As Reports Emerge That Trump Is Hating Life Under Kelly, He Tweets Praise for Kelly

The Trump-thing’s dreaded kiss of death
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The monster in the White House emitted yet another Twitter blurt this morning, professing his complete confidence in chief of staff John Kelly:

Of course, we all know he’s not getting things done “at a record clip” or any other clip, but the important thing to note is that when Trump praises a member of his staff it’s basically the Kiss of Death.

And this random-seeming tweet was almost certainly reacting to a Washington Post article reporting that Trump is seriously chafing under Kelly’s management.

Who could have seen this coming, besides everybody?

Behind the scenes during a summer of crisis, however, Trump appears to pine for the days when the Oval Office was a bustling hub of visitors and gossip, over which he presided as impresario. He fumes that he does not get the credit he thinks he deserves from the media or the allegiance from fellow Republican leaders he says he is owed. He boasts about his presidency in superlatives, but confidants privately fret about his suddenly dark moods.

And some of Trump’s friends fear that the short-tempered president is on an inevitable collision course with White House Chief of Staff John F. Kelly.

Trump chafes at some of the retired Marine Corps general’s moves to restrict access to him since he took the job almost a month ago, said several people close to the president. They run counter to Trump’s love of spontaneity and brashness, prompting some Trump loyalists to derisively dub Kelly “the church lady” because they consider him strict and morally superior.

“He’s having a very hard time,” one friend who spoke with Trump this week said of the president. “He doesn’t like the way the media’s handling him. He doesn’t like how Kelly’s handling him. He’s turning on people that are very close to him.”

And if Kelly was hoping to stop leaking from this White House of snakes and con men, he probably didn’t like this kinda hilarious sentence from the Post’s article:

This portrait of Trump as he enters what could be his most consequential month in office is based on interviews with 15 senior White House officials, outside advisers and friends of the president, many of whom spoke on the condition of anonymity to be candid.

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368 comments

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Kragar  Sep 1, 2017 • 12:09:48pm

This is the Trump equivalent of giving someone their 2 weeks notice.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 1, 2017 • 12:13:11pm

re: #1 Kragar

This is the Trump equivalent of giving someone their 2 weeks notice.

The Trump Kiss of Death.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 1, 2017 • 12:14:03pm

interviews with 15 senior White House officials

they work in the office of Wow I Didn’t Know There Were So Many Senior White House Officials And They Seem To Spend All Their Time Leaking

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JordanRules  Sep 1, 2017 • 12:16:39pm

Oh! It’s a wrap for the general.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 1, 2017 • 12:17:22pm

Look at his accomplishments. Why he just slashed the budget for advertising and helping people enroll in health insurance, since, after all, Obamacare is gone already. And soon, he may make young law-abiding workers brought to the US by their parents eligible for forced deportation! Such winning!

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jaunte  Sep 1, 2017 • 12:19:31pm
“He doesn’t like the way the media’s handling him.”

As usual, Trump takes no responsibility for what he does and the way he behaves, he blames the media for not writing glowing PR press releases.

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jaunte  Sep 1, 2017 • 12:20:15pm
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jaunte  Sep 1, 2017 • 12:22:48pm
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wrenchwench  Sep 1, 2017 • 12:24:05pm
Of course, we all know he’s not getting things done “at a record clip” or any other clip, but the important thing to note is that when Trump praises a member of his staff it’s basically the Kiss of Death.

It’s the presidential clip joint!

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bratwurst  Sep 1, 2017 • 12:25:44pm

Here is the offending clip:

Antifa: The Anti-Fascist Antagonists of the Alt-Right: The Daily Show

By all means, show up and protest white supremacists and call yourself whatever you like in doing so. Damaging property (even property belonging to Starbucks or Bank of America) and assaulting people is always wrong and counterproductive no matter who does it or why.

How can this be hard for people to grasp?

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 1, 2017 • 12:28:07pm

re: #10 bratwurst

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Here is the offending clip:

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By all means, show up and protest white supremacists and call yourself whatever you like in doing so. Damaging property (even property belonging to Starbucks or Bank of America) and assaulting people is always wrong and counterproductive no matter who does it or why.

How can this be hard for people to grasp?

they believe fascists and nazis will in the end take advantage of us being peaceable and law abiding and respecting their civil rights

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 1, 2017 • 12:30:16pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 1, 2017 • 12:30:21pm

Hung on the end of the last thread:

re: #434 Barefoot Grin

Sorry, to explain: Trump just said he’ll be proclaiming next Sunday as a national day of prayer or something “because we need and deserve it.”

re: #481 Anymouse 🌹

No we don’t. As Madalyn Murray O’Hair noted: Two hands working can do more than a thousand clasped in prayer.

I’m sure the Evangelicals who voted in droves for the serial adulterer and divorcee who owned casinos and defrauded students will be pleased though.

whitehouse.gov (Text of Presidential Proclamation)

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JordanRules  Sep 1, 2017 • 12:30:33pm

re: #10 bratwurst

Are you seeing folks on the left saying the people who act violently (without provocation) and damage property shouldn’t be punished cause I really don’t.

We’ve lost the damn plot again. RIP Heather Heyer.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 1, 2017 • 12:31:43pm

re: #10 bratwurst

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… How can this be hard for people to grasp?

This is a rhetorical question, right?

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ObserverArt  Sep 1, 2017 • 12:31:44pm

Sounds like Big Donny would like his term to be his own personal Groundhog Day movie, with January 20, 2017 as the day he repeats every day.

And unlike the movie, Trump won’t want to get out of the cycle, he will want to make sure it goes on and on and he can talk about millions of people on the mall, the parties and balls…and the love from his beloved Russians base.

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JordanRules  Sep 1, 2017 • 12:33:41pm

re: #14 JordanRules

There is a good exhange here in the comments to Sarah’s tweet.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 1, 2017 • 12:34:05pm

re: #8 jaunte

This dude on the news just found an 11 foot alligator in his dining room. Holy crap😩 #HurricaneHarvey

Tastes like chicken.

Gator luau, invite the neighbors

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bratwurst  Sep 1, 2017 • 12:35:52pm

re: #14 JordanRules

Are you seeing folks on the left saying the people who act violently (without provocation) and damage property shouldn’t be punished cause I really don’t.

Trevor Noah is not trending because everyone is unanimous on what you said.

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jaunte  Sep 1, 2017 • 12:37:04pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 1, 2017 • 12:38:39pm
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JordanRules  Sep 1, 2017 • 12:39:20pm

re: #19 bratwurst

Point taken. I will check out the hashtag. Still not happy about this narrative that’s emerging that will, by design, dangerously stoke the both sides flame.

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Belafon  Sep 1, 2017 • 12:39:28pm

“But they’re our thugs!”

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 1, 2017 • 12:39:47pm

Pro-Russia Bots Are Hyping Antifa Threat on Twitter while Downplaying White Supremacist Violence (Raw Story, more at the link):

Bloomberg reports that Hamilton 68, an online dashboard designed by researchers at the Alliance for Securing Democracy to track the influence of Russian propaganda bots on social media, has found that the bots have been working to hype up the threat posted by Antifa, the anti-fascism group that endorses the use of violence to directly confront neo-Nazis, the Ku Klux Klan, and other white supremacist organizations.

“A top theme users boosted the week after the Charlottesville clashes was ‘alt-right alarmism’ about the left-wing anti-fascist movement, known as Antifa, according to the dashboard findings,” writes Bloomberg. “The most-tweeted link in the Russian-linked network followed by the researchers was a petition to declare Antifa a terrorist group.”

The researchers behind Hamilton 68 see the tactics being used by Russian propaganda bots — which also pointedly attacked Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) over his criticism of President Donald Trump’s response to Charlottesville — as a dry run for what’s to come in the 2018 and 2020 elections.

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VegasGolfer  Sep 1, 2017 • 12:40:20pm

Trump is getting shit done at a rapid clip, but it’s destructive shit, not anything positive.

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JordanRules  Sep 1, 2017 • 12:41:54pm

re: #24 Anymouse 🌹

This one is working really well too. The McMaster one didn’t take off like they’d hoped.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 1, 2017 • 12:42:28pm
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jaunte  Sep 1, 2017 • 12:43:16pm
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goddamnedfrank  Sep 1, 2017 • 12:43:43pm
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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2017 • 12:44:21pm

re: #11 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

they believe fascists and nazis will in the end take advantage of us being peaceable and law abiding and respecting their civil rights

It’s much nicer to have your windows and jaw broken by a hooded guy in a red armband than by one in a black armband.

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jaunte  Sep 1, 2017 • 12:45:07pm
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jaunte  Sep 1, 2017 • 12:45:19pm
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goddamnedfrank  Sep 1, 2017 • 12:45:29pm

re: #28 jaunte

Only reason to postpone ‘til Tuesday is to prep ICE for mass roundups. This is going to get ugly.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 1, 2017 • 12:45:45pm

I need to bow out and take a nap. Waiting for all those phone calls from the mechanic, insurance, &c put me way past my usual bedtime.

I’m tired and drugged enough I should even be able to sleep through the Minuteman III launches if we have those this afternoon. Catch y’all later.

At least our public library budget increase passed last night (I was not at the board meeting), so if we’re nuked back to the Stone Age we still have books on things like hunting, animal husbandry, how to build a straw-bale house, and what to do if your spouse is glowing in the dark. /s

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ObserverArt  Sep 1, 2017 • 12:46:32pm

Anymouse,

I went and picked up some groceries at our downtown Krogers and when I came back out of the store there was a Smart car parked across from me. It had a Bernie 2016 bumper sticker and all.

It made me think of you.

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bratwurst  Sep 1, 2017 • 12:46:51pm

re: #22 JordanRules

Point taken. I will check out the hashtag. Still not happy about this narrative that’s emerging that will, by design, dangerously stoke the both sides flame.

I totally agree. The idea this is a “both sides” thing is a right wing cudgel being wielded against anyone on the left right now.

I guess the issue is that people feel Noah has bought into that, but I don’t see it. I feel like we can point out very bad behavior without engaging in moral relativity.

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Belafon  Sep 1, 2017 • 12:47:17pm

re: #11 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

they believe fascists and nazis will in the end take advantage of us being peaceable and law abiding and respecting their civil rights

Then let them explain Boston.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 1, 2017 • 12:48:20pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 1, 2017 • 12:48:23pm

re: #30 Decatur Deb

It’s much nicer to have your windows and jaw broken by a hooded guy in a red armband than by one in a black armband.

In the end, the magic balance fairy argument doesn’t work. Property damage if it occurs can be fixed.

As Sarah Kendzior noted, focus on the “fa” part of antifa. Antifa doesn’t advocate for genocide.

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Kragar  Sep 1, 2017 • 12:48:26pm
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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2017 • 12:49:28pm

re: #39 Anymouse 🌹

In the end, the magic balance fairy argument doesn’t work. Property damage if it occurs can be fixed.

As Sarah Kendzior noted, focus on the “fa” part of antifa. Antifa doesn’t advocate for genocide.

Why get your thuggery retail when you can get it wholesale?

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jaunte  Sep 1, 2017 • 12:49:58pm
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Belafon  Sep 1, 2017 • 12:50:02pm

re: #40 Kragar

That should be her current job, given her skillset.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 1, 2017 • 12:50:54pm

re: #35 ObserverArt

Anymouse,

I went and picked up some groceries at our downtown Krogers and when I came back out of the store there was a Smart car parked across from me. It had a Bernie 2016 bumper sticker and all.

It made me think of you.

I had one on my car during the primaries. That came off toward the end. As my car was seen in Manitoba:

At the 53rd Parallel (considered the gateway to northern Canada)
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 1, 2017 • 12:51:20pm

re: #44 Anymouse 🌹

I had one on my car during the primaries. That came off toward the end. As my car was seen in Manitoba:

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Fifty-four forty or fight!

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JordanRules  Sep 1, 2017 • 12:51:24pm

re: #36 bratwurst

Indeed and I appreciate your care with the subject. We need it!

I know he has called out the Alt-right, but I hope Trevor uses his platform to make sure he’s not feeding the both sides beast.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 1, 2017 • 12:54:50pm

re: #45 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Fifty-four forty or fight!

We tried, but no one came out to take on my wife and me. We eventually had to come home.

Fighting for 54-40
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Ace-o-aces  Sep 1, 2017 • 12:55:49pm
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TedStriker  Sep 1, 2017 • 12:56:42pm

re: #34 Anymouse 🌹

I need to bow out and take a nap. Waiting for all those phone calls from the mechanic, insurance, &c put me way past my usual bedtime.

I’m tired and drugged enough I should even be able to sleep through the Minuteman III launches if we have those this afternoon. Catch y’all later.

At least our public library budget increase passed last night (I was not at the board meeting), so if we’re nuked back to the Stone Age we still have books on things like hunting, animal husbandry, how to build a straw-bale house, and what to do if your spouse is glowing in the dark. /s

“Do you know what those things can do? Suck the paint off your house and give your family a permanent orange afro.”

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Belafon  Sep 1, 2017 • 12:57:55pm

re: #36 bratwurst

I totally agree. The idea this is a “both sides” thing is a right wing cudgel being wielded against anyone on the left right now.

I guess the issue is that people feel Noah has bought into that, but I don’t see it. I feel like we can point out very bad behavior without engaging in moral relativity.

“The right uses violence to keep their power. A woman died because of their actions.”
“Damn right they do!”
“The left shouldn’t be picking fights or damaging property. It hurts the message.”
“Hey, it’s not the same thing.”

No, not it isn’t. And that’s not what’s being said by me or others.

