Trump’s Anti-Science EPA Head Says We Shouldn’t Discuss Climate Change Now

It would be “insensitive”
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The guy Donald Trump picked to head the Environmental Protection Agency, like most of Trump’s picks, is leading an agency he’s determined to undermine and destroy; Scott Pruitt is a far right climate change denier in the pocket of the fossil fuel industries. And today he gave an interview to CNN in which he used the well-worn “bad timing” excuse to try to shut down discussion of climate change, as we see one of the most powerful super-storms ever recorded poised to lay waste to the east coast of the US.

Washington (CNN) – Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Scott Pruitt told CNN in an interview about Hurricane Irma on Thursday that the time to talk about climate change isn’t now.

“Here’s the issue,” Pruitt told CNN in a phone interview. “To have any kind of focus on the cause and effect of the storm; versus helping people, or actually facing the effect of the storm, is misplaced.”

He continued: “What we need to focus on is access to clean water, addressing these areas of superfund activities that may cause an attack on water, these issues of access to fuel. … Those are things so important to citizens of Florida right now, and to discuss the cause and effect of these storms, there’s the… place (and time) to do that, it’s not now.”

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“Congress should address that at some point. And Congress hasn’t,” he said. “All I’m saying to you is, to use time and effort to address it at this point is very, very insensitive to the people in Florida.”

It’s pretty safe to say there’s never going to be a time when Trump’s anti-science puppets give their permission to discuss the ever-worsening impact of climate change.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Sep 8, 2017 • 12:10:10pm

But will he talk about tax cuts?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 8, 2017 • 12:11:11pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Sep 8, 2017 • 12:12:08pm

Insensitive? Maybe he needs a safe space. LIKE A STORM SHELTER to understand the phenomenon. (Sorry for the frustrated holler)

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jaunte  Sep 8, 2017 • 12:12:58pm
“…to discuss the cause and effect of these storms, there’s the… place (and time) to do that, it’s not now.”

I’ll check with my co-workers who got flooded out of their homes by the Harvey 1000-year rainfall event and see if they mind if ‘cause and effect’ is discussed. I don’t think they will.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 8, 2017 • 12:13:29pm

Just like the RWNJs who inevitably say after every mass shooting that it’s too early to talk about gun control.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 8, 2017 • 12:14:51pm

Yet not a word to the funnies who blame gays. Chickenshit.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 8, 2017 • 12:14:52pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 8, 2017 • 12:14:59pm

Okay, so here’s a brief overview as to why hurricane evacuations can be such a mess.

Seven to Ten days out most hurricane prone coastal areas become aware of a storm, typically by the five day mark there’s a general idea where it’s headed and people in those areas can begin making preparations. I can’t speak for everyone in the hurricane zones but most people I know around here don’t consider evacuating for anything less than a Cat 3, for some people there may be medical factors and such that make evacuating more of a necessity, but this example is meant to be from a general population perspective.

So, let’s assume we’re 6 days out and the storm is projected to be at least a strong Cat 3 or 4 by the time it makes landfall. This is the point where people who can easily afford to start to leave but generally they make up a relatively small percentage of those who stand to be impacted by the storm. I’m talking people who can afford to FLY out without a problem.

For the not so fortunate they have to carefully think about their work and financial situations prior to leaving. Some jobs will NOT give extra days for a storm until a mandatory evacuation is called, which is often two days or less until a storm is due to hit. Even if you can get days off, they may not be paid (think a lot of service industry jobs).

Evacuating by land based vehicle is dicey for several reasons:

1) Most vehicles can get around 250-300 miles on a full tank of gas. For reference, the distance from Orlando, Florida to Atlanta, GA. Is 440 miles. Also realize you can make your best mileage on a low to moderate traffic road in fair to good weather conditions. Obviously, with a hurricane like Irma, there’s only so many evacuation routes north and those roads, even the interstates, are NOT designed to handle the volume of traffic generated by an event like this. This is why contraflow (where both sides of an interstate are allowed to flow in the same direction) is sometimes enacted, though even it can only do so much to alleviate the volume. Of course, being stuck in an endless traffic jam will burn through your gas just like driving regular highway miles does. This is what caused so many problems during the Houston evacuation for Rita back in 2005.
2) Good luck finding more gas - So let’s say you’re evacuating from Orlando to Atlanta and you run out of gas somewhere around Lake City, FL. You try to find a gas station that still has any and…you can’t. Well…so much for evacuating by car then. Now, you’re effectively stuck and facing the prospect of not riding out the storm at home but rather in your vehicle or perhaps a shelter if you can find one (This goes on the assumption that pretty much all the hotel rooms in the area have been snapped up at this point).
3) Not all of us have a vehicle capable of making a several hundred mile round trip. My 7 year old, relatively well looked after Chevy Impala with about 120 000 miles on it, while it can certainly handle road trips, has just that much more chance of breaking down me. Owning a late model or low mileage vehicle is a privilege, not a right.

Now you understand why some people just say “Evacuating? Screw it, I’m going to take my chances staying put.” We make fun of some of these people, ostensibly for being dumb, but you got to understand that a lot of thought and reasoning probably went into their decision to stay behind. A lot of them probably WISH they could evacuate, but for a lot of them, it’s just not possible.

Of course, you can see the class system at play here. Obviously those with more wealth and means will be much better equipped to get the hell out of dodge before it gets really bad, while those of more limited means have no choice but to ride it out and hope for the best. The wealthy will also get through the recovery much more quickly than lower income folks.

Even the best organized, most orderly evacuation ever will be a long and involved process.

Unfortunately such an evacuation will never happen because of human nature. You get a bunch of worried panicked people in a crowd and you’ve got a recipe for disaster.

Evacuation might seem like an easy choice from a basic perspective, but in reality it’s anything but.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 8, 2017 • 12:15:30pm

re: #2 Backwoods_Sleuth

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A complete dick.

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Dragonomics  Sep 8, 2017 • 12:16:55pm

Pruitt is also deploying the ‘we can’t do 2 things at once’ argument, as in we can’t focus on disaster relief and discuss climate change at the same time. That’s way too much, but meanwhile TAX CUTS!!

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JordanRules  Sep 8, 2017 • 12:18:58pm

re: #10 Dragonomics

I really hope he and our Gov’t can talk about and do more than 1 thing at a time. We’ve got multiple natural disasters going on right now.

If they can’t. They should resign.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 8, 2017 • 12:21:56pm

re: #2 Backwoods_Sleuth

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What kind of blithering idiot? Ted Yoho. Of course.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 8, 2017 • 12:22:42pm

re: #10 Dragonomics

Pruitt is also deploying the ‘we can’t do 2 things at once’ argument, as in we can’t focus on disaster relief and discuss climate change at the same time. That’s way too much, but meanwhile TAX CUTS!!

Yeah I really hate that bs approach.

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Belafon  Sep 8, 2017 • 12:25:15pm

Yeah, now is not the time to discuss why the state that has dealt with a huge number of hurricanes even since humans have started living there is having to consider a statewide evacuation due to a hurricane made larger by human actions. It’s so insensitive.

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He’s an idiot.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 8, 2017 • 12:26:37pm

Gosh, I wonder if it also applies to a state that’s had a lot of earthquakes due to fracking?

Silly me, why even ask that?????

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makeitstop  Sep 8, 2017 • 12:26:44pm

Boom, perhaps.

If Fatboy signed that letter, it’s fucking OVER.

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wrenchwench  Sep 8, 2017 • 12:29:53pm

I deactivated (or whatever they called it) my FB page this morning. My log in page looks the same. I do have a tendency to jump before thinking lately, but I have considered doing this before, so it didn’t feel like I was Russian into anything.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 8, 2017 • 12:30:27pm

re: #16 makeitstop

Boom, perhaps.

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If Fatboy signed that letter, it’s fucking OVER.

i’m taking two points off his grade for poor punctuation regarding possesives

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Charles Johnson  Sep 8, 2017 • 12:31:25pm
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Skip Intro  Sep 8, 2017 • 12:32:44pm

re: #16 makeitstop

Boom, perhaps.

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If Fatboy signed that letter, it’s fucking OVER.

After 10,000 criminal actions this is the one that will bring him down.

In your dreams.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 8, 2017 • 12:33:46pm

re: #2 Backwoods_Sleuth

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so it seems “yoho” is a respelling for english pronunciation of a swiss family name that was originally “johas” and then “joha” at some intermediate stage

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JordanRules  Sep 8, 2017 • 12:34:30pm

re: #20 Skip Intro

I’m holding tight to my dreams and judiciary action these days. It’s all I’ve got!

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 8, 2017 • 12:35:08pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

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In media ad buy terms that’s a Cost Per Thousand Impressions (CPM) of $1.42 (70M people / $100K). probably the most efficient advertising rate I’ve ever seen and roughly 80.5% lower than Facebook’s average CPM. Even when you factor in the lower rates associated with reaching the older demographics that were likely being targeted it looks like Facebook cut the Russians quite a deal.

The 2016 election will go down as a fire sale on American democracy.

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makeitstop  Sep 8, 2017 • 12:35:25pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

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Avoid the ID protection! There’s an arbitration clause that will preclude any further legal action.

It’s a trap.

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makeitstop  Sep 8, 2017 • 12:36:00pm

Today, on RWNJ Hypocrites

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 8, 2017 • 12:36:00pm

re: #8 Eclectic Cyborg

Basically, infrastructure that can barely handle the morning commute of a fraction of the inhabitants of a metro area will not allow all the residents of an area to bug out quickly.

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alloutofcrazyhere  Sep 8, 2017 • 12:36:57pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

In regards to that.

Interesting read from Arstechnica.

Link

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 8, 2017 • 12:37:00pm

re: #17 wrenchwench

I deactivated (or whatever they called it) my FB page this morning. My log in page looks the same. I do have a tendency to jump before thinking lately, but I have considered doing this before, so it didn’t feel like I was Russian into anything.

Welcome to the club, tiny sandwiches and bloody marys will be served shortly.

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makeitstop  Sep 8, 2017 • 12:37:04pm

re: #20 Skip Intro

After 10,000 criminal actions this is the one that will bring him down.

In your dreams.

Okay, then, I give up.
/

Jesus.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 8, 2017 • 12:37:24pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 8, 2017 • 12:38:10pm

re: #25 makeitstop

Today, on RWNJ Hypocrites

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Haha

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Charles Johnson  Sep 8, 2017 • 12:39:19pm
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wrenchwench  Sep 8, 2017 • 12:39:19pm

re: #28 goddamnedfrank

Welcome to the club, tiny sandwiches and bloody marys will be served shortly.

I’ll maintain my holding pattern with fruitless pizza and even more fruitless decaf.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 8, 2017 • 12:40:29pm

re: #28 goddamnedfrank

Welcome to the club, tiny sandwiches and bloody marys will be served shortly.

As long as it’s not tiny bloody sandwiches.

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Skip Intro  Sep 8, 2017 • 12:40:58pm

re: #29 makeitstop

Okay, then, I give up.
/

Jesus.

Trump is, and always has been untouchable. I have no idea why, that’s just the way it is. No one else in the history of US politics could have survived his presidential campaign, but he not only survived it but won. Now he has the entire right wing media defending everything he does, even if it means attacking other RWNJ Republicans.

