A Stunning Time-Lapse Short Film From the Atacama Desert: “NOX ATACAMA”

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The Atacama desert is home to the darkest and cleanest skies in the world. A view to the nightsky rewards with uncountable numbers of stars and fantastic nebulas in one of the most quiet a empty places on earth. Not a single noise distracts from the grand show the nightsky has to offer.
The environment is harsh though. Filmed in freezing temperatures, altitudes up to 5000m/16000ft, salt lakes and icy slopes, the Atacama is not friendly to life and equipment. Though it provides without doubt for epic and vast vistas of one of the greatest landscapes on earth.

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JordanRules  Sep 3, 2017 • 9:14:13pm

This type of solidarity warms my cold heart!

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Stanley Sea  Sep 3, 2017 • 9:17:33pm

re: #1 JordanRules

This type of solidarity warms my cold heart!

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Same happened in…? somewhere in CA.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 3, 2017 • 9:17:53pm

Cheesus!

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Single-handed sailor  Sep 3, 2017 • 9:18:42pm

re: #2 Stanley Sea

Same happened in…? somewhere in CA.

Berkeley of all places!

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Belafon  Sep 3, 2017 • 9:18:44pm

re: #3 Dave In Austin

Cheesus!

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Apocalypse. Or Trump.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 3, 2017 • 9:20:29pm

They’re still coming at me.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 3, 2017 • 9:21:30pm
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JordanRules  Sep 3, 2017 • 9:21:38pm

re: #5 Belafon

Same thing?

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teleskiguy  Sep 3, 2017 • 9:22:20pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

I’m completely relaxed.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 3, 2017 • 9:22:25pm

I sent a reminder to my son in Jacksonville to keep an eye to the southeast for Irma. The real problem with Hurricane Warnings is they are only issued two days before a storm, and Jacksonville with a million people would be crap to try to evacuate (few roads out).

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Charles Johnson  Sep 3, 2017 • 9:22:38pm

One-upping Twitter is getting on my last nerve tonight.

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JordanRules  Sep 3, 2017 • 9:24:15pm

Mo Twitter, Mo Problems - the remix by zombie Notorious B.I.G.

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Belafon  Sep 3, 2017 • 9:26:01pm

re: #11 Charles Johnson

One-upping Twitter is getting on my last nerve tonight.

I have an uncle who always has to one-up you. After growing up with him, we found out his and my dad’s mother had a child when she was 17 that was put up for adoption. When we finally met him, we found out he did the same thing (so it’s a genetic feature). When the two of them got together, they started doing it, and my dad and I had to leave the room after about 10 minutes.

They’re not any fun to watch or participate in.

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JordanRules  Sep 3, 2017 • 9:27:18pm

Palate cleanser and Joe Walsh has to do the dishes!

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austin_blue  Sep 3, 2017 • 9:30:52pm

re: #3 Dave In Austin

Cheesus!

What’s the word for when you have the largest flood ever followed by the largest fire ever?

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Several.

The new normal for this greenhouse planet.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 3, 2017 • 9:38:52pm

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jaunte  Sep 3, 2017 • 9:44:38pm
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Alonso Guillen, a 31-year-old disc jockey from Lufkin, disappeared on Wednesday around midnight along with two friends after their boat hit the bridge over the creek and capsized. One of them was rescued after clinging to a tree in the rushing water, but days later, after the rains let up and the creek level receded, Guillen and Tomas Carreon Jr. were still missing.
Searchers spotted Carreon’s body floating down the wide, swift-moving creek on Friday around 1 p.m.

On Sunday afternoon, Guillen’s body floated past a sandy berm where family members had been keeping watch for days, staring out at the murky water. A relative dove in and pulled him to the shoulder of the creek until they were able to bring a boat over to get him onto shore.

Guillen’s father, Jesus Guillen, said he’d asked his son not to try and rescue people in the storm, but he insisted, saying he wanted to help people. He cried and prayed on Sunday afternoon as they pulled his son’s body from the water.

“Thank you, God,” he said, “for the time I had with him.”
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Alonso Guillen was a recipient of the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, which temporarily lifted the threat of deportation for immigrants brought to the U.S. before they were 16, family members said.

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jaunte  Sep 3, 2017 • 9:45:19pm

“Reached at her home in Piedras Negras, Mexico, across the border from Eagle Pass, Rita Ruiz de Guillen, 62, said she is heartbroken.

“I’ve lost a great son, you have no idea,” she said, weeping softly. “I’m asking God to give me strength.”

She said she hoped U.S. Customs and Border Protection officials would take pity and grant her a humanitarian visa so that she could come to Houston and bury her son, but she was turned back at the border.”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 3, 2017 • 9:47:57pm

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 3, 2017 • 9:48:39pm
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Stanley Sea  Sep 3, 2017 • 9:49:13pm

re: #14 JordanRules

Palate cleanser and Joe Walsh has to do the dishes!

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Dog I needed that.

TY

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JordanRules  Sep 3, 2017 • 9:50:33pm

re: #21 Stanley Sea

Me too! Gonna need to revisit it often.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 3, 2017 • 9:51:08pm

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Stanley Sea  Sep 3, 2017 • 9:52:44pm

I have a q….. with all the lit candles in the Victorian era - by draperies no less, how the fuck did they not all burn down?

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teleskiguy  Sep 3, 2017 • 9:54:04pm

Blast from the past.

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EPR-radar  Sep 3, 2017 • 9:59:20pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

tr*mp is the worst US president ever. There are several other awful presidents, but none of them is even a close #2.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 3, 2017 • 10:00:19pm
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goddamnedfrank  Sep 3, 2017 • 10:01:44pm

re: #24 Stanley Sea

I have a q….. with all the lit candles in the Victorian era - by draperies no less, how the fuck did they not all burn down?

They did, all the fucking time. (link goes to .pdf)

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MsJ  Sep 3, 2017 • 10:07:47pm
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Kragar  Sep 3, 2017 • 10:11:40pm
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goddamnedfrank  Sep 3, 2017 • 10:15:38pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 3, 2017 • 10:18:07pm

re: #30 Kragar

Swap out hurricane with any other bad thing that happens.

Observe how this solves the problem of theodicy by making the sad little mortal feel responsible for their own suffering, because the omnipotent being knows they can cope.

Observe how this also solves the problem of megachurch pastors and patrons who worry they that might have to reach out and help others, because the suffering of the suffering was made for them, bespoke.

Like the just world fallacy with ‘roid rage.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 3, 2017 • 10:18:44pm
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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Sep 3, 2017 • 10:19:15pm

re: #28 goddamnedfrank

They did, all the fucking time. (link goes to .pdf)

The vast, layered petticoats and hoop skirts so beloved of female Confederate nostalgists were a massive fire hazard. They were not only inflammable, they were very difficult to put on or remove in a hurry. One reason they were fashionable was that they required assistance to get into, implying that the wearer had slave girls at hand and was therefore wealthy. There are horrifying stories of them catching fire and roasting the unfortunate belle alive.

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Varek Raith  Sep 3, 2017 • 10:20:42pm

re: #34 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Inflammable means flammable?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 3, 2017 • 10:21:57pm

re: #32 The Ghost of a Flea

Swap out hurricane with any other bad thing that happens.

Observe how this solves the problem of theodicy by making the sad little mortal feel responsible for their own suffering, because the omnipotent being knows they can cope.

Observe how this also solves the problem of megachurch pastors and patrons who worry they that might have to reach out and help others, because the suffering of the suffering was made for them, bespoke.

Like the just world fallacy with ‘roid rage.

These Pulpit Pimps promise you pie in the sky when you die as long as you kiss Wall Street ass on Earth and always vote RepubliKKKlan!

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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 3, 2017 • 10:23:51pm

re: #36 Joe Bacon 🌹

These Pulpit Pimps promise you pie in the sky when you die as long as you kiss Wall Street ass on Earth and always vote RepubliKKKlan!

They’ve moved beyond that.

Now they’re telling their flock that they deserve what they have on Earth. Basically, it’s The Secret wearing a Halloween Jesus outfit.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 3, 2017 • 10:25:44pm

re: #37 The Ghost of a Flea

They’ve moved beyond that.

Now they’re telling their flock that they deserve what they have on Earth. Basically, it’s The Secret wearing a Halloween Jesus outfit.

I never got over my aunt’s church having their Ayn Rand salon where they treated her garbage like Holy Scripture written on gold tablets…

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 3, 2017 • 10:27:18pm

re: #26 EPR-radar

tr*mp is the worst US president ever. There are several other awful presidents, but none of them is even a close #2.

Warren G. Harding and James Buchanan heave sighs of relief.

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BeachDem  Sep 3, 2017 • 10:32:18pm

re: #29 MsJ

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Maggie, the Trump whisperer.

Re-posting from last thread, where, as usual, I was a day late and a dollar short:

For once in his whiny, sycophantic life, please let Lindsey Graham follow through—

He and Dick Durbin re-introduced a DREAM Act in July, and Graham said:

“So to President Trump, you’re going to have to make a decision,” Graham said. “The campaign is over. To the Republican Party, who are we? What do we believe? The moment of reckoning is coming. When they write the history of these times, I’m going to be with these kids.”

He’ll be hearing from me first thing tomorrow.

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Jebediah, RBG  Sep 3, 2017 • 10:33:45pm

re: #29 MsJ

He doesn’t want to do it?
Then who is FORCING him to do it? We’ve seen plenty of times that he doesn’t accept any direction or control. So who is making him do this against his will?
He fucking wants to do it, mostly because he is a giant festering asshole.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 3, 2017 • 10:36:38pm

re: #38 Joe Bacon 🌹

I never got over my aunt’s church having their Ayn Rand salon where they treated her garbage like Holy Scripture written on gold tablets…

One of the things that I’ve shed over the years is the presumption that there’s any relationship between what a text says and what someone presumes a text says. And as a consequence, there’s really no “true religion” (or “true secular ideology”) from which deviations branch. There’s just constantly grooming the growth to suggest a center.

Ideas have no weight. Words only have fixed meaning to the extent that they’re confirmed and repeated by communicators. Concepts are not molecule with fixed assemblies of atoms in specific configurations. Any idea can be bent to be another idea. Any cloud of concepts can be hollowed out and filled with completely different notions.

Which explains a lot of what’s going on with the revanchist, anti-skeptical, anti-intellectual clusters of the world.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 3, 2017 • 10:37:27pm

re: #42 The Ghost of a Flea

A is not necessarily A.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 3, 2017 • 10:42:35pm

re: #43 The Ghost of a Flea

A is not necessarily A.

My book says it’s “eh.” It is the One True Word of God. Die, heathen!

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wheat-dogg  Sep 3, 2017 • 10:43:46pm

re: #44 wheat-dogg

The followers of “Eh” have often quarreled with the Followers of “Meh,” who could care less.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 3, 2017 • 10:46:19pm

Had Mr. Trump just stayed in New York and run his grift business, he would have been mostly free to do what he wanted without much fuss.

Now, everyone in the world mocks him.

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JordanRules  Sep 3, 2017 • 10:46:30pm

We’ll be expanding this labor class. This exploitation is a necessary feature for the future GOPers want.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 3, 2017 • 10:54:36pm

Weather Underground’s analysis of Hurricane Irma.

