The Bob Cesca Show: The All New Material Girl

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Today’s program from our podcasting affiliate, The Bob Cesca Show:

The All New Material Girl: Comedian Jen Kirkman is here today; Catch her ‘All New Material Girl’ tour starting this week; Back from vacation; Trump and Sessions rescind DACA; Trolling the Left; Cable news and declaring Trump to be presidential; The Pee Pee Tape; Trump’s second Houston trip; Bernie trolls vs Trump trolls; the 25th Amendment; Michael Cohen is the center of the Russia conspiracy; Buy Bob’s reading of the Steele Dossier via Patreon and Band Camp; and much more.

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331 comments

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dangerman  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:08:39pm

as i said below, i gotta run — to reiterate:

one last thing -

the watchword w/r/t daca is cruelty

hammer them on it
it is cruel and inhuman

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:15:11pm

Hi Lizards.

Today is a dumpster fire.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:15:41pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:16:01pm

re: #2 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Hi Lizards.

Today is a dumpster fire.

Drink up, friend. I suspect we all will.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:16:31pm

basically, trump gets to keep all the racist anti immigrant points with the wingnuts, while sticking the gop congress with the hot potato

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wrenchwench  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:17:01pm

re: #2 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Hi Lizards.

Today is a dumpster fire.

The best dumpster, the biggest fire!

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Decatur Deb  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:17:14pm

re: #2 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Hi Lizards.

Today is a dumpster fire.

Warm and bright. Bring some s’mores.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:18:45pm

re: #3 Stanley Sea

Very good!

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:20:27pm

re: #7 Decatur Deb

Warm and bright. Bring some s’mores.

S’mores at a dumpster fire? I prefer my marshmallows not taste like toxic waste, but I’m a picky eater.

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EPR-radar  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:20:29pm

re: #5 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

basically, trump gets to keep all the racist anti immigrant points with the wingnuts, while sticking the gop congress with the hot potato

I don’t see how Congress is getting stuck with a hot potato here. The whole reason DACA exists is that Congress is incapable of dealing sensibly with immigration.

So a good president (Obama) does what good he can via executive action, and an evil president (tr*mp) does what evil he can via executive action.

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wrenchwench  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:20:42pm

re: #7 Decatur Deb

Warm and bright. Bring some s’mores.

Yesterday, my landlady was driving down the hill as I walked up. She paused to say, ‘Never mind the DACA mess, never mind the floods and fires, we’re headed for nuclear war.’ I said, ‘There’s always a bright side. Sometimes it’s really bright.’

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:23:18pm

re: #7 Decatur Deb

Warm and bright. Bring some s’mores.

I am so over warm right now, I can’t even express.

I need a good arctic blast.

Of course, climate change!

Sigh.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:23:48pm
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wheat-dogg  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:25:40pm

Concerned conserva-blonde from downstairs is Allie Stuckey, a vlogger and contributor to The Blaze.I found an interview with her online.

Allie: I was raised in a traditional, conservative, Christian home. My parents successfully pursued the American Dream: they started with nothing, and through incredibly hard work and determination, they created a life for my brothers and me that they never had — a life of opportunity. In so doing, they passed that love for the American Dream onto me, constantly assuring me throughout my childhood that I can, and should, do anything I set my mind to. I don’t remember ever questioning that I would be able to achieve the goals I set for myself; I knew that if I worked hard enough, if I persisted through rejection, setbacks and hardship, I’d get there. I’m grateful for the patriotism, determination and fiercely independent spirit my parents fostered in me.

Minimal bio from imdb.com

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:27:17pm

re: #12 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I am so over warm right now, I can’t even express.

I need a good arctic blast.

Of course, climate change!

Sigh.

Come visit. The high here was 65 degrees today.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:27:31pm

re: #10 EPR-radar

I don’t see how Congress is getting stuck with a hot potato here. The whole reason DACA exists is that Congress is incapable of dealing sensibly with immigration.

So a good president (Obama) does what good he can via executive action, and an evil president (tr*mp) does what evil he can via executive action.

congress can’t do anything to help immigrants bc it’s tops on the list of things the rank and file will punish it for. yet the real owners of the gop, large corporations, really want immigration reform, or as the wingnuts call it, “amnesty”

obama took off some part of the pressure with daca. the gop could bitch at a democrat for doing something that secretly they really wanted to do

but yet again trump blows their cover and calls their bluff. now they either have to really piss off their base or suffer the consequences of massive disruption of business

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JordanRules  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:28:06pm
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Stanley Sea  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:29:35pm
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Decatur Deb  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:29:35pm

re: #9 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

S’mores at a dumpster fire? I prefer my marshmallows not taste like toxic waste, but I’m a picky eater.

First-world problems.

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ObserverArt  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:30:06pm

re: #15 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Come visit. The high here was 65 degrees today.

Columbus 75° and a cool Northwest breeze coming from probably around your neck of the woods.

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jaunte  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:30:21pm

re: #14 wheat-dogg

fiercely independent

What an original turn of phrase!

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Jebediah, RBG  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:30:40pm

re: #14 wheat-dogg

Minimal bio from imdb.com

You weren’t kidding about minimal.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:30:43pm

re: #20 ObserverArt

Columbus 75° and a cool Northwest breeze coming from probably around your neck of the woods.

Yeah, but pretty much anything is a cool breeze compared to the stale wind emanating from the east.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:31:08pm

re: #14 wheat-dogg

I don’t remember ever questioning that I would be able to achieve the goals I set for myself; I knew that if I worked hard enough, if I persisted through rejection, setbacks and hardship, I’d get there.

well, try growing up a poor minority person and then tell me how you would never question that life is fair and that hard work and persistance would always get you to your goals

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wheat-dogg  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:31:27pm

re: #21 jaunte

What an original turn of phrase!

She’s 41, so is she really a “millennial?”

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jaunte  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:32:13pm

re: #25 wheat-dogg

“ish”

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:32:59pm

re: #25 wheat-dogg

She’s 41, so is she really a “millennial?”

…I mean, I think the generation names are kind of bullshit but I’m considered borderline and she’s got almost a decade on me so nope.

Gen-X can keep her.

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wrenchwench  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:33:07pm

re: #25 wheat-dogg

She’s 41, so is she really a “millennial?”

Each of us was born in a millennium.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:33:19pm

re: #22 Jebediah, RBG

You weren’t kidding about minimal.

I’d like to find some evidence supporting her claim that her parents started from nothing, but I suspect there is nothing that proves that claim.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:34:17pm

re: #28 wrenchwench

Each of us was born in a millennium.

Some of us get over it.

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BeachDem  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:34:24pm

re: #8 Stanley Sea

Very good!

Fabulous! He must have had that mostly ready to go before today.

I like that guy. Still can’t believe he was ever married to Kimmy Tinfoil.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:34:59pm

re: #28 wrenchwench

Each of us was born in a millennium.

A lot of us here were born in one and will die in another. Unless you use another calendar to reckon time.

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jaunte  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:35:25pm

re: #30 Decatur Deb

Some of us get over it.

“Where’s your millenium spirit?”

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:36:09pm

re: #30 Decatur Deb

Some of us get over it.

i grew up in another century and some days i wish i could go back there

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Decatur Deb  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:36:14pm

re: #33 jaunte

“Where’s your millenium spirit?”

My millenium was a couple quarts low.

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wrenchwench  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:36:52pm

re: #30 Decatur Deb

Some of us get over it.

My brother was taking a millennium to get born. His big head was stuck. Thus, the first C-section of the sibs, requiring the next 7 to also be born that way, because that’s how they did things back then. Mom had her belly button replaced with a zipper.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:37:10pm

re: #34 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i grew up in another century and some days i wish i could go back there

Make The Holy Roman Empire Great Again.

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Jebediah, RBG  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:38:32pm

re: #29 wheat-dogg

I’d like to find some evidence supporting her claim that her parents started from nothing, but I suspect there is nothing that proves that claim.

Yes, and I also think she and we probably have much different definitions of “nothing.”

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wheat-dogg  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:38:35pm

re: #29 wheat-dogg

I’d like to find some evidence supporting her claim that her parents started from nothing, but I suspect there is nothing that proves that claim.

EDITED — I got the wrong guy. Reload

This is her Facebook page, and Stuckey is her married name.
facebook.com

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ObserverArt  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:38:45pm

re: #16 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

congress can’t do anything to help immigrants bc it’s tops on the list of things the rank and file will punish it for. yet the real owners of the gop, large corporations, really want immigration reform, or as the wingnuts call it, “amnesty”

obama took off some part of the pressure with daca. the gop could bitch at a democrat for doing something that secretly they really wanted to do

but yet again trump blows their cover and calls their bluff. now they either have to really piss off their base or suffer the consequences of massive disruption of business

I really think money wins. The GOP has never proven it was not all about the money.

They have created a nasty base so they are going to pay a huge political price.

They did this to themselves by serving the money men for so long they ended up only with backing from idiots that buy their lies. Like the Tea Party that is really the crazies biting them in the ass and giving Trump a push.

Now they need to govern and they don’t have the backing one way or the other.

Good for them. They own this.

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wrenchwench  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:39:32pm

re: #32 wheat-dogg

A lot of us here were born in one and will die in another. Unless you use another calendar to reckon time.

It’s the 5th of the month! [Past] time to flip the calendars!

(One is from CL. It gets a special flip.)

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:39:46pm

re: #37 Decatur Deb

Make The Holy Roman Empire Great Again.

charles V/frederick the great 2020

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Stanley Sea  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:43:33pm

Soooo the Steele Dossier is in the news.

Trying to find a related tweet - via CNN

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Decatur Deb  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:43:48pm

Off to put Fatso the Wonder Dog through his “Get In The Fuckin’ Camper” drill once more.
BBL

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Stanley Sea  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:45:15pm

re: #43 Stanley Sea

Soooo the Steele Dossier is in the news.

Trying to find a related tweet - via CNN

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:45:50pm

re: #42 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

charles V/frederick the great 2020

Wilhelm/Franz Joseph

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JordanRules  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:47:27pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:48:44pm

re: #47 JordanRules

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Awesome to see that.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:48:54pm

Reload my #39. I got the wrong guy.

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gocart mozart  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:49:47pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:50:25pm

re: #50 gocart mozart

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Do people think he’s Indian or something? What the fuck would he be aside from white?

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JordanRules  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:50:58pm
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Targetpractice  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:51:05pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:51:08pm

re: #50 gocart mozart

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Even if Arpaio were Hispanic, he’d still be white. And your comment is brilliant.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:51:42pm

re: #51 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Do people think he’s Indian or something? What the fuck would he be aside from white?

