Trump Fans Circulate Fake Photo of NFL Players Burning a US Flag

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Today we find Trump fans on both Facebook and Twitter circulating an obviously fake photograph, with the caption “No more NFL,” purportedly showing Seattle Seahawks defensive end Michael Bennett burning a US flag in a locker room while other players stand around and cheer.

As I write this, the fake image has been shared on Facebook nearly 5,000 times, and the counter is still increasing rapidly even though many commenters are pointing out that it’s a fake. And the account that posted it, “Vets for Trump,” has more than 100,000 followers.

The original photo was lifted from this page at the Seattle Seahawks site, and shows Bennett doing a post-game victory dance.

Credit: Seattle Seahawks/Rod Mar

Let’s cut right through the haze here and state it outright: Donald Trump has loosed a torrent of racist smears from his base of bigoted supporters, and this is just the latest eruption.

(h/t: Buzzfeed/Michelle Broder Van Dyke.)

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261 comments

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Sir John Barron  Sep 29, 2017 • 11:38:17am

Football players are the new antifa.

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electrotek  Sep 29, 2017 • 11:39:09am

These deplorable fuckers have no shame, don’t they?

Oh wait, shame is not even in their rather limited vocabulary.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2017 • 11:39:34am

Really pathetic yet typical.

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Birth Control Works  Sep 29, 2017 • 11:39:36am

Lynda Carter to James Cameron: ‘Stop Dissing Wonder Woman, You Poor Soul’

James Cameron has been constantly complaining about Wonder Woman being bad for feminism, and Lynda Carter has something to add. That something is a request for Cameron to shut the fuck up.

Carter, who played Wonder Woman on the 1970s show of the same name, posted a statement to her Facebook telling Cameron to stop dissing the movie:

To James Cameron -STOP dissing WW: You poor soul. Perhaps you do not understand the character. I most certainly do. Like all women—we are more than the sum of our parts. Your thuggish jabs at a brilliant director, Patty Jenkins, are ill advised. This movie was spot on. Gal Gadot was great. I know, Mr. Cameron—because I have embodied this character for more than 40 years. So—STOP IT.
Thank you Lynda.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 29, 2017 • 11:42:22am

Welcome to the new ‘populism’. I guess it shouldn’t be surprising that once they’re given a reason to, wingnuts have turned on the NFL, specifically the black players who comprise most of the rosters. Very ‘whiny’, uppity these players, make too much money, they ‘scare’ the owners, etc.

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Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2017 • 11:42:32am

My father has been a Seahawks fan for decades.

He’s also a wingnut who’s convinced that there’s a rule against kneeling during the anthem and is pissed at players who do so.

So I expect it to be…interesting to talk with him when he finally gets back from his trip later this afternoon.

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EPR-radar  Sep 29, 2017 • 11:42:52am

“A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes.” — Mark Twain.

It’s a given that this shit will propagate faster than light through the RW fever swamp.

Unfortunately, the mainstream media doesn’t use episodes like this to point out that the US right lies all the time, about everything.

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Birth Control Works  Sep 29, 2017 • 11:43:00am

Student Loan Defaults Increase For First Time In Five Years; 8.5M Borrowers Now In Default

For the first time in half a decade, the rate of education loan defaults among recent college students has risen, highlighting the struggle many recent graduates face when it comes to paying their educational debts.

A new report from the Department of Education found there was a slight increase in the percentage of borrowers who are defaulting on their student loans within three years of entering repayment. This is known as the cohort default rate.

According to the report, among the more than five million borrowers who entered repayment in 2014, 11.5% (or 580,671) defaulted on their loans.

The new figure is up slightly from the 11.3% (or 593,182) of students who entered repayment in 2013 and subsequently defaulted in 2015.

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Belafon  Sep 29, 2017 • 11:43:23am

And what about the white people in there? And how did that not cause the sprinklers to go off?

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Sir John Barron  Sep 29, 2017 • 11:43:33am

re: #6 Targetpractice

My father has been a Seahawks fan for decades.

He’s also a wingnut who’s convinced that there’s a rule against kneeling during the anthem and is pissed at players who do so.

So I expect it to be…interesting to talk with him when he finally gets back from his trip later this afternoon.

Sigh. Hopefully he won’t be taken in by this obvious fakery.

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2017 • 11:43:45am

Of course the people forwarding this photoshop have received the legal right to alter it and circulate an altered original from Rod Mar Photography, LLC., haven’t they?

Otherwise they could be looking at paying some hefty fees.
rodmar.photoshelter.com

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Sir John Barron  Sep 29, 2017 • 11:44:01am

re: #9 Belafon

And what about the white people in there? And how did that not cause the sprinklers to go off?

Stop asking questions about our obviously very true photo!

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 29, 2017 • 11:44:27am

re: #6 Targetpractice

My father has been a Seahawks fan for decades.

He’s also a wingnut who’s convinced that there’s a rule against kneeling during the anthem and is pissed at players who do so.

So I expect it to be…interesting to talk with him when he finally gets back from his trip later this afternoon.

I’m lucky that my father sees right through Trump, but my brother is nuts from alt-Christianity. He behaves nicely, like he always has, but he votes for lunatics and sometimes says stupid things he heard on Fox.

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Kragar  Sep 29, 2017 • 11:44:48am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2017 • 11:45:09am

It’s not that they disagree with these guys, they have to smear them in the most ugly and dishonest ways possible but don’t call em hateful or racist.

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EPR-radar  Sep 29, 2017 • 11:45:29am

re: #11 jaunte

Of course the people forwarding this photoshop have received the legal right to alter it and circulate an altered original from Rod Mar Photography, LLC., haven’t they?

Otherwise they could be looking at paying some hefty fees.
rodmar.photoshelter.com

I like this. Sic the copyright police on the RWNJs. US copyright law is draconian enough that each and every wingnut who propagates this image could be criminally liable, in addition to facing exorbitant fines.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 29, 2017 • 11:47:35am

re: #14 Kragar

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Ace Rothstein  Sep 29, 2017 • 11:48:20am

re: #11 jaunte

Rod Mar is the Seahawks’ team staff photographer, and a damn good one.

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Birth Control Works  Sep 29, 2017 • 11:48:41am

Who cares if they burn the flag?

It’s an old form of protest —very 1960’s.

really doesn’t rank high on my list of improprieties.

The flag is a THING—just like a religious book.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2017 • 11:48:42am

re: #17 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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The right is even alienating business.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 29, 2017 • 11:49:00am

re: #4 Birth Control Works

I’m going to watch an episode of Wonder Woman tonight.

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Birth Control Works  Sep 29, 2017 • 11:49:00am

off to photoshop for a while

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 29, 2017 • 11:49:23am

re: #20 HappyWarrior

The right is even alienating business.

Ignorance is good for business, but bigotry is not.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2017 • 11:49:35am

re: #19 Birth Control Works

Who cares if they burn the flag?

It’s an old form of protest —very 1960’s.

really doesn’t rank high on my list of improprieties.

The flag is a THING—just like a religious book.

A lot of people do and it’s more the fact it’s a fake image being used to stir up hatred against these athletes.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 29, 2017 • 11:49:54am

re: #19 Birth Control Works

Who cares if they burn the flag?

It’s an old form of protest —very 1960’s.

really doesn’t rank high on my list of improprieties.

The flag is a THING—just like a religious book.

And reactionaries go nuts over both.

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Kragar  Sep 29, 2017 • 11:49:59am
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jaunte  Sep 29, 2017 • 11:50:03am

re: #18 Ace Rothstein

Rod Mar is the Seahawks’ team staff photographer, and a damn good one.

Ooh, maybe the NFL owns the photo.

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Belafon  Sep 29, 2017 • 11:50:15am

re: #19 Birth Control Works

Who cares if they burn the flag?

It’s an old form of protest —very 1960’s.

really doesn’t rank high on my list of improprieties.

The flag is a THING—just like a religious book.

Because this isn’t about the flag.

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JordanRules  Sep 29, 2017 • 11:50:42am

Ooh, I spotted a bot!

