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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:22:27am

I hope the GOP is smart enough to realize what bad politics it will be in an election year for stories of young Americans losing their jobs, educations and even being discharged from the military then deported to countries foreign to them coming out month after month. Their white nationalist base will be furious with them if they enact DACA into law, however.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:29:23am

re: #1 Big Beautiful Door

I hope the GOP is smart enough to realize what bad politics it will be in an election year for stories of young Americans losing their jobs, educations and even being discharged from the military then deported to countries foreign to them coming out month after month. Their white nationalist base will be furious with them if they enact DACA into law, however.

They explain to their base that the Demon-crats are holding them up, and they’ll get right on that after the next election.

That might work, if their base can be convinced they’ll get what they want (ethnic cleansing) by waiting until after November.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:38:59am

re: #2 Anymouse 🌹

They explain to their base that the Demon-crats are holding them up, and they’ll get right on that after the next election.

That might work, if their base can be convinced they’ll get what they want (ethnic cleansing) by waiting until after November.

They can pretty much say whatever they want to their base and have it believed

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:50:12am

The Media is Not Finished with Their Dangerous, Sexist Libel of Hillary Clinton (Goes to The People’s View, more at the link):

But, they say, Clinton fails to grasp that Sanders was running a cause while she was running a campaign. They say setting deliverable, pragmatic goals building on the progress of the previous eight years was her shortcoming, while promising everyone a pony was Bernie’s brilliance. They portray Clinton’s view of Bernie Sanders’ damage - at least what can be gleaned from public excerpts of her book - as a simplistic facade.

This is a lie. This is libel. And this is sexist.

… and …

And someone please, please, please explain to me how “stop talking about race because that’s uncomfortable for the ‘white working class’ ” is “a fundamentally different view of politics.” This view of politics has been dominating American elections since 1788.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:53:24am

re: #4 Anymouse 🌹

The Media is Not Finished with Their Dangerous, Sexist Libel of Hillary Clinton (Goes to The People’s View, more at the link):

… and …

But, they say, Clinton fails to grasp that Sanders was running a cause while she was running a campaign.

And she was not just campaigning in a primary, she was fending off a hostile takeover of her party from an outsider.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:57:04am

re: #5 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And she was not just campaigning in a primary, she was fending off a hostile takeover of her party from an outsider.

And she still just barely got beat thanks to a combination of Russian and FBI interference.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:58:47am

re: #3 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They can pretty much say whatever they want to their base and have it believed

Yup. But a large number of average conservative voters call liberals (or anyone to the left of Attila the Hun) “sheeple,” brainwashed, anti-American, &c.

Fifty years of propaganda is a helluva drug.

The Republican Party used to stand for things (well, before my time but still) such as scientific endeavour, research, even (gasp) unions. Sometime around Barry Goldwater’s run for President it suddenly became acceptable to court ideas floated from groups like the John Birch Society … Ronald Reagan accelerated their craziness by welcoming in the Dixiecrats, social conservatives, and evangelical wingnuts.

At one time the Republicans and the Democrats stood for different ideas on how to move the country forward, but both agreed that the other at least argued their cases in good faith.

Not any more. One side thinks compromise is the road to hell.

I still think it is worthwhile for Democrats to compromise with Republicans when their ideas are worthwhile to advance progress in the nation (the ACA, one of their think tank’s ideas is an example of that).

But when they repudiate their own ideas just because Democrats happen to agree with them (the ACA, immigration reform, DACA, the Americans with Disabilities Act, &c), it’s awfully hard to have a functioning government anymore.

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JordanRules  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:08:17am

Some incisive criticism leveled against the British Government about their response to Irma. Direct comparisons made to the French response.

Guardian’s Irma liveblog: amp.theguardian.com

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:13:38am

More from that essay above

Somehow, [Chris] Cillizza completely and conveniently forgets Clinton’s warrior form against one Donald J. Trump, whom she called a Russian puppet to his face while the media was still tickling its balls about her email nontroversy. Cillizza seems to have forgotten that Hillary Clinton went toe-to-toe with Donald Trump and warned everyone about Trump’s vicious racism, sexism and xenophobia while the fourth estate was ignoring that threat. Cillizza needs to be reminded that Hillary Clinton bore the torch and spoke out in favor of confronting institutional racism, pervasive sexism, blatant and latent xenophobia, and anti-LGBT bigotry. Bernie Sanders barely paid lip service - let alone confront - these very real scars of America’s national soul.

Hillary Clinton confronted Donald Trump and the real ills of American society that made Trump’s rise possible. Bernie Sanders confronted Hillary Clinton because it got him free airtime [emphasis mine].

The longer I saw Sen. Sanders in action toward the end of the primaries, and in the time since, the more firm I am in my belief my initial support was misplaced on the wrong politician. I like many of the ideas he floated, and those could be achieved with a good dose of pragmatism and hard work of politics and governance.

But it is apparent he is the wrong politician to deliver on his ideas. Many of them were adopted into the Democratic platform. Hillary Clinton is a pragmatist, and I firmly believe she could have delivered on some of Sen. Sanders’s own planks better than Sanders could. Had Sanders won the primary, I am quite sure the overwhelming majority of Democratic voters would have enthusiastically supported him, and tried their best to help advance his policies at the White House.

Dammit, I’m proud to be one of the eight Clinton voters in my township, out of several hundred votes. (I still can’t figure out who the three Stein voters are here, though I know who the two Johnson voters are.) I don’t care that Clinton taking this particular precinct was hopeless (or this House district) but I sure as hell thought she would take the swing states that went to Trump.

Conservative voters (even if they don’t know it) lost a great deal when she lost the election due to our archaic electoral college system. The whole nation lost a great deal.

You don’t have to like a politician, you only have to have a competent politician. In the General Election, there was only one competent politician left in the race, and that’s a damn shame she lost.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:22:45am

And Bernie’s presence was exploited by the GOP (and the Russians) for some weapons-grade ratfucking.

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Kragar  Sep 7, 2017 • 2:02:12am
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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 7, 2017 • 2:45:09am

Oh, boy. I hope this woman is on Mr. Mueller’s radar … this explanation of how social media platforms personally worked with Mr. Trump’s campaign might be of interest to him (especially since she worked for Cambridge Analytica to advance Trump’s social media presence during the campaign).

This video is remarkable on how they leveraged social media and the $80 million dollars his campaign spent on adverts for social media to target individuals. (And, how much of that $80 million is tainted money—that is, from foreign sources.)

I hope Mark Zuckerberg and Jack Dorsey are getting headaches over this, and that this torpedoes any shot Zuck thought he had at buying leveraging Faceplant’s data to running for the Presidency.

It also shows why we need to strengthen out electoral laws to cover social media platforms.

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Shropshire Slasher  Sep 7, 2017 • 4:19:39am

re: #4 Anymouse 🌹

I hear she is selling a book.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 7, 2017 • 4:45:05am

Peggy has been into the Grey Goose again.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 7, 2017 • 4:53:39am

re: #13 Shropshire Slasher

I hear she is selling a book.

Jackson was shot by his own men, Lee died in his bed years after the war ended…

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Dave In Austin  Sep 7, 2017 • 4:54:47am
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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 4:57:50am
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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 7, 2017 • 4:57:55am

Peggy used a Yiddish word she doesn’t understand the meaning of. “Shonda” means disgrace. It’s a “shonda” that these racist traitors had their own stained glass window for so many years. But that’s not what she meant.

Peggy also can’t thread Tweets for shit, but that’s hard to do when you’re slobbering drunk.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 7, 2017 • 4:59:34am

washingtonpost.com

“Beneath a graying sky that foreshadowed the hurricane to come, Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd shrugged.

‘Never before did I think that we’d be beat up for giving people a warning and keeping people safe,’ he told local television crews. ‘But hey, that’s okay.’

He was referring to criticism that followed a string of tweets from his office Wednesday morning saying that anyone with an outstanding warrant would not be admitted to shelters during Hurricane Irma. Though some of the tweets singled out sexual offenders and predators, others said all people with warrants would be better off turning themselves into a secure space of a different kind — jail.

‘If you go to a shelter for #Irma, be advised: sworn LEOs will be at every shelter, checking IDs. Sex offenders/predators will not be allowed,’ read one tweet, using an acronym for “law enforcement officers.” The thread came from the Polk County Sheriff’s Twitter account, which uses a photo of Judd.

‘If you go to a shelter for #Irma and you have a warrant, we’ll gladly escort you to the safe and secure shelter called the Polk County Jail,’ read another tweet, which received more than 7,800 likes. It had also garnered more than 7,800 replies by early Thursday morning, largely from users chastising Judd for potentially endangering people with warrants as a Category 5 hurricane ripped through the Caribbean and beamed toward Florida.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 7, 2017 • 5:01:31am

re: #17 MsJ

Well, THAT is a cheery article. Thanks, Trump. The dollar is down 15 cents in three months. Republicans are going to crash the US economy.t]

DT decided that a weak dollar was better for his businesses, I guess…

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Shropshire Slasher  Sep 7, 2017 • 5:02:52am

I absolutely love fresh garlic, not so much the next morning.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 7, 2017 • 5:03:35am

re: #21 Shropshire Slasher

I absolutely love fresh garlic, not so much the next morning.

my stomach does not do well with it, either. I have learned to roast it or fry the cloves whole before using it in most anything

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Shropshire Slasher  Sep 7, 2017 • 5:04:54am

re: #22 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I have never heard that some people don’t tolerate it well. All that I can say is that I stink…

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Dave In Austin  Sep 7, 2017 • 5:06:17am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 7, 2017 • 5:09:04am

re: #23 Shropshire Slasher

I have never heard that some people don’t tolerate it well. All that I can say is that I stink…

my girlfriend gets heart palpitations from it

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Decatur Deb  Sep 7, 2017 • 5:18:11am

re: #25 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

my girlfriend gets heart palpitations from it

Does she like her steak very, very, rare?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 7, 2017 • 5:20:55am

re: #26 Decatur Deb

Does she like her steak very, very, rare?

she likes it rare, but not bloody

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Decatur Deb  Sep 7, 2017 • 5:21:55am

re: #27 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

she likes it rare, but not bloody

Never mind, then.

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I cannot.  Sep 7, 2017 • 5:22:40am

re: #28 Decatur Deb

*puts away sharpened wooden stakes*

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 7, 2017 • 5:22:58am

re: #17 MsJ

[Embedded content]

Republicans are going to crash the US economy

Again

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jeffreyw  Sep 7, 2017 • 5:27:00am

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Good morning!

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Citizen K  Sep 7, 2017 • 5:31:55am

re: #4 Anymouse 🌹

The Media is Not Finished with Their Dangerous, Sexist Libel of Hillary Clinton (Goes to The People’s View, more at the link):

“And someone please, please, please explain to me how “stop talking about race because that’s uncomfortable for the ‘white working class’ ” is “a fundamentally different view of politics.” This view of politics has been dominating American elections since 1788.”

On that note, I have to link to Ta-Nehisi Coates’ latest, The First White President
, which underscores just how central racism to Trump’s ascendancy and the ease in which attacks against him have been deflected, and just how sadly All-American it is:

The juxtaposition between the valid and even virtuous interests of the “working class” and the invalid and pathological interests of black Americans was not the province merely of blatant white supremacists like [Theodore] Bilbo. The acclaimed scholar, liberal hero, and future senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan, in his time working for President Richard Nixon, approvingly quoted Nixon’s formulation of the white working class: “A new voice” was beginning to make itself felt in the country. “It is a voice that has been silent too long,” Nixon claimed, alluding to working-class whites. “It is a voice of people who have not taken to the streets before, who have not indulged in violence, who have not broken the law.”

It had been only 18 years since the Cicero riots; eight years since Daisy and Bill Myers had been run out of Levittown, Pennsylvania; three years since Martin Luther King Jr. had been stoned while walking through Chicago’s Marquette Park. But as the myth of the virtuous white working class was made central to American identity, its sins needed to be rendered invisible. The fact was, working-class whites had been agents of racist terrorism since at least the draft riots of 1863; terrorism could not be neatly separated from the racist animus found in every class of whites. Indeed, in the era of lynching, the daily newspapers often whipped up the fury of the white masses by invoking the last species of property that all white men held in common—white women. But to conceal the breadth of white racism, these racist outbursts were often disregarded or treated not as racism but as the unfortunate side effect of legitimate grievances against capital. By focusing on that sympathetic laboring class, the sins of whiteness itself were, and are still being, evaded.

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 5:38:13am

re: #20 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

DT decided that a weak dollar was better for his businesses, I guess…

In what world that makes sense I do not know.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 7, 2017 • 5:41:57am

Someone at the National Hurricane Center was having a whimsical day when it was time to name their storm-surge models.

…The image was created using the National Hurricane Center’s Sea, Lake, and Overland Surge from Hurricanes (SLOSH) model. This model divides the U.S. coast up into 20 or so separate grids (called basins) that storm surge simulations are performed for. If one takes the maximum the water reaches at any point in time at every grid cell in a SLOSH basin, a composite “Maximum Envelope of Water” (MEOW) plot can be made. MEOW plots are created for every category of storm moving in a particular direction, usually stratified by forward speed and tide elevation. Simulations are run using a variety of storm sizes. If one takes the maximum storm surge height for all the MEOW plots at every grid cell, one can generate a worst-case storm surge for the coast for each Saffir-Simpson hurricane category: 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5. These so-called “Maximum Of the MEOWs”, or “MOMs” are what are plotted in the SLOSH storm surge images on wunderground, and are the composite worst-case scenario storm surges from about 15,000 different hypothetical hurricanes for each SLOSH basin. All of the MOM images we provide are for high tide, and were performed using the 2009 version of the SLOSH Display Package provided to wunderground by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA). …

wunderground.com

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 7, 2017 • 5:42:46am

re: #3 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Exactly. Their base isn’t going to vote for Democrats no matter what. The only issue is whether the base is enough to help Republicans keep control of Congress. I’m hoping the answer is no.

