer.
When the big one hits California, why did anyone move somewhere w/quakes.
When the big one hits New Madrid, MO, why did people build without seismic planning?

It’s the same all over the place. People either don’t understand risks, or they decide that the risks are so slight that they’ll allow development in areas that should be off limits.

In Japan, we saw the same thing - there are tsunami markers to remind people not to live below certain areas because a tsunami could wipe out those areas. Some of those historical markers were ignored in the Fukushima disaster - they thought that protections were sufficient. You can prepare for risks of a certain scale/magnitude, but ultimately mother nature can overrun the best laid plans.

With Houston, you had local and state leaders who had no problem with unchecked development, especially into areas that are part of a flood plain, but which hadn’t seen flooding of this kind since the city was founded. The political leaders went out of their way to ignore scientists who warned of the folly of building into these areas without significantly changing the elevation of homes/businesses.

And we see it all over the US - natural disasters and people just build back to what was there before, rather than taking proactive steps to mitigate/eliminate the risks. We still build on barrier islands. We still build right up to the waterfront and still don’t require more permeable materials to allow water to soak into the soil instead of runoff complicating downstream flooding.

Of course, we now have an admin that is fact-free, science-free, and intent on fleecing the Treasury to fill their own pockets. They’re making the robber barons look like pikers.

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I cannot.  Aug 30, 2017 • 6:00:47am

re: #163 Joe Bacon 🌹

*forages that* Hey, I’m a white person, so when I do it, its foraging.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 30, 2017 • 6:04:00am

re: #159 Sir John Barron

Uh…what?

Thanks for sharing, Libertarians. /

government intervention into insurance markets that exacerbates losses

They are referring to “exacerbated losses” to the insurance companies by forcing them to pay claims

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Sir John Barron  Aug 30, 2017 • 6:04:52am

re: #25 HappyWarrior

I saw some comments defending the asshole who called the cops on the people taking food from the grocery store. A lot of “Looters need to be shot.”

There was a lot of that after Katrina. Keyboard militia really got off on that stuff.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 30, 2017 • 6:05:34am

re: #167 The Vicious Babushka

They are referring to “exacerbated losses” to the insurance companies by forcing them to pay claims

Insurance companies aren’t there to pay claims, OK?

/

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Aug 30, 2017 • 6:07:10am

re: #47 Stanley Sea

*waves from Corpus Christi!*

Life in Corpus is getting back to normal. Our internet and phones were restored at the facility where I work, which makes life much easier. I’m still trying to get people paid, as their paychecks did not arrive on Friday and are still lost somewhere. You’d think a large corporation would be able to look out for their employees better, but what if those 13 people get paid twice???? Can’t take that chance, so the employees are shit out of luck until FedEx can locate the checks (FedEx and UPS are still not running here). Additionally we were told yesterday by corporate HR that we will not be paid for sleep time during the hurricane. Even though we HAD to be there. Cause, you know, gotta manage that overtime.

I’m left feeling torn, because I hate the corporation I work for but I love the residents I serve. I stay because I care but it gets harder and harder to do.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 30, 2017 • 6:10:12am

Harveys rains have reached MS. Some localized flooding here but so far it’s been a bit tamer than I thought it would be.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 30, 2017 • 6:12:48am

re: #170 Flying Squirrel Girl

You’d think a large corporation would be able to look out for their employees better, but what if those 13 people get paid twice???? Can’t take that chance, so the employees are shit out of luck until FedEx can locate the checks (FedEx and UPS are still not running here). Additionally we were told yesterday by corporate HR that we will not be paid for sleep time during the hurricane. Even though we HAD to be there. Cause, you know, gotta manage that overtime.

Is that even legal??

Also, your company doesn’t do direct deposit? I don’t remember the last time I got a physical check.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 30, 2017 • 6:13:02am

re: #169 Sir John Barron

Insurance companies aren’t there to pay claims, OK?

/

Their primary function is to collect premiums.//

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Sir John Barron  Aug 30, 2017 • 6:13:48am

re: #88 electrotek

Spend more time freaking out over halal meat than they do feeding the homeless that they love to exploit as a convenient talking point.

Halal meat is the new No Go Zone.

/////

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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 30, 2017 • 6:13:52am

re: #70 jaunte

I’m in a bad mood because I just found out one of my son’s childhood friends drowned in the flood.

No words seem to suffice… But very sorry to see that. A disaster that severe is a cruel thing.

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Aug 30, 2017 • 6:15:35am

re: #172 Eclectic Cyborg

We offer direct deposit but some people don’t have bank accounts. They don’t make a lot of money and I suspect fees and potential overdraft charges are the reason they don’t have accounts.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 30, 2017 • 6:16:49am

I’m at yet another Doctors office here with Fox News in the waiting room.

The current featured story is on: Clinton Emails.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 30, 2017 • 6:19:19am

re: #177 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m at yet another Doctors office here with Fox News in the waiting room.

The current featured story is on: Clinton Emails.

Sweet fancy moses.

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I cannot.  Aug 30, 2017 • 6:20:04am

re: #177 Eclectic Cyborg

I know this is an old and unoriginal line, but build The fucken Wall [tm] out of her emails, since nobody can get over them.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 30, 2017 • 6:20:10am

re: #178 Sir John Barron

Sweet fancy moses.

They were just interviewing Chaffetz who was blabbering about the “Deep state”

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Sir John Barron  Aug 30, 2017 • 6:23:43am

re: #180 Eclectic Cyborg

They were just interviewing Chaffetz who was blabbering about the “Deep state”

They’re still on the Deep State business?

No wonder our country’s so stupid.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 30, 2017 • 6:24:19am

re: #88 electrotek

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Spend more time freaking out over halal meat than they do feeding the homeless that they love to exploit as a convenient talking point.

Ah, that old anti-Semetic conspiracy theory reapplied to Muslims.

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lawhawk  Aug 30, 2017 • 6:25:33am

Greets and saluts from the Resistance in the NYC metro area. Harvey is finally starting to move away from the area while Trump has also left for the moment, so that disaster response will have a chance to ramp up to meet the difficult challenges that lay ahead.

Trump came to Texas yesterday for a photo op. He met with no victims, and instead tied up disaster response and relief efforts so he could show he was in Texas meeting with people he’s supposed to be in contact with as a basic level of competency.

You know that Trump meant business when he brought along Melania to offer her views on disaster relief.

They still met none of the victims, and didn’t even mention the casualties. Rather, Trump offered only that there was so much rain. It was a record. Yuge.

A toddler has more situational awareness than that. A toddler would know that something is very wrong with what’s going on around them. Trump doesn’t get that this isn’t about him.

I’m once again struck by the fact that the media still wont treat Trump for what he is. He’s a taker. He lacks empathy and doesn’t understand that public service is about giving, not taking from everyone else.

That leads me into the Trump agenda for today - tax reform.

The media will now claim that he’s going to give a speech/policy about tax reform, except there’s no policy. There’s no bill. There’s nothing but vaporware and Trump doesn’t even understand that much. He’s going to try and spin his “plan” as helping the middle class when the reality is that all Trump/GOP tax plans have done is shifted the burdens from the rich on to everyone else, especially the middle class.

What do you expect happens when you slash and burn government programs meant to help everyone (stuff like infrastructure, FEMA, NFIP, NSF, EPA, etc.) and promote tax cuts that give the biggest tax breaks in dollar terms and as percentage of income to millionaires like Trump.

Trump’s in this to fleece the Treasury to benefit him and his cronies.

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JordanRules  Aug 30, 2017 • 6:26:25am

Speaking of emails…

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Timothy Watson  Aug 30, 2017 • 6:27:26am

re: #184 JordanRules

Speaking of emails…

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Uh-oh, daddy’s angry at Trump.

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 30, 2017 • 6:29:16am

re: #148 Anymouse 🌹

Massive injections? Are these things so big that they create a gravitational field and suck children in?

Or are paediatricians using veterinary syringes? Maybe Trump’s problem with vaccines was he took his children to a horse vet?

Does the medical field really know the true effect of injecting multiple vaccines at one time? Certainly, I understand why doctors would prefer reducing the number of injections administered to infants and toddlers, but how would they know whether this could constitute an overload to the immune system? It’s not as though they can do a double-blind controlled study over the human lifetime. In the 1950’s, they often gave DES to women to prevent miscarriages and that did not work out well. So I can understand skepticism about the merits of the current approach.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 30, 2017 • 6:29:35am

re: #182 Timothy Watson

Ah, that old anti-Semetic conspiracy theory reapplied to Muslims.

Yep.

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 30, 2017 • 6:30:22am

re: #70 jaunte

I’m in a bad mood because I just found out one of my son’s childhood friends drowned in the flood.

My sympathy to you and your family. How terrible!

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wheat-dogg  Aug 30, 2017 • 6:31:07am

re: #176 Flying Squirrel Girl

We offer direct deposit but some people don’t have bank accounts. They don’t make a lot of money and I suspect fees and potential overdraft charges are the reason they don’t have accounts.

Banks have made the entry point to being a member of “banked” society much harder than in the past. Higher minimum deposits and minimum balances, exorbitant fees for everything, crediting deposits after debiting withdrawals (so that the bank can collect overdraft fees) — these all discourage low income workers from opening bank accounts/ But the side effect is these same workers have very little savings, if at all; find it hard to obtain favorable lending rates; and are unlikely to be able to buy their own home. And if they can manage to accumulate $20,000 for a down payment, law enforcement and the IRS will ask questions about where that money came from.

