Trump Can’t Help It: He’s Back to Claiming “Both Sides” Were Responsible for Violence in Charlottesville

The president of the US is not a well man
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We’ve seen this pattern over and over with Donald Trump. He says something grossly offensive or blatantly racist and/or sexist, there’s a huge public outcry, then he insincerely walks it back and his people jump in front of the cameras and do damage control.

Then, a few days or weeks later, he’ll go right back and say the same damned thing again that got him in trouble. You can tell it just eats away at his gargantuan ego to admit to any sort of mistake or offense, and he just can’t help himself. He has to repeat the grotesque statement that offended everyone, because he can’t stand to lose that all-important sense of dominance.

And he’s doing it again. When it was reported he would sign a congressional resolution calling on him to denounce white supremacist groups, I knew right away this was going to provoke him into one of his tortured backflips, and sure enough, today he resurrected his claim that “both sides” were responsible for the violence in Charlottesville.

He can’t help himself. He’s ruled by his narcissism.

Trump was characterizing his side of a conversation on Wednesday with Senator Tim Scott, Republican of South Carolina, during which Mr. Scott, the Senate’s only black Republican, said he confronted the president on his claim that “both sides” were responsible for the violence that followed a torchlight protest against the removal of a statue of Robert E. Lee.

“Especially in light of the advent of Antifa, if you look at what’s going on there, you know, you have some pretty bad dudes on the other side also,” Mr. Trump said, referring to the anti-fascist group that clashed with neo-Nazis and white supremacists.

Mr. Trump has offered constantly shifting statements about Charlottesville, alternately condemning the hate groups and declaring a moral equivalence between them and the counter-protesters. On Thursday, speaking to reporters on Air Force One, Mr. Trump reverted to the unapologetic stance he took in a news conference last month at Trump Tower.

“Now because of what’s happened since then, with Antifa, you look at really what’s happened since Charlottesville — a lot of people are saying — in fact, a lot of people have actually written, ‘Gee, Trump might have point,” Mr. Trump said. “I said, ‘You’ve got some very bad people on the other side, which is true.’”

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231 comments

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 14, 2017 • 4:54:20pm

CMIIW but only one side drove a motor vehicle into a crowd of people, killing one and injuring dozens.

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 14, 2017 • 4:54:45pm
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gocart mozart  Sep 14, 2017 • 4:59:22pm

LOL Chuck tells Mitch that Donny likes him better and that POTUS thinks Mitch is a poopyhead. Poor Turtle. Live CSpan audio/video

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MsJ  Sep 14, 2017 • 5:00:06pm

I think Facebook and Zuck are in trouble.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Sep 14, 2017 • 5:00:48pm

re: #2 Ace-o-aces

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The only way I would protest Ben is if someone made me listen to him.

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unproven innocence  Sep 14, 2017 • 5:01:49pm

So the fascists, neo-nazis and white supremacists are on Trump’s side, not the other side, according to Trump. As if that wasn’t clear already.

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electrotek  Sep 14, 2017 • 5:03:40pm

Repost from downstairs from the same state that banned Shariah law on the basis of encouraging violence and hate:

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 14, 2017 • 5:03:45pm

i don’t care how wonderfully peaceable and civil any particular nazi might be as they politely explain how they think it should be government policy to gas me and anybody like me

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Timothy Watson  Sep 14, 2017 • 5:03:53pm

re: #4 MsJ

I think Facebook and Zuck are in trouble.

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They need to perp-walk Zuckerberg et al. out of their offices.

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Amory Blaine  Sep 14, 2017 • 5:04:07pm

re: #1 The Vicious Babushka

Fake news!
//

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 14, 2017 • 5:04:10pm

re: #6 unproven innocence

So the fascists, neo-nazis and white supremacists are on Trump’s side, not the other side, according to Trump. As if that wasn’t clear already.

good point

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MsJ  Sep 14, 2017 • 5:04:17pm

I think someone was talking about this earlier. Looks like her fellow ESPN props did stuck up for her.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 14, 2017 • 5:05:48pm

The yam hates antifa because of the disruption to his big beautiful inauguration.

He probably watches clips of them over and over.

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electrotek  Sep 14, 2017 • 5:06:26pm
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Charles Johnson  Sep 14, 2017 • 5:06:54pm

Been going through a real headache with my Mac Pro desktop machine - it’s been freezing up at random intervals, and acting really sluggish on stuff that used to be very fast.

But I think I may have finally fixed it by resetting the System Memory Controller. You shut down and unplug the power for about a minute, and this resets the SMC. Restarted and so far it’s working much better. Whew, I was getting worried that it might be dying. I hope it doesn’t start running like molasses again.

Anyway, if you have a Mac and it starts acting sluggish and showing you the rotating beach ball of doom all the time, this is something you should try.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 14, 2017 • 5:07:32pm

re: #2 Ace-o-aces

Hey guys: Criticizing Ben Shapiro is not silencing him. It’s not censorship. It’s not intolerance. It’s… free speech.

this point is a little subtle for people who believe hillary clinton is running a child slavery ring from the basement of a pizzaria

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b.d. (bill d.)  Sep 14, 2017 • 5:08:53pm

re: #2 Ace-o-aces

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I can’t even begin to imagine the violent protests boring little Ben will incite!

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Ace Rothstein  Sep 14, 2017 • 5:09:59pm
a lot of people are saying — in fact, a lot of people have actually written, ‘Gee, Trump might have a point,” Mr. Trump said.

Wrong.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 14, 2017 • 5:13:26pm

I know some of you watch Morning Joke (I don’t), so maybe you’ll find this video amusing. An expert in body language analyzes how comedian Russel Brand basically takes over the team’s interview of him, and puts Mika in her place.

