A Wonderful Live Tiny Desk Concert by Jason Isbell

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Aug 28, 2017 | Stephen Thompson - Like many singer-songwriters, Jason Isbell writes music that mirrors developments in his own life. In recent years, that’s thankfully included the hard-won contentment he’s experienced on his path to 40: sobriety, marriage and on from there. On this summer’s The Nashville Sound, the decorated Alabama-born star understandably casts his gaze toward parenthood — a job he’s recently come to share with singer, fiddler and Tiny Desk veteran Amanda Shires — but expands his scope further to encompass politics, fear of obsolescence, and his place in the world. It’s a gorgeous record: noble and scruffy, graceful and human.

For his Tiny Desk debut, Isbell and his band The 400 Unit performed three songs from The Nashville Sound, but their set fanned out to include lengthy bits of funny banter, a false start and an impromptu bit in which he shone a spotlight on a member of the audience. “This is like an audition and a rock show at once,” he deadpanned to Ashwin Wadekar, a guest in the building who — not to spoil anything — got more than he’d likely expected from his visit to NPR headquarters.

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SET LIST

“Chaos and Clothes”
“Molotov”
“Last of My Kind”

MUSICIANS

Jason Isbell (vocals, guitar); Sadler Vaden (guitar); Amanda Shires (fiddle, backing vocals); Jimbo Hart (bass); Derry deBorja (keyboards); Chad Gamble (drums); Ashwin Wadekar (guitar on “Last of My Kind”).

CREDITS

Producers: Bob Boilen, Niki Walker, Bronson Arcuri; Audio Engineers: Josh Rogosin, Jason Willetts; Videographers: Niki Walker, Tsering Bista; Production Assistant: Nick Michael; Photo: Claire Harbage/NPR.

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389 comments

1
klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 6, 2017 • 3:35:03pm

OH GOOD. A shiny new thread. The nice new thread smell.

The old one was getting a little stinky.

2
HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 3:36:05pm

re: #1 klys (maker of Silmarils)

OH GOOD. A shiny new thread. The nice new thread smell.

The old one was getting a little stinky.

Mind if I stay up here with you? JFC.

3
IngisKahn  Sep 6, 2017 • 3:37:19pm

But the people didn’t really want a new thread.

4
Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 6, 2017 • 3:37:43pm

re: #3 IngisKahn

But the people didn’t really want a new thread.

I didn’t vote for Charles. Did anybody here vote for Charles?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 3:37:47pm

re: #3 IngisKahn

But the people didn’t really want a new thread.

Bernie liked the old thread more! //

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 3:38:07pm

re: #4 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I didn’t vote for Charles. Did anybody here vote for Charles?

Debbie Wasserman Schultz chose Charles!

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JordanRules  Sep 6, 2017 • 3:38:43pm

Old thread is a loser that nobody wanted!

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 3:38:54pm

Anyhow humor aside, I really enjoy Jason Isbell. Haven’t really listened to the new album much yet but Something More than Free from last year was terrific.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 6, 2017 • 3:39:20pm

re: #7 JordanRules

Old thread is a loser that nobody wanted!

It’s sad. Very sad. Low energy.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 3:39:31pm

re: #7 JordanRules

Old thread is a loser that nobody wanted!

The new thread has Killer Mike’s endorsement.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 6, 2017 • 3:39:53pm

re: #7 JordanRules

Old thread is a loser that nobody wanted!

Oh, so it’s Bernie Sanders, then?

[Ducks.]

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JordanRules  Sep 6, 2017 • 3:39:59pm

re: #10 HappyWarrior

LMAO! Well played!

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 6, 2017 • 3:40:12pm

Someone else come clean off my kitchen island. I ran 10 miles today and my hip thinks that maybe wasn’t my best plan ever. >.>

14
JordanRules  Sep 6, 2017 • 3:40:26pm

re: #11 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Incoming!!!!!!!!!!!!!

15
Stanley Sea  Sep 6, 2017 • 3:40:47pm

Where is Brad Parscale I wonder.

Re: the Facebook buy by the russian troll farm.

Illegal to accept any in-kind foreign govt support for a campaign.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 6, 2017 • 3:40:51pm

re: #14 JordanRules

Incoming!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, I said the thing. Guess I’d better prep for incoming artillery fire, now.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 6, 2017 • 3:41:40pm

Good read

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 3:43:11pm

The New Thread didn’t vote for the crime bill.

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JordanRules  Sep 6, 2017 • 3:44:13pm

Back to my obsession of the last 12 hours…

I hope they get people out before Jose.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 6, 2017 • 3:44:14pm

re: #18 HappyWarrior

The New Thread didn’t vote for the crime bill.

The New Thread accomplished nothing. It has no legacy aside from its shiny green color.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Sep 6, 2017 • 3:44:25pm

re: #3 IngisKahn

But the people didn’t really want a new thread.

This is the largest crowd for a new thread ever. Period.

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JordanRules  Sep 6, 2017 • 3:45:44pm

re: #20 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Nobody will even remember this thread when it’s all said and done.

Also too…Russia.

23
Decatur Deb  Sep 6, 2017 • 3:46:01pm

re: #21 b.d. (bill d.)

This is the largest crowd for a new thread ever. Period.

There was a time you could rough up a stale old thread.

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Sep 6, 2017 • 3:46:15pm

There are now three active hurricanes in the Atlantic/Gulf region:

BULLETIN
Hurricane Katia Advisory Number 5
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL132017
400 PM CDT Wed Sep 06 2017
… HURRICANE KATIA FORMS IN THE SOUTHWESTERN GULF OF MEXICO… … A HURRICANE WATCH IS IN EFFECT FOR THE COAST OF THE STATE OF VERACRUZ…
SUMMARY OF 400 PM CDT… 2100 UTC… INFORMATION
———————————————————————
LOCATION… 21.7N 95.1W ABOUT 185 MI… 295 KM E OF TAMPICO MEXICO ABOUT 185 MI… 300 KM NNE OF VERACRUZ MEXICO MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS… 75 MPH… 120 KM/H PRESENT MOVEMENT… SE OR 135 DEGREES AT 3 MPH… 6 KM/H MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE… 992 MB… 29.30 INCHES
WATCHES AND WARNINGS
——————————
CHANGES WITH THIS ADVISORY:
THE GOVERNMENT OF MEXICO HAS ISSUED A HURRICANE WATCH FOR THE COAST OF THE STATE OF VERACRUZ FROM TUXPAN TO LAGUNA VERDE.
SUMMARY OF WATCHES AND WARNINGS IN EFFECT:
A HURRICANE WATCH IS IN EFFECT FOR…
* TUXPAN TO LAGUNA VERDE
A HURRICANE WATCH MEANS THAT HURRICANE CONDITIONS ARE POSSIBLE WITHIN THE WATCH AREA. A WATCH IS TYPICALLY ISSUED 48 HOURS BEFORE THE ANTICIPATED FIRST OCCURRENCE OF TROPICAL-STORM-FORCE WINDS, CONDITIONS THAT MAKE OUTSIDE PREPARATIONS DIFFICULT OR DANGEROUS.
FOR STORM INFORMATION SPECIFIC TO YOUR AREA, PLEASE MONITOR PRODUCTS ISSUED BY YOUR NATIONAL METEOROLOGICAL SERVICE.
DISCUSSION AND 48-HOUR OUTLOOK
———————————————
AT 400 PM CDT (2100 UTC), THE CENTER OF HURRICANE KATIA WAS LOCATED NEAR LATITUDE 21.7 NORTH, LONGITUDE 95.1 WEST. KATIA IS MOVING TOWARD THE SOUTHEAST NEAR 3 MPH (6 KM/H). LITTLE OVERALL MOTION IS ANTICIPATED THROUGH TONIGHT, BUT A SOUTHWESTWARD DRIFT SHOULD BEGIN TOMORROW.
DATA FROM THE HURRICANE HUNTER AIRCRAFT INDICATE THAT THE MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS HAVE INCREASED TO NEAR 75 MPH (120 KM/H) WITH HIGHER GUSTS. SOME ADDITIONAL STRENGTHENING IS FORECAST DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS.
HURRICANE-FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 15 MILES (30 KM) FROM THE CENTER AND TROPICAL-STORM-FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 60 MILES (95 KM).
THE ESTIMATED MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE IS 992 MB (29.30 INCHES).
HAZARDS AFFECTING LAND
———————————
RAINFALL: KATIA IS EXPECTED TO PRODUCE TOTAL RAIN ACCUMULATIONS OF 5 TO 10 INCHES OVER NORTHERN VERACRUZ, AND 2 TO 5 INCHES OVER FAR SOUTHERN TAMAULIPAS, NORTHEAST PUEBLA, AND SOUTHERN VERACRUZ THROUGH SATURDAY MORNING. ISOLATED MAXIMUM AMOUNTS OF 15 INCHES ARE POSSIBLE IN NORTHERN VERACRUZ. THIS RAINFALL MAY CAUSE LIFE-THREATENING FLASH FLOODS AND MUDSLIDES, ESPECIALLY IN AREAS OF MOUNTAINOUS TERRAIN.
WIND: HURRICANE CONDITIONS ARE POSSIBLE WITHIN THE WATCH AREA BY LATE FRIDAY, WITH TROPICAL STORM CONDITIONS POSSIBLE EARLIER THAT DAY.
NEXT ADVISORY
——————-
NEXT INTERMEDIATE ADVISORY AT 700 PM CDT. NEXT COMPLETE ADVISORY AT 1000 PM CDT.
$$ FORECASTER AVILA

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 6, 2017 • 3:46:54pm

Bah, JordanRules, I’d missed your bit with the earlier statement from the PM and yeah, ripping on him for that is fair game. I knew he had made an earlier statement and I hadn’t read it so I was trying to be clear that the only thing I wasn’t blaming him for was the fatality number miscommunication and I had no opinion on other bits.

I figured I’d reply up here rather than go back downstairs.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 6, 2017 • 3:48:46pm

I have 2 boxes of Nothing Bundt Cakes Bundtinis on my counter, waiting to deliver to my 2 new neighbors.

When they get home……..

I’m so tempted to decide which neighbor is not deserving!!

If you’ve never had these, search em out!
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JordanRules  Sep 6, 2017 • 3:49:31pm

re: #25 klys (maker of Silmarils)

All good. I totally figured that’s where we had our communication crossed a bit. PM probably overwhelmed but those first 2 communications (statement & tweet) weren’t great.

I really can’t believe only 1 dead. Amazing.

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JordanRules  Sep 6, 2017 • 3:50:20pm

re: #25 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Couldn’t pay me to go back downstairs either!

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Targetpractice  Sep 6, 2017 • 3:50:57pm

I take a sanity break to go play Destiny 2, come back and find out that Trump fragged his own team. I need to take breaks more often.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 6, 2017 • 3:53:11pm

re: #29 Targetpractice

I take a sanity break to go play Destiny 2, come back and find out that Trump fragged his own team. I need to take breaks more often.

I’m starting to eye that for the PC release. Thoughts?

31
BeachDem  Sep 6, 2017 • 3:54:55pm

re: #26 Stanley Sea

I have 2 boxes of Nothing Bundt Cakes Bundtinis on my counter, waiting to deliver to my 2 new neighbors.

When they get home……..

I’m so tempted to decide which neighbor is not deserving!!

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Look so good. Now I’m hungry.

So, what’s your dad’s evac plan? Mine is still in limbo.

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JordanRules  Sep 6, 2017 • 3:55:01pm

re: #26 Stanley Sea

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Stanley Sea  Sep 6, 2017 • 3:55:31pm

Thread

I miss CL desperately.

34
EPR-radar  Sep 6, 2017 • 3:55:50pm

re: #28 JordanRules

Couldn’t pay me to go back downstairs either!

It would be nice if disagreements between various kinds of lefties could be productive, rather than too often turning into clusterfucks like downstairs.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 6, 2017 • 3:56:00pm

re: #29 Targetpractice

I take a sanity break to go play Destiny 2, come back and find out that Trump fragged his own team. I need to take breaks more often.

The mental image here had me LOL. Imagining a 12-year-old kid screaming through his headset at The Donald for being a team-killing dumbass.

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 6, 2017 • 3:56:22pm

re: #24 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

There are now three active hurricanes in the Atlantic/Gulf region:

It’s OK because Al Gore is fat.

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electrotek  Sep 6, 2017 • 3:56:37pm

re: #33 Stanley Sea

Thread

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I miss CL desperately.

Hearts and minds, hearts and minds…

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Decatur Deb  Sep 6, 2017 • 3:56:58pm

re: #26 Stanley Sea

I have 2 boxes of Nothing Bundt Cakes Bundtinis on my counter, waiting to deliver to my 2 new neighbors.

When they get home……..

I’m so tempted to decide which neighbor is not deserving!!

[Embedded content]

Invite both neighbours to a friendly get-together. Eat one box. Strategy!!

39
Targetpractice  Sep 6, 2017 • 3:57:26pm

re: #30 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’m starting to eye that for the PC release. Thoughts?

I’m really enjoying it. I’m an XBone jockey, so I’m not as worried about the graphics as I am the fact that they fixed a lot of the little niggles about the first game while keeping most of what fans loved.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 6, 2017 • 3:57:59pm

re: #29 Targetpractice

I take a sanity break to go play Destiny 2, come back and find out that Trump fragged his own team. I need to take breaks more often.

“Ah, you can’t fool me! There ain’t no Sanity Clause Break!”

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EPR-radar  Sep 6, 2017 • 3:58:45pm

re: #33 Stanley Sea

JFC. If the US can’t get really basic shit like this done right after a zillion years in Afghanistan, we should just leave immediately and stop pretending we can make things better.

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JordanRules  Sep 6, 2017 • 3:58:55pm

re: #38 Decatur Deb

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Kragar  Sep 6, 2017 • 3:59:39pm
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Targetpractice  Sep 6, 2017 • 3:59:49pm

re: #35 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

The mental image here had me LOL. Imagining a 12-year-old kid screaming through his headset at The Donald for being a team-killing dumbass.

You’ve accurately described the mental maturity level of the GOP leadership.

45
plansbandc  Sep 6, 2017 • 3:59:52pm

I’ve had a break with sanity also. Oh wait…

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BeachDem  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:00:16pm

re: #35 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

The mental image here had me LOL. Imagining a 12-year-old kid screaming through his headset at The Donald for being a team-killing dumbass.

Charlie Pierce:

He called them, “Chuck and Nancy.”

There’s an original Star Trek episode in which Spock senses that a starship manned entirely by Vulcans has been destroyed because his telepathic mind heard their “death scream.” I think I just had that same experience, except I believe I heard the Republicans in Congress.

Chuck and Nancy.

Classic…

The next 12 legislative days are going to lack only the Hendersons and a waltzing horse to be a proper circus.

esquire.com

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MsJ  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:00:33pm

re: #33 Stanley Sea

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:00:57pm

re: #43 Kragar

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Today’s Democrats would be bitching that FDR didn’t get the Japanese to surrender right after Midway.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:01:07pm

re: #39 Targetpractice

I’m really enjoying it. I’m an XBone jockey, so I’m not as worried about the graphics as I am the fact that they fixed a lot of the little niggles about the first game while keeping most of what fans loved.

I didn’t play the first one, but mr. klys and I can enjoy FPS-ish with RPG elements and some multiplayer aspects that aren’t completely stupid and/or dependent on other people not being assholes.