My guess is this person thought he was Hispanic.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:52:09pm

re: #53 Targetpractice

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I don’t suppose he’ll mind if Irma hits his house and no one cares about doing anything about the flooding. After all, myth right?

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JordanRules  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:52:15pm

re: #53 Targetpractice

I bet his putrid ass evacutes Miami tho.

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ObserverArt  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:53:28pm

re: #50 gocart mozart

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Great optics there.

Let’s give money to celebrate a law breaking fascist in support of party candidates.

Way to go Republicans. Law and Order. Lookin’ good.

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gocart mozart  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:54:23pm

re: #51 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Do people think he’s Indian or something? What the fuck would he be aside from white?

His name sounds Hispanic but that would be too head esploidy/ironic

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:56:45pm

re: #59 gocart mozart

His name sounds Hispanic but that would be too head esploidy/ironic

That was my guess. TBH I find Arpaio being Italian-American and so nativist sad considering the crap Italian Americans have faced. I remember watching a HBO documentary about Vince Lombardi and his surviving family and friends said that him experiencing discrimination as an Italian-American made him that more sensitive to the bigotry the black players he coached. He also was very forward thinking for a man of his generation and profession on homosexuality as well.

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gocart mozart  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:57:27pm

re: #54 HappyWarrior

Even if Arpaio were Hispanic, he’d still be white. And your comment is brilliant.

Funny thing is I think that may be literally true. When did the Irish become white?

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Skip Intro  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:57:38pm

re: #53 Targetpractice

Maybe he will.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:57:40pm

re: #57 JordanRules

I bet his putrid ass evacutes Miami tho.

Rush probably already has his Federal Flood Insurance and FEMA forms already filled out.,,,,,OH! and he lost his meds in the storm and needs more.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:58:15pm

My posting my G-Gpa’s petition for naturalization resonated with people and most neat of all, my Slovene cousin saw it and liked my post. Quite remarkable to think about. Only three generations apart. I can’t imagine what my life would be if my great grandfather were the one that stayed in Slovenia.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:58:51pm

re: #53 Targetpractice

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He lives in Palm Beach.

He’s definitely bugging out.

Asshole.

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EPR-radar  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:58:52pm

re: #63 b.d. (bill d.)

Rush probably already has his Federal Flood Insurance and FEMA forms already filled out.,,,,,OH! and he lost his meds in the storm and needs more.

Maybe Rush will get confused and send off a claim to the flood insurer for several lost sex slaves.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 4:59:09pm

re: #61 gocart mozart

Funny thing is I think that may be literally true. When did the Irish become white?

Probably around John L. Sullivan’s time. The Slavs is a different story. And the Germans were always white though the Catlicks complicated that matter. And yeah the reason why I thought your post was brilliant because it really did take things like sports for white Protestant Northern European America to see white ethnics as white.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:00:02pm

What will the wingnut evangelicals say when Irma wipes out Mar a Lago?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:00:30pm

re: #68 b.d. (bill d.)

What will the wingnut evangelicals say when Irma wipes out Mar a Lago?

PRay for Mar-a-Lago. Please donate a buck.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:00:33pm

re: #61 gocart mozart

Funny thing is I think that may be literally true. When did the Irish become white?

Soon after they became police officers and politicians.

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makeitstop  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:01:26pm

re: #68 b.d. (bill d.)

What will the wingnut evangelicals say when Irma wipes out Mar a Lago?

We could always spread the rumor that it was God smiting Trump for being an asshole.

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Ace Rothstein  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:01:49pm

re: #68 b.d. (bill d.)

What will the wingnut evangelicals say when Irma wipes out Mar a Lago?

The devil did it.

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BeachDem  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:01:58pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:02:06pm

re: #70 wheat-dogg

Soon after they became police officers and politicians.

Well after Tammany declined a bit. But yeah. I’ve told you guys about this before but my mom’s maternal grandfather is listed as mulatto on the 1910 census. I don’t think that was an accident. Funny thing is years later a black colleague asked my mom if she was part black. She laughed it off.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:02:15pm

We could deport this asshole to the Third Reich but it doesn’t exist anymore.

Steve King: Deported Dreamers Can Teach Home Countries ‘How A Civilized People Interact With Each Other’

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b.d. (bill d.)  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:03:42pm

re: #71 makeitstop

We could always spread the rumor that it was God smiting Trump for being an asshole.

It’s not a rumor.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:03:46pm

re: #75 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

We could deport this asshole to the Third Reich but it doesn’t exist anymore.

Steve King: Deported Dreamers Can Teach Home Countries ‘How A Civilized People Interact With Each Other’

You don’t know the first thing about civility, Steve. You want Nuremberg Citizenship laws. Go choke on Hitler’s charred ashes, Nazi. Sorry maybe that was too nasty but I’m tired of Steve King being the worst racist in Congress since Jesse Helms and getting little blowback on it.

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BeachDem  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:04:32pm

re: #75 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

We could deport this asshole to the Third Reich but it doesn’t exist anymore.

Steve King: Deported Dreamers Can Teach Home Countries ‘How A Civilized People Interact With Each Other’

Not if they’ve spent any time around Steve King.

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Targetpractice  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:04:48pm

re: #75 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

We could deport this asshole to the Third Reich but it doesn’t exist anymore.

Steve King: Deported Dreamers Can Teach Home Countries ‘How A Civilized People Interact With Each Other’

*primal scream*

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wrenchwench  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:04:53pm

re: #75 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

We could deport this asshole to the Third Reich but it doesn’t exist anymore.

Steve King: Deported Dreamers Can Teach Home Countries ‘How A Civilized People Interact With Each Other’

This is their home country. I wish they could teach Steve King a thing or two.

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Kilroy was here  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:05:02pm

Portland Oregon’s main water supply is very close to the wildfires.
Not affected…. yet.
katu.com

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:05:05pm

re: #78 BeachDem

Not if they’ve spent any time around Steve King.

What we should do is send Steve King to Mars and keep the DREAMers.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:05:33pm

re: #80 wrenchwench

This is their home country. I wish they could teach Steve King a thing or two.

Can’t teach those that don’t want to be teached. King’s no doubt in the KKK.

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gocart mozart  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:06:55pm

re: #60 HappyWarrior

Lot of Italians are racist.
[WTF is this?]

Youtube Video

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Kilroy was here  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:08:17pm

re: #75 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

We could deport this asshole to the Third Reich but it doesn’t exist anymore.

Steve King: Deported Dreamers Can Teach Home Countries ‘How A Civilized People Interact With Each Other’

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BeachDem  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:08:41pm

If Irma hits St. Martin, the yam will probably want to invade, so he can declare an emergency and send federal funds to himself.

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Targetpractice  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:09:03pm

It’s bad enough that the GOP is prepared to fuck over hundreds of thousands of people whose one desire is to be American citizens. But that the ones speaking up the loudest are the truly inhumane fuckers who are trying to spin this as a “good thing” for those thousands is one of the reasons I pray nightly for the Sweet Meteor of Death to hurry the fuck up.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:09:23pm

re: #84 gocart mozart

Lot of Italians are racist.
[WTF is this?]

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Oh I know. A lot of Irish were racist too. An interesting story. First person I really talked to in Ireland about Obama(I lived there for a month and studied there during Obama’s first summer) was a black immigrant cab driver.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:10:42pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:11:05pm

re: #87 Targetpractice

It’s bad enough that the GOP is prepared to fuck over hundreds of thousands of people whose one desire is to be American citizens. But that the ones speaking up the loudest are the truly inhumane fuckers who are trying to spin this as a “good thing” for those thousands is one of the reasons I pray nightly for the Sweet Meteor of Death to hurry the fuck up.

Yeah, it’s bad enough that this happened but the really fucked up ones are the ones saying this is good or then you have Ann Coulter who is upset that this may give people a pathway to citizenship. Let’s jsut say it. Ann Coulter is a Nazi. I won’t do the Man Coulter thing. No, I’ll call her what she actually is, a Nazi psycho who is a pathetic bigot and will die alone and hopefully penniless.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:11:23pm

re: #89 FormerDirtDart

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But Rush said!

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wrenchwench  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:11:52pm

I’m going home to watch the second half of ‘A Day In The Life of a Cat.’

Later, lizards.

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danarchy  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:13:10pm

re: #90 HappyWarrior

Yeah, it’s bad enough that this happened but the really fucked up ones are the ones saying this is good or then you have Ann Coulter who is upset that this may give people a pathway to citizenship. Let’s jsut say it. Ann Coulter is a Nazi. I won’t do the Man Coulter thing. No, I’ll call her what she actually is, a Nazi psycho who is a pathetic bigot and will die alone and hopefully penniless.

you kinda just did

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JordanRules  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:14:14pm

Good Lord!

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Citizen K  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:14:21pm

re: #75 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

We could deport this asshole to the Third Reich but it doesn’t exist anymore.

Steve King: Deported Dreamers Can Teach Home Countries ‘How A Civilized People Interact With Each Other’

Sadly, this man continues to get elected and treated like a serious person. He’s living proof that wanton cruelty and hate can be and far to often is a winning strategy. It’s what so many goddamn Americans either crave outright or will tolerate, long as they get to thumb a lib in the eye because apparently nothing worse in this country than a fucking dirty libby lib. And god help me, I worry that this reflexive contrarianism and immediate tolerance for anything that pisses off the ‘other’ will continue to see the GOP for the near future, especially with the inevitable pushback from folks trying to actually fix the goddamn country instead of cater to its worst pathologies.

Like it or not, it feels like Cleek’s Law has become the true guiding path to victory and power in this country.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:15:31pm

re: #93 danarchy

you kinda just did

I meant I won’t call her that. Saying that isn’t the same as using it as a slur.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:16:15pm

re: #94 JordanRules

Good Lord!

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We’re going to need a bigger boat.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:16:40pm

re: #89 FormerDirtDart

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My Stepdad in Palm Beach County is hunkering down.

I don’t think he realizes the possibilities.

