House GOP Wants to Cut $1B From Disaster Funds to Finance Trump’s Imaginary Border Wall

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How can you even start talking about how utterly despicable and morally bankrupt this one is? House GOP eyeing $1B disaster funds cut to finance wall.

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump is promising billions to help Texas rebuild from Harvey-caused epic flooding, but his Republican allies in the House are looking at cutting almost $1 billion from disaster accounts to help finance the president’s border wall.

The pending reduction to the Federal Emergency Management Agency’s disaster relief account is part of a massive spending bill that the House is scheduled to consider next week when lawmakers return from their August recess. The $876 million cut, which is included in the 1,305-page measure’s homeland security section, pays for roughly half the cost of Trump’s down payment on the U.S.-Mexico border wall that the president repeatedly promised Mexico would finance.

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gocart mozart  Aug 30, 2017 • 8:32:07pm
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bratwurst  Aug 30, 2017 • 8:32:49pm
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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 30, 2017 • 8:33:42pm

Republican isolationists were highly resistant to FDR’s military build-up in 1939-41. Even they had enough sense to stop after Pearl Harbor though.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 30, 2017 • 8:38:53pm

From the last thread:

re: #128 Belafon

I thought it was cool they raised that money, but you’re right, the company hasn’t contributed squat out of their lots of money.

It would appear Apple raised all the money from their employees and customers, and not a dime of their own money.

So the actual amount they donated is 0.0%

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Nyet  Aug 30, 2017 • 8:40:31pm

The piece that hits the right notes.

Antifa’s unfortunate gift to the far right

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 30, 2017 • 8:43:08pm

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William Lewis  Aug 30, 2017 • 8:43:18pm

re: #5 Nyet

A right wing newspaper complaining about people opposed to the far right. I guess we should just let the Nazis win then.

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Nyet  Aug 30, 2017 • 8:44:05pm

Some people just like lynch mobs, I guess. *shrug*

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JordanRules  Aug 30, 2017 • 8:45:26pm

I’ve been wondering about him.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 30, 2017 • 8:45:30pm

LOL

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teleskiguy  Aug 30, 2017 • 8:48:59pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 30, 2017 • 8:49:06pm

theguardian.com

President promises federal support for ethanol to industry backer Chuck Grassley a day after reports that Trump Jr will meet with Grassley’s committee

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Belafon  Aug 30, 2017 • 8:49:25pm

I am against Antifa for two reasons:
1. Too many of them seem to be looking for violence.
2. They wear masks. And they do it in hopes of being able to get away with stuff without being caught.

There’s a difference between being ready to defend yourself and looking for violence. And there is no reason to wear a mask. If you can’t do it without the mask, don’t do it.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 30, 2017 • 8:49:27pm

re: #6 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

You cad, you’ve plagiarized my work

///

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retired cynic  Aug 30, 2017 • 8:50:17pm

re: #12 Anymouse 🌹

theguardian.com

No conflicts of interest, here, by cracky.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 30, 2017 • 8:50:46pm

re: #13 Belafon

I am against Antifa for two reasons:
1. Too many of them seem to be looking for violence.
2. They wear masks. And they do it in hopes of being able to get away with stuff without being caught.

There’s a difference between being ready to defend yourself and looking for violence. And there is no reason to wear a mask. If you can’t do it without the mask, don’t do it.

That’s precisely why the Ku Klux Klan wore masks: To avoid being identified when doing violence. I don’t see a whole lot of difference except one:

Antifa doesn’t call for genocide.

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Belafon  Aug 30, 2017 • 9:00:05pm

re: #16 Anymouse 🌹

That’s precisely why the Ku Klux Klan wore masks: To avoid being identified when doing violence. I don’t see a whole lot of difference except one:

Antifa doesn’t call for genocide.

The KKK comparison does pop into my mind, but I dismiss it for the reasons you mentioned. Antifa’s “antics,” to me, seem to be about drawing attention to themselves rather than fixing the problem. I don’t know if that’s intentional or not, but they are an easy distraction for those who would like to change the subject. And that includes too many people who would be sympathizers otherwise, like my parents. Showing up in large numbers, as we’ve seen in Boston and Dallas is far more effective.

But, just to make clear, I am not against people defending themselves. If you get hit, or are about to get hit, I have no problem with you making it so that person doesn’t hit anyone the rest of the night.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 30, 2017 • 9:02:43pm

Can I Get an Amen? (Goes to Juanita Jean’s)

Federal judge blocks Texas anti-“sanctuary city” law, which would take effect Friday. The law strips the rights of municipalities to write such laws.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 30, 2017 • 9:05:51pm

Tropical disturbance formed in the Western Gulf, and is expected to move north. It is currently rated at a 20% chance of development into a tropical cyclone.

nhc.noaa.gov

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 30, 2017 • 9:06:52pm

re: #16 Anymouse 🌹

That’s precisely why the Ku Klux Klan wore masks: To avoid being identified when doing violence. I don’t see a whole lot of difference except one:

Antifa doesn’t call for genocide.

Exactly. Antifa isn’t good, they are violent punks, but they are not equivalent to Nazis, which is what Trump continues to imply. When they aren’t being violent, the Antifa go back to being a nuisance at mom’s house. When Nazis aren’t being violent, they are still being Nazis.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 30, 2017 • 9:11:08pm

National Center for Environmental Prediction five-day loop for Tropical Storm Irma
mag.ncep.noaa.gov

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 30, 2017 • 9:12:38pm

On average I’d say Antifa’s heart is in the right place but their head not so much. My biggest practical critique is that they tend to let the neo-nazis pick the field of battle. In public the most effective weapon against white nationalists is sunlight & documentation. They don’t like having their identities exposed and for the consequences of their public hate orgies to reverberate into their private lives.

That said I’m not personally prone to focusing on Antifa’s admittedly counterproductive tactics because it tends to cede narrative ground to those who seek to create false equivalence.

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austin_blue  Aug 30, 2017 • 9:13:39pm

Can you get jet lagged just flying from Oakland to Austin? Yes you can! Altitude and time will do it. I’m a vegetable. Night all. Sweet scaly dreams, and dream of good outcomes for our east Texans.

If wishes were fishes we all could cast nets, but those folks are hurting.

Send money. I can guarantee that the R Congress will not pay to rebuild what has been lost in the 4th largest city in the US. They are just a pitiful bunch of fuckwits. This was a climate change storm, and they will never admit it.

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Nyet  Aug 30, 2017 • 9:14:42pm

re: #13 Belafon

There’s yet another reason. Described by a person very sympathetic to the “antifa” (incl. defense of their violence; but that person is also a communist, so that’s hardly shocking, historically):

vox.com

They other key point, which probably isn’t made enough, is that these are revolutionary leftists. They’re not concerned about the fact that fascism targets liberalism. These are self-described revolutionaries. They have no allegiance to liberal democracy, which they believe has failed the marginalized communities they’re defending. They’re anarchists and communists who are way outside the traditional conservative-liberal spectrum.

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JordanRules  Aug 30, 2017 • 9:16:54pm

Yikes!

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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 30, 2017 • 9:19:17pm

Antifa is the violent wing of anti Trumpism. Right when and where We Don’t Want Any.

Kidding aside, those guys show up where I’m protesting with my friends and we GTFO. We may have to defend against the violent, we will not be the ones to instigate it.

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Ubiq  Aug 30, 2017 • 9:20:41pm
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goddamnedfrank  Aug 30, 2017 • 9:21:05pm

re: #24 Nyet

There’s yet another reason. Described by a person very sympathetic to the “antifa” (incl. defense of their violence; but that person is also a communist, so that’s hardly shocking, historically):

vox.com

Yeah that pretty much rings true. Antifa street engagement doesn’t seem very different from the Black Bloc except for a refocusing of aggression away from police onto white nationalists. The obvious problem is the implication this shift holds for broader destabilization and potential terrorism against other perceived enemies.

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freetoken  Aug 30, 2017 • 9:22:08pm

re: #25 JordanRules

Damage is not something that is undone. It just dies off.

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Belafon  Aug 30, 2017 • 9:23:03pm

re: #25 JordanRules

Yikes!

[Embedded content]

“I’m not a threat to the US. It’s those N****** and media (Jews)!” - White supremacist

No one, except maybe Rick Sanchez, thinks they’re a threat.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 30, 2017 • 9:24:13pm

Another view of the various storms, with colour to show approximate wind speed, shows the tropical disturbance in the Western Gulf near Houston in a few days with fifty to sixty knot winds, and Irma near the end of the five day loop moving in with deep low pressure of 888 mbars.

weather.rap.ucar.edu

Harvey in the loop moves through Tennessee and Kentucky and dissipates over Ohio.

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JordanRules  Aug 30, 2017 • 9:26:38pm
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JordanRules  Aug 30, 2017 • 9:30:10pm

Thread with hilarious pics from the llama and alpaca costume contest via 4-H at the Minnesota State Fair.

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sagehen  Aug 30, 2017 • 9:31:44pm

re: #12 Anymouse 🌹

theguardian.com

Didn’t they used to be more subtle than that?

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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 30, 2017 • 9:36:07pm

re: #34 sagehen

Didn’t they used to be more subtle than that?

Brazen af. Result of normalizing white resentment as policy

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 30, 2017 • 9:46:02pm

Want more proof Trump fucked up the trip to Texas

BEHOLD

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JordanRules  Aug 30, 2017 • 9:53:23pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 30, 2017 • 9:55:36pm

Speaking of policy, I was walking out of a bank owned building downtown. I realized I was in a kind of architectural cage, a cage writ large as befits the fact the banks have us caged in as customers. So I snapped this with my DSLR. Just to show that trapped feeling. Sure I can slip the bars but nothing changed when I did so.

The Bank Cage
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Stanley Sea  Aug 30, 2017 • 9:55:42pm

re: #36 FormerDirtDart

Want more proof Trump fucked up the trip to Texas

BEHOLD

[Embedded content]

I just choked. I’m ok

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teleskiguy  Aug 30, 2017 • 9:57:13pm

How popular has climbing 14,000 ft. peaks in Colorado become? A then-and-now pictorial.

facebook.com

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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 30, 2017 • 9:57:48pm

re: #36 FormerDirtDart

Want more proof Trump fucked up the trip to Texas

BEHOLD

[Embedded content]

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Stanley Sea  Aug 30, 2017 • 9:58:32pm

Sorry ya’ll, ignore

vAH4E4+/xjolQH4Hdra8PCNLlpm9uxjp

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teleskiguy  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:04:37pm
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goddamnedfrank  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:04:57pm

re: #36 FormerDirtDart

Want more proof Trump fucked up the trip to Texas

BEHOLD

[Embedded content]

It really speaks volumes that Trump’s team couldn’t find one fucking Hurricane victim supporter that he could at least pretend to have an empathetic moment listening to / hugging / consoling. Dude only has one approach to human interaction, the horribly insecure narcissistic bully. The only honest emotion he probably feels towards the victims of this is a vague sort of contempt born from the just world hypothesis, that this wouldn’t have happened to them if they didn’t somehow deserve it.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:05:27pm

re: #34 sagehen

Didn’t they used to be more subtle than that?

No need now. Grassley showed that with Merrick Garland.

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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:06:08pm

For any of us that had a horrible day, imma just leave this lil beauty here to enjoy.

Share with a smile
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BeachDem  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:10:35pm

re: #42 Stanley Sea

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JordanRules  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:14:35pm
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Stanley Sea  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:17:55pm

re: #47 BeachDem

JLjlofrjqOa580F7dhtA8dz5v583pbkm8faeUkCi4NBKEmlrssZeplPsGWk0JuVnOQF5htVZvj/+L1LK2FcaNKiDI9awEgRPCQGkHU/XPhn6EFVnwkyfviRnzpwZKVgBiX+d+RzVPnyNawcO2STxcA==

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teleskiguy  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:18:37pm
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Kragar  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:23:11pm
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William Lewis  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:24:03pm

re: #46 Unshaken Defiance

For any of us that had a horrible day, imma just leave this lil beauty here to enjoy.

[Embedded content]

That is quite nicely done.

But life is looking up. Two more nights after this one and then onto the new job next week. Plus, some nice discussion with a younger lady that seems to have potential for an actual relationship. One can hope anyway, and so I do. Sisyphus perhaps, but one must image him happy according to Mr Camus.

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JordanRules  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:30:30pm
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teleskiguy  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:35:52pm
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Kragar  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:38:14pm

Got bored, threw some bits together, and made a new Night Lords Chaos Lord

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danarchy  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:49:06pm

re: #55 Kragar

Got bored, threw some bits together, and made a new Night Lords Chaos Lord

[Embedded content]

He appears to have a large plastic pole up his butt…not that I am judging

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Kragar  Aug 30, 2017 • 10:50:57pm

re: #56 danarchy

He appears to have a large plastic pole up his butt…not that I am judging

Its actually attached to a joint on his backpack

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alloutofcrazyhere  Aug 30, 2017 • 11:12:37pm

re: #57 Kragar

Can’t say that I have the skill or patience to paint my own figures, so I just buy them from time to time.

I mostly stick with the few anime series that I really like as the damn things are too expensive to buy willy nilly.