That’s reality. I wish it wasn’t.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 8, 2017 • 12:41:58pm

re: #35 Skip Intro

Trump is, and always has been untouchable. I have no idea why, that’s just the way it is. No one else in the history of US politics could have survived his presidential campaign, but he not only survived it but won. Now he has the entire right wing media defending everything he does, even if it means attacking other RWNJ Republicans.

That’s reality. I wish it wasn’t.

Knowing history, he’ll get brought down by something unexpected.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 8, 2017 • 12:42:18pm
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Skip Intro  Sep 8, 2017 • 12:42:40pm

re: #36 HappyWarrior

A stroke or heart attack, maybe.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 8, 2017 • 12:42:41pm
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goddamnedfrank  Sep 8, 2017 • 12:42:52pm
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nines09  Sep 8, 2017 • 12:44:14pm

re: #17 wrenchwench

I deactivated (or whatever they called it) my FB page this morning. My log in page looks the same. I do have a tendency to jump before thinking lately, but I have considered doing this before, so it didn’t feel like I was Russian into anything.

I can thank facebook for one thing. It let me see that I really didn’t know people I thought I knew.

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Belafon  Sep 8, 2017 • 12:45:05pm

re: #40 goddamnedfrank

Or how we can leave them unregulated.

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Skip Intro  Sep 8, 2017 • 12:45:11pm

re: #40 goddamnedfrank

Jeez, Frank, the next thing you’ll want is for these fine businessmen to go to jail like a common street thug stealing a pack of cigarettes.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 8, 2017 • 12:46:28pm

re: #38 Skip Intro

A stroke or heart attack, maybe.

I was thinking more his tax evasion brought down Capone or being caught badmouthing Gravano got Gotti.

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MsJ  Sep 8, 2017 • 12:46:29pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

Charles, read the last thread re: Equifax. There are several comments. If you agree to their terms your agreeing to arbitration. Their site is insecure as hell.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 8, 2017 • 12:47:03pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

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Jeezus.

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wrenchwench  Sep 8, 2017 • 12:47:20pm

re: #41 nines09

I can thank facebook for one thing. It let me see that I really didn’t know people I thought I knew.

It gave me the opportunity to stay in touch with my family. That was the downside. The upside: ?????????????????

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Charles Johnson  Sep 8, 2017 • 12:47:53pm

re: #45 MsJ

Charles, read the last thread re: Equifax. There are several comments. If you agree to their terms your agreeing to arbitration. Their site is insecure as hell.

That clause about waiving rights to a class action suit is bullshit. No way it will stand up in court.

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lawhawk  Sep 8, 2017 • 12:47:59pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

If you want to really get pissed off, there’s reports indicating that if you actually check to see if you’re part of the data breach, you waive rights to sue their asses.

Like most websites, at the bottom of this new site is a section called “Terms of Use.” There, in paragraph 4, is bolded, uppercase text of note. It tells site visitors that you agree to waive your right to sue and instead must “resolve all disputes by binding, individual arbitration.”

AGREEMENT TO RESOLVE ALL DISPUTES BY BINDING INDIVIDUAL ARBITRATION. PLEASE READ THIS ENTIRE SECTION CAREFULLY BECAUSE IT AFFECTS YOUR LEGAL RIGHTS BY REQUIRING ARBITRATION OF DISPUTES (EXCEPT AS SET FORTH BELOW) AND A WAIVER OF THE ABILITY TO BRING OR PARTICIPATE IN A CLASS ACTION, CLASS ARBITRATION, OR OTHER REPRESENTATIVE ACTION. ARBITRATION PROVIDES A QUICK AND COST EFFECTIVE MECHANISM FOR RESOLVING DISPUTES, BUT YOU SHOULD BE AWARE THAT IT ALSO LIMITS YOUR RIGHTS TO DISCOVERY AND APPEAL.

Of course, it will be up to the courts to decide whether arbitration agreements are enforceable. The legal standard is whether they’re “unconscionable.” We’ll find out soon enough because class-action lawsuits are already being lodged on behalf of breach victims.

NY AG Scheiderman’s already lodging a suit against Equifax on that very issue.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 8, 2017 • 12:49:13pm
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meteor  Sep 8, 2017 • 12:49:21pm

Storm hasn’t hit yet over here by Tampa. It’ll probably be tomorrow or Sunday. Me, I’m watching ‘Prime Suspect’ and saving the good beer for later.

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Skip Intro  Sep 8, 2017 • 12:49:50pm

re: #44 HappyWarrior

If Capone had owned the FBI, the IRS, and the Justice Department he never would have spent a day in jail. The syphilis would still have gotten him though.

I’m putting my faith in disease.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 8, 2017 • 12:49:58pm

Access…….

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 8, 2017 • 12:50:18pm
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Charles Johnson  Sep 8, 2017 • 12:51:23pm

re: #49 lawhawk

Yep, I saw that. That waiver is never going to stand up, and I’ll bet they remove it soon. Equifax is in deep shit, and they made it much worse by the way they’ve handled this awful situation - CEOs dumping stock while they waited 40 days to make the breach public.

No way I’m going to use their ID protection service.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 8, 2017 • 12:51:30pm

re: #52 Skip Intro

If Capone had owned the FBI, the IRS, and the Justice Department he never would have spent a day in jail. The syphilis would still have gotten him though.

I’m putting my faith in disease.

True but I meant unexpected. Heart attack or stroke with how Trump takes care of himself would not be unexpected imo.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 8, 2017 • 12:52:50pm

re: #54 goddamnedfrank

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Yep I literally saw the same people bitching about Hillary’s book elated about Bernie being on Colbert. Sad thing is Frank they have no idea they’re being sexist.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 8, 2017 • 12:53:30pm

re: #55 Charles Johnson

Yep, I saw that. That waiver is never going to stand up, and I’ll bet they remove it soon. Equifax is in deep shit, and they made it much worse by the way they’ve handled this awful situation - CEOs dumping stock while they waited 40 days to make the breach public.

No way I’m going to use their ID protection service.

That I hadn’t heard. Holy shit. That’s a major scandal right there. In saner times, there’d probably be Congressional hearings.

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makeitstop  Sep 8, 2017 • 12:53:49pm
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goddamnedfrank  Sep 8, 2017 • 12:54:04pm

re: #48 Charles Johnson

That clause about waiving rights to a class action suit is bullshit. No way it will stand up in court.

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JordanRules  Sep 8, 2017 • 12:54:40pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 8, 2017 • 12:54:55pm
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goddamnedfrank  Sep 8, 2017 • 12:56:21pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 8, 2017 • 12:57:02pm

re: #54 goddamnedfrank

Hey, for more ‘double standard’ goodness, read the comments under that tweet. Boy, am I tired of white men. Holy fucking Hannah, but we are the most FRAGILE, needy, easily triggered WHINERS!!

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 8, 2017 • 12:57:59pm

re: #63 goddamnedfrank

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143,000,000 people? Yeah…….that’s like what, 40% or so of the entire US population?

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Belafon  Sep 8, 2017 • 12:58:17pm

re: #58 Dr Lizardo

That I hadn’t heard. Holy shit. That’s a major scandal right there. In saner times, there’d probably be Congressional hearings.

Schneiderman will be making sure they all sit in a prison in NY.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 8, 2017 • 12:58:19pm

re: #61 JordanRules

nobody with a brain could possibly believe this

but what about the other 27% of americans?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 8, 2017 • 12:58:38pm

re: #65 Dr Lizardo

143,000,000 people? Yeah…….that’s like what, 40% or so of the entire US population?

Just about and a majority of the voting population.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 8, 2017 • 12:59:07pm

As if I didn’t already have stuff to worry about, and they tell me I can’t start the TrustedID trial for another week. A lot can happen in a week. Ask me how I know.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 8, 2017 • 12:59:16pm
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Dr Lizardo  Sep 8, 2017 • 12:59:47pm

re: #67 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

but what about the other 27% of americans?

They’ll believe anything.

If there’s people out there that sincerely believe that our planet is less than 10,000 years old, well, let’s just say you could sell those folks a turd wrapped in tinfoil and convince them it’s a Snickers bar.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:00:17pm

I’d hate to be an IT guy at Equifax right now.

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MsJ  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:00:33pm

re: #58 Dr Lizardo

That I hadn’t heard. Holy shit. That’s a major scandal right there. In saner times, there’d probably be Congressional hearings.

Not just the CEO but like five top executives.

I’m pretty sure this is going to kill Equifax.

What I want to know is what recourse do we have for these companies that have all our personal data when we don’t give them permission you even have it (!) when they are irresponsible with that personal data and shit like this happens. Why are they even allowed to have this much information?

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wheat-dogg  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:00:39pm

re: #71 Dr Lizardo

They’ll believe anything.

If there’s people out there that sincerely believe that our planet is less than 10,000 years old, well, let’s just say you could sell those folks a turd wrapped in tinfoil and convince them it’s a Snickers bar.

Trump’s favorite snack!

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HappyWarrior  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:00:43pm

re: #64 Blind Frog Belly White

Hey, for more ‘double standard’ goodness, read the comments under that tweet. Boy, am I tired of white men. Holy fucking Hannah, but we are the most FRAGILE, needy, easily triggered WHINERS!!

If I learned anything from this past year’s primary, it’s that we (white male progressives) can be just as sexist as our wingnut counterparts. Some of the worst sexism I’ve seen directed Hillary’s way came not from conservatives but other WMPs. And then the racial condescending bullshit about how minorities were too ill uninformed to “know that Bernie was best.”

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Kragar  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:00:55pm
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nines09  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:01:37pm

re: #47 wrenchwench

Yes. Exactly. Family and about 3 or 4 old friends from years and years ago who didn’t drive off the cliff. The rest went stupid and mean. And wanted to know why you wasn’t stupid and mean.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:01:51pm

re: #72 wheat-dogg

I’d hate to be an IT guy at Equifax right now.

I’d hate to work for Equifax right now. Seriously - even in the mailroom..

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HappyWarrior  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:02:06pm

re: #76 Kragar

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I’m starting to think the crazy CT was right that the Cold War never really ended.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:02:51pm

re: #78 Dr Lizardo

I’d hate to work for Equifax right now. Seriously - even in the mailroom..

Poor Stevie.

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JordanRules  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:03:20pm

re: #79 HappyWarrior

Me too!

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:03:41pm

re: #73 MsJ

Not just the CEO but like five top executives.

I’m pretty sure this is going to kill Equifax.

What I want to know is what recourse do we have for these companies that have all our personal data when we don’t give them permission you even have it (!) when they are irresponsible with that personal data and shit like this happens. Why are they even allowed to have this much information?

Those executives will get jobs in the cybercrimes division of the Trump Administration.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:03:44pm

re: #61 JordanRules

Sure, three high ranking executives just happened to unload their stock at the SAME DAMN TIME…

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:03:45pm

re: #80 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Poor Stevie.

The one guy at Equifax who truly has my sympathy.

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ObserverArt  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:04:02pm

re: #64 Blind Frog Belly White

Hey, for more ‘double standard’ goodness, read the comments under that tweet. Boy, am I tired of white men. Holy fucking Hannah, but we are the most FRAGILE, needy, easily triggered WHINERS!!