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Brian J.  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:18:21pm

We’ve seen this story before, but here it is again, from New Hampshire this evening:

1. Independent demagogue visits New Hampshire for book tour and 2020 campaign stop.

2. Supporter of independent demagogue wins Democratic nomination as write-in candidate.

3. Supporters of independent demagogue extend losing streak.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:19:15pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:19:35pm

On the topic of Irma, I commented on this earlier. It seems interesting to me how we are desensitized to certain types of natural disasters, based on where we are raised. Talking to a friend in California, he treats earthquakes as a minor annoyance that might give him a start, whereas I would flip right the hell out. On the other hand, he NOPE’d right out of any chance of moving anywhere near where tornadoes form, whereas I would stand on my back porch and videotape one going by. Hurricane people are accustomed to packing up and taking off before a storm - or, for the hardcore, battening down the hatches and drinking heavily - whereas I would probably move inland for 9 months of the year rather than risk it. They’re all potentially deadly events and catastrophic in their own right, but the way we react to them is so different, based on how we’re raised to respect (or disrespect) them.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:20:59pm

re: #101 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

On the topic of Irma, I commented on this earlier. It seems interesting to me how we are desensitized to certain types of natural disasters, based on where we are raised. Talking to a friend in California, he treats earthquakes as a minor annoyance that might give him a start, whereas I would flip right the hell out. On the other hand, he NOPE’d right out of any chance of moving anywhere near where tornadoes form, whereas I would stand on my back porch and videotape one going by. Hurricane people are accustomed to packing up and taking off before a storm - or, for the hardcore, battening down the hatches and drinking heavily - whereas I would probably move inland for 9 months of the year rather than risk it. They’re all potentially deadly events and catastrophic in their own right, but the way we react to them is so different, based on how we’re raised to respect (or disrespect) them.

As I find a piece of wood to knock on…….

Earthquakes are so rare though.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:21:27pm

re: #102 Stanley Sea

As I find a piece of wood to knock on…….

Earthquakes are so rare though.

Major ones, sure. To me, the mere thought of the ground moving under my feet is enough to give me nightmares.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:21:29pm

re: #101 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

On the topic of Irma, I commented on this earlier. It seems interesting to me how we are desensitized to certain types of natural disasters, based on where we are raised. Talking to a friend in California, he treats earthquakes as a minor annoyance that might give him a start, whereas I would flip right the hell out. On the other hand, he NOPE’d right out of any chance of moving anywhere near where tornadoes form, whereas I would stand on my back porch and videotape one going by. Hurricane people are accustomed to packing up and taking off before a storm - or, for the hardcore, battening down the hatches and drinking heavily - whereas I would probably move inland for 9 months of the year rather than risk it. They’re all potentially deadly events and catastrophic in their own right, but the way we react to them is so different, based on how we’re raised to respect (or disrespect) them.

To be fair, a minor earthquake is just an annoyance at most.

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ObserverArt  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:22:28pm

re: #75 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

We could deport this asshole to the Third Reich but it doesn’t exist anymore.

Steve King: Deported Dreamers Can Teach Home Countries ‘How A Civilized People Interact With Each Other’

Let’s deport him so people in another country learn how a racist can’t interact with others and is a real danger to good people. A much more realistic, valuable and demonstrable scenario.

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BeachDem  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:22:43pm
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Brian J.  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:23:16pm

re: #104 klys (maker of Silmarils)

To be fair, a minor earthquake is just an annoyance at most.

True, but a major one is more than that, and I was in Pasadena for the Northridge quake.

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Targetpractice  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:24:06pm

Remember when the worst we had to worry about from a Republican in the White House was an unnecessary war and tax cuts for the rich?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:24:09pm

re: #102 Stanley Sea

As I find a piece of wood to knock on…….

Earthquakes are so rare though.

And a tornado’s path is relatively narrow and short, so your odds of getting directly hit by one are pretty astronomical. But they still freak out coastlanders who can’t comprehend a wall of wind blowing upwards of 200 mph.

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ObserverArt  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:24:25pm

re: #83 HappyWarrior

Can’t teach those that don’t want to be teached. King’s no doubt in the KKK.

Nah. He doesn’t need the robes and secrecy. Steve King is overt with his fascism.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:24:33pm

re: #107 Brian J.

True, but a major one is more than that, and I was in Pasadena for the Northridge quake.

Sure. But there’s a difference in reactions to a Cat 1 hurricane versus a Cat 5, or an EF-0 tornado versus an EF-5.

It’s really just semantics of which way you want your house demolished and how much warning do you want to be out of the way, if possible.

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MsJ  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:25:09pm

Oh please. Please please 🙏

Thread.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:25:44pm

re: #110 ObserverArt

Nah. He doesn’t need the robes and secrecy. Steve King is overt with his fascism.

Good point.

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JordanRules  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:26:39pm

re: #101 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Being from Arizona and not really having any to contend with made me super oblivious when I lived other places. Drove thru a blizzard in Michigan and had no idea until after. Sat thru a rare tornado in downtown Atlanta and was equally clueless. I didn’t do any of the things I should have. Sigh. I’m happy everything worked out okay.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:26:45pm

re: #111 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Sure. But there’s a difference in reactions to a Cat 1 hurricane versus a Cat 5, or an EF-0 tornado versus an EF-5.

It’s really just semantics of which way you want your house demolished and how much warning do you want to be out of the way, if possible.

I think what it comes down to is the magnitude and scale versus the predictability. Hurricanes are unpredictable, but generally give the longest lead time because they are the most persistent; so you can usually be somewhat sure it’s coming in a reasonable amount of time to clear the path. (“Usually” being the key word, because they can still surprise us.) Tornadoes just form out of storm clouds, wreak havoc, and disappear with very little relative warning, but their damage path is incredibly localized compared to the swath of destruction from a ‘cane.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:27:08pm

re: #112 MsJ

Oh please. Please please 🙏

Thread.

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If we follow the theory of lashing out, could be.

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MsJ  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:28:25pm

re: #103 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Major ones, sure. To me, the mere thought of the ground moving under my feet is enough to give me nightmares.

I had PTSD for weeks. I was in a 5.8 in California and cried for weeks after going home. I was terrified and it just wouldn’t stop.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:28:28pm
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Skip Intro  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:29:04pm

re: #112 MsJ

Oh please. Please please 🙏

Thread.

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And how do Dems do that?

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ObserverArt  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:29:42pm

re: #94 JordanRules

Good Lord!

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Wow. I think Ohio is about 200+ miles tall and wide.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:30:00pm

re: #115 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I honestly can’t think of which form of natural disaster would make me nope out. I mean, the key for all of them is to be prepared and know what you’re dealing with. Beyond that it seems silly to consider one better or worse to deal with than another.

Maybe lahars? If I had to name one.

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Belafon  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:31:08pm

re: #75 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

We could deport this asshole to the Third Reich but it doesn’t exist anymore.

Steve King: Deported Dreamers Can Teach Home Countries ‘How A Civilized People Interact With Each Other’

No they can’t, Steve, because you’re a congressman.

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Brian J.  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:31:28pm

re: #120 ObserverArt

Wow. I think Ohio is about 200+ miles tall and wide.

That’s actually not that big for a tropical storm.

“At one point, Sandy’s hurricane-force winds (at least 74 mph) extended up to 175 miles (280 kilometers) from its center and tropical storm-force winds (39 mph) out to 485 miles (780 km).”

livescience.com

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:31:38pm

re: #10 EPR-radar

I don’t see how Congress is getting stuck with a hot potato here. The whole reason DACA exists is that Congress is incapable of dealing sensibly with immigration.

So a good president (Obama) does what good he can via executive action, and an evil president (tr*mp) does what evil he can via executive action.

Let’s see if a Republican-dominated Congress can finally do something substantive and good and legislate comprehensive immigration reform. The ball is firmly in their court.

It’s almost as if Trump has set them up for failure which is astonishing considering that members of Congress will soon be campaigning for 2018.

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JordanRules  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:32:11pm

re: #112 MsJ

Does the drafting of the letter make it more formal than him just telling Lester Holt on national TV? I’ve been trying to figure out why this draft letter may be a tipping point.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:32:13pm

re: #121 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I honestly can’t think of which form of natural disaster would make me nope out. I mean, the key for all of them is to be prepared and know what you’re dealing with. Beyond that it seems silly to consider one better or worse to deal with than another.

Maybe lahars? If I had to name one.

Yeah, it’s just interesting to me to see the differing reactions across regions. If you’re prepared for one thing, you look at something else and wonder exactly how you would deal with it. Proper adults would be able to adapt to any of them, but it’s not something you usually give conscious thought to if you live a thousand miles or more from the nearest hurricane zone, for example.

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MsJ  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:32:59pm

re: #119 Skip Intro

And how do Dems do that?

Perhaps by asking Mueller to start looking into foreign campaign contributions by Russians across the board. I’m good with his looking at Dems, too. If you’re on Russia’s side, you’re no American - whichever side of the aisle your politics lie.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:33:29pm

re: #75 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

We could deport this asshole to the Third Reich but it doesn’t exist anymore.

Steve King: Deported Dreamers Can Teach Home Countries ‘How A Civilized People Interact With Each Other’

Huh?? Wth? Who are the civilized people if which he speaks? Surely, he doesn’t include himself in that lot? What a piece of trash. Yet the Republicans never call him out on his blatant bigotry.

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Skip Intro  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:33:53pm

re: #127 MsJ

I mean how do Dems make impeachment begin.

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JordanRules  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:34:12pm

re: #123 Brian J.

Look at the overlay in #94, it’s huge.

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Kilroy was here  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:35:49pm

The “fiscal conservative’s” view of Trump

Consequences schmonsequences, as long as I’m rich!

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Decatur Deb  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:36:08pm

re: #61 gocart mozart

Funny thing is I think that may be literally true. When did the Irish become white?

Between Antietam and Gettysburg.

en.wikipedia.org

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:36:09pm

re: #82 HappyWarrior

What we should do is send Steve King to Mars and keep the DREAMers.

Martians did nothing to deserve King. Send him to Russia.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:36:23pm

Meanwhile my apartment complex has numerous buildings that were in the process of having new siding installed last week that have not been completed.
And, there is a massive pile of removed old siding & new siding trimmings residue just sitting there waiting for gale force winds to throw it around

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MsJ  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:37:00pm

re: #125 JordanRules

Does the drafting of the letter make it more formal than him just telling Lester Holt on national TV? I’ve been trying to figure out why this draft letter may be a tipping point.

I’d think yes. Trump says whatever shit pops into his tiny mind all the time and I bet a good attorney could successfully argue that (Your honor, my client lies all the time.. Let me run down the lies from just last week!) But putting it into written form is the big time.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:37:03pm

re: #121 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I honestly can’t think of which form of natural disaster would make me nope out. I mean, the key for all of them is to be prepared and know what you’re dealing with. Beyond that it seems silly to consider one better or worse to deal with than another.

Maybe lahars? If I had to name one.

Black Death. Stick with the classics.

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Brian J.  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:37:20pm

re: #130 JordanRules

Look at the overlay in #94, it’s huge.

It’s not small, but hurricanes usually cover a lot of area. Here are pictures of Hurricane Katrina; the fourth one shows the storm nearly spanning the Gulf of Mexico from Louisiana to the Yucatan.

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MsJ  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:37:55pm

re: #129 Skip Intro

I mean how do Dems make impeachment begin.