I may be looking at the past through rose-colored glasses, but until the banks were deregulated, they were expected to provide financial services to everyone, and for the most part they did. You could open a passbook savings account with $5, and didn’t have to worry about the bank closing it for low activity or a low balance.

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Belafon  Aug 30, 2017 • 6:31:52am
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HappyWarrior  Aug 30, 2017 • 6:33:57am

re: #168 Sir John Barron

There was a lot of that after Katrina. Keyboard militia really got off on that stuff.

No doubt.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 30, 2017 • 6:35:26am

Fake News is saying I don’t show any emp-uh, emp-uh…
empanada
I’ll show them…

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Belafon  Aug 30, 2017 • 6:35:28am

re: #189 wheat-dogg

Banks have made the entry point to being a member of “banked” society much harder than in the past. Higher minimum deposits and minimum balances, exorbitant fees for everything, crediting deposits after debiting withdrawals (so that the bank can collect overdraft fees) — these all discourage low income workers from opening bank accounts/ But the side effect is these same workers have very little savings, if at all; find it hard to obtain favorable lending rates; and are unlikely to be able to buy their own home. And if they can manage to accumulate $20,000 for a down payment, law enforcement and the IRS will ask questions about where that money came from.

I may be looking at the past through rose-colored glasses, but until the banks were deregulated, they were expected to provide financial services to everyone, and for the most part they did. You could open a passbook savings account with $5, and didn’t have to worry about the bank closing it for low activity or a low balance.

I think you might be, a bit. My local bank has hours seven days a week. You can get an account for a $25 deposit. Yes, it can charge you fees, unless you do one of the following: Keep above $100 in the account, have direct deposit, use the card 10 times a month, or go with paperless statements.

Conversely, when I was a kid, the bank was open from 10 to 5. When my parents wanted to go to the bank, they had to dress up, make sure to show up early, and you were on the bank’s schedule.

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Belafon  Aug 30, 2017 • 6:35:40am

… Posted twice.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 30, 2017 • 6:36:51am

re: #192 FormerDirtDart

$5 says that wasn’t written by Trump.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 30, 2017 • 6:37:16am

re: #192 FormerDirtDart

Fake News is saying I don’t show any emp-uh, emp-uh…
empanada
I’ll show them…

And thanks, Texas, for the great crowds!

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Renaissance_Man  Aug 30, 2017 • 6:38:34am

re: #195 Eclectic Cyborg

$5 says that wasn’t written by Trump.

Hm, might be. The grammatical error and unnecessary exclamation mark, as well as the weird non-empathetic tone, are very Trump.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 30, 2017 • 6:38:54am

re: #192 FormerDirtDart

After witnessing first hand the horror & devastation caused by Hurricane Harvey,my heart goes out even more so to the great people of Texas!
— Donald J. Trump

“There, is that good enough? Can’t wait to get back on the gold course!”

/

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Belafon  Aug 30, 2017 • 6:39:23am

re: #118 JordanRules

Pretty sure this was the plot to a Whoopi Goldberg movie too.

That was the plot of Remington Steele. Then Pierce Brosnan showed up to play the person.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 30, 2017 • 6:40:21am

re: #193 Belafon

I think you might be, a bit. My local bank has hours seven days a week. You can get an account for a $25 deposit. Yes, it can charge you fees, unless you do one of the following: Keep above $100 in the account, have direct deposit, use the card 10 times a month, or go with paperless statements.

Conversely, when I was a kid, the bank was open from 10 to 5. When my parents wanted to go to the bank, they had to dress up, make sure to show up early, and you were on the bank’s schedule.

My bank keeps closing its branches, all the while expanding by buying other banks. It has kinda screwed some of the local (rural) small business people.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 30, 2017 • 6:42:07am
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wheat-dogg  Aug 30, 2017 • 6:44:33am

re: #186 Hecuba’s daughter

Does the medical field really know the true effect of injecting multiple vaccines at one time?

Simply put, yes.

how would they know whether this could constitute an overload to the immune system?

Medical research, like most biological research, relies on aggregate data. Injections (or whatever) are intended to provide adequate protection while still mitigating adverse reactions in a majority of patients. Unfortunately, within every population there will be some people who will have severe adverse reactions, or perhaps mild ones, and there is no way to predict in advance which specific persons will exhibit them.

Vaccinations are a classic example of weighing potential risks, illness caused by a pathogen vs. illness caused by the vaccine. For the majority of people, the second risk is much smaller than the first, so mandatory vaccinations benefit the majority of individuals, as well as the population at large. But, again, there will be exceptions.

It’s the exceptions who get all the press recently. Never mind the hundreds of millions of vaccinated persons who have had no adverse reactions.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 30, 2017 • 6:47:01am

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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lawhawk  Aug 30, 2017 • 6:47:27am

re: #165 lawhawk

To further extend my remarks - there’s also quite a few people who can’t afford to live anywhere else, or have decided to live in this places because that’s where jobs currently are. It’s again going to the tradeoffs made when building into these areas in the first place.

The same things that make some of these places desirable are the things that make them dangerous to live near (volcanoes - fertile soil; rivers/coastlines -
access to markets/transit/fertile lands, natural resources) make them vulnerable to flooding/hurricanes/rising sea levels, etc.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 30, 2017 • 6:51:17am

re: #203 FormerDirtDart

This is a joke, right? Basically akin to nominating influenza to be the Surgeon General.

He probably has a former tobacco executive lined up for Surgeon General.

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wheat-dogg  Aug 30, 2017 • 6:51:31am

re: #193 Belafon

I think you might be, a bit. My local bank has hours seven days a week. You can get an account for a $25 deposit. Yes, it can charge you fees, unless you do one of the following: Keep above $100 in the account, have direct deposit, use the card 10 times a month, or go with paperless statements.

Conversely, when I was a kid, the bank was open from 10 to 5. When my parents wanted to go to the bank, they had to dress up, make sure to show up early, and you were on the bank’s schedule.

When I was a kid in the 1960s, my folks opened a passbook savings account for me. They encouraged me to put my allowance, or birthday money, etc., in the savings account. We didn’t need to dress up to visit the bank, but back then respectable people did not go out wearing jeans and a t-shirt*. So, mom put on a dress and I wore going-to-school clothes.

We did not need to make an appointment. You walked in with your passbook and your money, and talked to the nice teller lady.

* Parents of the 1950s were near-traumatized by the popularity of blue jeans among young people, because kids would *go out in public* dressed like working class people. Then the hippies went further and started wearing undershirts (T-shirts) along with the jeans — in public!

ADDENDUM: OTOH, you are correct. Banking hours then were 10-4, and maybe 5 on Fridays. Closed on weekends. ATMs were non-existent, and no one ever considered putting a bank branch inside a supermarket.

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JordanRules  Aug 30, 2017 • 6:53:56am

re: #199 Belafon

It was indeed.

Found the Whoopi movie. It was called “The Associate”. Huh, I would have sworn it was an 80’s movie but it was ‘96.

m.imdb.com

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HappyWarrior  Aug 30, 2017 • 6:54:52am

re: #205 Timothy Watson

He probably has a former tobacco executive lined up for Surgeon General.

I’d like to announce my Surgeon General pick, his name is Joe Camel, he’s great and as famous as me, maybe that’s not a good thing but you’re going to love him and he’ll combat cancer and stop ISIs.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 30, 2017 • 6:55:10am

re: #181 Sir John Barron

They’re still on the Deep State business?

No wonder our country’s so stupid.

because they cannot believe that professional government employees, whose job it is to serve the people and not just the President, are not totally on board with Trump’s policies of dismantling and destroying government

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 30, 2017 • 6:55:17am

Ummmm…
That averages around $179.49 per assistance request…
Sure, maybe all requests haven’t been approved and funded

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 30, 2017 • 6:57:11am

re: #207 JordanRules

And in fact it was a remake of a 1979 movie that was based on a book from 1928.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 30, 2017 • 6:57:22am

re: #195 Eclectic Cyborg

$5 says that wasn’t written by Trump.

It certainly does not reflect his thoughts or sentiments.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 30, 2017 • 6:58:32am

re: #208 HappyWarrior

I’d like to announce my Surgeon General pick, his name is Joe Camel, he’s great and as famous as me, maybe that’s not a good thing but you’re going to love him and he’ll combat cancer and stop ISIs.

Fox News: Liberals hate Trump’s pick for SG, of course, because they hate everything Trump does. Liberals hate anyone, like Joe Camel, who’ve made millions in business. They hate anyone who’s successful.

////

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lawhawk  Aug 30, 2017 • 6:58:52am
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Sir John Barron  Aug 30, 2017 • 6:59:58am

re: #203 FormerDirtDart

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Surprised he didn’t nominate whoever his nominal head of Trump University was.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 30, 2017 • 7:00:05am

This is a FB post from a fishing buddy who lives in Victoria, TX.

Great day today. My buddy and son showed up.
This morning loaded for some work. We finished my big limbs and brush and just kept going down the street. Whole tres, brushes, we cleared one yard and a church group came and they said just cut it up where it lays. We did 4or 5. One guy insisted on giving us some cash which was great. My buddy who shall. Remain nameless gave himself a good whack with the chainsaw and we had to do a little run to the ER. Which was great as my lovely wife sewed him up. Guerrilla gourmet a great restaurant has been cooking 72 hours feeding anyone for donation or free. There are chefs from all over and they just keep feeding people in need. That is stepping up! We ate a couple hot dogs and dropped some serious jack in the jar along with the guys money. the last places we stopped her car was completely blocked in with a big tree and another guy was there with a chain saw, then another guy, then a girl. The lady was sniffling when we left. The point of all this? Folks are sucking it up and paying it forward and back. All the crews, to many to list are fixing Victoria. Tons of work left, very few houses have no tree or fence damage but what we are seeing is the best of folks. Hell a lady came by and gave me a bag with toilet paper, garbage bags and bug spray. It was a good day. Hopefully electric in the next few days.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 30, 2017 • 7:00:32am

re: #214 lawhawk

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Can Coulter just shut the fuck up for once and at least pretend to be a decent human being?