Been that way for a long time. Nothing new. Being on top has never been enough. Keeping others from getting close has not been enough.

It’s never enough!

Hey that reminds me…it is Friday we need some moar tuneage.

The Cure - Never Enough

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HappyWarrior  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:04:28pm

Guys though, they already have a new target: Kamala Harris. Watch for that.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:04:35pm

re: #73 MsJ

Not just the CEO but like five top executives.

I’m pretty sure this is going to kill Equifax.

What I want to know is what recourse do we have for these companies that have all our personal data when we don’t give them permission you even have it (!) when they are irresponsible with that personal data and shit like this happens. Why are they even allowed to have this much information?

Ostensibly to enable lenders to judge how good a credit risk you are. None of the information (birthdays, CC numbers, account numbers) is redacted, though. I’ve seen the printed reports lenders get from the bureaus. There’s enough there for anyone to steal your identity and your money if that info is available.

I don’t understand why the account numbers can’t be redacted, and why it’s necessary to have a seven- or ten-year record of all the places you’ve lived.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:05:50pm

re: #86 HappyWarrior

Guys though, they already have a new target: Kamala Harris. Watch for that.

& Corey Booker

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Charles Johnson  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:06:06pm

re: #58 Dr Lizardo

That I hadn’t heard. Holy shit. That’s a major scandal right there. In saner times, there’d probably be Congressional hearings.

The House Financial Services Committee has announced they’re going to have hearings about it.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:06:23pm

re: #81 JordanRules

Me too!

I mean maybe this was off in the Yelstin years but Putin definitely seems eager to return to the past.

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whitebeach  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:06:32pm

This is where I remind people who bashed New Orleanians (not that I think any are here) that with predicted landfall of Irma in Florida sometime Sunday, we are at roughly the point in the timeline when the predictions finally identified New Orleans as a likely point of Katrina’s strike. Up till then, the tracks listed as probable were well to the east.

Imagine evacuating Miami on that kind of notice.

Of course, the flip side is that Irma could still throw a curve, although hurricane prediction has advanced noticeably since Katrina.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:06:35pm

For what it’s worth, I’ve always hated the credit bureaus.

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Kragar  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:06:39pm
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wheat-dogg  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:07:15pm

re: #89 Charles Johnson

The House Financial Services Committee has announced they’re going to have hearings about it.

Well, sure. Probably most of the committee members have already checked the Equifax site and found out their data was probably breached.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:07:22pm

re: #88 Stanley Sea

& Corey Booker

Yep. And call me crazy but I don’t think it’s a consequence that both Senators Booker and Harris are minorities. I really like both of them by the way. Corey did annoy me with the defense of Bain Capital in 2012 but I do like he has a focus on CJ reform and I really like Kamala too.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:08:10pm
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lawhawk  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:08:29pm

re: #55 Charles Johnson

Yep, I saw that. That waiver is never going to stand up, and I’ll bet they remove it soon. Equifax is in deep shit, and they made it much worse by the way they’ve handled this awful situation - CEOs dumping stock while they waited 40 days to make the breach public.

No way I’m going to use their ID protection service.

I agree that the provision wont hold up but it might take a court ruling to make them drop it.

But they will get to shit on everyone’s credit ratings (and screw millions of people by mishandling their data) in the process. ID protection service doesn’t mean a damned thing when they’ve opened the barn door.

I’d temper that “they’re in deep shit” when we’ve got a Sessions’ run DOJ and Trump admin has decided to let the criminals run the asylum. White collar crime has always been far harder to prosecute and the punishment is never as much as it is for other kinds of crime.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:08:57pm

re: #93 Kragar

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We’ve had years of fear based bullshit about the government including Reagan’s stupid “I’m from the government and I’m here to help.” We need to realize that government can and often is a force for good. We’re the government and the government is us. It’s not some entity across an ocean.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:09:25pm

re: #89 Charles Johnson

The House Financial Services Committee has announced they’re going to have hearings about it.

That’s good to hear. In such a major personal data breach that affects millions, hearings are absolutely necessary.

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stpaulbear  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:09:51pm

re: #2 Backwoods_Sleuth

Aunt Crabby 🖕🏻 @DearAuntCrabby
FL State Rep @RepTedYoho @TedYoho Voted NO on Hurricane Relief. What kind of a blithering idiot FROM FUCKING FLORIDA would to that?

Four republicans from TEXAS voted against it.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:11:04pm

Well, I’m out for the night. Have a good one Lizards.

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BeachDem  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:11:11pm

re: #2 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Three of the six wingnutties from SC voted no, including Mark Sanford, who truly should know better, having lived on Sullivan’s Island until Jenny got that house in the divorce.

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wrenchwench  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:12:22pm

A guy picked up his one bike and left me the other. I said he could leave his adorable daughter as payment. I said to her, ‘You can sweep floors, right? And vacuum?’ He said, ‘She’s the last of my 5, she’s the baby.’ When they were going out the door, he said, ‘Come on little lizard.’ I almost took that as my cue to jump in the truck with them.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:12:38pm

re: #97 lawhawk

They’ve already “clarified” that the waiver applies only if you sign up for their ID protection system, not just for checking to see if you were affected.

With the way Equifax is handling this, anyone who signs up for their ID protection system is a fool.

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makeitstop  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:12:53pm

re: #85 ObserverArt

Hey that reminds me…it is Friday we need some moar tuneage.

I went with this one earlier, because it’s the sonic equivalent of my mood today.

Jeff Beck & Imogen Heap-Rollin’ And Tumblin’

And Imogen Heap is great on this track.

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nines09  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:13:57pm

Where the hell is this from?

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Skip Intro  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:14:20pm

re: #61 JordanRules

Well, then, that’s it.

Case closed!

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stpaulbear  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:16:29pm

re: #104 Charles Johnson

They’ve already “clarified” that the waiver applies only if you sign up for their ID protection system, not just for checking to see if you were affected.

With the way Equifax is handling this, anyone who signs up for their ID protection system is a fool.

Don’t you have to give them six digits (instead of the usual four) of you SSN to find out if your info has been hacked? I don’t want to trust them with that much additional info.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:16:41pm

re: #54 goddamnedfrank

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You’re not the only one upset, Frank!

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Kragar  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:16:50pm

re: #106 nines09

Where the hell is this from?

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Star Trek Enterprise, with how the Mirror Universe started

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:16:59pm

re: #106 nines09

2! lol

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Kragar  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:17:06pm
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goddamnedfrank  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:18:20pm

Just baller.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:19:58pm

re: #76 Kragar

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nines09  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:20:42pm

re: #110 Kragar

Missed that entirely. I was trying to figure out if it was just good edit/splice. Something new every day.

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Skip Intro  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:20:46pm
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Charles Johnson  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:21:15pm

re: #109 Joe Bacon 🌹

That’s just maddening. I’ve read excerpts from Clinton’s book in which she VERY CLEARLY accepts most of the blame herself for losing the election. Yes, she says there were other factors that played into it as well, and guess what? There WERE.

Before this election, to be honest I wasn’t a huge fan of Hillary Clinton, but the way she’s been treated by the media throughout the campaign and continuing to this day is absolutely disgusting.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:27:09pm

re: #76 Kragar

Facebook’s most popular Texas secession page, which painted Hillary Clinton as anti-gun, was created by Russians.
— The Trace

This is fine everything is f

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:28:04pm

re: #117 Charles Johnson

That’s just maddening. I’ve read excerpts from Clinton’s book in which she VERY CLEARLY accepts most of the blame herself for losing the election. Yes, she says there were other factors that played into it as well, and guess what? There WERE.

Before this election, to be honest I wasn’t a huge fan of Hillary Clinton, but the way she’s been treated by the media throughout the campaign and continuing to this day is absolutely disgusting.

How she’s handled all of this makes me like her more, honestly.

After the convention, when I listened to Chelsea talk about her mom, I told my mom that I thought she was a lot like Hillary. Mom was a little taken aback until I explained why, because Mom too has some of the kneejerk reactions (I know all about the “feelings” people have) but maybe it’s because of seeing that comparison that I warmed more to Hillary? Being a woman in a male-dominated field is grueling and yet Hillary’s never lost her compassion or her humanity despite it, and that’s the part that reminded me of my mom.

I think my mom liked her better after that too.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:28:59pm

re: #109 Joe Bacon 🌹

You’re not the only one upset, Frank!

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:29:24pm

Anyway apparently we own NO decongestants that don’t also have acetaminophen in them so I took a half dose and would like it to start working any day now because the elephant sitting on my face is getting really old.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:31:33pm

re: #117 Charles Johnson

That’s just maddening. I’ve read excerpts from Clinton’s book in which she VERY CLEARLY accepts most of the blame herself for losing the election. Yes, she says there were other factors that played into it as well, and guess what? There WERE.

Before this election, to be honest I wasn’t a huge fan of Hillary Clinton, but the way she’s been treated by the media throughout the campaign and continuing to this day is absolutely disgusting.

Charles, I am in TOTAL AGREEMENT with you! But the Berniebots I see on Facebook are gleefully sharing this Russian bullshit!

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:32:14pm

re: #61 JordanRules

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How the fuck do so many of these CEO/CFO/C-WhatEverTheFuck run a business and (can claim to) not know a fucking thing about what is going on, yet still keep their job?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:33:22pm

re: #117 Charles Johnson

That’s just maddening. I’ve read excerpts from Clinton’s book in which she VERY CLEARLY accepts most of the blame herself for losing the election. Yes, she says there were other factors that played into it as well, and guess what? There WERE.

Before this election, to be honest I wasn’t a huge fan of Hillary Clinton, but the way she’s been treated by the media throughout the campaign and continuing to this day is absolutely disgusting.

Exactly how I feel too.

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lawhawk  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:35:05pm

Oh, and throw in a bit of misogynistic bullshit too. How dare a woman demand precision and punctuality in dealing with issues?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:35:13pm

re: #119 klys (maker of Silmarils)

How she’s handled all of this makes me like her more, honestly.

After the convention, when I listened to Chelsea talk about her mom, I told my mom that I thought she was a lot like Hillary. Mom was a little taken aback until I explained why, because Mom too has some of the kneejerk reactions (I know all about the “feelings” people have) but maybe it’s because of seeing that comparison that I warmed more to Hillary? Being a woman in a male-dominated field is grueling and yet Hillary’s never lost her compassion or her humanity despite it, and that’s the part that reminded me of my mom.

I think my mom liked her better after that too.

Makes me think of my mom too.

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lawhawk  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:36:44pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:37:29pm

re: #109 Joe Bacon 🌹

You’re not the only one upset, Frank!

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The “better” candidate, that’s not biased at all. You know, I’m going to say it here but Bernie wasn’t a good candidate. And it wasn’t because of his ideas being radical. It’s because Bernie had no real plan just like Trump has no real plan to deal with the adversity that comes with being President. I can’t see Bernie handling North Korea and the host of foreign problems a President has to deal with but I can see Hillary not only handling it but handling it well.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:38:00pm

re: #122 Joe Bacon 🌹

Charles, I am in TOTAL AGREEMENT with you! But the Berniebots I see on Facebook are gleefully sharing this Russian bullshit!

They’re worse than the right wing ones Joe because they should goddamn know better.