Pressure. From US. All of us.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:38:08pm

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!

*gasp*

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:39:31pm
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JordanRules  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:40:12pm

re: #135 MsJ

IANAL and that argument sounds crazy to me but if you could establish it what would stop it from extending to written (actually dictated) communications too?

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Brian J.  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:41:18pm

re: #99 Brian J.

4. Supporter of independent demagogue is a sore loser.

(I’m all for a candidate’s right to request a recount, but you’re not going to find 54 votes out of only about 1200 cast.)

Edit: Of course there’s a link to the “DNC Fraud Lawsuit” on Adjutant’s Facebook site! And Veterans for Tulsi Gabbard!

facebook.com

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Khal Wimpo (wounded at Bowling Green)  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:41:56pm

re: #129 Skip Intro

I mean how do Dems make impeachment begin.

They do not. It is not possible for impeachment to begin until such time as the GOP is voted out of power in the House. And that won’t happen unless there is a large and unexpected turnout of formerly apathetic voter groups in what are considered to be “safe” GOP gerrymandered districts. And yes, the biggest change might - I say MIGHT - be the passions stirred up by the clear racism of the GOP, animating Latinos to actually turn out this time around.

If the GOP looks like it’s going to lose Texas, the Crown Jewel of their Southern Strategy, then yeah, they’ll start to stand up to Trump.

Otherwise?

No.

“If you don’t give a shit about the government … why should the government give a shit about you?”
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FormerDirtDart  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:42:09pm

Yep, he’s blackmailing Congress for wall money

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JordanRules  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:42:19pm

re: #137 MsJ

I promise I’m not being a downer, but there is no amount of pressure on Dems that can overcome the fact that Republicans have to be on board too. It truly sucks.

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teleskiguy  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:42:20pm
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MsJ  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:43:20pm

re: #141 JordanRules

IANAL and that argument sounds crazy to me but if you could establish it what would stop it from extending to written (actually dictated) communications too?

I don’t think so. Some arbitrary oral vomit that trump regularly spews could be explained as extemporaneous yada yada, misspoke, lied as he always does, etc. Written word is not extemporaneous. It’s calculated. I see a difference. And I see the written word supporting the oral, which would be really bad for him.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:43:42pm

re: #146 teleskiguy

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Fucking pig.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:43:49pm

re: #121 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I honestly can’t think of which form of natural disaster would make me nope out. I mean, the key for all of them is to be prepared and know what you’re dealing with. Beyond that it seems silly to consider one better or worse to deal with than another.

Maybe lahars? If I had to name one.

I think the thing that bothers me about hurricanes and tornadoes - the latter especially - is that, while a big earthquake does a lot of damage and kills people, having one tends to make having another one soon after less likely (once you get past aftershocks). OTOH, having your home destroyed this year by a hurricane does nothing to preclude it happening again next year. Tornadoes? Shit, you could get another one the next DAY!

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Decatur Deb  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:44:56pm

re: #143 Khal Wimpo (wounded at Bowling Green)

They do not. It is not possible for impeachment to begin until such time as the GOP is voted out of power in the House. And that won’t happen unless there is a large and unexpected turnout of formerly apathetic voter groups in what are considered to be “safe” GOP gerrymandered districts. And yes, the biggest change might - I say MIGHT - be the passions stirred up by the clear racism of the GOP, animating Latinos to actually turn out this time around.

If the GOP looks like it’s going to lose Texas, the Crown Jewel of their Southern Strategy, then yeah, they’ll start to stand up to Trump.

Otherwise?

No.

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An all-wise Providence put President Trump on Earth for some dumb-ass reason or another.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:44:59pm

re: #136 Decatur Deb

Black Death. Stick with the classics.

I read some great books on the topic in high school, when I got onto the subject because of the Great Fire of London.

Also did a nice paper on the deals the US made with the war criminals behind the Japanese biological warfare research in WWII. Wonder which hard drive those might still be living on.

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JordanRules  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:45:50pm

re: #147 MsJ

And I see the written word supporting the oral, which would be really bad for him.

This defintely makes a lot of sense.

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Kragar  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:46:03pm
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FormerDirtDart  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:46:16pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:46:20pm

re: #146 teleskiguy

He’s trying to have his cake and eat it, too. Rescind DACA to make his racist base happy, but then make it Congress’s fault, and even suggest he might un-rescind if they don’t, because he’s almost certainly been glued to CNN and other news while people talk about him in increasingly negative tones.

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ObserverArt  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:47:04pm

re: #109 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

And a tornado’s path is relatively narrow and short, so your odds of getting directly hit by one are pretty astronomical. But they still freak out coastlanders who can’t comprehend a wall of wind blowing upwards of 200 mph.

Oh you are talking about tornados with the “wall of wind bit.”

Being from Ohio, I too am familiar with tornados.

But I was not familiar with another wall of wind that hit a big portion of America from Iowa to the east coast.

A derecho - straight line wind storm.

I got caught trying to get home from where I worked in Delaware county about 20 miles. The most nerve racking dangerous drive ever. I didn’t know the type of storm and had no idea the intensity when our company owner called and told us to get the hell going because he saw it coming.

I couldn’t outrun it. So, I got stuck right in it dodging flying objects, other cars that had drivers freaking out, traffic lights out, debris stacking against the walls on the freeway, etc.

June 2012 North American derecho

A bit of the Wiki page about Ohio:

Moving southeastward to east-southeastward at about 60 mph (95 km/h)—a speed and trajectory that the derecho maintained for its entire lifespan—it followed the stationary front and increased in size as it entered Ohio in the mid-afternoon hours, affecting a large portion of the state. Since the derecho was clearly underway and expected to last a long time, the SPC increased the threat level to a moderate risk of severe weather at 3:37 p.m. EDT (1937 UTC) across Ohio, West Virginia and small portions of neighboring states, warning of the extreme wind threat.[6] It crossed over the Columbus area at approximately 5:00 p.m. EDT, with winds reported to 82 mph (132 km/h) there, and caused severe damage to the power grid in Franklin, Delaware, and Licking Counties. Winds were in excess of 80 mph (128 km/h) as well reported at many other locations across the state

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Stanley Sea  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:47:22pm
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Odie Hugh Manatee  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:47:57pm

re: #5 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

basically, trump gets to keep all the racist anti immigrant points with the wingnuts, while sticking the gop congress with the hot potato

Hair Furor is a guy who has been wealthy enough that he hasn’t had to think about anything more complicated than his basest thoughts because he hires people to take care of everything else. The Tangerine Nazi Rape Clown in the White House isn’t doing this to appease his base, that’s just a bonus as far as he’s concerned. He’s doing this to erase every single accomplishment of former President Obama. It’s really that simple because he is a simpleminded man. People who are paying attention know that he isn’t a smart or complex man, he’s a mean and petty rich asshole who is enjoying having the power to do whatever he wants.

President Asshole himself said that ‘you don’t just get revenge, you get them 10X worse’. The Angry Orange is after every single one of Obama’s accomplishments to get revenge for his humiliating the shit out of him at the White House Press Correspondent’s Dinner. It’s that simple; he wants revenge for being humiliated by a Black Man and he is going to use the Presidency and the Republican party to exact his revenge.

In his opinion, Obama abused the office by attacking Trump so it’s fair for him to use the office to erase Obama’s accomplishments. The Republican party knows that Trump has no core political ideology but they don’t care. They don’t care that he is wanting to undo Obama’s accomplishments solely for revenge because the enemy of their enemy is their leader. It’s like two lampreys sucking on each other, the Groper in Chief is using them and they are using him. Whatever they want changed, all the Republicans have to do is tell Combover Caligula that Obama made it happen and BLAM!, Cheeto Jesus is ready to kill it.

I’ve watched the video of the dinner that Obama humiliated him at and the Tangerine Tyrant’s body language says it all, loud and clear. He glares at Obama with his piggish eyes, like a chained rabid pit bull.

He isn’t a leader, he’s a shell of a man filled with nothing but the basest of the basest thoughts. Revenge is all that fuels him right now.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:49:51pm

re: #156 ObserverArt

Oh you are talking about tornados with the “wall of wind bit.”

Being from Ohio, I too am familiar with tornados.

But I was not familiar with another wall of wind that hit a big portion of America from Iowa to the east coast.

A derecho - straight line wind storm.

I got caught trying to get home from where I worked in Delaware county about 20 miles. The most nerve racking dangerous drive ever. I didn’t know the type of storm and had no idea the intensity when our company owner called and told us to get the hell going because he saw it coming.

I couldn’t outrun it. So, I got stuck right in it dodging flying objects, other cars that had drivers freaking out, traffic lights out, debris stacking against the walls on the freeway, etc.

June 2012 North American derecho

A bit of the Wiki page about Ohio:

Yeah, those are fun too. Wind speeds aren’t as high as a tornado, but it’s basically a mini hurricane. One of those, or something like it, knocked a tree onto the house I was renting when I first moved to the wild north country all those years ago.

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Brian J.  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:50:14pm

re: #157 Stanley Sea

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This is why I’m honestly becoming more supportive of corporations than of many politicians (and most of the so-called Left): the claim that “the only color they care about is green” still leaves Corporate America a big step up from the White Whining Class.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:51:17pm
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Kragar  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:51:45pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:51:53pm

re: #157 Stanley Sea

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I think we need to exploit how Trump is alienating business leaders.

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Khal Wimpo (wounded at Bowling Green)  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:52:35pm

It is my sincere hope that trolls like Coulter, Limbaugh, Hannity, et al., wind up their ugly lives as did Walter Winchell, once the unassailable right-wing voice of America’s underbelly:

Larry King, who replaced Winchell at the Miami Herald, observed:

He was so sad. You know what Winchell was doing at the end? Typing out mimeographed sheets with his column, handing them out on the corner. That’s how sad he got. When he died, only one person came to his funeral: his daughter.

I hope I live to see these right RWNJs broken and humiliated, as the movement that once fed them moves on, and they are outcast for their many crimes & indiscretions.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:53:26pm

re: #156 ObserverArt

and then the SECOND derecho a week later!

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JordanRules  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:56:30pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:57:08pm

re: #164 Khal Wimpo (wounded at Bowling Green)

It is my sincere hope that trolls like Coulter, Limbaugh, Hannity, et al., wind up their ugly lives as did Walter Winchell, once the unassailable right-wing voice of America’s underbelly:

I hope I live to see these right RWNJs broken and humiliated, as the movement that once fed them moves on, and they are outcast for their many crimes & indiscretions.

Unfortunately, there’s twitter and a seemingly bottomless pit of money for these cretins to feed from.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:57:45pm

re: #166 JordanRules

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See Crow, Jim.

