An Awesome Live Performance by Phoebe Bridgers in a Hotel Room: “Smoke Signals”

Something happened when you were a kid
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ADVISORY: This video contains explicit lyrics.

In a hotel room near midnight, Bridgers shares a lullaby for the lost. You can’t help but hang on for dear life.

By Lars Gotrich

Phoebe Bridgers was one of our top discoveries going into SXSW, a quiet and powerful voice in the loud din of the festival. After she performed at Central Presbyterian Church, a favorite venue among our staff, Bridgers and percussionist Marshall Vore came to Bob Boilen’s hotel room just before midnight to play the striking “Smoke Signals.”

Stripped of the strings on the studio version, there is still a sweeping quality to this acoustic performance, something like Low’s elegiac waltzes blurred into open chords, suitcase percussion, children’s toy bells and vocal harmony. You can’t help but hang on for dear life.

Credits:

Producers: Bob Boilen, Mito Habe-Evans; Director/Videographer: Nickolai Hammar; Audio Engineer: Josh Rogosin; Executive Producer: Anya Grundmann;

LYRICS:

I went with you up to
The place you grew up in
We spent a week in the cold
Just long enough to
“Walden” it with you
Any longer, it would have got old

Singing “Ace of Spades” when Lemmy died
But nothing’s changed
L.A.’s all right
Sleeping in my bed again
And getting in my head
And then walk around the reservoir

You, you must have been looking for me
Sending smoke signals
Pelicans circling
Burning trash out on the beach

One of your eyes is always half-shut
Something happened when you were a kid
I didn’t know you then
And I’ll never understand
why it feels like I did

“How Soon Is Now” in an ’80s sedan
You slept inside of it because your dad
Lived in a campground in the back of a van
You said that song will creep you out until you’re dead

And you must have been looking for me
Sending smoke signals
Pelicans circling
Burning trash out on the beach

I want to live at the Holiday Inn
Where somebody else makes the bed
We’ll watch TV while the lights on the street
Put all the stars to death
It’s been on my mind since Bowie died
Just checking out to hide from life

And all of our problems
I’m gonna solve ‘em
With you riding shot-gun
Speeding, ‘cause fuck the cops

And you, you must have been looking for me
Sending smoke signals
Pelicans circling
Burning trash out on the beach

I buried a hatchet
It’s coming up lavender
The future’s unwritten
The past is a corridor
I’m at the exit looking back through the hall
You are anonymous
I am a concrete wall

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471 comments

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 30, 2017 • 6:10:06pm
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FormerDirtDart  Sep 30, 2017 • 6:13:22pm
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Charles Johnson  Sep 30, 2017 • 6:13:29pm
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b.d. (bill d.)  Sep 30, 2017 • 6:13:57pm

Great music choice Charles.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 30, 2017 • 6:14:43pm

re: #1 FormerDirtDart

Who the hell are “his people”? What an egomaniac. It’s a wonder he doesn’t start floating off the ground with all that hot air in his big head.

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Ace Rothstein  Sep 30, 2017 • 6:16:32pm

Takes less than 140 characters.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 30, 2017 • 6:18:23pm
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Charles Johnson  Sep 30, 2017 • 6:22:40pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 30, 2017 • 6:23:07pm

re: #2 FormerDirtDart

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Now I am scared because I am on Humira which keeps my RA in check. I wonder what will happen to all those Trumpettes when they can’t get their RX’s filled?

Oh silly me I know what they will do! They will blame Obama and Hillary!

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b.d. (bill d.)  Sep 30, 2017 • 6:23:15pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

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Trump is ruining the wingnuts chances of f*cking up this nation due to his madness. President Pence could get demolishing health care and billionaire tax cuts through.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 30, 2017 • 6:23:33pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

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One would almost think Twitter was encouraging the abusive assholes to use their platform to spread their hateful vitriol.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Sep 30, 2017 • 6:25:04pm

re: #5 Patricia Kayden

Who the hell are “his people”? What an egomaniac. It’s a wonder he doesn’t start floating off the ground with all that hot air in his big head.

Patricia, here’s a hint!

The base of the RepubliKKKlan Party!
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b.d. (bill d.)  Sep 30, 2017 • 6:29:37pm

re: #11 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

One would almost think Twitter was encouraging the abusive assholes to use their platform to spread their hateful vitriol.

Hate sells. Trump spewing hate on Twitter was the best thing ever to happen to him. Jack owes the worst people in the world for his success.

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petesh  Sep 30, 2017 • 6:31:05pm

From the dead end of the last thread:

re: #308 Charles Johnson

I’m trying to find some good new music and having a hard time. Could be my mood.

Have you heard David Crosby’s latest? Surprisingly good, IMHO.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 30, 2017 • 6:31:16pm

re: #5 Patricia Kayden

Who the hell are “his people”? What an egomaniac. It’s a wonder he doesn’t start floating off the ground with all that hot air in his big head.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 30, 2017 • 6:32:25pm

re: #13 b.d. (bill d.)

Hate sells. Trump spewing hate on Twitter was the best thing ever to happen to him. Jack owes the worst people in the world for his success.

That was pretty much my point. It’s pretty clear that one can go viral by invoking a shitstorm.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Sep 30, 2017 • 6:33:39pm

re: #16 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

That was pretty much my point. It’s pretty clear that one can go viral by invoking a shitstorm.

But you are so tactful, I like saying that stuff outright.

:)

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 30, 2017 • 6:35:07pm

re: #17 b.d. (bill d.)

But you are so tactful, I like saying that stuff outright.

:)

Me? Tactful?

[Dies laughing.]

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jaunte  Sep 30, 2017 • 6:36:28pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 30, 2017 • 6:38:18pm

Looking at the news today and like it does so often these days, my heart hurts. Trying to figure out what I can do to make a positive impact, even if it’s small.

At my race this morning, I knelt for the national anthem. Didn’t see anyone else doing so in my field of vision but didn’t look around much. I didn’t stand for it at the sportspuck game we went to later.

Related to yesterday’s OT:

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 30, 2017 • 6:39:40pm

re: #20 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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Charles Johnson  Sep 30, 2017 • 6:41:25pm

I hurt somebody’s feelings by pointing out the truth about Kurt Schlichter.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 30, 2017 • 6:43:40pm

re: #22 Charles Johnson

I hurt somebody’s feelings by pointing out the truth about Kurt Schlichter.

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I think somebody needs a safe space./////

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VegasGolfer  Sep 30, 2017 • 6:44:20pm

re: #19 jaunte

Fuck that guy. His retort to everybody is they are irrelevant because he has a “radio show”.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 30, 2017 • 6:44:59pm

re: #21 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Sep 30, 2017 • 6:45:28pm

re: #22 Charles Johnson

I hurt somebody’s feelings by pointing out the truth about Kurt Schlichter.

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Hopefully I am seeing the slow death of this whole “both sides” bs.