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Kragar  Aug 30, 2017 • 11:17:31pm

re: #58 alloutofcrazyhere

It took me a while to get these guys together

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alloutofcrazyhere  Aug 30, 2017 • 11:21:15pm

re: #59 Kragar

There’s a new Warhammer game coming. I linked it earlier today.

Impressive collection.

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Kragar  Aug 30, 2017 • 11:26:55pm

re: #61 alloutofcrazyhere

The Necromunda reboot? I was waiting to see what some of the gangers look like. I wanted to get some standins for Night Lords cultists. The standard cultists are too chaosy, I as looking for more penal legion looking troops

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alloutofcrazyhere  Aug 30, 2017 • 11:27:17pm

Link

Direct link to Steam.

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Kragar  Aug 30, 2017 • 11:32:58pm

re: #63 alloutofcrazyhere

I was thinking this:

Necromunda: Underhive Official Trailer

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alloutofcrazyhere  Aug 30, 2017 • 11:33:56pm

re: #62 Kragar

I’ll admit that I don’t know a whole lot about the universe, although it’s on my to do list.

Only so much time in the day.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 30, 2017 • 11:36:27pm

re: #13 Belafon

I am against Antifa for two reasons:
1. Too many of them seem to be looking for violence.
2. They wear masks. And they do it in hopes of being able to get away with stuff without being caught.

There’s a difference between being ready to defend yourself and looking for violence. And there is no reason to wear a mask. If you can’t do it without the mask, don’t do it.

The polemic device on the right is to equate antifa with anyone who is anti-fascist.

Any normal, patriotic American sees fascism and white supremacism as anathema to American values

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alloutofcrazyhere  Aug 30, 2017 • 11:40:03pm

Lately, when it comes to games, I have been sticking with things that I don’t have to commit to for long stretches at a time. I still want to replay games like Baldur’s Gate, Icewind Dale, etc. but time doesn’t permit. Starting up something completely new would be a time investment that’s for sure.

Hence, I have gone back to the days of my youth, and have taken up fighting games like Street Fighter V. I can play a few matches and then go do something else.

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Kragar  Aug 30, 2017 • 11:41:02pm

re: #65 alloutofcrazyhere

I’ll admit that I don’t know a whole lot about the universe, although it’s on my to do list.

Only so much time in the day.

So a hiveworld is pretty much your futuristic megacity. Bladerunner Los Angeles, Corruscant, Megacity 1, Fifth Element New York. The underhives are the slums and sewers of those cities.

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teleskiguy  Aug 30, 2017 • 11:42:07pm

In case you didn’t know, Charles plays all the guitar tracks on this tune.

Life Is Just a Game

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alloutofcrazyhere  Aug 30, 2017 • 11:47:30pm

re: #68 Kragar

Interesting. Those types of movies are on my favorites list due to those reasons. The large cities depicted in those films are both awe-inspiring and depressing at the same time. I guess it all depends on where you fall on the food chain.

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Kragar  Aug 30, 2017 • 11:50:31pm

re: #70 alloutofcrazyhere

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alloutofcrazyhere  Aug 31, 2017 • 12:01:50am

re: #71 Kragar

Nice city.

Link

Having trouble with the embed, so here’s a link. Always loved Tokyo from Evangelion.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 31, 2017 • 12:25:00am
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Kragar  Aug 31, 2017 • 12:27:47am

re: #72 alloutofcrazyhere

More a MegaCity One kind of guy myself.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 31, 2017 • 12:45:22am

Two hours ago my weather station read 82 degrees F. Now it reads 88. Looks like I won’t be turning off the AC tonight. WTF!

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 31, 2017 • 12:46:19am

The National Hurricane Center has downgraded Harvey to a tropical depression, though it still meets the definition of a tropical storm. They have passed responsibility for tracking to the Weather Prediction Center (which tracks severe weather).

wpc.ncep.noaa.gov

WPC still has Harvey as a tropical storm for the next day, followed in the next two days as a tropical depression.

On day three WPC has the storm in Central Tennessee, dropping as much as eight inches of rain. For tomorrow:

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Timothy Watson  Aug 31, 2017 • 1:35:31am
Ed Gillespie hired a blunt-spoken veteran of Donald Trump’s campaign and sharpened his rhetoric on Confederate monuments in recent days, as the establishment Republican running for Virginia governor seeks to win over Trump voters.

Gillespie (R) has hired Jack Morgan, Trump’s Southwest Virginia field director, to play a similar role for his campaign.

An evangelical preacher, motivational speaker and self-defense entrepreneur in Southwest Virginia, Morgan worked for Gillespie’s opponent, Corey A. Stewart, in the GOP gubernatorial primary. He has warned that the country is on the brink of civil war and that communists are behind the effort to take down Confederate statues.

And when he was stumping for Stewart during the primary, Morgan blasted Gillespie as a Washington lobbyist in speeches.

“I’m telling you folks, it would be a shame — that I put [in] all the time I did, and all of you folks put in all the time you did, and we all across America worked as hard as we could to send Donald Trump to Washington, D.C., to drain the swamp, and send a lobbyist to Richmond,” Morgan told the Southwest Virginia Republican Women’s Club in April. “That would be a disaster.”

washingtonpost.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 31, 2017 • 1:38:00am

re: #77 Timothy Watson

washingtonpost.com

Russians: good

Communists: bad

Democrat KKK: bad

Civil War monuments: good

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freetoken  Aug 31, 2017 • 1:52:47am

Last week the Boston Globe picked up on a paper by a couple of academics, looking at the effect of creationism as a change in curricula:

Uncommon Knowledge: Creationism and bull markets

Researchers at MIT have found evidence confirming what many educators and science advocates have feared. After Louisiana passed a law allowing public-school teachers to contradict the scientific curriculum, scores on the science part of the ACT (an alternative to the SAT) declined relative to scores in neighboring Texas. There was no similar decline in math scores. At the same time, creationism-related search terms on Google became more common, relative to evolution-related terms, in Louisiana than in Texas. Notably, the decline in science test scores was concentrated in areas with a less-educated population but better Internet service — a further indication that the Internet enabled, rather than inhibited, ideological segregation.

The paper itself is archived at the SSRN:

Information Shocks and Internet Silos: Evidence from Creationist Friendly Curriculum

Abstract
How the Internet affects the ability of its users to seek out information which either supports or contradicts their existing beliefs remains an open question. On the one hand, the Internet should be able to supply information which might correct falsifiable beliefs. On the other hand, as users control the manner of their search, they may find sources which support their beliefs, even if those beliefs go against the mainstream consensus. To examine this, we analyze the effect of the Louisiana Science Education Act (2008), which allowed the teaching of creationism as an alternative ‘theory’ to evolution in Louisiana schools, on students’ science test scores in nationally administered tests. Using detailed data on Louisiana schools, we employ a difference-in-differences strategy to document that science test scores declined after the law relative to schools in neighboring Texas. After the change in policy, Louisiana students were more likely to seek out information on the Internet using search terms which led them to web pages that reinforced a creationist message. The effect of the law was primarily driven by regions with high Internet penetration and low parental education levels.

PDF here:
poseidon01.ssrn.com

I’m not sure that the data supports a really strong conclusion. Like so much of social science, the actual data is pretty sparse and small and while one can reasonably make an assertion based on such data, we must realize that these results are tentative.

Bottom line: they found a slight decrease in how Louisiana students test in science, and the internet-enabled community in Louisiana shifted their interests towards looking for creationism topics after the Louisiana curriculum debacle.

Now, how this will play out in the long term is open for research. I am not convinced small battles over curricula make that big of a difference, compared to the dedication in time in a person’s life in regards to the primers for these beliefs.

By primers I mean things like church attendance. The average Louisianan will spend much more of their life in a church pew than in science class, and the former will dominate their thinking as a result.

Curricula wars tend to be at the periphery of major social changes. The content of television shows are consumed dramatically more than textbook contents. This is why the social war has for so long been pitted against Hollywood and NYC, from which originate so much of television and large screen productions.

The battlefield is really over funding of schools - i.e., taking public money to fund privately owned/operated schools.

Trump is a symptom, I’ve emphasized before. He didn’t create the know-nothings. Like so much of his life, he’s simply skimming the cream off the top, in this case the cream is money and fame.

We lack political leaders who will tackle this social change head on. We need leaders who are willing to call out the merchandisers of ignorance as such.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 31, 2017 • 2:02:01am

Back in 2007, Arapaio Said It Was an Honor to Be Compared to the Klan (Crooks and Liars, with video of Joe Arapaio’s statement)

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 31, 2017 • 2:06:33am
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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 31, 2017 • 2:14:35am

David French, writing for the National Review, claims the Mayor of Nashville speaking out against the so-called “Nashville Statement” is inappropriate interference of the state in church affairs.

He also asserts (without evidence) that progressives are not inclusive of Christianity, which would likely be a surprise to many progressives who are Christians.

Of course, the real issue Mr. French is pushing is “if you aren’t following my version of Christianity, you’re not a Christian” problem that has dogged Christianity since its founding.

Don’t ever forget that, for some folks, “separation of church and state” is a half-measure. It’s just a pit stop on the road to de-Christianizing America. It’s a temporary means to a much bigger end.

nationalreview.com

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freetoken  Aug 31, 2017 • 2:15:45am

Recent presentation by well known atheist Aron Ra, who is running for his state legislature:

Political Infidel

Now I think Ra may be a bit too acerbic for the American polity as it exists in 2017, certainly in Texas. But at least he will bring to light the problems in his district.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 31, 2017 • 2:19:47am

re: #83 freetoken

Aron Ra has frequently testified before the Texas State School Board when they try to insert wingnuttery or religion into the school curriculum. His last testimony was about Texas trying to magic balance-fairy the slave trade by calling it the Atlantic Triangle Trade.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 31, 2017 • 2:20:37am

re: #82 Anymouse 🌹

David French, writing for the National Review, claims the Mayor of Nashville speaking out against the so-called “Nashville Statement” is inappropriate interference of the state in church affairs.

He also asserts (without evidence) that progressives are not inclusive of Christianity, which would likely be a surprise to many progressives who are Christians.

Of course, the real issue Mr. French is pushing is “if you aren’t following my version of Christianity, you’re not a Christian” problem that has dogged Christianity since its founding.

nationalreview.com

Further evidence that even when Bill Kristol is right, he’s wrong.

(Kristol proposed French as a conservative presidential candidate as an alternative to Trump.)

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 31, 2017 • 2:26:53am

re: #85 Timothy Watson

Further evidence that even when Bill Kristol is right, he’s wrong.

(Kristol proposed French as a conservative presidential candidate as an alternative to Trump.)

French’s argument here seems to be a local politician is not allowed to express an opinion about her city or those purporting to represent it with a statement she views as reprehensible.

His argument is a religious group’s free speech trumps her free speech.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 31, 2017 • 2:54:56am

re: #82 Anymouse 🌹

Don’t ever forget that, for some folks, “separation of church and state” is a half-measure. It’s just a pit stop on the road to de-Christianizing America. It’s a temporary means to a much bigger end.

These people insist that America is a Christian nation and that (their interpretation of) Holy Scripture takes precedent over the Constitution

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 31, 2017 • 3:06:47am

re: #87 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

These people insist that America is a Christian nation and that (their interpretation of) Holy Scripture takes precedent over the Constitution

Despite the fact God, Jesus, or the Bible are mentioned nowhere in the US Constitution, and the only references to religion are “there shall be no religious test for public office” and the I Amendment protection for freedom of religion.

What they don’t get is separation of church and state protects the churches from the depredations of state power against churches (even as an atheist I know this).

The Soviet Union’s constitution had a similar protection for churches. Somehow, churches aren’t really free if there are soldiers and political minders in them as the USSR had.

In the instant a church usurps the power of the state, it becomes the state, and in that instant, loses any claim to holiness.

Fun fact to win bets with Evangelicals: The Southern Baptist Convention’s platform originally supported Roe v Wade after it was adopted.
billmoyers.com

More fun facts: The SBC repudiated that position thirty years later, calling it “unbiblical.” So was the SBC unbiblical then, or are they unbiblical now? My understanding of Evangelical interpretation of God in the Bible is that God is unchanging and eternal.

So in the short space of thirty years, their church flipped on this position, both sides of which they held as biblical.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 31, 2017 • 3:07:40am

Ten people injured in the chemical plant explosion in Texas:

huffingtonpost.com (warning, autoplay video)

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freetoken  Aug 31, 2017 • 3:30:59am

This time of year brings to the northern hemisphere not just Atlantic hurricanes, but east and west Pacific storms, and Indian monsoon (and occasionally typhoons.)

Looking at the global water vapor images during the Harvey event it was clear that the monsoon rains were very heavy in India.

Sure enough, devastation has followed:

12 killed as five-storey Mumbai building collapses after monsoon rain

A five-storey building has collapsed in Mumbai, killing 12 people and injuring 14 others after torrential rain lashed western India.

Another 25 people are feared trapped in the debris in a congested area of Bhendi Bazaar in the south of India’s financial capital

[…]

Thousands of Mumbai buildings that are more than 100 years old are at risk of collapse, their foundations weakened partly by some of the heaviest rainfall that the city has witnessed in more than 15 years.