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KGxvi  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:38:09pm

I don’t know if anyone pointed this out but I’m not wanting to talk about the cause and effect of the hurricanes, he talked about the effect:

What we need to focus on is access to clean water, addressing these areas of superfund activities that may cause an attack on water, these issues of access to fuel. … Those are things so important to citizens of Florida right now

That’s literally the effects of this storm

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I Would Prefer Not To  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:38:14pm

re: #43 Skip Intro

Jeez, Frank, the next thing you’ll want is for these fine businessmen to go to jail like a common street thug stealing a pack of cigarettes.

Or perhaps put them in a choke hold.

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Skip Intro  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:39:07pm

re: #123 Eventual Carrion

How the fuck do so many of these CEO/CFO/C-WhatEverTheFuck run a business and (can claim to) not know a fucking thing about what is going on, yet still keep their job?

You don’t rise to those positions without knowing how to blame all your fuckups on the people underneath you. In my time at AT&T I watched masters playing that game. One person I worked for was so good she managed to get a $1 million hiring bonus to move to Pac Bell after initiating a process that ultimately blew up in the face of the person who filled her place, then after doing the same thing at Pac Bell was hired back at AT&T will another $1 million bonus.

Absolutely masterful.

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alloutofcrazyhere  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:41:20pm

re: #132 Skip Intro

Sounds like Carly Fiorina.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:41:44pm

re: #127 lawhawk

He wrote a book titled… Draining The Swamp.

LOL

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:41:50pm

re: #129 HappyWarrior

They’re worse than the right wing ones Joe because they should goddamn know better.

Happy, I believe that this pic is more Russian bullshit!

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b.d. (bill d.)  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:42:36pm

re: #127 lawhawk

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Cat 4 Friday afternoon hurricane news dumps are the best news dumps.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:42:38pm

The reason why the media is focusing on Clinton’s criticisms which are correct btw of Bernie is because that’s what gets peoples attention. And this whole “She should take responsbility” stuff. Well you never saw it directed at male candidates and you sure as hell don’t see it directed at Bernie. No, quite the opposite, Bernie becomes a victim in defeat. Hillary becomes that bitch who lost when she should have won. If Bernie’s so fucking perfect and Hillary’s so fucking awful, he would have won but the truth is Bernie doesn’t know and may not even not care that much about how to appeal to racial minorities that comprise a big chunk of the Dem base.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:42:58pm

re: #135 Joe Bacon 🌹

Happy, I believe that this pic is more Russian bullshit!

I believe it too but there are genuine lefties who think that way.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:44:12pm

re: #58 Dr Lizardo

That I hadn’t heard. Holy shit. That’s a major scandal right there. In saner times, there’d probably be Congressional hearings.

If the feds don’t go after them, I willing to bet that several states will. Plus there stock was down 13% today. They are going to lose billions in law suits.

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MsJ  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:46:25pm

re: #87 wheat-dogg

Ostensibly to enable lenders to judge how good a credit risk you are. None of the information (birthdays, CC numbers, account numbers) is redacted, though. I’ve seen the printed reports lenders get from the bureaus. There’s enough there for anyone to steal your identity and your money if that info is available.

I don’t understand why the account numbers can’t be redacted, and why it’s necessary to have a seven- or ten-year record of all the places you’ve lived.

I know what they are for. What I’m saying is that it don’t believe I’ve ever given an outside company permission to have all this information on me. And they were reckless with my personal information. If this was HIPAA they world be in legal trouble. Why is all this personal information, which is far more sensitive than simple medical records, allowed to be collected like this? And yes I suppose that’s rhetorical.

The almost amusing thing is the hit that’s going to be on those same financial institutions who insistented on this. The credit score (that they refused to define how it’s calculated) isn’t enough, they have to have enough information to create an entire identity and proved all the information to never allow any kind of weird driven password again like, oh say, mother’s maiden name.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:47:40pm

Meteorologist on CNN shows size comparison between Andrew and Irma and compares length of time Andrew was over Florida (4 hours?) to Irma (projected ~30).

Yikes

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lawhawk  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:51:35pm

re: #141 Sir John Barron

Yup; that’s one of the consequences of the storm going essentially n/s over Florida rather than E/W across the state.

Andrew bisected Florida from Atlantic coast to Gulf coast, so it didn’t have long over the state. Irma’s taking a path that will basically screw everyone in the state in some fashion, except for a handful in the panhandle.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:54:31pm
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CleverToad  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:55:10pm

re: #119 klys (maker of Silmarils)

How she’s handled all of this makes me like her more, honestly.

Being a woman in a male-dominated field is grueling and yet Hillary’s never lost her compassion or her humanity despite it, and that’s the part that reminded me of my mom.

I think my mom liked her better after that too.

The Moses generation.
That’s what keeps running across my mind, from a decade or so behind them. Hillary, Nancy Pelosi, and so many others. The ones who fought the battles, hammered on the glass ceilings, got a few to crack. The ones still fighting tooth and nail for gains they made in the 70’s and 80’s that are under siege again. Like the civil rights heroes, still on that long and bloody road on another front of the same battle for equality and justice — same damn people, in so many cases. The women you hope will be alive to watch when a younger woman finally steps through the shards into the Oval Office, but knowing they will never cross over to the promised land.

Okay, mixing metaphors here, but I hope that younger woman has the grace to acknowledge that she’s standing on Hillary’s shoulders when she takes that step. I want to live to see it too.

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m0nkeyb0y  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:57:29pm

re: #117 Charles Johnson

You know, I was soft on Hillary, too, but have come to realize that this was due to decades of effective GOP propaganda. It inflames his base of dupes and deplorables, dissuades busy voters, and depresses partisan enthusiasm like mine, all at the same time.

I refuse to grant them such power and now love Hillary, Kerry, and Gore who all bore this unfair burden in my head. I believe that any of them could have equaled my respect and admiration for Obama, given the chance.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 8, 2017 • 1:59:52pm

re: #145 m0nkeyb0y

You know, I was soft on Hillary, too, but have come to realize that this was due to decades of effective GOP propaganda. It inflames his base of dupes and deplorables, dissuades busy voters, and depresses partisan enthusiasm like mine, all at the same time.

I refuse to grant them such power and now love Hillary, Kerry, and Gore who all bore this unfair burden in my head. I believe that any of them could have equaled my respect and admiration for Obama, given the chance.

Yeah I look back on it and think a lot of my conception of Clinton’s character came from being told she was a certain way rather than looking for myself. I still have no regrets about supporting Obama over her in 2008 but I really do see why she has so many admirers and I count myself among them.

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gocart mozart  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:02:59pm

I like Christine Teigen, thinking about asking her out.

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EPR-radar  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:07:00pm

re: #35 Skip Intro

Trump is, and always has been untouchable. I have no idea why, that’s just the way it is. No one else in the history of US politics could have survived his presidential campaign, but he not only survived it but won. Now he has the entire right wing media defending everything he does, even if it means attacking other RWNJ Republicans.

That’s reality. I wish it wasn’t.

I think the Ta-Nehisi Coates essay linked here yesterday explains why tr*mp has been so untouchable. He ran as the candidate of White Resentment, and the stupid shit of his campaign was either neutral or favorable with white revanchists.

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mmmirele  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:10:13pm

re: #78 Dr Lizardo

I’d hate to work for Equifax right now. Seriously - even in the mailroom..

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:12:37pm

I will be supremely pissed if Trump manages to beat all the Russia charges.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:12:58pm

re: #147 gocart mozart

I like Christine Teigen, thinking about asking her out.

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My SiL’s one sister saw her in a restaurant. Said she was friendly.

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BeachDem  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:13:02pm

re: #144 CleverToad

The Moses generation.
That’s what keeps running across my mind, from a decade or so behind them. Hillary, Nancy Pelosi, and so many others. The ones who fought the battles, hammered on the glass ceilings, got a few to crack. The ones still fighting tooth and nail for gains they made in the 70’s and 80’s that are under siege again. Like the civil rights heroes, still on that long and bloody road on another front of the same battle for equality and justice — same damn people, in so many cases. The women you hope will be alive to watch when a younger woman finally steps through the shards into the Oval Office, but knowing they will never cross over to the promised land.

Okay, mixing metaphors here, but I hope that younger woman has the grace to acknowledge that she’s standing on Hillary’s shoulders when she takes that step. I want to live to see it too.

Beautifully put. I also hope I’m around to see it (and damn, there seems to be some dust in the air…)

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HappyWarrior  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:13:18pm

re: #150 Eclectic Cyborg

I will be supremely pissed if Trump manages to beat all the Russia charges.

I will too. Hopefully he doesn’t.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:16:09pm

re: #153 HappyWarrior

I will too. Hopefully he doesn’t.

Even if he does, it looks like he’ll have his entire family and administration shot out from under him.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:18:48pm

re: #145 m0nkeyb0y

You know, I was soft on Hillary, too, but have come to realize that this was due to decades of effective GOP propaganda. It inflames his base of dupes and deplorables, dissuades busy voters, and depresses partisan enthusiasm like mine, all at the same time.

I refuse to grant them such power and now love Hillary, Kerry, and Gore who all bore this unfair burden in my head. I believe that any of them could have equaled my respect and admiration for Obama, given the chance.

I think she genuinely did make some missteps, especially in the 2008 primary - but she learned from them. She took responsibility and made changes and honestly that kind of introspection and growth is fucking hard and a lot of people don’t want to bother. I can respect someone who owns up to that.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:19:11pm
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darthstar  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:19:38pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

That’s the kind of shit that swings elections?

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Birth Control Works  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:20:43pm

How is it now?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:20:46pm

New Jersey Florida Sister says they’ve been advised to stay put for now if they didn’t get a evac. order. But the more time passes, the more spaghetti lines go right over her house in Sarasota. They’re gassed up, got water and their go-bags set. All gassed up, and no place to go.

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wrenchwench  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:20:47pm

re: #157 darthstar

That’s the kind of shit that swings elections?

That, and many other kinds of shit. They work together.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:20:55pm

I have a whole long thing about personal integrity and growth and doing the right thing and whatnot but that rant is probably better saved for when I am coherent. (The Tylenol has brought the elephant down to a small cat but there’s still the muzzy headedness so yeah, today is not very productive.)

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Birth Control Works  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:22:54pm

re: #161 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I have a whole long thing about personal integrity and growth and doing the right thing and whatnot but that rant is probably better saved for when I am coherent. (The Tylenol has brought the elephant down to a small cat but there’s still the muzzy headedness so yeah, today is not very productive.)

((Klys))

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Belafon  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:23:00pm

re: #155 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I think she genuinely did make some missteps, especially in the 2008 primary - but she learned from them. She took responsibility and made changes and honestly that kind of introspection and growth is fucking hard and a lot of people don’t want to bother. I can respect someone who owns up to that.

There was an article not to long ago about who could be the next Doctor Who Doctor, written before they made their choice. It argued that there could never be a female Doctor, because she wouldn’t be allowed to make kinds of mistakes that the Doctor is known for (he actually gets a number of people killed due to his missteps). It’s the pressure Hillary has had to deal with.

As for the new Doctor, I’m hoping they write a good portion of her character acting the same way the men have, making mistakes and soldiering on.

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darthstar  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:23:31pm

re: #160 wrenchwench

That, and many other kinds of shit. They work together.

