An Amazing Solo Performance by Guitarist/Singer Jon Gomm: “Everything”

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‘Everything’ is the 3rd single from my latest album, ‘Secrets Nobody Keeps’.

It’s a twisted love song. It’s about obsession. It’s the song I had the most comments about from the album, which really surprised me, just because it’s so prog - nearly ten minutes long, two time signatures, shreddy guitar solo, even cameo appearances from other songs…

It’s played on my guitar Wilma, through a Trace Acoustic TA200 amp, designed in Britain by amp-genius Paul Stevens. Massive thanks to Tom Allen of Trace Acoustic for producing this video.

Audio mixed and produced by Whiskas, engineered and co-produced by Jon Gomm. Mastered by Tom “The Frequency” Woodhead at Hippocratic Mastering.

LYRICS:

I’ll tell you all of my fears
I’ll tell you all of my shame
If you’ll just lend me an ear
That’s all I want

There is no word I can say
There is no chord I can play
To make me more of a man
And that’s all I want

That’s Everything…

Take my hand I’ll lead you and we’ll never be alone
Take my hand I’ll lead you and we’ll never be alone

The city’s making you ill
It’s like you’re running uphill
Let’s jump off the treadmill
Just close your eyes

I’m gonna build you a house
I’m gonna build you a wall
To keep you safe from it all
Just close your eyes

That’s Everything…

Take my hand I’ll lead you and we’ll never be alone
Take my hand I’ll lead you and we’ll never be alone

Back at the dawning of time
When god made Everything
He had but one thing in mind
To make you mine

You’re everything to me….

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Charles Johnson  Sep 24, 2017 • 1:48:12pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2017 • 1:50:43pm

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Don’t lie, Jim, you guys were drinking the industrial alcohol Steve keeps around before he edits Breitbart.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 24, 2017 • 1:52:23pm

Bannon has a nose that would make ol’ W C Fields shudder!

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Stanley Sea  Sep 24, 2017 • 1:54:16pm
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Jay C  Sep 24, 2017 • 1:55:30pm

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Looks like Hoft has a firm grip on the back of Bannon’s jacket to keep him from doing a swift faceplant on the floor.
Not that a smidgen of impact adjustment would make Steve’s raddled punnim look any any worse…..

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 24, 2017 • 1:56:20pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

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Charles Johnson  Sep 24, 2017 • 1:57:24pm

Bannon’s only wearing two shirts in that photo. Maybe he’s trying to cut back.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 24, 2017 • 1:57:42pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2017 • 1:57:52pm

re: #6 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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It’s the new reality show; Who Wants To Marry a White Supremacist Pockface?

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DodgerFan1988  Sep 24, 2017 • 1:58:28pm

Penn and Teller’s commentary on freedom of speech more relevant today.

Penn & Teller Patriotic Speech

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Dr. Matt  Sep 24, 2017 • 2:05:21pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2017 • 2:11:55pm

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Seriously.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 24, 2017 • 2:12:55pm

Okaaaaaaay

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I guess Samaritan’s Purse is going to handle Puerto Rico?

Stupid idiot.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2017 • 2:13:40pm

re: #13 Stanley Sea

Okaaaaaaay

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I guess Samaritan’s Purse is going to handle Puerto Rico?

Stupid idiot.

His version of the 9-9-9 plan?

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Stanley Sea  Sep 24, 2017 • 2:15:07pm

re: #14 HappyWarrior

His version of the 9-9-9 plan?

We’re getting closer to the amount he’s actually paid I’d guess.

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 24, 2017 • 2:23:25pm
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Look who was at Milo’s little wingnut mini-rally today. Guess he promised an open bar.

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 24, 2017 • 2:23:49pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2017 • 2:24:34pm

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Look who was at Milo’s little wingnut mini-rally today. Guess he promised an open bar.

Someone is desperate to stay relevant.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2017 • 2:25:29pm

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Belafon  Sep 24, 2017 • 2:26:54pm

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Look who was at Milo’s little wingnut mini-rally today. Guess he promised an open bar.

Maybe she’s talking about Milo. :)

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Charles Johnson  Sep 24, 2017 • 2:31:03pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 24, 2017 • 2:33:13pm

Does anyone have that photo of the dumbasses at a Trump rally wearing “Fuck Your Feelings” shirts? It seems to have vanished from Google image search.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 24, 2017 • 2:35:52pm
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Dr. Matt  Sep 24, 2017 • 2:36:58pm

re: #22 The Vicious Babushka

Does anyone have that photo of the dumbasses at a Trump rally wearing “Fuck Your Feelings” shirts? It seems to have vanished from Google image search.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 24, 2017 • 2:38:19pm

re: #22 The Vicious Babushka

Does anyone have that photo of the dumbasses at a Trump rally wearing “Fuck Your Feelings” shirts? It seems to have vanished from Google image search.

I was thinking about this earlier as well with their fake outrage over NFL players kneeling.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 24, 2017 • 2:38:55pm

re: #22 The Vicious Babushka

Does anyone have that photo of the dumbasses at a Trump rally wearing “Fuck Your Feelings” shirts? It seems to have vanished from Google image search.

Here are a couple of classics.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 24, 2017 • 2:39:59pm

re: #25 Dr. Matt

I was thinking about this earlier as well with their fake outrage over NFL players kneeling.

I said as much in the previous thread.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 24, 2017 • 2:45:49pm

For me, at least, Vietnam was partly love. With each step, each light-year of a second, a foot soldier is always almost dead, or so it feels, and in such circumstances you can’t help but love. You love your mom and dad, the Vikings, hamburgers on the grill, your pulse, your future — everything that might be lost or never come to be. Intimacy with death carries with it a corresponding new intimacy with life. Jokes are funnier, green is greener. You love the musty morning air. You love the miracle of your own enduring capacity for love. You love your friends in Alpha Company — a kid named Chip, my buddy. He wrote letters to my sister, I wrote letters to his sister. In the rear, back at Gator, Chip and I would go our separate ways, by color, both of us ashamed but knowing it had to be that way. In the bush, though, nothing kept us apart. “Black and White,” we were called. In May of 1969, Chip was blown high into a hedge of bamboo. Many pieces. I loved the guy, he loved me. I’m alive. He’s dead. An old story, I guess.

Must find & read Tim O’Brien

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 24, 2017 • 2:47:11pm

A “Freedom Rally” huh?

That the one where they bitch about how NFL players should stand the fuck up and respect our flag?

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Stanley Sea  Sep 24, 2017 • 2:51:38pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 24, 2017 • 2:51:45pm

re: #29 Eclectic Cyborg

A “Freedom Rally” huh?

That the one where they bitch about how NFL players should stand the fuck up and respect our flag?

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TedStriker  Sep 24, 2017 • 2:52:12pm

re: #29 Eclectic Cyborg

A “Freedom Rally” huh?

That the one where they bitch about how NFL players should stand the fuck up and respect our flag?

Five’ll get you ten that any “Freedom Rally” participated in by dullards who rail that Kaepernick’s and other NFL players’ protests weren’t and aren’t legitimate and that they should “shut up and play” will have more than a few Dixie Swastikas present.

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SteelPH  Sep 24, 2017 • 2:53:21pm

re: #32 TedStriker

Five’ll get you ten that any “Freedom Rally” participated in by dullards dotards who rail that Kaepernick’s and other NFL players’ protest weren’t legitimate and that they should “shut up and play” will have more than a few Dixie Swastikas present.

FTFY

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Decatur Deb  Sep 24, 2017 • 2:54:47pm

re: #32 TedStriker

Five’ll get you ten that any “Freedom Rally” participated in by dullards who rail that Kaepernick’s and other NFL players’ protest weren’t legitimate and that they should “shut up and play” will have more than a few Dixie Swastikas present.

Just back from a different Baja Alabama affair—a regional organizational meeting for the Doug Jones campaign. At least this time we have yard signs.

dougjonesforsenate.com

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 24, 2017 • 2:54:55pm
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Stanley Sea  Sep 24, 2017 • 2:55:53pm

Cops get their overtime pay.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 24, 2017 • 2:57:24pm

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her forehead just keeps growing larger and larger…

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TedStriker  Sep 24, 2017 • 2:57:32pm

re: #33 SteelPH

FTFY

Doh! Hoisted upon my own petard dotard…

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Decatur Deb  Sep 24, 2017 • 2:59:25pm

re: #38 TedStriker

Doh! Hoisted upon my own petard dotard…

A Lollard is not a cat meme.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 24, 2017 • 3:03:12pm

re: #36 Stanley Sea

Cops get their overtime pay.

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No telling how many self-respecting gays Milo has driven back into the closet.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 24, 2017 • 3:03:16pm

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Stanley Sea  Sep 24, 2017 • 3:04:28pm
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Stanley Sea  Sep 24, 2017 • 3:05:58pm

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Can’t hear that damn song without thinking of mandy manners. ugh

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 24, 2017 • 3:07:56pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 24, 2017 • 3:09:03pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 24, 2017 • 3:10:05pm

re: #44 The Vicious Babushka

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 24, 2017 • 3:11:46pm

re: #31 The Vicious Babushka

The NHL is also the whitest of the four major pro sports leagues…by far.

#justsayin

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Kragar  Sep 24, 2017 • 3:20:59pm
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b.d. (bill d.)  Sep 24, 2017 • 3:22:42pm

re: #47 Eclectic Cyborg

The NHL is also the whitest of the four major pro sports leagues…by far.

#justsayin

And the one where stupid fighting is encouraged to keep the crowd interested, just like this administration.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 24, 2017 • 3:22:53pm

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 24, 2017 • 3:23:06pm
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PhillyPretzel  Sep 24, 2017 • 3:24:16pm

re: #48 Kragar

Maybe he needs a little “white lightning” to remember. /half

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William Lewis  Sep 24, 2017 • 3:27:04pm

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Revenuers liked to lock people up and break apart stills. All about taxes to them.

Good Old Boy sheriff was like as not a client and uninterested in the moonshiner.

Big city cops? They want to keep the minorities down in their parts of town by every means necessary. That’s where the “drug war” comes in and the death counts start rising.

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TedStriker  Sep 24, 2017 • 3:32:17pm

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God he’s an old crusty racist.

re: #52 PhillyPretzel

Maybe he needs a little “white lightning” to remember. /half

Richard, forced “patriotism” amongst your workforce, under pain of termination of employment, isn’t “freedom”, it’s jack-booted totalitarianism.

I know, *your team, your rules*, but I hope a good chunk of that team decides to walk out on you, “King”.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Sep 24, 2017 • 3:35:25pm
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Stanley Sea  Sep 24, 2017 • 3:35:28pm

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Ted, you are in Tennessee, IIRC?

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TedStriker  Sep 24, 2017 • 3:35:38pm

re: #47 Eclectic Cyborg

The NHL is also the whitest of the four major pro sports leagues…by far.

#justsayin

I think NASCAR is still quite in contention with the NHL for its “melanin deficiency”.

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William Lewis  Sep 24, 2017 • 3:35:54pm

re: #54 TedStriker

Richard, forced “patriotism” amongst your workforce, under pain of termination of employment, isn’t “freedom”, it’s jack-booted totalitarianism.

I know, *your team, your rules*, but I hope a good chunk of that team decides to walk out on you, “King”.

They won’t. They’re good little serfs who believe the fantasy that their neoconfederate bosses make them free.

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TedStriker  Sep 24, 2017 • 3:36:21pm

re: #56 Stanley Sea

Ted, you are in Tennessee, IIRC?

Nashville.

Yeah, I’ve heard all about that church shooting here in town.

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Romantic Heretic  Sep 24, 2017 • 3:37:07pm

re: #23 Dr. Matt

That only applies to liberals who disrespect the flag when they wear apparel made of it.

Conservatives are honouring the flag when they wear it.

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TedStriker  Sep 24, 2017 • 3:38:53pm

re: #60 Romantic Heretic

That only applies to liberals who disrespect the flag when they wear apparel made of it.

Conservatives are honouring the flag when they wear it.

Or try to kiss wipe their mouths with it.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 24, 2017 • 3:39:26pm

re: #55 b.d. (bill d.)

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Romantic Heretic  Sep 24, 2017 • 3:40:39pm

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Addicts in their natural environment.

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Kragar  Sep 24, 2017 • 3:42:45pm
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PhillyPretzel  Sep 24, 2017 • 3:44:32pm

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A bit blunt but I agree.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Sep 24, 2017 • 3:46:19pm

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DodgerFan1988  Sep 24, 2017 • 3:51:27pm
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Dragonomics  Sep 24, 2017 • 3:51:46pm

Please note: when the president called players in the NFL who protest “son of a bitch”, it was a racist / misogynist two-fer. His speech is an act of terrorism. He is a terrorist, using the vast means at his disposal to threaten people’s lives and/or livelihood. What a horrorshow. I dream of a day when he’s but a sad drained husk of a tangerine memory.

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EPR-radar  Sep 24, 2017 • 4:03:23pm

I dream of a day many years from now when tr*mp dies of natural causes in prison, having been penniless and incarcerated all that time.

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Unshaken Defiance  Sep 24, 2017 • 4:03:24pm

Smile time.

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Unshaken Defiance  Sep 24, 2017 • 4:04:26pm
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PhillyPretzel  Sep 24, 2017 • 4:05:18pm

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You are right. That was so beautiful.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 24, 2017 • 4:07:06pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2017 • 4:10:20pm

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 24, 2017 • 4:13:49pm

re: #53 William Lewis

Revenuers liked to lock people up and break apart stills. All about taxes to them.

Good Old Boy sheriff was like as not a client and uninterested in the moonshiner.

Big city cops? They want to keep the minorities down in their parts of town by every means necessary. That’s where the “drug war” comes in and the death counts start rising.

Boss Hogg…

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 24, 2017 • 4:17:21pm

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Is the NYT all over this story or do they only screech about private email servers which are used by Secretary Clinton? Fascinating how it’s no longer a security issue now that it’s happening in a Republican administration.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 24, 2017 • 4:17:42pm

re: #36 Stanley Sea

Gotta love how Milo is disrespecting the flag.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2017 • 4:18:29pm

Lre: #77 GlutenFreeJesus

Gotta love how Milo is disrespecting the flag.

That’s different.//

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 24, 2017 • 4:19:48pm

ummm…our Dem governor at the time made ACA a winner in Kentucky, Bevin the current GOP asshat gov pretty much killed it.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 24, 2017 • 4:20:44pm

re: #20 Belafon

Maybe she’s talking about Milo. :)

LOL!!

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Stanley Sea  Sep 24, 2017 • 4:21:56pm

re: #79 Backwoods_Sleuth

ummm…our Dem governor at the time made ACA a winner in Kentucky, Bevin the GOP asshat gov pretty much killed it.

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SHUT UP U BUM

He knows squat of what he speaks.

God I’m so disgusted by his ignorance.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 24, 2017 • 4:22:23pm

re: #79 Backwoods_Sleuth

ummm…our Dem governor at the time made ACA a winner in Kentucky, Bevin the GOP asshat gov pretty much killed it.

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Every single one of them loses funding. Every. Single. One.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 24, 2017 • 4:22:25pm

Good. She let her freak flag fly

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ObserverArt  Sep 24, 2017 • 4:23:13pm

re: #70 Unshaken Defiance

Smile time.

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Kitty bliss!

That was pretty cool. Music soothes the not-much-a-beast.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Sep 24, 2017 • 4:23:26pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2017 • 4:25:17pm

re: #83 Stanley Sea

Good. She let her freak flag fly

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Yep it’s the right thing. Dunno wtf her problem is.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 24, 2017 • 4:27:12pm

re: #86 HappyWarrior

Yep it’s the right thing. Dunno wtf her problem is.

I think there’s shit that simmers below in people who seem ‘otherwise good’

Another reason why I like twitter. It catches them.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2017 • 4:28:24pm

re: #87 Stanley Sea

I think there’s shit that simmers below in people who seem ‘otherwise good’

Another reason why I like twitter. It catches them.

True, true.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 24, 2017 • 4:32:14pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2017 • 4:34:40pm

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allegro  Sep 24, 2017 • 4:35:13pm

re: #84 ObserverArt

Kitty bliss!

That was pretty cool. Music soothes the not-much-a-beast.

Couple of nights ago the kittens were tearing around as I watched youtube videos. A Mozart violin piece came on and they both just dropped on the bed, facing the TV, and closed their eyes with an expression like the cutie above. I was like “Whoa! Izzat the off switch I’ve been desperately seeking?”

Unfortunately not. Only worked that once. I keep looking.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 24, 2017 • 4:37:32pm

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 24, 2017 • 4:38:17pm

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They (Maxwell and his teammate, standing behind him with his hand on his shoulder) also said they would continue through the end of the season, short as it is.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2017 • 4:40:57pm

re: #94 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

They (Maxwell and his teammate, standing behind him with his hand on his shoulder) also said they would continue through the end of the season, short as it is.

Maxwell is going to get so much hate from uneducated dickbags.

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Unshaken Defiance  Sep 24, 2017 • 4:44:33pm

So my highest respects to a church usher who physically stopped a hate crime gunman. The good guy got it done. Without killing.

bbc.com

A masked gunman who entered a church near Nashville, Tennessee, was stopped mid-attack after killing one person and wounding several others.
The suspect shot himself during a struggle with an usher from the church in Antioch, but survived his wound.
The usher, who was struck in the face by the gun, fetched his own gun from his car and guarded the gunman until police arrived.
Police said the usher acted in an “extraordinarily brave” way.

That my friends is what it takes when some violent hater comes killing. Step up and stop it if you must. Not everyone can run or hide.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 24, 2017 • 4:46:47pm

re: #95 HappyWarrior

Maxwell is going to get so much hate from uneducated dickbags.

MLB has had its own racism problems recently, with the whole Red Sox faux-Antifa “protest” sign and the whole kerfluffle with the Orioles and fans shouting racist slurs at players. This is going to positively explode over the next week.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2017 • 4:47:05pm

re: #96 Unshaken Defiance

So my highest respects to a church usher who physically stopped a hate crime gunman.
bbc.com

That my friends is what it takes when some violent hater comes killing. Step up and stop it if you must. Not everyone can run or hide.

Wow. Very breve. Hope he makes a full recovery.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2017 • 4:47:41pm

re: #97 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

MLB has had its own racism problems recently, with the whole Red Sox faux-Antifa “protest” sign and the whole kerfluffle with the Orioles and fans shouting racist slurs at players. This is going to positively explode over the next week.

Oh yeah I’m an Orioles fan. Curt Schilling attacking Adam Jones was sick.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Sep 24, 2017 • 4:48:58pm

omg

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 24, 2017 • 4:49:04pm

re: #99 HappyWarrior

Oh yeah I’m an Orioles fan. Curt Schilling attacking Adam Jones was sick.