[…]

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 31, 2017 • 3:42:40am

re: #90 freetoken

Subsidence.

In 2002, there was a 500-year flood that hit Prague. In the Karlín District (Praha 8), a number of buildings collapsed when the Vltava River came in under the street, causing subsidence. The first warning signs were basements in these buildings starting to flood.

I can’t recall the precise mechanics of how that happened, to be honest - IIRC, the river came in through breaches in the subway system’s tunnels. I recall the main Metro stop in Karlín…..it looked like a bomb had scored a direct hit. The aboveground part of the station (the street-level entrance) was simply gone; there was almost no trace of it left. The only things remaining were the escalators and the elevator shaft.

The depth between the street entrance and subway platform was (again, IIRC) about 18 meters.

It was one hell of a mess.

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steve_davis  Aug 31, 2017 • 4:02:49am

re: #54 teleskiguy

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This is the skull of the dinosaur as a child…..

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 31, 2017 • 4:16:55am

re: #25 JordanRules

Who the hell are the 10% of Clinton voters who believe that the media is a greater threat than White Supremacists?

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freetoken  Aug 31, 2017 • 4:22:57am

Meanwhile, south of me, Lidia, which was expected to be a weak storm, is kicking up a lot of storms:

ssd.noaa.gov

It will soon interact with Baja, though, and weaken. It will eventually die off the coast of San Diego, as these things happen to do.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 31, 2017 • 4:24:47am

re: #83 freetoken

Good luck to him. Democrats need to do a better job of running candidates in every race. We must always give folks a choice and not let Republicans run unopposed even in deeply red states.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 31, 2017 • 4:55:56am
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HappyWarrior  Aug 31, 2017 • 4:56:45am

re: #25 JordanRules

Yikes!

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I love it when FNC conveniently forgets they’re part of the media too. Fucking hacks.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 31, 2017 • 4:58:13am
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HappyWarrior  Aug 31, 2017 • 4:59:00am

re: #82 Anymouse 🌹

David French, writing for the National Review, claims the Mayor of Nashville speaking out against the so-called “Nashville Statement” is inappropriate interference of the state in church affairs.

He also asserts (without evidence) that progressives are not inclusive of Christianity, which would likely be a surprise to many progressives who are Christians.

Of course, the real issue Mr. French is pushing is “if you aren’t following my version of Christianity, you’re not a Christian” problem that has dogged Christianity since its founding.

nationalreview.com

French like everyone else at NR is a dishonest hack.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 31, 2017 • 4:59:41am

Got up at 430 this morning, checked the thermometer and it’s 75 here in Los Angeles. Looks like the heat wave is going to peak tomorrow…

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HappyWarrior  Aug 31, 2017 • 5:00:03am

re: #98 The Vicious Babushka

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But the president charging 40 bucks for a baseball hat is fine? Seriously they won’t get over HRC even though she’s done with elected politics.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 31, 2017 • 5:01:53am
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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 31, 2017 • 5:13:26am

re: #101 HappyWarrior

But the president charging 40 bucks for a baseball hat is fine? Seriously they won’t get over HRC even though she’s done with elected politics.

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jeffreyw  Aug 31, 2017 • 5:24:32am

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Good morning!

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Dave In Austin  Aug 31, 2017 • 5:41:59am

re: #98 The Vicious Babushka

Oh the irony…..

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Decatur Deb  Aug 31, 2017 • 5:43:16am

re: #83 freetoken

Recent presentation by well known atheist Aron Ra, who is running for his state legislature:

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Now I think Ra may be a bit too acerbic for the American polity as it exists in 2017, certainly in Texas. But at least he will bring to light the problems in his district.

Most of what he preaches is probably correct. OTOH, supporting suicidal vanity candidates here in the Cradle of the Confederacy is getting really old. Our last was a female Yankee freethinker transplant. The current one is a gay-married Black lady Spiritual Leader. No one plausible will bother to run.

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dangerman  Aug 31, 2017 • 5:45:22am

re: #20 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Exactly. Antifa isn’t good, they are violent punks, but they are not equivalent to Nazis, which is what Trump continues to imply. When they aren’t being violent, the Antifa go back to being a nuisance at mom’s house. When Nazis aren’t being violent, they are still being Nazis.

Subtle distinctions. Howzzat work?

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 31, 2017 • 5:46:33am

re: #105 Dave In Austin

Oh the irony…..

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I was going to respond to Trey but then I though “just fuck it” & blocked him.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 31, 2017 • 5:47:06am

Did Bleached Asshole get put in timeout? Why?

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Decatur Deb  Aug 31, 2017 • 5:47:09am

re: #107 dangerman

Subtle distinctions. Howzzat work?

Pretty well in landscape painting. Very badly in national politics.

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freetoken  Aug 31, 2017 • 5:48:53am

re: #106 Decatur Deb

At least in Ra’s case, he is recognizable as a Texas activist, given his campaigning in the educational sphere.

I wonder how he’ll do. It will be a very interesting election in 2018. I don’t know how long Trump will last, or what may come of the current regime over the next 13 months, so it is very hard to predict how well the Democrats will do in the hard right districts.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 31, 2017 • 5:49:40am

re: #105 Dave In Austin

Oh the irony…..

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Haha and Trump isn’t? I can tell you this much, Hill would not be bragging to foreign leaders about crowd sizes and her electoral win. Trumpers are some strange people.

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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 31, 2017 • 5:49:46am

This one for Bubblehead

A U.S. Navy Nuclear Submarine Once Submerged In A River To Ride Out A Hurricane

With no diesel fuel onboard and the reactor cold, running only on battery power, the dive alarm was sounded and Narwhal’s crew executed their orders, dropped anchor, flooded the sub’s ballast tanks and submerging to the river bed. Just the submarine’s sail and masts were left sticking up out of the water (pictured at the top of this article). The crew sat in the submarine with everything off but emergency lighting to wait out the storm, watching the hurricane’s 150mph winds rage around them through the narrow field of view of submarine’s periscope.

The captain’s bold plan worked, it took some time the next morning to break the boat free from the silt it lay in, but Narwhal and her crew came out unscathed. The submarine went on to get its refueling and refit and served another decade as part of her 30 year long career.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 31, 2017 • 5:52:31am

re: #103 The Vicious Babushka

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Thanks VB. FNC really is pathetic.

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dangerman  Aug 31, 2017 • 5:53:16am

re: #44 goddamnedfrank

It really speaks volumes that Trump’s team couldn’t find one fucking Hurricane victim supporter that he could at least pretend to have an empathetic moment listening to / hugging / consoling. Dude only has one approach to human interaction, the horribly insecure narcissistic bully. The only honest emotion he probably feels towards the victims of this is a vague sort of contempt born from the just world hypothesis, that this wouldn’t have happened to them if they didn’t somehow deserve it.

Not they couldn’t

They didn’t think to

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Decatur Deb  Aug 31, 2017 • 5:53:41am

re: #111 freetoken

At least in Ra’s case, he is recognizable as a Texas activist, given his campaigning in the educational sphere.

I wonder how he’ll do. It will be a very interesting election in 2018. I don’t know how long Trump will last, or what may come of the current regime over the next 13 months, so it is very hard to predict how well the Democrats will do in the hard right districts.

We spend the time and money to show the flag, on the off chance that a black swan will shit on the GOP campaign.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 31, 2017 • 5:56:00am

re: #115 dangerman

30 miles up the coast is Rockport….. Grnd Zero. My playground. Decimated.

He didn’t want to get wet. Fuck him.

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dangerman  Aug 31, 2017 • 5:56:55am

re: #65 alloutofcrazyhere

I’ll admit that I don’t know a whole lot about the universe, although it’s on my to do list.

Only so much time in the day.

that’s relative

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 31, 2017 • 5:57:00am

re: #112 HappyWarrior

Haha and Trump isn’t? I can tell you this much, Hill would not be bragging to foreign leaders about crowd sizes and her electoral win. Trumpers are some strange people.

There is a Talmudic saying כל הפוסל במומו פוסל which means “Someone who is always accusing others of a certain flaw, has that flaw himself.”

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dangerman  Aug 31, 2017 • 6:00:14am

re: #69 teleskiguy

In case you didn’t know, Charles plays all the guitar tracks on this tune.

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Ive had that vinyl almost 40 years

Had no idea

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Decatur Deb  Aug 31, 2017 • 6:01:09am

re: #119 The Vicious Babushka

There is a Talmudic saying כל הפוסל במומו פוסל which means “Someone who is always accusing others of a certain flaw, has that flaw himself.”

“Doth protest too much.” Time to start a rumor that Shakespeare was ghostwritten by a yeshiva student.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 31, 2017 • 6:02:21am

We’re getting little backwash storms from Harvey as it heads north.

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Bubblehead II  Aug 31, 2017 • 6:08:27am

re: #113 Unshaken Defiance

This one for Bubblehead

A U.S. Navy Nuclear Submarine Once Submerged In A River To Ride Out A Hurricane

You gotta do what you gotta do. Not to mention that letting her run aground wasn’t an option.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 31, 2017 • 6:08:32am

re: #119 The Vicious Babushka

There is a Talmudic saying כל הפוסל במומו פוסל which means “Someone who is always accusing others of a certain flaw, has that flaw himself.”

I like that a lot.

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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 31, 2017 • 6:14:26am

re: #123 Bubblehead II

Reactor down and no diesel for generators. That’s way out on a limb. i can’t but try to imagine the howl of the wind inside the sail in the sub during the storm. Unforgettable if you were there.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 31, 2017 • 6:16:15am

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 31, 2017 • 6:24:26am
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Eventual Carrion  Aug 31, 2017 • 6:26:00am

re: #127 GlutenFreeJesus

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Dave In Austin  Aug 31, 2017 • 6:29:27am

Is the VP in the military chain of command?

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nines09  Aug 31, 2017 • 6:32:20am

But after the human scabs try to cut funding from disaster relief, they will then turn and demand that any relief money to Harvey victims be taken from other social programs.
Then when the Democrats vote it down, they will point and say the Democrats are targeting a GOP state(s) because….

Thursday. Fuck the GOP.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 31, 2017 • 6:33:23am

re: #98 The Vicious Babushka

Why does Fox News hate people who are successful?

/

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makeitstop  Aug 31, 2017 • 6:35:36am

So…I was out last night and missed this. What’s the deal with that Reichbart story about Trump being under ‘house arrest?’

Wilson sure loves making fun of Cernovich.

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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 31, 2017 • 6:37:55am

re: #129 Dave In Austin

Is the VP in the military chain of command?

First the serious answer-I don’t think so unless POTUS is out somehow. But only a heartbeat away so probably read in on most everything.

The snark that came to mind-
Alexander Haig was unavailable for comment.

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Belafon  Aug 31, 2017 • 6:38:45am
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Belafon  Aug 31, 2017 • 6:39:21am

re: #129 Dave In Austin

Is the VP in the military chain of command?

No. The only way would be if he assumes the role of President.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 31, 2017 • 6:40:15am

re: #132 makeitstop

So…I was out last night and missed this. What’s the deal with that Reichbart story about Trump being under ‘house arrest?’

Wilson sure loves making fun of Cernovich.

shooting fish in a barrel…

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Bubblehead II  Aug 31, 2017 • 6:43:41am

re: #125 Unshaken Defiance

Reactor down and no diesel for generators. That’s way out on a limb. i can’t but try to imagine the howl of the wind inside the sail in the sub during the storm. Unforgettable if you were there.

Oh, I’m sure she got knocked around a bit (round hull and all). But again letting her run aground wasn’t an option. That said, getting her back to the surface probably took a combination of high pressure blow(s) and rocking by tug boats to break her free of the silt.

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makeitstop  Aug 31, 2017 • 6:45:42am

re: #136 Sir John Barron

shooting fish in a barrel…

Well, yeah. Cernovich is a huge, slow-moving target.

I just don’t get the angle of the story. Why would Breitbart claim there was a ‘coup’ underway? Just to keep the crazies all worked up?

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Decatur Deb  Aug 31, 2017 • 6:45:54am

re: #129 Dave In Austin

Is the VP in the military chain of command?

Very good discussion:

theatlantic.com

Note there is a long-held opinion of regarding the VP as constitutionally a member of the legislative, not executive, branch.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 31, 2017 • 6:46:59am

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Bubblehead II  Aug 31, 2017 • 6:48:28am

re: #129 Dave In Austin

Is the VP in the military chain of command?

Nope.

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Belafon  Aug 31, 2017 • 6:49:22am

re: #139 Decatur Deb

Very good discussion:

theatlantic.com

Note there is a strong tradition of regarding the VP as constitutionally a member of the legislative, not executive, branch.

No VP was ever in any chain of command I had to memorize in the Navy.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 31, 2017 • 6:50:05am

re: #142 Belafon

No VP was ever in any chain of command I had to memorize in the Navy.

Nope.

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Belafon  Aug 31, 2017 • 6:50:43am

Here’s an interesting thought: Imagine if Kasich had taken Trump up on the offer of being the vice president that does all the work, and then, as Kasich started doing the work, Trump started sabotaging him because he was making Trump look bad.