It is becoming more ridiculously indefensible every damn day.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 30, 2017 • 6:56:26pm
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jaunte  Sep 30, 2017 • 6:57:02pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 30, 2017 • 6:57:32pm

THREAD. This is what POS45 called “Fake News”

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jaunte  Sep 30, 2017 • 6:58:54pm

“The average annual GDP growth of our economy over the last 8 years was only 1.2% per year.”
seeitmarket.com

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Ace Rothstein  Sep 30, 2017 • 7:03:19pm

re: #19 jaunte

Poor little snowflake blocked me for this.

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jaunte  Sep 30, 2017 • 7:04:02pm

re: #31 Ace Rothstein

Ooh, I guess he’s a little sensitive still.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Sep 30, 2017 • 7:06:05pm

or at all…

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jaunte  Sep 30, 2017 • 7:07:36pm

CDC disputes reports of cholera in Puerto Rico.
Army says 55% of the people there have no drinking water.

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jaunte  Sep 30, 2017 • 7:08:23pm

What does it actually mean to say you don’t “anticipate” a disease to occur?

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Stanley Sea  Sep 30, 2017 • 7:09:24pm
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Ace Rothstein  Sep 30, 2017 • 7:10:18pm

re: #35 jaunte

What does it actually mean to say you don’t “anticipate” a disease to occur?

They flipped a coin?

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jaunte  Sep 30, 2017 • 7:10:37pm

Oh look, people without drinking water got sick. “We never expected that!”

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b.d. (bill d.)  Sep 30, 2017 • 7:11:06pm

Geeee, I wonder why?

I imagine they are crestfallen. Maybe they can get a reinvite in a couple of years?

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jaunte  Sep 30, 2017 • 7:11:27pm

Why didn’t they hike to San Juan for a bottle of water?

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 30, 2017 • 7:12:14pm
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Ace Rothstein  Sep 30, 2017 • 7:12:40pm

Awesome typo.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Sep 30, 2017 • 7:13:19pm

Donnie, at this point air drop Trump Water to the people in PR and charge the US Gvt. full price for it.

Do something!

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jaunte  Sep 30, 2017 • 7:16:43pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 30, 2017 • 7:20:14pm

What an eternal fuckpuddle of sociopathy

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Charles Johnson  Sep 30, 2017 • 7:20:41pm
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jaunte  Sep 30, 2017 • 7:21:03pm
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Stanley Sea  Sep 30, 2017 • 7:21:54pm

re: #36 Stanley Sea

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Must read.

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jaunte  Sep 30, 2017 • 7:22:18pm
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Targetpractice  Sep 30, 2017 • 7:24:25pm

re: #28 jaunte

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And I could totally pay off all my bills by January…provided I won the lottery.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 30, 2017 • 7:24:44pm
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Ace Rothstein  Sep 30, 2017 • 7:24:59pm

re: #49 jaunte

How can he tell? You can’t see anyone in the stands.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 30, 2017 • 7:25:34pm
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jaunte  Sep 30, 2017 • 7:27:02pm

re: #52 Ace Rothstein

They could be scratching, who can tell.

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teleskiguy  Sep 30, 2017 • 7:27:15pm
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FormerDirtDart  Sep 30, 2017 • 7:27:46pm
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Ace Rothstein  Sep 30, 2017 • 7:28:37pm

re: #46 Charles Johnson

Funny thing? No one knows when that video was shot. It shows the Blackhawks and the Blues but the Blackhawks DID NOT play the Blues tonight, and the Blues did not play at all tonight.

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Weaselone  Sep 30, 2017 • 7:28:58pm

re: #34 jaunte

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CDC disputes reports of cholera in Puerto Rico.
Army says 55% of the people there have no drinking water.

There wasn’t any cholera in Puerto Rico prior to the Hurricane. Basically, the CDC is saying that they don’t anticipate any cholera cases because despite the conditions being ripe for spreading the disease, there isn’t any cholera to be spread.

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PhillyPretzel  Sep 30, 2017 • 7:29:57pm

re: #53 Stanley Sea

Someone posted the twitter response earlier today. It is good to see that the newspapers are picking it up.

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teleskiguy  Sep 30, 2017 • 7:32:46pm

Taking bets on whether Fuckface Von Clownstick says “Happy Birthday NASA” on Twitter during one of his shits tomorrow.

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sagehen  Sep 30, 2017 • 7:32:57pm

re: #14 petesh

From the dead end of the last thread:

re: #308 Charles Johnson

Have you heard David Crosby’s latest? Surprisingly good, IMHO.

Prophets of Rage.

Prophets of Rage - Living On The 110 (Music Video)

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Stanley Sea  Sep 30, 2017 • 7:33:18pm

re: #57 Ace Rothstein

Funny thing? No one knows when that video was from. It shows the Blackhawks and the Blues but the Blackhawks DID NOT play the Blues tonight, and the Blues did not play at all tonight.

Is it an old game? get to the bottom of this.

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A dark and stormy covfefe  Sep 30, 2017 • 7:34:09pm

re: #62 Stanley Sea

It definitely is from at least last regular season, as there were no Chicago at St. Louis pre-season games and they didn’t meet in last year’s playoffs.

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Sep 30, 2017 • 7:35:13pm

re: #57 Ace Rothstein

Waiting for Trump to demand that concessions stands and restrooms close for the anthem.

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Ace Rothstein  Sep 30, 2017 • 7:36:23pm

re: #62 Stanley Sea

Is it an old game? get to the bottom of this.

Yes. The Blackhawks played the Bruins, and the Blues did not play tonight.

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Ace Rothstein  Sep 30, 2017 • 7:36:57pm

re: #63 A dark and stormy covfefe

It definitely is from at least last regular season, as there were no Chicago at St. Louis pre-season games and they didn’t meet in last year’s playoffs.

I just checked that. I forgot that Chicago lost in the first round.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Sep 30, 2017 • 7:37:16pm

re: #64 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

Waiting for Trump to demand that concessions stands and restrooms close for the anthem.

Nah….waiting for Trump to demand that the NFL play a pre-recorded speech from him before NFL games….and that the crowd stand for that too.

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Sep 30, 2017 • 7:37:24pm

You can bet your ass Trump doesn’t want to know what was going on at Wing Bowl when they played the anthem.

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jaunte  Sep 30, 2017 • 7:38:00pm

SQUANDERED

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b.d. (bill d.)  Sep 30, 2017 • 7:38:13pm

re: #64 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

Waiting for Trump to demand that concessions stands and restrooms close for the anthem.

Concessions already stop for the anthem.

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Sep 30, 2017 • 7:39:20pm

re: #70 b.d. (bill d.)

I never noticed.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Sep 30, 2017 • 7:41:47pm

re: #71 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

I never noticed.

I’ve been at the beer counter and have them stop everything while it played.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 30, 2017 • 7:42:59pm

re: #57 Ace Rothstein

Funny thing? No one knows when that video was shot. It shows the Blackhawks and the Blues but the Blackhawks DID NOT play the Blues tonight, and the Blues did not play at all tonight.