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Citizen K  Sep 7, 2017 • 5:44:39am

re: #34 Decatur Deb

I could’ve sworn you said ‘Meow’
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Barefoot Grin  Sep 7, 2017 • 5:47:54am

Japanese twitter is freaking out about a massive solar flare with the potential to disrupt GPS and other communications systems. Not hearing much in our media. With the hurricane emergencies, that’s understandable. But it could also be your average mass hysteria event.

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Shropshire Slasher  Sep 7, 2017 • 5:50:10am

re: #37 Barefoot Grin

space.com

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 7, 2017 • 5:53:36am

re: #38 Shropshire Slasher

space.com

Thanks!

From the article: If aimed toward Earth, the CME from these latest flares could lead to even more spectacular auroras, but could also damage satellites, communications and power systems. That cloud of charged plasma would arrive within 1 to 3 or 4 days, Steenburgh said, although CMEs triggered by energetic flares generally come quickly.

The surge of activity might seem surprising, as the sun is approaching its solar minimum, with the lowest levels of activity in its 11-year cycle.

“We are heading toward solar minimum, but the interesting thing about that is you can still have events, they’re just not as frequent,” Steenburgh said. “We’re not having X-flares every day for a week, for instance — the activity is less frequent, but no less potentially strong.”

“These kind of events are just part of living with a star,” Steenburgh added.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 7, 2017 • 5:54:12am

So now Wikileaks is a cut-out for North Korea, too?

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Sir John Barron  Sep 7, 2017 • 5:55:50am

re: #14 The Vicious Babushka

They were figures in the greatest, most killing moral struggle in US history.

Fine, then let’s have Civil War windows for Grant, Sherman, Thomas, Meade, and Sheridan.

George Thomas, by the way, The Rock of Chickamauga, was a Virginian, who fought for his county, i.e. The United States of America. How about we celebrate him instead of the other Virginians? His Southern relatives disowned him. Some thanks he got.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 7, 2017 • 5:57:36am

re: #18 The Vicious Babushka

Peggy used a Yiddish word she doesn’t understand the meaning of. “Shonda” means disgrace. It’s a “shonda” that these racist traitors had their own stained glass window for so many years. But that’s not what she meant.

Peggy also can’t thread Tweets for shit, but that’s hard to do when you’re slobbering drunk.

Peggy thinks removing those windows is a ‘disgrace’?

She doth protest too much.

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 6:04:11am

I love this on so many levels. IronStache. HA!

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 7, 2017 • 6:07:26am

re: #43 MsJ

That’s damn near within the typical polling margin of error.

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 6:09:22am
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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 6:10:18am

re: #44 Dr Lizardo

That’s damn near within the typical polling margin of error.

And what’s even better…? Bannon is pissed about the Trump/Dem deal so they want to retaliate…by taking out Ryan.

Ah, the sound of them eating their own. NOM NOM NOM!

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 7, 2017 • 6:11:30am

re: #46 MsJ

And what’s even better…? Bannon is pissed about the Trump/Dem deal so they want to retaliate…by taking out Ryan.

Ah, the sound of them eating their own. NOM NOM NOM!

RWNJ’s eating their own? Now there’s a cannibal holocaust I can get behind 100%!

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Decatur Deb  Sep 7, 2017 • 6:17:14am

OK. Now I know the first stop after collecting the Mega-Powerball check:

Jaguar | E-type Zero

arstechnica.com

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 6:18:26am

Now this is a cool police department. Their Facebook post is hysterical.

A certain movie is coming to theaters in two days, and a local prankster took it upon themselves to promote the movie……………we give points for creativity, however we want the local prankster to know that we were completely terrified as we removed these balloons from the grates and we respectfully request they do not do that again. If you’re not sure what we’re talking about, search “It” and watch the preview, but we suggest watching the preview with a friend or coworker with all the lights on and the sound down low😀

“You’ll float too”

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 6:22:02am

ICYMI from yesterday.

Schiff authored a bill where Trump couldn’t personally profit off the government and the GOP killed it. Fuck the GOP long and hard. Just fuck them.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 6:22:08am

re: #4 Anymouse 🌹

The Media is Not Finished with Their Dangerous, Sexist Libel of Hillary Clinton (Goes to The People’s View, more at the link):

… and …

That’s a good read. And it does speak to some of my own beliefs that Clinton was a lot more bolder than Sanders.

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makeitstop  Sep 7, 2017 • 6:25:54am

Facebook should face severe legal repercussions for completely ratfucking a presidential election - but I’ll take full cooperation with Team Mueller as half-assed compensation at this point.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 7, 2017 • 6:27:00am

re: #50 MsJ

ICYMI from yesterday.

Schiff authored a bill where Trump couldn’t personally profit off the government and the GOP killed it. Fuck the GOP long and hard. Just fuck them.

There are times when I think the GOP Congress is worse than Drumpf.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 7, 2017 • 6:27:36am

re: #50 MsJ

ICYMI from yesterday.

Schiff authored a bill where Trump couldn’t personally profit off the government and the GOP killed it. Fuck the GOP long and hard. Just fuck them.

But, you know, Clinton Foundation, corruption, emails, etc.

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lawhawk  Sep 7, 2017 • 6:28:30am

Greets and saluts from the Resistance in the NYC metro area. Where to begin on a morning like this? The wildfires out West that turned out to be more wide-ranging and damaging than anyone expected at the beginning of the year? The ongoing Harvey recovery? Or the impending doom that Irma is bringing to the Caribbean and likely the US mainland later this week?

Let’s start backwards:

Irma’s already killed at least 10 people across the Caribbean. Nearly 1 million people in Puerto Rico are without power - and some may be without power for weeks. Prior to hitting PR, Irma slammed into the smaller Caribbean islands, and the results were devastating. 90% of structures on one island were damaged; 60% left uninhabitable.

The storm is still at 180mph sustained winds. As a reminder, that’s the equivalent to a EF-4 tornado, except this is a storm that persists over a given area for hours - not seconds or minutes.

Florida’s evacuations and prep is strongly warranted, and if you’re trying to get out, there’s still reports of gouging. JetBlue capped flights to/from Florida at $99.

Oh, and Jose is on Irma’s heels, and may take a sideswipe at PR before heading north into the Gulf Stream.

Then there’s the wildfires that have caused damage across the West. Yosemite’s sequoia groves sustained some fire damage, but the more serious incidents were in Glacier NP, where a major wildfire burned a landmark chalet to the ground and 1,000s of people have been dislocated across the west due to the fires while millions have been suffering from respiratory ailments from the smoke that has settled in across much of the West.

Trump still doesn’t get the seriousness of the situation (global warming playing a contributing factor, or just the storms and natural disasters individually), but that’s not surprising given that other people like Rush don’t think it’s serious either. He doesn’t grasp the fact that he’s about to have two massive natural disasters striking within weeks of each other, and his focus (and that of the GOP) remains fixated on tax reform - tax cuts for millionaires like himself; after all, when he says that the estate tax is a problem for Americans, he clearly thinks that everyone is just like him when 99%+ of Americans (or their estates) will never pay it.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 7, 2017 • 6:30:13am

re: #49 MsJ

Now this is a cool police department. Their Facebook post is hysterical.

Find it a little odd that this movie is being made, or remade as it were. It was turned into a television mini-series back in the ‘90’s (I think).

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Citizen K  Sep 7, 2017 • 6:33:01am

re: #56 Sir John Barron

Find it a little odd that this movie is being made, or remade as it were. It was turned into a television mini-series back in the ‘90’s (I think).

This one is supposedly more faithful and updated for more modern horror sensibilities since the mini-series featuring Tim Curry is a bit more campy and toned down to fit on broadcast TV.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 7, 2017 • 6:33:53am

re: #56 Sir John Barron

Find it a little odd that this movie is being made, or remade as it were. It was turned into a television mini-series back in the ‘90’s (I think).

The miniseries hasn’t aged well, TBH. A student of mine has already seen it - he’s a film critic - and he loved it, considering it far superior to the 1990 miniseries.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 6:34:41am

re: #32 Citizen K

On that note, I have to link to Ta-Nehisi Coates’ latest, The First White President
, which underscores just how central racism to Trump’s ascendancy and the ease in which attacks against him have been deflected, and just how sadly All-American it is:

This is really good man. He nails the myth of the white working class that many on the left even have. I really think and this is coming from a descendant of Trump’s beloved miners that we know that they or in my case my own ancestors had tough lives but you know what, my great grandpa never had to worry about being lynched if he looked at a white person the wrong way. And the title is so brilliant too.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 7, 2017 • 6:35:05am

re: #57 Citizen K

This one is supposedly more faithful and updated for more modern horror sensibilities since the mini-series featuring Tim Curry is a bit more campy and toned down to fit on broadcast TV.

‘Campy’ is a pretty good way to describe the TV version.

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 6:35:48am

re: #53 Sir John Barron

There are times when I think the GOP Congress is worse than Drumpf.

They are. Much more so. Trump is an idiot. They are purposefully doing what they are doing.

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Citizen K  Sep 7, 2017 • 6:37:50am

re: #59 HappyWarrior

This is really good man. He nails the myth of the white working class that many on the left even have. I really think and this is coming from a descendant of Trump’s beloved miners that we know that they or in my case my own ancestors had tough lives but you know what, my great grandpa never had to worry about being lynched if he looked at a white person the wrong way. And the title is so brilliant too.

It shows just how the bullshit with “identity politics” has been around forever under different names. It’s the same old erasure, just the same.

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 6:38:32am

re: #56 Sir John Barron

Find it a little odd that this movie is being made, or remade as it were. It was turned into a television mini-series back in the ‘90’s (I think).

It is supposed to be a good remake. FWIW.

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lawhawk  Sep 7, 2017 • 6:39:42am

Oh, and Irma’s storm track is currently suggesting a double strike - first along the Florida coast in the vicinity of Miami, and then bouncing out to the Atlantic before striking somewhere near the GA-SC border. In other words, pretty much the entire Atlantic coast of Florida will be feeling this storm’s wrath, and most people living there do not have flood insurance (the main source of damage from hurricanes).

The NFIP isn’t sufficiently funded, nor is FEMA.

So when Trump says that everything is going well, he’s lying his ass off. It isn’t. Trump’s budget called for cuts to FEMA and the USCG.

And now that Harvey aid is being discussed, it’s looking like the GOP is looking to take funding previously scheduled for use to help build Gateway tunnel project (as part of the Sandy reconstruction package) to go to Harvey and Irma aid.

Once again, the GOP is about to fuck over the NYC metro area, which still is dealing with Sandy years after the fact.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 6:40:51am

re: #62 Citizen K

It shows just how the bullshit with “identity politics” has been around forever under different names. It’s the same old erasure, just the same.

Yeah. Props to Coates on a great article.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 7, 2017 • 6:47:32am

This is a nice little documentary about the 1953 North Sea Flood - an event described as having been “airbrushed out of history”. Over 2,000 dead, including the loss of the MV Princess Victoria, which sank taking with her 133 souls.

The Greatest Storm 1953 Full documentry “Timewatch” (2003)

en.wikipedia.org

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 6:48:47am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 6:50:21am

Probably the most damning passage of the first article about the Clinton excerpts:

Sanders did not lack the “time or infrastructure” to develop a compelling message for the South. He certainly could have utilized all the time he used to explaining why Clinton winning the black vote in the South didn’t mean anything (because you know, the South doesn’t vote Democratic in the general, so why worry about the black folk there…) to instead “develop a compelling message.” Sanders didn’t develop a message for the South - or for the midwest and the west with heavy Latino populations - because he never cared to. Trying to address racial inequities was a distraction from his economic message primarily focused to address white pain, and he wasn’t going to bother.

I very much agree with this. I don’t think Sanders is a bigot on the level of Trump or most wingnuts but I do think he has an indifference to racism and racial inequalities that Clinton to her credit did not.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 6:52:13am

re: #67 MsJ

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Says the guy who makes money off of hatred. If the RCC wanted to make money, they’d support lassiez-faire capitalism. I don’t always agree with the RCC but their support of immigrants comes from a legitimate place. Oh and Steve, you talk like the same assholes who complain about Irish immigrants like your and mine ancestors so piss off you Bowery Boy wannabe.

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Citizen K  Sep 7, 2017 • 7:00:30am

re: #68 HappyWarrior

Probably the most damning passage of the first article about the Clinton excerpts:

Sanders did not lack the “time or infrastructure” to develop a compelling message for the South. He certainly could have utilized all the time he used to explaining why Clinton winning the black vote in the South didn’t mean anything (because you know, the South doesn’t vote Democratic in the general, so why worry about the black folk there…) to instead “develop a compelling message.” Sanders didn’t develop a message for the South - or for the midwest and the west with heavy Latino populations - because he never cared to. Trying to address racial inequities was a distraction from his economic message primarily focused to address white pain, and he wasn’t going to bother.

I very much agree with this. I don’t think Sanders is a bigot on the level of Trump or most wingnuts but I do think he has an indifference to racism and racial inequalities that Clinton to her credit did not.

The paeans he and followers made to “White Working Class” in the aftermath of the election was illuminating on this scale. Again, the erasure, and insistence that somehow racism and social justice issues would magically repair themselves if economics were solved.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 7:03:02am

re: #70 Citizen K

The paeans he and followers made to “White Working Class” in the aftermath of the election was illuminating on this scale. Again, the erasure, and insistence that somehow racism and social justice issues would magically repair themselves if economics were solved.

Which is naive as shit. I mean I can understand why the college kids that embrace him may believe that but he’s seventy six. He’s old enough to see that the WWC loudly rejected the Great Society explicitly because LBJ wanted to make sure every American regardless of race could enjoy the same fruits that the New Deal got many whites. Maybe he’s spent too much time in Vermont, I don’t know but he should know better than that.

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Aussie Apocalypse  Sep 7, 2017 • 7:04:44am

re: #69 HappyWarrior

Bowery Boy.