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William Lewis  Sep 1, 2017 • 12:58:00pm

re: #37 Belafon

I hope it holds but history doesn’t have much hope (see Chile, Germany, Italy, Japan​ & Spain for an alphabetical starter).

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 1, 2017 • 12:58:47pm
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Sep 1, 2017 • 12:58:49pm

re: #49 TedStriker

Spies Likes Us?

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Belafon  Sep 1, 2017 • 1:00:29pm

re: #51 William Lewis

I hope it holds but history doesn’t have much hope (see Chile, Germany, Italy, Japan​ & Spain for an alphabetical starter).

I am hopeful because there were 3M more Clinton votes than Trump votes, and there keep being more people showing up opposing white supremacy than supporting it.

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bratwurst  Sep 1, 2017 • 1:01:20pm

re: #46 JordanRules

Indeed and I appreciate your care with the subject. We need it!

I know he has called out the Alt-right, but I hope Trevor uses his platform to make sure he’s not feeding the both sides beast.

I am not about to pull a KT on Antifa and tar the vast majority with the bad behavior of a tiny minority.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 1, 2017 • 1:01:30pm
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jaunte  Sep 1, 2017 • 1:02:17pm

But who needs a working population after a major disaster, right?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 1, 2017 • 1:03:30pm

re: #57 jaunte

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But who needs a working population after a major disaster, right?

Everyone knows that illegal immigrants don’t work, they mooch. Come on, get your talking points right, or we’ll start accusing you of being a libtard.

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William Lewis  Sep 1, 2017 • 1:03:57pm

All I’ll say is remember that Allende won the vote but 9/11/73 still happened. And the NSDAP never had a majority.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2017 • 1:04:47pm

re: #55 bratwurst

I am not about to pull a KT on Antifa and tar the vast majority with the bad behavior of a tiny minority.

Antifa is a tiny minority. If you want more resolution, you’ll need the last 4 of their SSAN.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 1, 2017 • 1:04:52pm
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TedStriker  Sep 1, 2017 • 1:06:15pm

re: #53 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Spies Like Us?

Yup.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 1, 2017 • 1:07:07pm

re: #59 William Lewis

All I’ll say is remember that Allende won the vote but 9/11/73 still happened. And the NSDAP never had a majority.

Salvador Allende was ousted with the help of the CIA. Can’t have a socialist win a free and fair election and have it stand with our conservatives.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 1, 2017 • 1:07:27pm

Brianna Keiler of CNN just started her show, paraphrase:

What do we expect the potus to do with the young people under DACA when he pardoned Joe Arpaio?

EXACTLY

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ObserverArt  Sep 1, 2017 • 1:08:32pm

re: #60 Decatur Deb

Antifa is a tiny minority. If you want more resolution, you’ll need the last 4 of their SSAN.

A tiny minority made big by our news entertainment media.

The same news entertainment media that made a tiny-minded character seem like a legit candidate.

They did such a good job he became President.

I fear they will make Antifa way more than they are too.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2017 • 1:09:44pm

re: #65 ObserverArt

A tiny minority made big by our news entertainment media.

The same news entertainment media that made a tiny-minded character seem like a legit candidate.

They did such a good job he became President.

I fear they will make Antifa way more than they are too.

To the vast detriment of liberal/progressive activism.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 1, 2017 • 1:10:14pm

re: #61 FormerDirtDart

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CYA?

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ObserverArt  Sep 1, 2017 • 1:10:37pm

re: #66 Decatur Deb

To the vast detriment of liberal/progressive activism.

Yes, just like Big Blimpo Trump.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Sep 1, 2017 • 1:10:48pm

I have a really hard time being against Antifa. Yes they need to get a grip and not be vandalizing places etc. But honestly, I see nothing wrong with punching a fucking nazi.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2017 • 1:12:09pm

re: #69 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

I have a really hard time being against Antifa. Yes they need to get a grip and not be vandalizing places etc. But honestly, I see nothing wrong with punching a fucking nazi.

Punch a few and you’ll eventually kill one. Scale up the violence and the movement is voiceless.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 1, 2017 • 1:12:56pm
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wrenchwench  Sep 1, 2017 • 1:13:18pm

re: #69 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

I have a really hard time being against Antifa. Yes they need to get a grip and not be vandalizing places etc. But honestly, I see nothing wrong with punching a fucking nazi.

They have to be ID’d beyond a shadow of a doubt before punching. I find non-violence to be a more effective method. It may take longer, but sometimes it is worth it.

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JordanRules  Sep 1, 2017 • 1:13:47pm

re: #66 Decatur Deb

How? By turning off people who might have otherwise been supportive? What others ways?
I know we’ve had this discussion before and I’m asking sincerely. We will still disagree I’m sure.

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bratwurst  Sep 1, 2017 • 1:13:59pm

re: #71 FormerDirtDart

Easily my favorite Labor Day tradition since the late Jerry Lewis got canned from the telethon.

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ObserverArt  Sep 1, 2017 • 1:14:39pm

re: #69 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

I have a really hard time being against Antifa. Yes they need to get a grip and not be vandalizing places etc. But honestly, I see nothing wrong with punching a fucking nazi.

I don’t think many are against the IDEA of Antifa.

What we are worried about is them and their actions being painted as speaking for all Democrats, liberals, progressives and the like.

The bad actions of a few being blown up as everyone on the left is an anarchist is the kind of BS that got us Trump.

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jaunte  Sep 1, 2017 • 1:15:39pm
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Belafon  Sep 1, 2017 • 1:16:27pm

re: #69 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

I have a really hard time being against Antifa. Yes they need to get a grip and not be vandalizing places etc. But honestly, I see nothing wrong with punching a fucking nazi.

They problems are:
1. The masks that some of them wear.
2. The aggressiveness.

Why isn’t marching enough? And I am not against defending yourself, and making sure the other person is wary of trying to attack someone again. But they seem to be trying to start fights, and, more importantly, making themselves the center of attention. We should be talking about violent Nazis.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2017 • 1:17:32pm

re: #73 JordanRules

How? By turning off people who might have otherwise been supportive? What others ways?
I know we’ve had this discussion before and I’m asking sincerely. We will still disagree I’m sure.

By losing those who still believe in the rule of law.
By losing the media, which is still useful though necessarily compromised.
By losing the churches.
By losing the moral high ground.
By giving the right-leaning cops public approval when they sweep the streets.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 1, 2017 • 1:19:02pm

Keith Schiller is out?

He knows EVERYTHING

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Stanley Sea  Sep 1, 2017 • 1:19:42pm

re: #79 Stanley Sea

Keith Schiller is out?

He knows EVERYTHING

Not leaving till end of Sept/Oct

financial reasons per Dana Bash.

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William Lewis  Sep 1, 2017 • 1:20:20pm

re: #72 wrenchwench

They have to be ID’d beyond a shadow of a doubt before punching. I find non-violence to be a more effective method. It may take longer, but sometimes it is worth it.

If Gandhi had faced the Nazis rather than British? The British weren’t afraid to kill a few (Google Jallianwala Bagh massacre for example) but nonviolence could wear them down. Now imagine trying that against Heydrich…

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Targetpractice  Sep 1, 2017 • 1:22:30pm

re: #76 jaunte

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Thank God Trump is protecting us from elderly women. I’m sure she can be deadly with a soup ladle.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2017 • 1:22:51pm

re: #81 William Lewis

If Gandhi had faced the Nazis rather than British? The British weren’t afraid to kill a few (Google Jallianwala Bagh massacre for example) but nonviolence could wear them down. Now imagine trying that against Heydrich…

Then we better get it right before we give the reins to real Nazis, because nobody is Overlording it on New Jersey beaches.

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Belafon  Sep 1, 2017 • 1:23:15pm

re: #81 William Lewis

If Gandhi had faced the Nazis rather than British? The British weren’t afraid to kill a few (Google Jallianwala Bagh massacre for example) but nonviolence could wear them down. Now imagine trying that against Heydrich…

Have you seen our Nazis? They are not German Nazis. Have you seen their leader?

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 1, 2017 • 1:24:14pm

“… The allegation came to light as part of a defamation lawsuit Rose filed against attorney John Dowd, as an unnamed woman made a sworn statement claiming she had sex with Rose before she was 16, the age of consent in Ohio. In court documents, Rose acknowledged having sex with the woman but claimed at the time he thought she was 16. The baseball great was 34 and married with children. Rose faces no criminal concerns over the relationship as he the statute of limitations has passed. …”

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Sep 1, 2017 • 1:24:19pm

The violent element of Antifa is nothing more than a few brain dead cos-players who share common costuming and slogans they picked up from the internet. We concede the RWNJ’s absurd propaganda claims if we allow ourselves to generalize these gangs to the whole movement. It would be easy for law enforcement to target them, since they go out of their way to self-identify, and throw them in jail to face real charges and hard time. It serves right-wing propaganda interests though to let them run wild and dominate video of any particular protest event. In their thoughtless pursuit of colorful video, the media play right along, despite the mortal threat the right wing presents to their livelihood and freedom.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 1, 2017 • 1:24:59pm

re: #85 FormerDirtDart

He’s so fucking gross

He’ll die without the HOF & good.

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jaunte  Sep 1, 2017 • 1:25:45pm

re: #82 Targetpractice

Deadly with the chancla.

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William Lewis  Sep 1, 2017 • 1:25:51pm

re: #84 Belafon

Have you seen our Nazis? They are not German Nazis. Have you seen their leader?

I can find a whole lot of articles from the 20’s saying similar things about the Paperhanger.

And never forget that to these freaks the Shoah was a feature not a bug.

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 1, 2017 • 1:25:56pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 1, 2017 • 1:27:01pm

re: #85 FormerDirtDart

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Always thought Pete was a creep.

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wrenchwench  Sep 1, 2017 • 1:30:04pm

re: #81 William Lewis

If Gandhi had faced the Nazis rather than British? The British weren’t afraid to kill a few (Google Jallianwala Bagh massacre for example) but nonviolence could wear them down. Now imagine trying that against Heydrich…

Strategies need to be tailored for each circumstance. Non-violence today can’t work the way it did in the 60s (I’m sticking to the US for simplicity). The big thing then was the media coverage showing the whole country the horror of police brutality against people marching for their rights. Now everybody sees anything they want to live and in color in real time. Today there needs to be bigger numbers, and some with star power. Or some strategizing by somebody less preoccupied than I am.

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bratwurst  Sep 1, 2017 • 1:30:38pm
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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Sep 1, 2017 • 1:31:25pm

re: #71 FormerDirtDart

That would be me, Eric, except that I like to share the credit with the GI Bill, generous liberals who funded the rest of my scholarship, and Cornell University for working so hard at inclusiveness before there even was such a word, as well as with taxpayers who funded the police protection, public roads, and USGS surveys without which my work would have been impossible. So, fuck you.

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wrenchwench  Sep 1, 2017 • 1:31:38pm

re: #88 jaunte

Deadly with the chancla.

That’s a classic CLism. It goes back much farther, of course.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 1, 2017 • 1:32:27pm

re: #95 wrenchwench

That’s a classic CLism. It goes back much farther, of course.

Gabe!

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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2017 • 1:37:06pm

re: #86 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

The violent element of Antifa is nothing more than a few brain dead cos-players who share common costuming and slogans they picked up from the internet. We concede the RWNJ’s absurd propaganda claims if we allow ourselves to generalize these gangs to the whole movement. It would be easy for law enforcement to target them, since they go out of their way to self-identify, and throw them in jail to face real charges and hard time. It serves right-wing propaganda interests though to let them run wild and dominate video of any particular protest event. In their thoughtless pursuit of colorful video, the media play right along, despite the mortal threat the right wing presents to their livelihood and freedom.

Among the cosplayers will be a few violent marginals. Psychopaths find the action attractive, regardless of the political flavor.

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lawhawk  Sep 1, 2017 • 1:39:47pm

re: #12 FormerDirtDart

Putin just elected a new president of the US. Announcement forthcoming. ///////////

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JordanRules  Sep 1, 2017 • 1:40:39pm

re: #78 Decatur Deb

Okay, I had a long reply in progress and my tablet took a dump. D’oh!!! It was explaining how I see all of those elements you listed as essentially soft supporters and what it would look like for each one, if they weren’t.

Ahh well, like most comments it won’t be missed.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 1, 2017 • 1:41:16pm

we are celebrating What The Fuck Do You Mean There’s No Global Warming day here in the east bay w temps in the balmy mid 90s

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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2017 • 1:42:08pm

re: #99 JordanRules

Okay, I had a long reply in progress and my tablet took a dump. D’oh!!! It was explaining how I see all of those elements you listed as essentially soft supporters and what it would look like for each one, if they weren’t.

Ahh well, like most comments it won’t be missed.

It will come up again, bet on it.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Sep 1, 2017 • 1:43:13pm

re: #94 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

That would be me, Eric, except that I like to share the credit with the GI Bill, generous liberals who funded the rest of my scholarship, and Cornell University for working so hard at inclusiveness before there even was such a word, as well as with taxpayers who funded the police protection, public roads, and USGS surveys without which my work would have been impossible. So, fuck you.

Republican entrepreneurs and other grifters not only live off the fat of the land, they try to claim credit for creating that fat in the first place.

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lawhawk  Sep 1, 2017 • 1:44:11pm

re: #90 Ace-o-aces

And Trump thinks to himself, he’d be a great add to the admin as Undersecretary of HHS, CHIPS program.

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wrenchwench  Sep 1, 2017 • 1:44:52pm

I’m digging around for the Antifa sticker I got from Germany in the 90s. It had two cyclists with balloons and a banner. All I’m finding are rabbit holes and lots of dust. And if I found it, then I’d have to scan it and post it. Better to stop looking, maybe.