Body Language: Russel Brand

She gets very flustered in the second half.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 14, 2017 • 5:14:11pm

But wait - if 9/11 was ‘divine punishment’, wouldn’t that mean Al Qaeda was doing God’s Will? And if that’s true, when we attacked them in Afghanistan, weren’t we fighting against God’s Will?

Clearly, they don’t really think this shit through.

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lawhawk  Sep 14, 2017 • 5:17:14pm
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Ace-o-aces  Sep 14, 2017 • 5:19:06pm

re: #17 b.d. (bill d.)

I can’t even begin to imagine the violent protests boring little Ben will incite!

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Ben’s hoping to incite “antifa” beacuse he still is trying to ingratiate himself with the alt-right.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 14, 2017 • 5:20:44pm

Am I the only one who wonders what the hell Harvard was thinking hiring Chelsea Manning?

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Charles Johnson  Sep 14, 2017 • 5:25:46pm

Chuck C. Johnson had a court date in Fresno today, to explain why he shouldn’t be sanctioned for blowing off a previous court date. No word yet on whether he showed up this time.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Sep 14, 2017 • 5:25:49pm

re: #22 Ace-o-aces

Ben’s hoping to incite “antifa” beacuse he still is trying to ingratiate himself with the alt-right.

Ben can’t figure out why the nazis and white supremists won’t let him in their club.

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gocart mozart  Sep 14, 2017 • 5:26:47pm

Ha!

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Skip Intro  Sep 14, 2017 • 5:27:58pm
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Jack Burton  Sep 14, 2017 • 5:28:56pm

re: #23 Blind Frog Belly White

Am I the only one who wonders what the hell Harvard was thinking hiring Chelsea Manning?

I’m still wondering why she is at Harvard and not prison.

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Skip Intro  Sep 14, 2017 • 5:30:11pm

re: #26 gocart mozart

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JordanRules  Sep 14, 2017 • 5:30:25pm

re: #12 MsJ

Amazing solidarity!!!

Why’d they only ask the black talent to fill in?
Oh ESPN *sigh*

I worked with Elle briefly in radio in Atlanta. Very sweet.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 14, 2017 • 5:36:05pm

Interesting conversation with my Mom.

Talking about the people dying at the skilled nursing facility in Hollywood.

My Mom’s point = what if the patients had a DNR? It’s clipped to their beds ya know.

Point that their cause of death should have been prevented, but if they were dealing with a cardiac arrest or something else, what was the staff’s obligation?

Just a point I didn’t think of at all, of course me Mum did.

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ObserverArt  Sep 14, 2017 • 5:38:04pm

re: #9 Timothy Watson

They need to perp-walk Zuckerberg et al. out of their offices.

I bet you Zuckerberg is sweating, because the heat is on. Twitter is in the sites too.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 14, 2017 • 5:42:19pm
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JordanRules  Sep 14, 2017 • 5:42:42pm

re: #32 ObserverArt

I sure hope so!
Still seems like they haven’t reacted with more urgency. It had been pointed out that they can easily target and remove tens of thousands of the bad accounts because they had to in Germany and France and they did. The last report I saw, they touted disabling a little under 500.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 14, 2017 • 5:45:31pm

re: #33 FormerDirtDart

And it took him this fucking long to actually do it.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Sep 14, 2017 • 5:46:53pm

re: #33 FormerDirtDart

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So the only two things Trump has signed without cameras pointed at him is the Russian sanction bill and this one?

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lawhawk  Sep 14, 2017 • 5:46:57pm

re: #31 Stanley Sea

The staff’s obligation is still to do no harm. By failing to provide a safe environment, the facility hastened the condition leading to the death of the patient.

But for the HVAC system failing and no backup was available, these patients would not have died.

But for the HVAC system failing and no backup was available, these patients would not have been in a condition where a DNR would be required.

To confirm those - the key will be autopsies to determine COD and whether heat was the proximate cause of the death.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 14, 2017 • 5:47:26pm

re: #33 FormerDirtDart

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SEE SAW

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MsJ  Sep 14, 2017 • 5:49:56pm

re: #23 Blind Frog Belly White

Am I the only one who wonders what the hell Harvard was thinking hiring Chelsea Manning?

Nope. Or lewandowski or Spicer, for that matter. They all suck.

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dangerman  Sep 14, 2017 • 5:51:40pm

re: #31 Stanley Sea

Interesting conversation with my Mom.

Talking about the people dying at the skilled nursing facility in Hollywood.

My Mom’s point = what if the patients had a DNR? It’s clipped to their beds ya know.

Point that their cause of death should have been prevented, but if they were dealing with a cardiac arrest or something else, what was the staff’s obligation?

Just a point I didn’t think of at all, of course me Mum did.

thats like 15 miles from us.

irma was a cat 5 last week. beelining for broward/miami. that would have been devastating enough - a direct hit - just look at the keys

i was trying to get across to mrs dm (her first hurricane) that if you survive the initial catastrophic damage, it’s the after affects that can get you worse. no power say for a week means more or less no real food, no a/c in 90+ degrees, no hot water, etc—day and night—-. if the roads are blocked by downed power lines and/or trees, you’re not getting out either to resupply OR to run afterward. you’re on your own. those can be critical and dire circumstances all by themselves.

we did not mess around with irma

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MsJ  Sep 14, 2017 • 5:53:30pm

re: #31 Stanley Sea

Interesting conversation with my Mom.

Talking about the people dying at the skilled nursing facility in Hollywood.

My Mom’s point = what if the patients had a DNR? It’s clipped to their beds ya know.

Point that their cause of death should have been prevented, but if they were dealing with a cardiac arrest or something else, what was the staff’s obligation?

Just a point I didn’t think of at all, of course me Mum did.

