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MsJ  Sep 13, 2017 • 8:28:55pm

Gah, I CL’d myself in the last thread. I wouldn’t repeat it but I think it’s kinda important.

I just got this in email from Credit Karma.

You might have heard about the recent Equifax data breach, which affects about 143 million people. Whether you’re part of that group or not, we want you to know we have your back.

You’re already enrolled in free credit monitoring, so we’ll let you know if we see changes on your credit reports. We’re also accelerating our plans to expand our credit monitoring services, and we’ll be introducing more alerts in the next few weeks.

We recommend checking your reports today to make sure everything looks right.

This is a free service. I recommend them. You see your credit scores and your accounts. It shows inquiries into to your file so you should be able to spot fraud. And they email you with changes.

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jaunte  Sep 13, 2017 • 8:32:37pm
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Stanley Sea  Sep 13, 2017 • 8:38:11pm

re: #2 jaunte

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jaunte  Sep 13, 2017 • 8:39:11pm

re: #3 Stanley Sea

Trouble in Bigot City.

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teleskiguy  Sep 13, 2017 • 8:40:10pm

re: #4 jaunte

It’ll be short-lived. Very short-lived. Like a few hours short-lived, if that.

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MsJ  Sep 13, 2017 • 8:41:24pm

Excuse me while I sit here and LMAO.

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teleskiguy  Sep 13, 2017 • 8:41:46pm

He’ll be licking McConnell’s scrotum and taint once again this time tomorrow.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 13, 2017 • 8:44:09pm

re: #1 MsJ

Gah, I CL’d myself in the last thread. I wouldn’t repeat it but I think it’s kinda important.

I just got this in email from Credit Karma.

This is a free service. I recommend them. You see your credit scores and your accounts. It shows inquiries into to your file so you should be able to spot fraud. And they email you with changes.

Thanks for reminding me. It turns out I had already signed up for Credit Karma, but had not set up its notifications.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 13, 2017 • 8:45:18pm

re: #1 MsJ

Gah, I CL’d myself in the last thread. I wouldn’t repeat it but I think it’s kinda important.

I did the same after you …

Well, if Rep. Pelosi and Sen. Schumer were successful:

Neil Finn - Don’t Dream It’s Over (live with strings, Auckland 2015)

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Kragar  Sep 13, 2017 • 8:47:32pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 13, 2017 • 8:47:35pm

re: #6 MsJ

Ted Cruz: Consenting adults should be able to do whatever they want in their bedrooms; “The media and the left seem obsessed with sex”

Says the guy who argued as Texas Solicitor General over the right to own sex toys and once argued you have no right to “self-gratification.”

You go with that argument, Ted. Oh, yeah, and your roommate from college had something to say about the second item up there in the press yesterday… .

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MsJ  Sep 13, 2017 • 8:49:17pm

I’m agreeing and retweeting Noah fucking Rothman. The world is going to end.

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VegasGolfer  Sep 13, 2017 • 8:49:29pm

Steve king has a sad.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 13, 2017 • 8:49:32pm
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teleskiguy  Sep 13, 2017 • 8:50:01pm

Great, just got quote tweeted by a senior editor of The Federalist. Bring on the flying monkeys!

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Jay C  Sep 13, 2017 • 8:50:28pm

re: #2 jaunte

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Told you!

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 13, 2017 • 8:53:06pm

re: #8 wheat-dogg

Thanks for reminding me. It turns out I had already signed up for Credit Karma, but had not set up its notifications.

I follow the idea of “you get what you pay for.” Who is paying for Credit Karma, and how do I know they would keep my information any safer than Equifax did?

I called the three credit agencies and put holds on any new applications for credit. (That would be suspicious since I am credit-shy and use money or cheques for nearly everything.)

That prevents anyone from applying for credit in either my or my wife’s names. (You can still permit your own credit applications to go through by telling them.)

I suppose different solutions work for different people. I probably don’t have any room to talk since I embarrassed a state police officer this afternoon by making him pull over a speeding Smart car. (One might question my judgement.)

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Kragar  Sep 13, 2017 • 8:53:21pm

re: #13 VegasGolfer

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Sep 13, 2017 • 8:56:29pm

re: #7 teleskiguy

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He’ll be licking McConnell’s scrotum and taint once again this time tomorrow.

I did NOT need that image in my head!

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Kragar  Sep 13, 2017 • 8:59:04pm

3 man crew, with space for a infantry squad appx 13 men

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teleskiguy  Sep 13, 2017 • 9:00:28pm

re: #19 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

I did NOT need that image in my head!

We didn’t need Fuckface Von Clownstick as president, yet here we are.

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Unshaken Defiance  Sep 13, 2017 • 9:06:22pm

re: #18 Kragar

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MsJ  Sep 13, 2017 • 9:14:00pm

re: #17 Anymouse 🌹

I follow the idea of “you get what you pay for.” Who is paying for Credit Karma, and how do I know they would keep my information any safer than Equifax did?

I called the three credit agencies and put holds on any new applications for credit. (That would be suspicious since I am credit-shy and use money or cheques for nearly everything.)

That prevents anyone from applying for credit in either my or my wife’s names. (You can still permit your own credit applications to go through by telling them.)

I suppose different solutions work for different people. I probably don’t have any room to talk since I embarrassed a state police officer this afternoon by making him pull over a speeding Smart car. (One might question my judgement.)

They pull the info from the agencies. They don’t have their own data. They make money trying to sell you credit cards (they make suggestions for you). I never got one. I appreciate their service and it’s available via Web browser and an app.

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teleskiguy  Sep 13, 2017 • 9:18:53pm

re: #15 teleskiguy

Great, just got quote tweeted by a senior editor of The Federalist. Bring on the flying monkeys!

I is disappoint.

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MsJ  Sep 13, 2017 • 9:20:40pm

Man, this is delicious.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 13, 2017 • 9:20:57pm

re: #23 MsJ

Thanks for the info.

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JordanRules  Sep 13, 2017 • 9:21:27pm

This is gaining some legs.

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KGxvi  Sep 13, 2017 • 9:22:38pm

Went looking for Trump’s approval ratings, found this poll by YouGov, and there are some numbers that we probably need to address…

1% think Canada is an enemy. 12% are not sure if Canada is an ally, friendly, unfriendly, or an enemy. TWELVE FUCKING PERCENT!

1% say that Iran is an ally. 7% say friendly. I wonder how much cross over there is between the Canada and Iran numbers.

2% say North Korea is an ally, 3% say friendly, and 13% are not sure. (Relatedly 9% think South Korea is an enemy)

4% say Mexico is an enemy (which might actually constitutes Trump’s true bottom). Speaking of 4%, that’s the same number that think Russia is an ally.

Just keep in mind, there’s about 325 million people in this country, so that means 1% is about 3.25 million. There are, potentially SIX AND A HALF MILLION people in this country that think North Korea is an ally. And thirteen million who see Russia as an ally and/or Mexico as an enemy.

Quite possibly the most amazing numbers, and probably where I would be on the questions, is when people are asked what they think Trump sees these countries (and a few others) as, about 25% say they aren’t sure. That’s how I’d answer, because I’m willing to bet he doesn’t know who are allies are.

On a more serious note, 57% favor a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants (poll used the term illegal immigrants), and another 12% favor something like green card status.

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electrotek  Sep 13, 2017 • 9:23:04pm

This moron

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JordanRules  Sep 13, 2017 • 9:25:49pm

re: #25 MsJ

Ha!

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wheat-dogg  Sep 13, 2017 • 9:26:43pm

re: #29 electrotek

“The vast majority of Muslims” — as in almost 1 BILLION people? He’s got some Professor X mindreading skillz there.

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electrotek  Sep 13, 2017 • 9:29:28pm

re: #31 wheat-dogg

“The vast majority of Muslims” — as in almost 1 BILLION people? He’s got some Professor X mindreading skillz there.

He also said that progressive Muslims are NOT real Muslims.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 13, 2017 • 9:33:15pm

re: #32 electrotek

He also said that progressive Muslims are NOT real Muslims.

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I stuck my nose in the discussion. I’m in that kind of mood right now.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 13, 2017 • 9:36:28pm

Hooray for the Cash family!

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MsJ  Sep 13, 2017 • 9:38:41pm

The tears are so delicious!

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teleskiguy  Sep 13, 2017 • 9:43:25pm

re: #35 MsJ

Vaporware. Smoke and mirrors. Their God Emperor will tweet tomorrow morning that the ‘Demoncrat’ party are liars and murderers.

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JordanRules  Sep 13, 2017 • 9:50:53pm

re: #36 teleskiguy

Remember when they lost their shit when Bannon was fired?
Mm hmm everything with the bigot cult will be fine again soon.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 13, 2017 • 9:51:10pm

OK, another variation on the guy ogling the girl passing by.

Could be redone with Trump.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 13, 2017 • 9:54:43pm

re: #35 MsJ

The tears are so delicious!

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So Bannon is doubling down on the nose candy tonight…

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electrotek  Sep 13, 2017 • 10:00:23pm

Is there any anime films that deal with social or political commentary? Especially international commentary?

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Belafon  Sep 13, 2017 • 10:07:18pm

re: #40 electrotek

Is there any anime films that deal with social or political commentary? Especially international commentary?

What type of commentary? I’ll have to ask my son for particular answers, bit I’m sure there are. There’s one called C, for Control, that is a game representation of capitalism, specifically the idea of credit.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 13, 2017 • 10:07:25pm

Trump is going after Spanish olives*.

elpais.com

* pronounced as Charo did, “olips.”

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Aussie Apocalypse  Sep 13, 2017 • 10:08:27pm

For the record: A boring Government has never looked so good!!

Signed: An Australian which has never known a different type of government.

(P.S. I didn’t vote for John Howard, (I wasn’t old enough to legally vote then) but at least he was sane.)

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alloutofcrazyhere  Sep 13, 2017 • 10:16:47pm

re: #40 electrotek

Is there any anime films that deal with social or political commentary? Especially international commentary?

Yeah, not entirely sure what you are looking for. Can you explain?

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electrotek  Sep 13, 2017 • 10:17:04pm

re: #41 Belafon

What type of commentary? I’ll have to ask my son for particular answers, bit I’m sure there are. There’s one called C, for Control, that is a game representation of capitalism, specifically the idea of credit.

Moreso towards the military-industrial complex and the WoT.

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teleskiguy  Sep 13, 2017 • 10:17:07pm
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Belafon  Sep 13, 2017 • 10:18:36pm

This is good: m.dailykos.com.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Sep 13, 2017 • 10:19:23pm

Since Trump invoked China as an example for this country earlier today:

Uncle Joe did know how to get things done, if you overlook that whole genocidal mass-murdering tyrant thing. In 1941, for example, aircraft production was lagging so he sent this note to a couple of plodding factory managers:

You have let down our country and our Red Army. You have the nerve not to manufacture IL-2s until now. Our Red Army now needs IL-2 aircraft like the air it breathes, like the bread it eats. Shenkman produces one IL-2 a day and Tretyakov builds one or two MiG-3s daily. It is a mockery of our country and the Red Army. I ask you not to try the government’s patience, and demand that you manufacture more ILs. This is my final warning. (emphasis added)

EEK! Production tripled almost overnight.

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alloutofcrazyhere  Sep 13, 2017 • 10:22:57pm

re: #41 Belafon

What type of commentary? I’ll have to ask my son for particular answers, bit I’m sure there are. There’s one called C, for Control, that is a game representation of capitalism, specifically the idea of credit.