Of note, all but six tracks in the spaghetti model show Irma hitting the mainland United States, no track shows a direct hit on a Caribbean nation.

wunderground.com

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 3, 2017 • 11:01:37pm

Of note, Hurricane Irma is now an annular tropical cyclone, due to it’s very little spiral banding. These sorts of hurricanes are very resistant to wind shear, ingesting dry air, or adverse sea conditions.

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bratwurst  Sep 3, 2017 • 11:02:40pm
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Kragar  Sep 3, 2017 • 11:05:50pm
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goddamnedfrank  Sep 3, 2017 • 11:06:45pm

This is why I hold out little hope for the average Republican. They live within a Pollyanna world where finally acknowledging the long arc of depraved racial resentment they’ve tacitly condoned has simply become too psychologically painful to confront.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 3, 2017 • 11:09:01pm

re: #51 Kragar

Aaaand, that’s why Ronald Reagan was the GOP nominee. He was better at flying the bigot flag.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 3, 2017 • 11:10:04pm
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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 3, 2017 • 11:11:39pm

re: #52 goddamnedfrank

i have found it remarkable how much energy republicans of all types will put into arguing away the obvious

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 3, 2017 • 11:17:06pm

re: #54 goddamnedfrank

Something like Cassandra Crossing for so-called moderates in the GOP.

The time to call out the racist swing was back during the days of William F. Buckley, Jr., of Nixon, of Reagan.

Reagan showed where he was headed when he was California governor, when he pushed for the Mulford Act when African-Americans dared to exercise the same II Amendment open-carry rights that whites had.

He looked at that and said “aw hell no.”

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Kragar  Sep 3, 2017 • 11:19:30pm
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piratedan  Sep 3, 2017 • 11:19:33pm

re: #54 goddamnedfrank

could always ask him about all of those strident GOP calls of outrage post Charlottesville, because there weren’t any.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 3, 2017 • 11:21:12pm

re: #55 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i have found it remarkable how much energy republicans of all types will put into arguing away the obvious

The alternative is admitting they’re wrong.

That’s hard enough for anyone to do, but when you also hold the tenet that “Conservatism can’t fail, it can only be failed,” it’s impossible.

That also explains why no one to the left of a current politician can challenge someone in a GOP primary.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 3, 2017 • 11:28:59pm

re: #58 piratedan

could always ask him about all of those strident GOP calls of outrage post Charlottesville, because there weren’t any.

instead, the right stridently asserted that the first amendment rights of nazis, kkks, and white supremacists were violated by the antifas, while throwing in a lot of gratuitous “blm are racist cop killers” for good measure, and showing that where racists are concerned, and only when racists are concerned, they suddenly become as concerned about civil rights as any SJW

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 3, 2017 • 11:31:06pm

re: #59 Anymouse 🌹

The alternative is admitting they’re wrong.

That’s hard enough for anyone to do, but when you also hold the tenet that “Conservatism can’t fail, it can only be failed,” it’s impossible.

That also explains why no one to the left of a current politician can challenge someone in a GOP primary.

I don’t think it’s admitting being wrong per se that’s the problem, it’s the connected realization that they’ve been complicit for years, in most cases their entire adult lives that’s presents the emotional hurdle.

Subconsciously they’re terrified of how that admission will injure their egos and wound their sense of self worth.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 3, 2017 • 11:31:42pm

re: #60 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

instead, the right stridently asserted that the first amendment rights of nazis, kkks, and white supremacists were violated by the antifas, while throwing in a lot of gratuitous “blm are racist cop killers” for good measure, and showing that where racists are concerned, and only when racists are concerned, they suddenly become as concerned about civil rights as any SJW

Social Justice Warriors for Nazis and Klansmen. At least it’s an ethos.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 3, 2017 • 11:32:48pm

re: #37 The Ghost of a Flea

They’ve moved beyond that.

Now they’re telling their flock that they deserve what they have on Earth. Basically, it’s The Secret wearing a Halloween Jesus outfit.

I had to Wiki “The Secret” as to be honest, I’d never heard of it. Then I saw this:

[Rhonda] Byrne re-introduces a pseudo-scientific notion originally popularized by persons such as Madame Blavatsky and Norman Vincent Peale, which suggests that thinking about certain things will make them appear in one’s life.

and when I saw ‘Madame Blavatsky’ I instantly realized it was 100% pure, unadulterated bullshit.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 3, 2017 • 11:41:04pm

re: #61 goddamnedfrank

I don’t think it’s admitting being wrong per se that’s the problem, it’s the connected realization that they’ve been complicit for years, in most cases their entire adult lives that’s presents the emotional hurdle.

Subconsciously they’re terrified of how that admission will injure their egos and wound their sense of self worth.

Conservatism is something like religion. In religious tussles with hard-core Fundamentalist types, I note the problem is that they confuse “what they believe” with “who they are.” As an atheist, when I say “I don’t believe you” to someone making yet another religious pitch to me, they don’t take it as a disagreement over what to believe. They take it as a personal insult. I haven’t repudiated their belief, I have repudiated him or her personally.

The same seems to apply to many conservative supporters. If I say “I don’t accept your political proposition about X,” they take it as a personal attack.

Someone who is arguing their position in good faith [not religious] can see he or she needs to provide evidence for an assertion (say, tax cuts spur growth) to overcome my scepticism.

Instead, in person it’s “you simply don’t understand how it works” (or for the more assholish ones, “you don’t have a real education”), and on the Internet, out come the pithy insults such as “libtard” or “social justice warrior.”

I am open to be convinced of a particular conservative (or religious) proposition with good arguments or evidence to back it.

Simply not accepting a proposition on its face is just like the Fundamentalist I mention above: I have rejected him or her, not his or her proposition. (Religious people are compelled to use the word “rejection” as well. They cannot imagine a person who simply does not accept the truth of their propositions without evidence, therefore you must be actively rejecting them.)

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Single-handed sailor  Sep 3, 2017 • 11:41:51pm

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 3, 2017 • 11:48:14pm

Tropical disturbance forms in the Bay of Campeche. Chance of development into a tropical cyclone in five days is 30%.

The disturbance floating along behind Irma is up to 70%. It is also farther south, making the Gulf a potential target.

nhc.noaa.gov

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 3, 2017 • 11:55:04pm

Tonight’s cute guinea pig picture from Twitter in memory of Curious Lurker:

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 3, 2017 • 11:58:59pm

From Juanita Jean’s: The World’s Most Dangerous Beauty Salon:

Okay, here’s the deal.

Houston had the equivalent of a Great Lake dumped on her.

Los Angles is having the largest fire in history.

Half a million acres are on fire in Montana, which is pretty much the entire state.

San Francisco is having record breaking heat, 106 degrees today.

Hurricane Irma is looking like she’s gonna explode somewhere on the east coast.

And now Donald Trump tells us that we need to worry about North Korea.

We don’t have damn time.

We have to worry about fire and water.*

juanitajean.com

*Ann Coulter wants you to know that this has nothing to do with climate change. Apparently, it’s all just real bad luck.

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Jebediah, RBG  Sep 4, 2017 • 12:02:48am

re: #52 goddamnedfrank
You’re absolutely right, of course.
Things like what city to start a campaign and the theme of the speech are carefully chosen and planned.
Reagan’s choice was very telling and very disgusting.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 4, 2017 • 12:17:32am

re: #69 Jebediah, RBG

You’re absolutely right, of course.
Things like what city to start a campaign and the theme of the speech are carefully chosen and planned.
Reagan’s choice was very telling and very disgusting.

Especially when that choice is some bumfuck nowhere town whose only real claim to fame is being a giant mass grave for dozens of lynched black Americans and murdered civil rights workers.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 4, 2017 • 12:26:33am
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I feel like almost every Republican position ends up being built on a foundation of raw, unvarnished privilege.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 4, 2017 • 12:27:46am

re: #69 Jebediah, RBG

You’re absolutely right, of course.
Things like what city to start a campaign and the theme of the speech are carefully chosen and planned.
Reagan’s choice was very telling and very disgusting.

That was the first election I was eligible to vote in.

That single choice was why I decided the GOP was not for me (already sceptical after President Nixon’s time in office). In all the decades since, I have not seen why that choice was wrong.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 4, 2017 • 12:31:22am

re: #71 goddamnedfrank

Right In The Middle @MiDHtoo
Replying to @goddamnedfrank @LAustyanJulian

Did they say this? If so, that’s certainly worse than Bush who was following his biblical beliefs with integrity.

“Biblical beliefs” are not what I look for in a President.

Was his lying about Iraq and ordering a war that killed hundreds of thousands of people in a country that did us no harm, caused the rise of a terrible terrorist group, created numerous dead soldiers and disabled veterans (they subsequently don’t want to fund) “following his Biblical [that word should be capitalised /pedant] beliefs with integrity?”

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 4, 2017 • 12:33:56am

And how does he feel about Trump, if Biblical beliefs are so important to him?

Does he pray and meditate on the verses in the Book of Pussy-Grabbing, the Parable of Stiffing your Workers, and the Psalm of Casino Management?

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 4, 2017 • 1:07:57am

re: #75 goddamnedfrank

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Will conservative religious wingnut ever give up on this? (I already know the answer to that.)

Marriage existed long before any Christian church hijacked the idea. And marriage is not about Tab A, Slot B, get it over quick.

That stupid printout is not much better than those who argue that marriage is for procreation. “Oh good, then you’re saying my marriage is invalid? Elderly people, infertile people, &c?”

They’ll immediately back off “well I didn’t mean those people.”

Yes, it’s all about bigotry.

No different than anti-miscegenation laws, which made precisely the same complaints (it’s biology not bigotry).

For people who claim they don’t like “big government,” conservatives have all my life wanted to stick every aspect of government into personal lives.

Someone needs to take the seatbelt image above and insert a third image, a GOP elephant. That is an unnatural marriage, a political party inserting itself into every one.

Good thing they see the important stuff and not minor things like foreign interference in our elections, graft at the highest levels of governance, &c.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 4, 2017 • 1:11:04am

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 4, 2017 • 1:18:39am

Juanita Jean announced that their Website team won the grand prize in the Virtual Race Across Texas.

They are going to auction off the grand prize and give the money to the Texas Democratic Party Ballot-by-Mail Programme.

raceacrosstexas.com (with a list of the things making up the grand prize and a description of the contest)

juanitajean.com

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 4, 2017 • 1:24:13am

sfist.com (more at the link)

A suspected arsonist who also got into a confrontation with a fellow motorist following a crash Wednesday morning — in which he allegedly brandished a gun — is in custody and has been since just minutes after a wildfire was reported near the site of the crash. The fire near Grizzly Peak Boulevard and Fish Ranch Road in the Oakland/Berkeley Hills was first reported at 1:06 p.m. Wednesday and grew to 20 acres by Wednesday night, thoroughly scaring residents of these hills where a devastating firestorm destroyed thousands of homes in 1991.

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Chrysicat  Sep 4, 2017 • 1:56:38am
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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 4, 2017 • 2:08:51am

Heavy has a map and links to official sites, along with user-generated maps, showing where the so-called La Tuna Fire is located. It is threatening Burbank and nearby areas. Interstate 210 was closed after the fire jumped the freeway.