So that’s sort of what I’m looking for, is our next game to play together.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:01:15pm

re: #43 Kragar

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The Hill is quietly but relentlessly RW. They write what they dream.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:01:40pm

Right Wing Ramps Up Campaign Against Southern Poverty Law Center

Religious Right groups and right-wing media outlets are waging an intensified campaign against the Southern Poverty Law Center, an Alabama-based organization that monitors and challenges extremist groups and hateful rhetoric. The latest salvo comes in the form of an open letter to the media written by the Family Research Council and Media Research Center and signed by 47 right-wing leaders and organizations. The letter characterizes the SPLC as “an attack dog of the political left” and urges media outlets to stop using SPLC data, lists and maps.

Religious Right groups have been furious at the SPLC since the organization decided several years ago to begin listing some of them as anti-LGBTQ hate groups. Religious Right groups rallied around the Family Research Council when the SPLC labeled it a hate group in 2010. Religious Right leaders complain that they are designated as hate groups simply for upholding “traditional” Christian teaching about marriage and sexuality, which the SPLC has repeatedly explained is not true.

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Brian J.  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:02:17pm

re: #50 Decatur Deb

The Hill is quietly but relentlessly RW. The write what they dream.

My own experience is that they print whatever gets sent in over the transom. Trumpers, BernieBros, sane people, makes no difference as long as it fills pages and gets clicks.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:02:31pm

re: #49 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I didn’t play the first one, but mr. klys and I can enjoy FPS-ish with RPG elements and some multiplayer aspects that aren’t completely stupid and/or dependent on other people not being assholes.

So that’s sort of what I’m looking for, is our next game to play together.

Mass Effect checks most of those boxes, except for the multiplayer aspect, unfortunately. Although isn’t one of the newer versions multiplayer-capable?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:02:44pm

re: #49 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Caveat, I suck at shooters but I enjoy them. So something that can still be enjoyed without being good is helpful. (Looking at you, Overwatch and your “community.”)

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Targetpractice  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:03:35pm

re: #43 Kragar

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OFFS, some people will never be happy. If the DNC had held out for DACA, there probably would have been no “deal” and these same morons would be arguing that the DNC shouldn’t use DACA as a bargaining chip.

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makeitstop  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:03:52pm

re: #15 Stanley Sea

Where is Brad Parscale I wonder.

Re: the Facebook buy by the russian troll farm.

Illegal to accept any in-kind foreign govt support for a campaign.

If I was Mueller I’d have a team of investigators straight up his ass.

There’s a reason Trump paid him so much money. I wonder if he got to keep it all, if you know what I’m saying…

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Decatur Deb  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:03:58pm

re: #52 Brian J.

My own experience is that they print whatever gets sent in over the transom. Trumpers, BernieBros, sane people, makes no difference as long as it fills pages and gets clicks.

That difference in perception is diagnostic.

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Varek Raith  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:04:01pm

re: #43 Kragar

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Why they no singlepayercampaignfinancereformminimumwageunicorn?!

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Stanley Sea  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:04:26pm

re: #31 BeachDem

Look so good. Now I’m hungry.

So, what’s your dad’s evac plan? Mine is still in limbo.

My Dad isn’t doing shit. I’ll call him again in a day or so when it is more pressing to him.

My Step Dad in West Palm Beach is staying with his girlfriend.
“We’re both Miami babies, we’ve done this before”

They do have a lot of supplies including 2 extra batteries for their phone. (!! I don’t have one extra so there’s that) They’re 81 & 70 yrs old.

I haven’t given them the Former Dirt Dart line yet, which I thought was the BEST: Pack a bag that you can carry when the helicopter plucks you off the roof.

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ObserverArt  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:05:34pm

re: #28 JordanRules

Couldn’t pay me to go back downstairs either!

Hey…I just posted a nice calm suggestion as to what wrench could suggest as a motor to power a skate board. Well, with some creative thinking like a mounting plate and a way to connect a drive shaft to the little wheels.

I was ignoring the rest. It can be done.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:05:47pm

re: #38 Decatur Deb

Invite both neighbours to a friendly get-together. Eat one box. Strategy!!

If one doesn’t show tonight I’m fucked.

You can always go buy another box!!!

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nines09  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:05:48pm

So with everything, there are still Mallo Cups. I loved these as a kid and the coupons….THE FUCKING COUPONS…was like the come on on the back of comics at that time…
Cruel.
But the comics were great and the Mallow Cups?
Uhhhhhhhhh……
DARK CHOCOLATE MALLO CUPS!??!??
I can still score these at a small country store…..I win.

The Precious…the…dark…marshmallow…and..
The cruel game that delicious played….
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Charles Johnson  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:06:13pm
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Decatur Deb  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:07:32pm

re: #51 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Right Wing Ramps Up Campaign Against Southern Poverty Law Center

I don’t think of money sent to SPLC as a ‘donation’. It’s like paying a public utility bill.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:07:56pm

re: #43 Kragar

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I didn’t get my pony! I’m voting for the Republican now!

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EPR-radar  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:08:43pm

re: #64 Decatur Deb

I don’t think of money sent to SPLC as a ‘donation’. It’s like paying a public utility bill.

I view my donations to the ACLU as self-defense.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:09:08pm

re: #58 Varek Raith

Why they no singlepayercampaignfinancereformminimumwageunicorn?!

I was reading the comments on something the other day, and some clown was saying the Democratic Party was shit because they spent too much time trying to reach a bipartisan healthcare bill with the GOP instead of just giving us Single Payer.

Christ. We couldn’t even get 60 votes for the Public Option!

But, you know, as long as you don’t care what reality is, you can imagine all kinds of crazy shit.

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BeachDem  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:09:37pm

re: #59 Stanley Sea

My Dad isn’t doing shit. I’ll call him again in a day or so when it is more pressing to him.

My Step Dad in West Palm Beach is staying with his girlfriend.
“We’re both Miami babies, we’ve done this before”

They do have a lot of supplies including 2 extra batteries for their phone. (!! I don’t have one extra so there’s that) They’re 81 & 70 yrs old.

I haven’t given them the Former Dirt Dart line yet, which I thought was the BEST: Pack a bag that you can carry when the helicopter plucks you off the roof.

I’m only one step ahead of your dad—I’ve been making ice!

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MsJ  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:09:49pm

re: #63 Charles Johnson

NOPE. NO. UH UH. NOPENOPENOPE.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:09:53pm

re: #62 nines09

So with everything, there are still Mallo Cups. I loved these as a kid and the coupons….THE FUCKING COUPONS…was like the come on on the back of comics at that time…
Cruel.
But the comics were great and the Mallow Cups?
Uhhhhhhhhh……
DARK CHOCOLATE MALLO CUPS!??!??
I can still score these at a small country store…..I win.

[Embedded content]

A lot of retro candy is being re-created using original or reversed-engineered recipes. They are carried at boutique stores and Cracker Barrel shops.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:10:09pm

re: #66 EPR-radar

I view my donations to the ACLU as self-defense.

‘zactly.

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Kragar  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:10:22pm

re: #62 nines09

Peanut Butter Twix are becoming increasingly hard to find in San Diego, and it is severely harshing my mellow

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:10:26pm

re: #62 nines09

Oooo. Those sound good.

We have a local chain that specializes in candy, including all the harder to find stuff. I’d bet they’ll have these.

I probably don’t want to know what the nutritional info says.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:10:50pm

re: #67 Blind Frog Belly White

I was reading the comments on something the other day, and some clown was saying the Democratic Party was shit because they spent too much time trying to reach a bipartisan healthcare bill with the GOP instead of just giving us Single Payer.

Christ. We couldn’t even get 60 votes for the Public Option!

But, you know, as long as you don’t care what reality is, you can imagine all kinds of crazy shit.

I was reading the comments on a Fark thread (I know, not my most intelligent hour) and found a troll trying to argue, with a straight face, that BLM was officially recognized as a terrorist/hate group.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:12:13pm

re: #63 Charles Johnson

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PR is actually lucky, as I define luck.

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EPR-radar  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:12:29pm

re: #74 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I was reading the comments on a Fark thread (I know, not my most intelligent hour) and found a troll trying to argue, with a straight face, that BLM was officially recognized as a terrorist/hate group.

With Sessions as attorney general, this could become true at any time.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:12:47pm

re: #62 nines09

Never really like Mallo Cups, myself. More of a Clark Bar kind of guy.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:12:59pm

re: #76 EPR-radar

With Sessions as attorney general, this could become true at any time.

Alas, too true. But it hasn’t yet.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:13:40pm

re: #73 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Oooo. Those sound good.

We have a local chain that specializes in candy, including all the harder to find stuff. I’d bet they’ll have these.

I probably don’t want to know what the nutritional info says.

“Abandon All Hope, Ye Who Enter Here”

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nines09  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:13:46pm

re: #70 Decatur Deb

Yes. But these never went away. Ever have a Moxie? That went away and came back worse.

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MsJ  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:14:08pm

re: #74 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I was reading the comments on a Fark thread (I know, not my most intelligent hour) and found a troll trying to argue, with a straight face, that BLM was officially recognized as a terrorist/hate group.

The right wingers in Congress already introduced something you that effect. Along with AntiFa (which isn’t an organization at all).

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Decatur Deb  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:14:15pm

re: #77 Blind Frog Belly White

Never really like Mallo Cups, myself. More of a Clark Bar kind of guy.

Went on semester-long binges. Definitely hung on Mallo Cups, Heath Bars, Clusters.

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makeitstop  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:14:24pm

re: #59 Stanley Sea

My Dad isn’t doing shit. I’ll call him again in a day or so when it is more pressing to him.

My Step Dad in West Palm Beach is staying with his girlfriend.
“We’re both Miami babies, we’ve done this before”

They do have a lot of supplies including 2 extra batteries for their phone. (!! I don’t have one extra so there’s that) They’re 81 & 70 yrs old.

I haven’t given them the Former Dirt Dart line yet, which I thought was the BEST: Pack a bag that you can carry when the helicopter plucks you off the roof.

I have a brother-in-law in WPB who’s being stubborn, too.

My wife and I and my nieces have been working on him. Hopefully he’ll cave and get out of there before the weekend.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:14:54pm

re: #81 MsJ

The right wingers in Congress already introduced something you that effect. Along with AntiFa (which isn’t an organization at all).

If I had to guess, that’s probably what the troll was trying to reference, but being a troll, he had no links or references to anything he was saying.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:15:30pm

re: #80 nines09

Yes. But these never went away. Ever have a Moxie? That went away and came back worse.

I’ve seen it advertised in PGH neighbourhoods, but mostly know it from a phase of early Mad Magazine.

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wrenchwench  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:18:59pm

Can they expand that tiny desk? Occasionally it gets crowded back there. In a good way. The bass is tiny, but fiddlers need some room. And if they want to randomly add people….

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makeitstop  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:19:41pm

In other news - three of my favorite musical acts (in no particular order)

Snarky Puppy
Biffy Clyro
Dwight Yoakam

are all playing on Long Island tomorrow night. Of course, the wife and I are going into Manhattan to have dinner with friends from Oregon.

Timing is everything. I don’t seem to have it this week.

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nines09  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:20:08pm

re: #77 Blind Frog Belly White

I liked Clark Bars too. I liked candy when I could get it. All the small players got bought up and the quality went away. One thing that was pure Philly. Still there. Not far from where I grew up. Zitners Butter Krak Eggs

Heaven.

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nines09  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:21:39pm

re: #72 Kragar

Amazon…..

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Decatur Deb  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:22:15pm

Florida and the rest of the hurricane-prone Confederacy should get everything their citizens need, in a timely fashion. It should be sponsored by Northern Democrats in the “You’re Shits and We’re Not Act of 2017”.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:22:16pm

No one miraculously appeared to clean off my kitchen island. I am disappointed.

Heating pads are wonderful things.

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wrenchwench  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:22:49pm

re: #60 ObserverArt

Hey…I just posted a nice calm suggestion as to what wrench could suggest as a motor to power a skate board. Well, with some creative thinking like a mounting plate and a way to connect a drive shaft to the little wheels.

I was ignoring the rest. It can be done.

No motors! This is a strictly Human Powered Vehicular Enterprise. Soon to be known as Get Off My Lawn Bike Shop.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:22:51pm

re: #91 klys (maker of Silmarils)

No one miraculously appeared to clean off my kitchen island. I am disappointed.

Heating pads are wonderful things.

Sorry. Decided to organize a Pokemon Go raid instead. Sounded more fun, somehow.

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plansbandc  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:23:12pm

re: #77 Blind Frog Belly White

Zero Bar is my fave retro candy bar.

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Dragonomics  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:23:24pm

Zagnuts rule my candy realm.

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makeitstop  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:23:24pm

re: #91 klys (maker of Silmarils)

No one miraculously appeared to clean off my kitchen island. I am disappointed.

Heating pads are wonderful things.

I cleaned it in spirit. :)

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stpaulbear  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:23:25pm

re: #70 Decatur Deb

A lot of retro candy is being re-created using original or reversed-engineered recipes. They are carried at boutique stores and Cracker Barrel shops.

I had to start watching my carb intake this summer, but the office gift/snack shop carries some MN made mini candy bars that are irresistible so I allow myself one for desert after lunch. My favorite is the dark chocolate mint fudge.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:23:28pm

re: #91 klys (maker of Silmarils)

No one miraculously appeared to clean off my kitchen island. I am disappointed.

Heating pads are wonderful things.

Are you sure you said the incantation right?

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Decatur Deb  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:23:32pm

re: #91 klys (maker of Silmarils)

No one miraculously appeared to clean off my kitchen island. I am disappointed.

Heating pads are wonderful things.

So is Valpolicella.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:23:41pm

re: #94 plansbandc

Zero Bar is my fave retro candy bar.

We go to the aforementioned specialty candy store to pick up one of those each year for my mother-in-law’s Christmas stocking.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:23:41pm

re: #67 Blind Frog Belly White

I was reading the comments on something the other day, and some clown was saying the Democratic Party was shit because they spent too much time trying to reach a bipartisan healthcare bill with the GOP instead of just giving us Single Payer.

Christ. We couldn’t even get 60 votes for the Public Option!

But, you know, as long as you don’t care what reality is, you can imagine all kinds of crazy shit.

It makes discussion impossible because you point that out and you get accused of being a “third way not a real liberal.” Fuck that, I’m not letting these people define an ideology I’ve spent 15 years fighting for.

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nines09  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:24:15pm

re: #73 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Eat it and bliss out….One of the little tricks from carrying candy bars around with me for energy in the winter was the fact that some taste better chilled. Some taste fantastic frozen.
Freeze a dark Mars bar….

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Kragar  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:24:26pm
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ObserverArt  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:25:00pm

re: #74 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I was reading the comments on a Fark thread (I know, not my most intelligent hour) and found a troll trying to argue, with a straight face, that BLM was officially recognized as a terrorist/hate group.

It’s true.

It was made official by Fox News with crack investigative work by Sean Hannity.

Now all the wingnuts know BLM is a terrorist/hate group.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:25:34pm

re: #104 ObserverArt

It’s true.

It was made official by Fox News with crack investigative work by Sean Hannity.

Now all the wingnuts know BLM is a terrorist/hate group.