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Belafon  Sep 1, 2017 • 1:45:13pm

re: #89 William Lewis

I can find a whole lot of articles from the 20’s saying similar things about the Paperhanger.

And never forget that to these freaks the Shoah was a feature not a bug.

The big difference between the Germans and the British is what the populace was behind. The German people were complicit in the German’s treatment of the Jews. Rather than protesting what was happening, they went along with it because they were doing better than before the Nazis took power (or at least they thought they were). The British government lost the will of the British people. And that’s how the non-violence helped India.

There are two events that happened to the US that caused the US to go the way of the British and not the Germans. The first was violence in the South. Once it ended up on TV, most of the people didn’t want that being done in their name, even if they didn’t particularly care for blacks. The second was the Tet Offensive. We won the battle and lost the war because people were no longer willing to put up with the killing done in our name.

Of course we could lose the battle for public opinion. But the current bunch of misfits isn’t up to the task, and plenty of Americans are out countering them with larger groups, and elections are going our way. But the one thing that works against our side is the actions of the aggressive parts of Antifa.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 1, 2017 • 1:45:13pm

re: #81 William Lewis

If Gandhi had faced the Nazis rather than British? The British weren’t afraid to kill a few (Google Jallianwala Bagh massacre for example) but nonviolence could wear them down. Now imagine trying that against Heydrich…

a colleague of mine from india said something similar to me once: that gandhi was lucky he was facing civilized people like the british; the nazis would have just shot him

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JordanRules  Sep 1, 2017 • 1:45:38pm

re: #102 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Troof!!!
If they could claim credit for the sun they would.

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JordanRules  Sep 1, 2017 • 1:46:42pm

re: #106 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

We had a civil rights dude here who met that exact fate.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2017 • 1:46:52pm

re: #99 JordanRules

About soft supporters and punching Nazis:

There is never a time to punch a Nazi. Right now is the time to handle them with the ‘soft’ tools of civilization. Someday those tools might prove to be too soft. Then it will be time to kill Nazis. If we soft supporters fail, and that time comes, all the ‘hard’ supporters will find they don’t have enough 12 guage.

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sizzzzlerz  Sep 1, 2017 • 1:48:12pm

Orange words he will pour in your ear
But his lies are all that you hear
For a staff member knows when he’s praised them
It’s the praise of death from
Mister Orangefinger

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Cheechako  Sep 1, 2017 • 1:50:08pm

re: #56 FormerDirtDart

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Very thoughtful of GettyImages to send a fire truck.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 1, 2017 • 1:50:28pm

im relaxing in an establishment which uses a technology unfamiliar to us denizens of the naturally air conditioned CA coast, whereby the air is chilled by passing it thru a cache of republican’s hearts

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JordanRules  Sep 1, 2017 • 1:51:06pm

re: #109 Decatur Deb

Will the resistance folks not have enough hardware to repel the Nazis because the state will be on their side?

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jaunte  Sep 1, 2017 • 1:51:09pm

re: #111 Cheechako

Amazing how many services they provide.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2017 • 1:53:00pm

re: #113 JordanRules

Will the resistance folks not have enough hardware to repel the Nazis because the state will be on their side?

Yes. The RWNJs have a bit of a lead on us in the amateur league, but in the end the 82nd Airborne responds to the person who won the electoral college.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 1, 2017 • 1:55:29pm

re: #98 lawhawk

Putin just elected a new president of the US. Announcement forthcoming. ///////////

Someone beat you to it

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Stanley Sea  Sep 1, 2017 • 1:55:40pm

I’m re-upping this short story/essay (1 pg) from user botsplainer

Seriously, it is sticking in my mind. Which equals some great writing/story.

littlegreenfootballs.com

ICYMI

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Stanley Sea  Sep 1, 2017 • 1:56:32pm

re: #100 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

we are celebrating What The Fuck Do You Mean There’s No Global Warming day here in the east bay w temps in the balmy mid 90s

106 in the inland empire. Awful.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 1, 2017 • 1:57:25pm

Dept. Of Flying Pigs And I Do Mean Pigs

Republicans crank up pressure on Trump to not scrap DACA

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nines09  Sep 1, 2017 • 1:59:18pm
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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 1, 2017 • 2:00:35pm

re: #118 Stanley Sea

106 in the inland empire. Awful.

there could be some possibility that one could go swimming at sf city beach today without suffering frostbite altho im not sure i’d advise testing this proposition

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BeachDem  Sep 1, 2017 • 2:00:54pm

Making room for sheriff Clark, perhaps?

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bratwurst  Sep 1, 2017 • 2:00:57pm

Whoa, I missed this yesterday!

Glenn Beck’s TheBlaze Lays Off Dozens of Staffers

The host announced that 20 percent of his staff was dismissed on Thursday.

Who could have guessed that a business built around a certifiably crazy person would have problems?

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wrenchwench  Sep 1, 2017 • 2:00:58pm

Mr. w got out of the Navy in 1969 and joined the peace movement. He said things took off with the advent of Another Mother for Peace, or their British antecedent. Don’t let those big words fool you, I am useless without google these days.

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JordanRules  Sep 1, 2017 • 2:01:17pm

re: #115 Decatur Deb

Okay, just making sure. Glad we see that the same way. What that actually means to and for each of us is probably what accounts for most of our differing views and that makes perfect sense.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 1, 2017 • 2:01:36pm

re: #109 Decatur Deb

About soft supporters and punching Nazis:

There is never a time to punch a Nazi. Right now is the time to handle them with the ‘soft’ tools of civilization. Someday those tools might prove to be too soft. Then it will be time to kill Nazis. If we soft supporters fail, and that time comes, all the ‘hard’ supporters will find they don’t have enough 12 guage.

The thing about antifa is…the street fights don’t actually count as “wins” in the larger political climate, unless they’re framed that way.

Which they are not.

Reactionaries cloak their actions in societal tropes and protection of the status quo (“tradition,” “family”) which is an easier diversion. Depicting antifa—with their distinctive visual coding as Other—as disruptors of the status quo is an excellent misdirection, because there’s a crumb of truth.

It’s not fair, or right, but it works because most people are complacent. It takes effort for people to untangle the familiar concepts from their coded use by reactionaries and fascists. It takes imagination and nuance to appreciate that the antifa may look scary but are a native development of historical need to fight fascists, because fascists are lying about everything they claim to stand for.

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Belafon  Sep 1, 2017 • 2:01:50pm

re: #119 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

Dept. Of Flying Pigs And I Do Mean Pigs

Republicans crank up pressure on Trump to not scrap DACA

I hear tales of a body of people that could codify it so that the president couldn’t remove them. Maybe these “Republicans” could influence that body in some way.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2017 • 2:02:53pm

re: #125 JordanRules

Okay, just making sure. Glad we see that the same way. What that actually means to and for each of us is probably what accounts for most of our differing views and that makes perfect sense.

And don’t get me started on my klan-led local police.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 1, 2017 • 2:03:48pm
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JordanRules  Sep 1, 2017 • 2:05:14pm

re: #128 Decatur Deb

Right! I feel like the last couple weeks have been nuts with so many stories of folks in power who were ‘outed’ as white supremacists.
*shudder*

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Sep 1, 2017 • 2:05:59pm

re: #129 FormerDirtDart

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He got that from reading Two Corinthians aboard Air Force Twice.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 1, 2017 • 2:06:14pm

re: #121 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

there could be some possibility that one could go swimming at sf city beach today without suffering frostbite altho im not sure i’d advise testing this proposition

We had plans to go to Palm Springs this weekend. So cheap!! Upon further research we saw they are going to be 110.

Even with a poolside casita I’d probably die, so now we are stuck at home.

#SAD

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Stanley Sea  Sep 1, 2017 • 2:06:49pm

re: #122 BeachDem

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Making room for sheriff Clark, perhaps?

Keith knows everything.

Every damn thing.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2017 • 2:07:45pm

re: #130 JordanRules

Right! I feel like the last couple weeks have been nuts with so many stories of folks in power who were ‘outed’ as white supremacists.
*shudder*

It surfaced a year ago but (swear-to-god) our chief named his son ‘Nathan Bedford’.

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JordanRules  Sep 1, 2017 • 2:10:20pm

re: #134 Decatur Deb

Oh my! I just….oh my.

Do you think the name Adolf could resurface a bit more?

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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2017 • 2:11:35pm

re: #135 JordanRules

Oh my! I just….oh my.

Do you think the name Adolf could resurface a bit more?

Heh. I was born in ‘44. One of my agemates was named ‘Adolf’.

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William Lewis  Sep 1, 2017 • 2:14:34pm

Well what do you know?

Hey, Harry Potter fans? Today is “Nineteen Years Later…”

Yes, today at Kings Cross Station it is the day that Albus Potter got on the Hogwarts Express for the first time.

tor.com

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Nyet  Sep 1, 2017 • 2:15:02pm

re: #69 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

But honestly, I see nothing wrong with punching a fucking nazi.

1. The law.

2. Even if the above is not enough: lynch mobs are an inherently bad idea regardless.

3. If you have a right to punch a Nazi, then the Nazi has a right to punch you. Or anyone else.

4. The Onion is right, as usual: Antifa Organizers Announce Plans To Disrupt Neo-Nazi Rally Or Whatever Else Going On That Day

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Stanley Sea  Sep 1, 2017 • 2:19:20pm

This is so important - they are only some of the needy, but people without much who lose their cars are in dire straits.

I gave a little.

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451_Montag  Sep 1, 2017 • 2:19:21pm

re: #123 bratwurst

Whoa, I missed this yesterday!

Glenn Beck’s TheBlaze Lays Off Dozens of Staffers

Who could have guessed that a business built around a certifiably crazy person would have problems?

See America 2017

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Cheechako  Sep 1, 2017 • 2:22:14pm

A quick up-date on the wildfire situation.

As of last night there were 13 (out of 16) Type 1 Incident Command Teams and 27 (out of about 35) Type 2 Teams committed to wild-land fire suppression. There’s also about 3-4 Teams transitioning into and out of several fires.

There were 563 twenty person hand crews committed along with 1,629 fire engines and 180 helicopters.

Total personnel committed: 25,171

Remember, everyone of the personnel committed to wild-land fire suppression is a First Responder who would be a valuable asset for helping with the current and future hurricane disasters. Multiple Incident Management Teams were activated for Hurricane Katrina as they have the experience in dealing with natural disasters.

So far, three Teams. have been activated for Hurricane Harvey. A Texas Type 1 Team, a NYFD Type 1 Team, and a Type 2 team. There is going to be a need for many more Teams for hurricane duty in the immediate future.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 1, 2017 • 2:23:32pm
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Sep 1, 2017 • 2:23:37pm

re: #138 Nyet

Regarding point 1 - didn’t say there were not consequences.

Regarding point 2 - Lynch mobs are not good, I agree but nazis still deserve to be punched because they are nazis.

Regarding point 3 - I get that the eye for an eye thing is no good for anyone and not saying I would go out and start looking for nazis to punch but nazis and those at these rallies do believe they have a right to punch people.

Regarding point 4 - Yeah, Antifa is poorly organized and not exactly clear in their goals. I will say that

Like I said I may not go out looking for nazis to punch but they deserve it.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 1, 2017 • 2:24:03pm

re: #140 451_Montag

Current day, Glenn Beck is no longer peddling a strong enough formulation of crazy.

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jaunte  Sep 1, 2017 • 2:25:09pm

re: #139 Stanley Sea

Related:

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Nyet  Sep 1, 2017 • 2:25:12pm

re: #143 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Like I said I may not go out looking for nazis to punch but they deserve it.

So do many other people, including those on the left.

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whitebeach  Sep 1, 2017 • 2:26:01pm

re: #105 Belafon

There are two events that happened to the US that caused the US to go the way of the British and not the Germans. The first was violence in the South. Once it ended up on TV, most of the people didn’t want that being done in their name, even if they didn’t particularly care for blacks. The second was the Tet Offensive. We won the battle and lost the war because people were no longer willing to put up with the killing done in our name.

I think you’re wrong about the reaction to Tet. People had already had years to get pissed off about the killing done in their name, if that was their mindset. What Tet did was demonstrate that the US government had been lying all along about how beaten the VC were, almost gone if you listened to the spiel coming out of Washington and Saigon. Then came Tet. The victory for the other side was not on the battlefield, but in the fact that they could mount such a countrywide offensive at all.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2017 • 2:27:07pm

re: #146 Nyet

So do many other people, including those on the left.

If thou, O Lord should start punching those who deserve it, O Lord who shall stand it?

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Cheechako  Sep 1, 2017 • 2:27:23pm

re: #141 Cheechako

Forgot to add that, so far this year, 46,483 fires have burned 7,139,461 acres..

Edit: That’s over 11,000 square miles

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freetoken  Sep 1, 2017 • 2:33:05pm

We hit 101F here. Fortunately no fires yet, but perhaps we’re a bit early for them. This heat will dry out the growth pretty well, setting us up for the next 2 months of red flag warnings.

Looks like Lidia jumped over the Sea of Cortez, what’s left of it. Still we have a chance for some clouds starting tomorrow and that I hope will cool us off.

Some record highs scattered around the southland yesterday. Probably happen today too, once the report comes out. Yesterday Ramona hit 111F, tying the all time high for that town.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 1, 2017 • 2:33:14pm
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Amory Blaine  Sep 1, 2017 • 2:34:21pm

Sheriff Clarke is out. I wonder what psychopath Scott Walker is going to appoint.