Saw the same comment posted as a reply on a bunch of tweets from different people about all types of stories over a short period of time. Checked their page and all the signs are there.

Pushing the outrage from every angle.

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Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2017 • 11:50:46am

re: #10 Sir John Barron

Sigh. Hopefully he won’t be taken in by this obvious fakery.

I’d like to believe it so. But when I told him that the “rule” didn’t exist, that it was a fabrication and appears nowhere in the official rulebook, his response was effectively to call me a liar by saying that he’d been told about the “rule” by a long-time good friend who is also a devout Christian who would never lie to him.

I just gave up at that point, because the man is (sadly) one of the stereotypical bitter ends who is supporting Trump until his particular ox is gored.

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Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2017 • 11:51:40am

re: #26 Kragar

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BBL, going to Gamestop.

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wrenchwench  Sep 29, 2017 • 11:51:54am

From the Buzzfeed article:

Dayna Mink Coats

That’s just her Facebook name, right?

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Sir John Barron  Sep 29, 2017 • 11:52:29am

re: #15 HappyWarrior

It’s not that they disagree with these guys, they have to smear them in the most ugly and dishonest ways possible but don’t call em hateful or racist.

yes, it’s not enough that these uppities won’t stand for Are Flag, so they have to find PROOFS that they’re Monsters who Burn Flags and hate America.

/

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 29, 2017 • 11:52:29am

OT.

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electrotek  Sep 29, 2017 • 11:52:48am

What are Kaepernick jerseys going for nowadays?

I regret not buying one a year ago (but that’s because I never really got into buying jerseys sadly).

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Ace Rothstein  Sep 29, 2017 • 11:52:54am

Wingnuts can’t even photoshop right.

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Belafon  Sep 29, 2017 • 11:53:01am

re: #30 Targetpractice

Maybe he’ll take another source: wfaa.com.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 29, 2017 • 11:53:19am

re: #30 Targetpractice

I’d like to believe it so. But when I told him that the “rule” didn’t exist, that it was a fabrication and appears nowhere in the official rulebook, his response was effectively to call me a liar by saying that he’d been told about the “rule” by a long-time good friend who is also a devout Christian who would never lie to him.

I just gave up at that point, because the man is (sadly) one of the stereotypical bitter ends who is supporting Trump until his particular ox is gored.

If he’ll take the word of a “devout Christian” over his own son, that’s REALLY disturbing.
Can’t he understand that RW “Christians” lie and misinform ALL THE TIME?

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Charles Johnson  Sep 29, 2017 • 11:54:37am

Sigh.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 29, 2017 • 11:55:14am

re: #35 electrotek

What are Kaepernick jerseys going for nowadays?

I regret not buying one a year ago (but that’s because I never really got into buying jerseys sadly).

I just see kid’s sizes from the NFL
nflshop.com

I’ve never worn a Jersey. Thinking about doing so now.

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Ace Rothstein  Sep 29, 2017 • 11:57:21am

The comments on that Facebook page, JFC.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2017 • 11:57:23am

re: #33 Sir John Barron

yes, it’s not enough that these uppities won’t stand for Are Flag, so they have to find PROOFS that they’re Monsters who Burn Flags and hate America.

/

One wingnut acquaintance was calling them black nationalists.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 29, 2017 • 11:57:27am

I’m proud of myself for not snarking.

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2017 • 11:58:22am

re: #43 Charles Johnson

You are an exemplar of reserve.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 29, 2017 • 11:58:28am

re: #17 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

The opposite side to this, I hate to admit since I’m a fan, is that the NFL, college football, and perhaps most big coliseum team sports generally, have been propped up by the right wing for decades. That the underlying culture of these games is in fact quite reactionary. It doesn’t necessarily have to be that way, but as it’s been constructed, the Professional Sports Industrial Complex (I include college sports in this as well) is a Frankenstein monster of violence, dominance, fundamentalist religion, misogyny, and overall social control. And like much of America’s wealth in the 18th and 19th centuries, it’s being built largely on the back of black labor.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2017 • 11:58:51am

re: #41 Ace Rothstein

The comments on that Facebook page, JFC.

To me the bots are more obvious by the day. A lot of the stuff I saw on FB about the “official NFL rule” were so obvious Russobots.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 29, 2017 • 11:58:57am

re: #35 electrotek

What are Kaepernick jerseys going for nowadays?

I regret not buying one a year ago (but that’s because I never really got into buying jerseys sadly).

$66 for an XL
ebay.com

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Sir John Barron  Sep 29, 2017 • 11:59:24am

re: #41 Ace Rothstein

The comments on that Facebook page, JFC.

It’s helpful to acknowledge from time to time that at least half of this country is insane.

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Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2017 • 11:59:41am

re: #37 Belafon

Maybe he’ll take another source: wfaa.com.

I’m not going to bother. My father has left me with the impression over the years that he is one of those wingnuts who thinks he knows everything there is to know and gets angry if you try to correct his misinformation. The same day we discussed the NFL, he brought up the Confederate statues, and is utterly convinced that the Civil War was over “economics.”

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:00:40pm

re: #42 HappyWarrior

One wingnut acquaintance was calling them black nationalists.

Cut them loose. It’s past time to shun the crazies. Show moderates what the right is. You can’t help the radicalized right, so why let them intrude into your life.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:00:59pm

re: #48 Sir John Barron

It’s helpful to acknowledge from time to time that at least half of this country is insane.

Which is why I’m cynical about things getting better. And the people who believe this stuff. They’re our parents, neighbors, coworkers, siblings, and even friends.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:01:04pm

re: #48 Sir John Barron

It’s helpful to acknowledge from time to time that at least half of this country is insane.

30% for sure. 1/2 maybe.

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:01:06pm

re: #33 Sir John Barron

yes, it’s not enough that these uppities won’t stand for Are Flag, so they have to find PROOFS that they’re Monsters who Burn Flags and hate America.

/

The silly conservative in my office used the protests as an example of absurd thinking:
“…Well, there are people who think not standing for the national anthem will end racism, so anything goes.”

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Charles Johnson  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:01:22pm

I’ve noticed that people on Twitter who don’t bother to click links before commenting often get very bent out of shape and defensive if you point out they didn’t click the link before commenting.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:01:29pm

re: #45 Sir John Barron

The opposite side to this, I hate to admit since I’m a fan, is that the NFL, college football, and perhaps most big coliseum team sports generally, have been propped up by the right wing for decades. That the underlying culture of these games is in fact quite reactionary. It doesn’t necessarily have to be that way, but as it’s been constructed, the Professional Sports Industrial Complex (I include college sports in this as well) is a Frankenstein monster of violence, dominance, fundamentalist religion, misogyny, and overall social control. And like much of America’s wealth in the 18th and 19th centuries, it’s being built largely on the back of black labor.

I’ve had some awareness of this over the years but have tried to suppress that awareness. The current Trumpified political climate has made that denial more difficult.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:01:42pm

re: #50 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Cut them loose. It’s past time to shun the crazies. Show moderates what the right is. You can’t help the radicalized right, so why let them intrude into your life.

Oh he’s not a FB friend but i saw him comment on another friend’s post.

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Ace Rothstein  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:01:44pm

LOL. And the photo of Bennett was shot in 2015.

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JordanRules  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:02:06pm

re: #46 HappyWarrior

Yup. I’m spotting them all the time now and it does seem easier to tell.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:02:17pm

re: #53 jaunte

The silly conservative in my office used the protests as an example of absurd thinking:
“…Well, there are people who think not standing for the national anthem will end racism, so anything goes.”

Yeah, that was essentially one of Erick son of Erick’s quips, that the protests hadn’t ended shootings in Chicago, etc.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:03:02pm

re: #49 Targetpractice

I’m not going to bother. My father has left me with the impression over the years that he is one of those wingnuts who thinks he knows everything there is to know and gets angry if you try to correct his misinformation. The same day we discussed the NFL, he brought up the Confederate statues, and is utterly convinced that the Civil War was over “economics.”