I have a feeling that nobody signs a DNR expecting what I think was malfeasance in the parts of these supposed caretakers. That’s like saying “ok, murder me.” If I die of natural causes that’s one thing. Someone helping me along is another. By doing nothing they helped. A lot.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 14, 2017 • 5:54:37pm

O_O

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 14, 2017 • 5:54:44pm

re: #39 MsJ

Nope. Or lewandowski or Spicer, for that matter. They all suck.

The latter two, it might be worth it to make them sign high dollar, exclusive contracts so that they can’t give speeches, or write op/ed pieces, or lobby for anyone, and then give them nothing to do. Just keep them out of circulation.

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makeitstop  Sep 14, 2017 • 5:56:11pm

re: #42 Backwoods_Sleuth

O_O

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She’s a badass.

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MsJ  Sep 14, 2017 • 5:56:16pm

re: #43 Blind Frog Belly White

The latter two, it might be worth it to make them sign high dollar, exclusive contracts so that they can’t give speeches, or write op/ed pieces, or lobby for anyone, and then give them nothing to do. Just keep them out of circulation.

To shape young minds? Nope.

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dangerman  Sep 14, 2017 • 5:56:19pm

re: #33 FormerDirtDart

[Embedded content]And just getting word @POTUS has signed the Charlottesville Resolution.

sorry — this is crap on so many levels im not even gonna bother

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 14, 2017 • 5:57:23pm

re: #45 MsJ

To shape young minds? Nope.

Yeah, but you see, with MY plan, they can’t even do that.

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MsJ  Sep 14, 2017 • 5:57:57pm

re: #42 Backwoods_Sleuth

O_O

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It’s like another angle of that DKos thread about Hilary from last night. Women get it because we live it. Some guys get it. Some just don’t. The latter telling us how we should feel is like 😡.

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MsJ  Sep 14, 2017 • 5:58:57pm

re: #47 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah, but you see, with MY plan, they can’t even do that.

Ah. True cucks, then.

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teleskiguy  Sep 14, 2017 • 5:59:33pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:00:32pm

re: #48 MsJ

It’s like another angle of that DKos thread about Hilary from last night. Women get it because we live it. Some guys get it. Some just don’t. The latter telling us how we should feel is like 😡.

“No, no! That’s not misogyny! Let me explain why you’re wrong….”

That was also the nature of a number of comments on yet another FB post saying HRC should just go away, rather than publishing a book where she blames everyone but herself.

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MsJ  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:00:50pm

re: #48 MsJ

It’s like another angle of that DKos thread about Hilary from last night. Women get it because we live it. Some guys get it. Some just don’t. The latter telling us how we should feel is like 😡.

Since the thread at Kos was a tweetstorm, here is the thread (easier to read on twitter). In case anyone missed it.

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teleskiguy  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:01:11pm

The atmosphere finally got a decent scrubbing at my twenty, light steady rain this evening. I can see the mountains again!

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Stanley Sea  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:01:56pm

re: #41 MsJ

I have a feeling that nobody signs a DNR expecting what I think was malfeasance in the parts of these supposed caretakers. That’s like saying “ok, murder me.” If I die of natural causes that’s one thing. Someone helping me along is another. By doing nothing they helped. A lot.

I totally get this. But this is my Mom’s point.

She get’s that they caused the death, but her point was if I have a DNR, I want it honored.

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ObserverArt  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:03:31pm

re: #19 wheat-dogg

I know some of you watch Morning Joke (I don’t), so maybe you’ll find this video amusing. An expert in body language analyzes how comedian Russel Brand basically takes over the team’s interview of him, and puts Mika in her place.

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Video

She gets very flustered in the second half.

Amusing and fascinating.

I don’t know a whole lot about Brand, but he seems to be whip smart and knows human interaction and how to trigger people. I’m going to have to do some looking into his act. I’m thinking he is just a bit more than a little intense.

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MsJ  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:05:46pm

re: #54 Stanley Sea

I totally get this. But this is my Mom’s point.

She get’s that they caused the death, but her point was if I have a DNR, I want it honored.

I understand. I want a DNR for myself. But not like that.

I had to think about my response before posting it. Because I have no desire to be revived repeatedly or awaken, as it were, in a vegetative state. But this is, to me, exceptional.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:06:36pm

re: #18 Ace Rothstein

a lot of people are saying — in fact, a lot of people have actually written, ‘Gee, Trump might have a point,” Mr. Trump said.

Yeah, it’s on the top of his head.

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Unshaken Defiance  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:06:48pm

re: #31 Stanley Sea

Interesting conversation with my Mom.

Talking about the people dying at the skilled nursing facility in Hollywood.

My Mom’s point = what if the patients had a DNR? It’s clipped to their beds ya know.

Point that their cause of death should have been prevented, but if they were dealing with a cardiac arrest or something else, what was the staff’s obligation?

Just a point I didn’t think of at all, of course me Mum did.

To me that’s a little beside the point. The facilities management obligation is to maintain a safe place or go for evac. Generators enough to keep the place habitable. I have no idea about the staff, they may have cared a lot and lived a nightmare of dying patients despite the best they could do in the heat.

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dangerman  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:07:23pm

re: #46 dangerman

sorry — this is crap on so many levels im not even gonna bother

(the statement, not the signing)

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ObserverArt  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:07:29pm

re: #23 Blind Frog Belly White

Am I the only one who wonders what the hell Harvard was thinking hiring Chelsea Manning?

It really does seem to be part of a trend of bothsiderism in everything.

Everyone is just asking questions.

At one time education was all about questioning. Somehow though that has taken on a completely new meaning.

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NoSoapForYou  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:08:15pm

When I was a kid there was a mosque around the corner that used to ring bells every hour on the hour all day long. Also, it’s sneakily disguised itself as a church.