Sad.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:26:30pm

re: #160 wrenchwench

That, and many other kinds of shit. They work together.

Racists who don’t know they’re racists. Sexists who don’t know they’re sexists. People who evaluate data poorly. People who think their vote is like their virginity - something they want to bestow only on the most worthy, but which turns out to mostly have been only important to themselves.

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Birth Control Works  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:27:43pm

re: #92 Eclectic Cyborg

For what it’s worth, I’ve always hated the credit bureaus.

I used to work for a finance company. Back when some of the transactions we processed were by computer, others the old fashioned way. First job I had in which everyone had a computer terminal on their desk.

We had to memorize all kinds of code to navigate from page to page. I had to run the credit reports, and call to verify some of the results at different institutions.

It was really boring.

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Belafon  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:27:57pm

re: #164 darthstar

Sad.

A number of people here have commented on how they took the stuff put out about Clinton over the past 20+ years at face value, which painted a negative picture of her, up until they looked into her character themselves, and found out she was a completely different person. Now, think about all those people that only get their news through sites like facebook, or places like FOX.

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MsJ  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:28:02pm

Canada, man.

My day today.

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Birth Control Works  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:28:02pm

re: #93 Kragar

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It’s ok, Trump is going to take care of everything.

/gah

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retired cynic  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:28:51pm

re: #168 MsJ

AMEN!

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Birth Control Works  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:29:04pm

re: #110 Kragar

Star Trek Enterprise, with how the Mirror Universe started

Terra

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:29:12pm

re: #167 Belafon

A number of people here have commented on how they took the stuff put out about Clinton over the past 20+ years at face value, which painted a negative picture of her, up until they looked into her character themselves, and found out she was a completely different person. Now, think about all those people that only get their news through sites like facebook, or places like FOX.

And when they see it from people who should know better, being politically interested and all…

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Birth Control Works  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:29:25pm

re: #112 Kragar

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harry mudd, the grifter with tribbles.

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wrenchwench  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:29:30pm

re: #165 Blind Frog Belly White

Racists who don’t know they’re racists. Sexists who don’t know they’re sexists. People who evaluate data poorly. People who think their vote is like their virginity - something they want to bestow only on the most worthy, but which turns out to mostly have been only important to themselves.

That last one is sad. The rest of it makes me so mad, I could say something I’ll regret. But I’ll save it for another day.

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nines09  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:30:29pm

Hillary Clinton got fucked 16 ways to Sunday. I heard every criticism, fear and lie about her. Rush made a career and millions of dollars smearing her. The media, press and news and cable news all failed. failed miserably. If Hillary was guilty of anything it was her cocksure attitude that she was right. And most times she was. I think the word used in these situations is “uppity”. Couldn’t lay a glove on her. GOP spent our tax dollars and didn’t find anything. All the BS the RWNJ Christian butt fucks talk about standing by your man? Pure shit. She did. And what happened? Right. Bernie. Russia. Jill. Fucked up media. Fucked up facebook. Fucked up Twitter. Fucked us up.
It came down to her saying coal and guns and oil and drilling bad.
The stiffs in line at WalMart heard that.
The nation had a choice, and the degree of filth and subterfuge and outright fix was able to once again scuttle someone who deserves much better.
The nation had a choice. A grifting con man who bleeds people. Shits on people. Has no scruples or class, and I’ll bet not much money.
Or a woman who was held to standards a fucking Pope would have trouble with.
She drank Chardonnay. OH MY.
Trump grabbed pussy.
Guys, ya know?
Fuck the GOP and fuck Bernie.
Dinner calls.
Stay dry.

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TedStriker  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:34:37pm

re: #175 nines09

Hillary Clinton got fucked 16 ways to Sunday. I heard every criticism, fear and lie about her. Rush made a career and millions of dollars smearing her. The media, press and news and cable news all failed. failed miserably. If Hillary was guilty of anything it was her cocksure attitude that she was right. And most times she was. I think the word used in these situations is “uppity”. Couldn’t lay a glove on her. GOP spent our tax dollars and didn’t find anything. All the BS the RWNJ Christian butt fucks talk about standing by your man? Pure shit. She did. And what happened? Right. Bernie. Russia. Jill. Fucked up media. Fucked up facebook. Fucked up Twitter. Fucked us up.
It came down to her saying coal and guns and oil and drilling bad.
The stiffs in line at WalMart heard that.
The nation had a choice, and the degree of filth and subterfuge and outright fix was able to once again scuttle someone who deserves much better.
The nation had a choice. A grifting con man who bleeds people. Shits on people. Has no scruples or class, and I’ll bet not much money.
Or a woman who was held to standards a fucking Pope would have trouble with.
She drank Chardonnay. OH MY.
Trump grabbed pussy.
Guys, ya know?
Fuck the GOP and fuck Bernie.
Dinner calls.
Stay dry.

I felt the righteous anger as I read this…and it’s all true.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:34:47pm

re: #140 MsJ

I know what they are for. What I’m saying is that it don’t believe I’ve ever given an outside company permission to have all this information on me. And they were reckless with my personal information. If this was HIPAA they world be in legal trouble. Why is all this personal information, which is far more sensitive than simple medical records, allowed to be collected like this? And yes I suppose that’s rhetorical.

The almost amusing thing is the hit that’s going to be on those same financial institutions who insistented on this. The credit score (that they refused to define how it’s calculated) isn’t enough, they have to have enough information to create an entire identity and proved all the information to never allow any kind of weird driven password again like, oh say, mother’s maiden name.

TBH, the entire credit reporting system is outmoded, and I would also suggest deliberately discriminatory against POC and the “lower classes.” For example, a person may have moved several times to chase employment opportunities, or to escape an abusive situation. Payments may have fallen behind because of protracted illness or a sudden layoff. The credit rating is obtained with some kind of arcane set of measurements, and only recently has it become possible to see your score at any time without damaging it.

Centralizing that kind of personal information in one place (or three, FTM) was a disaster waiting to happen.

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nines09  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:35:40pm

re: #176 TedStriker

And I couldn’t even fit it all in. Total hit job. FOR DECADES.
And she has a book out now. Watch this shit flinging monkey house show.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:35:58pm

Let’s face it - for 25 years, it’s been the one completely safe attitude on both the Left and the Right to hate Hillary Clinton.

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Birth Control Works  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:36:29pm

It’s Friday. I pay bills on Fridays.

After 40 some years paying my own bills, I still get a sense of satisfaction when I do.

Grateful I am able to do so.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:37:12pm

re: #149 mmmirele

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Birth Control Works  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:37:28pm

re: #179 Blind Frog Belly White

Let’s face it - for 25 years, it’s been the one completely safe attitude on both the Left and the Right to hate Hillary Clinton.

It’s a given that everyone resents their mother on some level at some time in their lives.

That’s one reason patriarchy persists.

freudian and true

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ObserverArt  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:37:52pm

re: #117 Charles Johnson

That’s just maddening. I’ve read excerpts from Clinton’s book in which she VERY CLEARLY accepts most of the blame herself for losing the election. Yes, she says there were other factors that played into it as well, and guess what? There WERE.

Before this election, to be honest I wasn’t a huge fan of Hillary Clinton, but the way she’s been treated by the media throughout the campaign and continuing to this day is absolutely disgusting.

Hint: She has been treated that was since I’d say around 1992. Maybe you accepted it in your past life, but it has not changed.

People gave her shit when she said “It was a vast right wing conspiracy” back then. She was right then, she is still right now.

I guess she just wasn’t perfect.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:39:00pm

re: #180 Birth Control Works

It’s Friday. I pay bills on Fridays.

After 40 some years paying my own bills, I still get a sense of satisfaction when I do.

Grateful I am able to do so.

Wow! Can you pay mine? It would give you even more satisfaction, I bet.

//

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Birth Control Works  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:39:22pm

re: #167 Belafon

A number of people here have commented on how they took the stuff put out about Clinton over the past 20+ years at face value, which painted a negative picture of her, up until they looked into her character themselves, and found out she was a completely different person. Now, think about all those people that only get their news through sites like facebook, or places like FOX.

WHen Bill OReilly interviewed her after 2008, even hubby liked her.

I tried to find the interview (I remember) during the election on youtube. Couldn’t.

She had one like “What happens in law school stays in law school” as a witty response to O’Reilly.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:39:46pm

re: #157 darthstar

That’s the kind of shit that swings elections?

Family Guy - Undecided Voters

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Birth Control Works  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:41:28pm

re: #177 wheat-dogg

I learned while working in the finance industry, that a credit rating is meaningless.

Truly, it’s a tool of the industry, not Santa’s list.

As long as we continue to buy into the idea that people can be measured in dollars and cents, it will continue to be.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:41:49pm
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mmmirele  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:41:52pm

I’d note that it’s not just the three credit reporting bureaus that have lots of financial information on you. So does Fair Isaac, the guys who sell the FICO score.

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ObserverArt  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:42:28pm

re: #127 lawhawk

awhawk @lawhawk
What took them so long? Preparing the golden parachute? Yup: “… Eric Bolling and Fox have agreed to part ways amicably,” the network said”
4:36 PM - Sep 8, 2017

I’m going with another video…

Queen - Another One Bites the Dust (Official Video)

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:42:57pm

Now we’re going to spend a week hearing how this is a “Trump legislative victory”.
It’s dogdamn basic housekeeping.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:42:58pm
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Belafon  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:43:23pm

re: #186 GlutenFreeJesus

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If you look at the still image, it looks like the Hulu subtitle is what the guy is saying. I laugh when I see that.

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Belafon  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:44:32pm

re: #191 FormerDirtDart

Now we’re going to spend a week hearing how this is a “Trump legislative victory”.
It’s dogdamn basic housekeeping.

Snicker to yourself at how he thinks he played Republicans and Democrats but got played by Pelosi and Schumer.

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Birth Control Works  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:44:45pm

Fossa Pup Explores Its New Home at San Diego Zoo

It’s really cute, I think I want one.

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fern01  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:45:54pm

re: #8 Eclectic Cyborg

A mandatory evacuation order without the government providing flights, vehicles, gas along the land route is simply a way of blaming people for remaining in the face of the storm. Allows the powers that be to say “we told you to get out”. The locals in Huston were so much more honest - it was impossible to evacuate the city.

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Birth Control Works  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:45:59pm

The earthquake in Mexico is really scary too.

It’s been a bad month for those just above the equator.

Really bad month.

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Birth Control Works  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:46:54pm

I need something to binge watch.

I’ve gotten thru Dark Matter and 12 Monkeys.

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TedStriker  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:47:06pm

re: #177 wheat-dogg

TBH, the entire credit reporting system is outmoded, and I would also suggest deliberately discriminatory against POC and the “lower classes.” For example, a person may have moved several times to chase employment opportunities, or to escape an abusive situation. Payments may have fallen behind because of protracted illness or a sudden layoff. The credit rating is obtained with some kind of arcane set of measurements, and only recently has it become possible to see your score at any time without damaging it.

Centralizing that kind of personal information in one place (or three, FTM) was a disaster waiting to happen.

Most of here are old enough to remember the time before the wide consumer availability of one’s credit report and scores, before the federal government’s annualcreditreport.com was available to get your credit reports from all three bureaus once a year for free.

