Full Text: President Obama’s Powerful, Eloquent Statement on Trump’s Most Racist Move Yet

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Here’s the statement just released by President Obama on Facebook, responding to Donald Trump’s destruction of DACA.

Immigration can be a controversial topic. We all want safe, secure borders and a dynamic economy, and people of goodwill can have legitimate disagreements about how to fix our immigration system so that everybody plays by the rules.

But that’s not what the action that the White House took today is about. This is about young people who grew up in America – kids who study in our schools, young adults who are starting careers, patriots who pledge allegiance to our flag. These Dreamers are Americans in their hearts, in their minds, in every single way but one: on paper. They were brought to this country by their parents, sometimes even as infants. They may not know a country besides ours. They may not even know a language besides English. They often have no idea they’re undocumented until they apply for a job, or college, or a driver’s license.

Over the years, politicians of both parties have worked together to write legislation that would have told these young people – our young people – that if your parents brought you here as a child, if you’ve been here a certain number of years, and if you’re willing to go to college or serve in our military, then you’ll get a chance to stay and earn your citizenship. And for years while I was President, I asked Congress to send me such a bill.

That bill never came. And because it made no sense to expel talented, driven, patriotic young people from the only country they know solely because of the actions of their parents, my administration acted to lift the shadow of deportation from these young people, so that they could continue to contribute to our communities and our country. We did so based on the well-established legal principle of prosecutorial discretion, deployed by Democratic and Republican presidents alike, because our immigration enforcement agencies have limited resources, and it makes sense to focus those resources on those who come illegally to this country to do us harm. Deportations of criminals went up. Some 800,000 young people stepped forward, met rigorous requirements, and went through background checks. And America grew stronger as a result.

But today, that shadow has been cast over some of our best and brightest young people once again. To target these young people is wrong – because they have done nothing wrong. It is self-defeating – because they want to start new businesses, staff our labs, serve in our military, and otherwise contribute to the country we love. And it is cruel. What if our kid’s science teacher, or our friendly neighbor turns out to be a Dreamer? Where are we supposed to send her? To a country she doesn’t know or remember, with a language she may not even speak?

Let’s be clear: the action taken today isn’t required legally. It’s a political decision, and a moral question. Whatever concerns or complaints Americans may have about immigration in general, we shouldn’t threaten the future of this group of young people who are here through no fault of their own, who pose no threat, who are not taking away anything from the rest of us. They are that pitcher on our kid’s softball team, that first responder who helps out his community after a disaster, that cadet in ROTC who wants nothing more than to wear the uniform of the country that gave him a chance. Kicking them out won’t lower the unemployment rate, or lighten anyone’s taxes, or raise anybody’s wages.

It is precisely because this action is contrary to our spirit, and to common sense, that business leaders, faith leaders, economists, and Americans of all political stripes called on the administration not to do what it did today. And now that the White House has shifted its responsibility for these young people to Congress, it’s up to Members of Congress to protect these young people and our future. I’m heartened by those who’ve suggested that they should. And I join my voice with the majority of Americans who hope they step up and do it with a sense of moral urgency that matches the urgency these young people feel.

Ultimately, this is about basic decency. This is about whether we are a people who kick hopeful young strivers out of America, or whether we treat them the way we’d want our own kids to be treated. It’s about who we are as a people – and who we want to be.

What makes us American is not a question of what we look like, or where our names come from, or the way we pray. What makes us American is our fidelity to a set of ideals – that all of us are created equal; that all of us deserve the chance to make of our lives what we will; that all of us share an obligation to stand up, speak out, and secure our most cherished values for the next generation. That’s how America has traveled this far. That’s how, if we keep at it, we will ultimately reach that more perfect union.

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360 comments

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jaunte  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:20:26pm

“It is precisely because this action is contrary to our spirit, and to common sense,”
that Trump is taking it.

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gocart mozart  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:22:10pm

lol

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Kragar  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:23:21pm

“Ultimately, this is about basic decency.”

Trump has none.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:24:04pm

re: #2 gocart mozart

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Tehy look nice.

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jaunte  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:24:13pm
For months, an anxious and uncertain President Trump was caught between opposing camps in the West Wing prodding him to either scrap or salvage an Obama-era program allowing undocumented immigrants brought to the country as minors to remain in the United States.

Last week, with a key court deadline looming for Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, or DACA, Mr. Trump, exasperated, asked his aides for “a way out” of a dilemma he created by promising to roll back the program as a presidential candidate, according to two people familiar with the exchange.
nytimes.com

Incompetent coward.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:24:28pm

Man words can’t express how much I miss this man being our President.

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SteelPH  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:24:36pm

re: #3 Kragar

“Ultimately, this is about basic decency.”

Trump has none.

Worse than that.
He utterly delights in harming others.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:24:38pm

“Ultimately, this is about basic decency.”

Well, there’s the problem. We managed to elect someone without any, who surrounded himself with others who also have none.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:25:01pm

re: #3 Kragar

re: #8 Blind Frog Belly White

Great minds, etc.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:25:04pm

re: #5 jaunte

Incompetent coward.

He’s a fucking cowardly piece of shit. Always has been and always will be.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:25:29pm

re: #8 Blind Frog Belly White

“Ultimately, this is about basic decency.”

Well, there’s the problem. We managed to elect someone without any, who surrounded himself with others who also have none.

Yep and that was his appeal to a lot of people.

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Kragar  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:25:30pm
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Mike Lamb  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:26:09pm

The other sickening aspect of this is the possibly irrevocable breach of trust between certain communities and the gov’t. Obviously, there was a lot of misgivings already, but if the list of DACA registrants is used as a basis to deport these folks, why would they ever trust the gov’t again?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:26:47pm

re: #12 Kragar

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It’s a civil offense.. I’m so sick of ignorant people acting like undocumented immigration is akin to robbing a bank or murder. IT’s not. It’s not a felony. Hell it’s really not even a misdemeanor.

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BlueGrl21  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:26:48pm

re: #3 Kragar

“Ultimately, this is about basic decency.”

Trump has none.

Twitter rage in 5, 4, 3…

Seriously, President Obama “interfering in his presidency” is going to send him into the stratosphere. Trump cannot stand to be questioned and he HATES President Obama.

And yes, i’m still in denial that Trump is the president. I refuse to use that title for him.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:27:52pm

re: #15 BlueGrl21

Twitter rage in 5, 4, 3…

Seriously, President Obama “interfering in his presidency” is going to send him into the stratosphere. Trump cannot stand to be questioned and he HATES President Obama.

And yes, i’m still in denial that Trump is the president. I refuse to use that title for him.

I only have when I’ve absolutely had to for the newsletter we do at work but in conversation? Never.

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Kragar  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:28:33pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:29:03pm

re: #17 Kragar

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No kidding.

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electrotek  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:29:14pm

Make Obama President Again

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ObserverArt  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:30:57pm

re: #13 Mike Lamb

The other sickening aspect of this is the possibly irrevocable breach of trust between certain communities and the gov’t. Obviously, there was a lot of misgivings already, but if the list of DACA registrants is used as a basis to deport these folks, why would they ever trust the gov’t again?

Hell, I’m as White as it gets, and I don’t trust this government.

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piratedan  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:31:04pm

re: #2 gocart mozart

guess the Faux News Stepford propaganda reader brigade has some standards after all…

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Charles Johnson  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:32:22pm
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Birth Control Works  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:34:25pm

Bush II did try for 8 years to get immigration reform. Guest Worker program etc. He, at least, did understand the situation.

Republicans didn’t do it then.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:35:07pm

re: #22 Charles Johnson

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Delusion.

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Birth Control Works  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:35:11pm

Students (speaking regular American-English without an accent) getting deported will not make for good visuals.

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plansbandc  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:35:12pm

I firmly believe they will easily and very aggressively round up the dreamers and fill up the orange bag of shit’s cronies’ private prisons. Perfect deal. Most model prison population ever. Those people will never leave the US.

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Renaissance_Man  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:35:27pm

re: #22 Charles Johnson

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President is not black.

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makeitstop  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:36:14pm

From downstairs:

I’m fuming and freaking out right now.

I ran over to the local Staples store to pick up a few things. As I got out of my truck, I looked in the window of the car next to mine, and saw a baby. In a car with all of the windows closed, not running.

It’s 80 degrees here today.

I found the store manager and told him there was a baby in a car in front of his store. He called the cops.

Fucking people. That poor baby did not look good at all. I’m hoping like hell she’s okay.

What the hell is wrong with people? FUCK.

I’m so nervous and freaked out right now. Should I have busted a window on the car? Should I have stuck around until the cops got there?

That poor little kid. I hope she’s okay.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:36:14pm

re: #25 Birth Control Works

Students (speaking regular American-English without an accent) getting deported will not make for good visuals.

He doesn’t care. They wouldn’t be voting for him anyhow.

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KGxvi  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:36:43pm

re: #22 Charles Johnson

Because DACA polls at around 70% and their top priority is getting re-elected? They might actually realize “deporting people who grew up here” probably won’t sell well with most voters.

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Birth Control Works  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:37:22pm

re: #28 makeitstop

From downstairs:

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That happened to me once —only the kids weren’t babies. They were crying.

I walked into the store and screamed at the top of my lungs.

Parent was duly shamed.

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KGxvi  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:37:34pm

re: #29 HappyWarrior

He doesn’t care. They wouldn’t be voting for him anyhow.

It’s not the person being deported they have to worry about, it’s everyone else who thinks it’s wrong.

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electrotek  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:37:35pm

I was afraid of the repression of Rohingyas being used as a pretext to attack Buddhists in Muslim countries even more now, especially at the world’s largest Buddha temple.

And we have no one to blame but the stubborn Buddhists of Myanmar for stoking unnecessary tensions for their pure Buddhist state.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:37:55pm

re: #30 KGxvi

Because DACA polls at around 70% and their top priority is getting re-elected? They might actually realize “deporting people who grew up here” probably won’t sell well with most voters.

That’s true but what does the Republican base think of DACA? They need their votes before they run in the GE.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:38:21pm

re: #32 KGxvi

It’s not the person being deported they have to worry about, it’s everyone else who thinks it’s wrong.

True. Hope you’re right.

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Birth Control Works  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:39:16pm

re: #29 HappyWarrior

He doesn’t care. They wouldn’t be voting for him anyhow.

No, but the rest of the world will be one step closer to imposing sanctions on US.

The US can be ostracized.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:39:17pm

I just hope this causes an anti Republican wave.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:39:44pm

re: #36 Birth Control Works

No, but the rest of the world will be one step closer to imposing sanctions on US.

The US can be ostracized.

That’s true. This whole thing breaks my heart.

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Birth Control Works  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:40:27pm

re: #38 HappyWarrior

That’s true. This whole thing breaks my heart.

me too.

We are no longer (not that we ever really were) the Shining City on the Hill. The American Myth is being shown to be the sham it is.

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Belafon  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:42:56pm

re: #36 Birth Control Works

No, but the rest of the world will be one step closer to imposing sanctions on US.

The US can be ostracized.

Which is what Trump and Bannon are hoping for.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:43:48pm

re: #39 Birth Control Works

me too.

We are no longer (not that we ever really were) the Shining City on the Hill. The American Myth is being shown to be the sham it is.

I’m trying to live by example. I’m happy to help out immigrants at my job and in my personal life.

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KGxvi  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:43:55pm

re: #34 HappyWarrior

That’s true but what does the Republican base think of DACA? They need their votes before they run in the GE.

Unfortunately, I can’t find any polling that has a breakdown by party. But in my quick search I see Brietbart crying that these are somehow push polls because the questions say what DACA and Dreamers are, as a means of claiming that they are skewed. If Brietbart is scared of the numbers, that’s probably a good sign that Congressional Republicans should be too.