I had look that up; the only Bowery I’d heard of was Leigh Bowery and that didn’t seem right.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 7, 2017 • 7:04:53am
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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 7:04:58am

Thread.

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lawhawk  Sep 7, 2017 • 7:06:06am
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Citizen K  Sep 7, 2017 • 7:06:26am

re: #71 HappyWarrior

Which is naive as shit. I mean I can understand why the college kids that embrace him may believe that but he’s seventy six. He’s old enough to see that the WWC loudly rejected the Great Society explicitly because LBJ wanted to make sure every American regardless of race could enjoy the same fruits that the New Deal got many whites. Maybe he’s spent too much time in Vermont, I don’t know but he should know better than that.

I said even after the election that he should be old enough to remember when Jews were, for the most part, not even treated as ‘White’. Hell, you still get that today, just maybe not so blatantly, so….yeah.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 7:07:31am

I think Coates made some great points about the WWC and people like Anthony Bourdain, Nick Kristoff, and even Joe Biden who want to have a sort of denial about the prejudices of the WWC people they grew up with. As Coates got at, the WWC wasn’t some innocent group that had been “long quiet” as Monyihan inaccurately said, no the WWC greatly resented racial minorities from the start. The 1863 Draft Riots and later the riots that happened when black people moved into Northern neighborhoods. As I said, I don’t really think Sanders is a bigot but I think he’s amazigly naive for a man his age and experience in public life.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 7:07:56am

re: #72 Aussie Apocalypse

I had look that up; the only Bowery I’d heard of was Leigh Bowery and that didn’t seem right.

Haha yeah I know.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 7:10:00am

re: #76 Citizen K

I said even after the election that he should be old enough to remember when Jews were, for the most part, not even treated as ‘White’. Hell, you still get that today, just maybe not so blatantly, so….yeah.

I think that’s what astounds me the most about him. I’d think being Jewish and even having had distant relatives that died in the Holocaust, he might understand better the sense of “other” many racial and religious minorities have been made to feel. TBH with you, I think why I might be more sympathetic to the plight of minorities than my brother is because being on the ASD spectrum, I’m a bit of an “other” myself.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 7:11:10am

re: #74 MsJ

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To me, it’s just verification that all they want in an executive is someone who hates the same people they do and acts like a tough guy.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 7:11:26am

re: #75 lawhawk

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 7:14:27am
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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 7:17:13am

re: #80 HappyWarrior

To me, it’s just verification that all they want in an executive is someone who hates the same people they do and acts like a tough guy.

I think it’s deeper. Anything their guy (whomever THEIR guy is) = good. Anything Dem = Bad. If Trump did something with the Dems, it was his master 11th dimensional chess playing negotiating skills that got something something and he’s the best at something or other.

It used to be GOP=Good and Dem=Bad but now they’ve started to eat the GOP because of “establishment” this and that.

Of course, we have our own purity ponies to deal with so this isn’t exclusive to the GOP.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 7:18:37am

re: #83 MsJ

I think it’s deeper. Anything their guy (whomever THEIR guy is) = good. Anything Dem = Bad. If Trump did something with the Dems, it was his master 11th dimensional chess playing negotiating skills that got something something and he’s the best at something or other.

It used to be GOP=Good and Dem=Bad but now they’ve started to eat the GOP because of “establishment” this and that.

Of course, we have our own purity ponies to deal with so this isn’t exclusive to the GOP.

Yep, our own purity ponies are pretty bad too. TBH we always have had them.

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 7:22:19am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 7:23:15am

To me, the battle within the left isn’t an ideological one just like the battle within the right wasn’t one. Kasich actually implemented a lot of the things that are very popular with conservative voters as Ohio’s governor and worked to implement as a representative. What’s going on here is something much more than that. Within the left too. I actually don’t really have too much disagreement with the OR Wing, I think universal health care is a great goal to consider and I think we should definitely strive for more affordable post secondary education but I also have this pragmatic streak that comes from reading history. It’s knowing that the Nordic countries didn’t just do socialized health care. It did take time and we have other factors i.e. a societal aversion to SOCIALISM, a much bigger country, and yes racial resentments that make that harder. Of course, you bring that up and you get called a neo-lib or told to shut up about identity politics but we didn’t create identity politics. Identity politics were forced on us from the start.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Sep 7, 2017 • 7:23:22am

re: #82 MsJ

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 7:27:52am

God, I absolutely despise this jerk.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 7, 2017 • 7:28:33am

re: #83 MsJ

I think it’s deeper. Anything their guy (whomever THEIR guy is) = good. Anything Dem = Bad. If Trump did something with the Dems, it was his master 11th dimensional chess playing negotiating skills that got something something and he’s the best at something or other.

I think this is probably right on. For MAGA, if he’s collaborated with Dems it must be some great WONDERFUL idea or plan. And in the future MAGA can claim Trump gave you something how come you won’t give Trump something, negotiate with Trump, etc and the media will no doubt bite.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 7, 2017 • 7:29:52am

re: #83 MsJ

It used to be GOP=Good and Dem=Bad but now they’ve started to eat the GOP because of “establishment” this and that.

Yes, for MAGA, the GOP congress itself can’t be trusted. Trump is their only true guardian, the only one dedicated to their interests, etc.

But I do think this represents an important shift in the conservative base or a large portion of that base, from a stance that, beginning with the Tea Party, was obstensibly about True Conservative Patriot Americans Less Government to a less ideological, more personal candidate driven Followerism.

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Citizen K  Sep 7, 2017 • 7:30:19am

re: #86 HappyWarrior

To me, the battle within the left isn’t an ideological one just like the battle within the right wasn’t one. Kasich actually implemented a lot of the things that are very popular with conservative voters as Ohio’s governor and worked to implement as a representative. What’s going on here is something much more than that. Within the left too. I actually don’t really have too much disagreement with the OR Wing, I think universal health care is a great goal to consider and I think we should definitely strive for more affordable post secondary education but I also have this pragmatic streak that comes from reading history. It’s knowing that the Nordic countries didn’t just do socialized health care. It did take time and we have other factors i.e. a societal aversion to SOCIALISM, a much bigger country, and yes racial resentments that make that harder. Of course, you bring that up and you get called a neo-lib or told to shut up about identity politics but we didn’t create identity politics. Identity politics were forced on us from the start.

The danger is that the same compromises that were made in order to push forward the New Deal will be made here, i.e. the exclusion of minorities and ‘others’ in order to bring the white majority on board. Which would inevitably be used as more fuel for ‘see, everything equal now and they still fail, why can’t you accept they’re just inherently inferior subhumans now?!’

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wheat-dogg  Sep 7, 2017 • 7:34:02am

re: #48 Decatur Deb

OK. Now I know the first stop after collecting the Mega-Powerball check:

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I’d buy one, too. Now I just need the money to do it.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 7, 2017 • 7:34:12am

re: #90 Sir John Barron

Yes, for MAGA, the GOP congress itself can’t be trusted. Trump is their only true guardian, the only one dedicated to their interests, etc.

But I do think this represents an important shift in the conservative base or a large portion of that base, from a stance that, beginning with the Tea Party, was obstensibly about True Conservative Patriot Americans Less Government to a less ideological, more personal candidate driven Followerism.

Or to the extent there is any remaining ideological component to MAGA, it’s about immigration restriction, the racial and ethnic purification of the country to be had from barring ferners and deporting the ones here. Anything that can be construed as serving that end will be tolerated.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 7:38:10am

re: #91 Citizen K

The danger is that the same compromises that were made in order to push forward the New Deal will be made here, i.e. the exclusion of minorities and ‘others’ in order to bring the white majority on board. Which would inevitably be used as more fuel for ‘see, everything equal now and they still fail, why can’t you accept they’re just inherently inferior subhumans now?!’

That’s a terrific point. And it’s why I’m so troubled by Sanders dismissing “identity politics.” Black people didn’t choose to be black in this country. We made them marginalized. And while as I said I don’t think Sanders has a personal prejudice towards racial minorities, I think for a progressive, he’s not very sensitive to their experiences in this country. The way he dismissed that young Latina who wanted to be the second Latina senator for example. Easy for you to say “It should be more than just that” when you’re a white guy or even a white Jewish guy.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 7:38:24am

re: #88 MsJ

God, I absolutely despise this jerk.

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He’s such a pathetic douche.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 7:39:38am

Bernie btw isn’t being nearly as loud as he should be about DACA. I know he spoke out against what was done but he needs to join Harris, Schumer, Murkowski, and Graham’s DREAM Bill now.

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ObserverArt  Sep 7, 2017 • 7:48:29am

re: #45 MsJ

Matt Dempsey ✔ @mizzousundevil
What happens when a hurricane smashes into a broken chem regulatory system? We’re about to find out.houstonchronicle.com
11:17 PM - Sep 6, 2017 * Houston, TX

I’ve been hearing reports some people are already showing symptoms from people being in water with funky petrochemicals. Some people are showing skin rashes and are getting sick.

With Trump tearing up the Federal safety systems and putting states in the responsibility of regulations we are going to be hearing about more and more nasty chemical and other environmental problems.

MAGA - Making America Goopy Again.

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lawhawk  Sep 7, 2017 • 7:50:54am

Hurricane Irma continues to astound with its power and fury; thankfully the death toll has remained low, but it is almost certain to rise as it heads into the Bahamas and then to the US coast. We’ll also probably hear about more killed in PR and the USVI as well as a result of the storm and its after-effects.

A hurricane warning for the U.S. Virgin Islands and the British Virgin Islands was discontinued on Wednesday evening, the National Hurricane Center said. The center said hurricane watches would likely be issued for portions of the Florida Keys and the Florida peninsula on Thursday.

Hurricane Irma has had 185 mph winds longer than any other hurricane in recorded history, CBS News’ weather producer David Parkinson reports.

Parkinson adds that although it appeared Irma had hit peak intensity earlier, it is going through another eyewall replacement cycle, which means the strongest winds will extend further from the storm. It is possible winds bump up to 190 mph Thursday.

So what’s fueling this storm? Much warmer than typical sea temperatures, which extend for more than 200 feet into the ocean combined with warmer than average air temps. The combination means that there’s a lot of energy for the storm to feed off.

A strong high pressure system around Bermuda is keeping the storm on a track to redistribute Florida’s coastal regions.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 7:51:06am

Maybe I am a little rough on Sanders but you know, for all the damn town halls he does and all the damn stuff he does to raise his profile for 2020. He could be using that damn to trying to understand why these “identity politics” are an issue. Sorry Bern, you can’t just blame Wall Street and unregulated capitalism for everything. That doesn’t explain why Michael Bennett was harassed by police in Las Vegas. That doesn’t explain why successful DACA recipients now have to worry about being deported. I’m in agreement that we should listen to the concerns of the working class but unlike Bernie, I think we have and the problem isn’t us, it’s many of them for not wanting to listen. I now it’s tough when jobs move and that really does suck. But economies do transition. And Hillary for all the hatred of her did have plans to revitalize those communities but they didn’t want to hear about it. Either because she didn’t go to their resentments or because maybe they plain didn’t like her. I don’t know.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 7, 2017 • 7:51:10am

re: #83 MsJ

I think it’s deeper. Anything their guy (whomever THEIR guy is) = good. Anything Dem = Bad. If Trump did something with the Dems, it was his master 11th dimensional chess playing negotiating skills that got something something and he’s the best at something or other.

It used to be GOP=Good and Dem=Bad but now they’ve started to eat the GOP because of “establishment” this and that.

Of course, we have our own purity ponies to deal with so this isn’t exclusive to the GOP.

It’s not playing at all well on Freep. More RW than Freep is either full-blown Nazi or incoherently insane.

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makeitstop  Sep 7, 2017 • 7:51:40am

My comment about Facebook earlier this morning applies to Twitter as well.

Fuckers better make things right. Nothing less than full disclosure.

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ObserverArt  Sep 7, 2017 • 7:51:56am

re: #48 Decatur Deb

OK. Now I know the first stop after collecting the Mega-Powerball check:

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You’re gonna need the extra bucks to help cover the ride along mechanic.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 7:52:29am

re: #101 makeitstop

My comment about Facebook earlier this morning applies to Twitter as well.

Fuckers better make things right. Nothing less than full disclosure.

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It’s easy to see why disinformation spread so easily this past year.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 7, 2017 • 7:53:08am

re: #97 ObserverArt

I’ve been hearing reports some people are already showing symptoms from people being in water with funky petrochemicals. Some people are showing skin rashes and are getting sick.

With Trump tearing up the Federal safety systems and putting states in the responsibility of regulations we are going to be hearing about more and more nasty chemical and other environmental problems.

MAGA - Making America Goopy Again.

Part of the ‘slow’ deployment response by DoD elements is the requirement to get everybody fully up to date on their shots.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 7, 2017 • 7:54:33am

re: #102 ObserverArt

You’re gonna need the extra bucks to help cover the ride along mechanic.

I shall station them at 300 mi intervals along the route. The expensive part will be registering it in Italy—“the bribes will be ruinous”.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 7, 2017 • 7:54:42am

re: #97 ObserverArt

I’ve been hearing reports some people are already showing symptoms from people being in water with funky petrochemicals. Some people are showing skin rashes and are getting sick.

With Trump tearing up the Federal safety systems and putting states in the responsibility of regulations we are going to be hearing about more and more nasty chemical and other environmental problems.

MAGA - Making America Goopy Again.

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 7:54:52am

re: #90 Sir John Barron

Yes, for MAGA, the GOP congress itself can’t be trusted. Trump is their only true guardian, the only one dedicated to their interests, etc.

But I do think this represents an important shift in the conservative base or a large portion of that base, from a stance that, beginning with the Tea Party, was obstensibly about True Conservative Patriot Americans Less Government to a less ideological, more personal candidate driven Followerism.

The whole thing amazes me. Taxes? No problem! Build that wall…we’ll pay for it! You want to take my taxes for personal wealth gain? No Problem! Enjoy my money.

The hypocrisy stuns me.

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lawhawk  Sep 7, 2017 • 7:55:06am
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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 7:56:07am

re: #95 HappyWarrior

He’s such a pathetic douche.