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 30, 2017 • 7:01:11am

re: #205 Timothy Watson

He probably has a former tobacco executive lined up for Surgeon General.

Hurricane Harvey for FEMA director

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makeitstop  Aug 30, 2017 • 7:01:25am

re: #217 HappyWarrior

Can Coulter just shut the fuck up for once and at least pretend to be a decent human being?

Short answer: no.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 30, 2017 • 7:02:16am

Those poor, defenseless insurance companies:

In every human body, the aortic bifurcation marks the point where the aorta — the largest artery — splits and descends into each leg. In Dianne Weber’s body, a tumor sits directly in that fork.

It is a life-threatening disease, but it doesn’t have to kill her.

The tumor is a remnant of the anal cancer she was treated for — and beat — five years ago. Her doctors are recommending a precise form of radiation likely to rid her of this last vestige of cancer, but her insurance provider, Anthem Blue Cross Blue Shield in Virginia, won’t cover it.

Weber’s request for proton beam radiation therapy was denied Aug. 16. Since then, her husband, Jack Weber, has been fighting tooth and nail against Anthem. And her providers at MD Anderson — one of the premier cancer institutes in the country — have worked alongside him, writing a thorough appeal letter that details all the ways that Anthem was wrong for denying her claim.

On Friday, though, Anthem denied the Webers’ appeal despite legislation passed this year aimed at increasing access to the procedure. Anthem claims that proton radiation therapy has not been deemed effective in treating anal cancer.

richmond.com

*spit*

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HappyWarrior  Aug 30, 2017 • 7:03:15am

re: #219 makeitstop

Short answer: no.

Heh true. It’s just damn. You’re not funny nor witty. You’re just a bitter psycho desperate for attention.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 30, 2017 • 7:05:35am

re: #221 HappyWarrior

Heh true. It’s just damn. You’re not funny nor witty. You’re just a bitter psycho desperate for attention.

It is how she makes her living.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 30, 2017 • 7:06:28am

re: #220 Timothy Watson

Those poor, defenseless insurance companies:

richmond.com

*spit*

Yeah………”experimental treatment”. Insurance companies are quite fond of that turn of phrase.

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JordanRules  Aug 30, 2017 • 7:07:47am

re: #211 Eclectic Cyborg

Oh wow, cool! Think I’m about to jump down that rabbit hole.

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lawhawk  Aug 30, 2017 • 7:08:09am

re: #220 Timothy Watson

Just wait til they start having to pay on claims for a new leukemia treatment that is quite successful. Downside? It costs $800k per treatment. It’s far from alone with costs - drug companies can charge whatever they want for some drugs, and people have no choice but to pay:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 30, 2017 • 7:08:49am

re: #225 lawhawk

Just wait til they start having to pay on claims for a new leukemia treatment that is quite successful. Downside? It costs $800k per treatment. It’s far from alone with costs - drug companies can charge whatever they want for some drugs, and people have no choice but to pay:

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Shkrelli, anyone?

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 30, 2017 • 7:09:11am
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JordanRules  Aug 30, 2017 • 7:10:42am
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lawhawk  Aug 30, 2017 • 7:14:01am
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Aug 30, 2017 • 7:15:49am

re: #116 William Lewis

Even if vat grown meat becomes reality, there is still death on a cellular level. And, shhhh top secret, even vegans have to kill plants and probably insects too.

If one looks at the number of field animals killed while harvesting grain, as an example, there is no such thing as a vegan who doesn’t contribute to animal death. Unless they grow and harvest their own veggies.

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Ace-o-aces  Aug 30, 2017 • 7:18:06am
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lawhawk  Aug 30, 2017 • 7:19:47am

re: #231 Ace-o-aces

Byline by Glenn Thrush?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 30, 2017 • 7:19:49am

re: #231 Ace-o-aces

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So patriotic.//

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Decatur Deb  Aug 30, 2017 • 7:20:09am

Contractors, not troops will save Afghanistan*.

*No questions asked.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 30, 2017 • 7:21:30am

re: #227 FormerDirtDart

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Can I say I’m honestly not shocked at all by this.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 30, 2017 • 7:23:02am
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SteelPH  Aug 30, 2017 • 7:23:45am

re: #227 FormerDirtDart

Probably knows that another meeting will result in him assaulting Jacobs again.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 30, 2017 • 7:23:53am
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Decatur Deb  Aug 30, 2017 • 7:26:06am

re: #236 FormerDirtDart

That’s a Vogon love ballad. Read a book, Paige.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 30, 2017 • 7:27:35am

re: #238 FormerDirtDart

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Facebook really needs to improve their community standards. That’s really fucked up. And I bet that dickbag that said to her wouldn’t say it to her face because he’s a typical cowardly douche that plays tough guy behind his keyboard.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 30, 2017 • 7:27:47am

re: #239 Decatur Deb

That’s a Vogon love ballad. Read a book, Paige.

It’s satire!

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makeitstop  Aug 30, 2017 • 7:29:56am

re: #241 HappyWarrior

It’s satire!

Can’t you libs take a joke??

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 30, 2017 • 7:30:22am
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HappyWarrior  Aug 30, 2017 • 7:32:55am

re: #242 makeitstop

Can’t you libs take a joke??

Free Peach! Free Peach!

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makeitstop  Aug 30, 2017 • 7:34:39am

I think Trump spelled ‘WAAAAH’ wrong

President Donald Trump on Wednesday complained about “false reporting and even ferocious anger” in coverage of his presidency by “dying magazines,” and asked, “WHY?”

“All I want to do is #MAGA!” the President tweeted, referring to his campaign slogan, “Make America Great Again.”

Suck it up, Preznit Snowflake.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 30, 2017 • 7:35:14am

re: #220 Timothy Watson

Those poor, defenseless insurance companies:

richmond.com

*spit*

Welcome to Trumps America.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 30, 2017 • 7:36:56am

re: #245 makeitstop

I think Trump spelled ‘WAAAAH’ wrong

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Suck it up, Preznit Snowflake.

Oh I don’t know. The fact that instead of showing empathy- you know that thing you lack to the victims of Harvey, you bragged about the crowd you got. Oh and if you want to talk about failures, look in the mirror sometimes Champ, you’re the guy who bankrupted a Casino and has record low disapproval ratings for a first term President but hey at least Richard Spencer and David Duke love you.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 30, 2017 • 7:37:28am

I’m thinking about writing an essay about the decline of empathy in this country.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 30, 2017 • 7:38:11am
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Decatur Deb  Aug 30, 2017 • 7:38:20am

re: #248 HappyWarrior

I’m thinking about writing an essay about the decline of empathy in this country.

Start with slavery and the Indian removal. Wait….

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HappyWarrior  Aug 30, 2017 • 7:40:42am

re: #250 Decatur Deb

Start with slavery and the Indian removal. Wait….

I know what you mean. I’m just saying. You read about people who have had to resort to having to take food from grocery stores because of this flood and I have to read assholes talking about who think we should be “shooting looters on sight.”

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Decatur Deb  Aug 30, 2017 • 7:41:49am

re: #251 HappyWarrior

I know what you mean. I’m just saying. You read about people who have had to resort to having to take food from grocery stores because of this flood and I have to read assholes talking about who think we should be “shooting looters on sight.”

Yeah, but you don’t have much of a baseline to work from. Humans.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 30, 2017 • 7:41:58am

re: #245 makeitstop

After reading the false reporting and even ferocious anger in some dying magazines, it makes me wonder, WHY? All I want to do is #MAGA!

— Donald J. Trump

30,000 people in Houston area have lost their homes or been forced to evacuate, but let’s not get crazy and forget who the real victim here is.

/

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HappyWarrior  Aug 30, 2017 • 7:42:50am

re: #252 Decatur Deb

Yeah, but you don’t have much of a baseline to work from. Humans.

True, true. It’s also funny coming from the ASD guy too since they say the thing that separates us is the empathy thing.

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ObserverArt  Aug 30, 2017 • 7:43:04am

You want to see an interesting take on Donny Trump in Texas yesterday?

I don’t know why I did, but I flipped on Morning Joke first thing this morning, something I haven’t done in a month or so.

This was Joe and panel not trying to normalize Trump. Instead they conclude Donny is who he is. His lack of a human bone is now to be expected I guess…he is the President after all.

But in spite of the new hat sales, not meeting with any victims directly and not saying anything remotely warm and comforting…he did what he had to do. He showed up. And that is all that matters.

Of course Joe had to get a dig in on Obama. You know Obama was reluctant to go to the Gulf states in the Exon oil drilling disaster and had to be moved to do it…so this is the same. Or, something.

So, between this and the way the NY Times handles Trump, I guess we should all give up wishing and hoping he gets kicked out of office and just accept him for what he is not.

The headline for this video: Trump’s Texas trip had flaws, but showing up matters

Iframe

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lawhawk  Aug 30, 2017 • 7:43:06am
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HappyWarrior  Aug 30, 2017 • 7:43:32am

re: #253 Sir John Barron

30,000 people in Houston area have lost their homes or been forced to evacuate, but let’s not get crazy and forget who the real victim here is.