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jaunte  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:43:55pm

The Rude Pundit

“…President Trump’s decision is the sort of disruptive, wanton fuckery that we can accurately call “evil.” It will tear families apart. It will cruelly exile people to countries where they have nothing, no roots, no connection. It will end up damaging the economy as nearly a million people will no longer be paying taxes or Social Security. The only thing getting rid of DACA does is make racists feel good. That is it. That is solely it. There is no rational case to be made for punshing these law-abiding, education-oriented, hardworking Americans-in-all-but-papers. In fact, I’d fucking rather Trump had just said, “Yeah, too fuckin’ many Mexicans. We need more whites.” At least then, we’d cut through the bullshit justifications and maybe we’d get to see who Nazi salutes in agreement.

Trump’s wretched statement on his decision once again says that undocumented immigrants are responsible for everything from your uncle losing his job because his factory closed to your uncle’s opioid addiction. Or, as he put it, “lower wages and higher unemployment for American workers, substantial burdens on local schools and hospitals, the illicit entry of dangerous drugs and criminal cartels, and many billions of dollars a year in costs paid for by U.S. taxpayers. Yet few in Washington expressed any compassion for the millions of Americans victimized by this unfair system.” Again, facts are going to bite him on the ass on this, but, at this point, his ass probably no longer has any feeling because of how long he just sits around on it. For Trump and his idiot hordes, a Dreamer is no different than a cantaloupe-calved drug mule or dark-skinned rapist. Like I said, just skip the bullshit justifications and say you hate brown people.”
rudepundit.blogspot.co.uk

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ObserverArt  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:44:06pm

re: #22 Charles Johnson

Charles Johnson ✔ @Green_Footballs
Congressional Republicans refused for YEARS even to consider DACA-like legislation. Why does anyone think they’re going to do it now?
3:32 PM - Sep 5, 2017

You are correct. And they never did a damn thing about health insurance either.

I am hoping this gets as big a backlash on the party of hateful racists as killing Obamacare and the Racistpublicans find they need to do something now to save their asses in 2018 and 2020.

I bet McConnell and Ryan are just loving this.

I think they might be getting antsy for some findings by Mueller.

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danarchy  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:45:02pm

re: #36 Birth Control Works

No, but the rest of the world will be one step closer to imposing sanctions on US.

The US can be ostracized.

Sorry no country is going to impose sanctions on the worlds largest economy. Especially not when there is no illegality involved, just general shittyness.

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jaunte  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:45:18pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:45:28pm

re: #34 HappyWarrior

That’s true but what does the Republican base think of DACA? They need their votes before they run in the GE.

And therein lies the problem. The GOP was taken over by a hard core of racists, homophobes, Islamophobes, and xenophobes, who comprise about 30% of the electorate.

Another 15% of the population are either okay with racism, homophobia, Islamophobia, and xenophobia, or can’t see it even when it’s in front of them, and vote GOP as a matter of course. Another 5-6% this year decided that HRC was probably going to win, and we’d need a GOP Congress to restrain all of her wild moderateness.

So, now the GOP Congress can’t even pass bills that 70% of America wants, because they’re deathly afraid of half that many people. And the middle are too disengaged, and either can’t or won’t believe how extreme the GOP now is.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:46:35pm

re: #42 KGxvi

Unfortunately, I can’t find any polling that has a breakdown by party. But in my quick search I see Brietbart crying that these are somehow push polls because the questions say what DACA and Dreamers are, as a means of claiming that they are skewed. If Brietbart is scared of the numbers, that’s probably a good sign that Congressional Republicans should be too.

Oh okay, good to know.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:47:17pm

re: #47 Blind Frog Belly White

And therein lies the problem. The GOP was taken over by a hard core of racists, homophobes, Islamophobes, and xenophobes, who comprise about 30% of the electorate.

Another 15% of the population are either okay with racism, homophobia, Islamophobia, and xenophobia, or can’t see it even when it’s in front of them, and vote GOP as a matter of course. Another 5-6% this year decided that HRC was probably going to win, and we’d need a GOP Congress to restrain all of her wild moderateness.

So, now the GOP Congress can’t even pass bills that 70% of America wants, because they’re deathly afraid of half that many people. And the middle are too disengaged, and either can’t or won’t believe how extreme the GOP now is.

Yep that’s the predicament we’re in.

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ObserverArt  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:47:29pm

re: #28 makeitstop

From downstairs:

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Saw that. I think I saw a report where police departments were actually encouraging people to break out a window away from the child to let the heat out/rescue the child.

Not sure of the law, but damn, I think I’d take that chance. A couple hundred bucks for a new window is worth it. Maybe call the cops and ask if you should.

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Kragar  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:49:01pm
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Ace-o-aces  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:50:10pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:50:21pm

Which possible Dem contenders in 2020 have commented on the DACA repeal?

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JordanRules  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:50:50pm

re: #53 HappyWarrior

Kamala, several times

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:51:21pm

re: #52 Ace-o-aces

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Tomi logic: Mah gun hoarder should matter more than someone who pretty much is an American not having to worry about being deported. Why don’t you fuck off, you little right wing brat?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:51:53pm

re: #54 JordanRules

Kamala, several times

Kamala right now would probably be my pick.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:51:56pm

re: #52 Ace-o-aces

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AMERICANS get killed everyday by other AMERICANS who were law abiding right up until they killed somebody.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:52:38pm

re: #57 Blind Frog Belly White

AMERICANS get killed everyday by other AMERICANS who were law abiding right up until they killed somebody.

That’s different though. //

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:53:04pm

re: #7 SteelPH

Trump’s capacity to feel “delight” is limited to whatever brings him public adoration from the crowd he likes the most- …that is the percentage of people in the general population that hold willful ignorance, fear of “the other”, and a zero-sum game mentality as the predominate basis of their thinking.

Trump is a hollow shell incapable of feeling “delight” in the traditional sense. His capacity delight is the same as a shark in a feeding frenzy- no emotional base to it, it just is operating on pure instinct.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:53:14pm

re: #53 HappyWarrior

Which possible Dem contenders in 2020 have commented on the DACA repeal?

Obama, if he files as Barack LLC, and the Supreme Court recognizes the right of corporations to serve 2 terms.

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Targetpractice  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:53:14pm

re: #46 jaunte

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It doesn’t really matter at this point, the talking point has been adopted: “Those dirty Mexicans are getting all the bennies that my kids can’t get!”

Notice it’s not much separated from “Those lazy Ni-CLANGs are getting all the college spots!”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:53:41pm

re: #58 HappyWarrior

That’s different though. //

Right. Once they kill somebody, they become retroactively Not A True Scotsman.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:53:49pm

Anyhow in my search for Democrats response to DACA, I stumbled on James Woods response, it’s your typical right wing dehumanization of immigrants, “Democrat Larvae.” Yeah and we’re the fascists. You’re the ones who can’t even acknowledge that tehse people are human beings.

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jaunte  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:54:35pm

re: #52 Ace-o-aces

Anyone paid to spout conservative drivel on Fox should be shamed for complaining about anyone else getting “perks.”

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:54:45pm

re: #61 Targetpractice

It doesn’t really matter at this point, the talking point has been adopted: “Those dirty Mexicans are getting all the bennies that my kids can’t get!”

Notice it’s not much separated from “Those lazy Ni-CLANGs are getting all the college spots!”

They’re raging against their own mediocrity.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:54:50pm

re: #61 Targetpractice

It doesn’t really matter at this point, the talking point has been adopted: “Those dirty Mexicans are getting all the bennies that my kids can’t get!”

Notice it’s not much separated from “Those lazy Ni-CLANGs are getting all the college spots!”

Tomi’s just mad because she’s too stupid to function without right wing wingnut welfare. Sadly, we’re not going to see the end of her. She will be the new Coulter.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:55:09pm

re: #64 jaunte

Anyone paid to spout conservative drivel on Fox should be shamed for complaining about anyone else getting “perks.”

No kidding.

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Kragar  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:55:29pm
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Skip Intro  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:56:13pm

re: #27 Renaissance_Man

President is not black.

They wouldn’t do it under a white Republican president (Bush) either. The GOP congress is full of racists, plain and simple.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:57:03pm

re: #68 Kragar

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If he wants to play this stupid game, if Robert E. Lee were gay, he would be despised by conservatives and his gayness used as an example of why the CSA was evil. Ernst Rohm being gay doesn’t make me hate him being the founder of the SA any less but nice try dumbass, you get a F for effort.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:57:26pm

re: #69 Skip Intro

They wouldn’t do it under a white Republican president (Bush) either. The GOP congress is full of racists, plain and simple.

And that Congress was less regressive minded than the current Congress.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:58:00pm

I am so tired. I’m tired of the pace at which bad news pours out. It’s like trying to drink from a firehose.

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Skip Intro  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:58:03pm

re: #30 KGxvi

Because DACA polls at around 70% and their top priority is getting re-elected? They might actually realize “deporting people who grew up here” probably won’t sell well with most voters.

“Most” voters don’t matter to Congressmen/women. Only their voters do, and racists will always vote for other racists.

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makeitstop  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:58:06pm

Thankful update!

I called the store to see what was happening. They got the baby out of the car and arrested the mother.

That’s a huge load off my mind, for sure.

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Targetpractice  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:58:10pm

re: #65 Dr Lizardo

They’re raging against their own mediocrity.

White mediocrity is the biggest driver of modern “conservatism.” Generations of white men raised on the idea that melanin-deficiency is a ticket to the middle class. Now they’re finding themselves competing on a level playing field and it’s driving them nuts.

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wrenchwench  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:58:32pm

From last January:

The word ‘deferred’ has always made me uncomfortable about DACA. To ‘sign up’ for ‘deferred action’.. they just can’t defer it long enough.

Back to the work on which I have been deferring.

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Kragar  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:58:40pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:58:40pm

Okay I was wrong about Bernie, he has criticized this. Still think he needs to be stronger on immigration though.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:59:17pm

re: #75 Targetpractice

White mediocrity is the biggest driver of modern “conservatism.” Generations of white men raised on the idea that melanin-deficiency is a ticket to the middle class. Now they’re finding themselves competing on a level playing field and it’s driving them nuts.

Yep, they are the entitled brats they claim other people are.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:59:41pm

re: #77 Kragar

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McConnell can go to hell then.

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Targetpractice  Sep 5, 2017 • 12:59:46pm

re: #77 Kragar

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Right, he can’t take time away from the needy rich folks to help out immigrants looking to get a slice of that pie.

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jaunte  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:00:46pm

READ YER CONSTITUTION is the new imprecatory prayer.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:01:29pm

re: #81 Targetpractice

Right, he can’t take time away from the needy rich folks to help out immigrants looking to get a slice of that pie.

Guys like McConnell, Carson, and Abbott bother me the most about people on the right. These are guys who have eitehr been through polio, poverty, or in Abbott’s case are handicapped. And they have like no empathy at all for others. I know that March of Dimes thing about Mitch was proven wrong but Mitch still did benefit from federal research on Polio, research he would oppose if it was needed today.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:02:01pm

re: #82 jaunte

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READ YER CONSTITUTION is the new imprecatory prayer.

Oh the law? The same law that allows birth right citizenship that many of you right wing fuckwits oppose. That law?

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:02:44pm

re: #75 Targetpractice

White mediocrity is the biggest driver of modern “conservatism.” Generations of white men raised on the idea that melanin-deficiency is a ticket to the middle class. Now they’re finding themselves competing on a level playing field and it’s driving them nuts many of them simply can’t.

FTFY.

That’s what drives this; they’ve been driven mad with resentment. They’re unable to compete on a level playing field.

And they sneer about “special snowflakes”……….they need to take a good long look in the mirror.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:03:11pm

These people came here as children. Most of them fleeing extreme poverty and violence and might I add in the case of El Salvador, extreme violence that was our government’s doing when Reagan got the brilliant idea to interfere in El Salvador”s Civil War in the name of “anti-communism” or anyone who would suck our corporations tits the most.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:03:32pm

re: #85 Dr Lizardo

FTFY.