I gave both him and Bernie a big fuck you. I expect the block any second now.

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makeitstop  Sep 7, 2017 • 7:56:36am

re: #103 HappyWarrior

It’s easy to see why disinformation spread so easily this past year.

FB and Twitter were all too eager to help Russia fuck shit up. They’d better be just as eager to cooperate with a federal investigation.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 7:56:58am

re: #109 MsJ

I gave both him and Bernie a big fuck you. I expect the block any second now.

I can’t say they don’t deserve it. You should read some of the nastiness directed at Hillary that I see in my FB TL from other lefties.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 7, 2017 • 7:58:34am

re: #88 MsJ

God, I absolutely despise this jerk.

Who is this? Who is the “David” mentioned here?

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ObserverArt  Sep 7, 2017 • 7:58:50am

re: #68 HappyWarrior

Probably the most damning passage of the first article about the Clinton excerpts:

Sanders did not lack the “time or infrastructure” to develop a compelling message for the South. He certainly could have utilized all the time he used to explaining why Clinton winning the black vote in the South didn’t mean anything (because you know, the South doesn’t vote Democratic in the general, so why worry about the black folk there…) to instead “develop a compelling message.” Sanders didn’t develop a message for the South - or for the midwest and the west with heavy Latino populations - because he never cared to. Trying to address racial inequities was a distraction from his economic message primarily focused to address white pain, and he wasn’t going to bother.

I very much agree with this. I don’t think Sanders is a bigot on the level of Trump or most wingnuts but I do think he has an indifference to racism and racial inequalities that Clinton to her credit did not.

Would not that indifference signal an issue with race? Ignoring it never helped this country in the past. Ignoring it now will just allow the backslide we are already seeing.

The news that White Christians are now not the majority of this country might be a good thing.

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 7:59:31am

re: #100 Decatur Deb

It’s not playing at all well on Freep. More RW than Freep is either full-blown Nazi or incoherently insane.

It’s not playing well at RedState either (Trump was always a Dem!!11!!!!). Hubby regularly reads RW sites to capture pulse,e etc. RWingers are not too happy with him. Which is why I fully expect a turnabout. He needs to be loved and Dems are not going to love him. Once Fox slaps him down, we’ll see a full 180.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 8:00:41am

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 8:02:13am

re: #112 Sir John Barron

Who is this? Who is the “David” mentioned here?

Sirota.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 8:02:18am

re: #113 ObserverArt

Would not that indifference signal an issue with race? Ignoring it never helped this country in the past. Ignoring it now will just allow the backslide we are already seeing.

The news that White Christians are now not the majority of this country might be a good thing.

Yeah, perhaps so. TBH I always was amused by the fact he sells himself as a proud New Yorker but he left NYC. I think Sanders is too chickenshit to discuss race honestly because maybe he knows deep down that race gets in the way of his economics driven narrative.

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ObserverArt  Sep 7, 2017 • 8:04:16am

re: #71 HappyWarrior

Which is naive as shit. I mean I can understand why the college kids that embrace him may believe that but he’s seventy six. He’s old enough to see that the WWC loudly rejected the Great Society explicitly because LBJ wanted to make sure every American regardless of race could enjoy the same fruits that the New Deal got many whites. Maybe he’s spent too much time in Vermont, I don’t know but he should know better than that.

Maybe “socialism” makes him blind to color since it is supposed to be for all.

Being blind though is no excuse for a presidential candidate. They should be considering all issues.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 8:04:39am

I don’t know. Sanders is a complicated guy IMO. I’ve seen that he can have a compassionate side but I’ve also seen him go off on reporters for simply asking him a question he didn’t like.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 7, 2017 • 8:06:10am

re: #116 MsJ

Sirota.

Ugh

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 8:07:15am

re: #118 ObserverArt

Maybe “socialism” makes him blind to color since it is supposed to be for all.

Being blind though is no excuse for a presidential candidate. They should be considering all issues.

Absolutely. He’s too busy seeing Wall Street and Big Business that he’s not seeing the other issues. I grew up in a very wealthy and diverse county but my one brother can still tell you about the differences in what he experienced driving with his African-American friends and driving with me were like. Sanders seems to see these issues as “distractions” and I think that’s why he never gained too much traction with minority communities, I think many of those communities were and still are receptive to a lot of his ideas but they wanted to see some empathy rather than dismissing their problems as mere distractions of capitalism.

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Interesting Times  Sep 7, 2017 • 8:07:49am

re: #114 MsJ

I’m still a bit confused on the implications of the deal with Pelosi/Schumer - from what I understand, trump agreed to Harvey Relief and a debt-ceiling extension for 3 months. Meanwhile, GOPers were pushing a 6-to-18 month extension and…? I don’t get it. Why is the 3-month window better than the longer one? What else were GOPers trying to get?

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Decatur Deb  Sep 7, 2017 • 8:08:37am

re: #122 Interesting Times

I’m still a bit confused on the implications of the deal with Pelosi/Schumer - from what I understand, trump agreed to Harvey Relief and a debt-ceiling extension for 3 months. Meanwhile, GOPers were pushing a 6-to-18 month extension and…? I don’t get it. Why is the 3-month window better than the longer one? What else were GOPers trying to get?

Beyond the next election cycle.

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451_Montag  Sep 7, 2017 • 8:09:54am

re: #122 Interesting Times

I’m still a bit confused on the implications of the deal with Pelosi/Schumer - from what I understand, trump agreed to Harvey Relief and a debt-ceiling extension for 3 months. Meanwhile, GOPers were pushing a 6-to-18 month extension and…? I don’t get it. Why is the 3-month window better than the longer one? What else were GOPers trying to get?

Also leverage for DACA talks.

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Belafon  Sep 7, 2017 • 8:10:24am

re: #122 Interesting Times

I’m still a bit confused on the implications of the deal with Pelosi/Schumer - from what I understand, trump agreed to Harvey Relief and a debt-ceiling extension for 3 months. Meanwhile, GOPers were pushing a 6-to-18 month extension and…? I don’t get it. Why is the 3-month window better than the longer one? What else were GOPers trying to get?

The GOP wanted to push the debt ceiling out past midterms.

Edit: As for what the Democrats get, this separates disaster funding from the debt ceiling, but it puts it in the middle of Christmas and when government funding will be discussed. And the GOP in both chambers are going to need Democrats for those deals because too many of their own members are going to be against specific parts of any negotiation: “I want spending reduced!” “I want more money for my project!”.

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ObserverArt  Sep 7, 2017 • 8:10:31am

re: #73 Charles Johnson

Charles Johnson ✔ @Green_Footballs
Replying to @realDonaldTrump
Your own administration just issued a statement telling them to prepare to be deported, you heartless lying monster.

Well, he skirted that by saying don’t worry for 6 months. Sometime around 5 months you probably should go into full panic.

How does anyone go day-to-day not knowing where you will be in 6 months?

I think some of them actually are enjoying fucking with people like this. Sessions smiling before the announcement was proof that little nazi is one of them getting off on all of this.

Fuck these monsters.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 7, 2017 • 8:12:03am

re: #125 Belafon

The GOP wanted to push the debt ceiling out past midterms.

Good rundown here:

politico.com

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 8:13:02am

re: #122 Interesting Times

I’m still a bit confused on the implications of the deal with Pelosi/Schumer - from what I understand, trump agreed to Harvey Relief and a debt-ceiling extension for 3 months. Meanwhile, GOPers were pushing a 6-to-18 month extension and…? I don’t get it. Why is the 3-month window better than the longer one? What else were GOPers trying to get?

Republicans wanted the next debt ceiling to be after the midterms. They don’t want to show the results of their douchebaggery before the election.

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451_Montag  Sep 7, 2017 • 8:18:05am

re: #110 makeitstop

FB and Twitter were all too eager to help Russia fuck shit up. They’d better be just as eager to cooperate with a federal investigation.

What strikes me is that the BBs were the intended targets of the misinformation. That’s important because the Russians saw the rise of Bernie as being the most destabilising aspect of the 2016 election along with Trump. Let that sink in. Beat or weaken Hillary by pushing Trump and enraging BBs. Sure they would have done the same to any Hillary primary opponent but he was an utter gift. Any other mainstream opponent would have been too close politically to drive such a wedge.

Trump wasn’t the Black Swan, Bernie was.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 7, 2017 • 8:18:53am

re: #127 Decatur Deb

Republicans thought Trump had agreed to their plan and then—

Only, Trump went rogue. White House officials apologized to congressional leaders after the meeting, according to a GOP source on Capitol Hill. But the damage was done.

(snip)

“A three-month debt ceiling? Why not do a daily debt ceiling?” cracked Rep. Mike Simpson (R-Idaho). “He’s the best deal-maker ever. Don’t you know? I mean, he’s got a book out!”

(snip)

“It’s just a betrayal of everything we’ve been talking about for years as Republicans,” said former Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.), who headed the Heritage Foundation and is still an influential conservative leader. “What the president’s going to find is … if they bet on Democratic votes they better plan on [giving up] a lot more than they think they’re going to.”

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Stanley Sea  Sep 7, 2017 • 8:19:17am

re: #92 wheat-dogg

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Decatur Deb  Sep 7, 2017 • 8:19:42am

re: #130 Sir John Barron

Republicans thought Trump had agreed to their plan and then—

(snip)

(snip)

Pity, that.

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Interesting Times  Sep 7, 2017 • 8:20:11am

re: #127 Decatur Deb

Good rundown here:

politico.com

“It’s fine,” McConnell said of his relationship with Trump. “Everything’s fine.”

Obligatory:

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ObserverArt  Sep 7, 2017 • 8:20:28am

re: #88 MsJ

God, I absolutely despise this jerk.

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Nice thing about the last few weeks…I get to post up some of my old photoshops because the same assholes are being their usual asshole selves again.

little davie sirota needs a nappy!
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FormerDirtDart  Sep 7, 2017 • 8:20:32am
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wheat-dogg  Sep 7, 2017 • 8:22:46am

re: #131 Stanley Sea

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Belafon  Sep 7, 2017 • 8:26:33am

re: #130 Sir John Barron

Republicans thought Trump had agreed to their plan and then—

(snip)

(snip)

You should replace snip with snicker.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 8:27:13am

re: #134 ObserverArt

Nice thing about the last few weeks…I get to post up some of my old photoshops because the same assholes are being their usual asshole selves again.

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What really annoys me is they say she’s dividing the party. The same party that their guy won’t even join. And she’s allowed to have gripes at him. And she’s certainly not the first losing candidate to openly show her gripes but Hillary gets a different standard even from the left.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 8:29:11am

I’m just sick of the Sanders supporters acting like their guy was completely blameless. He did call her crooked. He did a lot of damaging things but because they were so happy to have an unabahsed Democratic socialist, they didn’t care that he was a condescending jerk to her. They didn’t care that even though he’s been in Congress since 1990, he’s got few accomplishments. He’s got a good voting record but where was the leadership?

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Amory Blaine  Sep 7, 2017 • 8:31:01am

re: #14 The Vicious Babushka

Peggy has been into the Grey Goose again.

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re: #18 The Vicious Babushka

Peggy used a Yiddish word she doesn’t understand the meaning of. “Shonda” means disgrace. It’s a “shonda” that these racist traitors had their own stained glass window for so many years. But that’s not what she meant.

Peggy also can’t thread Tweets for shit, but that’s hard to do when you’re slobbering drunk.

Never forget ~ Peggy N
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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 8:32:30am

re: #140 Amory Blaine

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That is so wrong but hilarious. I’m surprised Peggy had time from fondling her Reagan doll to suggest that Jackson and Lee were somehow fighting a moral cause. Just an absurd suggestion she made. Yeah the Civil War was a moral cause and Lee/Jackson were on the wrong damn side of it.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 8:33:33am

Hey OA though, your Indians are really on a roll. Go easy on the O’s when they come to the Cleveland this weekend, you’re going to win the Central anyhow and probably be the 1 seed in the AL.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 7, 2017 • 8:33:59am

re: #132 Decatur Deb

Pity, that.

I’m all broken up.

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Targetpractice  Sep 7, 2017 • 8:34:09am

re: #130 Sir John Barron

Republicans thought Trump had agreed to their plan and then—

(snip)

(snip)

See, this is the problem right there. The debt ceiling increase used to a be formality, a bill that passed without comment and was treated as if it were just part of doing business. Then the GOP decided when a black man took office that suddenly, the debt ceiling was “SERIOUS BUSINESS!!11” and they needed to turn it into an annual drama where they try to use the threat of defaulting on the nation’s debts to extract concessions from the White House.

Well guess what, fuckers, that works both ways. The DNC isn’t in charge, they’re not going to be blamed if your nutty backbenchers push the country into a financial crisis.

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ObserverArt  Sep 7, 2017 • 8:34:19am

re: #122 Interesting Times

I’m still a bit confused on the implications of the deal with Pelosi/Schumer - from what I understand, trump agreed to Harvey Relief and a debt-ceiling extension for 3 months. Meanwhile, GOPers were pushing a 6-to-18 month extension and…? I don’t get it. Why is the 3-month window better than the longer one? What else were GOPers trying to get?

As far as I can tell, Trump did it as a poke to the eyes of Ryan and McConnell. I think he liked the power of it and it allows him to shake them up thinking they will cower to his power to be able to just skirt right past them. Also, they have to go through this all again so Trump may be thinking he softened them up to get more out of them in 3 months.

All it has done is put both Ryan and McConnell in bad moods and I think both are the kind of guys that are gonna go grudge on Trump and literally grind government to a stalemate.

And that stalemate might just be what the Democrats wanted. Pelosi and Schumer may be thinking they can syphon off enough “moderate” Republican votes while the GOP is at war with itself to create a majority of their own combining Democrats and a few Republicans.