Governor Jerry Brown (D) called a state of emergency for Los Angeles County; the fire is being touted as the largest in LA history.

heavy.com

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Chrysicat  Sep 4, 2017 • 2:11:45am
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Timothy Watson  Sep 4, 2017 • 2:13:38am
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But Trump’s travel ban is totally cool.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 4, 2017 • 2:23:22am

Tonight’s low: 52F. Currently, 47F in smoke.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 4, 2017 • 2:27:35am

National Hurricane Center in its latest forecast track of Irma has adjusted it further south. Now the track carries it right along the Cuban coastline to the Straits of Florida.

It is still moving WSW.

Projecting that track beyond five days carries Irma into the Gulf of Mexico, missing Florida.

nhc.noaa.gov

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Chrysicat  Sep 4, 2017 • 2:42:23am

re: #85 Anymouse 🌹

National Hurricane Center in its latest forecast track of Irma has adjusted it further south. Now the track carries it right along the Cuban coastline to the Straits of Florida.

It is still moving WSW.

Projecting that track beyond five days carries Irma into the Gulf of Mexico, missing Florida.

nhc.noaa.gov

Dare I ask where in the Western Gulf that track leads? There are really only two answers and neither one can take a hurricane straight-on this week…

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 4, 2017 • 2:59:33am

re: #86 Chrysicat

Dare I ask where in the Western Gulf that track leads? There are really only two answers and neither one can take a hurricane straight-on this week…

Well, after five days any predictions are crap, and even on the fifth day the track can be off by 300 nautical miles.

That said, all the models are in tight agreement as to where it will be in five days (near the central Cuban north coast).

Once it passes Cuba, it is going to hit something. The northerly recurve of the hurricane will happen after it passes the high pressure ridge, which doesn’t appear to happen in the next five days.

It would then depend on how fast it recurves. It doesn’t have to get really close to east Texas or west Louisiana to be a disaster on top of a disaster though: The NHC is predicting as it closes in on North America it will blow up in size. It is still an annular hurricane, so it is unlikely to have negative effects on its growth (and the western Atlantic and Gulf of Mexico are very warn now, and there is no dry air in the area).

Right now Irma is Category III.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 4, 2017 • 3:11:37am

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JordanRules  Sep 4, 2017 • 3:25:35am
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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 4, 2017 • 3:38:25am

So Mexico is sending giant taco trucks? /s

I’ve had a horrible headache for two days now. It’s not a migraine; I don’t know what’s going on in my cabeza. I’m going to try to drag off to the rack and see if I can sleep (yesterday was miserable in that department). Probably not the smoke from the Montana fires - I can’t really smell anything though there is a bit of haze.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 4, 2017 • 5:09:34am

My air conditioner finally got my apartment down to 82. Had a good night’s sleep now awaiting the latest horror from the Turd in the Cracker White Shack…

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lawhawk  Sep 4, 2017 • 5:19:35am

Greets and saluts from the Resistance in the NYC metro area.

EPA attacks journalists reporting on EPA incompetence and failures to do their jobs in the wake of Harvey. That’s entirely predictable given Trump has promoted a know-nothing saboteur to run the agency. Who cares how much bad stuff leaks out and gets into the waterways and soil. Not their concern. Regulation is costly to enforce, so why bother when corporations can make more money dumping crap into the communities they’re located in.

Then we get to Trump screwing over some of his most vocal supporters - in Michigan, Iraqi Christians voted for Trump and helped deliver the state for Trump.

Now they’re fighting to avoid deportations because Trump’s ending DACA.

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jeffreyw  Sep 4, 2017 • 5:31:58am

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dangerman  Sep 4, 2017 • 5:34:54am

re: #32 The Ghost of a Flea

Swap out hurricane with any other bad thing that happens.

Observe how this solves the problem of theodicy by making the sad little mortal feel responsible for their own suffering, because the omnipotent being knows they can cope.

Observe how this also solves the problem of megachurch pastors and patrons who worry they that might have to reach out and help others, because the suffering of the suffering was made for them, bespoke.

Like the just world fallacy with ‘roid rage.

What’s Joel gonna say if it turns out that in fact there is no god?

Or if there is and (s)he is either not omnipotent or testing our resolve was not the plan?

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Chrysicat  Sep 4, 2017 • 5:42:56am

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I feel like almost every Republican position ends up being built on a foundation of raw, unvarnished privilege.

And the resurgent commies feel the same about anyone who doesn’t want to nationalise every business over 40 employees, and ‘re-educate’ the entire family of anyone who had a million-dollar home. Nothing like being attacked from both sides, the fire on the left flank stronger than at any time in my lifetime!

And yet my mother calls me a radical leftist because I’m in favour of most of what Antifa does, and didn’t refuse to vote for both Hil and the Yam a year ago.

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dangerman  Sep 4, 2017 • 5:50:24am

re: #64 Anymouse 🌹

Conservatism is something like religion. In religious tussles with hard-core Fundamentalist types, I note the problem is that they confuse “what they believe” with “who they are.” As an atheist, when I say “I don’t believe you” to someone making yet another religious pitch to me, they don’t take it as a disagreement over what to believe. They take it as a personal insult. I haven’t repudiated their belief, I have repudiated him or her personally.

The same seems to apply to many conservative supporters. If I say “I don’t accept your political proposition about X,” they take it as a personal attack.

Someone who is arguing their position in good faith [not religious] can see he or she needs to provide evidence for an assertion (say, tax cuts spur growth) to overcome my scepticism.

Instead, in person it’s “you simply don’t understand how it works” (or for the more assholish ones, “you don’t have a real education”), and on the Internet, out come the pithy insults such as “libtard” or “social justice warrior.”

I am open to be convinced of a particular conservative (or religious) proposition with good arguments or evidence to back it.

Simply not accepting a proposition on its face is just like the Fundamentalist I mention above: I have rejected him or her, not his or her proposition. (Religious people are compelled to use the word “rejection” as well. They cannot imagine a person who simply does not accept the truth of their propositions without evidence, therefore you must be actively rejecting them.)

They are asserting their belief in something….ie without proof is in fact reality…belief that..Something is objectively true

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dangerman  Sep 4, 2017 • 5:52:46am

re: #69 Jebediah, RBG

You’re absolutely right, of course.
Things like what city to start a campaign and the theme of the speech are carefully chosen and planned.
Reagan’s choice was very telling and very disgusting.

” Do you think they picked it at random?”

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Romantic Heretic  Sep 4, 2017 • 6:00:38am

re: #24 Stanley Sea

Don’t know that but I do know the second most common method of women dying in ‘The Wild West’ was burning to death. Cooking over open fires, clothes soaked in spatter, WHOOSH!

Most common of course was childbirth.

Ah, The Good Old Days. ///

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Decatur Deb  Sep 4, 2017 • 6:10:04am

re: #39 Anymouse 🌹

#26 EPR-radar

tr*mp is the worst US president ever. There are several other awful presidents, but none of them is even a close #2.

Warren G. Harding and James Buchanan heave sighs of relief.

The Creek, Seminole, and Cherokee Dreamers insist that Andrew Jackson get a Lifetime Achievement Award.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2017 • 6:10:05am

re: #99 dangerman

They are asserting their belief in something….ie without proof is in fact reality…belief that..Something is objectively true

I like the Free Market and support it wherever it fulfills its intended role: to balance supply and demand and to direct flows of capital to where it brings the most benefits: to both producers and consumers, both employers and employees.

Too many Free market ideologues forget about that.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 4, 2017 • 6:13:33am

re: #97 dangerman

What’s Joel gonna say if it turns out that in fact there is no god?

Or if there is and (s)he is either not omnipotent or testing our resolve was not the plan?

Osteen knows fucking well that there is no God, or he wouldn’t engage in risky business.

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Sep 4, 2017 • 6:15:59am

I really don’t understand the mentality of Joe Walsh and Republicans when they say Dreamers should hold their parents responsible for their deportation since they were the ones who broke the law. If a child is present when their parent breaks the law we take that child into protective custody, we don’t charge the child. A kid in a car seat while parent robs a bank is not charged as an accessory.

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I cannot.  Sep 4, 2017 • 6:16:55am

re: #105 Flying Squirrel Girl

Because brown people.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2017 • 6:19:21am

re: #106 I cannot.

Because brown people.

because anchor babies

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HappyWarrior  Sep 4, 2017 • 6:24:41am

re: #93 JordanRules

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HappyWarrior  Sep 4, 2017 • 6:28:16am

re: #105 Flying Squirrel Girl

I really don’t understand the mentality of Joe Walsh and Republicans when they say Dreamers should hold their parents responsible for their deportation since they were the ones who broke the law. If a child is present when their parent breaks the law we take that child into protective custody, we don’t charge the child. A kid in a car seat while parent robs a bank is not charged as an accessory.

Furthermore more being undocumented is a civil violation not a criminal one. Our FP by people like aforementioned Reagan fucks up places like El Salvador and then they’re shocked that people may want to leave. And just “emigrate legally like mine did” ignores that many of these people are fleeing extreme poverty and violence.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 4, 2017 • 6:32:50am

Trump is pushing NK’s buttons, hoping for a war. His thinking?

“You can’t impeach a wartime president”.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 4, 2017 • 6:35:59am

It would have been better if DACA was implemented legislatively but it also would be even better if the GOP wasn’t the modern equivalent of the Know Nothing Party on immigration. And then there are con men like Rubio and Cruz who love to talk about their immigrant parents but throw other immigrants under the bus to keep favor with the bigoted GOP base.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 4, 2017 • 6:37:53am

re: #110 GlutenFreeJesus

Trump is pushing NK’s buttons, hoping for a war. His thinking?

“You can’t impeach a wartime president”.

“Our boys girls will be home by Christmas lunch.”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 4, 2017 • 6:42:56am

So long, mom,
Trump’s off to drop the bomb,
So don’t wait up for me.
But while you swelter
Right in your megachurch shelter,
You can see me
On your tv.
While we’re attacking frontally,
Watch Fox and Friends and Hannity,
Describing very nattily
The cities we have lost.
No need for you to miss a minute
Of the agonizing holocaust. (yeah!)

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dangerman  Sep 4, 2017 • 6:44:20am

re: #103 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I like the Free Market and support it wherever it fulfills its intended role: to balance supply and demand and to direct flows of capital to where it brings the most benefits: to both producers and consumers, both employers and employees.

Too many Free market ideologues forget about that.

yup. it works great when there are lots of small players of roughly equal size and power.

otherwisr its not an actual free market

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Decatur Deb  Sep 4, 2017 • 6:46:08am

Black Lung Matters

president (sic)Trump has nominated a former coal executive whose company clashed with federal officials over mining safety rules under President Obama to the top mining safety post in his administration…

…”Trump on Friday named David Zatezalo, the former chairman of Rhino Resources, to be an assistant secretary of Labor overseeing the Mine Safety and Health Administration (MSHA). The position is currently vacant, according to the Department of Labor’s website…”

“…Zatezalo is nominated to fill the position previously held by Joe Main, Obama’s pick for the post who had a lengthy resume in mining safety, including overseeing safety programs for the United Mine Workers of America (UMWA)…”

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dangerman  Sep 4, 2017 • 6:47:25am

re: #105 Flying Squirrel Girl

I really don’t understand the mentality of Joe Walsh and Republicans when they say Dreamers should hold their parents responsible for their deportation since they were the ones who broke the law. If a child is present when their parent breaks the law we take that child into protective custody, we don’t charge the child. A kid in a car seat while parent robs a bank is not charged as an accessory.

