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Belafon  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:36:46pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:37:59pm

From the previous thread:

re: #320 William Lewis

Americorps, VISTA, Peace Corps. Changing diapers in a no cost neighborhood daycare. School assistant. Public defenders assistant. We need many more things done other than being an ablative meat shield for politicians egos.

Would you like to know more?

All programmes conservatives have wanted gone all my life.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:38:52pm

re: #1 Belafon

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Good read.

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unproven innocence  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:41:16pm
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electrotek  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:44:54pm

After I called out people for supporting Trump on ending DACA and deporting Dreamers, I had one guy delete me off FB for it.

lol good riddance I say, you “worthless POS”

Edit: the offending post in question of mine:

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:47:14pm

re: #5 electrotek

After I called out people for supporting Trump on ending DACA and deporting Dreamers, I had one guy delete me off FB for it.

lol good riddance I say, you “worthless POS”

Edit: the offending post in question of mine:

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Snowflake!

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austin_blue  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:49:47pm

Repost from down stairs:

How big is Irma? She covers an entire 5º of longitude, >600 miles.

Take Texas, cut off the panhandle and West Texas at the New Mexico line, and she would fill it.

Her central pressure is now 916 mbars, or 27.05 on the barometer (third lowest ever recorded), stronger than all but two storms (Camille and the 1935 Keys storm, which killed 408 people).

Stronger than Katrina, Andrew, Hugo, and Gilbert at their worst.

Underneath that circulation is a 35’ tall bubble of water that she is dragging with her until she hits land.

She’s a screaming, rampaging monster and she’s going to kill a lot of people who can’t, or won’t, get out of her way. Get the fuck out of south Florida now.

I was the Hurricane Coordinator for the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality’s Remediation Division and this is the worst system I’ve ever seen.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:52:31pm
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Decatur Deb  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:54:40pm

re: #8 Backwoods_Sleuth

That boy’s pupils are way too close together.

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freetoken  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:55:21pm

re: #7 austin_blue

Underneath that circulation is a 35’ tall bubble of water that she is dragging with her until she hits land..

Port de Gustiva is likely to be a direct hit around sunrise. The camera is in night mode and still streaming:

Live Webcam St-Barth - Port de Gustavia 2

The surge is already showing in how high the water gets occasionally on those short piers. In a few hours I suspect things are going to get quite wet there.

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jaunte  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:56:28pm
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danarchy  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:59:36pm

re: #7 austin_blue

Repost from down stairs:

How big is Irma? She covers an entire 5º of longitude, >600 miles.

Take Texas, cut off the panhandle and West Texas at the New Mexico line, and she would fill it.

Her central pressure is now 916 mbars, or 27.05 on the barometer (third lowest ever recorded), stronger than all but two storms (Camille and the 1935 Keys storm, which killed 408 people).

Stronger than Katrina, Andrew, Hugo, and Gilbert at their worst.

Underneath that circulation is a 35’ tall bubble of water that she is dragging with her until she hits land.

She’s a screaming, rampaging monster and she’s going to kill a lot of people who can’t, or won’t, get out of her way. Get the fuck out of south Florida now.

I was the Hurricane Coordinator for the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality’s Remediation Division and this is the worst system I’ve ever seen.

I’ve never been much of a storm watcher. Just curious why you say it is the third lowest ever recorded?

My lay mans reading of this shows several with lower central pressures.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 5, 2017 • 7:59:45pm
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teleskiguy  Sep 5, 2017 • 8:01:03pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 8:02:04pm

re: #14 teleskiguy

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Free speech//

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Charles Johnson  Sep 5, 2017 • 8:02:05pm
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teleskiguy  Sep 5, 2017 • 8:04:43pm

If he was tweeting this in 2011, I wonder what he thinks now.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 8:04:51pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

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They told us to ignore Trump too.

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jaunte  Sep 5, 2017 • 8:05:17pm
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austin_blue  Sep 5, 2017 • 8:07:43pm

re: #12 danarchy

I’ve never been much of a storm watcher. Just curious why you say it is the third lowest ever recorded?

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My laymans reading of this shows several with lower central pressures.

I extrapolated beyond the data and used strike pressures for the US mainland:

(page13).

I apologize. You are correct. But that thing is entering warmer water with minimal shear. It could actually intensify tomorrow.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 5, 2017 • 8:07:56pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 8:08:41pm

re: #19 jaunte

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Forget it, Jake it’s Trumptown.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 5, 2017 • 8:09:26pm

This graphic.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 8:09:40pm

re: #21 Charles Johnson

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They certainly don’t try hard to disprove the point. Faggot. How original. Did this loser just graduate seventh grade?

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jaunte  Sep 5, 2017 • 8:11:24pm

“You don’t want to spend five minutes among Nazis and bigots? You would totally change your mind if you spent twice that.”

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jaunte  Sep 5, 2017 • 8:12:13pm

“How about drinking TWO hefty mugs of sewage?”

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jaunte  Sep 5, 2017 • 8:12:53pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 5, 2017 • 8:15:19pm

re: #27 jaunte

Is that Sheriff Clarke?

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jaunte  Sep 5, 2017 • 8:15:46pm

re: #28 Eclectic Cyborg

“I’m Hatman.”

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 8:16:07pm

re: #27 jaunte

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Yeah let’s have a sheriff who had a pregnant woman die in his jails on! Next up, Hitler on religious intolerance!

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gocart mozart  Sep 5, 2017 • 8:16:15pm

Cornelius Rye🌹PRO · @CorneliusRye

LADS, we have to get NORMIE conservative posts trending before Tucker. Hide your Jew memes for a couple hours and tone down your autism.
gab.ai

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 8:16:28pm

re: #28 Eclectic Cyborg

Is that Sheriff Clarke?

Yep that’s the fascist dickbag.

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teleskiguy  Sep 5, 2017 • 8:17:11pm

I typed some stuff, because people are still saying that ignoring Nazis and white supremacists is the best course of action.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 8:20:26pm

re: #33 teleskiguy

I typed some stuff, because people are still saying that ignoring Nazis and white supremacists is the best course of action.

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They want us to ignore them. They know indifference is vital to their success.

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gocart mozart  Sep 5, 2017 • 8:24:34pm

Regular brain trust over there at GAB

NObama and the DemoCRAPs ruined America!!! They’re the real racists, we all bleed red white and blue! If we would just cut taxes everything would get fixed! Watch Glenn Beck and read National Review, they aren’t afraid to talk about these politically incorrect truths! Glad FOX told me about gab.ai!

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 5, 2017 • 8:25:28pm

re: #20 austin_blue

I extrapolated beyond the data and used strike pressures for the US mainland:

(page13).

I apologize. You are correct. But that thing is entering warmer water with minimal shear. It could actually intensify tomorrow.

The National Hurricane Center calls for gradual weakening (for now):

FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 06/0300Z 17.4N 61.1W 160 KT 185 MPH
12H 06/1200Z 18.1N 63.1W 155 KT 180 MPH
24H 07/0000Z 19.1N 65.9W 150 KT 175 MPH
36H 07/1200Z 20.1N 68.5W 145 KT 165 MPH
48H 08/0000Z 21.0N 71.2W 140 KT 160 MPH
72H 09/0000Z 22.0N 76.2W 135 KT 155 MPH
96H 10/0000Z 23.2N 79.5W 125 KT 145 MPH
120H 11/0000Z 25.0N 81.5W 120 KT 140 MPH

nhc.noaa.gov

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HappyWarrior  Sep 5, 2017 • 8:26:31pm

re: #35 gocart mozart

Regular brain trust over there at GAB

Haha do they realize how hysterical they sound? Oh and NRO are cowards who are too cowardly to go full Breitbart.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 5, 2017 • 8:28:22pm

re: #35 gocart mozart

Regular brain trust over there at GAB

LOLWut?

NObama and the DemoCRAPs ruined America!!! They’re the real racists, we all bleed red white and blue! If we would just cut taxes everything would get fixed! Watch Glenn Beck and read National Review, they aren’t afraid to talk about these politically incorrect truths! Glad FOX told me about gab (dot) ai!

If they bleed red, white, and blue, they are not human and should not be citizens.

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austin_blue  Sep 5, 2017 • 8:30:51pm

re: #36 Anymouse 🌹

The National Hurricane Center calls for gradual weakening (for now):

nhc.noaa.gov

That assumes interaction with PR, Hispanola, and Cuba. If it turns right three degrees, it will barrel into South Beach full bore.

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teleskiguy  Sep 5, 2017 • 8:31:25pm

re: #34 HappyWarrior

They want us to ignore them. They know indifference is vital to their success.

scottslemmons posted a powerful Facebook post the other night about Nazis and Antifa and how to tell the difference. It really resonated with me, especially the back story of being in a music scene. I’ve been there, having to get rid of the skinhead elements in our little punk scene in the Eagle River Valley. We didn’t want those sketchy violent bastards anywhere near where we were playing music. Sometimes violence was involved, always instigated by the skinheads. Our band decided we needed to expel these stupid fuckers otherwise we would keep getting fired from bars we played because these skinhead punks showed up and did nothing but cause trouble.

That shit only lasted about a month. It was ugly, but the skinheads stopped showing up to our shows. We would go on later to open for Guttermouth and The Mighty Mighty Bosstones and play a 20-date tour throughout Colorado, Wyoming, and Utah.

Anyhoo, that was a band called The Stiffies, I played lead guitar and backing vocals. We broke up in 2000, after being a band less than two years.

And if y’all haven’t read the Facebook post I’m speaking of, it’s a good read. Very long, especially for a Facebook post.

Facebook Post

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jaunte  Sep 5, 2017 • 8:31:32pm
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austin_blue  Sep 5, 2017 • 8:32:52pm

re: #41 jaunte

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Barbuda.

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Single-handed sailor  Sep 5, 2017 • 8:34:53pm

re: #41 jaunte

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uh, Irma? in the daylight, acting like a tornado?

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 5, 2017 • 8:35:48pm

Who
Would
Jesus
Deport

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jaunte  Sep 5, 2017 • 8:35:59pm

That’s probably an earlier storm, not Irma. Sorry. People are responding to him, saying it’s a tornado.

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austin_blue  Sep 5, 2017 • 8:37:16pm

re: #43 Single-handed sailor

uh, Irma? in the daylight, acting like a tornado?

Doesn’t look right, I agree. Most likely a tornado.

Too early for Barbuda.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 5, 2017 • 8:37:20pm

re: #39 austin_blue

That assumes interaction with PR, Hispanola, and Cuba. If it turns right three degrees, it will barrel into South Beach full bore.

A three degree right turn would be a significant turn in such a short time.

I’m not a forecaster (nor do I play one on TV), so I put that question in E-mail to my forecaster friend over at Offutt Field.

He says, “nope.”

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jaunte  Sep 5, 2017 • 8:37:49pm
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prairiefire  Sep 5, 2017 • 8:44:25pm

re: #41 jaunte

All the things, all torn down.

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jaunte  Sep 5, 2017 • 8:45:14pm

re: #50 prairiefire

I shouldn’t have posted that before checking. It’s not Irma, it’s a tornado.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 5, 2017 • 8:45:43pm

National Weather Service forecast for Charlotte Amilie, VI
marine.weather.gov

For San Juan, PR:
forecast.weather.gov

They are finally putting up Spanish language weather warnings (I wonder why they weren’t doing that before cough cough GOP), but those are still only in US Customary measures (PR uses metric).

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jaunte  Sep 5, 2017 • 8:45:54pm

I moved to Houston after living in South Miami in the early 90’s. The night Andrew rolled in to Miami our former across-the-street neighbors called us. They had decided to ride out the storm in their house even though they were on the edge of the storm surge area. They called just to let us know that the (cinderblock, tile-roof) house we had been living in had just been blown flat.

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jaunte  Sep 5, 2017 • 8:47:05pm

The tree house I built for my daughter probably flew all the way to Naples.

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prairiefire  Sep 5, 2017 • 8:48:33pm

re: #51 jaunte

I shouldn’t have posted that before checking. It’s not Irma, it’s a tornado.

I’m sure there will be some horrible footage coming up. The govenor of PR was on NPR today and there was fear in his voice. He said something about their electrical grid already being incapacitated by something like 60%?

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teleskiguy  Sep 5, 2017 • 8:48:46pm

Andrew was the last Category 5 hurricane to make landfall on the mainland of the United States, 25 years ago.

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austin_blue  Sep 5, 2017 • 8:49:01pm

re: #47 Anymouse 🌹

A three degree right turn would be a significant turn in such a short time.

I’m not a forecaster (nor do I play one on TV), so I put that question in E-mail to my forecaster friend over at Offutt Field.

He says, “nope.”

Maybe. Take a look at this page, Figure 4.

wunderground.com

That is the nightmare scenario. That is what any ER coordinator worth his or her salt is counting on in designing an evacuation plan or human health and safety response.

You don’t plan on unicorns, you base your plan on large, black swan meteor strikes.

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JordanRules  Sep 5, 2017 • 8:49:44pm

re: #40 teleskiguy

Thanks for posting that again. I’d been meaning to save it.
Good on you and your merry band mates too!

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Stanley Sea  Sep 5, 2017 • 8:50:25pm

re: #53 jaunte

I moved to Houston after living in South Miami in the early 90’s. The night Andrew rolled in to Miami our former across-the-street neighbors called us. They had decided to ride out the storm in their house even though they were on the edge of the storm surge area. They called just to let us know that the (cinderblock, tile-roof) house we had been living in had just been blown flat.

I knew people who rode it out as well.

They were in the bathtub & heard this huge loud banging down the hall. It was an armoire walking down the hall - caused by the barometric pressure dropping.

Not sure how real that was, but it sure stuck with me.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 5, 2017 • 8:50:42pm

For those who aren’t into black humor about hurricanes, I’m hiding this. But I laughed.

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austin_blue  Sep 5, 2017 • 8:52:55pm

re: #60 klys (maker of Silmarils)

For those who aren’t into black humor about hurricanes, I’m hiding this. But I laughed.

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Only got a partial off of that. Maybe 50%.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 5, 2017 • 8:53:18pm

re: #61 austin_blue

Only got a partial off of that. Maybe 50%.

It’s rendering funny behind the spoiler tag. If you click through it shows the whole thing.

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teleskiguy  Sep 5, 2017 • 8:54:25pm

re: #58 JordanRules

Good on you and your merry band mates too!

Oh we weren’t that merry. The drummer and lead singer/rhythm guitarist were brothers you see, and they didn’t along. *At all!* Our last gig, we were fired because they got into a fistfight on stage. We broke up that night, I ended up moving away a couple months later for college.

The brothers get along much better these days, but they’ve never played music together since, both of them going their total separate ways.

Hey, we were a loud hardcore punk rock band in our late teens. In hindsight the strife and violence was kind of inevitable, which is why we burned out fairly quickly.

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jaunte  Sep 5, 2017 • 8:55:13pm
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electrotek  Sep 5, 2017 • 8:56:05pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 5, 2017 • 8:56:18pm

re: #57 austin_blue

Maybe. Take a look at this page, Figure 4.

wunderground.com

That is the nightmare scenario. That is what any ER coordinator worth his or her salt is counting on in designing an evacuation plan or human health and safety response.

You don’t plan on unicorns, you base your plan on large, black swan meteor strikes.

You don’t plan on unicorns is true enough. Weather Underground notes that it predicts maximum winds will be 210 in the Florida Straits. That would be a disaster for both Cuba and South Florida (I hear the money printing presses gearing up for Mar-a-Lago right now).

The problem is that pretty much all forecasters will tell you that you can’t “game out” what a hurricane will do with any accuracy after day five.

So while computer modelling after that time seems to indicate Florida needs to prepare, that doesn’t let Alabama west to Mexico off the hook.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 5, 2017 • 8:57:00pm
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retired cynic  Sep 5, 2017 • 9:00:46pm

re: #56 teleskiguy

Andrew was the last Category 5 hurricane to make landfall on the mainland of the United States, 25 years ago.

My aunt and uncle had just retired and moved to Florida from the non-hurricane state of Illinois. As Andrew approached, he was rushing around in a panic trying to board up windows and died of a heart attack.

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teleskiguy  Sep 5, 2017 • 9:01:33pm

re: #68 retired cynic

Oh my! That’s terrible! My condolences.

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whitebeach  Sep 5, 2017 • 9:02:52pm

re: #66 Anymouse 🌹

So while computer modelling after that time seems to indicate Florida needs to prepare, that doesn’t let Alabama west to Mexico off the hook.

It’s not either/or. Andrew, the last cat 5 to hit the US mainland, creamed Florida then crossed the Gulf and laid a mean left hook on Louisiana.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 5, 2017 • 9:05:58pm

Bride, no … that’s not what you call someone you’re paying… .

President Vladimir V. Putin seemed to be in top form during a news conference in China on Tuesday, answering a question about President Trump by saying the American leader is “not my bride, and I am not his groom.”

While the comment could be interpreted as a subtle jab by a macho Mr. Putin against an equally macho counterpart, the Russian president offered it as an explanation of why he could not comment on domestic American politics.

It came in response to a question about whether the Russian leader takes into account the possibility of Mr. Trump being impeached. Mr. Putin refused to answer, but he did say that Moscow reserved the right to respond to the United States’ having ordered the closing of the Russian Consulate in San Francisco and of two other annexes, the latest move in a diplomatic tit-for-tat between the two countries.

nytimes.com
(more at the New York Times)

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teleskiguy  Sep 5, 2017 • 9:06:11pm

Fuck.

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teleskiguy  Sep 5, 2017 • 9:12:25pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 5, 2017 • 9:14:19pm

Accuweather radar for the area around Barbuda
accuweather.com (St John’s weather radar)

Several weather outlets seem to show the hurricane veering right after passing through the Straits of Florida.

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Woods Witch  Sep 5, 2017 • 9:15:29pm

re: #7 austin_blue

Methinks you have Irma larger than she actually is. 1 degree latitude is roughly 70 miles so she’s about 350 miles across, not 600. Regardless, she’d still cover a fair portion of Texas. She also has the look of a Western Pacific super-typhoon. Scary as hell!

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 5, 2017 • 9:25:31pm

As a comparison for those of us in tornado country, Irma is in the band of an F3 tornado. The difference is an F3 tornado only lasts a few seconds in one place. A hurricane lasts for hours and hours.

The tornado that hit my county was an F2. It cut a narrow path only about a hundred yards wide in June. We are still cleaning up from it.

Tornado - Bayard NE to Alliance NE
Morrill County NE and Box Butte County NE
Date 12 June 2017
Time (Local) 719 PM to 825 PM MDT
EF Rating EF-2
Est. Peak Winds 111-135 MPH
Path Length 39 Miles (discontinuous)
Max Width 500 yards

weather.gov

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 5, 2017 • 9:26:49pm

re: #75 Woods Witch

Methinks you have Irma larger than she actually is. 1 degree latitude is roughly 70 miles so she’s about 350 miles across, not 600. Regardless, she’d still cover a fair portion of Texas. She also has the look of a Western Pacific super-typhoon. Scary as hell!

“A minute’s a mile, a mile’s a minute.” - Seafaring note on measuring distance.

That is nautical miles, at the equator.

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austin_blue  Sep 5, 2017 • 9:27:41pm

re: #66 Anymouse 🌹

You don’t plan on unicorns is true enough. Weather Underground notes that it predicts maximum winds will be 210 in the Florida Straits. That would be a disaster for both Cuba and South Florida (I hear the money printing presses gearing up for Mar-a-Lago right now).

The problem is that pretty much all forecasters will tell you that you can’t “game out” what a hurricane will do with any accuracy after day five.

So while computer modelling after that time seems to indicate Florida needs to prepare, that doesn’t let Alabama west to Mexico off the hook.

Absolutely true. But you plan for the worst scenario. To do any less is a dereliction of your duty as an ER OSS and coordinator of disaster response. People die if you don’t do your job efficiently.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 5, 2017 • 9:29:40pm

re: #78 austin_blue

Absolutely true. But you plan for the worst scenario. To do any less is a dereliction of your duty as an ER OSS and coordinator of disaster response. People die if you don’t do your job efficiently.

Fair enough. “Plan for the worst, hope for the best.”

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Kragar  Sep 5, 2017 • 9:35:08pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 5, 2017 • 9:35:49pm

St. John’s weather radar

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 5, 2017 • 9:36:15pm

re: #80 Kragar

Debunked as a tornado in Kansas last year.

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austin_blue  Sep 5, 2017 • 9:36:37pm

re: #79 Anymouse 🌹

Fair enough. “Plan for the worst, hope for the best.”