Really nothing to lose for the Democrats. Lots to gain if they can stall things while Mueller is at work.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 7, 2017 • 8:34:33am

Enclosed Ford Fucus + smoking cigarette + dispersal of aerosol air freshener = Junior League Thermobaric/Fuel Air Explosive demonstration

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meteor  Sep 7, 2017 • 8:34:49am

I live near Tampa, on the west coast of Florida. Irma is supposed to run up the east coast. As of now, we’re okay. I’ll be watching the weather channel all day. Thanks.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 8:35:03am

Ryan is more mad about the debt calling than he was about how Trump responded to Charlottesville. If you needed proof that Ryan is an amoral asshole.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 7, 2017 • 8:35:11am

re: #144 Targetpractice

See, this is the problem right there. The debt ceiling increase used to a be formality, a bill that passed without comment and was treated as if it were just part of doing business. Then the GOP decided when a black man took office that suddenly, the debt ceiling was “SERIOUS BUSINESS!!11” and they needed to turn it into an annual drama where they try to use the threat of defaulting on the nation’s debts to extract concessions from the White House.

Remember that? Yeah, that was awesome. Good times.

/

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 8:35:18am

re: #147 meteor

I live near Tampa, on the west coast of Florida. Irma is supposed to run up the east coast. As of now, we’re okay. I’ll be watching the weather channel all day. Thanks.

Stay safe man.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 8:35:47am

re: #149 Sir John Barron

Remember that? Yeah, that was awesome. Good times.

/

Member when deficits didn’t matter. Yeah I ‘member!

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 7, 2017 • 8:36:14am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 8:37:03am

re: #152 FormerDirtDart

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He’s such a pathetic dick. Just like his dick father. The Pauls: Being dicks under the guise of LIBERTY.

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Targetpractice  Sep 7, 2017 • 8:38:07am

re: #152 FormerDirtDart

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I’m curious just what cuts he’s proposing. We already know that foreign aid alone won’t cover it. What “spending overseas” does he think is going to cover aid amounting to tends to hundreds of billions?

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Stanley Sea  Sep 7, 2017 • 8:38:53am

re: #136 wheat-dogg

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Decatur Deb  Sep 7, 2017 • 8:41:08am

re: #147 meteor

I live near Tampa, on the west coast of Florida. Irma is supposed to run up the east coast. As of now, we’re okay. I’ll be watching the weather channel all day. Thanks.

DIL from Pasco is driving a motorhome to N. Alabama to meet up with us. We’re continuing our plan to fall in on Daughter1, mostly as a family get-together now. (The storm looks like it will stay well to the East of us.) She actually could safely park here in S. Alabama, if the storm follows the script.

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electrotek  Sep 7, 2017 • 8:42:35am

Canada has been quietly providing refuge for LGBT Chechens without much fanfare.

Trump and Milo claimed to protect the LGBT community from Muslims, yet neither of them have even said anything about the plight of LGBT Chechens, let alone raise funds to assist them.

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meteor  Sep 7, 2017 • 8:43:55am

re: #150 HappyWarrior

Thanks.

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Belafon  Sep 7, 2017 • 8:44:37am

re: #146 FormerDirtDart

In the side bar is an article titled “Correction officer hospitalized after female captain yanks crotch”. I’ll have to look that one up later.

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meteor  Sep 7, 2017 • 8:44:39am

re: #156 Decatur Deb

Be safe!

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Sir John Barron  Sep 7, 2017 • 8:45:02am

re: #152 FormerDirtDart

We’ve had a disaster over here in America, so you people overseas need to pay the price.

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meteor  Sep 7, 2017 • 8:45:13am

re: #157 electrotek

God bless the Canadians.

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ObserverArt  Sep 7, 2017 • 8:45:14am

re: #142 HappyWarrior

Hey OA though, your Indians are really on a roll. Go easy on the O’s when they come to the Cleveland this weekend, you’re going to win the Central anyhow and probably be the 1 seed in the AL.

Easy on Baltimore? No way Steeler boy!

This is all about getting back in tune for the playoff series. They are sending a message as right now they are the hottest team in baseball. Statistically they are leading in so many categories so they are getting other teams concerned.

It’s going to be tough, but they deserve to make it back to the World Series due to what happened last year. They are now the team that hasn’t won for the longest time so hopefully they will get the attention the Cubs got from America last year.

I hope they make it. I hope if they get in the World Series I see LGF members backing them like many backed the Cubs last year. It was tough being sort of the lone guy around here.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 7, 2017 • 8:46:02am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 8:46:08am

re: #157 electrotek

Canada has been quietly providing refuge for LGBT Chechens without much fanfare.

Trump and Milo claimed to protect the LGBT community from Muslims, yet neither of them have even said anything about the plight of LGBT Chechens, let alone raise funds to assist them.

Trump and Milo only cared about using the homophobia that exists within the Muslim community to attack Muslims. Milo in particular is a pip squeak fraud who likes throwing around his sexuality to claim the alt-right isn’t bigoted but he’s really just a fucking jester douchebag.

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lawhawk  Sep 7, 2017 • 8:46:14am

re: #154 Targetpractice

I’m curious just what cuts he’s proposing. We already know that foreign aid alone won’t cover it. What “spending overseas” does he think is going to cover aid amounting to tends to hundreds of billions?

There isn’t.

They’d have to dip into the discretionary budget items, and then you’re opening up the usual can of worms showing the GOP to be nothing but a bunch of heartless bastards because it ultimately comes down to demanding safety net cuts all while demanding tax cuts for millionaires and corporations.

Watch; that’s exactly what is playing out once again. GOP wants out of the disaster relief obligation (there’s that pesky Constitution that gets in the way, that they ignore - Art. 1, Sec. 8 (General Welfare clause)) and they’ll shift the burdens to states that can’t afford them.

Texas has a $140 billion in damage? They can’t afford to rebuild the infrastructure portion on their own without federal assistance - not when the state wont dip into their rainy day fund.

Florida may see similar damage and both states have constitutional requirements for a balanced budget, which essentially means they can’t rebuild critical infrastructure without federal assistance.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 8:47:08am

re: #163 ObserverArt

Easy on Baltimore? No way Steeler boy!

This is all about getting back in tune for the playoff series. They are sending a message as right now they are the hottest team in baseball. Statistically they are leading in so many categories so they are getting other teams concerned.

It’s going to be tough, but they deserve to make it back to the World Series due to what happened last year. They are now the team that hasn’t won for the longest time so hopefully they will get the attention the Cubs got from America last year.

I hope they make it. I hope if they get in the World Series I see LGF members backing them like many backed the Cubs last year. It was tough being sort of the lone guy around here.

Hahaha I am just busting you again. Oh and if they make it, I’ll definitely back them. I want Brandon to get a ring. And I like Francona too.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 7, 2017 • 8:47:24am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 8:48:18am

rawstory.com

Uh huh…….you needed to see if she was fit to be President. Yeah Donald Jr. Okay and somehow your father who you were even upset about bragging about his sexual escapades when you were a little kid was. Or was that Eric that was bothered by that pathetic shit?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 8:48:35am

re: #168 FormerDirtDart

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Ryan’s such a phony.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 8:49:12am

You know, I don’t like the wingnuts at all but I can see why they hate Ryan and McConnell.

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ObserverArt  Sep 7, 2017 • 8:50:23am

re: #146 FormerDirtDart

Enclosed Ford Fucus + smoking cigarette + dispersal of aerosol air freshener = Junior League Thermobaric/Fuel Air Explosive demonstration

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People have no idea how air fresheners work. They are chemicals and not necessarily good ones. The fact it caused an explosion in a car like that should be a clue to what people are really breathing when they think it smells good.

I’d rather have some natural smells that will go away than to be in a chemical cloud. But that is just me.

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electrotek  Sep 7, 2017 • 8:50:42am

re: #165 HappyWarrior

Trump and Milo only cared about using the homophobia that exists within the Muslim community to attack Muslims. Milo in particular is a pip squeak fraud who likes throwing around his sexuality to claim the alt-right isn’t bigoted but he’s really just a fucking jester douchebag.

Yup.

Quite striking since it’s a Muslim leader purging the LGBT community in the province.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 7, 2017 • 8:50:42am
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TedStriker  Sep 7, 2017 • 8:52:05am

re: #172 ObserverArt

People have no idea how air fresheners work. They are chemicals and not necessarily good ones. The fact it caused an explosion in a car like that should be a clue to what people are really breathing when they think it smells good.

I’d rather have some natural smells that will go away than to be in a chemical cloud. But that is just me.

it’s not necessarily the actual air freshener ingredients that caused the explosion, it’s the propellants (usually propane and/or butane).

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 8:52:22am

re: #164 FormerDirtDart

Ann is a national treasure. I love her cartoons so much.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 7, 2017 • 8:52:52am

Yeah—there is a realistic risk just in travel, because we’re taking an antique travel trailer up through the back roads ahead of the wind. DIL is driving mostly to evacuate her dad’s motorhome itself, and a bunch of friends and pets. Our son’s company is putting his IT team up at a fallback site near Atlanta.

For you this one could be life-critical, for us it’s becoming a drill. We should pre-plan disaster evacuation safe-havens via LizardNet.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 7, 2017 • 8:53:24am
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lawhawk  Sep 7, 2017 • 8:53:25am

re: #169 HappyWarrior

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 8:53:30am

re: #166 lawhawk

There isn’t.

They’d have to dip into the discretionary budget items, and then you’re opening up the usual can of worms showing the GOP to be nothing but a bunch of heartless bastards because it ultimately comes down to demanding safety net cuts all while demanding tax cuts for millionaires and corporations.

Watch; that’s exactly what is playing out once again. GOP wants out of the disaster relief obligation (there’s that pesky Constitution that gets in the way, that they ignore - Art. 1, Sec. 8 (General Welfare clause)) and they’ll shift the burdens to states that can’t afford them.

Texas has a $140 billion in damage? They can’t afford to rebuild the infrastructure portion on their own without federal assistance - not when the state wont dip into their rainy day fund.

Florida may see similar damage and both states have constitutional requirements for a balanced budget, which essentially means they can’t rebuild critical infrastructure without federal assistance.

What they want to do is dip into (and decimate) SocSec.

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ObserverArt  Sep 7, 2017 • 8:55:25am

re: #167 HappyWarrior

Hahaha I am just busting you again. Oh and if they make it, I’ll definitely back them. I want Brandon to get a ring. And I like Francona too.

And I am busting back!

I know Steelers fans show no mercy on the Browns, so I keep that in mind. : )

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 8:55:59am

re: #172 ObserverArt

People have no idea how air fresheners work. They are chemicals and not necessarily good ones. The fact it caused an explosion in a car like that should be a clue to what people are really breathing when they think it smells good.

I’d rather have some natural smells that will go away than to be in a chemical cloud. But that is just me.

They all gross me out. I only use them if the “devils doughnuts” (my favorite commercial these days…never fails to make me laugh) are really bad, and the window is open. Open the window, quick spray, close the door so none of it comes into the house. They are so overpowering and nauseate me to no end.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 7, 2017 • 8:57:05am

re: #176 MsJ

Ann is a national treasure. I love her cartoons so much.

For me, she’s one of the very few good things I discovered during the 2016 election cycle

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 8:58:48am

re: #178 Dave In Austin

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I’m sick of the poor Saint Bernie bullshit. He was allowed to be condescending to her, question her progressive bonafidies, but how dare she point out the fucking truth which the man’s not a Democrat and he did constantly try to one up her.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 7, 2017 • 8:59:11am

re: #28 Decatur Deb

she likes it rare, but not bloody

Never mind, then.

took me a second…

she does not like to stir before noon, but I have seen her in sunlight and she does not glisten

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 7, 2017 • 9:00:21am

re: #33 MsJ

DT decided that a weak dollar was better for his businesses, I guess…

In what world that makes sense I do not know.

In a world where Trump Enterprises profits from massive money laundering schemes that he can influence through policy and legislation

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 9:00:52am

I would like to thank the Sanders campaign for awakening me that we do have sexism on the left though. Just as I’m glad that a lot of Hillary’s surrogates in 2008 woke me to the racism that we had too.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 9:07:16am

You know the elephant in the room here is as Trump shtis on DACA. It’s that Sanders own record on immigration isn’t that good. He got praised by Steve King no less for being atypical of many on the left on the subject. I admit, I didn’t like Sanders record on guns but I could forgive that but I was much less sympathetic knowing about his immigration record and the fact that he sponsored legislation that was considered among the worst acts of environmental racism. He gets a lot of passes from the self fancied progressive left because as I’ve said, I think they were just too happy to have someone unashamed to call themselves a socialist and you know what, I get that, I hate that most Americans equate socialism with Maoism and Stalinism.

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jaunte  Sep 7, 2017 • 9:09:32am
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ObserverArt  Sep 7, 2017 • 9:09:46am

re: #175 TedStriker

it’s not necessarily the actual air freshener ingredients that caused the explosion, it’s the propellants (usually propane and/or butane).

I don’t think butane and propane is something you want to be breathing in.

It’s just my opinion based on an activity that used to go on at my old job. I worked around a lot of guys…racing team and auto parts, etc.

Sometimes to cover the offensive smells they would almost empty a damn can of air freshener. I found myself many times having a hard time breathing in that environment.

One day I grabbed a can and started to read the ingredients. Not good.

That was some time ago, so maybe some of them have toned down the contents.

But if you type in “are air fresheners bad for you” into Google, check the results. Sure some of it might be scare tactics but I think it best to err on the side of being wary of them.

I have a very sensitive nose and it tingles every time I get around air fresheners. A little sting in the eyes too. Maybe it is just me.

Here is an article that pops up in that search. It is a bit dated, but I think much of it still exists.

howstuffworks. com - Are air fresheners bad for your health?

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Stanley Sea  Sep 7, 2017 • 9:10:57am

:(

Life has been a heady journey for Mr. Carter, a middle-class product of the Ottawa suburbs, who as a youth worked stints as a railway lineman and cemetery digger. He talked his way into a job at Time in the late 1970s before cofounding, in 1986, Spy magazine, whose cheeky skewering of the Manhattan power elite would influence a generation of journalists and writers.