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Unshaken Defiance  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:08:27pm

re: #55 ObserverArt

Very bright and reads people extremely well. One of those guys that seems to have an overclocked brain.

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MsJ  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:09:49pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:10:01pm

re: #31 Stanley Sea

Also, when confronted with placing an elder, I will be asking about disaster contingencies.

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MsJ  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:12:00pm

re: #61 NoSoapForYou

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When I was a kid there was a mosque around the corner that used to ring bells every hour on the hour all day long. Also, it’s sneakily disguised itself as a church.

When I was in Italy, the church next to our apartment GONG’d every hour on the hour from 6:00 am until 10:00 pm.

Thankfully we were there only one night. It was miserable.

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ObserverArt  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:12:58pm

re: #32 ObserverArt

I bet you Zuckerberg is sweating, because the heat is on. Twitter is in the sites too.

Damn. Sights…not sites.

That’s what I get posting while working on a web sight site.

And I ran out of edit time.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:13:15pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:13:51pm

re: #53 teleskiguy

The atmosphere finally got a decent scrubbing at my twenty, light steady rain this evening. I can see the mountains again!

Your season is coming apace…

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gocart mozart  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:15:03pm
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lawhawk  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:15:40pm

re: #63 MsJ

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Stanley Sea  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:16:08pm

re: #56 MsJ

I understand. I want a DNR for myself. But not like that.

I had to think about my response before posting it. Because I have no desire to be revived repeatedly or awaken, as it were, in a vegetative state. But this is, to me, exceptional.

It was just a very interesting point that didn’t cross my mind

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Stanley Sea  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:20:30pm

re: #70 gocart mozart

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She is a piece of shit.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:20:38pm

re: #61 NoSoapForYou

This is what cultural imperialism looks like

???

i don’t get it. is the idea that she is so freaked out by the call to prayer?

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gocart mozart  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:21:37pm
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MsJ  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:22:06pm

One of the funniest Wonkette posts I’ve read.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:22:08pm
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Weaselone  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:23:02pm

re: #74 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

???

i don’t get it. is the idea that she is so freaked out by the call to prayer?

Forget it Jake, it’s wingnut town.

The comments are also a cesspool of people that don’t think churches can ring their bells anymore.

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ObserverArt  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:23:48pm

re: #51 Blind Frog Belly White

“No, no! That’s not misogyny! Let me explain why you’re wrong….”

That was also the nature of a number of comments on yet another FB post saying HRC should just go away, rather than publishing a book where she blames everyone but herself.

I’ve been battling over the “M” word with some guys. When they really slam Hillary, they really don’t think they are doing anything more than being critical as they would with any guy.

But the language used, the tone of that language and the difference in their own responses from HRC to even Trump belies them.

It always is defended and protected by others. So, it then becomes “just your opinion.”

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:25:03pm

DACA

maybe what this will ultimately prove is that the 27% doesn’t care about the “conservative agenda”, doesn’t care about the trump agenda, doesn’t care about anything except Trump Is Our God And We Will Follow Him Anywhere

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teleskiguy  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:25:47pm
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Stanley Sea  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:29:31pm

re: #76 MsJ

One of the funniest Wonkette posts I’ve read.

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Excellent & completely true - Bannon was/is the Maggie whisperer

SPEAKING OF STEVE BANNON! Who leaked this to you, M. Haberman? Was it Bannon? Did the secret scoop email smell like gin and crotch rot? Smells like Bannon to us!

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Skip Intro  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:30:47pm

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Scottish Dragon  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:32:30pm

re: #83 Skip Intro

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brilliant.

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Jay C  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:32:37pm

re: #74 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

???

i don’t get it. is the idea that she is so freaked out by the call to prayer?

What it sounds like (just a guess, who can tell with nuts?) is that she’s offended at having to hear the adhan in whatever neighborhood she’s in: hence the “imperialism” BS - though when it comes to Muslim stuff, a whole lot of people tend to just freak out on general principles. Personally, I’d be just as pissed living near a mosque that loudspeakered its call to prayer as I would living by a church that rang its bell/bells on a regular basis as well.
Life in the Big City…

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ObserverArt  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:33:35pm

re: #63 MsJ

Discussing a bipartisan Obamacare fix with lawmakers, President Trump asks:
“Can I call it ‘repeal and replace’?

Hahahaha.

Damn, how many people knew he could be sold on something like a labeling?

What a mastermind of a politician! And I bet he sees himself just that way.

Schumer and Pelosi are picking his pockets and now it appears other democrats are onto the game.

McConnell has to be dying. Don’t hear too much from Mitch these days.

Or, that other guy. Rand…err…Ryan something???

Hahahaha!

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gocart mozart  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:33:56pm

twitter.com
#NaziBucketChallenge

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Stanley Sea  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:36:16pm

I’m going to catch up on the new season of Leah Remini, Scientology and the Aftermath.

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ObserverArt  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:37:07pm

re: #68 Charles Johnson

Charles Johnson ✔ @Green_Footballs
Watching Hillary Clinton on @maddow. Upset and angry that this brilliant, thoughtful, articulate woman isn’t the president.
9:13 PM - Sep 14, 2017
18 18 Replies 67 67 Retweets 199 199 likes

I’m going to try to stay awake long enough to catch the Midnight showing here on East Coast time.

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Scottish Dragon  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:37:20pm

this interview with Rachel is amazing and heartbreaking.

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Interesting Times  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:37:45pm

Now this just might be the best news you’ll hear all day:

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:38:44pm

re: #63 MsJ

Discussing a bipartisan Obamacare fix with lawmakers, President Trump asks:
“Can I call it ‘repeal and replace’?”

that’s how stupid he thinks his followers are

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MsJ  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:41:12pm

Very interesting.

