Ta-Nehisi Coates’ Powerful, Eloquent Essay: Donald Trump Is the First White President

The foundation of Donald Trump’s presidency is the negation of Barack Obama’s legacy
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If you read one long-form essay today, or this month, or this year, make it this stunner by Ta-Nehisi Coates: Donald Trump Is the First White President.

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To Trump, whiteness is neither notional nor symbolic but is the very core of his power. In this, Trump is not singular. But whereas his forebears carried whiteness like an ancestral talisman, Trump cracked the glowing amulet open, releasing its eldritch energies. The repercussions are striking: Trump is the first president to have served in no public capacity before ascending to his perch. But more telling, Trump is also the first president to have publicly affirmed that his daughter is a “piece of ass.” The mind seizes trying to imagine a black man extolling the virtues of sexual assault on tape (“When you’re a star, they let you do it”), fending off multiple accusations of such assaults, immersed in multiple lawsuits for allegedly fraudulent business dealings, exhorting his followers to violence, and then strolling into the White House. But that is the point of white supremacy—to ensure that that which all others achieve with maximal effort, white people (particularly white men) achieve with minimal qualification. Barack Obama delivered to black people the hoary message that if they work twice as hard as white people, anything is possible. But Trump’s counter is persuasive: Work half as hard as black people, and even more is possible.

For Trump, it almost seems that the fact of Obama, the fact of a black president, insulted him personally. The insult intensified when Obama and Seth Meyers publicly humiliated him at the White House Correspondents’ Dinner in 2011. But the bloody heirloom ensures the last laugh. Replacing Obama is not enough—Trump has made the negation of Obama’s legacy the foundation of his own. And this too is whiteness. “Race is an idea, not a fact,” the historian Nell Irvin Painter has written, and essential to the construct of a “white race” is the idea of not being a nigger. Before Barack Obama, niggers could be manufactured out of Sister Souljahs, Willie Hortons, and Dusky Sallys. But Donald Trump arrived in the wake of something more potent—an entire nigger presidency with nigger health care, nigger climate accords, and nigger justice reform, all of which could be targeted for destruction or redemption, thus reifying the idea of being white. Trump truly is something new—the first president whose entire political existence hinges on the fact of a black president. And so it will not suffice to say that Trump is a white man like all the others who rose to become president. He must be called by his rightful honorific—America’s first white president.

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336 comments

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Birth Control Works  Sep 7, 2017 • 11:23:38am

repost from downstairs:

Please vote for Mutual Ground—the shelter at which I volunteer. They can win $10K and you know how finances are in Illinois …

Thanks!

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Kragar  Sep 7, 2017 • 11:24:58am
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Barefoot Grin  Sep 7, 2017 • 11:26:28am

Coates’ article is an important statement (one he has made in other ways before, I think, though never specifically about Trump). I read it, but I think I’m going to listen to it, too.

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lawhawk  Sep 7, 2017 • 11:26:43am

QFT:

Trump truly is something new—the first president whose entire political existence hinges on the fact of a black president.

But for Obama being President, Trump would not have tapped the wellspring of white resentment and bigotries as fully as he did - resonating with white people who think that they’ve lost something because black people (or minorities more broadly, or LGBT, or women) have sought equal rights and protections and have made slow progress on that front.

Trump extended the message that we can revert to the prior state - and depriving rights and protections will restore the natural order of things.

Trump has taken the standard issue GOP message they’ve been pushing for 40+ years and run it up to 11+. He beat other GOPers at their own bigoted game with their bigot brigade base.

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Citizen K  Sep 7, 2017 • 11:27:03am

Ta-Nehisi Coates is truly one of the most insightful and masterful commentators of the day, and this latest piece just underscores it. His takedown of the “identity politics” attack as well as the use of “diversity” as its own sort of slur is so damn necessary.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 11:27:33am

This was such a great read. Thanks for making a page of it, Charles.

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jaunte  Sep 7, 2017 • 11:29:07am
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jaunte  Sep 7, 2017 • 11:34:07am

Republicans don’t want the dirty work to be visible.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 7, 2017 • 11:34:18am
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Belafon  Sep 7, 2017 • 11:37:34am

Some reporter needs to appeal to Trumps ego: “Mr. President, would you please comment on how great you’ve been at hiding your connections with Russia?”

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 11:38:12am

From downstairs:

re: #335 BeachDem

Don’t know anything about Andy, but that Graham-Cassidy bill is an abomination.

This is Andy:

Ran Medicare, Medicaid & ACA for President Obama. @bpc_bipartisan, Senior Advisor. @usatoday, Columnist. Opinions mine.

I don’t know much about the GC bill other than it hits some states immediately with sharp cuts and the rest down the road. What does it do for anything actually related to healthcare other than take away funding?

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Teukka  Sep 7, 2017 • 11:39:26am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 11:41:13am

This is so good.

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451_Montag  Sep 7, 2017 • 11:42:37am

OT but rumors circulating that a new season of Sherlock may be in production.

Some good news for once

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jaunte  Sep 7, 2017 • 11:46:14am
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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 11:46:20am

re: #1 Birth Control Works

repost from downstairs:

Please vote for Mutual Ground—the shelter at which I volunteer. They can win $10K and you know how finances are in Illinois …

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Thanks!

Remind us daily. I have a good memory, it’s just short. :-)

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Charles Johnson  Sep 7, 2017 • 11:46:22am

JFC this guy

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Belafon  Sep 7, 2017 • 11:47:20am

re: #14 451_Montag

OT but rumors circulating that a new season of Sherlock may be in production.

Some good news for once

Interesting. With Cumberbatch and Freeman being in the Marvel universe, after being in the Tolkien universe, I’m surprised they’d have time, even though a season is generally only a couple of episodes.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 7, 2017 • 11:48:32am
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jaunte  Sep 7, 2017 • 11:48:46am
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Sir John Barron  Sep 7, 2017 • 11:50:31am

re: #20 jaunte

Which deal is this? The one Trump agreed to with Dems or a stand-alone aid bill? (the House voted on one the other day I believe).

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 11:51:13am

re: #18 Belafon

Interesting. With Cumberbatch and Freeman being in the Marvel universe, after being in the Tolkien universe, I’m surprised they’d have time, even though a season is generally only a couple of episodes.

But each of those three episodes (usually three) is almost movie length.

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jaunte  Sep 7, 2017 • 11:52:09am

re: #21 Sir John Barron

This is the one tied to the debt limit increase.

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BeachDem  Sep 7, 2017 • 11:59:12am

re: #11 MsJ

From downstairs:

Reply from downstairs:

It looks like it’s mainly block grants to states and other bullshit. I read it a few days ago, but my mind is clogged with so much crap, I can’t remember the details.

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 11:59:15am
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cat-tikvah  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:00:08pm

re: #20 jaunte

DAMN YOU PAT TOOMEY!
PA came thisclose to unseating you.
Damn it.

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:00:26pm

re: #24 BeachDem

Reply from downstairs:

It looks like it’s mainly block grants to states and other bullshit. I read it a few days ago, but my mind is clogged with so much crap, I can’t remember the details.

That’s the only thing I remember. Some freaking “replacement”.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:01:10pm

“me kill isis. me am best kill isis. many many many more isis than obama, he no kill isis

you want negotiate? me make best negotiate! you will say you never seen such negotiate! negotiate really really really… uh… really great negotiate”

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:01:19pm

I shared the Coates article with my folks. Hopefully they read it.

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cat-tikvah  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:01:52pm

re: #27 MsJ

The goal is not to improve healthcare.
It never was.
The singular goal is tax cuts for rich people.
Balanced on cutting Medicaid and getting rid of the ACA taxes that applied to said rich people.

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jaunte  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:06:31pm
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Skip Intro  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:07:21pm
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makeitstop  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:07:27pm

Holy crap.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:08:02pm
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nines09  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:08:44pm

re: #20 jaunte

Pat Toomey (Dick, Pa) seems to have forgotten that hurricanes like Irma can come north and flood Pennsylvania. Have come north and flooded Pa. Will come north and flood Pa.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:09:22pm

re: #32 Skip Intro

“Alt Right” is US political movement formed to promote inherent dignity and cultural superiority of peoples of caucasian race.

“alt-right” is an attempt to make Fascism and White Supremacism appear to be viable points along the American political spectrum and not threats to democracy and American values.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:10:03pm

re: #33 makeitstop

Holy crap.

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jaunte  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:11:03pm

re: #37 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Economic anxiety.”

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jaunte  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:12:28pm
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Teukka  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:12:31pm

re: #38 jaunte

“Economic anxiety.”

Lone deranged individual

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:12:55pm

re: #30 cat-tikvah

The goal is not to improve healthcare.
It never was.
The singular goal is tax cuts for rich people.
Balanced on cutting Medicaid and getting rid of the ACA taxes that applied to said rich people.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:14:21pm

Sorry to belabor the point but this really is one of the best articles I’ve heard in a while. Coates nails it so much.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:14:38pm
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Belafon  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:15:02pm

re: #43 Backwoods_Sleuth

Therefore, Pelosi called Trump. Confirmed.

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:16:09pm

Twitter appears to be down.

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:16:43pm

re: #44 Belafon

Therefore, Pelosi called Trump. Confirmed.