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freetoken  Sep 1, 2017 • 2:34:26pm

It’s a dry heat.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 1, 2017 • 2:35:35pm

Came back for one more post …

Labor Lawyers Blast Trump for Nominating Ronald Reagan to the Labor Department Hall of Honor
huffingtonpost.com (full story at the link)

More than two hundred lawyers wrote the Labor Secretary, who will no doubt ignore it. The lawyers wanted to ensure their objection arrived before Labor Day.

The group of attorneys who’ve represented unions argued that the former president ― who famously crushed the air traffic controllers’ strike of 1981 ― deserved no place alongside such labor luminaries as Samuel Gompers, Frances Perkins, Walter Reuther and Mother Jones.

In their letter addressed to Labor Secretary Alexander Acosta, the signatories noted that the hall of fame’s mission is to honor those who have helped “elevate working conditions, wages, and over-all quality of life of America’s working families.”

“President Reagan’s tenure in office, and the legacy of that tenure, have done precisely the opposite,” they wrote. “To place him next to the brave men and women the department has honored in the past is the height of hypocrisy and an affront to this country’s working people.”

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lawhawk  Sep 1, 2017 • 2:35:39pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 1, 2017 • 2:38:24pm

A day of prayer: A brilliant plan no conservative ever thought of before. I’ll skip that and see what I can do in the real world rather than clasp my hands together.

Two Hands Working can do More Than a Thousand Clasped in Prayer - Madalyn Murray O’Hair.

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TedStriker  Sep 1, 2017 • 2:39:08pm

re: #134 Decatur Deb

It surfaced a year ago but (swear-to-god) our chief named his son ‘Nathan Bedford’.

Lemme guess…your police chief’s last name is Forrest?

Along those lines, it appears that the push to remove NBF’s bust from our (TN) state capitol building (that was placed there in the late 70s, as if there’s any doubt why it is there to begin with) has hit the wall, at least for now.

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Dragonomics  Sep 1, 2017 • 2:39:42pm

When Nazis congregate an organized anti-fascist movement is necessary. The sooner Nazis are beaten down the better. We don’t need to wait for the invasion of Poland. This road has been gone down.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 1, 2017 • 2:40:15pm

re: #153 freetoken

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lawhawk  Sep 1, 2017 • 2:40:35pm

re: #157 TedStriker

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wrenchwench  Sep 1, 2017 • 2:41:06pm
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451_Montag  Sep 1, 2017 • 2:42:53pm

re: #144 The Ghost of a Flea

Current day, Glenn Beck is no longer peddling a strong enough formulation of crazy.

Trump makes the job of both Glenn Beck and The Onion that much harder.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 1, 2017 • 2:43:59pm

Energy Department Office of Indian Energy head has resigned over anti-Semitic and racist Obama social media posts. The posts were made before he was appointed by Trump to lead the agency.

huffingtonpost.com

He went for the tried-and-true conservative defence when caught: My social media accounts were hacked.

One thing is for sure: Conservatives are consistent with trying that lie, no matter how many times it fails.

Earlier this week, CNN reported that Bradford appeared to own an online account that described former President Barack Obama as “the son of a fourth-rate p&*n actress and w@!re” on the internet commenting platform Disqus in 2016.

Bradford denied being linked to the account and told CNN that he was the victim of “cyber attacks and Internet crimes,” despite posts by the account encouraging other users to contact the user at Bradford’s email address and phone number.

(more at Huffington Post)

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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2017 • 2:46:03pm

re: #157 TedStriker

Lemme guess…your police chief’s last name is Forrest?

Along those lines, it appears that the push to remove NBF’s bust from our (TN) state capitol building (that was placed there in the late 70s, as if there’s any doubt why it is there to begin with) has hit the wall, at least for now.

No, his wife is a remote descendant. Can’t document it, but I’m pretty sure the Ft. Campbell officer’s club (Clarksville) had his large portrait over the fireplace in 1990 or so.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2017 • 2:47:30pm

re: #158 Dragonomics

When Nazis congregate an organized anti-fascist movement is necessary. The sooner Nazis are beaten down the better. We don’t need to wait for the invasion of Poland. This road has been gone down.

Right now the most effective anti-fascist movement in the country should be the Democratic Party.

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Scottish Dragon  Sep 1, 2017 • 2:48:50pm

re: #165 Decatur Deb

Right now the most effective anti-fascist movement in the country should be the Democratic Party.

Should be is the operative part here….

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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2017 • 2:49:30pm

re: #166 Scottish Dragon

Should be is the operative part here….

You go to campaign with the party you have…..

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Single-handed sailor  Sep 1, 2017 • 2:50:24pm

It is 110F outside, and probably still rising. Tomorrow is forecast to be 114F. There is a little hot spell in California happening. Cal ISO has called a Flex Alert due to high energy demands.

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William Lewis  Sep 1, 2017 • 2:53:14pm

re: #165 Decatur Deb

I keep working with and contributing to them but I am not hopeful. So I stand prepared for when, as I fear, they fail.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 1, 2017 • 2:53:21pm

re: #165 Decatur Deb

Right now the most effective anti-fascist movement in the country should be the Democratic Party.

Command of street fights doesn’t matter much when the fascists are seizing the administrative and legal resources of the entire nation.

This can be seen with German groups like the Red Front.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2017 • 2:54:10pm

re: #169 William Lewis

I keep working with and contributing to them but I am not hopeful. So I stand prepared for when, as I fear, they fail.

“You want a guarantee, buy a toaster.”

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wrenchwench  Sep 1, 2017 • 2:56:18pm

re: #170 The Ghost of a Flea

Command of street fights doesn’t matter much when the fascists are seizing the administrative and legal resources of the entire nation.

This can be seen with German groups like the Red Front.

I want to start a poster making brigade, called Red Font.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 1, 2017 • 2:57:31pm
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ipsos  Sep 1, 2017 • 2:58:05pm

re: #172 wrenchwench

I want to start a poster making brigade, called Red Font.

The school sent home a two-page PDF outlining pick-up and drop off rules for the year.

IN COMIC SANS.

I was tempted to call and tell them it was unreadable.

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Alephnaught  Sep 1, 2017 • 3:00:48pm

re: #109 Decatur Deb

About soft supporters and punching Nazis:

There is never a time to punch a Nazi. Right now is the time to handle them with the ‘soft’ tools of civilization. Someday those tools might prove to be too soft. Then it will be time to kill Nazis. If we soft supporters fail, and that time comes, all the ‘hard’ supporters will find they don’t have enough 12 guage.

I noticed Josh of TPM said something similar a couple of days ago.

I believe that if you look both historically and in practice, when you have widespread street brawling between “good” groups and “bad” groups it almost always ends up being a victory for the fascist groups. This is for a number of reasons. First is that these groups have historically used the presence of civil violence to justify “law and order” crackdowns which usually empower and propagate authoritarian politics. You can already see this, tendentiously, in those hideous NRA video hate screeds. Again, history tells us this and I think it’s close to intuitive: breakdowns of civil peace lead to authoritarian crackdowns, which almost always have a right-wing and often racist valence.

[…]

Pushing civil society from talk and voting to violence and paramilitaries is what the fascists are trying to accomplish - moving from the rule of law to the rule of force. By every historical standard and also by almost every philosophical one, this is a victory for, if not fascism, then certainly authoritarianism. The answer to Nazis and white supremacists isn’t flowery talk or left-wing paramilitaries. It’s a stronger rule of law and an empowered state behind it. We have our work cut out for us.

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whitebeach  Sep 1, 2017 • 3:00:55pm

re: #124 wrenchwench

Mr. w got out of the Navy in 1969 and joined the peace movement. He said things took off with the advent of Another Mother for Peace, or their British antecedent. Don’t let those big words fool you, I am useless without google these days.

I believe that the real turning point was Walter Cronkite’s commentary on CBS News the night of Feb. 27, 1968. He had just returned from a trip to Vietnam in the wake of the Tet offensive of Jan. of that year, and his editorial, which seems fairly tepid today, basically said that the people running the war had been too optimistic, and that the whole thing was headed for a stalemate. But this opinion was huge at the time. I don’t think that one newsperson before or since has had anything even close to the credibility and authority of Cronkite, and his words brought antiwar sentiment into the center of the mainstream.

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makeitstop  Sep 1, 2017 • 3:03:45pm

Seen on Facebook…

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wrenchwench  Sep 1, 2017 • 3:05:49pm

There’s some kind of holiday going on in the UK.

The US version:

Red Cat

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Alephnaught  Sep 1, 2017 • 3:05:53pm
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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2017 • 3:07:43pm

re: #175 Alephnaught

I noticed Josh of TPM said something similar a couple of days ago.

Very much agree. If we go down that road the consequences converge:
When right-wing goons completely drive lawful protestors from the street and from public life, the US is dead.
When left-wing goons completely drive lawful protestors from the street and from public life, the US is dead.

Anybody feel up to founding the Second Republic?

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William Lewis  Sep 1, 2017 • 3:07:48pm

re: #170 The Ghost of a Flea

Command of street fights doesn’t matter much when the fascists are seizing the administrative and legal resources of the entire nation.

This can be seen with German groups like the Red Front.

Parties don’t matter much when the fascist are able to hack the elections by various means - parliamentary maneuvers then, gerrymandering & electoral college now.

This can also be seen in the apathy of voters in previous off year elections.

Now to stop being smarmy about it, will the energy of the mass marches like Boston continue through to votes for Democratic candidates? As I’ve said before, our history on this stinks.

Realistically the only reason the US fought the Nazi’s the last time is because our Anti-Japanese racism was stronger than our Antisemitism AND Hitler declared war on the US in support of the the Japanese. Otherwise most Americans wouldn’t have cared when Robert Harris’ Fatherland came about. I’m not sure we’re any better now.

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wrenchwench  Sep 1, 2017 • 3:09:10pm

re: #176 whitebeach

I believe that the real turning point was Walter Cronkite’s commentary on CBS News the night of Feb. 27, 1968. He had just returned from a trip to Vietnam in the wake of the Tet offensive of Jan. of that year, and his editorial, which seems fairly tepid today, basically said that the people running the war had been too optimistic, and that the whole thing was headed for a stalemate. But this opinion was huge at the time. I don’t think that one newsperson before or since has had anything even close to the credibility and authority of Cronkite, and his words brought antiwar sentiment into the center of the mainstream.

There is a Walter Cronkite School of Journalism and Mass Communication, but is there any Walter Cronkite today?

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 1, 2017 • 3:10:12pm
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JordanRules  Sep 1, 2017 • 3:10:30pm

re: #180 Decatur Deb

I’m down! //Half-Pint

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Timothy Watson  Sep 1, 2017 • 3:11:33pm

re: #182 wrenchwench

There is a Walter Cronkite School of Journalism and Mass Communication, but is there any Walter Cronkite today?

Only ones that come cross are Farenthold and Eichenwald.

99% of “journalism” today seems to be rewriting press releases.

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sagehen  Sep 1, 2017 • 3:11:34pm

re: #105 Belafon

Of course we could lose the battle for public opinion. But the current bunch of misfits isn’t up to the task, and plenty of Americans are out countering them with larger groups, and elections are going our way. But the one thing that works against our side is the actions of the aggressive parts of Antifa.

What I worry about is a few dozen aggressive, violent antifa attacking the nazis might be a reason that thousands of the non-violent marchers we want to turn out might stay home because they’re worried about getting caught in between.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 1, 2017 • 3:11:42pm

Again, from Victoria, TX
Just got in, meeting adjuster in a while. We just came from the gorilla gourmets house where we took down boards, cleared brush and tried to help him out. He was our third house. Here is the point, he has kept his place open and has feed thousands for free without closing 24-7. They have made many food rescues to elderly and shut ins. For almost 6 days he has fed this community, and guess who helped at his house. No one. Now he has a family issue and needs to fly out. If you know them please see what you can do to help his family - he has earned the respect, and so has his family. As we left he was still trying to help folks. What a man and I am proud to have helped what little I did. I am having trouble even writing this. The reason for this story is I know how tired I am and I can only imagine what folks like him must feel. We must not forget to rescue the rescuers. Folks like him and emts, fire guys, cops a, you name it who have helped, they have done it from the goodness of their hearts. So if you know folks who have put on their Big boy pants and done it with their heart and not their mouths, give them a calla, run by their houses, as Victoria has started to recover they need our help whether they admit it on not. Like I have said repeatedly I am humbled to even know folks like this. We have a long way to go and we need them. So do something if you can. God bless them!

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nines09  Sep 1, 2017 • 3:11:53pm

Nahhhhhhhhh….

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whitebeach  Sep 1, 2017 • 3:13:30pm

re: #178 wrenchwench

There’s some kind of holiday going on in the UK.

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The US version:

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So in other words it’s the same old story as with mysteries: cozy vs. hard-boiled.

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William Lewis  Sep 1, 2017 • 3:13:57pm

re: #182 wrenchwench

There is a Walter Cronkite School of Journalism and Mass Communication, but is there any Walter Cronkite today?

Nope. Walter is why the reactionary right has spent the last 49 years trying to destroy journalism. They do not want anyone to have that kind of authority - even on their side. Hence the rise of Fox and it’s endless lies and endless claims that the MSM is leftist when the largest actual leftist media is probably one of the small producers of Public Radio content that don’t even rise above the line noise.

This is also why media like the NYT & everyone else is so busy kissing ass for access rather than daring to do journalism. I mean, good god, the most risky journalism in America right now is being done by Teen Vogue!