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Sir John Barron  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:03:03pm

re: #57 Ace Rothstein

LOL. And the photo of Bennett was shot in 2015.

See, this antifa player has been burning flags since 2015!

/

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:03:05pm

re: #59 Sir John Barron

Thanks. I knew she hadn’t developed that thought on her own, but I didn’t have time to track it down.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:04:45pm

re: #59 Sir John Barron

Yeah, that was essentially one of Erick son of Erick’s quips, that the protests hadn’t ended shootings in Chicago, etc.

They’ll never shut up about Chicago or so called black on black crime.

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:04:50pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

tl;dr

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:05:18pm

Blue lives matter is absurd too because juries aren’t acquitting cop killers.

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I cannot.  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:05:22pm

re: #58 JordanRules

I’ve come to the conclusion that a lot of the Russian trolls are just doing donuts now and not even trying for plausible covers.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:05:28pm

Let me guess: Bennett is going to get death threats now.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:05:59pm

re: #58 JordanRules

Yup. I’m spotting them all the time now and it does seem easier to tell.

Yeah. Must be getting lazy.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:06:01pm

re: #66 I cannot.

I’ve come to the conclusion that a lot of the Russian trolls are just doing donuts now and not even trying for plausible covers.

Their cover is blown.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:06:43pm

re: #67 Eclectic Cyborg

Let me guess: Bennett is going to get death threats now.

His brother also an NFL player already has and I’m sure he will too. And of course Trump won’t condemn those.

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Ace Rothstein  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:06:55pm

re: #67 Eclectic Cyborg

Let me guess: Bennett is going to get death threats now.

Charged with WPWB. (Wrongly Photoshopped While Black)

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Kragar  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:06:58pm
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jaunte  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:07:05pm
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HappyWarrior  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:07:47pm

re: #73 jaunte

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Run Murphy Run……for President.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:08:16pm

re: #72 Kragar

But I thought we had clean coal?

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electrotek  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:09:16pm

re: #63 HappyWarrior

They’ll never shut up about Chicago or so called black on black crime.

Yet they were nowhere to be found expressing continuous outrage over the mass killing in Plano recently.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:09:43pm

re: #72 Kragar

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Blatant political pay-off to the dying, rent seeking coal industry.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:09:44pm

re: #55 Sir John Barron

I’ve had some awareness of this over the years but have tried to suppress that awareness. The current Trumpified political climate has made that denial more difficult.

And I don’t mean that the ugly undercurrent of professional sports is all racial. It’s generally exploitive and abusive to the kids who train for The Games and play in them, White and Black. Of course it offers lots of benefits to the few who succeed without suffering disabling injuries. And it can be entertaining for the millions of us who watch.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:10:26pm

This is getting comical

Support the VETS!

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JordanRules  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:10:31pm

re: #55 Sir John Barron

Same with me. Sports was such a major part of my life but after I read William Rhoden’s “40 Million Dollar Slaves” it started to change. It’s still in my life but barely and more just because it’s still part of everybody else’s life. It’s been a weird evolution for me.

It’s funny how many black folks were boycotting the NFL over the Kaep blackball and now there’s this crazy turn in the story thanks to the crazy yam.

This rally outside of NFL HQ was at the end of August.
bleacherreport.com

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Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:10:45pm

A counter to the “it didn’t end racism!” bit from wingnuts: “How long will it take for your boycott to change the NFL?” After all, if a protest action is only relevant if it causes immediate change, then a boycott that doesn’t force the NFL’s hand overnight is every bit as useless.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:11:32pm

Has this fake flag-burning image shown up at the usual viper dens yet (DimJim, Breitbart, FR, etc)?

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Sir John Barron  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:12:54pm

re: #81 Targetpractice

A counter to the “it didn’t end racism!” bit from wingnuts: “How long will it take for your boycott to change the NFL?” After all, if a protest action is only relevant if it causes immediate change, then a boycott that doesn’t force the NFL’s hand overnight is every bit as useless.

I still want them to answer two questions:

1. What is disrespectful about kneeling, as opposed to standing?
2. Should patriotism be coerced?

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sagehen  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:13:08pm

re: #38 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

If he’ll take the word of a “devout Christian” over his own son, that’s REALLY disturbing.
Can’t he understand that RW “Christians” lie and misinform ALL THE TIME?

How much is lying and how much is ignorance?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:14:21pm

re: #84 sagehen

How much is lying and how much is ignorance?

A little of column a, and a little of column b. The ignorance is often willful.

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JordanRules  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:14:47pm

re: #66 I cannot.

This one appears to be an automated bot. The actual paid trolls might be getting sneakier for all I know. The recent developments about Twitter and FB are crazy and we’re all in the infancy of making sense of some of it.

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:14:48pm

re: #83 Sir John Barron

“Be like me” is the whole of the Law.

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Ace Rothstein  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:15:33pm

re: #82 Sir John Barron

Has this fake flag-burning image shown up at the usual viper dens yet (DimJim, Breitbart, FR, etc)?

Dim Jim isn’t running it, but he has a story about how the NFL’s “favorability ratings” have been cut in half, as if there is such a thing as “NFL favorability ratings.” But digging deeper into the Daily Caller’s “poll,” we see the “favorability ratings” have been cut in half by Trump supporters.

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Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:16:43pm

re: #83 Sir John Barron

I still want them to answer two questions:

1. What is disrespectful about kneeling, as opposed to standing?
2. Should patriotism be coerced?

#2 is (IMHO) the more important of the two, as it shows a terrible lack of understanding of what is supposed to make America unique and special. If we have to coerce patriotism, force it through the threat of punishment, then how are we any different than the dozens of dictatorships and oligarchies across the globe?

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JordanRules  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:18:05pm

re: #79 Stanley Sea

The audacity is wild. Its only been 9 months. My goodness!
Pedal to the metal corruption. They are going balls to the wall.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:20:09pm

Dear Erik Erikson:

Kneeling didn’t end shooting in Chicago.

Nor has profiling young black men. Nor has thirty years of roughing up random South Side residents and unwarranted searches to meet arrest quotas. Nor has a decade of a having a secret holding facility.

One of these paragraphs involves acts that ignore the basic liberties of Americans.

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:22:49pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:22:54pm

Wanna really piss of the Trump mob? Replace that American flag with a Confederate one.

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Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:23:21pm

From the “Imagine if they were black” file:

It is currently believed that the victim was acquainted with Sean Garrison, who reportedly contacted Olesko wanting to meet. Unbeknownst to Olesko, the brothers planned to rob him at the meeting. However, the robbery went wrong and 18-year-old Olesko was shot dead.

“Witnesses told the police that the teen went to the front of the residence to meet with someone when they heard a gunshot. When Olesko’s friends ran out front, they found the 18-year-old lying on the ground not moving. One of the witnesses called 911,” wrote The Root’s Breanna Edwards.

Two of the three Garrison brothers have had previous run-ins with police on charges of violence. Sean Garrison was arrested in March on charges of causing injury to a girl younger than 15. Middle brother Kyee was convicted twice of causing bodily injury in 2016.

The Star-Telegram said that a fourth brother, Bryan Garrison, 20, is currently serving a 50-year prison sentence after being convicted of “continuous sexual abuse of a child under the age of 14,” according to court records.

Black victim, white shooters, and it’s Texas…who wants to bet they’ll play the “Scary Black Man!” defense card?

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JordanRules  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:24:04pm
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jaunte  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:24:25pm
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electrotek  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:24:26pm

re: #94 Targetpractice

From the “Imagine if they were black” file:

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Black victim, white shooters, and it’s Texas…who wants to bet they’ll play the “Scary Black Man!” defense card?

Jesus Christ, this hits further close to home for me.

Fucking hell

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:24:54pm

re: #94 Targetpractice

From the “Imagine if they were black” file:

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Black victim, white shooters, and it’s Texas…who wants to bet they’ll play the “Scary Black Man!” defense card?