On the original topic, though, Maxwell’s teammate, outfielder Mark Canha, said he intentionally decided on the hand-on-shoulder approach to support his teammate without taking a stance either for or against the kneeling protests. He asked Maxwell if that was okay, and he agreed. And as we saw yesterday from the Twitter timeline, obviously they told the team’s media representatives about it before the fact.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 24, 2017 • 4:51:06pm

re: #101 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

In fact, the ESPN article says he talked with the whole team, the manager and the GM before the first kneeling to give them a chance to ask questions and understand. Everybody knew up front, and he built a ton of rapport for it.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2017 • 4:52:49pm

re: #101 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

On the original topic, though, Maxwell’s teammate, outfielder Mark Canha, said he intentionally decided on the hand-on-shoulder approach to support his teammate without taking a stance either for or against the kneeling protests. He asked Maxwell if that was okay, and he agreed. And as we saw yesterday from the Twitter timeline, obviously they told the team’s media representatives about it before the fact.

Reminds me of the Aussie in the Mexico City Olympic photo.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 24, 2017 • 4:52:52pm

Milo’s mad at me.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 24, 2017 • 4:53:17pm

re: #103 HappyWarrior

Reminds me of the Aussie in the Mexico City Olympic photo.

You nailed it. That’s exactly it.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 24, 2017 • 4:53:41pm

re: #95 HappyWarrior

Maxwell is going to get so much hate from uneducated dickbags.

And hopefully a lot of support from sensible folks. The right to protest injustices is fundamental to this country.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2017 • 4:55:15pm

re: #104 Charles Johnson

Milo’s mad at me.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2017 • 4:55:31pm

re: #106 Patricia Kayden

And hopefully a lot of support from sensible folks. The right to protest injustices is fundamental to this country.

Yep he’s got my support.

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nowherenorth2  Sep 24, 2017 • 5:06:50pm

re: #104 Charles Johnson

I like how he called you a “fucking peasant,” once again showing how the right wing feels about anyone who isn’t them.

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No Depression  Sep 24, 2017 • 5:08:30pm

Saw that Travis Kelce, a white player for the Kansas City Chiefs, took a knee.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 24, 2017 • 5:09:32pm
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b.d. (bill d.)  Sep 24, 2017 • 5:10:05pm

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Milo’s mad at me.

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Lots of chatter about the Milo fiasco. Apparently he wanted Berkeley to call off his “free speech week” so he could whine about them trying to shut him up and when they didn’t cancel, and their bluff was called, things fell apart.

And it is amazing that the wingnuts don’t have a problem with a non- US citizen wearing a tacky US flag hoodie.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 24, 2017 • 5:10:16pm

That hoodie costs about $79.95, by the way.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2017 • 5:11:11pm

re: #112 b.d. (bill d.)

Lots of chatter about the Milo fiasco. Apparently he wanted Berkeley to call off his “free speech week” so he could whine about them trying to shut him up and when they didn’t cancel, and their bluff was called, things fell apart.

And it is amazing that the wingnuts don’t have a problem with a non- US citizen tackily wearing the flag.

I’m glad. It shows what a total fraud he is.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 24, 2017 • 5:11:27pm

re: #113 Charles Johnson

That hoodie costs about $79.95, by the way.

That’s big money to a millennial like Milo. That avocado toast won’t pay for itself./////

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Decatur Deb  Sep 24, 2017 • 5:11:47pm

re: #113 Charles Johnson

That hoodie costs about $79.95, by the way.

Not the ones woven from orphans’ hair.

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ObserverArt  Sep 24, 2017 • 5:11:48pm

re: #109 nowherenorth2

I like how he called you a “fucking peasant,” once again showing how the right wing feels about anyone who isn’t them.

And he bought his oh-so-expensive hoodie with money from the rubes. Another trait of right wingers…being taken for their money by con men.

I don’t know, he’s a Brit isn’t he? Maybe we don’t need rabble rousing aliens creating trouble and danger. Kick him out!

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 24, 2017 • 5:11:54pm

re: #112 b.d. (bill d.)

Lots of chatter about the Milo fiasco. Apparently he wanted Berkeley to call off his “free speech week” so he could whine about them trying to shut him up and when they didn’t cancel, and their bluff was called, things fell apart.

Is that seriously what happened? That there’s funny, I don’t care who y’are.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Sep 24, 2017 • 5:11:56pm

re: #113 Charles Johnson

That hoodie costs about $79.95, by the way.

A MONTH’S PAY!!!

It ain’t worth $7.95

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No Depression  Sep 24, 2017 • 5:13:10pm

re: #115 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

That’s big money to a millennial like Milo. That avocado toast won’t pay for itself./////

Milo wouldn’t eat avocados. They’re grown by filthy Mexicans!

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b.d. (bill d.)  Sep 24, 2017 • 5:13:13pm

I am imagining the outrage if there was a picture of a young African American youth wearing a US flag hoodie.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 24, 2017 • 5:14:25pm

re: #120 No Depression

Milo wouldn’t eat avocados. They’re grown by filthy Mexicans!

So no tequila for him, either, then? Good. More for me.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2017 • 5:17:52pm

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 24, 2017 • 5:19:13pm

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 24, 2017 • 5:19:23pm
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FormerDirtDart  Sep 24, 2017 • 5:29:56pm

Damn, looks like half of the Raiders are sitting on the bench during the anthem

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 24, 2017 • 5:32:49pm

re: #129 FormerDirtDart

Damn, looks like half of the Raiders are sitting on the bench during the anthem

3 whole NFL teams didn’t even come out on the field during the anthem. Steelers, Seahawks, and I can’t remember the 3rd.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2017 • 5:33:43pm

re: #130 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

3 whole NFL teams didn’t even come out on the field during the anthem. Steelers, Seahawks, and I can’t remember the 3rd.

Titans.

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Dave In Austin  Sep 24, 2017 • 5:34:14pm

I’m such a sucker for Owls……

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 24, 2017 • 5:34:16pm

re: #129 FormerDirtDart

Damn, looks like half of the Raiders are sitting on the bench during the anthem

Apparently, the Raiders wanted to stay in the locker room. But, due to prime time scheduling that wasn’t possible. They might have lost a timeout, the coin toss, been hit with an unsportsmanlike like conduct penalty to start the game.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 24, 2017 • 5:35:25pm

re: #95 HappyWarrior

Maxwell is going to get so much hate from uneducated dickbags.

FUCK THEM

he will

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Sep 24, 2017 • 5:38:57pm

Facebook and RWNJ alt-news are on fire with the NFL protests today. RWNJ media liars and political shills are out in force to add their usual bullshit.
Texas governor posts fake news on Jerry Jones and the national anthem

The governor of Texas is praising Cowboys owner Jerry Jones for ordering all Cowboys players to stand for the national anthem, something Jones hasn’t done.

Texas Governor Greg Abbott tweeted, “Thank you Jerry Jones” with a link to an article on a website called uconservative.net. That article is headlined, Cowboys Jerry Jones to Players: “Stand For the Anthem or You’re Off the Team”.

But as Politifact notes, Jones didn’t say that. Jones said he supports the flag and the Cowboys as an organization support the flag, but he didn’t say that kneeling for the national anthem would get cut.

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TedStriker  Sep 24, 2017 • 5:39:16pm

re: #126 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

If they’re brown, turn ‘em down. If they’re white, they’re alright.

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TedStriker  Sep 24, 2017 • 5:39:39pm

re: #130 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

3 whole NFL teams didn’t even come out on the field during the anthem. Steelers, Seahawks, and I can’t remember the 3rd.

The Titans, who was hosting the Seahawks here today.

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Belafon  Sep 24, 2017 • 5:40:14pm

re: #130 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

3 whole NFL teams didn’t even come out on the field during the anthem. Steelers, Seahawks, and I can’t remember the 3rd.

Rick Perry, is that you?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 24, 2017 • 5:41:19pm

re: #139 Belafon

Rick Perry, is that you?

More like Ben Carson.

[Snore.]

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b.d. (bill d.)  Sep 24, 2017 • 5:47:06pm

re: #136 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Facebook and RWNJ alt-news are on fire with the NFL protests today. RWNJ media liars and political shills are out in force to add their usual bullshit.
Texas governor posts fake news on Jerry Jones and the national anthem

LOL, the Cowboys cutting one of their players for their behavior?!?!

Hahahahahaha, and the wingnuts fell for it?

My God they ARE dumber than I thought.

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jaunte  Sep 24, 2017 • 5:48:04pm
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FormerDirtDart  Sep 24, 2017 • 5:50:56pm

I think the 150 might be a low number

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Sep 24, 2017 • 5:51:25pm
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goddamnedfrank  Sep 24, 2017 • 5:52:15pm

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retired cynic  Sep 24, 2017 • 5:52:30pm

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HIS America???

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 24, 2017 • 5:52:42pm
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Decatur Deb  Sep 24, 2017 • 5:52:59pm

MoveOn has an email petition up to finally scuttle Graham-Cassidy. I don’t know what email petitions are worth, but it couldn’t hoit.

(Note: If you give your email to MoveOn, you are friends forever.)

petitions.moveon.org

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 24, 2017 • 5:53:36pm

re: #144 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

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But no one is getting out. I love these White men who are descendants of European settlers (some of whom tried to wipe out the original natives) think they’re in a position to tell anyone to leave this country. Protestors aren’t going anywhere. Deal with that.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 24, 2017 • 5:55:15pm

re: #148 Decatur Deb

MoveOn has an email petition up to finally scuttle Graham-Cassidy. I don’t know what email petitions are worth, but it couldn’t hoit.

(Note: If you give your email to MoveOn, you are friends forever.)

petitions.moveon.org

Every Democratic office holder/candidate/organization on the face of the planet has a similar petition.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 24, 2017 • 5:56:01pm

re: #142 jaunte

Anything involving Blacks people = ghetto, I guess. Makes you wonder why these racists watch football since it’s majority Black.

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teleskiguy  Sep 24, 2017 • 5:57:20pm
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No Depression  Sep 24, 2017 • 5:57:27pm

re: #141 b.d. (bill d.)

LOL, the Cowboys cutting one of their players for their behavior?!?!

Hahahahahaha, and the wingnuts fell for it?

My God they ARE dumber than I thought.

Yeah my stepmom just praised Jerry Jones for his imaginary ultimatum and I’m thinking, “Yeah fucking right lol.” No Cowboys fan should take a story like that seriously at all. That ain’t Jerry at all.

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majii  Sep 24, 2017 • 5:57:28pm

re: #144 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

“Root is one of the most slavishly pro-Russian of the batshit evangelicals.”

I’ve noticed that none of those opposing NFL players kneeling during the anthem seem to acknowledge that without these players, owners lose millions.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 24, 2017 • 5:58:06pm

re: #150 Hecuba’s daughter

Every Democratic office holder/candidate/organization on the face of the planet has a similar petition.

Yup. That’s why I question the power of that medium. OTOH…

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 24, 2017 • 5:58:18pm

re: #136 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

So basically Rightwingers are okay with forced patriotism. Good to know. Fascists are coming out in droves thanks to Trump.

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retired cynic  Sep 24, 2017 • 5:59:20pm

Nancy LeTourneau has a good article in Washington Monthly, pointing out that Bernie Sanders’ speech on foreign policy was good, it copied heavily from what President Obama laid out during his terms. Amazing, that.

Where Sanders veered from Obama’s foreign policy principles was that, while the former president preferred the more nuanced approach of rejecting the “global war on terror” in favor of fighting organizations like ISIS and al Qaeda, Sanders was typically somewhat bombastic.

…

In the end, much of Sanders foreign policy vision is very similar to what was espoused by Obama. In that sense, it was the opposite of what we are witnessing today from Trump, but very much like what we saw during the previous administration.

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meteor  Sep 24, 2017 • 5:59:31pm

re: #124 Charles Johnson

I hope the courts laugh this one out of the room too.

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jaunte  Sep 24, 2017 • 6:00:06pm

re: #152 Patricia Kayden

Anything involving Blacks people = ghetto, I guess. Makes you wonder why these racists watch football since it’s majority Black.

They’re ok with it as long as the “owners” have all the power.

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Belafon  Sep 24, 2017 • 6:01:12pm

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 24, 2017 • 6:02:17pm

re: #160 meteor

I hope the courts laugh this one out of the room too.

with the way Trump is remaking the courts, we have to stop counting on them to do the right thing— they will be doing the “right wing” thing.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Sep 24, 2017 • 6:02:27pm

RWNJs are horrified to learn that the black “student-athletes” they brought in to help win football games ended up actually getting an education. Those tricky lib professors ignored the memo and pulled a fast one.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 24, 2017 • 6:03:50pm

re: #158 Patricia Kayden

So basically Rightwingers are okay with forced patriotism. Good to know. Fascists are coming out in droves thanks to Trump.

Bless him for bestowing the gift of clarity. When he is done, nothing will be sicklied over with the pale cast of thought.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Sep 24, 2017 • 6:07:09pm

Today’s NFL results:
Constitution 1 Trump 0

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jaunte  Sep 24, 2017 • 6:07:29pm
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NFL players: “You see all these stadiums, all those tv contracts, all that money? That’s power. We made that.”

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William Lewis  Sep 24, 2017 • 6:08:59pm

re: #152 Patricia Kayden

Anything involving Blacks people = ghetto, I guess. Makes you wonder why these racists watch football since it’s majority Black.

Same reason they like boxing - it’s amusing to watch the gladiators/slaves beat on one another.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 24, 2017 • 6:09:03pm

I told Mrs. Fish about the whole protest thing and about what Trump said. She said, “Oh good. He deserved that.” And given Mrs. Fish’s contrarian nature and how she enjoys arguing (even arguing a side she doesn’t actually agree with), that’s saying something.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 24, 2017 • 6:09:39pm

re: #144 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

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teleskiguy  Sep 24, 2017 • 6:09:44pm
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Semper Fi  Sep 24, 2017 • 6:09:58pm

re: #155 No Depression

Yeah my stepmom just praised Jerry Jones for his imaginary ultimatum and I’m thinking, “Yeah fucking right lol.” No Cowboys fan should take a story like that seriously at all. That ain’t Jerry at all.

Tomorrow, Monday Night Game of the Week, Cowboys face off against the Cardinals. I’d like to see everyone take a knee.

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Belafon  Sep 24, 2017 • 6:09:59pm

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Which is part of why so many conservatives are up in arms. Those blacks aren’t supposed to have power.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 24, 2017 • 6:11:11pm

re: #176 Belafon

Which is part of why so many conservatives are up in arms. Those blacks aren’t supposed to have power.

Solidarity is habit-forming.

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Belafon  Sep 24, 2017 • 6:11:41pm

re: #175 Semper Fi

Tomorrow, Monday Night Game of the Week, Cowboys face off against the Cardinals. I’d like to see everyone take a knee.

Dak and Whitten. The two most popular Cowboys.

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jaunte  Sep 24, 2017 • 6:11:47pm

re: #176 Belafon

They thought conservatives owned football, but it’s the talent that owns it.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 24, 2017 • 6:11:58pm

re: #172 Stanley Sea

He’ll be dead soon.

Yanno, you say that, but these rabid evangelicals have the annoying habit of living way longer than they should.

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A dark and stormy covfefe  Sep 24, 2017 • 6:12:56pm

How about a nice story to wrap up your weekend?

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jaunte  Sep 24, 2017 • 6:13:53pm

re: #180 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I suspect that deep down they don’t actually believe in an afterlife, so they try to live healthy, take few risks, and hang around here as long as possible.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Sep 24, 2017 • 6:14:21pm

re: #175 Semper Fi

Tomorrow, Monday Night Game of the Week, Cowboys face off against the Cardinals. I’d like to see everyone take a knee.

Ha, Jerry himself would take a knee if you tell him there is a reporter with a camera and microphone in the turf.

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teleskiguy  Sep 24, 2017 • 6:15:35pm

Very freaky how there’s tweets for every occasion.

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petesh  Sep 24, 2017 • 6:15:52pm

re: #103 HappyWarrior

Reminds me of the Aussie in the Mexico City Olympic photo.

Peter Norman was more involved in the protest. In solidarity, he wore an Olympic Project for Human Rights badge; more than that, when Carlos forgot his black gloves, it was Norman who suggested they wear one each. Norman got a lot of shit in Australia but never backed down. He still holds the national record, by the way, and when he passed away a couple of years back both Smith and Carlos hopped the first plane in order to attend his funeral.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 24, 2017 • 6:17:05pm

re: #184 teleskiguy

Likely referring to penalties, but still…

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teleskiguy  Sep 24, 2017 • 6:17:19pm

re: #184 teleskiguy

I know he’s probably talking about penalty flags. Still…

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stpaulbear  Sep 24, 2017 • 6:17:34pm

re: #182 jaunte

I suspect that deep down they don’t actually believe in an afterlife, so they try to live healthy, take few risks, and hang around here as long as possible.

Heaven doesn’t have luxury condominiums or limousines.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 24, 2017 • 6:18:58pm

re: #187 teleskiguy

I know he’s probably talking about penalty flags. Still…

Faster, Grasshopper.

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teleskiguy  Sep 24, 2017 • 6:20:10pm

re: #189 Decatur Deb

Faster, Grasshopper.

14 seconds! In ski racing that’s an eternity.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 24, 2017 • 6:20:31pm

What really needs to happen on the left: when an important issue comes up, a “task force” needs to be formed, with people who will continue to focus on just THAT issue, knowing that other task forces will form to deal with new issues. This way the issues won’t just slide away into the background because there will always be people keeping them front and center.

This kind of approach is more important than ever with Trump, because he’s putting out a blizzard of bad craziness, and it’s way too easy to get swept up in the latest outrage and forget the other important shit.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 24, 2017 • 6:20:58pm

re: #190 teleskiguy

14 seconds! In ski racing that’s an eternity.

In sport parachuting, it will put you in eternity.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 24, 2017 • 6:22:45pm

re: #191 Charles Johnson

What really needs to happen on the left: when an important issue comes up, a “task force” needs to be formed, with people who will continue to focus on just THAT issue, knowing that other task forces will form to deal with new issues. This way the issues won’t just slide away into the background because there will always be people keeping them front and center.

This kind of approach is more important than ever with Trump, because he’s putting out a blizzard of bad craziness, and it’s way too easy to get swept up in the latest outrage and forget the other important shit.

Trump is, effectively, a national-level, continuously ongoing Gish gallop of shit.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Sep 24, 2017 • 6:24:14pm

Trump has f*cked with the NFL on numerous occasions and has had his ass handed back to him each and every time.

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teleskiguy  Sep 24, 2017 • 6:25:03pm

Um? Say that again?

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Belafon  Sep 24, 2017 • 6:25:34pm

re: #191 Charles Johnson

What really needs to happen on the left: when an important issue comes up, a “task force” needs to be formed, with people who will continue to focus on just THAT issue, knowing that other task forces will form to deal with new issues. This way the issues won’t just slide away into the background because there will always be people keeping them front and center.