That’s what drives this; they’ve been driven mad with resentment. They’re unable to compete on a level playing field.

And they sneer about “special snowflakes”……….they need to take a good long look in the mirror.

Exactly.

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jaunte  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:03:33pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:03:46pm

re: #84 HappyWarrior

Oh the law? The same law that allows birth right citizenship that many of you right wing fuckwits oppose. That law?

THAT’S NOT THE CONSTITUTION!! THAT’S AN AMENDMENT!!!

Yeah? So’s the Second AMENDMENT.

THAT’S DIFFERENT BECAUSE SHUT UP!!!

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Birth Control Works  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:04:01pm

bbl

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Charles Johnson  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:04:46pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:05:26pm

politicususa.com

Guy who has done absolutely nothing on immigration in his time in Congress blames guy who tried to use the power of the presidency to do something on immigration for dickbag doing something to undo other guy’s work. In short, Paul Ryan is a spineless weasel who has no integrity at all and is still the same dipshit we found out lied about his marathon times and is a right wing pussy.

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KGxvi  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:06:29pm

re: #73 Skip Intro

“Most” voters don’t matter to Congressmen/women. Only their voters do, and racists will always vote for other racists.

The Congressional GOP has found itself painted into a corner by their base. They can go against the base and face a primary challenge that might cause them to lose. Or they could do what their base wants them to do and put them in a position where they stand a much greater chance of losing the general election. It’s not an enviable place to be as a politician, but given their actions over the last decade or so, they pretty much deserve it.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:06:32pm
Ultimately, this is about basic decency.

No wonder the base hates it.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:07:10pm

I’m seeing the right who claim they “support” DACA blaming Obama for implementing it via executively. You fuckers had no desire to work with him at all on immigration. I’m especially lookin at you Marco “I love to pretend to be proud to be Hispanic when my party’s white supremacist base isn’t looking.” RUbio.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:07:11pm

WRT what I mentioned above, that our entire government is being driven by about 1/3 of our population - that 30% were the ones threatening civil war if they, the minority, didn’t get their way.

What about the other 70% of us, who are now being ruled by that minority? At what point does a representative democracy stop being a democracy because it’s no longer representative?

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:07:12pm

It’s going to take a loooooong time to repair the damage the GOP is causing to the USA - a couple of generations I figure. Sad but true.

And with that sobering thought, good night Lizards. Don’t let the bastards wear you down, as the old saying goes.

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JordanRules  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:08:00pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:08:15pm

re: #97 Dr Lizardo

It’s going to take a loooooong time to repair the damage the GOP is causing to the USA - a couple of generations I figure. Sad but true.

And with that sobering thought, good night Lizards. Don’t let the bastards wear you down, as the old saying goes.

Obama was a special leader. The time for new leaders to show themselves is now.

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ObserverArt  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:09:23pm

re: #74 makeitstop

Thankful update!

I called the store to see what was happening. They got the baby out of the car and arrested the mother.

That’s a huge load off my mind, for sure.

Good.

Sounds like the police would have been okay to have you break a window. I mentioned this in#50

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:09:30pm

re: #96 Blind Frog Belly White

WRT what I mentioned above, that our entire government is being driven by about 1/3 of our population - that 30% were the ones threatening civil war if they, the minority, didn’t get their way.

What about the other 70% of us, who are now being ruled by that minority? At what point does a representative democracy stop being a democracy because it’s no longer representative?

It’s minority rule, straight-up, no chaser. And the GOP is determined to perpetuate that minority rule at all costs.

And with that, good night.

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:09:30pm

Follow up on Pharma Bro asking people to assault Hillary Clinton.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:10:26pm

re: #102 Ace-o-aces

Follow up on Pharma Bro asking people to assault Hillary Clinton.

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Someone really needs to get laid.

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makeitstop  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:11:23pm

re: #100 ObserverArt

Good.

Sounds like the police would have been okay to have you break a window. I mentioned this in#50

I’m still worried that the kid might not be okay - they took her to the hospital, but past that I don’t know.

I’m watching the SCPD wire to see if it turns up there. I’m half-sick to my stomach right now.

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:11:31pm

re: #103 HappyWarrior

Someone really needs to get laid.

I don’t want any chance of him reproducing.

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ObserverArt  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:11:43pm

Backwoods_Sleuth…I see you are logged in.

I hope everything is okay with you. I miss your comments.

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JordanRules  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:12:33pm

re: #102 Ace-o-aces

I know he’s lying because he doesn’t have any friends!

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Skip Intro  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:12:38pm

re: #97 Dr Lizardo

It’s going to take a loooooong time to repair the damage the GOP is causing to the USA - a couple of generations I figure. Sad but true.

And with that sobering thought, good night Lizards. Don’t let the bastards wear you down, as the old saying goes.

That assumes we are able to get them out of power soon. Not liking the odds on that.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:13:09pm

I’m heartbroken. Were all our societal problems fixed in the Obama years? No, but we were at least heading in a good direction. We had a President that saw our LGBT citizenry as equals, saw that nonbelievers could be patriots, and was quite genuinely the most inclusive man ever to be President. And we replaced him with the total opposite of that. A narrow-minded, bullying, pig who only cares about himself and enriching him and his plutocratic family. A man that would rather kiss Putin’s ass than stand by our allies. To me, progressivism has always been about making life better for the next generations. Well, we have our work cut of us after Trump leaves.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:13:24pm

re: #105 Ace-o-aces

I don’t want any chance of him reproducing.

Touche.

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ObserverArt  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:13:47pm

re: #104 makeitstop

I’m still worried that the kid might not be okay - they took her to the hospital, but past that I don’t know.

I’m watching the SCPD wire to see if it turns up there. I’m half-sick to my stomach right now.

Keep us posted. Good thing you noticed. Hopefully they took the child to the hospital as a precaution and to check on vitals, etc.

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Renaissance_Man  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:15:29pm

re: #39 Birth Control Works

me too.

We are no longer (not that we ever really were) the Shining City on the Hill. The American Myth is being shown to be the sham it is.

I don’t know - as a foreigner, I do believe that America has been the Shining City on the hill. Embracing representative democracy and human rights, while freeing their society from the concept of a monarchy and aristocracy of birth, was a huge development in world society. The early decades of the nation were tainted with racist controversies, sure, but awful as they were, they weren’t out of the norm for the empires of history, and America represented something unseen before in the history of the world. The poem at the base of the Statue of Liberty is a real ideal - when I read it, it moved me, and I can only imagine how it moved thousands upon thousands of people who came here seeking a better life. The boroughs of New York alone are testimony to how successful that has been.

The decline of the American Dream is multifactorial, but in large part it has come about because of an unwillingness to improve upon the original model. Parliamentary democracies have adapted from their original monarchic roots, using the example of the American experiment, and have become more robust, more able to withstand the vicissitudes of populism. America’s electoral system has not, and in the modern age where mass media can create a cult out of millions of people, it has become all too easy to destroy America’s government and it’s ideals by attacking its electoral system. I don’t mean attacking it like the Russians, but through gerrymandering, voter suppression, and the like.

When I first moved here, I was a strident defender of American culture and its people, because of the ideals it represented, and because of its role as defender of the free world during the 20th century. We are in an age of unprecedented peace, in large part because American power and belief in the greater good has made it so. Unfortunately, America’s culture has become corrupted, and its people no longer believe in the same righteousness they once did. Perhaps they never will again. I don’t know. What I do know is that America’s media is so all-powerful that it bears the greatest responsibility for the dehumanisation of America. And if the world is to continue to enlighten, it must learn from America’s example, and not allow its people to be shorn of their humanity and principles by this new electronic demagoguery.

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BeachDem  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:16:24pm

re: #53 HappyWarrior

Which possible Dem contenders in 2020 have commented on the DACA repeal?

Well, Kamala signed on as a co-sponsor of Lindsey’s bill.

Repeating from last thread:

Lindsey Graham (I know, shocker) introduced S. 1615: Dream Act of 2017 on July 20

Current co-sponsors:
7 cosponsors (5D, 2R)
Durbin, Richard [D-IL] (joined Jul 20, 2017)
Flake, Jeff [R-AZ] (joined Jul 20, 2017)
Schumer, Charles “Chuck” [D-NY] (joined Jul 20, 2017)
Murkowski, Lisa [R-AK] (joined Jul 24, 2017)
Cortez Masto, Catherine [D-NV] (joined Jul 26, 2017)
Feinstein, Dianne [D-CA] (joined Aug 2, 2017)
Harris, Kamala [D-CA] (joined Aug 2, 2017)

Lucille Roybal-Allard introduced matching bill in House—H.R. 3440: Dream Act of 2017 on July 26

3 cosponsors (2R, 1D)
Ros-Lehtinen, Ileana [R-FL27] (joined Jul 26, 2017)
Coffman, Mike [R-CO6] (joined Jul 28, 2017)
Lofgren, Zoe [D-CA19] (joined Jul 28, 2017)

govtrack.us

SOME legislators HAVE gotten to work…(I admit, I’m not fully versed on the details in the bills, so not sure if it’s exactly what is needed, but obviously, it’s a start.)

Has anyone who can get down in the weeds read it yet?

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freetoken  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:17:11pm

Waves starting to get high in St Barth’s:

St-Barth - Flamand Beach

Anguilla is going to get hit hard.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:17:57pm

re: #113 BeachDem

Well, Kamala signed on as a co-sponsor of Lindsey’s bill.

Repeating from last thread:

Lindsey Graham (I know, shocker) introduced S. 1615: Dream Act of 2017 on July 20

Current co-sponsors:
7 cosponsors (5D, 2R)
Durbin, Richard [D-IL] (joined Jul 20, 2017)
Flake, Jeff [R-AZ] (joined Jul 20, 2017)
Schumer, Charles “Chuck” [D-NY] (joined Jul 20, 2017)
Murkowski, Lisa [R-AK] (joined Jul 24, 2017)
Cortez Masto, Catherine [D-NV] (joined Jul 26, 2017)
Feinstein, Dianne [D-CA] (joined Aug 2, 2017)
Harris, Kamala [D-CA] (joined Aug 2, 2017)

Lucille Roybal-Allard introduced matching bill in House—H.R. 3440: Dream Act of 2017 on July 26

3 cosponsors (2R, 1D)
Ros-Lehtinen, Ileana [R-FL27] (joined Jul 26, 2017)
Coffman, Mike [R-CO6] (joined Jul 28, 2017)
Lofgren, Zoe [D-CA19] (joined Jul 28, 2017)

govtrack.us

SOME legislators HAVE gotten to work…(I admit, I’m not fully versed on the details in the bills, so not sure if it’s exactly what is needed, but obviously, it’s a start.)

Has anyone who can get down in the weeds read it yet?

As of now, I’m really leaning towards Kamala’s way in 2020. Glad to see both Chuck and Dick on board too. Nancy and Steny should join in the House as well.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:23:33pm

re: #2 gocart mozart

these guys are all 100% convinced the reason they can’t get laid a job is feminism DACA immigrants taking them

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:24:12pm

re: #116 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Can’t it be both?

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Belafon  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:24:41pm

re: #116 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

You could have left laid in place and it would still be true.

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jaunte  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:25:31pm

Conducting a seminar on reporter-grabbing.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:25:33pm

This rotten son of a bitch.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:26:18pm

re: #68 Kragar

Hate to burst Rush’s deep thoughts here, but uh, if R.E. Lee were gay, he’d have been jailed on sodomy charges too busy having crazy wanton horseback sex with Jeb Stuart and Stonewall Jackson and never served in military.

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JordanRules  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:26:56pm

re: #119 jaunte

I’m surprised they didn’t give that opportunity to a Dreamer! It’s so hard for white dudes! //

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Charles Johnson  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:27:29pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:27:48pm

re: #120 Charles Johnson

This rotten son of a bitch.