Better we not upset his widdle fee fees.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:17:45pm
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Bubblehead II  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:18:03pm

re: #45 MsJ

Twitter appears to be down.

Still working for me.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:18:23pm

re: #47 Dr. Matt

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pretty sure that I read yesterday the guy is a cop.

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:18:51pm

re: #47 Dr. Matt

Is this the same Florida Man who is a police officer…or is this a new one? (Twitter is down for me so I can see the text but nothing else, I can’t reach Twitter to do anything else.)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:19:26pm
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ObserverArt  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:19:55pm

re: #20 jaunte

Frank Thorp V ✔ @frankthorp
Senate PASSES #Harvey aid $/Debt Limit/Govt Funding bill struck by Pres Trump and Dem leadership, 80-17.

Now goes back to the House.

The Republican party is a mess. A good thing

Those voting “no” are an interesting mix.

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:20:03pm

Definitely down here.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:20:09pm

re: #31 jaunte

Dr. Conde is a VT #DACA recipient. He has a PhD in cancer research and studies medicine at UVM. He is #HereToStay and help cancer patients.

You can hide all kinds of thuggish weapons under a lab coat.

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Belafon  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:20:51pm

re: #54 Decatur Deb

You can hide all kinds of thuggish weapons under a lab coat.

You never know, he might cure cancer for minorities.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:20:52pm

re: #49 Backwoods_Sleuth

pretty sure that I read yesterday the guy is a cop.

re: #50 MsJ

Is this the same Florida Man who is a police officer…or is this a new one? (Twitter is down for me so I can see the text but nothing else, I can’t reach Twitter to do anything else.)

The two articles I read never identified the “good guy with a gun”.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:20:57pm

re: #53 MsJ

Definitely down here.

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I use tweetdeck and it’s working just fine.

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jaunte  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:21:01pm

re: #54 Decatur Deb

This is why Richard Spencer couldn’t get a PhD!

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Dr. Matt  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:21:44pm

The twitter app on iPhone is working for me.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:21:51pm

re: #42 HappyWarrior

Sorry to belabor the point but this really is one of the best articles I’ve heard in a while. Coates nails it so much.

One of the things that bugged me about the Conservative reaction to Obama is that they had a chance to hold him up as living proof that the American Dream can work for anyone who works hard enough, regardless of race or social background.

That is supposed to be a core conservative concept. But that would have involved recognizing his accomplishments, even if they did so sparingly and grudgingly.

And that they just could not bring themselves to do so for, well…for some reason: he was at best an affirmative-action case, at worst a Kenyan usurper, but the message was always the same: he was not worthy of the office he held…for whatever reason.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:23:57pm

Somebody, somewhere, just shoot me. You won’t be held responsible.

Democrats dread Hillary’s book tour

politico.com

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:24:36pm

re: #60 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

One of the things that bugged me about the Conservative reaction to Obama is that they had a chance to hold him up as living proof that the American Dream can work for anyone who works hard enough, regardless of race or social background.

That is supposed to be a core conservative concept. But that would have involved recognizing his accomplishments, even if they did so sparingly and grudgingly.

And that they just could not bring themselves to do so for, well…for some reason: he was at best an affirmative-action case, at worst a Kenyan usurper, but the message was always the same: he was not worthy of the office he held…for whatever reason.

Well you need to remember that racial resentment has been so key to keeping the conservative base in check. It doesn’t matter that Obama much more than any Republican is really a true product of the American dream. You can’t sell that to a base who loved Reagan’s “Welfare Queen” bullshit and “Young Bucks taking t-bones.” In short, conservatives talk about those virtues you speak of but they don’t live them. They never have and it shows in who they nominate for President.

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Belafon  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:24:53pm

re: #61 Sir John Barron

Somebody, somewhere, just shoot me. You won’t be held responsible.

Democrats dread Hillary’s book tour

politico.com

Now I’m going to have to buy one and find her if she’s going to be in Dallas.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:25:06pm

Frankenstein Disputes Description Of Irma As “Monster Storm”

points out human beings historically much more destructive and cruel than monsters

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jaunte  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:25:11pm

Lee statue’s future as a museum piece grinds slowly forward.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:25:15pm

re: #61 Sir John Barron

Somebody, somewhere, just shoot me. You won’t be held responsible.

Democrats dread Hillary’s book tour

politico.com

She’s entitled to her opinions just as Sanders is entitled to act like he has a clue what’s going on in other states by hosting town halls there.

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:26:15pm

re: #45 MsJ

Twitter appears to be down.

And it’s back.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:28:06pm

re: #32 Skip Intro

“Alt Right” is US political movement formed to promote inherent dignity and cultural superiority of peoples of caucasian race.

“Alt-Mammal” is US political movement formed to promote inherent dignity and cultural superiority of dogs

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:28:34pm

That #HereToStay hashtag is wonderful…until ICE gets a hold of these people.

I hope the Dems can do something for them because this is a heartwrenchingly horrible situation.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:28:37pm

re: #20 jaunte

Link?

I’m at the senate.gov page and I don’t see a vote matching these totals.

There was a 79-18 vote to invoke cloture.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:29:34pm

Anyhow just finished listening to this. Props, Mr. Coates. You really did articulate so much of how I feel about the WWC and the attempts to lionize them by white lefty writers. I guess this is my rejection of Marxism because a Marxist only sees class. I think you have to consider all factors including race and the desire to find an another and it’s IMO always been much easier to use race rather than class as another. A poor white man can grow rich, the poor white immigrant can change his name and his kids can lose his accent, but race, well racial minorities will always look different.

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makeitstop  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:29:35pm

Could McCain and other Rs who have signed onto this be thinking that Congress is going to change hands next year?

Maybe they want to change the rules on gerrymandering because they fear Democrats will do what they did when the next census rolls around?

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Decatur Deb  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:29:54pm

Playing off Coates’ description of Obama as first Non-white, Trump as first White, We could expect a long period of oscillation between White and Shaded presidents of varying genders.

That’s so, if you think History is a clock.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:30:01pm

re: #20 jaunte

Maybe this is a whip count.

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Dragonomics  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:30:16pm

He took my cancer researching jerb! So that’s why I’m an unemployed philosophy major! Damn it!

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Teukka  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:30:18pm

re: #47 Dr. Matt

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#FloridaMan strikes again :(

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:31:19pm

re: #76 Teukka

#FloridaMan strikes again :(

Florida man is about to be running wild in the flooded streets…

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ObserverArt  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:32:08pm

re: #49 Backwoods_Sleuth

pretty sure that I read yesterday the guy is a cop.

Well of course.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:32:28pm

re: #77 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Florida man is about to be running wild in the flooded streets…

Because the Sheriff ain’t lettin’ him in the shelter.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:32:35pm

peoples of caucasian race

if we are going to be discussing “race”, can we please replace the name “caucasian” with something that is not based on a ridiculous theory that was popular for about four months in 1856?

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:33:15pm

re: #72 makeitstop

Could McCain and other Rs who have signed onto this be thinking that Congress is going to change hands next year?

Maybe they want to change the rules on gerrymandering because they fear Democrats will do what they did when the next census rolls around?

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Decatur Deb  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:33:35pm

re: #80 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

peoples of caucasian race

if we are going to be discussing “race”, can we please replace the name “caucasian” with something that is not based on a ridiculous theory that was popular for about four months in 1856?

“Ofay” was hep for a bit in the ’50s.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:35:03pm

re: #69 MsJ

That #HereToStay hashtag is wonderful…until ICE gets a hold of these people.

I hope the Dems can do something for them because this is a heartwrenchingly horrible situation.

Business is behind DACA.

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:37:10pm

re: #83 Stanley Sea

Business is behind DACA.

Will that be enough to make trump not hate them icky others? I don’t know.

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:37:24pm
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Stanley Sea  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:37:45pm

The writing of that ridiculous excuse in a panic on AF1 is going to bite them.

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BeachDem  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:39:57pm

re: #63 Belafon

Now I’m going to have to buy one and find her if she’s going to be in Dallas.

Word is, she’s supposed to have a stop at the regional Dem Women’s convention.
That’s the plus—minus is, it’s in Little Rock, which is really expensive to get to from here and it’s the week before Thanksgiving. Still deciding whether to go.

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makeitstop  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:39:58pm

re: #86 Stanley Sea

The writing of that ridiculous excuse in a panic on AF1 is going to bite them.

Yep. Everyone who was on that plane is now a witness.

Like I said earlier, Trumps are fuckin’ dumb.

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ObserverArt  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:40:26pm

re: #65 jaunte

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Lee statue’s future as a museum piece grinds slowly forward.

Grind, I like that.

They should take all the bronze from these statues and grind them up and give the pieces to a group of artists in each state to melt down and recast into pieces of art that celebrate freedom from slavery and saving the Union as a real reminder of what it was all about.

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:40:26pm

Well, well…

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Sir John Barron  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:41:58pm

Alright, somebody ate my frozen entrée I brought yesterday and left overnight.

What kind of world do we live in?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:42:19pm

re: #83 Stanley Sea

Business is behind DACA.

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You know the Kochs do have the right postion on some issues, this, the Drug War, but they continue to fund right wing shitheads. I guess what I’m saying is, put your money where your mouth is Chuck and Dave, fund Democrats running against Republicans who are okay with Trump’s DACA bullshit.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:43:17pm

re: #89 ObserverArt

Grind, I like that.