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lawhawk  Aug 31, 2017 • 6:52:00am

Greets and saluts from the Resistance in the NYC metro area. Things are relatively quiet here in the weather department, and eyes are still on Harvey as it churns through Mississippi, Tennessee, and Louisiana on the slow slog towards the Mid Atlantic region.

Things are anything but quiet with the situation in Houston remaining dire. Pence is making a trip to Texas as part of yet another apology tour to try and do what Trump couldn’t - make any kind of emotional attachment to victims of this massive natural disaster. Of course, that means that local law enforcement has to divert critical resources to protect the VP and his entourage that are better used in disaster response and rescuing people who are still caught in the flood waters.

The death toll continues climbing and now we’ve got reports that vigorous chemical reactions (but don’t call them explosions) have occurred at the Arkema chemical plant that I tweeted extensively about yesterday. It was inevitable that this would occur - it is basic chemistry and that once critical temperatures were reached, they would explode because the generators and backup systems failed due to being flooded out. The flooding may limit the spread of fire, but it could also easily spread the contaminants far and wide. Several people who were in the vicinity monitoring the situation were hospitalized due to fumes, so you know that this isn’t good.

Meanwhile, the Navy is finally gearing up for a major deployment to render assistance. That’s good.

The bad and ugly is that Texan and national GOPers are still intent on devolving disaster response to local authorities who are ill equipped to deal with natural disasters that can render entire areas - entire metropolitan regions - uninhabitable due to flooding, lack of critical resources, etc. The only way to deal with this is from the national level, and GOP suckups at the local level talking about how the Trump admin is doing great is letting people think that this is all going well.

It isn’t.

Trump and GOP are intent on gutting the very programs that are enabling the response in Texas. And for what? Tax cuts for millionaires. That’s their ongoing focus.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 31, 2017 • 6:52:45am

re: #144 Belafon

Here’s an interesting thought: Imagine if Kasich had taken Trump up on the offer of being the vice president that does all the work, and then, as Kasich started doing the work, Trump started sabotaging him because he was making Trump look bad.

The article describes the ‘natural’ historical relationship of POTUS/VP as competitive distrust. Another way Obama and Biden were anomalies.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 31, 2017 • 6:54:14am
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Belafon  Aug 31, 2017 • 6:56:07am

re: #146 Decatur Deb

The article describes the ‘natural’ historical relationship of POTUS/VP as competitive distrust. Another way Obama and Biden were anomalies.

I can see that, but Trump would have actively tried to sabotage Kasich.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 31, 2017 • 6:56:54am

re: #147 The Vicious Babushka

Because of course they did.

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lawhawk  Aug 31, 2017 • 6:57:01am

re: #147 The Vicious Babushka

Snow on the ground in the background should be a hint that it was bullshit.

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ObserverArt  Aug 31, 2017 • 6:59:43am

re: #103 The Vicious Babushka

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I know some Berners that think she will run for President again. It seems to be their big fear.

I hope she does not. I don’t want to see the abuse and nuttiness that would bring.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 31, 2017 • 7:02:22am

re: #148 Belafon

I can see that, but Trump would have actively tried to sabotage Kasich.

With a little encouragement he’ll likely do the same to Pence.

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Sir John Barron  Aug 31, 2017 • 7:04:45am

re: #148 Belafon

I can see that, but Trump would have actively tried to sabotage Kasich.

He’s tried to sabotage Sessions, and he likes Sessions.

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ObserverArt  Aug 31, 2017 • 7:05:31am

re: #120 dangerman

Ive had that vinyl almost 40 years

Had no idea

You didn’t know Icarus Johnson is Charles?

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Belafon  Aug 31, 2017 • 7:06:41am

re: #152 Decatur Deb

With a little encouragement he’ll likely do the same to Pence.

I saw a report the other day that Pence had deleted a tweet showing him sitting at his desk coordinating help for Harvey victims. He probably got told Trump wasn’t happy.

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ObserverArt  Aug 31, 2017 • 7:09:59am

re: #127 GlutenFreeJesus

Trey Hickman @TreyHickman
Replying to @connormw and 4 others
Don’t act like Fox News is picking on poor little Hillary. She gets covered because she’s a shameless egomaniac who redefines “greed.”

Dear Mr. Ultra Conservative Trey Hickman.

Is that why Fox and much of the media covered Big Don Trump all through the election process?

Oh wait, I know…you don’t see Trump as a greedy egomaniac. You are so ultra conservative it has made you blind to reality. There is a lot of that going on.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 31, 2017 • 7:10:40am

re: #155 Belafon

I saw a report the other day that Pence had deleted a tweet showing him sitting at his desk coordinating help for Harvey victims. He probably got told Trump wasn’t happy.

Trump-as-figurehead/Pence-as-Caudillo seemed like the most likely pattern the day after the election. I underestimated Trump’s ego. Under growing disdain for the whole crew of them, that might be restored.

That’s not a good thing.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 31, 2017 • 7:19:41am

Baby Hummers…….

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 31, 2017 • 7:20:52am

College football has started. This will be my first season as a non-fan. It is hard to let go, but I think the evidence is overwhelming now that the risk of permanent and severe damage is just too great.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 31, 2017 • 7:26:19am

Again from Doug in Victoria, TX:

With all the suffering around us I feel bad, but we have power! We tackled a couple of small jobs and one Biggey yesterday and this old boy is tired. It is hard to describe how humbled this has made me. Here is the most important thing I have learned. We helped because we could, but others here are helping in spite of no money, screwed up homes, maybe not going in to work just to help. They are the real heroes. Coming in from a friends yesterday I wa in a caravan of giant electric trucks rolling on 59 and there is nothing else to say about those freakin animals. They have and are doing a monster job. Peoples with little feeding people with nothing. Some business owners stepping up and giving it their all. Maybe faith in folks has been elevated, and for a Arkansas razorback to say he is proud of what he has seen out of Texans tells you all you need to know about how this has affected me. Today after getting some stuff fixed around here I will head to a friends who lost their roof. And everything is wet. The selfish me wants to hook the boat and head to clean water and just go fishing, but there is always time for that, now is for neighbor helping neighbor and the time for that is now. Have a good day I am, clean drawers and a hot shower.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 31, 2017 • 7:27:02am
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makeitstop  Aug 31, 2017 • 7:29:25am

The stories I’m reading this morning about Mueller’s team working with NY AG Schneiderman have got me all giggly.

I’ve been saying for a long time that Schneiderman wold eventually become a big factor in taking down the Trump cabal. Looks like it’s happening.

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ObserverArt  Aug 31, 2017 • 7:34:12am

re: #144 Belafon

Here’s an interesting thought: Imagine if Kasich had taken Trump up on the offer of being the vice president that does all the work, and then, as Kasich started doing the work, Trump started sabotaging him because he was making Trump look bad.

Knowing Kasich he would never have considered it. He has a huge ego…just in a rougher package so he is not the all dolled up image type.

But imagining it wise…I think he would have by now (8 months in) have done something to stab Trump in the back and started Congress in on impeachment proceedings by spilling any dirt he could on Trump.

Kasich is a goody-two-shoes type.

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ObserverArt  Aug 31, 2017 • 7:37:35am

re: #148 Belafon

I can see that, but Trump would have actively tried to sabotage Kasich.

Don’t forget, Kasich was a popular Republican Congressman for a long time and knows the DC political ropes unlike Trump. Add in his experience as a Governor and he would have been able to mash Trump with his established contacts and familiarity with DC process and clanism.

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ObserverArt  Aug 31, 2017 • 7:41:19am

re: #162 makeitstop

The stories I’m reading this morning about Mueller’s team working with NY AG Schneiderman have got me all giggly.

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I’ve been saying for a long time that Schneiderman wold eventually become a big factor in taking down the Trump cabal. Looks like it’s happening.

I thought of you when it was first reported last evening. I could see your grin from Ohio!

Edit: Hey, where did everyone go???

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makeitstop  Aug 31, 2017 • 7:47:01am

Wilson’s got a new column up at the Beast - If You Think Trump’s Summer Was a Bummer, Wait ‘Til Fall Starts

The only thing I can take issue with is the bolded part of this graf:

Second, Donald Trump’s disaster on race isn’t over, no matter how many variations of the staff-driven cleanup speeches and remarks he reads. The cat was out of the bag the moment the “both sides” speech lowered the bar on presidential moral character, and it’s cracked the loyalty of his Cabinet and deeply embarrassed an already shamed and disgusted Republican Congress.

Congress, embarrassed? Shamed? Disgusted?

Assuming facts not in evidence, your honor…

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 31, 2017 • 7:51:33am

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Decatur Deb  Aug 31, 2017 • 7:55:38am

re: #167 The Vicious Babushka

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 31, 2017 • 7:58:47am

Has Joel even been spotted at his “church” after he finally gave in to all that pressure to open it up to flood victims?

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nines09  Aug 31, 2017 • 8:00:39am

re: #169 GlutenFreeJesus

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Decatur Deb  Aug 31, 2017 • 8:00:49am

Those light storms from Harvey’s passing are turning into very heavy rains as the feeder rakes right along us. We’re 80 mi from the Gulf, but the alignment is bad. It’s fast-moving, though, and the terrain is on our side.

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sagehen  Aug 31, 2017 • 8:05:45am

re: #84 Anymouse 🌹

Aron Ra has frequently testified before the Texas State School Board when they try to insert wingnuttery or religion into the school curriculum. His last testimony was about Texas trying to magic balance-fairy the slave trade by calling it the Atlantic Triangle Trade.

The “Triangle Trade” did inspire one of the best songs of the movie 1776…

1776 - Molasses To Rum

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Dave In Austin  Aug 31, 2017 • 8:06:59am

re: #135 Belafon

No. The only way would be if he assumes the role of President.

Ok. Then he is out of line saluting active duty military members while boarding his plane.

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ObserverArt  Aug 31, 2017 • 8:12:43am

re: #173 Dave In Austin

Ok. Then he is out of line saluting active duty military members while boarding his plane.

Just getting in some practice, might need it in a few months.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 31, 2017 • 8:13:25am
A grand jury used by Special Counsel Robert Mueller has heard secret testimony from a Russian-American lobbyist who attended a June 2016 meeting with President Donald Trump’s eldest son, The Associated Press has learned.

A person familiar with the matter confirmed to the AP that Rinat Akhmetshin had appeared before Mueller’s grand jury in recent weeks. The person spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss the secret proceedings.

The revelation is the clearest indication yet that Mueller and his team of investigators view the meeting, which came weeks after Trump had secured the Republican presidential nomination, as a relevant inquiry point in their broader probe into Russian interference in the 2016 election.

richmond.com

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nines09  Aug 31, 2017 • 8:13:41am

re: #170 nines09

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Belafon  Aug 31, 2017 • 8:15:07am

re: #170 nines09

I wouldn’t trust anyone who returns to his “church” after this to watch my dogs. We’ve now seen what kind of “Christian” he is. Anyone who still sides with him is the same kind.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 31, 2017 • 8:15:43am

re: #162 makeitstop

The stories I’m reading this morning about Mueller’s team working with NY AG Schneiderman have got me all giggly.

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I’ve been saying for a long time that Schneiderman wold eventually become a big factor in taking down the Trump cabal. Looks like it’s happening.

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ObserverArt  Aug 31, 2017 • 8:16:58am

re: #177 Belafon

I wouldn’t trust anyone who returns to his “church” after this to watch my dogs. We’ve now seen what kind of “Christian” he is. Anyone who still sides with him is the same kind.

I am kinda wondering if he will take a hit in memberships and collections after this. I’m thinking maybe the people of color might have a little different take on him now.

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nines09  Aug 31, 2017 • 8:20:09am

re: #177 Belafon

His first excuse was they were “flooded”. Then when that was exposed, he said “The city never asked him.”
This coming from a “man” who says “god” talks to him.
Actually that “church was a “tax shelter” for so long it just slipped Joel’s mind that people could be sheltered there.
The apologists are already out on his behalf. He’ll probably need at least 4 weeks in Hawaii after this from the stress. *spit*

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Timothy Watson  Aug 31, 2017 • 8:23:34am

re: #170 nines09

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“No!!! Don’t put your muddy shoes there!1!! I just had that carpet installed!1!!”

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Dave In Austin  Aug 31, 2017 • 8:25:47am

I’m starting to think we may be close. Wishful thinking I’m sure.

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nines09  Aug 31, 2017 • 8:26:53am

re: #181 Timothy Watson

“No!!! Don’t put your muddy shoes there!1!! I just had that carpet installed!1!!”

“SOMEBODY SHUT THEM FUCKING KIDS UP!!!!”

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danarchy  Aug 31, 2017 • 8:29:15am

re: #173 Dave In Austin

Ok. Then he is out of line saluting active duty military members while boarding his plane.

Joe Biden used to do this all the time and it never bothered me then so I am not going to pick on Pence for this. There is plenty of other stuff to pick on him for, like being a regressive theological misogynistic bigot.

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nines09  Aug 31, 2017 • 8:30:43am

Here’s Joel, acting all, like

Pastor Joel Osteen: ‘Our Church Doors Have Always Been Open’ | TODAY

Oh and it’s a “green screen” of food supplies. BTW. Weasel shit.