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 1, 2017 • 3:14:30pm

re: #138 Nyet

1. The law.

2. Even if the above is not enough: lynch mobs are an inherently bad idea regardless.

3. If you have a right to punch a Nazi, then the Nazi has a right to punch you. Or anyone else.

4. The Onion is right, as usual: Antifa Organizers Announce Plans To Disrupt Neo-Nazi Rally Or Whatever Else Going On That Day

i can’t dispute that logic, but as a jew i find a peculiar asymmetry in staying within the law and not committing assault so as to maintain the social fabric and constitutional rights of somebody who is, in a peaceable and law abiding fashion, advocating mercelessly murdering me and everybody like me so as to wipe us off the face of the earth

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calochortus  Sep 1, 2017 • 3:15:42pm

re: #118 Stanley Sea

106 in the inland empire. Awful.

It’s 102° in our little corner of the SF Peninsula. It’s an unusually strong version of the not uncommon late summer “compressional heating” event. High pressure delivers heat from Sacramento Valley (and in this case a boat load of smoke from fires) and it doesn’t cool off at night like it normally does.
I’ve said for the last 20 years that it was unnecessary to have had A/C put in at our house. I’m starting to change my opinion. We’ve used it several days this summer, which is unheard of for us. An exhaust fan in the evening is usually enough.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2017 • 3:16:14pm

re: #191 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i can’t dispute that logic, but as a jew i find a peculiar asymmetry in staying within the law and not committing assault so as to maintain the social fabric and constitutional rights of somebody who is, in a peaceable and law abiding fashion, advocating mercelessly murdering me and everybody like me so as to wipe us off the face of the earth

You know you’d make a poor Kahanist, so you ignore the stench and keep trying to scrub civilization clean.

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JordanRules  Sep 1, 2017 • 3:16:35pm

re: #186 sagehen

That hasn’t happened yet.

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whitebeach  Sep 1, 2017 • 3:17:20pm

re: #182 wrenchwench

There is a Walter Cronkite School of Journalism and Mass Communication, but is there any Walter Cronkite today?

No. And it wasn’t just that people trusted him, it’s that his viewership was huge. I think something like 40 percent (don’t hold me to that, but it’s close) of the TV sets that were on at the time were tuned to CBS News every night. With the cable fragmentation of viewing audiences, we’ll never come near that again.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 1, 2017 • 3:19:09pm

re: #193 Decatur Deb

You know you’d make a poor Kahanist, so you ignore the stench and keep trying to scrub civilization clean.

otoh, personally, i can’t help but feel that nazis should be punched

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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2017 • 3:21:14pm

re: #196 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

otoh, personally, i can’t help but feel that nazis should be punched

Improper or inadequate, as the times decree.

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JordanRules  Sep 1, 2017 • 3:25:21pm

re: #193 Decatur Deb

Ignore the stench and end up scrubbing your self away.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 1, 2017 • 3:26:33pm

...

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lawhawk  Sep 1, 2017 • 3:27:31pm

While Fox and the right wing salivates/ruminates over the draft letter Comey wrote about Clinton emails, the reality is that Trump had a far more important draft letter - the one he was going to use to fire Comey.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 1, 2017 • 3:27:55pm

re: #199 goddamnedfrank

Deleted. Hoax.

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lawhawk  Sep 1, 2017 • 3:28:28pm

re: #199 goddamnedfrank

Smells like fake news… and ayep… it is.

snopes.com

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Ace Rothstein  Sep 1, 2017 • 3:29:57pm

re: #200 lawhawk

And they even admit that the letter about Hillary “suggests” Comey had prepared his statement before interviewing anyone.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2017 • 3:30:29pm

re: #198 JordanRules

Ignore the stench and end up scrubbing your self away.

We know they’re there. Abandoning our civil process is a panic reaction. It might be that we will not recognize the day when it is too late for lawful means, but that is not now, and won’t be for the next two national elections. Artillerymen have a slogan:

“The more you sweat in peace, the less you bleed in war.”

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makeitstop  Sep 1, 2017 • 3:30:54pm

Interesting question - why is Stephen Miller still working at the White House?

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 1, 2017 • 3:32:27pm
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austin_blue  Sep 1, 2017 • 3:33:06pm

re: #176 whitebeach

I believe that the real turning point was Walter Cronkite’s commentary on CBS News the night of Feb. 27, 1968. He had just returned from a trip to Vietnam in the wake of the Tet offensive of Jan. of that year, and his editorial, which seems fairly tepid today, basically said that the people running the war had been too optimistic, and that the whole thing was headed for a stalemate. But this opinion was huge at the time. I don’t think that one newsperson before or since has had anything even close to the credibility and authority of Cronkite, and his words brought antiwar sentiment into the center of the mainstream.

I remember that. I also remember this:

Flickr

books.google.com.vn/books?id=pE8EAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA20&…

My dad had just left for Vietnam again. I was thirteen.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 1, 2017 • 3:34:52pm
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Timothy Watson  Sep 1, 2017 • 3:35:30pm

re: #208 Dave In Austin

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He hadn’t seen the Deep State yet, but he will now.

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lawhawk  Sep 1, 2017 • 3:36:26pm

Situation at Arkema plant outside Houston isn’t looking good. More explosions and release of toxic peroxides are likely.

Arkema successfully lobbied alongside other chemical companies to roll back Obama safety regs.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 1, 2017 • 3:37:14pm

re: #210 lawhawk

Situation at Arkema plant outside Houston isn’t looking good. More explosions and release of toxic peroxides are likely.

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Arkema successfully lobbied alongside other chemical companies to roll back Obama safety regs.

NO EXPLOSIONS! NO EXPLOSIONS! YOU’RE THE EXPLOSION!

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makeitstop  Sep 1, 2017 • 3:38:29pm

re: #211 Timothy Watson

NO EXPLOSIONS! NO EXPLOSIONS! YOU’RE THE EXPLOSION!

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It’s just an over-pressurization followed by a fire.
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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 1, 2017 • 3:40:52pm

re: #208 Dave In Austin

JUST IN: Trump to cut scheduled pay raises for federal workers

clearly, the amount of disgust federal workers already feel for him is inadequate

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lawhawk  Sep 1, 2017 • 3:44:17pm

re: #208 Dave In Austin

Fanfare for the Common Man.

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Jay C  Sep 1, 2017 • 3:44:30pm

re: #176 whitebeach

I believe that the real turning point was Walter Cronkite’s commentary on CBS News the night of Feb. 27, 1968. He had just returned from a trip to Vietnam in the wake of the Tet offensive of Jan. of that year, and his editorial, which seems fairly tepid today, basically said that the people running the war had been too optimistic, and that the whole thing was headed for a stalemate. But this opinion was huge at the time. I don’t think that one newsperson before or since has had anything even close to the credibility and authority of Cronkite, and his words brought antiwar sentiment into the center of the mainstream.

True this: most “mainstream media” (pretty much all there was at the time) had uncritically repeated the Administration’s (optimistic) line about Vietnam for several years: Walter Cronkite going on the air and - most unusually - questioning the stock “inevitable victory” narrative was most assuredly an important turning-point for public opinion.

But, some people never quite forgave him. I remember, about a dozen years or so ago, following a link to an online posting on some site of a WWII dispatch from a young Walter Cronkite, who had been embedded as a reporter with an infantry platoon making a glider-borne assault on occupied Holland in Sept., 1944. It was very well-written; and pretty harrowing stuff. Glider landings were extraordinarily hairy affairs: Cronkite - and the other soldiers on the team - were lucky not have all been killed in the (poorly-) controlled crash that was a Waco’s typical landing.

The piece had but a single comment attached to it, though: an angry screed by some guy lambasting Cronkite as a “commie apologist”, and blaming him for “losing” the Vietnam War pretty much all on his own. Oh well…

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JordanRules  Sep 1, 2017 • 3:44:47pm

re: #204 Decatur Deb

I am advocating for the exact opposite of abandoning a civil process (though I might quibble with how long it’s actually been effectively civil). I want there to be a civil process applied to everyone. No, I don’t give a damn if Richard Spencer is clocked and the dude who did it goes to jail. There is a small minority on the left doing shit and they may face consequences. That’s it. The resistance has been hella peaceful and the crowds are getting bigger. This media amplification is straight bullshit.

Now let’s get back to the folks in the streets that I consider terrorists. And let’s get back to your KKK sheriff. If I tell you they kill folks they hate and would have no problem killing me do you believe that? If so, do you understand how your acknowledgement of that and then refusal to see it as urgent is hurtful as hell?

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lawhawk  Sep 1, 2017 • 3:44:55pm

re: #212 makeitstop

It’s a vigorous chemical reaction unsupported by the current infrastructure.

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freetoken  Sep 1, 2017 • 3:45:11pm

re: #210 lawhawk

Peroxides are very reactive - that’s why they are made. Thus the real danger is in the uncontrolled chemical processes, i.e., explosions.

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freetoken  Sep 1, 2017 • 3:47:57pm

Your math dweeb video for today:

Gödel’s Incompleteness Theorem - Numberphile

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Kragar  Sep 1, 2017 • 3:48:43pm
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451_Montag  Sep 1, 2017 • 3:50:58pm

re: #196 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

otoh, personally, i can’t help but feel that nazis should be punched

I’m sort of the opinion that nobody should be punched, but if you really have to punch someone it should be a Nazi. At some point turning the other cheek, just means a bruise on that cheek as well.

At least in 2017 we’ve learned the modern Racist is both cowardly and vastly out numbered. The effort should be getting Trump gone,

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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2017 • 3:52:59pm

re: #216 JordanRules

We agree completely on par 1.

Par 2 hangs on you word ‘urgent’. Urgent is good. Effective is critical. When urgent action produces ineffective results we find ourselves on the way back to the 50s.

I want to know where all the urgent action was in the months before November, when it might have made a difference. Trump’s victory and that of his fascist crew was no mystery—the forces against him went lackadaisical and self-indulgent, doing the minimum thought necessary.

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ObserverArt  Sep 1, 2017 • 3:55:06pm

re: #210 lawhawk

Situation at Arkema plant outside Houston isn’t looking good. More explosions and release of toxic peroxides are likely.

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Arkema successfully lobbied alongside other chemical companies to roll back Obama safety regs.

Ari Melber showed recent video of the plant. Another major section must have lit up because it is pumping out a huge plume of dense black smoke.

The smoke has to be plastic chemical related because the only time you see smoke this black and thick is either plastic resins, rubber or maybe some heavy petrochemicals.

There didn’t appear to be any fire control of any kind on the scene. I think that says something if the fire department has let it go. That must be toxic as all get out. The report said authorities were on the way. As much as that appears to have been burning the authorities must be a long distance away…like no where near the scene.

I sure hope this isn’t as bad as it appears.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 1, 2017 • 3:56:24pm

re: #223 ObserverArt

Ari Melber showed recent video of the plant. Another major section must have lit up because it is pumping out a huge plume of dense black smoke.

The smoke has to be plastic chemical related because the only time you see smoke this black and thick is either plastic resins, rubber or maybe some heavy petrochemicals.

There didn’t appear to be any fire control of any kind on the scene. I think that says something if the fire department has let it go. That must be toxic as all get out. The report said authorities were on the way. As much as that appears to have been burning the authorities must be a long distance away…like no where near the scene.

I sure hope this isn’t as bad as it appears.

If the plant is related to peroxides, as people have been discussing, it’s probably plastics. Can’t keep peroxides around metals because they’re massive oxidizing agents and things will get all crumbly in a hurry.

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ObserverArt  Sep 1, 2017 • 3:57:19pm

re: #220 Kragar

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Yep, that is the scene Melber had up on his show. Notice no one around, they are just letting it go. Not good.

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lawhawk  Sep 1, 2017 • 3:57:34pm

re: #223 ObserverArt

The company tried to disperse the peroxides into individual tanks, but the safeties failed on those as well. What we’re probably seeing is the aftermath of BLEVEs. That’s reason enough to keep a good distance away.

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freetoken  Sep 1, 2017 • 3:58:17pm

re: #223 ObserverArt

Organic peroxides are used (among other things) as catalysts for resins. So you’re probably right about the smoke being from resin components.

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451_Montag  Sep 1, 2017 • 3:59:01pm

re: #220 Kragar

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But isn’t the point being we don’t have Scientific consensus on why these unregulated plants explode. All the data isn’t in, and some questions need to be asked. Plants exploded before regulations and after regulations so obviously regulations can’t be to blame, really more like a natural cycle. Plants explode just like the tides come in and go out and nobody can explain that, so blaming the lack of regulations is simply too ear!y to play politics with, especially with the effect of the economy and jobs and anyway other countries don’t have regulations so why do you have America.

Did I get it all?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 1, 2017 • 3:59:33pm

re: #228 451_Montag

But isn’t the point being we don’t have Scientific consensus on why these unregulated plants explode. All the data isn’t in, and some questions need to be asked. Plants exploded before regulations and after regulations so obviously regulations can’t be to blame, really more like a natural cycle. Plants explode just like the tides come in and go out and nobody can explain that, so blaming the lack of regulations is simply too ear!y to play politics with, especially with the effect of the economy and jobs and anyway other countries don’t have regulations so why do you have America.

Did I get it all?

Clarke and Dawe - The Front Fell Off

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 1, 2017 • 4:00:58pm

re: #223 ObserverArt

Ari Melber showed recent video of the plant. Another major section must have lit up because it is pumping out a huge plume of dense black smoke.

The smoke has to be plastic chemical related because the only time you see smoke this black and thick is either plastic resins, rubber or maybe some heavy petrochemicals.

There didn’t appear to be any fire control of any kind on the scene. I think that says something if the fire department has let it go. That must be toxic as all get out. The report said authorities were on the way. As much as that appears to have been burning the authorities must be a long distance away…like no where near the scene.

I sure hope this isn’t as bad as it appears.

I was watching CNN a bit ago and the reporter said, “I should note that Arkema is a FRENCH company.” Yeah bro, a French company operating under US and Texas rules.