This kind of approach is more important than ever with Trump, because he’s putting out a blizzard of bad craziness, and it’s way too easy to get swept up in the latest outrage and forget the other important shit.

That was one of the things Sarah Kendzior mentioned before the inauguration. Focus on something you can take care of. There are plenty of us to go around. That will keep you from getting burnt out and it will mean that each issues will get a depth of coverage rather than a bunch of shallow surveys.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 24, 2017 • 6:26:18pm

re: #93 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Chris Murphy ✔ @ChrisMurphyCT
He just made this up out of whole cloth. Unreal.

16 states are net funding “winners” under #GrahamCasiddy. AK AZ ME KY are all net losers.

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That’s how bullshitters operate. Unfortunately it works very well on Trump’s stupid supporters.
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I wouldn’t call Trump’s supporters stupid — deluded, racist, and/or brainwashed are more applicable. The ones of my acquaintance would all do well on traditional IQ tests.

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nowherenorth2  Sep 24, 2017 • 6:26:30pm

re: #196 teleskiguy

Good god….what the hell…
This family and its ilk and followers are the ultimate gritters and charlatans

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TedStriker  Sep 24, 2017 • 6:26:30pm

re: #185 petesh

Peter Norman was more involved in the protest. In solidarity, he wore an Olympic Project for Human Rights badge; more than that, when Carlos forgot his black gloves, it was Norman who suggested they wear one each. Norman got a lot of shit in Australia but never backed down. He still holds the national record, by the way, and when he passed away a couple of years back both Smith and Carlos hopped the first plane in order to attend his funeral.

Norman caught more than “a lot of shit”, he was essentially blackballed and ostracized from Australian sports, ending his Olympic career; even as recently as the 2000 Olympics in Sydney, he was completely ignored by his fellow countrymen who were putting it all on.

After the salute, Norman’s career suffered greatly. A 2012 CNN profile noted that “he returned home to Australia a pariah, suffering unofficial sanction and ridicule as the Black Power salute’s forgotten man. He never ran in the Olympics again.”[13] He was not selected for the Olympic Games in Munich in 1972 despite turning in adequate times, and was not welcomed even three decades later at the 2000 Summer Olympics in Sydney.[14][15][16] Carlos later noted that “If we [Carlos and Smith] were getting beat up, Peter was facing an entire country and suffering alone.”[15][16]

en.wikipedia.org

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2017 • 6:30:50pm

re: #196 teleskiguy

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William Lewis  Sep 24, 2017 • 6:31:34pm

re: #180 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Yanno, you say that, but these rabid evangelicals have the annoying habit of living way longer than they should.

Their Lord Satan gives them energy …

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Belafon  Sep 24, 2017 • 6:31:56pm

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Belafon  Sep 24, 2017 • 6:33:47pm

re: #200 TedStriker

I went to look him up. Carlos and Smith remained his friends and were pallbearers at his funeral:

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Decatur Deb  Sep 24, 2017 • 6:34:03pm

re: #188 stpaulbear

Heaven doesn’t have luxury condominiums or limousines.

Jesus ain’t buying me a Mercedes Benz?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2017 • 6:34:48pm

re: #204 Belafon

I went to look him up. Carlos and Smith remained his friends and were pallbearers at his funeral:

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He was there for them and they for him. Terrible how he was treated at home in Australia.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 24, 2017 • 6:35:46pm

re: #204 Belafon

Thus proving the general rule: Don’t be a dick, stand up for what’s right, and while the majority will hate you, the friends you make will be there with you when you die. Sounds like something a certain religious figure prominent in American theology would say.

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Unshaken Defiance  Sep 24, 2017 • 6:36:32pm

re: #191 Charles Johnson

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2017 • 6:39:56pm

“Shut up and entertain me!”. In a way, it makes me think of the hot water Curt Flood got in when he called himself a well paid slave. I mean I get that these guys are wealthy. But I also know that a lot of them come from tough backgrounds and you know what, they’re allowed to express themselves too. If you don’t like that, that’s fine, you don’t have to watch but don’t fucking act like they have to shut up to entertain you and honestly you should be bothered a lot more by people waving CSA flags and swastikas than kneeling for the national anthem to bring attention to a big problem in our society. You tell people ot protest peacefully and they’re doing it but because it offends your conservative sensibilities, you bitch at em.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 24, 2017 • 6:40:41pm

Two dead people sing a great song, with a really timely message thrown in for free.

John Denver & Cass Elliot - Leaving On A Jet Plane

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teleskiguy  Sep 24, 2017 • 6:42:47pm

I pointed out to a FB “friend” that the Jerry Jones will fire players for not standing for the anthem story is fake. He called me un-American! Fucker has been airlocked from my FB.

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ObserverArt  Sep 24, 2017 • 6:44:51pm

re: #210 Decatur Deb

Two dead people sing a great song, with a really timely message thrown in for free.

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On my 18th birthday.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2017 • 6:45:13pm

re: #211 teleskiguy

I pointed out to a FB “friend” that the Jerry Jones will fire players for not standing for the anthem story is fake. He called me un-American! Fucker has been airlocked from my FB.

It’s like people live in an alternate universe isn’t it? I really blame right wing media for poisoning minds.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2017 • 6:48:23pm

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And this is why she shouldn’t shut up. Thank you Mrs. Clinton. Yes, they are American citizens. They need our government’s help much more than Trumpy raging against kneeling for the national anthem.

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TedStriker  Sep 24, 2017 • 6:50:55pm

re: #206 HappyWarrior

He was there for them and they for him. Terrible how he was treated at home in Australia.

Well, given Australia’s long-running discrimination and institutional racism against its Aboriginal population and its abatement that parallels the same rough time frame as the civil rights movement here in America, it makes a odd bit of sense that Norman, for standing with and sympathizing with those damn uppity n***ers (or whatever the Australian pejorative would be), would suffer for it.

The real shame about it is that Norman continued to suffer for it pretty much till the day he died, long after official government policies and mainstream Australian society had changed to be more inclusive, because the Australian sports community apparently felt that he should.

Fuck bigoted morons everywhere…

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Semper Fi  Sep 24, 2017 • 6:51:54pm

re: #211 teleskiguy

I pointed out to a FB “friend” that the Jerry Jones will fire players for not standing for the anthem story is fake. He called me un-American! Fucker has been airlocked from my FB.

I don’t understand how some don’t see that fighting for this country doesn’t always mean going to war…it could mean ‘taking a knee.’
I know its a reach but maybe history would be a little different if thousands of people took a knee in 1930’s Germany.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 24, 2017 • 6:53:32pm

re: #213 HappyWarrior

It’s like people live in an alternate universe isn’t it? I really blame right wing media for poisoning minds.

They live in a bubble. They literally do. They willfully exclude any information that does not agree with their preconceived notions, and allow in only those things which confirm them. This bubble is built via very subtle propaganda techniques which the right wing has perfected since the end of World War II. It’s sickening, but it’s remarkable in its scope and effectiveness.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2017 • 6:56:11pm

re: #216 TedStriker

Well, given Australia’s long-running discrimination and institutional racism against its Aboriginal population and its abatement that parallels the same rough time frame as the civil rights movement here in America, it makes a odd bit of sense that Norman, for standing with and sympathizing with those damn uppity n***ers (or whatever the Australian pejorative would be), would suffer for it.

The real shame about it is that Norman continued to suffer for it pretty much till the day he died, long after official government policies and mainstream Australian society had changed to be more inclusive, because the Australian sports community apparently felt that he should.

Fuck bigoted morons everywhere…

Oh yeah no doubt. Australia has had its problems with racism too. Many countries have.

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teleskiguy  Sep 24, 2017 • 6:56:55pm
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Weaselone  Sep 24, 2017 • 6:57:02pm

re: #218 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

They live in a bubble. They literally do. They willfully exclude any information that does not agree with their preconceived notions, and allow in only those things which confirm them. This bubble is built via very subtle propaganda techniques which the right wing has perfected since the end of World War II. It’s sickening, but it’s remarkable in its scope and effectiveness.

Subtle? There’s nothing subtle about it.

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freetoken  Sep 24, 2017 • 6:57:15pm

It’s not a random event of the universe that the butthurt over Star Trek: Discovery is coincident with butthurt over this whole flag/sports-ball thing.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 24, 2017 • 6:57:57pm

Merkel wins re-election but far-right nationalists made significant gains. I’m not having a good feeling about this.

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William Lewis  Sep 24, 2017 • 6:57:59pm

re: #210 Decatur Deb

Two dead people sing a great song, with a really timely message thrown in for free.

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I always wished I had been old enough to be her groupie… ;)

Thanks for the video.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 24, 2017 • 6:58:06pm

re: #221 Weaselone

Subtle? There’s nothing subtle about it.

Subtle enough that many very intelligent people have gotten sucked into its black hole of derp. You and I might think nothing of it now, but remember - I was a victim for almost twenty goddamn years of my life.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2017 • 6:58:31pm

re: #218 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

They live in a bubble. They literally do. They willfully exclude any information that does not agree with their preconceived notions, and allow in only those things which confirm them. This bubble is built via very subtle propaganda techniques which the right wing has perfected since the end of World War II. It’s sickening, but it’s remarkable in its scope and effectiveness.

I think I noticed that when I had some conservative Catholic neighborhood friends who did not go to public school insist to me that you can’t pray in public school. I had to politely explain that there was no forced public prayer which is really the foundation for the Engle v Vitale decision that supposedly outlawed prayer in school. I like to joke that you certainly can pray in public school because there are no atheists in a seventh period Mathematics pop quiz on a Friday afternoon. *

*I actually did have Math seventh grade & seventh period and it was one of the most difficult academic experiences of my life.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 24, 2017 • 6:58:35pm

re: #222 freetoken

It’s not a random event of the universe that the butthurt over Star Trek: Discovery is coincident with butthurth over this whole flag/sports-ball thing.

Wait, what butthurt is this? I’m missing something. Do I now need to suddenly applaud J. J. Abrams?

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Belafon  Sep 24, 2017 • 6:59:10pm

re: #222 freetoken

It’s not a random event of the universe that the butthurt over Star Trek: Discovery is coincident with butthurt over this whole flag/sports-ball thing.

It’s the exact butthurt that got a woman-groping white supremacist elected.

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freetoken  Sep 24, 2017 • 6:59:25pm

re: #227 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Self declared MRAs are whining about Discovery being a SJW thing.

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Belafon  Sep 24, 2017 • 6:59:35pm

re: #227 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Wait, what butthurt is this? I’m missing something. Do I now need to suddenly applaud J. J. Abrams?

Do you know how many female captains there are?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2017 • 6:59:41pm

re: #223 GlutenFreeJesus

Merkel wins re-election but far-right nationalists made significant gains. I’m not having a good feeling about this.

First time in a long time that a far right party has gotten seats in the Bundenstag I believe. Scary. I really hope this far right stuff can die down soon but I fear it won’t.

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TedStriker  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:00:29pm

re: #227 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Wait, what butthurt is this? I’m missing something. Do I now need to suddenly applaud J. J. Abrams?

The meathead rabble being so upset that Discovery’s captain is a woman.

Not only that, but that women and minorities have a high profile in the rest of the main cast…just like in every other Trek series back to TOS.

Fucking bigoted, racist idiots…

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:00:37pm

re: #230 Belafon

Do you know how many female captains there are?

Oho, is that what happened? I like it, even though I was never a big fan of Janeway personally. Also, there are certainly an unnamed number of female captains through the history of Starfleet.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:02:38pm

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That’s Ray Lewis, second from the right.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:02:40pm

newyorker.com

Good read from the New Yorker here. This is certainly right on. And this kind of speaks to a weakness by a Senator from Vermont has on the issues. Sorry the premise is basically that the word “ungrateful” is the new “uppity” to describe black people who dare to speak their minds.

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Weaselone  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:04:24pm

re: #225 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Subtle enough that many very intelligent people have gotten sucked into its black hole of derp. You and I might think nothing of it now, but remember - I was a victim for almost twenty goddamn years of my life.

I considered myself a Republican until a couple years into college. Just because the black hole of derp is good at drawing stuff into it and almost impossible to escape doesn’t make it particularly subtle. It’s really close to devotion to a particular sports team. The bias and silliness is pretty clear to anyone not cheering for the team, but on the inside you’ve got fans willing to stand up for a coach after it’s revealed he stood by knowing someone was diddling underage boys.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:05:30pm

re: #236 Weaselone

I considered myself a Republican until a couple years into college. Just because the black hole of derp is good at drawing stuff into it and almost impossible to escape doesn’t make it particularly subtle. It’s really close to devotion to a particular sports team. The bias and silliness is pretty clear to anyone not cheering for the team, but on the inside you’ve got fans willing to stand up for a coach after it’s revealed he stood by knowing someone was diddling underage boys.

That’s … all fair enough. I didn’t know your story was similar to mine. Respect from a fellow refugee from the dark side.

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calochortus  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:06:58pm

re: #226 HappyWarrior

I think I noticed that when I had some conservative Catholic neighborhood friends who did not go to public school insist to me that you can’t pray in public school. I had to politely explain that there was no forced public prayer which is really the foundation for the Engle v Vitale decision that supposedly outlawed prayer in school. I like to joke that you certainly can pray in public school because there are no atheists in a seventh period Mathematics pop quiz on a Friday afternoon. *

*I actually did have Math seventh grade & seventh period and it was one of the most difficult academic experiences of my life.

I know you’re joking, but I was an atheist under those circumstances. When you are raised without religion it often doesn’t occur to one that prayer could provide one with useful answers to math questions.
It’s the same with atheists in foxholes. You don’t suddenly call on a deity you don’t think exists, though if you are simply a backslid believer, you might well do that.

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Weaselone  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:07:07pm

re: #232 TedStriker

The meathead rabble being so upset that Discovery’s captain is a woman.

Not only that, but that women and minorities have a high profile in rest of the main cast…just like in every other Trek series back to TOS.

Fucking bigoted, racist idiots…

Not only is the captain a woman, but an Asian woman and the first officer is a black woman.

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TedStriker  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:07:34pm

re: #233 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Oho, is that what happened? I like it, even though I was never a big fan of Janeway personally. Also, there are certainly an unnamed number of female captains through the history of Starfleet.

Rachel Garrett as captain of the ill-fated Enterprise-C (TNG), as well as Troi, Crusher, and Kira serving as commanding officers at times during their respective series.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:07:40pm

re: #237 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

That’s … all fair enough. I didn’t know your story was similar to mine. Respect from a fellow refugee from the dark side.

I’ve told people like you and Weasel before but I have so much respect for you guys who were Republicans/conservative especially if you were brought up in it for finding your own voice. I imagine it can’t be easy given how many conservatives and Republicans are about going against the mold.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:08:24pm

re: #217 Semper Fi

I don’t understand how some don’t see that fighting for this country doesn’t always mean going to war…it could mean ‘taking a knee.’
I know its a reach but maybe history would be a little different if thousands of people took a knee in 1930’s Germany.

Rosa Parks

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:09:43pm

re: #238 calochortus

I know you’re joking, but I was an atheist under those circumstances. When you are raised without religion it often doesn’t occur to one that prayer could provide one with useful answers to math questions.
It’s the same with atheists in foxholes. You don’t suddenly call on a deity you don’t think exists, though if you are simply a backslid believer, you might well do that.

Heh I know. But seriously though, I certainly did pray a few times during the moment of silence in school specifically the day my Nana passed away. I’m no longer really a praying person but I hate that lie about prayer in school so much. And honestly I think from a spiritual perspective, forced prayer is much more harmful than no prayer at all. Prayer is supposed to be personal.

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TedStriker  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:10:23pm

re: #239 Weaselone

Not only is the captain a woman, but an Asian woman and the first officer is a black woman.

I’m glad Discovery has the MRAs and bigots all apoplectic, because it proves that they aren’t really Trek fans at all; tolerance and inclusiveness has been a cornerstone of the ST franchise all the way back to TOS (even if Shatner seems to be contracting Trumpitis as of late, we can’t forget what he and Nichols did with their on-screen kiss and how they staged it).

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:12:01pm

The stupid wingnuts think everytime a minority has a position of an authority on a television show, it must be because of some social agenda by the writers. They never thought “Hey this person is a talented actor/actress and can portray this really well.” I enjoyed Law and Order a lot. Anita Van Buren, an African-American lieutenant was a perfect example of that. She was Briscoe, Logan, and so many other mostly men’s superior and she did a great job of that.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:12:03pm

re: #244 TedStriker

I’m glad Discovery has the MRAs and bigots all apoplectic, because it proves that they aren’t really Trek fans at all; tolerance and inclusiveness has been a cornerstone of the ST franchise all the way back to TOS.

God’s sake, the first inter-racial on-screen kiss was engineered by William Shatner and Nichelle Nichols (they basically forced the editors to use the shot by tanking all of the other shots for that scene).

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:12:33pm

re: #244 TedStriker

I’m glad Discovery has the MRAs and bigots all apoplectic, because it proves that they aren’t really Trek fans at all; tolerance and inclusiveness has been a cornerstone of the ST franchise all the way back to TOS.

Hell I’m not even a fan/watcher of the show but I know that. It’s what Roddenberry wanted.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:12:48pm

re: #232 TedStriker

The meathead rabble being so upset that Discovery’s captain is a woman.

Not only that, but that women and minorities have a high profile in the rest of the main cast…just like in every other Trek series back to TOS.

Fucking bigoted, racist idiots…

LOL, Star Trek ruined the little wingnuts safe space?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:12:53pm

re: #232 TedStriker

And you know. Actual aliens. lol

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Single-handed sailor  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:14:59pm

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calochortus  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:15:36pm

I was thinking earlier today about the “disrespecting the flag” kerfuffle. I’ve never really understood the consecration of strictly secular symbols-even if they are patriotic in nature. You don’t want to stand for the national anthem? OK. You don’t treat the flag with respect? Not a problem.
But I do care whether you treat the country and its citizens with care and respect.
I wonder if it relates to my strictly secular upbringing and lack of other sacred items in my life?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:15:40pm

re: #246 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

God’s sake, the first inter-racial on-screen kiss was engineered by William Shatner and Nichelle Nichols (they basically forced the editors to use the shot by tanking all of the other shots for that scene).

When you think about it, ST was quite revolutionary for its time. Two Jewish actors, a couple white Christians, an African American woman, and a Japanese-American man. Star Trek was never really my thing but I appreciate that Roddenebrry created a world where people of many backgrounds work together to solve problems. I work in a diverse law firm. My boss is Iranian-American. The other clerks I’ve worked with have come from unique backgrounds as well and many of our clientale does too and then my personal life where I have a Peruvian-American SiL and my SiL’s sister is married to a trilingual El Salvadorian American who is such a terrific uncle to my niece and a great guy in general.