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dangerman  Aug 31, 2017 • 8:30:52am

re: #154 ObserverArt

You didn’t know Icarus Johnson is Charles?

sorry no.
i learned charles was a player from hanging around here, though i cant say i recall “icarus” mentioned

and i have no idea the last time i actually read/reread an album cover

in any event, my day is brightened, and fuller than it started

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ThomasLite  Aug 31, 2017 • 8:34:34am

re: #184 danarchy

Joe Biden used to do this all the time and it never bothered me then so I am not going to pick on Pence for this. There is plenty of other stuff to pick on him for, like being a regressive theological misogynistic bigot.

Heck, presidents saluting is a pretty recent development itself.
I seem to recall the VP getting saluted even without POTUS present quite a bit as well; that’s not in the regs either from what I can tell, so just going by what the big guy gets to do seems to be as good a guideline as any.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 31, 2017 • 8:34:55am
Dash-cam video shows the Cobb County officer, who has been identified as police Lt. Greg Abbott, standing outside a vehicle during a DUI traffic stop in July 2016.

The woman, who was a passenger in the vehicle, can be heard telling the officer that she did not want to put her hands down to reach for her phone because “I’ve just seen way too many videos of cops —.”

“But you’re not black,” he interrupted. “Remember, we only kill black people. Yeah, we only kill black people, right? All the videos you’ve seen, have you seen black people get killed? You have.”

Cobb County police said that Chief Mike Register received information last week about the “inappropriate racial comments,” and the officer was placed on administrative duties during an internal investigation.

“No matter what the context, statements like these are unacceptable and are not indicative of the type of culture we are trying to facilitate here in the police department, as well as within the county,” the police chief said in a statement Thursday to The Washington Post.

ABC affiliate WSB, which obtained the video, reported that Register said the police department is “meeting this head-on and we’re going to deal with it.”

Abbott’s attorney, Lance LoRusso, said that Abbott, a 27-year veteran on the force, is cooperating with the investigation.

washingtonpost.com

Yep, 27 year veteran and what he said was a complete fucking shock to the department.

And I have some land west of Miami to sell you if you believe that.

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Belafon  Aug 31, 2017 • 8:35:56am

re: #180 nines09

His first excuse was they were “flooded”. Then when that was exposed, he said “The city never asked him.”
This coming from a “man” who says “god” talks to him.
Actually that “church was a “tax shelter” for so long it just slipped Joel’s mind that people could be sheltered there.
The apologists are already out on his behalf. He’ll probably need at least 4 weeks in Hawaii after this from the stress. *spit*

In Hacksaw Ridge, after Japanese forces push the unit off the cliff, Doss is sitting at the edge, telling God that he can’t hear what God wants. Then he hears the injured men crying for help, and he knows what to do.

I’m imagining Olsteen going “OK, well, I didn’t hear You say anything, God, so I’m going down.”

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sagehen  Aug 31, 2017 • 8:36:04am

re: #181 Timothy Watson

“No!!! Don’t put your muddy shoes there!1!! I just had that carpet installed!1!!”

The furniture guy managed to promote his business during his MSNBC interview; the anchor wanted to know what kind of shape the store will be in after this, he says “our furniture is resilient, solid construction, made in America, and of course it’s meant to be sit on and slept on. After the emergency passes, we’ll sell it with the same warrranty we always offer.”

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nines09  Aug 31, 2017 • 8:37:58am

re: #189 Belafon

Joel is among the scum of the earth.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 31, 2017 • 8:39:16am

re: #190 sagehen

The furniture guy managed to promote his business during his MSNBC interview; the anchor wanted to know what kind of shape the store will be in after this, he says “our furniture is resilient, solid construction, made in America, and of course it’s meant to be sit on and slept on. After the emergency passes, we’ll sell it with the same warrranty we always offer.”

From what I understand, that fella is kind of wingnutty, but if I were in Texas and I needed some furniture, say, a bed, yep, I’d buy one off him.

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Ace-o-aces  Aug 31, 2017 • 8:46:13am
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ObserverArt  Aug 31, 2017 • 8:47:31am

re: #186 dangerman

sorry no.
i learned charles was a player from hanging around here, though i cant say i recall “icarus” mentioned

and i have no idea the last time i actually read/reread an album cover

in any event, my day is brightened, and fuller than it started

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Timothy Watson  Aug 31, 2017 • 8:48:08am

re: #193 Ace-o-aces

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Where’s my Castle reaction GIF?

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Jay C  Aug 31, 2017 • 8:48:09am

re: #178 Stanley Sea

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Yep:
Donald “A Tweet for every occasion” Trump strikes (out) again!
So Schneiderman’s a “cokehead”?
Must be good stuff, ‘cuz (in that great aggressive tradition of NYS AG’s) it certainly seems to have fueled him in going after crooks and sleazes of all kinds (especially one Donald J. Trump, didn’t Schneiderman prosecute the “Trump U” scam???).

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Decatur Deb  Aug 31, 2017 • 8:49:43am

re: #173 Dave In Austin

Ok. Then he is out of line saluting active duty military members while boarding his plane.

Nope. Soldiers and civilians can exchange salutes pretty freely. It’s just an honorific.
Best example ever:

Little Belgian boy saluting Canadian Troops

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 31, 2017 • 8:50:43am

Good freakin’ DOG

I have some meathead on twitter pushing the moronic “FEMA/DHS bought BILLIONS of rounds of ammunition” nonsense, and if they need money so bad maybe they should sell some of it.
On top of that, he has what looks like a typical Russian troll account (Name+8 digit number) retweeting his rants

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Ace-o-aces  Aug 31, 2017 • 8:52:13am

re: #195 Timothy Watson

Amazingly, this is not even in the top 10 of stupid things Walsh has tweeted.

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Teukka  Aug 31, 2017 • 8:52:17am

Oklahoma sheriff hung out with Nazi mail bombers - in Sweden

Bart Alsbrook, the Colbert, Oklahoma interim sheriff accused of running Nazi web sites, has a history of association with Nazi bomb makers - in Sweden.
Bart Alsbrook, recently accused by Southern Poverty Law Center of running two web sites connected to the Nazi network Blood and Honour, has offered to resign from his appointment as interim Sheriff in Colbert, Oklahoma.

The Web sites, for companies NS88 Videos and ISD Records, disappeared from the Internet soon after local media called Alsbrook to ask him about the accusations.

Bart Alsbrook, the only person in the US with that name, claims his wallet was stolen by Nazi skinheads in Texas in the early 1990’s, and that they have used his identity ever since.
[ … ]

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Timothy Watson  Aug 31, 2017 • 8:52:44am

re: #183 nines09

“SOMEBODY SHUT THEM FUCKING KIDS UP!!!!”

I’m having a Simpsons deja vu moment but can’t exactly place it.

One of the characters hits it big (maybe Krusty?) and it all falls to shambles during an open-mic moment or meltdown where they yell at a kid?

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Ace-o-aces  Aug 31, 2017 • 8:54:04am

re: #195 Timothy Watson

Where’s my Castle reaction GIF?

Here you go..

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Decatur Deb  Aug 31, 2017 • 8:57:59am

From the world of “How Freaking Cool Is That?”:

Colorful Spacesuit Painted by Children with Cancer Worn by Astronaut in Space

space.com

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Ace-o-aces  Aug 31, 2017 • 8:58:55am
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JordanRules  Aug 31, 2017 • 9:01:36am

re: #203 Decatur Deb

Love!!!

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Stanley Sea  Aug 31, 2017 • 9:03:25am

re: #196 Jay C

Yep:
Donald “A Tweet for every occasion” Trump strikes (out) again!
So Schneiderman’s a “cokehead”?
Must be good stuff, ‘cuz (in that great aggressive tradition of NYS AG’s) it certainly seems to have fueled him in going after crooks and sleazes of all kinds (especially one Donald J. Trump, didn’t Schneiderman prosecute the “Trump U” scam???).

Yep, trumpU.

That tweet was sent in the midst of it.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 31, 2017 • 9:07:06am
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makeitstop  Aug 31, 2017 • 9:08:47am

My band played a show in Norwalk, CT last night, and the end of the show held a particularly nice surprise.

The town had booked us to close their summer concert series, but because of Harvey they added another show with a popular CT band next week with intent of collecting donations fr Houston. Before we did our finale, I announced the extra show and said if anyone couldn’t get to next week’s show, they could bring donations to the stage and we’d add it to the till.

In the space of two songs, we collected over $500 in donations. People are good sometimes.

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makeitstop  Aug 31, 2017 • 9:16:49am

re: #196 Jay C

Yep:
Donald “A Tweet for every occasion” Trump strikes (out) again!
So Schneiderman’s a “cokehead”?
Must be good stuff, ‘cuz (in that great aggressive tradition of NYS AG’s) it certainly seems to have fueled him in going after crooks and sleazes of all kinds (especially one Donald J. Trump, didn’t Schneiderman prosecute the “Trump U” scam???).

Schneiderman got $25 mil out of Trump. Yam tries to paint it that he settled in order to ‘move on,’ but he knew that NY AG had him dead to rights.

And Schneiderman loathes Trump. He’s been on the money laundering trail for at least two years. And he received Preet Bharara’s work product when Preet got the heads up that he was being fired.

Trump, in his ignorance, may not be scared of Mueller. But even as dim as he is, Trump is damn sure scared to death of Eric Schneiderman.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 31, 2017 • 9:23:11am

Just coming over the wires that the US State Department has ordered Russia to close its San Francisco consulate.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 31, 2017 • 9:23:36am

re: #210 Dr Lizardo

Just coming over the wires that the US State Department has ordered Russia to close its San Francisco consulate.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 31, 2017 • 9:24:31am
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Targetpractice  Aug 31, 2017 • 9:25:01am

re: #211 FormerDirtDart

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You can be sure that this order did not come from the Oval Office.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 31, 2017 • 9:25:07am
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JordanRules  Aug 31, 2017 • 9:27:19am

I have a feeling September is going to be even crazier than what we’ve endured so far since January.

Something is in the air…

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Targetpractice  Aug 31, 2017 • 9:29:42am

Trump’s probably got his jaw clenched tight enough to bite through steel plate right now.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 31, 2017 • 9:30:16am

re: #201 Timothy Watson

I’m having a Simpsons deja vu moment but can’t exactly place it.

One of the characters hits it big (maybe Krusty?) and it all falls to shambles during an open-mic moment or meltdown where they yell at a kid?

Gabbo, the ventriloquist dummy. Bart sabotages him by flicking a camera on and catching Gabbo call Springfield kids SOBs.

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JordanRules  Aug 31, 2017 • 9:30:33am
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makeitstop  Aug 31, 2017 • 9:33:08am

re: #213 Targetpractice

You can be sure that this order did not come from the Oval Office.

I’m wondering who issued it.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 31, 2017 • 9:33:48am

re: #215 JordanRules

I have a feeling September is going to be even crazier than what we’ve endured so far since January.

Something is in the air…

That thing might be the new Cat2 hurricane with a bad path.

wunderground.com

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 31, 2017 • 9:35:21am

re: #219 makeitstop

I’m wondering who issued it.

Wouldn’t something like that have to get the nod from the SoS?

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JordanRules  Aug 31, 2017 • 9:37:01am

Hacked damnet, I’ve been hacked!!

Alabama GOP mayor denies calling her black opponent the N-word: ‘I think I’ve been hacked’

rawstory.com

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electrotek  Aug 31, 2017 • 9:37:27am

lol I find it hilarious that wingnuts are crying over the cover of Charlie Hebdo now.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 31, 2017 • 9:39:45am

re: #223 electrotek

lol I find it hilarious that wingnuts are crying over the cover of Charlie Hebdo now.

Charlie Hebdo is pretty well-known for being an equal opportunity offender. Seriously, anything that’s considered a sacred cow, they’ll go after it ruthlessly.

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Targetpractice  Aug 31, 2017 • 9:40:38am

re: #219 makeitstop

I’m wondering who issued it.

My guess is Tillerson either did it personally or did so at the recommendation of an underling. Regardless, whoever did it is now on Donny Two Scoop’s shit list. And that list is growing faster than Nixon’s Enemies List.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 31, 2017 • 9:40:45am

re: #222 JordanRules

Hacked damnet, I’ve been hacked!!

rawstory.com

Midland City is a couple miles from here. that last election was epic bad blood. Our Dem candidates historically have filed complaints with the Fed Justice Dept, when there was a Justice Dept.

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Jay C  Aug 31, 2017 • 9:40:55am

re: #219 makeitstop

re: #213 Targetpractice

You can be sure that this order did not come from the Oval Office.

I’m wondering who issued it.

And why now? Wasn’t the Russian “expulsion” order like 3-4 weeks ago?
(But then, we all seem to operating on Trump Time nowadays: yesterday, last week, last month… all seems to fade into a blur like a swirling tornado of bullshit.)

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 31, 2017 • 9:43:35am

re: #225 Targetpractice

My guess is Tillerson either did it personally or did so at the recommendation of an underling. Regardless, whoever did it is now on Donny Two Scoop’s shit list. And that list is growing faster than Nixon’s Enemies List.