“when they got old enough to understand their position they should have voluntarily left their families and self deported. “

/s

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HappyWarrior  Sep 4, 2017 • 6:49:03am

re: #115 Decatur Deb

Black Lung Matters

president (sic)Trump has nominated a former coal executive whose company clashed with federal officials over mining safety rules under President Obama to the top mining safety post in his administration…

…”Trump on Friday named David Zatezalo, the former chairman of Rhino Resources, to be an assistant secretary of Labor overseeing the Mine Safety and Health Administration (MSHA). The position is currently vacant, according to the Department of Labor’s website…”

“…Zatezalo is nominated to fill the position previously held by Joe Main, Obama’s pick for the post who had a lengthy resume in mining safety, including overseeing safety programs for the United Mine Workers of America (UMWA)…”

thehill.com

I’m happy to announce a fox to guard our hen house.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 4, 2017 • 6:51:02am

re: #117 HappyWarrior

I’m happy to announce a fox to guard our hen house.

Any miner who goes underground under this regime is a scab or a fool.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 4, 2017 • 7:00:22am

re: #118 Decatur Deb

Any miner who goes underground under this regime is a scab or a fool.

…but they got Jay-Zuss!

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Decatur Deb  Sep 4, 2017 • 7:06:51am

re: #119 Joe Bacon 🌹

…but they got Jay-Zuss!

They had John L. Lewis.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 4, 2017 • 7:08:13am

re: #120 Decatur Deb

They had John L. Lewis.

Yep my mom’s parents and grandparents loved Lewis. Almost as much as FDR and actual Jesus.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 4, 2017 • 7:11:13am

re: #120 Decatur Deb

They sure did. And he took no shaving cream off of anyone! If it wasn’t for Lewis setting up the CIO, Grandpa and Grandma Bacon wouldn’t have been able to organize the J&L and American Bridge strikes that established the United Steelworkers Union!

But the Republican 24/7 Bullshit Machine stepped in and has effectively brainwashed them into becoming drones for Wall Street.

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Belafon  Sep 4, 2017 • 7:11:21am

re: #55 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i have found it remarkable how much energy republicans of all types will put into arguing away the obvious

Admitting you’re wrong is the hardest thing humans do. It’s easier to cut off a finger.

Edit: And the longer you go, and the more mistakes made in your name, the harder it gets.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 4, 2017 • 7:14:47am

re: #122 Joe Bacon 🌹

…But the Republican 24/7 Bullshit Machine stepped in and has effectively brainwashed them into becoming drones for Wall Street.

Truly frightening.

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Jay C  Sep 4, 2017 • 7:19:14am

re: #119 Joe Bacon 🌹

…but they got Jay-Zuss!

Yes: but what they also have* - without those coal jobs - is a future of bleak destitution in a poor and backward region with virtually no economic opportunities (outside coal): and such opportunities as there are beyond the educational attainments of most of the workforce.
So what they have is sounds mainly like desperation: safety considerations aren’t so vital….

*as far as I know: it’s a facile analysis, but I’ll gratefully accept clarification

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Belafon  Sep 4, 2017 • 7:19:34am

re: #89 JordanRules

Hopefully sent in taco trucks.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 4, 2017 • 7:24:52am

re: #125 Jay C

Yes: but what they also have* - without those coal jobs - is a future of bleak destitution in a poor and backward region with virtually no economic opportunities (outside coal): and such opportunities as there are beyond the educational attainments of most of the workforce.
So what they have is sounds mainly like desperation: safety considerations aren’t so vital….

*as far as I know: it’s a facile analysis, but I’ll gratefully accept clarification

And what they are being offered today is pretty much the same, with less chance of insurance paying for the oxygen.

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Belafon  Sep 4, 2017 • 7:26:51am

re: #75 goddamnedfrank

This would be too much of an inside joke to be used, but in context:

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Jay C  Sep 4, 2017 • 7:39:29am

re: #127 Decatur Deb

And what they are being offered today is pretty much the same, ith less chance of insurance paying for the oxygen.

I’ve been struck by the -at least, superficial - similarities between the Trump (Mal-)Administration’s coal policies, and those of the British Governments of the 1960s and ’70s: both seemed bent on expensively sustaining outdated and un-economic extraction industries for political purposes. Though the Brits (as their coal mines were nationalized) focused on maintaining full-employment among the (highly-organized and highly-militant) unionized workforce. Here, though - in the homeland of Holy Private Enterprise - the focus seems (for now) to be on tweaking removing safety and environmental regulations to try to boost the owners’ bottom line; and hope that enough will trickle down to keep enough miners employed. And voting Republican, of course.
Coal may not be a “dying” industry just yet, but it seems to have reached a plateau - as the British coal industry did by the mid-’70s. While direct subsidies don;t seem to be (AFAIK) in the cards yet, I’m sure that somewhere in the recesses of the Trump regime, a direct-support plan is gathering dust in drawer somewhere: for alll that the GOP loves to crow about “free markets”, when votes (and donations) are on the line, it’s amazing what they will be willing to spend (of taxpayers’ money).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2017 • 7:41:49am

re: #129 Jay C

While direct subsidies don;t seem to be (AFAIK) in the cards yet, I’m sure that somewhere in the recesses of the Trump regime, a direct-support plan is gathering dust in drawer somewhere: for alll that the GOP loves to crow about “free markets”, when votes (and donations) are on the line, it’s amazing what they will be willing to spend (of taxpayers’ money).

They will not resort to direct subsidies until all the indirect ones have been exhausted…and still proven not to make the mines profitable.

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ObserverArt  Sep 4, 2017 • 7:47:31am

Wasn’t there some question about Melania and her own citizenship as to whether she was documented?

Maybe someone needs to tell Trump his son Barron could also be considered a “dreamer” and what would he feel like if his own son was taken from him and he and Melania shipped back to Slovenia?

Anyone think it may trigger a sympathetic thought in his tiny brain?

Nah, probably not. He really seems incapable of thinking of others.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 4, 2017 • 7:49:21am

re: #34 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

The vast, layered petticoats and hoop skirts so beloved of female Confederate nostalgists were a massive fire hazard. They were not only inflammable, they were very difficult to put on or remove in a hurry. One reason they were fashionable was that they required assistance to get into, implying that the wearer had slave girls at hand and was therefore wealthy. There are horrifying stories of them catching fire and roasting the unfortunate belle alive.

Santiago, Chile Church of the Company fire

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Unshaken Defiance  Sep 4, 2017 • 7:53:08am

re: #81 Anymouse

It’s the largest in LA City history. But that’s really misleading. This one feels big because of proximity to suburbia. It’s in our collective faces. In August 2009 we had the Station Fire. It burned a big chunk of northern Los Angeles. 160,000 acres. 89 homes went up. This one might get to 1/10th the size.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 4, 2017 • 7:54:16am

re: #132 The Vicious Babushka

I’d never heard of that particular disaster. Makes the Cocoanut Grove look like a Cub Scout campfire.

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The Spite House  Sep 4, 2017 • 7:55:43am
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Targetpractice  Sep 4, 2017 • 7:59:05am

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Fuck over workers today in order to appease the party’s rapidly aging base today.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 4, 2017 • 7:59:58am

re: #136 Targetpractice

Fuck over workers today in order to appease the party’s rapidly aging base today.

Once again, the literal definition of, “Fuck you, I got mine.”

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ObserverArt  Sep 4, 2017 • 8:07:11am

re: #137 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Once again, the literal definition of, “Fuck you, I got mine.”

Isn’t it more like: “Fuck you, I got mine, and I am going to take even more from you!”

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HappyWarrior  Sep 4, 2017 • 8:07:18am

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Dear Blue Collar people who voted for Trump thinking he cared abou them. Y’all just got punked and Ashton’s not coming out to have a good laugh with you.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 4, 2017 • 8:07:47am

re: #139 ObserverArt

Isn’t it more like: “Fuck you, I got mine, and I am going to take even more from you!”

Yes, yes it is. Republicans are fine with raising taxes on the middle class but heaven forbid you do it on their donor base.

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Targetpractice  Sep 4, 2017 • 8:08:05am

They’re pulling the same shit with 401Ks that they did with SS, fucking over the younger folk to look out for their aging base.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 4, 2017 • 8:10:25am

re: #139 ObserverArt

Isn’t it more like: “Fuck you, I got mine, and I am going to take even more from you!”

I think my thought is more along the lines of, “Fuck you, I’m taking mine, and I’m going to make sure there’s no way you can get yours.”

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jaunte  Sep 4, 2017 • 8:12:34am

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lawhawk  Sep 4, 2017 • 8:15:05am

Tax the 401k? Yeah, that’s a tax on the middle class that more than wipes out that supposed 1-3% tax cut on the marginal rate that might happen (and is still a fraction of the rate drop the top tax bracket sees when it goes from 39.6% to 35% or 33% or what have you (this is basic math).

More than a few middle class folks will see their tax cuts wiped out by the 401k tax, the entire purpose of which is to fund corporate tax cuts - cuts that aren’t encouraging growth or job creation because corporations are already in a period of record profits and still aren’t creating jobs or increasing wages. It’s all accruing wealth in corporate structures and millionaires who are able to invest (and benefit from tax breaks on investments).

The GOP runs a scam and now intends to gut one of the ways the middle class has to invest in a tax preferred vehicle because other retirement vehicles are no longer offered - aka the pension. The decline of the pension is also tied to the decline of union strength and membership.

So it’s not without a sense of irony on this Labor Day that the GOP is pushing tax plans that screw workers and the makers in favor of the millionaires like Trump who think only to take from others.

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Unshaken Defiance  Sep 4, 2017 • 8:17:32am

re: #143 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

re: #142 Targetpractice

re: #141 HappyWarrior

They say “But Hillary”. Then I say, “yes because “”Hillary”” with air quotes your paranoia that she would hurt you or the country led you to vote for a man that never served, was a decades long demonstrable real estate con man of massive ego and irresponsible ways. Oh and you forgot to admit your animus for the black guys policies like ACA and DACA. But it shows”.

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Renaissance_Man  Sep 4, 2017 • 8:18:20am

I actually think we have entered a new era of Republican policies, brought about by the election of Trump (though not in the way you might think). Previous Republican policymakers have attempted to harm those that won’t vote for them in order to give to their base - steal from programs that benefit Democrat voters and give to the rich. Trickle-down policies were a lie told to Americans to make them believe that giving public money to rich people would ultimately benefit them as well. The common thread in this, though, is at least the appearance of trying to benefit Republican voters, even if it’s vapourware, even if it’s a blatant lie.