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JordanRules  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:16:25pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:17:05pm

re: #251 calochortus

I was thinking earlier today about the “disrespecting the flag” kerfuffle. I’ve never really understood the consecration of strictly secular symbols-even if they are patriotic in nature. You don’t want to stand for the national anthem? OK. You don’t treat the flag with respect? Not a problem.
But I do care whether you treat the country and its citizens with care and respect.
I wonder if it relates to my strictly secular upbringing and lack of other sacred items in my life?

That’s a good point. I’m bothered less by kneeling for the flag than the shit Trump did first as a candidate- attacking McCain’s service,attacking the Khans, and Judge Curiel than that. That to me is far more offensive than someone kneelng quietly during the national anthem.

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TedStriker  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:17:37pm

re: #248 b.d. (bill d.)

LOL, Star Trek ruined the little wingnuts safe space?

That’s the thing…the He-Man Club and the bigots are so fucking clueless and oblivious to ever think that ST was a “safe space” for them.

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TedStriker  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:17:46pm

re: #249 GlutenFreeJesus

And you know. Actual aliens. lol

Tru dat…

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calochortus  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:18:52pm

re: #254 HappyWarrior

That’s a good point. I’m bothered less by kneeling for the flag than the shit Trump did first as a candidate- attacking McCain’s service,attacking the Khans, and Judge Curiel than that. That to me is far more offensive than someone kneelng quietly during the national anthem.

Attacking sincere people of good will is never a good plan.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:20:13pm

re: #257 calochortus

Attacking sincere people of good will is never a good plan.

See, e.g., Gandhi, Mohandas; King, Dr. Martin Luther, Jr.

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mmmirele  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:21:14pm

re: #252 HappyWarrior

When you think about it, ST was quite revolutionary for its time. Two Jewish actors, a couple white Christians, an African American woman, and a Japanese-American man. Star Trek was never really my thing but I appreciate that Roddenebrry created a world where people of many backgrounds work together to solve problems. I work in a diverse law firm. My boss is Iranian-American. The other clerks I’ve worked with have come from unique backgrounds as well and many of our clientale does too and then my personal life where I have a Peruvian-American SiL and my SiL’s sister is married to a trilingual El Salvadorian American who is such a terrific uncle to my niece and a great guy in general.

Well, think about it this way: one of the characters was obviously Japanese, and we’d only finished up a war with Japan in 1945. Another character was obviously Russian, and we had the Cold War going on. Lt. Uhura was African-American and a woman! Yeah, of course the captain was supposed to be a white male, but Roddenberry knew what he was doing. And as a kid watching ST:TOS, I couldn’t help but absorb that the future world could be a better place. We’re still trying to get there.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:21:49pm

re: #259 mmmirele

Well, think about it this way: one of the characters was obviously Japanese, and we’d only finished up a war with Japan in 1945. Another character was obviously Russian, and we had the Cold War going on. Lt. Uhura was African-American and a woman! Yeah, of course the captain was supposed to be a white male, but Roddenberry knew what he was doing. And as a kid watching ST:TOS, I couldn’t help but absorb that the future world could be a better place. We’re still trying to get there.

Takei was, of course, a literal survivor of the Japanese internment camps.

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Weaselone  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:21:57pm

re: #254 HappyWarrior

That’s a good point. I’m bothered less by kneeling for the flag than the shit Trump did first as a candidate- attacking McCain’s service,attacking the Khans, and Judge Curiel than that. That to me is far more offensive than someone kneelng quietly during the national anthem.

Kneeling for the flag isn’t even particularly disrespectful. It’ not like they’re flipping the bird or turning around and dropping trow. Meanwhile people in the stadium and watching at home are using the time to take a pregame dump.

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mmmirele  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:23:05pm

re: #260 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Takei was, of course, a literal survivor of the Japanese internment camps.

Yeah. I still can’t get over that. Just cannot get over that we locked people up because they happened to have parents and grandparents who were Japanese. But of course, we really didn’t do the same to Americans of German and Italian descent!

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Belafon  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:23:34pm

re: #251 calochortus

I was thinking earlier today about the “disrespecting the flag” kerfuffle. I’ve never really understood the consecration of strictly secular symbols-even if they are patriotic in nature. You don’t want to stand for the national anthem? OK. You don’t treat the flag with respect? Not a problem.
But I do care whether you treat the country and its citizens with care and respect.
I wonder if it relates to my strictly secular upbringing and lack of other sacred items in my life?

It’s become a mission of mine, even though I am an atheist, to point out that there’s a reason the ten commandments includes a prohibition against idols. Whoever wrote the commandments knew from experience that idols tend to replace the thing they were representing as the object of people’s affections.

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No Depression  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:23:52pm

re: #236 Weaselone

I considered myself a Republican until a couple years into college. Just because the black hole of derp is good at drawing stuff into it and almost impossible to escape doesn’t make it particularly subtle. It’s really close to devotion to a particular sports team. The bias and silliness is pretty clear to anyone not cheering for the team, but on the inside you’ve got fans willing to stand up for a coach after it’s revealed he stood by knowing someone was diddling underage boys.

The only escape from that black hole is being forced to interact with people who think very differently from you on a daily basis and being decent enough that a few of those people become your friends despite your fucked up views. That was my college experience any way. I was open about my conservatism and justifiably got my head ripped off a few times when I spouted offensive bullshit, but others were kind to me. And I eventually came around because those experiences made me really think my views through. Escape can be extremely challenging and unlikely in most cases, but it can be done with plenty of humility and introspection.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:24:08pm

re: #261 Weaselone

Kneeling for the flag isn’t even particularly disrespectful. It’ not like they’re flipping the bird or turning around and dropping trow. Meanwhile people in the stadium and watching at home are using the time to take a pregame dump.

TBH I almost always use that time to take a quick piss at home. I don’t know anyone who stands at home. I’m honestly tired of this wave of nationalism we’ve seen 9/11. Lest we forget but other nationalities lost lives that day too.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:25:19pm

re: #192 Decatur Deb

In sport parachuting, it will put you in eternity.

Hello Deb, I woke up to a nightmare this morning of me parachuting to an island where my ‘friend’ didn’t pull the chute as required. I awoke before the death crash. There was a death crash.

Had to share, because when a nightmare lasts till the next evening…

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:25:22pm

re: #259 mmmirele

Well, think about it this way: one of the characters was obviously Japanese, and we’d only finished up a war with Japan in 1945. Another character was obviously Russian, and we had the Cold War going on. Lt. Uhura was African-American and a woman! Yeah, of course the captain was supposed to be a white male, but Roddenberry knew what he was doing. And as a kid watching ST:TOS, I couldn’t help but absorb that the future world could be a better place. We’re still trying to get there.

Had forgotten the Russian. But yeah we still have a way to go.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:25:22pm

re: #262 mmmirele

Yeah. I still can’t get over that. Just cannot get over that we locked people up because they happened to have parents and grandparents who were Japanese. But of course, we really didn’t do the same to Americans of German and Italian descent!

I have such immense respect for the man. A survivor of a blatant American atrocity, an out-of-the-closet homosexual, and yet the guy is still kicking ass and taking names and all of his fans adore him. One fucks with Commander Sulu at one’s own peril.

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calochortus  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:26:26pm

re: #262 mmmirele

Yeah. I still can’t get over that. Just cannot get over that we locked people up because they happened to have parents and grandparents who were Japanese. But of course, we really didn’t do the same to Americans of German and Italian descent!

I think it was done occasionally, as with the leaders of the German American Bund, but it’s much harder to spot someone of German descent than Asian, and at the time the “German” was much more likely to be of mixed national origin than the Japanese.

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danarchy  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:27:38pm

re: #222 freetoken

It’s not a random event of the universe that the butthurt over Star Trek: Discovery is coincident with butthurt over this whole flag/sports-ball thing.

I haven’t been paying much attention. What butthurt has there been over Star Trek Discovery?

I watched the first episode tonight, it was pretty meh. Certainly don’t plan to pay for a new subscription service to watch the rest.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:28:27pm

re: #269 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I have such immense respect for the man. A survivor of a blatant American atrocity, an out-of-the-closet homosexual, and yet the guy is still kicking ass and taking names and all of his fans adore him. One fucks with Commander Sulu at one’s own peril.

He’s also hilarious. I loved how he taunted that school board member was who said gay students should just kill themselves. Our problem really to me seems to be a lack of empathy. I think many established Americans for example have no understanding of how difficult immigration and naturalization is for people.

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teleskiguy  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:28:55pm

re: #267 Stanley Sea

Hello Deb, I woke up to a nightmare this morning of me parachuting to an island where my ‘friend’ didn’t pull the chute as required. I awoke before the death crash. There was a death crash.

Had to share, because when a nightmare lasts till the next evening…

I have dreams like that periodically. I’m skiing and I jump off a cliff and the cliff just gives way to empty void. I always wake up in a cold sweat when I splat land.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:29:46pm

re: #272 HappyWarrior

He’s also hilarious. I loved how he taunted that school board member was who said gay students should just kill themselves. Our problem really to me seems to be a lack of empathy. I think many established Americans for example have no understanding of how difficult immigration and naturalization is for people.

I read a Cracked article years ago talking about how most of the best comedians have tragic pasts. They have to laugh, or otherwise they’d cry. It makes me wonder sometimes about my own acerbic wit and what untold horrors people might say I overcame when I am gone. Oh, wait, I’ll never be that famous.

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No Depression  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:29:50pm

re: #250 Single-handed sailor

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:30:16pm

re: #270 calochortus

I think it was done occasionally, as with the leaders of the German American Bund, but it’s much harder to spot someone of German descent than Asian, and at the time the “German” was much more likely to be of mixed national origin than the Japanese.

Yeah I think first generation Germans and Italians did face some mistreatment but from what I know my German born great grandfather not only wasn’t but served on the war ration board. Wouldn’t have happened were he Japanese born.

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scottslemmons  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:31:08pm

Don’t the wingnuts kneel in church? Do they think they’re disrespecting God when they take communion?

Why the hell can’t we weaponize all this derp? Can’t we tell them Reagan said the only way to respect America was to shoot themselves in the head?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:32:22pm

re: #277 scottslemmons

Don’t the wingnuts kneel in church? Do they think they’re disrespecting God when they take communion?

Why the hell can’t we weaponize all this derp? Can’t we tell them Reagan said the only way to respect America was to shoot themselves in the head?

Too messy but the great Reagan did say clean water was a mark of communism.//

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BeachDem  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:34:23pm

re: #235 HappyWarrior

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Good read from the New Yorker here. This is certainly right on. And this kind of speaks to a weakness by a Senator from Vermont has on the issues. Sorry the premise is basically that the word “ungrateful” is the new “uppity” to describe black people who dare to speak their minds.

Last night I got to meet the only “declared” Dem candidate for 2020, John Delaney. (He has about as much chance of becoming president as I do.) The first thing he said to me was (paraphrasing) Democrats need to stick to what matters to people, and that’s their jobs and their paycheck. That’s what Dems should run on, and they should really focus on that.

I responded that Democrats can walk and chew gum at the same time, and that, while that’s important, there are other things that are as or more important.

He stood there in silence. I don’t think I made a very good first impression—oh well.

His speech continued on that same front—not one word about voter suppression or civil rights or women or healthcare—just “Dems gotta get out and vote and we need to remember those peeps who’ve been forgotten or whose jobs have gone away.”

So sick of the singular focus bullshit—the guy endorsed Hillary, but he sounded just like a Bernie Bro last night.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:35:01pm

re: #210 Decatur Deb

Two dead people sing a great song, with a really timely message thrown in for free.

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I think everyone here has done it, but if I’m missing anyone.

The Midnight Special is something to watch. Every single one.

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whitebeach  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:35:08pm

re: #259 mmmirele

Well, think about it this way: one of the characters was obviously Japanese, and we’d only finished up a war with Japan in 1945. Another character was obviously Russian, and we had the Cold War going on. Lt. Uhura was African-American and a woman! Yeah, of course the captain was supposed to be a white male, but Roddenberry knew what he was doing. And as a kid watching ST:TOS, I couldn’t help but absorb that the future world could be a better place. We’re still trying to get there.

I could be wrong, but IIRC the first romantic interracial kiss on a network TV series was between Kirk and Uhuru.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:35:44pm

re: #281 whitebeach

See my re: #246 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

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No Depression  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:36:24pm

re: #277 scottslemmons

Don’t the wingnuts kneel in church? Do they think they’re disrespecting God when they take communion?

Why the hell can’t we weaponize all this derp? Can’t we tell them Reagan said the only way to respect America was to shoot themselves in the head?

“Ronald Reagan was an evolutionist. It’s true! He raised a chimp like a human child in the documentary Bedtime for Bonzo! Only evolutionists think chimps can be human!”

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:37:24pm

re: #279 BeachDem

Last night I got to meet the only “declared” Dem candidate for 2020, John Delaney. (He has about as much chance of becoming president as I do.) The first thing he said to me was (paraphrasing) Democrats need to stick to what matters to people, and that’s their jobs and their paycheck. That’s what Dems should run on, and they should really focus on that.

I responded that Democrats can walk and chew gum at the same time, and that, while that’s important, there are other things that are as or more important.

He stood there in silence. I don’t think I made a very good first impression—oh well.

His speech continued on that same front—not one word about voter suppression or civil rights or women or healthcare—just “Dems gotta get out and vote and we need to remember those peeps who’ve been forgotten or whose jobs have gone away.”

So sick of the singular focus bullshit—the guy endorsed Hillary, but he sounded just like a Bernie Bro last night.

Yeah I don’t get that mindset at all. We can and we do talk about all issues. As for Delaney, I don’t get his deal. And those things you talk about matter to people too.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:37:34pm

re: #210 Decatur Deb

I haven’t seen Cass in a long time.

Magical voice.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:37:37pm

re: #130 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

3 whole NFL teams didn’t even come out on the field during the anthem. Steelers, Seahawks, and I can’t remember the 3rd.

Secretary Perry? Is that you?
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TedStriker  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:37:46pm

re: #269 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I have such immense respect for the man. A survivor of a blatant American atrocity, an out-of-the-closet homosexual, and yet the guy is still kicking ass and taking names and all of his fans adore him. One fucks with Commander Captain Sulu at one’s own peril.

Don’t forget that Sulu had been given command of the Excelsior prior to the beginning of ST VI: The Undiscovered Country and was as much of a kickass captain as Kirk during the course of the movie…

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Belafon  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:40:10pm

re: #288 FormerDirtDart

It’s a win for the wealthy people in the state, in other words.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:40:40pm

The truth is many whites even many white liberals are uncomfortable talking race and its impact. As Coates got at in his article from two weeks back, that made HRC truly more aware than Bernie, Webb, Chaffee, & O’Malley.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:41:35pm

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BlueSpotinAL  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:41:43pm

re: #96 Unshaken Defiance

So my highest respects to a church usher who physically stopped a hate crime gunman. The good guy got it done. Without killing.

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That my friends is what it takes when some violent hater comes killing. Step up and stop it if you must. Not everyone can run or hide.

Also, yell for everybody else to run (otherwise they may stay frozen).

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I wouldn’t be surprised if somehow there are emoluments violations in play here.

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teleskiguy  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:43:55pm

re: #293 HappyWarrior

Hey! It’s Enrico Pollatzo.

“For the ramparts we watched, a da da, da da, da da da…
And the rocket’s big glare
Bunch of bombs in the air
Gave proof through the day
That we still had our flag…”

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:44:05pm

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Which includes Puerto Rico, Mr. Wingnut whom failed American geography.

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TedStriker  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:44:38pm

re: #295 Kragar

You do know that Puerto Rico is a US territory and, as such, Puerto Ricans are US citizens, right, Robert?

Fucking idiot…

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calochortus  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:45:10pm

re: #298 HappyWarrior

Which includes Puerto Rico, Mr. Wingnut whom failed American geography.

Yeah, but they’re not Real ‘Muricans. Why, they live over there on an island for heaven’s sake.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:50:24pm

It was pretty cool last night. Was at a game with my SiL’s sister and her husband. She’s Peruvian and he’s El Salvadoran. We sat behind a group of Dominicans. My Dad asked my SiL’s husband if he could tell where they were from based on their Spanish. Dad knows Spanish but doesn’t know dialects. Anyhow we ended up becoming friends with the group and enjoyed the game together. My SiL’s husband later explained to us that Carribean Spanish is very fast paced making it difficult for even a fellow native Spanish speaker to pick up on. He also says his hybrid Spanish- Salvadoran combined with the Peruvian my sil speaks has people always wondering about his origin.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:51:17pm

re: #285 Stanley Sea

I haven’t seen Cass in a long time.

Magical voice.

Denver’s song, but the P,P&M version was the iconic one for the late 60s.

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TedStriker  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:52:16pm

re: #287 TedStriker

Don’t forget that Sulu had been given command of the Excelsior prior to the beginning of ST VI: The Undiscovered Country and was as much of a kickass captain as Kirk during the course of the movie…

One of my favorite scenes from the movie is where Sulu is awakened by his comms officer (cameoed by Christian Slater), because Starfleet is asking if Excelsior knows the whereabouts of Enterprise. When Sulu tells his comms officer to tell Starfleet that they don’t know (even though he does and/or suspects that Spock and the Enterprise is planning a rescue mission for Kirk and McCoy) and the comms officer questions that response, Sulu growls at him, “You have hearing problems, mister?”, to which the comms officer said, “No, sir!” and left.

I always loved that.

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scottslemmons  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:54:58pm

re: #304 TedStriker

One of my favorite scenes from the movie is where Sulu is awakened by his comms officer (cameoed by Christian Slater), because Starfleet is asking if Excelsior knows the whereabouts of Enterprise. When Sulu tells his comms officer to tell Starfleet that they don’t know (even though he does and/or suspects that Enterprise is planning a rescue mission for Kirk and McCoy) and the comms officer double-takes, Sulu growls at him, “You have hearing problems, mister?”, to which the comms officer said, “No, sir!” and left.

I always loved that.

“Undiscovered Country” had a pretty significant problems (though it’s still my second-favorite Trek movie) but they did so right by Sulu.

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William Lewis  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:57:08pm

re: #303 Decatur Deb

Denver’s song, but the P,P&M version was the iconic one for the late 60s.

The earliest record I remember was the copy of Peter, Paul and Mommy my parents had. I bought a copy for John a long time later…

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:57:11pm

re: #302 goddamnedfrank

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BeachDem  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:57:55pm

Mara kind of says it all:

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Stanley Sea  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:59:02pm

re: #235 HappyWarrior

newyorker.com

Good read from the New Yorker here. This is certainly right on. And this kind of speaks to a weakness by a Senator from Vermont has on the issues. Sorry the premise is basically that the word “ungrateful” is the new “uppity” to describe black people who dare to speak their minds.