Yup. If you are wrong you inconvenience people. If you are right, you don’t have to pull their bloated bodies out of a debris field or canal and send them to the morgue.

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BeachDem  Sep 5, 2017 • 9:36:39pm

re: #41 jaunte

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Plus, I think they have Barbados confused with Barbuda.

Hurricane Irma no threat to Barbados

nationnews.com

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 5, 2017 • 9:37:18pm
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teleskiguy  Sep 5, 2017 • 9:39:25pm

The smoke was bad today. The taller mountains to the south - 10 miles distant - were not visible all day today. The mountain range 25 miles to the east - normally clearly visible - were not visible at all today. The moon has a peach color going for it right now.

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jaunte  Sep 5, 2017 • 9:40:53pm

re: #85 goddamnedfrank

Analysis: Atlantic hurricane season is growing longer
washingtonpost.com

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teleskiguy  Sep 5, 2017 • 9:42:42pm

re: #86 teleskiguy

The smoke is pretty thick tonight. If I didn’t know any better I’d have looked out the window and thought it was a snowstorm.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 5, 2017 • 9:42:58pm

Don’t know how true this is, but if so, it’s like that Nazi in North Dakota that got his DNA tested.

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austin_blue  Sep 5, 2017 • 9:43:42pm

Looking at the latest tracks, it looks like Pensacola or Birmingham might be a safe haven for Floridians.

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Single-handed sailor  Sep 5, 2017 • 9:44:04pm

re: #84 BeachDem

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Plus, I think they have Barbados confused with Barbuda.

Hurricane Irma no threat to Barbados

nationnews.com

My rum is safe. Mt Gay Eclipse.

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Kragar  Sep 5, 2017 • 9:44:47pm
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austin_blue  Sep 5, 2017 • 9:45:11pm

re: #91 Single-handed sailor

My rum is safe. Mt Gay Eclipse.

A very, very dark rum.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 5, 2017 • 9:45:32pm

re: #86 teleskiguy

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The smoke was bad today. The taller mountains to the south - 10 miles distant - were not visible all day today. The mountain range 25 miles to the east - normally clearly visible - were not visible at all today. The moon has a peach color going for it right now.

Sorry for you down there. You’re getting what we had for a couple days. The wind shift pushed the smoke a bit further west.

We have a frost warning up for tonight. Low 37. Time to light the pilot light on my furnace… .

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BeachDem  Sep 5, 2017 • 9:45:36pm

re: #91 Single-handed sailor

My rum is safe. Mt Gay Eclipse.

I prefer Cockspur. But I can be flexible.

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Unshaken Defiance  Sep 5, 2017 • 9:46:14pm

re: #7 austin_blue

She’s a screaming, rampaging monster and she’s going to kill a lot of people who can’t, or won’t, get out of her way. Get the fuck out of south Florida now.

I was the Hurricane Coordinator for the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality’s Remediation Division and this is the worst system I’ve ever seen.

I admit I was not taking this seriously until today. Your description is truly compelling. How wide is that surge?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 5, 2017 • 9:46:23pm

re: #95 BeachDem

I prefer Cockspur. But I can be flexible.

The best rum is the one that’s in my glass.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 5, 2017 • 9:47:15pm

re: #92 Kragar

Pence to lobby Trump for a Presidential pardon in 5 … 4 …

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teleskiguy  Sep 5, 2017 • 9:47:56pm

re: #94 Anymouse 🌹

It’s as bad as I’ve seen it around here without a fire burning nearby. The nearest active wildfire from myself is in western Routt County, the Deep Creek Fire, about 100 miles to the north.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 5, 2017 • 9:49:19pm

re: #99 teleskiguy

It’s as bad as I’ve seen it around here without a fire burning nearby. The nearest active wildfire from myself is in western Routt County, the Deep Creek Fire, about 100 miles to the north.

When we woke up to an air quality alert here a few days ago, I was left wondering if someone blew up a local feedlot. /half

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 5, 2017 • 9:49:48pm

re: #100 Anymouse 🌹

When we woke up to an air quality alert here a few days ago, I was left wondering if someone blew up a local feedlot. /half

My wife just remarked, “That would be a shitty thing to do.”

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teleskiguy  Sep 5, 2017 • 9:51:17pm

The worst wildfire smoke that I can remember was in 1994, the South Canyon Fire west of Glenwood Springs. I was 25 miles east of the fire. That fire killed 14 firefighters. Glenwood Springs erected a bronze statue of them in their memory. Visibility was reduced to hundreds of feet and they closed I-70 for two days.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 5, 2017 • 9:53:17pm
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austin_blue  Sep 5, 2017 • 9:53:46pm

re: #96 Unshaken Defiance

I admit I was not taking this seriously until today. Your description is truly compelling. How wide is that surge?

Within 50 miles of the center, probably 25 -35 feet. Within 100 miles probably 15’. Here’s the thing about big tropical systems like this. Even if the winds tone down, if they get to a Cat 5 during their buildup, they still carry a Cat 4 or Cat 5 storm surge, like Ike did in Texas. Its was a cat 2 when it hit Galveston, but it put a 25’ surge onto the Bolivar Peninsula, to the northeast of the core. It was devastating.

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whitebeach  Sep 5, 2017 • 9:55:07pm

re: #90 austin_blue

Looking at the latest tracks, it looks like Pensacola or Birmingham might be a safe haven for Floridians.

Birmingham certainly. Pensacola dicey. Although if I were d-man, in Tallahassee tomorrow (let’s hope), I might head next for an overnight in Pensacola on Thursday to await developments, and if need be, head farther west on I-10. I’d even go across Santa Rosa Island for the beautiful seascapes, since those roads will not be threatened until Sunday or Monday if Irma gets into the Gulf.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 5, 2017 • 9:59:03pm

might could be that mother nature may fuck up the southeastern united states this fall in a way that really makes a point

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teleskiguy  Sep 5, 2017 • 9:59:47pm
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BeachDem  Sep 5, 2017 • 10:02:10pm

re: #106 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

might could be that mother nature may fuck up the southeastern united states this fall in a way that really makes a point

As someone living in the southeastern United States, what point would that be?

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freetoken  Sep 5, 2017 • 10:02:43pm
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whitebeach  Sep 5, 2017 • 10:03:22pm

re: #106 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

might could be that mother nature may fuck up the southeastern united states this fall in a way that really makes a point

Maybe. But short of an asteroid strike, there’s not much Mother Nature can do to fuck up the southeastern United States more than its human inhabitants have already done.

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teleskiguy  Sep 5, 2017 • 10:03:40pm

re: #107 teleskiguy

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Kragar  Sep 5, 2017 • 10:04:42pm

re: #111 teleskiguy

It might have just been the rigor mortis setting in.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 5, 2017 • 10:05:07pm

re: #112 Kragar

It might have just been the rigor mortis setting in.

Vigor mortis?

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austin_blue  Sep 5, 2017 • 10:05:17pm

re: #107 teleskiguy

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Well, if he was hung like a show pony…

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teleskiguy  Sep 5, 2017 • 10:05:43pm

re: #112 Kragar

Of course.

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austin_blue  Sep 5, 2017 • 10:06:40pm

re: #108 BeachDem

As someone living in the southeastern United States, what point would that be?

Agreed. We shouldn’t wish death and mayhem on any part of our Republic. We should be better than that.

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austin_blue  Sep 5, 2017 • 10:07:41pm

re: #109 freetoken

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Strap in, it’s going to be a bumpy night.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 5, 2017 • 10:08:05pm

re: #106 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

might could be that mother nature may fuck up the southeastern united states this fall in a way that really makes a point

Screw all the liberals in the Southeast. Especially those that don’t have sufficient bootstraps to pick themselves up by them and moved to some “enlightened” area.

That’ll show ‘em.

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austin_blue  Sep 5, 2017 • 10:09:22pm

re: #118 Anymouse 🌹

Screw all the liberals in the Southeast. Especially those that don’t have sufficient bootstraps to pick themselves up by them and moved to some “enlightened” area.

That’ll show ‘em.

Heh.

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freetoken  Sep 5, 2017 • 10:09:41pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 5, 2017 • 10:11:00pm

New Jersey Florida Sister moved to Sarasota after talking about it for years. Less than 6 months later, this. I hope she takes it seriously and bugs out if there’s a hint of danger. She did say one thing that made me concerned - “We made it through Sandy, and we’ll make it through this!” But she was living in the Philadelphia suburbs, not on the coast, or in Northern NJ, where it really hit.

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austin_blue  Sep 5, 2017 • 10:11:08pm

re: #120 freetoken

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Barbuda has a population of around 1,600 people.

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whitebeach  Sep 5, 2017 • 10:11:29pm

re: #111 teleskiguy

“It’s like a Coke can.”

I had two different women tell me this about my brother-in-law’s dick. Only, given the girls they were, they said “can of Budweiser.” I didn’t ask whether 12-ounce or 16-ounce. It was TMI already. I mean, I remember this guy when he was a ten-year old twerp.

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Kragar  Sep 5, 2017 • 10:13:41pm
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austin_blue  Sep 5, 2017 • 10:14:29pm

re: #123 whitebeach

I had two different women tell me this about my brother-in-law’s dick. Only, given the girls they were, they said “can of Budweiser.” I didn’t ask whether 12-ounce or 16-ounce. It was TMI already. I mean, I remember this guy when he was a ten-year old twerp.

As Vonnegut famously wrote in Slaughterhouse Five, “You’ll never know who’ll get one.”

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 5, 2017 • 10:15:29pm

A decent read of a thread. It’s getting tricky to track all the current natural disasters ongoing.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 5, 2017 • 10:19:29pm

re: #108 BeachDem

As someone living in the southeastern United States, what point would that be?

re: #118 Anymouse 🌹

Screw all the liberals in the Southeast. Especially those that don’t have sufficient bootstraps to pick themselves up by them and moved to some “enlightened” area.

That’ll show ‘em.

well, it appears that my choice of words to add strong emphasis to how much a whole series of 800 yr storms would fuck up the united states is open to more than one interpretation

however, if one were to take the phrase literally, the only point i could imagine it making would be that global warming is not a hoax and the time when it can be ignored has come to an end

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Sep 5, 2017 • 10:19:56pm

I have to wonder how long the suspension would be if some male personnel opened a body bag to admire the breasts of a (female) corpse. A week? A day? A severe scolding? Anything?

(I agree that it’s kind of gross, but medical people don’t have the same reaction to the idea of seeing a dead body as we do.)

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freetoken  Sep 5, 2017 • 10:20:38pm

re: #126 klys (maker of Silmarils)

A decent read of a thread. It’s getting tricky to track all the current natural disasters ongoing.

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The one starting with “T” and ending in “rump” is hard enough to track alone.

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JordanRules  Sep 5, 2017 • 10:22:39pm

ksnt.com

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 5, 2017 • 10:25:41pm

re: #116 austin_blue

Agreed. We shouldn’t wish death and mayhem on any part of our Republic. We should be better than that.

i object to the interpretation that i was wishing death and mayhem on anybody

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teleskiguy  Sep 5, 2017 • 10:26:40pm

re: #130 JordanRules

Giphy

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teleskiguy  Sep 5, 2017 • 10:27:53pm

Prison riot in rural Kansas. Great.

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Renaissance_Man  Sep 5, 2017 • 10:29:53pm

re: #128 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

I have to wonder how long the suspension would be if some male personnel opened a body bag to admire the breasts of a (female) corpse. A week? A day? A severe scolding? Anything?

(I agree that it’s kind of gross, but medical people don’t have the same reaction to the idea of seeing a dead body as we do.)

It would probably actually be much worse.

Remember that much of what goes on in a hospital is run by nurses. While doctors are in charge and wield much of the power, the nurses have a lot of pull and can make your life very miserable if you cross them. One of the ways this is felt is in situations like this.

It’s not uncommon for nurses in the OR or on the floor to comment on private things like genitalia of a male patient, or to ‘find reasons’ to wander into the room innocently of a particularly good looking patient. I realise that probably sounds terrible to most of you, and it’s unprofessional to be sure, but for the most part much of it is more or less harmless, and I have never seen it affect patient care. That said, this story is more unprofessional than most I’ve heard, especially the body bag part.

But if a male, even a doctor, were to comment lewdly on female anatomy? The end of the world. Nurses are mostly women, and they protect their own.

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teleskiguy  Sep 5, 2017 • 10:29:54pm

re: #133 teleskiguy

NORTON, Kan. Multiple agencies are responding to a disturbance at the Norton Correctional Facility.

The Kansas Association of State Employees describes the situation as a “riot.” KDOC would only describe the situation as a disturbance.

The Norton County Sheriff’s Office says people in Norton are asked to lock their homes and vehicles and remain inside due to the incident at the prison.

In its statement issued about midnight, KDOC says “an inmate disturbance occurred at the Norton Correctional Facility at about 9:30 p.m. (Tuesday.)”

“Local law enforcement agencies are on the scene and are responding to the situation, including the Norton Fire Department,” KDOC says.
“No injuries have been reported at this time.”

kwch.com

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 5, 2017 • 10:30:09pm

Hurricane Irma so strong it’s registering on seismometers.
usatoday.com

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whitebeach  Sep 5, 2017 • 10:31:14pm

OK, the winds in Irma’s huge eyewall are now those of an F3 tornado. Think of that for starters.

But it’s not the winds that kill so much as the water. So think of a 30+ foot storm surge. I’ve been to south Florida and the Keys, and damned if I can remember any part of the natural landscape that’s much, if any, higher than that.

Please, people, leave soonest. And try to persuade your friends and neighbors who plan to ride it out to rethink. And if you can, when you leave, take somebody who is otherwise unable to do so with you.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 5, 2017 • 10:32:04pm

You need the sound on for this video.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 5, 2017 • 10:32:04pm

re: #106 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

might could be that mother nature may fuck up the southeastern united states this fall in a way that really makes a point

re: #131 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i object to the interpretation that i was wishing death and mayhem on anybody

That would be the less-used definition of “fuck up.” /s

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 5, 2017 • 10:34:43pm

re: #139 Anymouse 🌹

That would be the less-used definition of “fuck up.” /s

i don’t get it

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 5, 2017 • 10:36:37pm

Yikes.

If it stays on the forecast track and reaches the Florida Straits, the water there is warm enough that the already “intense” storm could become much worse with wind speeds potentially reaching 225 mph, warned Kerry Emanuel, an MIT meteorology professor.

washingtonpost.com

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JordanRules  Sep 5, 2017 • 10:38:10pm

Glorious moment during a normal Presidency.

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JordanRules  Sep 5, 2017 • 10:44:55pm

Guys, guys, don’t worry. Lumpy has it figured out.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 5, 2017 • 10:47:01pm

Anger flares:

Rep. Luis Gutiérrez (D-IL) on Tuesday called White House Chief of Staff John Kelly a “hypocrite who is a disgrace to the uniform he used to wear” after President Donald Trump ended the DACA program earlier in the day.

talkingpointsmemo.com

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TedStriker  Sep 5, 2017 • 10:47:33pm

re: #143 JordanRules

Guys, guys, don’t worry. Lumpy has it figured out.

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austin_blue  Sep 5, 2017 • 10:47:52pm

re: #131 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i object to the interpretation that i was wishing death and mayhem on anybody

I’m sorry, but how else should we interpret this post?

“might could be that mother nature may fuck up the southeastern united states this fall in a way that really makes a point”

Words mean things, after all. It is, at the most charitable level, not a nice thing to wish upon your fellow citizens, many of whom are completely innocent of your scorn.

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teleskiguy  Sep 5, 2017 • 10:56:48pm

You can clearly see particulate matter hanging out around street lamps at my twenty.

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retired cynic  Sep 5, 2017 • 10:57:56pm

re: #146 austin_blue

I can sure see your point, but since he is one of us, I interpreted it as meaning that climate change would become a lot clearer to people, not that more people should die. Obviously what is going to happen is going to happen, and we can’t change it. People are going to die, be injured, lose everything. And that is horrendous. And there are so many who have blinkers on and just will not see what is coming in another 5-10-15 years.

No one of us wants to see that happen. And I am arguing my way into circles, but because he is here, I did not assume the worst.

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JordanRules  Sep 5, 2017 • 10:58:30pm
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Ace-o-aces  Sep 5, 2017 • 11:00:16pm

I had a realization this evening.

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retired cynic  Sep 5, 2017 • 11:06:20pm

re: #150 Ace-o-aces

I had a realization this evening.

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I don’t think he would need any excuse besides he doesn’t want to.

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JordanRules  Sep 5, 2017 • 11:06:36pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 5, 2017 • 11:07:50pm

re: #139 Anymouse 🌹

That would be the less-used definition of “fuck up.” /s

re: #140 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i don’t get it

Is there some other definition of “fuck up” that doesn’t imply indiscriminate destruction and death in the southeast?

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austin_blue  Sep 5, 2017 • 11:08:18pm

re: #148 retired cynic

I can sure see your point, but since he is one of us, I interpreted it as meaning that climate change would become a lot clearer to people, not that more people should die. Obviously what is going to happen is going to happen, and we can’t change it. People are going to die, be injured, lose everything. And that is horrendous. And there are so many who have blinkers on and just will not see what is coming in another 5-10-15 years.

No one of us wants to see that happen. And I am arguing my way into circles, but because he is here, I did not assume the worst.

I just thought his/her comment was short-sighted and petty. Just because you post here doesn’t mean you don’t occasionally post a rock-stupid comment. Lord knows I have been guilty of it myself.

This is a potential disaster that may very well overwhelm the damage from Harvey. Throwing a snarky para-political comment into what is a looming disaster doesn’t seem helpful.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 5, 2017 • 11:10:12pm

re: #103 Anymouse 🌹

We have a dream that one day our kids and the 1.6 MILLION homeless American kids will receive as many benefits as DACA.

The reason they’re homeless is because of all the DACA anchor babies!!!

/

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 5, 2017 • 11:10:24pm

re: #146 austin_blue

I’m sorry, but how else should we interpret this post?

“might could be that mother nature may fuck up the southeastern united states this fall in a way that really makes a point”

Words mean things, after all. It is, at the most charitable level, not a nice thing to wish upon your fellow citizens, many of whom are completely innocent of your scorn.

explain to me please how remarking that something may happen is the same as wishing it to happen

when did this change in the meaning of english sentences occur?

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 5, 2017 • 11:11:47pm

re: #153 Anymouse 🌹

Is there some other definition of “fuck up” that doesn’t imply indiscriminate destruction and death in the southeast?

explain to me please how remarking that something may happen is the same as wishing it to happen

is there some definition of “could be” that now has come to mean “i wish”?

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retired cynic  Sep 5, 2017 • 11:13:54pm

I’m getting the feeling that I should have stayed out of this.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 5, 2017 • 11:14:44pm

re: #106 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

might could be that mother nature may fuck up the southeastern united states this fall in a way that really makes a point

re: #156 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

explain to me please how remarking that something may happen is the same as wishing it to happen

when did this change in the meaning of english sentences occur?

I will concede that mother nature “may fuck up the southeastern United States” is not the same as wishing for it. It did come across to me that you implied that would be a good or useful thing, but I could have misunderstood.

Comment sections of blogs aren’t necessarily the best way to make a case for climate science or any other difficult subject.

That may be why Wonkette doesn’t allow comments. /s

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 5, 2017 • 11:14:47pm

re: #156 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

explain to me please how remarking that something may happen is the same as wishing it to happen

when did this change in the meaning of english sentences occur?

the day that nuance left the political discourse

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 5, 2017 • 11:17:18pm

re: #158 retired cynic

I’m getting the feeling that I should have stayed out of this.

I still have two book reviews to write for the evening so that my queue is maybe somewhat back up to where it should be. Sigh.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 5, 2017 • 11:18:37pm
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retired cynic  Sep 5, 2017 • 11:18:51pm

re: #161 klys (maker of Silmarils)

It’s 117am here, so perhaps I should take it as a sign to put the computer to sleep for the night, and head for bed and a good mystery. G’nite!

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 5, 2017 • 11:19:44pm

re: #154 austin_blue

I just thought his/her comment was short-sighted and petty. Just because you post here doesn’t mean you don’t occasionally post a rock-stupid comment. Lord knows I have been guilty of it myself.

This is a potential disaster that may very well overwhelm the damage from Harvey. Throwing a snarky para-political comment into what is a looming disaster doesn’t seem helpful.