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Skip Intro  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:58:30pm

re: #167 GlutenFreeJesus

Winchell didn’t have the Mercers to back him up.

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JordanRules  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:58:36pm
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teleskiguy  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:58:40pm
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Targetpractice  Sep 5, 2017 • 5:59:50pm

re: #144 FormerDirtDart

Yep, he’s blackmailing Congress for wall money

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And the response earlier today was “Fuck no.” There is virtually no support for the Great Wall to Trump’s Ego outside of the wingnut caucus. This GOP leadership couldn’t be clearer, they will not die on this hill for Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:00:21pm

re: #170 JordanRules

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I really hate these racist assholes.

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Skip Intro  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:00:50pm

re: #170 JordanRules

Breitbart is a racist hate site that still has two (at least) employees in senior positions in the Trump WH.

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JordanRules  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:02:49pm

re: #173 HappyWarrior

Indeed. They’re disgusting. The Mercers and their minions spread vileness and evil.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:02:49pm

re: #174 Skip Intro

Breitbart is a racist hate site that still has two (at least) employees in senior positions in the Trump WH.

It’s Stormfront.

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JordanRules  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:03:33pm

re: #174 Skip Intro

It’s mainstream. It’s scary.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:04:08pm

There is some number of billionaires that is not lethal to a democracy. It is very small.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:04:27pm

re: #177 JordanRules

It’s mainstream. It’s scary.

I mean NRO is bad enough but these bastards are unreal.

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:05:35pm

re: #16 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

This is a twofer for Fuckface Von Clownstick. By rescinding DACA with a delay he exacts some revenge on Obama plus he gets back the Republican officeholders who kept him from his ultimate revenge; killing Obama’s biggest accomplishment, the ACA. Now the Republican politicians have to do the dirty work for him, much like Sessions delivering his missive today. If they fail, they suffer for it in the next election and he wins again.

Kim Jong Orange wants revenge for every slight he has suffered.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:05:45pm

re: #178 Decatur Deb

There is some number of stupid billionaires that is not lethal to a democracy. It is very small.

fyt

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Kragar  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:08:55pm
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JordanRules  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:10:56pm

re: #180 Odie Hugh Manatee

If they lose bad enough in the next election, he does not win. Even if we don’t get enough to finally get this impeachment business over with, he won’t be able to do shit.

He can still go extra legal which will ramp up the autocratic forces around him even more. At that point, it’s a new ball game.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:11:00pm

re: #181 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

fyt

It’s not about their intelligence, it’s about an Immune Class, a result of mathematics and human nature.

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ObserverArt  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:11:15pm

re: #123 Brian J.

That’s actually not that big for a tropical storm.

“At one point, Sandy’s hurricane-force winds (at least 74 mph) extended up to 175 miles (280 kilometers) from its center and tropical storm-force winds (39 mph) out to 485 miles (780 km).”

livescience.com

Big enough to swallow the width of Florida should it turn and go straight up through the keys into Miami.

Add in how well formed this is and the reports that have scientists watching something that may be unique in intensity I’d say it is plenty big.

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gocart mozart  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:11:30pm

Great new protest song released today

NO BAN NO WALL- Nicole Zuraitis


Nicole is from my hometown, I met her, seen her perform a few times, normally more of a jazz singer like so:

Youtube Video

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Skip Intro  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:11:50pm

re: #180 Odie Hugh Manatee

Letting Sessions make the announcement was a gift to Beauregard, similar to Dracula giving Renfield a spider to eat.

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Kragar  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:12:30pm
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Kragar  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:13:08pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:14:23pm

re: #189 Kragar

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That’s what he’s always been. It’s why he’s the kind of guy that sues if he’s described as a millionaire and not a billionaire. He’s a petty and pathetic little man who should have never been anywhere near the Presidency but due to right wing dumbshits and misnformation, here we are.

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Ace Rothstein  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:15:40pm

Rachel is missing a big point of the 1924 Immigration Act. While it banned Asians and created quotas for immigrants from specific countries, it had no limit on immigrants from?…south of the border.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:16:07pm

re: #184 Decatur Deb

It’s not about their intelligence, it’s about an Immune Class, a result of mathematics and human nature.

then kind of like the impact of a fairly conducted draft vs an all volunteer army on military policy

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teleskiguy  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:16:48pm
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ObserverArt  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:16:52pm

re: #125 JordanRules

Does the drafting of the letter make it more formal than him just telling Lester Holt on national TV? I’ve been trying to figure out why this draft letter may be a tipping point.

No one has really been allowed to define what all kinds of crazy that letter is claimed to be.

It supposedly blows Trump’s whole position for firing Comey out of the water and is said to make it clear it was all about trying to stop the Russian inquiries.

From the hints the media has been able to put together it is over-the-top in bitching about it all. That is why his one lawyer called off it getting sent. He knew it was a bomb.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:17:01pm

re: #190 HappyWarrior

That’s what he’s always been. It’s why he’s the kind of guy that sues if he’s described as a millionaire and not a billionaire. He’s a petty and pathetic little man who should have never been anywhere near the Presidency but due to right wing dumbshits and misnformation, here we are.

What kind of weakass loser looks at a guy who was born stinking rich, whose Daddy bailed his ass out repeatedly, who whines so constantly about being treated unfairly, and says, “That guy is STRONG!!! That’s the kind of manly strength we need!”??

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Decatur Deb  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:18:26pm

re: #192 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

then kind of like the impact of a fairly conducted draft vs an all volunteer army on military policy

It ain’t me, it ain’t me, I ain’t no fortunate son.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:19:48pm

re: #195 Blind Frog Belly White

What kind of weakass loser looks at a guy who was born stinking rich, whose Daddy bailed his ass out repeatedly, who whines so constantly about being treated unfairly, and says, “That guy is STRONG!!! That’s the kind of manly strength we need!”??

The kind who wants to be that guy, because he’s insecure in his own ability to make good for himself.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:20:02pm

re: #191 Ace Rothstein

Rachel is missing a big point of the 1924 Immigration Act. While it banned Asians and created quotas for immigrants from specific countries, it had no limit on immigrants from?…south of the border.

I think about the 1924 Immigration Act a lot since it was targeted at people like my mom’s grandparents. Mom’s grandparents were all here by then fortunately but my mom’s maternal grandmother as she was my great grandfather’s second wife emigrated last. My family’s emigration ranges from Washington’s first term to 1921 or if you want to include my SiL’s family in my lifetime. All that has given me a lot to think about my family and emigration.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:20:38pm

re: #195 Blind Frog Belly White

What kind of weakass loser looks at a guy who was born stinking rich, whose Daddy bailed his ass out repeatedly, who whines so constantly about being treated unfairly, and says, “That guy is STRONG!!! That’s the kind of manly strength we need!”??

I wish I knew the answer to that. I’ve never found Trump impressive. I always found him an obnoxious self promoter.

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Targetpractice  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:21:19pm

So Donny Two Scoops gets told by Jefferson Beauregard that he’s going to have to take the axe to DACA because the DOJ won’t defend it despite months of promises from Donny to do right by Dreamers. So Donny passes the announcement off to JB, passes the job of addressing the DACA to Congress, and says there’s a six month time limit. Now he’s come back and said if Congress won’t do anything, he’ll “revisit” the issue “later.”

Won’t that put him back at Step One, having an AG yelling in his ear that the DOJ won’t defend the DACA? And if not, just what does he plan to do in six months?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:21:35pm

re: #193 teleskiguy

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No kidding. It ain’t that fucking simple. Just as it ain’t that simple to “just get naturalized”

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:22:02pm

re: #193 teleskiguy

My advice to #Dreamers is to move your fam to a blue state with a government who pledges to protect you. You’re in danger in red states.

my advice to you is to emigrate to a country that hates immigrants the way you do

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teleskiguy  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:24:15pm
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ObserverArt  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:24:29pm

re: #159 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Yeah, those are fun too. Wind speeds aren’t as high as a tornado, but it’s basically a mini hurricane. One of those, or something like it, knocked a tree onto the house I was renting when I first moved to the wild north country all those years ago.

I have heard that the derecho type storms are also going to be more frequent due to climate change. I had never been in one like that before 2012.

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JordanRules  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:24:40pm

re: #194 ObserverArt

But he said it on national TV too. I’m starting to question my sanity. LOL Like wait, did he really say it? Maybe he didn’t really, really say it.
It’s sort of like all the other things just hanging out there that nothing is being done about - perjury from multiple folks, lying on security clearances etc.

I guess the letter can certainly make a better case because, as you said, we don’t have the details but he shouldn’t be given a pass for gaslighting all of us because it’s so blatant. He’s supposed to be President and his words mean things. He told us why he did it and didn’t give a damn.

Uggh, I’m just incensed at all the lack of accountability for the whole regime. So much already broken.

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makeitstop  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:24:57pm

An update on the baby in the car…

Facebook Post

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Stanley Sea  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:25:53pm

Read this

He’s watching the news & seeing all the negativity.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:27:42pm

He’s whiplashing

In the “DACA talking points” memo, the White House laid out a number of bullet points for supporters on Tuesday’s announcement outlining the administration’s action. One bullet point suggests DACA participants should prepare to leave the country.
“The Department of Homeland Security urges DACA recipients to use the time remaining on their work authorizations to prepare for and arrange their departure from the United States — including proactively seeking travel documentation — or to apply for other immigration benefits for which they may be eligible,” the memo says.

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ObserverArt  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:28:21pm

re: #178 Decatur Deb

There is some number of billionaires that is not lethal to a democracy. It is very small.

They are looking at costs monetarily, nothing more. They just have decent PR people to make them seem non-lethal in a statement.

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The Spite House  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:28:22pm

Truth.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:28:29pm

re: #207 Stanley Sea

Read this

He’s watching the news & seeing all the negativity.

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This just saddens me. This country once welcomed Irish famine victims, Russian Jews fleeing pogroms, and so many others. I guess deep down I know the welcome wouldn’t have been as big had they not been white. And that’s really what this is all about. The average immigrant of 2017 doesn’t look like them so it’s okay ot be a nativist dick.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:30:06pm

re: #21 jaunte

What an original turn of phrase!

Needs to be said over and over, with stirring conviction.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:30:08pm

re: #193 teleskiguy

I cannot stand that idiot.

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ObserverArt  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:32:34pm

re: #200 Targetpractice

So Donny Two Scoops gets told by Jefferson Beauregard that he’s going to have to take the axe to DACA because the DOJ won’t defend it despite months of promises from Donny to do right by Dreamers. So Donny passes the announcement off to JB, passes the job of addressing the DACA to Congress, and says there’s a six month time limit. Now he’s come back and said if Congress won’t do anything, he’ll “revisit” the issue “later.”