Eden of the East is the closest that I can think of when it comes to C.

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JordanRules  Sep 13, 2017 • 10:23:58pm

re: #47 Belafon

A+ thread!

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wheat-dogg  Sep 13, 2017 • 10:26:22pm

re: #48 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Since Trump invoked China as an example for this country earlier today:

Citing China as a model is wrong on so many levels, it’s hard to know where to begin. But, suffice it to say that China’s economy is teetering on the brink of disaster, because it’s dependent on a real estate construction boom that the government encouraged. There are also rumors that China will soon devalue the yuan.

And the People’s Bank of China (equivalent to the Fed) is in a frenzy trying to shut off channels of capital flight, such as Bitcoin and package tours to the casinos of Macau.

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JordanRules  Sep 13, 2017 • 10:30:22pm

Speaking about the corporate brand versus journalism, Pierce pens a good piece for SI.

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alloutofcrazyhere  Sep 13, 2017 • 10:31:27pm

re: #45 electrotek

Moreso towards the military-industrial complex and the WoT.

Terror in Resonance involves domestic terrorism in Japan. Although there’s no specific connection to real world issues. I do applaud the use of cryptocurrency in the show though.

Trailer link

Link

There is some 9/11 like imagery in there. If I remember, it’s in the first episode.

Edited for clarity.

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JordanRules  Sep 13, 2017 • 10:35:53pm

It would, yes.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 13, 2017 • 10:46:33pm

Say Mueller comes out with criminal charges for a bunch of people and they just ignore it. Trump refuses to step down or be taken into custody himself/whatever. Then what? As bad as things are now, this kind of scenario could be a complete shitshow.

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Amory Blaine  Sep 13, 2017 • 10:48:55pm

Want to chug wingnut tears? Go check out the comments on the DACA article at Breitbart.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 13, 2017 • 10:50:11pm

It’s fun when you wake up at 2:00 am with heartburn/indigestion so bad you think you’re going to throw up.

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teleskiguy  Sep 13, 2017 • 10:50:12pm

re: #55 GlutenFreeJesus

Katy Tur wrote in her latest book that she fears that Fuckface Von Clownstick will be president* until he dies, that he’ll completely ignore term limits.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 13, 2017 • 10:57:21pm

re: #58 teleskiguy

Katy Tur wrote in her latest book that she fears that Fuckface Von Clownstick will be president* until he dies, that he’ll completely ignore term limits.

That would require a new amendment to the Constitution, or a complete breakdown of our government’s checks and balances. For the latter, both Congress and the Supreme Court would have to be wiling to let the executive branch supplant them.

I’m not saying it’s impossible, but it’s unlikely, IMO.

Also, Trump is no spring chicken. I’m not sure he could survive eight years as president.

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alloutofcrazyhere  Sep 13, 2017 • 10:58:28pm

Forgot about the anime movie The Sky Crawlers.

Synopsis:

Link

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BeachDem  Sep 13, 2017 • 10:59:59pm

re: #1 MsJ

Gah, I CL’d myself in the last thread. I wouldn’t repeat it but I think it’s kinda important.

I just got this in email from Credit Karma.

This is a free service. I recommend them. You see your credit scores and your accounts. It shows inquiries into to your file so you should be able to spot fraud. And they email you with changes.

Followed your advice and signed up with Credit Karma. Thanks for the tip.

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teleskiguy  Sep 13, 2017 • 11:02:00pm

re: #59 wheat-dogg

Trump is no spring chicken. I’m not sure he could survive eight years as president.

HE HAS ADONIS DNA! SHUT UP!!!

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JordanRules  Sep 13, 2017 • 11:02:25pm

Motel 6 chimes in. They know this isn’t good for business on a number of levels.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 13, 2017 • 11:02:25pm

Another helpful article re: Equifax: medium.com

Time for bed here. See y’all later.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 13, 2017 • 11:03:46pm

re: #63 JordanRules

Motel 6 chimes in. They know this isn’t good for business on a number of levels.

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The DM and RM are probably hearing a lot from the corporate office today.

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alloutofcrazyhere  Sep 13, 2017 • 11:04:48pm

re: #62 teleskiguy

Apparently orangutans only live to like 50-60, so he’s on borrowed time.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 13, 2017 • 11:04:54pm

re: #56 Amory Blaine

Want to chug wingnut tears? Go check out the comments on the DACA article at Breitbart.

“Yes…..yes; let the butthurt flow through you!!”

Many of the Breitbrats are absolutely apoplectic - and if Breitbart/Bannon turns against Trump, it’s gonna get truly interesting.

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teleskiguy  Sep 13, 2017 • 11:12:33pm

re: #67 Dr Lizardo

Many of the Breitbrats are absolutely apoplectic - and if Breitbart/Bannon turns against Trump, it’s gonna get truly interesting.

The Breitscum is being run by Steve Bannon at present. He just said on 60 Minutes on Sunday that he would be a champion of everything Fuckface Von Clownstick is about.

🤔

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BeachDem  Sep 13, 2017 • 11:17:48pm

re: #47 Belafon

This is good: m.dailykos.com.

Fabulous. And leads me to plug, once again, emergeamerica.org.

Emerge America is the premier training program for Democratic women.
We inspire women to run, we hone their skills to win.
Our goal is clear: to increase the number of Democratic women in public office.

We just hired our state Executive Director and are having 3 announcement events around the state later in September.

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BeachDem  Sep 13, 2017 • 11:26:36pm

re: #52 JordanRules

Speaking about the corporate brand versus journalism, Pierce pens a good piece for SI.

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Pretty perfect—Charlie comes through again—and the close is, well, pure Pierce:

Jemele Hill is a tribute to the people who raised her and an ornament of great value to her profession.

The President of the United States is a white supremacist and a racist, just like his odious father was before him.

Go ahead, Sarah.

Tell them to fire me.

Thanks for sharing.

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electrotek  Sep 13, 2017 • 11:31:20pm

DW has a about Japanese women joining Da’esh for anyone interested.

Though it’s too early conclude if they are really Japanese or if they are of immigration extraction from Japan, but either way, it’s fucking alarming to find idiots as far east as Japan who would join such a murderous death cult.

It just boggles the mind for me. Even at the mosques I’ve visited in the country, I’ve seen Japanese converts who combine the kimonos with the hijab and it works so well and not out of place.

I’m just at a loss of words here.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 13, 2017 • 11:33:31pm

re: #18 Kragar

“No promise is credible.”

Most Americans already knew this about Trump, which is why he lost the popular vote by millions

Millions of illegal votes!

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JordanRules  Sep 13, 2017 • 11:36:30pm

re: #69 BeachDem

Love what Emerge America is doing! Please keep updating us here.

It’s funny, I think the nature of sexism might mean a wave of women candidates goes unnoticed and/or underestimated. I can’t wait for the big surprise!

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alloutofcrazyhere  Sep 13, 2017 • 11:40:50pm

Saw this elsewhere.

Electoral College Victory.
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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 13, 2017 • 11:44:01pm

re: #42 wheat-dogg

Trump is going after Spanish olives*.

elpais.com

* pronounced as Charo did, “olips.”

Glad to see that laser-like focus on coal miners getting back to work. /s

a) Trump could not care less about California: They didn’t vote for him.
b) Good to see he’s still going after one of our allies (Spain’s olives) on trade issues, rather than one of our rivals (China’s solar panels and steel).

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 13, 2017 • 11:49:10pm

re: #55 GlutenFreeJesus

Say Mueller comes out with criminal charges for a bunch of people and they just ignore it. Trump refuses to step down or be taken into custody himself/whatever. Then what? As bad as things are now, this kind of scenario could be a complete shitshow.

On others not named Donald Trump: The US Marshals Service has the ability to apply sufficient force to take someone into custody. Ignoring any charges would likely not be an option, though fleeing the country like some tin-pot dictator’s cronies certainly could happen.

On those named Donald Trump: I would not be adverse to him fleeing either.

Fleeing might actually be the best outcome for our political system (though I don’t wish these guys on any other country). It would utterly discredit the GOP.

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alloutofcrazyhere  Sep 13, 2017 • 11:49:57pm

I imagine that some of you have seen something similar to this, but in light of the whole “voter fraud” and other such nonsense, I thought that this was worth a gander.

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JordanRules  Sep 13, 2017 • 11:52:40pm

re: #74 alloutofcrazyhere

That’s good!

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 13, 2017 • 11:53:46pm

re: #77 alloutofcrazyhere

I imagine that some of you have seen something similar to this, but in light of the whole “voter fraud” and other such nonsense, I thought that this was worth a gander.

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If Sen. Rand Paul gets his libertarian wish to eliminate the Voting Rights Act, we might see such tests again.

(In practice during Jim Crow, such tests were arbitrarily scored to allow white voters to pass them, as were tests on laws or the Constitution. They also sometimes had “question pools” where whites got very easy questions and minorities got esoteric and difficult ones.)

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alloutofcrazyhere  Sep 14, 2017 • 12:01:27am

re: #79 Anymouse 🌹

Speaking of the Paul’s, apparently Ron Paul doesn’t like SpaceX.

Link

My solution is to crowdsource a SpaceX rocket, duct tape some of these looney libertarians to it, and send them to another galaxy.

Only there can they realize their ultimate libertarian utopia. They can call it Galt’s Galaxy.

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JordanRules  Sep 14, 2017 • 12:15:41am

Oh!

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Single-handed sailor  Sep 14, 2017 • 12:16:49am

re: #80 alloutofcrazyhere

Ron Paul is a moron.

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JordanRules  Sep 14, 2017 • 12:19:43am
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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 14, 2017 • 12:26:16am

re: #82 Single-handed sailor

Ron Paul is a moron.

But what about his ludicrous political ideas? /s

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alloutofcrazyhere  Sep 14, 2017 • 12:27:25am

re: #82 Single-handed sailor

No argument here.

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teleskiguy  Sep 14, 2017 • 12:28:04am

re: #84 Anymouse 🌹

But what about his ludicrous political ideas? /s

Very Flashy GIF Advisory, click at your own risk.

Giphy

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 14, 2017 • 12:34:13am

Playing now:

The Thinking Atheist Podcast, where Seth Andrews (a former evangelical radio broadcaster) going after The National Review for a massive strawman argument by that magazine, claiming so-called “New Atheists” are a “dangerous secular threat” for defending Islam while criticising Christianity. (Yeah, that defence doesn’t happen in apolgetics.)

The National Review also claims “Leftists” (capital L) are throwing atheists under a bus, and that atheists are “irrational.”

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freetoken  Sep 14, 2017 • 12:35:03am

re: #63 JordanRules

Hmmm… not sure it really matters for Motel 6. The only reason someone stays there is because they can’t afford a better place.

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freetoken  Sep 14, 2017 • 12:37:26am

re: #87 Anymouse 🌹

I think that was the show 3 weeks ago:

The Myth of New Atheism (TTA Podcast 342)

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 14, 2017 • 12:38:00am

Apparently, we are a “hate group,” not interested in human beings or human rights, only interested in promoting hate, and are “religious.”

Wow, that’s a 70 mm projector from those guys.

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freetoken  Sep 14, 2017 • 12:39:04am
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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 14, 2017 • 12:45:13am

Wow, accusing us of being Nazis, a new version of the Ku Klux Klan, being anti-intellectual …

Did I miss the change the dictionary put in to define atheism?