“snarky” is something that originated in your mind only

listen, buster, if you need me to gloss my original statement so that its intent might become clear to you, it is that if we have a whole series of 800 yr storms wreaking uncanny havoc on the united states, it will not only screw up everything else that might happen in this country for many years to come, but make the point unmistakeably and forever that global climate change is not something that can be fake-news-ed away

i assure you that if in the future i intend to express that i might desire something to happen i will be sure to use verb phrase formulations such as “i wish”, “wouldn’t it be cool if”, or “let’s hope”, or some other easily recognizable english phrase

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teleskiguy  Sep 5, 2017 • 11:19:48pm

re: #154 austin_blue

Just because you post here doesn’t mean you don’t occasionally post a rock-stupid comment. Lord knows I have been guilty of it myself.

Recently I got downdinged by Alouette and lawhawk in rapid succession. I done fucked up when that happened. That’s my most recent bonehead shit.

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JordanRules  Sep 5, 2017 • 11:20:00pm

re: #158 retired cynic

Not at all. Your perspective was appreciated!

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 5, 2017 • 11:21:35pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 5, 2017 • 11:21:51pm

re: #156 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

Let me extend an apology for misinterpreting the intent of your post.

The correct response for me would have been to ask you to clarify what you meant by what you wrote.

Instead, I ran with my first impression, which was incorrect.

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teleskiguy  Sep 5, 2017 • 11:22:07pm

re: #167 goddamnedfrank

YOGA FLAME!

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JordanRules  Sep 5, 2017 • 11:23:37pm

So we have Dreamers in the military, in Congress, teaching our children and saving lives in Houston.

Now they all live in fear and uncertainty again. Truly cruel.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 5, 2017 • 11:24:41pm

My wife broke out one of our many coffeemakers and cranked up some French vanilla coffee for bedtime. (We have several types of coffee pots here, and she chose the French press for French vanilla.)

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 5, 2017 • 11:27:56pm

Russian Wingnut Knows What Time It Is and It’s Trump Pee Tape O’Clock (Wonkette)

Well, you know we here at Wonkette aren’t big fans of anyone or anything currently working in the Russian government, so we don’t exactly want to cheer on this Russian wingnut dude, Nikita Isaev, whom the Independent identifies as the leader of the “far right New Russia movement,” and who says it’s time to unleash whatever kompromat Russia has on Donald Trump. And we really aren’t big fans of his reasoning, because he wants to do it to retaliate for the State Department closing down Russian “diplomatic” facilities (spy houses) in the United States. Of course, we figure Secretary of State Rex Tillerson did that behind Donald Trump’s back, possibly maybe like he was daring Trump to fire him for being mean to Mother Russia.

And …

Anyway, here is what happened:

Speaking on Russia-24, Nikita Isaev, leader of the far-right New Russia Movement, said the compromising material should be released in retaliation over the closure of several Russian diplomatic compounds across the US.

When asked whether Russia has such material, Mr Isaev, who is also director of the Russian Institute of Contemporary Economics, replied: “Of course we have it!”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 5, 2017 • 11:29:51pm

As soon as tax returns or pee tapes come out, DT could lose his ability to control the narrative. He will have to come up with something to overshadow either or both, and I do not wanna think about what that could be…

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JordanRules  Sep 5, 2017 • 11:32:06pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 5, 2017 • 11:32:57pm

Well, after all the times the CIA and others tried to bump off Fidel Castro, if he’d lived a bit longer he’d certainly be toasting the cluster that is our GOP now.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 5, 2017 • 11:35:14pm

re: #174 JordanRules

Price gouging during an emergency is illegal.

See if there is a conservative in the land who cares.

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JordanRules  Sep 5, 2017 • 11:35:32pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 5, 2017 • 11:35:49pm

re: #176 Anymouse 🌹

Price gouging during an emergency is illegal.

See if there is a conservative in the land who cares.

The heart and soul of the Free Market.

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austin_blue  Sep 5, 2017 • 11:43:01pm

re: #156 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

explain to me please how remarking that something may happen is the same as wishing it to happen

when did this change in the meaning of english sentences occur?

re: #164 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

“snarky” is something that originated in your mind only

listen, buster, if you need me to gloss my original statement so that its intent might become clear to you, it is that if we have a whole series of 800 yr storms wreaking uncanny havoc on the united states, it will not only screw up everything else that might happen in this country for many years to come, but make the point unmistakeably and forever that global climate change is not something that can be fake-news-ed away

i assure you that if in the future i intend to express that i might desire something to happen i will be sure to use verb phrase formulations such as “i wish”, “wouldn’t it be cool if”, or “let’s hope”, or some other easily recognizable english phrase

>>I think I will refuse to engage in a testosterone fueled flame war on this board. You said what you said. The correct response would have been “I’m sorry for inferring that it might be a good thing that the southeast might get fucked up by a hurricane.”

I was also a member of Bruce Sterling’s Viridian Design movement. I’ve been in this fight since the mid 90’s, when I was employed by the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality as an Emergency Response Coordinator before I retired in 2015. We thought we had it won when Gore won the Peace Prize in 2007, but we are still fighting for the Paris Agreement.

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JordanRules  Sep 5, 2017 • 11:43:30pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 5, 2017 • 11:48:00pm

Why I use a real live in-person travel agents instead of a computer.

Someone further down her thread noted computer alogrithms to drive surge pricing (gouging) have suddenly decided the southeast is the most unpopular place on the planet now and a ticket from LAX-MIA is only $87.

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JordanRules  Sep 5, 2017 • 11:48:45pm
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JordanRules  Sep 5, 2017 • 11:50:14pm

re: #181 Anymouse 🌹

The airline agents or a 3rd party travel agent?

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JordanRules  Sep 5, 2017 • 11:51:37pm
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goddamnedfrank  Sep 5, 2017 • 11:52:04pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 5, 2017 • 11:52:35pm

re: #183 JordanRules

The airline agents or a 3rd party travel agent?

In her thread, she noted she got the Delta ticket price from Expedia. She also noted that Delta wasn’t the only guilty party, all airlines were gouging through Expedia. She noted the Delta price was just the most egregious example she could find.

Actually calling Delta they straightened it out.

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austin_blue  Sep 5, 2017 • 11:55:22pm

re: #183 JordanRules

The airline agents or a 3rd party travel agent?

One way, Miami to Austin on Thursday.

travelocity.com

$1504.20

One ticket left.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 5, 2017 • 11:55:46pm

re: #184 JordanRules

If the prevailing Westerlies keep blowing the fire eastward, we’ll catch fire soon.

No air quality alert or fire alert for us in the near future, just a frost advisory.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 5, 2017 • 11:55:58pm

re: #177 JordanRules

Hari Kondabolu ✔ @harikondabolu
America hating immigrants is like a body rejecting its own blood.
11:23 PM - Sep 4, 2017
189 189 Replies 11,239 11,239 Retweets 29,008 29,008 likes

Too bad the Trump supporters are contemptuous of anyone who is not of white European ancestry — regardless of whether they are an immigrant or a natural born citizen.

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JordanRules  Sep 5, 2017 • 11:57:14pm

re: #186 Anymouse 🌹

Oh, I meant what do you use?

For frequent, simple travel, 99% of the time booking online is fine IMO. I definitely don’t need an agent to get me from PHX to LAX. You can do comparisons quickly and all kinds of stuff once you become familiar with all the different sites.

Yeah, I saw examples from other airlines on Twitter too. So messed up.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 5, 2017 • 11:58:17pm

re: #179 austin_blue

“I’m sorry for inferring that it might be a good thing that the southeast might get fucked up by a hurricane.”

but clearly i did not infer that

your correct response would have been “i don’t know how i managed to read “want” into “might”

I think I will refuse to engage in a testosterone fueled flame war on this board.

here you use a time honored rhetoric strategy known as “refusio”, where you claim that you are not going to do something just before you go ahead and do it

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JordanRules  Sep 6, 2017 • 12:00:39am

re: #189 Hecuba’s daughter

That’s a good point about it not really mattering if you are a citizen or not. If you aren’t the right kind, you’re not welcome.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 6, 2017 • 12:04:42am

re: #190 JordanRules

Oh, I meant what do you use?

For frequent, simple travel, 99% of the time booking online is fine IMO. I definitely don’t need an agent to get me from PHX to LAX. You can do comparisons quickly and all kinds of stuff once you become familiar with all the different sites.

Yeah, I saw examples from other airlines on Twitter too. So messed up.

I use an actual travel agent with a real office, in Ogallala. In cases where she can’t help us (like buying rail tickets for our trip to Germany and Poland or our trip to Churchill), I call the transport company in question.

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austin_blue  Sep 6, 2017 • 12:05:03am

re: #191 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

“I’m sorry for inferring that it might be a good thing that the southeast might get fucked up by a hurricane.”

but clearly i did not infer that

your correct response would have been “i don’t know how i managed to read “want” into “might”

I think I will refuse to engage in a testosterone fueled flame war on this board.

here you use a time honored rhetoric strategy known as “refusio”, where you claim that you are not going to do something just before you go ahead and do it

Oh, hell, son, just go ahead and fuck right off. Really. I don’t have the patience to put up with skeeves like you. I’m too old. Just fuck off. Sheesh. Pismire.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 6, 2017 • 12:07:11am

re: #146 austin_blue

how else should we interpret this post?

this is precisely the question you should have asked yourself

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JordanRules  Sep 6, 2017 • 12:07:48am

re: #193 Anymouse 🌹

Gotcha! On wonderful travel excursions like going to Europe, I’d certainly use an expert too. It’s great to have one you have a relationship with too. I’d definitely need a referral.

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teleskiguy  Sep 6, 2017 • 12:07:49am

re: #191 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

Dude, you fucked up. You said something pretty vile and now you’re

If I were you, I’d apologize and STFU about it.

You said

might could be that mother nature may fuck up the southeastern united states this fall in a way that really makes a point

On first interpretation of that, anyone could conclude that you actively wish for death and destruction.

And fuck you for saying it.

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JordanRules  Sep 6, 2017 • 12:10:25am

re: #197 teleskiguy

Naw man. Read the thread. Dog and Austin may be doubling down on their interaction but there have been other turns, interpretations
and open minds here.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 6, 2017 • 12:11:01am

re: #194 austin_blue

Oh, hell, son, just go ahead and fuck right off. Really. I don’t have the patience to put up with skeeves like you. I’m too old. Just fuck off. Sheesh. Pismire.

if you can’t stand the heat, just don’t start with me in the first place

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 6, 2017 • 12:11:31am

re: #193 Anymouse 🌹

I use an actual travel agent with a real office, in Ogallala. In cases where she can’t help us (like buying rail tickets for our trip to Germany and Poland or our trip to Churchill), I call the transport company in question.

Computer algorithms are useful but they can fall apart in extreme situations. So sometimes the programmers needs to add a condition to the formula that specifies the result cannot exceed $x or fall below $y. OTOH, the programmers here are probably not given any guidance and no one has directed them on min/max bounds to incorporate.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 6, 2017 • 12:12:10am

For Curious Lurker (and anyone else who needs a cute break), today’s guinea pigs:

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 6, 2017 • 12:12:58am

re: #197 teleskiguy

Dude, you fucked up. You said something pretty vile and now you’re

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If I were you, I’d apologize and STFU about it.

You said

On first interpretation of that, anyone could conclude that you actively wish for death and destruction.

And fuck you for saying it.

well, fuck you for interpreting it that way

really, i don’t know what the fuck is happening in you people’s brains that that would be the interpretation that you would read into it

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teleskiguy  Sep 6, 2017 • 12:13:13am

re: #198 JordanRules

Nope. It’s pointless dick waving, and engineer dog is being a fuckin’ asshole.

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JordanRules  Sep 6, 2017 • 12:13:18am

re: #200 Hecuba’s daughter

I’m sure not having those maximums set is by design.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 6, 2017 • 12:14:10am

re: #196 JordanRules

Gotcha! On wonderful travel excursions like going to Europe, I’d certainly use an expert too. It’s great to have one you have a relationship with too. I’d definitely need a referral.

I can refer you to my travel agent if you wish. I’m not sure you want to travel all the way to Ogallala, NE to sit in her office, but if you have a credit card she might take your order over the phone. (If you’re a local person she knows, she’ll take a personal cheque.)

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 6, 2017 • 12:14:15am

G’night Lizards.

I strongly recommend the application of a medicinal cat photo or two. Video if you are dealing with an exceptionally strong case. Reapply as needed.

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JordanRules  Sep 6, 2017 • 12:14:23am

re: #203 teleskiguy

I love how you say nope like there aren’t literally other interpretations that people have put forth and accepted.

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teleskiguy  Sep 6, 2017 • 12:18:02am

re: #207 JordanRules

I’m speaking for myself.

OK, without context, how would some schmo interpret these words?

might could be that mother nature may fuck up the southeastern united states this fall in a way that really makes a point

No question marks. No punctuation. Hell, no capitalization.

At first glance I would say FUCK YOU YOU FUCK. Rightly so. Like austin_blue said, words matter. That’s a bullshit statement unworthy of LGF.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Sep 6, 2017 • 12:18:49am

re: #197 teleskiguy

Dude, you fucked up. You said something pretty vile and now you’re

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If I were you, I’d apologize and STFU about it.

You said

On first interpretation of that, anyone could conclude that you actively wish for death and destruction.

And fuck you for saying it.

If I weren’t going directly to bed, I’d probably be sorry for mixing in to this, but…

For the record, I did not so interpret it.

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Single-handed sailor  Sep 6, 2017 • 12:19:46am

Hmmmm, Should I have a bowl of Gorilla Glue #5 or a bowl with a little Cactus mixed with Purple Hindu Kush? Fuck it, the way you guys are acting I’m going to have both.

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JordanRules  Sep 6, 2017 • 12:19:50am

re: #208 teleskiguy

Read the thread like I originally suggested. You’re replaying the 3rd quarter dude.

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teleskiguy  Sep 6, 2017 • 12:21:35am

re: #211 JordanRules

You’ll never win me over with American football metaphors.

I’ve read every comment between austin_blue and engineer dog. And I think engineer dog is being obstinate.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 6, 2017 • 12:22:39am

I think many arguments here are triggered by the fact that people are typing when we should be asleep and we often fail to understand how others can misinterpret our remarks. Then we all dig in and argue to defend what we meant. At work, I’ve been in situations (not controversial) where I knew what I meant but the recipient of the note completely misjudged my comments, and went down the wrong path. Or my favorite typo: someone substituting “now” for “not”.

And now I think I am going to try to return to bed!

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 6, 2017 • 12:23:06am

re: #208 teleskiguy

I’m speaking for myself.

OK, without context, how would some schmo interpret these words?

No question marks. No punctuation. Hell, no capitalization.

At first glance I would say FUCK YOU YOU FUCK. Rightly so. Like austin_blue said, words matter. That’s a bullshit statement unworthy of LGF.

my opinion is that you are the one who needs to explain why you interpreted it the way you did

how would some schmo interpret these words?

by taking the time to consider that it might be unlikely that somebody who has commented here in the past would intend to say something shockingly sociopathic?

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JordanRules  Sep 6, 2017 • 12:23:16am

re: #212 teleskiguy

Football from another country then?

Others have weighed in and that’s what I was referring to. That’s all.

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teleskiguy  Sep 6, 2017 • 12:24:58am

re: #214 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

Fuck you. I’m a sociopath now.

FUCK YOU.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 6, 2017 • 12:26:19am

re: #216 teleskiguy

Fuck you. I’m a sociopath now.

FUCK YOU.

oh, c’mon

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JordanRules  Sep 6, 2017 • 12:27:02am

re: #216 teleskiguy

That is not what he said. Please check it out again.

He has posted here before so he’s saying why would one assume he’d say something sociopathic all the sudden.

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JordanRules  Sep 6, 2017 • 12:30:18am
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teleskiguy  Sep 6, 2017 • 12:33:14am

re: #214 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

What you said was sociopathic. So I guess I’m a sociopath for thinking you said something sociopathic.

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austin_blue  Sep 6, 2017 • 12:33:15am

Night all, I think we should concentrate on what is really important over the next couple of days.

Trump tweeting on how Irma is the Best Hurricane Ever!

Sweet scaly dreams.

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teleskiguy  Sep 6, 2017 • 12:35:14am

I’ll twist the logic and rhetoric all I please. What engineer dog said was fucked.

I’m out. Later.

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JordanRules  Sep 6, 2017 • 12:35:31am
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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 6, 2017 • 12:37:17am

My opinion (which probably no one wants) is that everyone is talking or thinking past each other on Dog Philosopher’s original post (as I did and he clarified to my satisfaction).

Perhaps more guinea pigs will help? Don’t make me unleash the guinea pigs… .

UNLEASH THE GUINEA PIGS!

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JordanRules  Sep 6, 2017 • 12:47:47am

Interesting… Twitter’s very own weighs in. Yes, folks are giving him shit about issues with his platform in the replies.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 6, 2017 • 12:51:46am

re: #16 Charles Johnson

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Tucker has a tv show. How is anything he broadcasts on his tv show, done in silence?

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JordanRules  Sep 6, 2017 • 12:54:43am
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JordanRules  Sep 6, 2017 • 12:57:23am
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austin_blue  Sep 6, 2017 • 1:02:21am

re: #227 JordanRules

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It’s not a super hurricane. It’s a hurricane. It’s a Cat 5. Can’t we just call things what they are?

Have mercy, we are just fucking idiots in This Modern World..

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JordanRules  Sep 6, 2017 • 1:06:57am

re: #229 austin_blue

Ralph is just a weather enthusiast in the Philippines with 3 retweets. Luckily it probably won’t catch on.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 6, 2017 • 1:20:04am

Well, I’m off to bed. G’night y’all.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 6, 2017 • 1:22:09am

For now, the live Webcam on St. Bart’s is still running:
youtube.com

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JordanRules  Sep 6, 2017 • 1:23:50am

Guardian has live blog of Irma.

amp.theguardian.com

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JordanRules  Sep 6, 2017 • 1:38:33am

From journalist in Antigua.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 6, 2017 • 1:43:53am

snopes.com

Apparently in the fever-swamps that represent right-wing social media, a photo is floating around which claims to show Donald Trump rescuing two cats from flooding in Houston.

Snopes rates it as false (the photo is altered, and the flood is an Iowa flood from 2008)

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JordanRules  Sep 6, 2017 • 1:47:54am

re: #236 Anymouse 🌹

I’ve seen the pic. It was the most obvious joke ever.
I can’t believe Snopes had to weigh in. It was with a series of other ones photoshopping the yam into various rescue pics.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 6, 2017 • 2:12:06am

re: #237 JordanRules

I’ve seen the pic. It was the most obvious joke ever.
I can’t believe Snopes had to weigh in. It was with a series of other ones photoshopping the yam into various rescue pics.

Snopes has had to weigh in on a lot of right wing derp. This very-well sourced article below is very recent (I can’t seem to find dates on Snopes articles).

I’ve heard this occasionally floated as an idea all my life, but the last couple years there has been a full court press to push this idea into the mainstream.

Were the Nazis Socialists?

Short answer: no. The article refers to many statements and documents, including the Nazis own statements, to show why it is “no.”

Painting liberals as Nazis has been a pasttime of right-wingers (the old no one wants to be considered a Nazi) and against adversaries in comment sections of blogs and USENet (thus the source of Mike Godwin’s famous quote).

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Sep 6, 2017 • 2:18:47am

Texas Tech President calls for Congressional action to protect “DACA” students

Texas Tech President Lawrence Schovanec released a letter to the campus community Tuesday saying the university supports all students, including those enrolled in the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program.

The letter came in response to President Donald Trump’s plan to “wind down” the program aimed at protecting hundreds of thousands of young immigrants who were brought into the country illegally as children.

Congressman Jodey Arrington (R-edneck) and other GOP flying monkeys could do no better than repeat Jeff Sessions’s spurious claim that DACA is unconstitutional.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Sep 6, 2017 • 2:28:51am

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Sep 6, 2017 • 2:34:20am

Favorite bad metaphor:
“This is territory so virginal no human eyeball has yet set foot on it.”

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JordanRules  Sep 6, 2017 • 2:37:57am
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Dave In Austin  Sep 6, 2017 • 2:40:34am

Damn, busy nite last nite….

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JordanRules  Sep 6, 2017 • 2:43:05am
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Dave In Austin  Sep 6, 2017 • 2:44:32am

I see Ron Johnson wants concessions from Dems on the wall for help with #DACA. May be heartless from some POV but I say Claen or no. IMHO, these pigs own it now

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JordanRules  Sep 6, 2017 • 2:55:33am

re: #245 Dave In Austin

Graham and Durbin said no to that. Will be interesting to see how the GOPers split on this.