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William Lewis  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:44:16pm

re: #92 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

that’s how stupid he thinks his followers are

Actually, he knows those idiots: that’s probably exactly correct.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:46:38pm

re: #77 Charles Johnson

Don’t forget the Russian manipulation. Trump didn’t do this alone.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:47:56pm

Now getting attacked by pedantic one-upping Twitter, as usual.

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Unshaken Defiance  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:49:02pm

re: #77 Charles Johnson

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Charles Johnson  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:49:55pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:53:51pm

LOL

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:54:00pm
“I never even knew a Category 5 existed,” Trump said tonight of hurricanes, per pool

wait till we turn mueller up to 11 and let him loose on your sorry ass, donnie

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 14, 2017 • 6:57:50pm
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Interesting Times  Sep 14, 2017 • 7:01:07pm

re: #98 Charles Johnson

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Charles Johnson  Sep 14, 2017 • 7:02:43pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 14, 2017 • 7:03:17pm

barf…

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MsJ  Sep 14, 2017 • 7:06:17pm

re: #104 Backwoods_Sleuth

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barf…

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 14, 2017 • 7:07:02pm

re: #103 Charles Johnson

A Trump fan

i’m convinced the overwhelming majority of trump fans that i have encountered on the internet are under 14. certainly if they are actually adults there is no way to tell this from the way they talk

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 14, 2017 • 7:12:14pm

oh….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 14, 2017 • 7:13:00pm
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jaunte  Sep 14, 2017 • 7:14:11pm
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MsJ  Sep 14, 2017 • 7:15:12pm

Fuck.

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jaunte  Sep 14, 2017 • 7:22:58pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 14, 2017 • 7:23:10pm

re: #93 MsJ

Very interesting.

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He just kind of glosses over the question of how all these unemployed people will support themselves if they can’t work.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 14, 2017 • 7:27:18pm

re: #111 jaunte

Gee, what could New York and California have possibly done to lose so much??

//

Not to mention deep red states like MS, AL and KS get increases.

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MsJ  Sep 14, 2017 • 7:27:42pm

re: #112 The Vicious Babushka

He just kind of glosses over the question of how all these unemployed people will support themselves if they can’t work.

There’s going to be some kind of minimum living payment, like $1000 a month just for breathing. Otherwise there will be war and death. I don’t see it any other way.

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MsJ  Sep 14, 2017 • 7:28:03pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 14, 2017 • 7:29:07pm

re: #115 MsJ

A damned well justified complaint at that.

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jaunte  Sep 14, 2017 • 7:29:11pm

re: #113 Eclectic Cyborg

Greg Abbott is going to grab some for Texas, but he won’t use it to make Harvey repairs in Houston.

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Interesting Times  Sep 14, 2017 • 7:34:46pm

re: #117 jaunte

Greg Abbott is going to grab some for Texas, but he won’t use it to make Harvey repairs in Houston.

Are there any signs at all that TX voters (or should I say, would-be voters if they’d only bother to show up) will do anything about it next year?

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ObserverArt  Sep 14, 2017 • 7:34:52pm

Excited sportsball comment.

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jaunte  Sep 14, 2017 • 7:36:04pm

re: #118 Interesting Times

At this point it doesn’t look good, but we’ll keep trying.

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Unshaken Defiance  Sep 14, 2017 • 7:38:27pm

re: #111 jaunte

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ObserverArt  Sep 14, 2017 • 7:38:52pm

re: #100 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

wait till we turn mueller up to 11 and let him loose on your sorry ass, donnie

“I never knew a special investigator had that kind of power.”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 14, 2017 • 7:39:01pm

re: #119 ObserverArt

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Stanley Sea  Sep 14, 2017 • 7:39:27pm

Scientology, what a fucked up crock of fake religion

Interested people need to read current & go back to old posts from

tonyortega.org

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ObserverArt  Sep 14, 2017 • 7:40:51pm

re: #101 Backwoods_Sleuth

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This is Buster. He only knows how to take super suggestive selfies. Flirtatious af. 12/10 would never leave on open
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Is someone getting a great tummy rub?

What a great picture.

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MsJ  Sep 14, 2017 • 7:41:41pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 14, 2017 • 7:42:19pm

re: #119 ObserverArt

Excited sportsball comment.

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lawhawk  Sep 14, 2017 • 7:45:03pm

re: #113 Eclectic Cyborg

Gee, what could New York and California have possibly done to lose so much??

//

Not to mention deep red states like MS, AL and KS get increases.

They spent money to make sure that their states’ citizens had health coverage.

GOP plan is to steal from those states that cared most about their citizens and give some of it to those who didn’t give a crap.

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ObserverArt  Sep 14, 2017 • 7:45:33pm

re: #104 Backwoods_Sleuth

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barf…

He really has no clue how Washington works.

Every damn day he gives us an example of just how clueless he is.

Donny Dunce.

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lawhawk  Sep 14, 2017 • 7:46:05pm
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ObserverArt  Sep 14, 2017 • 7:49:21pm

re: #107 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh….

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Yeah. Oh all right.

Oh…look at the swamp creature.

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Unshaken Defiance  Sep 14, 2017 • 7:50:38pm

Reality TV is usually so awful. This is a refreshing story

The boys over at Sparks Motors are hard at work heading down to Houston, Texas to provide flood relief and rescue efforts. As you may already know, Sparks Motors also has a TV Show called Diesel Brothers where they have gained a considerable amount of money. Rather than keeping their money and resources to themselves, David “Heavy D” Sparks and Dave “Diesel Dave” Kiley have selflessly offered up five of their own vehicles along with two tractor trailers worth of supplies to help the victims of Houston. Oh, they also got a helicopter to do air rescues.