Trump’s Enemies List, conveniently indexed for quick reference!

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JordanRules  Aug 31, 2017 • 9:43:50am

re: #220 Decatur Deb

I see many sides paths.

Oddly enough, I can see how multiple natural disasters could help the GOP push thru some ugly, predatory stuff better than the presidential disaster that they’ve gambled everything on, could.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Aug 31, 2017 • 9:44:05am

re: #119 The Vicious Babushka

There is a Talmudic saying כל הפוסל במומו פוסל which means “Someone who is always accusing others of a certain flaw, has that flaw himself.”

כל הפוסל במומו פוסל = Republican

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wheat-dogg  Aug 31, 2017 • 9:44:05am

Morning, all. I’ve been reading up on Trump being a gold bug. Supposedly, he wants to replace Yellen with a gold standard-friendly Fed chairman, and then peg the dollar to gold.

aka “how to tank the US economy in two easy steps.”

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 31, 2017 • 9:45:34am

re: #231 wheat-dogg

Morning, all. I’ve been reading up on Trump being a gold bug. Supposedly, he wants to replace Yellen with a gold standard-friendly Fed chairman, and then peg the dollar to gold.

aka “how to tank the US economy in two easy steps.”

I’d heard that a quite some time ago - IIRC, he made some oblique passing reference to putting the USD back on a gold standard during the campaign.

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Targetpractice  Aug 31, 2017 • 9:50:00am

re: #231 wheat-dogg

Morning, all. I’ve been reading up on Trump being a gold bug. Supposedly, he wants to replace Yellen with a gold standard-friendly Fed chairman, and then peg the dollar to gold.

aka “how to tank the US economy in two easy steps.”

Gold buggery, aka “Let’s put the economy on a starvation diet.”

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Jay C  Aug 31, 2017 • 9:50:14am

re: #231 wheat-dogg

Morning, all. I’ve been reading up on Trump being a gold bug. Supposedly, he wants to replace Yellen with a gold standard-friendly Fed chairman, and then peg the dollar to gold.

aka “how to tank the US economy in two easy steps.”

YHGTBFKM….

Gold?

Unless they are busy updating their resumés for handy access, is there no one in the Administration with a few minutes to spare to inform the “President” that this might be a bad idea? Or is he planning to fire Steve Mnuchin and appoint Glenn Beck to Treasury?

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wheat-dogg  Aug 31, 2017 • 9:50:57am

re: #232 Dr Lizardo

I’d heard that a quite some time ago - IIRC, he made some oblique passing reference to putting the USD back on a gold standard during the campaign.

One source claims Trump and new Fed chair will set the gold price at $10K somehow.

Needless to say, most business people and economists are not keen on this idea.

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Targetpractice  Aug 31, 2017 • 9:53:45am

re: #235 wheat-dogg

One source claims Trump and new Fed chair will set the gold price at $10K somehow.

Needless to say, most business people and economists are not keen on this idea.

So a gold standard and price controls. It’s like the man is reading the Nixon playbook and saying “This is some good shit!”

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Decatur Deb  Aug 31, 2017 • 9:57:08am

re: #222 JordanRules

Note: That item from Raw Story on the Midland City election is a year old—thought it sounded familiar. They must have reworked it based on a bad search.

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Jay C  Aug 31, 2017 • 9:58:41am

re: #236 Targetpractice

So a gold standard and price controls. It’s like the man is reading the Nixon playbook and saying “This is some good shit!”

Wait a sec: didn’t Nixon take the country off the gold standard in 1971? Since, IIRC, it was messing up the economy with few positives except to enrich speculators*?

And does Congress have any say in this?

* probably Trump’s principal motivation in any case

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wheat-dogg  Aug 31, 2017 • 9:59:36am

re: #236 Targetpractice

So a gold standard and price controls. It’s like the man is reading the Nixon playbook and saying “This is some good shit!”

Well, remember where Trump gets all his info — InfoWars, FN, etc. — all sources that lean heavily against the Fed and toward gold standard. He knows nothing about economics or world trade, so he’s prone to wackadoodle ideas about the dollar.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 31, 2017 • 10:00:53am

re: #234 Jay C

YHGTBFKM….

Gold?

Unless they are busy updating their resumés for handy access, is there no one in the Administration with a few minutes to spare to inform the “President” that this might be a bad idea? Or is he planning to fire Steve Mnuchin and appoint Glenn Beck to Treasury?

You are forgetting, Mnuchin saw Fort Knox & reported back to the yam that there’s lots of gold.

Probably as simple/stupid as that - Trump’s Razor.

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lawhawk  Aug 31, 2017 • 10:01:23am

re: #162 makeitstop

The stories I’m reading this morning about Mueller’s team working with NY AG Schneiderman have got me all giggly.

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I’ve been saying for a long time that Schneiderman wold eventually become a big factor in taking down the Trump cabal. Looks like it’s happening.

NYS financial crimes laws are pretty robust, and Schneiderman has a lot of room to work there - Trump’s got a house of cards when it comes to his own business dealings. Manafort’s got his own mess, and it seems that both Mueller and Schneiderman are focusing on similar transactions/activities.

There are state components and federal components to the issues involved, and even if the GOP manages to shut down Mueller, there’s the NYS stuff which has the same kind of repercussions. Even the GOP has to know that the Trump admin is on thin ice.

In fact, I’ve seen some people even suggest the reason that the GOP has done nothing is because they know what’s coming next.That’s revisionist history considering the GOP was one vote from repealing Obamacare with vaporware.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 31, 2017 • 10:02:44am

re: #240 Stanley Sea

You are forgetting, Mnuchin saw Fort Knox & reported back to the yam that there’s lots of gold.

Probably as simple/stupid as that - Trump’s Razor.

Perhaps he wants to base the economy on his living room decor.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 31, 2017 • 10:02:45am

re: #239 wheat-dogg

Well, remember where Trump gets all his info — InfoWars, FN, etc. — all sources that lean heavily against the Fed and toward gold standard. He knows nothing about economics or world trade, so he’s prone to wackadoodle ideas about the dollar.

Remember he had to ask Flynn whether the United States wanted a strong or weak dollar.

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wheat-dogg  Aug 31, 2017 • 10:03:20am

re: #240 Stanley Sea

You are forgetting, Mnuchin saw Fort Knox & reported back to the yam that there’s lots of gold.

Probably as simple/stupid as that - Trump’s Razor.

Trump has the understanding and impulsiveness of a teenager off his Adderol. If Yellen is out as Fed chair in January, there’s no telling what Trump might do.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 31, 2017 • 10:03:44am
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wheat-dogg  Aug 31, 2017 • 10:04:14am

re: #242 Decatur Deb

Perhaps he wants to base the economy on his living room decor.

He could sell his furnishings and make a profit from the reclaimed gold

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Targetpractice  Aug 31, 2017 • 10:07:46am

re: #238 Jay C

Wait a sec: didn’t Nixon take the country off the gold standard in 1971? Since, IIRC, it was messing up the economy with few positives except to enrich speculators*?

And does Congress have any say in this?

* probably Trump’s principal motivation in any case

Officially all Nixon did in ‘71 was temporarily halt international convertibility of US dollars into gold, with the intent to reform the Bretton Woods system. You could still do it domestically, which is why they then tried to devalue the dollar relative to gold. Neither plan worked, so that by ‘76 they just dropped it altogether and turned the dollar into fiat currency.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 31, 2017 • 10:08:15am

re: #244 wheat-dogg

Trump has the understanding and impulsiveness of a teenager off his Adderol. If Yellen is out as Fed chair in January, there’s no telling what Trump might do.

No, but we can be sure it will be news-worthy.

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electrotek  Aug 31, 2017 • 10:10:05am
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Targetpractice  Aug 31, 2017 • 10:10:08am

re: #245 FormerDirtDart

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“We’re not trying to hide anything, we’re just keeping everything hidden from you. That’s totally different!”

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wheat-dogg  Aug 31, 2017 • 10:11:20am

re: #248 Decatur Deb

No, but we can be sure it will be news-worthy.

His tweets will be covered. Whether they translate into real policy is doubtful.

I hold out hope that Trump will be out of office by January. Reinstating the gold standard would doom the US economy and totally fuck up world markets.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Aug 31, 2017 • 10:11:38am

re: #246 wheat-dogg

He could sell his furnishings and make a profit from the reclaimed gold

I assume you mean only sell the reclaimed gold off the furniture; no one is gonna buy that schlock.

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electrotek  Aug 31, 2017 • 10:12:36am
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FormerDirtDart  Aug 31, 2017 • 10:12:43am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 31, 2017 • 10:13:25am

re: #251 wheat-dogg

His tweets will be covered. Whether they translate into real policy is doubtful.

I hold out hope that Trump will be out of office by January. Reinstating the gold standard would doom the US economy and totally fuck up world markets.

You’re a little bit optimistic on that one, I believe.

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JordanRules  Aug 31, 2017 • 10:15:03am

re: #237 Decatur Deb

Yeah the tweet that lead me there had some comments referring to it being in 2016. I should’ve mentioned that when I posted it because I generally think that’s good form.

I like to push out snapshots of racists with power because I hope it reminds folks that as we discuss and debate things, the stakes might be and feel different for certain folks, including me.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 31, 2017 • 10:15:33am

re: #251 wheat-dogg

His tweets will be covered. Whether they translate into real policy is doubtful.

I hold out hope that Trump will be out of office by January. Reinstating the gold standard would doom the US economy and totally fuck up world markets.

Except that Trump is more likely to blow up the world, I think Pence would do more lasting harm.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 31, 2017 • 10:16:18am

re: #256 JordanRules

Yeah the tweet that lead me there had some comments referring to it being in 2016. I should’ve mentioned that when I posted it because I generally think that’s good form.

I like to push out snapshots of racists with power because I hope it reminds folks that as we discuss and debate things, the stakes might be and feel different for certain folks, including me.

No biggie. I doubt the ex-mayor’s attitude has improved since then.

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wheat-dogg  Aug 31, 2017 • 10:16:53am

re: #255 Eclectic Cyborg

You’re a little bit optimistic on that one, I believe.

I tend to be an optimist, yes, but the team-up of Schneiderman and Mueller is encouraging.

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makeitstop  Aug 31, 2017 • 10:16:59am

re: #231 wheat-dogg

Morning, all. I’ve been reading up on Trump being a gold bug. Supposedly, he wants to replace Yellen with a gold standard-friendly Fed chairman, and then peg the dollar to gold.

aka “how to tank the US economy in two easy steps.”

That’s insane. There is not enough gold in the world, since they began mining gold, to cover the US’ nut.

We’d have to kill about 2/3 of ur current economy to get back on the gold standard, IIRC.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 31, 2017 • 10:18:03am

re: #260 makeitstop

That’s insane. There is not enough gold in the world, since they began mining gold, to cover the US’ nut.

We’d have to kill about 2/3 of ur current economy to get back on the gold standard, IIRC.

[trump]SOUNDS LIKE A BIGLY PLAN!1!![/trump]

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wheat-dogg  Aug 31, 2017 • 10:18:25am

re: #257 Decatur Deb

Except that Trump is more likely to blow up the world, I think Pence would do more lasting harm.

Pence is a stupid Bible thumper, who could screw things up in totally different ways than Trump. OTOH Pence has no popular following, and has the personality of a turnip, so he might not be able to gather support for his crazy ideas.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 31, 2017 • 10:19:02am

re: #262 wheat-dogg

Pence is a stupid Bible thumper, who could screw things up in totally different ways than Trump. OTOH Pence has no popular following, and has the personality of a turnip, so he might not be able to gather support for his crazy ideas.

Pence (R).

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Targetpractice  Aug 31, 2017 • 10:23:09am

re: #260 makeitstop

That’s insane. There is not enough gold in the world, since they began mining gold, to cover the US’ nut.

We’d have to kill about 2/3 of ur current economy to get back on the gold standard, IIRC.

It would be worse than that. Most of the world uses the USD as a reserve currency, set the economies by how much the USD will buy on a given day, and rely upon USDs to keep their economies afloat. Reenact the gold standard and that all goes away, including our massive advantage of being able to borrow at ridiculously low cost.

Basically, the US would surrender being world leader overnight.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 31, 2017 • 10:23:16am

Another day of fascism in America:

A report of an armed person put an early halt to Wednesday’s March to Confront White Supremacy before it reached its end location, according to event organizers.

“The decision to stop the march early was in the interest of protecting the marchers, all of whom are marching to demand the removal of white supremacists from the administration, and policies that uplift white supremacy,” according to an event Facebook post Thursday morning.

The post said the threat indicated the person with the gun was going to be waiting for them at a McDonald’s along U.S. 29 in Madison County.

richmond.com

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gocart mozart  Aug 31, 2017 • 10:24:00am

A conversation with a Nazi douchehat, a case study

I’m bored so I will just ignore

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makeitstop  Aug 31, 2017 • 10:24:23am

re: #262 wheat-dogg

Pence is a stupid Bible thumper, who could screw things up in totally different ways than Trump. OTOH Pence has no popular following, and has the personality of a turnip, so he might not be able to gather support for his crazy ideas.