Sean Fucking Hannity, are you serious? Ugh. I knew the dude was lowbrow, but wow, what a putz.

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BeachDem  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:25:49pm

Dokter Zoom has the best “analysis” of Hero-to-Zero Maverick McCain’s newfound enthrallment with the idiotic, unworkable, stupid Graham-Cassidy healthcare bill.

We warned you not to assume the monster’s dead, even if the credits have rolled.

wonkette.com

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CleverToad  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:25:56pm

re: #75 Stanley Sea

PR is actually lucky, as I define luck.

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Thinking of the PR Lizards/friends of Lizards. Fingers crossed for all of them. ‘Too close’ counts in horseshoes, hand grenades and hurricanes.

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Kragar  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:26:17pm
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Decatur Deb  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:26:36pm

re: #97 stpaulbear

I had to start watching my carb intake this summer, but the office gift/snack shop carries some MN made mini candy bars that are irresistible so I allow myself one for desert after lunch. My favorite is the dark chocolate mint fudge.

Sounds good. I’m still fond of Reese’s Cups, especially chilled. It ticked off my daughters when I found I had forgotten a cup I’d left in the fridge.

“Who forgets a candy bar?”

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:26:42pm

Can I just say guys that this really is one of the better communities? People don’t always agree but it’s mostly done so diplomatically and we do look out for each other.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:27:10pm

re: #108 Kragar

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Makes you a coward too. But you kind of already said that with racist since all racists are cowards.

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Kragar  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:27:51pm

re: #110 HappyWarrior

Can I just say guys that this really is one of the better communities? People don’t always agree but it’s mostly done so diplomatically and we do look out for each other.

What the hell do you mean by that, asshole?
/

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:28:33pm

re: #112 Kragar

What the hell do you mean by that, asshole?
/

I don’t know fuckwad, ask your mom!

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lawhawk  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:29:26pm

re: #113 HappyWarrior

I don’t know fuckwad, ask your mom!

If I wanted your goddamned opinion, I’d have given it to you. ///

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KGxvi  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:29:30pm

Is there a rational reason for having the debt limit? I am hard pressed to figure out why someone doesn’t just point out that this is a stupid law and not something worth fighting over regularly. Is there a single reason to keep the debt limit beyond being able to pick a political fight that, best case scenario, ends in a Pyrrhic victory for one side?

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Decatur Deb  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:29:57pm

re: #113 HappyWarrior

I don’t know fuckwad, ask your mom!

I gottcher diploma right here!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:30:00pm

re: #101 HappyWarrior

It makes discussion impossible because you point that out and you get accused of being a “third way not a real liberal.” Fuck that, I’m not letting these people define an ideology I’ve spent 15 years fighting for.

“Not A Real Liberal” is what New Jersey Florida Sister said about HRC. I thought, “Dafuq?”

I mean, at a certain point, if you support higher minimum wage; Universal healthcare; an expanded social safety net; affordable or free public education; more regulation of Wall Street, environmental regulations, worker safety, product safety, gun safety, and increased taxes on the wealthy and corporations, I’m not sure what’s left of Liberalism that you aren’t part of.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:30:47pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:31:11pm

re: #117 Blind Frog Belly White

“Not A Real Liberal” is what New Jersey Florida Sister said about HRC. I thought, “Dafuq?”

I mean, at a certain point, if you support higher minimum wage; Universal healthcare; an expanded social safety net; affordable or free public education; more regulation of Wall Street, environmental regulations, worker safety, product safety, gun safety, and increased taxes on the wealthy and corporations, I’m not sure what’s left of Liberalism that you aren’t part of.

Well, she supported capitalism so that automatically makes her a Republican.

Or something.

In the meantime, heads up on yet another front:

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Stanley Sea  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:31:13pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:31:28pm

re: #117 Blind Frog Belly White

“Not A Real Liberal” is what New Jersey Florida Sister said about HRC. I thought, “Dafuq?”

I mean, at a certain point, if you support higher minimum wage; Universal healthcare; an expanded social safety net; affordable or free public education; more regulation of Wall Street, environmental regulations, worker safety, product safety, gun safety, and increased taxes on the wealthy and corporations, I’m not sure what’s left of Liberalism that you aren’t part of.

She voted 95% of the time with Sanders during the time in Congress together. And I imagine a lot of that 5% difference was his votes on guns and some of his votes on immigration which gasp weren’t that liberal. You can think Wall Street needs more reform without treating everyone who works on Wall Street like they’re a greedy fuckbag.

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majii  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:33:38pm

re: #48 Blind Frog Belly White

“Today’s Democrats would be bitching that FDR didn’t get the Japanese to surrender right after Midway.”

Some of them in Congress today don’t know when to keep their yaps shut. I see the “win” today as a strategic step toward getting more significant Dem wins on future policies/bills, especially in regard to DACA, Planned Parenthood and protecting transgender members in our military. I hate seeing some Dems behaving like spoiled kids who want an entire box of cookies before dinner.

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BeachDem  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:33:53pm

re: #120 Stanley Sea

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And much less important, but sure to make the yam and melon so very sad:

Best-dressed list honors Obamas, snubs Trumps

rawstory.com

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wrenchwench  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:33:55pm

re: #119 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Well, she supported capitalism so that automatically makes her a Republican.

Or something.

In the meantime, heads up on yet another front:

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The ADA is one of my favorites. I joke about some of the sidewalks around here: ‘Not only are they not ADA approved, they’re not NCAA approved!’

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Stanley Sea  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:35:08pm

re: #123 BeachDem

And much less important, but sure to make the yam and melon so very sad:

Best-dressed list honors Obamas, snubs Trumps

rawstory.com

What a waste of a 55K jacket.

#SAD

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alloutofcrazyhere  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:35:27pm

re: #103 Kragar

Too bad it’s not Hurricane Karma.

Don’t get me wrong, I don’t want anyone hurt in Florida, but the irony of the whole thing if it was named as such might make this non-believer reconsider his religious beliefs if Mar a Lago was sent to the land of Oz. (Maybe)

Well, not really. But I tried!

Stay safe people.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:36:08pm

Dogwalk. AMF.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:37:19pm

We just got home from Scottsbluff with our rental “car” after waiting for nine days to get one (getting rentals around here is tough enough but the eclipse really put the press on our few car rental places).

The insurance company said they would only pay for the smallest car their contracted company has available, and to pick us up at home to get it.

That turned out to be a 2017 Ford Expedition.

Holy crap you could put three of my cars in that thing, and it probably cost twice as much as my house. No self-respecting cowboy, rancher, or farmer would be caught dead driving that Rhinestone Cowboy-mobile around here.

There is more bling inside that vehicle than a jewellery shop. Pennsylvania plates to make me stand out here as if I was lost. GPS in the car that has maps that do not show our roads (so when we’re travelling along off the few paved roads, the map looks like we’re driving across blank space - I don’t know how to shut off the GPS so it will be an annoyance until I get my Smart car back).

After the rental agency got it all set up for us and the paperwork signed, he flipped on Sirius XM, tuned to some right wing propaganda channel. I told him “oh hell no, I’m not listening to some wingnut for sixty miles home; show me how to change this or turn it off.” The clerk laughed at “wingnut” and showed me how to put on the radio or select other channels on Sirius (that seems to be too much of a pain, why have a thousand satellite channels if you can only listen to one at a time).

Got back to the county seat and did business we’ve put off for ten days (picked up new glasses for my wife, went to the store, &c). A sheriff’s deputy chatted when we came out of the optician shop; he’d been looking over this beast parked on the street and asked why I would drive such a thing. (Parked at a restaurant it was bigger than a crew cab extended bed truck we parked next to.)

We probably won’t drive it much (mileage somewhere south of 17 mpg), but we don’t get out much anyway. I don’t ever recall spending sixty dollars on gas since I lived in Spain.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:37:23pm

re: #122 majii

“Today’s Democrats would be bitching that FDR didn’t get the Japanese to surrender right after Midway.”

Some of them in Congress today don’t know when to keep their yaps shut. I see the “win” today as a strategic step toward getting more significant Dem wins on future policies/bills, especially in regard to DACA, Planned Parenthood and protecting transgender members in our military. I hate seeing some Dems behaving like spoiled kids who want an entire box of cookies before dinner.

You know? I can get the kids that supported Sanders acting this way. But when I see people, people who I knew in the Bush years, people who are actually older than me and even old enough to be my parents acting that way, it just pisses me off because ti shows a complete lack of understanding of how shit gets done and then I have to hear them cry about how this isn’t FDR’s party anymore. YOu know what, I like FDR and FDR quite honestly is why my mom’s parents were lifelong Dems but FDR was also okay with legalized lynching when it kept the Southern Dems i the party. The “Neo-Libs” say yhwat you want about them would never do that. And the New Deal as you know as a PoC wasn’t exactly promising to PoC especially in the South.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:38:24pm

Controversial?

I LOVE BLACK LICORICE

Dog this is not helping with the bundtini evasion.

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KGxvi  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:38:47pm

re: #117 Blind Frog Belly White

“Not A Real Liberal” is what New Jersey Florida Sister said about HRC. I thought, “Dafuq?”

I mean, at a certain point, if you support higher minimum wage; Universal healthcare; an expanded social safety net; affordable or free public education; more regulation of Wall Street, environmental regulations, worker safety, product safety, gun safety, and increased taxes on the wealthy and corporations, I’m not sure what’s left of Liberalism that you aren’t part of.

There’s an argument to be made that Clinton was too risk adverse in her politics, that she’d often be “late to the party” on some issues where there wasn’t a consensus (at least within the party). Of course, given her history in the nineties and aughts, one can understand why she’d be risk adverse.

I’m not saying being risk adverse is necessarily a good thing or a bad thing, but it’s easier to draw a line from risk adverse to many of stylistic criticisms we heard about Clinton.

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alloutofcrazyhere  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:39:04pm

re: #118 goddamnedfrank

As a Street Fighter nut that is hilarious. Were you the one that posted the Dhalism one earlier?

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ObserverArt  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:39:16pm

re: #87 makeitstop

In other news - three of my favorite musical acts (in no particular order)

Snarky Puppy
Biffy Clyro
Dwight Yoakam

are all playing on Long Island tomorrow night. Of course, the wife and I are going into Manhattan to have dinner with friends from Oregon.

Timing is everything. I don’t seem to have it this week.

Dwight is basically a Columbus guy. He was born in Kentucky, but came to Columbus as a youngster. Graduated from old North High School. Even went to OSU for a bit.

He has a bit of classic rock and swing going in his stuff. I think he has a bit of that Bakersfield sound that Buck Owens and some others created.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:39:32pm

re: #130 Stanley Sea

…you wanted help? This was not the place for that.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:40:06pm

So, a little while ago, peeked out the back door checking for any rain approaching before walking the beasts. And surprise, surprise.
I guess now all I have to worry about is the hurricane, since she’s equipped for BMD (Ballistic Missile Defense)

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nines09  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:40:40pm

re: #85 Decatur Deb

Ya Gotta Have Moxie!
And a clear shot to miss people when you heave.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:41:00pm

re: #131 KGxvi

There’s an argument to be made that Clinton was too risk adverse in her politics, that she’d often be “late to the party” on some issues where there wasn’t a consensus (at least within the party). Of course, given her history in the nineties and aughts, one can understand why she’d be risk adverse.

I’m not saying being risk adverse is necessarily a good thing or a bad thing, but it’s easier to draw a line from risk adverse to many of stylistic criticisms we heard about Clinton.

I mean there are fair criticisms to be made of her but when I saw lefties do the “Oh she’s a bitch” thing that’s straight from the RW bullshit that’s been created about her for years, yeah it got annoying. And there was sexism directed at her from the left. Whether it was intended that way or not, it did happen.

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wrenchwench  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:41:51pm

re: #130 Stanley Sea

Controversial?

I LOVE BLACK LICORICE

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Dog this is not helping with the bundtini evasion.

I hate licorice. Almost downding worthy. When my older brother wanted to torture me, he’d eat some and breathe on me.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:42:42pm

re: #130 Stanley Sea

Controversial?

I LOVE BLACK LICORICE

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Dog this is not helping with the bundtini evasion.

Not controversial at all, you’re wrong.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:42:48pm

re: #138 wrenchwench

I hate licorice. Almost downding worthy. When my older brother wanted to torture me, he’d eat some and breathe on me.

I eat black licorice. My mom eats it. My dad and sister abhor the stuff. Makes it easy to tell who’s been raiding the jelly bean bowl.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:42:54pm

re: #77 Blind Frog Belly White

Never really like Mallo Cups, myself. More of a Clark Bar kind of guy.

I liked Mallo Cups twin from the same company, Smoothies. I have not seen those in many years, but as a kid I did cut out the little catalogue coins (once got one that said $25).

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ObserverArt  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:43:06pm

re: #105 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Sean Fucking Hannity, are you serious? Ugh. I knew the dude was lowbrow, but wow, what a putz.

Well, true if you accept Fox News as the decision maker on who is and isn’t a terrorist.

I don’t. : )

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Stanley Sea  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:43:17pm

Chuck, the yam whisperer.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:43:40pm

Gov. Brown denied her parole last year, could do it again

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:43:56pm

I see the left contend that the party’s moved too far to the right but let’s ask ourselves what’s considered a conservative Dem now versus 20 or even 10 years ago.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:44:12pm

re: #142 ObserverArt

Well, true if you accept Fox News as the decision maker on who is and isn’t a terrorist.

I don’t. : )

My incredulity was that they would actually stoop to saying such a thing on the air. Faux News is dumb, but I had no idea they were that dumb.

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stpaulbear  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:44:23pm

re: #128 Anymouse 🌹

Are there any incredibly bulky items that you’ve been putting off buying? Now’s your chance.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:44:54pm

re: #144 FormerDirtDart

Gov. Brown denied her parole last year, could do it again

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Does the gov have the final say? Honestly, I don’t know. I very much doubt she’d kill again but at the same time, she did take part in some heinous murders.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:45:29pm

re: #138 wrenchwench

I hate licorice. Almost downding worthy. When my older brother wanted to torture me, he’d eat some and breathe on me.

Black only.

No red fake shit.

And I know good n plenty is a lower example of licorice, but I can find it!

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:45:34pm
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Skip Intro  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:45:35pm

re: #114 lawhawk

re: #116 Decatur Deb

re: #113 HappyWarrior

Would you pricks shut the fuck up, I’m trying to get some sleep here.

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lawhawk  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:45:36pm

re: #143 Stanley Sea

Gateway needs serious amounts of funding, and the GOP isn’t in a giving mood. There’s nothing that Trump can offer that McConnell or Ryan would be in the mood to give towards this vital infrastructure.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:45:36pm

re: #123 BeachDem

And much less important, but sure to make the yam and melon so very sad:

Best-dressed list honors Obamas, snubs Trumps

rawstory.com

Stilettos, long ties and red MAGA hats just ain’t cool.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:45:45pm

re: #131 KGxvi

There’s an argument to be made that Clinton was too risk adverse in her politics, that she’d often be “late to the party” on some issues where there wasn’t a consensus (at least within the party). Of course, given her history in the nineties and aughts, one can understand why she’d be risk adverse.

I’m not saying being risk adverse is necessarily a good thing or a bad thing, but it’s easier to draw a line from risk adverse to many of stylistic criticisms we heard about Clinton.

