The Bob Cesca Show: Six Degrees of Sergey

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Today’s program from our podcasting affiliate, The Bob Cesca Show:

Six Degrees of Sergey: Not Safe For Work; Jacki Schechner from InvestigateRussia.org is here; Julia Louis-Dreyfus diagnosed with breast cancer; Rachel Maddow discusses Lee Stranahan and fake news; Porn correction from Tuesday’s show; The long term Russian goal; The weaponizing of Facebook; Jared Kushner registered to vote as a woman; Trump’s worst day so far; Bob’s twoop goes viral; Roy Moore is nuts; Buy Bob’s reading of the Steele Dossier via Patreon and Band Camp; and much more.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 28, 2017 • 7:50:52pm

Following up from downstairs:

Yes, this is a 24 hour Walmart, thus they’ll start selling at 12:01.

2
I cannot.  Sep 28, 2017 • 7:53:32pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 28, 2017 • 7:56:51pm

re: #2 I cannot.

Good lord. Even non science oriented students should get that.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 28, 2017 • 7:58:15pm

re: #3 Eclectic Cyborg

Good lord. Even non science oriented students should get that.

Not the ones in the second group.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 28, 2017 • 7:58:19pm

So, I’m skipping Vietnam tonight.

My next episode is May Lai & Kent State.

Wonder why I’m delaying…..

It’s been just too much lately. Everything.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 28, 2017 • 7:58:50pm

re: #4 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Not the ones in the second group.

Touche.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 28, 2017 • 8:00:13pm

Anyone remember that episode of the X-files with the Marine unit that served in Vietnam who were altered so they didn’t have to sleep anymore?

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Charles Johnson  Sep 28, 2017 • 8:04:49pm
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Dragonomics  Sep 28, 2017 • 8:06:03pm

Is there a precedent for a POTUS using legistlation to reward states that voted for him and punish those who did not?

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calochortus  Sep 28, 2017 • 8:07:05pm

re: #5 Stanley Sea

So, I’m skipping Vietnam tonight.

My next episode is May Lai & Kent State.

Wonder why I’m delaying…..

It’s been just too much lately. Everything.

It is intense. We’re running a day behind, and won’t be watching tonight because my brother will be dropping by shortly. I’m just as happy to have breaks.
I’m blown away by the honesty of the guys they have on talking about their experiences.

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Unshaken Defiance  Sep 28, 2017 • 8:08:26pm

re: #5 Stanley Sea

{{Stanley}} Take a break, come back stronger. Seems to be how it works sometimes.

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Unshaken Defiance  Sep 28, 2017 • 8:10:33pm

re: #9 Dragonomics

Is there a precedent for a POTUS using legistlation to reward states that voted for him and punish those who did not?

Well to a degree baked into the process imho. But that’s a technical point given the threatened scale this time.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 28, 2017 • 8:12:15pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

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Imagine if you will, the RWNJ splodey heads that would have followed had the Obama admin wanted info on say, Tea Party groups on FB.

The double standard is appalling.

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calochortus  Sep 28, 2017 • 8:14:08pm

And speaking of my brother dropping by, I believe he is arriving as I type.
Hasta mañana, Lizards.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 28, 2017 • 8:15:09pm

re: #13 Eclectic Cyborg

Don’t have to imagine.

Remember the “IRS targets Tea Party groups” things?

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Charles Johnson  Sep 28, 2017 • 8:17:35pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 28, 2017 • 8:17:44pm

re: #15 The Ghost of a Flea

Yep, but I find Sessions’ DOJ particularly insidious.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 28, 2017 • 8:26:26pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 28, 2017 • 8:26:37pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

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Yeah. Sasse talks a good game but when he votes with Trump 90% of the time…

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JordanRules  Sep 28, 2017 • 8:26:56pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

I’m having a hard time processing this which is probably good.
I’m primed to freak the hell out.
How is this happening??????

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Interesting Times  Sep 28, 2017 • 8:27:24pm

Ha!