“White Settlement, TX” !?!?!?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:25:13pm

He’s not only not treating Puerto Rico like part of America. He’s not even treating it like a COLONY of America. He’s treating it like a foreign country he’s doing a favor for.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:25:19pm

re: #92 jaunte

Wingnuts don’t have room to talk regarding libraries and censorship, since the most backward of them keep up a running list of “improper, vulgar, anti-American, anti-Christian, etc” books that should be banned.

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Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:25:31pm

re: #95 JordanRules

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:26:25pm

re: #96 jaunte

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JordanRules  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:26:45pm

re: #99 Blind Frog Belly White

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:27:35pm

re: #99 Blind Frog Belly White

He’s not only not treating Puerto Rico like part of America. He’s not even treating it like a COLONY of America. He’s treating it like a foreign country he’s doing a favor for.

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Bring them here. Fuck the racists.

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:27:56pm

re: #98 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

“White Settlement, TX” !?!?!?

We ain’t fleein’, we’re settlin!”

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:28:24pm

re: #94 Targetpractice

Where were those three radicalized? What were they learning in their church? Why hasn’t all whites denounced them and disavowed them?

Oh wait, it’s only Muslims and other religious minorities and blacks who have to represent and carry the weight of all people of their same religious and racial background.

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:29:23pm
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Charles Johnson  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:30:13pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:30:20pm
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TedStriker  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:31:01pm

re: #49 Targetpractice

I’m not going to bother. My father has left me with the impression over the years that he is one of those wingnuts who thinks he knows everything there is to know and gets angry if you try to correct his misinformation. The same day we discussed the NFL, he brought up the Confederate statues, and is utterly convinced that the Civil War was over “economics.”

Well, you could quip that it was…the economics of the South continuing to own slaves and use that slave labor to stave off mechanization.

However, that’s still probably going to be a losing fight with someone so ingrained in their POV.

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:31:31pm

re: #96 jaunte

The GOP isn’t pro life. They’re pro forced birth. They couldn’t care what happens to anyone once they’re born. They don’t care of the crushing health costs they might incur. Or the need for retirement. All that matters is that the rich are pampered and insulated from all the burdens, while the costs are borne by society.

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RiverBoy  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:31:43pm

I figured with the recent new members issue that went on here I better introduce myself before going on my rant as to hopefully put to bed my sincerity going forward. I have been a lurker on this site since around 2009 but never took the plunge to post because I usually refrain from posting on the internet all together. But I find myself struggling to keep my frustrations with current events from boiling over so this place seemed like the most sane place to unload my frustrations. With all the things this administration has done so far it feels almost comical to argue that Trump going after the NFL protesters is thing that has me the most scared. I am not trying to belittle the Russian angle or North Korea mess but I think its fair to say that the only people still behind him on those issues are his crazy base and the corrupt Republican party. Him going after the players is resonating with more than just the crazies. Wrapping yourself in the flag and bringing in the troops always wins in this country.

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Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:32:08pm

re: #99 Blind Frog Belly White

He’s not only not treating Puerto Rico like part of America. He’s not even treating it like a COLONY of America. He’s treating it like a foreign country he’s doing a favor for.

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One of DHS’s “advisors” was on CNN this morning to defend this stupidity:

“We always have big discussions after disasters, as to the cost,” Bossert said. “But what you need to know is that Puerto Rico started this one $72 billion in debt, so the president is 1,000 percent right. We’re going to have to figure out how to handle this as we move forward.”

Cuomo interrupted Bossert, who irritably complained, and asked what was the connection between Puerto Rico’s debt and the administration’s responsibility to aid the territory as it had Texas and Florida.

“The idea is, Chris, with them being in debt, they don’t have enough ready liquid cash to pay their normal share like Florida and Texas had ready (to) share,” Bossert said. “So what we’re ready to do, and the president has already done it, is give a 180-day cost-share adjustment. The federal government is paying 100 percent of the tab to make sure lives are saved. We’ll worry about the big decisions later — that’s the president’s point.”

Not spoken aloud: TX & FL have their own shares of debt in the billions, but neither state had help held up by talks over how they were going to “pay their share.”

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Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:33:07pm

re: #107 jaunte

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“We” being Trump’s lawyers.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:33:30pm

re: #99 Blind Frog Belly White

Can’t remember another president…

This is an all-too common statement these days.

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JordanRules  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:34:38pm

re: #112 RiverBoy

Welcome!!!

Looking forward to your posts. This place has been a much needed refuge for me. I’m so thankful for it and everyone here.

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Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:34:52pm

re: #110 TedStriker

Well, you could quip that it was…the economics of the South continuing to own slaves and use that slave labor to stave off mechanization.

However, that’s still probably going to be a losing fight with someone so ingrained in their POV.

I did quip that it was over economics, namely the slaves the South owned were worth millions and they feared the North was gonna come and take them away. He followed in the time-honored wingnut tradition: He just kept repeating his nonsense until I gave up.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:35:23pm

re: #104 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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Bring them here. Fuck the racists.

The Puerto Rican Government could respond by saying they are buying plane tickets for every resident to the mainland and leaving the creditors holding an empty bag.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:36:04pm
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Targetpractice  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:36:58pm

re: #119 Charles Johnson

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House Republicans: “The President says its going fine, he’s being applauded by those folks, so why waste our time on this when there’s tax cuts to pass?!”

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:37:33pm

re: #118 Big Beautiful Door

The Puerto Rican Government could respond by saying they are buying plane tickets for every resident to the mainland and leaving the creditors holding an empty bag.

They should. Islands do not have a good future ahead of them.

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JordanRules  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:37:57pm

re: #104 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Seriously. Let’s help our citizens and finally get them a vote. Then we’ll be able to elect sane people and continue to help all citizens.

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electrotek  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:38:18pm

re: #121 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

They should. Islands do not have a good future ahead of them.

Where to relocate the entire population to in the mainland? Northeast is out of the question as it is densely populated to begin with.

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KingKenrod  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:38:34pm

I get the feeling Trump and his buddies are planning to carve Puerto Rico up like a turkey.

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dangerman  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:38:53pm

re: #83 Sir John Barron

I still want them to answer two questions:

1. What is disrespectful about kneeling, as opposed to standing?
2. Should patriotism be coerced?

3. *why* is he kneeling

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The Ghost of a Flea  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:39:08pm

re: #83 Sir John Barron

re: #89 Targetpractice

I don’t think this is about coercing patriotism.

This is about “patriotism”—in the form of ritualized actions—being used as a convenient bludgeon to silence dissent. As such, there’s no incentive on the part of the accuser to ever acknowledge patriotism by the accused, or even to set a clear bar of “this is patriotism” to be cleared.

The trick here is the way National Anthem etiquette is being elided to “support the troops” and both are elided to “and therefore don’t respect the sacrificed lives that help protect the nation.” This isn’t an argument in good faith about patriotism, it’s cynical and bad-faith misdirection. The argument rests on a series of “therefore” claims, where the accuser ignores pertinent data (what each player has said about what they’re doing and why) and treats their subjective “read” of events as requiring no justification.

It’s kangaroo court bullshit fit for a Soviet show trial. It’s weaponizing sentiment the way abusive parents do. It is exactly the same rhetoric bait-and-switch that used to constantly move goalposts about when a minority is “assimilated.”

Privilege is all about being able to declare what is “normal” and “status quo” without reality testing, about subjective impressions and feelings treated as “true.” The first move made against Kapernick, et al, was to completely ignore what they said about their actions, and the second was to ignore the short- and long-term context*.

*and by long-term context, I mean going back as far as Douglass’ “What is the 4th of July to a slave?

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TedStriker  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:39:14pm

re: #94 Targetpractice

From the “Imagine if they were black” file:

Black victim, white shooters, and it’s Texas…who wants to bet they’ll play the “Scary Black Man!” defense card?

Guaranteed they will, because it’s worked well up to this point.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:40:01pm

re: #123 electrotek

Where to relocate the entire population to in the mainland? Northeast is out of the question as it is densely populated to begin with.

We have a lot of empty space in America. It’s the source of our biggest problem, people who are xenophobic because they’ve never even met someone who looks different than they do.