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JordanRules  Sep 6, 2017 • 2:59:20am
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freetoken  Sep 6, 2017 • 3:03:58am

Very little can be made out, but one of the cameras from Port Gustavia is still online. Occasionally you can see the palm waving around:

Live Webcam St-Barth - Port de Gustavia

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freetoken  Sep 6, 2017 • 3:05:50am

The camera on the hill looking at Flamand beach is still on too, but the horizontal rain obscures everything:

St-Barth - Flamand Beach

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JordanRules  Sep 6, 2017 • 3:10:45am

re: #248 freetoken

I’ve been watching that tree hang on for hours.

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freetoken  Sep 6, 2017 • 3:11:44am

re: #250 JordanRules

I’ve been watching that tree hang on for hours.

The palm is a stubborn thing.

The sun ought to be up, but I guess it’s so dark still in St. Barth’s that the cameras are stuck in night mode.

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JordanRules  Sep 6, 2017 • 3:12:39am

re: #251 freetoken

This feed is still going too.

Webcam St-Barth - Col de la Tourmente

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freetoken  Sep 6, 2017 • 3:22:10am

Port Gustavia is right at the lead eyewall:

Image: tropical_ge_4km_ir4_floater_2_20170906091500.gif

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freetoken  Sep 6, 2017 • 3:26:44am

Looks like Youtube is now just playing loops of the last couple of minutes of broadcast from St. Barths.

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freetoken  Sep 6, 2017 • 3:37:33am

USVI likely to miss the eye, but will get quite a bit of the storm still. Live feed:

St. Croix Caravelle Hotel & Casino Live Feed

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 6, 2017 • 3:47:34am

nhc.noaa.gov

The latest track from NHS shows the hurricane moving right up the Florida Peninsula (in five days they show it as a major hurricane centred over Lake Okeechobee).

It would appear instead of my bro-in-law in Houston being in danger, it’s my son in Jacksonville.

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JordanRules  Sep 6, 2017 • 3:53:14am
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freetoken  Sep 6, 2017 • 3:55:22am

Supposedly the last video portion from Anguilla (the big island, not St Barth) before the video stopped:

Irma hitting Maho beach , Saint Martin. (PTZtv)

google.com

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JordanRules  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:11:41am

Lizards called it yesterday.

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freetoken  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:12:13am

re: #259 JordanRules

Not so much a live feed anymore. The clip I posted was captured by someone watching the feed before it died.

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freetoken  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:12:40am

re: #260 JordanRules

So much winning.

And it is not the “largest” but the strongest.

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freetoken  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:30:05am

Anguilla coming up on the NE eyewall now:

rammb.cira.colostate.edu

The previous video was when Anguilla was on the west side. Supposedly the “weak” side.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:45:51am

re: #241 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

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Favorite bad metaphor:
“This is territory so virginal no human eyeball has yet set foot on it.”

Number 10: E Coli romance!

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:04:55am
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electrotek  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:09:16am

She has effectively become the Asian Trump:

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:10:44am

Trump hints in tweet that if Congress doesn’t act he’ll “revisit” DACA issue. Raises hopes that there might be a path. Sessions, gleeful to rescind, was last seen crashing through the floor after stomping and shouting “you promised me we could deport!”

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:11:05am
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electrotek  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:12:09am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:13:06am

re: #266 electrotek

She has effectively become the Asian Trump:

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Man this is sad. You’d think after how she was treated by the military dictatorship there. So much cruelty in the world man. Religion can be such a powerful and positive force but it can be so destructive too.

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freetoken  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:14:05am

Apparently some comms in Gustavia must be workings, as these tweets are timed when the eye was overhead:

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electrotek  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:14:25am

re: #270 HappyWarrior

Man this is sad. You’d think after how she was treated by the military dictatorship there. So much cruelty in the world man. Religion can be such a powerful and positive force but it can be so destructive too.

She just proved herself how she is embedded in the racism and bigotry of Burmese society. She’s a witch.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:15:57am

re: #272 electrotek

She just proved herself how she is embedded in the racism and bigotry of Burmese society. She’s a witch.

I know. Can’t help but to think of that Dark Knight quote of dying the hero and living to become a villain.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:17:30am

re: #266 electrotek

She has effectively become the Asian Trump:

Aung San Suu Kyi is blaming “terrorists” and “fake news” for violence against the Rohingya. Over 125,000 Muslims have tried to flee Myanmar:

The Rohingya are mere pawns in an Asian power play: China is interested in obtaining an outlet to the Indian Ocean and these poor folks are stuck between a rock and a hard place.

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freetoken  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:19:11am

Also appears to be tweeted while in the eye:

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MsJ  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:19:19am

re: #117 austin_blue

Strap in, it’s going to be a bumpy night.

I couldn’t tell if those was a hurricane comment or a nurse-getting-suspended-for-a-peekaboo comment. They’re kinda commingled at this point in the comments. 😳

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Varek Raith  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:39:36am

re: #258 freetoken

Holy fucking hell.

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jeffreyw  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:40:13am

Imgur


Good morning!

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freetoken  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:45:21am

The tweet says “after” Irma, but this is only the damage from the western eyewall:

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freetoken  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:47:21am
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JordanRules  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:48:20am

re: #280 freetoken

Just saw this report. Most sturdy buildings destroyed per French officials. Yikes.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:48:40am

re: #260 JordanRules

Lizards called it yesterday.

MAKING HURRICANE STORMS GREAT AGAIN!!! OBAMA NEVER HAD SUCH BIGLY STORMS!

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:49:56am

re: #194 austin_blue

Oh, hell, son, just go ahead and fuck right off. Really. I don’t have the patience to put up with skeeves like you. I’m too old. Just fuck off. Sheesh. Pismire.

Upding for “pismire” That’s a word you don’t see much anymore.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:55:40am

re: #272 electrotek

She just proved herself how she is embedded in the racism and bigotry of Burmese society. She’s a witch.

My late husband and I saw the movie Beyond Rangoon when it was released in 1995. She was a hero then and represented truth in the face of dictatorship. It is so sad when someone who starts as good and caring slowly metamorphoses themselves into evil and cruelty. We are all capable of being carried away by anger and hatred.

OT from the discussion a few hours age: perhaps we lizards could restrict the word sociopath to those who truly deserve it: any member of the Trump family (Barron excepted for now), anyone who still supports Trump, all GOP members of the House, most GOP in the Senate, and anyone who likes Ayn Rand.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:55:57am

re: #282 Sir John Barron

The pictures on my TV are great! I’d give up golf to watch this cool storm stuff!

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freetoken  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:56:04am

re: #281 JordanRules

Those images are from inside the eye. The islands are now in the thick of the eastern side. This was the satellite just minutes ago:

Image: tropical_ge_4km_ir4_floater_2_20170906121500.gif

Those little islands on the east side of the wall are Anguilla.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:56:06am

re: #283 The Vicious Babushka

Upding for “pismire” That’s a word you don’t see much anymore.

I have seen “pissant” in the sense of diminutive…obviously related.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:56:53am

re: #284 Hecuba’s daughter

My late husband and I saw the movie Beyond Rangoon when it was released in 1995. She was a hero then and represented truth in the face of dictatorship. It is so sad when someone who starts as good and caring slowly metamorphoses themselves into evil and cruelty. We are all capable of being carried away by anger and hatred.

OT from the discussion a few hours age: perhaps we lizards could restrict the word sociopath to those who truly deserve it: any member of the Trump family (Barron excepted for now), anyone who still supports Trump, all GOP members of the House, most GOP in the Senate, and anyone who likes Ayn Rand.

Oh this woman is from that movie? I liked that movie, too, haven’t seen it in a while.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:59:17am

re: #288 Sir John Barron

Oh this woman is from that movie? I liked that movie, too, haven’t seen it in a while.

I haven’t seen it but I first really became aware of her because a lot of celebrities championed her cause. If Sergey’s here, it kind of reminds me of what we saw with Lech Walesa a little.

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freetoken  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:59:23am
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b.d. (bill d.)  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:00:44am

ENOUGH OF THIS FLORIDA SUCKING UP AND PITY!

KANSAS MATTERS TOO!

ALL STATES MATTER!

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JordanRules  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:01:08am

re: #290 freetoken

Lots of Irma fueled derp out there. I’ve seen some crazy stuff on the Twittahs!

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Varek Raith  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:03:02am

re: #290 freetoken

Alex Jones level derp:

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HAARP

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Varek Raith  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:12:26am

People still freak out about HAARP, right?
:P

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makeitstop  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:15:23am

It’s been dark as late dusk here for the past 45 minutes or so. Weather says there’s a cell over the Great South Bay triggering 30-40 lightning strikes per minute.

Most convincing hoax I’ve ever been a victim of.
/

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Varek Raith  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:16:23am

re: #295 makeitstop

It’s been dark as late dusk here for the past 45 minutes or so. Weather says there’s a cell over the Great South Bay triggering 30-40 lightning strikes per minute.

Most convincing hoax I’ve ever been a victim of.
/

My lightning guns sure are something, eh?

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makeitstop  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:17:34am

re: #296 Varek Raith

My lightning guns sure are something, eh?

The very best lightning guns, that I can tell you.

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I cannot.  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:21:48am

So…wow, I’ve been paying attention to nukes and storms…I *knew* we had a bad fire season, but at the same time I wasn’t paying attention to it.

And, for more fucking awesome disasters…Turkey Point nuclear power plant is 30 miles from Miami. It’s over 40 years old.

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Aussie Apocalypse  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:24:51am

re: #290 freetoken

They ‘liked” their own tweet.

‘Nuff said.

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Aussie Apocalypse  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:28:06am

re: #293 Varek Raith

So, its not Cobra Command got the Weather Dominator fixed?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:28:21am

God I really hate parts of the left sometime. So Trump puts 800,000 people easily in jeopardy yesterday and what are these clowns bitching about? Hillary.

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makeitstop  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:28:39am

Interesting

A bipartisan group of senators plans to introduce a resolution on Wednesday condemning the white nationalists who participated in the Charlottesville rallies in August, Politico reported Wednesday morning.

Sens. Mark Warner (D-VA), Tim Kaine (D-VA), Cory Gardner (R-CO) and Johnny Isakson (R-GA) will sponsor the resolution aimed at forcing President Donald Trump to either sign or reject a condemnation of “white nationalists, white supremacists, the Ku Klux Klan, neo-Nazis and other hate groups.” Trump does not have to address most resolutions, but the sponsors will introduce it as a joint resolution, which would require Trump’s signature.

I wonder how he’ll try to dodge that.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:31:06am

re: #301 HappyWarrior

God I really hate parts of the left sometime. So Trump puts 800,000 people easily in jeopardy yesterday and what are these clowns bitching about? Hillary.

We can start caring about DACA and the ACA and our basic survival once we’ve achieved perfect purity.

/

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:31:07am

re: #302 makeitstop

Interesting

I wonder how he’ll try to dodge that.

He’ll weasel and Duke and Spencer will love him even more for it.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:32:50am

re: #302 makeitstop

Interesting

I wonder how he’ll try to dodge that.

It’ll have to pass both chambers which it never will. House will send it to Rules for review and it will sit there until the end of this Congress.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:33:14am

re: #303 Sir John Barron

We can start caring about DACA and the ACA and our basic survival once we’ve achieved perfect purity.

/

These people are so goddamn immature. They say Hillary sucked because she couldn’t beat Trump. Well what does it tell you that Sanders couldn’t beat Hillary then if she’s so awful? Never an answer for that just bullshit about the DNC “stole” the primary from him. These people don’t give a shit about the minorities that play a big role in the Democratic Party and instead want to make it all about a seventy six year old dude from Vermont who has limited appeal beyond white lefty college students and old lefties who can’t accept that Americans aren’t in love with the idea of socialism.

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MsJ  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:36:46am

re: #241 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

#9 was actually pretty good. And funny as hell.

“Her vocabulary was as bad as, like, whatever.”

That seems pretty on point and perfect, to me.

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Belafon  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:37:38am

This is “interesting”:

… It was last Thursday, and Sessions and one of his former aides, Stephen Miller, who now serves as Trump’s senior policy adviser, tried to get into the Oval Office to see Trump and talk again about their opposition to protections for Dreamers, according to a person familar about the situation. They saw the president wavering and wanted to remind him of the legal argument and the stakes.

Kelly stopped them.

Kelly, the former secretary of homeland security, had a solution in mind aimed at allowing Trump to fulfill a campaign promise while easing the president’s clear misgivings about ending a program geared toward children — many of whom had no idea they were being brought to the country illegally. Delay the program’s end by six months, Kelly told Trump.

There was a practical benefit of this approach too; it would give Congress time to devise a legislative fix to protect nearly 800,000 Dreamers.

“General Kelly either wants a delay on the decision or to keep DACA, and is very frustrated by the attorney general and his former staffer Stephen Miller’s efforts to pursue their own agenda, given the president told his staff in the past he wants to keep DACA in place,” according to a person familiar with the situation.

Kelly used the weekend to call congressional leaders and lock in support. As details leaked, the administration’s decision was now set…

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:38:41am

I don’t hate socialism btw but too many socialists including Sanders are too obsessed with it to see other problems going on and maybe that’s why their message fails to take hold. Inequality IS a problem but so is racism, xenophobia, sexism, etc and for someone representing a state with less minorities then my home country to just dismiss it as a “distraction” is insulting.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:38:53am

re: #308 Belafon

… It was last Thursday, and Sessions and one of his former aides, Stephen Miller, who now serves as Trump’s senior policy adviser,

I’d somehow missed this connection before.

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scottslemmons  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:39:09am

I have nothing but horrible wingnut Congressmen in my neck of Texas, so to get them to read the postcards I send them, I have to resort to trickery — namely, I send them weird cartoons. Here are the five latest:

I’d love to find out whether these cartoons actually got them to read the postcards instead of immediately round-filing them, but I don’t think I’d be able to call them up and ask.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:39:45am

re: #308 Belafon

This is “interesting”:

Kelly is a coward.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:40:18am

re: #310 Sir John Barron

I’d somehow missed this connection before.

Oh yeah? Dead eyes Miller was on Sessions Senate staff.

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makeitstop  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:40:26am

re: #312 HappyWarrior

Kelly is a coward.

…who works for an even bigger coward.

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ObserverArt  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:41:12am

re: #260 JordanRules

Lizards called it yesterday.

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
Hurricane looks like largest ever recorded in the Atlantic!
6:53 AM - Sep 6, 2017
7,177 7,177 Replies 4,152 4,152 Retweets 15,602 15,602 likes

Hurricanes love Trump…so yeah they are gonna be Yuge!!!

Only during Trump administration are Hurricanes this big. Hurricanes during Obama times were wimpy.

Trump has the biggest hurricanes, just like his hands. Too big!

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:41:58am

re: #314 makeitstop

…who works for an even bigger coward.

Yep.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:42:13am

re: #313 HappyWarrior

Oh yeah? Dead eyes Miller was on Sessions Senate staff.

Not surprising, but discouraging to learn this guy has been allowed to spread his bugfuggery in the Senate and in the W.H.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:43:07am

re: #317 Sir John Barron

Not surprising, but discouraging to learn this guy has been allowed to spread his bugfuggery in the Senate and in the W.H.

Yeah I know. This guy literally was mentored by Dickhead Spencer in college.

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lawhawk  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:44:27am

Greets and saluts from the Resistance in the NYC metro area. Storm prep in Puerto Rico, USVI and Florida continues as Irma bears down on them. Sheltering in place in some of these locations is not an option when the storm surge is likely to be catastrophic, and the winds are akin to being in a EF-4 tornado.

This is the kind of storm that the only safe move is to get out of the way.

There are mandatory evacuations out of the Florida Keys. Low lying areas are going to be absolutely hammered, and the storm track continues to put South Florida squarely in its sights.

Along the way, it’s likely to do significant to catastrophic damage to vulnerable locations like Haiti and the Dominican Republic too. Puerto Rico isn’t in great shape to handle a storm like this either; the ongoing recession and teetering on bankruptcy has meant the island hasn’t got the resources to devote to hardening its infrastructure, and they’re warning that areas might not see power restored for weeks (or months).

We can joke about how we’d love to see Mar a Lago returned to ocean, and that the 19th Hole there would truly become a watering hole, but the reality is that all of South Florida is going to be hit by a storm that as presently construed would make Andrew look tame.

After Andrew, Florida began to institute new building codes, and many structures built after Andrew are reinforced and are better able to handle severe tropical weather. The problem is that there’s far more structures out there that haven’t been retrofitted and that means damage to those structures is likely, and the debris from those damaged structures will inflict damage on adjacent/nearby structures. Again, this is as though you’re getting a multi-mile wide EF-4 tornado roaring through for hours. This will seriously redistribute the contents of any given geographical area thoroughly.

For the lizards in Florida, stay safe and have your evac plan and go-bags ready.

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ObserverArt  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:53:53am

re: #302 makeitstop

Interesting

I wonder how he’ll try to dodge that.

He’ll ask for a resolution condemning the alt-left/antifa who participated in the Charlottesville demonstrations. He will make sure to point out that he is signing both of them at the same time because there are good and bad people on both sides…okay.

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Belafon  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:55:04am

re: #312 HappyWarrior

Kelly is a coward.

Kelly can’t stop Trump. Kelly can try to get him to “delay” so that it will be someone else can do the right thing.

Imagine working in that environment.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:56:14am

re: #315 ObserverArt

Hurricanes love Trump…so yeah they are gonna be Yuge!!!

Only during Trump administration are Hurricanes this big. Hurricanes during Obama times were wimpy.

Trump has the biggest hurricanes, just like his hands. Too big!

Has Trump ordered troops to Mar a Lago yet, to protect the china and Trump wine?

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lawhawk  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:57:28am

re: #298 I cannot.

There are a cluster of nuclear power plants that are on coastal areas. That includes St. Lucie nuclear power station up the coast from there.

It is possible that a storm surge of a significant magnitude could inundate the backup systems just as surely as they did at Fukushima (or the Arkema chemical plant in Crosby TX), and cause system failures.

Hope isn’t good enough to protect these systems. The NRC should require backup systems should be elevated out of likely storm surge path but this GOP and Trump admin are busy rolling back safety protections that are already proving insufficient. Ignoring the evidence on global warming and sea level rise means that facilities like coastal nuclear power plants are more vulnerable in coming years, and the spent fuel pools become as dangerous as the reactor cores themselves.

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ObserverArt  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:57:35am

re: #310 Sir John Barron

I’d somehow missed this connection before.

Me too. Sure does bring some clarity to the mini-Hitler sessions and “Dead Eyes” Miller.

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lawhawk  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:59:53am

Current weather loop from Guadaloupe showing the storm slamming Puerto Rico and US VI.

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lawhawk  Sep 6, 2017 • 7:01:31am

Yeah, who didn’t see this coming.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 7:04:05am

re: #326 lawhawk

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Yeah, who didn’t see this coming.

But her emails!

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Citizen K  Sep 6, 2017 • 7:05:10am

re: #309 HappyWarrior

I don’t hate socialism btw but too many socialists including Sanders are too obsessed with it to see other problems going on and maybe that’s why their message fails to take hold. Inequality IS a problem but so is racism, xenophobia, sexism, etc and for someone representing a state with less minorities then my home country to just dismiss it as a “distraction” is insulting.

Too damn many have got it in their heads that economics is THE sole, singular, animating problem and all else spawns from it, that if you just make everything perfect economically, that all those other issues will disappear. You see this especially with racism, where they claim racism is used as a distraction from classism, and if you solve classism, racism will naturally melt away.

They don’t get that the issues are interrelated, rather than the same issue in disguise. Yes, racism has been used to distract from classism, but it didn’t not INVENT racism. Racism was a convenient existing crowbar already there that could be used to co-opt another issue. Giving everyone basic income though, however, will not magically make people stop treating other people as sub-human purely on the basis of skin color or ethnicity. Even in our Prosperity Gospel-soaked psyche, we see how even the richest minority can often be treated as lesser than the poorest white person when push comes to shove.

You saw this during the initial surge of ‘What about the WWC?!’ bullshit after the election. You see it in the absolute erasure of Clinton voter PoVs post-election, where it’s almost like they don’t exist except when cast as villain to the Trump voter protagonist. And as many have pointed out, there’s a goddamn reason so many PoCs voted for Hillary and the Dems. It’s not a fucking game, and we’ve already seen how being sold an economic utopia gets people left behind because it ‘s either sold on the foundation of bigotry or turns a blind eye to it on the assumption that ‘a rising tide lifts all boats’.