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A dark and stormy covfefe  Sep 30, 2017 • 7:44:30pm

re: #66 Ace Rothstein

Based on a couple of players (Robby Fabbri, Dennis Rasmussen), this will have to be from the last two seasons. Chicago and St. Louis did meet in the 2016 playoffs, and given the NBC watermark on there, my hunch is that it is from there.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 30, 2017 • 7:45:38pm
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mmmirele  Sep 30, 2017 • 7:45:45pm

Here’s a good story about Carmen Yulin Cruz, the mayor of San Juan that Trump dissed today. It points out she’s been working hard—and that mainland (D) and (R) politics don’t map over real well to Puerto Rico.

washingtonpost.com

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b.d. (bill d.)  Sep 30, 2017 • 7:46:16pm

re: #73 Charles Johnson

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I wonder where Hair Furor got that video? I’d hate to think that the most powerful man on the planet was searching through old YouTube videos for one that fit his purpose?

What a fraud.

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jaunte  Sep 30, 2017 • 7:46:33pm

Trump couldn’t tell you how many Americans are on the ice.

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A dark and stormy covfefe  Sep 30, 2017 • 7:46:33pm

Blues fans sing national anthem 11/9/16

11-19-16. Typical me. I overanalyzed the thing by checking the players, the starting goaltenders, etc. when all I had to do was google ‘Hawks Blues anthem’.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Sep 30, 2017 • 7:53:11pm

F*cking Hockey, only the ice, bull riding and NASCAR are whiter.

btw…..only 23.9% of NHL players are Americans Donald.

sports.yahoo.com

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Woods Witch  Sep 30, 2017 • 7:53:13pm

re: #79 A dark and stormy covfefe

Color me surprised. ////

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teleskiguy  Sep 30, 2017 • 7:53:35pm
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TedStriker  Sep 30, 2017 • 7:56:16pm

re: #66 Ace Rothstein

I just checked that. I forgot that Chicago lost in the first round.

Yes, to my Preds.

Teeheehee…

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Skip Intro  Sep 30, 2017 • 7:57:02pm

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teleskiguy  Sep 30, 2017 • 7:57:14pm

Blind squirrel, broken clock.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 30, 2017 • 7:58:38pm

re: #85 teleskiguy

Blind squirrel, broken clock.

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Well, that’s interesting & very bad for the yam.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Sep 30, 2017 • 8:01:30pm

re: #85 teleskiguy

Blind squirrel, broken clock.

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He tried to stick up for Trump a bit but it was weak tea and he knew it.

The man is horrible human piece of garbage SOB but good for him for being there.

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Ace-o-aces  Sep 30, 2017 • 8:03:08pm
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Patricia Kayden  Sep 30, 2017 • 8:03:37pm

re: #10 b.d. (bill d.)

Trump is ruining the wingnuts chances of f*cking up this nation due to his madness. President Pence could get demolishing health care and billionaire tax cuts through.

Thank goodness for Trump’s incompetence then.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Sep 30, 2017 • 8:03:46pm

Holy f*ck, schooling from daddy.

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teleskiguy  Sep 30, 2017 • 8:04:52pm

That potential active shooter situation at the Air Force Academy last night? Yeah, big false alarm.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 30, 2017 • 8:06:04pm
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Targetpractice  Sep 30, 2017 • 8:10:53pm

re: #92 FormerDirtDart

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I suppose this is the governor that Trump was boasting about earlier.

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wheat-dogg  Sep 30, 2017 • 8:14:28pm

re: #93 Targetpractice

I suppose this is the governor that Trump was boasting about earlier.

Yeah, the former governor, who left office in 2013. According to Wikipedia, he lives in Washington, DC, now.

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ipsos  Sep 30, 2017 • 8:16:02pm

I think we’ve all dispensed with the fiction that Ivanka and Jared somehow keep the yam’s worst tendencies in check.

Still, as I recuperate from my own Yom Kippur fast and get cringingly caught up on what I missed here while I was blessedly off line for a day, I am struck by how particularly batshit his tweets were today, when Jared and Ivanka were presumably in synagogue and hearing (if perhaps not absorbing) the dramatically different messages the holiday is supposed to convey.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 30, 2017 • 8:17:39pm
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petesh  Sep 30, 2017 • 8:18:34pm

re: #96 FormerDirtDart

He’s getting desperate, ahead of the Sunday morning shows

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Stanley Sea  Sep 30, 2017 • 8:18:37pm

I think SNL is live across the US tonight, so 830 west coast…?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 30, 2017 • 8:20:32pm

I should also point out the game Trump tweeted took place TWO DAYS before Veterans Day…hence the patriotic display.

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JordanRules  Sep 30, 2017 • 8:21:40pm

re: #98 Stanley Sea

It is! And thank you because I would have missed it.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Sep 30, 2017 • 8:32:09pm

Sellout cuck!

I thought Tillerson said we were done talking?

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Kilroy was here  Sep 30, 2017 • 8:36:22pm

re: #101 b.d. (bill d.)

Sellout cuck!

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I thought Tillerson said we were done talking?

Maybe they found oil?

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Stanley Sea  Sep 30, 2017 • 8:36:26pm

Kate McKinnon as Jeff Sessions pretty funny.

Kinda lame opening…..they had to write it today.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 30, 2017 • 8:36:44pm

Was NBC suggesting something before they deleted this tweet?

Corrected tweet

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Ace Rothstein  Sep 30, 2017 • 8:37:02pm

Like clockwork.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 30, 2017 • 8:37:44pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 30, 2017 • 8:38:03pm

re: #103 Stanley Sea

Kate McKinnon as Jeff Sessions pretty funny.

Kinda lame opening…..they had to write it today.

Very lame.

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majii  Sep 30, 2017 • 8:40:15pm

Someone has told Trump that the underside of both of his shoes are covered with sh*t after his unhinged tweets earlier today were not well received. He’s now trying to remove it any way he can even if he has to use Fortuno to do it. He’s trying to do a “Clean Up on Aisle 1600” and failing miserably. His own d*mn mouth got him into this trouble, and at this point, no amount of disinfectant will remove the stench of failure and incompetence in regard to aiding hurricane recovery in Puerto Rico that surrounds him. He can keep lying, trying to distract, and changing the narrative, but I think most of the world sees a yuuuge “L” on his forehead.

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garzooma  Sep 30, 2017 • 8:40:29pm

re: #85 teleskiguy

Blind squirrel, broken clock.

[Embedded content]
“If this was Texas there’d be 55,000 soldiers in PR… the execution has been horrifying.” - Curt Schilling, on Fox

Lots of MLB players from PR. Curt must have run across a few.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 30, 2017 • 8:41:21pm

re: #104 FormerDirtDart

Was NBC suggesting something before they deleted this tweet?

OK, looks like they were just multi-tasking a tad much

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b.d. (bill d.)  Sep 30, 2017 • 8:41:35pm

re: #109 garzooma

Lots of MLB players from PR. Curt must have run across a few.

Judging by his history, he probably owes money to a few of them too.

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Ace Rothstein  Sep 30, 2017 • 8:41:48pm

re: #109 garzooma

Lots of MLB players from PR. Curt must have run across a few.