I’m going to log off and listen to more about how we need to be “liberated from dogma.” G’night, y’all.

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JordanRules  Sep 14, 2017 • 12:47:44am

re: #88 freetoken

That’s not been my experience. Folks may be looking for a budget option but not necessarily because they can’t afford anything else. They can also be the only option in many circumstances.

They disavowed the practice and said it was not sanctioned by corporate. They got a ton of bad social media response.

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freetoken  Sep 14, 2017 • 12:52:07am

re: #93 JordanRules

That’s not been my experience. Folks may be looking for a budget option but not necessarily because they can’t afford anything else. They can also be the only option in many circumstances.

Ok. Then if that is so, then it doesn’t really matter what the corporation does because the customer will have no choice.

I suspect the corporate office now finds itself in that awkward position of trying to play as a good corporate citizen in that rarified world of interlocking corporate boards.

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freetoken  Sep 14, 2017 • 12:54:23am

re: #92 Anymouse 🌹

The Loss-of-God Problem has been discussed by many over many years. It is attributed to the world wars in Europe, for eroding any pretense of “Christianity” in European society.

That National Racists Online are squealing is just part of their gig now. In the old days they’d embrace the atheist right (Ayn Rand, etc.)

But today in America the revanchism has definite religious undertones.

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freetoken  Sep 14, 2017 • 12:59:47am

One of the more delightful little entries in the last year of TV programs was The Good Place.

Somewhat erudite humor, it doesn’t appeal to everyone.

Still, it is fascinating that the premise of the show, the setting for why the humor can exist, is based on traditional religious belief being modified, and generalized, just enough to not be pinned to any particular sect of monotheism. Or polytheism for that matter.

We can’t escape our religiosity-imbued past. It is what makes us us.

But modernity has closed the door on fundamentalism. Such beliefs just don’t hold water in the light of what we have discovered about reality.

And that scares enough people that a hefty industry is now had in milking these fears.

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JordanRules  Sep 14, 2017 • 1:04:52am

re: #94 freetoken

Also can, not always is.

I think it was a pretty easy call on corporate’s part. Especially since SCOTUS ruled hotels do not have to hand over their guest list.
forbes.com

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JordanRules  Sep 14, 2017 • 1:26:46am

So funny to lie to the American people on behalf of their Government!

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 14, 2017 • 1:43:38am
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Timothy Watson  Sep 14, 2017 • 2:15:46am

re: #98 JordanRules

So funny to lie to the American people on behalf of their Government!

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And a “liberal” like Kimmel has no problem normalizing this shit.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 14, 2017 • 4:49:19am

re: #63 JordanRules

Motel 6 chimes in. They know this isn’t good for business on a number of levels.

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“I’m Tom Bodett for Motel 6, and we’ll leave the light on for you white people only….”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 14, 2017 • 4:53:20am

re: #63 JordanRules

Motel 6 chimes in. They know this isn’t good for business on a number of levels.

I can understand that it is not company policy, it is probably the work of a few individual employees, but it the company’s own fault if they hire True Patriots and not Seditious Liberals…

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jeffreyw  Sep 14, 2017 • 5:10:33am

Imgur


Good morning!

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Dave In Austin  Sep 14, 2017 • 5:10:38am
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William Lewis  Sep 14, 2017 • 5:19:18am

re: #103 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I can understand that it is not company policy, it is probably the work of a few individual employees, but it the company’s own fault if they hire True Patriots and not Seditious Liberals…

Most motels are franchises. The company can say they violated the franchise agreement and make them go independent, but that’s about it. The actual motels are individually owned and operated by the franchise holder and that is where maximum pressure needs to be applied.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 14, 2017 • 5:20:40am

re: #106 William Lewis

Most motels are franchises. The company can say they violated the franchise agreement and make them go independent, but that’s about it. The actual motels are individually owned and operated by the franchise holder and that is where maximum pressure needs to be applied.

And I can imagine that the Motel 6 does not attract the cream of the crop when it comes to staffing…

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 14, 2017 • 5:23:37am

re: #96 freetoken

I love The Good Place. So happy for season 2!

Season 1 is on Netflix btw. Everyone should watch. :)

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 14, 2017 • 5:36:48am

ELL. OH. ELL.

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 14, 2017 • 5:49:20am

re: #109 The Vicious Babushka

ELL. OH. ELL.

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And don’t they have to wear masks a lot because of un-breathable air? Yeah, we need to be more like that.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 14, 2017 • 5:56:21am

re: #40 electrotek

Is there any anime films that deal with social or political commentary? Especially international commentary?


Song of the South
, but it’s hard to find.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 14, 2017 • 5:57:08am

BWAHAHAA!!!

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William Lewis  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:01:10am

re: #111 Decatur Deb


Song of the South
, but it’s hard to find.

Ow!

Actually saw that in a theater. I think my aunt just thought of it as a “Disney” so good to take me and my sisters to.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:02:49am

re: #112 The Vicious Babushka

BWAHAHAA!!!

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There is some major butthurt going on down thread… I’s LOL!!!

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:03:23am

re: #112 The Vicious Babushka

BWAHAHAA!!!

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The meltdown at Breitbart is continuing. It’s quite breathtaking, really.

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lawhawk  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:11:28am

re: #109 The Vicious Babushka

China’s corporate tax rate isn’t 15%.

The base rate is 25%. There’s a lower rate for certain business/industries that qualify.

In other words, it’s the same kind of tax preference policies that allow the US to have an average effective tax rate of 19%. It’s how GE was able to get an effective tax rate of under 3% for years on end. Verizon’s effective tax rate was 12.4%. More than a few paid no federal tax at all at least once in a period surveyed - because of tax preference items such as depreciation, amortization, NOLs, cap gains and losses.

All Trump does is lie, and this lie is in service of the GOP dream of cutting taxes on corps and the rich while shifting the burdens to everyone else.

SS/DD.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:15:13am

re: #113 William Lewis

Ow!

Actually saw that in a theater. I think my aunt just thought of it as a “Disney” so good to take me and my sisters to.

Very complex history, that.

en.wikipedia.org

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jeffreyw  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:15:31am
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Mike Lamb  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:17:02am

re: #116 lawhawk

Facts, shmacts.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:18:00am

re: #112 The Vicious Babushka

BWAHAHAA!!!

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Haha Trumpers done got cucked. Trump is still awful of course but nothing like his cult in disarray.

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lawhawk  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:19:12am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. The media, in particular Maggie Haberman, still think Trump will somehow pivot or show that he cares about policy.

This is wishful thinking and nonsense. Nothing indicates he will ever care about policy or about the consequences of his actions. That’s not who he is, and he’s never shown any interest in anyone other than himself.

The GOP is pissed at him for dealing with Democrats again? Why is this surprising to anyone? The GOP are obstructionists and can’t even agree on their own basic agenda - they couldn’t get past repeal and replace because no one among the GOP could agree on what to do.

This is who the GOP and Trump are. They are saboteurs and con artists. Period.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:26:40am

re: #121 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. The media, in particular Maggie Haberman, still think Trump will somehow pivot or show that he cares about policy.

This is wishful thinking and nonsense. Nothing indicates he will ever care about policy or about the consequences of his actions. That’s not who he is, and he’s never shown any interest in anyone other than himself.

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The GOP is pissed at him for dealing with Democrats again? Why is this surprising to anyone? The GOP are obstructionists and can’t even agree on their own basic agenda - they couldn’t get past repeal and replace because no one among the GOP could agree on what to do.

This is who the GOP and Trump are. They are saboteurs and con artists. Period.

He’s an idiot, the GOP leadership are idiots, and the GOP base are the biggest ones of all because they vote for these fools time and time again.

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(Bert the Turtle)  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:27:45am

re: #121 lawhawk

This is who the GOP and Trump are. They are saboteurs and con artists. Period.

Boom. Spot on, again.

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Unshaken Defiance  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:33:55am

re: #36 teleskiguy

Vaporware. Smoke and mirrors. Their God Emperor will tweet tomorrow morning that the ‘Demoncrat’ party are liars and murderers.

Winner.
And like clockwork, radio news this am ‘There WILL be a wall” WH version of meet very different etc etc.

Late edit—Good Morning from SoCal. Wishing all those hard at work recovering from Hurricanes all the best. Stay safe with the heavy unfamiliar gear! I don’t expect Teleski to be up quite yet. But he was right. Not a tough one to call but what the heck.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:34:52am

Rexxon, clean up on aisle 1!
Trump’s Weird Threat to Colombia

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Le Coquí Résistance  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:35:38am

re: #108 GlutenFreeJesus

I love The Good Place. So happy for season 2!

Season 1 is on Netflix btw. Everyone should watch. :)

Good! Cancelling it after season 1 would feel like a harsh punishment. :P

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Sir John Barron  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:37:16am

re: #114 Dave In Austin

There is some major butthurt going on down thread… I’s LOL!!!

My heart bleeds for them.

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lawhawk  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:38:16am
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b.d. (bill d.)  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:38:21am

re: #96 freetoken

re: #108 GlutenFreeJesus

I watch zero sitcoms but stumbled across The Good Place and really liked it. Glad it is coming back I certainly could see them axing it.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:38:34am

re: #127 Sir John Barron

My heart bleeds for them.

We told them Trump was a con man.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:39:15am

re: #128 lawhawk

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Wouldn’t shock me. Sexual harassment seems to be the culture at FNC.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:39:31am

re: #121 lawhawk

This is who the GOP and Trump are. They are saboteurs and con artists. Period.

What lawhawk said. The 2017 RepubliKKKlan Party acts exactly the same way as the 1917 Bolsheviks in Russia. Destroy everything and institute a dictatorship of the 1%…

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lawhawk  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:39:46am

re: #112 The Vicious Babushka

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Sir John Barron  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:40:17am

re: #114 Dave In Austin

There is some major butthurt going on down thread… I’s LOL!!!

Give us all the popcorn

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b.d. (bill d.)  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:40:30am

Missed the entire Trump/Dem dinner news cycle.

Apparently Trump promised something to someone and later denied it?

Shocked!!

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lawhawk  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:40:41am

re: #134 Sir John Barron

Pass the popcorn
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meteor  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:40:55am

Forgive me if this is a duplicate post.

Drummer Grant Hart of Husker Du has died at 56.

If you go look at Bob Mould’s Facebook page, there is a good post there too.

He put some really good songs in my heart. Rest in peace.

Youtube Video

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HappyWarrior  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:41:32am

re: #135 b.d. (bill d.)

Missed the entire Trump/Dem dinner news cycle.

Apparently Trump promised something to someone and later denied it?

Shocked!!

It’s almost like he’s a liar with no credibility but don’t blame me, I voted for the person who understood what DACA was.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:42:16am

re: #114 Dave In Austin

There is some major butthurt going on down thread… I’s LOL!!!

Part of me is angry at President Pissface for blocking me. The other part rejoices in seeing the torch and pitchfork holding mob chasing after Frankentrump and his RepubliKKKlan KKKongress!

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Sir John Barron  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:43:03am

re: #135 b.d. (bill d.)

Missed the entire Trump/Dem dinner news cycle.

Apparently Trump promised something to someone and later denied it?

Shocked!!

He’s not denying it exactly. Just concedes legislation needed, etc.