Fucking a.

thanks for posting

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2017 • 7:59:49pm

re: #308 BeachDem

Mara kind of says it all:

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Leave their politics out of it? Like anti gay people who want to deny service to gay consumers?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2017 • 8:00:38pm

re: #309 Stanley Sea

Fucking a.

thanks for posting

Saw it on FB earlier. It’s so true isn’t it?

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calochortus  Sep 24, 2017 • 8:06:14pm

Time for The Vietnam War and I can’t give it enough attention while reading here.
Hasta mañana, lizards.

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TedStriker  Sep 24, 2017 • 8:07:13pm

re: #305 scottslemmons

“Undiscovered Country” had a pretty significant problems (though it’s still my second-favorite Trek movie) but they did so right by Sulu.

Undiscovered Country laid the end-of-the-Cold-War allegory on thick and deep, but the cast’s performances (even Shatner’s) was pretty damn good. For me, Sulu as captain of the Excelsior, as well as Plummer, Cattrall, Iman, David Warner, and Kurtwood Smith’s performances (as well as Michael Dorn’s cameo as a lawyer ancestor of his TNG/DS9 character Worf, tasked with Kirk and McCoy’s defense in Klingon court) made the movie much better than its immediate predecessor in the series.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 24, 2017 • 8:07:22pm

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2017 • 8:08:01pm

re: #312 Ace-o-aces

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2017 • 8:11:16pm

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Joe’s concerned. Nothing more pathetic than a dude who carried water for Trump complaining that black athletes expressing their opinions is “helping” him.

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whitebeach  Sep 24, 2017 • 8:11:35pm

re: #313 calochortus

Time for The Vietnam War and I can’t give it enough attention while reading here.
Hasta mañana, lizards.

First half of 1968 tonight. I can’t say I enjoy this series, even though I learn things I didn’t know in every episode. It’s just that every moment is like tearing open another old scar, it all comes back so hard.

ETA: But I can’t miss a minute of it.

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majii  Sep 24, 2017 • 8:13:07pm

re: #285 Stanley Sea

“I haven’t seen Cass in a long time.”

“Magical voice.”

Back in the day, she, Carly Simon, and Janis Joplin were three of my favorite singers.

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Kragar  Sep 24, 2017 • 8:13:12pm

re: #312 Ace-o-aces

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jaunte  Sep 24, 2017 • 8:14:26pm

re: #321 majii

“I haven’t seen Cass in a long time.”

“Magical voice.”

Back in the day, she, Carly Simon, and Janis Joplin were three of my favorite singers.

You might enjoy this album of her doing duets with Dave Mason:
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FormerDirtDart  Sep 24, 2017 • 8:15:45pm

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“… The suspect told Secret Service officers and agents that he was going to the White House to speak with National Security Agency Director Admiral Mike Rogers and Defense Secretary James Mattis “for advice on missing paychecks and how to get the chip out of my head,” according to the incident report obtained by CNN. …”

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Stanley Sea  Sep 24, 2017 • 8:16:31pm

re: #243 HappyWarrior

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 24, 2017 • 8:17:26pm

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scottslemmons  Sep 24, 2017 • 8:19:38pm

re: #314 TedStriker

Undiscovered Country laid the end-of-the-Cold-War allegory on thick and deep, but the cast’s performances (even Shatner’s) was pretty damn good. For me, Sulu as captain of the Excelsior, as well as Plummer, Cattrall, Iman, David Warner, and Kurtwood Smith’s performances (as well as Michael Dorn’s cameo as a lawyer ancestor of his TNG/DS9 character Worf, tasked with Kirk and McCoy’s defense in Klingon court) were made the movie.

Takei, Plummer, and David Warner made the movie for me. There was a lot of great stuff in it, and up ‘til pretty recently, I thought of it as fairly flawless. The Tor sci-fi publisher’s website had a rewatch/review of the movie (it’s a very long article, btw) that pointed out some of the more dunderheaded decisions made by the writers, though I think they note that the acting is pretty damn great across the board.

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Targetpractice  Sep 24, 2017 • 8:20:20pm

re: #317 goddamnedfrank

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What it really says about conservatives is that they’re mean-spirited fucks who define their world now by what angers others. Not what is good for the country, not what is in line with the values and rights they supposedly hold dear, but whether or not people they will never personally know are angry.

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whitebeach  Sep 24, 2017 • 8:20:29pm

re: #324 FormerDirtDart

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And yet this dude had no problem getting his hands on nine guns.

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JordanRules  Sep 24, 2017 • 8:33:30pm

re: #331 goddamnedfrank

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teleskiguy  Sep 24, 2017 • 8:37:36pm

I really wish more NFL players did cartwheels and backflips in the end zone during the national anthem. That would draw more attention to sports and sportsball and draw attention away from stupid bullshit Fuckface Von Clownstick tweets in between threats of nuclear war.

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teleskiguy  Sep 24, 2017 • 8:40:35pm

re: #333 teleskiguy

I don’t watch the NFL, but I did see somewhere on Twitter that a player did sitting stretching exercises during the national anthem. That’s what the players should do. Instead of just standing there on the sideline, get limber! You’re about to play a USA football game on the pro level, ya gots to be limber for that shit!

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Stanley Sea  Sep 24, 2017 • 8:41:18pm

re: #254 HappyWarrior

That’s a good point. I’m bothered less by kneeling for the flag than the shit Trump did first as a candidate- attacking McCain’s service,attacking the Khans, and Judge Curiel than that. That to me is far more offensive than someone kneelng quietly during the national anthem.

Dennis Green “They are what we thought they were, and we let them off the hook!”

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2017 • 8:42:16pm

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Kragar  Sep 24, 2017 • 8:43:10pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2017 • 8:43:47pm

re: #334 teleskiguy

I don’t watch the NFL, but I did see somewhere on Twitter that a player did sitting stretching exercises during the national anthem. That’s what the players should do. Instead of just standing there on the sideline, get limber! You’re about to play a USA football game on the pro level, ya gots to be limber for that shit!

To be honest I just hate the combo of patriotism with sport. And I’m sure you read that football players coming out for the anthem is a new thing.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2017 • 8:44:03pm

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JordanRules  Sep 24, 2017 • 8:47:15pm

re: #334 teleskiguy

Here ya go! It was pretty glorious.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 24, 2017 • 8:47:16pm

Of note, a lawyer might want to look into Mr. Trump’s tirade against NFL players:

18 United States Code, Section 227:

(a) Whoever, being a covered government person, with the intent to influence, solely
on the basis of partisan political affiliation, an employment decision or employment practice of any private entity—

(1) takes or withholds, or offers or threatens to take or withhold, an official act, or

(2) influences, or offers or threatens to influence, the official act of another,

shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than 15 years, or both, and may be disqualified from holding any office of honor, trust, or profit under the United States.

(b) In this section, the term “covered government person” means—

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(3) the President, Vice President, an employee of the United States Postal Service or the Postal Regulatory Commission, or any other executive branch employee (as such term is defined under section 2105 of title 5, United States Code).

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 24, 2017 • 8:48:49pm

re: #341 Anymouse 🌹

Like Trump gives a shit about lawyers.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2017 • 8:48:59pm

re: #341 Anymouse 🌹

Of note, a lawyer might want to look into Mr. Trump’s tirade against NFL players:

Just another thing to impeach the bastard.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 24, 2017 • 8:52:03pm

re: #343 HappyWarrior

Just another thing to impeach the bastard.

Of course that would first require conservative politicians to care about “law and order.”

As everything, it is projection with them. Very effective though (First and Second Red Scares, &c).

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Stanley Sea  Sep 24, 2017 • 8:55:26pm

re: #338 HappyWarrior

To be honest I just hate the combo of patriotism with sport. And I’m sure you read that football players coming out for the anthem is a new thing.

I had the NFL on all day on my Spectrum bullshit. On mute, I never watch.

Only college. But when the yam comes against something…………..

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 24, 2017 • 8:56:50pm

Trump is attacking, on all fronts, everything that has made America great. But our focus this week needs to be on stopping Graham-Cassidy. If it fails this week, we do have some breathing room. If it passes the Senate, the evil is unstoppable.

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teleskiguy  Sep 24, 2017 • 8:57:31pm

re: #340 JordanRules

There it is! Thanks!

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 24, 2017 • 8:59:53pm

“After America’s entrance into World War I, Major League Baseball games often featured patriotic rituals, such as players marching in formation during pregame military drills and bands playing patriotic songs. During the seventh-inning stretch of game one of the 1918 World Series, the band erupted into ‘The Star-Spangled Banner.’ The Cubs and Red Sox players faced the centerfield flag pole and stood at attention. The crowd, already on their feet, began to sing along and applauded at the end of the song. Given the positive reaction, the band played the song during the next two games, and when the Series moved to Boston, the Red Sox owner brought in a band and had the song played before the start of each remaining contest. After the war (and after the song was made the national anthem by a congressional resolution in 1931), the song continued to be played, but only on special occasions like opening day, national holidays and World Series games. During World War II, baseball games again became venues for large-scale displays of patriotism, and technological advances in public address systems allowed songs to be played without a band. ‘The Star-Spangled Banner’ was played before games throughout the course of the war, and by the time the war was over, the pregame singing of the national anthem had become cemented as a baseball ritual, after which it spread to other sports.”
mentalfloss.com

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freetoken  Sep 24, 2017 • 9:02:26pm

re: #348 Anymouse 🌹

One might almost conclude that sports-ball is a proxy for military engagement.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 24, 2017 • 9:03:19pm

I just got a call-back from someone willing to do the state water test now. I’m headed out … I’ll be back in a bit.

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teleskiguy  Sep 24, 2017 • 9:08:08pm

re: #349 freetoken

One might almost conclude that sports-ball is a proxy for military engagement.

George Carlin: Football vs Baseball

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TedStriker  Sep 24, 2017 • 9:28:24pm

re: #327 scottslemmons

Takei, Plummer, and David Warner made the movie for me. There was a lot of great stuff in it, and up ‘til pretty recently, I thought of it as fairly flawless. The Tor sci-fi publisher’s website had a rewatch/review of the movie (it’s a very long article, btw) that pointed out some of the more dunderheaded decisions made by the writers, though I think they note that the acting is pretty damn great across the board.

One wee little fuckup about that “re-review”:

Hailing frequencies open. Uhura inexplicably has absolutely no knowledge of the Klingon language whatsoever, nor is the Enterprise computer programmed with any information about it, since she and a half-dozen others are poring over a ton of codex books about the language.

That was not the case, becuse, as Chekov said right in the beginning of that scene, the reason that Uhura didn’t respond normally (read: speak English) to the Klingon outpost was because the Enterprise’s universal translator’s response would be recognized as such and they’d be busted. Also, Uhura might have had some knowledge of the Klingon language at some point, but, as anyone who has taken any foreign languages in school, then never used them much, if any, after that, tends to forget them; with a UT normally at her disposal, Uhura wouldn’t have much day-to-day need to speak Klingon.

There’s nothing to say that Uhura and the Enterprise bridge crew wouldn’t be able to read a transcript of the Klingons talking to them (in fact, it’s Scotty that’s reading back the Klingon translation, with some delay, though it looks like he’s referencing a book, so the UT may have had to been completely disabled for the ruse to work), but they had to respond without the UT; having them pore through mountains of dusty tomes to formulate their responses just sets the scene up for a bit of comic relief.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2017 • 9:32:17pm

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 24, 2017 • 9:36:38pm

I’m back. If I can catch the last person before 8 AM (I am told he’ll be there around that time), I can get his water sample, the two wells, get this stuff in the mail, and stay out of jail.

I hope the state water lab doesn’t mind I bled all over the boxes and paperwork. I did tell them that would be a problem.

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JordanRules  Sep 24, 2017 • 9:37:32pm
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Lots of good quotes pulled out, shining the light where it should be for an affirmative moment.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 24, 2017 • 9:40:30pm

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Lots of good quotes pulled out, shining the light where it should be for an affirmative moment.

It’s far easier to just call them whiners than actually listen and what they’re trying to bring attention to is a big problem.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 24, 2017 • 9:47:39pm

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Interesting Times  Sep 24, 2017 • 9:49:36pm

In which the fine tradition of getting schooled extends well beyond graduation date:

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BeachDem  Sep 24, 2017 • 10:06:00pm

re: #360 Interesting Times

In which the fine tradition of getting schooled extends well beyond graduation date:

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Full story here

And a great response in that thread from another teacher:

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 24, 2017 • 10:06:40pm
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You’re wrong, Senator.

Your pitiful attempt to conflate what athletes are doing (exercising their Constitutional rights to protest injustice and lately protest a government official trying to suppress free speech) will not succeed.

And quit using we veterans and those who died in my family to score a cheap political point. I didn’t vote against you so you could sit in Washington whigning about people exercising their rights. I did not become disabled in the service of the nation for a flag.

You’re a history major. Apparently you should have gone in the military instead; you might have learned what that flag actually is supposed to represent (all the people, not military and vets).

You treat it like a religious idol—something your Bible commands you should never do.

Real patriotism is the desire to better the nation and its people, particularly when an injustice can be identified and highlighted; especially when one is willing to stand up and highlight that injustice in the face of hatred.

Real patriotism is the willingness to stand up and be heard (or in this case take a knee), even when standing up (or taking a knee) will inconvenience you, hurt your standing, job, or perhaps your life.

Anyone can be a patriot sitting in an armchair and whigning about the state of the nation. Real patriots get up and do something about it.

Do your job, Senator. Reign in your party’s leader. /rant

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retired cynic  Sep 24, 2017 • 10:08:02pm

pedant: rein in

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Dave In Austin  Sep 24, 2017 • 10:08:09pm
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Kragar  Sep 24, 2017 • 10:32:17pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 24, 2017 • 10:37:41pm

re: #363 retired cynic

pedant: rein in

Would have fixed it but time expired. Mr. Johnson, can I have a special indulgence here? /s

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 24, 2017 • 10:40:50pm

re: #366 Kragar

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Funny, women can shoot guns too. Women probably wouldn’t need some whigning dudebro complaining he can’t get a date to defend themselves (if it ever came to that).

For a bunch of men claiming they’re going their own way, they sure are loud about it.

“Mom! I’m running away! I just need to pack my clothes, and my toys, and where’s my toothbrush …”

“That’s fine dear, dinner will be ready at 6.”

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 24, 2017 • 10:42:05pm

“Mom, can you make me a sandwich … and a second sandwich … and can I have an apple … I’ll show you … and some cookies… .”

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EPR-radar  Sep 24, 2017 • 10:49:58pm

re: #366 Kragar

The Men Going Their Own Way idiots should live up to their stupid slogan and spend the rest of their lives in absolute solitude.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 24, 2017 • 11:03:44pm

re: #370 EPR-radar

The Men Going Their Own Way idiots should live up to their stupid slogan and spend the rest of their lives in absolute solitude.

But then they wouldn’t have to put up with well-adjusted (or even not-so-well adjusted) people making fun of… . wait, that sounds like a marvellous idea.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 24, 2017 • 11:08:52pm

Bill Mitchell doesn’t get it, and has to be taken to task by a Jedi …

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JordanRules  Sep 24, 2017 • 11:12:38pm
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freetoken  Sep 24, 2017 • 11:23:20pm

So CBS put on broadcast the double episode premiere of Star Trek: Discovery… and the world did not end.

All the butthurt over “SJW” was always nonsense, but now after the first two hours it seems even more silly.

The show as presented is just more of the same basic ST story type - the inherent dichotomy between exploring and warfare, yet the two activities are united in story.

If anything, the first two episodes are too hardcore. Previous series openers look like milquetoast in comparison (save perhaps TOS original pilot.) Very dramatic, much more so than the typical ST episodes, perhaps more like when the Xindi came to Earth in ST:Enterprise.

Oh well, the whining will continue no doubt.

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freetoken  Sep 24, 2017 • 11:30:57pm

Lots of butthurt over at the IMDB reviews.

IMDB kept people from submitting reviews earlier (I was checking.)

But looking at what was posted tonight, it is pretty clear that some guys were just waiting to whine:

Liberal political correctness again missing the mark and inetentionally dividing us….
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*** This review may contain spoilers ***

Agreed this is yet ANOTHER liberal brainwashing tool… how stupid are you not to see this? AND the show is terrible. It’s sad how stupid they think we are…and we will bend down and tell them how “forward thinking” this show is. It is a lame, sad, pathetic attempt to yet again pull us apart as a nation for their political agenda. I’m not playing into it. And neither should you. Don’t watch this show.

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sagehen  Sep 24, 2017 • 11:56:22pm

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I have to admit, pre-apocalypse I can’t imagine wanting to date Daryl Dixon. Post-apocalypse, he’s my dream guy.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Sep 24, 2017 • 11:58:29pm

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Kragar  Sep 25, 2017 • 12:09:38am
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TedStriker  Sep 25, 2017 • 12:18:44am

re: #353 TedStriker

One wee little fuckup about that “re-review”:

That was not the case, becuse, as Chekov said right in the beginning of that scene, the reason that Uhura didn’t respond normally (read: speak English) to the Klingon outpost was because the Enterprise’s universal translator’s response would be recognized as such and they’d be busted. Also, Uhura might have had some knowledge of the Klingon language at some point, but, as anyone who has taken any foreign languages in school, then never used them much, if any, after that, tends to forget them; with a UT normally at her disposal, Uhura wouldn’t have much day-to-day need to speak Klingon.

There’s nothing to say that Uhura and the Enterprise bridge crew wouldn’t be able to read a transcript of the Klingons talking to them (in fact, it’s Scotty that’s reading back the Klingon translation, with some delay, though it looks like he’s referencing a book, so the UT may have had to been completely disabled for the ruse to work), but they had to respond without the UT; having them pore through mountains of dusty tomes to formulate their responses just sets the scene up for a bit of comic relief.

Actually, going back and looking at that scene just now, the UT is translating the Klingons (you can see the translation between “Federation Standard” [presumably, English] and Klingon on the screen in front of Uhura), but Scotty and Uhura were still having to reference their books for the response.

As for how I rank the ST:TOS movies, it’s:

6) The Final Frontier: While it has its (relatively few) moments (“What does God need with a starship?” and the scenes at Yosemite), it’s definitely earned its reputation as the worst ST movie, even worse than the TNG crew’s swan song Nemesis. People love to lay the blame at Shatner’s direction, but the awful writing, really shitty SFX, and relatively low budget for a ST feature film (with TNG only 2-3 years in production at that point and Paramount wanting to continue the ST franchise there, concentrating studio resources there to the detriment of FF) had lots to do with it.