Carlos Correa of the Astros.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 30, 2017 • 8:42:25pm

I’m so tired of hereditary Republicans trying to pretend all is well. A college friend on FB posted something from one of those pages that pull their SUPER PATRIOTIC!!!! name out of the SUPERPATRIOTIC!!!! name generator.

Thing is, he’s not really SUPER PATRIOT!!!! material. He’s described himself as an Eisenhower Republican, but can’t bring himself to buck the party, even as it stands. And he tries to paint the Washington Post as the doppelganger of Fox News, because it’s ‘shril in its criticism of the Administration.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 30, 2017 • 8:44:11pm

re: #83 TedStriker

Yes, to my Preds.

Teeheehee…

What a thing of beauty it was too.

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JordanRules  Sep 30, 2017 • 8:45:04pm

re: #103 Stanley Sea

Yup. Like a ‘copy, paste’ job of a skit from 6 months ago with some ‘find, insert’ updates for current points of reference .

I do agree that Kate as Bilbo Bigot was kinda funny again.

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garzooma  Sep 30, 2017 • 8:45:22pm

re: #85 teleskiguy

Blind squirrel, broken clock.

[Embedded content]

Just saw a more complete quote:
Curt Schilling in Puerto Rico: Trump Provided Speedy Relief, But Execution on the Ground ‘Horrifying’

“All have said that the president did everything in a pace that they’ve never seen before as far as him releasing money and releasing assets into these theaters,” Schilling said. “The execution on the ground has been horrifying in some cases.”

Well, at least he isn’t playing golf.

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JordanRules  Sep 30, 2017 • 8:49:18pm

re: #116 garzooma

Ahhh. On the ground execution issues sets the stage for continued local blame.
Curt continues to be a POS.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 30, 2017 • 8:49:33pm

re: #108 majii

Someone has told Trump that the underside of both of his shoes are covered with sh*t after his unhinged tweets earlier today were not well received. He’s now trying to remove it any way he can even if he has to use Fortuno to do it. He’s trying to do a “Clean Up on Aisle 1600” and failing miserably. His own d*mn mouth got him into this trouble, and at this point, no amount of disinfectant will remove the stench of failure and incompetence in regard to aiding hurricane recovery in Puerto Rico that surrounds him. He can keep lying, trying to distract, and changing the narrative, but I think most of the world sees a yuuuge “L” on his forehead.

Most of the world understands that. But most of the world does not vote in American. His supporters still worship him, excuse any failure, and blame others for problems.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 30, 2017 • 8:50:27pm

Must think they’re Bond in The Spy Who Loves Me

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Ace Rothstein  Sep 30, 2017 • 8:51:59pm
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retired cynic  Sep 30, 2017 • 8:53:01pm

re: #120 Ace Rothstein

Is his heart down there?

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ipsos  Sep 30, 2017 • 8:54:06pm

8 more minutes until ACA is safe from a 50-vote reconciliation repeal. And somehow I still don’t trust McTurtleFace until I see the clock strike October.

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Ace Rothstein  Sep 30, 2017 • 8:54:10pm

re: #121 retired cynic

Is his heart down there?

He doesn’t have one.

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Ace Rothstein  Sep 30, 2017 • 8:54:29pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 30, 2017 • 8:56:25pm

re: #120 Ace Rothstein

Arrogant hypocritical orange asshole.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 30, 2017 • 9:00:33pm

This is either stunning genius, or utter madness…

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JordanRules  Sep 30, 2017 • 9:02:16pm

!!Nueva York!!

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garzooma  Sep 30, 2017 • 9:02:44pm

re: #117 JordanRules

Ahhh. On the ground execution issues sets the stage for continued local blame.
Curt continues to be a POS.

Just looked at the video. He does say the part about “If this was Texas there’d be 55,000 soldiers here”, and right before saying “the president did everything in a pace that they’ve never seen before as far as him releasing money and releasing assets.” If that were the case, why aren’t there the 55,000 soldiers?

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majii  Sep 30, 2017 • 9:04:33pm

re: #120 Ace Rothstein

I donated to Puerto Rican recovery efforts last night via The Hurricane Maria Recovery Fund, gladly, but I must admit that if Trump and I were traveling together through a desert and he needed some of the water I had in my canteen, I’d give him some of it—-exactly one drop. Such is the level of my disgust with this man-child president.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 30, 2017 • 9:04:48pm

re: #126 FormerDirtDart

I wonder what they are powered with.

Also, seems like the weight limit on something like that would be pretty low.

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JordanRules  Sep 30, 2017 • 9:08:10pm

I see your jersey Jay!! Ayeee!!!

Mercy, Marley’s boy’s dreads are soooo long.

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teleskiguy  Sep 30, 2017 • 9:08:24pm

It was all Vic’s fault!

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 30, 2017 • 9:18:46pm

Brianna Sacks of BuzzFeed
3 day thread of United States Virgin Islands coverage
beginning

Most recent

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Stanley Sea  Sep 30, 2017 • 9:32:28pm

re: #134 FormerDirtDart

Her feed is gold.

Thanks!

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darthstar  Sep 30, 2017 • 9:37:53pm
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Ace Rothstein  Sep 30, 2017 • 9:38:18pm

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Stanley Sea  Sep 30, 2017 • 9:41:22pm

re: #137 Ace Rothstein

[Embedded content]

But the yam had color printouts!

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gwangung  Sep 30, 2017 • 9:41:45pm

re: #136 darthstar

A friend was married to one of his sons. Even after they divorced, she and Monty remained close. And that tells me a lot about him; my friend and her family are some of the most decent people on earth. If you can remain friends through the years, you have to be pretty decent yourself.

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FormerDirtDart  Sep 30, 2017 • 9:50:56pm

This is a pretty ugly article. Air Force cadets coming across as rather panicky

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Blind Frog Belly White  Sep 30, 2017 • 9:56:27pm

re: #119 FormerDirtDart

Must think they’re Bond in The Spy Who Loves Me

[Embedded content]

He was going okay, till the bow wave from that forklift hit him!

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teleskiguy  Sep 30, 2017 • 9:59:49pm
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Dave In Austin  Sep 30, 2017 • 9:59:55pm
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JordanRules  Sep 30, 2017 • 10:00:50pm
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Stanley Sea  Sep 30, 2017 • 10:18:00pm

Imagine if we had to drink from a creek.

(reading all PR stuff)

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BeachDem  Sep 30, 2017 • 10:24:03pm

re: #118 Hecuba’s daughter

Most of the world understands that. But most of the world does not vote in American. His supporters still worship him, excuse any failure, and blame others for problems.

I’m not on facebook, but my friends who live on it tell me that locally (here in south by dog carolina—YAM COUNTRY) there has been hardly any discussion about Puerto Rico at all.

My guess is that the locals think PR is some furrun place and not of concern to them.

Local paper—nothing on their main page at all—in the national news section, the same story about the yam and the San Juan Mayor shows up twice and one about him “lashing out at the media.”

Pa. the. tic.

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JordanRules  Sep 30, 2017 • 10:24:34pm

re: #145 Stanley Sea

It is a damned shame.