I think we’re moving past that. Republican policymakers have now seen that Republican voters will vote for anything at all, and so it doesn’t matter if you even try to convince people that taking their money and giving it to rich people is for their own good. In effect, they are realising that the control their media has over their voters is absolute. There no longer is a need, then, to pretend that their policies will help them. They can literally say, ‘this is to help the rich. Fuck you. You will be poorer and your family sicker. But you will still vote for us, because you hate Democrats.’ And they will be correct.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 4, 2017 • 8:20:03am

re: #145 lawhawk

Tax the 401k? Yeah, that’s a tax on the middle class that more than wipes out that supposed 1-3% tax cut on the marginal rate that might happen (and is still a fraction of the rate drop the top tax bracket sees when it goes from 39.6% to 35% or 33% or what have you (this is basic math).

More than a few middle class folks will see their tax cuts wiped out by the 401k tax, the entire purpose of which is to fund corporate tax cuts - cuts that aren’t encouraging growth or job creation because corporations are already in a period of record profits and still aren’t creating jobs or increasing wages. It’s all accruing wealth in corporate structures and millionaires who are able to invest (and benefit from tax breaks on investments).

The GOP runs a scam and now intends to gut one of the ways the middle class has to invest in a tax preferred vehicle because other retirement vehicles are no longer offered - aka the pension. The decline of the pension is also tied to the decline of union strength and membership.

So it’s not without a sense of irony on this Labor Day that the GOP is pushing tax plans that screw workers and the makers in favor of the millionaires like Trump who think only to take from others.

It’s probably a deliberate insult that this news and the naming of the bogus Mine Safety administrator broke on Labor Day weekend. We are dealing with psychos.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 4, 2017 • 8:21:22am

re: #41 Jebediah, RBG

He doesn’t want to do it?
Then who is FORCING him to do it? We’ve seen plenty of times that he doesn’t accept any direction or control. So who is making him do this against his will?
He fucking wants to do it, mostly because he is a giant festering asshole.

What he wants is to get the credit from his base for doing it, while not getting shredded by everyone else for doing it. It’s like when he says, “I’m not going to say this” and then says it.

Yes, he’s a racist, but the racism isn’t as important to him as the adulation.

He’s going racist now because nobody else loves him, and he gets a quick hit of extreme adulation from his base. But that’s not enough. It’s never been enough. He wants the New York Times to love him. He wants the smart people, the Elites, to love him. What is it someone called it? “Outer Borough Inferiority Complex”? He wants the people he’s always wanted to be one of to accept him.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 4, 2017 • 8:28:02am

re: #147 Renaissance_Man

If you heard the callers I deal with at work you’d be amazed at the proof they give to what you posted. Especially those on SSI Disability whining about colored folks and queers getting everything given to them so they can goof off all the time…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 4, 2017 • 8:30:09am

re: #152 lawhawk

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Amory Blaine  Sep 4, 2017 • 8:30:16am

re: #151 Joe Bacon 🌹

Make them own that shit. Inform them that not turning in fraud makes them part of the conspiracy. Make them name names.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2017 • 8:31:26am

re: #152 lawhawk

August 2017: Donald Trump said he wanted significant curbs on legal immigration

Remember the “beautiful door” in that Wall he was gonna build?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 4, 2017 • 8:32:25am

re: #152 lawhawk

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lawhawk  Sep 4, 2017 • 8:33:10am

re: #155 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And the windows you can see through so you don’t get whacked on the head when the drug cartels toss bundles of heroin and cocaine over the wall.

You know - a wall that morphs into a fence, which morphs into nothing where there are natural barriers like rivers, mountains, and deserts.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 4, 2017 • 8:34:30am

re: #154 Amory Blaine

Make them own that shit. Inform them that not turning in fraud makes them part of the conspiracy. Make them name names.

When they rant you will always hear Fox News, Rush, Mikey Teeney Weeney, Levin, other Hate Radio assholes or Right Wing Pulipt Pimping Preachers in the background.

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Belafon  Sep 4, 2017 • 8:35:19am

re: #135 The Spite House

revenue raisers such as eliminating the deduction for state and local taxes — a benefit that disproportionately hits taxpayers in high-cost states like California, New York, New Jersey and Massachusetts

States that pay for the moochers conservative states.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 4, 2017 • 8:36:59am

CBS News alert posting that Darling Nikki at the UN says North Korea is begging for war…

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Amory Blaine  Sep 4, 2017 • 8:39:24am

Canada should welcome the dreamers with open arms. A ready made labor force of hard working educated people would no doubt be a boon to their culture and economy.

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Skip Intro  Sep 4, 2017 • 8:40:22am

re: #115 Decatur Deb

Black Lung Matters

president (sic)Trump has nominated a former coal executive whose company clashed with federal officials over mining safety rules under President Obama to the top mining safety post in his administration…

…”Trump on Friday named David Zatezalo, the former chairman of Rhino Resources, to be an assistant secretary of Labor overseeing the Mine Safety and Health Administration (MSHA). The position is currently vacant, according to the Department of Labor’s website…”

“…Zatezalo is nominated to fill the position previously held by Joe Main, Obama’s pick for the post who had a lengthy resume in mining safety, including overseeing safety programs for the United Mine Workers of America (UMWA)…”

thehill.com

If mine owners were any good at protecting the lives of miners we wouldn’t need a Mine Safety and Health Administration.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 4, 2017 • 8:42:08am

For something close to 3 centuries, America, even before the Revolution, was composed of people who weren’t satisfied where they were. Americans kept pushing West, unsatisfied with where we were, leaving the satisfied ones behind, as more of the dissatisfied came here.

Now, the folks whose ancestors were satisified with where they were 200 years ago want to squeeze off the flow of the dissatisfied.

I’d argue that the immigrants who come here for a better life are MORE American than the ones who would never dream of moving from their hometown to look for a better life.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 4, 2017 • 8:42:41am

re: #162 Skip Intro

If mine owners were any good at protecting the lives of miners we wouldn’t need a Mine Safety and Health Administration.

Nor would we if the managers of dead miners were handed over to the widows.

But we live in civilized times…

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HappyWarrior  Sep 4, 2017 • 8:44:39am

re: #162 Skip Intro

If mine owners were any good at protecting the lives of miners we wouldn’t need a Mine Safety and Health Administration.

Exactly.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 4, 2017 • 8:47:35am

re: #103 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I like the Free Market and support it wherever it fulfills its intended role: to balance supply and demand and to direct flows of capital to where it brings the most benefits: to both producers and consumers, both employers and employees.

Too many Free market ideologues forget about that.

“Free” market only works if there is a sufficiently big government to restrain it and keep it honest and competitive. Otherwise it descends into monopolies that suppress any challengers and silence any opposition.

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Skip Intro  Sep 4, 2017 • 8:48:04am

re: #160 Joe Bacon 🌹

CBS News alert posting that Darling Nikki at the UN says North Korea is begging for war…

Is she bitching about having to work on another holiday?

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 4, 2017 • 8:49:37am

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HELPING THE MIDDLE CLASS!!!!

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 4, 2017 • 8:51:13am

re: #164 Decatur Deb

Nor would we if the managers of dead miners were handed over to the widows.

But we live in civilized times…

It’s not the managers that need the punishment; most of them are striving to maintain a comfortable, but not particularly lavish, lifestyle for their families. It is only if the CEOs and top officers of companies are impoverished and imprisoned for their crimes that we can have justice. I am still infuriated that BP executives escaped any real punishment for their crimes against this planet and their murder of their workers.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 4, 2017 • 8:55:08am

re: #166 Hecuba’s daughter

“Free” market only works if there is a sufficiently big government to restrain it and keep it honest and competitive. Otherwise it descends into monopolies that suppress any challengers and silence any opposition.

All about externalities:

In economics, an externality is the cost or benefit that affects a party who did not choose to incur that cost or benefit.[1] Economists often urge governments to adopt policies that “internalize” an externality, so that costs and benefits will affect mainly parties who choose to incur them.[2]

For example, manufacturing activities that cause air pollution impose health and clean-up costs on the whole society, whereas the neighbors of an individual who chooses to fire-proof his home may benefit from a reduced risk of a fire spreading to their own houses. If external costs exist, such as pollution, the producer may choose to produce more of the product than would be produced if the producer were required to pay all associated environmental costs. Because responsibility or consequence for self-directed action lies partly outside the self, an element of externalization is involved. If there are external benefits, such as in public safety, less of the good may be produced than would be the case if the producer were to receive payment for the external benefits to others. For the purpose of these statements, overall cost and benefit to society is defined as the sum of the imputed monetary value of benefits and costs to all parties involved.[3][4] Thus, unregulated markets in goods or services with significant externalities generate prices that do not reflect the full social cost or benefit of their transactions; such markets are therefore inefficient.

en.wikipedia.org

Probably one of the most interesting things I learned about in economics.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 4, 2017 • 8:55:09am

re: #168 The Vicious Babushka

HELPING THE MIDDLE CLASS!!!!

In Trumplandia there are two classes—Us and Them. You’re “Them”.

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ObserverArt  Sep 4, 2017 • 8:56:37am

re: #162 Skip Intro

If mine owners were any good at protecting the lives of miners we wouldn’t need a Mine Safety and Health Administration.

Same thinking as; if business owners concerned themselves with the lives of their workers, wanted to share the wealth fairly and created good working conditions we would never need unions.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 4, 2017 • 9:00:10am

re: #169 Hecuba’s daughter

It’s not the managers that need the punishment; most of them are striving to maintain a comfortable, but not particularly lavish, lifestyle for their families. It is only if the CEOs and top officers of companies are impoverished and imprisoned for their crimes that we can have justice. I am still infuriated that BP executives escaped any real punishment for their crimes against this planet and their murder of their workers.

I think this misplaces the responsibility a bit. Yeah, CEOs, Officers, and Boards of Directors bear responsibility, but the thing is, they’re all just hirelings. Shareholders hire them to make them money. You may punish the hirelings with prison, fines, etc. But the OWNERS who hired them and encouraged the behavior will never lose more than their original investment.

This is how and why corporations were created, to protect the owners from losing more than their original investment. If a Billion Dollar Company does 10 Billion dollars damage, where does the extra 9 Billion come from? You can sell all the assets of the company, default on the bonds and fire all the workers, and the owners just lose whatever they paid for the stock.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 4, 2017 • 9:00:51am

re: #161 Amory Blaine

Canada should welcome the dreamers with open arms. A ready made labor force of hard working educated people would no doubt be a boon to their culture and economy.

To be honest, I don’t think Canada really want’s to increase their population by 2%, nor increase their labor force by an even higher percentile.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 4, 2017 • 9:01:29am

re: #102 Decatur Deb

#26 EPR-radar

—tr*mp is the worst US president ever. There are several other awful presidents, but none of them is even a close #2 —.

The Creek, Seminole, and Cherokee Dreamers insist that Andrew Jackson get a Lifetime Achievement Award.

By most measures, Trump seems the worst president ever. None of the others were suspected of being traitors or willing to sell us out to enrich himself. That said, there is a lot of evil many prior ones committed while in office. Trump has not as yet reached the body count (both Americans and others) that arose because of the policies pursued by Nixon in Viet Nam or Bush 43 in Iraq or Jackson in the war against the native Americans.