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Belafon  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:40:38pm

re: #117 Targetpractice

I did quip that it was over economics, namely the slaves the South owned were worth millions and they feared the North was gonna come and take them away. He followed in the time-honored wingnut tradition: He just kept repeating his nonsense until I gave up.

My favorite thing to do is to repeat the line from the Cornerstone speech by the VP of the Confederacy:

Our new government is founded upon exactly [this] idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests upon the great truth, that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery — subordination to the superior race — is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth.

And then, since I’m in Texas, I read from the Texas declaration of secession.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:41:15pm

re: #127 TedStriker

Guaranteed they will, because it’s worked well up to this point.

It would be a huge mistake to let them walk. They all appear to be victims of Fetal alcohol syndrome, and will be likely to re-offend due to underdeveloped brains.

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:41:19pm
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KGxvi  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:43:20pm

re: #122 JordanRules

Seriously. Let’s help our citizens and finally get them a vote. Then we’ll be able to elect sane people and continue to help all citizens.

Whether it’s statehood or independence, I don’t think the status quo can hold any longer.

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electrotek  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:43:44pm

re: #128 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

We have a lot of empty space in America. It’s the source of our biggest problem, people who are xenophobic because they’ve never even met someone who looks different than they do.

Well they are fellow Christians!!!

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RiverBoy  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:44:10pm

re: #116 JordanRules

Thank you.

Sports has been a major part of my life being raised by a football/basketball coach and playing competitively through college so maybe this issue is hitting home more for me. I just know too many people right now that otherwise would despise Trump. Instead he has life long die hard sports fans I know turning off the games.

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JordanRules  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:44:18pm

re: #128 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

With global warming and our current trajectory this is something we may have to plan for anyway.

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:44:51pm

His investments! Send the military!

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Eventual Carrion  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:44:56pm

re: #98 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

“White Settlement, TX” !?!?!?

I noticed that

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Stanley Sea  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:45:30pm

re: #134 RiverBoy

Thank you.

Sports has been a major part of my life being raised by a football/basketball coach and playing competitively through college so maybe this issue is hitting home more for me. I just know too many people right now that otherwise would despise Trump. Instead he has life long die hard sports fans I know turning off the games.

A false security in patriotism runs deep.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:47:22pm

re: #136 jaunte

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His investments! Send the military!

During that interview Trump said you “have” to stand for the national anthem. No, we don’t, you shit stain; we have a constitutional right not to.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:47:47pm

Ideally the right-wing lunatics and the NFL would both lose. One causes brains to turn to swiss-cheese, and the other causes traumatic brain injury.

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EPR-radar  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:48:07pm

re: #118 Big Beautiful Door

The Puerto Rican Government could respond by saying they are buying plane tickets for every resident to the mainland and leaving the creditors holding an empty bag.

Perhaps the tr*mp/GOP plan for Puerto Rico is to depopulate it via poor response to a natural disaster, and then sell off the entire island to tr*mp or his cronies for a song.

tr*mp is essentially a real estate scammer, so this would appeal to him enormously.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:48:36pm

re: #139 Big Beautiful Door

During that interview Trump said you “have” to stand for the national anthem. No, we don’t, you shit stain; we have a constitutional right not to.

He never allows for the fact that we have a disgraceful federal government at the moment, that will have to change a lot to gain back respect.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:48:47pm

re: #98 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

“White Settlement, TX” !?!?!?

Yep. The name does refer to the white race too. It’s an interesting story.
White Settlement Texas

The name of White Settlement originated as a result of there being two settlements in the area: one occupied predominantly by Native Americans (near where Fort Worth is located today), and the other one being occupied by white settlers. The latter settlement received the name “White Settlement” as a way to distinguish itself from the Native American settlement. The city was incorporated in 1941.

On October 14, 2005, city leaders announced a plan to have local voters decide on a possible name change for the town from White Settlement to West Settlement. In the November 8 election, the name change was overwhelmingly rejected by a vote of 2,388 to 219.

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dangerman  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:49:18pm

re: #112 RiverBoy

nice intro

you know you’re on your own w/r/t pizza toppings, right?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:49:37pm

re: #143 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Yep. The name does refer to the white race too. It’s an interesting story.
White Settlement Texas

Real creative thinkers there.

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:50:47pm

re: #141 EPR-radar

Perhaps the tr*mp/GOP plan for Puerto Rico is to depopulate it via poor response to a natural disaster, and then sell off the entire island to tr*mp or his cronies for a song.

tr*mp is essentially a real estate scammer, so this would appeal to him enormously.

His base wouldn’t like millions of hispanic citizens arriving in states with the right to vote.

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JordanRules  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:51:34pm

re: #134 RiverBoy

Yup. We know what sports and military mean to this country. This is going to get a lot more convoluted too and the propaganda machine will continue to exploit that drawing in a lot more ignorant people.

And this whole thing absolutely relates to the Russian op because like they did in the election, they are using our existing issues to destabilize us.

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:52:11pm

re: #141 EPR-radar

then sell off the entire island

How much is that, measured in golf courses?

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Belafon  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:52:22pm

re: #146 Big Beautiful Door

ICE would just deport them to Mexico, where they’re from. ///

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KGxvi  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:52:42pm

Assuming Puerto Ricans opt for statehood, here’s what I think would be a good way forward:

1. Puerto Rico is made a state (possibly incorporating the Virgin Islands)
2. DC is made a state, we can name it Columbia and exempt the National Mall, White House, Congress, Supreme Court and other federal buildings
3. The size of the House is increased from 435 members to 441 (one Rep for Columbia, five for PR/VI) until 2020; after the census, the House is increased to 475 members and reapportioned accordingly for 2022

I’m not sure what we do with our Pacific territories like Guam and American Samoa.

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:53:14pm

His lack of empathy constitutes a kind of insanity.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:53:36pm

re: #147 JordanRules

Yup. We know what sports and military mean to this country. This is going to get a lot more convoluted too and the propaganda machine will continue to exploit that drawing in a lot more ignorant people.

And this whole thing absolutely relates to the Russian op because like they did in the election, they are using our existing issues to destabilize us.

And the @RealDonaldTrump Twitter account acts exactly like a Russian bot, constantly working to divide us to tear America down.

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KGxvi  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:53:59pm

re: #145 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Real creative thinkers there.

Blazing Saddles… You know, morons.

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JordanRules  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:54:01pm

re: #150 KGxvi

I like!!

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:54:06pm

re: #151 jaunte

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His lack of empathy constitutes a kind of insanity.

Then all Republicans are insane.

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dangerman  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:54:19pm

re: #123 electrotek

Where to relocate the entire population to in the mainland? Northeast is out of the question as it is densely populated to begin with.

texas

/ .5s

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RiverBoy  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:54:51pm

re: #144 dangerman

Thank you.

I try not to discriminate against anything is this world, especially pizza toppings, but my personal preference is absolutely no pineapple. I will eat pineapple all day but please not on my pizza. To each their own though.

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freetoken  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:55:42pm

The Okeanos Explorer is back looking for sunken things. Looks like they found something:

Okeanos Explorer: Camera 1

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Belafon  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:55:43pm

re: #156 dangerman

I was thinking of starting Puerto Rico, KS.

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lawhawk  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:56:01pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:56:13pm

re: #150 KGxvi

Assuming Puerto Ricans opt for statehood, here’s what I think would be a good way forward:

I’m not sure what we do with our Pacific territories like Guam and American Samoa.

Trump is working to make sure they disappear under the Pacific soon.

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dangerman  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:56:21pm

re: #126 The Ghost of a Flea

I don’t think this is about coercing patriotism.

This is about “patriotism”—in the form of ritualized actions—being used as a convenient bludgeon to silence dissent….

this is outstanding

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:56:41pm

re: #157 RiverBoy

Thank you.

I try not to discriminate against anything is this world, especially pizza toppings, but my personal preference is absolutely no pineapple. I will eat pineapple all day but please not on my pizza. To each their own though.