Still, it’s hard to know what to make of it all. And obviously nothing Drump says can be taken seriously. Even if Dems agree to the “wall” or to fund it, I can’t imagine the base being happy with a DACA deal, should that come with it.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:43:58am

re: #116 lawhawk

China’s corporate tax rate isn’t 15%.

The base rate is 25%. There’s a lower rate for certain business/industries that qualify.

In other words, it’s the same kind of tax preference policies that allow the US to have an average effective tax rate of 19%. It’s how GE was able to get an effective tax rate of under 3% for years on end. Verizon’s effective tax rate was 12.4%. More than a few paid no federal tax at all at least once in a period surveyed - because of tax preference items such as depreciation, amortization, NOLs, cap gains and losses.

All Trump does is lie, and this lie is in service of the GOP dream of cutting taxes on corps and the rich while shifting the burdens to everyone else.

SS/DD.

And most small business aren’t even taxed as corporations, but on an individual’s Schedule A or as a partnership, right?

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Jay C  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:45:44am

re: #138 HappyWarrior

It’s almost like he’s a liar with no credibility but don’t blame me, I voted for the person who understood what DACA was.

“Almost”??

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I cannot.  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:46:04am

re: #136 lawhawk

This should last us through the weekend at least.

Need MOAR!
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Dr Lizardo  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:47:33am

re: #129 b.d. (bill d.)

I watch zero sitcoms but stumbled across The Good Place and really liked it. Glad it is coming back I certainly could see them axing it.

I got one of my students into Sanford and Son. She’s on sick leave now and she’s been binge watching it, LOL.

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(Bert the Turtle)  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:47:50am

re: #137 meteor

Forgive me if this is a duplicate post.

Drummer Grant Hart of Husker Du has died at 56.

If you go look at Bob Mould’s Facebook page, there is a good post there too.

He put some really good songs in my heart. Rest in peace.

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O man.. i was just talking to a good friend of mine about him. He was a major influence on me growing up east of the Twin Cities. RIP you madman.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:48:31am

re: #138 HappyWarrior

re: #140 Sir John Barron

I like his way of governing.

[trump]”Hey Mitch and Ryan: Nancy, Chuck and I came up with this deal let’s get this thing through…ok, thanks.” [/trump]

Thing is that the wingnuts are so invested in Trump that they are trying to spin this as a genius move….keep that genius sh*t coming wingnuts!

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lawhawk  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:48:45am

re: #141 Timothy Watson

Small businesses, such as LLC, LLP, partnerships (aka pass through entities), pass through income and losses to the member, partner, etc., and those members, partners are taxed at their individual tax rate or corporate tax rate (if the LLC or LLP or partnership is comprised of corporations) based on the income they have derived in the tax year.

They have to report the income - and show that the income was passed through to the members who pay tax, or else they’d be required to pay the tax themselves.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:48:50am

re: #115 Dr Lizardo

The meltdown at Breitbart is continuing. It’s quite breathtaking, really.

Surprised the base isn’t saying that This is Our Dear Leader playing 5th dimension chess on Dopey Dems! MAGA!

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lawhawk  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:49:03am

re: #143 I cannot.

Naw, that’s just the Friday night news dump supply.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:49:39am

I haven’t gone over to Breitbart. This is a new puter and I don’t want it’s nasty cookie on me.

Someone should go over and post pics of rainbow unicorns just to do it.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:50:05am

re: #137 meteor

Forgive me if this is a duplicate post.

Drummer Grant Hart of Husker Du has died at 56.

If you go look at Bob Mould’s Facebook page, there is a good post there too.

He put some really good songs in my heart. Rest in peace.

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Wow; that’s sad to hear. I was a big fan of Hüsker Dü.

RIP.

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I cannot.  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:50:25am

re: #149 lawhawk

I’ll put in a rush order for more then.

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(Bert the Turtle)  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:52:56am

Looks like it’s gonna be a Zen Arcade kinda day.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:54:28am

re: #153 (Bert the Turtle)

Looks like it’s gonna be a Zen Arcade kinda day.

Husker Du - Sorry Somehow

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:54:42am

re: #103 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I can understand that it is not company policy, it is probably the work of a few individual employees, but it the company’s own fault if they hire True Patriots and not Seditious Liberals…

It’s complicated even more by the fact that the individual motels are franchises, so “corporate” didn’t hire them.

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William Lewis  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:55:41am

re: #137 meteor

Forgive me if this is a duplicate post.

Drummer Grant Hart of Husker Du has died at 56.

If you go look at Bob Mould’s Facebook page, there is a good post there too.

He put some really good songs in my heart. Rest in peace.

[Embedded content]

Aw crap. The Mats, The Who & Husker Du were the soundtrack of how I stayed sane in high school.

Grant Hart - Don’t Want to Know If You Are Lonely (São Paulo, Brazil) Husker Dü Song

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William Lewis  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:56:36am

re: #153 (Bert the Turtle)

Looks like it’s gonna be a Zen Arcade kinda day.

New Day Rising followed by Candy Apple Grey.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:56:44am
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Timothy Watson  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:58:01am

re: #158 Dave In Austin

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Uh-oh, Chucky’s going to break his deal with Trump to go easy on Don Jr. in exchange for Trump’s support for ethanol mandates.

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(Bert the Turtle)  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:58:11am

re: #157 William Lewis

New Day Rising followed by Candy Apple Grey.

Yep! There’s a doc on Amazon(i think) where Hart says those three albums were the peak of the Husker du experience. I agree.

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William Lewis  Sep 14, 2017 • 7:01:27am

Here’s Bob’s post from the Book of Faces:

It was the Fall of 1978. I was attending Macalester College in St. Paul, Minnesota. One block from my dormitory was a tiny store called Cheapo Records. There was a PA system set up near the front door blaring punk rock. I went inside and ended up hanging out with the only person in the shop. His name was Grant Hart.
The next nine years of my life was spent side-by-side with Grant. We made amazing music together. We (almost) always agreed on how to present our collective work to the world. When we fought about the details, it was because we both cared. The band was our life. It was an amazing decade.
We stopped working together in January 1988. We went on to solo careers, fronting our own bands, finding different ways to tell our individual stories. We stayed in contact over the next 29 years — sometimes peaceful, sometimes difficult, sometimes through go-betweens. For better or worse, that’s how it was, and occasionally that’s what it is when two people care deeply about everything they built together.
The tragic news of Grant’s passing was not unexpected to me. My deepest condolences and thoughts to Grant’s family, friends, and fans around the world.
Grant Hart was a gifted visual artist, a wonderful story teller, and a frighteningly talented musician. Everyone touched by his spirit will always remember.
Godspeed, Grant. I miss you. Be with the angels.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 14, 2017 • 7:03:45am

The MOAR FASCIST THAN FOX network OAN thinks Beyonce is WORSER THEN TEH HITLERS for her hurricane relief speech.

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Belafon  Sep 14, 2017 • 7:07:30am

re: #162 The Vicious Babushka

The MOAR FASCIST THAN FOX network OAN thinks Beyonce is WORSER THEN TEH HITLERS for her hurricane relief speech.

What’s got them bent? Did she say that hurricanes impact the poor more than others, and that a lot of poor are blacks? In other words, the truth?

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 14, 2017 • 7:08:44am

re: #163 Belafon

What’s got them bent? Did she say that hurricanes impact the poor more than others, and that a lot of poor are blacks? In other words, the truth?

she said ALL HURRICANE VICTIMS MATTER. You would think that wingnuts would agree with that.

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Jay C  Sep 14, 2017 • 7:12:07am

re: #158 Dave In Austin

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Heh. I first read Sen. Grassley’s tweet as “Mom” news, and wondered why his mother had to fill him in on Trump’s supposed “deal”….
(Yeah, I know, it’s m-o-r-n )

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Sir John Barron  Sep 14, 2017 • 7:12:21am

re: #162 The Vicious Babushka

The MOAR FASCIST THAN FOX network OAN thinks Beyonce is WORSER THEN TEH HITLERS for her hurricane relief speech.

No matter how bad the economy gets, there will always be a TV or radio station to give a wingnut a job.

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(Bert the Turtle)  Sep 14, 2017 • 7:12:54am
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Sir John Barron  Sep 14, 2017 • 7:14:26am

re: #166 Sir John Barron

No matter how bad the economy gets, there will always be a TV or radio station to give a wingnut a job.

And if there aren’t enough wingnut TV/radio stations, more can be created.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 14, 2017 • 7:15:38am

re: #162 The Vicious Babushka

The MOAR FASCIST THAN FOX network OAN thinks Beyonce is WORSER THEN TEH HITLERS for her hurricane relief speech.

Sucks that Verizon includes this and Newsmax TV in my cable package. Isn’t Faux bad enough?

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William Lewis  Sep 14, 2017 • 7:17:40am

My ex-wife and I saw Grant Hart perform at the old O’Cayz Corral in Madison on Dec 31, 2000. After he got done playing we sat around and talked for quite a while. He was a kind and erudite man and I enjoyed the moment considerably.

Regrettably, his was the last show there as it burned down Jan 1, 2001 from a cigarette butt in the trash in the comedy club next door.

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makeitstop  Sep 14, 2017 • 7:24:13am

re: #162 The Vicious Babushka

The MOAR FASCIST THAN FOX network OAN thinks Beyonce is WORSER THEN TEH HITLERS for her hurricane relief speech.

And she said absolutely nothing that was offensive or untrue.

OAN is trying hard to draw in the people who think Fox isn’t fascist enough.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 14, 2017 • 7:26:53am

re: #171 makeitstop

And she said absolutely nothing that was offensive or untrue.

OAN is trying hard to draw in the people who think Fox isn’t fascist enough.

SHE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT GLOWBALL WARMING WHICH WE ALL KNOW IS TEH FAKE NEWS & TEH JUNK SCIENCE BECAUSE AL GOAR IS FAT!!!1!!!1!!!!!

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I cannot.  Sep 14, 2017 • 7:30:29am

re: #162 The Vicious Babushka

How many adjectives can he put in there in one minute? Jesus fuck.

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Interesting Times  Sep 14, 2017 • 7:31:18am

From yesterday’s attempted bodega-bash:

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 14, 2017 • 7:35:16am

There’s been a big story here in Chicago, about a 19 year old woman who was at a hotel party. She went missing and was eventually found dead in a walk-in freezer of the hotel. Hotel staff and police didn’t help search for her until the afternoon. Apparently some surveillance video spotted her at the front desk. But no word if there is any more video.

I have worked at several hotel kitchens in my career, and this story just doesn’t add up. You cannot lock yourself in a walk-in cooler/freezer. Someone has to do it from the outside. It’s been code for a long, long time, and I find it impossible to believe a hotel in Rosemont would be in violation of this code.

And there has to be more surveillance video throughout the hotel.

If I were to speculate, hotel staff is protecting one of their own. I hope I am wrong to suspect foul play. Perhaps she simply passed out in the freezer (she had been drinking).

chicagotribune.com

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 14, 2017 • 7:37:04am
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Dr Lizardo  Sep 14, 2017 • 7:38:29am

re: #170 William Lewis

My ex-wife and I saw Grant Hart perform at the old O’Cayz Corral in Madison on Dec 31, 2000. After he got done playing we sat around and talked for quite a while. He was a kind and erudite man and I enjoyed the moment considerably.

Regrettably, his was the last show there as it burned down Jan 1, 2001 from a cigarette butt in the trash in the comedy club next door.