They should take all the bronze from these statues and grind them up and give the pieces to a group of artists in each state to melt down and recast into pieces of art that celebrate freedom from slavery and saving the Union as a real reminder of what it was all about.

I do not mind the thought of them being put into a museum exhibit that puts them in their proper historical perspective: the perspective of a war waged against the USA to not only maintain but propagate the spread of southern slavery, the history of these monuments as means of asserting post-war white dominance and the current image of the Confederacy in modern America.

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ObserverArt  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:44:19pm

re: #72 makeitstop

Could McCain and other Rs who have signed onto this be thinking that Congress is going to change hands next year?

Maybe they want to change the rules on gerrymandering because they fear Democrats will do what they did when the next census rolls around?

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I had a post about that last night from the angle of John Kasich being a part of the Republicans calling for a fix.

I don’t know how much I trust them, but you might be on the right track. Undo to look good and save yourselves the backlash by blocking it while you have the power. That IS Republican.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:45:03pm

re: #94 ObserverArt

I had a post about that last night from the angle of John Kasich being a part of the Republicans calling for a fix.

I don’t know how much I trust them, but you might be on the right track. Undo to look good and save yourselves the backlash by blocking it while you have the power. That IS Republican.

I don’t trust them either.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:45:07pm

re: #47 Dr. Matt

Damn, I thought it was the same story I posted yesterday. It’s not.
Mine was an employee from the Jacksonville Sheriff’ Office up here. He cut in front of the line and when people complained pulled his gun.

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ObserverArt  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:46:09pm

re: #82 Decatur Deb

“Ofay” was hep for a bit in the ’50s.

Cool!

Kool!

Kewl!

Timeless.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:47:17pm

re: #20 jaunte

Yup, this looks like it.

senate.gov

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b.d. (bill d.)  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:47:43pm

Boarded up, all Trump properties end up getting boarded up in one way or another.

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:48:17pm

I hate these ad-laden, click bait sites, but the pictures here are amazing. Really great historical pictures.

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Unshaken Defiance  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:48:26pm

re: #89 ObserverArt

I have a 250,000 btu furnace that would smelt that bronze just fine. Gen Lee? Confederate heroes? No charge.

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ObserverArt  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:48:31pm

re: #83 Stanley Sea

Business is behind DACA.

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Funny that. It’s about the money.

Koch thinking: “These people work good and cheap and don’t expect as much for it. They are good for business, if for no other reason.”

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Stanley Sea  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:49:08pm

re: #99 b.d. (bill d.)

Boarded up, all Trump properties end up getting boarded up in one way or another.

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That awning on the left will be toast.

That’s not boarded up.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:49:38pm

re: #99 b.d. (bill d.)

Boarded up, all Trump properties end up getting boarded up in one way or another.

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Wonder if Mar a Lago is up to date on their flood insurance?

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:50:37pm

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

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b.d. (bill d.)  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:51:14pm

re: #103 Stanley Sea

That awning on the left will be toast.

That’s not boarded up.

[trump] That’s where all the Picasos were! [/trump]

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makeitstop  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:53:02pm

re: #102 ObserverArt

Funny that. It’s about the money.

Koch thinking: “These people work good and cheap and don’t expect as much for it. They are good for business, if for no other reason.”

It might be more that the Dreamers have worked hard and excelled in both education and work environments.

Same reason Microsoft announced the other day that if the government is coming after the Dreamers, they’ll have to go through Microsoft.

Good employees are good for business.

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ObserverArt  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:53:17pm

re: #85 MsJ

MsJoanne @MsJoanne
Hey, Mags…you gonna explain how wonderful this is for us? Goodness of his heart or some such? That’s what you do, isn’t it?
3:36 PM - Sep 7, 2017

Maggie maybe: “We at the NY Times have often expressed our concerns about Hillary’s character. So, we can understand why the Trumps would have looked into these allegations. This is politics. This is not to say Hillary would not have been a better President than Mr. Trump. It just goes to show you how Hillary was questioned by everyone. Even the Russians.”

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:54:51pm

re: #105 FormerDirtDart

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

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That’s why I don’t judge. And I already know for a fact that my one great grandfather made bootleg Silvovitz.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:56:05pm

But yeah Tomi’s story is why white people should shut the fuck up about “my family did things the right way.” Even those of us like myself who have heavily researched our genealogy don’t know.

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ObserverArt  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:56:30pm

re: #88 makeitstop

Yep. Everyone who was on that plane is now a witness.

Like I said earlier, Trumps are fuckin’ dumb.

Can we get an obstruction case just for Ms. Kellyanne Conway???

If anyone has conspired to obstruct, deceive and be a damn bald-faced liar…Kellyanne has it covered…up.

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Belafon  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:57:00pm

re: #102 ObserverArt

Funny that. It’s about the money.

Koch thinking: “These people work good and cheap and don’t expect as much for it. They are good for business, if for no other reason.”

Possibly, but to tell you the truth, I bet even they’re thinking these people will work harder than the rabble.

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makeitstop  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:58:58pm

re: #111 ObserverArt

Can we get an obstruction case just for Ms. Kellyanne Conway???

If anyone has conspired to obstruct, deceive and be a damn bald-faced liar…Kellyanne is has it covered…up.

Lock ‘em up. All of them.

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Belafon  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:59:02pm

re: #105 FormerDirtDart

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

It would have been great if Henry Louis Gates Jr. was the one to break it to her.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:59:28pm

re: #114 Belafon

It would have been great if Henry Louis Gates Jr. was the one to break it to her.

Or the lady that told that one white supremacist he was part black.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:59:32pm
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lawhawk  Sep 7, 2017 • 12:59:56pm

re: #105 FormerDirtDart

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

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Too good to check…

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ObserverArt  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:00:52pm

re: #101 Unshaken Defiance

I have a 250,000 btu furnace that would smelt that bronze just fine. Gen Lee? Confederate heroes? No charge.

I figured you would. You bring the heat!

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lawhawk  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:00:59pm

re: #116 FormerDirtDart

Every last one of the Trump admin cabal of cronies is going to be familiar with that particular law, because it will be their collective undoing.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:01:02pm

re: #117 lawhawk

Too good to check…

It’s so good because white conservatives love to insist that their ancestors never broke the law and did it “right.” Something about glass houses.

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:01:26pm

re: #108 ObserverArt

Maggie maybe: “We at the NY Times have often expressed our concerns about Hillary’s character. So, we can understand why the Trumps would have looked into these allegations. This is politics. This is not to say Hillary would not have been a better President than Mr. Trump. It just goes to show you how Hillary was questioned by everyone. Even the Russians.”

I could totally see that. You did that quite well.

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makeitstop  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:01:52pm
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Bubblehead II  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:02:02pm

LMAO.

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lawhawk  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:02:13pm

re: #115 HappyWarrior

Revel in white supremacists who flock to DNA tests only to find out that they’re not as “pure” as they claim.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:02:20pm

re: #122 makeitstop

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Lock him up, lock him up?

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:03:08pm

Those historical pictures. Man.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:03:50pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:04:04pm

re: #124 lawhawk

Revel in white supremacists who flock to DNA tests only to find out that they’re not as “pure” as they claim.

Thanks, love that shit. I honestly had the opposite reaction. I wanted to have some surprises. I guess I did I little since I had trace amounts of Iberian and Italian/Greek and Western Asia and Central Asia but nothing like that.

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ObserverArt  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:04:58pm

re: #107 makeitstop

It might be more that the Dreamers have worked hard and excelled in both education and work environments.

Same reason Microsoft announced the other day that if the government is coming after the Dreamers, they’ll have to go through Microsoft.

Good employees are good for business.

I had to get my digs in on the Kochs.

Don’t bring me down! : )

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:06:31pm

re: #127 FormerDirtDart

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Can these losers just go the fuck away?

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Sir John Barron  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:09:53pm

re: #130 HappyWarrior

Can these losers just go the fuck away?

“How can we miss you if you won’t go away?”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:10:13pm

re: #126 MsJ

Those historical pictures. Man.

US Nazis react to results of DNA tests
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bratwurst  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:10:31pm
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makeitstop  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:10:34pm

re: #129 ObserverArt

I had to get my digs in on the Kochs.

Don’t bring me down! : )

It could be a combination of yours and mine. :)

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:12:52pm

re: #132 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Too bad the Union didn’t do anything like that after the Civil War to show the slavery that they were fighting so hard to protect was.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:13:59pm

Ain’t no such thing as pure race anyhow. Anyone who believes in racial purity is a nimwit to say the least.

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:16:32pm

I have to say that after Pelosi and Schumer did their thing yesterday, along with the follow through today, I am feeling like the nuclear clock went back a minute or two.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:17:24pm

re: #128 HappyWarrior

Thanks, love that shit. I honestly had the opposite reaction. I wanted to have some surprises. I guess I did I little since I had trace amounts of Iberian and Italian/Greek and Western Asia and Central Asia but nothing like that.

My biggest surprise was learning a significant part of my Irish side includes a huge percentage attributable to Doggerland.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:19:22pm

re: #138 Backwoods_Sleuth

My biggest surprise was learning a significant part of my Irish side includes a huge percentage attributable to Doggerland.