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teleskiguy  Sep 30, 2017 • 10:26:44pm
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Stanley Sea  Sep 30, 2017 • 10:31:32pm

re: #148 teleskiguy

[Embedded content]

He is so damaged.

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majii  Sep 30, 2017 • 10:34:02pm

re: #146 BeachDem

“Pa. the. tic.”

You are not alone. My Middle GA newspaper is reporting very little about the crisis in Puerto Rico and nothing about Trump’s Twitter attacks on the nation, its citizens, and Mayor Cruz.

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Dizzy  Sep 30, 2017 • 10:35:19pm

Last week I was at the Minna gallery in San Francisco where I photographed this. Thought some might enjoy it:

It’s a real $5 bill that’s been doctored by a very talented artist.

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teleskiguy  Sep 30, 2017 • 10:35:52pm
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Stanley Sea  Sep 30, 2017 • 10:37:27pm

re: #150 majii

“Pa. the. tic.”

You are not alone. My Middle GA newspaper is reporting very little about the crisis in Puerto Rico and nothing about Trump’s Twitter attacks on the nation, its citizens, and Mayor Cruz.

His twitter rant today really showed people who normally are for him what a fucked up mental case he is.

It was clear as ice.

They know it & are hiding it.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 30, 2017 • 10:40:25pm

Mini good thread

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teleskiguy  Sep 30, 2017 • 10:41:15pm

Seriously, it’s good in that twisted South Park kind of way. You’re gut-laughing and then you’re all like

Giphy

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Stanley Sea  Sep 30, 2017 • 10:42:04pm

Beach - how was your event?

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teleskiguy  Sep 30, 2017 • 10:43:45pm
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Belafon  Sep 30, 2017 • 10:57:06pm

Me on the book of faces:

Facebook Post

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Stanley Sea  Sep 30, 2017 • 11:01:36pm

re: #158 Belafon

Excellent.

Bravo.

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Stanley Sea  Sep 30, 2017 • 11:01:48pm

Nighty all.

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JordanRules  Sep 30, 2017 • 11:04:03pm

re: #158 Belafon

Very well done Belafon.

I hope some people who may have reflexively dismissed this issue or worse can read, reflect and relate.

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CleverToad  Sep 30, 2017 • 11:08:05pm

re: #158 Belafon

Need the double-plus major upding button.
Bravo.

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Belafon  Sep 30, 2017 • 11:08:40pm

re: #158 Belafon

I could have posted that here, but my parents are my target audience. Hopefully others will see it as well.

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teleskiguy  Sep 30, 2017 • 11:10:49pm

re: #163 Belafon

I could have posted that here, but my parents are my target audience. Hopefully others will see it as well.

I tweeted it to my 93% real audience.

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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 30, 2017 • 11:11:47pm

re: #145 Stanley Sea

Imagine if we had to drink from a creek.

(reading all PR stuff)

Putting on my public water system operator’s hat:

The most critical issue with a public water system is to prevent contaminants or organisms from entering the water system.

This is done by:

a) Treatment (in public water systems that require treatment)
b) Eliminating so-called “cross-connections.”

In my village, we regularly put out information to the village water customers what a cross-connection is and how to prevent inadvertently creating them.

A cross-connection is when the public water system is accidentally or purposefully connected to an unclean source of water. Normally, water pressure in a water system will prevent backflow (suction) from drawing the contaminated water into the system, but a drop of pressure (or unequal pressure) can cause that.

Even without a disaster people often don’t think of cross-connections (like leaving a garden hose in a bucket of water).

In a disaster such as that facing the Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico, Texas, and Florida, plumbing for both water systems and sewage systems were smashed. In addition, loss of electricity to run water pumps coupled with loss of pressure caused by water main breaks exponentially increases the chances of contaminated water being drawn into the water system.

Even in cities where water pressure is good and the electricity still works, water main breaks caused by the hurricanes can contaminate the system. The city can have full water towers, but if they are contaminated they are effectively useless.

Contamination of a water system is incredibly easy to accomplish (we still haven’t gotten a clean bill-of-health on our water system after it was worked on by an iron company) and difficult to correct.

With the massive infrastructure damage in Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands, getting the necessary chemicals and equipment to water systems away from the ports is already difficult; those stored there will be used up. Without a response beyond the capabilities of those territories, the remaining undamaged and clean water systems will begin failing.

/hatoff

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teleskiguy  Sep 30, 2017 • 11:13:40pm

I steer clear of politics on my Facebook. For reasons goddamnedfrank outlined.

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BeachDem  Sep 30, 2017 • 11:19:03pm

re: #156 Stanley Sea

Beach - how was your event?

Hotter than hell! But very successful. Probably about 150-200 peeps (for anyone interested, this was our kickoff of South Carolina’s Emerge America chapter.) Enthusiastic, engaged women—many of whom are now running for office, and many young ones. National head of Emerge was there (good friend of Kamala Harris) and our newly hired Executive Director.

As I mentioned, it was at chef Nathalie Dupree’s house, but it was just too freaking hot to eat. (Others looked bandbox fresh—I looked like I stepped out of the shower and didn’t dry my hair—dripping wet.)

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teleskiguy  Sep 30, 2017 • 11:25:40pm

re: #164 teleskiguy

One of my followers with 14K followers just did screenshots.

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Amory Blaine  Sep 30, 2017 • 11:29:45pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Sep 30, 2017 • 11:34:09pm

re: #158 Belafon

Me on the book of faces:

[Embedded content]

Bravo!

How not standing during the anthem is somehow an affront to those who pledge to defend the Constitution of the United States, not a flag, is an insult to this veteran.

This one too. Damn straight.

It’s time to end this idea that symbols like the flag, and the anthem, represent this country. We definitely need to get over the notion that our troops will be affected by how many people are standing during the national anthem.

Absolutely. The country is represented by its people, all of them, not a flag or an anthem. The flag and anthem can symbolise the people, but they cannot stand in for us. We are the country, not the flag and anthem.

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fern01  Oct 1, 2017 • 12:01:48am

re: #121 retired cynic

Is his heart down there?

He hasn’t got one - that’s where he thinks it might be

Edit: so many beat me to it - great minds on LGF :)

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 1, 2017 • 12:18:14am

re: #73 Charles Johnson

Liar-in-Chief strikes again.

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austin_blue  Oct 1, 2017 • 1:42:23am

I’d just like to note that what came out of Drumpf’s i-Phone yesterday was, to be charitable, breathtakingly stupid.

From a political standpoint, it was all over the map. First he accused the people of PR as being lazy in not rebuilding their island, when they have no tools with which to work.

Then he went full gonzo on the mayor of San Juan, who was pleading for help because people in ICU units and Elder Care facilities were dead or actively dying.

The level of his tone deafness is remarkable. And unacceptable. And horrible. And frightening. And, ultimately, lethal.

You know what? Fuck him. Fuck him right up the ass.

The quicker he exits the stage, the better this country will be.

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Kragar  Oct 1, 2017 • 2:18:36am
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freetoken  Oct 1, 2017 • 2:29:26am

re: #174 Kragar

Isn’t that what Kingsmen are for?