Spy took special glee in attacking Mr. Trump, who Mr. Carter memorably deemed a “short-fingered vulgarian.” Among the magazine’s pranks was to mail checks of smaller and smaller quantities to celebrities and wait to see who was avaricious enough to cash them; Mr. Trump redeemed a check for 13 cents.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 7, 2017 • 9:13:04am

re: #189 jaunte

This is how the state kills people of color without saying they are killing people of color

School-to-bayou pipeline.

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 9:14:14am

Welp…

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 9:15:24am

re: #193 MsJ

Damn.

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jaunte  Sep 7, 2017 • 9:15:25am

re: #192 Decatur Deb

One of my uncles was a police chief in Polk County in the 1950’s. (Winter Haven)
He was also a Klan member.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 9:17:27am

re: #193 MsJ

Welp…

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Time to kill your son Rodrigo. // Fucking assohle.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 9:17:52am

re: #195 jaunte

One of my uncles was a police chief in Polk County in the 1950’s. (Winter Haven)
He was also a Klan member.

Oh wow, I can’t imagine having a family member that was in the Klan.

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ObserverArt  Sep 7, 2017 • 9:19:25am

re: #193 MsJ

Welp…

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DICKtators.

Corruption is only for them.

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jaunte  Sep 7, 2017 • 9:19:28am

re: #197 HappyWarrior

I think it’s probably pretty common, but people don’t talk about it.
amazon.com

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Decatur Deb  Sep 7, 2017 • 9:19:46am

re: #197 HappyWarrior

Oh wow, I can’t imagine having a family member that was in the Klan.

That’s why young people often deny how far we’ve come. And how much of it we have to lose.

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EPR-radar  Sep 7, 2017 • 9:20:27am

re: #187 HappyWarrior

I would like to thank the Sanders campaign for awakening me that we do have sexism on the left though. Just as I’m glad that a lot of Hillary’s surrogates in 2008 woke me to the racism that we had too.

Sanders and his more obnoxious supporters should just fuck off with their divisive personality-driven bullshit.

However, the Democrats do need to beef up their proposals on economic policy issues.

The ever-increasing gap between productivity and wages means that many who work in the US will be worse off economically than their parents were. In general this is politically destabilizing, and in the US it gets worse because people who are worse off than their parents are going to disproportionally be white.

So we have one of the classic ingredients for a revolution coupled with race issues the US has always had difficulty dealing with.

The Democrats must absolutely not pander to racist sentiments that too many in the white working class use to justify tr*mp support. It’s politically hopeless to try to outdo Republicans on this front, and it would be reprehensible to try. Instead the Democrats need to take a hard look at that productivity-wages gap and come up with some bold proposals.

IMO ‘business as usual’ on economics (with tweaks here and there) will either lose to right wing populist lies or win by such puny margins that little/nothing can be done.

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 9:20:53am

HAHAHA!!!

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 9:22:17am

re: #199 jaunte

I think it’s probably pretty common, but people don’t talk about it.
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You gotta remember that I’m descended primarily from Catholics and Northerners. And the Protestants I did have were Lutheran and anti-prohibition, the KKK during the time they were alive was very pro prohibition.

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ObserverArt  Sep 7, 2017 • 9:22:22am

re: #199 jaunte

I think it’s probably pretty common, but people don’t talk about it.
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I have an older brother that might as well wear the sheets. Sadly, I stay away from him. The Obama years were not good. I imagine Trump has really loosened him up, so I continue to stay away.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 9:23:14am

re: #201 EPR-radar

Sanders and his more obnoxious supporters should just fuck off with their divisive personality-driven bullshit.

However, the Democrats do need to beef up their proposals on economic policy issues.

The ever-increasing gap between productivity and wages means that many who work in the US will be worse off economically than their parents were. In general this is politically destabilizing, and in the US it gets worse because people who are worse off than their parents are going to disproportionally be white.

So we have one of the classic ingredients for a revolution coupled with race issues the US has always had difficulty dealing with.

The Democrats must absolutely not pander to racist sentiments that too many in the white working class use to justify tr*mp support. It’s politically hopeless to try to outdo Republicans on this front, and it would be reprehensible to try. Instead the Democrats need to take a hard look at that productivity-wages gap and come up with some bold proposals.

IMO ‘business as usual’ on economics (with tweaks here and there) will either lose to right wing populist lies or win by such puny margins that little/nothing can be done.

You do make good points.

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jaunte  Sep 7, 2017 • 9:24:05am

re: #204 ObserverArt

Everyone should read Ta-Nehisi Coates’ latest:

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 9:27:09am

re: #206 jaunte

Everyone should read Ta-Nehisi Coates’ latest:

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Read that this morning. Such a great read.

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 7, 2017 • 9:27:43am

re: #194 MsJ

Damn.

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Jail or kill all the other competition and that leaves you with a monopoly. Law and Order in support of “capitalism”.

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ObserverArt  Sep 7, 2017 • 9:27:56am

re: #206 jaunte

Everyone should read Ta-Nehisi Coates’ latest:

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I have that opened in another tab from earlier.

I so want to put that in front of some Berners I know, but I know it will be shut down with stuff like “Trump won because so many people hated Clinton…the Democrats blew it” and the like. Pointless in this political environment.

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 9:29:20am
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jaunte  Sep 7, 2017 • 9:29:33am

re: #209 ObserverArt

One fish asks another fish “how’s the water?” The other fish replies, “what the hell is water?”

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 9:30:17am

re: #209 ObserverArt

I have that opened in another tab from earlier.

I so want to put that in front of some Berners I know, but I know it will be shut down with stuff like “Trump won because so many people hated Clinton…the Democrats blew it” and the like. Pointless in this political environment.

The other article that Citizen K linked to was quite good too. It really I think in its own way showed why Clinton was more courageous in confronting issues that Sanders was not. I’ve noticed something funny about candidates like Sanders and Ron Paul, I bring Ron Paul up because Ron Paul like Bernie had a huge youth following among white college kids. Both are older guys who sound revolutionary but are actually I’d say relics in many a way.

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ObserverArt  Sep 7, 2017 • 9:30:48am

re: #208 Eventual Carrion

Jail or kill all the other competition and that leaves you with a monopoly. Law and Order in support of “capitalism”.

Is it that all different with Trump and his family?

Instead of drugs, it is money.

At least what we know so far.

Speaking of Trump family. Is it any more clear that Donny Junior is being exposed now and is changing his story about the Russian exploratory email?

Snakes…all of them.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 9:32:32am

re: #211 jaunte

One fish asks another fish “how’s the water?” The other fish replies, “what the hell is water?”

It’s easy to dismiss white privilege when the key to white privilege working is for it to be invisible. White privilege isn’t necessarily me getting into college easier because I’m white. It’s about things just being shrugged off when I’m white. White males in my demographic- I’m a 30 year old straight white male compromise most serial killers. Is there talk in the media about how the white community needs to “address” this? No. Is “white culture” blamed for the poverty of Appalachia?

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Romantic Heretic  Sep 7, 2017 • 9:34:31am

re: #193 MsJ

I always figured Duterte’s ‘war’ was just thinning out the competition.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 7, 2017 • 9:35:02am

re: #210 MsJ

That’s a slap in the face to theTea Party brand of reducing the size of government.

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 9:35:11am

I hate Republicans and I hate smiling racist Sessions even more. That fucker took such glee from his DACA announcement. GAH!

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 9:37:07am

I get why Sanders had appeal. I really do but I also get why even some ardent lefties were turned off too. It’s not even really the fact that he’s not a Democrat. It’s that if you really look at Sanders, it’s apparent he’s not a team player which I find hilarious given you need team play to get the society he wants. A lot of lefty Dems didn’t seem to understand why people preferred Clinton over him and I think part of the reason is Clinton campaigned for many of them. You can cry about that being politics all you want but the fact is, when you’re an elected official, it’s nice to know someone has your back. I said it yesterday but I think last year was the first honest to God time that Bernie actually campaigned for a Democrat. Meanwhile we’ve all probably had Clinton campaign in our states for one Democrat or the other. I can remember Hillary and Obama campaigning for Kaine when he ran for Governor in 2005, Bill and Hill did the same for Governor McAuliffe, etc. Politics is a team game and it’s ironic to me that the face of the ideology that should be all about workign together is one of the most selfish politicians I’ve seen. He did endorse Tom Perriello here in Virginia but as I recall, he made his endorsement and lent his name and that was pretty much it.

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meteor  Sep 7, 2017 • 9:37:18am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 9:37:31am

re: #217 MsJ

I hate Republicans and I hate smiling racist Sessions even more. That fucker took such glee from his DACA announcement. GAH!

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It breaks my heart so much.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 9:38:03am

re: #219 meteor

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It won’t pass but I support it anyohw.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 9:41:26am

By the way, I really think Tom Perriello is the man that the Berners think Bernie is. He’s a selfless, public servant who truly does want to listen to people of all backgrounds, someone who has perspective, etc. I like Ralph Northam and I think he’ll be a solid governor but I have no regrets about campaigning for Tom and I really hope he doesn’t give up on elected politics after this.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 7, 2017 • 9:42:30am

This is big news.

Trump, Schumer agree to pursue plan to repeal the debt ceiling
washingtonpost.com

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EPR-radar  Sep 7, 2017 • 9:47:27am

re: #223 wheat-dogg

This is big news.

Trump, Schumer agree to pursue plan to repeal the debt ceiling
washingtonpost.com

The debt ceiling is one of the stupidest things in US politics. If tr*mp really is in support of getting rid of it permanently, that would be the first time I’ve agreed with the Orange Oaf on any policy issue.

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nines09  Sep 7, 2017 • 9:48:17am

re: #223 wheat-dogg

This is big news.

Trump, Schumer agree to pursue plan to repeal the debt ceiling
washingtonpost.com

Quote;
One of the people familiar described it as a “gentlemen’s agreement.”

Whoops. Sinks that.

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 9:51:00am

re: #223 wheat-dogg

This is big news.

Trump, Schumer agree to pursue plan to repeal the debt ceiling
washingtonpost.com

Ryan already said he’s against it. He want’s the Power of the Purse to remain in Congress. He just doesn’t want to pay for stuff he’s already spent money on.

And he’s considered a wonk.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 9:53:01am

re: #226 MsJ

Ryan already said he’s against it. He want’s the Power of the Purse to remain in Congress. He just doesn’t want to pay for stuff he’s already spent money on.

And he’s considered a wonk.

Ryan’s “wonkness” has always been so overstated.

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 9:55:56am

re: #227 HappyWarrior

Ryan’s “wonkness” has always been so overstated.

I always liken it to Chuck Todd being the numbers guy. He’s as dumb as a stump. Way overrated, just like Ryan.

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ObserverArt  Sep 7, 2017 • 9:56:51am

re: #227 HappyWarrior

Ryan’s “wonkness” has always been so overstated.

But his being a wanker is extremely evident.

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 9:57:31am

Why the right hates Pelosi, part 3,989,348,980,984.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 9:58:57am

re: #229 ObserverArt

But his being a wanker is extremely evident.

Yep.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 9:59:54am

re: #230 MsJ

Why the right hates Pelosi, part 3,989,348,980,984.

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I can see some people on the left not seeing how brilliant this is. Nancy’s a clever one.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:00:08am

re: #228 MsJ

I always liken it to Chuck Todd being the numbers guy. He’s as dumb as a stump. Way overrated, just like Ryan.

Yep.

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jaunte  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:00:16am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:00:57am

J, it’s like Newt said to be an intellectual. He’s not but we’re told he is.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:02:07am

re: #234 jaunte

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Mikey should just talk. I hear the Rockies are lonely in winter.

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Teukka  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:02:14am

re: #146 FormerDirtDart

Enclosed Ford Fucus + smoking cigarette + dispersal of aerosol air freshener = Junior League Thermobaric/Fuel Air Explosive demonstration

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Looking at the pic, it did improve ventilation…
*ducks*

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:02:55am

re: #237 Teukka

Looking at the pic, it did improve ventilation…
*ducks*

I would say that it improved the car overall…

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makeitstop  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:04:35am

re: #232 HappyWarrior

I can see some people on the left not seeing how brilliant this is. Nancy’s a clever one.

She’s routinely and successfully pulled off end-runs around supposed ‘experienced’ legislators like McConnell. She very quietly makes them look like the fools they are.

Why people want to replace her, I’ll never know. Hell, if the Senate goes D next year I wouldn’t mind if the gavel ended up in her hands. Wouldn’t mind it at all.

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jaunte  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:05:27am

Competition, the lifeblood of America, to be avoided at all costs.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:06:34am

Want to find out how terribly out of shape you are? Help someone move.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:06:56am

re: #240 jaunte

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Competition, the lifeblood of America, to be avoided at all costs.

How dare they do well at school!

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:07:23am

re: #239 makeitstop

She’s routinely and successfully pulled off end-runs around supposed ‘experienced’ legislators like McConnell. She very quietly makes them look like the fools they are.

Why people want to replace her, I’ll never know. Hell, if the Senate goes D next year I wouldn’t mind if the gavel ended up in her hands. Wouldn’t mind it at all.

She’s great.

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:07:23am

Andy is back. Love this guy.

Thread.

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Skip Intro  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:09:29am

re: #152 FormerDirtDart

Let’s cut Senator’s salaries and benefits. That would be a good start.

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ObserverArt  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:09:38am

re: #239 makeitstop

She’s routinely and successfully pulled off end-runs around supposed ‘experienced’ legislators like McConnell. She very quietly makes them look like the fools they are.

Why people want to replace her, I’ll never know. Hell, if the Senate goes D next year I wouldn’t mind if the gavel ended up in her hands. Wouldn’t mind it at all.

You mean the House of Reps, right?

I am thinking she suffers from the same main problem as Hillary.

She is a strong and driven woman.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:10:55am

re: #157 electrotek

Canada has been quietly providing refuge for LGBT Chechens without much fanfare.