I don’t know too much about my IRish side but it’s actually the most geographically diverse. People from all over the island. I identify most with the Connemara though since I got the dark hair and blue eyes and it’s where I studied abroad.

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mmmirele  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:19:26pm

re: #128 HappyWarrior

I did 23andme and found out, to my great surprise, that I’m 99.4 percent European (63 percent English/Scottish/Irish and 36 percent French/German). This does not mesh with the family legendarium. I wondered if 23andme could have gotten it wrong, but of the two closest genetic relatives, one has my dad’s last name and the other, my mother’s maiden name (which is very unusual). So for the time being I’m assuming it’s right, within the limitations of the science.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:20:41pm

re: #140 mmmirele

I did 23andme and found out, to my great surprise, that I’m 99.4 percent European (63 percent English/Scottish/Irish and 36 percent French/German). This does not mesh with the family legendarium. I wondered if 23andme could have gotten it wrong, but of the two closest genetic relatives, one has my dad’s last name and the other, my mother’s maiden name (which is very unusual). So for the time being I’m assuming it’s right, within the limitations of the science.

I need to do 23 and Me. I did Ancestry since I wanted to contact relatives more than anything. Got a ton that match up with my Mom and I but it’s tough to find the exact common ancestor since in her mother’s socio-ethno group names are re-used a lot.

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ObserverArt  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:21:03pm

re: #123 Bubblehead II

LMAO.

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Oh, that was just too good.

“Trump has Baby Fingers”

I think were I president and had another former leader make a sketch like that I would be just a little embarrassed.

But Trump will just be pissed. If Kelly allows him to see it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:22:12pm

re: #139 HappyWarrior

I don’t know too much about my IRish side but it’s actually the most geographically diverse. People from all over the island. I identify most with the Connemara though since I got the dark hair and blue eyes and it’s where I studied abroad.

I can kind of figure out where the Doggerland branch fits in…that family branch has an ancient Scots/Irish surname, so it makes some sort of sense in terms of migration.
The other cool thing was verification of my mom’s Yupik heritage (2%, but hey, it’s there!)

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:24:57pm

re: #143 Backwoods_Sleuth

I can kind of figure out where the Doggerland branch fits in…that is an ancient Scots/Irish surname, so it makes some sort of sense in terms of migration.
The other cool thing was verification of my mom’s Yupik heritage (2%, but hey, it’s there!)

Heh makes me wonder where my Mom got her fringe Irish. She was 88% Eastern European. As Eastern European as an Eastern European native which really makes sense given that all her grandparents were immigrants from EE. We were shocked about the prevalence of Scandavian though in me and my Dad though. We figure that’s the German though but damn a lot of that and not as much Western Euroepan.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:26:41pm

re: #144 HappyWarrior

Heh makes me wonder where my Mom got her fringe Irish. She was 88% Eastern European. As Eastern European as an Eastern European native which really makes sense given that all her grandparents were immigrants from EE. We were shocked about the prevalence of Scandavian though in me and my Dad though. We figure that’s the German though but damn a lot of that and not as much Western Euroepan.

Scandinavian is fairly not surprising for Scots/Irish because of the Vikings.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:27:02pm

Thread

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:28:11pm

heh

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bratwurst  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:28:41pm

This is chilling. It is a miracle that the lack of regulation in this sector hasn’t already killed dozens of people.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:29:40pm

re: #145 Backwoods_Sleuth

Scandinavian is fairly not surprising for Scots/Irish because of the Vikings.

Yep. I probably got sizebable amounts from both my Dad’s parents.

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BeachDem  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:31:44pm

re: #121 MsJ

I could totally see that. You did that quite well.

You have completed your Maggie education. I hereby award you your degree./

Oh, and on the Graham-Cassidy bill:

The proposal, crafted by Sens. Bill Cassidy (R-La.), Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) and Dean Heller (R-Nev.), essentially turns control of the health-care markets over to the states. Rather than funding Medicaid and subsidies directly, that money would be put into a block grant that a state could use to develop any health-care system it wants. It also allows states to opt out of many ACA regulations…

The Medicaid expansion and subsidy funding would be cut sharply compared to current spending, going to zero in a decade…

The plan makes huge cuts in federal ACA spending…

If the streamlining turns out to be insufficient, the cuts would hit liberal states the hardest…

washingtonpost.com

It’s not so much a “plan” as a “gigantic pile of bullshit.”

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ObserverArt  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:33:21pm

Imma make Cincinnati style chili tonight after seeing it mentioned here. I haven’t had it in a long time. So, I blame the Lizards.

I wing it, but as long as you add cinnamon to the sauce you’ll start to get the Greek influence. Some allspice too. The rest is very similar to TexMex.

I even have some of the Kroger brand Greek salad dressing which is very close to the dressing at Skyline.

With a little fall nip in the air it just seems called for.

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:33:46pm

re: #148 bratwurst

This is chilling. It is a miracle that the lack of regulation in this sector hasn’t already killed dozens of people.

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It’s Texas. They don’t believe in regulations. Regulations kill business (more important to them than Texans). If there were ever regulations, TX removed them. This is a natural resolution to that mindset.

And it’s coming to your state now. The EPA is virtually no more. Remaining agencies have been pretty much gutted. Dems are trying to do some stuff (which amazingly is actually being done and I am really amazed by Pelosi and Schumer) but I don’t know what is going to happen today, tomorrow or the next day.

This is potentially our future.

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:33:48pm

re: #148 bratwurst

This is chilling. It is a miracle that the lack of regulation in this sector hasn’t already killed dozens of people.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:34:03pm

re: #150 BeachDem

The proposal, crafted by Sens. Bill Cassidy (R-La.), Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) and Dean Heller (R-Nev.), essentially turns control of the health-care markets over to the states. Rather than funding Medicaid and subsidies directly, that money would be put into a block grant that a state could use to develop any health-care system it wants. It also allows states to opt out of many ACA regulations…

Gosh, this sounds just fine. Tell us more.

The Medicaid expansion and subsidy funding would be cut sharply compared to current spending, going to zero in a decade…

The plan makes huge cuts in federal ACA spending…

If the streamlining turns out to be insufficient, the cuts would hit liberal states the hardest…

Oh, not so good then.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:37:14pm

re: #153 Ace-o-aces

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Freedom is breathing in toxic fumes, libtard!

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lawhawk  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:37:45pm
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Dave In Austin  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:37:50pm
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BeachDem  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:37:56pm

re: #141 HappyWarrior

I need to do 23 and Me. I did Ancestry since I wanted to contact relatives more than anything. Got a ton that match up with my Mom and I but it’s tough to find the exact common ancestor since in her mother’s socio-ethno group names are re-used a lot.

And I’m not even sure that my family name is actually my family name. (Rumor was that they screwed up the first letter translating from Russian or whatever language it was in.)

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:37:59pm
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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:38:36pm

re: #150 BeachDem

Thank you.

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:39:04pm

re: #151 ObserverArt

Imma make Cincinnati style chili tonight after seeing it mentioned here. I haven’t had it in a long time. So, I blame the Lizards.

I wing it, but as long as you add cinnamon to the sauce you’ll start to get the Greek influence. Some allspice too. The rest is very similar to TexMex.

I even have some of the Kroger brand Greek salad dressing which is very close to the dressing at Skyline.

With a little fall nip in the air it just seems called for.

NOM NOM NOM

Invites welcome. :-)

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:39:18pm

re: #158 BeachDem

And I’m not even sure that my family name is actually my family name. (Rumor was that they screwed up the first letter translating from Russian or whatever language it was in.)

They definitely did that with my mom’s dad.

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:40:59pm

re: #156 lawhawk

Those credit reporting agencies know everything about everyone using any kind of credit. This is huge. This is the worst one yet.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:41:12pm
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CongoJack  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:43:10pm

re: #162 HappyWarrior

Ditto on my father’s side. German… changed the first letter of the name name from J to a Y.

Thus because of mostly daughters being born and their names changing over time through marriage I am the last male of my last name that we know of. So yay I’m having a son to carry on the name and its very hard for people to steal my identity.

win/win

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:43:28pm

re: #61 Sir John Barron

Somebody, somewhere, just shoot me. You won’t be held responsible.

Democrats dread Hillary’s book tour

politico.com

And a Bernie friend who did vote for Hillary but very unenthusiastically sent me the link with the comment “So is she so greedy or just so stupid?” I did not respond well to his snark.

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BeachDem  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:44:35pm

re: #151 ObserverArt

Imma make Cincinnati style chili tonight after seeing it mentioned here. I haven’t had it in a long time. So, I blame the Lizards.

I wing it, but as long as you add cinnamon to the sauce you’ll start to get the Greek influence. Some allspice too. The rest is very similar to TexMex.

I even have some of the Kroger brand Greek salad dressing which is very close to the dressing at Skyline.

With a little fall nip in the air it just seems called for.

Somewhere I have a great recipe for homemade Skyline. But don’t ask me to find it now—I’m all tied up deciding what to do about Irma. (And I’ve found frozen Skyline from Kroger is soooo much easier, but then I’m lazy.)

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:44:41pm
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Belafon  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:45:43pm

re: #158 BeachDem

And I’m not even sure that my family name is actually my family name. (Rumor was that they screwed up the first letter translating from Russian or whatever language it was in.)

My wife’s great grandparent’s family name was changed by Immigration from Seawolf to Self when they came to America.