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teleskiguy  Oct 1, 2017 • 2:36:11am

A thunderstorm is making a lot noise to the south in the form of, well, thunder. Naturally, Leo the ‘tude (my German Shepherd) is freaking the fuck out. He’s in the laundry room (no windows, interior of the house) and he won’t come out. Every time a crack of thunder goes down he yips.

Sheltered life my German Shepherd lives, I say.

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freetoken  Oct 1, 2017 • 2:40:57am

Dillahunty’s latest video tackles a particularly onerous topic:

Atheist Debates - Theological Noncognitivism and Ignosticism

I say onerous because trying to be too dismissive of religious words is itself a problem.

We humans may all tend to think in certain patterns typical of our species, but there is a great deal of variation.

That there are many, perhaps most, humans who harbor religious ideas of “god” means we have to take such concept seriously.

We can’t just pretend we can call it all gibberish and be done with it.

Instead, we need to reason through the ideas with people.

I’m reading Carrier’s Proving History, as he refers to it so much as a prolegomena to his major book on the historicity of Jesus that I figured I really had to read it before I get too much into that latter book.

Proving History is very much about writing the most rigorous history one can, thus the use of Bayes Theorem as the mechanism for reasoning in the decision in what to believe as what truly happened in the past.

So if we are to take history seriously, and know we have to respond to religious people seriously, then Theological Noncognitivism isn’t sufficient.

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teleskiguy  Oct 1, 2017 • 2:47:45am

re: #176 teleskiguy

My seven-year-old German Shepherd is being such a pain in the ass right now, it’s hard to describe. Every 45 seconds or so there’s a nice thunder crack off in the distance from the incoming weather disturbance, and he just YIPS! And there’s no way I can stop him.

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freetoken  Oct 1, 2017 • 2:49:06am

Didn’t read about this until now:

Monty Hall, Co-Creator and Host of ‘Let’s Make a Deal,’ Dies at 96

Probably the only game-show host to have a math problem named after him.

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teleskiguy  Oct 1, 2017 • 2:49:30am

re: #178 teleskiguy

I can feel myself losing my hearing.

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freetoken  Oct 1, 2017 • 2:49:40am

I’ll say the current Let’s Make a Deal is really lame.

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I cannot.  Oct 1, 2017 • 2:51:47am

re: #179 freetoken

And an entire genre of roleplaying named for him too.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 1, 2017 • 2:53:27am

O.J. Simpson is officially out of prison.

O.J. Simpson walked out of prison early Sunday after serving nine years for a Las Vegas armed robbery and kidnapping.

The former NFL star left prison shortly after midnight local time, and was picked up by a friend, according to Brooke Keast , a spokeswoman for the Nevada Department of Corrections.

“I told him, ‘don’t ‘come back,’ and he responded, ‘I don’t intend to, ‘” she said. “He was upbeat, personable and seemed happy to get on with his life.”

Simpson, 70, was freed in the middle of the night to give him privacy.

edition.cnn.com
Note - autoplay embedded at link.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 1, 2017 • 3:24:57am

re: #177 freetoken

Dillahunty’s latest video tackles a particularly onerous topic:

I say onerous because trying to be too dismissive of religious words is itself a problem.

We humans may all tend to think in certain patterns typical of our species, but there is a great deal of variation.

That there are many, perhaps most, humans who harbor religious ideas of “god” means we have to take such concept seriously.

Acutally, we can be dismissive of any concept widely held without evidence, or arguments from popularity. The world is round, the universe is not “pinholes in the firmament,” there is no aether, spontaneous generation is bunk, &c. “God” is not off the table just because people assert “God.”

We can’t just pretend we can call it all gibberish and be done with it.

Sigh, the burden of proof is on the person making the claim (in this case there is one or more gods). A great number of religious believers of all faiths cannot even define what they mean by a god, much less agree on it.

Religious beliefs in gods are largely geography-based (unlike physics, or chemistry, or mathematics, which are the same everywhere).

A common argument for one of the thousands of variants of the Christian god is that he “exists outside space and time.” Yeah, until you can define what “exists outside space and time” even means (as well as how one knows what God’s gender is) then it’s gibberish.

Instead, we need to reason through the ideas with people.

I’m reading Carrier’s Proving History, as he refers to it so much as a prolegomena to his major book on the historicity of Jesus that I figured I really had to read it before I get too much into that latter book.

Proving History is very much about writing the most rigorous history one can, thus the use of Bayes Theorem as the mechanism for reasoning in the decision in what to believe as what truly happened in the past.

So if we are to take history seriously, and know we have to respond to religious people seriously, then Theological Noncognitivism isn’t sufficient.

The fact atheists even exist (despite the best efforts of monotheistic religions to kill them throughout the ages) needs explanation if one is going to assert (some) god (of some sort of qualities) exists.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 1, 2017 • 3:44:54am

Fixed my crappy blockquoting in the comment above.

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Weaselone  Oct 1, 2017 • 4:00:47am

re: #184 Anymouse 🌹

The fact atheists even exist (despite the best efforts of monotheistic religions to kill them throughout the ages) needs explanation if one is going to assert (some) god (of some sort of qualities) exists.

Non sequitur? It’s sort of a mirror version of the fallacy that x persecuted religious group still exists, so their god must exist.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 1, 2017 • 4:08:42am

re: #186 Weaselone

Non sequitur? It’s sort of a mirror version of the fallacy that x persecuted religious group still exists, so their god must exist.

I’m pretty sure that somewhere out there in Greece, there’s some fella (or gal) who worships Zeus, Artemis, Apollo, etc. It doesn’t mean they exist, but old ways die hard and there’s always going to be those who are attracted to “the old ways”…….or find it irresistible to be an edgelord.

Hell, there’s Odinists running around. And while I’ll be the first to tell you there’s an old guy in my neighborhood with long white hair and a long white beard and an eyepatch (seriously!) I’m reasonably confident he’s not Odin. I’ve never seen any ravens chumming around with him.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 1, 2017 • 4:18:57am

re: #186 Weaselone

Non sequitur? It’s sort of a mirror version of the fallacy that x persecuted religious group still exists, so their god must exist.

Nope.

If there is some sort of god, who has an important message that he wants to impart to all people, particularly those who are in eternal peril of his own punishment he created a loophole to get out of, and is omnipotent… .

Then that god should be able to provide whatever evidence is required to convince said atheist.

Moreover, no one is born religious. Not a single person. All persons are inculcated with religious belief, usually at a very young age when they are easily manipulated.

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fern01  Oct 1, 2017 • 4:21:14am

The political media seems to be the main reason why the US “can’t have nice things any more”. This piece from the wapo editorial board should have been jettisoned to a tiny island somewhere - surrounded by water - in the big ocean.

washingtonpost.com

The Opportunity in Tom Price’s Resignation.
Mr. Trump suddenly has a new opportunity for a win on health care. He should take full advantage.

On what planet do these editors live? No-one of sane mind would work for trump and take on this job. All he will get is another jet flying RWNJ.