/

It amazes me that this his diehards can say liberals are a bunch of complainers and then worship this guy who when he’s not bragging for no good reason is complaining for no good reason.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 30, 2017 • 7:44:01am

re: #248 HappyWarrior

I’m thinking about writing an essay about the decline of empathy in this country.

Please do. Be sure to include the Trump effect.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 30, 2017 • 7:44:28am

re: #256 lawhawk

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When is the GOP ever going to be held accountable for wanting to cut from important programs like this to sustain their wealthy donors tax cuts.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 30, 2017 • 7:44:44am
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Decatur Deb  Aug 30, 2017 • 7:44:46am

re: #253 Sir John Barron

30,000 people in Houston area have lost their homes or been forced to evacuate, but let’s not get crazy and forget who the real victim here is.

/

Depending on how fast competent and well-equipped salvage crews can get to the half-flooded housing, 30000 might be optimistic. Mold gets a vote.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 30, 2017 • 7:45:11am

re: #258 Eclectic Cyborg

Please do. Be sure to include the Trump effect.

Trump honestly is a big part of it. Probably too busy this week but I’m definitely going to try something out. Maybe I’ll make a page of it.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 30, 2017 • 7:46:47am
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HappyWarrior  Aug 30, 2017 • 7:47:22am

re: #263 FormerDirtDart

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But hey think about Trump, failing magazines wrote mean things about him. That matters too.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 30, 2017 • 7:48:40am

re: #245 makeitstop

After reading the false reporting and even ferocious anger in some dying magazines, it makes me wonder, WHY? All I want to do is #MAGA!

Dying magazines he photoshopped himself onto the cover of?

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Ace-o-aces  Aug 30, 2017 • 7:49:41am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 30, 2017 • 7:50:30am

re: #246 Eclectic Cyborg

Welcome to Trumps America.

America was like that before Trump.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 30, 2017 • 7:51:59am
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JordanRules  Aug 30, 2017 • 7:52:28am
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Dave In Austin  Aug 30, 2017 • 7:52:31am
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HappyWarrior  Aug 30, 2017 • 7:52:52am

re: #268 FormerDirtDart

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Maybe your sons and son in law can ship out to Seoul like my grandfather did sixty five years ago. Oh wait, military service is too good for your precious genes.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 30, 2017 • 7:54:01am

When I talk about the lack of empathy, I’m talking about people giving people a hard time who had to resort to taking food from grocery stores and defending the guy who called the police on them. Is stealing wrong? Yes, yes it is but are circumstances complicated and is this food insured? Yes as well.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 30, 2017 • 7:54:07am

re: #269 JordanRules

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Dave In Austin  Aug 30, 2017 • 7:56:34am

What’s also happening in Houston?

Diamondback Watersnakes
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HappyWarrior  Aug 30, 2017 • 7:57:07am

re: #273 FormerDirtDart

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I liked Mr. Hilter’s defense of National Bosocialism.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 30, 2017 • 7:57:38am

re: #274 Dave In Austin

What’s also happening in Houston?

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Damn. I’m not afraid of snakes but I’d hate to run into one of those.

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nines09  Aug 30, 2017 • 7:57:57am
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Sir John Barron  Aug 30, 2017 • 7:59:46am

re: #268 FormerDirtDart

MATTIS RESPONDS: “We’re never out of diplomatic solutions,” SecDef says when asked about this tweet.
— Aaron Mehta

Nobody pays attention to what Dump says.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 30, 2017 • 8:00:31am

re: #278 Sir John Barron

Nobody pays attention to what Dump says.

He as HRC said a puppet. And maybe that’s part of why he rages so much.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 30, 2017 • 8:03:06am

Friend who runs our local BBQ festival has put me on to this relief effort. Alabama does what it does best:

operationbbqrelief.org

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HappyWarrior  Aug 30, 2017 • 8:03:35am

So Osteen’s “defense” is that the city didn’t ask his church to become a shelter. Uh Joel, the city didn’t ask those people to get in their boats and go save people either. They took it upon themselves to save other people. Maybe if your theological message was based on something other than self-enrichment, you’d have learned to care about your fellow man.

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ObserverArt  Aug 30, 2017 • 8:06:55am

re: #217 HappyWarrior

Can Coulter just shut the fuck up for once and at least pretend to be a decent human being?

Can you tell why she loves her some Trump?

Get the two of them in a room and the temps drop 10 degrees or more.

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JordanRules  Aug 30, 2017 • 8:07:14am

I wonder if she gets benefits.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 30, 2017 • 8:08:50am

re: #276 HappyWarrior

Damn. I’m not afraid of snakes but I’d hate to run into one of those.

Harmless w/a bit of attitude.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 30, 2017 • 8:10:15am

re: #283 JordanRules

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I wonder if she gets benefits.

It’s Fox. Blondes are the benefit.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 30, 2017 • 8:10:53am

re: #283 JordanRules

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I wonder if she gets benefits.

Confirming my beleif about the FNC model- Good looking young women who sound like Rushbo.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 30, 2017 • 8:11:25am

What Trump Supporters Really Believe
The president’s racist base, by the numbers.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 30, 2017 • 8:13:38am

re: #287 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

What Trump Supporters Really Believe
The president’s racist base, by the numbers.

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Not shocked.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 30, 2017 • 8:15:56am

One of the first stories posted on CNN’s website back in 1995:

Some telecommunications experts fear the multimedia revolution is setting the stage for the eventual breakdown of society. The gloomy forecast was aired in a debate at a conference of the International Institute of Communications in Osaka.

American lawyer Delbert Smith said the telecommunications revolution is about control and power. “Hell is a loss of privacy, and nothing brings us closer to hell than telecommunications technology,” he said. “We will all end up consumers with no privacy in a technological world with no protections.”

Debaters said that while the so-called information superhighway improves access to information, it also could destroy jobs, isolate women, and possibly lead to anarchy.

John Eger, communications and public policy professor at San Diego State University, warned against what he called the divisive power of telecommunications. He said religious, linguistic and tribal conflicts throughout the world have been started and fueled to some extent by the spread of telecommunications, which he said can easily promote sensationalism and propaganda.

“This is the hell…that we must be most concerned about,” he cautioned. “This is the hell that we must do something about if we are to succeed and survive in the new global information economy and society.

cnn.com

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 30, 2017 • 8:17:25am

re: #287 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

The most telling answer is that nearly half of Trump supporters see white people as the most discriminated against group in the US, more than all other groups combined. This is the real story behind Trump’s election, and the real reason Republicans are so impervious to facts: All issues but race; things like North Korea, the Middle East, bathroom policy, gay marriage, etc.; are just fig leaves, a smokescreen for the real agenda.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 30, 2017 • 8:17:52am

re: #290 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

The most telling answer is that nearly half of Trump supporters see white people as the most discriminated against group in the US, more than all other groups combined. This is the real story behind Trump’s election, and the real reason Republicans are so impervious to facts.

Yes, yes indeed.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 30, 2017 • 8:20:59am

I really do like Rick…….

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makeitstop  Aug 30, 2017 • 8:23:24am

re: #292 Dave In Austin

I really do like Rick…….

He occupies his down time with eviscerating trolls. I keep an eye on his TL during the day just for laughs.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 30, 2017 • 8:23:42am

re: #292 Dave In Austin

I really do like Rick…….

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I do like the way he and Ana toy with the right wing tools that hate their guts for calling out God Emperor General Admiral Pope Trump.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 30, 2017 • 8:23:51am

Fox News, focused on the Really Important Stuff:

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HappyWarrior  Aug 30, 2017 • 8:24:05am

re: #293 makeitstop

He occupies his down time with eviscerating trolls. I keep an eye on his TL during the day just for laughs.

He should just do that for the rest of his days instead of advising GOP candidates.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 30, 2017 • 8:26:14am

re: #295 The Vicious Babushka

Fox News, focused on the Really Important Stuff:

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Houston is flooding and Toddy is bitching because teachers don’t want religion in their classrooms. Listen, if you want to raise your kids in a religious manner, that’s fine. In fact, all my dad’s brothers and sisters graduated from parochial schools. But it doesn’t have a place in public schools. If you want to enroll your kids in a private school that endorses your religious beliefs, go for it, you can in this country but don’t expect a publically subsidized school to pander to your religious beliefs.

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makeitstop  Aug 30, 2017 • 8:28:24am

re: #296 HappyWarrior

He should just do that for the rest of his days instead of advising GOP candidates.

He’s actually pretty good at it.

(Eviscerating trolls, that is.)

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ObserverArt  Aug 30, 2017 • 8:28:36am

re: #286 HappyWarrior

Confirming my beleif about the FNC model- Good looking young women who sound like Rushbo.

For crusty ol’ conservative men to sit and get their hate delivered to them by someone that would never give them the time of day.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 30, 2017 • 8:28:59am
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HappyWarrior  Aug 30, 2017 • 8:32:33am

re: #299 ObserverArt

For crusty ol’ conservative men to sit and get their hate delivered to them by someone that would never give them the time of day.

Yes, yes indeed.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 30, 2017 • 8:32:50am

re: #298 makeitstop

He’s actually pretty good at it.

(Eviscerating trolls, that is.)

Yeah he is.

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ObserverArt  Aug 30, 2017 • 8:33:26am

re: #289 Timothy Watson

One of the first stories posted on CNN’s website back in 1995:

cnn.com

I’ve been watching the Discovery Channel’s Unabomber series on Tuesday night.

This bit would fit right in with Ted Kaczynski’s thinking about how technology is stripping freedom from people.