5) The Motion Picture: For a freshman effort to translate TOS (and ST, in general) to the big screen, Paramount could have done much worse than having veteran director Robert Wise handle this one, but other factors out of Wise’s control made the original theatrical cut plodding and half-baked in a lot of places. The script was originally meant for an episode for a TV series revival of the franchise (ST: Phase II) on a prospective Paramount TV network (which didn’t end up successfully launching until the mid-90s as UPN, with ST:Voyager as its flagship show) and, when that fell through, had to be reworked as a movie script.
The original firm hired to create the SFX (Abel & Associates) was so out of their depth (and sucked up a lot of the movie’s budget and post-production time, with little to show for it), Douglas Trumbull and John Dykstra were called in to salvage things in a very short period of time; all of the post-production issues meant that Wise didn’t have nearly enough time to get the film edited the way he wanted. It was such a time crunch, Wise never got to screen it before test audiences to gauge and adjust his edits and pacing and what came to be the final theatrical edit was literally completed right before it was to be screened at its world premiere in DC.
Still, people wanted to compare it to Star Wars (and, all these years on, the ST movies that followed it, as well), but it really needs to be seen as a continuation of TOS, melded with 2001: A Space Odyssey, and I think Wise and crew did very well considering all of the problems they had; in 2000, Wise and his production company did a director’s cut, tightening up the pacing and sound and cleaning up (and adding some) special effects and adding back some originally-deleted scenes and, as such, I believe the director’s cut is the definitive version, one that addressed a lot of the deficiencies with the theatrical edit.

4) The Undiscovered Country: There’s not really much more I can say that’s not in my #304, #314, and #353 upthread, other than, as the Original Series cast’s swan song that fused end-of-the-Cold-War allegory with a whodunit murder mystery, it’s a solid second place in my list and one of my favorite movies overall.

1) The Wrath of Khan, The Search for Spock, and The Voyage Home: This epic trilogy is something that I don’t think that I’ve seen done with any other movie franchise that’s attempted it as well, save for Back to the Future and perhaps Peter Jackson’s LotR/Hobbit franchise, where the events of the sequels (SfS and TVH) pick up immediately (or very shortly thereafter) from where the previous movie left off and events in those prior movies is continuously referenced in the follow-up films of that trilogy.
For the most part, the first two movies flow into each other almost effortlessly (with absolutely great scenery-chewing villains played by Ricardo Montalban and Christopher Lloyd in WoK and SfS, respectively), but TVH (with Nimoy directing) takes a lighter, if somewhat preachy, tone towards the audience, using the continuing story from the other two installments to launch an cautionary ecological tale involving humpback whales, an alien probe trying to contact said whales (now extinct by the 23rd century) and wreaking immense damage upon Earth, and the Enterprise crew’s time-travelling efforts in their captured Klingon bird-of-prey from SfS to answer that probe and reverse its damage, all the while Spock is still recovering from his resurrection and his “katra” being put back in his head (from McCoy’s) from the previous film.
Together, back-to-back-to-back, they’re one of the best reasons to be a Star Trek fan.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 25, 2017 • 12:45:02am

Tropical Storm Watch up for most of North Carolina’s coastline as Hurricane Maria makes its way north.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 25, 2017 • 1:02:05am

re: #338 HappyWarrior

To be honest I just hate the combo of patriotism with sport. And I’m sure you read that football players coming out for the anthem is a new thing.

For Trump’s base, Football represents all those Great American Values like sportsmanship and the striving for excellence and success.

And Trump is successfully spinning the narrative to keep himself at the focus while making it seem that anyone who has a problem with Trump also automatically disrespects the Flag. That will play very well with his base and the red-meat outrage media.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 25, 2017 • 1:05:33am

Mount Agung on Bali erupted.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 25, 2017 • 1:08:00am

re: #384 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Trump is, however, successfully spinning the narrative to make it seem that anyone who has a problem with Trump also automatically disrespects the Flag. That will play very well with his base and the red-meat outrage media.

Considering the mass of veterans pushing back on this on Twitter at least, I don’t think he’s getting the outrage he’s looking for other than those who are perpetually outraged.

My senator’s concern trolling on the subject (Ben Sasse saying “don’t protest that way, it will give Trump what he wants”) was torn apart on this personal Twitter feed.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 25, 2017 • 1:09:23am

re: #386 Anymouse 🌹

Considering the mass of veterans pushing back on this on Twitter at least, I don’t think he’s getting the outrage he’s looking for other than those who are perpetually outraged.

My senator’s concern trolling on the subject (Ben Sasse saying “don’t protest that way, it will give Trump what he wants”) was torn apart on this personal Twitter feed.

…and again, this superficial outrage keeps people from phoning senators about health care reform…brilliant Hail Mary play.

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freetoken  Sep 25, 2017 • 1:11:46am

re: #384 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Trump is, however, successfully spinning the narrative to make it seem that anyone who has a problem with Trump also automatically disrespects the Flag. That will play very well with his base and the red-meat outrage media.

It already has. For a couple of days now, the Trumpers on my Facebook stream have been posting the expectedly-absurd memes.

They’ve wrapped themselves up so tightly in the flag that they can’t see the truth.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 25, 2017 • 1:14:58am

re: #387 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

…and again, this superficial outrage keeps people from phoning senators about health care reform…brilliant Hail Mary play.

I’ve already called my two senators (Sasse, Fischer).

And I suspect a lot more people are calling about this than doomsayers would have you believe.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 25, 2017 • 1:22:41am

re: #289 Kragar

If only Roger Goodell cared as much about domestic abuse and traumatic brain injury as he does about disrespecting America.

The traumatic brain injuries which Trump denounced as fake news?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 25, 2017 • 1:27:37am

re: #389 Anymouse 🌹

I’ve already called my two senators (Sasse, Fischer).

And I suspect a lot more people are calling about this than doomsayers would have you believe.

That is good news, but Trump is not going to stop at anything to distract.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 25, 2017 • 2:10:09am

re: #391 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That is good news, but Trump is not going to stop at anything to distract.

I agree … Trump really has no other card to play than distraction, unless he wants to go for a full dictatorship, in which place we’re playing a different game at that point.

Those who care about the issue of healthcare will not be distracted by this nonsense. Moreover, Robert Mueller will not be either.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 25, 2017 • 2:30:15am

re: #392 Anymouse 🌹

I agree … Trump really has no other card to play than distraction, unless he wants to go for a full dictatorship, in which place we’re playing a different game at that point.

Those who care about the issue of healthcare will not be distracted by this nonsense. Moreover, Robert Mueller will not be either.

Mueller is not doing anything spectacular; he cannot. He has to be methodical and make sure everything he does is irreproachable…that does not make for big headlines in modern reporting.

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LastYearsMan  Sep 25, 2017 • 3:21:57am

re: #373 Anymouse 🌹

Bill Mitchell doesn’t get it, and has to be taken to task by a Jedi …

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And “before the whole world”? Hah. No one outside the United States (and kind of Canada) gives two craps about that fake (and nearly foot-free) football you play. ^^

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 25, 2017 • 3:24:24am

re: #394 LastYearsMan

And “before the whole world”? Hah. No one outside North America gives two craps about that fake (and nearly foot-free) football you play.

But that is the point: Football is America’s National Sport, given to us by God. It is the repository of all Great American Virtues, like sportsmanship, showmanship, half-naked women prancing at halftime, and risking permanent physical injury for a slight chance of massive multi-million-dollar success.

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LastYearsMan  Sep 25, 2017 • 3:27:24am

re: #395 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Who was it that said football is the ultimate American sport because it’s all about “I’m going to take your land”?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 25, 2017 • 3:29:11am

re: #396 LastYearsMan

Who was it that said football is the ultimate American sport because it’s all about “I’m going to take your land”?

George Carlin summed it up best: Baseball vs Football

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Amory Blaine  Sep 25, 2017 • 3:39:08am

re: #368 Anymouse 🌹

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Shropshire Slasher  Sep 25, 2017 • 4:20:50am

Gin and Juice, breakfast of champions

The Gourds-Gin And Juice

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William Lewis  Sep 25, 2017 • 4:31:30am

re: #349 freetoken

One might almost conclude that sports-ball is a proxy for military engagement.

Well, I have read that football started at the northern colleges in the 1870s & 80s as a surrogate for those boys who weren’t old enough fight in the Civil War. It was a much more violent game (18 deaths in the 1904 season) as well until Teddy Roosevelt forced reforms such as the forward pass on the game.

So yeah, that’s exactly what it was.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 25, 2017 • 4:36:49am
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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 25, 2017 • 4:38:49am

JFC

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 5:06:40am

re: #401 William Lewis

Well, I have read that football started at the northern colleges in the 1870s & 80s as a surrogate for those boys who weren’t old enough fight in the Civil War. It was a much more violent game (18 deaths in the 1904 season) as well until Teddy Roosevelt forced reforms such as the forward pass on the game.

So yeah, that’s exactly what it was.

Didn’t know that.

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jeffreyw  Sep 25, 2017 • 5:18:24am

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Good morning!

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 5:33:03am

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 5:36:03am

If you really want to piss off Trump. Kneel and say you’re doing it because of his indifference to PR.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Sep 25, 2017 • 5:40:57am

From 538

$20,000 to $50,000
Lawyers are pricey, especially D.C. lawyers. As special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into Russian electoral interference expands, more and more people who were associated with the Trump campaign are feeling the financial pinch. Just lawyering up to help prepare for congressional testimony could set someone back $20,000 to $50,000 in fees, and a grand jury subpoena for a witness could lead to legal fees in excess of $100,000. [Bloomberg]

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Dr. Matt  Sep 25, 2017 • 5:48:18am

Starting to see people in my FB feed post a bogus and debunked WAPO piece that says the NFL rulebook states players must stand during the anthem

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Shropshire Slasher  Sep 25, 2017 • 5:49:38am

re: #410 I Would Prefer Not To

Truth doesn’t cost anything, it’s the lies that you need to pay a lawyer for.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 5:51:47am

re: #411 Dr. Matt

Starting to see people in my FB feed post a bogus and debunked WAPO piece that says the NFL rulebook states players must stand during the anthem

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Yeah but wingnut feelings > NFL rules. What really bugs me is very few people stand at home. In fact, the stadiums are often filled with people getting concessions while the anthem plays.

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(Bert the Turtle)  Sep 25, 2017 • 5:54:23am

re: #413 HappyWarrior

Yeah but wingnut feelings > NFL rules. What really bugs me is very few people stand at home. In fact, the stadiums are often filled with people getting concessions while the anthem plays.

It’s all bullshit. It’s the right-wing outrage du jour.

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Unshaken Defiance  Sep 25, 2017 • 5:54:29am

re: #411 Dr. Matt

Gotta find a source, but their contracts all say they may protest. Union provision etc.

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Shropshire Slasher  Sep 25, 2017 • 5:56:17am

re: #413 HappyWarrior

Yeah but wingnut feelings > NFL rules. What really bugs me is very few people stand at home. In fact, the stadiums are often filled with people getting concessions while the anthem plays.

I tear up a little, does that count?

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Dr. Matt  Sep 25, 2017 • 5:57:24am

re: #413 HappyWarrior

Yeah but wingnut feelings > NFL rules. What really bugs me is very few people stand at home. In fact, the stadiums are often filled with people getting concessions while the anthem plays.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 5:59:02am

re: #416 Shropshire Slasher

I tear up a little, does that count?

I won’t lie. It’s a moving spectacle when I’m at a game but most people at home I’ve never seen stand. The outrage just feels so fake especially coming from Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 6:00:11am

re: #414 (Bert the Turtle)

It’s all bullshit. It’s the right-wing outrage du jour.

Yep they’ll find a new one when this one goes away. Winter is coming and you know that means we’re going to fight the war on Christmas again.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 6:01:54am

re: #415 Unshaken Defiance

Gotta find a source, but their contracts all say they may protest. Union provision etc.

Which is why the old “Their employers can fire them” doesn’t work here. As for people attacking them for playing politics, aren’t y’all the same people who want it to be legal to deny someone a service if it offends your religious beliefs.

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danarchy  Sep 25, 2017 • 6:02:10am

re: #415 Unshaken Defiance

Gotta find a source, but their contracts all say they may protest. Union provision etc.

I am not sure I would buy that without seeing the evidence. The NFL are sticklers for enforcing uniform rules and such. They have fined people for wearing memorial decals on their helmets for dead friends and team mates. Somehow I doubt they would give players carte blanche to protest.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Sep 25, 2017 • 6:03:06am

re: #419 HappyWarrior

Yep they’ll find a new one when this one goes away. Winter is coming and you know that means we’re going to fight the war on Christmas again.

It just won’t be the same without O’reily.

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Shropshire Slasher  Sep 25, 2017 • 6:03:21am

re: #418 HappyWarrior

Between me, you, and the hole in the wall, standing for for National Anthem at home seems kinda Big brotherish. Just my opinion.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 6:04:10am

re: #424 Shropshire Slasher

Between me, you, and the hole in the wall, standing for for National Anthem at home seems kinda Big brotherish. Just my opinion.

Yeah it’s silly.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 25, 2017 • 6:05:23am

Why you gotta disrespect GOD?!?!

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 6:05:38am

re: #423 The Vicious Babushka

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Unshaken Defiance  Sep 25, 2017 • 6:06:27am

re: #420 HappyWarrior

Heh, that’s true, and when you listen to the objections, they all embrace the critics definition of BLM, and or the protest. The protest as we all know here is aimed at police violence, not the USA, not the flag.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 6:06:43am

TBH I don’t like combining patriotism with commercialism. I find it tacky.

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Shropshire Slasher  Sep 25, 2017 • 6:07:04am

Last day for Weiner jokes.

Weiner, 53, is set to be sentenced Monday for sending obscene material to a 15-year-old girl in a case that may have also have played a role in costing Hillary Clinton — former boss of Weiner’s wife, Huma Abedin — the presidential election.

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danarchy  Sep 25, 2017 • 6:07:30am

re: #422 I Would Prefer Not To

It just won’t be the same without O’reily.

I am sure he will be making the rounds on all the shows to pimp his new book Killing Christmas…

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 6:08:16am

re: #428 Unshaken Defiance

Heh, that’s true, and when you listen to the objections, they all embrace the critics definition of BLM, and or the protest. The protest as we all know here is aimed at police violence, not the USA, not the flag.

They don’t want to hear about police brutality. They just want to be entertained. Tough shit, this is these athletes country too and I’m glad they’re speaking out.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 6:09:06am

re: #431 danarchy

I am sure he will be making the rounds on all the shows to pimp his new book Killing Christmas…

With interviews from Santa but not endorsed by Santa’s Workshop LLC.

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Shropshire Slasher  Sep 25, 2017 • 6:09:49am

re: #426 GlutenFreeJesus

“Satan’s” fashion show

dailymail.co.uk

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(Bert the Turtle)  Sep 25, 2017 • 6:11:13am

re: #433 HappyWarrior

With interviews from Santa but not endorsed by Santa’s Workshop LLC.

Word in the chimney is they’ve unionized. Damn elves… I always knew they were just a bunch of lazy thugs.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 6:12:50am

re: #435 (Bert the Turtle)

Word in the chimney is they’ve unionized. Damn elves… I always knew they were just a bunch of lazy thugs.

I hear the reindeer are illegal immigrants from Lapland.

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lawhawk  Sep 25, 2017 • 6:17:27am

Greets and saluts from the Resistance in the NYC metro area. Trump spent the weekend bitching about football and the fact that some players were protesting police brutality by kneeling during the national anthem.

He attacked Kopernick and Curry. 100+ players knelt during the NFL national anthems. Some teams locked arms in solidarity. Even a few owners and NFL Commish Godell came out in support of the players’ right to kneel.

When you’ve ceded the high ground to the NFL, you know you’re truly fucked. That’s why Trump’s finding refuge in NASCAR - a sport founded on the principle of smuggling moonshine to avoid taxation.

Never mind that the anthem is separate from the sport itself.

Never mind that the same guy who rose to fame for being a loudmouth con artist is complaining when others exercise their rights.

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Trump is again deflecting from his criminal cabal of cronies in the WH by attacking athletes who are standing up for those whose voices aren’t being heard. He’s attacking them as being unpatriotic, when patriotism means standing up for civil rights and justice under the law.

He attacks people who wont salute the flag as though that is unpatriotic, when Trump himself dodged the draft and military service. He has ignored his oath to uphold and defend the Constitution. His party has refused to protect and defend the nation from threats foreign and domestic by trying to derail the investigations into Trump’s Russia connections.

And yet every day there’s a new revelation of how closely tied Trump is to Russia and how his people, including Kushner, were doing all the things he claimed Clinton should go to prison for (email misuse, failure to follow the law, etc.). Kushner in particular should have his clearance revoked for lying on his SF86, and yet he’s still there. We know now that he was using private email to conduct official government business. That too is a firing offense.

Trump wont do that, just as he wont force Price or Mnuchin to resign over their misuse of charter flights and taxpayer funds.

It’s always okay to do it when you’re a GOPer.

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plansbandc  Sep 25, 2017 • 6:17:37am

re: #48 Kragar

A few years ago, he was being interviewed by ESPN. An African American interviewer. He was talking about how when he grew up, there were white people on one end of town, and the “coloreds” on the other. So, go ahead an put him on the racist side.

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Unshaken Defiance  Sep 25, 2017 • 6:18:29am

re: #421 danarchy

The NBA based its suspension of Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf on a rule that requires players to stand during the playing of the national anthem. The NFL has no such rule, and the Collective Bargaining Agreement is silent on the subject.

And so Kaepernick and any other player has the right to not stand during the national anthem. Whether other players will follow Kaepernick’s lead remains to be seen.

profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

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Unshaken Defiance  Sep 25, 2017 • 6:23:31am

re: #421 danarchy

Finding hints, and fake quotes from the rule book. this was an easier Google when Kapernick first protested than now. Lot more BS piled on top since.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 25, 2017 • 6:24:14am

re: #434 Shropshire Slasher

“Satan’s” fashion show

dailymail.co.uk

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 6:24:46am

re: #441 The Vicious Babushka

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I want my Ferrari cake.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 25, 2017 • 6:25:40am

re: #437 lawhawk

When you’ve ceded the high ground to the NFL, you know you’re truly fucked. That’s why Trump’s finding refuge in NASCAR - a sport founded on the principle of smuggling moonshine to avoid taxation.

and one that flies the Confederate battle flag with more pride and affection than it ever showed the Star Spangled Banner

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Unshaken Defiance  Sep 25, 2017 • 6:33:22am

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 6:36:24am

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They just want to attack black people for having the nerve to point out problems in our society. They did it to MLK and others too.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 25, 2017 • 6:36:31am

Trump bringing NASCAR into this is absolute proof it’s about race.