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451_Montag  Sep 1, 2017 • 4:01:22pm

re: #228 451_Montag

But isn’t the point being we don’t have Scientific consensus on why these unregulated plants explode. All the data isn’t in, and some questions need to be asked. Plants exploded before regulations and after regulations so obviously regulations can’t be to blame, really more like a natural cycle. Plants explode just like the tides come in and go out and nobody can explain that, so blaming the lack of regulations is simply too ear!y to play politics with, especially with the effect of the economy and jobs and anyway other countries don’t have regulations so why do you have America.

Did I get it all?

Fuck I forgot the gheys, muslims, immigrants and takers. Really is exhausting being a nutjobs.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 1, 2017 • 4:01:32pm

re: #231 451_Montag

Fuck I forgot the gheys, muslims, immigrants and takers. Really is exhausting being a nutjobs.

But not the Irish!

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makeitstop  Sep 1, 2017 • 4:03:08pm

re: #223 ObserverArt

Ari Melber showed recent video of the plant. Another major section must have lit up because it is pumping out a huge plume of dense black smoke.

The smoke has to be plastic chemical related because the only time you see smoke this black and thick is either plastic resins, rubber or maybe some heavy petrochemicals.

There didn’t appear to be any fire control of any kind on the scene. I think that says something if the fire department has let it go. That must be toxic as all get out. The report said authorities were on the way. As much as that appears to have been burning the authorities must be a long distance away…like no where near the scene.

I sure hope this isn’t as bad as it appears.

I seem to remember hearing that they forced evacuation in a 1.5 mile radius.

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JordanRules  Sep 1, 2017 • 4:03:14pm

re: #222 Decatur Deb

Urgent was referring to the threat, not the response. If we agree on my Par 1 that the resistance is chiefly peaceful and growing then we need to keep pushing it forward effectively and not arguing around a flawed (bot empowered) narrative that allows folks to keep minimizing the urgency of the threat.

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Amory Blaine  Sep 1, 2017 • 4:06:52pm

re: #208 Dave In Austin

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Happy Labor Day!

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KGxvi  Sep 1, 2017 • 4:07:06pm

re: #229 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

The last year or so has so completely fucked up my world view that I don’t know if that’s a comedy sketch or real

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Stanley Sea  Sep 1, 2017 • 4:07:09pm

re: #151 goddamnedfrank

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I’m so behind, but that 2nd dog was YODA

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EPR-radar  Sep 1, 2017 • 4:07:23pm

re: #231 451_Montag

Fuck I forgot the gheys, muslims, immigrants and takers. Really is exhausting being a nutjobs.

You’re overthinking it. Being a RWNJ is perfectly simple. Believe as you please and emit word-stuff as needed to justify it.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 1, 2017 • 4:07:26pm
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EPR-radar  Sep 1, 2017 • 4:08:35pm

re: #239 goddamnedfrank

Smoky fireballs of toxic chemicals are “Texas air fresheners”.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 1, 2017 • 4:08:51pm

re: #236 KGxvi

The last year or so has so completely fucked up my world view that I don’t know if that’s a comedy sketch or real

Life imitates art. Unfortunately, that’s a two-edged sword, as when the President starts out-Onioning The Onion, or in this case.

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wrenchwench  Sep 1, 2017 • 4:08:56pm

1.) How we want to do it.

2.) How we can do it.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 1, 2017 • 4:09:05pm

re: #240 EPR-radar

Smoky fireballs of toxic chemicals are “Texas air fresheners”.

So let it be written, so let it be done.

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KGxvi  Sep 1, 2017 • 4:09:38pm

re: #238 EPR-radar

You’re overthinking it. Being a RWNJ is perfectly simple. Believe as you please and emit word-stuff as needed to justify it.

Nah, it’s still “what will piss off a liberal today?”

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ObserverArt  Sep 1, 2017 • 4:09:55pm

re: #233 makeitstop

I seem to remember hearing that they forced evacuation in a 1.5 mile radius.

Yeah. For people in the area. But, a lot of times, fire departments will be on the scene in hazard equipment trying to knock down the fire or spray foam on it.

Even the firefighters are 1.5 miles back…or further.

Gots to go…time to warm up the amps for the Friday night jam.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2017 • 4:10:58pm

re: #234 JordanRules

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Don’t share this.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 1, 2017 • 4:11:27pm

re: #239 goddamnedfrank

Flame height now looks like 125 feet or so.

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JordanRules  Sep 1, 2017 • 4:11:55pm

re: #246 Decatur Deb

Hurry close tag!

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 1, 2017 • 4:12:53pm

re: #247 goddamnedfrank

Telephone pole 40 yards away is catching fire from the radiant heat.

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EPR-radar  Sep 1, 2017 • 4:13:52pm

re: #249 goddamnedfrank

Telephone pole 40 yards away is catching fire from the radiant heat.

The blessings of feral capitalism strike again.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 1, 2017 • 4:13:52pm

re: #176 whitebeach

I believe that the real turning point was Walter Cronkite’s commentary on CBS News the night of Feb. 27, 1968. He had just returned from a trip to Vietnam in the wake of the Tet offensive of Jan. of that year, and his editorial, which seems fairly tepid today, basically said that the people running the war had been too optimistic, and that the whole thing was headed for a stalemate. But this opinion was huge at the time. I don’t think that one newsperson before or since has had anything even close to the credibility and authority of Cronkite, and his words brought antiwar sentiment into the center of the mainstream.

Cannot wait for Ken Burns’ Vietnam.

Cannot wait for the commentary.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 1, 2017 • 4:15:17pm

re: #178 wrenchwench

There’s some kind of holiday going on in the UK.

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The US version:

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Did you see the bat I posted yesterday? Im so far behind, prob missed you.

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wrenchwench  Sep 1, 2017 • 4:16:53pm

re: #252 Stanley Sea

Did you see the bat I posted yesterday? Im so far behind, prob missed you.

I saw it this morning. Thanks for thinking of me when you see an old bat!

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KGxvi  Sep 1, 2017 • 4:17:00pm

CNN saying Irma may be a category 4 by Monday as it heads towards Puerto Rico and the rest of the Caribbean

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 1, 2017 • 4:17:43pm

re: #254 KGxvi

CNN saying Irma may be a category 4 by Monday as it heads towards Puerto Rico and the rest of the Caribbean

It’s OK, because Al Gore is fat.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 1, 2017 • 4:18:33pm

re: #253 wrenchwench

I saw it this morning. Thanks for thinking of me when you see an old bat!

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BlueGrl21  Sep 1, 2017 • 4:18:44pm

So, the term being used in Houston for people flooded by Harvey is now “Floodies.”

We are now partnering “Floodies” with “Floody Buddies” who can help clean out houses, give them food and laundry services, a place to sleep, etc. It’s going on everywhere.

Floodies.

I got nuthin’.

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wrenchwench  Sep 1, 2017 • 4:18:48pm

A customer kicked a valve cap that I had thrown at the swallow and as it [the valve cap] rolled across the floor, I thought it was a spider. Serves me right. Throw three, pick up two is not right. (I never hit the bird.)

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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2017 • 4:19:23pm

re: #243 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

So let it be written, so let it be done.

Yul never work in this town again,.

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 1, 2017 • 4:19:57pm

I had never heard of this company until today. But seriously, I can’t believe this was a thing.

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calochortus  Sep 1, 2017 • 4:20:45pm

re: #260 Ace-o-aces

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I had never heard of this company until today. But seriously, I can’t believe this was a thing.

I think the problem was that it turned out not to be a thing.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 1, 2017 • 4:20:51pm

re: #260 Ace-o-aces

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I had never heard of this company until today. But seriously, I can’t believe this was a thing.

I had, and no one could believe it was a thing.

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nines09  Sep 1, 2017 • 4:20:57pm

re: #258 wrenchwench

Wolf……………………..spider?

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wrenchwench  Sep 1, 2017 • 4:21:03pm

re: #257 BlueGrl21

So, the term being used in Houston for people flooded by Harvey is now “Floodies.”

We are now partnering “Floodies” with “Floody Buddies” who can help clean out houses, give them food and laundry services, a place to sleep, etc. It’s going on everywhere.

Floodies.

I got nuthin’.

We used to call the too-short pants ‘high waters’.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 1, 2017 • 4:21:27pm

CNN tested the Harvey floodwater and the results are fucking horrifying.

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wrenchwench  Sep 1, 2017 • 4:22:19pm

re: #263 nines09

Wolf……………………..spider?

That’s what it looked like, but the local wolf spiders are brown. So it had to be a black widow.

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Targetpractice  Sep 1, 2017 • 4:22:56pm

re: #265 goddamnedfrank

CNN tested the Harvey floodwater and the results are fucking horrifying.

Is it people?

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gocart mozart  Sep 1, 2017 • 4:23:53pm
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nines09  Sep 1, 2017 • 4:24:14pm

re: #266 wrenchwench

Who cares? Nuke ‘em. Throw things? throw things? You must step up and step on them…..Or they come back at night…..and remember who you were….and what you did…..and….

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Sep 1, 2017 • 4:24:15pm

so, it was 83 at my work today, I get home and it’s 104 FML.

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 1, 2017 • 4:24:52pm

re: #261 calochortus

I think the problem was that it turned out not to be a thing.

Well, at least we know no one will try something this stupid again.

P.T. Barnum was a prophet.

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KGxvi  Sep 1, 2017 • 4:26:40pm

re: #267 Targetpractice

Is it people?

Nope, just poop, mostly

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calochortus  Sep 1, 2017 • 4:28:03pm

re: #271 Ace-o-aces

Well, at least we know no one will try something this stupid again.

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P.T. Barnum was a prophet.

Umm, no. As in yes, Mr. Barnum was a prophet, but no on the salad food poisoning dispenser.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Sep 1, 2017 • 4:29:00pm

re: #72 wrenchwench

They have to be ID’d beyond a shadow of a doubt before punching. I find non-violence to be a more effective method. It may take longer, but sometimes it is worth it.

They usually aren’t hard to ID, they tend to be very into their cosplay. I’m not a very violent person, I am actually for non-violence, but when it comes to Nazis, white supremacists and the rest I tend to be more flexible.

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Targetpractice  Sep 1, 2017 • 4:29:25pm

re: #271 Ace-o-aces

Well, at least we know no one will try something this stupid again.

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P.T. Barnum was a prophet.

Apparently the lesson is “If you make a robot that can do an ordinary, everyday thing, Silicon Valley tycoons will throw money at you.”

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Amory Blaine  Sep 1, 2017 • 4:30:04pm

Floodite sounds catchier.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Sep 1, 2017 • 4:31:36pm

re: #75 ObserverArt

I don’t think many are against the IDEA of Antifa.

What we are worried about is them and their actions being painted as speaking for all Democrats, liberals, progressives and the like.

The bad actions of a few being blown up as everyone on the left is an anarchist is the kind of BS that got us Trump.

I don’t disagree. I think they are a bit too overt and actively seek out violence and confrontation. Not all, but plenty do. And when it comes to the right they will demonize and villify anything as being emblematic of the left so it is gonna happen one way or the other. They already have their marching orders as evidenced by some of the people in my facebook feed. In Charlottesville the violence appears to have been mostly one sided. THere were even people crediting antifa with defending them from the nazis. That is something I can get behind. San Francisco is another story.

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Amory Blaine  Sep 1, 2017 • 4:32:14pm

re: #271 Ace-o-aces

Well, at least we know no one will try something this stupid again.

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P.T. Barnum was a prophet.

Related

Squeeze Out a Bag for Juicero, Which Is Dead Now

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Sep 1, 2017 • 4:32:35pm

re: #77 Belafon

They problems are:
1. The masks that some of them wear.
2. The aggressiveness.

Why isn’t marching enough? And I am not against defending yourself, and making sure the other person is wary of trying to attack someone again. But they seem to be trying to start fights, and, more importantly, making themselves the center of attention. We should be talking about violent Nazis.

I have the same issues. I think the masks are ridiculous and the aggressiveness is way out of control. Just not philisophically against punching nazis.

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Unshaken Defiance  Sep 1, 2017 • 4:32:41pm

106 f raining and thunder. Ugly humid and hazardous

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wrenchwench  Sep 1, 2017 • 4:33:27pm

re: #269 nines09

Who cares? Nuke ‘em. Throw things? throw things? You must step up and step on them…..Or they come back at night…..and remember who you were….and what you did…..and….

Hey, that’s the birdies you are talking about. Or I missed something, as usual.

I just took a peak at the four nestlings. One was standing on the rim, flapping his or her wings like crazy. Then took a dump.

READY TO FLY!

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EPR-radar  Sep 1, 2017 • 4:34:44pm

re: #264 wrenchwench

We used to call the too-short pants ‘high waters’.

‘floods’ was the slang for that when/where I grew up.

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wrenchwench  Sep 1, 2017 • 4:38:13pm

re: #274 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

They usually aren’t hard to ID, they tend to be very into their cosplay. I’m not a very violent person, I am actually for non-violence, but when it comes to Nazis, white supremacists and the rest I tend to be more flexible.

Cosplay doesn’t do it, IMHO. You need to know it’s not a stupid kid put out front by his crazy uncle to take the hits. People can change. We need to allow for that, but not wait expectantly.

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wrenchwench  Sep 1, 2017 • 4:39:00pm

re: #282 EPR-radar

‘floods’ was the slang for that when/where I grew up.

That was the other one where I was, too.

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jeffreyw  Sep 1, 2017 • 4:43:53pm

re: #276 Amory Blaine

Floodite sounds catchier.

That’s what they call the minerals that formed in the deeps of the sea in the time of Noah.