What I don’t get, and never will understand is the HATRED of her from the Left. My sister, who adored Obama, absolutely despises HRC, even though there’s hardly any daylight between them on any issues. It’s like she sees it as a badge of honor, that she’s ‘never liked Hillary Clinton, ever!’

Did she drown their favorite puppy?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:45:45pm

re: #128 Anymouse 🌹

What happened to your transportation? My attendance in the land of the lizardfolk has been spotty, to say the least.

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Skip Intro  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:47:01pm

re: #118 goddamnedfrank

Please take out Limbaugh’s palace too.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:47:10pm

re: #130 Stanley Sea

Controversial?

I LOVE BLACK LICORICE

[Embedded content]

Dog this is not helping with the bundtini evasion.

How do you feel about people who put pineapple on their licorice?

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ObserverArt  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:47:17pm

re: #112 Kragar

What the hell do you mean by that, asshole?
/

re: #113 HappyWarrior

I don’t know fuckwad, ask your mom!

re: #114 lawhawk

If I wanted your goddamned opinion, I’d have given it to you. ///

Is this a tune-up for late night here?

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Single-handed sailor  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:47:27pm

I tried out a Google Earth .kml file from the NHC.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:47:35pm

re: #147 stpaulbear

Are there any incredibly bulky items that you’ve been putting off buying? Now’s your chance.

I suggested to my wife now is a good time to buy a lawn mower.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:47:37pm

re: #130 Stanley Sea

Controversial?

I LOVE BLACK LICORICE

[Embedded content]

Dog this is not helping with the bundtini evasion.

All people with good taste do.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:48:06pm

butthurt

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:48:15pm

re: #155 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

What happened to your transportation? My attendance in the land of the lizardfolk has been spotty, to say the least.

I hit a deer coming home from the hospital nine days ago. My car is in a car hospital in Sterling, Colo. getting repaired.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:48:22pm

re: #156 Skip Intro

Please take out Limbaugh’s palace too.

We need some serious smiting.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:48:43pm

re: #154 Blind Frog Belly White

What I don’t get, and never will understand is the HATRED of her from the Left. My sister, who adored Obama, absolutely despises HRC, even though there’s hardly any daylight between them on any issues. It’s like she sees it as a badge of honor, that she’s ‘never liked Hillary Clinton, ever!’

Did she drown their favorite puppy?

Yeah both my brothers liked Obama but they can’t stand Hillary. And I have to admit I wasn’t always keen on her either but you know what, I learned about her, not just about what she’s accomplished but about her character and this is an admirable lady who would have made a great president. I really believe that. What the Bros don’t want to accept is many of us really did think not only was Clinton more electable than Sanders but would make a better President. I can’t imagine Sanders handling the difficulty we’re having with North Korea but I can Clinton.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:48:45pm

re: #157 b.d. (bill d.)

How do you feel about people who put pineapple on their licorice?

I accept all pineapple applications.

I’ve been quiet until now.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:48:46pm

re: #163 Anymouse 🌹

I hit a deer coming home from the hospital nine days ago. My car is in a car hospital in Sterling, Colo. getting repaired.

Damn, dude, sorry to hear that. Car troubles suck.

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wrenchwench  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:49:08pm

re: #161 Blind Frog Belly White

All people with good taste do.

Don’t make me come back there with my downding….

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:49:29pm

re: #162 Stanley Sea

butthurt

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Newsflash, everything you’ve talked about as Republicans for years has been a total lie, Jim and you and the Heritage Foundation are directly responsible for a lot of that shit.

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lawhawk  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:49:44pm

re: #158 ObserverArt

Absolutely.

Even though I’m the early morning crew - not the overnight crew.

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wrenchwench  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:51:31pm

Later, lizards. You can take the licorice out of your desks now…

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KGxvi  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:51:52pm

re: #119 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Regarding the ADA, I’m of two minds on this. One the one hand, as a lawyer, I’ve seen plenty of cases where hack lawyers essentially run shake down operations for de minimus violations of the ADA.

Most claims are filed by a small number of serial plaintiffs (and their attorneys) who canvass strip malls and business parks looking for any technical excuse to threaten a business with many thousands of dollars in legal claims. In fact, from 2012 to 2014, 54 percent of all construction-related accessibility complaints in the state were filed by just two law firms, and 14 plaintiffs brought 46 percent of all lawsuits, the California Commission on Disability Access found.

Another example here.

So, some sort of reform is worth considering. Though, I’m not sure that the proposal offered is the right one.

On the other hand, having grown up in commercial construction, I know that most of these issues are going away because new construction is always done to comply with the ADA. Where the issues come up is often old buildings or places where there has not been significant remodels. And some of the required changes can be incredibly costly - and shouldn’t be born by a business that is most likely a tenant.

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retired cynic  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:51:53pm

re: #165 HappyWarrior

I have loved and followed Hillary for 30 years, since I first became aware of her. Doesn’t mean I loved everything she ever did, but real fond, anyway!

Saw a comment on a WaPo article, by commenter egemony: “[DT] couldn’t lead a pack of dogs to a fire hydrant.” I’m still chuckling.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:51:54pm

re: #50 Decatur Deb

The Hill is quietly but relentlessly RW. They write what they dream.

And the comments are the very definition of “go not there.”

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:52:06pm

re: #161 Blind Frog Belly White

All people with good taste do.

I like red licorice, but despise black licorice.

On the other hand, we have Necco candies here, which I am addicted to, and candy cigarettes (though they still have the similar package designs to actual cigarettes, they call them candy sticks on the boxes).

What I really want is Vernors ginger ale. I can get it sometimes on the Air Force base in Wyoming. On our vacation last year, when I went through Michigan I loaded three cases of the stuff in the car to bring back.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:52:44pm

[God] OK, you f*ckers didn’t take the hint after the eclipse I sent [/God]

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electrotek  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:53:23pm
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nines09  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:54:24pm

After Failed Identity Change, Peanut Chews Reclaims Its Goldenberg’s Roots

Good and Plenty
This was burned into your head if you watched Sally Starr or Chief Halftown on Philly cartoon and 3 Stooges shows.

1950s *Good & Plenty* Candy Commercial

Get that out of your head. Good luck.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:54:27pm

re: #173 retired cynic

I have loved and followed Hillary for 30 years, since I first became aware of her. Doesn’t mean I loved everything she ever did, but real fond, anyway!

Saw a comment on a WaPo article, by commenter egemony: “[DT] couldn’t lead a pack of dogs to a fire hydrant.” I’m still chuckling.

I really think a lot of men are threatened by her including a lot of liberal men. Some of the nastiest people I’ve seen be to her are liberal men. They use names for her that they would never use for any other woman but Hillary gets it. One of my friends, someone much more bolder than I calls them out on their double standards. He called out the people crying about Hillary “blaming Bernie only” for her loss and “not taking any responsibility” out by finding old articles showing Kerry and Gore blaming Bin Laden and Bill Clinton for their losses respectively. Didn’t get any answers since he’s dealing with a bunch of idiots who think HRC is the devil incarnate and Sanders is a saint who did nothing wrong the past primary.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:55:12pm

re: #177 electrotek

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I don’t doubt that he was kind and reassuring to them but he’s still an asshole.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:55:15pm

re: #162 Stanley Sea

butthurt

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:55:18pm

So…now Jose and Katia are both hurricanes,
MrBWS left a couple of hours ago (after being home only 4 hours). I’m probably not going to see him again until next month (and that’s a best case scenario…sigh).
I haz a serious sad…

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:55:20pm

re: #148 HappyWarrior

Does the gov have the final say? Honestly, I don’t know. I very much doubt she’d kill again but at the same time, she did take part in some heinous murders.

Yeah, Gov Brown doesn’t need to approve the parole for it to take place, but he can deny it. Like he did last year when the board approved her parole

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Jay C  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:55:35pm

re: #128 Anymouse 🌹

Heh. I hear you, dude, about that “Ford Expedition being the smaller/smallest vehicle available” thing: it happened to us about 1999 in New Mexico: rented an Expedition ‘cuz it was cheaper (and thus *presumably* smaller) - and were thoroughly appalled at the size of it when the Hertz Guy brought it out. On the one hand it was kinda nifty nodding to big-rig truckers at more-or-less eye level while buzzing by them on I-25: OTOH, Mrs. Jay (not to mention our 5’1” friend and her 5’4” husband with whom we were staying) found it a bit hard to get in (or out - ladders were not included).

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:55:49pm

re: #183 FormerDirtDart

Yeah, Gov Brown doesn’t need to approve the parole for it to take place, but he can deny it. Like he did last year when the board approved her parole

Gotcha.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:56:49pm

re: #184 Jay C

One time we did a rental for a full-size sedan for a corporate visit on-site at a client. What were we given? A Dodge Challenger. Sadly, not one of the sporty versions - and let me tell you, a Challenger with a V6 is very sub-par - but we laughed when we saw it and I said, “The partners will NEVER believe you didn’t rent that intentionally.”

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KGxvi  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:57:04pm

re: #154 Blind Frog Belly White

What I don’t get, and never will understand is the HATRED of her from the Left. My sister, who adored Obama, absolutely despises HRC, even though there’s hardly any daylight between them on any issues. It’s like she sees it as a badge of honor, that she’s ‘never liked Hillary Clinton, ever!’

Did she drown their favorite puppy?

I’m not really of the Left, though I consider myself a center-left libertarian, so I can’t speak to that particularly. I really liked Obama, he was the first Democrat to earn my vote for president. But I never had much fondness for Hillary Clinton, it’s a “feel” thing more than a “logic” thing.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:57:29pm

re: #123 BeachDem

And much less important, but sure to make the yam and melon so very sad:

Best-dressed list honors Obamas, snubs Trumps

rawstory.com

It still puzzles me why a “billionaire” like Trump refuses to wear a decently tailored suit. He dresses like some schlub working at a used-car lot. Orson Welles was a big man, but he looked great in his suits.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:58:01pm

re: #187 KGxvi

I’m not really of the Left, though I consider myself a center-left libertarian, so I can’t speak to that particularly. I really liked Obama, he was the first Democrat to earn my vote for president. But I never had much fondness for Hillary Clinton, it’s a “feel” thing more than a “logic” thing.

And you know what? That’s okay. You can talk about her without resorting to sexism and double standards.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:58:27pm

re: #175 Anymouse 🌹

I like red licorice, but despise black licorice.

On the other hand, we have Necco candies here, which I am addicted to, and candy cigarettes (though they still have the similar package designs to actual cigarettes, they call them candy sticks on the boxes).

What I really want is Vernors ginger ale. I can get it sometimes on the Air Force base in Wyoming. On our vacation last year, when I went through Michigan I loaded three cases of the stuff in the car to bring back.

Ale-8-1, man. Beats Vernors hands down. Kentucky lizards know what I’m talking about.

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Skip Intro  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:58:32pm

re: #181 Blind Frog Belly White

Surely there’s a wingnut Congressman from a blood red district with no clue what the Fed does he could appoint.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:58:35pm

re: #188 wheat-dogg

It still puzzles me why a “billionaire” like Trump refuses to wear a decently tailored suit. He dresses like some schlub working at a used-car lot. Orson Welles was a big man, but he looked great in his suits.

Too busy thinking about Ivanka to think about actually dressing decently.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:58:35pm

So positive news. Property management seems to have grasped the possible hazards involved with the approaching hurricane.
A couple dumpsters have materialized for the collection of re-siding residue.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:59:00pm

re: #181 Blind Frog Belly White

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Wraithdom

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 4:59:21pm

re: #181 Blind Frog Belly White

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Sucks to be you Gary. You should have just resigned and saved what little integrity you might have had.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:00:02pm

re: #186 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

One time we did a rental for a full-size sedan for a corporate visit on-site at a client. What were we given? A Dodge Challenger. Sadly, not one of the sporty versions - and let me tell you, a Challenger with a V6 is very sub-par - but we laughed when we saw it and I said, “The partners will NEVER believe you didn’t rent that intentionally.”

Must have been the old 3.5L V6. The newer Pentastar V6 is good for 305 hp, and is a whole second faster 0-60.

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majii  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:00:20pm

re: #162 Stanley Sea

“butthurt”

GOPers are acting like they don’t have a choice in the matter. They do: They can vote against it and accept the consequences of having the US default on it debts and obligations and citizens in Texas go without Harvey assistance. I don’t understand them b*tching when they already know enough of them will vote for the deal even if they don’t like it. I think their complaining is a risk to them in that most of the GOP base is A-OK with whatever Trump does. If this is the political hill on which they choose to die, they can pick a fight with him and be tortured by their own party members. Meanwhile, I’m buying more popcorn.

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Skip Intro  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:01:47pm

re: #188 wheat-dogg

It still puzzles me why a “billionaire” like Trump refuses to wear a decently tailored suit. He dresses like some schlub working at a used-car lot. Orson Welles was a big man, but he looked great in his suits.

I understand he’s a bathrobe guy, like Hugh Hefner.

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stpaulbear  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:02:20pm

re: #162 Stanley Sea

Maybe McConnell should do everything he can to make Trump a one-term president.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:02:31pm

re: #177 electrotek

Right up until he walked away and forgot who the hell they were, and where he was.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:02:50pm

re: #191 Skip Intro

Surely there’s a wingnut Congressman from a blood red district with no clue what the Fed does he could appoint.

I heard he wants to appoint Goldbugs to the Fed. It’s about his speed.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:02:59pm

re: #198 Skip Intro

I understand he’s a bathrobe guy, like Hugh Hefner.

Hugh looks good in his bathrobe. Donnie looks like your creepy uncle who you don’t want your daughter spending any time alone with.

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JordanRules  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:03:20pm

re: #187 KGxvi

Lots of folks say that about her and you scratch just below the surface and find some ugly stuff relating to her having lady bits.

I do not think it’s the case with you, unless you start to act and talk crazy about her LOL but I do wish folks with just that bad feeling could find and articulate actual reasons.

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Skip Intro  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:04:53pm

re: #202 HappyWarrior

I doubt that Hugh buys them off the rack at TJ Max, or whatever cut rate store is still carrying Ivanka’s junk.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:04:56pm

re: #198 Skip Intro

I understand he’s a bathrobe guy, like Hugh Hefner.

Hefner had silk robes, IIRC. Trump goes for the white terry cloth kind.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:05:31pm

re: #203 JordanRules

Lots of folks say that about her and you scratch just below the surface and find some ugly stuff relating to her having lady bits.

I do not think it’s the case with you, unless you start to act and talk crazy about her LOL but I do wish folks with just that bad feeling could find and articulate actual reasons.

I really think there’s this image of her that’s been fostered well over two decades now about her. It’s why I think a lot of the sexism directed at her by lefties isn’t done consciously.- not that it makes it right but I see lefty men and women talk about her the way they’d be appalled if it was one of their favorites talked about that way.

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Jay C  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:05:55pm

re: #202 HappyWarrior

Hugh looks good in his bathrobe. Donnie looks like your creepy uncle who you don’t nobody want[s] your his own daughter spending any time alone with.

Edited.

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unproven innocence  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:06:15pm

re: #154 Blind Frog Belly White

What I don’t get, and never will understand is the HATRED of her from the Left. My sister, who adored Obama, absolutely despises HRC, even though there’s hardly any daylight between them on any issues. It’s like she sees it as a badge of honor, that she’s ‘never liked Hillary Clinton, ever!’