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lawhawk  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:46:56pm

On book tours.

Didn’t see Democrats handwringing over Bernie’s book tour for his book that came out days after the election.

But now? We’re supposed to tell Hillary to go away?

FTS.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:47:01pm

re: #166 Hecuba’s daughter

And a Bernie friend who did vote for Hillary but very unenthusiastically sent me the link with the comment “So is she so greedy or just so stupid?” I did not respond well to his snark.

Fascinating. Ask him how Bernie’s book tour is going…

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Belafon  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:47:01pm

re: #166 Hecuba’s daughter

And a Bernie friend who did vote for Hillary but very unenthusiastically sent me the link with the comment “So is she so greedy or just so stupid?” I did not respond well to his snark.

How many other politicians have written books and did book tours?

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:49:48pm

The oddest human interest story of the day month year.

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bratwurst  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:50:01pm

More good news:

It’s official: nobody can keep your data safe.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:50:33pm

heh

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BeachDem  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:50:37pm

re: #162 HappyWarrior

They definitely did that with my mom’s dad.

And, as was the custom in those days (like wearing an onion on your belt), some of my grandfather’s brothers took the surname of the sponsors who brought them over, so they all have different surnames.

I go with the words of one of my old clients—If your family was Jewish in western Russia, they didn’t keep very good records because they didn’t really fucking care who you were.

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jaunte  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:51:26pm

re: #174 bratwurst

They now have a new site where you can enter more of your data to find out if your data was compromised.

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:52:15pm

Hey, BeachDem…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:53:57pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:54:07pm

re: #135 HappyWarrior

Too bad the Union didn’t do anything like that after the Civil War to show the slavery that they were fighting so hard to protect was.

They did not feel the need to intimidate anyone

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Romantic Heretic  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:54:13pm

re: #127 FormerDirtDart

The ‘double patriots’ strike again.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:54:47pm

re: #176 BeachDem

And, as was the custom in those days (like wearing an onion on your belt), some of my grandfather’s brothers took the surname of the sponsors who brought them over, so they all have different surnames.

I go with the words of one of my old clients—If your family was Jewish in western Russia, they didn’t keep very good records because they didn’t really fucking care who you were.

There’s three versions of my Grandpa’s surname. How he used it, how his parents did, and how the family in Slovenia originally and now uses it again. That’s so sad but true about the Pale.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:55:18pm

re: #179 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Plot thickens. Bibi soon?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:55:28pm

LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:55:37pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:56:00pm

re: #180 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They did not feel the need to intimidate anyone

Which was too bad because the returning confederates had no problem doing that to the Freedmen.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:56:39pm

re: #184 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!

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Haha. Going to a safe space Rushbo?

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Bubblehead II  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:57:17pm

New Olbermann.

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BeachDem  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:57:38pm

re: #178 MsJ

Hey, BeachDem…

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Yikes.

The latest from my local go-to guy:

Ed Piotrowski WPDE

4:45PM - New Irma Forecast Track
The trend in the models and the new forecast track from the National Hurricane Center has been westward today taking Irma right up the Florida Peninsula. IF this happens, it would weaken Irma MUCH faster as it moves toward Georgia and the Carolinas. Can’t rule out it staying over the ocean so please stay vigilant and prepared for the worse case scenario!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:57:59pm

re: #186 HappyWarrior

Which was too bad because the returning confederates had no problem doing that to the Freedmen.

The Northerners thought it better to ignore all that so as not to alienate the former traitors and rebels…an error of judgement that we are still paying for.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 1:59:17pm

re: #190 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The Northerners thought it better to ignore all that so as not to alienate the former traitors and rebels…an error of judgement that we are still paying for.

Agreed.

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bratwurst  Sep 7, 2017 • 2:03:00pm

Some of them? Possibly.

All of them? Not even close. We dealt with a few right here who we know to be real people and not Russian bots.

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Belafon  Sep 7, 2017 • 2:03:27pm

re: #186 HappyWarrior

Which was too bad because the returning confederates had no problem doing that to the Freedmen.

Remember Reconstruction? Remember how it ended? Not because they were finished but because the people elected Democrats that ended Reconstruction early.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2017 • 2:03:34pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 7, 2017 • 2:04:53pm

re: #193 Belafon

Remember Reconstruction? Remember how it ended? Not because they were finished but because the people elected Southern Democrats that ended Reconstruction early.

that is a nuance of American politics that is lost in the shouting match that passes for political discourse today

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 2:05:27pm

re: #193 Belafon

Remember Reconstruction? Remember how it ended? Not because they were finished but because the people elected Democrats that ended Reconstruction early.

Yep the Compromise of 1876.

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Belafon  Sep 7, 2017 • 2:05:41pm

re: #192 bratwurst

Some of them? Possibly.

All of them? Not even close. We dealt with a few right here who we know to be real people and not Russian bots.

“Prove you’re not a bot, TomP.” :)

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 7, 2017 • 2:06:39pm

re: #178 MsJ

Hey, BeachDem…

Well, that’s encouraging ///
More hurricane supplies acquired today.
Picked up some more cash from ATM, 4 more cans of soup. loaf of bread, 2 apples, Snickers bars box of dog biscuits & bag of cat treats, freezer bags, foil, TP, aspirin & acetaminophen

Will need to pick up some kitty litter tomorrow

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 2:06:50pm

re: #192 bratwurst

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Some of them? Possibly.

All of them? Not even close. We dealt with a few right here who we know to be real people and not Russian bots.

Nope. In fact, I know some of them from my early years on DU. True believers but very naive and suspectsble to this shit.

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BeachDem  Sep 7, 2017 • 2:07:01pm

re: #185 MsJ

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And let us not forget his whopper from March (bolding mine):

When Trump Jr. was interviewed by The New York Times in March, the paper says he denied participating in any campaign-related meetings with Russians. “Did I meet with people that were Russian? I’m sure, I’m sure I did,” he said. “But none that were set up. None that I can think of at the moment. And certainly none that I was representing the campaign in any way, shape or form.”

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BeachDem  Sep 7, 2017 • 2:12:26pm

re: #198 FormerDirtDart

Well, that’s encouraging ///
More hurricane supplies acquired today.
Picked up some more cash from ATM, 4 more cans of soup. loaf of bread, 2 apples, Snickers bars box of dog biscuits & bag of cat treats, freezer bags, foil, TP, aspirin & acetaminophen

Will need to pick up some kitty litter tomorrow

I got the ingredients to make Sleuth’s yummy tortellini salad. Think I’ll make it Sunday. It should last well in a cooler if we lose electricity. And I’m cooking corned beef in the slow cooker tonight for sandwiches.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 7, 2017 • 2:13:08pm
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Belafon  Sep 7, 2017 • 2:15:15pm

As the person said at Daily Kos, Trump is a child:

[I]n calls with Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi Thursday morning, Trump raved about the positive news coverage it had received, according to people familiar with the calls, and he seemed very pleased with his decision.
Trump specifically mentioned TV segments praising the deal and indicated he’d been watching in a call with Schumer, two people said. […]

Another person familiar with the calls said Trump told Pelosi her coverage was even better than his. “The press has been incredible,” Trump said.

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jaunte  Sep 7, 2017 • 2:19:32pm
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FormerDirtDart  Sep 7, 2017 • 2:22:52pm

re: #201 BeachDem

I got the ingredients to make Sleuth’s yummy tortellini salad. Think I’ll make it Sunday. It should last well in a cooler if we lose electricity. And I’m cooking corned beef in the slow cooker tonight for sandwiches.

I’ve got a pound of ground italian sausage to make some pasta sauce tonight.
And, I’m slowly filling my freezer with ice, so I’ll be able to keep what limited perishables I have left by Monday.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 7, 2017 • 2:25:34pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 7, 2017 • 2:27:54pm

re: #206 goddamnedfrank

Please, do tell me again how global warming isn’t real.

…and when you get back on the air again, Rush, tell us how all the uproar over Irma was just left-wing propaganda

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2017 • 2:30:29pm
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Stanley Sea  Sep 7, 2017 • 2:32:12pm

re: #208 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Here’s another good/scary photo

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jaunte  Sep 7, 2017 • 2:33:56pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2017 • 2:34:24pm

re: #209 Stanley Sea

Here’s another good/scary photo

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they are holding hands.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 7, 2017 • 2:34:41pm
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ObserverArt  Sep 7, 2017 • 2:36:17pm

re: #172 Belafon

How many other politicians have written books and did book tours?

It’s very rare apparently. /

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BeachDem  Sep 7, 2017 • 2:36:52pm

re: #205 FormerDirtDart

I’ve got a pound of ground italian sausage to make some pasta sauce tonight.
And, I’m slowly filling my freezer with ice, so I’ll be able to keep what limited perishables I have left by Monday.

Unfortunately, I don’t think I can eat all the food in the freezer (I’m trying!) Trying to cook up what I can, refreeze the cooked stuff and wait for the slow thaw for sandwiches.

I guess just looking at the direction my prep is taking, I’m leaning more toward staying than going. But I did fill my gas tank and get cash, so I could change my mind if it looks dire. (And, if I find a hotel, I should be popular with coolers full of food!)

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ObserverArt  Sep 7, 2017 • 2:39:10pm

re: #184 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!

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Rush will be apologizing the day after never.