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lawhawk  Sep 6, 2017 • 7:06:07am

re: #327 HappyWarrior

But her emails.
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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 7:07:18am

re: #328 Citizen K

Too damn many have got it in their heads that economics is THE sole, singular, animating problem and all else spawns from it, that if you just make everything perfect economically, that all those other issues will disappear. You see this especially with racism, where they claim racism is used as a distraction from classism, and if you solve classism, racism will naturally melt away.

They don’t get that the issues are interrelated, rather than the same issue in disguise. Yes, racism has been used to distract from classism, but it didn’t not INVENT racism. Racism was a convenient existing crowbar already there that could be used to co-opt another issue. Giving everyone basic income though, however, will not magically make people stop treating other people as sub-human purely on the basis of skin color or ethnicity. Even in our Prosperity Gospel-soaked psyche, we see how even the richest minority can often be treated as lesser than the poorest white person when push comes to shove.

You saw this during the initial surge of ‘What about the WWC?!’ bullshit after the election. You see it in the absolute erasure of Clinton voter PoVs post-election, where it’s almost like they don’t exist except when cast as villain to the Trump voter protagonist. And as many have pointed out, there’s a goddamn reason so many PoCs voted for Hillary and the Dems. It’s not a fucking game, and we’ve already seen how being sold an economic utopia gets people left behind because it ‘s either sold on the foundation of bigotry or turns a blind eye to it on the assumption that ‘a rising tide lifts all boats’.

You get it. Too many of the holier than thou other white lefties I know do NOT get it.

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ObserverArt  Sep 6, 2017 • 7:07:30am

re: #325 lawhawk

Current weather loop from Guadaloupe showing the storm slamming Puerto Rico and US VI.

Damn, the eye looks like it is lined right up to hit Vieques the Puerto Rican Island that is just east of Puerto Rico’s mainland.

That is where my friend Ode is living. I can see her and her number* of dogs trying to ride it out. She also works at a doggy center where they both care for dogs, have a kennel and a place for people to leave their dogs when away. She most likely will want to care for them all.

*number because I have no idea how many doggies she currently has. I think it was 5 last time I heard a couple months ago. She takes in strays all the time and then falls in love with them.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 7:07:31am

re: #329 lawhawk

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Mmmmmmm butter emails.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 7:07:55am

re: #331 ObserverArt

Damn, the eye looks like it is lined right up to hit Vieques the Puerto Rican Island that is just east of Puerto Rico’s mainland.

That is where my friend Ode is living. I can see her and her number* of dogs trying to ride it out. She also works at a doggy center where they both care for dogs, have a kennel and a place for people to leave their dogs when away. She most likely will want to care for them all.

*number because I have no idea how many doggies she currently has. I think it was 5 last time I heard a couple months ago. She takes in strays all the time and then falls in love with them.

My cousin has friends in PR too. Man whole thing is just awful.

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Nyet  Sep 6, 2017 • 7:09:51am

Despite vacationing in yet another capital city I’ve finished The Defenders. It was pretty satisfying, although it did not reach the level of DD or JJ. The main villain was played by a great actress but she was still very bland and stereotype-laden. But still it was a fun ride.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 7:12:06am

re: #334 Nyet

Despite vacationing in yet another capital city I’ve finished The Defenders. It was pretty satisfying, although it did not reach the level of DD or JJ. The main villain was played by a great actress but she was still very bland and stereotype-laden. But still it was a fun ride.

Hey man I was thinking of your points about Lech Walesa since what’s going on with Aung San Suu Kyi in Burma kind of reminds me of that.

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Citizen K  Sep 6, 2017 • 7:14:43am

re: #330 HappyWarrior

You get it. Too many of the holier than thou other white lefties I know do NOT get it.

It’s what infuriates me about the Berniacs and the purity pony folks who think that single-payer will solve everything. Would it be nice? Yes. Is it worth fighting for? Yes! is it worth ignoring every single other issue we have to hold the line on because the GOP is busy rolling every-fucking-thing back to 1850? No!! If you want to be a party for the people, you have to be a party for the especially marginalized, and that includes PoCs in a time where it’s clear that the WH is intent on demonizing them in particular!

I mean, I get just as pissed about the centrist scolds who have been treating Antifa as somehow a worse threat than fucking Nazis because of the strain to give the right some weird benefit of the doubt they haven’t earned yet (like, you know, Maggie Thrush and Glenn Haberman do with Trump…don’t @ me, I’m not convinced they’re separate people anymore). And that’s why I’m pissed when I see this bullshit about ‘Identity Politics’ coming from both sides of the firing line, the newest boogeyman because “Politically Correct” somehow isn’t scary enough anymore.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 7:16:25am

re: #336 Citizen K

It’s what infuriates me about the Berniacs and the purity pony folks who think that single-payer will solve everything. Would it be nice? Yes. Is it worth fighting for? Yes! is it worth ignoring every single other issue we have to hold the line on because the GOP is busy rolling every-fucking-thing back to 1850? No!! If you want to be a party for the people, you have to be a party for the especially marginalized, and that includes PoCs in a time where it’s clear that the WH is intent on demonizing them in particular!

I mean, I get just as pissed about the centrist scolds who have been treating Antifa as somehow a worse threat than fucking Nazis because of the strain to give the right some weird benefit of the doubt they haven’t earned yet (like, you know, Maggie Thrush and Glenn Haberman do with Trump…don’t @ me, I’m not convinced they’re separate people anymore). And that’s why I’m pissed when I see this bullshit about ‘Identity Politics’ coming from both sides of the firing line, the newest boogeyman because “Politically Correct” somehow isn’t scary enough anymore.

Exactly. Welfare state policies hasn’t made things better in Europe on race. And you’re definitely right about the POC and how “Identity Politics” has become the new PC for tohse who are too chickenshit to confront real issues going on.

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lawhawk  Sep 6, 2017 • 7:17:58am

Irma is already hitting the US. Puerto Rico and the US Virgin Islands (it’s right there in the goddamned name).

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 7:18:47am

If you had someone with Sanders economic vision but with a more practical nature and a better ear for cultural issues, I’d love that candidate and in fact, I did support someone like that in Perriello.

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Nyet  Sep 6, 2017 • 7:21:31am

re: #335 HappyWarrior

Right. That’s also why only dead people should get monuments. ;)

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Nyet  Sep 6, 2017 • 7:23:20am

re: #336 Citizen K

Is the Antifa worse or the same as the Nazis? Obviously not. Are they no-good punks that should STFU and fuck off? Yes.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 6, 2017 • 7:24:34am

re: #341 Nyet

Is the Antifa worse or the same as the Nazis? Obviously not. Are they no-good punks that should STFU and fuck off? Yes.

It is necessary for the right-wing polemicists to associate anyone who is anti-fascist with antifa.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 7:24:36am

re: #340 Nyet

Right. That’s also why only dead people should get monuments. ;)

Hahaha well even the dead get unflattering stuff revealed about them. Never seen letters do appear but I get your joke :).

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 7:25:16am

re: #342 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is necessary for the right-wing polemicists to associate anyone who is anti-fascist with antifa.

Which is what’s happening.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 7:26:30am

How do you talk to someone who thinks words are just words? Someone who I honestly don’t think is a bigot but is quite insensitive to the fact that words do have meaning and can hurt people?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 6, 2017 • 7:26:36am

re: #344 HappyWarrior

Which is what’s happening.

German press and media did a similar thing in the wake of the G-20 riots in Hamburg. Anyone opposed to corporatist globalism is painted as a bomb-throwing anarchist vandal and looter.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 7:27:44am

re: #346 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

German press and media did a similar thing in the wake of the G-20 riots in Hamburg. Anyone opposed to corporatist globalism is painted as a bomb-throwing anarchist vandal and looter.

Lots of the patterns we see are from American exclusive. Others just have their own spin. I’m sure in Germany and in Sergey’s home in Russia, there exists the “You can’t do thing A because thing B is happening too.”

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JordanRules  Sep 6, 2017 • 7:29:30am

re: #345 HappyWarrior

You may need to come to terms with them being a bigot.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 6, 2017 • 7:31:05am

re: #322 b.d. (bill d.)

Has Trump ordered troops to Mar a Lago yet, to protect the china and Trump wine?

Speaking of China, if this were indeed China, we’d be seeing the current situation as portents that Trump is about to lose the Mandate of Heaven.

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Belafon  Sep 6, 2017 • 7:31:36am

re: #345 HappyWarrior

How do you talk to someone who thinks words are just words? Someone who I honestly don’t think is a bigot but is quite insensitive to the fact that words do have meaning and can hurt people?

Insult them a few times, and then remind them words are just words. Or insult their family members.

Or, to be more polite, ask them what they would think if you insulted their family and friends.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 7:31:49am

re: #348 JordanRules

You may need to come to terms with them being a bigot.

Honestly, I don’t think they’re a bigot. I just think they’re incredibly insensitive to what words mean to people.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 7:32:51am

re: #350 Belafon

Insult them a few times, and then remind them words are just words. Or insult their family members.

Or, to be more polite, ask them what they would think if you insulted their family and friends.

This is a family member. Our very own iconclast in a sea of bleeding hearts.

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Belafon  Sep 6, 2017 • 7:33:19am

Offer them a newspaper and call it an apple.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 7:33:53am

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Nyet  Sep 6, 2017 • 7:35:16am

re: #342 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is necessary for the right-wing polemicists to

associate anyone who is anti-fascist with antifa.

And some of the liberals are only too happy to play along. “You know what fa in antifa means, right? How can anyone oppose them? Maybe *you* are a fascist? Huh? huuuuh?!!!1”

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nines09  Sep 6, 2017 • 7:35:40am

re: #345 HappyWarrior

How do you talk to someone who thinks words are just words? Someone who I honestly don’t think is a bigot but is quite insensitive to the fact that words do have meaning and can hurt people?

What ethnic background are they you? There are slurs for everyone of them. Just call them that every time you speak to them, you stupid (fill in blank). Like “You stupid effing (…).”

Then you can ask him after a month of that how he feels about being an “effing (…)”

My 2 cents.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 7:38:34am

re: #356 nines09

What ethnic background are they you? There are slurs for everyone of them. Just call them that every time you speak to them, you stupid (fill in blank). Like “You stupid effing (…).”

Then you can ask him after a month of that how he feels about being an “effing (…)”

My 2 cents.

He honestly doesn’t offend over it. I’ve tried pointing out that calling us crackers has nowhere the same historical meaning as the n-word. I really don’t think he’s a bigot. I really don’t but do I think he’s a bit insensitive? Yes, as well.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 7:39:17am

re: #355 Nyet

And some of the liberals are only too happy to play along. “You know what fa in antifa means, right? How can anyone oppose them? Maybe *you* are a fascist? Huh? huuuuh?!!!1”

Nothing is ever as simple as partisans want it to be.

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JordanRules  Sep 6, 2017 • 7:39:23am

re: #351 HappyWarrior

I know you honestly believe that. You want to give folks the benefit of the doubt and you hope for and see the best in people. And that’s a good thing! At what point do bigoted words mean you’re a bigot though? Maya Angelou says when someone shows you who they are, believe them.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 6, 2017 • 7:39:51am

re: #357 HappyWarrior

He honestly doesn’t offend over it. I’ve tried pointing out that calling us crackers has nowhere the same historical meaning as the n-word. I really don’t think he’s a bigot. I really don’t but do I think he’s a bit insensitive? Yes, as well.

does it not bring back recollections of when bands of blacks went about lynching white men with impunity?

/

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Varek Raith  Sep 6, 2017 • 7:39:52am

re: #345 HappyWarrior

That can be a tough one.
I’d start by pointing out to them all of the types of people that use said language an impress upon them that they don’t want to sound like or be compared to said people.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 7:43:13am

re: #359 JordanRules

I know you honestly believe that. You want to give folks the benefit of the doubt and you hope for and see the best in people. And that’s a good thing! At what point do bigoted words mean you’re a bigot though? Maya Angelou says when someone shows you who they are, believe them.

That’s what I honestly want to figure out. As I said, it’s a close family member. One I’ve never seen go out of his way to be a jerk to a PoC simply because tehy were a poc. I really want to think this is just insensitivity due to white privilege and frankly being kind of arrogant.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 7:43:42am

re: #361 Varek Raith

That can be a tough one.
I’d start by pointing out to them all of the types of people that use said language an impress upon them that they don’t want to sound like or be compared to said people.

Yeah, that’s what I sort of said.

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Shropshire Slasher  Sep 6, 2017 • 7:44:30am
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nines09  Sep 6, 2017 • 7:46:26am

re: #357 HappyWarrior

He doesn’t see the offense because he was never in that stew. Good luck.

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JordanRules  Sep 6, 2017 • 7:47:56am

re: #362 HappyWarrior

Being nice in people’s face doesn’t make up for it unfortunately. Me personally, I’d rather you be who you normally are when I’m not around so I know what I’m really dealing with.

I know it sucks but I kinda think you should just tell them they are a bigot and that they need to change their language and attitude because you know deep down they know better and they should strive to be a better person.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 7:47:57am

re: #365 nines09

He doesn’t see the offense because he was never in that stew. Good luck.

Exactly! I really do think it’s something that will be grown out of though in time. Another close family member was immature for other reasons and quite honestly now, he’ll be the first person I go to for advice if I ever have kids.

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makeitstop  Sep 6, 2017 • 7:48:41am

Some morning music with two LGF faves - Snarky Puppy and Knower.

Snarky Puppy feat. Knower & Jeff Coffin - “I Remember” (Family Dinner - Volume Two)

You’d have to measure the talent in that room by metric tons.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 7:49:05am

re: #366 JordanRules

Being nice in people’s face doesn’t make up for it unfortunately. Me personally, I’d rather you be who you normally are when I’m not around so I know what I’m really dealing with.

I know it sucks but I kinda think you should just tell them they are a bigot and that they need to change their language and attitude because you know deep down they know better and they should strive to be a better person.

Yep, you got it. I think we’ve come to an understanding thankfully. It just frustrates me because he ain’t dumb by any stretch but boy does he have a lot to elarn and experience.

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Varek Raith  Sep 6, 2017 • 7:51:04am

re: #369 HappyWarrior

Yep, you got it. I think we’ve come to an understanding thankfully. It just frustrates me because he ain’t dumb by any stretch but boy does he have a lot to elarn and experience.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 7:51:38am

re: #370 Varek Raith

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JordanRules  Sep 6, 2017 • 7:52:33am

re: #369 HappyWarrior

Yup! Make him do better. Hold him to a higher standard because you love him. Don’t compromise or excuse because you will end of feeling like crap. And it means something to you, that’s why we’re discussing it. It’s important so let him know and be very blunt about it.

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MsJ  Sep 6, 2017 • 7:53:55am

re: #331 ObserverArt

She takes in strays all the time and then falls in love with them.

You say that like it’s a bad thing. :-)

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lawhawk  Sep 6, 2017 • 7:55:44am

Deleted tweet from Brian Klaas showing footage misattributed to Irma - thanks Jordan!

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 7:55:57am

On another note, I love the BBs accusing Clinton of being overly bitter when they engage in name calling and call her a failure. To be blunt here, I think Clinton accomplished more in one year as SoS than Sanders has his entire time in Congress. It’s one thing to have a nice voting record. It’s another to lead and Clinton has acutally done that in a way IMO Sanders can’t or hasn’t.

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Varek Raith  Sep 6, 2017 • 7:56:14am

I should start preparing for Irma in the coming days…

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Varek Raith  Sep 6, 2017 • 7:57:21am

re: #375 HappyWarrior

On another note, I love the BBs accusing Clinton of being overly bitter when they engage in name calling and call her a failure. To be blunt here, I think Clinton accomplished more in one year as SoS than Sanders has his entire time in Congress. It’s one thing to have a nice voting record. It’s another to lead and Clinton has acutally done that in a way IMO Sanders can’t or hasn’t.

Haha, much projection, such wow!

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Kilroy was here  Sep 6, 2017 • 7:57:45am

Something to laugh at today..
Gotta love the British sense of humor

He-Man and Skeletor Dancing | Money Supermarket Commercial

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 7:57:47am

re: #376 Varek Raith

I should start preparing for Irma in the coming days…

You think she’s coming our way? BTW, hope Bob Marshall loses big time this fall. It would be so perfect if he lost to the first openly transgendered Delegate in Virginia history but his candidate is an awesome lady too.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 6, 2017 • 7:58:00am

So, called my Mom down in Fort Lauderdale last night. She and my brothers plan on riding it out. I told her to make sure she had a small bag pack, and ready to take with her when the helicopters come to pluck her off her roof.

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Varek Raith  Sep 6, 2017 • 7:58:36am

re: #379 HappyWarrior

You think she’s coming our way? BTW, hope Bob Marshall loses big time this fall. It would be so perfect if he lost to the first openly transgendered Delegate in Virginia history but his candidate is an awesome lady too.

Might end up going up the east coast, over the Outer Banks of NC. May be problematic for us.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 7:59:10am

re: #377 Varek Raith

Haha, much projection, such wow!

No kidding. They’re like HOW DARE SHE WRITE A BOOK. But you know that they’d love it if Sanders had a book out and dished out Clinotn. My favorite though Varek is how they’re saying “Man Hillary sucks, she couldn’t beat Trump.” Uh your dude couldn’t beat her. What’s that say about him? The same dude that got Republican like numbers among racial minorities in our primaries.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 8:00:01am

re: #381 Varek Raith

Might end up going up the east coast, over the Outer Banks of NC. May be problematic for us.

Agh. That sucks especially because I got Slavic festival this Sunday. Irma’s going to be on my shit list if she gets in the way of my pirohi, kolbasi, and halushki!

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JordanRules  Sep 6, 2017 • 8:00:45am

re: #374 lawhawk

Regarding that alleged storm video tweet.

It’s being circulated everywhere as the hit on Barbuda but it’s not that either. Barbuda’s comms all knocked out at 12:30am. Landfall at about 1:45am. No comms since so we have no pics or video.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 8:01:16am

I think the Bros can’t accept the fact that there are some people out there who genuinely like Hillary Clinton and didn’t see her as settling. And that bothers them most of all because they think everyone should hate the Clintons as much as they do.

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Le Coquí Résistance  Sep 6, 2017 • 8:03:25am

re: #331 ObserverArt

Damn, the eye looks like it is lined right up to hit Vieques the Puerto Rican Island that is just east of Puerto Rico’s mainland.

That is where my friend Ode is living. I can see her and her number* of dogs trying to ride it out. She also works at a doggy center where they both care for dogs, have a kennel and a place for people to leave their dogs when away. She most likely will want to care for them all.

*number because I have no idea how many doggies she currently has. I think it was 5 last time I heard a couple months ago. She takes in strays all the time and then falls in love with them.

I hope she’s doing fine. So far, local reports everything is as fine as it can be, under the circumstances.

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lawhawk  Sep 6, 2017 • 8:05:14am

re: #384 JordanRules

Removed. Thanks for that.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 8:06:25am

espn.com

This crap is out of control. I kept my own rule. I did not read the comments.

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Citizen K  Sep 6, 2017 • 8:06:26am

re: #341 Nyet

Is the Antifa worse or the same as the Nazis? Obviously not. Are they no-good punks that should STFU and fuck off? Yes.

My problem with this is that Antifa isn’t exactly an organization, and as a movement, it’s still only being characterized by the worst of them at this point, the Black Bloc folks who seem to get treated as the sole representative of everything from Occupy, to Antifa, to the IMF protests and such. It’s the same playbook that gets BLM painted as wholly made up of rioters and looters, what got the civil rights movement painted as a bunch of riotous racist savages themselves, etc. It’s the same goddamn playbook.

I mean, yes, Antifa has to reckon with its fellow travelers in the Black Bloc morons who do no favors to anyone actually standing up against the Nazi folks etc. But it’s frustrating when this happens while fucking Nazis get apologias and paeans about free speech, etc. I don’t remember Antifa being responsible for things like out and out murder yet, and if anything coming out about Charlottesville in the recent is any indication, premeditated at that.

It’s a front in the same war that values ‘tone’ over ‘substance’, where Neo-Nazis and white supremacists get more credit for couching their purge talk in nice rhetoric and pressed khakis while groups like Antifa and BLM get painted as terrorists as soon as one person throws one thing, and gets everything else about them dismissed. It’s the some goddamn double standard that keeps us losing every goddamn time, especially when enough people on our own side willfully play into it.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 6, 2017 • 8:06:55am

Could be interesting to watch in the coming hours.
Claims to be a webcam streaming from Virgin Islands. specific location unknown.

Hurricane IRMA Virgin Islands Live Webcam Stream

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JordanRules  Sep 6, 2017 • 8:09:20am

re: #387 lawhawk

Sure thing!