I saw Hüsker Dü at the old Pine Street Theater in Portland, OR - it was the tour for “Warehouse: Songs and Stories”. Had the chance to meet Hart, Bob Mould and Greg Norton. All of them were mingling with the audience, talking, autographs.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 14, 2017 • 7:40:49am

re: #175 GlutenFreeJesus

….this story just doesn’t add up. You cannot lock yourself in a walk-in cooler/freezer. Someone has to do it from the outside. It’s been code for a long, long time

Yeah, from what I understand, it’s impossible to lock yourself in. I know it’s a common TV/movie trope, but that’s all it is.

Sounds suspicious.

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I cannot.  Sep 14, 2017 • 7:47:56am
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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 14, 2017 • 7:48:51am

re: #95 freetoken

The Loss-of-God Problem has been discussed by many over many years. It is attributed to the world wars in Europe, for eroding any pretense of “Christianity” in European society.

That National Racists Online are squealing is just part of their gig now. In the old days they’d embrace the atheist right (Ayn Rand, etc.)

But today in America the revanchism has definite religious undertones.

I don’t believe the old NR ever supported Ayn Rand. William Buckley detested her because of her atheism.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 14, 2017 • 7:49:46am

re: #179 I cannot.

This is fine…

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makeitstop  Sep 14, 2017 • 7:51:12am

Someone is clearly enjoying this.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 14, 2017 • 7:52:38am

re: #135 b.d. (bill d.)

Missed the entire Trump/Dem dinner news cycle.

Apparently Trump promised something to someone and later denied it?

Shocked!!

Unless you have an actual recording (both audio and visual), he will deny anything. And, actually, even if there exist both audio and visual, he will still deny it.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 14, 2017 • 7:54:24am

re: #182 makeitstop

Someone is clearly enjoying this.

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After looking at the screenshots, now I’m curious what “HA HA HA…” means in Hindi.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 14, 2017 • 7:55:00am

re: #182 makeitstop

If everyone just responded to every one of his tweets that way….

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ObserverArt  Sep 14, 2017 • 7:59:16am

re: #133 lawhawk

lawhawk @lawhawk
Considering you already decided that transgendered servicemembers can’t serve? Yes, you do. Not just DREAMers, but anyone you don’t like
9:39 AM - Sep 14, 2017

I have a feeling that after Mattis spends six months “studying” the transgenders in the military issue it will never be heard of again and nothing will be done as far as change.

It will be like all those threats to sue Trump tosses around. They all seem to wither away and get replaced by the next blowup and threat.

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makeitstop  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:03:23am

re: #186 ObserverArt

I have a feeling that after Mattis spends six months “studying” the transgenders in the military issue it will never be heard of again and nothing will be done as far as change.

It will be like all those threats to sue Trump tosses around. They all seem to wither away and get replaced by the next blowup and threat.

And his cultists will swear up and down that TG service members were shown the door, because Trump said it a couple of times.

Being the Perfect Leader is a snap when your followers have the collective IQ of a ball of dryer lint.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:06:10am

re: #187 makeitstop

And his cultists will swear up and down that TG service members were shown the door, because Trump said it a couple of times.

Being the Perfect Leader is a snap when your followers have the collective IQ of a ball of dryer lint.

Also, The Wall is already built. DJT can go down to the parts of the border where a fence is and say, Here is the great Wall I had built, and the Trumpbots will love it. Obamacare has also been repealed because.

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Franklin  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:09:25am

Just finished reading this story about a local hockey prodigy that had a brief stint in the NHL. He was (allegedly) molested by his coach when he was 13 and combined with a neck injury as an adult, was hooked on pain medication.

When the money ran out he started abusing heroin and died of an overdose while waiting to be the lead witness in prosecution against his accuser.

Such a tragic tale.

bostonglobe.com

Now, take out the hockey part of it. Sexual abusers, especially with children, can come from any power dynamic. Also, substitute the neck injury from playing hockey with any workplace or other type of injury. That is how we are where we are now with the opiod crisis.

If every person that overdosed got a write up as beautiful as the one linked above, there would be so much more sympathy for those with addictions.

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ObserverArt  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:11:12am

re: #162 The Vicious Babushka

The MOAR FASCIST THAN FOX network OAN thinks Beyonce is WORSER THEN TEH HITLERS for her hurricane relief speech.

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OAN is such a joke. They always manage to get all of their adjectives in every report.

Such as “these radical fascist left activists” and “baseless, agenda driven junk science tripe”

That’s talent. Now, diagram those sentences!

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:13:07am

re: #182 makeitstop

I like that Twitter wants to translate the laughing from Hindi.

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makeitstop  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:13:12am

re: #188 Sir John Barron

Also, The Wall is already built. DJT can go down to the parts of the border where a fence is and say, Here is the great Wall I had built, and the Trumpbots will love it. Obamacare has also been repealed because.

The Rude Pundit put up a post prior to the election that called all of it - that those ‘phony’ employment numbers would suddenly become 100% reliable, that Obama’s ‘failed’ foreign policy would suddenly become Trump’s amazingly successful foreign policy, that the ‘disastrous’ economy would suddenly become ‘great.’

I wish I could find it so I could shove it down Trumpers’ throats.

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ObserverArt  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:15:56am

re: #180 Hecuba’s daughter

I don’t believe the old NR ever supported Ayn Rand. William Buckley detested her because of her atheism.

Whut?

I thought Buckley and Rand were both into the religion of me-ism and money?

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Targetpractice  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:16:22am

re: #192 makeitstop

The Rude Pundit put up a post prior to the election that called all of it - that those ‘phony’ employment numbers would suddenly become 100% reliable, that Obama’s ‘failed’ foreign policy would suddenly become Trump’s amazingly successful foreign policy, that the ‘disastrous’ economy would suddenly become ‘great.’

I wish I could find it so I could shove it down Trumpers’ throats.

Rude wasn’t predicting anything that most of us hadn’t already known was going to happen months before the election. Whichever Republican was running, they were going to lie their asses off about how good things were, portraying the country as being on the precipice of collapse into a third-world nation unless we put them in the White House. Trump and Sanders played the same card, taking the promises of their opponents and boosting them way out into the stratosphere without any idea how they were going to make any of it happen.

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I cannot.  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:18:35am

re: #190 ObserverArt

That’s talent. Now, diagram those sentences!

It is at this point that I would use my safeword…

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ObserverArt  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:19:28am

re: #187 makeitstop

And his cultists will swear up and down that TG service members were shown the door, because Trump said it a couple of times.

Being the Perfect Leader is a snap when your followers have the collective IQ of a ball of dryer lint.

re: #188 Sir John Barron

Also, The Wall is already built. DJT can go down to the parts of the border where a fence is and say, Here is the great Wall I had built, and the Trumpbots will love it. Obamacare has also been repealed because.

Fits in with Obama shirking his duties during Katrina.

Wingnut is a religion. You have to believe in the word.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:22:00am

re: #196 ObserverArt

Fits in with Obama shirking his duties during Katrina.

Wingnut is a religion. You have to believe in the word.

It’s not like ‘reality’ was accepted during the campaign. Why would it be now during Dump’s presidency?

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Decatur Deb  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:22:02am

re: #193 ObserverArt

Whut?

I thought Buckley and Rand were both into the religion of me-ism and money?

Buckley professed strong Catholicism, at an end of the spectrum opposite the Berrigan brothers. Today he’d be lunching with the paleo-catholics.

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William Lewis  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:22:47am

re: #193 ObserverArt

Whut?

I thought Buckley and Rand were both into the religion of me-ism and money?

But he was Catholic and so a Believer in the True Religion. It’s one of the reasons he makes me want to barf at his pretenses. Even though their political goals were the same he couldn’t even pretend long enough to use her to further his aims. Were it legal, I have no doubt he’d simply have had her killed.

Just another Lawful Evil racist pig.

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William Lewis  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:26:14am

re: #198 Decatur Deb

Buckley professed strong Catholicism, at an end of the spectrum opposite the Berrigan brothers. Today he’d be lunching with the paleo-catholics.

Arguably he was one of the first. Refering to the social justice teachings, Mater Si, Magistra No

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I cannot.  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:28:07am

re: #199 William Lewis

I’ve noticed that most Lawful Evil people are in fact Neutral Evil. They care more about being a dick than they care about The System. Likewise with Chaotic Evil, they’re USUALLY not actually chaotic, unless they’re truly crazy, or unless they’re from the Abyss…

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William Lewis  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:34:39am

re: #201 I cannot.

I’ve noticed that most Lawful Evil people are in fact Neutral Evil. They care more about being a dick than they care about The System. Likewise with Chaotic Evil, they’re USUALLY not actually chaotic, unless they’re truly crazy, or unless they’re from the Abyss…

With him I was explicitly choosing Lawful because his whole life was spent in trying to use the law and legal system to enforce his racist and fascist beliefs. Ayn Rand & JBS were like you said - more interested in being dicks - so he was quick to jettison them while snuggling up with the worst elements in the GOP infrastructure.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:36:14am

re: #63 JordanRules

Motel 6 chimes in. They know this isn’t good for business on a number of levels.

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I tweeted Tom Bodett yesterday asking for His help.

Brownshirts. There been doing it since February.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:39:32am
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makeitstop  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:43:41am

re: #204 Backwoods_Sleuth

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AWWW!

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JordanRules  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:51:03am

re: #204 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’ll take one in each color please!

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MsJ  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:53:36am

re: #47 Belafon

This is good: m.dailykos.com.

re: #50 JordanRules

A+ thread!

That tweet thread was very good. Some of the comments over there pissed me the fuck off. I had to chime in.

It’s like they see it but can’t wrap their heads around it. As a woman, it especially ticked me off to see how some guys responded. No, not everyone is a misogynist. But many just couldn’t grasp how what happened to Hillary - and continues to happen - is infuriating to all women and how we internalize it - because it HAS happened to almost all of us (not at the POTUS level, of course, but in real life).

Some people…! GAH!

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JordanRules  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:56:42am

re: #207 MsJ

I’m not surprised. SMH
That’s why I ran outta there after about 5 comments. Wanted to keep that ‘fired up’ feeling.

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electrotek  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:57:30am

re: #53 alloutofcrazyhere

Terror in Resonance involves domestic terrorism in Japan. Although there’s no specific connection to real world issues. I do applaud the use of cryptocurrency in the show though.

Trailer link

Link

There is some 9/11 like imagery in there. If I remember, it’s in the first episode.

Edited for clarity.

Must check that out. Cheers.

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JordanRules  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:58:11am

Keep trolling madam Secretary!!

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ObserverArt  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:01:36am

re: #204 Backwoods_Sleuth

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What is the story with Office Edith? Not familiar with her and not sure of her take in this tweet.

Cute puppers…with some casual tongue slip.

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I cannot.  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:07:00am

re: #211 ObserverArt

Officer Edith is the San Francisco Animal Control (there is no actual Officer Edith). Foreground doggie is grossed out by us looking right at him.

Excellent follow for cuteness.

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JordanRules  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:07:04am

re: #211 ObserverArt

Bein snarky. Advocates for San Francisco animal shelter, SFACC. Good animal peeps!

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:07:31am
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Ace-o-aces  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:10:00am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:13:17am
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nowherenorth2  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:14:28am

re: #216 Backwoods_Sleuth

So much winning

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ObserverArt  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:16:26am

re: #212 I cannot.

Officer Edith is the San Francisco Animal Control (there is no actual Officer Edith). Foreground doggie is grossed out by us looking right at him.