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Unshaken Defiance  Sep 25, 2017 • 6:37:00am

‘Respect the Institution’: NHL’s Penguins Buck Anti-Trump Sports Trend

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 6:42:09am

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 6:42:29am

re: #446 GlutenFreeJesus

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Trump bringing NASCAR into this is absolute proof it’s about race.

Yep.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 25, 2017 • 6:43:28am

re: #423 The Vicious Babushka

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Exactly. And the one that Trump respects as well.

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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Sep 25, 2017 • 6:46:59am

re: #411 Dr. Matt

Starting to see people in my FB feed post a bogus and debunked WAPO piece that says the NFL rulebook states players must stand during the anthem

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Well, just lost my high school girlfriend on the Book of Faces due to this one. Much of the newly-70 age cohort from my home town of East Liverpool, Ohio prefers comfortable lies to learning new things, especially those who stayed in the valley. Sigh.

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I cannot.  Sep 25, 2017 • 6:47:35am

I have, in the past 24 hours, retweeted Ron fucking Jeremy and Jesse Ventura. What the fuck.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 25, 2017 • 6:47:46am

re: #446 GlutenFreeJesus

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Trump bringing NASCAR into this is absolute proof it’s about race.

and respecting the US flag…

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plansbandc  Sep 25, 2017 • 6:48:39am

re: #295 Kragar

Holy shit.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 6:52:00am

re: #453 I cannot.

I have, in the past 24 hours, retweeted Ron fucking Jeremy and Jesse Ventura. What the fuck.

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People have done it on their own time and people like Melissa still complain about how they’re disruptive.” The team owners don’t care. No one forces you to watch the national anthem at a sporting event let alone the sporting event itself but somehow we’re the snowflakes.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 25, 2017 • 6:58:33am

Some dude on FB: me and my family always stand. Who wouldn’t?

Me: anyone that doesn’t want to.

Him: why would you not want to?

Me: read the third verse that’s never sung.

Crickets.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 25, 2017 • 6:59:54am

re: #457 GlutenFreeJesus

Some dude on FB: me and my family always stand. Who wouldn’t?

Me: anyone that doesn’t want to.

Him: why would you not want to?

“Land of the Free”

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freetoken  Sep 25, 2017 • 7:02:16am

re: #457 GlutenFreeJesus

This one?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 7:03:32am

re: #458 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“Land of the Free”

“Land of the free.”*

*Until you disagree. And these people accuse liberals of group think.

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Belafon  Sep 25, 2017 • 7:04:27am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 7:05:31am

re: #459 freetoken

This one?

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When you really see that, it’s easy for me to see the contradictionary feelings one could have. I never knew about those lyrics or Key being a slave owner. Our contradictions are our history too.

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freetoken  Sep 25, 2017 • 7:05:41am

The obsession with national anthems, national flags, and such, really is a military obsession.

And this is one thing which the wingnuts really fear - that the less militaristically minded might win the day.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 25, 2017 • 7:07:45am

re: #459 freetoken

This one?

That one exactly.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 7:09:49am

What freedoms are wingnuts exactly thankful to our military protecting because it sure as hell isn’t the Bill of Rights.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 25, 2017 • 7:10:30am

re: #458 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“Land of the Free”

They can’t even fathom that there were people back then who weren’t free. Well. Correction. They know full well, and just want to ignore it.

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 25, 2017 • 7:11:11am

re: #423 The Vicious Babushka

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A flag that was SPECIFICALLY created to go to war against the American flag. Wonder how many American flags the Confederacy burnt?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 7:11:24am

re: #466 GlutenFreeJesus

They can’t even fathom that there were people back then who weren’t free. Well. Correction. They know full well, and just want to ignore it.

Moreover they want to bring it back.

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freetoken  Sep 25, 2017 • 7:11:52am

re: #462 HappyWarrior

The whole gestalt of the US in the first couple of decades of the 19th century was expansion at all costs: about relentlessly taking land and settling the land, no matter what.

The British didn’t exactly go into the war of 1812 with all their interest and might. It was opportunistic for them, but not one they had to win.

But for the Americans who had all those land promises from having served in the Revolution, the expansion west was a way of getting paid for their service.

We really have to look at the three wars together - what we call the French and Indian war, the Revolutionary war, and the War of 1812. They were all about the relentless drive of taking land, declaring ownership of the continent, and forcing out the natives.

And yet we still have the Mitt Romney types who want to pretend that the US doesn’t really want war. Most of our history is about being at war here or there.

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Belafon  Sep 25, 2017 • 7:12:48am

re: #465 HappyWarrior

What freedoms are wingnuts exactly thankful to our military protecting because it sure as hell isn’t the Bill of Rights.

The rights of white people to not have to feel uncomfortable. It’s in the constitution somewhere, I know it is.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 7:15:17am

re: #470 Belafon

The rights of white people to not have to feel uncomfortable. It’s in the constitution somewhere, I know it is.

A ha!

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 7:16:15am

re: #469 freetoken

The whole gestalt of the US in the first couple of decades of the 19th century was expansion at all costs: about relentlessly taking land and settling the land, no matter what.

The British didn’t exactly go into the war of 1812 with all their interest and might. It was opportunistic for them, but not one they had to win.

But for the Americans who had all those land promises from having served in the Revolution, the expansion west was a way of getting paid for their service.

We really have to look at the three wars together - what we call the French and Indian war, the Revolutionary war, and the War of 1812. They were all about the relentless drive of taking land, declaring ownership of the continent, and forcing out the natives.

And yet we still have the Mitt Romney types who want to pretend that the US doesn’t really want war. Most of our history is about being at war here or there.

Exactly. And yeah Romney’s stupid statement was wrong. I remember the bloodlust very well after 9/11.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 7:17:20am

In a sense, 9/11 did change things. And for the much much worse and I’m not just talking about how civil liberties are handled but also how we view our country. Patriotism can be and is a valuable thing to foster but what I think we’ve seen since 9/11 isn’t patriotism.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 7:17:45am

When we question the patriotism of someone simply because they don’t conform to our idea of symbolism, we’re in a rut.

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I cannot.  Sep 25, 2017 • 7:18:15am

re: #461 Belafon

Yeah, when someone quotes a tweet, things seem to get a bit nuts, especially if they’re quoting someone who quoted someone who…

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dangerman  Sep 25, 2017 • 7:31:52am

John McCain on 60 minutes:

A succinct summary of naked self interest vs public service …trump vs himself

He is in the business of making money and he has been successful both in television as well as Miss America and others,” McCain said. “I was raised in the concept and belief that duty, honor, country is the lodestar for behavior that we have to exhibit every single day

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Trump never was, is not, and didn’t become president to be a public servant

“Servant”. Hahahahajajajaja

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Shropshire Slasher  Sep 25, 2017 • 7:33:38am

dailymail.co.uk

Three minutes of skipping, running, peddling or star jumps can do the trick

Must be what that the used car salesman was doing last time I was car shopping.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 7:33:43am

It’s that patriotism needs to be woven into every day life. If you don’t stand for the pledge at school, you become a pariah. You don’t wear a flag on your lapel and you’re an elected official, you get your patriotism questioned. You must end speeches with “God bless America.” I love our country but honestly mandated patriotism is what tyrannies do. It’s not liberty at all to tell someone they need to leave this country if they don’t conform to what your idea of patriotism is.

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dangerman  Sep 25, 2017 • 7:37:06am

re: #477 Shropshire Slasher

dailymail.co.uk

Must be what that the used car salesman was doing last time I was car shopping.

I ran 10 miles yesterday
My goal next week is to do it in 180 seconds

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 25, 2017 • 7:39:18am

and there it is:

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 7:40:57am

re: #480 Backwoods_Sleuth

and there it is:

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You don’t get to decide who respects what, Siberian Candidate. By the way, if you loved this country so much, you never would have taken jobs overseas to make your tacky brand. If you loved this country so much, you never would have praised Putin and many other dictators over Obama. Fuck off and hopefully rot in ADA Florence.

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Amory Blaine  Sep 25, 2017 • 7:41:02am

Chinese robot dentist is first to fit implants in patient’s mouth without any human involvement

A robot dentist has carried out the first successful autonomous implant surgery by fitting two new teeth into a woman’s mouth, mainland media has reported.

Although there were human medical staff present during the operation, they did not play an active role while it was being carried out.

The one-hour procedure took place in Xian, Shaanxi, on Saturday, according to Science and Technology Daily.

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dangerman  Sep 25, 2017 • 7:41:32am

re: #478 HappyWarrior

It’s that patriotism needs to be woven into every day life. If you don’t stand for the pledge at school, you become a pariah. You don’t wear a flag on your lapel and you’re an elected official, you get your patriotism questioned. You must end speeches with “God bless America.” I love our country but honestly mandated patriotism is what tyrannies do. It’s not liberty at all to tell someone they need to leave this country if they don’t conform to what your idea of patriotism is.

it’s a sort of fear that comes out of a definition of us vs them

without that definition and separation, who would “we” be? why would we be special?
what would be the “purpose” of being “us”

that lack of specificity, lack of place, scares people

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b.d. (bill d.)  Sep 25, 2017 • 7:42:48am

Forced patriotism is the best kind of patriotism!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 25, 2017 • 7:46:17am

the spammer is back in the pages.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 7:47:53am

re: #485 Backwoods_Sleuth

the spammer is back in the pages.

Le Troll de Concern?

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dangerman  Sep 25, 2017 • 7:49:16am

re: #480 Backwoods_Sleuth

and there it is:

[Embedded content]The issue of kneeling has nothing to do with race. It is about respect for our Country, Flag and National Anthem. NFL must respect this!

why, donald? explain constitutionally, why.
if you can’t, then stfu

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 25, 2017 • 7:49:26am

re: #486 HappyWarrior

Le Troll de Concern?

Loading up the pages with scam stuff and using more than one account to do it

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 25, 2017 • 7:50:47am

a third bogus account has registered and is posting scam pages now.

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Shropshire Slasher  Sep 25, 2017 • 7:52:18am

Anthony Weiner gets hard time, 21 months.

nypost.com

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 25, 2017 • 7:53:42am

FUCK

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 25, 2017 • 7:54:45am

and ANOTHER new registration…scammers are very busy this morning.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 7:54:52am

re: #491 The Vicious Babushka

FUCK

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This isn’t going to end well.

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makeitstop  Sep 25, 2017 • 8:00:14am

These guys tried to sink their claws in everywhere…

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Belafon  Sep 25, 2017 • 8:01:29am

re: #491 The Vicious Babushka

FUCK

They know how to taunt Trump. But, to tell you the truth, I think they’re just proving that Trump is all bluster.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 8:01:56am

re: #494 makeitstop

These guys tried to sink their claws in everywhere…

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I’m really sick of these pathetic dickheads.

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Belafon  Sep 25, 2017 • 8:02:18am

re: #494 makeitstop

These guys tried to sink their claws in everywhere…

Fox proves that the most important thing to control is news.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 25, 2017 • 8:03:28am

FUCK FUCK

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 8:05:16am

re: #497 Belafon

Fox proves that the most important thing to control is news.

Oh yes. You control minds. You control hearts. And if you do both, you can control votes.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 25, 2017 • 8:08:57am

jeebus, the new registrations are exploding.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 25, 2017 • 8:12:04am

I think new users should not be allowed to post pages until they have introduced themselves in a main thread, made 10 posts and received 10 updings.

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Shropshire Slasher  Sep 25, 2017 • 8:12:09am

re: #500 Backwoods_Sleuth

Looking at all those new pages is making me feel filthy, like I might catch something from my laptop.
Where did I put that Lysol?

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plansbandc  Sep 25, 2017 • 8:12:35am

re: #493 HappyWarrior

He’s going to drop a nuke. God help the world when he does it.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 8:12:46am

re: #501 The Vicious Babushka

I think new users should not be allowed to post pages until they have introduced themselves in a main thread, made 10 posts and received 10 updings.

Be a good way to prevent bots.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 8:13:35am

re: #503 plansbandc

He’s going to drop a nuke. God help the world when he does it.

I think he just might. Goddamnit. Why America. Why the hell did we have to elect this guy? Man, it just frustrates me so much thinking about it.

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Shropshire Slasher  Sep 25, 2017 • 8:13:37am

re: #503 plansbandc

Glad I still have my eclipse glasses here.

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Belafon  Sep 25, 2017 • 8:13:43am

re: #501 The Vicious Babushka

I think new users should not be allowed to post pages until they have introduced themselves in a main thread, made 10 posts and received 10 updings.

Back when I joined Daily Kos a long time ago, you couldn’t even comment for 24 hours.

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Shropshire Slasher  Sep 25, 2017 • 8:14:20am

re: #503 plansbandc

Oops, I thought you meant Charles and the bots.

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I cannot.  Sep 25, 2017 • 8:14:35am

re: #501 The Vicious Babushka

And weighed in on the Great Pizza Topping Debate.

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plansbandc  Sep 25, 2017 • 8:14:45am

re: #508 Shropshire Slasher

I wish.

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Shropshire Slasher  Sep 25, 2017 • 8:16:12am

re: #510 plansbandc

If only MacArthur had his way…

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Birth Control Works  Sep 25, 2017 • 8:16:26am

Live with a Cat is an Adventure

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 25, 2017 • 8:18:13am

re: #511 Shropshire Slasher

If only MacArthur had his way…

There’d be no South Korea to worry about. KJU would have the whole peninsula.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 25, 2017 • 8:21:51am

re: #463 freetoken

The obsession with national anthems, national flags, and such, really is a military obsession.

And this is one thing which the wingnuts really fear - that the less militaristically minded might win the day.

and again: those who are really clueless as to what it really means to be patriotic or to be an American are the ones who fixate the most on the symbols and public displays that have come to be associated with them.

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Birth Control Works  Sep 25, 2017 • 8:22:01am

re: #503 plansbandc

He’s going to drop a nuke. God help the world when he does it.

I was thinking the other day (while watching Morgan Freeman) that WWIII is coming.

That and

“We have always been at war with _______.”

HUMANS!!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 25, 2017 • 8:22:31am

Charles better wake up soon.
The scammers are now posting scam comments on the scam pages.

I can’t keep up with them.

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Birth Control Works  Sep 25, 2017 • 8:23:27am
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freetoken  Sep 25, 2017 • 8:23:51am

Bots will be the end of us all.

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Shropshire Slasher  Sep 25, 2017 • 8:25:02am

Captain she’s breaking up!

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Amory Blaine  Sep 25, 2017 • 8:27:15am

To the ramparts!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 25, 2017 • 8:27:58am
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Shropshire Slasher  Sep 25, 2017 • 8:30:19am

I am sure the omnipotent Charles will flick those spammers like a booger.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 25, 2017 • 8:30:23am

Look at those photographers disrespecting America!

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Amory Blaine  Sep 25, 2017 • 8:31:54am

Rand Paul says no.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 8:31:56am

re: #522 Backwoods_Sleuth

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 8:32:42am

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Look at those photographers disrespecting America!

A friend of mine pointed out that there were people yelling at the guys kneeling in Denver. Yeah you respect teh national anthem so much that you yap during it.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 8:33:25am

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Better yet, next time we get a strong majority. Make them a state. Make the Republicans pay electorally for being uncaring dickheads.

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dangerman  Sep 25, 2017 • 8:34:52am

re: #509 I cannot.

And weighed in on the Great Pizza Topping Debate.

ding ding ding ding

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Birth Control Works  Sep 25, 2017 • 8:36:30am

re: #530 dangerman

ding ding ding ding

GARLIC!

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 8:38:44am

re: #532 Birth Control Works

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SK knows full out war with NK would be an unmitigated disaster for the entire peninsula. Trump who has never known war’s horrors doesn’t know nor does he care.

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dangerman  Sep 25, 2017 • 8:39:35am

re: #514 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and again: those who are really clueless as to what it really means to be patriotic or to be an American are the ones who fixate the most on the symbols and public displays that have come to be associated with them.

…and as to the history and timing, when and why the anthem started to be played at baseball games, and nfl games

i bet they think it was “always”

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Birth Control Works  Sep 25, 2017 • 8:39:59am

re: #533 HappyWarrior

SK knows full out war with NK would be an unmitigated disaster for the entire peninsula. Trump who has never known war’s horrors doesn’t know nor does he care.

Fox will find a way to say that they did it because of Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 8:40:24am

re: #536 Birth Control Works

Fox will find a way to say that they did it because of Trump.

Of course, gotta poison the rubes.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 8:40:45am

re: #535 dangerman

…and as to the history and timing, when and why the anthem started to be played at baseball games, and nfl games

i bet they think it was “always”

We have awlays been at war with Eastasia.

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dangerman  Sep 25, 2017 • 8:42:50am

re: #521 Amory Blaine

To the ramparts!

to the parapets men!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 25, 2017 • 8:44:09am

re: #527 bratwurst

Someome tell republicans that puerto ricans can move to the mainland and then vote

I am sure they are looking into ways to prevent that…

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dangerman  Sep 25, 2017 • 8:44:44am

re: #527 bratwurst

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we sure got some dumb ass rules

where you are standing at that moment makes a difference in your relationship to the country —- only for some people

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 25, 2017 • 8:45:47am

re: #532 Birth Control Works

South Korea Plans to Give North Korea $8 Million of Aid, Even Though They’re Technically At War

You have two cows. They have their heads in the North and the udders in the South. The North regularly threatens to hit the cows over the head with a hammer unless the South hands over a regular supply of milk…

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 8:46:11am

re: #541 The Vicious Babushka

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Fox is doing its job. Getting the rubes all fired up and ignoring real issues. It’s why the war on Christmas stuff happened at the heart of the Iraq War.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 8:52:41am

What I love though is “THESE FOOTBALL PLAYERS SHOuLD GO OUT IN THEIR COMMUNITIES.”
A) Many fucking do already.

B) Aren’t you the same people who tried to make it a bad thing that President Obama was a COMMMUNITY Organizer as a young man?

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freetoken  Sep 25, 2017 • 8:54:05am

This will keep the butthurt flowing:

‘Star Trek: Discovery’ crew takes a knee in solidarity with NFL protests

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 8:55:44am

re: #547 freetoken

This will keep the butthurt flowing:

‘Star Trek: Discovery’ crew takes a knee in solidarity with NFL protests

I suspect that was the exact point. Nerds and Jocks together now! Poor right wing douchebags. Oh well, I guess they can hang out with the Klan fans.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 8:56:42am

You know it’s just so typical of the American right. When they’re in charge. It’s rah rah USA. When they’re out of power. Our government is a tyranny. Hmmm funny that eh!

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 25, 2017 • 8:57:22am

re: #469 freetoken

And yet we still have the Mitt Romney types who want to pretend that the US doesn’t really want war. Most of our history is about being at war here or there.