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 8:12:06am

I’m troubled to see free speech becoming I have a right to say whatever without criticism. By all means let the bigot freak fly but don’t cry when people call you what you are and cry about political correctness or identity politics.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 6, 2017 • 8:14:56am

re: #392 HappyWarrior

I’m troubled to see free speech becoming I have a right to say whatever without criticism. By all means let the bigot freak fly but don’t cry when people call you what you are and cry about political correctness or identity politics.

It is called Wanting The Best of Both Worlds: freedom without responsibility

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 8:15:32am

re: #393 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is called Wanting The Best of Both Worlds: freedom without responsibility

Yep the modern right wing mindset in a nutshell.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 6, 2017 • 8:28:58am
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Ace-o-aces  Sep 6, 2017 • 8:32:12am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 8:33:18am

re: #396 Ace-o-aces

Ummmmm

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What the.

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JordanRules  Sep 6, 2017 • 8:33:44am

Finally! We should get an update on Barbuda soon.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 6, 2017 • 8:33:52am

re: #339 HappyWarrior

If you had someone with Sanders economic vision but with a more practical nature and a better ear for cultural issues, I’d love that candidate and in fact, I did support someone like that in Perriello.

For a moment there I thought you meant Sarah Huckabee Sanders and was wondering what the hell you were thinking.

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Kilroy was here  Sep 6, 2017 • 8:34:58am
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FormerDirtDart  Sep 6, 2017 • 8:35:22am

And no, they don’t where it came from.
I think it’s generally accepted that tigers are not native to Henry County, GA. ///

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Sir John Barron  Sep 6, 2017 • 8:35:28am

re: #399 Eclectic Cyborg

For a moment there I thought you meant Sarah Huckabee Sanders and was wondering what the hell you were thinking.

Yeah whenever I see the name “Sanders” I have to make sure which one is being talked about.

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ObserverArt  Sep 6, 2017 • 8:35:59am

re: #373 MsJ

You say that like it’s a bad thing. :-)

You only took it that way! : )

When she and my now passed friend were still living in Columbus, it was always a house of dogs. Every time I would visit there was a chance a new doggie would be introduced. Sometimes they took in strays from around Ohio State University, feed and love them, return them to health and then give them to a new loving home. They ran their own shelter.

One they kept, and possibly the most energetic and athletic dog was Ina a little black and white Wire Hair/Jack Russel Terrier. I loved that crazy dog. 10 minutes and she would wear you out jumping, running climbing on you, allowing a few pets and then running off and coming back again and again.

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JordanRules  Sep 6, 2017 • 8:36:18am

re: #396 Ace-o-aces

He’s the worst! If he didn’t do sports on Fox he’d gladly tap dance on Fox News or in Twitler’s cabinet.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 6, 2017 • 8:39:18am
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Ace-o-aces  Sep 6, 2017 • 8:40:00am

Utterly. Fucking. Useless.

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lawhawk  Sep 6, 2017 • 8:41:39am

Yeah, someone cue the bible thumpers who say that storm X hitting Y is proof that the people there are wicked/evil and need to change their evil ways.

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JordanRules  Sep 6, 2017 • 8:43:04am

re: #407 lawhawk

Oh wow!

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Sir John Barron  Sep 6, 2017 • 8:45:19am

re: #407 lawhawk

Yeah, someone cue the bible thumpers who say that storm X hitting Y is proof that the people there are wicked/evil and need to change their evil ways.

Nah, more like
See how much Trump is sacrificing to MAGA!!!!!

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 8:46:28am

re: #399 Eclectic Cyborg

For a moment there I thought you meant Sarah Huckabee Sanders and was wondering what the hell you were thinking.

Hahahha I know it’s so confusing.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 6, 2017 • 8:47:01am

re: #407 lawhawk

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only when gays, harlots and baby killers are involved

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 8:48:01am

re: #402 Sir John Barron

Yeah whenever I see the name “Sanders” I have to make sure which one is being talked about.

Even more confusing is that Bernie’s Press Sec was named Sanders as well and not a relation.And if I recall middle school correctly, we had a Sanders and a Saunders.

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lawhawk  Sep 6, 2017 • 8:48:34am

re: #411 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

only when gays, harlots and baby killers are involved

Those people… Them.

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Le Coquí Résistance  Sep 6, 2017 • 8:50:36am

These are local channels in Puerto Rico:

wapa.tv

telemundopr.com

Wapa seems to be having trouble at the moment.

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Broad With Sass  Sep 6, 2017 • 8:51:08am

This is the part I hate about the fracking hurricanes, the waiting….the storm prep is about done, gotta get the shutters dropped but it’s like a cave in the house when they are down

The current extended map has the Monday 8am spot like right over my house…lol

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 6, 2017 • 8:51:25am

re: #406 Ace-o-aces

Utterly. Fucking. Useless.

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So wait does this mean schools can legally discriminate against gay people now?

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 6, 2017 • 8:52:14am

re: #416 Eclectic Cyborg

So wait does this mean schools can legally discriminate against gay people now?

Title IX is still the law, but they can fuck around with enforcement.

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Shropshire Slasher  Sep 6, 2017 • 8:52:34am

re: #345 HappyWarrior

How do you talk to someone who thinks words are just words? Someone who I honestly don’t think is a bigot but is quite insensitive to the fact that words do have meaning and can hurt people?

I had to get in the car and go for a drive to mull over your question. I would do what my parents did, teach by example. He wont get it today, or tomorrow, or next week, but at some point in his life, he will get it. There is far too much name calling today. Don’t “call him out” it would harden and embolden him.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 6, 2017 • 8:53:41am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 6, 2017 • 8:54:44am

re: #417 Ace-o-aces

Title IX is still the law, but they can fuck around with enforcement.

So then they can pretty much legally discriminate against gay people?

Half /

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ObserverArt  Sep 6, 2017 • 8:56:31am

Speaking of Bernard Sanders…

I was surprised to see a commercial with Bernie supporting Ohio Issue #2.

All summer long there have been commercials against Issue #2 run and backed by Veterans Groups, Medical Industry, Chambers of Commerce, many Democrats, etc.

So, I need to do more studying before November, but Sanders really is confusing the issues. I’ve seen polls where 50% of Ohioans have no clue what is going on.

I’m leaning no, partly out of questioning why we need this bill.

Anyone that wants to weigh in with their thinking please do!

Here is a cleveland.com article on Sanders endorsement. The comments are not too kind to Bernie.

Bernie Sanders endorses Ohio Issue 2 drug pricing measure

COLUMBUS, Ohio — Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders is throwing his support and his image behind an Ohio ballot measure that seeks to reduce state spending on prescription drugs.

Sanders was an outspoken opponent of the pharmaceutical industry during his unsuccessful Democratic Party presidential primary race and in the months since last year’s election.

Issue 2 on the November ballot would require Ohio to pay no more for prescription drugs than the the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs does.

Supporters of the proposed law say it would save the state $400 million a year on drugs bought through Medicaid, state retirement plans and other state-operated health programs. Opponents, which include professional medical associations, chambers of commerce and pharmaceutical industry backers, dispute the savings and say the measure would cause privately insured Ohioans to pay more for drugs.

Last year Sanders endorsed a similar California measure, which failed 53 to 47 percent. As in California, the Ohio measure is funded by the AIDS Healthcare Foundation.

“Ohioans have the opportunity this year to take on the greed of the drug companies and significantly lower the cost of prescription drugs,” Sanders said in a statement issued by the Yes on Issue 2 campaign. “Corporate greed has no place in the health and wellness of you and your family.”

Sanders appears in a new 30-second ad supporting the measure but doesn’t mention Ohio once. Campaign spokesman Dennis Willard confirmed the ad uses footage recorded last year during the California campaign.

Willard couldn’t say Monday whether Sanders will visit Ohio to rally support for the measure or appear in future campaign advertisements.

“Sen. Sanders has committed to this issue and will be involved,” Willard said in an interview.

Dale Butland, spokesman for opposition group Ohioans Against the Deceptive Rx Ballot Issue, said the “no on Issue 2” campaign doesn’t need celebrities to get its point across. Butland, a longtime Democratic staffer and consultant, said he voted for Sanders in Ohio’s primary and respects him, but Sanders is wrong on Issue 2.

“Everyone who has looked at this [proposed law] says it is bad public policy that would have the opposite effect of what is intended and could likely raise drug costs for a majority of Ohioans and reduce access to needed medications for our most vulnerable citizens,” Butland said.

What is Ohio Issue #2?

BallotPedia - Overview Ohio Issue # 2

What would Ohio Issue 2 do?

This initiative would require the state and state agencies, including the Ohio Department of Medicaid, to pay the same or lower prices for prescriptions drugs as the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs (VA)—a department that negotiates drug prices with companies and typically pays 20 to 24 percent less than other agencies for prescription drugs.[2] Specifically, it would forbid state agencies to enter into any purchasing agreement with drug manufacturers unless the net cost of the drug is the same or less than that paid by the VA. Issue 2 would apply in any case in which the state ultimately provides funding for the purchase of drugs, even if the drugs are not purchased directly by a government agency. Examples of such cases include the Ohio Best Rx Program and the Ohio HIV Drug Assistance Program. Issue 2 would also allow the measure’s petitioners to have a direct and personal stake in defending the law from legal challenges, require the state to pay the petitioners’ reasonable legal expenses, and require the petitioners to pay $10,000 to the state if a court rules Issue 2 unenforceable.[1]

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 6, 2017 • 8:57:07am
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Decatur Deb  Sep 6, 2017 • 8:57:15am

re: #415 Broad With Sass

This is the part I hate about the fracking hurricanes, the waiting….the storm prep is about done, gotta get the shutters dropped but it’s like a cave in the house when they are down

The current extended map has the Monday 8am spot like right over my house…lol

Two of the westernmost runs converge over ours. There are gasoline lines, long for a workday, in Baja Alabama (80 miles inland). That’s probably a good thing.

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lawhawk  Sep 6, 2017 • 8:58:18am

re: #422 Backwoods_Sleuth

Think that the NWS Columbia got their wires crossed - graphics are for Irma, but they’re identifying as Irene in text.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 6, 2017 • 8:58:55am

re: #424 lawhawk

Think that the NWS Columbia got their wires crossed - graphics are for Irma, but they’re identifying as Irene in text.

That happens when one gets rattled…

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Broad With Sass  Sep 6, 2017 • 8:59:54am

re: #423 Decatur Deb

That’s why we’re staying..where the hell do you go

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:00:05am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:01:37am

re: #418 Shropshire Slasher

I had to get in the car and go for a drive to mull over your question. I would do what my parents did, teach by example. He wont get it today, or tomorrow, or next week, but at some point in his life, he will get it. There is far too much name calling today. Don’t “call him out” it would harden and embolden him.

Thanks. I agree about living by example.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:02:06am

re: #427 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It’s eitehr not good or it’s great with him.

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Dragonomics  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:02:08am

In WWII antifascists bombed German cities to molten slag. Today they, What? Break a Starbucks window?

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Decatur Deb  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:02:21am

re: #426 Broad With Sass

That’s why we’re staying..where the hell do you go

1. Birmingham
2. Niagra Falls
3. Vicksburg MS

All depending on the storm’s attitude. We sat out Opal because of work. Retirees got no reason to stay for a Cat 4-5.

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:02:44am

Looks like Clarke and Arpaio have some serious competition for the “worst Sheriff” award.

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Alephnaught  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:03:21am

Florida (County Sheriff) Man.

[EDIT. Wow this is my first “someone beat me to it” on LGF! I also have to say, having seen the previous tweet (I only saw the second one, but LGF embedded the first one as well.), I can see where he’s coming from, but it’s still the wrong conclusion, and one that could lead to deaths. ]

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:03:36am

re: #421 ObserverArt

Speaking of Bernard Sanders…

I was surprised to see a commercial with Bernie supporting Ohio Issue #2.

All summer long there have been commercials against Issue #2 run and backed by Veterans Groups, Medical Industry, Chambers of Commerce, many Democrats, etc.

So, I need to do more studying before November, but Sanders really is confusing the issues. I’ve seen polls where 50% of Ohioans have no clue what is going on.

I’m leaning no, partly out of questioning why we need this bill.

Anyone that wants to weigh in with their thinking please do!

Here is a cleveland.com article on Sanders endorsement. The comments are not too kind to Bernie.

Bernie Sanders endorses Ohio Issue 2 drug pricing measure

What is Ohio Issue #2?

BallotPedia - Overview Ohio Issue # 2

I’d have to look at the issue more before I decide who’s right and who’s wrong. As usual, I’m sure Sanders may have his heart in the right place but like you I do worry if eh really understands the issue.

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JordanRules  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:03:54am

re: #418 Shropshire Slasher

One of the big takeaways from all the empowered white supremacy these days is people of color and white anti-racists saying you need to talk to your family and friends if they are being bigoted. I think that is ridiculously important. I’ve never seen it go away by being silent and merely not doing it yourself. In fact, that type of complicity emboldens it IMO. When someone says something offensive and you do nothing they think it’s okay.

So I advised the complete opposite of you. Happy will obviously have to decide how he wants to handle it. But part of fixing this is confronting it and doing the work. It’s uncomfortable but not nearly as uncomfortable as it is for the targets of the behavior which, when allied with power is dangerous.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:04:29am

re: #432 Ace-o-aces

Looks like Clarke and Arpaio have some serious competition for the “worst Sheriff” award.

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Wow, what a dick. LEOs in this country are really getting out of hand.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:05:05am

re: #435 JordanRules

One of the big takeaways from all the empowered white supremacy these days is people of color and white anti-racists saying you need to talk to your family and friends if they are being bigoted. I think that is ridiculously important. I’ve never seen it go away by being silent and merely not doing it yourself. In fact, that type of complicity emboldens it IMO. When someone says something offensive and you do nothing they think it’s okay.

So I advised the complete opposite of you. Happy will obviously have to decide how he wants to handle it. But part of fixing this is confronting it and doing the work. It’s uncomfortable but not nearly as uncomfortable as it is for the targets of the behavior which, when allied with power is dangerous.

I do think living by example is key though. I do think I was for better lack of a word shaped by my grandfather’s example to my Dad and uncles.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:05:37am

re: #432 Ace-o-aces

Looks like Clarke and Arpaio have some serious competition for the “worst Sheriff” award.

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Dick.

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Broad With Sass  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:05:43am

Speaking of work..off I go

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JordanRules  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:05:49am

re: #432 Ace-o-aces

Well this asshole seems to have his priorities straight //

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Sir John Barron  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:05:55am

re: #432 Ace-o-aces

If you go to a shelter for #Irma and you have a warrant, we’ll gladly escort you to the safe and secure shelter called the Polk County Jail
— Polk County Sheriff

Some serious tough guys here. Funny, too.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:06:15am

re: #435 JordanRules

I read this yesterday people. I have no words how it was so shocking/moving/thought provoking.

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Bubblehead II  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:06:31am

re: #422 Backwoods_Sleuth

Tweet has been deleted. OOPS!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:07:32am

re: #443 Bubblehead II

Tweet has been deleted. OOPS!

:D

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:08:47am

🤔

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ObserverArt  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:08:51am

re: #406 Ace-o-aces

Utterly. Fucking. Useless.

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What? Rolling back Title IX for what reason?

Do they think this is more of their bigoted racist bullshit because it offered equal protections?

Hello White Women that voted for Trump…did you play any sports in college…did you get a scholarship to college to be on a sports team?

Title IX helped get you on that team. Hell in many schools it set up the teams for women.

Uggh. Stupid. DeVos sucks.

We were worried Trump wanted to set this country back to the ’50s. We debated waht 50s…1850, 1750…1950?

I think we are going for the wild wild west. Pack yer pistols, gonna need them.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:09:05am

re: #442 Stanley Sea

I read this yesterday people. I have no words how it was so shocking/moving/thought provoking.

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Well we’re not really talking about a racist. I think we’re talking more insensitivity than anything. I really don’t think my loved one is a racist. I do think he could definitely be more sensitive about what racism has done and does though.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:09:53am

re: #445 Eclectic Cyborg

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🤔

This guy is delusional for better lack of a word. Congress couldn’t pass immigration reform when Bush was in office and the R caucus was a lot more sane in those days.

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Amory Blaine  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:10:31am

Heh. Electrician RWNJ at work came at me in front of a bunch of other contractors blathering about antifa and some dumb shit about Clarke. I told him I can’t wait til I get my chance to punch a Nazi in the fucking face. Then I told him he was unamerican because he don’t like masks on antifa. I told him this is america and I’ll wear a fucking mask wherever the hell I want and if he don’t like it he should go to NK. He then said he’d rather go to Canada. So then I told him he wouldn’t like it up there with all the socialized medicine and worker rights. Heh.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:10:31am

re: #445 Eclectic Cyborg

I have read other analyses that say threatening to cancel DACA is a bargaining chip to get Congress to approve funding for the Wall, which, of course, Mexico will have to pay back some day…somehow.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:10:46am

re: #446 ObserverArt

Waht? Rolling back Title IX for what reason?

Do they think this is more of their bigoted racist bullshit because it offered equal protections?

Hello White Women that voted for Trump…did you play any sports in college…did you get a scholarship to college to be on a sports team?

Title IX helped get you on that team. Hell in many schools it set up the teams for women.

Uggh. Stupid. DeVos sucks.

We were worried Trump wanted to set this country back to the ’50s. We debated waht 50s…1850, 1750…1950?

I think we are going for the wild wild west. Pack yer pistols, gonna need them.

Are you talking BC though? But yeah. What point other than to be a dick does this serve? Men’s programs already get a lot of attention as is.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:11:57am

re: #450 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I have read other analyses that say threatening to cancel DACA is a bargaining chip to get Congress to approve funding for the Wall, which, of course, Mexico will have to pay back some day…somehow.

Using the DREAMers as a chip for DACA if true shows what an even bigger asshole he is. Fuck him and his goddamned fantasy of making us East Germany.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:12:05am

re: #449 Amory Blaine

Heh. Electrician RWNJ at work came at me in front of a bunch of other contractors blathering about antifa and some dumb shit about Clarke. I told him I can’t wait til I get my chance to punch a Nazi in the fucking face. Then I told him he was unamerican because he don’t like masks on antifa. I told him this is america and I’ll wear a fucking mask wherever the hell I want and if he don’t like it he should go to NK. He then said he’d rather go to Canada. So then I told him he wouldn’t like it up there with all the socialized medicine and worker rights. Heh.

You remind us of the rhetorical tailspin that sets in when the Nazi/antifa argument gets set loose. Which as Steve Bannon mentioned, is just fine, it distracts from Trump quietly dismantling social progress and government services.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:12:36am

re: #445 Eclectic Cyborg

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:12:39am

And then there’s this:

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JordanRules  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:13:21am

re: #437 HappyWarrior

Of course you can’t talk to them about it if you’re doing it too. That to me is a given but not nearly enough.

This is something I feel really strongly about and I handle it verrry delicately around here because I know it’s a sensitive issue. In a nutshell I am flabbergasted at how many folks just casually refer to their racist or bigot friend or family. Like, how is that okay? How are we ever going to get better if folks don’t demand better?

One of the bravest things I’ve seen this year is the Dad who disowned his son for being a Charlottesville Nazi. He’ll open his arms back up when he gives up on hate but he made a huge sacrifice. I have so much respect for that man affirming everyone’s humanity over his own son’s hate. Most cases aren’t that extreme but they can get there if good people do nothing.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:13:42am

re: #455 Eclectic Cyborg

And then there’s this:

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So fucking cruel.

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jaunte  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:14:42am
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Belafon  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:14:48am

re: #453 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

You remind us of the thetorical tailspin that sets in when the Nazi/antifa argument gets set loose. Which as Steve Bannon mentioned, is just fine, it distracts from Trump quietly dismantling social progress and government services.

Trump’s dismantling those programs even while we know about them. I don’t particularly care for the masks, but his actions haven’t been hidden.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:15:15am

re: #456 JordanRules

Of course you can’t talk to them about it if you’re doing it too. That to me is a given but not nearly enough.

This is something I feel really strongly about and I handle it verrry delicately around here because I know it’s a sensitive issue. In a nutshell I am flabbergasted at how many folks just casually refer to their racist or bigot friend or family. Like, how is that okay? How are we ever going to get better if folks don’t demand better?

One of the bravest things I’ve seen this year is the Dad who disowned his son for being a Charlottesville Nazi. He’ll open his arms back up when he gives up on hate but he made a huge sacrifice. I have so much respect for that man affirming everyone’s humanity over his own son’s hate. Most cases aren’t that extreme but they can get there if good people do nothing.