Did she drown their favorite puppy?

Both Bill and Hillary are associated with Arkansas, in most people’s minds. Specifically, Little Rock, so here’s a Klu: Integration of Central High School

In a key event of the American Civil Rights Movement, nine black students enrolled at formerly all-white Central High School in Little Rock, Arkansas, in September 1957, testing a landmark 1954 U.S. Supreme Court ruling that declared segregation in public schools unconstitutional. The court had mandated that all public schools in the country be integrated “with all deliberate speed” in its decision related to the groundbreaking case Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka. On September 4, 1957, the first day of classes at Central High, Governor Orval Faubus of Arkansas called in the state National Guard to bar the black students’ entry into the school. Later in the month, President Dwight D. Eisenhower sent in federal troops to escort the “Little Rock Nine” into the school, and they started their first full day of classes on September 25.

The decades-long Clinton hate is not logical, and rarely close to rational.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:06:38pm

re: #172 KGxvi

Regarding the ADA, I’m of two minds on this. One the one hand, as a lawyer, I’ve seen plenty of cases where hack lawyers essentially run shake down operations for de minimus violations of the ADA.

Another example here.

So, some sort of reform is worth considering. Though, I’m not sure that the proposal offered is the right one.

On the other hand, having grown up in commercial construction, I know that most of these issues are going away because new construction is always done to comply with the ADA. Where the issues come up is often old buildings or places where there has not been significant remodels. And some of the required changes can be incredibly costly - and shouldn’t be born by a business that is most likely a tenant.

It’s a fair point. I see the other side of it too though - mr. klys’s father is in a wheelchair with very little mobility otherwise. Even at places that are supposedly compliant, it can be a struggle at times. He doesn’t make a big deal about it, but it wears on you to have limited options sometimes. (An example: on our last trip to Ocracoke with them, the ferry was absolutely not accessible if you were in a wheelchair. He was stuck in the car the entire time on board the ferry.)

There is probably a better middle solution but I’m pretty sure this isn’t that.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:06:55pm
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Eventual Carrion  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:07:21pm

re: #94 plansbandc

Zero Bar is my fave retro candy bar.

Marathon bar

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CleverToad  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:07:31pm

re: #149 Stanley Sea

Black only.

No red fake shit.

And I know good n plenty is a lower example of licorice, but I can find it!

My mother loves black licorice. We’ve been scouring the internet for the Smith Brothers black licorice throat drops for several years now, but weren’t able to find them on the last wild hunt. She had to settle for Ludens Honey Licorice for this batch. Will have to check again when/if she runs out of her current stash.

Me, I don’t touch the stuff.

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JordanRules  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:08:17pm

re: #206 HappyWarrior

Yup, totally agreed.

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makeitstop  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:08:46pm

re: #130 Stanley Sea

Controversial?

I LOVE BLACK LICORICE

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Dog this is not helping with the bundtini evasion.

Team Licorice, assemble! I’m in.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:09:20pm

I think the left has a resentment against the Clintons for the third way that Bill pioneered and I admit that I’m not exactly a huge third way fan and Bill had a lot of policies i.e. welfare reform that I didn’t like but at the same time, the left at that time thought you could still run a New Deal type campaign in a post New Deal coalition world. That’s mistaken and I have no problem with the Dems reaching out to small business owners or even corporations who share an inclusive vision of the world.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:09:27pm

re: #214 makeitstop

Team Licorice, assemble! I’m in.

Sign me up, too.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:10:56pm

re: #213 JordanRules

Yup, totally agreed.

I mean I was guilty of that myself in a lot of ways but I really did make a big effort to learn more about her and her accomplishments and how she is as a person. She’s a likable lady. Ambitious? Yes but you know what, why should we hold that against her, we have ambitions ourselves and these people are going to tell me that their favorite leaders aren’t ambitious in their own right?

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makeitstop  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:12:13pm

re: #133 ObserverArt

He has a bit of classic rock and swing going in his stuff. I think he has a bit of that Bakersfield sound that Buck Owens and some others created.

The swing in his stuff seems so innate. He has a feel for singing it, and he always seems to have a band that can lay it down like the olden days.

And he loved/i> Buck. They even made a record together.

Dwight Yoakam and Buck Owens Streets of Bakersfield

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:13:42pm

2020’s going to be interesting for me to watch. I hope we have a fairly big field. Not too damn big where every Democrat is running but big enough that we get a lot of exposure to new people and their perspectives. I like Joe Biden a lot but I hope he doesn’t run just as I hope Clinton and Sanders don’t.

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plansbandc  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:14:14pm

No licorice for me, but dude LOVES it. Would love to find some nice quality sugar free black licorice for him, but have had no luck

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:15:02pm

re: #187 KGxvi

I’m not really of the Left, though I consider myself a center-left libertarian, so I can’t speak to that particularly. I really liked Obama, he was the first Democrat to earn my vote for president. But I never had much fondness for Hillary Clinton, it’s a “feel” thing more than a “logic” thing.

Hillary suffers from having been born when she was.

Her generation of women really had to walk a fine line. You had to be smarter than the boys but never show it. You couldn’t show too much emotion. You had to take a lot of shit, to show you were ‘one of the boys’. You couldn’t dress, or even BE too feminine, or they wouldn’t take you seriously but if you weren’t feminine ENOUGH, they’d write you off as a Lesbian.

Everyone bitches about her being cold and unemotional, but the moment she lets her guard down she gets pounced on. No wonder she’s reserved, maybe a little aloof in her interactions with strangers.

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nines09  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:15:17pm

re: #218 makeitstop

PETE ANDERSON - TELEMASTER !! 1986

Pete. Dwight.

Gotta go.

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meteor  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:15:54pm

re: #94 plansbandc

Mine too.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:16:22pm

re: #221 Blind Frog Belly White

Hillary suffers from having been born when she was.

Her generation of women really had to walk a fine line. You had to be smarter than the boys but never show it. You couldn’t show too much emotion. You had to take a lot of shit, to show you were ‘one of the boys’. You couldn’t dress, or even BE too feminine, or they wouldn’t take you seriously but if you weren’t feminine ENOUGH, they’d write you off as a Lesbian.

Everyone bitches about her being cold and unemotional, but the moment she lets her guard down she gets pounced on. No wonder she’s reserved, maybe a little aloof in her interactions with strangers.

That’s a good point too.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:17:30pm

re: #208 unproven innocence

Both Bill and Hillary are associated with Arkansas, in most people’s minds. Specifically, Little Rock, so here’s a Klu: Integration of Central High School

The decades-long Clinton hate is not logical, and rarely close to rational.

That makes no sense to me. For fuck’s sake, she grew up in ILLINOIS!!! And Bill was in High School then.

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JordanRules  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:18:06pm

re: #217 HappyWarrior

I was guilty as well. She inspired me so much when Bill was in office, but I had a lot of issues with her and her campaign against Obama. Couple this with how the decades of attacks kinda seeped in. Then Obama picked her for SOS and she learned from her previous campaign and took some really important stances. I examined how I felt more and learned a ton more about her. I became so impressed with her and beat back some of my own misogynistic self doubt too.

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LastYearsMan  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:18:22pm

re: #115 KGxvi

Is there a rational reason for having the debt limit?

As a non-American, I find the US debt limit to be one of the oddest and stupidest features of your government. Makes zero sense. No one else does it.

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ObserverArt  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:19:04pm

re: #154 Blind Frog Belly White

What I don’t get, and never will understand is the HATRED of her from the Left. My sister, who adored Obama, absolutely despises HRC, even though there’s hardly any daylight between them on any issues. It’s like she sees it as a badge of honor, that she’s ‘never liked Hillary Clinton, ever!’

Did she drown their favorite puppy?

The Vast Right Wing Conspiracy for over 20 years…worked.

It is that simple. It worked for wingnuts, it worked on leftists.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:19:54pm

re: #226 JordanRules

I was guilty as well. She inspired me so much when Bill was in office, but I had a lot of issues with her and her campaign against Obama. Couple this with how the decades of attacks kinda seeped in. Then Obama picked her for SOS and she learned from her previous campaign and took some really important stances. I examined how I felt more and learned a ton more about her. I became so impressed with her and beat back some of my own misogynistic self doubt too.

Yeah, I really didn’t like how she ran against Obama in 2008. And I ahd the same observations you did after Obama picked her SOS. I initially hated it but I acknowledged she was qualified and she did a great job.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:19:58pm

re: #206 HappyWarrior

I really think there’s this image of her that’s been fostered well over two decades now about her. It’s why I think a lot of the sexism directed at her by lefties isn’t done consciously.- not that it makes it right but I see lefty men and women talk about her the way they’d be appalled if it was one of their favorites talked about that way.

After watching Bernie Bros savage people like Cory Booker and Kamala Harris, I think there’s a lot of racism, as well as sexism on the Left that goes unrecognized.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:20:04pm

re: #188 wheat-dogg

It still puzzles me why a “billionaire” like Trump refuses to wear a decently tailored suit. He dresses like some schlub working at a used-car lot. Orson Welles was a big man, but he looked great in his suits.

I’m going to guess: he would have to strip down to his skivvies to be measured for a bespoke suit and that would expose him to being “fat-shamed” by the sartorial professional (even if they never said a word or changed their facial expression)

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nines09  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:20:10pm

One more…….

Eddy Shaver with Dwight….

Dwight Yoakam - Little Sister……..rare……with Eddy Shaver

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:20:54pm

re: #225 Blind Frog Belly White

That makes no sense to me. For fuck’s sake, she grew up in ILLINOIS!!! And Bill was in High School then.

My favorite are the purist assholes who hate on her for being a Goldwater supporter in HS. I mean really. I don’t think Reagan got too much grief for being a Democrat well into his adulthood from Republicans.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:20:58pm

re: #212 CleverToad

My mother loves black licorice. We’ve been scouring the internet for the Smith Brothers black licorice throat drops for several years now, but weren’t able to find them on the last wild hunt. She had to settle for Ludens Honey Licorice for this batch. Will have to check again when/if she runs out of her current stash.

Me, I don’t touch the stuff.

I think I recall the Smith Bros!!

My Mom passed down the love of black licorice.

I did not inherit her love of Marmite tho. So.

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Jay C  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:21:45pm

re: #221 Blind Frog Belly White

Hillary suffers from having been born when she was.

Her generation of women really had to walk a fine line. You had to be smarter than the boys but never show it. You couldn’t show too much emotion. You had to take a lot of shit, to show you were ‘one of the boys’. You couldn’t dress, or even BE too feminine, or they wouldn’t take you seriously but if you weren’t feminine ENOUGH, they’d write you off as a Lesbian.

Everyone bitches about her being cold and unemotional, but the moment she lets her guard down she gets pounced on. No wonder she’s reserved, maybe a little aloof in her interactions with strangers.

And do you think that the NEXT woman candidate* won’t be likely to receive the exact same treatment?

*The next *Democratic* woman, that is: for some “inexplicable” reason, sexist stereotypes and prejudices don’t harped on as much when generic Ms. Candidate dutifully parrots the GOP/RW “line”….

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JordanRules  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:21:49pm

re: #230 Blind Frog Belly White

Way more than folks like to admit.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:22:55pm

re: #230 Blind Frog Belly White

After watching Bernie Bros savage people like Cory Booker and Kamala Harris, I think there’s a lot of racism, as well as sexism on the Left that goes unrecognized.

Definitely that as well. I really really hate how they’re treating Kamala by the way. She joins up with Bernie and it’s “Oh she’s only doing this because she’s running for President.” Yeah how dare she have ambitions of her own. Not to mention she has an accomplished record in her own right. You’re right, there definitely is. And we saw it directed at the black and Hispanic voters who dared to prefer HRC over Bernie last year. Nearly every hardcore Berniebro I know is white and exempting Nina Turner most I’ve seen in the media are too.

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unproven innocence  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:23:01pm

re: #225 Blind Frog Belly White

That makes no sense to me. For fuck’s sake, she grew up in ILLINOIS!!! And Bill was in High School then.

I’m not suggesting it’s sensible. Hatred rarely is.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:23:03pm

re: #231 The Vicious Babushka

I’m going to guess: he would have to strip down to his skivvies to be measured for a bespoke suit and that would expose him to being “fat-shamed” by the sartorial professional (even if they never said a word or changed their facial expression)

The huge suits and long ties are almost certainly because HE thinks it hides just how fat he’s gotten. I’m willing to bet he gets measured for them, but wants it to be big and loose because he believes it hide the bulk.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:23:51pm

re: #236 JordanRules

Way more than folks like to admit.

For me, it was something I realized in 2008. And I saw some of it from Sanders when he and his surrogates completely dismissed the coalition Obama built.

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LastYearsMan  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:24:49pm

It took me a while to come around on Hillary, but I respect the hell out of her work. But I also think it fair to say she is not a good campaigner and lacks a certain type of political charisma. And this goes beyond sexism because a lot of people like, say, Elizabeth Warren who don’t like Hillary.

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scottslemmons  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:25:00pm

re: #218 makeitstop

The swing in his stuff seems so innate. He has a feel for singing it, and he always seems to have a band that can lay it down like the olden days.

And he loved/i> Buck. They even made a record together.

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That song was hitting big when I got my first job in radio. I played it as hard as I could every time I got a chance.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:25:47pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:27:00pm

re: #235 Jay C

And do you think that the NEXT woman candidate* won’t be likely to receive the exact same treatment?

*The next *Democratic* woman, that is: for some “inexplicable” reason, sexist stereotypes and prejudices don’t harped on as much when generic Ms. Candidate dutifully parrots the GOP/RW “line”….

The next woman candidate will probably be of a younger generation, and will have grown up when it was okay for women to be outspoken. I was disheartened during the campaign to read that most younger women didn’t see what the big deal of a woman President would be. They grew up with the expectation that it was possible.

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William Lewis  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:27:17pm

Frozen Mallo Cops

Nuff said.

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LastYearsMan  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:27:26pm

Black licorice is awesome. But here in Korea, we only have lemon and cherry — and both are recent additions. Licorice is mostly considered medicinal here.

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BeachDem  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:27:32pm

re: #221 Blind Frog Belly White

Hillary suffers from having been born when she was.

Her generation of women really had to walk a fine line. You had to be smarter than the boys but never show it. You couldn’t show too much emotion. You had to take a lot of shit, to show you were ‘one of the boys’. You couldn’t dress, or even BE too feminine, or they wouldn’t take you seriously but if you weren’t feminine ENOUGH, they’d write you off as a Lesbian.

Everyone bitches about her being cold and unemotional, but the moment she lets her guard down she gets pounced on. No wonder she’s reserved, maybe a little aloof in her interactions with strangers.

I agree with all you’ve said. And the sad thing is that she’s NOT aloof with strangers—at least she wasn’t when I met her at an event. She was warm and engaging and is the selfie queen—stood there and took selfies with anyone who asked—even did the camera work. (of course, when it was my turn, the lady behind me said she’d take the picture and got a nice image of the carpet.)

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JordanRules  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:29:39pm

re: #247 BeachDem

Had a coworker who met her and said the same thing. I don’t find her aloof either.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:30:55pm

re: #247 BeachDem

I agree with all you’ve said. And the sad thing is that she’s NOT aloof with strangers—at least she wasn’t when I met her at an event. She was warm and engaging and is the selfie queen—stood there and took selfies with anyone who asked—even did the camera work. (of course, when it was my turn, the lady behind me said she’d take the picture and got a nice image of the carpet.)