I trust most lizards will get it, but just in case someone doesn’t know: Canada has two official languages, English and French

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HappyWarrior  Sep 28, 2017 • 8:27:29pm

re: #18 Charles Johnson

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He also has voted to confirm nearly if not all Trump’s cabinet and Gorsuch as well.

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Belafon  Sep 28, 2017 • 8:29:05pm

re: #2 I cannot.

I have one of those shirts.

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teleskiguy  Sep 28, 2017 • 8:30:05pm

Episode 10 of ‘The Vietnam War.” An aging female Viet Cong officer has me just bawling.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 28, 2017 • 8:31:02pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

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How is Spencer significantly different than Trump? Sasse needs to condemn Trump’s attacks on free speech as un-American fascism.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 28, 2017 • 8:31:19pm

re: #24 teleskiguy

Episode 10 of ‘The Vietnam War.” An aging female N. Vietnam Army officer has me just bawling.

The whole was thing just so moving. The stories from both sides.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 28, 2017 • 8:32:03pm

re: #25 Patricia Kayden

How is Spencer significantly different than Trump? Sasse needs to condemn Trump’s attacks on free speech as un-American fascism.

Spencer is Trump if he’d gotten punched in the face a few more times and not inherited so much wealth.

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Belafon  Sep 28, 2017 • 8:32:07pm

re: #25 Patricia Kayden

How is Spencer significantly different than Trump? Sasse needs to condemn Trump’s attacks on free speech as un-American fascism.

One of them can vote to cut taxes on the rich.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 28, 2017 • 8:32:37pm

re: #28 Belafon

One of them can vote to cut taxes on the rich.

Yep!

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Belafon  Sep 28, 2017 • 8:33:37pm
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teleskiguy  Sep 28, 2017 • 8:33:56pm

re: #26 HappyWarrior

It was actually a Viet Cong officer, not a N. Vietnam Army officer. Comment edited to reflect that.

I’ve learned more about The Vietnam War with Ken Burns & Lynn Novick’s work than in college, and I’m a history minor!

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retired cynic  Sep 28, 2017 • 8:34:57pm

re: #31 teleskiguy

That’s why I know I’ll need to watch it. Living it is too subjective.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 28, 2017 • 8:35:30pm

re: #31 teleskiguy

It was actually a Viet Cong officer, not a N. Vietnam Army officer. Comment edited to reflect that.

I’ve learned more about The Vietnam War with Ken Burns & Lynn Novick’s work than in college, and I’m a history minor!

I was a history major. I hear ya. I want to learn more. It really helped that I watched a lot with my Dad. He’s not a vet and was involved in the protests.

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ObserverArt  Sep 28, 2017 • 8:37:26pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

Charles Johnson ✔@Green_Footballs
This is fascism, folks: DOJ demands Facebook info from ‘anti-administration activists’ cnn.it
11:04 PM - Sep 28, 2017

Saw this video clip of Zuckerberg earlier. It was from one week ago. Not sure if it was posted here, but with what you just posted about the DOJ, Mark Zuckerberg is about to get squeezed.

He is going to get a real education in politics now. It is going to be interesting watching how he gets through this. I think he has many battles forming that could put his company at peril depending how he reacts to the investigations at the same time he fights the DOJ.

He already appears to be a little rocked by the whole thing by the way he appears in this video.

Iframe

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teleskiguy  Sep 28, 2017 • 8:38:17pm

The humanitarian crisis of the fall of Saigon…I had no idea…barges full of fleeing S. Vietnamese…sinking…

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ObserverArt  Sep 28, 2017 • 8:40:42pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

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I think Ben has proven he is just another full of shit Republican politician. He was supposed to be fresh. He has staled quickly. Mold is now forming.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 28, 2017 • 8:41:08pm

re: #35 teleskiguy

The humanitarian crisis of the fall of Saigon…I had no idea…barges full of fleeing S. Vietnamese…sinking…

So heartbreaking.