Through the power of social media, the diesel brothers were able to get an insane amount of donations within 24 hours. In fact, they didn’t originally plan on taking two additional tractor trailers down with them, but they received so many donations that they knew it was necessary. As you can see in the videos and images below, their heavily modified vehicles are more than capable of traversing the nearly apocalyptic terrain that is Houston.

It is beautiful thing to see so many individuals lending a helping hand to those in Houston. With so much divide going on, these images and videos are a symbol of hope. That being said, I feel it would be wrong of me not to warn the Diesel Brothers and anyone else going to lend a hand of the possible dangers involved with rendering aid. If you are driving a lifting or heavy vehicle, be cautious of sink holes, sudden drops, and other debris hidden under the water. If you are operating watercraft, be careful of things that can puncture your hull or get caught in your propeller. Now that I got that out of the way, please lend as much help as you can give. If you are unable to head down to Texas, please click on the Red Cross link to donate.

thedrive.com

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HappyWarrior  Sep 14, 2017 • 7:52:24pm

re: #130 lawhawk

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Serial domestic abuser shouldn’t be talking about being a real man and no, Floyd, that’s not how a real man talks, that’s how a teenage boy who has never been taught respect talks.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 14, 2017 • 7:58:02pm

I always thought Mayweather was kind of a dick. I see he proved me right.

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freetoken  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:00:17pm

re: #134 Eclectic Cyborg

Mayweather has long been known to be a dick.

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ObserverArt  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:00:57pm

re: #123 Eclectic Cyborg

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:02:21pm

Color me skeptical

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TedStriker  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:03:15pm

re: #135 freetoken

Mayweather has long been known to be a dick.

Too bad McGregor couldn’t have gotten a lucky shot on Mayweather during their match a couple of weeks ago and laid his punk ass out….

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Charles Johnson  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:03:24pm

I used to respect him, but I’m pretty much done with this guy. He’s deliberately obtuse on too many subjects.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:05:50pm
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JordanRules  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:06:48pm

re: #139 Charles Johnson

Completely agree! Used to be a favorite follow but at heart he is an extreme access guy and it reveals itself in horrible ways.

He’s kinda a kiss ass too. If I’m going to be a bit petty this evening.

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freetoken  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:06:50pm

re: #139 Charles Johnson

There is a very strong need to deny the obvious when it surrounds you, when there is a chance that you’ll be ridiculed by the majority.

Shapiro has years of records of his writing to analyze, if anyone is willing to do it.

I think many Americans, even those who used to think of themselves as “liberal”, don’t really want to accept human nature for it’s often ugly side.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:06:51pm

re: #139 Charles Johnson

I used to respect him, but I’m pretty much done with this guy. He’s deliberately obtuse on too many subjects.

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I’m so sick of Shapiro going to college campuses shitting on college kids when he himself is one of the most insufferable people around. As for the comments, did Ali not see that he was buddy buddy with Milo?

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MsJ  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:06:59pm

re: #137 FormerDirtDart

Color me skeptical

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I. Want. Bad.

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freetoken  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:07:10pm

re: #140 Charles Johnson

Mayweather only the latest example.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:08:00pm

Mayweather does not deserve a click or a comment. Ever.

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JordanRules  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:08:40pm

re: #146 Stanley Sea

What Stanley Sea said!

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ObserverArt  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:09:24pm

re: #146 Stanley Sea

Mayweather does not deserve a click or a comment. Ever.

Mayweather’s comments are exactly what I was talking about earlier.

Boy’s club bullshit.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:09:55pm

I love sports but a lot of sports fans are bigots. Even before Hill called Trump what he is, her columns were always filed with racist and sexist bs in the comments. Bunch old white snowflake dudes can’t handle their shit when a black lady talks race.

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JordanRules  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:10:30pm

re: #142 freetoken

I think many Americans, even those who used to think of themselves as “liberal”, don’t really want to accept human nature for it’s often ugly side.

Word! I’ve observed this a lot these last 9 months especially.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:12:15pm

re: #150 JordanRules

Word! I’ve observed this a lot these last 9 months especially.

We’re too afraid of being called so called reverse racists if we dare to be honest about race.

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freetoken  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:12:22pm

Mayweather just made millions upon millions fighting a gimmick boxing fight with a UFC fighter.

Everyone knew even the best UFC fighter doesn’t have the boxing skills of a champion boxer, especially one of the best boxers of our lifetime.

But it was all bs, a way of pimping out McGregor’s followers to the boxing crowd (who didn’t particularly look forward to the fight.)

Mayweather and Trump have something in common: WWE Wrestlemania appearances.

It’s all gimmicks, all the way down.

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JordanRules  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:14:12pm

re: #151 HappyWarrior

Yup. Or folks want to be ‘above’ it somehow. And that’s not really how this works.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:14:47pm

re: #141 JordanRules

Completely agree! Used to be a favorite follow but at heart he is an extreme access guy and it reveals itself in horrible ways.

He’s kinda a kiss ass too. If I’m going to be a bit petty this evening.

It’s really not difficult at all to find dozens of examples of Ben Shapiro engaging in disgusting race-baiting, just like the white supremacists he enabled for years at Breitbart “News.”

Yes, he IS a fucking white supremacist, and a grotesque homophobe as well. People like Yashar should be ashamed of themselves for minimizing what this creep does.

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stpaulbear  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:15:46pm

re: #137 FormerDirtDart

Color me skeptical

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Hey, another rich kid toy that’s even more sonically annoying than jet skis. That thing was LOUD.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:16:48pm

re: #154 Charles Johnson

It’s really not difficult at all to find dozens of examples of Ben Shapiro engaging in disgusting race-baiting, just like the white supremacists he enabled for years at Breitbart “News.”

Yes, he IS a fucking white supremacist, and a grotesque homophobe as well. People like Yashar should be ashamed of themselves for minimizing what this creep does.