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Such bullshit.

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Amory Blaine  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:28:05pm

re: #112 Renaissance_Man

Damn man, nice piece. Thank you.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:28:20pm

Some articles portray this as a bargaining gambit: finance the wall and he will continue DACA…

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JordanRules  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:28:34pm

re: #123 Charles Johnson

I really wish he’d STFU

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:28:58pm

re: #123 Charles Johnson

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No one is saying they’re actual children. We’re saying they came here as children and this really is the only home they’ve ever known you ignorant piece of shit.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:29:17pm

re: #126 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Some articles portray this as a bargaining gambit: finance the wall and he will continue DACA…

I don’t believe that for a second.

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Belafon  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:29:31pm

re: #126 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Some articles portray this as a bargaining gambit: finance the wall and he will continue DACA…

Until he gets the wall built, and over they go. Or until he needs something else, and then they get threatened again.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:29:43pm

re: #127 JordanRules

I really wish he’d STFU

He’s honestly at his worse when he does something awful like this and pretends to be a caring person.

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jaunte  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:30:32pm
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Mike Lamb  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:30:48pm

Help me out…if DACA “incentivizes” illegal immigration, why would enacting a DACA-like statute, as Trump ostensibly wants, eliminate that incentive?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:30:49pm

If he really cared about these people, he wouldn’t use them as a political prop. I mean, maybe if you do have problems with how DACA was implemented, that I can see but wanting to punish the 800,000 people that are now protected because of it?

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makeitstop  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:30:51pm

re: #126 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Some articles portray this as a bargaining gambit: finance the wall and he will continue DACA…

He can’t back up his campaign promises, so he’s kicking it to Congress so they can take the heat for it.

He’s a coward who can’t stand up for his own beliefs.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:31:07pm

re: #132 jaunte

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RAISE is awful.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:31:31pm

re: #133 Mike Lamb

Help me out…if DACA “incentivizes” illegal immigration, why would enacting a DACA-like statute, as Trump ostensibly wants, eliminate that incentive?

Because shut up libtard, that’s why!

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:32:48pm

re: #96 Blind Frog Belly White

WRT what I mentioned above, that our entire government is being driven by about 1/3 of our population - that 30% were the ones threatening civil war if they, the minority, didn’t get their way.

What about the other 70% of us, who are now being ruled by that minority? At what point does a representative democracy stop being a democracy because it’s no longer representative?

It’s called getting your ass to the voting booth. The country leans left when polled on policy by policy, but the label-obsessed hard right will drag themselves over broken glass and barbed wire in order to vote. I see nothing that can change this behavior except for an extraordinary candidate like Obama. He was a once-in-hundred years type of political candidate.

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JordanRules  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:33:24pm

I like Rhonda’s efficiency!

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Mike Lamb  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:33:44pm

re: #129 HappyWarrior

I don’t believe that for a second.

He probably does. He’s just too stupid to understand that most Republicans in Congress are cool with ending DACA. And even if there was a bipartisan bill, McConnell might keep it from a vote out of spite.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:34:06pm

re: #139 JordanRules

I like Rhonda’s efficiency!

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I imagine the “It’s a distraction” is the hot take from the purer than thou lefties whose lives and families won’t be upturned by this.

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Targetpractice  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:35:27pm

re: #126 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Some articles portray this as a bargaining gambit: finance the wall and he will continue DACA…

That’s not a gambit, call it what it is: Extortion. “Give me what I want or the immigrants get it!”

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:35:41pm

Idiot conservatives parroting bullshit talking points without researching if true, as per usual.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:35:53pm

dailykos.com

This guy has no idea about his party does he? They’re not a fringe element in your party, dude. If they were. Trump wouldn’t have gone anywhere.

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BeachDem  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:36:01pm

re: #102 Ace-o-aces

Follow up on Pharma Bro asking people to assault Hillary Clinton.

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Two questions:

1. Why isn’t this convicted felon in prison?
2. Who believes this asshole has any “friends?”

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bratwurst  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:36:23pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:36:25pm

re: #116 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Sensing a theme here. Like, everything wrong with their lives is someone else’s fault.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:36:42pm

re: #143 goddamnedfrank

Idiot conservatives parroting bullshit talking points without researching if true, as per usual.

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Such bullshit. As for unconstiutional, so was Iran-Contra and people like this tool love to suck off Reagan.

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ObserverArt  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:36:56pm

re: #145 BeachDem

Two questions:

1. Why isn’t this convicted felon in prison?
2. Who believes this asshole has any “friends?”

I think the piece of human garbage is awaiting both sentencing and maybe an appeal process.

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JordanRules  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:37:08pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:37:32pm

re: #147 Blind Frog Belly White

Sensing a theme here. Like, everything wrong with their lives is someone else’s fault.

There you just described 21st century American conservatism in a sentence. My dad has one wingnut acquaintance and all the guy who does is bitch about racial minorities.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:38:02pm

re: #150 JordanRules

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Senor President Fox, he is a weak man who relies on even weaker men for support.

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mmmirele  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:38:09pm

re: #132 jaunte

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Kragar  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:39:04pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:39:19pm

Raining hard this evening. Thunder oto.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:40:22pm

Gee I’m sure mad that Hillary dared to criticize Bernie Sanders in a book because that’s what matters today not that a minimum of 800,000 people may have their lives upended.

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jaunte  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:41:46pm

re: #153 mmmirele

Every job is offshorable until the Jesus nut fails in the CEO’s helicopter.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:42:00pm

re: #152 HappyWarrior

Senor President Fox, he is a weak man who relies on even weaker men for support.

But, you know, the Alpha Males are back, I hear. That’s what Sebastian “Can’t Get Security Clearance” Gorka said. You know, the guy last seen packing his office things into his Mustang and checking out the ‘Help Wanted’ ads in the Daily Stormer?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:42:32pm

re: #158 Blind Frog Belly White

But, you know, the Alpha Males are back, I hear. That’s what Sebastian “Can’t Get Security Clearance” Gorka said. You know, the guy last seen packing his office things into his Mustang and checking out the ‘Help Wanted’ ads in the Daily Stormer?

Agh Dad’s acquaintance talks shit like that too.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:42:35pm

re: #146 bratwurst

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he has no legs on im, just like macgregor

LOL

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:46:20pm

re: #145 BeachDem

Two questions:

1. Why isn’t this convicted felon in prison?
2. Who believes this asshole has any “friends?”

1. Sentencing is pending. But I’m sure the Judge will love to hear about how he threatened a former Secretary of State while awaiting his hearing. That sort of think usually goes over well.

2. None that he didn’t pay for.

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makeitstop  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:46:32pm

re: #155 HappyWarrior

Raining hard this evening. Thunder oto.

We’re supposed to be getting the same up here. It’s still sunny at this point, but it’s getting extremely hazy out there…

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jaunte  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:46:46pm
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BeachDem  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:47:23pm

re: #133 Mike Lamb

Help me out…if DACA “incentivizes” illegal immigration, why would enacting a DACA-like statute, as Trump ostensibly wants, eliminate that incentive?

Answer (to this and just about every other question about him): Trump is full of shit.

(Sorry, not very comprehensive, but like the tides, nobody can explain it.)

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Sir John Barron  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:48:35pm

re: #136 HappyWarrior

RAISE is awful.

Is that the cut legal immigration bill or something else?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:49:02pm

re: #163 jaunte

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Yes, that’s precisely correct Counselor.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:50:11pm

re: #165 Sir John Barron

Is that the cut legal immigration bill or something else?

Yep, that’s David Perdue (Georgia) and Tom Cotton (Arkansas)’s bill. Trump has expressed support for it. The two tried pushing it back in the Winter too. Someone ought to remind Trump that his momma was an immigrant and two of his wives were. Not like he’d care but I’d love to see that shoved his fat face.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:50:25pm

re: #106 ObserverArt

Backwoods_Sleuth…I see you are logged in.

I hope everything is okay with you. I miss your comments.

Internet has been intermittent here.
Also, been busy with shiitakes!

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:51:24pm

re: #162 makeitstop

We’re supposed to be getting the same up here. It’s still sunny at this point, but it’s getting extremely hazy out there…

Yeah I think you guys will get it tonight or tomorrow morning.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:51:27pm

re: #167 HappyWarrior

Yep, that’s David Perdue (Georgia) and Tom Cotton (Arkansas)’s bill. Trump has expressed support for it. The two tried pushing it back in the Winter too. Someone ought to remind Trump that his momma was an immigrant and two of his wives were. Not like he’d care but I’d love to see that shoved his fat face.

And it’s called RAISE?

Orwell rolling in grave.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:52:02pm

re: #169 HappyWarrior

Yeah I think you guys will get it tonight or tomorrow morning.

I think the DC area is going to get something tomorrow and Wed.

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freetoken  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:52:03pm

re: #168 Backwoods_Sleuth

Are you sure those are shiitakes?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:52:13pm

re: #170 Sir John Barron

And it’s called RAISE?

Orwell rolling in grave.

Reforming American Immigration for Strong Employment) Act
en.wikipedia.org

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BeachDem  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:52:17pm

re: #149 ObserverArt

I think the piece of human garbage is awaiting both sentencing and maybe an appeal process.

I know—it just felt good to type convicted felon/prison about the odious creep.

(He thinks he’ll get probation. I certainly hope not.)

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:52:29pm

re: #171 Sir John Barron

I think the DC area is going to get something tomorrow and Wed.

We already got it here in Western Loudoun.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:53:42pm

So not only do I like looking at potential candidates but I like looking at potential cabinet officers too. Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut is too old and maybe not the most charismatic for President but he seems like he could be a good AG pick. I also really like the New York state AG. Schneideman?

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Sir John Barron  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:53:52pm

re: #173 HappyWarrior

Reforming American Immigration for Strong Employment) Act
en.wikipedia.org

So I guess when unemployment is already 4%, an immigration restriction bill has to be styled as a “strong employment” bill.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:54:26pm

re: #177 Sir John Barron

So I guess when unemployment is already 4%, an immigration restriction bill has to be styled as a “strong employment” bill.

//

As you said, Orwell would be proud.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:54:34pm

re: #175 HappyWarrior

We already got it here in Western Loudoun.

I should get it in Maryland soon then.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:54:37pm
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goddamnedfrank  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:54:39pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:54:54pm

RAISE also cuts into a big right wing lie- WE”RE ONLY AGAINST ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION

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Belafon  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:55:03pm

re: #176 HappyWarrior

So not only do I like looking at potential candidates but I like looking at potential cabinet officers too. Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut is too old and maybe not the most charismatic for President but he seems like he could be a good AG pick. I also really like the New York state AG. Schneideman?

I like Schneideman in NY. He doesn’t need to move up.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:55:08pm

re: #179 Sir John Barron

I should get it in Maryland soon then.

Just needs to cross the Potomac I guess.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:55:39pm

re: #183 Belafon

I like Schneideman in NY. He doesn’t need to move up.

Won’t he be term limited by 2020 though? Or are there no limits for NY public servants?

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Targetpractice  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:56:20pm

The people who think that rescinding DACA is about enforcing the law think that Joe Arpaio needed to be pardoned because the court was “railroading” him.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:57:02pm

re: #184 HappyWarrior

Just needs to cross the Potomac I guess.

Send ole George Meade after it then…

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:57:20pm

re: #181 goddamnedfrank

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As you and the rest of the blog know, I’m my family’s genealogist. I don’t know the status of all my ancestors when they came here. Some came legally, some probably came illegally, and others came when there was no such thing as legal or illegal. If I were growing up in El Salvador and seeing all the crime and poverty that has happened there and the crime as I’ve gotten is something our government bears a lot of responsibility for, I’d want to flee too.