Excellent follow for cuteness.

re: #213 JordanRules

Bein snarky. Advocates for San Francisco animal shelter, SFACC. Good animal peeps!

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Thanks! I figured it was something like that going on. It helps to know the story.

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electrotek  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:16:57am

Rohingya group denies ties to extremist groups

In a statement released on Thursday, ARSA said it had “no links with al-Qaeda, the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIS), Lashkar-e-Taiba or any other transnational terrorist group”.

In its statement, ARSA used ISIS to refer to the armed ISIL group.

It said it did not welcome the involvement of any of those entities in the conflict and called on countries in the region “to prevent terrorists from entering Arakan and making a bad situation worse”.

This is what I’ve been saying all along, that Rohingya groups know very well how toxic ANY association with Da’esh or AQ can be for their cause.

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JordanRules  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:18:09am

She prolly should have interned with Pelosi or something before taking this job.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:18:57am

re: #218 ObserverArt

Thanks! I figured it was something like that going on. It helps to know the story.

Article that will also help:

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:20:12am

re: #216 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:20:49am

re: #219 electrotek

Rohingya group denies ties to extremist groups

This is what I’ve been saying all along, that Rohingya groups know very well how toxic ANY association with Da’esh or AQ can be for their cause.

But there Muslims!!!

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jeffreyw  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:21:13am
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Belafon  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:24:27am

re: #224 jeffreyw

Don’t give Ryan-McConnell-Trump any ideas.

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Targetpractice  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:24:44am

re: #220 JordanRules

She prolly should have interned with Pelosi or something before taking this job.

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And yet the media will continue as it has for months: Looking to her to influence daddy to be a nice guy.

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MsJ  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:24:48am

re: #162 The Vicious Babushka

The MOAR FASCIST THAN FOX network OAN thinks Beyonce is WORSER THEN TEH HITLERS for her hurricane relief speech.

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OAN is on the cable network in Lansing, Mi. I spent an overnight there last weekend. I was…surprised to say the least.

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MsJ  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:25:31am

re: #169 Sir John Barron

Sucks that Verizon includes this and Newsmax TV in my cable package. Isn’t Faux bad enough?

My hotel in Lansing must have had Verizon because I had both Newsmax and OAN in the hotel room.

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:26:02am
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electrotek  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:27:05am

Uh, “if”?

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makeitstop  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:27:56am

Javanka: ‘We’re going to China!’

Sane people: ‘Yeah, hold up.’

Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner’s trip to China may have been cancelled because some officials in the White House decided the couple were not suitable to make preparations for US President Donald Trump’s visit to Beijing.

Douglas Paal, vice-president for studies in the Asia programme at Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, said John Kelly, the chief of staff of the White House, did not think Kushner would be an appropriate channel even though he helped to establish contacts between China and US officials in the past.

He said the preparation for Trump’s visit should be made through appropriate channels, for example, through Chinese state councillor Yang Jiechi.

Hee hee hee…

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:28:00am

re: #227 MsJ

OAN is on the cable network in Lansing, Mi. I spent an overnight there last weekend. I was…surprised to say the least.

Their HQ is in San Diego, just a few miles from my house. Across the street from the Costco. I’m not sure why this fact amuses me.

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Belafon  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:28:06am

re: #230 electrotek

Uh, “if”?

“If I don’t hear about them, did they actually happen?”

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alloutofcrazyhere  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:28:31am

re: #209 electrotek

It’s a good show overall, but the second half of it loses focus.

Specifically, I’d say that the first half of it is great, but the second part suffers from some misdirection.

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Targetpractice  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:28:39am

I love how every person that the media has portrayed as the supposed “voice of morality” in the White House has by now stood up and said “I have no influence whatsoever.”

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Stanley Sea  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:36:40am

Pitiful.

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Targetpractice  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:37:55am

re: #236 Stanley Sea

Pitiful.

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At least this time they got it through their thick skulls that being walking billboards looked tacky as hell. That should last at least another…12 hours.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:37:59am
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makeitstop  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:38:47am

re: #236 Stanley Sea

Pitiful.

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No ‘FLOTUS’ on Mel’s hat this time?

She probably told Fatass that she wouldn’t wear it, and he gave her an unmarked one.

‘If I’m wearing a hat, you’re wearing a hat.’

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:40:33am

re: #239 makeitstop

No ‘FLOTUS’ on Mel’s hat this time?

She probably told Fatass that she wouldn’t wear it, and he gave her an unmarked one.

‘If I’m wearing a hat, you’re wearing a hat.’

FLOTUSam and JETUSam

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:40:40am

re: #238 The Vicious Babushka

Senior Adviser AND DAUGHTER of the President says she has no influence on him.

She allegedly also has some wonderful beachfront property in Arizona she can sell us.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:41:23am

re: #239 makeitstop

No ‘FLOTUS’ on Mel’s hat this time?

She probably told Fatass that she wouldn’t wear it, and he gave her an unmarked one.

‘If I’m wearing a hat, you’re wearing a hat.’

I can totally see Trump being this petty.

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Skip Intro  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:41:41am

re: #214 Ace-o-aces

I see he’s selling hats at a disaster site again.

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I cannot.  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:43:56am

Friend of mine caught a dumb one on Twatter.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:44:43am

re: #231 makeitstop

Javanka: ‘We’re going to China!’

Sane people: ‘Yeah, hold up.’

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Hee hee hee…

The national people’s congress, which meets every five years, will convene next month. China’s government basically locks everything down in Beijing well in advance of these meetings, to avoid embarrassing situations. Having the daughter and son-in-law of an unhinged world leader visit China, would sure qualify as one. Besides, Kushner’s visa-for-pay effort in China was shut down, because it was bad press for everyone.

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lawhawk  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:46:13am

re: #235 Targetpractice

It is curious how that works.

Everyone’s at the book burning and brought their own torches and books, but as the fire rages out of control, each claim that they didn’t have a role or weren’t significant to the fire.

Next up on the list of excuses…. “I was just following orders”.

As a reminder, neither is a successful defense against various criminal charges.

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:46:17am

re: #233 Belafon

“If I don’t hear about them, did they actually happen?”

Like blackout drunk, “If I don’t remember it, it didn’t happen!”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:47:11am

LOLOLOLOLOL

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I cannot.  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:50:48am

re: #248 Backwoods_Sleuth

Coulter made an actually funny joke. *begins furiously checking religious texts for signs of the end times*

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:51:27am

re: #246 lawhawk

It is curious how that works.

Everyone’s at the book burning and brought their own torches and books, but as the fire rages out of control, each claim that they didn’t have a role or weren’t significant to the fire.

Next up on the list of excuses…. “I was just following orders”.

As a reminder, neither is a successful defense against various criminal charges.

Yes I’m a minion of Satan, but my duties are mostly ceremonial.

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Targetpractice  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:51:44am

re: #249 I cannot.

Coulter made an actually funny joke. *begins furiously checking religious texts for signs of the end times*

I’m not saying it’s the End Times, but I just saw four guys ride by on horseback.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:52:17am

re: #251 Targetpractice

I’m not saying it’s the End Times, but I just saw four guys ride by on horseback.

Was one a pale horse?

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:52:20am

re: #236 Stanley Sea

The entire family is like a group of aliens trying to imitate human behavior…and failing!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:53:41am
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Targetpractice  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:54:41am

re: #246 lawhawk

It is curious how that works.

Everyone’s at the book burning and brought their own torches and books, but as the fire rages out of control, each claim that they didn’t have a role or weren’t significant to the fire.

Next up on the list of excuses…. “I was just following orders”.

As a reminder, neither is a successful defense against various criminal charges.

This really feels more like something a lawyer told her to say, i.e. “There’s no way I could have any part in his crimes because I’ve not influence over him!”

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makeitstop  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:57:34am

Heh

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 14, 2017 • 10:03:16am

re: #253 Ace-o-aces

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The entire family is like a group of aliens trying to imitate human behavior…and failing!

3rd Cuck from the Sun

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lawhawk  Sep 14, 2017 • 10:03:20am

re: #248 Backwoods_Sleuth

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William Lewis  Sep 14, 2017 • 10:05:20am

re: #251 Targetpractice

I’m not saying it’s the End Times, but I just saw four guys ride by on horseback.

I prefer the image in Good Omens of four Harley riding bikers…

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lawhawk  Sep 14, 2017 • 10:07:32am
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Dr Lizardo  Sep 14, 2017 • 10:08:13am

re: #258 lawhawk

The gnashing of teeth, tearing of hair and rending of garments continues apace in the RW corners of the intertubes.

And it’s glorious.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 14, 2017 • 10:09:31am

re: #260 lawhawk

I’m sure he means for Scott to run for the Senate seat held by the Democrat (and Rubio was just re-elected).

Then again, DJT gets off on belittling people, especially people he’s “beaten”.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 14, 2017 • 10:09:43am

re: #261 Dr Lizardo

The gnashing of teeth, tearing of hair and rending of garments continues apace in the RW corners of the intertubes.

And it’s glorious.

I wonder if we’ll have President Pence by years end?

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lawhawk  Sep 14, 2017 • 10:12:10am
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Targetpractice  Sep 14, 2017 • 10:12:50am

re: #260 lawhawk

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So he’s done a two-fer: He’s made Rubio squirm and he’s given Scott the kiss-of-death.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 14, 2017 • 10:13:29am

re: #261 Dr Lizardo

The gnashing of teeth, tearing of hair and rending of garments continues apace in the RW corners of the intertubes.

And it’s glorious.

‘Repealing Obamacare’, ‘locking up’ Hillary Clinton. These were all amusing features of DJT’s campaign, but for the True Believers, ‘immigration’ was the meat and potatoes. Then Drumpf upped the ante by announcing his intention to end the DACA program. Now it appears he’s reneging on the whole thing and worse, cavorting with the hateful Dems to do it.

It is most glorious.

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scottslemmons  Sep 14, 2017 • 10:15:14am

re: #254 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Doctorow is depressingly dumb depressingly often. Such a techno-utopian, he probably sides with the viruses.

I always have to check the book reviews on Boing Boing to see who wrote them. Doctorow’s reviews have just led me to so many unreadable books.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 14, 2017 • 10:15:14am

re: #262 Sir John Barron

I’m sure he means for Scott to run for the Senate seat held by the Democrat (and Rubio was just re-elected).

Then again, DJT gets off on belittling people, especially people he’s “beaten”.

Trump is so malicious I wouldn’t put it past him to retire from the presidency after one term, then run for the Senate against Rubio in 2022. He has a palace in Florida after all.

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Targetpractice  Sep 14, 2017 • 10:15:24am

re: #266 Sir John Barron

‘Repealing Obamacare’, ‘locking up’ Hillary Clinton. These were all amusing features of DJT’s campaign, but for the True Believers, ‘immigration’ was the meat and potatoes. Then Drumpf upped the ante by announcing his intention to end the DACA program. Now it appears he’s reneging on the whole thing and worse, cavorting with the hateful Dems to do it.

It is most glorious.

And he’s doing it for one reason and one reason alone: He needs a “win.” He feels the need to get something that he can point to and say “I made that happen.” Right now, he has nothing, or at least nothing that helps him with anybody but his brain-dead base.