We may have to wait a while before he can officially be awarded this title — at which which point this country and perhaps the world will not survive the damage he has done.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 4, 2017 • 9:09:37am

re: #171 Decatur Deb

In Trumplandia there are two classes—Us and Them Winners and Losers. You’re A LOSER!!!!.

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Semper Fi  Sep 4, 2017 • 9:10:13am

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 4, 2017 • 9:11:11am

re: #173 Blind Frog Belly White

I think this misplaces the responsibility a bit. Yeah, CEOs, Officers, and Boards of Directors bear responsibility, but the thing is, they’re all just hirelings. Shareholders hire them to make them money. You may punish the hirelings with prison, fines, etc. But the OWNERS who hired them and encouraged the behavior will never lose more than their original investment.

This is how and why corporations were created, to protect the owners from losing more than their original investment. If a Billion Dollar Company does 10 Billion dollars damage, where does the extra 9 Billion come from? You can sell all the assets of the company, default on the bonds and fire all the workers, and the owners just lose whatever they paid for the stock.

Except, nowadays, most “owners” are mutual funds or pension funds that really have little to do with management or the operation of the company. They are people like you and me who have a few thousand dollars in GM or Honda or Apple. We want our 401(k)s to provide us with sufficient money to live out retirement, without worrying about starvation or homelessness. Maybe capitalism is too flawed to continue. I don’t pretend to have any answers for the ideal economic structure that leads to a combination of innovation, environmental protection, and a satisfactory standard of living for all.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 4, 2017 • 9:11:21am

re: #175 Hecuba’s daughter

By most measures, Trump seems the worst president ever. None of the others were suspected of being traitors or willing to sell us out to enrich himself. That said, there is a lot of evil many prior ones committed while in office. Trump has not as yet reached the body count (both Americans and others) that arose because of the policies pursued by Nixon in Viet Nam or Bush 43 in Iraq or Jackson in the war against the native Americans.

We may have to wait a while before he can officially be awarded this title — at which which point this country and perhaps the world will not survive the damage he has done.

Of course Trump has the technological advantage—Jackson didn’t have nukes. He was seriously involved in this action, predating Indian removal, that took place a bit downriver from here:

en.wikipedia.org

The story shows a microcosm of all kinds of forces at work on the Southeastern frontier.

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jaunte  Sep 4, 2017 • 9:16:09am
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Dave In Austin  Sep 4, 2017 • 9:19:45am

Heh….

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 4, 2017 • 9:23:59am

re: #181 jaunte

With logic like that we should jail every US citizens, since they are the predominate killers of people in America.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 4, 2017 • 9:26:42am

re: #179 Hecuba’s daughter

Except, nowadays, most “owners” are mutual funds or pension funds that really have little to do with management or the operation of the company. They are people like you and me who have a few thousand dollars in GM or Honda or Apple. We want our 401(k)s to provide us with sufficient money to live out retirement, without worrying about starvation or homelessness. Maybe capitalism is too flawed to continue. I don’t pretend to have any answers for the ideal economic structure that leads to a combination of innovation, environmental protection, and a satisfactory standard of living for all.

That’s an idea that’s been promoted to discourage financial regulation, but it turns out that the vast majority of shares are still held by the top 1%. This is especially true post-2009.

That does bring up an important point, though, one that Paul Krugman and others have been talking about for a while. Our top 1%, especially the top 0.1% now have SO MUCH MONEY that this money keeps creating asset bubbles which inevitably burst, with the worst being the mortgage bubble a decade ago. There’s SO MUCH MONEY out there looking for a safe, high yield investment that as soon as one appears, money flows into that market, raising asset prices and creating the appearance of an even better investment. Lather, rinse, repeat, until somebody finally says, “Wait - how the hell is a barely employed Mariachi musician* supposed to pay the mortgage on a $300,000 house?”

Then, *poof!*

*One of my favorite stories about how crazy it was at the peak of subprime mortgage writing was when they were writing mortgages with no income or employment verification. One guy provided a picture of himself in the outfit he wore playing in a Mariachi band. That was good enough.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 4, 2017 • 9:30:06am

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HappyWarrior  Sep 4, 2017 • 9:30:21am

re: #182 Dave In Austin

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freetoken  Sep 4, 2017 • 9:30:53am

Bunch of idiot posters start hitting the Cat6 blog over on Wunderground, but it didn’t take long for the regulars to figure out who sent the know-nothings:

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HappyWarrior  Sep 4, 2017 • 9:31:28am

re: #183 FormerDirtDart

With logic like that we should jail every US citizens, since they are the predominate killers of people in America.

Especially white people. White males make up a higher proportion than average of serial killers but I don’t see wingnuts rushing to judge white males because of that. Why? Because that would be judging themselves and it would be stupid but because wingnuts are such selfish, bigoted fuckstickles they don’t care.

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jaunte  Sep 4, 2017 • 9:31:45am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 4, 2017 • 9:33:22am

re: #188 HappyWarrior

Especially white people. White males make up a higher proportion than average of serial killers but I don’t see wingnuts rushing to judge white males because of that. Why? Because that would be judging themselves and it would be stupid but because wingnuts are such selfish, bigoted fuckstickles they don’t care.

And there’s your white privilege for you. Some young white guy kills a bunch of people, nobody comes to me and wants to tell me how White Culture is leading to all this violence.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 4, 2017 • 9:37:54am

re: #190 Blind Frog Belly White

And there’s your white privilege for you. Some young white guy kills a bunch of people, nobody comes to me and wants to tell me how White Culture is leading to all this violence.

Precisely. There’s no round table discussion on FNC, MSNBC, or CNN about how “white leaders need to do more.” I think the reason why so many people people are oblivious to the idea of white privilege is our privileges are invisible so to speak. After Oklahoma City, young white military vets weren’t expected to condemn McVeigh’s actions but Muslims are always expected to condemn Islamic terrorism, black people are always expected to “do more about their community”, etc. That’s white privilege. In fact, I’d point it out this way, white privilege is not knowing you have white privilege.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 4, 2017 • 9:40:37am

And you can see a difference between how people who advocate for equal rights for minorities are treated. People like Deray and others are called race pimps, race hustlers, etc. Sure most people call Richard Spencer an asshole but they don’t resort to equating him to a person selling sex. Our white privilege many of us are completely unaware of how being white and male combined especially is like a default mode in this country. Now, do some or even many white people struggle, sure they do but it’s never been systematically because of their race.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 4, 2017 • 9:42:08am

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2017 • 9:42:11am

re: #170 Timothy Watson

All about externalities:

en.wikipedia.org

Probably one of the most interesting things I learned about in economics.

in other words, “socialize the costs, privatize the profits”.

and that is modern economics in a nutshell

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 4, 2017 • 9:43:31am

re: #184 Blind Frog Belly White

That’s an idea that’s been promoted to discourage financial regulation, but it turns out that the vast majority of shares are still held by the top 1%. This is especially true post-2009.

That does bring up an important point, though, one that Paul Krugman and others have been talking about for a while. Our top 1%, especially the top 0.1% now have SO MUCH MONEY that this money keeps creating asset bubbles which inevitably burst, with the worst being the mortgage bubble a decade ago. There’s SO MUCH MONEY out there looking for a safe, high yield investment that as soon as one appears, money flows into that market, raising asset prices and creating the appearance of an even better investment. Lather, rinse, repeat, until somebody finally says, “Wait - how the hell is a barely employed Mariachi musician* supposed to pay the mortgage on a $300,000 house?”

Then, *poof!*

There are a few exceptions, such as companies that are still family-run, but for most publicly traded companies, ownership is so diversified that it is only the CEO and the board of directors who control decisions. The largest individual shareholder of the company that employs me was the retiree in the .1% who made it the huge organization it is today. Yet he had fewer than 15% of the shares and so was unable to prevent it from taking steps that he (and I as a mini shareholder) opposed. Corporate America may like Trump, because they are like him — they have no loyalty to their employees or their country. Actually they have no country; they are citizens of the Blade Runner world and they want to keep it that way.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 4, 2017 • 9:47:05am

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Unshaken Defiance  Sep 4, 2017 • 9:48:34am

re: #194 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“socialize the costs, privatize the profits”.

Oh boy is that a keeper. +1

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 4, 2017 • 9:49:27am

The GOP wants to run America like a big fucking Ponzi Scheme.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 4, 2017 • 9:49:43am

Yes, when I think of Labor Day I picture Donald and Melania Trump
And of course, all his social media points of contact

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 4, 2017 • 9:50:34am

re: #199 FormerDirtDart

…but you hard working immigrants can fuck right off!

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jaunte  Sep 4, 2017 • 9:50:55am

re: #196 Hecuba’s daughter

It’s funny how far down the desire to save money by using undocumented labor goes, though. Last year I was talking to a guy out in Fayette county that was almost certainly a Trump voter. An electrician who did other jobs to make ends meet. He was bidding on a brush clearing project and told me he was going to use a subcontractor he knew “was an illegal, so he’ll be the lowest labor bid.”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 4, 2017 • 9:52:45am

I’m gonna express an unpopular opinion here and say that I think Maggie Haberman is not all bad. I think she simply transmits what people tell her, without comment. She doesn’t say “Javanka tried to stop him”, she says “Sources say Javanka tried to stop him”. That leaves it to you to figure out that the sources are trying to spin.

Last night, she posited that Trump was doing this 6-month thing because he really doesn’t want to end DACA. She said “For much of his life he’s been almost ready to file a lawsuit, almost ready to reveal a new plan. He’s buying time.”

I don’t know whether Trump really wants to end DACA, in the sense of expelling 800,000 Dreamers. He wants to undo something Obama did, and he wants to keep his base loving him. But remember the ACA fight? He doesn’t care a fig about actual policy. It’s all appearance to him. If he announces that he’s ending DACA in 6 months, and Congress acts to pass the Dream Act before that time, he figures he gets credit from both sides. He’s the guy who ended DACA, but he’s NOT the guy who expelled 800,000 hardworking Americans.

He’s a racist, yes, but his narcissism is far more important in understanding his motivations. Don’t assume he takes political positions because he wants the outcome he appears to be advocating.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 4, 2017 • 9:54:48am

OK, on to my bike, and off to the store.
Time to begin stocking up for a potential visit from Irma

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2017 • 9:55:15am

re: #202 Blind Frog Belly White

He’s a racist, yes, but his narcissism is far more important in understanding his motivations. Don’t assume he takes political positions because he wants the outcome he appears to be advocating.

And he basks in the sort of mindless, screaming adulation that you only get a WWE matches and political rallies attended by Trump supporters…

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HappyWarrior  Sep 4, 2017 • 9:55:16am

re: #202 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m gonna express an unpopular opinion here and say that I think Maggie Haberman is not all bad. I think she simply transmits what people tell her, without comment. She doesn’t say “Javanka tried to stop him”, she says “Sources say Javanka tried to stop him”. That leaves it to you to figure out that the sources are trying to spin.

Last night, she posited that Trump was doing this 6-month thing because he really doesn’t want to end DACA. She said “For much of his life he’s been almost ready to file a lawsuit, almost ready to reveal a new plan. He’s buying time.”

