Justice Dept. Confirms: Trump Lied When He Accused Obama of “Wiretapping” Trump Tower

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Amazingly, there still seem to be some people at the Justice Department who won’t blindly follow along with Trump’s crazed attacks on President Obama: Justice Dept: No evidence of Trump Tower wiretapping.

The Justice Department confirmed in a court briefing filed late Friday that neither it nor the FBI has evidence that Trump Tower was the target of surveillance efforts by the Obama administration during the 2016 presidential election.

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The motion confirms that neither the FBI nor the Justice Department’s National Security Division have records documenting wiretaps as alleged by President Trump in a series of tweets earlier this year.

In March, Trump wrote on Twitter that he had he discovered that former President Barack Obama had Trump Tower wiretapped during the runup to the November election, which he called “McCarthyism.”

For reference, here’s the tweet in which Trump falsely accused Obama of a major crime, an accusation that was promptly seized upon and promoted by the entire right wing media noise machine:

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279 comments

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petesh  Sep 2, 2017 • 1:12:58pm

Slinging around groundless charges of wire-tapping is indeed McCarthy-esque.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 2, 2017 • 1:14:44pm

Baseless accusations are McCarthyism.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 2, 2017 • 1:15:58pm

re: #1 petesh

Slinging around groundless charges of wire-tapping is indeed McCarthy-esque.

More on the order of tinfoil paranoia, like that reporter who said someone had hacked her computer to delete emails or something.

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electrotek  Sep 2, 2017 • 1:19:25pm

So far wingnuts haven’t been triggered by this yet:

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wheat-dogg  Sep 2, 2017 • 1:23:02pm

re: #4 electrotek

So far wingnuts haven’t been triggered by this yet:

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Chinese people are upset at Gigi, because she posted a selfie while squinting next to a small Buddha figurine. They say she was making fun of Asians, so netizens are telling her not to come to the Victoria’s Secret show in Shanghai.

Probably some nonsense cooked up by the government’s “50-cent Army.”

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petesh  Sep 2, 2017 • 1:24:26pm

re: #3 wheat-dogg

More on the order of tinfoil paranoia, like that reporter who said someone had hacked her computer to delete emails or something.

Can we compromise on both?

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wheat-dogg  Sep 2, 2017 • 1:25:21pm

re: #6 petesh

Can we compromise on both?

Sure, no problem. Paranoia + racism + ODS.

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petesh  Sep 2, 2017 • 1:36:16pm

re: #7 wheat-dogg

He’s gotta go. I can’t wait. Since I am the center of the world, that settles it.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 2, 2017 • 1:37:14pm

i have here in my hand a list of 200 members of trump’s staff who are fucking morons who will swallow any kind of bullshit

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petesh  Sep 2, 2017 • 1:39:04pm

re: #9 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i have here in my hand a list of 200 members of trump’s staff who are fucking morons who will swallow any kind of bullshit

What about the other 177? npr.org

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Interesting Times  Sep 2, 2017 • 1:40:01pm
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Grunthos the Flatulent  Sep 2, 2017 • 1:51:05pm

re: #10 petesh

What about the other 177? npr.org

More or less evenly divided into blithering idiots, drooling imbeciles, arrant fuckwits, and utter tools.

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EPR-radar  Sep 2, 2017 • 1:52:42pm

re: #9 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i have here in my hand a list of 200 members of trump’s staff who are fucking morons who will swallow any kind of bullshit

That list is much too short. 99.999% of US Republicans are fucking morons who will swallow any kind of bullshit. The remaining 0.001% are psychopathic plutocrats and their senior servants who determine what that bullshit will be.

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electrotek  Sep 2, 2017 • 1:58:46pm

Why do wingnuts/white supremacists listen to Depeche Mode? Don’t they realize that DM’s music has nothing to do with their worldview??

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petesh  Sep 2, 2017 • 1:59:41pm

Today in gallup.com approval:
Labor unions: 61%
Trump 34%

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 2, 2017 • 2:00:57pm

re: #14 electrotek

Why do wingnuts/white supremacists listen to Depeche Mode? Don’t they realize that DM’s music has nothing to do with their worldview??

They’re too stupid to realize that!

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KGxvi  Sep 2, 2017 • 2:04:18pm

Trump is so determined to get his fucking tariffs that he’s apparently planning on withdrawing from the US-South Korea Free Trade Agreement. A deal projected to grow US GDP by $10b (and our exports by $9.7b).

He is going to fucking destroy our economy and ruin our relationships with allies before he’s done. Apparently making America great again means returning us to an economic landscape similar to 1904

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HappyWarrior  Sep 2, 2017 • 2:04:27pm

He did it to deflect from his own bullshit.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 2, 2017 • 2:05:28pm

re: #17 KGxvi

Trump is so determined to get his fucking tariffs that he’s apparently planning on withdrawing from the US-South Korea Free Trade Agreement. A deal projected to grow US GDP by $10b (and our exports by $9.7b).

He is going to fucking destroy our economy and ruin our relationships with allies before he’s done. Apparently making America great again means returning us to an economic landscape similar to 1904

He’s so fucking short sighted.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 2, 2017 • 2:09:54pm

re: #17 KGxvi

Link?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 2, 2017 • 2:11:23pm

re: #20 The Ghost of a Flea

Link?

washingtonpost.com
Or are you asking about the losses that were brought up? It’s infuriating he’s doing this now when SK is in a tough spot.

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stpaulbear  Sep 2, 2017 • 2:11:25pm

re: #14 electrotek

Why do wingnuts/white supremacists listen to Depeche Mode? Don’t they realize that DM’s music has nothing to do with their worldview??

Because they just can’t get enough?

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Stanley Sea  Sep 2, 2017 • 2:11:45pm
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KGxvi  Sep 2, 2017 • 2:14:43pm

re: #21 HappyWarrior

washingtonpost.com
Or are you asking about the losses that were brought up? It’s infuriating he’s doing this now when SK is in a tough spot.

re: #20 The Ghost of a Flea

Link?

Sorry, forgot the link. The numbers are from the US International Trade Commission found on Wikipedia but the link seems to be dead on that one

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electrotek  Sep 2, 2017 • 2:15:02pm

re: #22 stpaulbear

Because they just can’t get enough?

I don’t want to start any blasphemous rumours

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KGxvi  Sep 2, 2017 • 2:16:31pm

re: #23 Stanley Sea

What in the utter fuck? He really took that moment to blast the media? Even though there were plenty of stories of news crews helping to save stranded people?

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Grunthos the Flatulent  Sep 2, 2017 • 2:18:49pm

re: #14 electrotek

Why do wingnuts/white supremacists listen to Depeche Mode? Don’t they realize that DM’s music has nothing to do with their worldview??

Same reason they blather on about milk, and New Balance shoes: to ruin them for the rest of us. (It doesn’t work.)

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Stanley Sea  Sep 2, 2017 • 2:19:25pm

re: #26 KGxvi

What in the utter fuck? He really took that moment to blast the media? Even though there were plenty of stories of news crews helping to save stranded people?

He’s a damaged human.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 2, 2017 • 2:20:31pm

re: #24 KGxvi

Sorry, forgot the link. The numbers are from the US International Trade Commission found on Wikipedia but the link seems to be dead on that one

Thanks. It really is so short sighted. By the way, it’s also something that the far left should take note of given their quasi isolationism on trade.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 2, 2017 • 2:21:12pm

re: #27 Grunthos the Flatulent

Same reason they blather on about milk, and New Balance shoes: to ruin them for the rest of us. (It doesn’t work.)

Milk? From what I understand, they embraced New Balance since NB’s CEO is a Trump fan. I wore NB for a time. Now I wear Adidas.

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Interesting Times  Sep 2, 2017 • 2:21:33pm

re: #28 Stanley Sea

He’s a damaged human.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 2, 2017 • 2:23:16pm

re: #31 Interesting Times

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Ana has a way with language. She was right. Trump’s nothing but an exploitative asshole.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 2, 2017 • 2:24:18pm

re: #30 HappyWarrior

Milk? From what I understand, they embraced New Balance since NB’s CEO is a Trump fan. I wore NB for a time. Now I wear Adidas.

I wear Erke, a Chinese brand. Bet your Adidas were made in China. ;-)

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wheat-dogg  Sep 2, 2017 • 2:25:51pm

re: #17 KGxvi

Trump is so determined to get his fucking tariffs that he’s apparently planning on withdrawing from the US-South Korea Free Trade Agreement. A deal projected to grow US GDP by $10b (and our exports by $9.7b).