Back in those days, having your credit report pulled could (and would, if done too often) negatively affect your credit score. Want to see your FICO? Unless you somehow got the chance to see the report someone pulled when you were applying for credit (car loan, etc.), it was extremely difficult for a consumer to get directly and, even if you did, it was like reading Greek, because it was meant for banks, not for laymen.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:47:09pm

re: #194 Belafon

Snicker to yourself at how he thinks he played Republicans and Democrats but got played by Pelosi and Schumer.

Truly a consummate deal-maker.

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Birth Control Works  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:47:38pm

re: #189 mmmirele

I’d note that it’s not just the three credit reporting bureaus that have lots of financial information on you. So does Fair Isaac, the guys who sell the FICO score.

Anyone can put a note on your credit report.

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Amory Blaine  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:47:45pm

People are putting random numbers into the Equifax site and its spitting out messages. So who knows if the ID is accurate.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:48:16pm

re: #195 Birth Control Works

Fossa Pup Explores Its New Home at San Diego Zoo

It’s really cute, I think I want one.

Like the love child of a cougar and a mongoose.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:48:17pm

re: #198 Birth Control Works

I need something to binge watch.

I’ve gotten thru Dark Matter and 12 Monkeys.

Have you tried The Expanse yet?

I’m sad Dark Matter was canceled. It had a lot going for it.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:49:02pm

re: #202 Amory Blaine

People are putting random numbers into the Equifax site and its spitting out messages. So who knows if the ID is accurate.

Or secure, ftm

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Birth Control Works  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:50:13pm

re: #199 TedStriker

Most of here are old enough to remember the time before the wide consumer availability of one’s credit report and scores, before the federal government’s annualcreditreport.com was available to get your credit reports from all three bureaus once a year for free.

Back in those days, having your credit report pulled could (and ofter did) negatively affect your credit score. Want to see your FICO? Unless you somehow got the chance to see the report someone pulled when you were applying for credit (car loan, etc.), it was extremely difficult for a consumer to get directly and, even if you did, it was like reading Greek, because it was meant for banks, not for laymen.

And it was inaccurate. All kinds of duplicate, incomplete and ancient data was included.
That’s why a whole bullpen of low level employees had to call to verify information the credit buyer needed. I had a rolodex full of numbers for banks and major employers all over the country. It was crazy.

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nines09  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:50:48pm

Wifey in traffic, slight delay.
Was this posted?
Smokey Bear was one of my childhood heros. I was in the concrete jungle and Smokey was out There.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:51:11pm

In the continuing saga of “trying to be America’s next worst sheriff,” Polk County is digging in:

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Birth Control Works  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:51:15pm

re: #204 wheat-dogg

Have you tried The Expanse yet?

I’m sad Dark Matter was canceled. It had a lot going for it.

got thru first season of Expanse. Waiting for the second to be free.

Yes, I enjoyed Dark Matter. I’m still mourning the loss of Firefly and Torchwood.

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TedStriker  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:52:14pm

re: #208 klys (maker of Silmarils)

In the continuing saga of “trying to be America’s next worst sheriff,” Polk County is digging in:

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ObserverArt  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:52:22pm

re: #158 Birth Control Works

How is it now?

Still Crazy After All These Years.

Paul Simon - Still Crazy After All These Years (Audio)

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EPR-radar  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:52:35pm

re: #188 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Maybe I’m just getting too old and set in my ways, but what is with the hairdo on that kid in the center?

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Birth Control Works  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:52:40pm

re: #203 Blind Frog Belly White

Like the love child of a cougar and a mongoose.

I know!!!! and it’s a feline, if I read the Wiki correctly.

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Birth Control Works  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:53:35pm

dogs wanna eat.

bbl

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ObserverArt  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:54:26pm

re: #168 MsJ

Canada, man.

My day today.

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What happened???

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nines09  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:55:08pm

re: #212 EPR-radar

Guts? //?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:55:26pm

re: #212 EPR-radar

Maybe I’m just getting too old and set in my ways, but what is with the hairdo on that kid in the center?

You’re asking me to explain high school male fashion choices?

I have no idea.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:55:51pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:56:35pm

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MsJ  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:57:33pm

re: #204 wheat-dogg

Have you tried The Expanse yet?

I’m sad Dark Matter was canceled. It had a lot going for it.

I didn’t know Dark Matter was cancelled. That was one of my favorite shows! I hope someone else picks it up.

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Jay C  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:58:15pm

re: #191 FormerDirtDart

Now we’re going to spend a week hearing how this is a “Trump legislative victory”.
It’s dogdamn basic housekeeping.

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Yeah, the hurricane-relief part is, and probably what the WH is most likely to want to highlight. That it was successfully pinned to a advantageous (to Democrats, but never mind for now) debt-ceiling agreement is just gravy. For Trump that is, inasmuch as it will generate a good deal of positive press (utterly undeserved, IMO, but I’m not the “MSM”): at least in the short term: i.e. until the next major fuckup….

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MsJ  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:59:45pm

re: #215 ObserverArt

What happened???

I tripped over a dog and tore up my knee.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 8, 2017 • 2:59:59pm

re: #213 Birth Control Works

I know!!!! and it’s a feline, if I read the Wiki correctly.

Feline-ish. Based on DNA sequence homology, most closely related to Mongooses. Mongeese. Which are actually not Mustelids, which surprised me.

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JordanRules  Sep 8, 2017 • 3:00:35pm

re: #212 EPR-radar

The Brian Setzer-ish look with the shaved sides? Meh, what’s old is new and remixed.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 8, 2017 • 3:01:32pm

So on the topic of the thread, I read a humorous - if sadly accurate - comment that reflects the attitude shown in this post:

A: So when can we talk about climate change?
B: Shortly after we can talk about gun control.

Evening Lizardim.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 8, 2017 • 3:02:51pm
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ObserverArt  Sep 8, 2017 • 3:02:54pm

re: #175 nines09

It came down to her saying coal and guns and oil and drilling bad.

And most of the media never covered the other part of that comment. That would be about her desire to get new tech into the coal mining country along with education, etc. to help them get past the past.

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JordanRules  Sep 8, 2017 • 3:03:48pm
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Decatur Deb  Sep 8, 2017 • 3:04:15pm

Maybe I’m just getting too old and set in my ways, but what is with the hairdo on that kid in the center?

Teenage fashion has one function: to piss off the Parental Units. I did it, they did it, their kids are working my revenge.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 8, 2017 • 3:04:18pm

mohr shiitakes today (got to them before they got to huge pancake size):

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nines09  Sep 8, 2017 • 3:04:33pm

re: #207 nines09

Why did Smokey Bear never have children?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 8, 2017 • 3:06:47pm

re: #225 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

So on the topic of the thread, I read a humorous - if sadly accurate - comment that reflects the attitude shown in this post:

Evening Lizardim.

Three weeks ago: “It’s not as hot as it usually is at this time of year, in a small part of America, which is a small part of the world. Climate Change is a hoax!”

Two weeks ago: “It’s too soon, with Harvey bearing down on Houston, to talk about Climate Change!”

Last week: “It’s too soon, with people still recovering from Harvey, to talk about Climate Change!”

This week: “It’s too soon, with Irma setting up to roll up Florida, to talk about Climate Change!”

Next week: “It’s too soon, with people still recovering from Irma, to talk about Climate Change!”

The Week After: “It’s unseasonably cold somewhere. Climate Change is a hoax!”

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TedStriker  Sep 8, 2017 • 3:07:05pm

re: #231 nines09

Why did Smokey Bear never have children?

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wheat-dogg  Sep 8, 2017 • 3:07:08pm

re: #206 Birth Control Works

And it was inaccurate. All kinds of duplicate, incomplete and ancient data was included.
That’s why a whole bullpen of low level employees had to call to verify information the credit buyer needed. I had a rolodex full of numbers for banks and major employers all over the country. It was crazy.

Until I had them correct it, the bureaus had my name and my father’s name and accounts on my reports.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 8, 2017 • 3:07:14pm

re: #226 Charles Johnson

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Are all the guys at Faux News creepers?

Wait, don’t answer that. We all know it’s true.

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ObserverArt  Sep 8, 2017 • 3:07:21pm

re: #194 Belafon

Snicker to yourself at how he thinks he played Republicans and Democrats but got played by Pelosi and Schumer.

I don’t know all the details, but I bet blowing some smoke up the ol’ Trump ego had something to do with their success.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 8, 2017 • 3:08:57pm

re: #226 Charles Johnson

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Golly! What a surprise!
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nines09  Sep 8, 2017 • 3:09:00pm

re: #227 ObserverArt

Major fail on so many levels. Major hit job. On a woman. To cheers.

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Sep 8, 2017 • 3:09:19pm

re: #206 Birth Control Works

I once went to buy a car, just after getting divorced. My sister (whose SSN is 3 digits different than mine, whose name is one letter different than mine, and neither of us have middle names or changed our names when we got married) was with me. I was told my credit history was “too thin” to buy a car on my own, so my sister volunteered to co-sign for me.

When they ran her credit and mine, we found that my student loan was on HER credit report, her bankruptcy was on MY credit report, and each of us was listed as an alias on the other’s report.

So I’ve known for at least 20 years that the shit on credit reports is not always accurate.

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SteelPH  Sep 8, 2017 • 3:10:01pm

re: #235 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Are all the guys at Faux News creepers?

Wait, don’t answer that. We all know it’s true.

Wonder what skeletons are in Lumpy’s closet.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 8, 2017 • 3:10:31pm

re: #209 Birth Control Works

got thru first season of Expanse. Waiting for the second to be free.

Yes, I enjoyed Dark Matter. I’m still mourning the loss of Firefly and Torchwood.

How are you with detective shows? I’ve enjoyed Longmire a lot, partly for its setting in a fictional town of Wyoming near an Indian res. The acting is pretty good, too.

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JordanRules  Sep 8, 2017 • 3:11:27pm

Both parties are equally bad!! ////

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 8, 2017 • 3:11:49pm

re: #240 SteelPH

Wonder what skeletons are in Lumpy’s closet.

Eeeewwwww. Doesn’t bear thinking about.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 8, 2017 • 3:12:54pm

re: #220 MsJ

I didn’t know Dark Matter was cancelled. That was one of my favorite shows! I hope someone else picks it up.

There’s a change.org petition campaign going on. If I were a programming exec at Amazon, Netflix or Hulu, I’d snap it up in a jiffy. It’s got an established fanbase and a cliffhanger to resolve.

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ObserverArt  Sep 8, 2017 • 3:13:14pm

re: #222 MsJ

I tripped over a dog and tore up my knee.

Awww. Will rest take care of it, or are you gonna have to get some arthroscopy done on it?

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 8, 2017 • 3:13:59pm

re: #231 nines09

Why did Smokey Bear never have children?

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TedStriker  Sep 8, 2017 • 3:14:26pm

re: #240 SteelPH

Wonder what skeletons are in Lumpy’s closet.

re: #243 Blind Frog Belly White

Eeeewwwww. Doesn’t bear thinking about.

Wouldn’t surprise me if Hannity had been fucking Ailes on the down low.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 8, 2017 • 3:15:41pm

OK, the dogs aren’t going to walk themselves…

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SteelPH  Sep 8, 2017 • 3:16:02pm

re: #248 FormerDirtDart

OK, the dogs aren’t going to walk themselves…

They would if they could.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 8, 2017 • 3:16:05pm

re: #243 Blind Frog Belly White

Eeeewwwww. Doesn’t bear thinking about.