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Mike Lamb  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:57:46pm

re: #146 bratwurst

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You idiot, you can’t catch a bat with a blanket, you moron.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:57:53pm

re: #187 Sir John Barron

Send ole George Meade after it then…

Underrated *clap, clap*. A lot of people don’t know it was Meade that commanded the Army of Potomac at Gettysburg.

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JordanRules  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:58:01pm

re: #180 Stanley Sea

Tom Brady sends his love! LOL

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I Would Prefer Not To  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:58:22pm

re: #102 Ace-o-aces

Follow up on Pharma Bro asking people to assault Hillary Clinton.

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When are Sckrelli and Chuck C Johnson getting married?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:58:23pm

re: #186 Targetpractice

The people who think that rescinding DACA is about enforcing the law think that Joe Arpaio needed to be pardoned because the court was “railroading” him.

Yes, yes indeed. Or who think James O’Keefe didn’t do anything wrong.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:59:14pm

re: #180 Stanley Sea

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You know if you’re going to steal signs, do it the traditional way.*
* I hate both teams equally, go O’s!

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ObserverArt  Sep 5, 2017 • 1:59:21pm

re: #168 Backwoods_Sleuth

Internet has been intermittent here.
Also, been busy with shiitakes!

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Good the hear from you. I do miss your posts.

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makeitstop  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:00:21pm

re: #183 Belafon

I like Schneideman in NY. He doesn’t need to move up.

Yeah, leave him where he is until he destroys the Trump brand altogether.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:01:07pm

re: #196 makeitstop

Yeah, leave him where he is until he destroys the Trump brand altogether.

Heh you do have a point. FWIW, I do wonder how many of Obama’s appointees Clinton would have kept in place. I really liked AG Lynch.

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makeitstop  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:01:38pm

re: #185 HappyWarrior

Won’t he be term limited by 2020 though? Or are there no limits for NY public servants?

No term limits for NY AG.

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BeachDem  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:03:06pm

Melania Trump’s immigration lawyer backs DACA

rawstory.com
That’s gonna leave a mark. And, of course, the closing sentence of the article:

The New York Times reported last week that Ivanka Trump, the president’s daughter, and Jared Kushner, his son-in-law, supported DACA, but neither has released a public statement on the matter.

Of course the NYT reported it and of course Javanka have had nothing to say.

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Targetpractice  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:03:14pm

re: #193 HappyWarrior

Yes, yes indeed. Or who think James O’Keefe didn’t do anything wrong.

Or think Edward Snowden deserves a pardon.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:03:21pm

thinkprogress.org

Tom Cotton who sponsors the aforementioned RAISE thinks Trump is doing DACA recipients a “favor.” I really hate this little weasel a lot. Hell, Cotton may be worse than Ted Cruz in some ways.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:03:33pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:03:41pm

re: #200 Targetpractice

Or think Edward Snowden deserves a pardon.

That’s more the lefty bros but yes.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:04:09pm

re: #198 makeitstop

No term limits for NY AG.

Ah okay, i stand corrected. I like the guy though. We have a good AG here in Virginia too.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:04:36pm

re: #199 BeachDem

Melania Trump’s immigration lawyer backs DACA

rawstory.com
That’s gonna leave a mark. And, of course, the closing sentence of the article:

The New York Times reported last week that Ivanka Trump, the president’s daughter, and Jared Kushner, his son-in-law, supported DACA, but neither has released a public statement on the matter.

Of course the NYT reported it and of course Javanka have had nothing to say.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:04:49pm

Mark Herring doesn’t get as much attention but he’s a solid AG and was part of the forefront at turning Virginia light blue.

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JordanRules  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:05:32pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:05:51pm

re: #205 Stanley Sea

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They’re frauds especially Melania Ivanka with her fake concern for humanity. I really do in many a way find her more loathsome than her Dad. Stop pretending you care about these issues because you clearly only care about your name brand.

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Skip Intro  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:06:16pm

re: #161 Ace-o-aces

1. Sentencing is pending. But I’m sure the Judge will love to hear about how he threatened a former Secretary of State while awaiting his hearing. That sort of think usually goes over well.

2. None that he didn’t pay for.

No problem. Trump will pardon him.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:06:31pm

re: #207 JordanRules

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Lindsay can really piss me off sometimes but he may be one of the few decent R’s left.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:06:50pm

re: #209 Skip Intro

No problem. Trump will pardon him.

and promise him Tiffany.

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jaunte  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:08:55pm
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Sir John Barron  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:09:12pm

re: #201 HappyWarrior

thinkprogress.org

Tom Cotton who sponsors the aforementioned RAISE thinks Trump is doing DACA recipients a “favor.” I really hate this little weasel a lot. Hell, Cotton may be worse than Ted Cruz in some ways.

“Slavery was actually good for African-Americans. They got a roof over their heads, they got taught to read and become Christians…”

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Belafon  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:09:20pm

re: #204 HappyWarrior

Ah okay, i stand corrected. I like the guy though. We have a good AG here in Virginia too.

The NY AG is probably the most powerful non-Fed position in this country. And he can’t be touched by the federal government for doing his job. A good person in that position is a good check.

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ObserverArt  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:09:57pm

re: #208 HappyWarrior

They’re frauds especially Melania with her fake concern for humanity. I really do in many a way find her more loathsome than her Dad. Stop pretending you care about these issues because you clearly only care about your name brand.

Ivanka, Happy, not Melania.

Melania is the immigrant with the anchor baby.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:10:04pm

Hillary’s remarks in her book about Bernie promising a pony really struck a nerve with the BBs I know. Good. I am glad she did the subtle reminder that he’s not even a Democrat too.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:10:35pm

re: #213 Sir John Barron

“Slavery was actually good for African-Americans. They got a roof over their heads, they got taught to read and become Christians…”

//

You know, it’s bad enough when you ehar that on the streets. It’s even worse when you ehar that from elected officials now.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:10:44pm

re: #184 HappyWarrior

Just needs to cross the Potomac I guess.

Getting dark here fast. Rain supposed to come much later, but looks like it’s about here now. Don’t think I’m gonna get my run in tonight….

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:10:49pm

re: #215 ObserverArt

Ivanka, Happy, not Melania.

Melania is the immigrant with the anchor baby.

D’oh, danke.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:11:22pm

re: #212 jaunte

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But Kobach’s email!

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:11:55pm

re: #218 Sir John Barron

Getting dark here fast. Rain supposed to come much later, but looks like it’s about here now. Don’t think I’m gonna get my run in tonight….

Bet the O’s game gets canceled or delayed. But yeah I was going to go on a walk after dinner as well. Not happening.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:12:44pm

Wanna bet the GOP will float a bill to save DACA which also includes provisions to cut taxes on the rich, defund Muellers investigation and pay for the Wall?

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ObserverArt  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:12:46pm

re: #216 HappyWarrior

Hillary’s remarks in her book about Bernie promising a pony really struck a nerve with the BBs I know. Good. I am glad she did the subtle reminder that he’s not even a Democrat too.

I’ve seen some Bernie supporters saying Hillary is not a true Democrat either…she’s a Republican Lite NeoCon.

Sigh. This is what gave us Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:13:37pm

Here is why I have no problem with Clinton stirring up the Sanders bros. They need to be reminded that their guy isn’t a saint. I’m especially pissed to see them shitting on Harris who sponsored Sanders bill with him. Go ahead guys, build a movement around a guy who will be 80 in four years who represents one of the whitest states in the Union. That’s really forward looking.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:15:28pm

re: #223 ObserverArt

I’ve seen some Bernie supporters saying Hillary is not a true Democrat either…she’s a Republican Lite NeoCon.

Sigh. This is what gave us Trump.

Yeah I called that bullshit out among the far lefties I know. They have no answer to it so instead they’re bitching about Hillary’s book. As if Sanders didn’t do anything wrong in the primary. And they have the nerve to complain about her trying to divide “The party’s progressive left wing.” You mean the party that Bernie’s too goo dto join? That party? Sorry Bernie isn’t the big or even the issue most days but I really do not think Sanders’ direction is the right one for the party and movement. He’s impractical, too damn old, and too damn ideologically rigid to be a leader.

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BeachDem  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:16:22pm

Whew—great smackdown from Luis Gutierrez’s DACA statement (bolding mine):

…America is a better country than its President and most Americans do not want to see documented immigrants converted into undocumented immigrants. It just takes the country in the wrong direction and will be devastating to individual immigrants and families. The disruption, chaos and fear that this action precipitates will also strain state and local governments, educators, and employers. DACA is a program that has been a smashing success, yet the President, purely out of spite and incompetence is smashing DACA.

gutierrez.house.gov

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:17:05pm

re: #226 BeachDem

Whew—great smackdown from Luis Gutierrez’s DACA statement (bolding mine):

…America is a better country than its President and most Americans do not want to see documented immigrants converted into undocumented immigrants. It just takes the country in the wrong direction and will be devastating to individual immigrants and families. The disruption, chaos and fear that this action precipitates will also strain state and local governments, educators, and employers. DACA is a program that has been a smashing success, yet the President, purely out of spite and incompetence is smashing DACA.

gutierrez.house.gov

Damn good statement.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:18:06pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:18:33pm

I wonder how many times the “We live in a nation of laws” people engaged in underaged drinking. Nothing I hate more than people who smugly act like they always follow the law thumbing their noses.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:19:26pm

re: #228 goddamnedfrank

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This person is such an idiot. And they’ll probably keep on blindly voting GOP too without questioning it.

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jaunte  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:19:49pm

re: #229 HappyWarrior

And happily accepting the literal fruits of labor they decry as illegal.

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JordanRules  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:20:15pm

re: #222 Eclectic Cyborg

Not the wall according to Durbin and Graham. See #207

We shall see tho. This GOP Congress is full of racist, crazy fools!

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:20:29pm

re: #231 jaunte

And happily accepting the literal fruits of labor they decry as illegal.

Yep.

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ObserverArt  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:21:32pm

I hope after all is said and done and the Trump nightmare is over, that stupid wall of his is not completed and he has to live without his “signature” piece for the rest of his miserable life. I hope it becomes the joke that it is and he has to hear about it at every turn. I want that wall to be an indication of political failure for all of time. He deserves that much.

Fuck our Asshole President.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:21:46pm

I can’t see them passing hte DREAM Act. The GOP wouldn’t do immigration reform for Bush who had much better relations with them and actually understood policy. Immigration isn’t going to be Trump’s Nixon Goes to China moment. Trump won’t have a Nixon Goes to China moment or if he does, it will be by accident not design.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:22:26pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:22:26pm

re: #234 ObserverArt

I hope after all is said and done and the Trump nightmare is over, that stupid wall of his is not completed and he has to live without his “signature” piece for the rest of his miserable life. I hope it becomes the joke that it is and he has to hear about it at every turn. I want that wall to be an indication of political failure for all of time. He deserves that much.

Fuck our Asshole President.

I hope he becomes such a pariah that he has to spend his reminding years in Russia. That is if he’s not convicted for the shit he did.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:23:04pm

re: #236 Charles Johnson

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I don’t think we’re ever going to have that day. Nearly every Trump fan I’ve encountered is either a bigot or an apologist for bigotry i nsome way.

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BeachDem  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:24:36pm

re: #238 HappyWarrior

I don’t think we’re ever going to have that day. Nearly every Trump fan I’ve encountered is either a bigot or an apologist for bigotry i nsome way.

An apologist for bigotry is a bigot.

The end.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:25:14pm

re: #239 BeachDem

An apologist for bigotry is a bigot.

The end.

Yeah I should have clarified that. Silent bigot, loud bigot, all the same.

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Belafon  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:25:17pm

re: #223 ObserverArt

I’ve seen some Bernie supporters saying Hillary is not a true Democrat either…she’s a Republican Lite NeoCon.

Sigh. This is what gave us Trump.

“Nope, she’s a Democrat. See the D. Sanders, on the other hand, isn’t.”

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freetoken  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:26:40pm

So some young folk decided to go down to the bay at Port Gustavia and take some pics:

I doubt they have any idea for what they are about to experience.