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Single-handed sailor  Sep 1, 2017 • 4:46:02pm

re: #280 Unshaken Defiance

106 f raining and thunder. Ugly humid and hazardous

113F and smokey out. Just kidding, it’s really only 112.9.

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lawhawk  Sep 1, 2017 • 4:53:59pm
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ICH LIEBE DICH!!!  Sep 1, 2017 • 4:53:59pm

Re: Antifa, I’m going to throw my thoughts out for whatever they’re worth.

IMO, we’ve already lost the rule of law. When armed right-wingers can occupy public buildings and hold them through threats of military-style violence and then walk scot free, we’ve already lost the rule of law. When our elected officials turn a completely blind eye to the corruption and criminality of the President of our country because of pure partisanship, we’ve already lost the rule of law. When the President verbally attacks the courts because of a judge’s supposed ancestry, we’ve already lost the rule of law. When that same President openly insults the legal process and the role of the court by pardoning a man who brazenly flaunted his own disregard for the court’s orders, we’ve already lost the rule of law.

However, I’m of very mixed feelings about the Antifa crowd because, to this point they haven’t been able to espouse any particular ideology; I’m not even sure they know what they’re fighting for other than for the sake of fighting. I wish they would clearly and publicly state their goals and work towards achieving them instead of simply causing chaos.

That said, when they’re pointed in the right direction (i.e. aimed squarely at the nazis and white supremacists), I support them.

I know I tend to be more militant than many lizards when it comes to what the response to right wing violence should be.

Violence is not my first tool of choice as a response but it is a tool available and one that can’t be dismissed out-of-hand as unthinkable, especially when we are faced with squads of right wingers carrying rifles and military-style body armor who have made very clear what they think about liberals and what sort of fate should befall them. They are honest and open about their willingness to back up their beliefs with force.

Violence can’t and shouldn’t be our first option of response but I believe it is a potentially grave mistake for the left to dismiss it as an option completely.

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calochortus  Sep 1, 2017 • 4:57:11pm

re: #286 Single-handed sailor

113F and smokey out. Just kidding, it’s really only 112.9.

It’s that 0.1° that makes all the difference.

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wrenchwench  Sep 1, 2017 • 5:00:17pm

re: #288 ICH LIEBE DICH!!!

IMO, where you say, ‘we’ve already lost the rule of law’, I say it is damaged. It has always been damaged, functioning better sometimes, worse at others. The courts are where we fight next, and they won’t function without law enforcement, damaged as it is.

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calochortus  Sep 1, 2017 • 5:01:10pm

In other news we have a rat frequenting our back yard which is very good at avoiding traps. It seems partial to tomatoes and basil. Should we try baiting a trap with mozzarella?

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wrenchwench  Sep 1, 2017 • 5:02:35pm

I gotta go.

Stanley, it was a young, good-looking bat. Thanks again.

Later, lizards.

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scottslemmons  Sep 1, 2017 • 5:03:08pm

Thread.

Just because I’m tired of people forgetting who their real enemies are.

On a related note:

Too many people think the third that stands and watches are the good guys. They are not the good guys.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2017 • 5:05:38pm

re: #291 calochortus

In other news we have a rat frequenting our back yard which is very good at avoiding traps. It seems partial to tomatoes and basil. Should we try baiting a trap with mozzarella?

That sounds a little capricious.

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calochortus  Sep 1, 2017 • 5:07:11pm

re: #294 Decatur Deb

That sounds a little capricious.

Ha Ha.

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BeachDem  Sep 1, 2017 • 5:09:07pm

re: #293 scottslemmons

Thread.

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Too many people think the third that stands and watches are the good guys. They are not the good guys.

On that note,

Are the antifa terrorists?
rawstory.com

Actually, the comments on that story are more enlightening than the story itself, which actually quotes Tucker Carlson and Joe Walsh.

I was particularly taken with this one:

Remember.
The very first thing Fascists do is create a boogy man and fill it with Great Power.

For example: Where are the FBI arrests of the shadowy ‘AnftiFa’? The intel? There are claims of violence started by antifa from the Alt Right, but where is the video footage? In this day and age of ubiquitous cell phone cameras? Even a dumbfuck Nazi can touch an icon and record his proof!
And yet, nada.

The media is whipping up Antifa hysteria, for the same reason the covered the shitgibbon so gleefully; Texas Cage Matches aren’t any fun unless there are two in the cage and lots of blood.
Can anyone name one church that antifa has burned down due to support of white supremacy? Deity knows there are tons of so call Xtian churches that wallow in it.
Nothing.
What about assassination(s)?
Zero.
Federal building bombings?
Listen to wind over the empty prairie.
Armed takeovers of federal structures?
Zip.
Lynchings of Klansmen?
Nary a one.
They haven’t even availed themselves of their 2nd Amendment rights and started shooting up a Nazi Bund meeting!

FBI and DHS say terrorist? I ask “Where’s The Beef?!” The Klan and the Nazis have bodies and blood in the legal record galore. Antifa? Wow. Public Nuisance. Simple assault. Jaywalking. Destruction of private property. Talk about a false equivalency….

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lawhawk  Sep 1, 2017 • 5:12:25pm

The man is absolutely clueless and fact-challenged. Addled even.

You can’t claim you’re going to Texas, but spending the weekend working at the WH.

Those are incompatible concepts. One requires being away from the WH, the other means not going to Texas. He wants it both ways, and the media wont call him out for any of this.

They’re too busy trying to parse whether Kelly is buddies with Trump (he isn’t).

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lawhawk  Sep 1, 2017 • 5:12:47pm
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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2017 • 5:15:42pm

re: #296 BeachDem

On that note,

Are the antifa terrorists?
rawstory.com

Actually, the comments on that story are more enlightening than the story itself, which actually quotes Tucker Carlson and Joe Walsh.

I was particularly taken with this one:

Comment seems to say they won’t become terrorists until they become consequential. (If they don’t charge dues, how will we know which ones are FBI?)

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nines09  Sep 1, 2017 • 5:17:03pm

re: #281 wrenchwench

A customer kicked a valve cap that I had thrown at the swallow and as it [the valve cap] rolled across the floor, I thought it was a spider. Serves me right. Throw three, pick up two is not right. (I never hit the bird.)

I was driving by and misread that. You are correct. My bad.
Yes. Little birdies flapping wings and pooping is sure sign of you finding them hopping around on the ground later….

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nines09  Sep 1, 2017 • 5:21:05pm
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Belafon  Sep 1, 2017 • 5:21:53pm

re: #293 scottslemmons

Thread.

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Too many people think the third that stands and watches are the good guys. They are not the good guys.

And this is part of the problem with them and why I think they’re just trying to be a nuisance: there not consequential enough to scare Nazis (it was the crowd sizes that intimidated them) but the conversations are becoming about them.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 1, 2017 • 5:25:29pm

re: #227 freetoken

Organic peroxides are used (among other things) as catalysts for resins. So you’re probably right about the smoke being from resin components.

I used to have a resin chamber in my pipe back in the day (late 70s). You put a bud in there and smoked until your bag was done and the theory was that the bud would have added elements of THC or something. I’m writing this because that’s what smoking dope did to my brain as a teenager. I have nothing to contribute to discussions of organic chemistry or….anything, really.

Oh, and, ////

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 1, 2017 • 5:31:33pm
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Targetpractice  Sep 1, 2017 • 5:31:50pm

re: #298 lawhawk

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I guess we should note that the leaks continue, which would seem to indicate that the WH’s efforts continue to bear no fruit on that front.

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ICH LIEBE DICH!!!  Sep 1, 2017 • 5:34:45pm

re: #290 wrenchwench

IMO, where you say, ‘we’ve already lost the rule of law’, I say it is damaged. It has always been damaged, functioning better sometimes, worse at others. The courts are where we fight next, and they won’t function without law enforcement, damaged as it is.

I really hope you’re right and the system is damaged but repairable. I just don’t know that I have the same faith in it that you do; I’m a pessimist (and therefore LOTS of fun at parties).

Twice this week we’ve had legislators basically call for lynching people. Cops walk away from shooting African-Americans without cause even when the event is captured on film (but get fired for talking about it, go figure).

Every level of the system is misfiring. And I fear that that’s going to continue as long as one party, through both action and inaction, condones and encourages it.

I know the answer to that is to vote them out of office but they are working diligently through voter suppression and gerrymandering to make that nigh on impossible.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 1, 2017 • 5:34:51pm

re: #176 whitebeach

I believe that the real turning point was Walter Cronkite’s commentary on CBS News the night of Feb. 27, 1968. He had just returned from a trip to Vietnam in the wake of the Tet offensive of Jan. of that year, and his editorial, which seems fairly tepid today, basically said that the people running the war had been too optimistic, and that the whole thing was headed for a stalemate. But this opinion was huge at the time. I don’t think that one newsperson before or since has had anything even close to the credibility and authority of Cronkite, and his words brought antiwar sentiment into the center of the mainstream.

I remember as a kid watching the 10 o’cock news on WNEW-5 out of NYC. At the end of the news reports, they would scroll a list of all the locals killed in action in Vietnam. No commentary, no background music. Just a list of dead soldiers. It made an impression on me and my parents, and probably many other viewers.

I doubt it happened for the subsequent wars. After Vietnam, the military decided that too much press coverage of wars was detrimental to the mission, so no more broadcasts of flag-draped caskets coming home, no free-range reporters capturing embarrassing actions by our soldiers, no nightly tallies of the dead and MIA.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 1, 2017 • 5:35:03pm
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BeachDem  Sep 1, 2017 • 5:35:43pm

re: #297 lawhawk

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The only thing worse than a Maggie or Glenn palace intrigue article is a Maggie AND Glenn palace intrigue article—that one starts out:

President Trump was in an especially ornery mood after staff members gently suggested he refrain from injecting politics into day-to-day issues of governing after last month’s raucous rally in Arizona, and he responded by lashing out at the most senior aide in his presence.

He was “ORNERY,” folks. But he and Kelly have “good chemistry.”

Barforama.

mobile.nytimes.com

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nines09  Sep 1, 2017 • 5:36:20pm

re: #308 FormerDirtDart

Appears to be a farewell cookout. Completely normal.

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calochortus  Sep 1, 2017 • 5:36:34pm

re: #307 wheat-dogg

I remember as a kid watching the 10 o’cock news on WNEW-5 out of NYC. At the end of the news reports, they would scroll a list of all the locals killed in action in Vietnam. No commentary, no background music. Just a list of dead soldiers. It made an impression on me and my parents, and probably many other viewers.

I doubt it happened for the subsequent wars. After Vietnam, the military decided that too much press coverage of wars was detrimental to the mission, so no more broadcasts of flag-draped caskets coming home, no free-range reporters capturing embarrassing actions by our soldiers, no nightly tallies of the dead and MIA.

PBS NewsHour has been doing that for several years, although there are few military deaths to report these days. Every so often one still shows up.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 1, 2017 • 5:37:40pm

re: #311 calochortus

PBS NewsHour has been doing that for several years, although there are few military deaths to report these days. Every so often one still shows up.

But Republicans don’t watch PBS News Hour.
/-half

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Single-handed sailor  Sep 1, 2017 • 5:38:01pm

San Francisco sets record temperature.

The National Weather Service announced that Downtown San Francisco reached an all-time high on Friday, as a dangerous heat wave shatters temperature records throughout the region.

The weather service announced Friday that San Francisco broke the previous record of 103 degrees set in 2000 at 2:43 p.m. Weather records for San Francisco date back to June of 1874.

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calochortus  Sep 1, 2017 • 5:38:04pm

re: #312 wheat-dogg

But Republicans don’t watch PBS News Hour.
/-half

True, but the rest of do.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 1, 2017 • 5:40:51pm
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Belafon  Sep 1, 2017 • 5:40:54pm

re: #313 Single-handed sailor

They’re having DFW weather. I think we’ve hit 100 this year but I’m not entirely sure.

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calochortus  Sep 1, 2017 • 5:40:57pm

Time to go reheat leftovers for dinner. Too hot to cook.

People in the neighborhood are starting to offer their extra air conditioned bedrooms to people without A/C. We’ve already got neighbors coming over and they’ll probably stay the night here. We just aren’t used to it not cooling off at night, and the smoke is bad for people with respiratory issues so they can’t open windows anyway.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 1, 2017 • 5:41:07pm

re: #297 lawhawk

ARGH! WTF is wrong with these NYT journalists? Seriously, do these people want to help Donald Trump destroy the country? This is making me nuts.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 1, 2017 • 5:42:04pm

re: #297 lawhawk

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“Adjusting like any arranged marriage???!!!!” JFC.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 1, 2017 • 5:42:18pm

I need a drink.

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BeachDem  Sep 1, 2017 • 5:42:52pm

re: #318 Charles Johnson

ARGH! WTF is wrong with these NYT journalists? Seriously, do these people want to help Donald Trump destroy the country? This is making me nuts.

Well, Maggie, who seems deeply immersed in palace intrigue and the yam’s psyche, now finds his tweets “suprising.” Sigh.

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Targetpractice  Sep 1, 2017 • 5:43:45pm

re: #318 Charles Johnson

ARGH! WTF is wrong with these NYT journalists? Seriously, do these people want to help Donald Trump destroy the country? This is making me nuts.

As Charles Pierce noted last week, the media is doing what they’ve done for decades now: Try to protect America from another “failed presidency.” It’s why they backed off pursuing Iran-Contra too heavily, why they sat on stories that could have cost Dubya reelection, and now are trying to present Trump’s presidency as “business as usual.”

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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2017 • 5:43:57pm

re: #320 Charles Johnson

I need a drink.