I can’t imagine how hard it was for that father though. BTW my other brother is the total opposite. He’s very much sensitive towards things like race. I’m hoping when he returns home he can teach the other one a thing or two.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:16:26am

re: #459 Belafon

Trump’s dismantling those programs even while we know about them. I don’t particularly care for the masks, but his actions haven’t been hidden.

Yeah that kind of stuff really isn’t being hidden. It may be being obscured but it’s not being hidden by any stretch. I hope the miners that love Trump enjoy working in unsafe mines regulated by people who could care less about safe mines.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:16:43am

re: #459 Belafon

Trump’s dismantling those programs even while we know about them. I don’t particularly care for the masks, but his actions haven’t been hidden.

agree, but we are too easily distracted by irrelevant arguments.

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Amory Blaine  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:17:12am

re: #453 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Some people aren’t interested in facts. I get down in the mud with these individuals.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:18:37am
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Dragonomics  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:18:45am

re: #458 jaunte

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Amory Blaine  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:18:54am

I’m not in favor of masks either. That doesn’t matter. What matters is getting the rhetorical upper hand with these people. If I agreed with the masks with him, that would give him carte blanch to swing from antifa all the way down to MLK.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:19:12am

re: #464 Backwoods_Sleuth

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jaunte  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:19:44am

re: #465 Dragonomics

I think he’s excited about the size of the hurricane.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:20:09am
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BeachDem  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:20:10am

re: #354 HappyWarrior

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jaunte  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:20:33am

Biggest ever on my watch! Woot!

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JordanRules  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:21:16am

re: #442 Stanley Sea

Wow! What a great read. Thank you for sharing. I’ll definitely be passing that along.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:21:18am

re: #470 BeachDem

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ObserverArt  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:21:22am

re: #464 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I was in the National Cathedral many years ago. I didn’t know it had stained glass with Confederate Generals. WTF? What did they have to do with Christianity and a National church for ALL Americans anyway?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:22:14am

re: #474 ObserverArt

I was in the National Cathedral many years ago. I didn’t know it had stained glass with Confederate Generals. WTF? What did they have to do with Christianity and a National church for ALL Americans anyway?

They were both “devout Christians”.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:22:28am

re: #474 ObserverArt

I was in the National Cathedral many years ago. I didn’t know it had stained glass with Confederate Generals. WTF? What did they have to do with Christianity and a National church for ALL Americans anyway?

Yeah I don’t get it either. Jackson was I think a Sunday School teacher but okay Stalin was also an Orthodox seminarian.

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Renaissance_Man  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:22:47am

re: #312 HappyWarrior

Kelly is a coward.

By that report, he is also for all intents and purposes the president.

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electrotek  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:24:05am

I’m having a hard time responding to this comment on my FB post without cursing her out:

If Obama didn’t cut corners and actually tried to work with Congress and pass laws without executive order, this wouldn’t be happening. I hate when people blame a previous president but this is Obama’s fault. He couldn’t work with Congress, made his own rules.

How to respond to this without coming across as emotional here? *scratches head*

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:24:53am
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ObserverArt  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:24:56am

re: #469 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yesterday the colors in Irma were bad enough, all dark reds. Now it appears some are so dark they are black. Damn. Two weeks ago Texas gets hit with a unique hurricane and now it is looking like Florida could be hit with another.

For those that ask God to send a sign…I think a sign is being sent. It’s called Climate Change and Mom Nature is pissed off and giving a demo. Are we listening?

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Amory Blaine  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:25:16am

I’d tell her to delete her account and go read a fucking book before it’s too late. :)

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:26:09am

re: #478 electrotek

I’m having a hard time responding to this comment on my FB post without cursing her out:

How to respond to this without coming across as emotional here? *scratches head*

Point out that the Republican Congress had no desire to work with Obama at all on immigration. Point out that even if Obama was wrong to do the EO, people shouldn’t be punished because of that. And I’d point out how two faced Republicans like Rubio are on immigratio nreform too.

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JordanRules  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:26:42am

re: #460 HappyWarrior

Has to be extremely hard for him. Now imagine how hard it is to be the one attacked by his son or by the police or by other racists. Imagine every day knowing we have a white supremacist regime and Nazis in positions of power when you’re one of their targets. Imagine Tamir Rice’s and Trayvon Martin’s Moms.

We all have to work at this if we are to push the moral arc of the universe forward.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:26:58am

re: #479 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I said it yesterday but this guy needs to be considered for AG. He is the anti-Sessions.

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jaunte  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:27:24am

Today in Dallas, the Lost Cause is having another in their infinite series of Last Stands.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:27:58am

re: #483 JordanRules

Has to be extremely hard for him. Now imagine how hard it is to be the one attacked by his son or by the police or by other racists. Imagine every day knowing we have a white supremacist regime and Nazis in positions of power when you’re one of their targets. Imagine Tamir Rice’s and Trayvon Martin’s Moms.

We all have to work at this if we are to push the moral arc of the universe forward.

Yep. The way I look at is we have to confront bigotry. If people call us SJWs or overly PC, don’t mind it, call it out.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:28:24am

re: #485 jaunte

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Today in Dallas, the Lost Cause is having another in their infinite series of Last Stands.

Did Robert E. Lee even ever step foot in Dallas?

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:28:48am

Also, Tropical Depression 13 has become Tropical Storm Katia

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jaunte  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:29:17am

re: #487 HappyWarrior

I think a lot of the former confederates and their descendants ended up scattered across North Texas.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:29:38am

re: #474 ObserverArt

I was in the National Cathedral many years ago. I didn’t know it had stained glass with Confederate Generals. WTF? What did they have to do with Christianity and a National church for ALL Americans anyway?

Yeah, it’s pretty weird, especially considering how liberal the Episcopal Church leadership is now.*

Not sure the whole story of how those windows came to be there, but one possible explanation is that the Anglican/Episcopal Church in America was largely centered in the South before the Civil War, so way back when there would have been sympathy for the Lost Cause in the church. I also seem to recall that those windows were sponsored by or donated by the Daughters of the Confederacy or some such group.

*I’ve been an Episcopalian for about the last 10 years.

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Amory Blaine  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:29:39am

Let a subordinate go home early today as she wad distraught that her man is in Dominican Republic and wanted to wire money for an evac. She’s back and feels all better.

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EPR-radar  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:29:56am

re: #478 electrotek

Just ask her how President Obama could have possibly worked with that GOP congress. It was obviously impossible.

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JordanRules  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:30:12am

re: #486 HappyWarrior

Exactly! Call it out!

Knowing you from here, I really do think you’ll be able to help him see the light per se. You both deserve for him to do better. :)

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:30:56am

re: #489 jaunte

I think a lot of the former confederates and their descendants ended up scattered across North Texas.

Oh I know and Texas was a CSA state. Anyhow. I love how it’s “heritage” for them them but somehow Robert E. Lee’s direct descendant’s words don’t matter to them. We needed to get over the Civil War years ago. the CSA lost and any proud American should rejoice in that but I see a lot of Americans who say our “downfall” began with Lincoln. Yes, I erally do see that.

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ObserverArt  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:31:15am

re: #485 jaunte

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Today in Dallas, the Lost Cause is having another in their infinite series of Last Stands.

Are they praying to a false god?

“I pray to thee Robert E. Lee…save us from these leftys and tell them to let us racists be!”

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:31:18am

re: #491 Amory Blaine

Let a subordinate go home early today as she wad distraught that her man is in Dominican Republic and wanted to wire money for an evac. She’s back and feels all better.

Hope all goes well. Scary times.

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:31:45am

re: #473 HappyWarrior

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Sir John Barron  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:32:48am

re: #492 EPR-radar

Just ask her how President Obama could have possibly worked with that GOP congress? It was obviously impossible.

The same GOP congress that voted unanimously against the economic relief package and the ACA and just about everything else and that publicized their desire to make Obama a one-term president? That GOP congress?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:32:58am

re: #493 JordanRules

Exactly! Call it out!

Knowing you from here, I really do think you’ll be able to help him see the light per se. You both deserve for him to do better. :)

I love him obviously. He’s my brother and I really don’t see him as bigoted but I am trying to get him to be more empathetic and more understanding. Our other brother as I said gets it. He’s been a witness to racism and he’s passionate about fighting how indigenous people are treated not just here in the States but around the world.

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jaunte  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:33:19am

re: #494 HappyWarrior

Oh I know and Texas was a CSA state. Anyhow. I love how it’s “heritage” for them them but somehow Robert E. Lee’s direct descendant’s words don’t matter to them. We needed to get over the Civil War years ago. the CSA lost and any proud American should rejoice in that but I see a lot of Americans who say our “downfall” began with Lincoln. Yes, I erally do see that.

It’s odd that more of them don’t feel annoyed by the deliberate emotional manipulation that they’ve been subject to.

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Amory Blaine  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:33:51am

re: #489 jaunte

I think a lot of the former confederates and their descendants ended up scattered across North Texas.

They’ve infected every state with their filth.

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jaunte  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:34:21am

re: #501 Amory Blaine

Sure, not exclusive to North Texas.

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lizardofid  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:35:45am

re: #485 jaunte

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Today in Dallas, the Lost Cause is having another in their infinite series of Last Stands.

My main connection with Lee Park is that in the late 60’s and early 70’s it represented the “best last chance” spot to score grass during the driest of times.

Can’t say I even knew there was a statue.

; )

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:35:52am

re: #497 Flying Squirrel Girl

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:36:45am

re: #500 jaunte

It’s odd that more of them don’t feel annoyed by the deliberate emotional manipulation that they’ve been subject to.

I always felt it was a tragedy taht the poor white farmers of the South didn’t realize their common ground with the Blacks and team up. There were small movements like that but they never lasted too long. The Readjuster movement here in Va history is something we never learn about in school.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:37:40am

re: #501 Amory Blaine

They’ve infected every state with their filth.

It’s always so weird for me as a Virginian to see CSA flags and memorials in Union states. Me? I’ve always been proud to be a descendant of an Army of the Potomac veteran. I’ve even thought about applying for membership in a Union descendant group.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:39:28am

re: #505 HappyWarrior

I always felt it was a tragedy taht the poor white farmers of the South didn’t realize their common ground with the Blacks and team up. There were small movements like that but they never lasted too long. The Readjuster movement here in Va history is something we never learn about in school.

Because the trick of the ruling classes is to play the poorer classes off against each other. Works like a charm: look at what England did with its Irish and Ulster Protestants…

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:39:28am
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makeitstop  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:40:17am

Public Citizen looks at the maze that is Trump’s business structure.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:40:37am

Call me a bad American but while I’ll always see myself as an American, I’m really starting to see myself more as a citizen of the world type. My SiL is from Peru. I have cousins with dual Brit/American citizenship. And I have other cousins who I’ve gotten to know who still live where my family emigrated from in Europe.

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stpaulbear  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:40:49am

re: #407 lawhawk

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Yeah, someone cue the bible thumpers who say that storm X hitting Y is proof that the people there are wicked/evil and need to change their evil ways.

Someone will just post a ‘before’ picture of Trump’s place and say that it was miraculously spared by Irma. 4 million morons will retweet it as a true fact.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:41:23am

re: #507 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Because the trick of the ruling classes is to play the poorer classes off against each other. Works like a charm: look at what England did with its Irish and Ulster Protestants…

Oh believe me, I know it. And you’re right. That is what happened in Ulster. “Sure, you’re a poor farmer but at least you’re not a Papist tenant.”

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Amory Blaine  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:41:37am

re: #507 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Look what its doing to the WWC lashing out at everyone around them.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:42:10am

re: #510 HappyWarrior

Call me a bad American but while I’ll always see myself as an American, I’m really starting to see myself more as a citizen of the world type. My SiL is from Peru. I have cousins with dual Brit/American citizenship. And I have other cousins who I’ve gotten to know who still live where my family emigrated from in Europe.

That is my motto: “World citizen of American origin”. Proud of the latter but not the point of being bigoted or chauvinistic about it.

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JordanRules  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:43:46am

re: #514 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I love that phrasing! Stolen!

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:44:16am

re: #514 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That is my motto: “World citizen of American origin”. Proud of the latter but not the point of being bigoted or chauvinistic about it.

Exactly, I’m no better than anyone from happening to be born here. Proud to be American but I’m proud of a lot of other things too.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:46:49am

re: #513 Amory Blaine

Look what its doing to the WWC lashing out at everyone around them.

NO doubt you’ve seen the LBJ quote. I don’t think any politician in the 20th century had a better understanding of voter psychology than LBJ.

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BeachDem  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:48:20am

re: #473 HappyWarrior

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Decatur Deb  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:50:16am

re: #487 HappyWarrior

Did Robert E. Lee even ever step foot in Dallas?

Possibly, if it was a staging area for the Mexican War.

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Shropshire Slasher  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:51:02am

Dammit, there is a hurricane outside and I left my car’s trunk open…

mirror.co.uk

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:51:12am

re: #518 BeachDem

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wrenchwench  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:52:34am

I listened to some of this last night:

It was such a weird feeling towards the end to have John Le Carré commenting on current events. So appropriate, it was almost comforting, yet horrifying at the same time.

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JordanRules  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:54:15am
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nines09  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:54:55am
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BeachDem  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:55:54am

re: #478 electrotek

I’m having a hard time responding to this comment on my FB post without cursing her out:

How to respond to this without coming across as emotional here? *scratches head*

Read her these two quotes from 2010:

Here’s John Boehner, the likely speaker if Republicans take the House, offering his plans for Obama’s agenda: “We’re going to do everything — and I mean everything we can do — to kill it, stop it, slow it down, whatever we can.”

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell summed up his plan to National Journal: “The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.”

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mmmirele  Sep 6, 2017 • 9:57:36am

re: #485 jaunte

They’re praying around that statue, aren’t they?

Jesus save us from your professional followers.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:03:25am

re: #510 HappyWarrior

Call me a bad American but while I’ll always see myself as an American, I’m really starting to see myself more as a citizen of the world type. My SiL is from Peru. I have cousins with dual Brit/American citizenship. And I have other cousins who I’ve gotten to know who still live where my family emigrated from in Europe.

My son lives in Canada and his children are Canadian. My daughter lives in Israel and her kids are Israeli. Three of my kids are dual Israeli-Americans. One of my sons married a Russian and one married an Australian. My youngest daughter married a Brit.

We are global!

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:04:38am

re: #527 The Vicious Babushka

My son lives in Canada and his children are Canadian. My daughter lives in Israel and her kids are Israeli. Two of my kids are dual Israeli-Americans. One of my sons married a Russian and one married an Australian. My youngest daughter married a Brit.

We are global!

You have such a lovely family. It really is cool how they have all that.

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:07:16am
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lawhawk  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:10:20am
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JordanRules  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:11:07am

Still waiting for Barbuda update.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:11:16am

ummmmmm

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:12:09am

re: #530 lawhawk

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Who were the theee nays?

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BeachDem  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:12:36am

Heh

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:12:55am

re: #529 Ace-o-aces

I was wondering how Rush would react to Al Roker calling him out, so I went to check his Twitter. Last tweet from the fat man was April 2016. Way to stay on top of the evolving media landscape there Rush.

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Amory Blaine  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:12:56am

He doesn’t care. When he drops turds like that liberals have to fall all over themselves providing data and facts that his base will ignore anyways. And no one but the base believes anything that comes out of his fat fucking piehole.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:13:38am

We’re at state of thing where glad to see the President using one of the less expensive 757 (C-32) aircraft available to him.
Reality is that they’re likely using it because it has better short field characteristics needed Bismark Airport.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:13:53am

re: #529 Ace-o-aces

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Weaselone  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:14:17am

re: #529 Ace-o-aces

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I think Al could have stopped after “do not listen to @rushlimbaugh”.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:14:31am

re: #530 lawhawk

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my congresscritter Massie was one of the “nays”.
Other two were Amash (Mich) and Biggs (Az)

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Amory Blaine  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:14:38am

re: #530 lawhawk

Flies right through for red states..

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BeachDem  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:16:09am

re: #530 lawhawk

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The nays:

Thomas Massie (R-Ky.)
Justin Amash (R-Mich.)
Andy Biggs (R-Ariz.)

(Sleuth—you must be so proud)/

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Dr. Matt  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:16:14am

re: #530 lawhawk

JUST IN: House passes bill to provide $7.85 billion in emergency funding for Harvey recovery by vote of 419-3 pic.twitter.com

— NBC News (@NBCNews) September 6, 2017

Let me guess, Rand Paul was 1 of the 3 fucktards?

edit: Never mind. Brain fart.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:16:40am

Lre: #540 Backwoods_Sleuth

my congresscritter Massie was one of the “nays”.
Other two were Amash (Mich) and Biggs (Az)

Not shocked at either as Amash and Massie from the Ron Paul School of fuck y’all. Don’t know Biggs tho.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:17:00am

re: #543 Dr. Matt

Let me guess, Rand Paul was 1 of the 3 fucktards?

He’s not in the House.

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Danack  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:17:28am

re: #7 austin_blue

Underneath that circulation is a 35’ tall bubble of water that she is dragging with her until she hits land.

Light blue areas are between 5m-10m above sea level.
Darker blue areas, that aren’t currently ocean, are less than 5m above sea level.

Florida height map
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Dr. Matt  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:17:48am

re: #545 HappyWarrior

He’s not in the House.

Refresh my comment. I made an edit. Had a momentary brain fart.

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unproven innocence  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:17:52am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:18:20am

re: #547 Dr. Matt

Refresh my comment. I made an edit. Had a momentary brain fart.

No worries.

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BeachDem  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:18:28am

re: #537 FormerDirtDart

We’re at state of thing where glad to see the President using one of the less expensive 757 (C-32) aircraft available to him.
Reality is that they’re likely using it because it has better short field characteristics needed Bismark Airport.

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Remember, Heidi Heitkamp is flying with him. Nothing good can come of that.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:19:13am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:20:45am

re: #551 FormerDirtDart

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Watt’s a great guy. Glad to have his younger brother on the Steelers.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:21:50am

Amash and Massey are again showing why the Ron Paul model of goverance should neve rhappen here.

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Amory Blaine  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:23:03am

At one of my dinner parties a couple weeks back I told the wingnuts with the vapors for Lee statues that I’d like to see them melted down into beautiful toilets for public (trans) bathrooms.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:24:03am

re: #554 Amory Blaine

At one of my dinner parties a couple weeks back I told the wingnuts with the vapors for Lee statues that I’d like to see them melted down into beautiful toilets for public (trans) bathrooms.

You rule dude.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:25:54am

re: #532 Backwoods_Sleuth

ummmmmm

Senate staff: Do we have to go?

/

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Amory Blaine  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:26:47am

Heh. I suspect my circle is closing in on a dot. But I’ve had it in my old age. I don’t need to waste my energy defending principles. Its much more satisfying to go for the throat and take it from there.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:27:50am

re: #557 Amory Blaine

Heh. I suspect my circle is closing in on a dot. But I’ve had it in my old age. I don’t need to waste my energy defending principles. Its much more satisfying to go for the throat and take it from there.

No doubt you’ve seen me say I want NRO’s office space turned into a newspaper for LGBT minorities.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:27:56am

re: #540 Backwoods_Sleuth

my congresscritter Massie was one of the “nays”.
Other two were Amash (Mich) and Biggs (Az)

Sure, I can be just one of 435 members of the House, or I can get noticed. When people later ask who were the three members who voted “nah”, they’ll have to say my name.

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Amory Blaine  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:28:38am

Anyone know about any marches going on maybe in Ryan’s district or SE Wisconsin in general?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:29:53am

re: #559 Sir John Barron

Sure, I can be just one of 435 members of the House, or I can get noticed. When people later ask who were the three members who voted “nah”, they’ll have to say my name.

I really think Massey and Amash are that big dicks. Again why the paleolibertarian world view sucks monkey balls.

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lawhawk  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:32:23am

From Dr. Masters’ blog:

None of our reliable models bring Irma any further west than the Florida Panhandle, so the chance of Irma moving deeply into the central or western Gulf is increasingly remote. A track that curves north and stays just east of Florida is also possible; such a track could still bring Irma into the East Coast at a point further north early next week. Figures 6, 7 and 8 below show the range of possibilities in ensemble model guidance from Tuesday night (ensemble models include a number of parallel forecasts that reflect the uncertainty in a given weather situation).

In short, computer guidance is in strong agreement that Irma will make at least one landfall somewhere from Florida to North Carolina during the weekend or early next week. The official NHC forecast track as of 11 am Wednesday brings Irma from near Miami to near Daytona Beach from Sunday morning to Monday morning. The 12Z Tuesday run of the GFS model predicts that Irma will hit Miami on Sunday afternoon, then make a second landfall near the Georgia/South Carolina border on Monday afternoon, with both landfalls occurring with at least Category 4 strength.