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prairiefire  Sep 28, 2017 • 8:46:27pm

re: #34 ObserverArt

He doesn’t look right.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 28, 2017 • 8:47:01pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 28, 2017 • 8:47:51pm

re: #39 FormerDirtDart

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North Korea would be proud.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 28, 2017 • 8:47:55pm

re: #35 teleskiguy

The humanitarian crisis of the fall of Saigon…I had no idea…barges full of fleeing S. Vietnamese…sinking…

The only reference I have is the picture of that balls-of-titanium helicopter pilot lifting off of the roof of the US Embassy. I really need to watch this.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 28, 2017 • 8:48:42pm

Instead of demanding people not kneel, how about we work on what makes people want to kneel in the first place. Oh wait that means I hate cops.//

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HappyWarrior  Sep 28, 2017 • 8:49:30pm

re: #41 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

The only reference I have is the picture of that balls-of-titanium helicopter pilot lifting off of the roof of the US Embassy. I really need to watch this.

Please do. It’s a great way to learn about the war that defined our parents’ generation.

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Renaissance_Man  Sep 28, 2017 • 8:52:52pm

re: #25 Patricia Kayden

How is Spencer significantly different than Trump? Sasse needs to condemn Trump’s attacks on free speech as un-American fascism.

Spencer is smarter than Trump. Trump holds bigoted positions because he is stupid, incurious, and easily manipulated by emotional propaganda on TV. Spencer holds those positions because he took a look at genocide, racism, and oppression and decided that those things were awesome.

Most Republican voters are like Trump. But some are like Spencer. Together, they add up to about 63 million Americans. And how they are ultimately dealt with will decide the fate of this nation.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Sep 28, 2017 • 8:54:51pm

I still haven’t watched The Vietnam War but I’m getting up to it. From the comments I have seen, if nothing else, Burns seems to have shifted the Vietnam narrative to (or perhaps back to) where it belongs, with the Vietnamese and particularly the South Vietnamese.
It is a very complex picture.
For too long, the Saigon government has been just a part of the furniture, if it was acknowledged at all. The communists of course vilified it as the “puppet government,” and this has become the accepted picture everywhere. It was far from that and it might have been better at times if we had actually had more control over it. It was riddled with corruption and graft but even that changed and varied with whomever was in charge, and there were periods of real hope.
The “evil Saigon regime” is a simplistic caricature. Diem was very bad but he was killed in 1963. There was a period of chaos from which the flamboyant but competent Nguyen Cao Ky emerged as strongman. He was unable to hang on and was out-maneuvered by rival Nguyen Van Thieu, who was perhaps the most corrupt of all but who was more palatable to Americans than the “wildman” and “cowboy” Ky. Thieu’s cronyism was a direct cause of the military stalemate and the failure of “Vietnamization.” The Saigon government, our ally and client, was not a monolith whose every action is worthy of condemnation and contempt. The “evil Saigon regime” did not make the outcome inevitable for there was no single entity to which that label applied over the whole course of the war.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 28, 2017 • 8:57:58pm

I watched Flipping Out tonight, because mindless laughs.

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whitebeach  Sep 28, 2017 • 8:59:01pm

re: #32 retired cynic

That’s why I know I’ll need to watch it. Living it is too subjective.

Be prepared to feel pretty much the way you felt the first time through, except for the very most subjective experiences, I guess. At least that’s the way it hit me. Your mileage may vary greatly. It’s beyond history, or maybe it’s history before it gets petrified by time.

Tonight, the last episode, had far too many burning moments for me to count or even sum up. Some of them, though: the final transmission from the CIA station, Saigon; the resistance to and overwhelming emotional power of the Vietnam Memorial; the blind stupidity and ignorance of the American ambassador in Saigon, pretty much summarizing and capping all that had gone before; the woman VC officer teleski mentioned. So many human stories on film and in the words of those who were there.

Goddamit. Just goddamit.

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austin_blue  Sep 28, 2017 • 9:01:46pm

Funny. I was always told by my Jesuit teachers that kneeling was supplication to the object being displayed.- as if it wasn’t being respected by those who didn’t kneel.