By the way, it is a pretty good series. I’ve learned a lot about the whole case I never knew before.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 30, 2017 • 8:33:28am

re: #297 HappyWarrior

Houston is flooding and Toddy is bitching because teachers don’t want religion in their classrooms. Listen, if you want to raise your kids in a religious manner, that’s fine. In fact, all my dad’s brothers and sisters graduated from parochial schools. But it doesn’t have a place in public schools. If you want to enroll your kids in a private school that endorses your religious beliefs, go for it, you can in this country but don’t expect a publically subsidized school to pander to your religious beliefs.

Knowing Todd this story is probably made up bullshit.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 30, 2017 • 8:35:03am

re: #304 The Vicious Babushka

Knowing Todd this story is probably made up bullshit.

I don’t doubt that for a second. That it’s made up bullshit.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 30, 2017 • 8:35:31am
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HappyWarrior  Aug 30, 2017 • 8:38:13am

re: #306 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

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SHOOT THE LOOTERS. // But yeah I do remember that.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 30, 2017 • 8:39:25am

re: #304 The Vicious Babushka

Knowing Todd this story is probably made up bullshit.

Well, it’s probably a grossly simplified summary of whatever actually did happen. Todd is a perpetual grievance machine. Pretty much like FNC itself.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 30, 2017 • 8:40:14am

Not just here:

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HappyWarrior  Aug 30, 2017 • 8:41:57am

re: #308 Sir John Barron

Well, it’s probably a grossly simplified summary of whatever actually did happen. Todd is a perpetual grievance machine. Pretty much like FNC itself.

That would be my guess as well. I remember siblings of my neighborhood friends who had briefly been enrolled in public school before they were enrolled in a parochial one. The story they always told us is that they got in trouble for praying or bringing a Bible. My and my brother’s guess was they probably tried to force the Bible on some of the other kids. Either way, we felt we didn’t’ get the full story from people who obviously had a grudge against the public school system.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 30, 2017 • 8:42:18am

re: #309 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Not just here:

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Awful.

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Ace-o-aces  Aug 30, 2017 • 8:46:47am
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HappyWarrior  Aug 30, 2017 • 8:47:43am

re: #312 Ace-o-aces

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Lex Luther Not Really Bad When You Get To Know Him:
By Lex Luther.

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meteor  Aug 30, 2017 • 8:53:29am

re: #274 Dave In Austin

That could be an album cover.

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Ace-o-aces  Aug 30, 2017 • 8:55:22am

re: #313 HappyWarrior

Lex Luther Not Really Bad When You Get To Know Him:
By Lex Luther.

DR. DOOM SHOULD RULE THE WORLD AND DESTROY REED RICHARDS!
By Dr. Victor Von Doom.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 30, 2017 • 8:55:23am

Zombies, not humans, will save post-apocalyptic Earth

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Stanley Sea  Aug 30, 2017 • 8:56:22am

re: #150 ObserverArt

Morning.

Just checking. Has anyone heard anything from Allegro? I can’t say I saw anything from or about her yesterday.

Looks like the storm issues are going to go on for a long time. Heard earlier the reservoirs in Houston are still problematic and they will be trying to relieve them some more today, trying to not add too much the the already flooded city.

No word yet?

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 30, 2017 • 8:56:59am
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Ace-o-aces  Aug 30, 2017 • 8:57:11am

Not even September yet….

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HappyWarrior  Aug 30, 2017 • 8:57:31am

re: #318 The Vicious Babushka

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He doesn’t like to touch the little people.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 30, 2017 • 8:57:32am

re: #313 HappyWarrior

Lex Luther Not Really Bad When You Get To Know Him:
By Lex Luther.

Supervillain has very humorous yet complex reasons for being so serious

By Joe Kerr

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 30, 2017 • 8:58:49am

re: #319 Ace-o-aces

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Not even September yet….

Right. Can we just flash forward to 9/12 please?

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Skip Intro  Aug 30, 2017 • 8:59:56am

Why it’s time for Diane Feinstein to retire.

“The question is whether he can learn and change,” Feinstein told the crowd at the Commonwealth Club event. “If so, I believe he can be a good president.”

How out of touch do you have to be to say something so stupid?

sfgate.com

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Ace-o-aces  Aug 30, 2017 • 9:00:36am

re: #321 Eclectic Cyborg

Supervillain has very humorous yet complex reasons for being so serious

By Joe Kerr

Why you should all kneel before Zod.

by Zod.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 30, 2017 • 9:01:01am

re: #323 Skip Intro

Why it’s time for Diane Feinstein to retire.

How out of touch do you have to be to say something so stupid?

sfgate.com

That and CA has a lot of good young Reps like Ted Lieu who would be great in the Senate as well but yeah that’s a profoundly stupid statement by DiFi.

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nines09  Aug 30, 2017 • 9:01:46am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 30, 2017 • 9:02:15am

Will we get a visit from Trump?

70,000 people to be evacuated in Frankfurt on Sunday to clear WW2 bomb

Everyone within a mile of the bomb site has to be moved out.

Fortunately, my girlfriend lives at the other end of town…

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Belafon  Aug 30, 2017 • 9:04:59am

re: #323 Skip Intro

“If so” is a BIG qualifier.

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JordanRules  Aug 30, 2017 • 9:05:37am

re: #326 nines09

Aww Misha is beautiful!

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 30, 2017 • 9:05:49am

Japan’s deputy PM Taro Aso retracts Hitler remarks

Japanese Deputy Prime Minister and Finance Minister Taro Aso backtracked on Wednesday after he used Hitler as an example for legacy in politics.
“I don’t question a politician’s motives; it is delivering results that matter,” Aso said at a seminar for members of the ruling Liberal Democratic Party.
“Hitler, who killed millions of people, was no good, even if his intentions had been good.”

It is not the first time Aso has faced criticism over references to the Nazi regime. In 2013, in the midst of a debate on changing the Japanese constitution, he was also forced to apologize for referring to the Nazi takeover of Germany.
“Germany’s Weimar Constitution had been changed (by the Nazis) before anyone knew. Why don’t we learn from that technique?” he asked. In 2008, he compared the tactics of the Japanese opposition to those of Nazis.

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sagehen  Aug 30, 2017 • 9:07:07am
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Dr Lizardo  Aug 30, 2017 • 9:07:18am

re: #324 Ace-o-aces

Why you should all kneel before Zod.

by Zod.

I only want the best for humanity. That’s why I like them with dijon mustard.

- by Cthulhu.

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nines09  Aug 30, 2017 • 9:07:32am

re: #329 JordanRules

Gorgeous dog. Looks like a real treat.

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sagehen  Aug 30, 2017 • 9:09:09am
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Ace-o-aces  Aug 30, 2017 • 9:10:55am
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Sir John Barron  Aug 30, 2017 • 9:18:17am

re: #335 Ace-o-aces

I believe God is allowing #houston flooding to show the humanity of USA 🇺🇸 instead of the news being able to cover the pd actors of #antifa

— Kevin the Mayor

And the evidence for this is…..

/

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Jay C  Aug 30, 2017 • 9:19:24am

re: #327 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Will we get a visit from Trump?

70,000 people to be evacuated in Frankfurt on Sunday to clear WW2 bomb

Everyone within a mile of the bomb site has to be moved out.

Fortunately, my girlfriend lives at the other end of town…

So, assuming that the “1.4 tonnen” of explosive referred to in the German article is 1400kg, that’s over 3,000 pounds of TNT. A pretty big bomb, in any case (but is a mile-wide evac zone really necessary?)

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JordanRules  Aug 30, 2017 • 9:20:13am

This ignorance from yesterday has been rightly pilloried.

This one is fun!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 30, 2017 • 9:21:35am

re: #337 Jay C

So, assuming that the “1.4 tonnen” of explosive referred to in the German article is 1400kg, that’s over 3,000 pounds of TNT. A pretty big bomb, in any case (but is a mile-wide evac zone really necessary?)

That is what the map says…I guess they are concerned with shock wave and property damage, broken glass, etc.

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JordanRules  Aug 30, 2017 • 9:32:28am
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FormerDirtDart  Aug 30, 2017 • 9:35:09am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 30, 2017 • 9:37:16am

re: #341 FormerDirtDart

This speaks volume about the Texas educational system…

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Belafon  Aug 30, 2017 • 9:39:45am

re: #340 JordanRules

From what I read, there’s not enough people to monitor twitter for rescues. These people need to call someone. (I can’t see the picture, so maybe it’s showing they tried.)

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Belafon  Aug 30, 2017 • 9:40:49am

re: #341 FormerDirtDart

What’s in the picture?

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JordanRules  Aug 30, 2017 • 9:42:47am

re: #343 Belafon

They have definitely tried everything and lots of folks are posting on social media to have other folks help so they can save their battery life.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 30, 2017 • 9:43:10am

re: #334 sagehen

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The small hand of the yam!

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Timothy Watson  Aug 30, 2017 • 9:43:24am

re: #344 Belafon

What’s in the picture.

Picture from a rooftop looking out at houses with water up to the second story.

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Jay C  Aug 30, 2017 • 9:44:24am

re: #341 FormerDirtDart

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OK, IANAEngineer, but don’t “drainage tunnels” need someplace to drain TO? The Houston area is uniformly described as “low-lying” - Wikipedia gives its “altitude” as “80 feet” - not a lot of elevation, and in what was, primevally, a flattish wetland - how are these tunnels supposed to serious help with volumes of water measured in cubic fucking miles dropped in a couple of days.