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BeachDem  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:26:48pm

re: #240 HappyWarrior

Yeah I should have clarified that. Silent bigot, loud bigot, all the same.

Just pulling your leg.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:27:41pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:28:38pm

re: #241 Belafon

“Nope, she’s a Democrat. See the D. Sanders, on the other hand, isn’t.”

TBH, I’m really even not all that impressed by him. Yeah he has some compelling ideas but at the same time, he refuses to see the importance of cultural issues and I’m sorry, I know I shouldn’t judge but I can’t take his I’m proud to be a New Yorker routine that he did after Cruz’s stupid New York values attack when he left one of the most diversity cities in the world for one of the least diverse places in the world in Vermont. I hope no one here from Vermont is offended by that but he (Sanders) has greatly benefited from the fact that Vermont doesn’t have the complex issues that a more diverse state like New York or Ilinois do.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:28:58pm

re: #244 BeachDem

Just pulling your leg.

Your point is well made though.

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Birth Control Works  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:31:05pm

re: #229 HappyWarrior

I wonder how many times the “We live in a nation of laws” people engaged in underaged drinking. Nothing I hate more than people who smugly act like they always follow the law thumbing their noses.

Those who don’t get caught, or feel they can buy themselves out of a criminal charge always act superior.

Mostly White Priviledge.

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ObserverArt  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:31:13pm

re: #246 goddamnedfrank

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The satellite images of Irma are not like the images of any hurricane I’ve seen before. Maybe the technology has increased, but that storm is huge, well defined and all the darkest colors used to indicate its intensity.

But there is no climate change. Nope. Only warmer waters to make these storms increasingly powerful.

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Birth Control Works  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:32:16pm

re: #242 Birth Control Works

retweet if you wish

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someone actually bought a sticker with this saying on it and sent me a message thanking me for making it and complimenting the design.

People can be so nice. There is no real profit in the sale of a single sticker (.17-maybe).

the compliment was worth so much more.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:32:19pm

Together. They tie them together.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:32:55pm

re: #249 Birth Control Works

Those who don’t get caught, or feel they can buy themselves out of a criminal charge always act superior.

Mostly White Priviledge.

Yeah that’s exactly what it is.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:33:35pm

And man I don’t know how many times I have to hear “Well mine emigrated legally.” You don’t know that.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:33:37pm

re: #246 goddamnedfrank

Wow. Hurricane #Irma is now expected to *exceed* the theoretical maximum intensity for a storm in its environment. Redefining the rules.

— Eric Holthaus

It’ll be terrific. Just terrific. Historic. Everybody’s doing well. But the media won’t cover the storm or go near it!

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JordanRules  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:34:31pm
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Birth Control Works  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:34:44pm

re: #254 HappyWarrior

And man I don’t know how many times I have to hear “Well mine emigrated legally.” You don’t know that.

And the proper response is:

“And you know that how? You have the documents showing it?”

I know no one in my family has such records. I don’t know if my ancestor came here legally or not. There is no record at Ellis Island.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:35:18pm

STASI: Steve Mnuchin’s wife is a true dame without shame after that phony apology for her Instagram outburstLet them eat brioche!

Sorry Louise Antoinette Linton — your carefully scripted apology is as phony as you are. It’s gold-plated junk in your 24-karat world.

The woman who insulted the nation, as well as one mom of three in particular, for not being as wealthy and privileged as she, just issued a public apology. And she did it while posing in gowns with price tags between $9,000 and $10,000.

Oh, but not just luxury gowns, for everyday she’s also posing in your average lay-about-the-manicured-lawn casual getup. Not Gap exactly, well not unless Gap’s got $1,600 sportswear.

Mnuchin is a disgusting bankster shitweasel, born to privilege, and has never actually produced anything but some movies that were mostly other people’s work. He has built no factories or ships, writes no software, sells no tangible products, and has found no oil or even gold. (Near useless though it is, gold is at least a THING). He was known for “aggressive foreclosure practices” while he was honcho of the OneWest bankster gang.

It is no surprise that his newest trophy wife (I mean, look at the guy, then look at her) would be utterly out of touch with anything real. The woman grew up in an actual castle for crying out loud and had to withdraw her book of self-praise from publication when it was found to be full of fabrications.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:35:53pm
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Birth Control Works  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:36:21pm

Some of my youthful readers are developing wonderful imaginations. This pleases me. Imagination has brought mankind through the Dark Ages to its present state of civilization. Imagination led Columbus to discover America. Imagination led Franklin to discover electricity. Imagination has given us the steam engine, the telephone, the talking-machine, and the automobile, for these things had to be dreamed of before they became realities. So I believe that dreams — day dreams, you know, with your eyes wide open and your brain machinery whizzing — are likely to lead to the betterment of the world. The imaginative child will become the imaginative man or woman most apt to create, to invent, and therefore to foster civilization. A prominent educator tells me that fairy tales are of untold value in developing imagination in the young. I believe it.
L. Frank Baum, Introduction to The Lost Princess of Oz (1917).

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weave  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:36:59pm

Current wingnut meltdown…

Order by governor of US Virgin Islands to seize guns.

I’m not sure what to make of it. It doesn’t say from private citizens. For all I know it could be referring to securing gun shops and using ammunition from them if needed.

Still, I find it a bit troubling. You don’t write an order like that without being specific as to intent and purpose.

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Birth Control Works  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:41:03pm

Happy 40th launchiversary, Voyager 1!

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JordanRules  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:43:42pm
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austin_blue  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:44:19pm

re: #246 goddamnedfrank

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Amtrak is sold out from Miami already. To anywhere.

If I was in South Florida, I’d consider a little vacation to say, Columbia SC or Charlotte NC about now.

This thing is going to have a historic flood surge. Drive away while you can.

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jaunte  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:44:57pm

re: #261 weave

Is this a real action by the governor, or another stunt to promote gun burial safes?

NYT:

9:50 a.m.

The governor of the U.S. Virgin Islands says he has submitted an emergency declaration to the White House due to the approach of Hurricane Irma and is urging residents of the territory to take the storm seriously.

Gov. Kenneth Mapp says in a news briefing that he doesn’t want to frighten anyone but that forecasters predict the storm could skirt the territory or even pass directly over it.

Mapp says people in the islands may start to feel the storm’s effects around midmorning Wednesday.
nytimes.com

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Sir John Barron  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:45:03pm

re: #259 goddamnedfrank

yeah but the Clinton Foundation….

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:46:11pm

re: #264 austin_blue

Amtrak is sold out from Miami already. To anywhere.

If I was in South Florida, I’d consider a little vacation to say, Columbia SC or Charlotte NC about now.

This thing is going to have a historic flood surge. Drive away while you can.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:47:15pm

Irma la Douche!

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Birth Control Works  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:47:42pm

I was trying to think of other “I” names.

didn’t take me long.

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Birth Control Works  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:48:18pm

re: #268 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Irma la Douche!

that is just wrong!

/;)

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JordanRules  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:50:17pm
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Birth Control Works  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:52:26pm

have to feed my pups!

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Stanley Sea  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:53:05pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:53:13pm

re: #269 Birth Control Works

I was trying to think of other “I” names.

didn’t take me long.

Inga
Irene
Ignatz
Ignacio
Ivan
Ivana
Iggy

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:54:10pm

re: #273 Stanley Sea

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You want to put the hard work of our citizens first, Donald? Resign and never come back.

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BeachDem  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:55:21pm

Good piece that my friend who is an immigration attorney just sent me that breaks down GDP losses state by state from removing DACA workers. Lots of other good data as well.

americanprogress.org

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dangerman  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:56:53pm

i do lots of dangerous stuff. after careful training, planning, practice and understanding the risks involved.

we are not messing around with irma. she is a 5 and heading right for us

we spent the day battening down the hatches, clearing the decks and packing

early tomorrow we load the car with mom, mrs dm, cats and cat supplies mostly (i hope to squeeze a bag in somewhere)

we want to beat most of the exodus by a day or so
we’re in talahassee for starters to wait and see - from there we can go north, north west, or back south down either coast, depending. at least we’re out of the northbound “funnel”. i do not want our hurricane story to be 20+ hours stuck in traffic no bathrooms, no gas, no movement.

i dont care what happens to our “stuff” back home. i dont want our hurricane story to be we stayed and no power or food for a week, or the 8 mile drive to mom’s house was impassable and the phones were dead and i had no idea….

our story will be the non-event road trip. we got out early and nothing happened. we set up shop 500 miles away and nothing happened. we got our work done by wi-fi and nothing happened. (and when i say “work done”, i mean checking in at lgf 20 times a day). we had to move, which we did, and nothing happened.

eventually we came home and found whatever we found.

i cant in good conscience wish these storms to go somewhere else. there are people almost everywhere. a u-turn would be nice.

if you are anywhere in the immediate or future path, take good care and do your plan.

this is the first time ever that im evacuating. it’s the first time ive’ seen a five coming directly for me. i have responsibilities. im neither scared nor worried. we are way out ahead.

we are not messing around with irma

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jaunte  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:57:00pm
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JordanRules  Sep 5, 2017 • 2:57:01pm

Wow!

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 3:00:08pm

re: #279 JordanRules

Wow!

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It’s nice to see a business fighting for people rather than profits.

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BeachDem  Sep 5, 2017 • 3:00:18pm

re: #274 HappyWarrior

Inga
Irene
Ignatz
Ignacio
Ivan
Ivana
Iggy

Ian
Irina
Isadore
Isadora
Ilya
Itzhak
Ilona
Iliana

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 3:00:59pm

I say we try to exploit how Trump has pissed off the business community.

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wrenchwench  Sep 5, 2017 • 3:01:02pm

Weird conversations with people I’ve known for a long time. That’s all I get today. Most recently, a guy I’ve sold several bikes to, and bought them each back when he needed the money (the only guy I’ve done that with) came in to look for his next one. He has a vinagaroon in his house (he told me after I told him of my two from a couple of days ago) and he lets it be, figuring it is there for a reason so it should stay until it’s done. In the first conversation I had with him after my accident, he told me about when he was in a car that was totaled, but he came out of it OK because of the protective moves he made. Then he said, ‘I don’t know if you know this about me, I am very smart.’

That was one. Now I have a customer.

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meteor  Sep 5, 2017 • 3:02:34pm

re: #57 Blind Frog Belly White

I like not getting shot.

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BeachDem  Sep 5, 2017 • 3:02:38pm

This can’t lead to anything good

Where the fuck is the yam going tomorrow, anyway?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 3:02:44pm

You know, you can tell that FNC is trying to deflect on this because they’re running a story about people being pissed about a deal Steve Harvey has with the administration.

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jaunte  Sep 5, 2017 • 3:03:48pm

This is the weirdest semi-state department ever.

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whitebeach  Sep 5, 2017 • 3:04:35pm

re: #281 BeachDem

Ian
Irina
Isadore
Isadora
Ilya
Itzhak
Ilona
Iliana

If you and Happy are listing possible “I” names for a disaster, isn’t “Ivanka” pretty obvious?

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 5, 2017 • 3:05:05pm

That damn John Kelly, still keepin’ a black man down…

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meteor  Sep 5, 2017 • 3:06:12pm

re: #72 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah, me too.

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KGxvi  Sep 5, 2017 • 3:06:13pm

re: #280 HappyWarrior

It’s nice to see a business fighting for people rather than profits.

Smart business owners/executives know that their profits come from the work of their employees. It’s a symbiotic relationship, and it has the added benefit of being the right thing to do.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 3:06:15pm

re: #288 whitebeach

If you and Happy are listing possible “I” names for a disaster, isn’t “Ivanka” pretty obvious?

Hahhaa touche.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 3:06:31pm

re: #291 KGxvi

Smart business owners/executives know that their profits come from the work of their employees. It’s a symbiotic relationship, and it has the added benefit of being the right thing to do.