He is going to fucking destroy our economy and ruin our relationships with allies before he’s done. Apparently making America great again means returning us to an economic landscape similar to 1904

We were discussing yesterday his apparent desire to return to the gold standard and do away with the Fed.

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petesh  Sep 2, 2017 • 2:25:55pm

re: #32 HappyWarrior

Ana has a way with language. She was right. Trump’s nothing but an exploitative asshole.

Exactly. He shits over everything.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 2, 2017 • 2:27:18pm

re: #33 wheat-dogg

I wear Erke, a Chinese brand. Bet your Adidas were made in China. ;-)

I’m certain of it.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 2, 2017 • 2:28:38pm

re: #35 petesh

Exactly. He shits over everything.

And despite what his cult says, he’s not even a good businessman. If he really was, they could tell themselves the last time they ate a Trump steak or drank Trump vodka. Trump has been successful at one thing his entire adult life and that’s promoting Trump. He really is pretty much a famous for being famous type.

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KGxvi  Sep 2, 2017 • 2:36:44pm

re: #34 wheat-dogg

We were discussing yesterday his apparent desire to return to the gold standard and do away with the Fed.

Yeah, let’s tag our currency to a resource that other nations can occasionally flood the market in order to disrupt our economy. That makes a lot of sense in the 21st century

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ObserverArt  Sep 2, 2017 • 2:37:47pm

re: #28 Stanley Sea

He’s a damaged human.

He’s an asshole.

I am burying myself in sportsball and music today. Reading this and the last thread about Trump today in Texas has been stunning.

But the worse aspect is this “man” is the same person he has been for 70+ years. He has been all about TRUMP and there is nothing else. Nothing else. There is no room for people in TRUMP. Period.

And yet, with all the facts of all those years of Trump being one of the biggest and most arrogant assholes walking this earth, the media wants to find normalcy.

He’s got none. He is not normal in any manner that is also considered a worthwhile human trait. None.

And much of the coverage of him by the media is not normal because they seem to have some need to not ever really get down to the actual criticisms of Trump that are warranted.

Trump is challenging every single thing about…well everything. Are we really going to let him redefine so much?

Edit: Sportsball brainfart: Texas not Florida. Sheesh!

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HappyWarrior  Sep 2, 2017 • 2:38:08pm

re: #38 KGxvi

Yeah, let’s tag our currency to a resource that other nations can occasionally flood the market in order to disrupt our economy. That makes a lot of sense in the 21st century

A bridge back to the 20th century.

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KGxvi  Sep 2, 2017 • 2:40:17pm

re: #40 HappyWarrior

A bridge back to the 20th century.

19th century

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HappyWarrior  Sep 2, 2017 • 2:40:44pm

re: #41 KGxvi

19th century

Yes, that’s more accurate for Trump and his supporters world view.

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wrenchwench  Sep 2, 2017 • 2:44:17pm

re: #33 wheat-dogg

I wear Erke, a Chinese brand. Bet your Adidas were made in China. ;-)

My Adidas were made in Vietnam.

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EPR-radar  Sep 2, 2017 • 2:44:56pm

re: #39 ObserverArt

He’s an asshole.

I am burying myself in sportsball and music today. Reading this and the last thread about Trump today in Florida has been stunning.

But the worse aspect is this “man” is the same person he has been for 70+ years. He has been all about TRUMP and there is nothing else. Nothing else. There is no room for people in TRUMP. Period.

And yet, with all the facts of all those years of Trump being one of the biggest and most arrogant assholes walking this earth, the media wants to find normalcy.

He’s got none. He is not normal in any manner that is also considered a worthwhile human trait. None.

And much of the coverage of him by the media is not normal because they seem to have some need to not ever really get down to the actual criticisms of Trump that are warranted.

Trump is challenging every single thing about…well everything. Are we really going to let him redefine so much?

I remain convinced that media ownership will not permit proper reporting on tr*mp because tr*mp is just the tertiary syphilis of US politics. Once you start asking how did this happen, the answers will inevitably lead back to deeply corrupt plutocrats owning the media, owning 100% of the Republican party and owning too much of the Democratic party.

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KGxvi  Sep 2, 2017 • 2:45:59pm

re: #42 HappyWarrior

Yes, that’s more accurate for Trump and his supporters world view.

I meant mostly that the whole “Nixon killed the gold standard” is not entirely true. We basically dropped the gold standard in the 30s on everything but foreign exchange. But there is a lot of Trump’s world view that fits with a pre-New Deal world view.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 2, 2017 • 2:46:56pm

re: #45 KGxvi

I meant mostly that the whole “Nixon killed the gold standard” is not entirely true. We basically dropped the gold standard in the 30s on everything but foreign exchange. But there is a lot of Trump’s world view that fits with a pre-New Deal world view.

He’s very much a paleo-con and old right type.

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ObserverArt  Sep 2, 2017 • 2:48:44pm

re: #44 EPR-radar

I remain convinced that media ownership will not permit proper reporting on tr*mp because tr*mp is just the tertiary syphilis of US politics. Once you start asking how did this happen, the answers will inevitably lead back to deeply corrupt plutocrats owning the media, owning 100% of the Republican party and owning too much of the Democratic party.

Were we not told those same owned Clinton too?

So how did the media under “their” control cover Clinton the way they did?

In that view, did they want Trump?

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electrotek  Sep 2, 2017 • 2:54:19pm
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EPR-radar  Sep 2, 2017 • 2:58:59pm

re: #47 ObserverArt

Were we not told those same owned Clinton too?

So how did the media under “their” control cover Clinton the way they did?

In that view, did they want Trump?

I think the media ownership wanted a generic Republican, got tr*mp, and ever since then they have been normalizing tr*mp as much as possible. Both-sides is their business model, and for that the total degeneration of the Republican party must be hidden.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Sep 2, 2017 • 3:01:09pm

Pretty interesting analysis, based on credit scores and buying history of defaulters.

House flippers triggered the US housing market crash, not poor subprime borrowers

The grim tale of America’s “subprime mortgage crisis” delivers one of those stinging moral slaps that Americans seem to favor in their histories. Poor people were reckless and stupid, banks got greedy. Layer in some Wall Street dark arts, and there you have it: a global financial crisis.
Dark arts notwithstanding, that’s not what really happened, though.
Mounting evidence suggests that the notion that the 2007 crash happened because people with shoddy credit borrowed to buy houses they couldn’t afford is just plain wrong. The latest comes in a new NBER working paper arguing that it was wealthy or middle-class house-flipping speculators who blew up the bubble to cataclysmic proportions, and then wrecked local housing markets when they defaulted en masse.

This makes a LOT of sense; a classic speculation bubble, with the inevitable collapse.

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dangerman  Sep 2, 2017 • 3:02:26pm

re: #49 EPR-radar

I think the media ownership wanted a generic Republican, got tr*mp, and ever since then they have been normalizing tr*mp as much as possible. Both-sides is their business model, and for that the total degeneration of the Republican party must be hidden.

just jumping in here

while trump always had a chance. he wasn’t supposed to win. no one really expected jt

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Cheechako  Sep 2, 2017 • 3:02:31pm

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VegasGolfer  Sep 2, 2017 • 3:05:19pm

re: #50 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Who was giving out money to just anybody?

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calochortus  Sep 2, 2017 • 3:06:33pm

re: #53 VegasGolfer

Who was giving out money to just anybody?

I think there is plenty of blame to go around.

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EPR-radar  Sep 2, 2017 • 3:08:08pm

re: #50 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Blaming the poor subprime borrowers was always a giant load of bullshit. Borrowers overextending themselves for house flipping is much closer to the mark. But I still think primary responsibility is on the banks that originated the bad mortgages (i.e., liar loans) and the bubble that formed in trading of mortgage-backed securities, credit default swaps etc.

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TedStriker  Sep 2, 2017 • 3:08:43pm

re: #30 HappyWarrior

Milk? From what I understand, they embraced New Balance since NB’s CEO is a Trump fan. I wore NB for a time. Now I wear Adidas.

“All Day I Dream About Sex”

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Sep 2, 2017 • 3:09:13pm

re: #53 VegasGolfer

Who was giving out money to just anybody?

God damn! I’m not trying to absolve the fucking banks.

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KGxvi  Sep 2, 2017 • 3:09:20pm

re: #50 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Pretty interesting analysis, based on credit scores and buying history of defaulters.

House flippers triggered the US housing market crash, not poor subprime borrowers

This makes a LOT of sense; a classic speculation bubble, with the inevitable collapse.