I like and admire Elon Musk, but I don’t think he’s a civil engineer, either: I think he hit the “send” button a little too quickly this time.

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JordanRules  Aug 30, 2017 • 9:45:07am
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FormerDirtDart  Aug 30, 2017 • 9:45:57am

re: #344 Belafon

What’s in the picture?

Does this work for you?
Image: DIfVjr8XYAMpICY.jpg

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Belafon  Aug 30, 2017 • 9:47:07am

re: #350 FormerDirtDart

Does this work for you?
Image: DIfVjr8XYAMpICY.jpg

Thanks.

Maybe the tunnels could drain to the Earth’s core. //

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 30, 2017 • 9:47:51am

re: #348 Jay C

OK, IANAEngineer, but don’t “drainage tunnels” need someplace to drain TO? The Houston area is uniformly described as “low-lying” - Wikipedia gives its “altitude” as “80 feet” - not a lot of elevation, and in what was, primevally, a flattish wetland - how are these tunnels supposed to serious help with volumes of water measured in cubic fucking miles dropped in a couple of days.

I like and admire Elon Musk, but I don’t think he’s a civil engineer, either: I think he hit the “send” button a little too quickly this time.

My final tweet in the series

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BeachDem  Aug 30, 2017 • 9:48:38am

What he said:

I also want to thank my people. Ben Carson, as you know, is here from HUD. And Linda McMahon from Small Business is … I say, this is not small business, Linda, this is big business when you add it all up. You’re going to be giving away many, many millions of dollars to help people out.

What the WH readout says he said:

I want to thank my staff, my Cabinet. We have quite a few of our Cabinet here. You know Ben Carson, obviously, from HUD, and Tom Price and Linda McMahon — Small Business. Small business, which is now big business, because when you add them all up you’re going to be helping a lot of the people in Texas and doing a fantastic job. Thank you very much, Linda.

wonkette.com

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 30, 2017 • 9:49:31am

Harvey remnants moving through MS now. Some rains and wind over the past hour or so. My area is under a tornado warning for the next 30 minutes.

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Belafon  Aug 30, 2017 • 9:54:59am

re: #352 FormerDirtDart

My final tweet in the series

Get your electric car and space program set up.

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JordanRules  Aug 30, 2017 • 9:56:59am
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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 30, 2017 • 9:57:32am

re: #351 Belafon

Thanks.

Maybe the tunnels could drain to the Earth’s core. //

Maybe rocket ships could carry the water to outer space.//

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b.d. (bill d.)  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:00:05am

re: #357 The Vicious Babushka

Maybe rocket ships could carry the water to outer space.//

Astronautless rockets too, no doubt…

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Stanley Sea  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:00:35am

Another typo, they can’t spell worth shit

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alloutofcrazyhere  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:00:57am

re: #351 Belafon

I like Musk, I really do, but this hero worship of him as some sort of super genius gets old quick. What makes him special isn’t his ideas, which are good, but it’s his willingness to take financial risks to see them through, even if the are unconventional.

A lot of people with his money are more interested in making more of it through political connections, obscene tax breaks, and basically screwing over the “lesser folks.”

He’s not a saint by any means, but at least he’s doing something.

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wheat-dogg  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:03:10am

re: #309 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Not just here:

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Hong Kong, Macau and Guangdong province got hit hard by two typhoons in two weeks. The Macau casinos even had to close!

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Jay C  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:03:20am

re: #357 The Vicious Babushka

Maybe rocket ships could carry the water to outer space.//

More business for SpaceX!!!

(Just by coincidence, I’m sure)

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Sir John Barron  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:04:28am

re: #353 BeachDem

You know Ben Carson, obviously, from HUD

“Because, obviously, where else would he be from? He’s black.”

I think his ad-lib remarks were better than the prepared ones.

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Skip Intro  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:05:14am

re: #357 The Vicious Babushka

Maybe rocket ships could carry the water to outer space.//

Why can’t the tunnels bring the water to California where it’s needed? We’ll take the water out of the tunnels and fill them with dry for the return trip to Texas.

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Ace-o-aces  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:05:19am
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Belafon  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:05:31am

re: #360 alloutofcrazyhere

I like Musk, I really do, but this hero worship of him as some sort of super genius gets old quick. What makes him special isn’t his ideas, which are good, but it’s his willingness to take financial risks to see them through, even if the are unconventional.

A lot of people with his money are more interested in making more of it through political connections, obscene tax breaks, and basically screwing over the “lesser folks.”

He’s not a saint by any means, but at least he’s doing something.

Musk reminds me of the Thomas Edison we’re taught about in school. It’s not that he knew what to try to get the light bulb to work. It’s that he didn’t stop until he got the light bulb to work. Sometimes, you do need to brute force. And, like you said, I admire him for spending his and other people’s money on actual projects rather than throwing it at the stock market.

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lawhawk  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:06:29am

re: #359 Stanley Sea

Not a single one of the people working for Trump are detail oriented.

The ability to spell is a basic requirement for publicity/advertising/media relations. That you can’t spell for shit shows you don’t know/care and are too busy spewing nonsense to pay attention to what you’re saying.

The inability to keep track of details shows you don’t care about anything or how you’re perceived and that also goes to the fact that no one around Trump shows the slightest bit of competency in their roles.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:06:50am

re: #366 Belafon

Musk reminds me of the Thomas Edison we’re taught about in school. It’s not that he knew what to try to get the light bulb to work. It’s that he didn’t stop until he got the light bulb to work. Sometimes, you do need to brute force. And, like you said, I admire him for spending his and other people’s money on actual projects rather than throwing it at the stock market.

Also, he had Henry Ford to bankroll his projects.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:08:09am

re: #353 BeachDem

Here’s a video of a bunch of arrogant dickbags huddled in a room thanking each other for being so good at disaster relief. The water was still rising 220 miles up the coast in Houston, but it was warm and dry for the Presidential Circle Jerk in Corpus Christi! Also, too, why is The Narcissist in Chief’s placecard in gazillion-point font?

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lawhawk  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:08:36am

re: #368 The Vicious Babushka

And Musk has Edison’s flair for marketing and self-promotion.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:09:34am

re: #369 Sir John Barron

Or did they decide not to highlight the fact that regular Americans are crossing state lines with their fishing boats to rescue their fellow citizens stranded on roofs, and the Six Billion Dollar Cabinet is too busy thanking each other to write any personal checks?

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:11:13am

re: #370 lawhawk

And Musk has Edison’s flair for marketing and self-promotion.

The bottom line, literally, is that he is charging less than a third what the legacy contractors do for launch services.

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BeachDem  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:11:40am

re: #367 lawhawk

Not a single one of the people working for Trump are detail oriented.

The ability to spell is a basic requirement for publicity/advertising/media relations. That you can’t spell for shit shows you don’t know/care and are too busy spewing nonsense to pay attention to what you’re saying.

The inability to keep track of details shows you don’t care about anything or how you’re perceived and that also goes to the fact that no one around Trump shows the slightest bit of competency in their roles.

Not according to this idiotic piece in the NYT—Criticizing spelling is elitist.

nytimes.com

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m0nkeyb0y  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:15:18am

re: #220 Timothy Watson

Those poor, defenseless insurance companies:

richmond.com

*spit*

Death panels emboldened along with the rest of Trump’s Deplorables

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Belafon  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:17:12am

re: #373 BeachDem

Not according to this idiotic piece in the NYT—Criticizing spelling is elitist.

nytimes.com

Remember how it was the left that was coddling people and making them unprepared?

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lawhawk  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:17:17am

re: #373 BeachDem

Trump tweets can have typos. I get that. I have occasional typos too - mostly from when I’m on my phone and not at a keyboard.

The problem is that the WH and other official communications - press releases, backgrounders, etc., are rife with typos and other errors. We’ve seen the laundry list, from getting the names of people and places wrong to ordinary typos or using the wrong homonym or homophone.

Those are items prepped by his comms team.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:18:18am

re: #210 FormerDirtDart

Ummmm…
That averages around $179.49 per assistance request…
Sure, maybe all requests haven’t been approved and funded

Payout average per assistance request is now down to ~$176.20
What is that, around 4 cases of Dasani water from that price gouging Kwik-E-Mart from yesterday?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:18:57am

re: #376 lawhawk

Trump tweets can have typos. I get that. I have occasional typos too - mostly from when I’m on my phone and not at a keyboard.

The problem is that the WH and other official communications - press releases, backgrounders, etc., are rife with typos and other errors. We’ve seen the laundry list, from getting the names of people and places wrong to ordinary typos or using the wrong homonym or homophone.

Those are items prepped by his comms team.

Right. I mean if me a lowly law clerk is admonished and rightfully so for spelling errors by my boss, why shouldn’t Trump’s team get on official documents?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:19:38am

re: #377 FormerDirtDart

Payout average per assistance request is now down to ~$176.20
What is that, around 4 cases of Dasani water from that price gouging Kwik-E-Mart from yesterday?

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So maybe now you see why cutting FEMA funds is stupid and unhelpful right? //

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Belafon  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:20:41am

And, if you’re not amazed at getting a rocket to land, then I never want to meet you in person.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:20:46am
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Belafon  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:21:51am

re: #382 FormerDirtDart

Where are the taco trucks?!!

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:22:00am

Batshit evangelists are our punishment for subsidizing superstition through tax exemptions.

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Belafon  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:22:54am

re: #384 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Batshit evangelists are our punishment for subsidizing superstition through tax exemptions.

Hurricane Harvey was sent to test Joel Osteen. And, guess what, he failed.