Not to mention that if the Trump administration is blown apart by Yam being forced from office along with the collateral indictments and prison sentences. the Pence administration would be hobbled from Day One.

It would be the lamest of all lame duck administrations.

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nines09  Aug 31, 2017 • 10:25:01am

re: #208 makeitstop

You play or FOH?

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Targetpractice  Aug 31, 2017 • 10:25:56am

re: #266 gocart mozart

A conversation with a Nazi douchehat, a case study

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I’m bored so I will just ignore

What “points” has he made besides crazed raving? Only point I see is the one atop his head.

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electrotek  Aug 31, 2017 • 10:25:58am

re: #224 Dr Lizardo

Charlie Hebdo is pretty well-known for being an equal opportunity offender. Seriously, anything that’s considered a sacred cow, they’ll go after it ruthlessly.

True to an extent. But you wouldn’t see them depict a woman urinating on the French flag or mock their military forces in recent adventures. They have their own limits to adhere towards.

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makeitstop  Aug 31, 2017 • 10:26:15am

re: #268 nines09

You play or FOH?

I played.

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nines09  Aug 31, 2017 • 10:26:55am

re: #271 makeitstop

Past tense? Or you did last night?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 31, 2017 • 10:27:11am

re: #262 wheat-dogg

Pence is a stupid highly intelligent Bible thumper, who could screw things up in totally different ways than Trump. OTOH Pence has no popular following, and has the personality of a turnip, so he might not be able to gather support for his crazy ideas which is exactly the sort of person the GOP would love to work with right now.

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ObserverArt  Aug 31, 2017 • 10:27:24am

re: #219 makeitstop

I’m wondering who issued it.

Rex Tillerson most likely with some back stiffening from the three generals on the staff.

His comment that Trump doesn’t speak for me was the first hint.

Now if Mitch and Paulie decide to get tough on Trump September is going to be epic as far as sparks flying in the White House.

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Belafon  Aug 31, 2017 • 10:28:03am

re: #265 Timothy Watson

Obviously I’m not marching with them, but instead of canceling, they should have invited some police to march with them. The crowd let one person with a gun win.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 31, 2017 • 10:28:04am

Fucking religious shit going on right now by these politicians on CNN

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wheat-dogg  Aug 31, 2017 • 10:28:39am

re: #264 Targetpractice

It would be worse than that. Most of the world uses the USD as a reserve currency, set the economies by how much the USD will buy on a given day, and rely upon USDs to keep their economies afloat. Reenact the gold standard and that all goes away, including our massive advantage of being able to borrow at ridiculously low cost.

Basically, the US would surrender being world leader overnight.

Plus, it would benefit China bigly. There have been several reports that China has been stockpiling gold and boosting its own mining activities in recent years.

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wheat-dogg  Aug 31, 2017 • 10:30:26am

re: #273 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Where do you get “highly intelligent” from? Or are you being sarcastic?

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Timothy Watson  Aug 31, 2017 • 10:30:31am

re: #275 Belafon

Obviously I’m not marching with them, but instead of canceling, they should have invited some police to march with them. The crowd let one person with a gun win.

They had a state police escort due to traffic concerns, but they probably figured the state police would sit on their hands like they did in Charlottesville if someone had a gun.

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JordanRules  Aug 31, 2017 • 10:31:23am

re: #273 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Folks in Indiana contend he’s not smart at all. I also haven’t seen any indication that he’s not pretty stupid.

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Jay C  Aug 31, 2017 • 10:31:48am

re: #247 Targetpractice

Officially all Nixon did in ‘71 was temporarily halt international convertibility of US dollars into gold, with the intent to reform the Bretton Woods system. You could still do it domestically, which is why they then tried to devalue the dollar relative to gold. Neither plan worked, so that by ‘76 they just dropped it altogether and turned the dollar into fiat currency.

You’re right, I remembered (about a minute after hitting “Post It”) that the US officially “went off the gold standard” in 1933, and that Nixon’s actions in 1971 were just getting rid of the last ties to Au.

re: #262 wheat-dogg

Pence is a stupid Bible thumper, who could screw things up in totally different ways than Trump. OTOH Pence has no popular following, and has the personality of a turnip, so he might not be able to gather support for his crazy ideas.

Positives about replacing Trump with Pence:

1 - ∞): He isn’t Trump.

Negatives about replacing Trump with Pence:

1- onward): As far as the Congressional GOP is concerned, Mike Pence is “one of them” - professional politician, ex-Congressman, ex-Governor - and getting rid of the “divisive” Trump would give them the excuse they need to close ranks and run roughshod over any Congressional opposition to enact their retrograde agenda. A President Pence with a Democratic House (and a split or near-split Senate) might not be too bad of a prospect for the country (for values of “not too bad” pegged at “not an absolute fucking disaster”).
A President Mike (Lets All Jump For Jesus) Pence with a GOP Congress? - well, re-peg those values…..

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makeitstop  Aug 31, 2017 • 10:32:10am

re: #272 nines09

Past tense? Or you did last night?

Oh, sorry! Played last night. :)

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ObserverArt  Aug 31, 2017 • 10:33:50am

re: #246 wheat-dogg

He could sell his furnishings and make a profit from the reclaimed gold

Nah, the “gold” metallic paint isn’t worth much.

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gocart mozart  Aug 31, 2017 • 10:34:31am

No he’s not a Nazi

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makeitstop  Aug 31, 2017 • 10:34:44am

re: #274 ObserverArt

Rex Tillerson most likely with some back stiffening from the three generals on the staff.

His comment that Trump doesn’t speak for me was the first hint.

Now if Mitch and Paulie decide to get tough on Trump September is going to be epic as far as sparks flying in the White House.

We’re edging up to mid-term territory with the quickness.

A lot of things are going to change for Trump, and he’s not gonna like it much.

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nines09  Aug 31, 2017 • 10:35:19am

re: #282 makeitstop

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makeitstop  Aug 31, 2017 • 10:35:51am

re: #278 wheat-dogg

Where do you get “highly intelligent” from? Or are you being sarcastic?

Seconding the question. The consensus among a lot of people in DC is that Pence is really not too bright.

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BeachDem  Aug 31, 2017 • 10:38:40am

re: #266 gocart mozart

A conversation with a Nazi douchehat, a case study

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I’m bored so I will just ignore

For a group with only about 15 million total worldwide (as of 2012, <0.2 of world population) THE JUICE certainly have amazing capabilities and control.
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makeitstop  Aug 31, 2017 • 10:38:54am

re: #286 nines09

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 31, 2017 • 10:42:51am

re: #27 Ubiq

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I didn’t know Trump had a house in Corpus Christi./

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JordanRules  Aug 31, 2017 • 10:43:39am

The propaganda jukebox keeps playing the same hits over and over.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 31, 2017 • 10:45:13am

re: #291 JordanRules

The propaganda jukebox keeps playing the same hits over and over.

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Speaking of “International Jewish Conspiracy” conspiracy theories.

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makeitstop  Aug 31, 2017 • 10:45:16am

This is great.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 31, 2017 • 10:46:16am

re: #283 ObserverArt

Nah, the “gold” metallic paint isn’t worth much.

Some people really like it.

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nines09  Aug 31, 2017 • 10:47:03am

re: #289 makeitstop

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 31, 2017 • 10:48:53am

re: #294 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Some people really like it.

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WITNESS ME!!!

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Sir John Barron  Aug 31, 2017 • 10:51:19am

re: #284 gocart mozart

Jews have been pushing immigration and hatred of whites in order to create non ethnic states they can control
— T (@VladTheImplyer2

These are very serious points that deserve a very serious response.

//////

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 31, 2017 • 10:51:31am

re: #294 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Some people really like it.

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Ah………a Trumpy version of Immortan Joe’s War Boys.

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2017 • 10:51:45am

re: #290 Big Beautiful Door

I didn’t know Trump had a house in Corpus Christi./

Corpus Christi = Body of Christ.
Church = Body of Christ.
Trump is a devout Christian, therefore he has his house in the Church, i.e. Corpus Christi.

There, libtard, I destroyed you with our Christian logic!!

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makeitstop  Aug 31, 2017 • 10:53:39am

re: #295 nines09

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JordanRules  Aug 31, 2017 • 10:54:04am

re: #292 Timothy Watson

Soros counts as 1 billion jewish people so there really are a lot more than 15 million you see. //

From time to time, I do get a chuckle out of the competing narrative from bigots of every stripe.
They’re so powerful, they control everything. *U-turn* They’re so weak and inferior, they don’t deserve to live. *Chiropractor*

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Ace-o-aces  Aug 31, 2017 • 10:56:00am

re: #291 JordanRules

The propaganda jukebox keeps playing the same hits over and over.

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Soros survived the NAZIs and took on the Communists AND Margret Thatcher. He farts in the general direction of your petition.

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 31, 2017 • 10:56:24am

re: #93 Patricia Kayden

Who the hell are the 10% of Clinton voters who believe that the media is a greater threat than White Supremacists?

Maybe they were thinking of rightwing media. You could make a good argument that Fox News, Limbaugh, et al are greater threats than open white supremacists.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 31, 2017 • 10:56:47am
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Nyet  Aug 31, 2017 • 10:56:57am

re: #302 Ace-o-aces

So they want to rob and imprison a Holocaust survivor? Who does that? Oh right…

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gocart mozart  Aug 31, 2017 • 10:57:36am
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nines09  Aug 31, 2017 • 10:59:17am

re: #300 makeitstop

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Ace-o-aces  Aug 31, 2017 • 10:59:52am

I give up…

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makeitstop  Aug 31, 2017 • 11:00:27am

re: #304 FormerDirtDart

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I congratulate her for scaling new heights of being annoying.

She’s like a Fox News-bot that didn’t turn out quite right and was shuffled off to OAN.

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 31, 2017 • 11:01:14am

re: #138 makeitstop

Well, yeah. Cernovich is a huge, slow-moving target.

I just don’t get the angle of the story. Why would Breitbart claim there was a ‘coup’ underway? Just to keep the crazies all worked up?

Yes.

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 31, 2017 • 11:03:18am

re: #151 ObserverArt

I know some Berners that think she will run for President again. It seems to be their big fear.

I hope she does not. I don’t want to see the abuse and nuttiness that would bring.

I hope she does not because I don’t want Trump or Pence to get another term. Hillary had her shot.

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JordanRules  Aug 31, 2017 • 11:05:38am

Is he going to say how or provide examples? That tweet was 5 hours ago.

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2017 • 11:06:23am
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jaunte  Aug 31, 2017 • 11:08:26am
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lawhawk  Aug 31, 2017 • 11:11:37am

re: #312 JordanRules

No evidence of stabilization. No evidence of professionalism. It’s the same shit show, just with a different cast of incompetent characters.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 31, 2017 • 11:11:51am
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Timothy Watson  Aug 31, 2017 • 11:12:02am

White privilege at work: Christopher Cantwell granted $25k bond in Albemarle, Commonwealth’s Attorney to appeal

He’s charged with three violent felonies and he’s from out of state. He’s been convicted of at least four misdemeanors in New Hampshire but manages to get a partly $25,000 bail.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 31, 2017 • 11:13:10am

re: #317 Timothy Watson

White privilege at work: Christopher Cantwell granted $25k bond in Albemarle, Commonwealth’s Attorney to appeal

He’s charged with three violent felonies and he’s from out of state. He’s been convicted of at least four misdemeanors in New Hampshire but manages to get a partly $25,000 bail.

The other guys in the County lockup were tired of the sobbing?

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Timothy Watson  Aug 31, 2017 • 11:14:49am

re: #309 makeitstop

I congratulate her for scaling new heights of being annoying.

She’s like a Fox News-bot that didn’t turn out quite right and was shuffled off to OAN.

The wingnut version of the Island of Misfit Toys?

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JordanRules  Aug 31, 2017 • 11:15:50am

re: #315 lawhawk

I remember your post from just yesterday detailing parts of how their comms are horrible and what that means at the executive level. Yesterday.

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Franklin  Aug 31, 2017 • 11:16:27am

Mid vacation OT. But I see impressive tweets that folks just like or comment on. But RT’ing them can actually change public discourse as more people see them. Therefore:

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 31, 2017 • 11:17:06am

re: #319 Timothy Watson

The wingnut version of the Island of Misfit Toys?

I believe Rick Wilson already used The Island of Misfit Toys to describe Flynn and Gorka and Miller. But he probably didn’t copyright it, so you’re safe.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 31, 2017 • 11:17:53am

re: #320 JordanRules

I remember your post from just yesterday detailing parts of how their comms are horrible and what that means at the executive level. Yesterday.

Must have stabilized overnight.

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makeitstop  Aug 31, 2017 • 11:18:49am

re: #316 FormerDirtDart

Manafort’s Notes from Russian Meeting Included Word ‘Donations’ Near RNC

Russian hacking and meddling in the election doesn’t seem to make much of an impression on a lot of people.

‘Trump took Russian money’ is the stuff that effective political ads are made of.

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lawhawk  Aug 31, 2017 • 11:19:42am

re: #316 FormerDirtDart

But her emails.
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 31, 2017 • 11:20:39am

re: #324 makeitstop

Russian hacking and meddling in the election doesn’t seem to make much of an impression on a lot of people.