Zactly.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 3:07:18pm

re: #289 FormerDirtDart

That damn John Kelly, still keepin’ a black man down…

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Agh. Glad Kelly put a nix on that but that it was even considered.

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KGxvi  Sep 5, 2017 • 3:09:08pm

re: #287 jaunte

Press Aide: Mr. Secretary, we have someone asking where you were.

Tillerson: Why? What do they know?

PA: I’m sorry, sir, what?

T: Did they see me at the Vice President’s residence?

PA: You met with the Vice Presiden? Ok, I can draft a statement.

T: No, that didn’t happen. You didn’t hear me say that. Do not write that down.

PA: Then what should I tell them?

T: Tell them you’re looking into it.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 5, 2017 • 3:09:16pm

re: #289 FormerDirtDart

That damn John Kelly, still keepin’ a black man down…

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Clarke has signed on as a “senior advisor” at pro-Trump super PAC America First Action.
All the markings of a “Mob” no-show job

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JordanRules  Sep 5, 2017 • 3:10:38pm
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jaunte  Sep 5, 2017 • 3:11:21pm

Texas pups headed to San Diego.

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electrotek  Sep 5, 2017 • 3:11:33pm

re: #297 JordanRules

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I wouldn’t mind having Arnold as President had he been born here.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 3:12:46pm

Wingnut friend is weird. Labor Day was yesterday and he posts a meme bitching about people saying Happy Holidays and talkoing about “Holiday trees.” i don’t know a person that says holiday tree. I do say Happy Holidays for the reasons why I’ve said before, that big holiday that comes a week after Christmas and also coincides with Hanukkah and Kwanzaa.

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fern01  Sep 5, 2017 • 3:13:29pm

re: #52 Ace-o-aces

No other civilized country in the world provides access to guns the way it is provided in the USA - the citizens of most countries are very thankful to not have a “second amendment”

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 3:13:41pm

re: #297 JordanRules

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Now this is a Republican I respect. Props Arnie. We may not always agree but I’m proud to call you a fellow American.

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JordanRules  Sep 5, 2017 • 3:16:13pm

re: #298 jaunte

I love Southwest!!

I would’ve paid to fly there and fly right back just to escort them.

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fern01  Sep 5, 2017 • 3:16:24pm

re: #61 Targetpractice

It doesn’t really matter at this point, the talking point has been adopted: “Those dirty Mexicans are getting all the bennies that my kids can’t get!”

Notice it’s not much separated from “Those lazy Ni-CLANGs are getting all the college spots!”

The next step is to deport all non-whites back to where they came from - and nothing is impossible with this president* and this administration.

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whitebeach  Sep 5, 2017 • 3:18:10pm

re: #300 HappyWarrior

Wingnut friend is weird. Labor Day was yesterday and he posts a meme bitching about people saying Happy Holidays and talkoing about “Holiday trees.” i don’t know a person that says holiday tree. I do say Happy Holidays for the reasons why I’ve said before, that big holiday that comes a week after Christmas and also coincides with Hanukkah and Kwanzaa.

The family of the Jewish girl who was my companion for many years called a Christmas tree a “Hanukkah bush,” but it was meant as a joke. They also had an alternative name for the plant known as Wandering Jew; they called it “Creeping Jesus.”

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fern01  Sep 5, 2017 • 3:19:09pm

re: #77 Kragar

McConnell refuses to call for legislation to help Dreamers

Of course he refuses - did ANYONE think he would do anything different. This is the GOP - trump exposes all that they have wanted for 50 years.

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austin_blue  Sep 5, 2017 • 3:19:35pm

re: #277 dangerman

i do lots of dangerous stuff. after careful training, planning, practice and understanding the risks involved.

we are not messing around with irma. she is a 5 and heading right for us…

Good for you. Tallahassee looks a good intermediate place to stay ahead of the curve. Be sure to tell your neighbors and the cops you are leaving early. If Miami does get dough-popped, they’ll know not to waste time searching your address.

Inevitably, many people will remain, many because they don’t have $1,000 in ready cash to do it, or they’re old, or they don’t have a car. Or they’re stubborn, stupid, or don’t believe it’s their time to die.

Good luck, dear Lizard, to you and yours. Hope your house(s) make it.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 3:20:02pm

re: #305 whitebeach

The family of the Jewish girl who was my companion for many years called a Christmas tree a “Hanukkah bush,” but it was meant as a joke. They also had an alternative name for the plant known as Wandering Jew; they called it “Creeping Jesus.”

I really want to ask him why he’s bitching about this in September but I don’t want to get his friends on my ass. I respect the guy but man he chooses some weird shit to get upset about. Go ahead, say Merry Christmas and Christmas Tree. No one cares but the reason why retailers say Happy Holidays is because gasp not all their customers celebrate Christmas and as I said that little holiday that’s a week after Christmas Day is a pretty important holiday too.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 5, 2017 • 3:20:38pm

Viral marketing campaign, or some really creepy mofo doing his thing?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 3:21:06pm

re: #306 fern01

Of course he refuses - did ANYONE think he would do anything different. This is the GOP - trump exposes all that they have wanted for 50 years.

He really is. TBH Romney was a bigot and classist asshole too but he did it in private. I think the GOP base fell for Trump so hard because he didn’t hide that bigotry.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 3:21:31pm

re: #309 FormerDirtDart

Viral marketing campaign, or some really creepy mofo doing his thing?

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Can we get Pennnywise to take Trump, please?

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jaunte  Sep 5, 2017 • 3:22:28pm

re: #308 HappyWarrior

Just encourage him to shop only at ostentatiously Christian retailers. He’ll get tired of buying craft supplies.

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wrenchwench  Sep 5, 2017 • 3:24:47pm

A guy wanted a repair estimate for the insurance company of the person who hit his bike on the back of his car. All the bike needs is a new front wheel, but I told him that exceeds the value of the bike. It’s an old Schwinn Varsity. I have a bigger one than his for sale as pound-for-pound, the cheapest bike in the store. $50. 50 lbs. Deal. Dollar per pound.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 3:26:18pm

Imagine a young girl, age 4 or 5, traveling with her parents into the United States as they make the hard decision to pursue a better life here. Imagine that child growing up as your student, your co-worker, your friend. Because of the president’s decision today, she now must live in fear that she will soon be thrown out and sent back to a country she has never known.
This story speaks to the experience of roughly 800,000 people known as DREAMers here in America today. These children didn’t choose to come here, but now many of them are grown with families of their own. They’re paying taxes. They’ve joined the workforce. They went to college. Some of them joined the military. Now, they’ll be sent to countries they don’t even remember.
These people are all Americans. So let’s be clear: throwing them out is cruel. It is inhumane. And it is not America. Congress and the American people now have an obligation to step up and show our neighbors that they’re welcome here, in the only place they’ve ever called home.

From Joe Biden’s Facebook.

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BeachDem  Sep 5, 2017 • 3:26:28pm

re: #288 whitebeach

If you and Happy are listing possible “I” names for a disaster, isn’t “Ivanka” pretty obvious?

The thought of it made me nauseous. Plus, it’s a diminutive of Ivana, which is her real name.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 3:27:54pm

re: #312 jaunte

Just encourage him to shop only at ostentatiously Christian retailers. He’ll get tired of buying craft supplies.

I mean FFS he lives in the Bible Belt from what I understand. Why some people need to have a stranger wish them Merry Christmas and it somehow validates their belief, I don’t know. It’s particularly funny to me because he had something just yesterday about “sensitive liberal snowflakes.” The thing is he is a pretty nice guy, very understanding of my autism and all that but he’s caught up right wing bullshit memes oto much. It’s like dude, you can eb a former Marine and liberal, no shame.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 5, 2017 • 3:28:37pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 3:28:53pm

re: #315 BeachDem

The thought of it made me nauseous. Plus, it’s a diminutive of Ivana, which is her real name.

I imagine Ivanka is like little Ivana or something. Slavic names are funny that way. We don’t have any Ivana’s in my family. Lots of Johns though. Oh man we have lots of Johns.

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jaunte  Sep 5, 2017 • 3:29:32pm

re: #316 HappyWarrior

The sensitive snowflake thing is pure projection, given that a lot of these people can’t even try unfamiliar food.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 3:31:14pm

re: #319 jaunte

The sensitive snowflake thing is pure projection, given that a lot of these people can’t even try unfamiliar food.

Yeah I’ve tried pointing that out to another wingnut friend whom I’m more closer with but who is more obnoxious politically. He doesn’t see how his mocking snowflakes and then whining about transpeople isn’t contradictory at all. Big Ben Shapiro fan. Go figure. Sigh. I liked him better when we were both apolitical.

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fern01  Sep 5, 2017 • 3:32:08pm

re: #112 Renaissance_Man

And if the world is to continue to enlighten, it must learn from America’s example, and not allow its people to be shorn of their humanity and principles by this new electronic demagoguery.

From the treatment of President Obama, the hatred toward providing healthcare, the militarization of law enforcement, the obscene proliferation of guns and open carry and the election of the idiot of the year, no-one currently wants to “learn from America’s example”.

It is difficult to see anything to be learned from the USA at this point in time - or for the past 20 years. President Obama was a guiding light, that too many wanted to see turned out.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 5, 2017 • 3:32:13pm

re: #289 FormerDirtDart

That damn John Kelly, still keepin’ a black man down…

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I proposed on Wonkette earlier today that we start referring to John Kelly as “President Kelly”. Trump would go nuts.

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jaunte  Sep 5, 2017 • 3:32:36pm

Take a look right now at searches in google and twitter for “virgin islands guns” and watch the insane freakout happening in real time with the sensitive snowflakes who think this gubmint is going to pry their clammy hands off their 2nd amendment fetish objects.

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fern01  Sep 5, 2017 • 3:35:21pm

re: #140 Mike Lamb

He probably does. He’s just too stupid to understand that most Republicans in Congress are cool with ending DACA. And even if there was a bipartisan bill, McConnell might WILL keep it from a vote out of spite.

Fixed that.

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jaunte  Sep 5, 2017 • 3:35:34pm

BUT GUNS!

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JordanRules  Sep 5, 2017 • 3:35:44pm

re: #317 wheat-dogg

Love, love, love that book and the film short!!

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EPR-radar  Sep 5, 2017 • 3:38:20pm

re: #323 jaunte

Take a look right now at searches in google and twitter for “virgin islands guns” and watch the insane freakout happening in real time with the sensitive snowflakes who think this gubmint is going to pry their clammy hands off their 2nd amendment fetish objects.

Having elements of the 101st Chairborne engaging in small arms beach defense against oncoming hurricanes seems like the kind of thing to encourage. Perhaps they could be convinced that their success in such missions would piss off liberals.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 5, 2017 • 3:39:04pm

re: #261 weave

Current wingnut meltdown…

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Order by governor of US Virgin Islands to seize guns.

I’m not sure what to make of it. It doesn’t say from private citizens. For all I know it could be referring to securing gun shops and using ammunition from them if needed.

Still, I find it a bit troubling. You don’t write an order like that without being specific as to intent and purpose.

Relevant code section in full:

§ 1522. Authority of Governor for the attachment of articles and to order the closing of establishments

Whenever the Governor orders part or all of the military forces of the Virgin Islands into Territorial Active Military Service under section 1519 he may, by written order—

(1) Direct the Adjutant General or other appropriate authority to seize arms, ammunition, explosives, incendiary material, and any other property that may be required by the military forces.

(2) Prohibit the sale, exchange, loan or donation, during the emergency of arms, ammunition, explosives, gasoline, incendiary material or alcoholic beverages, and the closing of any establishment in which any such property is found.

(3) Declare a curfew, during such periods and with respect to such areas and persons as in his discretion the public safety requires.

(4) Any other powers authorized by law.