Trump and Milo claimed to protect the LGBT community from Muslims, yet neither of them have even said anything about the plight of LGBT Chechens, let alone raise funds to assist them.

Just like they don’t give a shit about “homeless American veterans” unless it’s to use them as a club to beat immigrants.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:11:44am

re: #242 HappyWarrior

How dare they do well at school!

How dare they do better than white students!

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:11:49am

re: #246 ObserverArt

You mean the House of Reps, right?

I am thinking she suffers from the same main problem as Hillary.

She is a strong and driven woman.

A lot of the same people who hate Hillary hate Nancy as well. The most pathetic thing was seeing I think one of the Young Turks dudes blame her for the Iraq War Resolution passing even though A) Republicans controlled the House in 2002, B) Nancy opposed it, and C) Not only did she oppose it she whipped up Democratic opposition to it but because the far left hates the Dem establishment so much, they don’t care about these pesky things called facts.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:11:59am

re: #240 jaunte

Competition, the lifeblood of America, to be avoided at all costs.

yeah, illegal alien freaks are supposed to freaks and thugs, not kicking our asses in academics!

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Sir John Barron  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:12:28am

re: #240 jaunte

Todd Starnes

Wait, I think I see the problem here.

Whatever follows the name Todd Starnes is unlikely to be good.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:12:35am

re: #247 The Vicious Babushka

Just like they don’t give a shit about “homeless American veterans” unless it’s to use them as a club to beat immigrants.

Or homeless kids when shitting on DREAMers. I am so sick of the “Hey you can’t be bothered by A because B.” Teh right pulls this shit time and time again.

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lawhawk  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:12:49am

Nothing to see here.

The same companies that have had issues with inadequately vetting security clearances face a backlog and are still allowing people who shouldn’t be anywhere near classified info to get temporary clearances.

That’s a separate question from the need/reason to have so much classified info, especially when that info is often mischaracterized or misclassified as sensitive for no good reason.

The entire process is screwed up, and we’ve got prime examples among the WH officials themselves - who shouldn’t have been granted clearance or should have their clearance revoked for lying (Kushner, yeah, we’re looking at you kid).

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:13:14am

Further fracturing the right.

“Some conservatives are upset” about the decision Trump made to support the Democratic spending bill, Fox & Friends co-host Pete Hegseth said Thursday morning.

“Big time,” Steve Doocy, his co-host, agreed.

“Big time,” Hegseth echoed. “But you know what? This is a clear shot at [Senate Majority Leader] Mitch McConnell and [Speaker of the House] Paul Ryan: ‘Hey guys, if you can’t get things done, then, listen, I’ll go work with the Democrats.’”

“‘And I’ll work with the things like raising the debt ceiling, and the continuing resolution to fund the government, and [Hurricane] Irma,’” Hegseth said, trailing off while listing the various benefits included in the Democratic package. He went on to commend the president for being “very strategic” in working with the House and Senate minority leaders, Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer.

“Isn’t it refreshing to see them work together, though?” co-host Ainsley Earhardt said.

And then Dobbs chimed in.

“The president not only took RINO [Republican In Name Only] Ryan to the woodshed but eliminated any need for any Republican to ever pretend again that Ryan is a real Republican in any way or that any RINO has a political future after Mr. Trump simply booted the hapless fool of a Speaker out of the way of those trying to get the nation’s business done,” Dobbs said.

“Contrast Ryan’s inane insults, his obstinance and subversion of President Trump to the behavior and rhetoric of Democratic leadership of late,” Dobbs continued. “They’ve calmed themselves. They’ve been far more conciliatory in their rhetoric over recent weekends and now Ryan is fully exposed to the nation.”

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:13:27am

re: #251 Sir John Barron

Wait, I think I see the problem here

My favorite was when he was remiscinating about how when he was a kid a rainbow was just a rainbow and someone pointed out to him that he grew up in the 80’s well after the LGBT community adopted it as their symbol and that he should shut up and stop acting like he grew up in the 50’s.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:14:44am

re: #253 lawhawk

Nothing to see here.

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The same companies that have had issues with inadequately vetting security clearances face a backlog and are still allowing people who shouldn’t be anywhere near classified info to get temporary clearances.

That’s a separate question from the need/reason to have so much classified info, especially when that info is often mischaracterized or misclassified as sensitive for no good reason.

The entire process is screwed up, and we’ve got prime examples among the WH officials themselves - who shouldn’t have been granted clearance or should have their clearance revoked for lying (Kushner, yeah, we’re looking at you kid).

Oh but we can’t let DACA recipients because they might be criminals, let’s turn a blind eye to actual criminals. And you’re right. Tehse are the same firms that have made a lot of mistakes vettign other people. But hey business always knows best. //

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Sir John Barron  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:15:38am

re: #254 MsJ

“The president not only took RINO [Republican In Name Only] Ryan to the woodshed but eliminated any need for any Republican to ever pretend again that Ryan is a real Republican in any way or that any RINO has a political future after Mr. Trump simply booted the hapless fool of a Speaker out of the way of those trying to get the nation’s business done,” Dobbs said.

Read this a couple of times and still not sure I follow. But it’s Lou Dobbs so….

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Sir John Barron  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:16:10am

re: #255 HappyWarrior

My favorite was when he was remiscinating about how when he was a kid a rainbow was just a rainbow and someone pointed out to him that he grew up in the 80’s well after the LGBT community adopted it as their symbol and that he should shut up and stop acting like he grew up in the 50’s.

The greatest evil the LGBT ever did was take away Todd Starnes’ warm and fuzzy memories of rainbows.

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Shropshire Slasher  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:16:14am

re: #102 ObserverArt

You’re gonna need the extra bucks to help cover the ride along mechanic.

If you buy a Jaguar, buy two so you have one to drive while the other is in the shop.

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Skip Intro  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:16:18am

re: #254 MsJ

Dobbs really belongs at Breitbart or World Nut Daily. Even by Fox’s below zero standards he still fails.

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makeitstop  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:16:59am

re: #245 Skip Intro

Let’s cut Senator’s salaries and benefits. That would be a good start.

I’m good with them making the median salary of their district. And paying for their own health care and their own flights to and from DC.

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jaunte  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:17:09am

re: #255 HappyWarrior

My favorite was when he was remiscinating about how when he was a kid a rainbow was just a rainbow and someone pointed out to him that he grew up in the 80’s well after the LGBT community adopted it as their symbol and that he should shut up and stop acting like he grew up in the 50’s.

Magically spinning resentment from light refraction.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:17:42am

re: #258 Sir John Barron

The greatest evil the LGBT ever did was take away Todd Starnes’ warm and fuzzy memories of rainbows.

I know, the poor dear.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:17:51am

re: #254 MsJ

“The president not only took RINO [Republican In Name Only] Ryan to the woodshed but eliminated any need for any Republican to ever pretend again that Ryan is a real Republican in any way or that any RINO has a political future after Mr. Trump simply booted the hapless fool of a Speaker out of the way of those trying to get the nation’s business done,” Dobbs said.

My wingnut-to-reality translator is broken.

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makeitstop  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:17:56am

re: #246 ObserverArt

You mean the House of Reps, right?

I am thinking she suffers from the same main problem as Hillary.

She is a strong and driven woman.

Right. Duh.

Only one cup of coffee this morning, residual fog lingering…

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:18:38am

re: #261 makeitstop

I’m good with them making the median salary of their district. And paying for their own health care and their own flights to and from DC.

I honestly don’t mind their salaries that much but I wish they would hsut the fuck up about how hard they got and then you have people like Chaffetz who complain about that and then vote to screw people who actually do need help.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:19:30am

re: #263 HappyWarrior

I know, the poor dear.

There were the Christian martyrs in the age of Rome or during Bloody Mary’s reign and then there is Todd Starnes. Same thing.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:20:11am

I mean I get why they hate the R establishment but Trump’s the one who actually sold them out to work with Schumer. All people like Dobbs and a lot of the R base really care about is having a bigot in charge. The whole pretense of conservativism being about limited government, lower taxes, etc has always been a front for what most Republican voters really want, a government that prefers white people.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:20:27am

re: #267 Sir John Barron

There were the Christian martyrs in the age of Rome or during Bloody Mary’s reign and then there is Todd Starnes. Same thing.

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Our Douchebag of the Sad Rainbow.

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:20:30am

re: #257 Sir John Barron

Read this a couple of times and still not sure I follow. But it’s Lou Dobbs so….

Honestly, I have no idea why they are on Ryan so much. He is doing the republican god’s work…all for money. I don’t understand them turning on him at all.

Not that I am complaining, mind you, but it’s just…confusing.

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lawhawk  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:21:30am
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Sir John Barron  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:22:09am

re: #270 MsJ

Honestly, I have no idea why they are on Ryan so much. He is doing the republican god’s work…all for money. I don’t understand them turning on him at all.

Not that I am complaining, mind you, but it’s just…confusing.

Yeah, I’m rather baffled.

But Ryan knew this, or should have known this going in. This is what he was going to get.

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:22:09am

re: #268 HappyWarrior

I mean I get why they hate the R establishment but Trump’s the one who actually sold them out to work with Schumer. All people like Dobbs and a lot of the R base really care about is having a bigot in charge. The whole pretense of conservativism being about limited government, lower taxes, etc has always been a front for what most Republican voters really want, a government that prefers white people.

True. Dobbs has been an open bigot for years. He harped on immigrants for years before it was cool (in GOP circles) to do so.

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Amory Blaine  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:24:03am

Just donated to the Ironstache and signed up to volunteer.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:24:05am
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Sir John Barron  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:24:07am

re: #273 MsJ

True. Dobbs has been an open bigot for years. He harped on immigrants for years before it was cool (in GOP circles) to do so.

That was when Dobbs was almost sane on most other topics, but immigration he’s always been raging about. Of course now he’s almost Alex Jones.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:27:36am

re: #273 MsJ

True. Dobbs has been an open bigot for years. He harped on immigrants for years before it was cool (in GOP circles) to do so.

Yeah he was hating on immigrants when Dubya was supporting immigration reform. My grandfather sigh sadly liked him a bit since he eevn though being an immigrant’s son himself had some of the same views but I think he mostly liked Lou’s views on trade.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:28:17am

re: #276 Sir John Barron

That was when Dobbs was almost sane on most other topics, but immigration he’s always been raging about. Of course now he’s almost Alex Jones.

Yeah Dobbs was always a dick about immigration and something of a paleo-con but he wasn’t quite Pat Buchanan and Alex Jones’ love child as he is now.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:28:29am

re: #275 Stanley Sea

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Whoa. :(

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:33:40am

You know this shit about Hillary’s book pisses me off. All these holier than thou lefties crying about her not taking responsibility. Your’e seeing excerpts. You don’t know if she takes responsibility or not. And furthermore, you’re the same ones who blame other people for Bernie losing and don’t impose this “Take responsibility” on candidates you likr losing.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:35:19am

the gop having become world experts at spinning away reality are now busy explaining that trump destroying the congressional republican party is Just Great I Love It Fuck Those RINOs Anyway

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:36:32am

I know what your asking, “Ace, why are you bothering to mockingly reply to a bot?”
……..because…..reasons…..DON’T JUDGE ME!

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Teukka  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:37:52am

re: #279 HappyWarrior

Whoa. :(

I concur with your assessment.
Also, I would think that one or two “Fucks” would aptly describe the emotional state when seeing that 5 kitteh storm (and that’s because they only count up to 5 kittehs, I’ve heard some say that this would be a 6 or 7 kitteh event if the scale went that far).

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:39:07am

re: #282 Ace-o-aces

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I know what your asking, “Ace, why are you bothering to mockingly reply to a bot?”
……..because…..reasons…..DON’T JUDGE ME!

You notice that the people that they go after the most are Hillary’s women and minority advocates.

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makeitstop  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:40:29am

Trumps are fuckin’ dumb, man…

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Charles Johnson  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:41:22am
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Citizen K  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:41:52am

It’s almost like there’s a giant fucking double standard at work here.

For fuck’s sake, this shit’s going to give me a nervous tic at this rate.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:42:13am

re: #285 makeitstop

Trumps are fuckin’ dumb, man…

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Ha, what an idjit.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:42:54am

re: #287 Citizen K

[Embedded content]

It’s almost like there’s a giant fucking double standard at work here.

For fuck’s sake, this shit’s going to give me a nervous tic at this rate.

No, John, you went on every talk show that you could find and took every opportunity you could in the Senate to belittle the new President.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:44:13am

And this is true. Gore lost to Bush and many people wanted him to run again in 2004. If Hillary’s so pathetic for losing to Trump, what does it say about Bernie that he lost to her?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:45:06am

And yeah I’m going there Bros. You say Clinton clearly sucks because she lost to Trump. Your guy couldn’t even make it to Trump. You can claim that it was rigged all you want but guess what, Obama beat her. You wanted the rules to be bent for your guy who ain’t even a Dem.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:45:47am

She’s not even allowed to write a book.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:46:39am

re: #292 Stanley Sea

She’s not even allowed to write a book.

I’m really sick of the way she’s treated left and right. And you know what, she ain’t wrong about Sanders. The Something About Mary ref I think was pretty spot on and she’s right, he’s NOT a Democrat.

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lawhawk  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:48:16am

re: #286 Charles Johnson

I routinely block people for meme dumbassery - as though a BS meme that completely ignores facts, logic, and reality is a winning argument.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:49:31am

Here’s the thing though about Hillary. We actually like her when she’s in office. As First Lady, she was consistently named among the most admired people in the country. She was a popular Senator and Secretary of State, praised by members of both parties but when she decides she has presidential aspriations, we hate her and that’s why I’m not falling for this “How dare Hillary attack Bernie, America’s most popular politician,” Bernie won’t be as beloved when he’s actually subjected to the same scrutiny that other politicians have gotten.