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petesh  Sep 14, 2017 • 10:18:10am

re: #269 Targetpractice

And he’s doing it for one reason and one reason alone: He needs a “win.” He feels the need to get something that he can point to and say “I made that happen.” Right now, he has nothing, or at least nothing that helps him with anybody but his brain-dead base.

Agreed. But unfortunately for him, when The Trump Presidency® goes bankrupt, he will be personally liable. Whoopsie.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 14, 2017 • 10:20:11am

re: #253 Ace-o-aces

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The entire family is like a group of aliens trying to imitate human behavior…and failing!

That’s the assault handshake. It’s so lame. Everyone knows about it already and has their counter-move planned out in advance.

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I cannot.  Sep 14, 2017 • 10:20:27am
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Dr Lizardo  Sep 14, 2017 • 10:22:04am

re: #263 Eclectic Cyborg

I wonder if we’ll have President Pence by years end?

The cynic in me would actually like to see Trump stay on……not because of any liking for him or his risible policies, but because he is infinitely malleable.

He can be played like a Stradivarius - all it takes is the right musician. And Schumer and Pelosi seem to understand this. Keep playing the tune, hit all the right notes, and Trump’s base will abandon him in short order; with any luck, the base will become so thoroughly dispirited they’ll choose to sit out next year’s mid-terms en masse.

Sometimes, the best way to defeat your foe is not to confront them, but to sow defeatism within their ranks. Victory without firing a shot.

Feign inferiority and encourage his [the foe’s] arrogance. From Sun Tzu.

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Jebediah, RBG  Sep 14, 2017 • 10:29:02am

re: #34 wheat-dogg

Great!
I don’t believe that Johnny Cash would have been down with hateful racism and bigotry. I am glad the threats worked.

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jeffreyw  Sep 14, 2017 • 10:32:55am
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lawhawk  Sep 14, 2017 • 10:33:13am
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Jay C  Sep 14, 2017 • 10:35:19am

re: #266 Sir John Barron

‘Repealing Obamacare’, ‘locking up’ Hillary Clinton. These were all amusing features of DJT’s campaign, but for the True Believers, ‘immigration’ was the meat and potatoes. Then Drumpf upped the ante by announcing his intention to end the DACA program. Now it appears he’s reneging on the whole thing and worse, cavorting with the hateful Dems to do it.

It is most glorious.

And for that “base”, “immigration” has always been a barely-veiled code for “white supremacy”, and hard-line enforcement policies a way to put bigoted prejudices against anyone the Trump True Believers don’t define as sufficiently “Real American” (definitions may vary: I know what standards I think they will apply) into action.

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 14, 2017 • 10:36:48am

re: #274 Jebediah, RBG

Great!
I don’t believe that Johnny Cash would have been down with hateful racism and bigotry. I am glad the threats worked.

I posted a song Cash wrote with Scruggs a while back around 2001, one verse went like this:

I have turned my back on hatred
Lyin’, prejudice, and greed
Found the future in the present
Found hope within a seed

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makeitstop  Sep 14, 2017 • 10:37:20am

re: #273 Dr Lizardo

The cynic in me would actually like to see Trump stay on……not because of any liking for him or his risible policies, but because he is infinitely malleable.

He can be played like a Stradivarius - all it takes is the right musician. And Schumer and Pelosi seem to understand this. Keep playing the tune, hit all the right notes, and Trump’s base will abandon him in short order; with any luck, the base will become so thoroughly dispirited they’ll choose to sit out next year’s mid-terms en masse.

Sometimes, the best way to defeat your foe is not to confront them, but to sow defeatism within their ranks. Victory without firing a shot.

Feign inferiority and encourage his [the foe’s] arrogance. From Sun Tzu.

The joint statement Chuck & Nancy (LOL) put out last night was utter genius. They beat the White House to the punch, outlined what they wanted out of the deal, and couched it in verbiage that made it sound like it was a done deal (whether it is or not).

Brilliant on many levels. They White House is back on its heels, the base is freaking out, and even high-profile Trumpers are taking shots at him this morning.

I have to believe that Schumer (who’s dealt with Trump’s shit for years) came up with this strategy, and Pelosi has the smarts to frame it just so.

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JordanRules  Sep 14, 2017 • 10:38:49am

re: #275 jeffreyw

That was amazing!!! More museum wars please.

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Skip Intro  Sep 14, 2017 • 10:38:59am

282
jaunte  Sep 14, 2017 • 10:42:03am

Photoshop, Forrest.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 14, 2017 • 10:43:41am

re: #279 makeitstop

The joint statement Chuck & Nancy (LOL) put out last night was utter genius. They beat the White House to the punch, outlined what they wanted out of the deal, and couched it in verbiage that made it sound like it was a done deal (whether it is or not).

Brilliant on many levels. They White House is back on its heels, the base is freaking out, and even high-profile Trumpers are taking shots at him this morning.

I have to believe that Schumer (who’s dealt with Trump’s shit for years) came up with this strategy, and Pelosi has the smarts to frame it just so.

I think Schumer has a pretty decent grasp on how to deal with Trump. I’ve dealt with people like Trump before in my own life; such people are easily lead by appealing not to their logic or reason but to their vanity. And the more “alpha” they think they are, the easier it is to lead them around by the nose.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Sep 14, 2017 • 10:44:29am

Quiz from Slate:

Guess Whether These Headlines Came From Breitbart or 1920s KKK Newspapers

14/16 The language/grammar gives many away, but they are all very close.

285
jaunte  Sep 14, 2017 • 10:46:42am

re: #284 I Would Prefer Not To

286
Belafon  Sep 14, 2017 • 10:48:14am

re: #285 jaunte

So postmodernism is really just 12th century thought.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 14, 2017 • 10:52:18am
288
klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 14, 2017 • 10:54:27am

No worries, my parents installed a whole house generator after Sandy, so the hurricane repellent field is in full effect.

/

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makeitstop  Sep 14, 2017 • 10:59:24am

re: #288 klys (maker of Silmarils)

[Embedded content]

No worries, my parents installed a whole house generator after Sandy, so the hurricane repellent field is in full effect.

/

I kinda don’t need this…stay away, Jose!

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lawhawk  Sep 14, 2017 • 11:00:45am

re: #288 klys (maker of Silmarils)

That hurricane/extratropical cyclone repellent better be maximum strength, because most folks (and most infrastructure) still isn’t in any way prepared for another Sandy.

The critical infrastructure was fixed to get it up and working again, but it’s taken years to do the rebuilding of things like the Montague Street subway tunnel (just one of a dozen or so tunnels flooded out by the Sandy flooding). The Hudson River tunnels for the NEC require replacement tunnels to be built (Gateway) before they can do the critical work.

Some infrastructure was fortified - raising it out of the flood plain, building waterproofing, etc., but much more remains to be done.

291
Sir John Barron  Sep 14, 2017 • 11:01:19am

re: #261 Dr Lizardo

The gnashing of teeth, tearing of hair and rending of garments continues apace in the RW corners of the intertubes.

And it’s glorious.

Have we entered THE CLINTONS FORCED TRUMP ON THE REPUBLICANS! territory yet?

292
EPR-radar  Sep 14, 2017 • 11:05:33am

re: #284 I Would Prefer Not To

Quiz from Slate:

Guess Whether These Headlines Came From Breitbart or 1920s KKK Newspapers

14/16 The language/grammar gives many away, but they are all very close.

11/16 here. I saw no difference in tone or content, so the only available clues were purely language and word choice.

293
Dr Lizardo  Sep 14, 2017 • 11:07:48am

re: #291 Sir John Barron

Have we entered THE CLINTONS FORCED TRUMP ON THE REPUBLICANS! territory yet?

Give it a few more months.

294
EPR-radar  Sep 14, 2017 • 11:08:22am

re: #286 Belafon

So postmodernism is really just 12th century thought.

Not really. In the 12th century, better ways of thinking weren’t known.

Political postmodernism as practiced by the GOP is the rejection of thinking that works (rational, evidence-based, scientific etc.) in favor of word-stuff and spectacle that makes their wretched base feel good about themselves.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 14, 2017 • 11:09:30am

re: #278 Eventual Carrion

I posted a song Cash wrote with Scruggs a while back around 2001, one verse went like this:

I have turned my back on hatred
Lyin’, prejudice, and greed
Found the future in the present
Found hope within a seed

Cash was a man who hit bottom, found both God and a good woman, and applied all his experiences to his religion. Rather than preach empty words, he did as Jesus taught. I have the greatest respect for Cash, both as a man and a musician.

296
jaunte  Sep 14, 2017 • 11:09:40am
297
Dr Lizardo  Sep 14, 2017 • 11:10:39am

Well, good night Lizards. Up early for work tomorrow.

298
Stanley Sea  Sep 14, 2017 • 11:13:02am

Is anyone talking about how the yam & pence both took planes down to FL?

AF1 & AF2

Fiscal conservatism.

299
Charles Johnson  Sep 14, 2017 • 11:13:24am
300
Jebediah, RBG  Sep 14, 2017 • 11:14:56am

re: #57 Timothy Watson

It’s fun when you wake up at 2:00 am with heartburn/indigestion so bad you think you’re going to throw up.

It is the fucking worst! My wife had it so bad not too long ago that I was about to rush her to the hospital cuz we thought she might be having some kind of cardiac event.

301
The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 14, 2017 • 11:15:18am

re: #286 Belafon

So postmodernism is really just 12th century thought.

Anthropologist with a heavy dose of postmodernist reading here.

Postmodernism was basically academics studying how people think within cultural frames, recognizing patterns, and then noting that people still think in ways that are heuristic and based around narratives (learned from their culture)…and that as such people can and will see beliefs and behaviors as both sensible (coherent) and moral by fitting them into their existing framework of just-so stories. So on one had, base assumptions and core beliefs could be powerful enough to override what just observably happening, but on the other, base assumptions and core beliefs could be back-filled with new content as long as the new ideas were presented in manner that mimicked the style and form of the old ideas.

In other words…people don’t think the way the Enlightenment tells us, and formal “reason” and “empiricism” are being treated as another tool, not as an objectively better way of handling reality.

This is was not presented as a prescription, but a description.

And while some of them disappeared up their asses with excessive meta-analysis, others were canaries in the coal mine about how people were actually thinking and the consequences thereof.

Almost all of the bigger “thoughts” I have on this board come from applying postmodern thinking to the last forty years of politics.

Back in the 90s it was a thing in right-wing circles to rave about how postmodernism meant that kids were being taught that nothing means anything…and I’d propose that this was projection in just the same way that we talked about their other slanders as projection. They were slamming postmodernism while specifically created an enclosed culture in which there’s no “truth” beyond the needs of a few authority figures that create narratives.

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Cheechako  Sep 14, 2017 • 11:15:21am

re: #298 Stanley Sea

Is anyone talking about how the yam & pence both took planes down to FL?

AF1 & AF2

Fiscal conservatism.

I believe it’s policy that POTUS and VPOTUS do not travel on the same plane.
for security reasons.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 14, 2017 • 11:16:09am

re: #302 Cheechako

I believe it’s policy that POTUS and VPOTUS do not travel on the same plane.
for security reasons.

Ahh. Thanks.

304
wheat-dogg  Sep 14, 2017 • 11:16:28am

re: #298 Stanley Sea

Is anyone talking about how the yam & pence both took planes down to FL?

AF1 & AF2

Fiscal conservatism.

Maybe they don’t get along.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 14, 2017 • 11:18:10am

re: #302 Cheechako

I believe it’s policy that POTUS and VPOTUS do not travel on the same plane.
for security reasons.