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freetoken  Oct 1, 2017 • 4:22:50am

re: #184 Anymouse 🌹

Sigh, the burden of proof is on the person making the claim (in this case there is one or more gods).

I think you’ve missed the point Dillahunty was trying to make, and that I reworded.

The problem Dillahunty is confronting is those out there who want to play a sort of cognitive avoidance, not actually refuting religious beliefs through reason but by claiming that reason can’t apply because the very words in our dictionary such as “god” are, in art terms, Dada-ish.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 1, 2017 • 4:32:51am

re: #190 freetoken

I think you’ve missed the point Dillahunty was trying to make, and that I reworded.

The problem Dillahunty is confronting is those out there who want to play a sort of cognitive avoidance, not actually refuting religious beliefs through reason but by claiming that reason can’t apply because the very words in our dictionary such as “god” are, in art terms, Dada-ish.

Yes, I did misinterpret the original argument.

Mr. Dillahunty’s argument is against those who claim such a term as “God” is not clearly defined, and therefore is a useless term.

On his show, he will normally ask a person “what do you believe and why do you believe it,” particularly when a person says he or she believes in a god.

His point is not to claim the term “god” is useless, but to understand what the person means by the term.

That is different than the example I gave above (lives outside space and time). “Lives outside space and time” is a useless phrase, but does not necessarily indicate a god belief (for example, you could posit aliens living outside space and time and the phrase would be just as meaningless).

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 1, 2017 • 4:54:30am

Wondering what happened to Jim Wright (Stonekettle) over at Twitter. He does not show up in searches there.

I don’t know how Twitter works, so I don’t know if that means he killed his account, or Twitter suspended him, or something else.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 1, 2017 • 4:56:37am

Well, that’s a shot out of nowhere from the Green Party:

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I cannot.  Oct 1, 2017 • 5:01:30am

re: #192 Anymouse 🌹

Weird, because his feed is still there.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 1, 2017 • 5:04:05am

re: #194 I cannot.

Weird, because his feed is still there.

I found it … perhaps I fat-fingered the keys on my computer or something.

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freetoken  Oct 1, 2017 • 5:07:20am

re: #195 Anymouse 🌹

He’s promoting (on Facebook) the Mastodon new social platform:

octodon.social

I’m wary of all these platforms.

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freetoken  Oct 1, 2017 • 5:09:23am

Build a better social platform and world is your oyster.

Or something.

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freetoken  Oct 1, 2017 • 5:09:48am

Which is an argument for creating a social platform called “Oyster”.

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freetoken  Oct 1, 2017 • 5:10:42am

But apparently people want to identify with an extinct mammal rather than a living invertabrate.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 1, 2017 • 5:11:57am

Meanwhile in Catalonia:

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 1, 2017 • 5:12:57am
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A dark and stormy covfefe  Oct 1, 2017 • 5:14:09am

re: #181 freetoken

But it did lead to this incredible moment, when Monty returned to make some deals.

Let’s Make a Deal - Wow Wednesday

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William Lewis  Oct 1, 2017 • 5:19:19am

re: #200 Anymouse 🌹

Meanwhile in Catalonia:

[Embedded content]

The lingering effects of Franco’s fascist regime. There will probably be similar scenes 50 years from now after the 2nd republic is formed.

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freetoken  Oct 1, 2017 • 5:21:12am

re: #202 A dark and stormy covfefe

Your math problem for the morning: what are the odds of the first and second picks both being Zonks?

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William Lewis  Oct 1, 2017 • 5:21:50am

meanwhile, an OT thought from another website I frequent…

Quote o’ the Day: Carly Simon

“There’s this eternal argument between the part of us that wants to be an artist and the part of us that wants to be a success. The success part often wins.”

—Carly Simon

theonlinephotographer.typepad.com

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freetoken  Oct 1, 2017 • 5:22:18am

Hint: it’s not a long shot, compared to usual lottery odds.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 1, 2017 • 5:22:51am

re: #202 A dark and stormy covfefe

Monty Hall started way back on the DuMont Network with a game show called “Bingo at Home.”

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meteor  Oct 1, 2017 • 5:32:06am

re: #193 Anymouse 🌹

Idiot.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 1, 2017 • 5:35:47am

re: #204 freetoken

Your math problem for the morning: what are the odds of the first and second picks both being Zonks?

One in fifteen times one in fourteen.

Two hundred ten to one.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 1, 2017 • 5:36:43am

So now Trump is calling critics of his handling of the Puerto Rican crisis “ingrates”.

Talk about snowflakes.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 1, 2017 • 5:37:55am

re: #210 Patricia Kayden

So now Trump is calling critics of his handling of the Puerto Rican crisis “ingrates”.

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Talk about snowflakes.

Would that be the same sort of ingrate that had both hands out for his “small business” from Hurricane Sandy funds?

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freetoken  Oct 1, 2017 • 5:40:42am

re: #209 Anymouse 🌹

One in fifteen times one in fourteen.

Two hundred ten to one.

Nope.

Two in fifteen, times one in fourteen.

Even more interesting, Monty only offered them that deal after they got the first zonk. So at the time of the deal, they had a one in fourteen chance of winning.

And Monty made it sound like some sort of long shot. Because he’s carny. Which is why he was so good at it and his followers are not (that is, they are not carny enough.)

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 1, 2017 • 5:53:34am

Things seem to be getting a bit ugly over in Spain. Hopefully, this whole kerfuffle can be resolved in a peaceful and democratic fashion. The last thing Europe needs is a Spanish Civil War 2.0 or a Catalonian hot take on Italy’s anni de piombo.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 1, 2017 • 5:55:21am

re: #211 Anymouse 🌹

Naw. Puerto Rican “ingrates” are much worse because they don’t fit into his definition of Whiteness. Brown people should be grateful for whatever crumb he throws their way while they’re dying of thirst and lack of food.

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jeffreyw  Oct 1, 2017 • 6:11:04am

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Good morning!

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freetoken  Oct 1, 2017 • 6:11:44am

It’s that time again… to order ink for my color printer.

Really, these ink cartridges are getting so expensive. I have an older Canon printer, and now the cartridges I need are rare, which means they aren’t on sale anywhere.

Of course I can get a new printer. Canon inkjets can be had for almost nothing.

But the cartridges are small , which means always buying ink, at that means Canon has me for about $100/yr just for ink costs.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 1, 2017 • 6:14:51am

re: #212 freetoken

Nope.

Two in fifteen, times one in fourteen.

Even more interesting, Monty only offered them that deal after they got the first zonk. So at the time of the deal, they had a one in fourteen chance of winning.

And Monty made it sound like some sort of long shot. Because he’s carny. Which is why he was so good at it and his followers are not (that is, they are not carny enough.)

Oops, you’re right. There were two chances of a zonk originally. That’s why I’m not a mathematician. Do I get partial credit for having the correct method, though I plugged in the wrong number? /s

One of the things Monty Hall noted in an interview after he left “Let’s Make a Deal” and folks came up with the Monty Hall Problem was that the odds weren’t exactly as though they seem in the problem. For one thing, the producers of the show allowed him to use psychological pressure on the show to try to direct outcomes, as well as giving him wide latitude to change the rules as the game went along.