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BeachDem  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:23:53am

re: #376 lawhawk

Trump tweets can have typos. I get that. I have occasional typos too - mostly from when I’m on my phone and not at a keyboard.

The problem is that the WH and other official communications - press releases, backgrounders, etc., are rife with typos and other errors. We’ve seen the laundry list, from getting the names of people and places wrong to ordinary typos or using the wrong homonym or homophone.

Those are items prepped by his comms team.

Fish rots from the head. Your typos, or mine, are different from the president of the United States. If he doesn’t care, why should his idiotic underlings? (I’ll bet he looked at that inauguration poster countless times, admiring his heroic pose, but never spotted the typo.)

Back in my ad agency days, if we printed a brochure with a typo, we reprinted it—at our expense.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:24:02am

re: #384 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

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Batshit evangelists are our punishment for subsidizing superstition through tax exemptions.

What a sick of a bitch.

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Romantic Heretic  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:24:51am

re: #337 Jay C

Oh yes. That much explosive can create a crater a little larger than this. From what I recall the crater was created by a Luftmine B which is a little smaller than the one in the article about the evacuation in Hamburg.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:24:58am

re: #380 Kragar

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Pretty much.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:28:00am

This is frightening, yet historically accurate. Presidents who run for second terms tend to get reelected.

The other thing - and this is something Hillary Haters ignore - is that after a 2-term Presidency, voters tend to turn to the other party.

People who tell you that it was Al Gore’s or Hillary Clinton’s race to lose, that their election was the more likely result but they screwed it up by not being good enough are full of shit. Or lying.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:28:54am

Using Wiles logic, the hurricanes that plague the Great Plains are God’s punishment for how we treated Indians and how suspectable that region is to con men like Wiles but I’m not an asshole who goes around saying regions deserve natural disasters.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:29:11am

re: #390 Blind Frog Belly White

So Bush the First was just a bizarre aberration?

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Kragar  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:29:31am
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Sir John Barron  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:29:36am

re: #384 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Batshit evangelists are our punishment for subsidizing superstition through tax exemptions.

Then why doesn’t G-d send hurricanes to San Francisco?

/

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HappyWarrior  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:29:47am

re: #390 Blind Frog Belly White

This is frightening, yet historically accurate. Presidents who run for second terms tend to get reelected.

The other thing - and this is something Hillary Haters ignore - is that after a 2-term Presidency, voters tend to turn to the other party.

People who tell you that it was Al Gore’s or Hillary Clinton’s race to lose, that their election was the more likely result but they screwed it up by not being good enough are full of shit. Or lying.

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It is. I would be shocked if he got re-elected still but we can’t take anything for granted.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:30:23am

re: #392 Eclectic Cyborg

So Bush the First was just a bizarre aberration?

He was actually serving his party’s third consecutive term, so his defeat was not surprising.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:30:42am

re: #392 Eclectic Cyborg

So Bush the First was just a bizarre aberration?

Look at it this way, Carter and Bush are the only one term presidents since Nixon. I know Nixon didn’t serve out his second term but he was elected to a second one.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:31:42am

re: #392 Eclectic Cyborg

So Bush the First was just a bizarre aberration?

Tendency =/= Fate.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:31:42am

re: #396 Sir John Barron

He was actually serving his party’s third consecutive term, so his defeat was not surprising.

Right. The most consecutive years a single party has held the WH is 20. Anyhow 2020 is going to be extremely important because of the census.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:32:00am

re: #390 Blind Frog Belly White

I do think people are generally underestimating the possibility that the Trump presidency will last another 7 years.

He has a lot of aces up his sleeve, which he will pull out when the time comes,

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Romantic Heretic  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:32:40am

re: #384 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

S’matter, Preacher Wiles? Disappointed you don’t get invited to any of ‘the movement’s’ parties?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:33:00am

I am really pissed to see the left purer than thou already shitting on Harris. It’s like they want to find fault with anyone who could help us get over this Trump disaster. Is she perfect, no? Will she have policies that are in line with what most liberals want? Yes. Is she better than Trump? Hell Yes.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:33:04am

re: #399 HappyWarrior

Right. The most consecutive years a single party has held the WH is 20. Anyhow 2020 is going to be extremely important because of the census.

And census workers are being cut with the purpose of intentionally under-counting voters in blue areas.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:33:29am

re: #397 HappyWarrior

Look at it this way, Carter and Bush are the only one term presidents since Nixon. I know Nixon didn’t serve out his second term but he was elected to a second one.

And Carter was the only one serving his party’s first term. Carter was the only president in the 20th century to lose re-election to his party’s second straight term.

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Renaissance_Man  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:33:34am

re: #390 Blind Frog Belly White

I’ve said this since November. If Trump runs again in 2020, which is by no means guaranteed but is likely, he will win easily.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:34:30am

re: #405 Renaissance_Man

I’ve said this since November. If Trump runs again in 2020, which is by no means guaranteed but is likely, he will win easily.

Cannot see the Dems getting their shit together in time to field a candidate who will appeal to enough voters in the right places.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:34:41am

re: #405 Renaissance_Man

I’ve said this since November. If Trump runs again in 2020, which is by no means guaranteed but is likely, he will win easily.

I don’t believe that but i don’t believe it will be easy to beat him either. You know damn well that the Russians are going to do anything they can to handicap and divide the left and sadly a lot of lefties will fall for it again..

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HappyWarrior  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:35:48am

I dunno guys. I think we can find the right candidate. I don’t believe it will be easy but I’,m not 100% cynical either because I don’t see the next Dem nominee as being despised as Clinton was but then again I underestimated how the culture of hate directed at Obama formed.

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JordanRules  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:35:53am

Dang y’all. He barely won last time by cheating. If they continue to cheat then yeah, he could steal another one.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:36:47am

re: #409 JordanRules

Dang y’all. He barely won last time by cheating. If they continue to cheat then yeah, he could steal another one.

If we can get the Rust Belt back, he’s finished. The Midterms are going to be very interesting next fall.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:36:59am

re: #409 JordanRules

Dang y’all. He barely won last time by cheating. If they continue to let him blatantly cheat and get away with it then yeah, he could steal another one.

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Belafon  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:38:04am

re: #390 Blind Frog Belly White

This is frightening, yet historically accurate. Presidents who run for second terms tend to get reelected.

The other thing - and this is something Hillary Haters ignore - is that after a 2-term Presidency, voters tend to turn to the other party.

People who tell you that it was Al Gore’s or Hillary Clinton’s race to lose, that their election was the more likely result but they screwed it up by not being good enough are full of shit. Or lying.

It can be uncommon, but two of the last six that ran for reelection lost.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:38:26am

re: #408 HappyWarrior

I dunno guys. I think we can find the right candidate. I don’t believe it will be easy but I’,m not 100% cynical either because I don’t see the next Dem nominee as being despised as Clinton was but then again I underestimated how the culture of hate directed at Obama formed.

The hatred was there, it just needed to be directed at a target.

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JordanRules  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:38:50am

re: #411 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And that’s not him really winning or a reflection of anything wrong with the Dems IMO.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:40:04am

re: #414 JordanRules

And that’s not him really winning or a reflection of anything wrong with the Dems IMO.

Despite what people have said, the Dems have been doing pretty well in these special elections. I’m disappointed we didn’t win Price and Zinke’s seats but those were very Republican seats and both candidates that ran made it very competitive.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:40:59am

re: #405 Renaissance_Man

I’ve said this since November. If Trump runs again in 2020, which is by no means guaranteed but is likely, he will win easily.

Well, I’m not sure I’d put it QUITE like that. What I’d say is what I’ve said - Presidents who run for second terms are likely to get reelected, and those who run for the 3rd consecutive term for their party are likely to lose.

The urge to “let him finish what he started”, as well as the urge to “give the other guys a chance” runs deep in the swing voters.

Bad economic conditions helped kill Carter’s and Bush Sr.’s incumbent advantages, and it has been pointed out that the current economic expansion has gone on a long time. What goes up, etc.

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Renaissance_Man  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:42:06am

re: #413 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The hatred was there, it just needed to be directed at a target.

Absolutely. Cult media has created hate - pure, unbridled hate. It doesn’t have a purpose or a specific target, because it doesn’t need one. Conservative cultists plug in daily to feel hate, and the pleasure of feeling such hate is all they want. They don’t want any particular policies, or any particular results - all they want is someone to hate, and that’s what their daily dose of media gives them. Then they act on that hate in the simplest way they know how - vote the way they’re told, which has the benefit of letting them express it and is nonviolent.

Couple that with gerrymandering and voter suppression to ensure that those hate votes are the ones that matter most, and a Trump victory is guaranteed. And it will not be close.

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Belafon  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:42:27am

If we’re going to pull “history tells all” you might want to look at the history of presidents who lose the popular vote the first election.

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Jay C  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:42:27am

re: #377 FormerDirtDart

Payout average per assistance request is now down to ~$176.20
What is that, around 4 cases of Dasani water from that price gouging Kwik-E-Mart from yesterday?

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SO why is Gov. Greg Abbott wearing that shirt with the State Seal and (presumably) his name on it? Does he think wearing a quasi-“uniform” makes him look more official, somehow, than mere civvies? Or than no one would know who he is? I understand the custom of “personalized” gear for officials - like a rainjacket, frex, if he was outside making an inspection, but for an indoor news conference? Is this a Texas thing?

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HappyWarrior  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:43:26am

re: #416 Blind Frog Belly White

Well, I’m not sure I’d put it QUITE like that. What I’d say is what I’ve said - Presidents who run for second terms are likely to get reelected, and those who run for the 3rd consecutive term for their party are likely to lose.