Upon termination of the emergency, compensation shall be paid by the Government of the Virgin Islands for the loss, damage, or destruction of any private property taken for Government purposes during the emergency.

lexisnexis.com

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 5, 2017 • 3:39:35pm

re: #325 jaunte

Things spinning up here around Jacksonville…

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jaunte  Sep 5, 2017 • 3:39:39pm

re: #327 EPR-radar

I think they just stay seated and pass the rumors around as fast as possible.

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Kragar  Sep 5, 2017 • 3:40:38pm
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jaunte  Sep 5, 2017 • 3:42:13pm

re: #328 Timothy Watson

(2) Prohibit the sale, exchange, loan or donation, during the emergency of arms, ammunition, explosives, gasoline, incendiary material or alcoholic beverages, and the closing of any establishment in which any such property is found.

OMG it mentions the Holy Objects!

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EPR-radar  Sep 5, 2017 • 3:42:30pm

re: #331 Kragar

Of course it is. That’s the main reason we’re more likely to have a nuclear war because of random idiocy by the US president than ever before.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 5, 2017 • 3:43:43pm

re: #328 Timothy Watson

Relevant code section in full:

lexisnexis.com

I meant to add that it’s probably boiler-plate language which is included in every National Guard deployment.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 5, 2017 • 3:45:32pm
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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Sep 5, 2017 • 3:45:58pm

re: #327 EPR-radar

Having elements of the 101st Chairborne engaging in small arms beach defense against oncoming hurricanes seems like the kind of thing to encourage. Perhaps they could be convinced that their success in such missions would piss off liberals.

“You patriots realize, of course, that the massed reports of thousands of your AR-15s firing from the beach will drive off the hurricane and prevent landfall? If you’re too late for that, it can still force the storm surge to retreat from low-lying areas. True. Confirmed. Fact. This news has been suppressed by the Gorebull Worming communists to keep their manufactured storms from being suppressed by the righteous indignation of gun owners and Christians.”

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EPR-radar  Sep 5, 2017 • 3:47:26pm

re: #334 Timothy Watson

I meant to add that it’s probably boiler-plate language which is included in every National Guard deployment.

That would be my guess as well. Legalese for “don’t fuck with the National Guard during a disaster”.

But I hadn’t realized how little you’d need to change in something like that to end up with a sweeping declaration of martial law.

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austin_blue  Sep 5, 2017 • 3:47:57pm

re: #335 FormerDirtDart

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Kinda like looking down the barrel of a howitzer, isn’t it?

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 5, 2017 • 3:48:45pm

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 5, 2017 • 3:50:00pm

OK, that’s a bit confusing
Typically, two hurricane storm flags flown “together” denote a Hurricane Warning. One by itself is a Hurricane Watch.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 5, 2017 • 3:51:20pm

Evening Lizardim.

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electrotek  Sep 5, 2017 • 3:51:28pm

What’s with these Becky’s?

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wheat-dogg  Sep 5, 2017 • 3:53:36pm

re: #342 electrotek

What’s with these Becky’s?

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Living the life of a middle-class white female.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 5, 2017 • 3:57:16pm

re: #277 dangerman

re: #307 austin_blue

Good for you. Tallahassee looks a good intermediate place to stay ahead of the curve. Be sure to tell your neighbors and the cops you are leaving early. If Miami does get dough-popped, they’ll know not to waste time searching your address.

Inevitably, many people will remain, many because they don’t have $1,000 in ready cash to do it, or they’re old, or they don’t have a car. Or they’re stubborn, stupid, or don’t believe it’s their time to die.

Good luck, dear Lizard, to you and yours. Hope your house(s) make it.

this is the first time ever that im evacuating. it’s the first time ive’ seen a five coming directly for me. i have responsibilities. im neither scared nor worried. we are way out ahead.

we are not messing around with irma

We have upped our likelihood of bugging out to 50-50. We’re leaving early, if needed, because we’ll have a light camper in tow.

d-Man—have you looked at the route that takes you to Dothan via rte 84, then North on 431? It gives you options to kick West at I-80 and I-20. Good, lightly used 4-lane most of the way.

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fern01  Sep 5, 2017 • 3:58:07pm

re: #212 jaunte

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Federal Government law does not apply to the current administration - that has been obvious since day 1.

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dangerman  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:01:24pm

re: #307 austin_blue

Good for you. Tallahassee looks a good intermediate place to stay ahead of the curve. Be sure to tell your neighbors and the cops you are leaving early. If Miami does get dough-popped, they’ll know not to waste time searching your address.

Inevitably, many people will remain, many because they don’t have $1,000 in ready cash to do it, or they’re old, or they don’t have a car. Or they’re stubborn, stupid, or don’t believe it’s their time to die.

Good luck, dear Lizard, to you and yours. Hope your house(s) make it.

i gotta say im way to in survival mode to think ‘privilege’. though maybe for a minute….we both have virtual jobs and are self employed - dont need permission. got a car, made it to the atm, got a fist full of credit cards. have a hotel reservation 500 miles away, and (hopefully) can get gas and food along the way. if we have to in three days we can keep traveling. so yeah, i guess some

otoh, when i wrote i dont care what happens to our stuff - that’s not privilege, that’s prioritizing. i do assume we’ll have a place to come back to, or somewhere else to go, and with virtual work, were ok. what i was saying though is that irma can take everything i own with a memory attached. i still got the memories. and most of the people. and if i lose a harley or a car or whatever (whether privilege or lots of hard work got it ) we’re alive and unharmed. the stuff you surround yourself with is gravy.

i want and want for very little. i have some stuff. if i lose most of it i wont miss it or be too much different, or so i like to tell myself

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Cheechako  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:06:24pm

re: #344 Decatur Deb

For those who are evacuating, be sure and take as many pictures of the outside and inside of your home as you can. Open cabinet doors and drawers and take photos of the contents. Take pictures of every room, every wall, every piece of furniture plus everything in the garage.

Your insurance adjuster will thank you.

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dangerman  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:06:32pm

re: #344 Decatur Deb

We have upped our likelihood of bugging out to 50-50. We’re leaving early, if needed, because we’ll have a light camper in tow.

d-Man—have you looked at the route that takes you to Dothan via rte 84, then North on 431? It gives you options to kick West at I-80 and I-20. Good, lightly used 4-lane most of the way.

havent had time to check routes yet - i will look into your suggestion

this is my first moment to take a breath and see what’s going on. i figure first thing in the am to see what waze has to say then adapt accordingly. im sure well make talhahassee - just a question of 8 or 12 hours - sigh

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dangerman  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:07:20pm

one last thing -

the watchword w/r/t daca is cruelty

hammer it home

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:07:40pm

Hurricane-bound folks - all y’all be safe, y’hear? Let us know if there’s anything we can do to help.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:10:46pm

re: #348 dangerman

havent had time to check routes yet - i will look into your suggestion

this is my first moment to take a breath and see what’s going on. i figure first thing in the am to see what waze has to say then adapt accordingly. im sure well make talhahassee - just a question of 8 or 12 hours - sigh

Just realized you are evacuating INTO Tallahassee. We’re evacuating FROM 40 Miles North of Tallahassee, if the storm gets into the Gulf. Opal gave us a good benchmark for tolerable threat.

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BeachDem  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:11:17pm

re: #332 jaunte

OMG it mentions the Holy Objects!

I’m fine without the guns, ammunition, explosives and gasoline, but can’t imagine being on St. Thomas without alcohol.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:14:24pm

re: #352 BeachDem

I’m fine without the guns, ammunition, explosives and gasoline, but can’t imagine being on St. Thomas without alcohol.

We’re going to have a proper hurricane party, somewhere around Birmingham.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:16:34pm

re: #277 dangerman

i do lots of dangerous stuff. after careful training, planning, practice and understanding the risks involved.

we are not messing around with irma. she is a 5 and heading right for us

we spent the day battening down the hatches, clearing the decks and packing

early tomorrow we load the car with mom, mrs dm, cats and cat supplies mostly (i hope to squeeze a bag in somewhere)

we want to beat most of the exodus by a day or so
we’re in talahassee for starters to wait and see - from there we can go north, north west, or back south down either coast, depending. at least we’re out of the northbound “funnel”. i do not want our hurricane story to be 20+ hours stuck in traffic no bathrooms, no gas, no movement.

i dont care what happens to our “stuff” back home. i dont want our hurricane story to be we stayed and no power or food for a week, or the 8 mile drive to mom’s house was impassable and the phones were dead and i had no idea….

our story will be the non-event road trip. we got out early and nothing happened. we set up shop 500 miles away and nothing happened. we got our work done by wi-fi and nothing happened. (and when i say “work done”, i mean checking in at lgf 20 times a day). we had to move, which we did, and nothing happened.

eventually we came home and found whatever we found.

i cant in good conscience wish these storms to go somewhere else. there are people almost everywhere. a u-turn would be nice.

if you are anywhere in the immediate or future path, take good care and do your plan.

this is the first time ever that im evacuating. it’s the first time ive’ seen a five coming directly for me. i have responsibilities. im neither scared nor worried. we are way out ahead.

we are not messing around with irma

Be well. I was about to hope for you that it go elsewhere, but it’s going to be bad news for a lot of people. Good message.

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Renaissance_Man  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:18:58pm

re: #349 dangerman

one last thing -

the watchword w/r/t daca is cruelty

hammer it home

A huge perk to Trump voters. The cruelty of such a policy is exactly why they want it done.

And CNN and the NYT will theorise as to whether cruelty might be a valid public policy, in the interest of balance.

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BeachDem  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:19:59pm

re: #344 Decatur Deb

We have upped our likelihood of bugging out to 50-50. We’re leaving early, if needed, because we’ll have a light camper in tow.

d-Man—have you looked at the route that takes you to Dothan via rte 84, then North on 431? It gives you options to kick West at I-80 and I-20. Good, lightly used 4-lane most of the way.

I’ve made no decision (nor come up with any particular plan.) My go-to weather guy still going with his 3 scenarios, one (least likely) with it going off to sea; two, having it come over land from the gulf, slowing down, still dropping lots of rain; three, the “worstest,” having it veer to sea from Florida so it can pick up steam over warm water and smack the everloving shit out of us. He says it won’t be clear till the weekend, and will be here Monday or Tuesday (which doesn’t leave much time to get out of Dodge.)

Decisions. Decisions. I need to get gas tomorrow, and I guess some extra cash and foodstuffs. So far, the only preparation I’ve done is making ice and trying to eat stuff from the freezer.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:25:47pm

re: #356 BeachDem

I’ve made no decision (nor come up with any particular plan.) My go-to weather guy still going with his 3 scenarios, one (least likely) with it going off to sea; two, having it come over land from the gulf, slowing down, still dropping lots of rain; three, the “worstest,” having it veer to see from Florida so it can pick up steam over warm water and smack the everloving shit out of us. He says it won’t be clear till the weekend, and will be here Monday or Tuesday (which doesn’t leave much time to get out of Dodge.)

Decisions. Decisions. I need to get gas tomorrow, and I guess some extra cash and foodstuffs. So far, the only preparation I’ve done is making ice and trying to eat stuff from the freezer.

Other than our normal camping prep, we’ve focused on triaging our documents and training the idiot dog to walk up a ramp into the camper. We’re leaving all the replaceable shit behind for the insurance adjuster. I considered taking one of the guns—it would just be a complicator, so they stay in the safe.

Everything important has a pulse.

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BeachDem  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:26:44pm

re: #349 dangerman

one last thing -

the watchword w/r/t daca is cruelty

hammer it home

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:39:38pm

re: #342 electrotek

What’s with these Becky’s?

[Embedded content]

Wow that was some Gish Gallop of horseshit.

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sagehen  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:04:45pm

re: #213 Sir John Barron

“Slavery was actually good for African-Americans. They got a roof over their heads, they got taught to read and become Christians…”

//

Uh… actually, it was a death penalty offense to teach a slave to read.


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