We don’t get to see that side of her because there’s a narrative about her that was created before or when a lot of these really young voters who hate her were born. I guess I’m a little easy on them because I once bought that crap but on the other hand, if people actually did read about her and see what she’s done for people including total strangers, they’d see a warm and compassionate person. Listening to her and Sanders last year, I found her far more inclusive. She talked about people with disabilities like me. As much as I appreciated that Sanders wanted affordable education for all, affordable education isn’t the only issue going on, Hillary I really do firmly believe is not only more intelligent than Sanders, is equally if not more progressive, but is also more compassionate than he is.

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LastYearsMan  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:31:07pm

re: #247 BeachDem

I agree with all you’ve said. And the sad thing is that she’s NOT aloof with strangers

I’ve heard Hillary is great in person. Although even Trump apparently has the ability to be charming one-on-one (not that I’m equating them AT ALL).

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:31:23pm

re: #248 JordanRules

Had a coworker who met her and said the same thing. I don’t find her aloof either.

And there you go. Her image is cold, calculating, unemotional, phony. But that’s not her at all.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:31:28pm

re: #248 JordanRules

Had a coworker who met her and said the same thing. I don’t find her aloof either.

They think she’s aloof because they’ve been told whether by comics or pundits “Hillary’s cold man.”

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:33:08pm

re: #243 Charles Johnson

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unpossible!

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Jay C  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:33:21pm

re: #239 Blind Frog Belly White

The huge suits and long ties are almost certainly because HE thinks it hides just how fat he’s gotten. I’m willing to bet he gets measured for them, but wants it to be big and loose because he believes it hide the bulk.

Yeah: as much money as Cheeto Benito has, it couldn’t be THAT much of a problem to find some tailor to stitch up some suits that would make him look like Park Avenue Hercules (which, after all, is why “bespoke” tailors still have an industry). Except that to Trump (IMHO), his outfits are basically a “costume” - seriously, he’s dressed the same, standardized way for decades - and that how he looks as “President” is, to him, irrelevant. Since “ratings” are his main goal, keeping the “popular character” (in his easily-recognizable costume) going is the main thing…

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:33:55pm

new refrigerator saga continues with appropriate plot devices of miscommunications and consequent tragic lost opportunities

our movie reviewer calls it “a pungent metaphor for the disintegration of the social contract of the 20th century…”

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:34:13pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:34:33pm

re: #254 Jay C

Yeah: as much money as Cheeto Benito has, it couldn’t be THAT much of a problem to find some tailor to stitch up some suits that would make him look like Park Avenue Hercules (which, after all, is why “bespoke” tailors still have an industry). Except that to Trump (IMHO), his outfits are basically a “costume” - seriously, he’s dressed the same, standardized way for decades - and that how he looks as “President” is, to him, irrelevant. Since “ratings” are his main goal, keeping the “popular character” (in his easily-recognizable costume) going is the main thing…

Right. Hence that stupid hairdo.

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JordanRules  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:35:40pm

re: #252 HappyWarrior

And her disdain for the media is completely understandable. She may be aloof to them which is well earned and smart.

Many of them apparently like a weird abusive dynamic like with agent orange. Blech!!

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:35:58pm

You know re: Hillary, I’m reminded of an old Family Guy gag. Brian’s reading a magazine and goes “You know, I don’t care what anybody says, I like Hillary Clinton.” And I think that just illustrates so well. So many people were reluctant to talk about how they felt about Hillary on social media either because they didn’t want to get ambushed by holier than thou lefties or righties who think she should be killed. Hillary Clinton is a woman. A woman with strengths and flaws. She made mistakes in the election but she also has a lot of legitimate gripes and sorry Bros, some of them are at your guy who did act like a condescending dick to her and her supporters at times.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:36:36pm

re: #256 FormerDirtDart

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Good guy with a gun.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:36:45pm

From the previous thread (I’m trying to catch up):

Such an idea goes beyond stripping voting rights, at least if it was applied the same way Germany did. It strips citizenship (the original Nuremberg Laws called those who did not meet the correct criteria “subjects, not citizens”).

Even as suggested in the comment though, I would lose my right to vote.

Taking voting rights does more than simply ban you from casting a ballot: I would lose my seat on my village board (you have to be a registered voter to run for office here). You can be banned from jury duty in many states.

Take it the further step and strip citizenship (UN resolutions on that not withstanding) and you can take a whole host of benefits away from people.

re: #470 HappyWarrior

The more honest ones like Coulter admit it when they talk about having a Nuremberg like citizenship law. Annie’s idea is that only people with all four grandparents born in the US can vote which would mean for me despite the fact that my first immigrant ancestor arrived here in George Washington’s time, I would be the first to be able to vote in my family as all four my mom’s grandparents were immigrants and one of my Dad’s. The GOP knows they shit the bed with minority voters. Instead of admitting error or trying to be more welcoming, they want this because they know they’re a failure of a party when Americans of all backgrounds vote.

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BeachDem  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:37:05pm

re: #252 HappyWarrior

They think she’s aloof because they’ve been told whether by comics or pundits “Hillary’s cold man.”

When she came for the primary rally here, they needed somebody to pick her up at the airport and I had the chance, but ceded it to a college student who was just so eager to do it, I stepped back.

He drove her to the venue and the entire time she was backstage, she was totally engaged talking to him. He was walking 10 feet off the ground for a long time.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:38:39pm

re: #261 Anymouse 🌹

From the previous thread (I’m trying to catch up):

Such an idea goes beyond stripping voting rights, at least if it was applied the same way Germany did. It strips citizenship (the original Nuremberg Laws called those who did not meet the correct criteria “subjects, not citizens”).

Even as suggested in the comment though, I would lose my right to vote.

Taking voting rights does more than simply ban you from casting a ballot: I would lose my seat on my village board (you have to be a registered voter to run for office here). You can be banned from jury duty in many states.

Take it the further step and strip citizenship (UN resolutions on that not withstanding) and you can take a whole host of benefits away from people.

Heh I like how you can go from page to page like that. But you’re right, losing your suffrage is so much more than just that. It really disturbs me we have people talk about doing away with birthright citizenship. Several of my mom’s aunts and uncles became citizens that way. Her parents didn’t but my grandparents were younger children and were born post-naturalization.

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stpaulbear  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:38:44pm

The office shop has Wiley Wallaby’s licorice which is really good. Reading this thread makes me want to buy some, but it’s the kind of snack that I don’t dare keep around the house any more. Carb city. I love the Allsorts but if I had a bag in the house it would be gone in two days.

Amazon has them too, but they’re a lot cheaper at Fleet Farm. The owner of Fleet Farm is a Scott Walker loving asshole. He ran for congress in MN but fortunately lost.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:40:29pm

re: #262 BeachDem

When she came for the primary rally here, they needed somebody to pick her up at the airport and I had the chance, but ceded it to a college student who was just so eager to do it, I stepped back.

He drove her to the venue and the entire time she was backstage, she was totally engaged talking to him. He was walking 10 feet off the ground for a long time.

I really did enjoy learning more about her at the convention. That undercover work she did to expose the racism going on. That was bold as hell. I mean I respected what I heard about what Sanders did with the CR movement too but it really seems to me that HRC went above and beyond and I know that’s something that means something to black voters especially older ones who can remember Jim Crow.

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ObserverArt  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:40:29pm

I know some on the left that didn’t like Hillary because of NAFTA.

Yep, there it is.

If you want to hate, you can always find a way.

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makeitstop  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:40:50pm

re: #178 nines09

This was burned into your head if you watched Sally Starr or Chief Halftown on Philly cartoon and 3 Stooges shows.

Boom. Exactly how I spent my childhood.

I always liked when the Chief did the live Bosco commercials and mixed a glass on TV.

Bosco referred to itself a ‘milk amplifier.’ I always thought that was kinda cool.

You’ve got me free-associating. I’ll stop now.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:40:51pm

re: #261 Anymouse 🌹

Annie’s idea is that only people with all four grandparents born in the US can vote

that would cut out me & my cousins, my girlfriend, and my XXX wife & her sisters

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Charles Johnson  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:40:52pm

VOTE FOR ME
LGF FIRST
#MLGFGA

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:41:03pm

TBH I’m surprised why people hate licorice. It’s not the best candy but it’s not like it’s butter popcorn jelly bellies or smarties.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:41:38pm

re: #266 ObserverArt

I know some on the left that didn’t like Hillary because of NAFTA.

Yep, there it is.

If you want to hate, you can always find a way.

My grandfather didn’t like Bill because of NAFTA. Still voted for him though and didn’t throw a tantrum over it.

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freetoken  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:41:54pm

re: #269 Charles Johnson

You need cap merch.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:42:46pm

re: #268 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

that would cut out me & my cousins, my girlfriend, and my XXX wife & her sisters

As I’ve said before, makes me the first person in my family that can vote yet my earliest ancestors arrived in Washington’s second term but Mom is fucked because all four her grandparents were foreign born and Dad is too because he had one born in Germany.

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freetoken  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:42:50pm

re: #270 HappyWarrior

TBH I’m surprised why people hate licorice. It’s not the best candy but it’s not like it’s butter popcorn jelly bellies or smarties.

What’s wrong with butter popcorn jelly bellies?

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lawhawk  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:43:02pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:43:30pm

re: #274 freetoken

What’s wrong with butter popcorn jelly bellies?

What’s right with them?

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JordanRules  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:44:02pm
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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:45:01pm

re: #273 HappyWarrior

As I’ve said before, makes me the first person in my family that can vote yet my earliest ancestors arrived in Washington’s second term but Mom is fucked because all four her grandparents were foreign born and Dad is too because he had one born in Germany.

turns out my grampa was an illegal alien since he arrived from poland at the age of four and was never naturalized

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:45:11pm

re: #265 HappyWarrior

I thought the Democratic Convention did a great job of exposing her to the public. She came off as a caring, courageous woman. I was especially touched by her work to ensure that disabled children got an education.

What a shame that she’s not President. Sigh.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:45:21pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:45:45pm

re: #259 HappyWarrior

You know re: Hillary, I’m reminded of an old Family Guy gag. Brian’s reading a magazine and goes “You know, I don’t care what anybody says, I like Hillary Clinton.” And I think that just illustrates so well. So many people were reluctant to talk about how they felt about Hillary on social media either because they didn’t want to get ambushed by holier than thou lefties or righties who think she should be killed. Hillary Clinton is a woman. A woman with strengths and flaws. She made mistakes in the election but she also has a lot of legitimate gripes and sorry Bros, some of them are at your guy who did act like a condescending dick to her and her supporters at times.

Right. It’s like disliking her is the default, and hating her unreasonably is a thoroughly acceptable position, but LIKING her is something you have to hide, or be embarrassed by.

And I get so fucking tired of the whole idea that she should simply vanish away, because she lost. Holy shit! Has John McCain vanished? No! He’s got a permanent seat on the Sunday Shows, and he got SHELLACKED!

And this whole thing about ‘taking responsibility’. “She said she takes responsibility, but then she talks about other factors!” People suck. I tell you, I’m finding myself slipping into misanthropy.

Better than slipping into lycanthropy, I suppose.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:46:33pm

re: #279 Patricia Kayden

I thought the Democratic Convention did a great job of exposing her to the public. She came off as a caring, courageous woman. I was especially touched by her work to ensure that disabled children got an education.

What a shame that she’s not President. Sigh.

They did. And man it breaks my heart that my grandma who just turned 90 will probably never see a woman President in her lifetime.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:46:45pm

re: #277 JordanRules

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Fu-u-u-uck…

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b.d. (bill d.)  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:47:20pm

re: #269 Charles Johnson

VOTE FOR ME
LGF FIRST
#MLGFGA

I’m in
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JordanRules  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:47:39pm

re: #279 Patricia Kayden

I tear up thinking about it a lot. Most qualified and ready to do the work. *Sigh*

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:48:33pm

re: #281 Blind Frog Belly White

Right. It’s like disliking her is the default, and hating her unreasonably is a thoroughly acceptable position, but LIKING her is something you have to hide, or be embarrassed by.

And I get so fucking tired of the whole idea that she should simply vanish away, because she lost. Holy shit! Has John McCain vanished? No! He’s got a permanent seat on the Sunday Shows, and he got SHELLACKED!

And this whole thing about ‘taking responsibility’. “She said she takes responsibility, but then she talks about other factors!” People suck. I tell you, I’m finding myself slipping into misanthropy.

Better than slipping into lycanthropy, I suppose.

No kidding. This idea that she should just shut up and fade away is ridiculous. She has a right to air out her side of the story and if Sanders wants to respond to what she’s published, he’s free to do that too. But yeah “taking responsibility.” That one is my favorite because it’s so petty and ridiculous.You know what, i imagine the stuff about Bernie is only a fraction of the book but it got released because well that’s juicy and juicy sells.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:49:09pm

re: #280 Charles Johnson

need to inflict pain and hurt people. Pelosi and Schumer and just

the people who learn how to do bank shots off of trump’s pathologies will rule him

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freetoken  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:49:14pm

re: #277 JordanRules

Thunderstorms. Typical for Florida. Irma is still 4 days away, maybe a bit less if she speeds up.

Irma will land somewhere on the mainland US. Where is too hard to tell this far out. But it will impact.

Then will come the haranguing again, over funds for devastated areas. Will PR be left out because they speak Spanish?

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makeitstop  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:49:35pm

re: #220 plansbandc

No licorice for me, but dude LOVES it. Would love to find some nice quality sugar free black licorice for him, but have had no luck

Back in the hippie days we used to get licorice root. You don’t chew it as much as you just kinda roll it around in your mouth, but that’s about as low-sugar as you can get. Tastes just like the real thing. :)

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JordanRules  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:50:58pm

re: #288 freetoken

Oh yeah. Just adds to the suspense, fear and logistics of evacuation.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:51:00pm

re: #278 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

turns out my grampa was an illegal alien since he arrived from poland at the age of four and was never naturalized

We recently got my mom’s grandfather’s nat petition. Can’t find him on any manfiests still though. The point is i don’t know if mine were legal or not and that’s part of why I won’t judge someone now. Why the hell should I?

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makeitstop  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:51:26pm

re: #232 nines09

One more…….

Eddy Shaver with Dwight….

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Now ya talkin’. All the Tele tone in the world, right there.

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JordanRules  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:52:04pm

re: #287 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

That person’s name is Vladimir.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:52:29pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:53:32pm

re: #268 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

that would cut out me & my cousins, my girlfriend, and my XXX wife & her sisters

And the President. The current one, and the previous one.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:55:03pm

What leaves a bad taste in my mouth though is how Sanders got a big pass from the left who were enamored with him. Maybe we were just glad to have an unapologetic socialist running for office and maybe the old guy was endearing in many a way but you know what, a couple things, I was bothered how his poor record on immigration was ignored, if I were Hillary, I would have pounced on that, I was a bit peeved that Larry Whitmore who I like got him and not Clinton to respond to Cruz’s trashing of “New York values.”, I know Bernie’s the NYC native and Hillary’s the transplant but Hillary’s the one who has chosen to make her home there while Bern left for lily white Vermont in the 70’s and to me New York is about making it your home, after all my mom’s great aunt whose family settled there first lived in PA then moved there. But I just didn’t like how he could be condescending to Clinton, media, and anyone who asked him difficult questions and they’d just eat it up as “Feeling the Bern.” I don’t think Sanders is a terrible person but I do think he’s not the white knight he was made out to be.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:55:11pm

re: #227 LastYearsMan

As a non-American, I find the US debt limit to be one of the oddest and stupidest features of your government. Makes zero sense. No one else does it.