There were a lot of moving parts to that collapse and I’m not sure you can place all the blame on one segment alone. There were a lot of brokers promoting the idea of zero down loans, but really what those were two loans - a traditional mortgage covering 75-80% of the price, and a second which was either a HELOC that they emptied out to pay the balance or a short term mortgage with a balloon payment at five years (which they sold to borrowers by promising they could refinance in a couple years because real estate always goes up).

Those short term balloon payment loans are often what flippers use(d) because they never intend to own the property that long. But when lending standards were loosened, brokers gave those out like joints at a concert

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petesh  Sep 2, 2017 • 3:09:45pm

re: #56 TedStriker

“All Day I Dream About Sex”

/

“Nixon Is Kinda Evil”

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Sep 2, 2017 • 3:10:36pm

I’m going away. Fuck this.

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dangerman  Sep 2, 2017 • 3:11:07pm

re: #55 EPR-radar

Blaming the poor subprime borrowers was always a giant load of bullshit. Borrowers overextending themselves for house flipping is much closer to the mark. But I still think primary responsibility is on the banks that originated the bad mortgages (i.e., liar loans) and the bubble that formed in trading of mortgage-backed securities, credit default swaps etc.

and the non-banks that were allowed to originate take th e fees and sell the risk of collection over 10-30 years off to someone else

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petesh  Sep 2, 2017 • 3:11:38pm

re: #61 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

I’m going away. Fuck this.

Cant say as I blame you; I’m working (when not wasting spending time here)

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VegasGolfer  Sep 2, 2017 • 3:11:42pm

re: #58 KGxvi

Thank you for that reply.

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EPR-radar  Sep 2, 2017 • 3:13:09pm

re: #57 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

God damn! I’m not trying to absolve the fucking banks.

The linked article could be seen as trying to do just that.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Sep 2, 2017 • 3:16:24pm

re: #65 EPR-radar

The linked article could be seen as trying to do just that.

If you don’t fucking read it. Seems to have hit a nerve.

Do we have a mob of house flipping idiot speculators here?

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 2, 2017 • 3:19:18pm
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KGxvi  Sep 2, 2017 • 3:19:38pm

The price increases that led to the bubble and collapse, however, were probably driven by flippers. Buying a house for 200k, putting 10k in and then selling for 240k would obviously do that. Enough action like that in the market drives up comps which means you can list at a higher price each time, even if you’re not a flipper. Then factor in a growing population with relatively low housing starts, you get a perfect storm.

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EPR-radar  Sep 2, 2017 • 3:19:39pm

re: #66 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

If you don’t fucking read it. Seems to have hit a nerve.

Do we have a mob of house flipping idiot speculators here?

I read the article. It was basically don’t blame the poor borrowers and greedy banks. Instead blame the not so poor borrowers that were speculating.

Looks like a free pass to the banks to me.

As for where I’m coming from, I’m a severe bank critic that thinks the banks got away with murder in the last crash, and will do so again in the inevitable next crash.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 2, 2017 • 3:24:15pm
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Timothy Watson  Sep 2, 2017 • 3:26:59pm

re: #61 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

I’m going away. Fuck this.

I think I’m going to go kill some more Kett (Mass Effect: Andromeda).

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petesh  Sep 2, 2017 • 3:27:20pm

re: #69 EPR-radar

I read the article. It was basically don’t blame the poor borrowers and greedy banks. Instead blame the not so poor borrowers that were speculating.

Looks like a free pass to the banks to me.

As for where I’m coming from, I’m a severe bank critic that thinks the banks got away with murder in the last crash, and will do so again in the inevitable next crash.

The piece was focusing on the “don’t blame the poor” — I did not read it as absolving the banks at all, it just focused on the first half of the pair it cited as the conventional wisdom.

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calochortus  Sep 2, 2017 • 3:27:45pm

re: #70 FormerDirtDart

I’m a mere atheist, but isn’t there something biblical about faith without works…

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HappyWarrior  Sep 2, 2017 • 3:28:45pm

re: #70 FormerDirtDart

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Gotta pander to his RR bosses.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Sep 2, 2017 • 3:30:53pm

re: #69 EPR-radar

I read the article. It was basically don’t blame the poor borrowers and greedy banks. Instead blame the not so poor borrowers that were speculating.

Looks like a free pass to the banks to me.

As for where I’m coming from, I’m a severe bank critic that thinks the banks got away with murder in the last crash, and will do so again in the inevitable next crash.

Why can’t it be “blame the greedy banks AND the greedy speculators” instead? I read it as the banks ignoring the consequences of a speculative bubble and obviously doing this out of greed. Later, of course, they compounded the problem by flipping the bad debt themselves. You’re right that they essentially got away with it.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 2, 2017 • 3:31:18pm

I have to walk the dogs, but ya’ll can ponder this.
Happy Labor Day weekend…

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EPR-radar  Sep 2, 2017 • 3:32:02pm

re: #72 petesh

The piece was focusing on the “don’t blame the poor” — I did not read it as absolving the banks at all, it just focused on the first half of the pair it cited as the conventional wisdom.

This is admittedly a matter of interpretation.

But discussing speculation as a factor in the 2008 crash without once noting the banks’ role in fueling and profiting from that speculation is a remarkable omission.

Especially since it is part of the job of the financial sector to prevent destabilizing speculative asset bubbles from forming if possible.

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bratwurst  Sep 2, 2017 • 3:35:07pm
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alloutofcrazyhere  Sep 2, 2017 • 3:36:19pm

Wow, things went downhill fast.

Thought I loaded up YouTube for a moment.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Sep 2, 2017 • 3:43:57pm

re: #77 EPR-radar

This is admittedly a matter of interpretation.

But discussing speculation as a factor in the 2008 crash without once noting the banks’ role in fueling and profiting from that speculation is a remarkable omission.

Especially since it is part of the job of the financial sector to prevent destabilizing speculative asset bubbles from forming if possible.

The article is not an overall analysis of responsibility for the crisis, but a focused defense of one targeted group, the poor subprime borrowers who are universally assigned a sizable share of the blame. The banks’ role in this is obvious enough; they made the loans after all. They also failed in their fiduciary responsibility to recognize a speculative bubble. This is important because the common claim in GOP America is that banks were pressured to make worthless loans to “just anybody,” in the interest of political correctness. This is not the truth at all. They would have raised hell about it at the time if it were. Instead, they gleefully joined in the speculative frenzy.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 2, 2017 • 3:49:49pm

re: #45 KGxvi

I meant mostly that the whole “Nixon killed the gold standard” is not entirely true. We basically dropped the gold standard in the 30s on everything but foreign exchange. But there is a lot of Trump’s world view that fits with a pre-New Deal world view.

It’s a libertarian thing, too. Plus, the whole anti (((globalist))) cant in re: the Fed and Bretton Woods

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Sep 2, 2017 • 3:52:16pm

I suspect that the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act had a lot to do with the banks’ failure to recognize a speculative bubble. They became speculators themselves, rather than the watchdogs against it.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 2, 2017 • 3:54:02pm

Weather Channel said that the heat wave would “subside” today here in Koreatown…Right now the outside thermometer is 106, higher than it was yesterday…

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Sep 2, 2017 • 3:54:35pm

Can’t believe I made an apostrophe error. I am thankful Charles introduced the edit feature, lo, those many years ago.

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wrenchwench  Sep 2, 2017 • 3:54:36pm

At my lunch break, the swallows’ nest was down to one who hadn’t flown yet. I thought, with two adults feeding it, it would get fat before it could fly, but they are all out now. I don’t know whether they come back to the nest at night, and I’m not hanging around to find out, but I’ll look around tomorrow to see whether they’re feeding over the street, as the parents have been for weeks. The kids are lighter brown and smaller, so I should be able to spot them.

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calochortus  Sep 2, 2017 • 3:55:29pm

re: #83 Joe Bacon 🌹

Weather Channel said that the heat wave would “subside” today here in Koreatown…Right now the outside thermometer is 106, higher than it was yesterday…

They’re probably engaging in wishful thinking with the rest of us.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 2, 2017 • 3:57:14pm

re: #52 Cheechako

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I don’t even see a bottle of grape juice or communion wafers…

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wheat-dogg  Sep 2, 2017 • 3:59:44pm

re: #50 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Pretty interesting analysis, based on credit scores and buying history of defaulters.

House flippers triggered the US housing market crash, not poor subprime borrowers

This makes a LOT of sense; a classic speculation bubble, with the inevitable collapse.