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Citizen K  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:53:02am

re: #295 HappyWarrior

Here’s the thing though about Hillary. We actually like her when she’s in office. As First Lady, she was consistently named among the most admired people in the country. She was a popular Senator and Secretary of State, praised by members of both parties but when she decides she has presidential aspriations, we hate her and that’s why I’m not falling for this “How dare Hillary attack Bernie, America’s most popular politician,” Bernie won’t be as beloved when he’s actually subjected to the same scrutiny that other politicians have gotten.

The only time Hillary gets shit upon is when she’s actually in the course of running for something. Her approval rating was 60%+ before her candidacy started, and suddenly , the same bullshit gets trotted out and we’re supposed to believe she’s the greatest grand Super-Satan in the history of all time.

The unfortunate lesson of it all pretty much is ‘it doesn’t matter how good you are, popular you are, qualified you are, soon as Republicans will it so, the public WILL treat you like The Antichrist, no questions asked’

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Sir John Barron  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:53:38am

re: #292 Stanley Sea

She’s not even allowed to write a book.

Or appear on TV or tweet anything. The Hillary-hate fest cannot be satiated.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:54:05am

re: #296 Citizen K

The only time Hillary gets shit upon is when she’s actually in the course of running for something. Her approval rating was 60%+ before her candidacy started, and suddenly , the same bullshit gets trotted out and we’re supposed to believe she’s the greatest grand Super-Satan in the history of all time.

The unfortunate lesson of it all pretty much is ‘it doesn’t matter how good you are, popular you are, qualified you are, soon as Republicans will it so, the public WILL treat you like The Antichrist, no questions asked’

“Most hated candidate of all time.” But it’s not just the Republicans that do this shit. I blame a lot of the left for the demonizing of her too. And St. Sanders and his surrogates bear a lot of responsbility for that shit.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:54:53am

re: #197 HappyWarrior

Oh wow, I can’t imagine having a family member that was in the Klan.

I can. Though I have no proof.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:55:10am

re: #297 Sir John Barron

Or appear on TV or tweet anything. The Hillary-hate fest cannot be satiated.

This sadly is one of the few places I feel I can talk how I really feel about Clinton. It’s trendy to hate her. If you prefer her to Bernie in my demo, there’s obviously something “wrong” with you.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:55:19am

re: #287 Citizen K

It’s almost like there’s a giant fucking double standard at work here.

For fuck’s sake, this shit’s going to give me a nervous tic at this rate.

Of course after he lost McCain just went back to the Senate and ran for re-election again. And again.

Hey I’m glad he spiked the most recent Obamacare repeal. But you know, John, don’t complain about somebody else writing a book.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:55:44am

Shit is getting real in Florida. #HurricaneIrma

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:57:31am

re: #240 jaunte

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Competition, the lifeblood of America, to be avoided at all costs.

Stole A-grades from deserving whites.

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Alephnaught  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:57:50am

Bit of lightness for now. Was talking with friends about beverages which no longer exist. I mentioned Quatro, a short-lived soft drink in the mid 1980s, based on a four fruit juice base. They didn’t remember it, it was that brief, it seemed it was just me that was drinking cans of it exclusively for just a single summer because I was bored with the ubiquitous Irn Bru. And then it just disappeared. Even though it had a very memorable advert on both TV and cinema. I tried to explain the advert to my friends, but gave up and just said it’s about as 80s as you could imagine, and then did a quick search for the ad on YouTube.

I found it. And it’s even more 80s than I remember it.

(The “malfunction” bit is my favourite part.)

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Belafon  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:58:18am

re: #240 jaunte

Competition, the lifeblood of America, to be avoided at all costs.

“Would you rather have the best heart surgeon or the white one?”

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Belafon  Sep 7, 2017 • 10:59:22am

re: #275 Stanley Sea

Is there any way you could post that picture?

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 7, 2017 • 11:01:16am

re: #224 EPR-radar

The debt ceiling is one of the stupidest things in US politics. If tr*mp really is in support of getting rid of it permanently, that would be the first time I’ve agreed with the Orange Oaf on any policy issue.

I seem to recall endless Tweets from Cheeto Pendejo about how Obama is destroying the country by raising the debt limit.

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lawhawk  Sep 7, 2017 • 11:01:29am

re: #302 Dr. Matt

But you know Florida man is waiting to take up the case:

Hurricane Matthew Meets Slayer EXTENDED

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 11:02:05am

I mean I’d be fine with Bernie telling his side of the story. Teh problem I have with teh Berners has always been their double standards. Hillary is to be blamed for legislation her husband signed including legislation that Bernie actually voted for. Bernie is allowed to be condescending but Hillary is not allowed to show impatience.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 7, 2017 • 11:03:59am

re: #280 HappyWarrior

You know this shit about Hillary’s book pisses me off. All these holier than thou lefties crying about her not taking responsibility. Your’e seeing excerpts. You don’t know if she takes responsibility or not. And furthermore, you’re the same ones who blame other people for Bernie losing and don’t impose this “Take responsibility” on candidates you likr losing.

Obviously in an election that was so close anything she did or didn’t do can be questioned. I think she, like many Democrats, has fallen a bit too hard for the Demographics is Destiny argument in American electoral politics. I did, too.

But I suspect that, beyond the pluses and minuses of who she was, she was hurt by developments that were not of her doing. Outside of Obama’s specific re-election win, the Democrats lost ground almost everywhere at all levels of government. This happens to most administrations for a few years at some levels of government but usually not across the board.

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 11:04:48am

re: #309 HappyWarrior

I mean I’d be fine with Bernie telling his side of the story. Teh problem I have with teh Berners has always been their double standards. Hillary is to be blamed for legislation her husband signed including legislation that Bernie actually voted for. Bernie is allowed to be condescending but Hillary is not allowed to show impatience.

Yeah, I want to hear why Bernie thinks he is entitled to command a party he is not a member of. I really want to see that Bernie. Get right on it, will ya.

(Grrrr…I really dislike that asshole and his cult following)

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Stanley Sea  Sep 7, 2017 • 11:04:58am

re: #306 Belafon

Is there any way you could post that picture?

Can someone? I cant.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 11:07:07am

re: #311 MsJ

Yeah, I want to hear why Bernie thinks he is entitled to command a party he is not a member of. I really want to see that Bernie. Get right on it, will ya.

(Grrrr…I really dislike that asshole and his cult following)

You know, I honestly think many of his especially younger supporters have no idea he’s not actually a Democrat. I get more mad at his older supporters who have been around the political block. Not to excuse the college kids ignorance but the older Bros I find much more infuriating because they should know better.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 7, 2017 • 11:07:51am

Andrew

Irma

Use the size of Cuba as the yardstick.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 11:08:53am

But yeah I want to know why it’s okay for Bernie to take control of a party that he won’t even commit to joining. When you become your party’s nominee, you’re becoming the face of your party. Bernie didn’t and I still don’t think wants that. He wanted to push his message and that’s fine but he and his supporters shouldn’t act outraged and pushy when there’s pushback on that from people who have actually been working in the trenches for the Democratic Party. His far lefty supporters accuse the Dems of ignoring them. Bernie won’t even bother committing to joining the party becaues Bernie’s about Bernie.

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makeitstop  Sep 7, 2017 • 11:09:34am

re: #312 Stanley Sea

Can someone? I cant.

I got you. It’s two images, gimme a minute.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 7, 2017 • 11:10:51am

re: #316 makeitstop

Rest easy, friend

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 11:11:09am

re: #306 Belafon

Is there any way you could post that picture?

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Stanley Sea  Sep 7, 2017 • 11:11:15am

re: #316 makeitstop

I got you. It’s two images, gimme a minute.

Wheat beat ya

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Charles Johnson  Sep 7, 2017 • 11:12:39am
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Dr. Matt  Sep 7, 2017 • 11:13:19am

re: #314 wheat-dogg

Andrew

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Use the size of Cuba as the yardstick.

The world was much greener in 1992. //

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lawhawk  Sep 7, 2017 • 11:13:24am

Great news. Jose is now a Cat 2 storm.

I haven’t seen any meteorologists talk about how the storms could interact and affect the strength of the other (but I would surmise that Irma’s churning up of water would bring cooler water to the surface, and tamp down the strength of Jose as it goes through the vicinity in coming days).

Then again, the water temps are so high that there’s more than enough energy to go around…

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 11:13:32am
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Belafon  Sep 7, 2017 • 11:13:35am

re: #314 wheat-dogg

Thanks.

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 11:14:24am

re: #322 lawhawk

Great news. Jose is now a Cat 2 storm.

I haven’t seen any meteorologists talk about how the storms could interact and affect the strength of the other (but I would surmise that Irma’s churning up of water would bring cooler water to the surface, and tamp down the strength of Jose as it goes through the vicinity in coming days).

Then again, the water temps are so high that there’s more than enough energy to go around…

Katia is still a hurricane too, right?

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Skip Intro  Sep 7, 2017 • 11:14:53am

Another thing to hate Trump for.

I hope House of Cards is dead as well. What’s the point of going on?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 11:15:31am

re: #320 Charles Johnson

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These people are so fucking stupid.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 7, 2017 • 11:16:03am

re: #323 MsJ

Via @RawStory: ‘Disgusted to be an American’: Tampa woman throws tearful tantrum over Confederate… rawstory.com | #p2 #tcot pic.twitter.com

— joshua epstein🏳️‍🌈 (@thejoshuablog) September 7, 2017

Of course she is disgusted to be American. That’s why she supports the Confederacy!

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 11:16:38am

re: #323 MsJ

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Her Confederate Ancestors were disgusted to be Americans too. That’s why they wanted to leave and then fired on federal property and started a CIvil War. Don’t love the CSA and tell me you’re a proud American.

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Citizen K  Sep 7, 2017 • 11:16:55am

re: #323 MsJ

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Considering her affection for a fucking Confederate statue, it’s clear she was disgusted with being an American a long time ago.

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lawhawk  Sep 7, 2017 • 11:19:42am

re: #325 MsJ

Katia remains a Cat 1 storm and is likely to make landfall in Mexico tomorrow night.

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Birth Control Works  Sep 7, 2017 • 11:21:05am

Please vote for Mutual Ground! The Shelter at which I volunteer —they can get $10K and you know how finances are going in Illinois. retweet if you wish

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Kragar  Sep 7, 2017 • 11:21:10am
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Shropshire Slasher  Sep 7, 2017 • 11:23:27am

re: #314 wheat-dogg

What Hurricane? Hoax

///

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BeachDem  Sep 7, 2017 • 11:24:58am

re: #244 MsJ

Andy is back. Love this guy.

Thread.

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Don’t know anything about Andy, but that Graham-Cassidy bill is an abomination.

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makeitstop  Sep 7, 2017 • 11:25:20am

re: #316 makeitstop

I got you. It’s two images, gimme a minute.

NVM, someone else got it. Too slow.

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 11:33:56am

re: #335 BeachDem

Don’t know anything about Andy, but that Graham-Cassidy bill is an abomination.

This is Andy:

Ran Medicare, Medicaid & ACA for President Obama. @bpc_bipartisan, Senior Advisor. @usatoday, Columnist. Opinions mine.

I don’t know much about the GC bill other than it hits some states immediately with sharp cuts and the rest down the road. What does it do for anything actually related to healthcare other than take away funding?

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451_Montag  Sep 7, 2017 • 11:36:04am

re: #304 Alephnaught

Bit of lightness for now. Was talking with friends about beverages which no longer exist. I mentioned Quatro, a short-lived soft drink in the mid 1980s, based on a four fruit juice base. They didn’t remember it, it was that brief, it seemed it was just me that was drinking cans of it exclusively for just a single summer because I was bored with the ubiquitous Irn Bru. And then it just disappeared. Even though it had a very memorable advert on both TV and cinema. I tried to explain the advert to my friends, but gave up and just said it’s about as 80s as you could imagine, and then did a quick search for the ad on YouTube.

I found it. And it’s even more 80s than I remember it.

[Embedded content]

(The “malfunction” bit is my favourite part.)

Fucking yeah….. My favourite ever. I’ve even tried recreating it at home Quaaatrooo

Have multiple upding if they were possible

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BeachDem  Sep 7, 2017 • 11:36:38am

re: #275 Stanley Sea

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Welp—they just cancelled all city meetings next week in anticipation of Irma.

The latest from my go-to local meteorologist, Ed Piotrowski :

The latest forecast track from the National Hurricane Center brings Irma close to the GA/SC line midday Monday. PLEASE remember, that is a forecast point and the average error at day 5 is roughly 240 miles either side of that point. That means the hurricane could end up heading directly for the Grand Strand or it could go inland over Florida and Georgia. Right now, the most likely track is down the center line.

Notice the bend in the forecast track back to the northwest as it moves toward GA/SC. An upper-level low-pressure system over the gulf coast could pull Irma inland and drag it across much of South Carolina and into the mountains. Because Irma is so big, it is possible damaging wind and flooding rain will impact the entire state of South Carolina. Again I will stress, the severity of those winds and amount of rain will depend on precisely where Irma makes landfall. For now, much of the state could see tropical storm force winds. Those closest to the center and near the coast will likely see hurricane force winds…

If Irma follows the forecast path exactly, much of the Pee Dee, Border Belt and the Grand Strand will likely see at least similar conditions experienced during hurricane Matthew. If Irma tracks farther south, impacts would be lower. If Irma moves closer to the Grand Strand, impacts would be higher. It is IMPOSSIBLE to know precisely who gets the highest winds and heaviest rain, so I cannot speculate on flooding, but it is possible.

(thought this might be helpful for when you’re talking to your dad) I’m still in a holding pattern. Ordered a new phone charger and some needed batteries from Amazon, but just saw that the batteries won’t be here till next Wednesday. So it’s off to CVS to see if they still have any D batteries left.

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BeachDem  Sep 7, 2017 • 11:55:44am

re: #337 MsJ

This is Andy:

I don’t know much about the GC bill other than it hits some states immediately with sharp cuts and the rest down the road. What does it do for anything actually related to healthcare other than take away funding?

It looks like it’s mainly block grants to states and other bullshit. I read it a few days ago, but my mind is clogged with so much crap, I can’t remember the details.


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