Yeeeeeah, it’s probably best not to imagine things at dinnertime.

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ObserverArt  Sep 8, 2017 • 3:16:08pm

re: #232 Blind Frog Belly White

Three weeks ago: “It’s not as hot as it usually is at this time of year, in a small part of America, which is a small part of the world. Climate Change is a hoax!”

Two weeks ago: “It’s too soon, with Harvey bearing down on Houston, to talk about Climate Change!”

Last week: “It’s too soon, with people still recovering from Harvey, to talk about Climate Change!”

This week: “It’s too soon, with Irma setting up to roll up Florida, to talk about Climate Change!”

Next week: “It’s too soon, with people still recovering from Irma, to talk about Climate Change!”

The Week After: “It’s unseasonably cold somewhere. Climate Change is a hoax!”

Wanna see my snowball? What warming?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 8, 2017 • 3:17:07pm

re: #232 Blind Frog Belly White

Three weeks ago: “It’s not as hot as it usually is at this time of year, in a small part of America, which is a small part of the world. Climate Change is a hoax!”

Two weeks ago: “It’s too soon, with Harvey bearing down on Houston, to talk about Climate Change!”

Last week: “It’s too soon, with people still recovering from Harvey, to talk about Climate Change!”

This week: “It’s too soon, with Irma setting up to roll up Florida, to talk about Climate Change!”

Next week: “It’s too soon, with people still recovering from Irma, to talk about Climate Change!”

The Week After: “It’s unseasonably cold somewhere. Climate Change is a hoax!”

Jose may extend that timeline by a week, if it decides to swing by for landfall.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 8, 2017 • 3:17:43pm

Current pet peeve: people who retweet every tweet in a thread.

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ObserverArt  Sep 8, 2017 • 3:18:17pm

re: #240 SteelPH

Wonder what skeletons are in Lumpy’s closet.

I think Lumpy has actual monsters in his.

Skeletons are dead and in the past.

Monsters are still active.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 8, 2017 • 3:19:37pm

re: #253 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Current pet peeve: people who retweet every tweet in a thread.

One of the websites/blogs I read has a particularly annoying breed of troll that copies and pastes other peoples’ comments in a vain attempt to get updings by having those comments at the top of the thread. Like, really? Who does that?

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JordanRules  Sep 8, 2017 • 3:21:59pm

Anyone wanna guess how many days or hours he has left?

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TedStriker  Sep 8, 2017 • 3:23:42pm

re: #256 JordanRules

Anyone wanna guess how many days or hours he has left?

DEAD MAN WALKING!

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makeitstop  Sep 8, 2017 • 3:23:47pm

re: #202 Amory Blaine

People are putting random numbers into the Equifax site and its spitting out messages. So who knows if the ID is accurate.

Up to 143 million people were affected.

Safe bet that even people putting in random numbers had their shit compromised.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 8, 2017 • 3:24:07pm
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Birth Control Works  Sep 8, 2017 • 3:24:57pm

re: #212 EPR-radar

Maybe I’m just getting too old and set in my ways, but what is with the hairdo on that kid in the center?

Picture the same cut on a black kid.

White kids are always a few years behind.

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Birth Control Works  Sep 8, 2017 • 3:26:57pm

re: #234 wheat-dogg

Until I had them correct it, the bureaus had my name and my father’s name and accounts on my reports.

If a man was a junior or a second or third it could get really confused.

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ObserverArt  Sep 8, 2017 • 3:27:15pm

re: #256 JordanRules

Anyone wanna guess how many days or hours he has left?

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Our President is an Asshole Brat.

Really, won’t make eye contact with someone on your staff because they said they were not pleased with your BS dance about Charlottesville.

There are 11 year olds that have outgrown that tactic.

I’d say grow up, but at 71 there is no a chance. If anything he will grow worse.

And now it is time to warm up the amps…later!

Stay safe Florida!

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Birth Control Works  Sep 8, 2017 • 3:28:00pm

re: #241 wheat-dogg

How are you with detective shows? I’ve enjoyed Longmire a lot, partly for its setting in a fictional town of Wyoming near an Indian res. The acting is pretty good, too.

hmmm, don’t remember that - thx!

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 8, 2017 • 3:28:14pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

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So Facebook was cool with Russian propaganda. Good to know. I’m looking forward to a day when Twitter and Facebook have competition.

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JordanRules  Sep 8, 2017 • 3:29:12pm
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wheat-dogg  Sep 8, 2017 • 3:29:48pm

re: #261 Birth Control Works

If a man was a junior or a second or third it could get really confused.

Our middle names are different. Hence the opportunity for confusion. But at the time, my dad was already dead for ten years, and I’m pretty sure the afterlife does not accept credit cards.

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Birth Control Works  Sep 8, 2017 • 3:31:17pm

re: #244 wheat-dogg

There’s a change.org petition campaign going on. If I were a programming exec at Amazon, Netflix or Hulu, I’d snap it up in a jiffy. It’s got an established fanbase and a cliffhanger to resolve.

thx, just signed and shared, they are almost at their goal.

People in Canada is producing some really good shows.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 8, 2017 • 3:31:20pm

re: #20 Skip Intro

After 10,000 criminal actions this is the one that will bring him down.

In your dreams.

Sadly, we have said “this is it” several times over the last couple of months and Trump keeps on rolling. Until Mueller makes a move, we’re stuck with Trump.

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Birth Control Works  Sep 8, 2017 • 3:31:57pm

re: #247 TedStriker

Wouldn’t surprise me if Hannity had been fucking Ailes on the down low.

Yeah, Hannity is too BOMC for me.

something hinky there.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 8, 2017 • 3:32:13pm

re: #263 Birth Control Works

hmmm, don’t remember that - thx!

You got five seasons to catch up on. Should keep you busy for a while.

It does a good job of capturing life in a small Wyoming town pretty well, complete with eccentric residents and animosity between Natives and the whites.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 8, 2017 • 3:32:22pm

re: #265 JordanRules

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Good to hear and yes regulation can and does save lives.

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Birth Control Works  Sep 8, 2017 • 3:33:55pm

re: #270 wheat-dogg

You got five seasons to catch up on. Should keep you busy for a while.

It does a good job of capturing life in a small Wyoming town pretty well, complete with eccentric residents and animosity between Natives and the whites.

hmm, I really want scifi. but a good mystery will do.

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Birth Control Works  Sep 8, 2017 • 3:36:00pm

Which god on twitter is THE god to follow?

:) -seriously.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 8, 2017 • 3:37:03pm

re: #256 JordanRules

Anyone wanna guess how many days or hours he has left?

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I have zero sympathy for Kahn. He should have quit at the same time he criticized Trump’s comments about Charlottesville. Instead, he’s now being embarrassed in the public eye. Tough. That’s what happens when you cavort with bigots.

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Birth Control Works  Sep 8, 2017 • 3:37:24pm

re: #255 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

One of the websites/blogs I read has a particularly annoying breed of troll that copies and pastes other peoples’ comments in a vain attempt to get updings by having those comments at the top of the thread. Like, really? Who does that?

People who need a different hobby?

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MsJ  Sep 8, 2017 • 3:37:35pm

re: #245 ObserverArt

Awww. Will rest take care of it, or are you gonna have to get some arthroscopy done on it?

Right now just drugs and physio. And the hope that that will resolve this mess I’m in.

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TedStriker  Sep 8, 2017 • 3:38:20pm

re: #273 Birth Control Works

Which god on twitter is THE god to follow?

:) -seriously.

What does God need with a starship Twitter account?

///

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Birth Control Works  Sep 8, 2017 • 3:40:35pm

I was able to cull the english books from a friend’s library that is moving to another country and english is his 3rd? language.

Anyway, I got six big moving boxes of books — I’ve nearly completed going thru them and valuing them. I love books.

Most are first editions with good dust jackets, but are newer. A lot on WWII — and American history. And W Somerset Maughm. I never read him.

I’m on my third book now —Newton’s Gift. Very well written, and I think I might actually understand the basic math (calculus really) the author explains.

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Birth Control Works  Sep 8, 2017 • 3:40:56pm

re: #277 TedStriker

What does God need with a starship Twitter account?

///

He got tired of Ski-ball.

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fern01  Sep 8, 2017 • 3:41:50pm

re: #125 lawhawk

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Oh, and throw in a bit of misogynistic bullshit too. How dare a woman demand precision and punctuality in dealing with issues?

Yep - if she was a man the attention to detail & punctuality would be applauded. In politics it is well and truly “a man’s world”

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Charles Johnson  Sep 8, 2017 • 3:42:52pm
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Birth Control Works  Sep 8, 2017 • 3:43:09pm

re: #280 fern01

Yep - if she was a man the attention to detail & punctuality would be applauded. In politics, it is well and truly “a man’s world”

“In-front-of-the-scenes” politics has traditionally been a man’s world.

Women mastered the behind-the-scene political world more than a millennium ago.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 8, 2017 • 3:44:31pm

re: #59 makeitstop

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Schneiderman is such a great guy. Hope he runs for NY Governor one day.

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Cheechako  Sep 8, 2017 • 3:47:18pm

re: #281 Charles Johnson

I wonder who snuck those profile shots into the video.

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JordanRules  Sep 8, 2017 • 3:49:15pm

From The Guardian’s hurricane liveblog:

The Antigua and Barbuda Met Office has warned that Jose - now a category four hurricane, with wind speeds of 150mph (240kph) - could make its presence felt in the northern Leeward Islands as early as midnight.

It’s currently approaching 7pm local time.

Residents of Barbuda - the tiny island left desolate by Irma just days ago - are being evacuated to the larger sister island of Antigua, which suffered less damage.

By 8am Saturday, Antigua News Room reports, “we could be looking at Irma-type winds”. Flooding is also expected.

Shelters have opened in Antigua for those seeking refuge - again.

theguardian.com

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wrenchwench  Sep 8, 2017 • 3:49:26pm

Latest customer; a guy who used to come visit his bike while he was waiting for me to get around to fixing it for him. He got it back about 2 years ago, brought it in today with a flat tire, thinking it needed some more sealer, but it needed a tube. And a light, and a lock (both installed on the bike.) He calls all the women ‘mija’, because they’re all younger than he is, and he loves his daughters so much, ‘mija’ is his highest compliment. Mr. w and I have taken to calling him ‘the mija guy’.

His lock came with 5 keys. He asked why, and I said, ‘So you can lose four.’ I told him he could leave one with me, so when he loses four, he knows where the fifth one is. I will now add it to my collection. Nobody has ever come to claim one. Yet.

And he got his bike back today.