That’s odd but the worst is the electoral college which pretty much nullifies the “one man - one vote” principle.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:57:02pm

re: #297 Patricia Kayden

That’s odd but the worst is the electoral college which pretty much nullifies the “one man - one vote” principle.

Yep which is why I hate the whole “Yeah Hillary won by three million votes but they were all in California.” Oh? So the fact that they were in California. The problem with the EC is that it makes some votes worth more than others. It’s an outdated scheme that I honestly question why we needed it in the first place but questioning the intents of the Founders may as well be waving a sickle and hammer to some.

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JordanRules  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:59:33pm

re: #296 HappyWarrior

I used to have a pretty forgiving view of him even though, looking back, he probably didn’t deserve it.

Now tho?…fuck him. He is a threat the the Democratic party, not progressive on other ‘identity politics’ except for WWC and kind of a smarmy asshole.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 6, 2017 • 5:59:37pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:00:44pm

I got a honest question for the Bros who contend that Bernie was loved and Hillary was hated. How come when states like Washington did primaries following caucuses, she won there. Maybe your man isn’t the beloved folk hero and maybe Hillary isn’t the hated witch you say she is. Maybe if you got out of your Feel the Bern sized hole, you’d realize that there are people out there that actually not only respect Clinton but gasp like her too. And gasp some of them are just as if not more progrsesive than you are.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:01:13pm

re: #297 Patricia Kayden

That’s odd but the worst is the electoral college which pretty much nullifies the “one man - one vote” principle.

I looked up census figures a while back. The ratio of population of the largest and smallest states in the 1790 census was about 12:1. Now it’s 60:1. The EC was much closer to even representation then.

But, because it gives small state residents power far in excess of their numbers, we won’t get rid of the EC via any Constitutional means. At least not until the GOP loses the Presidency in the EC while winning the popular vote.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:01:31pm

A momentary OT diversion.

I attempted carnitas last week, which ended up coming out more like pulled pork and less like carnitas. Still, because there was a lot of pork, there are a lot of leftovers. So last night I made a mustard-vinegar BBQ sauce and had pulled pork with cauliflower rice and the sauce, plus pickles and some homemade slaw. Not bad.

Tonight I am trying to do a quinoa salad of some sort with the remnants of the pulled pork and trying to think about how to do this. I was sort of thinking a tzatziki sauce with it? And then a Mediterranean twist to the salad? (Olives, bell pepper, red onion, diced cucumber? I might have a little bit of leftover hummus too.)

Looking for opinions.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:01:41pm

re: #299 JordanRules

I used to have a pretty forgiving view of him even though, looking back, he probably didn’t deserve it.

Now tho?…fuck him. He is a threat the the Democratic party, not progressive on other ‘identity politics’ except for WWC and kind of a smarmy asshole.

What I want to happen to him is for him to be a total non-factor in 2020. I want him to make a lot of flops that make people see Bernie for the flawed candidate he was in 2016 but they were too busy hating Clinton to notice.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:01:58pm

re: #300 Charles Johnson

Meanwhile, out of sight of everyone in the Western Hemisphere, someone is negotiating a top secret deal to release the pee tape.

Well, like, that’s ur analysis.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:02:34pm

re: #298 HappyWarrior

Yep which is why I hate the whole “Yeah Hillary won by three million votes but they were all in California.” Oh? So the fact that they were in California. The problem with the EC is that it makes some votes worth more than others. It’s an outdated scheme that I honestly question why we needed it in the first place but questioning the intents of the Founders may as well be waving a sickle and hammer to some.

1 in 8 Americans lives here.

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unproven innocence  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:02:48pm

re: #297 Patricia Kayden

That’s odd but the worst is the electoral college which pretty much nullifies the “one man - one vote” principle.

In my opinion, gerrymandering is a more ugent issue on that score. The EC at least has some positive points, such as not utterly disenfranchising the less populous states, and the more rural areas within states.

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Unshaken Defiance  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:03:13pm
California lawmakers act to name stretch of 134 Freeway in honor of former President Obama

This newly renamed freeway will meet with the Ronald Reagan freeway at a clover leaf. Shall we call it the LGBT transition?

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:03:23pm

re: #296 HappyWarrior

I’ve tried not to dislike Senator Sanders but boy do his rabid supporters make it hard. I’m really hoping that he sits out 2020 and supports the Deocratic Presudential contender and exhorts his supporters to do the same. We can’t afford a full eight years of Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:03:37pm

I admit I’m more chartiable than most are here to Sanders because I did work with quite a few people this spring who genuinely were inspired by him to work for change. At the same time though, I’m very reluctant about being open about not really feeling the Benr and man I hate that. I hate that the right isn’t totally wrong about him even though a lot of their points are bullshit.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:04:02pm

re: #306 Blind Frog Belly White

1 in 8 Americans lives here.

And you make up a big portion of our GDP as well.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:05:05pm

re: #303 klys (maker of Silmarils)

A momentary OT diversion.

I attempted carnitas last week, which ended up coming out more like pulled pork and less like carnitas. Still, because there was a lot of pork, there are a lot of leftovers. So last night I made a mustard-vinegar BBQ sauce and had pulled pork with cauliflower rice and the sauce, plus pickles and some homemade slaw. Not bad.

Tonight I am trying to do a quinoa salad of some sort with the remnants of the pulled pork and trying to think about how to do this. I was sort of thinking a tzatziki sauce with it? And then a Mediterranean twist to the salad? (Olives, bell pepper, red onion, diced cucumber? I might have a little bit of leftover hummus too.)

Looking for opinions.

I think you’re only allowed to pair KEEEEENwaaaaaah with pulled pork if the pork is organic, free-range, and gluten-free.
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:05:07pm

a) It’s a shitty headline.

b) No. No. FUCK NO. You do that you will destroy the geyser fields. It’s been done elsewhere.

Fuck you assholes don’t take away one of the few bits of natural beauty we have left.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:05:12pm

re: #309 Patricia Kayden

I’ve tried not to dislike Senator Sanders but boy do his rabid supporters make it hard. I’m really hoping that he sits out 2020 and supports the Deocratic Presudential contender and exhorts his supporters to do the same. We can’t afford a full eight years of Trump.

I honestly think the best thing he can do is retire but I don’t see that happening. He really likes the new fame he’s gotten the past year. And you know what, I get that. The guy has wanted to spread the message of Dem socialism his entire life and he’s getting the chance to spread it but I think he’s a terrible messager for it.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:05:40pm

re: #311 HappyWarrior

And you make up a big portion of our GDP as well.

And we pay a fuck ton of taxes, as well, to keep moocher states afloat.

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JordanRules  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:05:55pm

re: #303 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Mediterranean bowl sounds great! Could do a Mexican bowl too. Spice up the sauce with chili and add tomatoes, avocado, cilantro etc.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:07:00pm

Can I cheer folks up with the famous #19 on an onion roll from Langer’s Deli here in Los Angeles?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:07:30pm

re: #315 Blind Frog Belly White

And we pay a fuck ton of taxes, as well, to keep moocher states afloat.

You have no idea how much I hate it when ignorant downstate Virginians complain about us here in the liberal Northern part of the state even though we’re quite frankly why this state is prosperous. But they hate us because we’re not dicks to the “other.”

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:07:46pm

re: #317 Joe Bacon 🌹

Can I cheer folks up with the famous #19 on an onion roll from Langer’s Deli here in Los Angeles?

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Yes, yes you can. Pity I already ate though.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:08:26pm

re: #317 Joe Bacon 🌹

Can I cheer folks up with the famous #19 on an onion roll from Langer’s Deli here in Los Angeles?

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Hey, that looks like a really good pickle!

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:08:53pm

re: #316 JordanRules

Mediterranean bowl sounds great! Could do a Mexican bowl too. Spice up the sauce with chili and add tomatoes, avocado, cilantro etc.

A possibility - I do have an avocado on hand, and cilantro. Hmm.

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JordanRules  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:09:14pm

re: #317 Joe Bacon 🌹

Yes you can!
Yum.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:09:17pm

re: #321 klys (maker of Silmarils)

A possibility - I do have an avocado on hand, and cilantro. Hmm.

Decisions, decisions eh.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:11:07pm

re: #320 Blind Frog Belly White

Hey, that looks like a really good pickle!

From the first bite of Langer’s New Pickles you hear that Sonic Crunch and the garlic oozes out!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:11:07pm

re: #318 HappyWarrior

You have no idea how much I hate it when ignorant downstate Virginians complain about us here in the liberal Northern part of the state even though we’re quite frankly why this state is prosperous. But they hate us because we’re not dicks to the “other.”

You hear this all the time. And then there are the people who live in the Big Empty States, bitching that ‘The Cities’ shouldn’t dominate. They dominate, because MORE FUCKING PEOPLE LIVE THERE!!!! I mean, how hard is that to understand? The five residents of Cousinfuck County do not count more than the 800,000 of San Francisco County.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:11:14pm

By the way, I’m going to say something a little bit controversial but I think welfare state socialism has worked in the Nordic countries because they’re not as diverse as ours. It was a lot harder for right wing politicians there to use race baiting to get the electorate to reject those policies. I think that’s one of the reasons why welfare state style economics is difficult to implement in the U.S. It’s true. We do have a larger aversion to socialism than our European friends but at the same time, that is something that I think is a factor.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:11:26pm

re: #184 Jay C

Heh. I hear you, dude, about that “Ford Expedition being the smaller/smallest vehicle available” thing: it happened to us about 1999 in New Mexico: rented an Expedition ‘cuz it was cheaper (and thus *presumably* smaller) - and were thoroughly appalled at the size of it when the Hertz Guy brought it out. On the one hand it was kinda nifty nodding to big-rig truckers at more-or-less eye level while buzzing by them on I-25: OTOH, Mrs. Jay (not to mention our 5’1” friend and her 5’4” husband with whom we were staying) found it a bit hard to get in (or out - ladders were not included).

My wife has trouble getting in and out of the thing too, although the step helps. I offered to stash a trebuchet in the back so we can fling her in, she gave a hard pass to that.

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Unshaken Defiance  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:11:44pm

re: #317 Joe Bacon

Hows MacArthur Park looking over there?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:12:28pm

re: #325 Blind Frog Belly White

You hear this all the time. And then there are the people who live in the Big Empty States, bitching that ‘The Cities’ shouldn’t dominate. They dominate, because MORE FUCKING PEOPLE LIVE THERE!!!! I mean, how hard is that to understand? The five residents of Cousinfuck County do not count more than the 800,000 of San Francisco County.

I especially like being told how that’s “real America.” Well it’s all real America but to be blunt the 800,000 of SFC is more representive of what our country as a whole is than these lily white counties.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:12:55pm

re: #328 Unshaken Defiance

Hows MacArthur Park looking over there?

You can actually walk through it. The gangs, junkies and crackheads are gone.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:13:54pm

re: #324 Joe Bacon 🌹

From the first bite of Langer’s New Pickles you hear that Sonic Crunch and the garlic oozes out!

We have eaten a couple times at a place in San Carlos that makes their own pastrami and maybe also their own pickles. Everyone else in the family ordered something mundane (burgers? when there’s homemade pastrami?), and didn’t want their pickles. No fucking way I was getting ANYTHING but that pastrami, and also eating their pickles!

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:13:57pm

I mean small town America is just as America as NYC is too but I’m sorry but NYC and large cities like that demographically speaking are for more representative of what we are as a whole. And quite frankly, I feel like pushing back on that because I get tired of right wing Virginia politicians pushing downstate voters against us here in the North because they want them to vote against us because we’re terrible social liberals.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:15:02pm

re: #302 Blind Frog Belly White

I looked up census figures a while back. The ratio of population of the largest and smallest states in the 1790 census was about 12:1. Now it’s 60:1. The EC was much closer to even representation then.

But, because it gives small state residents power far in excess of their numbers, we won’t get rid of the EC via any Constitutional means. At least not until the GOP loses the Presidency in the EC while winning the popular vote.

Not perfect, but offers a solution to the problem:
National Popular Vote Interstate Compact (Wikipedia)

Wingnuts have already argued that as an “interstate compact” the Constitution requires approval by Congress (the name was poorly chosen, as it does not meet that definition and has now been ruled on).

It bypasses the problem of smaller states grasping those electoral votes as only the larger states and some middlin’ ones need to approve the law to make it go into force.

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meteor  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:15:08pm
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gocart mozart  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:15:54pm

[Can’t find this tweet right now: twitter.com ]

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lawhawk  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:16:28pm

While focus is mostly on Irma and the roiling mass of hurricanes rolling through the Caribbean or Gulf of Mexico (or soon will be), there’s still some serious wildfires going on out West, including those that have destroyed major landmark Sperry Chalet in Glacier NP, and other fires that have come near Fish Camp in Yosemite (and may have done damage in the sequoia groves).

Oh, yeah, it’s a very active wildfire season.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:17:03pm

re: #326 HappyWarrior

By the way, I’m going to say something a little bit controversial but I think welfare state socialism has worked in the Nordic countries because they’re not as diverse as ours. It was a lot harder for right wing politicians there to use race baiting to get the electorate to reject those policies. I think that’s one of the reasons why welfare state style economics is difficult to implement in the U.S. It’s true. We do have a larger aversion to socialism than our European friends but at the same time, that is something that I think is a factor.

This is where the Southern Democrats fell off the New Deal wagon, right around the time that the benefits of the New Deal were being expanded to Those People.

When everyone is US, it’s hard to point to a THEM, who are living on OUR tax dollars.

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whitebeach  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:17:15pm

re: #243 Charles Johnson

TFW you write a complex SQL query with 3 LEFT JOINs and a subquery and it works the first time, without looking at any docs. Hey now.

This is America. Speak freakin English.

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lawhawk  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:17:57pm

re: #317 Joe Bacon 🌹

Hold the cheese and we’re all good.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:18:13pm

re: #336 lawhawk

While focus is mostly on Irma and the roiling mass of hurricanes rolling through the Caribbean or Gulf of Mexico (or soon will be), there’s still some serious wildfires going on out West, including those that have destroyed major landmark Sperry Chalet in Glacier NP, and other fires that have come near Fish Camp in Yosemite (and may have done damage in the sequoia groves).

Oh, yeah, it’s a very active wildfire season.

Hey, don’t worry about all the spots on that map. Once those fires get big enough and merge with each other, there’ll be fewer spots.
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JordanRules  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:18:54pm

Brava!

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:19:03pm

re: #337 Blind Frog Belly White

This is where the Southern Democrats fell off the New Deal wagon, right around the time that the benefits of the New Deal were being expanded to Those People.

When everyone is US, it’s hard to point to a THEM, who are living on OUR tax dollars.

Not just the Southern Dems but a lot of the WWC Ethnic Dems in the North and Midwest. We correctly talk about Nixon’s Southern Strategy but it was more than that and Reagan really perfected it in a way that Nixon didn’t.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:19:36pm

Joe can talk about the SS’s effect on the Industrial North and Reaganism much better than I can because he lived it. I’m just a mere historian.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:19:56pm

re: #341 JordanRules

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Brava!