Won’t that put him back at Step One, having an AG yelling in his ear that the DOJ won’t defend the DACA? And if not, just what does he plan to do in six months?

Too late to start looking at this stuff with a realistic thought process. What are you doing hurting your brain like that trying to figure this out?

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Belafon  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:33:07pm

re: #157 Stanley Sea

It’s time for them to start threatening their corporate employees.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:33:52pm

re: #209 ObserverArt

They are looking at costs monetarily, nothing more. They just have decent PR people to make them seem non-lethal in a statement.

Always leave room for the exception.

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Brian J.  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:33:58pm

re: #191 Ace Rothstein

Rachel is missing a big point of the 1924 Immigration Act. While it banned Asians and created quotas for immigrants from specific countries, it had no limit on immigrants from?…south of the border.

The 1924 Immigration Act divided the national immigrant quota of among nationalities based upon the number from that nation already in the US in 1890, setting the quota at 2% of the number there at that time. This effectively discriminated against the southern and eastern Europeans who immigrated in large numbers early in the 20th century and gave large numbers of passes to Germans and British, where demand was scarce.

en.wikipedia.org

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:34:08pm

I’d like to share this with you guys. This is an obituary of my third great grandmother. She died 109 years ago. No one is presumably left who would have known her. My own Nana didn’t know her. Everytime I hear “SPEAK ENGLISH”, I think of her. I also think about the left she must have lived. Mayo if you don’t know Ireland is in the far West and when Bridget was born in the 1810’s, it was very isolated and outside the landlords very little English was spoken by the people there. She lived into the age of airplanes. I’d do anything to have an interview with her but I can’t for obvious reasons.

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Targetpractice  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:35:00pm

re: #214 ObserverArt

Too late to start looking at this stuff with a realistic thought process. What are you doing hurting your brain like that trying to figure this out?

Burning time til midnight, then I can turn my brain off to play Destiny.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:35:24pm

re: #217 Brian J.

The 1924 Immigration Act divided the national immigrant quota of among nationalities based upon the number from that nation already in the US in 1890, setting the quota at 2% of the number there at that time. This effectively discriminated against the southern and eastern Europeans who immigrated in large numbers early in the 20th century and gave large numbers of passes to Germans and British, where demand was scarce.

en.wikipedia.org

Yep it discriminated against my mom’s family. I have no idea where I’d be if it had been passed even five years earlier. It angers me. They used the hard labor of men like my great grandfathers in the mines and then when they got tired of them, they did shit like that.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:36:34pm

re: #119 Skip Intro

And how do Dems do that?

Unfortunately, Democrats can’t do anything except shame their Republican counterparts into doing the right thing. But impeachment is not likely to happen in our current Congress.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:36:43pm
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Stanley Sea  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:37:06pm

re: #218 HappyWarrior

“A victim of wanderlust”

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Kragar  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:37:43pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:38:11pm

re: #222 Charles Johnson

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It creates disillusionment. And man it is so, so, so cruel. I don’t care how you feel about the executive order. These are human beings and action needed to be taken because the R’s in Congress had no desire at all to work with Obama on immigration.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:39:11pm

re: #223 Stanley Sea

“A victim of wanderlust”

Yep, can’t find what happened to him. The surviving daughter was my Nana’s great aunt who helped raise her and her sisters after their mother died.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:41:08pm

re: #218 HappyWarrior

Cool that you even have that.

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Kragar  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:41:45pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:42:18pm

re: #227 Patricia Kayden

Cool that you even have that.

Yeah, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette Archives has been so helpful to my research. I have a copy of my mom’s paternal grandfather’s petition for citizenship too. Looked at the date he filed it. 1917. Literally a hundred years ago and he was the same age as my brother was when he filed it and already a father of four children.

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Kragar  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:43:21pm
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Targetpractice  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:46:59pm

re: #228 Kragar

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The DACA folks were told if they came forward, they registered and gave their information to the government, it would be a step towards integration and eventually citizenship. That they had not personally broken the law, they were victims as much as anybody, and coming forward would a positive step in the right direction.

What Trump has done today is convince millions of “illegals” that there is nothing to be gained by coming forward. That if the come forward, it will just make it easier for ICE to find them and deport them. That if they stay in the shadows, they will be safer than those who did put their faith in the government.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:47:46pm

re: #218 HappyWarrior

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I’d like to share this with you guys. This is an obituary of my third great grandmother. She died 109 years ago. No one is presumably left who would have known her. My own Nana didn’t know her. Everytime I hear “SPEAK ENGLISH”, I think of her. I also think about the left she must have lived. Mayo if you don’t know Ireland is in the far West and when Bridget was born in the 1810’s, it was very isolated and outside the landlords very little English was spoken by the people there. She lived into the age of airplanes. I’d do anything to have an interview with her but I can’t for obvious reasons.

About 10 years after she died, part of my family lived about 15 blocks from there. By then Manchester had turned into perhaps the toughest part of Pittsburgh.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:48:10pm

re: #231 Targetpractice

The DACA folks were told if they came forward, they registered and gave their information to the government, it would be a step towards integration and eventually citizenship. That they had not personally broken the law, they were victims as much as anybody, and coming forward would a positive step in the right direction.

What Trump has done today is convince millions of “illegals” that there is nothing to be gained by coming forward. That if the come forward, it will just make it easier for ICE to find them and deport them. That if they stay in the shadows, they will be safer than those who did put their faith in the government.

In short, he’s creating people who are outsiders in their own country and repeating a lot of the same mistakes that have led to radicalization abroad.

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scottslemmons  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:49:14pm

re: #224 Kragar

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Ya know what? Clarke needs to get a hat that fits his goddamn head.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:49:15pm

re: #232 Decatur Deb

About 10 years after she died, part of my family lived about 15 blocks from there. By then Manchester had turned into perhaps the toughest part of Pittsburgh.

Hell maybe your family knew mine because my Nana grew up in Manchester.

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Kragar  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:49:29pm

re: #231 Targetpractice

I know people who didn’t come forward for DACA precisely because it wasn’t a done deal.

They made the right call.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:50:46pm

It just breaks my heart how cruel this is. It’s against everything we should stand for as Americans. I just find myself questioning our country big time tonight.

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sagehen  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:51:18pm

re: #103 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Major ones, sure. To me, the mere thought of the ground moving under my feet is enough to give me nightmares.

The first line of defense against earthquakes is in the building codes. California is really good about that.

(sorta trivia — in the early 1980’s, Mayor Diane Feinstein of San Francisco took a *lot* of shit from anti-tax, antispending groups about her pushing through a $10 million earthquake retrofit for Candlestick Park. Extra pillars, steel-reinforced, etc.

But when Loma Prieta happened in 1987, during a World Series game, and 20,000 people didn’t die… everyone had to apologize for complaining about the project.)

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:51:29pm

re: #210 The Spite House

Since Harvey’s sucking up to Trump, I’ve stopped watching any of his shows and stopped listening to his radio show. Why he agreed to meet a man who ran such a bigoted campaign is beyond me. Perhaps he thought he could make money off Trump.

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MsJ  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:52:04pm

re: #228 Kragar

This is why I won’t go anywhere near those whitehouse.gov petitions any longer.

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:52:33pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:52:40pm

re: #240 MsJ

This is why I won’t go anywhere near those whitehouse.gov petitions any longer.

I don’t comment using my real name on news stories because I don’t want harassment from the Trumpers.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:52:52pm

re: #235 HappyWarrior

Hell maybe your family knew mine because my Nana grew up in Manchester.

They lived there about 1920. By the time I got there in the 50s, Manchester was a no-go zone. If I went past the Aviary park I opened the knife in my pocket. That might have been teenage overcaution.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:53:34pm

re: #198 HappyWarrior

I think about the 1924 Immigration Act a lot since it was targeted at people like my mom’s grandparents. Mom’s grandparents were all here by then fortunately but my mom’s maternal grandmother as she was my great grandfather’s second wife emigrated last. My family’s emigration ranges from Washington’s first term to 1921 or if you want to include my SiL’s family in my lifetime. All that has given me a lot to think about my family and emigration.

It is that Act under which “Law and Order” Representative Steve King wants to rescind my citizenship.

I posited that question on my citizenship to my village attorney (a Republican) and he opined that would be an ex-post facto law. I noted though that the Republicans have long sought to remove birthright citizenship protections from the XIV Amendment for non-slave descendants. He said he would get back with me. That was three months ago.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:54:24pm

re: #243 Decatur Deb

They lived there about 1920. By the time I got there in the 50s, Manchester was a no-go zone. If I went past the Aviary park I opened the knife in my pocket. That might have been teenage overcaution.

Yeah Nana and her fam would have been living on Shefield by then. Had no idea it was a tough neighborhood. Dad’s Dad grew up in a more upper class and German neighborhood. You know the Northside, lots of marriages between Germans and Irish. My great aunt and uncle married Irish as well.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:55:06pm

re: #231 Targetpractice

Yup. It’s projection with conservatives, always, all my life. Reagan campaigned on the idea you couldn’t trust government. Now that Republicans are in charge, they are setting out to prove that.

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Targetpractice  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:55:21pm

re: #233 HappyWarrior

In short, he’s creating people who are outsiders in their own country and repeating a lot of the same mistakes that have led to radicalization abroad.

Indeed, he’s creating the very same breeding ground that we’re seeing Europe, where second and third generation immigrants are treated from birth as second class citizens. They’re not “true” Frenchmen, not “true” Germans, not “true” British subjects, etc. They’re the children of “outsiders,” forced to remain in their own segregated neighborhoods, treated as suspect when no matter how clean they keep their noses, and forever being passed over for jobs and opportunities that go to “true” natives.

Anger, resentment, and depression is a witch’s brew that conjures up the worst in people. Terror group recruiters find plenty of willing converts among those who feel that they’ve no connection to the “infidels” they’re waging war against.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:55:45pm

re: #244 Anymouse 🌹

It is that Act under which “Law and Order” Representative Steve King wants to rescind my citizenship.

I posited that question on my citizenship to my village attorney (a Republican) and he opined that would be an ex-post facto law. I noted though that the Republicans have long sought to remove birthright citizenship protections from the XIV Amendment for non-slave descendants. He said he would get back with me. That was three months ago.

It’s scary isn’t it? A whole bunch of people would have to produce proof of their grandparents legal immigration. King can really go to hell.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:55:53pm

re: #245 HappyWarrior

Yeah Nana and her fam would have been living on Shefield by then. Had no idea it was a tough neighborhood. Dad’s Dad grew up in a more upper class and German neighborhood. You know the Northside, lots of marriages between Germans and Irish. My great aunt and uncle married Irish as well.