Yep.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:20:16pm
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BeachDem  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:21:47pm

HuffPo continues with great headers—current re: Mnuchin

FREQUENT LIARS CLUB

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Charles Johnson  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:22:41pm
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goddamnedfrank  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:24:11pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:24:12pm

re: #159 Charles Johnson

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I still remember his disgusting smear of Hagel as a Hamas ally. All because Hagel was an Obama appointee.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:25:13pm

re: #160 goddamnedfrank

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And Milo got homophobic treatment from CPAC . Doesn’t make him less a bigot.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:28:56pm
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JordanRules  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:30:35pm

Yashar was doing a great thing raising money for the NYPD officer who was killed earlier this year, but in between that he was on Mayor DeBlasio’s ass.

DeBlasio went to the G-20 instead of the funeral which may not have been the best call. I really don’t know and I’d need some of our NY Lizards to weigh in on how he’s doing as Mayor too. But at one point Yasher tweeted that DeBlasio straight up hates the NYPD.

He keeps his DMs open and I’m just a lurker so I sent him a direct message suggesting that maybe it isn’t the best idea to say this about a guy who has a black wife and child. It was so reckless. I was pissed.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:31:03pm

re: #163 Charles Johnson

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He’s a transphobic scumbag too. He like his former pal Milo loves looking for shit to stir up.

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blueraven  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:31:20pm

Hola Lizards. I am in need of some assistance.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:31:48pm
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JordanRules  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:31:57pm

re: #160 goddamnedfrank

Bibi’s piece of shit son too!

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Charles Johnson  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:34:51pm
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JordanRules  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:35:23pm

re: #169 Charles Johnson

Charles has the receipts tonight!!

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MsJ  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:35:54pm

Fascinating read.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:35:57pm

re: #166 blueraven

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Charles Johnson  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:39:05pm

Journalists who respond to criticism by calling people “idiots” really suck.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:40:48pm

re: #160 goddamnedfrank

You’re an idiot. Ben is an observant jew who has been the target of anti-semitic hate.

this is a persistent and utterly stupid line of reasoning pervasive in wingnut lines of defense, for example, exonerating zimmerman’s attack as non racist because his mother is hispanic. the theory is of course that all “ethnics” are equally ethnic, and all “ethnics”, being in the non-“white” camp, must somehow regard all other “ethnics” as within their own group

the entire line of reasoning stinks of unspoken, ignorant, and probably unconscious, racist assumptions

the sad fact is that there is plenty of racism in every group. growing up in nyc, i regularly heard racist remarks about people in other ethnic categories from persons belonging to some group or other that would not be welcome at a kkk meeting. being jewish myself, i could easily tell you about casual racist remarks i’ve heard passed between my relatives

racism divides infinitely. if the entire population of the united states were composed of immigrants from great britain, i’m sure we’d grow up hearing about the unsavory habits of welshmen, or geordies, or some such nonsense

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JordanRules  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:41:08pm

re: #166 blueraven

I’ve had success getting a company’s attention via Twitter even with being pretty unsavvy and having no followers myself. Keep at it. I will send to a couple folks who do the Twitter thing well too.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:41:25pm

OT again: just got back from seeing Matthew Sweet. Great show. Bass player is an old friend, so we got to talk a bit afterwards. Guitarist Jason Victor was a revelation: he managed to encapsulate the work of Robert Quine and Richard Lloyd on the old songs while adding his own touches and completely owning newer work.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:41:42pm

Look at this exchange, for example. How is it appropriate to insult someone for pointing out that Shapiro represents far right extremist views? He fucking does!

Sorry, but this guy is a prick, and I’m done with him.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:41:44pm

re: #166 blueraven

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blueraven  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:42:24pm

re: #172 Stanley Sea

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blueraven  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:47:07pm

re: #178 Stanley Sea

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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:49:28pm

Also important is that Ben Shapiro is specifically engaging in a kind of showmanship that the hateful right laps up…going to a campus where he’ll be protested and then crying “victim.”

Whenever there’s a falling out on the far right, the players re-assemble the coalition by smearing shit on targets they have in common. No matter how bad the drama—even when it involves antisemitism—they cleave back together (and rake in that gullible, hateful cash) by kicking the same straw leftism.

Which is what Shapiro is doing.

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teleskiguy  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:51:50pm

re: #166 blueraven

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JordanRules  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:52:39pm

Geeez. You can play this dumb game with so many folks.

Milo is gay and has been the target of extreme homophobic hate.
Ann Coulter is a woman and has been the target of extreme anti-woman hate.

This type of argument is so idiotic and screams of access based blind spots and flat out ignorance.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:58:25pm

re: #181 The Ghost of a Flea

This is why every round of “the right is about to fragment” should be viewed with considerable skepticism.

Drama is always resolved by declaring that “The Left” are worse than anything else, including open racists, et cetera.

Which is another bullshit aspect of ex-Breitbart types like Shapiro. At the end of the day, they’ll still vote in line with the crazies and support them.

And if/when someone completely flies off the handle such that their hateful craziness can’t be denied, they’ll just be “discovered” to be leftists.

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blueraven  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:58:37pm

re: #182 teleskiguy

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JordanRules  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:59:30pm

Kelly works there and is full of shit also too.

We are really throwing stupid pebbles at our southern neighbor and long time ally. What in the entire…

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alloutofcrazyhere  Sep 14, 2017 • 8:59:51pm

re: #130 lawhawk

A real man would at least know how to read.

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JordanRules  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:01:28pm

re: #187 alloutofcrazyhere

Bazinga!!

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:01:33pm

re: #4 MsJ

I think Facebook and Zuck are in trouble.

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This does not bode well for his 2020 presidential campaign.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:03:16pm

re: #180 blueraven

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Interesting Times  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:03:52pm

re: #183 JordanRules

Geeez. You can play this dumb game with so many folks.