Hmmm. That puts a whole new light on Kaepernick’s protest, doesn’t it?

It was almost as if he was was pleading for the flag to be respected by law enforcement officers who shot unarmed black men and children.

Yup. Funny, that.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Sep 28, 2017 • 9:02:31pm

I would like to see a Vietnam War movie centered on the South Vietnamese and on Ky in particular. It would be a real epic, reflecting the horrible, passionate, kaleidoscopic quality of those times, and Ky’s colorful personality. I would give it the borrowed title Warlord of the Air.

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teleskiguy  Sep 28, 2017 • 9:16:53pm

re: #45 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Your description here is sublime, and ‘The Vietnam War’ goes into the complexities you describe in some detail.

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dell*nix  Sep 28, 2017 • 9:17:35pm

re: #35 teleskiguy

If they got to sea, then they had to avoid the pirates. From 1973 thru 1975 I was at two air bases in Thailand and had to sit and watch as Laos, Cambodia and Viet Nam fell I need to finish scanning the news clippings I kept from then. This is what I currently have scanned. flickr.com

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Sep 28, 2017 • 9:20:19pm

re: #48 austin_blue

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wheat-dogg  Sep 28, 2017 • 10:16:43pm

re: #45 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

I still haven’t watched The Vietnam War but I’m getting up to it. From the comments I have seen, if nothing else, Burns seems to have shifted the Vietnam narrative to (or perhaps back to) where it belongs, with the Vietnamese and particularly the South Vietnamese.
It is a very complex picture.
For too long, the Saigon government has been just a part of the furniture, if it was acknowledged at all. The communists of course vilified it as the “puppet government,” and this has become the accepted picture everywhere. It was far from that and it might have been better at times if we had actually had more control over it. It was riddled with corruption and graft but even that changed and varied with whomever was in charge, and there were periods of real hope.
The “evil Saigon regime” is a simplistic caricature. Diem was very bad but he was killed in 1963. There was a period of chaos from which the flamboyant but competent Nguyen Cao Ky emerged as strongman. He was unable to hang on and was out-maneuvered by rival Nguyen Van Thieu, who was perhaps the most corrupt of all but who was more palatable to Americans than the “wildman” and “cowboy” Ky. Thieu’s cronyism was a direct cause of the military stalemate and the failure of “Vietnamization.” The Saigon government, our ally and client, was not a monolith whose every action is worthy of condemnation and contempt. The “evil Saigon regime” did not make the outcome inevitable for there was no single entity to which that label applied over the whole course of the war.

I just finished it. Do watch it. It’s heartrending in parts, maddening in others. The docu does a good job in presenting the many faults of Diem, Ky and Thieu, and those of Ho and his PM, Le Duan. Also, it was pretty clear that the Vietnamese of the south only tolerated Thieu’s government as a necessary evil; I think most understood he was in power only because Washington wanted him there.

I teared up when they showed the wall.

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sagehen  Sep 28, 2017 • 11:12:33pm

re: #24 teleskiguy

Episode 10 of ‘The Vietnam War.” An aging female Viet Cong officer has me just bawling.

I bet you’re talking about the one who

her 8 older brothers all died in the French war, and both her sons died in the American war.

She really got to me too.

The thing in this episode that made me angriest was the utterly incompetent American ambassador who refused to believe the CIA reports. If he’d been good at his job, the evacuation would have been sooner/smoother/not left so many people behind who deserved better (and so many classified documents).

The thing that made me saddest was in the photos of the left-behinds, a whole group of kids whose fathers were obviously, visibly, of European genotype. (I don’t know why that particular set of photos didn’t include any kids who were visibly 1/2 African-American — I’ve met some black/viet people in real life, and they’re unanimously GORGEOUS. That’s a really good mix.)

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sagehen  Sep 28, 2017 • 11:20:42pm

re: #43 HappyWarrior

Please do. It’s a great way to learn about the war that defined our parents’ generation.

Ahem.

Did you forget that many of us on this site are considerably older than you? The war that defined *MY* parents’ generation was WWII.


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