Emphasis added is mine.

Typically, a storm that makes landfall will see significant weakening due to the interaction with land causing shear and weakening of the inflow/outflow into the eye of the storm. That it’s going to likely retain Cat 4 strength with not one but two landfalls on the East Coast of Florida into GA/SC shows just how dangerous this storm is.

Then there’s the storm surge and the massive amount of water that the storm is pushing ahead of it - 15-20 feet storm surges predicted in coming days as the storm barrels through the Bahamas.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:32:32am

re: #534 BeachDem

Heh

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“President Kelly”.

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lawhawk  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:35:40am
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lawhawk  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:36:58am
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ObserverArt  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:37:15am

re: #552 HappyWarrior

Watt’s a great guy. Glad to have his younger brother on the Steelers.

You said Steelers. Grrrrrr.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:39:16am

re: #561 HappyWarrior

I really think Massey and Amash are that big dicks. Again why the paleolibertarian world view sucks monkey balls.

I have noticed that Amash will go against Drumpf and the GOP line from time to time. I guess that’s his Libertarianism, which I wouldn’t want to live under generally, but which does occasionally sound commendable.

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jaunte  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:40:14am

re: #537 FormerDirtDart

We’re at state of thing where glad to see the President using one of the less expensive 757 (C-32) aircraft available to him.
Reality is that they’re likely using it because it has better short field characteristics needed Bismark Airport.

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In the midst of a double hurricane crisis, the president* is spending time working on a tax reduction for himself.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:40:28am

re: #566 ObserverArt

You said Steelers. Grrrrrr.

Can take the family out of Pittsburgh but can’t take the Pittsburgh out of the family.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:40:50am

re: #568 jaunte

In the midst of a double hurricane crisis, the president* is spending time working on a tax reduction for himself.

“Today was the day when Trump became Pr….”

/

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SteelPH  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:41:20am

re: #569 HappyWarrior

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b.d. (bill d.)  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:42:16am

re: #564 lawhawk

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raise debt limit through Dec. 15

whew! glad were done talking about that for a while!

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lawhawk  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:43:28am
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makeitstop  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:43:49am

And just in case we don’t have enough on our plates today…

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Sir John Barron  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:45:06am

re: #573 lawhawk

The worst negotiators in history (otherwise known as Republicans) have just offered to suspend debt ceiling for four months. Pathetic!

— Donald J. Trump

Trump didn’t understand the meaning of words back then either.

/

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:46:07am
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Sir John Barron  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:46:59am

re: #576 FormerDirtDart

Steve King:
I will not be IGNORED!

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Belafon  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:47:41am

Get a load of this crap:

House Intelligence Chairman Devin Nunes lashed out at Attorney General Jeff Sessions last week in a letter where he threatened Sessions with a public grilling if he doesn’t produce documents about the Russia dossier to the House intelligence committee.

Nunes, who despite stepping aside from directing the House Russia investigation has been leading his own separate investigation, accused Sessions and the FBI of stonewalling him repeatedly in a September 1 letter obtained by CNN. In the letter, he threatened to drag Sessions and FBI Director Christopher Wray before the committee for a public grilling and hold them in contempt of Congress — a jailable offense — if they don’t hand over the documents.

The House intelligence committee issued a pair of subpoenas last month seeking documentation of whether the FBI or Justice Department used material from the dossier compiled by former British intelligence agent Christopher Steele as part of the federal investigation into possible collusion between the campaign of President Donald Trump and the Kremlin. Nunes also writes that he subpoenaed to discover whether information from the Russia dossier was used in the crafting of applications to conduct surveillance under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.

In the letter, which was signed only by Nunes and no other members of the House intelligence committee, Nunes explained that he was extending the deadline for responding to the subpoenas to September 14. But he capped it off with a sharp threat.

So, the guy who’s recused from the investigation is threatening the guy who is recused from the investigation. As someone said at Daily Kos, he’s doing this to find out what Meuller is up to so he can report it to the White House.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:48:12am

re: #576 FormerDirtDart

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They didn’t come here to live in the shadows you stupid hick. They serve in the military that you never did. They sacrifice in ways you never will. They love our country unlike you.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:48:36am

re: #577 Sir John Barron

Steve King:
I will not be IGNORED!

Worse than Gohmert, no joke.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:48:53am

re: #573 lawhawk

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Why would the dems only want a 3 month extension?

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Sir John Barron  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:49:02am

re: #578 Belafon

Get a load of this crap:

So, the guy who’s recused from the investigation is threatening the guy who is recused from the investigation. As someone said at Daily Kos, he’s doing this to find out what Meuller is up to so he can report it to the White House.

Wouldn’t Sessions just tell the WH what it knows about Mueller?

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:49:08am
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makeitstop  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:49:50am

re: #581 b.d. (bill d.)

Why would the dems only want a 3 month extension?

I’m wondering what they got back from Trump.

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BeachDem  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:51:01am

re: #564 lawhawk

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ObserverArt  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:51:02am

re: #578 Belafon

Get a load of this crap:

So, the guy who’s recused from the investigation is threatening the guy who is recused from the investigation. As someone said at Daily Kos, he’s doing this to find out what Meuller is up to so he can report it to the White House.

I hope Devin Nunes get’s fried in this whole investigation. He’s up to no good and seems to be operating on his own. How the hell does this happen? I can’t think of anything like this ever in DC politics.

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makeitstop  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:51:09am

re: #583 FormerDirtDart

White Christians are now a minority of the U.S. population, survey says

Let the persecution begin! Heh.

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Belafon  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:51:35am

re: #582 Sir John Barron

Wouldn’t Sessions just tell the WH what it knows about Mueller?

The thinking goes that by threatening Sessions, Sessions will be forced to reengage in the investigation. The problem is, Nunes really can’t arrest administration officials due to separation of powers.

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makeitstop  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:52:18am

re: #585 BeachDem

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I guess that answers my question! I love Pelosi.

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Shropshire Slasher  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:52:22am

re: #535 Ace-o-aces

I was wondering how Rush would react to Al Roker calling him out, so I went to check his Twitter. Last tweet from the fat man was April 2016. Way to stay on top of the evolving media landscape there Rush.

Rush just mentioned the interview Roker gave about crapping his pants.

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Kragar  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:53:07am
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Sir John Barron  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:55:38am

re: #585 BeachDem

House Dem aide on this news: “This is why we didn’t get rid of Pelosi. Went into their stadium and kicked their asses up and down the field”
— Jeff Stein

Not sure why a Dem aide would say this. Especially if they have to revisit the issue in three months.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:55:54am

re: #585 BeachDem

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You mean the hated establishment may actually know what tehy’re doing? //

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:55:54am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:56:35am

re: #594 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Aww he’s got his balls in a vase since he’s not using a stupid nickname here.

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Kragar  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:57:00am
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makeitstop  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:57:17am

On that Nunes subpoena…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:57:36am
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Belafon  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:58:35am

re: #597 makeitstop

On that Nunes subpoena…

Since he’s recused, this is technically coming from the Nunes committee, which he’s the only member.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 10:58:45am

re: #596 Kragar

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He wouldn’t be eligible for DACA but because he lucked out of his mommy’s vagina here in the US.

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stpaulbear  Sep 6, 2017 • 11:00:07am

re: #583 FormerDirtDart

PBS NewsHour ✔ @NewsHour
White Christians are now a minority of the U.S. population, survey says to.pbs.org

How odd that I’m an old white guy who’s now a part of the new majority. :)

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makeitstop  Sep 6, 2017 • 11:00:13am

re: #599 Belafon

Since he’s recused, this is technically coming from the Nunes committee, which he’s the only member.

I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if he offered that as a justification, TBH.

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jaunte  Sep 6, 2017 • 11:01:24am

“careened”

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makeitstop  Sep 6, 2017 • 11:01:47am

re: #595 HappyWarrior

Aww he’s got his balls in a vase since he’s not using a stupid nickname here.

Indeed. No ‘Cryin’ Chuck’ today. He got hosed.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 11:02:03am

re: #603 jaunte

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“careened”

Can Ivanka stay the fuck out of the Oval Office, please? So sick of her.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 11:02:25am

re: #604 makeitstop

Indeed. No ‘Cryin’ Chuck’ today. He got hosed.

He’s so precious when he’s got his balls cut.

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jaunte  Sep 6, 2017 • 11:03:03am

re: #605 HappyWarrior

Ivanka Penetrates Kelly’s Prevent Defense.

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freetoken  Sep 6, 2017 • 11:04:09am

re: #603 jaunte

Ivanka clearly knows she has to check on her father constantly during the day.

Yet the Republicans refuse to accept that Trump is not competent.

Even when Trump just gives in the minority party for who knows what reason - maybe he got hungry and wanted to go to KFC? - the GOP won’t do anything.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 11:04:15am

re: #607 jaunte

Ivanka Penetrates Kelly’s Prevent Defense.

Ivanka reminds me of those Central Asian dictatorship daughters who have no qualifications outside being the apple of strongman’s eye.

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BeachDem  Sep 6, 2017 • 11:04:22am

re: #580 HappyWarrior

Worse than Gohmert, no joke.

Steve King might well be the most despicable Republican lifeform—and it was a hard-fought battle.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 11:04:59am

re: #610 BeachDem

Steve King might well be the most despicable Republican lifeform—and it was a hard-fought battle.

If I ever met him, it would be hard not to want to punch him in the face. He’s such a pathetic bigot.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 6, 2017 • 11:06:08am

re: #595 HappyWarrior

Aww he’s got his balls in a vase since he’s not using a stupid nickname here.

PIVOT!

/

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jaunte  Sep 6, 2017 • 11:07:34am

Scramble!

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ObserverArt  Sep 6, 2017 • 11:08:40am

re: #605 HappyWarrior

Can Ivanka stay the fuck out of the Oval Office, please? So sick of her.

Awww. she just wanted to sit on daddy’s lap like in the old days.

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MsJ  Sep 6, 2017 • 11:09:38am

I thought this was promising until I read the story.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 6, 2017 • 11:10:08am

re: #597 makeitstop

Doesn’t subpoena from a committee have to be voted on by the committee? I don’t Think Nunes can subpoena anything without a committee vote

Blah blah blah ‘new rules’ blah blah blah

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jaunte  Sep 6, 2017 • 11:10:35am

re: #615 MsJ

Nunes might as well have a neon “White House Mole” sign floating over his head.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 11:11:02am

re: #615 MsJ

I thought this was promising until I read the story.

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Nunes trying to save his own ass? He was part of the transition team.

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ObserverArt  Sep 6, 2017 • 11:11:29am

re: #610 BeachDem

Steve King might well be the most despicable Republican lifeform—and it was a hard-fought battle.

This Steve King…dressed in his favorite duds.

I’m not trying to ‘cause a big s-s-sensation…
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makeitstop  Sep 6, 2017 • 11:12:30am

re: #618 HappyWarrior

Nunes trying to save his own ass? He was part of the transition team.

He does behave like a guilty man, doesn’t he?

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austin_blue  Sep 6, 2017 • 11:15:09am

re: #620 makeitstop

He does behave like a guilty man, doesn’t he?

Or someone who’s up to his ass in alligators and doesn’t know how to get out of the swamp. Dead politician walking.

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jaunte  Sep 6, 2017 • 11:15:15am
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ObserverArt  Sep 6, 2017 • 11:15:57am

re: #620 makeitstop

He does behave like a guilty man, doesn’t he?

Everyone in DC seems to know he is dirty and yet he goes on. Something very strange indeed is going on with Nunes.

And I bet that other GOP creep in California, Rohrabacher, knows what it is.

624
jaunte  Sep 6, 2017 • 11:15:59am

“I tried to subpoena them, boss, but the committee wouldn’t let me!”

625
makeitstop  Sep 6, 2017 • 11:16:01am

re: #608 freetoken

Even when Trump just gives in the minority party for who knows what reason - maybe he got hungry and wanted to go to KFC? - the GOP won’t do anything.

He had a plane to catch.
/

626
HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 11:16:44am

re: #620 makeitstop

He does behave like a guilty man, doesn’t he?

Something’s up.

627
Dr Lizardo  Sep 6, 2017 • 11:18:02am

re: #625 makeitstop

He had a plane to catch.
/

I just wandered over to Freeperville, and nothing. Nada. Maybe it’s just too new a story, but then again, they’re usually right on it when something happens.

Maybe they haven’t figured out how to spin it yet.

628
Decatur Deb  Sep 6, 2017 • 11:18:33am

re: #569 HappyWarrior

Can take the family out of Pittsburgh but can’t take the Pittsburgh out of the family.

Baja Alabama has a Stillers bar.

629
freetoken  Sep 6, 2017 • 11:18:43am

re: #627 Dr Lizardo

There’s no way to spin it other than Trump can’t hold his concentration long enough.

630
makeitstop  Sep 6, 2017 • 11:18:43am

Fed Vice-Chair Resigns

Federal Reserve Vice Chairman Stanley Fischer will resign next month for personal reasons, leaving a fourth vacancy on the seven-member Fed governing board.

Fischer is a widely-respected economist who taught at MIT and was head of the Bank of Israel for eight years. His unexpected departure adds to a leadership vacuum at the top of the Fed as it navigates a difficult path. Fischer, 73, is a close confidant of Fed Chair Janet Yellen, whose own term ends in February

The U.S. central bank is slowly raising interest rates as the economy grows and unemployment falls. Yet inflation remains below the Fed’s target, complicating its future course.

Fischer has been a member of the Fed’s Board of Governors since May 2014. His term as vice chairman was set to expire next June. In a letter to President Donald Trump , he said his resignation would occur on or around Oct. 13.

631
Dr Lizardo  Sep 6, 2017 • 11:19:18am

Now this here is one of those stories where the headline will make you do a double-take.

radio.cz

LOLOL

632
jaunte  Sep 6, 2017 • 11:19:24am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 11:21:03am

re: #628 Decatur Deb

Baja Alabama has a Stillers bar.

My cousin married a Pittsburgh gal and his daughter married a Pittsburgh guy. People wonder why there’s so many Stillers fans, it’s because like Hsnk Snow, we’ve been everywhere man.

634
MsJ  Sep 6, 2017 • 11:22:15am

re: #434 HappyWarrior

I’d have to look at the issue more before I decide who’s right and who’s wrong. As usual, I’m sure Sanders may have his heart in the right place but like you I do worry if eh really understands the issue.

Assumption. Not in evidence.

635
Charles Johnson  Sep 6, 2017 • 11:22:28am
636
ObserverArt  Sep 6, 2017 • 11:22:47am

re: #628 Decatur Deb

Baja Alabama has a Stillers bar.

Is it called “The Bandwagon Inn?”

We have those in Columbus. Got Penguins fans in there too.

637
FormerDirtDart  Sep 6, 2017 • 11:26:29am
638
wrenchwench  Sep 6, 2017 • 11:27:04am

re: #631 Dr Lizardo

Now this here is one of those stories where the headline will make you do a double-take.

radio.cz

LOLOL

Just for that…

639
HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 11:27:13am

re: #634 MsJ

Assumption. Not in evidence.

I am not as cynical as you are about him. I think he’s well intentioned but very egocentric and not as savvy as he thinks.

640
Decatur Deb  Sep 6, 2017 • 11:27:16am

re: #636 ObserverArt

Is it called “The Bandwagon Inn?”

We have those in Columbus. Got Penguins fans in there too.

Nope, another chain—Beef O’Brady’s.

641
Amory Blaine  Sep 6, 2017 • 11:27:40am

re: #635 Charles Johnson

Is it good? I haven’t watched any since the circus.

642
HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 11:28:18am

re: #636 ObserverArt

Is it called “The Bandwagon Inn?”

We have those in Columbus. Got Penguins fans in there too.

Don’t hate.

643
HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 11:28:59am

re: #637 FormerDirtDart

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Gah he’s frustrating.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 6, 2017 • 11:29:09am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 6, 2017 • 11:30:44am

re: #644 FormerDirtDart

The U.S. is on track to record the second-lowest crime levels since 1990, according to a new report

Because all those illegals are afraid of getting caught and deported!!!

/

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jaunte  Sep 6, 2017 • 11:31:11am
647
Single-handed sailor  Sep 6, 2017 • 11:31:17am

re: #638 wrenchwench

Just for that…

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Everytime I hear dik dik I think of this.

Robert Palmer - Addicted To Love

648
HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 11:31:54am

re: #646 jaunte

[Embedded content]

My Lord, taht thing is ugly. Belongs in the Soviet Union or North Korea.

649
jaunte  Sep 6, 2017 • 11:32:19am

re: #648 HappyWarrior

“Gold-tone metal”

650
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 6, 2017 • 11:33:24am

re: #649 jaunte

“Gold-tone metal”

Time to get America back on the gold-tone standard!!!

651
Amory Blaine  Sep 6, 2017 • 11:33:46am

Genuine gold-like quality you can feel.

652
HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 11:33:48am

re: #649 jaunte

“Gold-tone metal”

Anyone who’s dumb enough to pay 45 bucks for that is fucking stupid.

653
HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 11:34:07am

re: #650 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Time to get America back on the gold-tone standard!!!

That would be the Ron Paul coin.

654
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 6, 2017 • 11:35:53am

re: #652 HappyWarrior

Anyone who’s dumb enough to pay 45 bucks for that is fucking stupid.

I am wondering how many Yuan it costs to produce…

655
makeitstop  Sep 6, 2017 • 11:36:26am

In other news, half of one of New York’s most popular sports radio duos was arrested this morning and charged with fraud.

Craig Carton, co-host of the popular WFAN sports talk radio show “Boomer and Carton,” was arrested Wednesday and charged with multiple counts of wire and securities fraud for allegedly running a “Ponzi-like” ticket scheme with millions in investors funds.

Carton, 48, was arrested early Wednesday along with 41-year-old alleged co-conspirator Michael Wright, according to a joint statement from the FBI and the Manhattan U.S. Attorney.

The men allegedly ran an elaborate ticket scam by creating fake companies to negotiate the re-sale of entertainment tickets. They then allegedly used investors funds to pay off personal debts, officials said.

According to the criminal complaint, Carton and Wright allegedly began the scheme in 2016, after Carton “accrued millions of dollars’ worth of gambling-related debts.”

I’m not shedding a tear for this guy. He’s pretty much the poster boy for Sports Radio Assholes.

656
ObserverArt  Sep 6, 2017 • 11:37:16am

re: #642 HappyWarrior

Don’t hate.

You don’t live three hours from the ‘burgh and have to put up with the loudmouth Steelers and Penguins fans. And they can be very obnoxious, especially with a few beers in them.

A bunch of Penguins fans got tossed out of Nationwide Arena last year for starting fights in the stands with Blue Jacket fans.

I know they are successful, their fans don’t have to be asses about it.

657
HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 11:40:25am

re: #656 ObserverArt

You don’t live three hours from the ‘burgh and have to put up with the loudmouth Steelers and Penguins fans. And they can be very obnoxious, especially with a few beers in them.

A bunch of Penguins fans got tossed out of Nationwide Arena last year for starting fights in the stands with Blue Jacket fans.

I know they are successful, their fans don’t have to be asses about it.

Heh I’m just busting your balls. I know how obnoxious Pittsburgh fans can be. But actually I do since we have a lot of STeelers fans down here.

658
lawhawk  Sep 6, 2017 • 11:41:28am

re: #644 FormerDirtDart

659
HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 11:42:45am

re: #658 lawhawk

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Take that Rudy and your lies about Di Blasio.

660
sagehen  Sep 6, 2017 • 11:45:06am

re: #630 makeitstop

Fed Vice-Chair Resigns

Does that mean Mnuchin can pack the fed with a majority of his own choosing?

661
sagehen  Sep 6, 2017 • 11:47:52am

re: #638 wrenchwench

Just for that…

[Embedded content]

662
jamesfirecat  Sep 6, 2017 • 11:50:39am

re: #465 Dragonomics

What’s with Trump’s exclamation mark? Is he cheering on the hurricane? Is he excited, happy or just screaming at us?

Top of the muffin TO YOU!

663
The Vicious Babushka  Sep 6, 2017 • 12:18:59pm

re: #646 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Wow that’s some cheapass shit right there. Is it made in China or in some 3rd world shithole conquered by Eric Prince?

664
wheat-dogg  Sep 6, 2017 • 12:49:02pm

re: #646 jaunte

Soon to be found in Goodwills around the country.


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