Had a drink there this Summer—it’s all under the stadium complex now.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:56:33pm

re: #247 Targetpractice

Indeed, he’s creating the very same breeding ground that we’re seeing Europe, where second and third generation immigrants are treated from birth as second class citizens. They’re not “true” Frenchmen, not “true” Germans, not “true” British subjects, etc. They’re the children of “outsiders,” forced to remain in their own segregated neighborhoods, treated as suspect when no matter how clean they keep their noses, and forever being passed over for jobs and opportunities that go to “true” natives.

Anger, resentment, and depression is a witch’s brew that conjures up the worst in people. Terror group recruiters find plenty of willing converts among those who feel that they’ve no connection to the “infidels” they’re waging war against.

It honestly until now was something I always thought we could pride ourselves on. Our immigrants were and have been assimilated much better. Trump’s making that difficult though by this and his general rhetoric.

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The Spite House  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:56:58pm

Oh wow, Irma is officially the most powerful hurricane ever recorded. 185mph sustained winds.

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teleskiguy  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:57:07pm

re: #234 scottslemmons

Ya know what? Clarke needs to get a hat that fits his goddamn head.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:57:12pm

re: #249 Decatur Deb

Had a drink there this Summer—it’s all under the stadium complex now.

I need to check it out. We saw Dad’s Dad’s house when we went to the Bucs game a few years ago but we didn’t go to his mom’s house because I didn’t have the address.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:57:25pm

re: #251 The Spite House

Oh wow, Irma is officially the most powerful hurricane ever recorded. 185mph sustained winds.

Oh wow.

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sagehen  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:57:56pm

re: #136 Decatur Deb

Black Death. Stick with the classics.

Actually super-curable. A little penicillin, and you’re fine.

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gocart mozart  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:58:00pm
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scottslemmons  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:58:08pm

re: #251 The Spite House

Oh wow, Irma is officially the most powerful hurricane ever recorded. 185mph sustained winds.

Holy crap. :(

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William Lewis  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:58:18pm

re: #192 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

then kind of like the impact of a fairly conducted draft vs an all volunteer army on military policy

That’s why I want 100% national service. Turn 18 do 2 years. Everyone.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:58:46pm

re: #248 HappyWarrior

It’s scary isn’t it? A whole bunch of people would have to produce proof of their grandparents legal immigration. King can really go to hell.

My father’s parents’ immigration (fleeing the Nazis) was illegal under that act. If the GOP wants to go full metal racist, I’m toast.

That’s why when Trump won I started keeping our passports in my car’s glovebox. I suspect I would at least have a chance in Mexico or Canada.

And hope to pay for it from all those who say “well, if you don’t like where you live (red state) why don’t you move?” I won the Lotto yesterday ($9 and a free ticket). I wonder how far I can get on $9?

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Targetpractice  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:59:06pm

re: #251 The Spite House

Oh wow, Irma is officially the most powerful hurricane ever recorded. 185mph sustained winds.

But, you know, this is just something that happens. Scientists can’t claim that this is climate change because Cletus J. Fuckwit remembers that time that his cousin down in Mobile said a really powerful hurricane came through back in 1922 and that’s proof that this stuff happens in “cycles.”

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danarchy  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:59:13pm

re: #251 The Spite House

Oh wow, Irma is officially the most powerful hurricane ever recorded. 185mph sustained winds.

I thought there was one that was 190 like in the 1930s or something, at least that is what the TV told me

Edit:
OK not 1930s, 1980

en.wikipedia.org

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 6:59:46pm

re: #258 William Lewis

That’s why I want 100% national service. Turn 18 do 2 years. Everyone.

You sound like my Dad. His belief is that the national service would bring people together of all socio-economic backgrounds together and would help in fostering interracial dialogues and relationships. Have to say, I’m much more warm to it than when I was younger.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:00:10pm

re: #255 sagehen

Actually super-curable. A little penicillin, and you’re fine.

Army and State Dept made sure I’ve been immunized several times, in most cases for a task that didn’t happen.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:00:29pm

re: #259 Anymouse 🌹

My father’s parents’ immigration (fleeing the Nazis) was illegal under that act. If the GOP wants to go full metal racist, I’m toast.

That’s why when Trump won I started keeping our passports in my car’s glovebox. I suspect I would at least have a chance in Mexico or Canada.

And hope to pay for it from all those who say “well, if you don’t like where you live (red state) why don’t you move?” I won the Lotto yesterday ($9 and a free ticket). I wonder how far I can get on $9?

I just hope it doesn’t come to that. There’s a lot of people in your situation.

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unproven innocence  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:00:31pm

re: #231 Targetpractice

There’s also a matter of FEEs paid to the US government, about $500 per person, paid every couple years, for “participating” in this path to full citizenship process. Seems like a clear case of fraud, by the US government, no?

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teleskiguy  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:01:36pm

re: #258 William Lewis

That’s why I want 100% national service. Turn 18 do 2 years. Everyone.

Giphy

Giphy

Would you like to know more?

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freetoken  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:02:12pm

re: #251 The Spite House

Oh wow, Irma is officially the most powerful hurricane ever recorded. 185mph sustained winds.

In the Atlantic, no?

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Targetpractice  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:03:03pm

re: #265 unproven innocence

There’s also a matter of FEEs paid to the US government, about $500 per person, paid every couple years, for “participating” in this path to full citizenship process. Seems like a clear case of fraud, by the US government, no?

Certainly seems like a viable class action lawsuit. Sue the government for failure to uphold its end of the bargain. What’s the defense? “The law is unconstitutional!” No court has ruled such.

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Brian J.  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:03:07pm

re: #261 danarchy

I thought there was one that was 190 like in the 1930s or something, at least that is what the TV told me

They’re saying “most powerful in the Atlantic basin,” which doesn’t include the Caribbean or Gulf of Mexico. Hurricane Allen beat it out by 5 mph in 1980 in the Yucatan Channel.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:04:15pm

re: #261 danarchy

I thought there was one that was 190 like in the 1930s or something, at least that is what the TV told me

Hurricane Patricia in 2015 in the Pacific was the most powerful cyclone, with winds of 215 mph. Irma is the most powerful Atlantic hurricane.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:04:41pm

You want to know what naturally born white privilege is? Having no idea how costly and time consuming a process naturalization is. There’s a reason why people hire attorneys like my boss to help them out. It’s not like it is on TV. You don’t just take the test and if you pass, you’re a citizen.

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sagehen  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:04:49pm

re: #178 Decatur Deb

There is some number of billionaires that is not lethal to a democracy. It is very small.

If they were all like Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, George Soros, Michael Bloomberg… there’d be no problem with lots and lots.

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Targetpractice  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:05:54pm

re: #266 teleskiguy

[Embedded content]

Would you like to know more?

I think Heinlein might have had a point. You want to exercise the rights of a citizen, you need to do more than just win the Ovary Lottery. Volunteer to do a term of service in the federal government, whether that be as a janitor or a file clerk or (yes) an infantryman. Then when you’re done, you get paid for your service, as well as all the rights that come with citizenship.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:06:27pm

re: #266 teleskiguy

Would you like to know more?

National service doesn’t have to be military service. I imagine that’s how the party of flag-wavers would pitch it though.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:07:09pm

re: #274 Anymouse 🌹

National service doesn’t have to be military service. I imagine that’s how the party of flag-wavers would pitch it though.

Right and not all of us can really do military service.

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Kragar  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:07:15pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:07:59pm

My wife is watching “The False Flag Network” on YouTube right now, talking about Hurricane Irma. (They aren’t calling the hurricane a false flag, they’re calling the projected damage a false flag in the making.)

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Decatur Deb  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:08:08pm

re: #272 sagehen

If they were all like Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, George Soros, Michael Bloomberg… there’d be no problem with lots and lots.

Maybe. But they’re not, and that might be wired into the care-and-feeding cycle.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:08:23pm

re: #276 Kragar

[Embedded content]

Hahahha yeah you care so much about the Constitution. That’s good, bub. Just because you say DACA is unlawful doesn’t make it unlawful. You dumb clowns said the same thing about ACA and geuss what the court said you were full of shit.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:08:53pm
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Targetpractice  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:09:27pm

re: #271 HappyWarrior

You want to know what naturally born white privilege is? Having no idea how costly and time consuming a process naturalization is. There’s a reason why people hire attorneys like my boss to help them out. It’s not like it is on TV. You don’t just take the test and if you pass, you’re a citizen.

That’s because our media has spent decades trivializing the process of attaining citizenship. I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve seen a movie, or a TV show, read a book that treated becoming a citizen as easy as marrying one. Marry a guy, get a green card, then divorce him. Or show up, take a test, and you get to be a citizen.

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teleskiguy  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:09:46pm

The measure that meteorologists use to accurately measure how powerful a hurricane is is its minimum central pressure. By this metric, Wilma is still the most powerful hurricane ever recorded in the Atlantic basin at 882 mbar at peak intensity. Irma is currently at 916 mbar.

Not downplaying the severity of the storm, just saying that wind speed is not how meteorologists measure the intensity of hurricanes. And Irma still has time to deepen.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:10:31pm

re: #281 Targetpractice

That’s because our media has spent decades trivializing the process of attaining citizenship. I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve seen a movie, or a TV show, read a book that treated becoming a citizen as easy as marrying one. Marry a guy, get a green card, then divorce him. Or show up, take a test, and you get to be a citizen.

Certainly true.

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Targetpractice  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:10:45pm

re: #276 Kragar

[Embedded content]

“We demand the Constitution be adhered to!”
“Here’s a racist bastard of a sheriff who not only violated people’s constitutional rights, but shat all over the court system when they told him to stop doing that.”
“HE’S A HERO AND HE DESERVES A PARDON!!!”

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fern01  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:10:46pm

That picture of tRump is revolting - inside and out he is ugly

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Kragar  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:11:13pm

re: #275 HappyWarrior

Right and not all of us can really do military service.

Heinlein made it a point that the purpose of the physicals for national service were not to disqualify anyone, but to see what jobs they were capable of. They’re were required by law to find a job for anyone who wanted to volunteer. I believe the example was a “blind, deaf, quadraplegic” couldn’t be turned away.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:12:31pm

re: #286 Kragar

Heinlein made it a point that the purpose of the physicals for national service were not to disqualify anyone, but to see what jobs they were capable of. They’re were required by law to find a job for anyone who wanted to volunteer. I believe the example was a “blind, deaf, quadraplegic” couldn’t be turned away.

True they could find a non combat role for someone with a heart condition like me.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:12:45pm
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Targetpractice  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:13:14pm

re: #286 Kragar

Heinlein made it a point that the purpose of the physicals for national service were not to disqualify anyone, but to see what jobs they were capable of. They’re were required by law to find a job for anyone who wanted to volunteer. I believe the example was a “blind, deaf, quadraplegic” couldn’t be turned away.