It was all a joke.

(Currently house is starting to smell like chili. I think sometimes just making it is enjoyable.)

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Teukka  Sep 7, 2017 • 2:39:23pm

re: #209 Stanley Sea

Here’s another good/scary photo

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Ahhh. A family photo of Irma and Jose. How cute! ///

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Stanley Sea  Sep 7, 2017 • 2:40:44pm

re: #211 Backwoods_Sleuth

they are holding hands.

Plotting their crime

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Belafon  Sep 7, 2017 • 2:41:36pm

re: #209 Stanley Sea

Here’s another good/scary photo

See, there’s no such thing as global warming, otherwise this wouldn’t have happened before. ////

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Decatur Deb  Sep 7, 2017 • 2:44:29pm

re: #198 FormerDirtDart

Well, that’s encouraging ///
More hurricane supplies acquired today.
Picked up some more cash from ATM, 4 more cans of soup. loaf of bread, 2 apples, Snickers bars box of dog biscuits & bag of cat treats, freezer bags, foil, TP, aspirin & acetaminophen

Will need to pick up some kitty litter tomorrow

re: #201 BeachDem

I got the ingredients to make Sleuth’s yummy tortellini salad. Think I’ll make it Sunday. It should last well in a cooler if we lose electricity. And I’m cooking corned beef in the slow cooker tonight for sandwiches.

Ahem. There’s going to be a grand party down I-20 between Atlanta and Birmingham. We have tons of tents, trailers, houses, motorhomes, and cots.

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jaunte  Sep 7, 2017 • 2:46:33pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 7, 2017 • 2:48:53pm

So I just read that politico piece on Hillary and what the fuck?

I will go on record as saying I am not a huge Clinton fan but it nevertheless amazes me how much shit she takes from her own side, never mind the RWNJs.

Woman is a walking lesson in resiliency and determination that’s for sure.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 7, 2017 • 2:48:55pm

re: #220 jaunte

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Deportation force - we were fucking warned.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2017 • 2:48:56pm

he’s a loon

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jaunte  Sep 7, 2017 • 2:51:56pm

re: #222 Stanley Sea

Not confirmed.

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jaunte  Sep 7, 2017 • 2:52:14pm

But it sure is a likely rumor.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 7, 2017 • 3:02:03pm

re: #219 Decatur Deb

Ahem. There’s going to be a grand party down I-20 between Atlanta and Birmingham. We have tons of tents, trailers, houses, motorhomes, and cots.

I’m stuck here.
Blazer is broke down, so got no ride. And, hitchin’ a ride with with the boxer. beagle & cat seems a tad unlikely

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Bubblehead II  Sep 7, 2017 • 3:02:33pm

re: #222 Stanley Sea

Deportation force - we were fucking warned.

Yep. And if that 8,400 is correct, where the hell are they going to put them?

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BeachDem  Sep 7, 2017 • 3:02:38pm

re: #219 Decatur Deb

Ahem. There’s going to be a grand party down I-20 between Atlanta and Birmingham. We have tons of tents, trailers, houses, motorhomes, and cots.

Hmmm—about a six hour drive—keep in touch, OK? If Irma looks bad, I might take you up on it (and I’d bring food…and wine…and liquor)

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jaunte  Sep 7, 2017 • 3:05:28pm

re: #227 Bubblehead II

“…The operation is scheduled to occur as Congress decides whether to fund a massive expansion of the immigration detention system.”
detentionwatchnetwork.org

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Belafon  Sep 7, 2017 • 3:06:15pm

re: #227 Bubblehead II

Yep. And if that 8,400 is correct, where the hell are they going to put them?

They’ll temporarily house them outside of Houston, where they’ll make a cheap labor force until the city is rebuilt.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2017 • 3:06:57pm

re: #227 Bubblehead II

Yep. And if that 8,400 is correct, where the hell are they going to put them?

you know where they’ll put them.
Private prisons/detention centers and no way out.

We have seen this before.

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451_Montag  Sep 7, 2017 • 3:07:59pm

re: #230 Belafon

They’ll temporarily house them outside of Houston, where they’ll make a cheap labor force until the city is rebuilt.

You mean holding people against their will and making them work?

That does sound familiar

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Decatur Deb  Sep 7, 2017 • 3:08:52pm

re: #226 FormerDirtDart

I’m stuck here.
Blazer is broke down, so got no ride. And, hitchin’ a ride with with the boxer. beagle & cat seems a tad unlikely

Any way to get down I-10 to Marianna area for pickup? Your animal contribution is a bit small for the occasion. There will be 3 Great Pyrs, a couple ankle-biters, and a few cold-blooded evacuees.

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 3:09:49pm

Damn allergies. (sniff)

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 3:10:19pm

re: #227 Bubblehead II

Yep. And if that 8,400 is correct, where the hell are they going to put them?

I’m thinking for-profit prisons.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 7, 2017 • 3:10:36pm

re: #228 BeachDem

Hmmm—about a six hour drive—keep in touch, OK? If Irma looks bad, I might take you up on it (and I’d bring food…and wine…and liquor)

What do you call ‘bad’, sharknados with lasers?

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jaunte  Sep 7, 2017 • 3:13:26pm
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FormerDirtDart  Sep 7, 2017 • 3:14:37pm

re: #220 jaunte

re: #222 Stanley Sea

Deportation force - we were fucking warned.

re: #227 Bubblehead II

Yep. And if that 8,400 is correct, where the hell are they going to put them?

re: #229 jaunte

“…The operation is scheduled to occur as Congress decides whether to fund a massive expansion of the immigration detention system.”
detentionwatchnetwork.org

At that rate (6 days, 8,400 detained) detention it will take 21.5 years to round up all 11,000,000 estimated undocumented immigrants.
Of course, that doesn’t take into account the weeks and weeks of planning & coordination it has taken to set up this operation…

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Charles Johnson  Sep 7, 2017 • 3:16:03pm
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jaunte  Sep 7, 2017 • 3:16:36pm

re: #238 FormerDirtDart

“Immigrants” probably means everyone they might sweep up while looking.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 7, 2017 • 3:17:23pm
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BeachDem  Sep 7, 2017 • 3:19:32pm

re: #236 Decatur Deb

What do you call ‘bad’, sharknados with lasers?

Nah—(although that would be pretty awesome), bad means worse than Matthew, which was windy, rainy, 3-1/2 days with no power and no stores open. As I mentioned, if that’s what they’re expecting, I’d rather be here to deal with leaks, water over the doorjambs etc. as they happen. Now, if the roof’s gonna blow off and the water’s over my head, well…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 7, 2017 • 3:19:47pm

re: #239 Charles Johnson

Credit monitoring company Equifax discloses security breach potentially impacting “143 million U.S. consumers.”

but monitoring & regulation would be unwanted government interference in Free Enterprise, right?

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b.d. (bill d.)  Sep 7, 2017 • 3:19:57pm

re: #241 Charles Johnson

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And nobody in this country told Equifax that it was ok for them to collect and keep all their personal information.

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Sep 7, 2017 • 3:21:14pm

re: #196 HappyWarrior

Yep the Compromise of 1876.

Specifically triggered by the mis-named “Colfax Riots” of 1873 - it was no riot, it was a massacre of hunderds of African-American men, women and children. There are still monuments standing in celebration of this.

The official state monument
Totally non-racist.
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KGxvi  Sep 7, 2017 • 3:23:16pm

re: #241 Charles Johnson

It’s worse than that when you consider 22.8% of the population is under 18 and therefore don’t have anything to report. So that 143m is really out of about 281.7m.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 7, 2017 • 3:24:47pm

re: #244 b.d. (bill d.)

And nobody in this country told Equifax that it was ok for them to collect and keep all their personal information.

Josh has some witty comments

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scottslemmons  Sep 7, 2017 • 3:24:53pm

re: #238 FormerDirtDart

At that rate (6 days, 8,400 detained) detention it will take 21.5 years to round up all 11,000,000 estimated undocumented immigrants.
Of course, that doesn’t take into account the weeks and weeks of planning & coordination it has taken to set up this operation…

I saw one tweet speculating that the original name was probably Operation MAGA. >:(

Someday, ICE really, really, really needs to be broken apart, and their worst offenders thrown in jail for a few decades.

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 3:25:33pm
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Decatur Deb  Sep 7, 2017 • 3:25:47pm

re: #233 Decatur Deb

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KGxvi  Sep 7, 2017 • 3:26:29pm

re: #247 Stanley Sea

I wonder if my identity is stole, can I claim that those student loans from 2002-2005 were not me?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 7, 2017 • 3:27:30pm

re: #251 KGxvi

I wonder if my identity is stole, can I claim that those student loans from 2002-2005 were not me?

You should have the right to have your records deleted so that they cannot be misused by criminals…

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Sep 7, 2017 • 3:28:14pm

re: #220 jaunte

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They want their very own Kristallnacht.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 7, 2017 • 3:28:18pm

re: #251 KGxvi

I wonder if my identity is stole, can I claim that those student loans from 2002-2005 were not me?

Exactly.

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KGxvi  Sep 7, 2017 • 3:29:07pm

re: #252 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

You should have the right to have your records deleted so that they cannot be misused by criminals…

Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

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nines09  Sep 7, 2017 • 3:29:53pm

In. Out. In. Out. In. Lie down. Catch breath. Out. In….