This is the very same problem China faces now: speculative real estate investing.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 2, 2017 • 4:00:42pm

Meanwhile the La Tuna Canyon fire rages on here in the valley…

nbclosangeles.com

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Unshaken Defiance  Sep 2, 2017 • 4:03:09pm

re: #89 Joe Bacon

I was up Little Tujunga Canyon from NoHo. Crazy weird sky.

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wrenchwench  Sep 2, 2017 • 4:04:25pm
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Grunthos the Flatulent  Sep 2, 2017 • 4:05:23pm

re: #30 HappyWarrior

Milk? From what I understand, they embraced New Balance since NB’s CEO is a Trump fan. I wore NB for a time. Now I wear Adidas.

See, exempli gratia, wired.com

Truck the folls, I say. Truck ‘em all.

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wrenchwench  Sep 2, 2017 • 4:11:51pm

In a row. I have successfully curated my twitter feed.

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jaunte  Sep 2, 2017 • 4:14:21pm

This is bad.

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Targetpractice  Sep 2, 2017 • 4:14:25pm

re: #91 wrenchwench

Name your toads.

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All Glory to the Hypnotoad!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 2, 2017 • 4:19:42pm

re: #94 jaunte

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This is bad.

Add in the humidity from the remnants of Lidia…Agonizing…

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calochortus  Sep 2, 2017 • 4:22:51pm

re: #96 Joe Bacon 🌹

I keep thinking if I find a better forecast, that will help. At least it’s a mere 102° at our house.

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PhillyPretzel  Sep 2, 2017 • 4:23:08pm

re: #96 Joe Bacon 🌹

And Philly has the remnants of Harvey.
forecast.weather.gov

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lawhawk  Sep 2, 2017 • 4:24:08pm

The media dutifully regurgitates every last utterance, without the slightest bit of situational awareness. Do none of the reporters know to ask a followup or to engage anyone in the WH about all the nonstop lies?

Really? Trump’s budget calls for cuts to FEMA and USCG. Significant cuts, that would mean fewer Guardsmen to do the very rescues that Trump says were so good/important/critical.

He doesn’t even know what the hell he’s talking about or doing. That’s all he does.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 2, 2017 • 4:24:30pm

re: #80 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

The article is not an overall analysis of responsibility for the crisis, but a focused defense of one targeted group, the poor subprime borrowers who are universally assigned a sizable share of the blame. The banks’ role in this is obvious enough; they made the loans after all. They also failed in their fiduciary responsibility to recognize a speculative bubble. This is important because the common claim in GOP America is that banks were pressured to make worthless loans to “just anybody,” in the interest of political correctness. This is not the truth at all. They would have raised hell about it at the time if it were. Instead, they gleefully joined in the speculative frenzy.

There was a confluence of factors: bank deregulation, greedy investment advisers and mortgage brokers, sloppy bank accounting practices, unsophisticated borrowers, unscrupulous and overly optimistic investors, a booming RE market, the whole flipping movement, and more.

But the borrowers were not forcing anyone to lend them money. Quite the opposite. The mortgage guys were seducing people with easy money, which the investment guys made worse by creating lucrative financial instruments based on those sketchy loans.

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Skip Intro  Sep 2, 2017 • 4:26:03pm

re: #99 lawhawk

Looks like the pivot is over.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 2, 2017 • 4:26:19pm
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PhillyPretzel  Sep 2, 2017 • 4:28:04pm

re: #102 Charles Johnson

He does not want to be embarrassed by another eclipse again.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 2, 2017 • 4:28:24pm

re: #99 lawhawk

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The media dutifully regurgitates every last utterance, without the slightest bit of situational awareness. Do none of the reporters know to ask a followup or to engage anyone in the WH about all the nonstop lies?

Really? Trump’s budget calls for cuts to FEMA and USCG. Significant cuts, that would mean fewer Guardsmen to do the very rescues that Trump says were so good/important/critical.

He doesn’t even know what the hell he’s talking about or doing. That’s all he does.

The USCG is required to head into fierce winds, and they have the equipment and the training for it. No one expects the media to risk life and limb to cover a severe hurricane, yet surprisingly, many do. I saw plenty of YouTube videos of reporters standing hip-deep in water, mic in hand, dealing with driving rain, and others where reporters were rescuing people and handing out supplies.

Trump can take a long walk off a short pier.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 2, 2017 • 4:29:37pm

re: #103 PhillyPretzel

He does not want to be embarrassed by another eclipse again.

Eclipses are all a NASA fabrication.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 2, 2017 • 4:36:32pm

re: #105 wheat-dogg

Eclipses are all a NASA fabrication.

And RepubliKKKlans will say that Soros was somehow involved!

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Skip Intro  Sep 2, 2017 • 4:37:31pm

re: #102 Charles Johnson

Trump keeps naming far right wing loons because he knows they’ll be replaced in their districts by even farther right wing loons.

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Targetpractice  Sep 2, 2017 • 4:40:48pm

Ready for a good laugh?

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 2, 2017 • 4:44:53pm

re: #69 EPR-radar

I read the article. It was basically don’t blame the poor borrowers and greedy banks. Instead blame the not so poor borrowers that were speculating.

Looks like a free pass to the banks to me.

As for where I’m coming from, I’m a severe bank critic that thinks the banks got away with murder in the last crash, and will do so again in the inevitable next crash.

You definitely shouldn’t blame poor borrowers, because sub-prime loans defaulted at a lower rate than non-subprime loans at every point during the crisis. The greed of the banks wasn’t in loaning to people with poor credit but in bundling all their loans together into speculative derivatives that collapsed as the market did.

SK’s article is right, it was flippers that caused the crash and it’s wrong to lump them in with the average poor buyer just trying to put a roof over their heads. Yes the banks were often giving second, their, etc loans to flippers using the same lax criteria, but again, sub-primes on average defaulted at a lower rate so they logically couldn’t have been the driving force behind the crash.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 2, 2017 • 4:49:07pm

re: #102 Charles Johnson

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Of course he does.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 2, 2017 • 4:49:54pm

re: #107 Skip Intro

Trump keeps naming far right wing loons because he knows they’ll be replaced in their districts by even farther right wing loons.

And, it will be categorized by the media as a big win for Trump/Republicans (in a +30 district) and signs of further collapse of the Democratic Party

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TedStriker  Sep 2, 2017 • 4:54:46pm

re: #111 FormerDirtDart

And, it will be categorized by the media as a big win for Trump/Republicans (in a +30 district) and signs of further collapse of the Democratic Party

A “mandate”.

The more things change, they more they stay the same.

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meteor  Sep 2, 2017 • 4:54:57pm

re: #14 electrotek

Yeah. I figure “People are People” should have clued them in a long time ago.

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lawhawk  Sep 2, 2017 • 4:55:37pm

re: #108 Targetpractice

The Russians have developed the Hammerhead.

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lawhawk  Sep 2, 2017 • 4:57:32pm

This fucking nut.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 2, 2017 • 5:00:10pm

re: #115 lawhawk

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This fucking nut.

“Child” he literally was sixteen when the war ended. Meanwhile Dinesh could care less about the actual Nazi criminals that we helped. It’s only because Soros is a liberal, he’s pulling this pathetic quasi blood libel shit.

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Sep 2, 2017 • 5:06:06pm

re: #42 HappyWarrior

Yes, that’s more accurate for Trump and his supporters world view.

Probably the 18th Century. President Jackson’s era of Bank Wars and centralized banking were considered a direct threat to the slaveholding agrarian economy. This thread of institutional class warfare in the basis of Republican thought and the foundation of their hatred for any centralized bank/Fed.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 2, 2017 • 5:07:13pm

re: #117 Rocky-in-Connecticut

Probably the 18th Century. President Jackson’s era of Bank Wars and centralized banking were considered a direct threat to the slaveholding agrarian economy. This thread of institutional class warfare in the basis of Republican thought and the foundation of their hatred for any centralized bank/Fed.

That is the 19th century.

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fern01  Sep 2, 2017 • 5:11:32pm

re: #107 Skip Intro

Trump keeps naming far right wing loons because he knows they’ll be replaced in their districts by even farther right wing loons.

Only a RWNJ would consider working for this administration

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 2, 2017 • 5:19:36pm

re: #115 lawhawk

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This fucking nut.

And look! It’s already got a heavy discount!

If only this had 30% less bullshit in it!
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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 2, 2017 • 5:21:08pm

re: #120 Joe Bacon 🌹

And look! It’s already got a heavy discount!

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He makes his filthy lucre off of bulk buys, I’ll guarantee it.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 2, 2017 • 5:21:30pm

re: #120 Joe Bacon 🌹

And look! It’s already got a heavy discount!