Milo is gay and has been the target of extreme homophobic hate.
Ann Coulter is a woman and has been the target of extreme anti-woman hate.

This type of argument is so idiotic and screams of access based blind spots and flat out ignorance.

I think my favorite example (or should I say, proof of said idiocy) is the racist website described here (LGF’ers came across it being advertised by, who else, fox news commenters)

We are not a white supremacist site here at Chimpout. We welcome all races, creeds, and colors……just no n*****s.

So, yeah…they’d be happy to have Benny Baby-Whiplash Shapiro as a member.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:04:18pm

re: #185 blueraven

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teleskiguy  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:05:31pm

re: #185 blueraven

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blueraven  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:06:42pm

Lizards are the best people! Thank you!

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JordanRules  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:07:10pm

re: #193 teleskiguy

Love it!

Salute sir!

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blueraven  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:07:48pm

re: #193 teleskiguy

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JordanRules  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:09:17pm

Let’s all look into the future of many of our cities unless we right this ship as soon as possible.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:09:44pm

re: #196 blueraven

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teleskiguy  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:10:22pm

re: #194 blueraven

Lizards are the best people! Thank you!

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majii  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:13:13pm

re: #99 Backwoods_Sleuth

“O’Reilly: I was fired because “forces of evil and darkness got me”“

They certainly did. They were inside of him and are still there, but it doesn’t stop him from blaming the loss of his job on “the left.” He didn’t need any help in bringing about his own downfall. His arrogance knows no bounds and I think it was a key factor in ending his career at Fox.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:15:16pm

Calling out racism when it’s directly aimed at you is easy and doesn’t really mean that much when you direct it at others.

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BeachDem  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:16:18pm

re: #166 blueraven

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teleskiguy  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:18:41pm

re: #202 BeachDem

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:19:01pm

Maybe I’ll get the batteries I ordered on Amazon, for Hurricane Irma, by the time Jose gets here…

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Stanley Sea  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:21:36pm

re: #202 BeachDem

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:23:48pm

re: #204 FormerDirtDart

Maybe I’ll get the batteries I ordered on Amazon, for Hurricane Irma, by the time Jose gets here…

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blueraven  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:25:33pm

re: #202 BeachDem

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BeachDem  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:26:29pm

re: #203 teleskiguy

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BeachDem  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:27:54pm

re: #205 Stanley Sea

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blueraven  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:28:31pm

re: #208 BeachDem

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BeachDem  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:30:13pm

re: #207 blueraven

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blueraven  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:32:41pm

re: #211 BeachDem

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Stanley Sea  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:36:44pm

re: #208 BeachDem

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BeachDem  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:37:07pm

re: #212 blueraven

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BeachDem  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:43:24pm

re: #213 Stanley Sea

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Renaissance_Man  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:46:58pm

re: #186 JordanRules

Kelly works there and is full of shit also too.

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It is becoming quite apparent that John Kelly is currently president of the USA. He controls access to Trump, thereby controlling what Trump thinks, because Trump only acts on what the last person to talk to him says. FOX and Friends probably still has some access, and it’s obvious from the tweet history that Trump still watches some TV, but for all intents and purposes, John Kelly is mostly in control.

Quite apart from the quasi-banana republic/puppet state dynamic here, this is appalling for the specific reason that John Kelly is not an elected official, and is also quite obviously a heavily deluded wingnut. That he has more discipline than the pack of Nazis he has run out of the White House should not make anyone relax.

Sure, Trump may fire Kelly. But I don’t think that will happen anytime soon. Trump is first and foremost a coward, and he has always been cowed and in awe of bullies, especially military bullies. Eventually he will probably resent it enough to act out, and perhaps even get rid of Kelly, but he would only be able to do so once he gets some distance, because he is too afraid of confrontation, and with Kelly in his presence every day it will take him a long time to build up the courage to have someone else fire Kelly for him.

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blueraven  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:51:22pm

re: #214 BeachDem

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BeachDem  Sep 14, 2017 • 9:57:05pm

re: #217 blueraven

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blueraven  Sep 14, 2017 • 10:01:41pm

re: #218 BeachDem

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BeachDem  Sep 14, 2017 • 10:10:24pm

re: #219 blueraven

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blueraven  Sep 14, 2017 • 10:20:08pm

re: #220 BeachDem

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BeachDem  Sep 14, 2017 • 10:34:10pm

re: #221 blueraven

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blueraven  Sep 14, 2017 • 10:47:25pm

re: #222 BeachDem

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BeachDem  Sep 14, 2017 • 10:56:00pm

re: #223 blueraven

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 14, 2017 • 10:59:05pm

The entire rhetorical approach is to equate anyone who opposes fascism with antifa.

And to turn slogans like “Black Lives Matter” into “We wanna kill whitey!”

Because it is clear to DT supporters: white supremacism or white genocide. Choose your side.

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blueraven  Sep 14, 2017 • 11:05:18pm

re: #224 BeachDem

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MsJ  Sep 15, 2017 • 2:46:03am

re: #185 blueraven

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MsJ  Sep 15, 2017 • 2:56:21am

re: #196 blueraven

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MsJ  Sep 15, 2017 • 2:59:34am

re: #207 blueraven

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blueraven  Sep 15, 2017 • 7:28:08am

re: #229 MsJ

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Rich7041  Sep 16, 2017 • 11:54:13am

Both sides were responsible. If antifa hadn’t shown up, there would have been little to no national coverage. When they decided to hold their “peaceful” counter-protest the rioting started & it became big news. (None of this explains or excuses the insane idiot who drove into the crowd. Or the white supremacists for that matter. They crave publicity because their movement would eventual shrivel up without it.)


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