My tongue would hurt so much if I ate pineapple all day. It’s tasty, but putting it on pizza is heresy.

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JordanRules  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:56:48pm

re: #145 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I think we should rename Fort Worth to, Native American City. Settlement felt too weird.

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dangerman  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:59:13pm

re: #131 jaunte

[Embedded content]Help me #give2veterans. Every retweet means a dollar for @Stand4Heroes, up to $500K, by 9/30. Let’s see how much we can raise today!

give them the effing money!

anytime i see “incentivized” donating i say, forget the stupid gesture.

you’re gonna withhold a portion of the 500k from group a if you dont get 500k retweets from group b?

how cruel is that?

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ObserverArt  Sep 29, 2017 • 12:59:24pm

re: #39 Charles Johnson

Sigh.

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It’s one of them days.

Every day.

Again.

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dangerman  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:01:19pm

re: #132 KGxvi

Whether it’s statehood or independence, I don’t think the status quo can hold any longer.

not after this treatment

at times in the past, i have been mad, angry, embarrassed to be an american due to the actions of people in the federal (generally) government

i am so ashamed of us.

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EPR-radar  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:01:53pm

re: #151 jaunte

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His lack of empathy constitutes a kind a insanity.

I was convinced very early in the campaign that tr*mp was both a malignant narcissist and a sociopath. Since then, I’ve come to believe he is a true psychiatric solipsist.

In tr*mp’s world, there is only one human being. Himself. Everyone else is at best a projection on a screen or a device to interact with. His method of dealing with his crowds of mindless supporters is pure Pavlovian stimulus-response. He knows from past experience how to get approval from this source of stimulus, and his real political talent is in obsessively focusing on crowd feedback in real time to get as much pleasure from this essentially masturbatory process as possible.

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Renaissance_Man  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:02:53pm

re: #134 RiverBoy

Thank you.

Sports has been a major part of my life being raised by a football/basketball coach and playing competitively through college so maybe this issue is hitting home more for me. I just know too many people right now that otherwise would despise Trump. Instead he has life long die hard sports fans I know turning off the games.

I don’t know those people, but I have doubts that they would otherwise ‘despise Trump’. In all the news stories and of all the people I have met and talked to, I haven’t ever seen or heard of anyone who would oppose Trump and Trumpism except for one issue. There are many who say they would, such as saying they’d definitely vote against Trump except for the abortions/vets/emails, but once you ask a few more questions, that’s definitely not the only issue.

The thing is, being a Trumper, or cultist, or whatever term you want to use, isn’t about any issues at all. There isn’t a single issue that isn’t negotiable. You could turn around tomorrow and broadcast from every pulpit, news network, and radio station that abortion was actually now fine and only liberals are against abortion, and 95% of them would change their minds overnight, and insist that they’d never believed any different. There is no issue that ‘turns’ people into Trumpers, just like calling people racists or Nazis doesn’t make them racist Nazis. This is because being a cultist isn’t about any issue at all. It’s about the feeling of being free to hate. It’s about your news sources and your subculture being about hatred of other people, liberals, brown people, gays, or whatever. It may be a cordial hate or a full blown violent one, but what they want is the feeling of being free to hate, not being judged or ‘oppressed’ by having to hold their bile back. In some cases this hate is ingrained, and the cultist came to the cult because they were offering what he already had. In other cases this hate is taught, by listening to Rush every day or watching FOX 24/7 or by constantly reading what other cultists send you on Facebook. But it is not about any issue, be it abortion, football, or economic anxiety. It is about hate. Your friends and neighbours aren’t feeling economically anxious, or exasperated about politics. What they want is to hate, and specifically to hate you. And me. And anyone who their subculture tells them to hate.

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Renaissance_Man  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:04:00pm

re: #169 EPR-radar

I was convinced very early in the campaign that tr*mp was both a malignant narcissist and a sociopath. Since then, I’ve come to believe he is a true psychiatric solipsist.

In tr*mp’s world, there is only one human being. Himself. Everyone else is at best a projection on a screen or a device to interact with. His method of dealing with his crowds of mindless supporters is pure Pavlovian stimulus-response. He knows from past experience how to get approval from this source of stimulus, and his real political talent is in obsessively focusing on crowd feedback in real time to get as much pleasure from this essentially masturbatory process as possible.

This is exactly true. Pretending that there is any plan or forward thinking in Trump’s worldview is just projection of normal human thoughts onto him. No such thoughts exist in his mind.

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:04:41pm

re: #165 dangerman

Yeah, sometimes I think that, but then I think a retweet by me is not much effort to deliver a dollar.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:05:13pm

re: #171 Renaissance_Man

This is exactly true. Pretending that there is any plan or forward thinking in Trump’s worldview is just projection of normal human thoughts onto him. No such thoughts exist in his mind.

People who work in nursing homes and memory care centers are the people in the best position to understand Trump.

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dangerman  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:05:43pm

re: #157 RiverBoy

Thank you.

I try not to discriminate against anything is this world, especially pizza toppings, but my personal preference is absolutely no pineapple. I will eat pineapple all day but please not on my pizza. To each their own though.

you can stay

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CongoJack  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:05:52pm

re: #168 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Ah HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Same with pro and college basketball, baseball, hockey etc etc etc.

ITS ALL AH SCAMZ FER THERE FEMA CAMPS

Speaking of which my crazy cousins husband (in KS) went on a FB rant about how taxes are too high and how evil the NFL is (oh.. did I forget to mention he is a bigot… he’s a bigot). But if you just go back one week where was he? At an NFL game apparently getting ready for his FEMA camp admittance.

These people have abnormal (Abby Normal ?) brains.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:06:17pm

re: #165 dangerman

give them the effing money!

anytime i see “incentivized” donating i say, forget the stupid gesture.

you’re gonna withhold a portion of the 500k from group a if you dont get 500k retweets from group b?

how cruel is that?

I’m just amazed that he can give away $500k. Most Americans increase their expenses as they make more money, and stay cash-poor.

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dangerman  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:06:55pm

re: #159 Belafon

I was thinking of starting Puerto Rico, KS.

i was thinking of near tipping point state, lots of ev’s

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electrotek  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:07:29pm

re: #176 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I’m just amazed that he can give away $500k. Most Americans increase their expenses as they make more money, and stay cash-poor.

And that is where I can see why some people believe fiscal conservatism makes sense at that level, no?

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freetoken  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:08:09pm

Lot of brittle stars have colonized this hull. Must be plenty of food in the water:

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:08:16pm

re: #177 dangerman

Florida.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:08:33pm

It seems that “incredible” is a very poor adjective to use when describing “loss of life” but it is only one of 6 adjectives in Trump’s vocabulary.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:08:36pm

re: #178 electrotek

And that is where I can see why some people believe fiscal conservatism makes sense at that level, no?

Of course, but it only works at that level, and Republicans try to pretend the government should be run like a household.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:08:37pm
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CongoJack  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:08:58pm

re: #173 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

People who work in nursing homes and memory care centers are the people in the best position to understand Trump.

My wife worked in an Alzheimer ward before we met. Every she watches tRump on TV she says he speaks and acts like people in early forms of dementia. I then showed her the videos of tRump getting lost from AF1 to his motorcade and him just walking away when he was suppose to sign an executive order and she just said - oh my god, this looks so familiar.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:09:40pm

re: #181 The Vicious Babushka

It seems that “incredible” is a very poor adjective to use when describing “loss of life” but it is only one of 6 adjectives in Trump’s vocabulary.

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He probably doesn’t like words like “devastating”. It’s not only negative, but can be used in phrases like “Trump’s devastating dementia”.

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EPR-radar  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:09:46pm

re: #176 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I’m just amazed that he can give away $500k. Most Americans increase their expenses as they make more money, and stay cash-poor.

I take a very dim view of such stunts. My assumption here is that this is someone for whom $500K is pocket change, and he wants to see lesser beings do a bit of order-taking ‘for a good cause’.