Did you see this?

I hope he never stops. This is like a body bag workout.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 7, 2017 • 3:30:04pm

re: #249 MsJ

Deleted my ass. Like Twittter, FB is forever.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 7, 2017 • 3:30:39pm
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electrotek  Sep 7, 2017 • 3:30:40pm
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Charles Johnson  Sep 7, 2017 • 3:31:07pm
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Decatur Deb  Sep 7, 2017 • 3:31:23pm

re: #242 BeachDem

Nah—(although that would be pretty awesome), bad means worse than Matthew, which was windy, rainy, 3-1/2 days with no power and no stores open. As I mentioned, if that’s what they’re expecting, I’d rather be here to deal with leaks, water over the doorjambs etc. as they happen. Now, if the roof’s gonna blow off and the water’s over my head, well…

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Charles Johnson  Sep 7, 2017 • 3:31:33pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 7, 2017 • 3:37:46pm

re: #258 Charles Johnson

Three Equifax Executives Sold Stock Before the Company Revealed Cyber Hack

The very heart and soul of capitalism: buy low, sell high

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2017 • 3:38:25pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2017 • 3:39:49pm
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Stanley Sea  Sep 7, 2017 • 3:41:05pm

Everyone in FL etc., download that ZELLO app.

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451_Montag  Sep 7, 2017 • 3:42:56pm

re: #265 Backwoods_Sleuth

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After the hurricane it’s I expect the logs (and various other bits) of the winter shitehouse to be spread over a large area. Has anyone seen smoke coming from the chimneys like the Russian consulate?

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EPR-radar  Sep 7, 2017 • 3:44:10pm

re: #227 Bubblehead II

Yep. And if that 8,400 is correct, where the hell are they going to put them?

Concentration camps.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 7, 2017 • 3:44:50pm

re: #268 EPR-radar

Private Concentration camps.

Arbeit macht Profit

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 7, 2017 • 3:45:59pm

re: #260 Charles Johnson

Last year I would have believed there was some chance this would be prosecuted.

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 3:47:19pm

This is so cool. Zoom in and touch the hurricane and look in the lower left corner for wind speeds.

earth.nullschool.net

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 7, 2017 • 3:47:39pm

I’m gonna OT whine. I woke up with a stuffy nose and a sore throat and that’s pretty much just continued all day, as well as feeling kind of blah and off.

It is making getting done what I am supposed to be doing hard.

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freetoken  Sep 7, 2017 • 3:48:28pm

Wunderground’s Category 6 blog is infested with Drudgeites.

The moderators over there need to accept that they must be ruthless with banning.

Disqus doesn’t make that easy because one can always create new usernames.

But the moderators ought to nevertheless starting bringing the ban hammer down immediately and not give the slugs a second chance.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 7, 2017 • 3:52:52pm

re: #272 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’m gonna OT whine. I woke up with a stuffy nose and a sore throat and that’s pretty much just continued all day, as well as feeling kind of blah and off.

It is making getting done what I am supposed to be doing hard.

I’m presuming you know the ‘Neck Rule’, about exercising when you’re sick?

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Kragar  Sep 7, 2017 • 3:53:26pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 7, 2017 • 3:56:12pm

re: #274 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m presuming you know the ‘Neck Rule’, about exercising when you’re sick?

Above the neck is fine, below the neck is not, right?

It was fine for my 5k this morning. I mean, my pace was a little slow but only compared to earlier this week if I am honest and rational and not whining because I didn’t break the 11 min/mile for today’s run where last month I was solidly pleased with a 11:30 mark.

If this keeps up I might just do a 5k tomorrow instead of a 10k though.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 7, 2017 • 3:56:25pm

re: #275 Kragar

Reminder: Trump has been destroying consumer protections for months

The only argument for Trump that I could understand (but not necessarily agree with) is that the next financial crisis is unavoidable, let’s elect Trump, who will precipitate it faster so we can hit bottom, recover, get over it and start rebuilding from scratch…

and that seems to be the plan that a few investors have adopted: those with the resources to ride out or even benefit from such a disaster.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 7, 2017 • 3:56:27pm

re: #273 freetoken

Wunderground’s Category 6 blog is infested with Drudgeites.

The moderators over there need to accept that they must be ruthless with banning.

Disqus doesn’t make that easy because one can always create new usernames.

But the moderators ought to nevertheless starting bringing the ban hammer down immediately and not give the slugs a second chance.

Dafuq? What are they doing there?

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 3:56:50pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 7, 2017 • 3:58:00pm

re: #276 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Above the neck is fine, below the neck is not, right?

It was fine for my 5k this morning. I mean, my pace was a little slow but only compared to earlier this week if I am honest and rational and not whining because I didn’t break the 11 min/mile for today’s run where last month I was solidly pleased with a 11:30 mark.

If this keeps up I might just do a 5k tomorrow instead of a 10k though.

That’s the one.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 7, 2017 • 3:58:16pm

re: #242 BeachDem

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 3:59:13pm
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ICH LIEBE DICH!!!  Sep 7, 2017 • 4:01:34pm

re: #268 EPR-radar

Concentration camps.

I’m sure they can bring in Arpiao to run things. I say this in jest, but somehow it wouldn’t surprise me in the least if it actually happened.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 7, 2017 • 4:02:12pm

re: #282 MsJ

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They have the same basic problem Trump has. They blame everything on everyone else, but never look in the mirror.

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wrenchwench  Sep 7, 2017 • 4:02:23pm

re: #276 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Above the neck is fine, below the neck is not, right?

It was fine for my 5k this morning. I mean, my pace was a little slow but only compared to earlier this week if I am honest and rational and not whining because I didn’t break the 11 min/mile for today’s run where last month I was solidly pleased with a 11:30 mark.

If this keeps up I might just do a 5k tomorrow instead of a 10k though.

You could do a 0k. That would be an OK thing to do.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 7, 2017 • 4:03:09pm

re: #285 wrenchwench

You could do a 0k. That would be an OK thing to do.

I’m doing a 0k on Saturday.

(And then a half on Sunday but who’s counting?)

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Decatur Deb  Sep 7, 2017 • 4:03:11pm

re: #268 EPR-radar

Concentration camps.

Patriot Centers.

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ObserverArt  Sep 7, 2017 • 4:03:40pm

Ari Melber had Kamala Harris on for a few segments of his show.

She is fun. She is sharp. She is intelligent. She is witty. She is easy to like.

She also admitted she likes Bootsy Collins and P-funk and her mother had the complete discography of all the great soul stars. Good upbringing.

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freetoken  Sep 7, 2017 • 4:03:56pm

re: #278 Blind Frog Belly White

Dafuq? What are they doing there?

Drudge has been linking to Wunderground for the Irma.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 4:04:35pm

re: #288 ObserverArt

Ari Melber had Kamala Harris on for a few segments of his show.

She is fun. She is sharp. She is intelligent. She is witty, She is easy to like.

She also admitted she likes Bootsy Collins and P-funk and her mother had the complete discography of all the great soul stars. Good upbringing.

She seems worldly like someone else we knew.

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BeachDem  Sep 7, 2017 • 4:05:49pm

re: #281 Decatur Deb

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wheat-dogg  Sep 7, 2017 • 4:06:19pm

re: #234 MsJ

I tweeted that she needs to be cast as the next Hit Girl.

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freetoken  Sep 7, 2017 • 4:07:50pm

The Okeanos Explorer is back at it for a few weeks, exploring the Pacific near Hawaii.

Today the are on a seamount near Hawaii but not part of the Hawaii chain, but probably a Cretaceous period feature.

Oh look, there is an orange, pouting blob:

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BeachDem  Sep 7, 2017 • 4:09:50pm

re: #282 MsJ

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This comment made me simultaneously laugh and scream:

Gingrich would probably be a good Speaker, though he wimped out a bit in ‘94.

I’d like to see Mark Levin as Speaker.</em>

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wrenchwench  Sep 7, 2017 • 4:10:38pm

re: #286 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’m doing a 0k on Saturday.

(And then a half on Sunday but who’s counting?)

I think I’m going to give up counting. Or some of the counting. I’ll count laps but not heart rate. I’ve been thinking I had my target HR too high, and had a heck of a time messing with my HRM. Today it was set for a rate way lower than the old one, and I remembered how I used to sell HRMs before I ever used one: ‘Most people who get one find out they were working too hard, just wearing themselves out instead of getting better.’ I was using mine to make myself work too hard.

It takes years to sort this stuff out.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 7, 2017 • 4:11:04pm

They could have at least gone all in and called it Operation MAGA…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 7, 2017 • 4:11:47pm

re: #296 Eclectic Cyborg

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They could have at least gone all in and call it Operation MAGA…

Make Egomania Great Again!!!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 7, 2017 • 4:12:31pm

And I’ll bet you any money those ICE fucks will go after Irma victims too.

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ObserverArt  Sep 7, 2017 • 4:14:46pm

NBC meteorologist is saying almost all of South Florida from the tip up both sides and taking in Tampa St. Pete now too because they think it is going to track a bit west and then turn putting it smack in the middle of Florida.

They showed people on 1-95 heading North and it is packed and slow.

Damn. Thoughts go out for safety and security for all Floridians.