The urge to “let him finish what he started”, as well as the urge to “give the other guys a chance” runs deep in the swing voters.

Bad economic conditions helped kill Carter’s and Bush Sr.’s incumbent advantages, and it has been pointed out that the current economic expansion has gone on a long time. What goes up, etc.

That is true. It is often poor economic conditions that hurt chances at second terms and the economy is doing well. But quite honestly, if there’s anything this administration has taught us, it’s that it’s all very unconventional. We may have to beat him unconventionally.

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steve_davis  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:43:47am

re: #203 FormerDirtDart

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Devry was never part of the fly-by-nighter lawsuits. They got sued because they had aggressive sales folks who promised what couldn’t be promised. I can’t say more, because it could put me in a conflict, but I know enough about Devry to know that they’ve never made me uncomfortable in the way that Kaplan did when I worked for them years ago and they insisted on changing grades without my consent.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:43:55am

re: #404 Sir John Barron

Hoover and Taft also lost their reelection bids.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:44:13am

re: #418 Belafon

If we’re going to pull “history tells all” you might want to look at the history of presidents who lose the popular vote the first election.

Adams (lost), Hayes (didn’t run again), Harrison (lost), and Bush (won).

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HappyWarrior  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:45:11am

re: #422 Joe Bacon 🌹

Hoover and Taft also lost their reelection bids.

Taft may be the only one of those four who had a decent economy in his re-election. And he had Roosevelt running against him. So pehraps this could be a 1912 like situation if Kasich follows up on his promise to run.

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lawhawk  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:47:33am

re: #419 Jay C

No, it’s not a Texas thing. I’ve seen other state officials do that too.

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JordanRules  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:48:17am

Considering his re-electability along the lines of conventional wisdom and historical election trends is hella weird to me.

Our shit was JUST hacked and we haven’t done shit about it. VRA gutted and voter suppression is in overdrive and sanctioned by the party in power. Disinfo campaign is still wreaking havoc.

Sometimes it really does feel like we’re all in that room having sensible conversations while it’s burning all around us.

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HypnoToad  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:48:33am

Trump won’t win in 2020 simply because either he will have disintegrated, or the country will have. He is visibly into mental deterioration and won’t last until the next election unless we truly want a completely incoherent moron.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:51:44am

Not to be morbid but we don’t even know if Trump will be alive in 2020. Not to be even morbid but we haven’t had a president die in office in a long time and he is our oldest elected President.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:52:14am

re: #418 Belafon

If we’re going to pull “history tells all” you might want to look at the history of presidents who lose the popular vote the first election.

Nobody’s saying that. What I’m saying is that we have to remember that the incumbent President gets reelected more often than not. Therefore, no matter how hideously bad Trump is, we should BY NO MEANS assume he’ll be easy to beat, if he manages not to resign or be impeached till 2020.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:54:40am

re: #393 Kragar

Pastor Joel Osteen speaks out after Harvey: ‘The city didn’t ask us to become a shelter’

You know Joel, I remember someone about 2000 years ago saying something important about “the least of these”. You may want to go look that one up.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:56:03am

re: #430 Eclectic Cyborg

Pastor Joel Osteen speaks out after Harvey: ‘The city didn’t ask us to become a shelter’

You know Joel, I remember someone about 2000 years ago saying something important about “the least of these”. You may want to go look that one up.

I’d point out to Joel that a lot of the volunteers in Houston weren’t asked by the city to do anything either. It’s selflessness, Joel, you know that thing you missed in Bible study class because you were too busy wondering how you could combine the worst elements of theocracy and objectivism together.

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electrotek  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:57:00am

Hypothetical: how much worse would it be if rainfall similar to (or more) were to fall on Mexico City? The city is built on a lake so I’m left wondering how it would be worse since Mexico City is a larger city than Houston of course.

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nines09  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:59:16am

Kind of sums up a lot of the ignorance on display. This woman tells it like it is. You nailed it, sister. Boom.

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Belafon  Aug 30, 2017 • 11:00:08am

re: #429 Blind Frog Belly White

Nobody’s saying that. What I’m saying is that we have to remember that the incumbent President gets reelected more often than not. Therefore, no matter how hideously bad Trump is, we should BY NO MEANS assume he’ll be easy to beat, if he manages not to resign or be impeached till 2020.

If the elections since then are any guide, I think a lot less people are assuming that the best candidate will win. Which is a good thing. The school board election in VA, where the GOP called the black woman running arrogant, saw her win by a 2-1 margin.

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JordanRules  Aug 30, 2017 • 11:01:17am

I knew about the informal Waffle House index but this is next level.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 30, 2017 • 11:02:05am

re: #434 Belafon

If the elections since then are any guide, I think a lot less people are assuming that the best candidate will win. Which is a good thing. The school board election in VA, where the GOP called the black woman running arrogant saw her win by a 2-1 margin.

That was in my home county no less. You know, Fairfax County is a strong Democratic county but it does have plenty of Republican and conservative areas still so that woman’s win (I forget her name) was impressive. Fairfax County used to be Ken Cuccinneli’s turf before he was AG for example.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 30, 2017 • 11:02:48am

re: #435 JordanRules

I knew about the informal Waffle House index but this is next level.

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The Waffle SS? Skilletskills?

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nines09  Aug 30, 2017 • 11:04:18am

re: #435 JordanRules

Scattered, smothered and covered. Now you know….

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 30, 2017 • 11:13:37am

re: #434 Belafon

If the elections since then are any guide, I think a lot less people are assuming that the best candidate will win. Which is a good thing. The school board election in VA, where the GOP called the black woman running arrogant saw her win by a 2-1 margin.

Here’s the thing - everything makes a difference. For example, 2018.

On the one hand, we face a difficult map in the Senate, because we did well in 2012, so we have lots of Dem Senate seats to defend.

On the other hand, the party in power tends to lose seats in midterms.

On yet another hand, Democrats tend not to show up for midterms.

On still another hand, Democrats are very, very fired up.

On yet one more hand, our losses in 2010 led to a lot of gerrymandering such that we might need to exceed a 7% advantage in total House vote just to break even.

On a further hand, a true wave election can swamp gerrymandering in a lot of ‘light pink’ districts.

I can keep at this all day, and not run out of hands.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 30, 2017 • 11:13:42am

re: #392 Eclectic Cyborg

So Bush the First was just a bizarre aberration?

John Adams
John Quincy Adams
Martin Van Buren
James K. Polk
Franklin Pierce
James Buchanan
Rutherford B. Hayes
Grover Cleveland
Benjamin Harrison
Grover Cleveland
William Howard Taft
Herbert Hoover
Jimmy Carter
George H.W. Bush

And I didn’t even include those that took over office and were not re-elected. Or those that took over and were then elected to serve in their own right.

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sagehen  Aug 30, 2017 • 11:19:42am

Tyrants Always Fall - The Nieldsre: #357 The Vicious Babushka

Maybe rocket ships could carry the water to outer space.//

Perhaps a pipeline to California farm country?

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Sir John Barron  Aug 30, 2017 • 11:20:12am

re: #422 Joe Bacon 🌹

Hoover and Taft also lost their reelection bids.

Right, but Hoover and Taft were running for their party’s fourth consecutive term (like George H.W. Bush in 1992).

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sagehen  Aug 30, 2017 • 11:29:29am

re: #366 Belafon

Musk reminds me of the Thomas Edison we’re taught about in school. It’s not that he knew what to try to get the light bulb to work. It’s that he didn’t stop until he got the light bulb to work. Sometimes, you do need to brute force. And, like you said, I admire him for spending his and other people’s money on actual projects rather than throwing it at the stock market.

Reminder:

In the early days of commercial electricity, when Thomas Edison and Nikola Tesla were competing for municipal contracts, venture capital, etc… Edison was insistent on direct current. Tesla had invented alternating current; it was a better idea. Direct current would need a generating plant every couple of miles, with alternating current you could build a bigger plant ten miles out of town and not have to deal with the noise and smoke.

So Edison (whose marketing department was much better) held a huge press conference for all the mayors, bankers, newspaper photogs etc, told them AC was just too dangerous. He “proved” it by electrocuting an elephant right in front of them.

Tesla went around to everybody trying to explain that AC and DC were the exact same amount of dangerous, that 20,000 volts is 20,000 volts… but in a competition between Real True Science and a photo of a dead elephant, the dead elephant wins every time.

Tesla lost all his contracts, his investors, he went bankrupt. Edison swooped into bankruptcy court, bought Tesla’s patents, built alternating current plants throughout the country and became very rich and famous.

(20 years later, Tesla again was business-stupid and got ripped off by Westinghouse.)

Edison spent the rest of his life blocking Tesla’s every endeavor; when Edison was President Wilson’s special science/technology advisor during WWI, he made sure Wilson never heard about Tesla’s invention of sonar, wi-fi, or laser death-rays.

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Jebediah, RBG  Aug 30, 2017 • 11:30:34am

re: #68 Joe Bacon 🌹

Some of those pricks have tried to friend me on Facebook but I’ve blocked those who got pleasure out of bullying me. I’ve heard the bullshit about forgiving them but I won’t.

Anyone who WANTS to forgive certainly can, but I get annoyed at the notion that if, later on, the victim can’t or won’t forgive, THEY are being the bad guy.
“Sure, I was a monstrous prick to you in high school. But I’m not anymore, so you should forgive me.”
Fuck that. You have zero obligation to make them feel better. You had to live with it for years, they can fucking live with it too.


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