That sounds eerily familiar:

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 25, 2017 • 9:00:35am
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Amory Blaine  Sep 25, 2017 • 9:00:46am

They can’t start up with the War on Christmas until after Halloween.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 9:01:13am

Is it wrong of me to want to know what it is exactly vets fought for if they’re going to have a problem with the kneeling? Not knocking their service by any means but please especially if you’re one of these “liberals offend way too easily types” that I know, please tell me what it is you fought for. Because I raelly thought our problem with regimes like North Korea and Vietnam was that they didn’t allow free expression Who the hell are you even if you are a vet to tell people that their protest shouldn’t be allowed and that they’re anti-American?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 9:02:30am

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 25, 2017 • 9:02:43am

This has been floating around, and wouldn’t you know. It’s complete bullshit.

Here’s the rule book, that makes no mention of the National Anthem whatsoever. And pages a62-63 don’t even exist. See for yourself.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 9:03:30am

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Dr. Matt  Sep 25, 2017 • 9:03:40am

#TakeaKnee #TakeTheKnee

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Dr. Matt  Sep 25, 2017 • 9:04:47am

re: #556 GlutenFreeJesus

This has been floating around, and wouldn’t you know. It’s complete bullshit.

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Here’s the rule book, that makes no mention of the National Anthem whatsoever. And pages a62-63 don’t even exist. See for yourself.

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See: re: #411 Dr. Matt

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 9:05:18am

re: #556 GlutenFreeJesus

This has been floating around, and wouldn’t you know. It’s complete bullshit.

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Here’s the rule book, that makes no mention of the National Anthem whatsoever. And pages a62-63 don’t even exist. See for yourself.

NFL Rule Book

Of course, it’s bullshit but wingnuts live in an alternate reality where waving the CSA flag is fine but kneeling for the national anthem should get you blacklisted.

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makeitstop  Sep 25, 2017 • 9:06:19am

RusBots are pushing the NFL controversy hard this morning…

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 9:06:23am

re: #558 Dr. Matt

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They’re against PC when it comes to bigoted language but go after something sacred to them like the Bible and flag, and they become the most politically correct people out there. Fucking hypocrites. Dont’ call me fucking snowflake ever fucking again.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 25, 2017 • 9:07:51am

Someone is spamming the shit out of LGF right now.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 25, 2017 • 9:08:36am

re: #563 Dr. Matt

Someone is spamming the shit out of LGF right now.

It’s been going on for quite a while now.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 9:08:51am

re: #561 makeitstop

RusBots are pushing the NFL controversy hard this morning…

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No Puerto Rico. Triste. :(.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 25, 2017 • 9:09:02am
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Dr. Matt  Sep 25, 2017 • 9:09:54am

re: #564 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s been going on for quite a while now.

Ah. Just noticed.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 25, 2017 • 9:11:06am

re: #567 Dr. Matt

Ah. Just noticed.

just waiting for Charles to log in and see that the Indian spammers are back with a vengeance.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 25, 2017 • 9:12:20am

re: #559 Dr. Matt

The hell. I’m not reading through 411 posts just to get to someone already posting what I thought was a huge deal! ;)

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 9:13:54am

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 9:18:03am

Tribes react to polar bears - Tribes, Predators and Me - BBC Two
My brother shared this with me the other day. Really cool stuff.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 25, 2017 • 9:19:05am

re: #571 HappyWarrior

What? He didn’t stand his ground. //

Prairie Home Invasion!!!

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Dr. Matt  Sep 25, 2017 • 9:20:41am

re: #569 GlutenFreeJesus

:)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 25, 2017 • 9:21:38am

On my FB feed now, otherwise well-meaning folks are basically saying that “they” can protest other times, but not during the National Anthem.

My response:

Respectfully - if the flag stands for the promise of freedom and justice, but if a significant portion of our fellow Americans look at the repeated instances of unarmed black people shot by police who then suffer no punishment and believe that they are denied that promise of justice, how and where do you propose they protest?

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Birth Control Works  Sep 25, 2017 • 9:23:10am

re: #552 Amory Blaine

They can’t start up with the War on Christmas until after Halloween.

Stores are stocked earlier and earlier each year.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 9:23:13am

re: #576 Blind Frog Belly White

On my FB feed now, otherwise well-meaning folks are basically saying that “they” can protest other times, but not during the National Anthem.

My response:

My response to that would be “When they do protest at other times, you get mad too. You support the right of people to own and even for us to have taxpayer memorials to people who literally flags and memorials to people who betrayed our nation. But you get mad at people mostly black kneeling during the anthem?”

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lawhawk  Sep 25, 2017 • 9:24:12am

re: #578 HappyWarrior

My response to that would be “When they do protest at other times, you get mad too. You support the right of people to own and even for us to have taxpayer memorials to people who literally flags and memorials to people who betrayed our nation. But you get mad at people mostly black kneeling during the anthem?”

It’s about tone…

Mostly skin tone, but also the fact that minorities are expressing their right to free speech and aren’t standing for Trump’s nonsensical ravings and deflections from fact he’s heading a failed administration.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 9:24:31am

I honestly don’t know what our troops are fighting for if you can’t kneel quietly during the national anthem. Hell as distasteful as it would be, they would be even within their right to yell BLM during it should they please. They say All lives matter but their rhetoric and actions prove otherwise.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 9:24:56am

re: #580 lawhawk

It’s about tone…

Mostly skin tone, but also the fact that minorities are expressing their right to free speech and aren’t standing for Trump’s nonsensical ravings and deflections from fact he’s heading a failed administration.

That’s exactly what it’s it about.

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Birth Control Works  Sep 25, 2017 • 9:25:38am

re: #570 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 25, 2017 • 9:25:42am

Is anyone else noting that the account Trump re tweeted this morning (@jayMAGA45), is only 4 months old and has 9K followers and 9K following? *cough*bot*cough*.

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Birth Control Works  Sep 25, 2017 • 9:26:15am

I went to RC school.

I don’t kneel anymore.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 25, 2017 • 9:26:46am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 9:27:30am

An African-American athlete of the 60’s, I want to say it was Bob Gibson. He said that “If I weren’t a successful baseball player, I’d just be another n-word to a lot of these people.” Sadly he was right then and honestly right now. A lot of these African-American athletes do come from tough backgrounds. Unlike Trump, they earned their success through their ability not a generous loan with Daddy’s name on it.

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 25, 2017 • 9:30:07am

re: #518 Birth Control Works

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Be interesting to see against whom that violence has escalated against.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 25, 2017 • 9:30:59am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 9:31:48am

White Americans are fine with black celebrities as long as they don’t rock the boat. And I frankly think that’s why a lot of white people like Michael Jordan more than Lebron though MJ to his credit did speak out yesterday too. Racism really hasn’t changed much. Yes, slavery is gone but there’s still the same patronizing bullshit to black Americans that tehy need to behave.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 9:33:10am

re: #589 goddamnedfrank

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 25, 2017 • 9:34:26am

6 new spammer registrations in just the last couple of minutes.

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Birth Control Works  Sep 25, 2017 • 9:34:33am

re: #588 Eventual Carrion

Be interesting to see against whom that violence has escalated against.

“The question really is, what is different now from 15 years ago in terms of why crime has increased?” said John K. Roman, a criminologist at the University of Chicago. “And the only thing that has changed is the distrust between heavily policed communities and local police. It’s not a coincidence that cities that have crime increases have also had problems between communities and the police.”

Among the cities that have experienced recent upticks in murder coupled with questionable police shootings that prompted rioting or other civil disturbances are Chicago, Baltimore, Charlotte, St. Louis and Milwaukee. But other cities where there have been significant increases in homicides in recent years, including Las Vegas and Memphis, have been largely free of public anger in response to fatal police shootings.

In 2016, Chicago again led the nation in murders with 765 — more than double the 335 people killed in New York, which has more than 5.8 million more people than Chicago.

In Chicago and elsewhere, murder victims, as well as those arrested on murder charges, were disproportionately young, African-American and male, according to the F.B.I. records and data from local law enforcement agencies. The overwhelming weapon of choice was a firearm, responsible for four of five killings in 2016.

And although large cities — those with populations of more than a million people — saw homicides rise by 20.3 percent, and all violent crime increase by 7.2 percent in 2016, the trend toward greater violence was felt in cities and towns of all sizes. In towns with populations of fewer than 10,000 people, for instance, murders rose by 8.4 percent, according to the F.B.I. data.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 25, 2017 • 9:34:40am

This is an Outrageous Scandal made to order for modern America: get people arguing race, freedom of speech and sports all at the same time. Meanwhile, the GOP will quietly and undistractedly proceed with its plan to dismantle government as we know it.

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Birth Control Works  Sep 25, 2017 • 9:35:20am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 9:35:36am

“The Day Beyoncé Turned Black” - SNL

Still funny and still relevant.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 9:41:47am

The meme I’m saying is “I don’t object to them doing it but I object to them using the game” to do it. Once again, you’re the same people who want people to be able to deny people service to legal services based on their personal religious beliefs but you’re bothered by someone using their platform as an athlete to draw attention to what is a serious problem in our society. Pardon me but what the fuck is wrong with you? You think an anti gay baker isn’t “distracting” from their job but you do think an athlete kneeling for the national anthem is even though they’re athletes, not national anthem standers.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 9:42:56am

Man, I’m just sick of this fake patriotism bullshit. Fucking 9/11 really did ruin everything because now you have to worship our country instead of just being proud to be an American. We’ve not learned a damn thing from fighting tyranny . We have become tyrannical minded.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 9:47:50am

re: #600 Birth Control Works

Female Officer Completes Marines’ Infantry Officer Training Course - Pacific Standard

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Now we could focus on that instead of shitting on people who don’t conform to our narrow definition of patriotism. Good for her. I am sure she’ll do us all proud.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 9:48:56am

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 9:50:26am

Kim Davis, a state employee denying people their civil rights was a hero to these people but somehow an athlete whose job has nothing to do with the national anthem is somehow a pariah for not conforming ot their idea of patriotism.

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Birth Control Works  Sep 25, 2017 • 9:53:24am

Don’t tell the Whackos …
Touching Helps Build the Sexual Brain

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 9:53:51am

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He posted it on FB. He’s getting it in the comments. The stupid “Oh not on company time.” Yet these are the same tpeople who as I’ve said want it not only okay but socially acceptable to deny someone a legal service like contraception or a wedding cake if the provider is uncomfortable with it.

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wrenchwench  Sep 25, 2017 • 9:55:00am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 25, 2017 • 9:57:42am

re: #607 HappyWarrior

He posted it on FB. He’s getting it in the comments. The stupid “Oh not on company time.” Yet these are the same tpeople who as I’ve said want it not only okay but socially acceptable to deny someone a legal service like contraception or a wedding cake if the provider is uncomfortable with it.

The NFL is an association of private clubs: it can pass a rule requiring all players to stand for the national anthem…and fire them if they choose not to obey.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 9:58:47am

re: #609 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The NFL is an association of private clubs: it can pass a rule requiring all players to stand for the national anthem…and fire them if they choose not to obey.

Yep. That’s true.

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bratwurst  Sep 25, 2017 • 10:00:26am

Another AMAZINGLY COINCIDENTAL tie to Russia:

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makeitstop  Sep 25, 2017 • 10:00:42am

re: #609 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The NFL is an association of private clubs: it can pass a rule requiring all players to stand for the national anthem…and fire them if they choose not to obey.

They’re not going to do that.

When owners put out their press releases yesterday, which side did they come down on?

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Belafon  Sep 25, 2017 • 10:01:53am

re: #613 makeitstop

They’re not going to do that.

When owners put out their press releases yesterday, which side did they come down on?

They tried to sound as neutral as they could, but they praised the players enough that you knew they’re not going to be fired.

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Sleep is often associated with having a brain because the behavior seems to be required for memory and learning, and because shared genes and mechanisms for sleep have been identified in all sorts of animals with brains, from worms and flies to mice and humans. But what we’ve found, at least in this jellyfish, is “you don’t need a brain to sleep,” Mr. Abrams said.

I’ll sleep better with that knowledge.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 10:03:42am

re: #613 makeitstop

They’re not going to do that.

When owners put out their press releases yesterday, which side did they come down on?

I think that’s the real reason why Trump is so mad. They’re supporting their players. The whole not on company time brigade is ignoring that the people who pay these guys’ salaries are fine with their protests. Tough shit, if you don’t like it. Fucking wingnut snowflake hypocrites.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 10:04:05am

re: #614 Belafon

They tried to sound as neutral as they could, but they praised the players enough that you knew they’re not going to be fired.

It epdeneded on the franchise really.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 10:04:21am

re: #612 bratwurst

Another AMAZINGLY COINCIDENTAL tie to Russia:

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Bibi’s as crooked as Trump.

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Birth Control Works  Sep 25, 2017 • 10:05:37am

re: #612 bratwurst

Another AMAZINGLY COINCIDENTAL tie to Russia:

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Gotta launder money somewhere … .

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makeitstop  Sep 25, 2017 • 10:05:55am

re: #618 HappyWarrior

Bibi’s as crooked as Trump.

And with a lot of the same people.

I’m thinking Bibi’s fall is going to be a lot harder than Trump’s though.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 10:06:36am

re: #620 makeitstop

And with a lot of the same people.

I’m thinking Bibi’s fall is going to be a lot harder than Trump’s though.

I’m going to enjoy seeing Bibi fall after the way he treated Obama and coddled to America’s far right just because they pay lip service to Israel.

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Shropshire Slasher  Sep 25, 2017 • 10:07:30am

re: #615 wrenchwench

Can jellyfish get sleep apnea?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 25, 2017 • 10:08:08am

I think a lot of white folks (the ones who ‘don’t have a racist bone it their body’) don’t realize the extent to which calling the NFL players taking a knee ‘Ungrateful’, and/or saying they’re paid to play a gaime, not to protest, comes across as “Dance, N*****, Dance!”

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BeachDem  Sep 25, 2017 • 10:08:52am

re: #579 Backwoods_Sleuth

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 10:09:22am

Man my wngnut friend likes some stupid shit on Facebook. Photoshop of Obama as Xerves from 300 with the caption “Unlike Trump who requires you stand, I require tou to kneel.” WTF. Man he’s a friend and always will be but he’s hopelessly ignorant politically.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 10:10:28am

re: #623 Blind Frog Belly White

I think a lot of white folks (the ones who ‘don’t have a racist bone it their body’) don’t realize the extent to which calling the NFL players taking a knee ‘Ungrateful’, and/or saying they’re paid to play a gaime, not to protest, comes across as “Dance, N*****, Dance!”

That’s exactly what it is and they don’t get that. Trump’s attitude about the safety stuff reminds me of how the Roman emperors got their jollies watching Gladiators die in the coliseum too.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 10:11:11am

re: #624 BeachDem

Lin Manuel Miranda has been raising money and providing all kinds of help for Puerto Rico. Meanwhile, back at yam headquarters…

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Fucking disgraceful. He should have been focused on that this weekend rather than bitching at football players and McCain but becaues he’s a childissh douche.

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BeachDem  Sep 25, 2017 • 10:11:37am

re: #581 HappyWarrior

I honestly don’t know what our troops are fighting for if you can’t kneel quietly during the national anthem. Hell as distasteful as it would be, they would be even within their right to yell BLM during it should they please. They say All lives matter but their rhetoric and actions prove otherwise.

And I honestly don’t know why “the troops” have anything to do with the whole thing in the first place. The protest had fuck all to do with “the troops,” but suddenly it’s all about “the troops.”

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Belafon  Sep 25, 2017 • 10:13:00am

re: #625 HappyWarrior

Man my wngnut friend likes some stupid shit on Facebook. Photoshop of Obama as Xerves from 300 with the caption “Unlike Trump who requires you stand, I require tou to kneel.” WTF. Man he’s a friend and always will be but he’s hopelessly ignorant politically.

“It looks like you know Trump is wrong, but you’re trying to cover that up by implying something that Obama never did. Maybe you should address Trump instead.”

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 10:13:52am

re: #628 BeachDem

And I honestly don’t know why “the troops” have anything to do with the whole thing in the first place. The protest had fuck all to do with “the troops,” but suddenly it’s all about “the troops.”

It’s simple BD. Saying someone is against the Troops may as well be saying someone doesn’t like Jesus. It’s pathetic distracting from what the real issue is and that’s police mistreatment that many African-Americans regardless of class experience in their lifetimes that white Americans like me will never experience.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 10:14:30am

re: #629 Belafon

“It looks like you know Trump is wrong, but you’re trying to cover that up by implying something that Obama never did. Maybe you should address Trump instead.”

Seriously Occupy Democrats Logic posts some stupid shit. I definitely liked my pal ebtter when he was apolitical but instead he’s become a right wing douche.

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wrenchwench  Sep 25, 2017 • 10:14:53am

re: #622 Shropshire Slasher

Can jellyfish get sleep apnea?

I hope not. Couldn’t swim with that CPAP on.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 25, 2017 • 10:14:54am

Upstairs we go!

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BeachDem  Sep 25, 2017 • 10:20:45am

re: #630 HappyWarrior

It’s simple BD. Saying someone is against the Troops may as well be saying someone doesn’t like Jesus. It’s pathetic distracting from what the real issue is and that’s police mistreatment that many African-Americans regardless of class experience in their lifetimes that white Americans like me will never experience.

As Jimmy so succinctly put it…

My Head Hurts, My Feet Stink and I Don’t Love Jesus - Jimmy Buffett

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 25, 2017 • 10:23:14am

re: #626 HappyWarrior

That’s exactly what it is and they don’t get that. Trump’s attitude about the safety stuff reminds me of how the Roman emperors got their jollies watching Gladiators die in the coliseum too.

That’s exactly what I was thinking.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 25, 2017 • 10:27:48am

re: #613 makeitstop

They’re not going to do that.

When owners put out their press releases yesterday, which side did they come down on?

they also know that a rule like that will cost them a big boycott from players, staff and fans…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 25, 2017 • 10:29:16am

re: #623 Blind Frog Belly White

I think a lot of white folks (the ones who ‘don’t have a racist bone it their body’) don’t realize the extent to which calling the NFL players taking a knee ‘Ungrateful’, and/or saying they’re paid to play a gaime, not to protest, comes across as “Dance, N*****, Dance!”

That was in one of DT’s statements, something to the effect that they have the “honor” of earning a minimum of 400K and should be grateful.

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sagehen  Sep 25, 2017 • 10:42:44am

re: #596 Birth Control Works

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sagehen  Sep 25, 2017 • 10:46:45am

re: #620 makeitstop

And with a lot of the same people.

I’m thinking Bibi’s fall is going to be a lot harder than Trump’s though.

Israel does have a history of putting former PM’s in prison when it seems appropriate….

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electrotek  Sep 25, 2017 • 11:05:30am

re: #639 sagehen

Israel does have a history of putting former PM’s in prison when it seems appropriate….

Even if one claims to be “anti-Zionist”, that should be one trait that they should give credit to Israel for doing.


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