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I really think these guys do this shit because they actually feel some guilt for the American right’s fascist sympathies in the 30’s but instead of dealing with it honestly, they choose to blame the left.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 2, 2017 • 5:21:48pm

re: #121 The Ghost of a Flea

He makes his filthy lucre off of bulk buys, I’ll guarantee it.

That’s what my Grandpa always said about Coulter’s books.

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calochortus  Sep 2, 2017 • 5:22:07pm

re: #122 HappyWarrior

I really think these guys do this shit because they actually feel some guilt for the American right’s fascist sympathies in the 30’s but instead of dealing with it honestly, they choose to blame the left.

Projection? Surely you jest!
/

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HappyWarrior  Sep 2, 2017 • 5:24:50pm

re: #124 calochortus

Projection? Surely you jest!
/

Ha I know right. I mean I am glad that Dinesh knows that the Nazis were bad but at the same time, there’s something wrong with him if he can’t see that the Nazis always were right wing. I don’t care about the socialist label or even the fact that the Nazis sometimes did use socialist rhetoric. They were definitely products of the right and if you want proof of that, you can only look at who they targeted politically.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 2, 2017 • 5:29:41pm

You cannot shit on the left for being pro racial diversity and at the same time claiming we’re the heirs to the Nazis and KKK. At least the actual Nazis and KKKers hate us honestly.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 2, 2017 • 5:29:59pm

re: #123 HappyWarrior

That’s what my Grandpa always said about Coulter’s books.

It’s generally true. There’s a whole grift that involves “charities” bulk buying this trash and distributing as gifts. So there’s a payoff, a write-off, and spore-propagation of bullshit.

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jaunte  Sep 2, 2017 • 5:30:25pm

re: #125 HappyWarrior

Just as the Nazis did in Germany, D’Souza will make use of any lie no matter how obvious, if he thinks it will help him politically.

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bratwurst  Sep 2, 2017 • 5:31:56pm

re: #115 lawhawk

I want to ask Dinesh if there were any other children whose wartime behavior he is critical of, but I am having a decent evening and do not want to risk hearing from him or his moronic fans.

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jaunte  Sep 2, 2017 • 5:32:33pm

“The wave of departures, coming less than a year after the 2016 election, has surprised the tight-knit world of Republican operatives.”

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HappyWarrior  Sep 2, 2017 • 5:32:55pm

re: #128 jaunte

Just as the Nazis did in Germany, D’Souza will make use of any lie no matter how obvious, if he thinks it will help him politically.

You just know he already has a trashy documentary in the works for the 2020 Dem nominee. He thinks he’s a right wing Michael Moore. At least Moore has enough talent to make his documentaries about other subjects. Dinesh’s documentaries are pretty much “The Dem nominee is going to ruin our country.” He’s pathetic not to mention a crook.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 2, 2017 • 5:33:16pm

Went to watch the game with friends in Vista - it was so hot, I was dying. So after the game I packed up & came home to my A/C cranking condo.

Just got a text, their power is out - it’s an overload & not expected to go back on till 10 per the SDGE website.

!!!

Home Sweet Home

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 2, 2017 • 5:33:31pm

re: #129 bratwurst

I want to ask Dinesh if there were any other children whose wartime behavior he is critical of, but I am having a decent evening and do not want to risk hearing from him or his moronic fans.

Here’s one that Dimwit D’Stupid adores!

Tomorrow belongs to me Cabaret

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HappyWarrior  Sep 2, 2017 • 5:34:04pm

re: #128 jaunte

Just as the Nazis did in Germany, D’Souza will make use of any lie no matter how obvious, if he thinks it will help him politically.

Oh I didn’t doubt it for a second. I mean oyu see those books on the best seller list and no one you know is reading them. Not to mention they’re pretty much the same book- My side is great and their side is awful!

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HappyWarrior  Sep 2, 2017 • 5:34:58pm

re: #129 bratwurst

I want to ask Dinesh if there were any other children whose wartime behavior he is critical of, but I am having a decent evening and do not want to risk hearing from him or his moronic fans.

The fucked up thing is that it’s all about politics and what really has to gall Dinesh is that Mr. Soros did more to stop Communism than he ever did.

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austin_blue  Sep 2, 2017 • 5:37:46pm

re: #129 bratwurst

I want to ask Dinesh if there were any other children whose wartime behavior he is critical of, but I am having a decent evening and do not want to risk hearing from him or his moronic fans.

Well, there was a retired Catholic Pope, as I recall…

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Targetpractice  Sep 2, 2017 • 5:38:30pm

re: #130 jaunte

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“The wave of departures, coming less than a year after the 2016 election, has surprised the tight-knit world of Republican operatives.”

I said earlier this year that I was under the suspicion that the GOP leadership knew or strongly suspected that Trump had Russian ties. If evidence comes out that they did know and covered it up, then the fallout would be far worse than a “failed presidency.”

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Charles Johnson  Sep 2, 2017 • 5:39:21pm

My Twitter fight last night about the New York Times claim that Trump’s iPhone “has no web browser” really left a bad taste in my mind.

It’s a stupid claim. If that’s what Trump’s people told the NYT writers, they were lying. If the writers misinterpreted some other claim this way, they’re idiots.

Yes, I’m well aware of Apple’s MDM system that lets an admin restrict access to apps, but even that does NOT remove the Safari web browser from an iPhone. It just conceals it. And since Trump is very obviously using the Twitter app on his iPhone, he doesn’t need it anyway — all he has to do is tap on a link and it will open in the Twitter app’s built-in webkit-based browser.

It really irritates me that some journalists think they understand these issues and feel free to insult and degrade people who point out they don’t. This is one reason why I continue to have big problems with US media in general, this “circling the wagons” approach to criticism. Way too many of these people are over-privileged, over-paid egotistical assholes who try to crush anyone who criticizes them.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 2, 2017 • 5:40:00pm

And also, too, it’s really fucking hot in LA.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 2, 2017 • 5:40:26pm

re: #136 austin_blue

Well, there was a retired Catholic Pope, as I recall…

You know from what I understand and as much as I wasn’t a fan of Benedict, even I don’t begrudge him for that. I believe he deserted too.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 2, 2017 • 5:40:52pm

re: #139 Charles Johnson

And also, too, it’s really fucking hot in LA.

So you’re saying it needs to rain in Southern California and man you hope it pours.

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austin_blue  Sep 2, 2017 • 5:42:24pm

re: #140 HappyWarrior

You know from what I understand and as much as I wasn’t a fan of Benedict, even I don’t begrudge him for that. I believe he deserted too.

Well, that’s the point, isn’t it? Why go after Soros when a former Hitler Youth was the Bishop of Rome?

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teleskiguy  Sep 2, 2017 • 5:44:42pm

ZING!

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TedStriker  Sep 2, 2017 • 5:44:43pm

re: #141 HappyWarrior

So you’re saying it needs to rain in Southern California and man you hope it pours.

You don’t find too many Albert Hammond references these days…

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HappyWarrior  Sep 2, 2017 • 5:44:43pm

re: #142 austin_blue

Well, that’s the point, isn’t it? Why go after Soros when a former Hitler Youth was the Bishop of Rome?

Because Soros is a liberal and Benedict isn’t. Simple as that.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 2, 2017 • 5:45:06pm

re: #143 teleskiguy

ZING!

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She’s also ignorant of the line of succession.

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Targetpractice  Sep 2, 2017 • 5:45:35pm

re: #142 austin_blue

Well, that’s the point, isn’t it? Why go after Soros when a former Hitler Youth was the Bishop of Rome?

Not to mention Benedict was the love of many a wingnut’s life as he was a hard-core pre-Vatican II kinda guy. This new socialist in the big hat is so turning off wingnuts to the faith.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 2, 2017 • 5:46:13pm

re: #142 austin_blue

Because it’s not actually the truth about what any individual did.

Nor is it about having an actual standard of conduct that the Nazis breached, and thus those tied to the Nazis are in violation of.

It’s about the word “Nazi” being useful as a way to tarnish a man they don’t like. And at the same time they will defend people who have appropriated large quantities of Nazi ideas—most of whom are savvy enough to not actually declare themselves Nazi, but have a variety of code terms—because they’re useful.

Words don’t mean anything.

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Single-handed sailor  Sep 2, 2017 • 5:47:29pm

re: #132 Stanley Sea

Went to watch the game with friends in Vista - it was so hot, I was dying. So after the game I packed up & came home to my A/C cranking condo.

Just got a text, their power is out - it’s an overload & not expected to go back on till 10 per the SDGE website.

!!!