FNDT

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PhillyPretzel  Sep 1, 2017 • 5:47:21pm

re: #323 Decatur Deb

::: speaking to the barkeep ::: pass me a seltzer.
With my allergy meds I cannot drink alcohol. :(

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lawhawk  Sep 1, 2017 • 5:47:50pm

re: #320 Charles Johnson

I need a drink.

I’m on my second Kirkland organic lemonade w/ginger (and gin). It’s been that kind of week.

Thrush and Maggie piss me off to no end. All that palace intrigue bullshit that always turns out to barely last a news cycle before being proven wrong - they remind me of the MoDo bullshit from years gone by.

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lawhawk  Sep 1, 2017 • 5:48:24pm

re: #323 Decatur Deb

Seconded (and thirded).

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 1, 2017 • 5:50:54pm

Your Honor, totally he is guilty and in no way can I let him slide out of anything because…” Juror No. 59 stated prior to being asked if that was their attitude before Shkreli had been proven guilty. “It’s my attitude toward his entire demeanor, what he has done to people… and he disrespected the Wu-Tang Clan.”

Juror No. 59 was not the only one name-dropping the veteran hip-hop group in his reason for not being impartial, as No. 144 also kept things brutally honest as well.

“I heard through the news of how the defendant changed the price of a pill by up-selling it,” the juror explains. “I heard he bought an album from the Wu-Tang Clan for a million dollars. I don’t think I can because he kind of looks like a dick.”

Both jurors ended up being dismissed from the case due to their inability to be impartial.

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Belafon  Sep 1, 2017 • 5:51:18pm

re: #306 ICH LIEBE DICH!!!

I really hope you’re right and the system is damaged but repairable. I just don’t know that I have the same faith in it that you do; I’m a pessimist (and therefore LOTS of fun at parties).

Twice this week we’ve had legislators basically call for lynching people. Cops walk away from shooting African-Americans without cause even when the event is captured on film (but get fired for talking about it, go figure).

Every level of the system is misfiring. And I fear that that’s going to continue as long as one party, through both action and inaction, condones and encourages it.

I know the answer to that is to vote them out of office but they are working diligently through voter suppression and gerrymandering to make that nigh on impossible.

I don’t do pessimism for the simple fact that it’s very defeatist. My optimism allows for setbacks because no path is straight.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2017 • 5:51:38pm

re: #324 PhillyPretzel

::: speaking to the barkeep ::: pass me a seltzer.
With my allergy meds I cannot drink alcohol. :(

You’re designated driver, then.

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Unshaken Defiance  Sep 1, 2017 • 5:53:17pm

re: #290 wrenchwench

IMO, where you say, ‘we’ve already lost the rule of law’, I say it is damaged. It has always been damaged, functioning better sometimes, worse at others. The courts are where we fight next, and they won’t function without law enforcement, damaged as it is.

Bravo!
Violence? Other than defensive acts it’s still out of the question. Said it before. if you go to a protest armored and armed and anonymous, you are not there for legitimate protest. Maybe you don’t even get two of the three.

Too Soon. No disrespect Whack-a-Mole. It’s just that when I look at a guy learning to shoot because he is worried exactly as you are we had that conversation. Conversations. I had to think long and hard because it is getting very real. We can’t get ahead of ourselves. To our pain, defending ourselves even as a society means we take a hit or two before we act. Just like as individuals. Threatened is not attacked.

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Ace Rothstein  Sep 1, 2017 • 5:53:48pm

re: #325 lawhawk

Is Dowd still a thing?

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PhillyPretzel  Sep 1, 2017 • 5:54:14pm

re: #329 Decatur Deb

rofl. I have not driven in 10 years. I do have my transpass.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 1, 2017 • 5:54:35pm

re: #322 Targetpractice

As Charles Pierce noted last week, the media is doing what they’ve done for decades now: Try to protect America from another “failed presidency.” It’s why they backed off pursuing Iran-Contra too heavily, why they sat on stories that could have cost Dubya reelection, and now are trying to present Trump’s presidency as “business as usual.”

I agree with that assessment.

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William Lewis  Sep 1, 2017 • 5:54:52pm

I think tomorrow will be a good day to spend some time at the range & then, perhaps, some Guinness and Famous Grouse. Perhaps that will help me shake today’s hopeless funk.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2017 • 5:55:45pm

re: #334 William Lewis

I think tomorrow will be a good day to spend some time at the range & then, perhaps, some Guinness and Famous Grouse. Perhaps that will help me shake today’s hopeless funk.

Mind you hold to that sequence.

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gocart mozart  Sep 1, 2017 • 5:56:17pm
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William Lewis  Sep 1, 2017 • 5:57:22pm

re: #335 Decatur Deb

Mind you hold to that sequence.

I have never done otherwise, nor have a I ever asked anyone to hold my Guinness… ;)

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HappyWarrior  Sep 1, 2017 • 5:57:42pm

re: #336 gocart mozart

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He seems nice.

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lawhawk  Sep 1, 2017 • 5:57:45pm

re: #336 gocart mozart

Guy looks like a dodgy Benny Hill.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 1, 2017 • 5:59:14pm

I could not resist.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2017 • 6:02:26pm

re: #336 gocart mozart

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Now why would you want to punch a Nazi when the court system can give one this pettifogger for Public Defender?

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Sep 1, 2017 • 6:05:27pm

Good news:

Fox News no longer airing in the UK

Fox News will no longer air in the United Kingdom, its parent company 21st Century Fox announced, with its U.K. feed ending Tuesday afternoon.

“21st Century Fox has decided to cease providing a feed of Fox News Channel in the U.K.,” the media giant said in a statement.

“Fox News is focused on the U.S. market and designed for a U.S. audience and, accordingly, it averages only a few thousand viewers across the day in the U.K.,” it continued.

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lawhawk  Sep 1, 2017 • 6:07:08pm

Now watch GOP pat themselves on the back all while they’re looking to cut FEMA and NFIP and Trump hasn’t filled the DHS slot vacated when Kelly went to become his CoS.

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Targetpractice  Sep 1, 2017 • 6:11:02pm

re: #343 lawhawk

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Now watch GOP pat themselves on the back all while they’re looking to cut FEMA and NFIP and Trump hasn’t filled the DHS slot vacated when Kelly went to become his CoS.

$7.9 billion, after North Carolina got less than 1% of that to repair damage done by Matthew.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 1, 2017 • 6:11:39pm

awre: #343 lawhawk

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Now watch GOP pat themselves on the back all while they’re looking to cut FEMA and NFIP and Trump hasn’t filled the DHS slot vacated when Kelly went to become his CoS.

I’m waiting for the announcement of the public-private “collaboration” that amounts to giving cash to industries to clean up and then not checking their work.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2017 • 6:13:58pm

re: #345 The Ghost of a Flea

aw

I’m waiting for the announcement of the public-private “collaboration” that amounts to giving cash to industries to clean up and then not checking their work.

That’s fair. Trump’s procurement officers will probably stiff them on the invoices. Old habits…

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gocart mozart  Sep 1, 2017 • 6:17:02pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Sep 1, 2017 • 6:18:59pm

Great live link of the fire near Los Angeles

Straight from the chopper.

Iframe

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gocart mozart  Sep 1, 2017 • 6:21:32pm

re: #340 wheat-dogg

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HappyWarrior  Sep 1, 2017 • 6:24:09pm

re: #347 gocart mozart

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Yep.

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ICH LIEBE DICH!!!  Sep 1, 2017 • 6:25:25pm

re: #330 Unshaken Defiance

Bravo!
Violence? Other than defensive acts it’s still out of the question. Said it before. if you go to a protest armored and armed and anonymous, you are not there for legitimate protest. Maybe you don’t even get two of the three.

Too Soon. No disrespect Whack-a-Mole. It’s just that when I look at a guy learning to shoot because he is worried exactly as you are we had that conversation. Conversations. I had to think long and hard because it is getting very real. We can’t get ahead of ourselves. To our pain, defending ourselves even as a society means we take a hit or two before we act. Just like as individuals. Threatened is not attacked.

No disrespect taken at all.

And I agree with you when you say “if you go to a protest armored and armed and anonymous, you are not there for legitimate protest”. But that is exactly what the left faces whenever we protest - a gang of heavily armed and armored thugs show up, many of whom view us as an existential threat that must be eliminated.

By no means am I advocating we pick up guns and start forming militias of our own or anything like that. What I am advocating is for people to understand that the time may come when fighting is necessary and that a reflexive aversion to violence when faced with violence from others isn’t helpful.

Part of the reason that the right wingers feel that they can get away with showing up with their guns and intimidating us is because they have us stereotyped as cowardly pacifists who are afraid to stand up and fight when necessary.

Ultimately, I think this is probably where a lot of my support for Antifa comes from, from the fact that they push back against that caricature of the left and show that the left isn’t going to be cowed and isn’t afraid to fight for what we believe in.

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Targetpractice  Sep 1, 2017 • 6:27:43pm

re: #349 gocart mozart

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Yet just this time last year, Trump was claiming it was all a hoax and the stock market was actually doing terribly.

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teleskiguy  Sep 1, 2017 • 6:28:17pm
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FormerDirtDart  Sep 1, 2017 • 6:30:14pm
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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2017 • 6:32:03pm

re: #351 ICH LIEBE DICH!!!

… But that is exactly what the left faces whenever we protest - a gang of heavily armed and armored thugs show up, many of whom view us as an existential threat that must be eliminated…

You should try to see the cops’ side, here, they’re not all thugs.

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Unshaken Defiance  Sep 1, 2017 • 6:35:32pm

re: #351 ICH LIEBE DICH!!!

antifa has not made a good impression on me. They strike me as drunk Occupy. The necessity for someone to show some teeth in the face of facists real time is surely there. Loved when they are overwhelmed.

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stpaulbear  Sep 1, 2017 • 6:36:58pm

re: #308 FormerDirtDart

Because those documents aren’t going to destroy themselves.

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ICH LIEBE DICH!!!  Sep 1, 2017 • 6:38:55pm

re: #355 Decatur Deb

You should try to see the cops’ side, here, they’re not all thugs.

I wasn’t referring to the police. I was referring to the III%ers and militias and all of the other groups that seem crawl out of the woodwork.

I fully believe that most cops are good people who really want to do the best they can for all the people they come into contact with. I think most departments do a good job of screening their initial recruits to weed out the power-junkies and racists. It really is a case of a few bad apples. I wish the whole “code of silence”/brotherhood in blue culture could be broken but that’s a whole different issue.

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Kilroy was here  Sep 1, 2017 • 6:42:53pm
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ICH LIEBE DICH!!!  Sep 1, 2017 • 6:43:43pm

re: #356 Unshaken Defiance

antifa has not made a good impression on me. They strike me as drunk Occupy. The necessity for someone to show some teeth in the face of facists real time is surely there. Loved when they are overwhelmed.

Like I said earlier, I wish that they could put together a coherent set of goals and beliefs beyond “we want to cause chaos” and work toward those goals. I don’t know that I would even consider them “allies” of the left but when they’re facing off against nazis and white supremacists, I’ll support them even if it’s just as the “enemy of my enemy”.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2017 • 6:45:07pm

re: #358 ICH LIEBE DICH!!!

I wasn’t referring to the police. I was referring to the III%ers and militias and all of the other groups that seem crawl out of the woodwork.

I fully believe that most cops are good people who really want to do the best they can for all the people they come into contact with. I think most departments do a good job of screening their initial recruits to weed out the power-junkies and racists. It really is a case of a few bad apples. I wish the whole “code of silence”/brotherhood in blue culture could be broken but that’s a whole different issue.

Most marchers and innocent bystanders killed and injured over the years have never seen a Threeper. If you think the Monopoly of Violence (TM) are coming down on the side of change, you need to meet Officer Pepperspray.

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DodgerFan1988  Sep 1, 2017 • 6:45:26pm

What an A-hole.

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Belafon  Sep 1, 2017 • 6:48:54pm

re: #351 ICH LIEBE DICH!!!

I was in the military, I’m from a family full of military people. I am not afraid to use a gun, but I’m also not afraid to go around without one. So, my arguments about peaceful protest are not about some fear but out out of the idea that I want the message of the protest to be seen, not the violence. It wasn’t Antifa that got the white supremacists to cancel 37 marches, it was the crowds.

There might be a time when violence is called for. WE ARE NOT THERE! These fascists are weak minded, easily scared, and cry like babies when confronted. They got lucky (with some help from Russia) and caught some people off guard. But they are getting pushed back without having to resort to violence. But, if they push it, us on the left can not only be violent, we can be pretty creative in our violence.

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gocart mozart  Sep 1, 2017 • 6:49:09pm
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NoSoapForYou  Sep 1, 2017 • 6:52:32pm
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Decatur Deb  Sep 1, 2017 • 6:54:02pm

re: #364 gocart mozart

That tweet exchange is a living example of anti-fascists being painted as Antifa. Whose purpose does that re-branding serve?

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retired cynic  Sep 1, 2017 • 7:21:01pm

re: #324 PhillyPretzel

::: speaking to the barkeep ::: pass me a seltzer.
With my allergy meds I cannot drink alcohol. :(

I do anyway. WTF.

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sagehen  Sep 1, 2017 • 8:05:56pm

re: #322 Targetpractice

As Charles Pierce noted last week, the media is doing what they’ve done for decades now: Try to protect America from another “failed presidency.” It’s why they backed off pursuing Iran-Contra too heavily, why they sat on stories that could have cost Dubya reelection, and now are trying to present Trump’s presidency as “business as usual.”

And yet, when it’s a Democrat in the White House, no “scandal” is too piddling for excruciatingly detailed examination.


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