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electrotek  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:09:55pm

re: #182 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Of course, but it only works at that level, and Republicans try to pretend the government should be run like a household.

Well said.

I used to identify myself as a “fiscal conservative, socially liberal” type many years ago, until I finally realized much later that it is indeed an oxymoron.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:10:56pm

re: #186 EPR-radar

I take a very dim view of such stunts. My assumption here is that this is someone for whom $500K is pocket change, and he wants to see lesser beings do a bit of order-taking ‘for a good cause’.

I’ll dance for him for half a second to get $1 to a person in need.

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JordanRules  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:11:45pm

re: #188 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I will too but it does underscore how silly it is.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:12:04pm

re: #183 Charles Johnson

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Trump’s father gave him millions of dollars, a free ride in life, but never gave him love.

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:12:18pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:13:40pm

re: #186 EPR-radar

I take a very dim view of such stunts. My assumption here is that this is someone for whom $500K is pocket change, and he wants to see lesser beings do a bit of order-taking ‘for a good cause’.

Or alternately they’re doing it this way in order to get some free publicity and eyeballs on the charity name.

Similar concept behind matching funds for charity donations, I would think.

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:13:42pm

What fresh bullshit is this?

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dangerman  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:14:03pm

re: #172 jaunte

Yeah, sometimes I think that, but then I think a retweet by me is not much effort to deliver a dollar.

and im fine with that. and everyone in group a who does.

my problem is with the donor who set it up
its a sort of emotional blackmail
if they dont get 500k group a’s… they hurt group b

they’ve already implied they have the 500k to give, they’re not raising new cash

it’s a peeve. a small one in perspective with everything else.

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ObserverArt  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:14:34pm

re: #49 Targetpractice

I’m not going to bother. My father has left me with the impression over the years that he is one of those wingnuts who thinks he knows everything there is to know and gets angry if you try to correct his misinformation. The same day we discussed the NFL, he brought up the Confederate statues, and is utterly convinced that the Civil War was over “economics.”

It was over economics. They were fighting to keep their free slave labor. You can make more money that way.

By the way, your father sounds just like my older brother.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:14:45pm
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CongoJack  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:14:58pm

re: #193 jaunte

Oh look the GOP brought their token. Lets send out this guy to take flak for our rich white overlords (hmmm… I wonder why).

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JordanRules  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:16:17pm

re: #196 Charles Johnson

I really want to know more about his upbringing. His father sounded like a horrible person. His mother had horrible hair.

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TedStriker  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:16:24pm

re: #186 EPR-radar

I take a very dim view of such stunts. My assumption here is that this is someone for whom $500K is pocket change, and he wants to see lesser beings do a bit of order-taking ‘for a good cause’.

“Dance for me or I don’t give them a dime!”

Either shut up and give, because you want to help, or don’t, but skip the fucking mind games.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:16:36pm

“The loss of life, it’s always tragic”

trump has learned that you are supposed to say that or else people look at you funny but he’s not sure exactly why

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makeitstop  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:16:56pm

For those who have been speculating that Trump’s got an idea to carve p Puerto Rico - Josh Marshall is having the same thoughts.

Set aside the irony of someone who has made a career and a fortune out of skipping on his own debts pressing an embattled American territory on its debt obligations. This and other comments about the Puerto Rico crisis make it look very much like Trump plans to use the disaster as a wedge to enforce a massive wave of privatization on the Island. His comments, hints and overall attitude suggest he’s looking at the crisis not as a public emergency on US territory but more like the way a rival business looks at a distressed competitor that needs a rescue, with all the maximization of pressure and advantage that entails.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:16:56pm

Anyway, tomorrow I have a 10k and since I was going to have to go by bib pickup anyway I figured why not volunteer?

So I will go take my mind off everything for a few hours in favor of running-related things. (And sportspuck, since it’s sponsored by the local sportspuck team.)

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:17:02pm

Keep Yo Republican Lies

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RiverBoy  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:17:28pm

re: #170 Renaissance_Man

I would normally completely agree with you. For someone to overlook the numerous examples of Trump being absolute horrible human being just because he is espousing obvious faux patriotism seems unlikely. I concede that my social circle or public interactions aren’t indicative of the rest of the world as well so maybe my experiences is the exception. But yes I do know at least a dozen people who up to this point has been completely anti-Trump but he has them on this one. I know a dozen is not a lot in the scheme of things but my social circle is not that large.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:18:20pm

re: #193 jaunte

[Embedded content]

What fresh bullshit is this?

It’s yesterday’s bullshit, I think, but you reminded me to chastise these morons.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:19:27pm

re: #202 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Anyway, tomorrow I have a 10k and since I was going to have to go by bib pickup anyway I figured why not volunteer?

So I will go take my mind off everything for a few hours in favor of running-related things. (And sportspuck, since it’s sponsored by the local sportspuck team.)

Good for you for staying in that kind of shape! I get sweaty just running around my living room playing VR games.

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freetoken  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:19:31pm

Lots of stars, all wanting the best real estate:

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wrenchwench  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:20:20pm

re: #204 RiverBoy

Welcome, hatchling.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:20:21pm

re: #206 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Good for you for staying in that kind of shape! I get sweaty just running around my living room playing VR games.

Well, I mean, this is warm-up for the 5k and half marathon next weekend.

(Okay, really leaving now.)

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:20:41pm

re: #198 JordanRules

I really want to know more about his upbringing. His father sounded like a horrible person. His mother had horrible hair.

His mother had hilarious hair. I had never seen a wave like that.

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:20:43pm

re: #205 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

It’s yesterday’s bullshit, I think

It’s been spraying out faster than a poor working man can keep up with.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:22:07pm

re: #211 jaunte

It’s been spraying out faster than a poor working man can keep up with.

Way too fast. I was wrong, it’s crusty, two-day-old, bullshit.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:23:19pm

I finally figured out who “Judge” Jeannine Pirro reminds me of - Edith Prickley!

YouTube

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I cannot.  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:23:46pm

re: #210 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

That wasn’t a wave, that was a fucking tsunami.

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freetoken  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:27:25pm

I believe this is the sub they were looking for yesterday.

Sentaka Type I-201

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Sir John Barron  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:27:52pm

re: #200 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

“The loss of life, it’s always tragic”

trump has learned that you are supposed to say that or else people look at you funny but he’s not sure exactly why

later to aides:

There, did I say the right thing? JFC. I mean who gives a shit. I never knew this shity island colony was part of the U.S.! If I’d known that crap I wouldn’t have run for this stupid office. So many people I’m supposed to serve. Who needs this? Can’t wait till I can retire.

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ObserverArt  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:28:51pm

re: #112 RiverBoy

I figured with the recent new members issue that went on here I better introduce myself before going on my rant as to hopefully put to bed my sincerity going forward. I have been a lurker on this site since around 2009 but never took the plunge to post because I usually refrain from posting on the internet all together…

Welcome! Good to have another member and feel free to vent. It helps.

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wrenchwench  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:30:30pm

re: #213 Blind Frog Belly White

I finally figured out who “Judge” Jeannine Pirro reminds me of - Edith Prickley!

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Video

i thought you had performed a miracle; reincarnated one who is still with us:

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:33:13pm

re: #218 wrenchwench

i thought you had performed a miracle; reincarnated one who is still with us:

[Embedded content]

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:33:59pm

Greg Abbott finally let go of some of Texas’ rainy day fund. Houston Mayor Sylvester Turner mentioned raising property taxes to help pay for the Harvey recovery costs, and Abbott couldn’t let a municipal tax raise be allowed to happen successfully; people might realize raising taxes moderately doesn’t kill the economy.

Game of chicken winner.

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:36:29pm

(The average Houston homeowner would have paid the princely sum of $48 more a year if the Harvey recovery money had to come from a tax increase).

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ObserverArt  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:37:36pm

re: #151 jaunte

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His lack of empathy constitutes a kind of insanity.

His mind is gone. He really needs to go.

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:37:48pm
224
Stanley Sea  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:38:31pm

Price resigned.