‘Trump took Russian money’ is the stuff that effective political ads are made of.

Russia has gone from being an arch enemy to a model to be emulated: oligarchic, authoritarian and theocratic. Only difference being that the GOP lean towards a fundamentalist Christian theocracy rather than a Russian Orthodox one.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 31, 2017 • 11:22:43am

re: #326 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Russia has gone from being an arch enemy to a model to be emulated: oligarchic, authoritarian and theocratic. Only difference being that the GOP lean towards a fundamentalist Christian theocracy rather than a Russian Orthodox one.

They’re white and they hate MOOOZLIMZ!!! and Teh Ghey, so they’re the Right’s kind of people.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 31, 2017 • 11:23:09am

re: #326 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Russia has gone from being an arch enemy to a model to be emulated: oligarchic, authoritarian and theocratic. Only difference being that the GOP lean towards a fundamentalist Christian theocracy rather than a Russian Orthodox one.

Then that’s where the wedge needs to be driven. If we get the sects attacking each other, they will have less time to attack people who want nothing to do with either of them.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 31, 2017 • 11:23:31am
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Nyet  Aug 31, 2017 • 11:24:59am

re: #327 Blind Frog Belly White

They’re white and they hate MOOOZLIMZ!!! and Teh Ghey, so they’re the Right’s kind of people.

Last time I checked, one of Putin’s closest cronies is a Muslim. An Islamist, in fact.

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JordanRules  Aug 31, 2017 • 11:25:17am

re: #323 Blind Frog Belly White

Can’t continue horrible communications ops when you’re sleep!

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 31, 2017 • 11:26:54am

Well, that’s one way to get a national soundbite

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jaunte  Aug 31, 2017 • 11:27:22am
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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 31, 2017 • 11:27:29am

What in the world were these guys up to?

L.A. NOW
Mostly naked, rifle-toting brothers nabbed in break-in at Orange County megachurch, police say

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 31, 2017 • 11:27:50am
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FormerDirtDart  Aug 31, 2017 • 11:33:34am
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Skip Intro  Aug 31, 2017 • 11:34:54am

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makeitstop  Aug 31, 2017 • 11:37:25am

re: #326 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Russia has gone from being an arch enemy to a model to be emulated: oligarchic, authoritarian and theocratic. Only difference being that the GOP lean towards a fundamentalist Christian theocracy rather than a Russian Orthodox one.

With Trump’s crazy-ass base and scum like Dana Rohrabacher, sure.

You’re not going to convince me that a majority of Americans are looking at the country that once vowed to bury us and saying ‘Yeah, they’re cool.’

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 31, 2017 • 11:39:18am

re: #335 FormerDirtDart

Perjury.

That should sound eerily familiar to the GOP - they impeached Clinton on it, after all.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 31, 2017 • 11:39:24am

re: #338 makeitstop

With Trump’s crazy-ass base and scum like Dana Rohrabacher, sure.

You’re not going to convince me that a majority of Americans are looking at the country that once vowed to bury us and saying ‘Yeah, they’re cool.’

they don’t need a majority, just a plurality in the gerrymandered, EC delegate-heavy states

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gocart mozart  Aug 31, 2017 • 11:40:12am
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ObserverArt  Aug 31, 2017 • 11:41:17am

re: #304 FormerDirtDart

Liz Wheeler ✔ @Liz_Wheeler
Never let a crisis go to waste! A true Saul Alinsky tactic.
12:34 PM - Aug 30, 2017
66 66 Replies 418 418 Retweets 741 741 likes

Whoa…just wait a cotton-pickin’ second.

Did this OAN News Woman just make a dig at Democrats taking advantage of a tragedy and make it political and tie Peter King into it?

And Cenk Unger…who actually hates established Democrats is a part of it too?

I stopped watching right then…I didn’t want the brain damage.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 31, 2017 • 11:44:17am

re: #330 Nyet

Last time I checked, one of Putin’s closest cronies is a Muslim. An Islamist, in fact.

This information may be received with some dismay by the local Nazis, who tend to see Russia as The Great White Hope. And yes, they DO see Muslims as inherently not white.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 31, 2017 • 11:45:17am

re: #333 jaunte

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Arkema? Isn’t that where The Scarecrow works?

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2017 • 11:46:21am

re: #343 Blind Frog Belly White

@NinaByzantina (Richard Spencer’s estranged wife) used to have a huge photo of Kadyrov as her twitter acc background.

346
Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 31, 2017 • 11:47:24am

re: #345 Nyet

@NinaByzantina (Richard Spencer’s estranged wife) used to have a huge photo of Kadyrov as her twitter acc background.

The enemy of my enemy is confused.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 31, 2017 • 11:47:40am

re: #345 Nyet

@NinaByzantina (Richard Spencer’s estranged wife) used to have a huge photo of Kadyrov as her twitter acc background.

He is a friend of Putin because he keeps the Chechen separatists in check. And a massive homophobe.

348
Stanley Sea  Aug 31, 2017 • 11:47:40am

re: #339 Dr Lizardo

Perjury.

That should sound eerily familiar to the GOP - they impeached Clinton on it, after all.

Add that the yam wrote the first lie excuse for Jr.’s meeting.

Cover up

349
danarchy  Aug 31, 2017 • 11:48:39am

re: #204 Ace-o-aces

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Supporting freedom of speech does not mean you can’t call someone out for stupid speech.

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Ace-o-aces  Aug 31, 2017 • 11:49:32am

Been agruing with this person. I just want to check that I’m not the crazy one here. The implication of this tweet is that CH owes us thanks for the defense of their free speech rights, correct?

351
Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 31, 2017 • 11:50:55am

re: #349 danarchy

Supporting freedom of speech does not mean you can’t call someone out for stupid speech.

Yesterday, my wingnut cousin liked an FB post calling for The View to be banned because it’s “Anti-Trump and Anti-American” - Yes, in that order.

352
DodgerFan1988  Aug 31, 2017 • 11:51:16am

Trump Administration announces they will now deport 800,000 “Dreamers.”

353
Ace-o-aces  Aug 31, 2017 • 11:51:24am

re: #349 danarchy

Supporting freedom of speech does not mean you can’t call someone out for stupid speech.

My response was a bit off. I was objecting to the idea CH had some obligation to be nicer to people who defended their free speech rights.

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Nyet  Aug 31, 2017 • 11:52:20am

re: #347 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He is a friend of Putin because he keeps the Chechen separatists in check. And a massive homophobe.

The pro-Putin Russian nationalists (yes, there are some anti-Putin too) have greatly warmed up to Kadyrov in recent years. There are even some talks of a future Kadyrov presidency.

355
jaunte  Aug 31, 2017 • 11:52:35am

re: #350 Ace-o-aces

Not being a Texas neo-nazi, I wasn’t annoyed by the cartoon.

356
BeachDem  Aug 31, 2017 • 11:53:06am

re: #312 JordanRules

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Is he going to say how or provide examples? That tweet was 5 hours ago.

That one was so out there, even Maggie didn’t retweet it.

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Stanley Sea  Aug 31, 2017 • 11:53:28am

re: #352 DodgerFan1988

Trump Administration announces they will now deport 800,000 “Dreamers.”

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He’s lashing out

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Jay C  Aug 31, 2017 • 11:54:12am

re: #339 Dr Lizardo

Perjury.

That should sound eerily familiar to the GOP - they impeached Clinton on it, after all.

The big difference (well, other than Bill Clinton being a (D)) was that Bill made his perjured statement in front of a Federal Grand Jury - in the context of an formal investigation* into various accusations - and no matter what the context (“context” is a meaningless term to Congressional GOPers - (D) and (R) are the only concepts worth considering) - that’s what eventually did him in.
Unless/until somebody gets The Yam up in front of some similar body to have his responses** on the (formal, legal) records over any of these corruption allegations, and have ANYTHING he may deign to answer contradicted by facts: no case.
Yet.

*obsessive political witch-hunt, actually, but who’s counting?
** I have the image of a lengthy deposition in which Trump’s only answers beyond “what is your name?” are “I don’t know” and “I don;t remember”

359
JordanRules  Aug 31, 2017 • 11:55:16am

re: #357 Stanley Sea

Yep! I expect more of this too.

360
Sir John Barron  Aug 31, 2017 • 11:56:25am

re: #304 FormerDirtDart

SAUL ALINSKY! DRINK!

361
Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 31, 2017 • 11:57:33am

re: #360 Sir John Barron

SAUL ALINSKY! DRINK!

But we can’t use Alinsky for a drinking game during CPAC. People will die.

362
makeitstop  Aug 31, 2017 • 11:57:46am

re: #358 Jay C

The big difference (well, other than Bill Clinton being a (D)) was that Bill made his perjured statement in front of a Federal Grand Jury - in the context of an formal investigation* into various accusations - and no matter what the context (“context” is a meaningless term to Congressional GOPers - (D) and (R) are the only concepts worth considering) - that’s what eventually did him in.
Unless/until somebody gets The Yam up in front of some similar body to have his responses** on the (formal, legal) records over any of these corruption allegations, and have ANYTHING he may deign to answer contradicted by facts: no case.
Yet.

*obsessive political witch-hunt, actually, but who’s counting?
** I have the image of a lengthy deposition in which Trump’s only answers beyond “what is your name?” are “I don’t know” and “I don;t remember”

Two words: paper trail.

Mueller’s team are thorough and meticulous, and well versed in the many facets of corruption Trump deals in.

Remember, these guys aren’t evil geniuses. They’re every bit as inept as they are corrupt.

363
FormerDirtDart  Aug 31, 2017 • 11:58:14am

re: #352 DodgerFan1988

Trump Administration announces they will now deport 800,000 “Dreamers.”

364
Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 31, 2017 • 11:59:24am

re: #358 Jay C

The big difference (well, other than Bill Clinton being a (D)) was that Bill made his perjured statement in front of a Federal Grand Jury - in the context of an formal investigation* into various accusations - and no matter what the context (“context” is a meaningless term to Congressional GOPers - (D) and (R) are the only concepts worth considering) - that’s what eventually did him in.
Unless/until somebody gets The Yam up in front of some similar body to have his responses** on the (formal, legal) records over any of these corruption allegations, and have ANYTHING he may deign to answer contradicted by facts: no case.
Yet.

*obsessive political witch-hunt, actually, but who’s counting?
** I have the image of a lengthy deposition in which Trump’s only answers beyond “what is your name?” are “I don’t know” and “I don;t remember”

Uh, I thought Clinton made his false statement in a deposition in the Paula Jones lawsuit?

365
FormerDirtDart  Aug 31, 2017 • 11:59:43am

There goes Easter vacation…

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Sir John Barron  Aug 31, 2017 • 12:00:05pm

re: #361 Blind Frog Belly White

But we can’t use Alinsky for a drinking game during CPAC. People will die.

Is it CPAC time again? I may need to drink.

367
FormerDirtDart  Aug 31, 2017 • 12:02:59pm
368
ObserverArt  Aug 31, 2017 • 12:03:41pm

re: #325 lawhawk

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lawhawk…I made you this image back when I first saw you post the one in your comment.

Feel free to use it if you want. No biggie if you don’t. Just wanted to jazz it up and make it clearer.

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Big Beautiful Door  Aug 31, 2017 • 12:04:19pm

re: #231 wheat-dogg

Morning, all. I’ve been reading up on Trump being a gold bug. Supposedly, he wants to replace Yellen with a gold standard-friendly Fed chairman, and then peg the dollar to gold.

aka “how to tank the US economy in two easy steps.”

That would be insane. Presumably the Goldman-Sachs guys in his administration will prevent that.

370
Decatur Deb  Aug 31, 2017 • 12:05:33pm

It’s a safe bet that neo-Nazis will be wildly under-represented among the Texas dead.

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ObserverArt  Aug 31, 2017 • 12:11:19pm

re: #364 Blind Frog Belly White

Uh, I thought Clinton made his false statement in a deposition in the Paula Jones lawsuit?

I think both the Jones lawsuit and the Grand Jury were part of his perjury.

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Bubblehead II  Aug 31, 2017 • 12:12:20pm

re: #368 ObserverArt

lawhawk…I made you this image back when I first saw you post the one in your comment.

Feel free to use it if you want. No biggie if you don’t. Just wanted to jazz it up and make it clearer.

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Posted to my Twitter TL.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 31, 2017 • 12:24:26pm

re: #371 ObserverArt

I think both the Jones lawsuit and the Grand Jury were part of his perjury.

Oh, yeah. The grand jury to determine whether he’d given misleading testimony about a non-germane subject in a frivolous lawsuit.

And the GOP wondered why everyone who wasn’t a Republican saw this as a partisan witch hunt.

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wheat-dogg  Aug 31, 2017 • 12:30:06pm

re: #369 Big Beautiful Door

That would be insane. Presumably the Goldman-Sachs guys in his administration will prevent that.

Only if they wrestle the cellphone from his tiny hands.

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The Vicious Babushka  Aug 31, 2017 • 12:50:04pm

re: #266 gocart mozart

A conversation with a Nazi douchehat, a case study

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I’m bored so I will just ignore

There was already a debate about his “points” it was called “World War II”


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