Well done.

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Amory Blaine  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:20:54pm

re: #341 JordanRules

That is good news.

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whitebeach  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:21:25pm

re: #156 Skip Intro

Please take out Limbaugh’s palace too.

FTFY.

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Unshaken Defiance  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:21:25pm

re: #330 Joe Bacon

You can actually walk through it. The gangs, junkies and crackheads are gone.

I’ve not been over there since I went to the Mexican Consulate there for a business visa. Ten years. Glad to hear it’s looking up.

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Semper Fi  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:24:56pm

re: #331 Blind Frog Belly White

We have eaten a couple times at a place in San Carlos that makes their own pastrami and maybe also their own pickles. Everyone else in the family ordered something mundane (burgers? when there’s homemade pastrami?), and didn’t want their pickles. No fucking way I was getting ANYTHING but that pastrami, and also eating their pickles!

I love me some pastrami but the heart-burn kicks in mightily even ‘before’ I’m done with the sandwich. What’s a man to do?

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:26:26pm

re: #115 KGxvi

Is there a rational reason for having the debt limit? I am hard pressed to figure out why someone doesn’t just point out that this is a stupid law and not something worth fighting over regularly. Is there a single reason to keep the debt limit beyond being able to pick a political fight that, best case scenario, ends in a Pyrrhic victory for one side?

Public Debt Acts of 1939 and 1941

Debt, such as Liberty Bonds, used to be acquired by any government agency that wanted to raise additional funds. Those debt acts consolidated acquiring debt under the US Treasury. The knock-off effect was that Congress has to approve debt ceiling limits.

Few countries have debt ceiling laws (only Poland has a constitutional requirement limiting debt). Most parliamentary democracies, when they pass spending bills, automatically appropriate any funds and acquire necessary debt.

The government is the big gorilla in the debt markets, thus if the government borrows too much at one time, business and consumers are hurt by rising interest costs. Thus, business and consumer groups both have an interest in keeping the government out of the debt markets.

On the flip side, if the government cannot raise debt due to the two ceiling laws, then it must suspend some operations or raise funds other ways (taxes). Taxes were imposed to pay for the Korean War, so the debt ceiling didn’t apply. It is sometimes now used as a cudgel to limit war spending.

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JordanRules  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:27:20pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:28:11pm

re: #350 JordanRules

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Nice to see the total opposite of price gouging in a time like this. I’ve flown with them before IIRC. Nice airline.

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EPR-radar  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:32:59pm

re: #239 Blind Frog Belly White

The huge suits and long ties are almost certainly because HE thinks it hides just how fat he’s gotten. I’m willing to bet he gets measured for them, but wants it to be big and loose because he believes it hide the bulk.

This kind of thing can’t be hidden. I go for big and loose for comfort, not the lost cause of appearance.

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makeitstop  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:34:12pm

re: #328 Unshaken Defiance

Hows MacArthur Park looking over there?

Melting in the dark.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:35:34pm
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freetoken  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:36:18pm

re: #354 Charles Johnson

Je$u$.

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jaunte  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:38:25pm

re: #354 Charles Johnson

WellActuallys Incoming.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:38:46pm

I wonder if there is a genetic link for liking/hating licorice the same way that there is for cilantro.

The first time that I ate cilantro it tasted like soap, but I have trained myself to enjoy small amounts as long as it’s not the main ingredient. I don’t like licorice, including Sambuca, but I put fennel seeds in rye bread, just as long as they are outnumbered by the caraway seeds. I realize that fennel is not licorice but it is similar enough to trigger the “licorice” taste but without the gag reflex.

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jaunte  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:40:11pm

re: #357 The Vicious Babushka

There must be. I don’t mind a little fennel but eating a big bar of it as a treat is just too much.

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John Carter  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:40:47pm

re: #210 FormerDirtDart

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Triple Kaiiju?

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:41:37pm

Tattoo fails:

Short for Chlamydia?

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ObserverArt  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:42:37pm

I saw mention of gerrymandering above.

Came across this earlier. It’s about John Kasich’s take, but a Republican bill to stop gerrymandering???

Call me skeptical. Imma hold my opinion for further developments.

But again…is this another sign that Kasich is running?

cleveland.com - Ohio Gov. John Kasich joins Supreme Court fight to end gerrymandering

By Rich Exner, cleveland.com rexner@cleveland.com

COLUMBUS, Ohio - Ohio Republican Gov. John Kasich has joined the legal fight against gerrymandering, the political map-drawing process geared toward creating congressional and statehouse districts that sharply favor one party over the other.

In signing an amicus brief in a Wisconsin gerrymandering case before the Supreme Court, Kasich joined former California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, former U.S. Sen. Bob Dole of Kansas and U.S. Sen. John McCain of Arizona, all Republicans.

“As I’ve continued to serve in public office and watched our political divide deepen, I’ve grown increasingly concerned with how primaries are pushing candidates to the extreme right and extreme left, which is creating more polarization and division,” Kasich said in a statement released by the governor’s office.

“The Court has a unique opportunity in this case to support fair, common sense standards for how districts are drawn and put legislators in a better position to work together to effectively govern and get results.”

Toledo Democratic Rep. Marcy Kaptur joined a bipartisan group of U.S. House of Representatives members who filed a separate brief that argued extreme partisan gerrymandering “puts raw partisan position ahead of maintaining coherent political communities and sensibly sized and shaped districts based on traditional districting criteria.”

“A cascade of negative results predictably follows: artificially drawn “safe” districts make the general election uncompetitive and give party insiders and a small core of “base” primary voters wield greater influence than the general electorate,” the brief continued. “Political parties gain influence and obstruct independent, constituent-first representation; compromise with the other side becomes politically impossible even when there are areas of principled agreement and even when the voters want it; and the People grow frustrated with the capacity of the House to govern effectively, causing disillusionment with and disengagement from our democratic process.

…more at link

And speaking of running, I happen to catch just a bit of Tweety Matthews “Hard Ball” tonight and he was talking about some Democratic party candidates for 2020.

Joe Biden, Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders.

Ugh. Sorry, I hope not.

Matthews did have a crazy idea for Binden, Tell the voters you are running for one term only due to age. And also have Kamala Harris has his running mate to usher in The First Woman President.

Interesting. But I still don’t know.

I heard Ohio Rep Tim Ryan was on as Tweety’s first guess and he pushed Ryan hard about the Democrats direction and if Ryan was going to run. I watched the video, thought some might find it interesting in light of tonight’s conversations.

Tweety can be such an ass. I’d like his show if he didn’t say anything.

Iframe

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jaunte  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:42:46pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:44:23pm

re: #362 jaunte

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They’re just desperate for any type of attention at this point.

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freetoken  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:44:52pm

re: #357 The Vicious Babushka

I wonder if there is a genetic link for liking/hating licorice the same way that there is for cilantro.

Don’t know. I like anise, in mild doses. As a child rootbeer was my favorite carbonated drink.

But I’ve never had a fondness for dark licorice.

Speaking of genetics, yes, cilantro tastes sort of soapy to me. And I can smell asparagus in my urine. Both are associated with particular alleles.

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JordanRules  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:45:32pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:46:18pm

re: #365 JordanRules

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Yep pretty pathetic isn’t it.

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jaunte  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:47:43pm

That’s the “Defend the Constitution” House GOP, ignoring the bit about emoluments.

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Interesting Times  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:48:36pm

re: #154 Blind Frog Belly White

What I don’t get, and never will understand is the HATRED of her from the Left. My sister, who adored Obama, absolutely despises HRC, even though there’s hardly any daylight between them on any issues. It’s like she sees it as a badge of honor, that she’s ‘never liked Hillary Clinton, ever!’

Did she drown their favorite puppy?

In all seriousness, I think you’re onto something when you suspect a deeply personal element - and it goes, as someone else said above, beyond simple sexism - it’s as if HRC is serving as a vessel into which they pour all their frustrations and anger with other things. A perfect example can be found…

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So…there you have it. I wrote it all down in case it might help provide further insight into the mindset of these people and whether or not some might eventually be reachable or not (and oh, yes, BoB friend despises Kamala Harris because she didn’t prosecute Mnuchin when she had the chance or whatever)

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retired cynic  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:50:07pm

re: #357 The Vicious Babushka

I wonder if there is a genetic link for liking/hating licorice the same way that there is for cilantro.

The first time that I ate cilantro it tasted like soap, but I have trained myself to enjoy small amounts as long as it’s not the main ingredient. I don’t like licorice, including Sambuca, but I put fennel seeds in rye bread, just as long as they are outnumbered by the caraway seeds. I realize that fennel is not licorice but it is similar enough to trigger the “licorice” taste but without the gag reflex.

Isn’t there supposed to be a genetic component in us that determines how we taste cilantro? Probably other things. It tastes like soap to me, too, but I can take very small amounts now.

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retired cynic  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:50:44pm

re: #369 retired cynic

Isn’t there supposed to be a genetic component in us that determines how we taste cilantro? Probably other things. It tastes like soap to me, too, but I can take very small amounts now.

Well, duh. So much for my reading ability. Sorry, VB!

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De Kolta Chair  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:54:20pm
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Romantic Heretic  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:54:31pm

In response to post re: #431 Decatur Deb in an earlier thread.

If any lizards are bugging out to Vicksburg she lives 65 miles west of of that city and is willing to let you crash at her place. Bring a sleeping bag and help with food.

Send me a private message and I’ll send you the details.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:55:39pm

re: #369 retired cynic

Isn’t there supposed to be a genetic component in us that determines how we taste cilantro? Probably other things. It tastes like soap to me, too, but I can take very small amounts now.

I sometimes wonder if there is a genetic component to how sensitive humans are to the chemicals that can make marijuana smell like skunks.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:55:57pm

re: #321 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I sort of suspect that a yoghurt topping with quinoa is going to get porridge-y. Maybe use the Greek flavors—citrus, oregano, cucumber, olive oil, raw garlic—that are in and around tzatziki?

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De Kolta Chair  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:56:08pm

376
Unshaken Defiance  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:56:09pm

re: #24 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

We knew the President After Obama (my new device to avoid saying the tiny handed monsters name) would be tested. For the most part we thought other nations, Democrats, GOP establishment. All true of course. But did we see mother nature coming with a knife in her teeth and lightning in her hands? It’s as if… She finally got angry

It’s not nice to fool Mother Nature!

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Stanley Sea  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:56:46pm

re: #364 freetoken

Don’t know. I like anise, in mild doses. As a child rootbeer was my favorite carbonated drink.

But I’ve never had a fondness for dark licorice.

Speaking of genetics, yes, cilantro tastes sort of soapy to me. And I can smell asparagus in my urine. Both are associated with particular alleles.

Love licorice, HATE root beer.

Childhood memory, family reunion in Bethlehem PA. I was very young. Only real beer & birch beer to drink. Trauma that I still remember.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 6, 2017 • 6:57:01pm

re: #374 The Ghost of a Flea

I sort of suspect that a yoghurt topping with quinoa is going to get porridge-y. Maybe use the Greek flavors—citrus, oregano, cucumber, olive oil, raw garlic—that are in and around tzatziki?

The quinoa would be a component but not a base for the salad. I figure the tzatziki would go more on the pork.

I’m still undecided at this point. The quinoa is cooling and we’ll go from there at some point. Also I have to get writing done today too. Hahaha.

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Unshaken Defiance  Sep 6, 2017 • 7:00:43pm

re: #373 klys (maker of Silmarils)

The wife and i took this wine tasting class for a year. Great fun wine tasting as education. Very social event. One of the lessons involved this expensive case of vials of essential oils to sniff and learn the subtle descriptions used in those snooty sounding reviews of wines. It was amazing how adept certain folks were at certain smells in tiny amounts. And how nose blind yours truly is. :-/

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 6, 2017 • 7:03:18pm

re: #379 Unshaken Defiance

I am normally in the nose-blind category but there are a few smells that are very unfortunately strong reactors for me.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 6, 2017 • 7:10:02pm

re: #314 HappyWarrior

I honestly think the best thing he can do is retire but I don’t see that happening. He really likes the new fame he’s gotten the past year. And you know what, I get that. The guy has wanted to spread the message of Dem socialism his entire life and he’s getting the chance to spread it but I think he’s a terrible messager for it.

I don’t know how good of a messenger he is, but I think I do a better job at that in my little conservative village (though that may be because everyone knows me).

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CleverToad  Sep 6, 2017 • 7:12:13pm

re: #378 klys (maker of Silmarils)

The quinoa would be a component but not a base for the salad. I figure the tzatziki would go more on the pork.

I’m still undecided at this point. The quinoa is cooling and we’ll go from there at some point. Also I have to get writing done today too. Hahaha.

Interesting little distractions I recently discovered as I’m supposed to be working on an almost-contemporary romance instead of the Regency that’s fourth down my priority list:
Guide to Brit titles,
laura.chinet.com

the former site cited in this book: Medieval Underpants and Other Blunders
amazon.com fun with both. Even with a book set in 1995, one has to watch for tech and terminology that wasn’t around in the ‘90’s. Almost easier for the books set in 1973 and 1962, you KNOW a ton has changed. But twenty years ago? That’s not very long…

Research is soooo much more fun than writing, some days.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 6, 2017 • 7:27:21pm

re: #199 stpaulbear

Maybe McConnell should do everything he can to make Trump a one-term president.

Mitch doesn’t have a good track record doing that.
Just saying…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 6, 2017 • 7:28:42pm

re: #205 wheat-dogg

Hefner had silk robes, IIRC. Trump goes for the white terry cloth kind.

terry cloth is easier for wiping up spills, if ya know what I mean…
*wink* *wink* nudge* * say no more*

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Belafon  Sep 6, 2017 • 7:29:43pm

re: #241 LastYearsMan

It took me a while to come around on Hillary, but I respect the hell out of her work. But I also think it fair to say she is not a good campaigner and lacks a certain type of political charisma. And this goes beyond sexism because a lot of people like, say, Elizabeth Warren who don’t like Hillary.

I think a lot of those people will stop liking Warren if she tries to run for president.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 6, 2017 • 7:30:58pm

re: #385 Belafon

I think a lot of those people will stop liking Warren if she tries to run for president.

It’s really instructive to watch what happens to Hillary’s favorable ratings every time she runs, versus when she’s not running (either in office or doing her job or whatever).

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Scout  Sep 6, 2017 • 7:31:12pm

re: #360 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Tattoo fails:

[Embedded content]

Short for Chlamydia?

I’m willing to bet that was in Seattle.

Hint: google the name Ivar Haglund.

(Not that this should interest anyone out there, but I personally think all tattoos are ugly.)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 6, 2017 • 7:44:32pm

re: #353 makeitstop

Melting in the dark.

but there’s cake…

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HappyWarrior  Sep 6, 2017 • 7:57:50pm

re: #381 Anymouse 🌹

I don’t know how good of a messenger he is, but I think I do a better job at that in my little conservative village (though that may be because everyone knows me).

That does help AM but from my observations of you and him, I think you’re a better listener. I’ve seen him go off on people not just reporters who ask him tough questions. I also think you understand that racial problems are a factor and aren’t a mere distraction either. It’s frustrating because I do want socialism to stop being a bad word but at the same time, I want socialists to understand there are other problems too.


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