Edit to add…they are worried it will hit center bottom and head right up the middle of the peninsula. My old boss lives in Fort Meyers a good part of the year. I hope he is up here in Columbus to get away from it all.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 4:14:53pm

re: #294 BeachDem

This comment made me simultaneously laugh and scream:

Gingrich would probably be a good Speaker, though he wimped out a bit in ‘94.

I’d like to see Mark Levin as Speaker.</em>

Hahaha excuse me but hahahaha.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 7, 2017 • 4:19:07pm

re: #295 wrenchwench

I think I’m going to give up counting. Or some of the counting. I’ll count laps but not heart rate. I’ve been thinking I had my target HR too high, and had a heck of a time messing with my HRM. Today it was set for a rate way lower than the old one, and I remembered how I used to sell HRMs before I ever used one: ‘Most people who get one find out they were working too hard, just wearing themselves out instead of getting better.’ I was using mine to make myself work too hard.

It takes years to sort this stuff out.

My observation on HRMs is that unless you can determine your LT and MaxHR, they’re not very useful. If you use the ‘220 - age in years’ for MaxHR, they’re worse than useless. That would tell me my MaxHR is only 160, whereas 160 is still below my LT.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Sep 7, 2017 • 4:19:15pm

re: #296 Eclectic Cyborg

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They could have at least gone all in and call it Operation MAGA…

Make Emigration Great Again

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meteor  Sep 7, 2017 • 4:19:26pm

re: #14 451_Montag

Yay!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 7, 2017 • 4:20:11pm

re: #294 BeachDem

This comment made me simultaneously laugh and scream:

Gingrich would probably be a good Speaker, though he wimped out a bit in ‘94.

I’d like to see Mark Levin as Speaker.</em>

Not a fucking clue what the job entails. That’s why they ditched Boehner and chose Ryan, and now want to ditch Ryan.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 4:20:45pm

re: #304 Blind Frog Belly White

Not a fucking clue what the job entails. That’s why they ditched Boehner and chose Ryan, and now want to ditch Ryan.

Remember when they wanted Allen West.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 7, 2017 • 4:21:11pm

re: #304 Blind Frog Belly White

Not a fucking clue what the job entails. That’s why they ditched Boehner and chose Ryan, and now want to ditch Ryan.

The job entails running America and providing it with necessary legislation…which is the last thing they care about.

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BeachDem  Sep 7, 2017 • 4:23:23pm

Off to watch some tennis—pretty amazing that all four semi-finalists on the women’s side are Americans. First time since 1981.

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ObserverArt  Sep 7, 2017 • 4:23:37pm

Senator Blumenthal is on with Tweety saying Donnie Jr. has opened up way more questions than he answered. The Senate Investigation Committee is going to be asking him to come back under oath for more questions.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 7, 2017 • 4:24:53pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 4:27:34pm

re: #308 ObserverArt

Senator Blumenthal is on with Tweety saying Donnie Jr. has opened up way more questions than he answered. The Senate Investigation Committee is going to be asking him to come back under oath for more questions.

I like Blumenthal. Too old to be presidential material but he’s a savvy Senator.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 7, 2017 • 4:31:49pm

Wow - photos from St. Martin now on CNN

Devastation.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 7, 2017 • 4:34:12pm

re: #304 Blind Frog Belly White

Not a fucking clue what the job entails. That’s why they ditched Boehner and chose Ryan, and now want to ditch Ryan.

And Cantor, the heir apparent to Boehner, got shivved in the Republican primary.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 7, 2017 • 4:34:27pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 4:35:31pm

re: #312 Timothy Watson

And Cantor, the heir apparent to Boehner, got shivved in the Republican primary.

Don’t forget about Kevin McCarthy whose Speakership chances ended when he opened his yap.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 4:36:12pm

re: #313 Blind Frog Belly White

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Note to Trumpers who think Trump is a “bad ass” and “tough”, meet Senator Duckworth.

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wrenchwench  Sep 7, 2017 • 4:36:15pm

re: #301 Blind Frog Belly White

Do I need one of those on-the-treadmill tests?

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electrotek  Sep 7, 2017 • 4:37:08pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 4:40:43pm

re: #317 electrotek

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Really goes to show that every religion has its assholes.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 7, 2017 • 4:42:32pm

re: #308 ObserverArt

Senator Blumenthal is on with Tweety saying Donnie Jr. has opened up way more questions than he answered. The Senate Investigation Committee is going to be asking him to come back under oath for more questions.

I think that goes without saying. Kid doesn’t seem to be guarded with what he sez. He wasn’t under oath today anyway. I see him sinking his own ship before it’s all over.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 7, 2017 • 4:42:43pm

re: #313 Blind Frog Belly White

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Reminds me of an amputee mountain bike racer I worked with in Seattle named Brett Wolfe, dude’s remaining leg was so powerful that he’s routinely destroy crank arms.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 7, 2017 • 4:43:38pm

re: #308 ObserverArt

Senator Blumenthal is on with Tweety saying Donnie Jr. has opened up way more questions than he answered. The Senate Investigation Committee is going to be asking him to come back under oath for more questions.

Cong. Schiff agrees

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 7, 2017 • 4:45:29pm

Maybe ICE should be rounding up someone else…

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 4:46:13pm

re: #322 FormerDirtDart

Maybe ICE should be rounding up someone else…

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Nah, more satisfying to go after some immigrants.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 7, 2017 • 4:47:37pm

re: #316 wrenchwench

Do I need one of those on-the-treadmill tests?

Dunno. I determined my LT by repeatedly observing the HR at which, when climbing, I went from breathing to panting.

Max HR I determined by attacking uphill on a group ride at about 25mph. At 193, my body said to my brain, “Ah cannae gie ye any morre powerrr, Captain! Shee’ll bloe!!!”

That was about 17 years ago, but I can still hit 180 without hitting that wall, so I know my max is still higher than 180.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 7, 2017 • 4:47:44pm

re: #322 FormerDirtDart

Maybe ICE should be rounding up someone else…

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How is that not insider trading? And how do they not get sued by other stockholders?

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 7, 2017 • 4:47:53pm

re: #313 Blind Frog Belly White

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When I was in the hospital in the rehab room, where the therapist was showing me how to use a walker and hop on one foot without letting my cast touch the floor, I didn’t bitch or complain because there was one other person in the rehab room: an amputee.

I mean like, eventually this cast will come off and I will get my leg back. The cast was actually swapped out a couple of days ago for a removable one, but I’m not supposed to take it off except in the shower.

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ObserverArt  Sep 7, 2017 • 4:48:08pm

re: #319 Dave In Austin

I think that goes without saying. Kid doesn’t seem to be guarded with what he sez. He wasn’t under oath today anyway. I see him sinking his own ship before it’s all over.

He is arrogant and ignorant. That combination will cause his downfall.

Key is will he take his father down? He may just be thick and cocky enough to do it without realizing what he has done.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 7, 2017 • 4:49:17pm

re: #315 HappyWarrior

Note to Trumpers who think Trump is a “bad ass” and “tough”, meet Senator Duckworth.

Tammy for President 2020.

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MsJ  Sep 7, 2017 • 4:50:18pm

re: #325 Timothy Watson

How is that not insider trading? And how do they not get sued by other stockholders?

Absolutely is insider trading. We’ll see if there are ramifications.

This could put them out of business if people whose data was stolen sue.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 7, 2017 • 4:50:21pm

re: #322 FormerDirtDart

Maybe ICE should be rounding up someone else…

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How fucking stupid can you get? This is plainly trading while in possession of material, nonpublic information. Newsflash - the SEC doesn’t have to prove your state of mind. This is why publicly traded companies have insider trading policies.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 4:50:55pm

re: #328 The Vicious Babushka

Tammy for President 2020.

I really like her a lot too. Such the anti-Trump.

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EPR-radar  Sep 7, 2017 • 4:56:19pm

re: #330 Blind Frog Belly White

How fucking stupid can you get? This is plainly trading while in possession of material, nonpublic information. Newsflash - the SEC doesn’t have to prove your state of mind. This is why publicly traded companies have insider trading policies.

The SEC under tr*mp also doesn’t have to do anything at all. It will be interesting to see if the tr*mp blight extends to not prosecuting blatant insider trading.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 7, 2017 • 4:57:18pm

re: #332 EPR-radar

The SEC under tr*mp also doesn’t have to do anything at all. It will be interesting to see if the tr*mp blight extends to not prosecuting blatant insider trading.

Do we even have a SEC commish? But somehow Trump was going to reign in WS better then Clinton.

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Bubblehead II  Sep 7, 2017 • 4:57:54pm

Night Lizards. East Coast Lizards.You are in my mind. Be safe.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 7, 2017 • 4:59:55pm

re: #332 EPR-radar

The SEC under tr*mp also doesn’t have to do anything at all. It will be interesting to see if the tr*mp blight extends to not prosecuting blatant insider trading.

Reagan’s SEC was pretty good at prosecuting insider trading, as was Bush’s, based on my observations of a couple cases at companies where I worked then.

We were told, “The SEC knows who all your relatives are. They know your high school pals. They know your college roomate’s girlfriend. Don’t even THINK about it!”

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Decatur Deb  Sep 7, 2017 • 5:06:06pm

re: #328 The Vicious Babushka

Tammy for President 2020.

She lacks the common human empathy for those who suffer bone spurs.


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