That makes sense, too. ;-)

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Kragar  Sep 14, 2017 • 11:19:42am
307
Stanley Sea  Sep 14, 2017 • 11:22:04am

Bitching about the yam actually being a dem

Steve Deace just said “a dog always returns to his vomit”

on CNN

LOL

308
Belafon  Sep 14, 2017 • 11:23:14am

re: #306 Kragar

“Trump supports you holding your breath.”

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petesh  Sep 14, 2017 • 11:23:49am

re: #306 Kragar

Oh, lordy. So Trump agrees with the last person to catch his ear, and his fans agree with whatever he says? Just objectively, this is getting nuttier and nuttier. And the scariest implication is that when (if) Mueller reveals proof of prosecutable criminal actions, and Republicans in Congress are so frustrated that they actually impeach him, then the fans will stick with the shit, even if (as would then be likely) the Senate convicted him.

I don’t want to jump the gun here, but there is scary stuff ahead of us either way.

310
SteelPH  Sep 14, 2017 • 11:25:52am

re: #309 petesh

Think it’s easier to say they’re too stupid to think for themselves.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 14, 2017 • 11:26:06am

re: #293 Dr Lizardo

re: #307 Stanley Sea

We may be there already.

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Kragar  Sep 14, 2017 • 11:26:49am
313
Sir John Barron  Sep 14, 2017 • 11:27:14am

re: #306 Kragar

Telling Republicans that Trump supports liberal immigration policy… makes them support liberal immigration policy.
— sean

This is what they all said at my local George Soros club meeting when we agreed to back Trump to get liberal policies.

/

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Sir John Barron  Sep 14, 2017 • 11:27:52am

re: #312 Kragar

Fox & Friends: Maybe Trump Wall Was ‘Symbolic’
— Mediaite

Maybe the greatest F&F ever.

315
EPR-radar  Sep 14, 2017 • 11:27:59am

re: #309 petesh

Oh, lordy. So Trump agrees with the last person to catch his ear, and his fans agree with whatever he says? Just objectively, this is getting nuttier and nuttier. And the scariest implication is that when (if) Mueller reveals proof of prosecutable criminal actions, and Republicans in Congress are so frustrated that they actually impeach him, then the fans will stick with the shit, even if (as would then be likely) the Senate convicted him.

I don’t want to jump the gun here, but there is scary stuff ahead of us either way.

IMO there are two possibilities that would cause Congressional Republicans to get serious about impeaching tr*mp:

1) Polling for tr*mp among Republicans in their state or district goes unfavorable.

2) tr*mp screws up the GOP tax cut.

It looks like #1 is simply not going to happen, so I’m reduced to hoping that tr*mp makes a mess of taxes.

316
BeachDem  Sep 14, 2017 • 11:29:03am

re: #239 makeitstop

No ‘FLOTUS’ on Mel’s hat this time?

She probably told Fatass that she wouldn’t wear it, and he gave her an unmarked one.

‘If I’m wearing a hat, you’re wearing a hat.’

I’m sorry, but she looks even more ridiculous in a hat than he does.

317
jaunte  Sep 14, 2017 • 11:30:34am

The latest right wing anecdote for freak out purposes is College Park MD (pop. 30k or so) city council voting 4 to 3 to allow “undocumented immigrants, student visa holders and residents with green cards” to vote in local elections.

WaPo:
“Despite the passion on both sides, the impact of expanding voting rights to noncitizens has been minimal.”
washingtonpost.com

318
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 14, 2017 • 11:31:26am

re: #285 jaunte

Aspects of Postmodernism will be selectively appropriated by reactionary conservatives to destabilize commonly-held notions of evidence.

They will use whichever devices they think will serve their ends.

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makeitstop  Sep 14, 2017 • 11:31:36am

re: #315 EPR-radar

It looks like #1 is simply not going to happen, so I’m reduced to hoping that tr*mp makes a mess of taxes.

Hopefully it’ll follow the Obamacare Model:

1. House puts up a ridiculous bill
2. Senate tries ‘fixing’ it, making it slightly less Draconian
3. House rejects Senate version, saying it doesn’t go far enough
4. Trump shrugs and tweets that it’ll get done ‘later’

320
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 14, 2017 • 11:32:13am

re: #312 Kragar

Fox & Friends: Maybe Trump Wall Was ‘Symbolic

So is a phallus-shaped cucmber

321
makeitstop  Sep 14, 2017 • 11:32:22am

re: #316 BeachDem

I’m sorry, but she looks even more ridiculous in a hat than he does.

And that’s a far throw! :)

322
Sir John Barron  Sep 14, 2017 • 11:32:53am

re: #317 jaunte

The latest right wing anecdote for freak out purposes is College Park MD (pop. 30k or so) city council voting 4 to 3 to allow “undocumented immigrants, student visa holders and residents with green cards” to vote in local elections.

[Embedded content]

WaPo:
“Despite the passion on both sides, the impact of expanding voting rights to noncitizens has been minimal.”
washingtonpost.com

FWIW, College Park, MD is the home of the University of Maryland.

323
petesh  Sep 14, 2017 • 11:34:53am

re: #315 EPR-radar

Does anyone think Trump WON’T make a mess of taxes?

In roughly chronological order, over about three weeks, coming soon to a theater near you: “It’s the greatest reform in history. … It’s terribly mean. … Why do Democrats keep holding it up? … I’m not getting a tax break … Well, OK, maybe at the margins, just a little … I deserve it, look how many jobs I create … The Dow is going great, and it’ll hit 30,000 before I’m done with it …”

etc ad inf

324
Timothy Watson  Sep 14, 2017 • 11:35:15am

re: #317 jaunte

The latest right wing anecdote for freak out purposes is College Park MD (pop. 30k or so) city council voting 4 to 3 to allow “undocumented immigrants, student visa holders and residents with green cards” to vote in local elections.

[Embedded content]

WaPo:
“Despite the passion on both sides, the impact of expanding voting rights to noncitizens has been minimal.”
washingtonpost.com

Noncitizens were often allowed to vote in state/municipal elections back in the 1800s.

325
petesh  Sep 14, 2017 • 11:36:32am

re: #324 Timothy Watson

Noncitizens were often allowed to vote in state/municipal elections back in the 1800s.

That’s when we had good immigrants, the voluntary ones that is.

326
Jay C  Sep 14, 2017 • 11:36:44am

re: #298 Stanley Sea

Is anyone talking about how the yam & pence both took planes down to FL?

AF1 & AF2

Fiscal conservatism.

NO: probably standard security procedure; POTUS and VPOTUS aren’t supposed to take the same plane, ever: “just in case”.

Though why both (or either) of them had to go to Florida is another question…

ETA: Ooops! Slow to read the thread, sorry….!

327
Stanley Sea  Sep 14, 2017 • 11:38:13am

re: #316 BeachDem

I’m sorry, but she looks even more ridiculous in a hat than he does.

Probably the first time in her life she’s worn a cap.

328
KGxvi  Sep 14, 2017 • 11:41:35am

re: #315 EPR-radar

IMO there are two possibilities that would cause Congressional Republicans to get serious about impeaching tr*mp:

1) Polling for tr*mp among Republicans in their state or district goes unfavorable.

2) tr*mp screws up the GOP tax cut.

It looks like #1 is simply not going to happen, so I’m reduced to hoping that tr*mp makes a mess of taxes.

The Economist/YouGov poll I linked to last night shows Trump’s approval ratings among Republicans at 50% strongly approve, 30% somewhat approve. So 80% of Republicans approve of his performance to some degree. That seems very low for this early in a first term within the party (according to Gallup, going back to Reagan, only Clinton was doing worse among his own party at this point of his first term).

Usually the magic number for turning against a president from your own party, as an elected official, is somewhere around 70-75% approval within your own party. That Trump is so close, so early, suggests that he’s in a tenuous position.

329
KGxvi  Sep 14, 2017 • 11:50:33am

re: #328 KGxvi

As a follow up, Rueters shows Trumps approval among Republicans at 75% (41/29/5 strongly/somewhat/lean). Three polls at the same time showing him in the 75-80% range, and that’s before the last 15 hours of clusterfuckery on DACA/immigration/border security.

When I’ve looked at presidential approval ratings in the past, the patterns that I noticed is that they tend to hold steady and suddenly drop anywhere from five to ten points, and then stay steady for a while and then move again. And it’s always slower going up than going down. That seems to hold true within the president’s party as well, though the even with GW Bush bottomed out, his approval among Republicans was still in the 60% range.

Last thought: in the Rueters poll on page ten they have a map with approval ratings and trends. It does not look particularly good for the The President The Donald.

330
b.d. (bill d.)  Sep 14, 2017 • 11:51:55am

Who woulda figured that the wingnuts were talking about was going to be against the Trump base of yesterday vs. the Trump base of today?

331
Barefoot Grin  Sep 14, 2017 • 11:53:26am

OT: going to see Matthew Sweet with Tommy Keene warming up tonight. Should be a great show. I haven’t been out in a long time, esp. to see live music.

332
Flying Squirrel Girl  Sep 14, 2017 • 11:53:33am

So on my way to and from lunch, I tuned into Rush Limbaugh to see what he was saying. Essentially, he’s trying to spin the DACA/wall comment from Pelosi and Schumer to a win for Trump because they have had to “walk back” their comments this morning. The one caller I heard explained to Limbaugh that he really didn’t care if Trump worked with the Democrats to get legislation passed if McConnell and Ryan were only going to obstruct him.

This is some truly weird shit. Trump adopts whatever policy Pelosi and Schumer offer up, and all of a sudden his followers are cheering him for sticking it to his own party.

333
b.d. (bill d.)  Sep 14, 2017 • 11:53:43am

re: #330 b.d. (bill d.)

Who woulda figured that the wingnuts were talking about was going to be against the Trump base of yesterday vs. the Trump base of today?

Strike that, let me try again:

Who woulda figured that the civil war wingnuts were talking about was going to be against the Trump base of yesterday vs. the Trump base of today?

334
Sir John Barron  Sep 14, 2017 • 11:55:28am

re: #332 Flying Squirrel Girl

Essentially, he’s trying to spin the DACA/wall comment from Pelosi and Schumer to a win for Trump because they have had to “walk back” their comments this morning.

We’re winning! Really! We are. We’re winning! Shut up!

335
Barefoot Grin  Sep 14, 2017 • 11:58:07am

re: #334 Sir John Barron

We’re winning! Really! We are. We’re winning! Shut up!

On the other side I happened upon Mark Levin last night. He was in full meltdown. “I don’t wanna talk to Republicans because they don’t exist; none are interested in saving constitutional democracy; I wanna talk to liberal democrats—get some on the line.” And I was all—“it’s a trap!!”

336
makeitstop  Sep 14, 2017 • 12:01:22pm

re: #332 Flying Squirrel Girl

So on my way to and from lunch, I tuned into Rush Limbaugh to see what he was saying. Essentially, he’s trying to spin the DACA/wall comment from Pelosi and Schumer to a win for Trump because they have had to “walk back” their comments this morning. The one caller I heard explained to Limbaugh that he really didn’t care if Trump worked with the Democrats to get legislation passed if McConnell and Ryan were only going to obstruct him.

This is some truly weird shit. Trump adopts whatever policy Pelosi and Schumer offer up, and all of a sudden his followers are cheering him for sticking it to his own party.

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