I don’t know whether Trump really wants to end DACA, in the sense of expelling 800,000 Dreamers. He wants to undo something Obama did, and he wants to keep his base loving him. But remember the ACA fight? He doesn’t care a fig about actual policy. It’s all appearance to him. If he announces that he’s ending DACA in 6 months, and Congress acts to pass the Dream Act before that time, he figures he gets credit from both sides. He’s the guy who ended DACA, but he’s NOT the guy who expelled 800,000 hardworking Americans.

He’s a racist, yes, but his narcissism is far more important in understanding his motivations. Don’t assume he takes political positions because he wants the outcome he appears to be advocating.

Eh we all have interpretations. I agree with you on Trump FWIW- the narcissism is more important than the racism than understanding what makes him tick.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 4, 2017 • 9:55:34am

re: #204 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And he basks in the sort of mindless, screaming adulation that you only get a WWE matches and political rallies attended by Trump supporters…

Correct.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 4, 2017 • 9:56:42am

re: #204 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And he basks in the sort of mindless, screaming adulation that you only get a WWE matches and political rallies attended by Trump supporters…

He NEEDS that adulation, but he doesn’t respect it. He CRAVES the respect of the people he claims to hate - CNN, the New York Times, the Washington Post, etc.

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Renaissance_Man  Sep 4, 2017 • 10:00:26am

re: #202 Blind Frog Belly White

That’s too complex a plan for Trump. He is always ‘about’ to file a lawsuit or do something because the future is a nebulous concept that doesn’t really exist to him. That’s why his timeframe for everything is always ‘two weeks’. He isn’t thinking 6 months in advance, he lives only in the moment and the current feeling of praise or reward. He is unbridled id. If there is a plan to the 6 month delay, it is because the last person who spoke to him suggested it.

And Maggie Haberman is an apologist for this regime. Whether she personally feels that way or is doing so because the Times wants her to normalise this evil is debatable, but it is a distinction without a difference. To transmit without comment is not neutral - you have already made a choice of what to transmit and what to mention, and to whitewash it of any context is a conscious choice. And it is done with the specific goal in mind of normalising this monstrosity.

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jaunte  Sep 4, 2017 • 10:00:55am

Texas companies tie worker shortages to immigration fears
Sat., June 17, 2017, 8:30 p.m.

AUSTIN, Texas - Though construction is in high demand in Texas’ booming capital city, Oscar Martinez’s drywall company is suddenly struggling.

One-third of the approximately 20 employees Martinez uses to build new homes and commercial spaces have recently fled the state, spooked by a combination of a federal immigration crackdown by the Trump administration and a tough anti-“sanctuary cities” law approved last month by Texas’ Republican-controlled Legislature.

“I took a big hit since my workers started hearing crazy stories about being deported, and they panicked,” said Martinez, who relies on immigrants in the U.S. illegally for labor and has failed to find replacements for the physically grueling, precise work.

“The Americans I hire can’t last in this job more than half a day,” Martinez said.
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JordanRules  Sep 4, 2017 • 10:03:08am

re: #202 Blind Frog Belly White

In the absence of the qualifications and wherewithal to take and make actual policy positions we must substitute other factors like his personality, which is abhorrent, to assess his work product. So it’s kind of a distinction without much of a difference.

Maggie operates in that ‘view from nowhere’ space, which is one of Charles’s mantras, and it doesn’t serve any higher purpose. I don’t think they should be stenographers in most cases.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 4, 2017 • 10:06:02am

re: #205 HappyWarrior

Eh we all have interpretations. I agree with you on Trump FWIW- the narcissism is more important than the racism than understanding what makes him tick.

I’ve found Josh Marshall to be the best Trump Interpreter. Trump is, above all, extremely needy. He needs adulation, respect, etc. What he gets from his base isn’t enough, but he can’t do without it. They LOVE that dominance, bullying, blustering. But that’s all he knows how to do. Consider the Al Smith dinner - he had no ability to make the sort of barbed, but civil jokes that are required. He only knew how to throw punches.

I’ve come to see him as a real sad sack. Look at his performance in Houston this weekend. He doesn’t know how to display empathy. “Have a great time, folks”? What the fuck is THAT?

So, he’s trapped with the 30% of America who think the bullying and blustering = strength and leadership, while being constitutionally incapable of demonstrating REAL strength and leadership, because it’s beyond his abilities. He really is only parts of a person.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Sep 4, 2017 • 10:08:33am

re: #212 Blind Frog Belly White

I’ve found Josh Marshall to be the best Trump Interpreter. Trump is, above all, extremely needy. He needs adulation, respect, etc. What he gets from his base isn’t enough, but he can’t do without it. They LOVE that dominance, bullying, blustering. But that’s all he knows how to do. Consider the Al Smith dinner - he had no ability to make the sort of barbed, but civil jokes that are required. He only knew how to throw punches.

I’ve come to see him as a real sad sack. Look at his performance in Houston this weekend. He doesn’t know how to display empathy. “Have a great time, folks”? What the fuck is THAT?

So, he’s trapped with the 30% of America who think the bullying and blustering = strength and leadership, while being constitutionally incapable of demonstrating REAL strength and leadership, because it’s beyond his abilities. He really is only parts of a person.

The worst parts

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 4, 2017 • 10:10:02am

re: #214 I Would Prefer Not To

The worst parts

He’s The Bully in an After School Special, only he lacks the ability to grow up and admit his weakness and become a good person, as The Bully always does in the After School Specials.

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JordanRules  Sep 4, 2017 • 10:15:29am

It’s interesting that Maggie’s sources damn near always take the same tack.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 4, 2017 • 10:16:05am

re: #209 jaunte

“The Americans I hire can’t last in this job more than half a day,” Martinez said.
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And that’s the part Trumpers don’t want to hear. A lot of immigrants are stealing your fucking jobs. They’re doing jobs that no else wants to or is able to and doing it well too.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 4, 2017 • 10:17:23am

re: #187 freetoken

Bunch of idiot posters start hitting the Cat6 blog over on Wunderground, but it didn’t take long for the regulars to figure out who sent the know-nothings:

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I was reading that this morning when it started. Bizarre.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 4, 2017 • 10:18:24am

re: #214 I Would Prefer Not To

The worst parts

Yep. Trump constantly thinks he is there to entertain people but the job of the President is to be a leader, not an entertainer.

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scottslemmons  Sep 4, 2017 • 10:19:51am

re: #202 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m gonna express an unpopular opinion here and say that I think Maggie Haberman is not all bad. I think she simply transmits what people tell her, without comment. She doesn’t say “Javanka tried to stop him”, she says “Sources say Javanka tried to stop him”. That leaves it to you to figure out that the sources are trying to spin.

I think Maggie would be perfectly happy to be Trump’s Judith Miller. Actually, I suspect almost every reporter at the NYT would be overjoyed to be Trump’s Judith Miller. The dumbest thing Trump ever did was treat reporters like the enemy instead of giving them the tire swing rides they crave.

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Semper Fi  Sep 4, 2017 • 10:32:08am

It is Labor Day morning shortly after 10am and no comments for more than 10 minutes???

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Pineapple Pizzagate  Sep 4, 2017 • 10:32:58am

re: #204 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And he basks in the sort of mindless, screaming adulation that you only get a WWE matches and political rallies attended by Trump supporters…

He’s all about the “cheap pops”

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SteelPH  Sep 4, 2017 • 10:33:08am

re: #223 Semper Fi

It is Labor Day morning shortly after 10am and no comments for more than 10 minutes???

Sometimes ya just got nothin’ to say.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 4, 2017 • 10:33:31am

re: #222 scottslemmons

I think Maggie would be perfectly happy to be Trump’s Judith Miller. Actually, I suspect almost every reporter at the NYT would be overjoyed to be Trump’s Judith Miller. The dumbest thing Trump ever did was treat reporters like the enemy instead of giving them the tire swing rides they crave.

The trick is to understand her reporting as one set of data points. Add in insights from folks like Marshall, and all the other data you can glean. It ends up creating a sensible whole.

But, lord no - don’t take what Haberman reports as gospel.

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JordanRules  Sep 4, 2017 • 10:34:06am

An old Ivanka tweet holding it down today.

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gocart mozart  Sep 4, 2017 • 10:35:04am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 4, 2017 • 10:35:39am

re: #223 Semper Fi

It is Labor Day morning shortly after 10am and no comments for more than 10 minutes???

So, here it is. Labor Day. The day we celebrate the women and men who put themselves in the line of fire to make our lives better.

Here in the FBW family, one of our number, The Older Boy, is an actual Union member!

He has to work today.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2017 • 10:36:39am

re: #229 Blind Frog Belly White

So, here it is. Labor Day. The day we celebrate the women and men who put themselves in the line of fire to make our lives better.

Here in the FBW family, one of our number, The Older Boy, is an actual Union member!

He has to work today.

Let us hope he is getting overtime for it…

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jaunte  Sep 4, 2017 • 10:37:02am
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Amory Blaine  Sep 4, 2017 • 10:37:25am

re: #223 Semper Fi

Working today. Not vigorously mind you. ;)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 4, 2017 • 10:40:01am

re: #232 Amory Blaine

Working today. Not vigorously mind you. ;)

I had to work a bit today, but I live in Germany, where they celebrate Socialist Labor Day on May 1st…

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JordanRules  Sep 4, 2017 • 10:42:12am

re: #233 gocart mozart

Whew!! That shot of truth almost got me drunk!

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HappyWarrior  Sep 4, 2017 • 10:46:03am

re: #235 gocart mozart

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jaunte  Sep 4, 2017 • 10:49:52am
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I Would Prefer Not To  Sep 4, 2017 • 10:50:48am

Just watched the video. .wow. Thanks for posting.

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Jay C  Sep 4, 2017 • 10:51:14am

re: #227 JordanRules

An old Ivanka tweet holding it down today.

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Yeah: real inspiring stuff from Ivanka - who’s one step up from an “anchor baby” herself….

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jaunte  Sep 4, 2017 • 10:52:17am
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JordanRules  Sep 4, 2017 • 10:54:11am

re: #240 Jay C

There’s an old Tr*mp tweet for every occasion. It’s an irony genre!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 4, 2017 • 10:54:11am

re: #193 The Vicious Babushka

This is vomitous

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Goddamned Pulpit Pimps kissing that piece of shit’s ass!

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HappyWarrior  Sep 4, 2017 • 10:54:24am

re: #238 jaunte

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They work their asses off. It’s absurd to do this to these people.

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SteelPH  Sep 4, 2017 • 10:55:29am

re: #244 HappyWarrior

They work their asses off. It’s absurd to do this to these people.

There’s the problem right there. They don’t see them as people.

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Belafon  Sep 4, 2017 • 10:55:42am

re: #179 Hecuba’s daughter

Except, nowadays, most “owners” are mutual funds or pension funds that really have little to do with management or the operation of the company. They are people like you and me who have a few thousand dollars in GM or Honda or Apple. We want our 401(k)s to provide us with sufficient money to live out retirement, without worrying about starvation or homelessness. Maybe capitalism is too flawed to continue. I don’t pretend to have any answers for the ideal economic structure that leads to a combination of innovation, environmental protection, and a satisfactory standard of living for all.