IIRC, it was only like 5% of those who volunteered for federal service who ended up in the armed forces anyway. Most did their terms in other places, whether it be pushing a mop, filing paperwork, or working in a factory. The idea being if you couldn’t be bothered to do something like that for a term of 2 years, then you were little more than a drag on the body politic who had no idea how precious citizenship was.

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Targetpractice  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:13:54pm

re: #288 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

OFFS, they’re gonna have to reach back further than 5 years. Try a factor of 10.

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:14:22pm

re: #286 Kragar

Heinlein made it a point that the purpose of the physicals for national service were not to disqualify anyone, but to see what jobs they were capable of. They’re were required by law to find a job for anyone who wanted to volunteer. I believe the example was a “blind, deaf, quadraplegic” couldn’t be turned away.

Oh god, people are referencing Heinlein in political arguments. Am I back in college?

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:14:29pm

re: #258 William Lewis

That’s why I want 100% national service. Turn 18 do 2 years. Everyone.

i’m with you on that one!

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:14:49pm

re: #288 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Bullshit. Romney had Kobsch as his immigration adviser. Nice try Chris. This didn’t just happen.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:15:13pm

re: #291 Ace-o-aces

Oh god, people are referencing Heinlein in political arguments. Am I back in college?

Been playing Creedence Clearwater all night.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:15:24pm

I’m waiting for the Nuremberg Laws, Bigly, Longer, and Uncut declaring me Mischling, or just an illegal “anchor baby.”

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:15:56pm

re: #274 Anymouse 🌹

National service doesn’t have to be military service. I imagine that’s how the party of flag-wavers would pitch it though.

i suggest three years of restaurant work as an acceptable substitute

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:16:05pm

re: #274 Anymouse 🌹

National service doesn’t have to be military service. I imagine that’s how the party of flag-wavers would pitch it though.

The Works Progress Administration provides a good model, though it typically provided work for family breadwinners rather than young people just starting out. WPA artwork and infrastructure still adorn almost every community in this country and its Federal Project Number One created a lasting cultural heritage.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:17:57pm

re: #291 Ace-o-aces

Oh god, people are referencing Heinlein in political arguments. Am I back in college?

Is it good I didn’t go to college then? /s

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:18:19pm

re: #294 Decatur Deb

Been playing Creedence Clearwater all night.

In my dorm, it would have been “Nevermind” and “Use Your Illusion”.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:18:54pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:19:47pm

re: #301 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Limbaugh says Irma hurricane warnings are a scheme to benefit retailers, media, and the “climate change agenda”

[Embedded content]

Can Irma hit his mansion then? Obviously I don’t want him dead but hitting his mansion would be karma.

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Skip Intro  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:20:48pm

re: #302 HappyWarrior

I wonder where his wife lives?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:21:06pm

re: #303 Skip Intro

I wonder where his wife lives?

Dunno.

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austin_blue  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:22:17pm

How big is Irma? She covers an entire 5º of longitude, >600 miles.

Take Texas, cut off the panhandle and West Texas at the New Mexico line, and she would fill it.

Her central pressure is now 916 mbars, or 27.05 on the barometer (third lowest ever recorded), stronger than all but two storms (Camille and the 1935 Keys storm, which killed 408 people).

Stronger than Katrina, Andrew, Hugo, and Gilbert at their worst.

Underneath that circulation is a 35’ tall bubble of water that she is dragging with her until she hits land.

She’s a screaming, rampaging monster and she’s going to kill a lot of people who can’t, or won’t, get out of her way. Get the fuck out of south Florida now.

I was the Hurricane Coordinator for the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality’s Remediation Division and this is the worst system I’ve ever seen.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:22:44pm

re: #301 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Limbaugh says Irma hurricane warnings are a scheme to benefit retailers, media, and the “climate change agenda”

[Embedded content]

is he prepared to be criminally liable for the deaths of anyone who believes him???

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:22:59pm

re: #303 Skip Intro

I wonder where his wife lives?

Isn’t he divorced again? I Thought #4 left him.

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:23:55pm
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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:24:06pm

i guess rush was miffed that trump could be an even bigger asshole than he was

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Decatur Deb  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:25:18pm

re: #307 Ace-o-aces

Isn’t he divorced again? I Thought #4 left him.

My roster is out of date.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:26:21pm

re: #308 Ace-o-aces

[Embedded content]

Landslide lol. And Obama actually winning in one didn’t mean shit.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:26:32pm

re: #306 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

is he prepared to be criminally liable for the deaths of anyone who believes him???

No. Responsibility is for liberals. Blaming others is for conservatives.

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makeitstop  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:26:32pm

re: #310 Decatur Deb

My roster is out of date.

Mine might be mre out of date than yours. Last I remember, he was married to the CNN anchor Daryn Kagan. That was a while ago.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:27:21pm

re: #309 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i guess rush was miffed that trump could be an even bigger asshole than he was

Rush is probably jealous that Trump managed to become president. He had no idea the com would be that easy.

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Skip Intro  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:27:50pm

re: #307 Ace-o-aces

Isn’t he divorced again? I Thought #4 left him.

I don’t know. #4 disappeared from sight the day after they were married.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:29:13pm

re: #308 Ace-o-aces

Remember something, President Trump didn’t just win, he WON in a LANDSLIDE

somebody please send this moron this very fact based article:

Trump’s Electoral
College Victory Ranks
46th in 58 Elections

nytimes.com

and please point out to him that despite the likelyhood of him poopooing the nyt, the article makes use of those pesky incontrovertable hard numbers

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:31:23pm

re: #316 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

somebody please send this moron this very fact based article:

Trump’s Electoral
College Victory Ranks
46th in 58 Elections

nytimes.com

and please point out to him that despite the likelyhood of him poopooing the nyt, the article makes use of those pesky incontrovertable hard numbers

Trump didn’t get the popular vote. End of story. By no means can you call that a landslide even if you’re cool with EC. But Trump is so pathetic, he has to be the greatest winner ever.

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Belafon  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:32:59pm

re: #291 Ace-o-aces

Oh god, people are referencing Heinlein in political arguments. Am I back in college?

I think people like Heinlein because he gives what looks like a simple way to filter down to people we would want being in charge, including having voters that know what sacrifice means. While it’s a nice idea, it fails for all the reasons we know: The easy jobs would go to the rich whites, and the dangerous jobs to the rest. And any who survived would find it hard to get beyond where they are.

It’s like trying to think about how to write a test that would weed out idiots. You just can’t do it because the people administering the test would have an incentive to make sure they stay in charge.

Nope, the only sure thing to do is get people out to vote.

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Belafon  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:33:55pm

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William Lewis  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:34:52pm

re: #266 teleskiguy

[Embedded content]

Would you like to know more?

Americorps, VISTA, Peace Corps. Changing diapers in a no cost neighborhood daycare. School assistant. Public defenders assistant. We need many more things done other than being an ablative meat shield for politicians egos.

Would you like to know more?

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Decatur Deb  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:37:41pm

re: #318 Belafon

I think people like Heinlein because he gives what looks like a simple way to filter down to people we would want being in charge, including having voters that know what sacrifice means. While it’s a nice idea, it fails for all the reasons we know: The easy jobs would go to the rich whites, and the dangerous jobs to the rest. And any who survived would find it hard to get beyond where they are.

It’s like trying to think about how to write a test that would weed out idiots. You just can’t do it because the people administering the test would have an incentive to make sure they stay in charge.

Nope, the only sure thing to do is get people out to vote.

Which Irma is also screwing up. Our next college registration shot was scheduled for next week.

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CleverToad  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:39:04pm

re: #150 Decatur Deb

An all-wise Providence put President Trump on Earth for some dumb-ass reason or another.

This was none of the good Lord’s pleasure. for the spirit he breathed in Man is free /
What comes after is measure for measure, and not a god that afflicteth thee.

“We had a kettle. We let it leak. /
Our not repairing in made it worse.
We haven’t had any tea for a week—- /
The bottom is out of the Universe!”

— Rudyard Kipling, Natural Theology

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Decatur Deb  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:40:00pm

re: #322 CleverToad

This was none of the good Lord’s pleasure. for the spirit he breathed in Man is free /
What comes after is measure for measure, and not a god that afflicteth thee.

“We had a kettle. We let it leak. /
Our not repairing in made it worse.
We haven’t had any tea for a week—- /
The bottom is out of the Universe!”

— Rudyard Kipling, Natural Theology

Excellent.

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meteor  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:43:49pm

I am north of Tampa. Possibly heading for Gainesville on Thursday.

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Unshaken Defiance  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:45:15pm

re: #233 HappyWarrior

In short, he’s creating people who are outsiders in their own country and repeating a lot of the same mistakes that have led to radicalization abroad.

And a bunch with military training. Door kicking urban warfare trained and experienced with IED weapons etc.

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MsJ  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:45:16pm

re: #306 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

is he prepared to be criminally liable for the deaths of anyone who believes him???

Theory of natural selection in real life, real-time.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:45:42pm

re: #324 meteor

I am north of Tampa. Possibly heading for Gainesville on Thursday.

That’s pretty subtle for an evacuation. We might not stop until we hit Niagra Falls.

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MsJ  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:47:58pm

re: #316 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

somebody please send this moron this very fact based article:

Trump’s Electoral
College Victory Ranks
46th in 58 Elections

nytimes.com

and please point out to him that despite the likelyhood of him poopooing the nyt, the article makes use of those pesky incontrovertable hard numbers

It won’t matter. He’ll say: 1) fake news, and 2) illegals voted for Hilary in droves.

I experienced that in real life just 10 days ago. And I was told that I needed to do my homework.

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alloutofcrazyhere  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:53:01pm

re: #266 teleskiguy

Would you like to know more?

Pretty much Fox News in another universe.

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BeachDem  Sep 5, 2017 • 8:57:03pm

re: #264 HappyWarrior

I just hope it doesn’t come to that. There’s a lot of people in your situation.

I’d have a really hard time, because I don’t even know where some of my grandparents were from. I guess I could travel around between Russia and Lithuania and Ukraine and then bob in some ocean somewhere while I figured it out.
/

It really is at the bottom of the list of things I worry about.

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jamesfirecat  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:36:27am

re: #96 HappyWarrior

I meant I won’t call her that. Saying that isn’t the same as using it as a slur.

Honestly you are getting dangerous close to “I could say it but…” territory, if you don’t want to mention something, don’t draw attention to the fact that that you are not mentioning /saying it.

Don’t think about Pink elephants and all that….


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