Home Sweet Home

I’m hoping the neighborhood transformers don’t explode from the heat. Good news is it was only 111.4 today, below yesterdays 113.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 2, 2017 • 5:47:35pm

re: #144 TedStriker

You don’t find too many Albert Hammond references these days…

It’s a catchy song.

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austin_blue  Sep 2, 2017 • 5:49:18pm

re: #148 The Ghost of a Flea

Because it’s not actually the truth about what any individual did.

Nor is it about having an actual standard of conduct that the Nazis breached, and thus those tied to the Nazis are in violation of.

It’s about the word “Nazi” being useful as a way to tarnish a man they don’t like. And at the same time they will defend people who have appropriated large quantities of Nazi ideas—most of whom are savvy enough to not actually declare themselves Nazi, but have a variety of code terms—because they’re useful.

Words don’t mean anything.

Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. … “When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean- neither more nor less.” “The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.”

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teleskiguy  Sep 2, 2017 • 5:49:22pm

It couldn’t be more obvious that Fuckface Von Clownstick’s “administration” wants to dismantle government piece by piece.

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PhillyPretzel  Sep 2, 2017 • 5:50:30pm

re: #149 Single-handed sailor

Hmm. If I recall correctly last time something like that happened in Philly, PECO (Philly Electric) came back on line with a lower power so that the transformers would not explode. They have been doing that for a long time.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 2, 2017 • 5:51:55pm

re: #149 Single-handed sailor

I’m hoping the neighborhood transformers don’t explode from the heat. Good news is it was only 111.4 today, below yesterdays 113.

Dayum.

When I drove the freeway home I was expecting to see new brush fires. Nothing here yet. Burbank has the monopoly so far.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 2, 2017 • 5:53:12pm

re: #152 teleskiguy

It couldn’t be more obvious that Fuckface Von Clownstick’s “administration” wants to dismantle government piece by piece.

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Oh fuck them so hard.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 2, 2017 • 5:54:24pm

re: #147 Targetpractice

Not to mention Benedict was the love of many a wingnut’s life as he was a hard-core pre-Vatican II kinda guy. This new socialist in the big hat is so turning off wingnuts to the faith.

You know the thing about Benedict and John Paul II is they too were critical of the wingnuts brand of Capitalism too but they were much bigger on the anti-gay and anti-choice stuff so the wingnuts loved them.

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teleskiguy  Sep 2, 2017 • 6:02:31pm

What. The. Fuck?!?

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EPR-radar  Sep 2, 2017 • 6:03:06pm

re: #139 Charles Johnson

And also, too, it’s really fucking hot in LA.

My main goal for labor day weekend is not perishing of heat stroke.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 2, 2017 • 6:04:11pm

re: #126 HappyWarrior

You cannot shit on the left for being pro racial diversity and at the same time claiming we’re the heirs to the Nazis and KKK. At least the actual Nazis and KKKers hate us honestly.

Very well said.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 2, 2017 • 6:04:15pm

re: #157 teleskiguy

What. The. Fuck?!?

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He was DYING in that coat in the heat all day.

Only good thing.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 2, 2017 • 6:04:17pm

I’m very skeptical that North Korea really has a hydrogen bomb that will fit in an ICBM, by the way. If true, this would mean their nuclear weapons program is FAR more advanced than anyone thought. I think it’s much more likely they’re baiting the Trump-thing to react in a stupid way.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Sep 2, 2017 • 6:04:26pm

re: #115 lawhawk

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This fucking nut.

Didn’t Dinesh suggest reporting Soros to the Israeli authorities as a Nazi war criminal? I think he should go to Israel and try it. You can be prosecuted for making a false or frivolous report to law enforcement in Israel, just as you can be here. Maybe he can add an Israeli conviction to his US one.

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teleskiguy  Sep 2, 2017 • 6:05:22pm

re: #160 Stanley Sea

He was DYING in that coat in the heat all day.

Only good thing.

What product does he use for his rug on his head, epoxy?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 2, 2017 • 6:05:48pm

re: #163 teleskiguy

What product does he use for his rug on his head, epoxy?

Douchebaggrowback.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 2, 2017 • 6:06:11pm

re: #163 teleskiguy

What product does he use for his rug on his head, epoxy?

Seriously.

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TedStriker  Sep 2, 2017 • 6:08:02pm

re: #163 teleskiguy

What product does he use for his rug on his head, epoxy?

He’s probably got a lifetime supply of pre-CFC-ban Aqua Net laid in at Trump Tower.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 2, 2017 • 6:08:59pm

Lots of pups out there.

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Targetpractice  Sep 2, 2017 • 6:09:41pm

re: #163 teleskiguy

What product does he use for his rug on his head, epoxy?

Varnish.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 2, 2017 • 6:10:23pm

re: #162 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Didn’t Dinesh suggest reporting Soros to the Israeli authorities as a Nazi war criminal? I think he should go to Israel and try it. You can be prosecuted for making a false or frivolous report to law enforcement in Israel, just as you can be here. Maybe he can add an Israeli conviction to his US one.

Dimwit is too chicken to try that.

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Bubblehead II  Sep 2, 2017 • 6:10:24pm

re: #157 teleskiguy

What. The. Fuck?!?

Had to try and upstage @VP Pence. He was only getting rid of tree branches, I was distributing food and water. If it wasn’t so sad, it would be funny. Can we impeach both of these ass clowns now?

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Sep 2, 2017 • 6:11:07pm

re: #162 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Didn’t Dinesh suggest reporting Soros to the Israeli authorities as a Nazi war criminal? I think he should go to Israel and try it. You can be prosecuted for making a false or frivolous report to law enforcement in Israel, just as you can be here. Maybe he can add an Israeli conviction to his US one.

Dinesh apparently thinks that a 15 year old boy should have gone up to the Hungarian secret police during a roundup and said, “Stop this shit now! I’m a Jew too and this is wrong, and you’re a bunch of assholes!”

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PhillyPretzel  Sep 2, 2017 • 6:11:10pm

re: #168 Targetpractice

This stuff.
homedepot.com

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jaunte  Sep 2, 2017 • 6:12:03pm
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prairiefire  Sep 2, 2017 • 6:12:13pm

re: #167 Stanley Sea

That is flipping adorable.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 2, 2017 • 6:12:46pm

re: #171 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Dinesh apparently thinks that a 15 year old boy should have gone up to the Hungarian secret police during a roundup and said, “Stop this shit now! I’m a Jew too and this is wrong, and you’re a bunch of assholes!”

What pisses me off about it the most is it’s all because all of Soros’s political leanings here in the states. The guy was a fucking child.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 2, 2017 • 6:17:38pm

re: #174 prairiefire

That is flipping adorable.

Lots of hound dogs in TX

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teleskiguy  Sep 2, 2017 • 6:19:11pm

Someone has to have a photograph of Fuckface Von Clownstick before he gets his do done. They’re probably sitting on it for the big payday in the not-so-distant future. One could probably get a low seven figure amount of money for such a photograph.

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prairiefire  Sep 2, 2017 • 6:19:15pm

re: #176 Stanley Sea

Lots of hound dogs in TX

They’re being so patient, thanks dude.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 2, 2017 • 6:20:09pm
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ObserverArt  Sep 2, 2017 • 6:22:43pm

re: #138 Charles Johnson

Way too many of these people are egotistical assholes who try to crush anyone who criticizes them.

Is that not what you are running into with just about everyone on Twitter, not just journalists?

You’ve been posting quite a few twitter convos over the last month or so, and no matter how right you are, you are never right enough.

Strange times. Everyone has turf to protect.

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jaunte  Sep 2, 2017 • 6:22:45pm
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teleskiguy  Sep 2, 2017 • 6:24:15pm
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Amory Blaine  Sep 2, 2017 • 6:24:46pm

Stay safe and cool guys. Hydrate!

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Charles Johnson  Sep 2, 2017 • 6:24:48pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 2, 2017 • 6:26:15pm

re: #181 jaunte

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They’re such easily conned idiots.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 2, 2017 • 6:26:25pm

re: #182 teleskiguy

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I just looked at that trump alert account.

Extremely depressing the info these people are getting.

I had to stop.

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ObserverArt  Sep 2, 2017 • 6:26:28pm

re: #163 teleskiguy

What product does he use for his rug on his head, epoxy?

Krylon Clear Acrylic Enamel

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jaunte  Sep 2, 2017 • 6:27:18pm

re: #185 HappyWarrior

They’re such easily conned idiots.

“He looked at me! Through the tv screen! I could tell by his eyes he cared!!!”