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Birth Control Works  Sep 8, 2017 • 3:52:20pm

bbl

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 8, 2017 • 3:53:52pm
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Birth Control Works  Sep 8, 2017 • 3:56:55pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 8, 2017 • 4:00:16pm

re: #289 Birth Control Works

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That can’t be true. If you’re uncomfortable, it’s probably that other person’s fault.
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Birth Control Works  Sep 8, 2017 • 4:00:20pm
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fern01  Sep 8, 2017 • 4:01:50pm

re: #188 klys (maker of Silmarils)

@BarackObama made a surprise visit to McKinley Tech HS here in DC to welcome back students as they start a new school year.

tRump can only dream about folks having such a reaction when he appears. President Obama trolls without even trying.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 8, 2017 • 4:02:25pm

re: #291 Birth Control Works

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“Better that 10 rapists go free than one woman feel safe!”
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Grrrrrrrr……

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Birth Control Works  Sep 8, 2017 • 4:04:34pm

Please help us out —vote every day for Mutual Ground, the Domestic Violence Shelter and Sexual Assault Center at which I volunteer:

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MsJ  Sep 8, 2017 • 4:07:01pm
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Charles Johnson  Sep 8, 2017 • 4:08:28pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 8, 2017 • 4:09:41pm

re: #296 Charles Johnson

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That’s the FNC model.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 8, 2017 • 4:10:15pm

re: #296 Charles Johnson

I can’t get too happy about Eric Bolling leaving Fox, because they’ll just replace him with someone equally disgusting or worse.

And he’ll go on to worse at some lower circle of wingnut hell.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 8, 2017 • 4:12:46pm

re: #295 MsJ

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Signed. Hopefully Congress will give a darn about this matter since it impacts hundreds of millions of Americans and do something to hold Equifax accountable.

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gocart mozart  Sep 8, 2017 • 4:13:36pm

re: #230 Backwoods_Sleuth

mohr shiitakes today

I’m fucking so sick and tired of shit takes! Enough with the fucking shit takes already!!! Wait …what?

Nevermind - Emily Litella

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MsJ  Sep 8, 2017 • 4:14:05pm

re: #299 Patricia Kayden

Signed. Hopefully Congress will give a darn about this matter since it impacts hundreds of millions of Americans and do something to hold Equifax accountable.

As per usual, Democrats will, Republicans won’t. Like clockwork (orange).

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Skip Intro  Sep 8, 2017 • 4:15:17pm

re: #269 Birth Control Works

Yeah, Hannity is too BOMC for me.

something hinky there.

I think Hannity was Ailes’ gimp.

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Interesting Times  Sep 8, 2017 • 4:21:02pm

re: #269 Birth Control Works

Yeah, Hannity is too BOMC for me.

What does that stand for in this context? Never seen it before.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 8, 2017 • 4:22:00pm
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Birth Control Works  Sep 8, 2017 • 4:22:03pm

re: #302 Skip Intro

I think Hannity was Ailes’ gimp.

VOCABULARY WORD OF THE DAY (from the Urban Dictionary)

gimp bitch
Remember the gimp from pulp fiction? Not a desireable character to be. Neither is a wus, especially if you’re male. This is the combo of the two, and thus creating a super brand of male bitch.

Can also be used to describe a total yes-man in any line of work. Do you agree?…yes sir. Get me coffee…yes sir. Make some copies….Yes sir. Finish those TPS reports…Yes sir. Put on some leather and get in a this box….yes sir.

You let the boss take advantage of you again? You’re his gimp bitch aren’t you? Bet you’d be more comfortable with a bright orange ball in your mouth.

#bitch#pussy#sissy#gimp#wus#tool#wimp#anti-stud#anti-man#fee-man#puss-boy

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retired cynic  Sep 8, 2017 • 4:23:05pm

re: #303 Interesting Times

What does that stand for in this context? Never seen it before.

It used to be Big Man On Campus. Subtext: a dick. But that is a 50 year old definition!

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Birth Control Works  Sep 8, 2017 • 4:23:52pm

re: #303 Interesting Times

What does that stand for in this context? Never seen it before.

BIG MAN ON CAMPUS

Think “the Gipper” or any 1940’s-50’s star football player with great grades — loved by women admired by men.

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Birth Control Works  Sep 8, 2017 • 4:24:37pm

re: #307 retired cynic

It used to be Big Man On Campus. Subtext: a dick. But that is a 50 year old definition!

Like Hannity —a decade or 5 behind the times.

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Birth Control Works  Sep 8, 2017 • 4:25:06pm

bbl , for real.

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Interesting Times  Sep 8, 2017 • 4:25:55pm

re: #308 Birth Control Works

BIG MAN ON CAMPUS

Ah, okay, I got tripped up the typo (i.e. instead of “BMOC”, your comment said “BOMC - and I was all, what? “Book of the Month Club”? “Burnt Orange Media Conspiracy”?? Or another one on Urban Dictionary that I…really, really don’t want to picture hannity and ailes engaged in o_O )

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 8, 2017 • 4:26:55pm

re: #307 retired cynic

It used to be Big Man On Campus. Subtext: a dick. But that is a 50 year old definition!

Well, he’s a 55 year old guy….

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retired cynic  Sep 8, 2017 • 4:27:14pm

re: #311 Interesting Times

Ah, okay, I got tripped up the typo (i.e. instead of “BMOC”, your comment said “BOMC - and I was all, what? “Book of the Month Club”? “Burnt Orange Media Conspiracy”?? Or another one on Urban Dictionary that I…really, really don’t want to picture hannity and ailes engaged in o_O )

Gosh, now that you say that, I just straightened out the typo? in my head, and now I don’t know!

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Sep 8, 2017 • 4:32:16pm

re: #303 Interesting Times

What does that stand for in this context? Never seen it before.

Duck Dynasty kingpin Phil Robertson at LA Tech in the 60s.


He graduated in 1968, giving him plenty of time to enlist and bring his bushwhacking skills to Vietnam. He declined, possibly after someone told him that Victor Charlie was not a duck.
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William Lewis  Sep 8, 2017 • 4:33:47pm

Well, fuck me running…

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 8, 2017 • 4:35:27pm

re: #315 William Lewis

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 8, 2017 • 4:35:36pm

I thought Lucifer’s Hammer was really good when I was younger. Read it again about 10 years ago, and cringed at how racist it was - White farmers, ranchers, and engineers battling the blacks from the cities who almost immediately went cannibal, AND Anti-Science!

Pournelle himself, as I understand it, went full metal wingnut.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 8, 2017 • 4:38:04pm

re: #317 Blind Frog Belly White

I thought Lucifer’s Hammer was really good when I was younger.

Pournelle himself, as I understand it, went full metal wingnut.

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I loved it when I was 16.

Pournelle was always a RWNJ.

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William Lewis  Sep 8, 2017 • 4:41:11pm

re: #317 Blind Frog Belly White

I thought Lucifer’s Hammer was really good when I was younger. Read it again about 10 years ago, and cringed at how racist it was - White farmers, ranchers, and engineers battling the blacks from the cities who almost immediately went cannibal, AND Anti-Science!

Pournelle himself, as I understand it, went full metal wingnut.

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Pournelle has always been wingnut & worse since he started writing. He’s a closet monarchist and fascism isn’t strong enough for him. Check out “Fallen Angels” sometime. (checking that name on Wiki shows he passed today.

Agnus Dei, qui tollis peccata mundi, miserere nobis.
Agnus Dei, qui tollis peccata mundi, miserere nobis.
Agnus Dei, qui tollis peccata mundi, dona eis requiem sempiternam.)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 8, 2017 • 4:41:25pm

re: #318 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I loved it when I was 16.

Pournelle was always a RWNJ.

There was one book he wrote with Niven, I forget the name of it, but it involved the Left getting together with the Religious Right to stop Technology, resulting in a New Ice Age, which inexplicably managed to glaciate most of the Northern US in a matter of years.

I got a dollar says he was a Climate Change Denier, because RWNJ membership trumps love of science.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 8, 2017 • 4:44:28pm

re: #320 Blind Frog Belly White

There was one book he wrote with Niven, I forget the name of it, but it involved the Left getting together with the Religious Right to stop Technology, resulting in a New Ice Age, which inexplicably managed to glaciate most of the Northern US in a matter of years.

I got a dollar says he was a Climate Change Denier, because RWNJ membership trumps love of science.

Fallen Angels. I don’t know why I haven’t read it, since I read a lot of Niven and a bunch with Pournelle as a teen.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 8, 2017 • 4:45:12pm

Still, De mortuis nil nisis bonum, so I’ll stop.

“Agnus Dei, qui tollis peccata mundi,” reminds me of a line from “Hansel and Gretel and Ted and Alice; An Opera In One Unnatural Act”, but PDQ Back. Someone pretending to be a monk is singing what he’s pretending is Latin, and sings about “Agnus and her sister Doris Dei”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 8, 2017 • 4:48:00pm

re: #321 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Fallen Angels. I don’t know why I haven’t read it, since I read a lot of Niven and a bunch with Pournelle as a teen.

That’s the one.

Edit: Don’t bother.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Sep 8, 2017 • 4:56:27pm

re: #321 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Fallen Angels. I don’t know why I haven’t read it, since I read a lot of Niven and a bunch with Pournelle as a teen.

It’s interesting because it shows that RWNJ ideas about science, especially climate science, were fully formed as early as 1991, many years before Al Gore started to champion the cause. The same allegations of grant grabbing and a communist conspiracy hidden political agenda appear there that appear in more recent anti-science.

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darthstar  Sep 8, 2017 • 4:59:58pm

re: #253 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Current pet peeve: people who retweet every tweet in a thread.

I find myself muting the person they’re retweeting.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 8, 2017 • 5:01:44pm

re: #324 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

It’s interesting because it shows that RWNJ ideas about science, especially climate science, were fully formed as early as 1991, many years before Al Gore started to champion the cause. The same allegations of grant grabbing and a communist conspiracy hidden political agenda appear there that appear in more recent anti-science.

The grant-grabbing thing originally came from Creationists, along with “More and more scientists (none of whom I can name) are rejecting [Scientific Fact I Don’t Like]!”

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William Lewis  Sep 8, 2017 • 5:02:30pm

re: #322 Blind Frog Belly White

Still, De mortuis nil nisis bonum, so I’ll stop.

“Agnus Dei, qui tollis peccata mundi,” reminds me of a line from “Hansel and Gretel and Ted and Alice; An Opera In One Unnatural Act”, but PDQ Back. Someone pretending to be a monk is singing what he’s pretending is Latin, and sings about “Agnus and her sister Doris Dei”

Oh, my… Peter Schickele is an underappreciated genius. The PDQ material could only be written by someone with an absolute command of every branch of classical music.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 8, 2017 • 5:05:54pm

re: #327 William Lewis

Oh, my… Peter Schickele is an underappreciated genius. The PDQ material could only be written by someone with an absolute command of every branch of classical music.

Who else could invent the Windbreaker, the Slide Windbreaker, and the Double-Reed Slide Music Stand?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 8, 2017 • 5:16:52pm

re: #188 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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Wow! That’s the school my Grandfather attended!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 8, 2017 • 5:20:18pm

re: #269 Birth Control Works

Yeah, Hannity is too BOMC for me.

something hinky there.

Please. Don’t. Go. There.

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Birth Control Works  Sep 8, 2017 • 11:09:40pm

re: #311 Interesting Times

Ah, okay, I got tripped up the typo (i.e. instead of “BMOC”, your comment said “BOMC - and I was all, what? “Book of the Month Club”? “Burnt Orange Media Conspiracy”?? Or another one on Urban Dictionary that I…really, really don’t want to picture hannity and ailes engaged in o_O )

sorry


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