Onto Pruitt & Zinke

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wrenchwench  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:38:39pm

re: #219 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

[Embedded content]

I googled her, because I haven’t seen a tweet from her in a while. Maybe I gotta cut down on my muuhhhhh muuhs and meow meows, make room for my Buzzy buzzes.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:39:05pm

re: #223 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Door. Ass. Way out.

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Belafon  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:39:57pm

re: #226 Blind Frog Belly White

Door. Ass. Way out.

I would hope it would hit him and leave a big bruise.

Now, to sue him to recover all of the costs.

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:40:23pm

re: #226 Blind Frog Belly White

Clearing the way for an even worse replacement who by this date has a much better idea of who Trump is.

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RiverBoy  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:40:36pm

re: #223 jaunte

The Friday news cycle has it’s latest victim.

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:40:56pm
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freetoken  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:41:31pm

re: #230 Ace-o-aces

I wonder how voluntary that was?

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Sir John Barron  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:42:45pm

re: #231 freetoken

I wonder how voluntary that was?

1. Not very.
2. Not at all.

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:42:49pm

re: #231 freetoken

I wonder how voluntary that was?

Trump moved on him like a bitch.

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Sir John Barron  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:43:03pm

re: #228 jaunte

Clearing the way for an even worse replacement who by this date has a much better idea of who Trump is.

This is the problem….

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Big Beautiful Door  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:43:20pm

re: #223 jaunte

[Embedded content]

I’m hoping there is a slight chance Trump might accidentally appoint a replacement who will do the job he is supposed to do and try to make the ACA work. Unlikely, I know.

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sagehen  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:44:09pm

re: #118 Big Beautiful Door

The Puerto Rican Government could respond by saying they are buying plane tickets for every resident to the mainland red states, where they’ll immediately register to vote, and leaving the creditors holding an empty bag.

3.5 million people means what? 2.5 million are of voting age? Put them in Mississippi, Alabama, Texas, Arkansas…

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:44:29pm

re: #235 Big Beautiful Door

The acting replacement seems legitimate:
linkedin.com

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:44:29pm

re: #223 jaunte

Price offered his resignation

excellent

the smooth, confident, and totally smug manner with which price lies like a used car salesman (#notallusedcarsalesmen) made him a dangerous, not to mention fucking annoying, member of the trump junta

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dangerman  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:44:36pm

re: #224 Stanley Sea

Price resigned.

Onto Pruitt & Zinke

it wasnt what he did

its how it reflected on trump’s image

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:44:43pm
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sagehen  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:45:16pm

re: #123 electrotek

Where to relocate the entire population to in the mainland? Northeast is out of the question as it is densely populated to begin with.

Also, it snows up there. People who’ve spent their whole lives in the Caribbean don’t like snow.

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:45:46pm

I hope Zinke has a nice weekend.

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wrenchwench  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:46:29pm

re: #231 freetoken

I wonder how voluntary that was?

Reminds me of the job where I met Mr. w. We had a terrible boss, who called Mr. w in for some criticism. He said, ‘What are you going to do, fire me?’ She got all flummoxed and brought her tone down, and he kept the job. Next day, she called in a friend of ours for a ration, he’d heard Mr. w’s story, and said, ‘What are you going to do, fire me?’ She said, ‘You’re fired!’

That was back before Trump ever was on TV.

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JordanRules  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:46:33pm

re: #239 dangerman

245
Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:46:35pm

So who is going to pick up the tab for Champagne Tommy’s charters—The Kochs, Mercers, or Thiel?

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:47:49pm

re: #241 sagehen

Also, it snows up there. People who’ve spent the whole lives in the Caribbean don’t like snow.

They’d probably like the Alabama Riviera.

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ObserverArt  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:48:00pm

re: #196 Charles Johnson

Charles Johnson ✔@Green_Footballs
Trump’s childhood must have been truly nightmarish, to produce a self-obsessed, driven monster like this.
4:14 PM - Sep 29, 2017
3 3 Replies 6 6 Retweets 62 62 likes

I’m thinking he was bullied and belittled by both his parents and told constantly he would never amount to anything and he has been fighting to prove himself ever since. He wants so bad to be accepted it turned him into a heartless con because he came from a heartless family. It made him distrustful and he probably never learned empathy because he was taught that feelings make people weak and daddy didn’t like weak people…whack!

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JordanRules  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:48:07pm

re: #245 Joe Bacon 🌹

You and me bud!

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electrotek  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:48:34pm

re: #241 sagehen

Also, it snows up there. People who’ve spent the whole lives in the Caribbean don’t like snow.

Except the Puerto Ricans in NY/NJ, but then again they’re different from those of the island. I’ve had some Puerto Ricans from San Juan proper years ago gripe about the “fake Ricans” as they called them that reside in the Tri-State area and how they are all about “Boricua pride” but have never set foot to the island once.

Anyone else encounter similar views regarding the two?

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:48:41pm

So when does DeVos buy the farm?

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:50:22pm

I hope we can get the money back from Price.

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sagehen  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:52:17pm

re: #151 jaunte

[Embedded content]

His lack of empathy constitutes a kind of insanity.

Repost from a few weeks ago:

talkingpointsmemo.com

He Can’t Even Fake It

Because many sociopaths are actually quite adept at demonstrations of empathy. They don’t feel it. But they can mimic the behavior. That’s what gets me. Trump can’t even pretend. Even your garden variety jerk politician can put on a show of hugs and supportive words. Trump can’t.

It’s like watching a person who has profound social awkwardness in a meet and greet situation at a cocktail party. It’s painful. But again, with Trump it’s not social awkwardness. It’s a basic, seemingly fundamental inability not only to experience but even to fake the experience of empathy or human concern. That additional part is what is remarkable to me.

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ObserverArt  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:53:22pm

re: #224 Stanley Sea

Price resigned.

Onto Pruitt & Zinke

Really? Wow. That is good news. That man made my skin crawl every time I would see him or listen to him. So full of shit it came out of his mouth when he opened it.

And not to mock anyone, but he had that silver-haired, wire rimmed glasses visage that so many Republicans seem to have.

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jaunte  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:53:55pm

re: #252 sagehen

Yes, he barely cares enough to even pretend to make an effort.

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makeitstop  Sep 29, 2017 • 1:55:39pm

re: #245 Joe Bacon 🌹

So who is going to pick up the tab for Champagne Tommy’s charters—The Kochs, Mercers, or Thiel?

We are.

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unproven innocence  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:01:07pm

re: #236 sagehen

3.5 million people means what? 2.5 million are of voting age? Put them in Mississippi, Alabama, Texas, Arkansas…

I suspect all federal-level resettlement efforts for hurricane victims are going to look a lot like gerrymandering, while ignoring almost any other consideration.

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jeffreyw  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:03:04pm

re: #223 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Are they holding his passport until he pays the airfare he owes?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:07:06pm

re: #118 Big Beautiful Door

The Puerto Rican Government could respond by saying they are buying plane tickets for every resident to the mainland and leaving the creditors holding an empty bag.

They should all come to the mainland and settle here, where they will be allowed to vote.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:18:09pm

re: #141 EPR-radar

Perhaps the tr*mp/GOP plan for Puerto Rico is to depopulate it via poor response to a natural disaster, and then sell off the entire island to tr*mp or his cronies for a song.

tr*mp is essentially a real estate scammer, so this would appeal to him enormously.

especially if he can get the government to foot the bill to restore the infrastructure.

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TedStriker  Sep 29, 2017 • 2:43:10pm

re: #239 dangerman

it wasnt what he did

its how it reflected on trump’s image

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Stanley Sea  Sep 29, 2017 • 5:59:38pm

Well I hope/doubt the yam is watching CNN.

He’d learn a fucking lot if he did.

Jose Andres just preached.


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Orkestra Obsolete Play Blue Monday Using 1930s Instruments - BBC Arts More information: bbc.in New Order's Blue Monday was released on 7 March 1983, and its cutting-edge electronic groove changed pop music forever. But what would it have sounded like if it had been made 50 years earlier? In a ...
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