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 2, 2017 • 6:30:19pm
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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Sep 2, 2017 • 6:32:52pm

We’re seeing great video of dog rescues on the Texas Gulf coast. Meanwhile in Lubbock:

Facebook Post

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Dave In Austin  Sep 2, 2017 • 6:33:23pm

re: #161 Charles Johnson

I’m very skeptical that North Korea really has a hydrogen bomb that will fit in an ICBM, by the way. If true, this would mean their nuclear weapons program is FAR more advanced than anyone thought. I think it’s much more likely they’re baiting the Trump-thing to react in a stupid way.

2 garbage cans welded together with some chrome bolts and wires………

DD22 Territory
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Stanley Sea  Sep 2, 2017 • 6:37:25pm

re: #190 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

WHAT

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 2, 2017 • 6:41:00pm

tropical heat wave chez dogue bulletin

obviously the thing to do is lie around on our deck in the treetops and drink but we are ahem between refrigerators and we have drunk our way through the warm beer and have now started in on armenian ‘noi’ brandy and soda vasha zdarova skol l’chaim here’s looking up yer address

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wheat-dogg  Sep 2, 2017 • 6:44:36pm

re: #193 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

tropical heat wave chez dogue bulletin

obviously the thing to do is lie around on our deck in the treetops and drink but we are ahem between refrigerators and we have drunk our way through the warm beer and have now started in on armenian ‘noi’ brandy and soda vasha zdarova skol l’chaim here’s looking up yer address

Drink water, too, Dog. Don’t get dehydrated.

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jaunte  Sep 2, 2017 • 6:45:49pm
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Stanley Sea  Sep 2, 2017 • 6:46:23pm

Hey Philly, you were talking about Victoria, correct?

First season is on Amazon. Wondering……

I’m still in withdrawal from The Leftovers. Nothing will ever touch that.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Sep 2, 2017 • 6:46:45pm

re: #192 Stanley Sea

WHAT

My friend Carol sent me that. I want to help her apply the National Media Blowtorch of Shame to this dog abuser and the Lubbock authorities.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 2, 2017 • 6:48:31pm

re: #197 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

My friend Carol sent me that. I want to help her apply the National Media Blowtorch of Shame to this dog abuser and the Lubbock authorities.

I view FB, don’t participate. If it’s a tweet……..

These are our neighbors who think it’s interesting to starve a dog?

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Dave In Austin  Sep 2, 2017 • 6:49:04pm

re: #190 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

We’re seeing great video of dog rescues on the Texas Gulf coast. Meanwhile in Lubbock:

[Embedded content]

I just sent this over to a woman I know who is deeply involved with rescue. She won’t stand for it.

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PhillyPretzel  Sep 2, 2017 • 6:49:09pm

re: #196 Stanley Sea

“Victoria” is available on amazon prime. As to a second season it is coming and I have no other information. I keep watching pbs.org for information. If you find any information please post it.

I just found it. pbs.org

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ObserverArt  Sep 2, 2017 • 6:49:13pm

re: #197 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

My friend Carol sent me that. I want to help her apply the National Media Blowtorch of Shame to this dog abuser and the Lubbock authorities.

Is the SPCA aware?

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jaunte  Sep 2, 2017 • 6:49:22pm

re: #190 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Tweeted it.

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jaunte  Sep 2, 2017 • 6:49:59pm
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Barefoot Grin  Sep 2, 2017 • 6:53:55pm

re: #94 jaunte

[Embedded content]

This is bad.

Damn.

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prairiefire  Sep 2, 2017 • 6:54:39pm

re: #200 PhillyPretzel

“Victoria” is available on amazon prime. As to a second season it is coming and I have no other information. I keep watching pbs.org for information. If you find any information please post it.

Spoiler alert, she’s going to have some babies.

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PhillyPretzel  Sep 2, 2017 • 6:54:45pm

OT: A repeat post. I just found some information on Victoria Season 2. pbs.org

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 2, 2017 • 6:55:35pm

re: #194 wheat-dogg

Drink water, too, Dog. Don’t get dehydrated.

water is all well and fine and at burning man they always warn you to “piss clear” but you know what w c fields said about water:

“fish fuck in it”

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PhillyPretzel  Sep 2, 2017 • 6:56:26pm

re: #205 prairiefire

I know. History says she and Albert had 9 kids. And all of them married into other European royals.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 2, 2017 • 6:56:43pm

re: #203 jaunte

[Embedded content]

i want to see dogs rescue other dogs that would be cool

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Sep 2, 2017 • 6:57:09pm

re: #201 ObserverArt

Is the SPCA aware?

I sent her a link and their local phone number.

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prairiefire  Sep 2, 2017 • 6:57:20pm

re: #208 PhillyPretzel

I know. History says she and Albert had 9 kids. And all of them married into other European royals.

Yes Le Grande Matriarch.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 2, 2017 • 6:57:31pm

re: #204 Barefoot Grin

Damn.

Sorry. This is the coolest summer since I’ve been in New England. I’ve lived in brutally hot and humid summers in the midwest most of my life, but rarely over 100 for more than a day.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 2, 2017 • 6:58:04pm

re: #206 PhillyPretzel

OT: A repeat post. I just found some information on Victoria Season 2. pbs.org

Season 1 is good?

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PhillyPretzel  Sep 2, 2017 • 6:58:42pm

re: #213 Stanley Sea

Yes. If you have amazon prime you can watch it for free.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 2, 2017 • 6:58:47pm

re: #207 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

water is all well and fine and at burning man they always warn you to “piss clear” but you know what w c fields said about water:

“fish fuck in it”

You are at Burning Man?

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 2, 2017 • 7:00:13pm

re: #215 Stanley Sea

You are at Burning Man?

not this year misfortunately

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jaunte  Sep 2, 2017 • 7:04:17pm

re: #215 Stanley Sea

You are at Burning Man?

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 2, 2017 • 7:05:48pm

re: #217 jaunte

[Embedded content]

looks just like a burning man attendee that we buddied up w one year who declared his name was Large Cock

220
Varek Raith  Sep 2, 2017 • 7:08:18pm

North Korea: Kim Jong Un observes missile-ready hydrogen bomb
That’s cute, he thinks he has fusion bombs.

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Varek Raith  Sep 2, 2017 • 7:10:16pm

re: #221 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Kevin Swanson: Burning Man Wants To Bring Back Human Sacrifice

Neat.

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Targetpractice  Sep 2, 2017 • 7:11:12pm

re: #221 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Kevin Swanson: Burning Man Wants To Bring Back Human Sacrifice

Kali ma! KALI MA! KALI MA!

224
Timothy Watson  Sep 2, 2017 • 7:11:27pm

re: #221 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Kevin Swanson: Burning Man Wants To Bring Back Human Sacrifice

I miss out on the all the fun stuff.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 2, 2017 • 7:11:49pm
226
Unshaken Defiance  Sep 2, 2017 • 7:11:58pm

Well crap. There went the electricity. But only my place. Breakers all fine. Dwp says tomorrow soonest.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 2, 2017 • 7:12:17pm
228
PhillyPretzel  Sep 2, 2017 • 7:13:41pm

re: #226 Unshaken Defiance

Hope you get power back soon.

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ObserverArt  Sep 2, 2017 • 7:18:51pm

re: #226 Unshaken Defiance

Well crap. There went the electricity. But only my place. Breakers all fine. Dwp says tomorrow soonest.

Are you on some kind of a fuse for a sub circuit?

A few years ago about five houses on my street were out…I was one of them. Called AEP and they came out within a couple hours and they replace a big ass fused link on the pole behind my house. I didn’t even know they had circuits broken down like that with fuses.

230
Stanley Sea  Sep 2, 2017 • 7:20:01pm

@yashar magnifies the work of the Sheldrick Wildlife rescue in Kenya.

This is the teenager I sponsored for my Mom!!!

231
Stanley Sea  Sep 2, 2017 • 7:21:30pm

re: #226 Unshaken Defiance

Well crap. There went the electricity. But only my place. Breakers all fine. Dwp says tomorrow soonest.

UGH

232
Charles Johnson  Sep 2, 2017 • 7:21:34pm
233
Charles Johnson  Sep 2, 2017 • 7:21:54pm
234
Stanley Sea  Sep 2, 2017 • 7:26:04pm

re: #233 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

That trump alert twitter feed is horrifying.

They are stupid racists being influenced by the worst people.

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KGxvi  Sep 2, 2017 • 7:28:24pm

re: #234 Stanley Sea

That trump alert twitter feed is horrifying.

They are stupid racists being influenced by the worst people.