There is no ideal economic system, because we’ve got the problem backwards. We keep trying to fit all of our problems into capitalism or socialism, when in fact, we should look at an issue and decide if it requires a free market solution or a social solution. Health care, education, and retirement are social problems. What color my shoes are is a free market problem. And there may be ways to solve parts of our social issues with the market, but that in no way means the whole problem can be solved in the market.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 4, 2017 • 10:56:14am

re: #245 SteelPH

There’s the problem right there. They don’t see them as people.

You got that right.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 4, 2017 • 10:56:22am

Tired of motherfuckers trying to whitewash their bigoted skidmarks.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 4, 2017 • 10:58:20am

re: #248 goddamnedfrank

Tired of motherfuckers trying to whitewash their bigoted skidmarks.

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jaunte  Sep 4, 2017 • 10:59:40am

re: #248 goddamnedfrank

Blame the god, not the people.

Umm.

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jaunte  Sep 4, 2017 • 11:00:14am

Religion Of Personal Responsibility.

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Belafon  Sep 4, 2017 • 11:00:49am

re: #189 jaunte

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As a Texas resident, I wish I could figure out a way to help those immigrants stay in Mexico or wherever they are from for one year. Let companies try to find replacements. Let Texas figure out how it’s going to get everything constructed.

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jaunte  Sep 4, 2017 • 11:01:41am

re: #252 Belafon

I wish we could teach more Texans how their economy works.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 4, 2017 • 11:01:47am

re: #250 jaunte

Umm.

I know, right?!

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Decatur Deb  Sep 4, 2017 • 11:02:07am

Labor Day Lexicon: like all slang dictionaries, racing one step ahead of obsolete. Has a strong bias to the construction trades, ‘til you realize it’s sponsored by a US workboot seller.

Glossary of American Jobsite Slang

theunionbootpro.com

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jaunte  Sep 4, 2017 • 11:02:13am

re: #254 goddamnedfrank

“Jesus, why are you always changing the rules?”

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 4, 2017 • 11:02:51am

re: #221 Eclectic Cyborg

Yep. Trump constantly thinks he is there to entertain people but the job of the President is to be a leader, not an entertainer.

Trump thinks his job of being President is to “win” and get “high ratings”

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HappyWarrior  Sep 4, 2017 • 11:03:43am

The people make God’s rules.

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William Lewis  Sep 4, 2017 • 11:04:04am

re: #248 goddamnedfrank

Tired of motherfuckers trying to whitewash their bigoted skidmarks.

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Can I get an amen? Oh yeah, Amen!

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Jebediah, RBG  Sep 4, 2017 • 11:06:55am

re: #100 dangerman

” Do you think they picked it at random?”

Exactly! “Well, we threw a dart at a map…”

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HappyWarrior  Sep 4, 2017 • 11:07:20am

I posted a link explaining what DACA is. Maybe just maybe some of my wingnut friends will think rather than regurgitating Breitbart, Crowder, Amir King, & Shapiro horse shit.

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Alephnaught  Sep 4, 2017 • 11:09:25am

re: #233 gocart mozart

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My goodness, that’s from Muhammad Ali’s famous interview with Michael Parkinson on Parkinson’s famous BBC chat show in the 1970s. Parkinson’s recent biography of Ali is excellent. (Parkinson, before his chat shows, was a journalist by trade, and it shows in his ability to combine a thorough knowledge of the facts into a readable narrative in this biography. [EDIT: Obviously, I’m talking about journalism in the old school UK newspaper sense here.])

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Citizen K  Sep 4, 2017 • 11:17:58am

I don’t know what can be done about this country at this point.

There seems like there’ll never be any reckoning on race properly, ever. Even if the number of overt racists shrinks, the number of covert ones and enablers simply grows and lets the overt ones win the fuck out anyway, and if you try to change any of it, you get stomped on with the total hate, anger, spite, and fervor of America’s true racist face, and you end up turned into the eternal enemy forever, thus everything you say, no matter how true or insightful, becomes ‘everything this country stands against forever, you super-bigot!!’ Meanwhile, the actual racists that seem not to rest until the total purge of any aspect of non-white anything, get apologia after apologia after apologia, because fuck it, and face it. They really ARE “America”. They will apparently and forever be the only America that matters, because too much of the rest of America will always protect them over the people they punch down at.

Sigh…I know this is another one of my bouts of cynicism and pessimism fighting through, but fuck all…it seems like no matter how much shit piles up, one mild scapegoat later and most of America rushes to defend the atrocities on the right and or treat the entire left as the existential enemy of All America, forever and anon. And fighting back just makes them fucking hate you all the more where the right can kill, purge, steal, etcl to their hearts content and they remain fucking America’s Sweethearts who just need to show they can pet a dog once in a while to get people to fall in love with them all over again.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 4, 2017 • 11:26:07am

re: #265 Citizen K

I don’t know what can be done about this country at this point.

There seems like there’ll never be any reckoning on race properly, ever. Even if the number of overt racists shrinks, the number of covert ones and enablers simply grows and lets the overt ones win the fuck out anyway, and if you try to change any of it, you get stomped on with the total hate, anger, spite, and fervor of America’s true racist face, and you end up turned into the eternal enemy forever, thus everything you say, no matter how true or insightful, becomes ‘everything this country stands against forever, you super-bigot!!’ Meanwhile, the actual racists that seem not to rest until the total purge of any aspect of non-white anything, get apologia after apologia after apologia, because fuck it, and face it. They really ARE “America”. They will apparently and forever be the only America that matters, because too much of the rest of America will always protect them over the people they punch down at.

Sigh…I know this is another one of my bouts of cynicism and pessimism fighting through, but fuck all…it seems like no matter how much shit piles up, one mild scapegoat later and most of America rushes to defend the atrocities on the right and or treat the entire left as the existential enemy of All America, forever and anon. And fighting back just makes them fucking hate you all the more where the right can kill, purge, steal, etcl to their hearts content and they remain fucking America’s Sweethearts who just need to show they can pet a dog once in a while to get people to fall in love with them all over again.

Cheer up. Racism is the one problem we could literally fuck our way out of, if we can hold it together for the next couple hundred years.

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Jebediah, RBG  Sep 4, 2017 • 11:26:29am

re: #149 Blind Frog Belly White

He wants the people he’s always wanted to be one of to accept him.

They never will, so that flab-bag filled with demon pus and chicken shit is going to take his revenge on all of us.

We really need to get lots of R’s defeated in ‘18 so those GOP assholes will see that they must impeach to avoid further risk to their meal tickets.

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sagehen  Sep 4, 2017 • 11:27:21am

re: #262 Alephnaught

My goodness, that’s from Muhammad Ali’s famous interview with Michael Parkinson on Parkinson’s famous BBC chat show in the 1970s. Parkinson’s recent biography of Ali is excellent. (Parkinson, before his chat shows, was a journalist by trade, and it shows in his ability to combine a thorough knowledge of the facts into a readable narrative in this biography. [EDIT: Obviously, I’m talking about journalism in the old school UK newspaper sense here.])

When Dick Cavett asked Muhammad Ali if he hated white people (because he makes it a point to avoid them whenever possible), he said “no, no, of course not. If I were in the jungle, I’d make it a point to avoid lions. Because they’re dangerous, they could kill me.I know they don’t all want to kill me, a lion who already ate today is probably no threat to me. But I don’t know which lions are hungry, so I avoid them all. It doesn’t mean I hate them, I realize they’re just following their nature to behave as lions, but I’d like to keep as much distance as possible between us.”

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 4, 2017 • 11:32:23am

re: #203 FormerDirtDart

OK, on to my bike, and off to the store.
Time to begin stocking up for a potential visit from Irma

LOL
Just executed a spectacular slow-mo dump with my bike.
Stopped at the gas station to grab lotto tickets and somehow managed to get the horn of my bike seat caught in the leg of my shorts as i dismounted. Of course my base foot was behind the peddle, so I couldn’t roll the bike back to uncatch the seat.

So, gravity and the 30 lbs of groceries on my back took over.
I can only imagine what the two people thought, who trotted over from pumping their gas, as I pitched over and smashed into the ground, as I laughed & cursed the whole time.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 4, 2017 • 11:33:33am

re: #269 FormerDirtDart

LOL
Just executed a spectacular slow-mo dump with my bike.
Stopped at the gas station to grab lotto tickets and somehow managed to get the horn of my bike seat caught in the leg of my shorts as i dismounted. Of course my base foot was behind the peddle, so I couldn’t roll the bike back to uncatch the seat.

So, gravity and the 30 lbs of groceries on my back took over.
I can only imagine what the two people thought, who trotted over from pumping their gas, as I pitched over and smashed into the ground, as I laughed & cursed the whole time.

The old Benny Hill Maneuver.

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JordanRules  Sep 4, 2017 • 11:35:04am

re: #266 Decatur Deb

Cheer up. Racism is the one problem we could literally fuck our way out of, if we can hold it together for the next couple hundred years.

LOL The pleasure principle!

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wrenchwench  Sep 4, 2017 • 11:38:30am

re: #269 FormerDirtDart

LOL
Just executed a spectacular slow-mo dump with my bike.
Stopped at the gas station to grab lotto tickets and somehow managed to get the horn of my bike seat caught in the leg of my shorts as i dismounted. Of course my base foot was behind the peddle, so I couldn’t roll the bike back to uncatch the seat.

So, gravity and the 30 lbs of groceries on my back took over.
I can only imagine what the two people thought, who trotted over from pumping their gas, as I pitched over and smashed into the ground, as I laughed & cursed the whole time.

Fall-overs are definitely more embarrassing than crashes. Not always less painful. I hope yours was.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 4, 2017 • 11:40:16am

re: #270 Decatur Deb

The old Benny Hill Maneuver.

Have to say I’m happily surprised that neither of the bottles of tonic water, that were strapped to the outside of my pack, burst when then took the brunt of the impact.

And, one of those damn lottery tickets had better pay out something.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 4, 2017 • 11:43:22am

re: #273 FormerDirtDart

Have to say I’m happily surprised that neither of the bottles of tonic water, that were strapped to the outside of my pack, burst when then took the brunt of the impact.

And, one of those damn lottery tickets had better pay out something.

Tonic water? So you’re planning to fight off Irma’s malaria the British way.

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dangerman  Sep 4, 2017 • 11:46:46am

re: #263 goddamnedfrank

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 4, 2017 • 11:54:33am

re: #272 wrenchwench

Fall-overs are definitely more embarrassing than crashes. Not always less painful. I hope yours was.

quite a collection of minor scrapes and spots that will like for small bruise.
But, ultimately unscathed

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Semper Fi  Sep 4, 2017 • 3:23:01pm

re: #229 Blind Frog Belly White

So, here it is. Labor Day. The day we celebrate the women and men who put themselves in the line of fire to make our lives better.

Here in the FBW family, one of our number, The Older Boy, is an actual Union member!

He has to work today.

It should be double-time for your son today.
Sorry so late responding, had to complete a 2 minute task which led to another and another and still more.

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Semper Fi  Sep 4, 2017 • 3:25:11pm

re: #232 Amory Blaine

Working today. Not vigorously mind you. ;)

I just did a bit of that myself and seems like it chewed up most of the day.


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