So stupid racists being influenced by stupid racists?

236
Stanley Sea  Sep 2, 2017 • 7:29:22pm

re: #235 KGxvi

So stupid racists being influenced by stupid racists?

And all other idiots

Seriously, you want to feel depressed? Go through that twitter feed.

237
Stanley Sea  Sep 2, 2017 • 7:38:52pm

Mini update

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William Lewis  Sep 2, 2017 • 7:39:11pm

re: #226 Unshaken Defiance

Well crap. There went the electricity. But only my place. Breakers all fine. Dwp says tomorrow soonest.

That’s why I have a kerosene lamp for emergency lighting. Nice to read by :) Go find a book & a candle and we’ll see you later.

239
jaunte  Sep 2, 2017 • 7:40:47pm
240
Stanley Sea  Sep 2, 2017 • 7:54:52pm

Cue Denny Green

241
petesh  Sep 2, 2017 • 7:56:50pm

I just want to scroll #240 off my large screen.

242
Stanley Sea  Sep 2, 2017 • 7:57:47pm

re: #241 petesh

I just want to scroll #240 off my large screen.

Sorry.

He’s just such an asshole.

243
Charles Johnson  Sep 2, 2017 • 7:58:04pm
244
petesh  Sep 2, 2017 • 7:58:56pm

re: #242 Stanley Sea

Sorry.

He’s just such an asshole.

I’m not really complaining, I was curious to see it, but then I just had to post something and I had nothing else to post!

245
teleskiguy  Sep 2, 2017 • 7:59:48pm

re: #240 Stanley Sea

Shit, that’s real.

246
jaunte  Sep 2, 2017 • 8:00:13pm

re: #240 Stanley Sea

I knew he would be bothered by having to spend time pretending to pay attention to other people.

247
jaunte  Sep 2, 2017 • 8:01:06pm
248
petesh  Sep 2, 2017 • 8:01:28pm

re: #243 Charles Johnson

Charles, I deeply appreciate your curation of the twitterverse so I still don’t have an account (though I do have two twits bookmarked on my browser — Krugman because I like him and old Orangehead in case I want to check he actually … and he usually did).

249
teleskiguy  Sep 2, 2017 • 8:04:49pm
250
Big Beautiful Door  Sep 2, 2017 • 8:06:09pm

re: #120 Joe Bacon 🌹

And look! It’s already got a heavy discount!

[Embedded content]

And an accurate title!

251
Charles Johnson  Sep 2, 2017 • 8:06:15pm
252
Charles Johnson  Sep 2, 2017 • 8:06:35pm
253
ObserverArt  Sep 2, 2017 • 8:09:26pm

re: #252 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

We live in a dimension where Our President is a Massive Asshole.

254
The Spite House  Sep 2, 2017 • 8:09:44pm

re: #252 Charles Johnson

It’s allll about “triggering libs.” That’s it. Nothing else matters.

255
jaunte  Sep 2, 2017 • 8:12:10pm
256
Dave In Austin  Sep 2, 2017 • 8:13:19pm

re: #239 jaunte

257
teleskiguy  Sep 2, 2017 • 8:13:19pm

The disgusting narcissist updated his Twitter header tonight. Look at it, it says ME ME ME!!!

258
Charles Johnson  Sep 2, 2017 • 8:13:32pm
259
Big Beautiful Door  Sep 2, 2017 • 8:14:01pm

re: #162 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Didn’t Dinesh suggest reporting Soros to the Israeli authorities as a Nazi war criminal? I think he should go to Israel and try it. You can be prosecuted for making a false or frivolous report to law enforcement in Israel, just as you can be here. Maybe he can add an Israeli conviction to his US one.

Its just red meat for the base; I doubt he believes half of what he says.

260
petesh  Sep 2, 2017 • 8:15:36pm

re: #259 Big Beautiful Door

Its just red meat for the base; I doubt he believes half of what he says.

Oh, come now, he’s way overcooked. Just add ketchup …

261
Stanley Sea  Sep 2, 2017 • 8:16:00pm

re: #255 jaunte

[Embedded content]

I just went through a photo compilation from one of the Houston news stations.

The front yards of houses, on and on.

Can’t imagine.

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Unshaken Defiance  Sep 2, 2017 • 8:16:36pm

Thanks to a local electrician, I got juice! Saved the food in the fridge and my night. He went away with a 12 pack of 805 Beer. And a nice invoice I suppose…

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Charles Johnson  Sep 2, 2017 • 8:16:55pm
264
jaunte  Sep 2, 2017 • 8:17:39pm

re: #261 Stanley Sea

Just thinking about how to multiply the foot-pounds of labor by 156,000 houses.

265
The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 2, 2017 • 8:17:51pm

re: #263 Charles Johnson

So he follows people with the same business model as him?

266
ObserverArt  Sep 2, 2017 • 8:19:12pm

re: #262 Unshaken Defiance

Thanks to a local electrician, I got juice! Saved the food in the fridge and my night. He went away with a 12 pack of 805 Beer. And a nice invoice I suppose…

Curious…what was it?

267
stpaulbear  Sep 2, 2017 • 8:19:31pm

re: #251 Charles Johnson

The next edit should be to change the word “I” to a four letter word for fecal matter.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 2, 2017 • 8:21:05pm

re: #264 jaunte

Just thinking about how to multiply the foot-pounds of labor by 156,000 houses.

xinsyasqPSA9u8ZGa9BwdUipvOqH8ZG2D4g2q4evCSIKxd+JhiT33IJrtyfoYnlupUQ/v08xiXPuGDZF3kWK1k7Bibm5fw9TfJWcqRh+DcAUnVYuKOtm+eTTroONrXByGrbcBdnqUWxcCaUhsXcgX4mdJt/Bqg7Sy+CSLQ3HS6iDwVf1THliOQB1eh7fGVfj5xLmpcIIGr85fHdK8+mYwLFOXWVD8HbjFBOtRiBjfxEd/81vvz3GYeh0aRhvdz502hj0m+jAXZ2YwcckeLJNMzkSRJIjptYjbJvcHUXrjlSF0u8ukboMhBbPWZdNddhLm14nQPwmkYKjURIhuZ7vxLAYLneYdOGuGWF9t2UXFcw=

269
Unshaken Defiance  Sep 2, 2017 • 8:21:52pm

re: #266 ObserverArt

Curious…what was it?

He swapped out a breaker.

270
Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 2, 2017 • 8:24:27pm

Damn—tonight they are now saying the Low will be 81!

When I got up at 530 this morning the temperature was only 77…

271
jaunte  Sep 2, 2017 • 8:26:17pm

re: #268 Stanley Sea

GZs9SbElQC9riRE0Vh7vc8oZKuSsWTZuOOGfRKX9jZPhWGFRb6WGMJ1CzYMeGNOViN8DlKmOQzbFmvpt6pftpnHdQNNjqIxqc4nR0mRMs4MP9CXfVgtRkq8VjWCPdXWr

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Dave In Austin  Sep 2, 2017 • 8:27:10pm
273
jaunte  Sep 2, 2017 • 8:28:23pm

re: #272 Dave In Austin

The sad part is, he won’t learn anything from that.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 2, 2017 • 8:29:36pm

re: #272 Dave In Austin

[Embedded content]

Methinks that is not his Mrs… 😈

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 2, 2017 • 8:29:41pm
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FormerDirtDart  Sep 2, 2017 • 8:34:50pm

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Stanley Sea  Sep 2, 2017 • 8:35:11pm

re: #272 Dave In Austin

[Embedded content]

The one girl in the row below!!!! lol

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Stanley Sea  Sep 2, 2017 • 8:53:22pm

Life is good. Just started watching Victoria. Captivating.

I will have a lovely Sunday.

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unproven innocence  Sep 2, 2017 • 9:02:16pm

re: #247 jaunte

From the BBC story,
After Trump, “big data” firm Cambridge Analytica is now working in Kenya
By Sam Bright

final paragraph:

Kenya is not the only developing country election where Cambridge Analytica is now getting involved. Bloomberg News reported that the company is also conducting initial research in Mexico, in advance of that country’s presidential election in 2018.

Speculation: Putin’s cyberwarfare initiative seems to have many players.
Trump spent Saturday night at a lavish ‘Villains and Heroes’ costume party hosted by some of his biggest donors Picture caption:

President-elect Donald Trump gestures toward reporters as he arrives for a party at the home of Robert Mercer, one of his biggest campaign donors, Saturday, Dec. 3, 2016, in Head of the Harbor, N.Y.

Bolding is mine. I would not have expected this many connections.


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