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dangerman  Oct 1, 2017 • 6:19:53am

re: #215 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Here ya’ go, gang.
Custom made leader Kim Jong Un the dictator 1/10 resin bust humor figure model

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Looks like he’s finally been disarmed

(Sorry)

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 1, 2017 • 6:33:15am

So the increase to 280 characters is limited to only special twitter users?

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I cannot.  Oct 1, 2017 • 6:38:49am

re: #220 Barefoot Grin

“Special” and “worst” appear to be synonymous to Twitter Inc.

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Ace Rothstein  Oct 1, 2017 • 6:41:13am

re: #210 Patricia Kayden

So now Trump is calling critics of his handling of the Puerto Rican crisis “ingrates”.

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Talk about snowflakes.

Fucking dick.

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dangerman  Oct 1, 2017 • 6:41:18am

re: #220 Barefoot Grin

So the increase to 280 characters is limited to only special twitter users?

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I don’t tweet
But Twice the space?
280’s for sloppy lazy writers

Strunk and White would be appalled. “Be concise” indeed.

/.5s

.

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dangerman  Oct 1, 2017 • 6:47:34am

re: #188 Anymouse 🌹

Nope.

If there is some sort of god, who has an important message that he wants to impart to all people, particularly those who are in eternal peril of his own punishment he created a loophole to get out of, and is omnipotent… .

Then that god should be able to provide whatever evidence is required to convince said atheist.

Moreover, no one is born religious. Not a single person. All persons are inculcated with religious belief, usually at a very young age when they are easily manipulated.

Personally i agree with you.

Part of the destiny infallabilty argument is yes they are born religious…it’s inside them. It just needs to be brought to their conscious

One man’s brainwashing is another “revelation”

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jaunte  Oct 1, 2017 • 6:48:56am

re: #220 Barefoot Grin

So the increase to 280 characters is limited to only special twitter users?

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Special people who are too important to edit.

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I cannot.  Oct 1, 2017 • 6:50:41am

re: #225 jaunte

Or to learn how to thread tweets properly [1/283]

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jaunte  Oct 1, 2017 • 6:59:01am
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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 1, 2017 • 7:00:43am

Fox & Friends are utter shit people. This is why Trump loves them.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2017 • 7:02:23am

re: #228 The Vicious Babushka

Fox & Friends are utter shit people. This is why Trump loves them.

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They really are.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2017 • 7:04:00am

re: #210 Patricia Kayden

So now Trump is calling critics of his handling of the Puerto Rican crisis “ingrates”.

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Talk about snowflakes.

He’s such a pathetic asshole.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 1, 2017 • 7:07:12am
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jaunte  Oct 1, 2017 • 7:11:17am

When PR, not Puerto Rico, is Job One:

“White House homeland security adviser Tom Bossert sent West Wing colleagues an unusually upbeat update — leaked to Axios — that points to a rapid recovery no one on the ground is witnessing.”

“I hope to turn the corner on our public communications … I recommend that [this weekend] we use the general theme of supporting the governor and standing with the people of Puerto Rico to get them food, water, shelter and emergency medical care.”
“Monday and Tuesday we can pivot hopefully to a theme of stabilizing as we address temporary housing and sustaining the flow of commodities and basic government services, including temporary power. After that we focus on restoration of basic services throughout next week and next weekend.”
Then we start a theme of recovery planning for the bright future that lies ahead for Puerto Rico. Planned hits, tweets, tv bookings and other work will limit the need for reactionary efforts.”
The storm caused these problems, not our response to it. We have pushed about as much stuff and people through a tiny hole in as short a timeframe as possible.”

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jaunte  Oct 1, 2017 • 7:14:42am
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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 1, 2017 • 7:16:40am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2017 • 7:17:15am

You give an asshole like Trump political power and this is what happens.

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jaunte  Oct 1, 2017 • 7:18:21am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2017 • 7:18:31am

re: #234 The Vicious Babushka

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Wisconsin went from Feingold to this heartless shitface.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2017 • 7:19:13am

re: #236 jaunte

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Yeah me thinks McNaughton projected. Oh and his “art” sucks.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 1, 2017 • 7:20:56am

re: #238 HappyWarrior

Yeah me thinks McNaughton projected. Oh and his “art” sucks.

I think he has a “painting” of Trump as the Messiah.

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jaunte  Oct 1, 2017 • 7:21:39am

White House: “The storm caused these problems, not our response to it.”

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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2017 • 7:21:44am

re: #239 The Vicious Babushka

I think he has a “painting” of Trump as the Messiah.

I think you’re right. And they claim we worshipped Obama.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2017 • 7:22:55am

re: #240 jaunte

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White House: “The storm caused these problems, not our response to it.”

Worse than Katrina. I was afraid that something like this would really expose why Trump shouldn’t be President.

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jaunte  Oct 1, 2017 • 7:23:39am

re: #242 HappyWarrior

It was inevitable. We knew a crisis was coming, and he would fail.

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I cannot.  Oct 1, 2017 • 7:24:03am

re: #239 The Vicious Babushka

Congratulations, VB! My existential terror is now at 1.9 Cthulhu and rising!

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dangerman  Oct 1, 2017 • 7:24:09am

re: #232 jaunte

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When PR, not Puerto Rico, is Job One:

“White House homeland security adviser Tom Bossert sent West Wing colleagues an unusually upbeat update — leaked to Axios — that points to a rapid recovery no one on the ground is witnessing.”

Despicable THEY

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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2017 • 7:26:01am

re: #243 jaunte

It was inevitable. We knew a crisis was coming, and he would fail.

Yep., Just tragic.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 1, 2017 • 7:28:19am

re: #234 The Vicious Babushka

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Bringing back feudalism - the GOP’s real agenda.

OK, you’ve had your little break…..now back to work, serf!

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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2017 • 7:31:01am

re: #247 Dr Lizardo

Bringing back feudalism - the GOP’s real agenda.

OK, you’ve had your little break…..now back to work, serf!

Lord Trump is the best baron we’ve ever had!

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 1, 2017 • 7:33:32am
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Dr Lizardo  Oct 1, 2017 • 7:36:26am

re: #248 HappyWarrior

Lord Trump is the best baron we’ve ever had!

God Bless Donald of Orange!!

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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2017 • 7:38:05am

re: #250 Dr Lizardo

God Bless Donald of Orange!!

Our lord and protector.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 1, 2017 • 7:39:05am

re: #249 The Vicious Babushka

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“They have to sell their beloved chifforobe to a family that might just bust it up.”

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jaunte  Oct 1, 2017 • 7:43:00am
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Jay C  Oct 1, 2017 • 7:45:29am

re: #232 jaunte

“The storm caused these problems, not our response to it.”

F’ing dolt: nobody (with a few exceptional idiots on the Internet) cares about the “cause” (that’s obvious) : it’s the Government’s response that’s the whole issue.

“We have pushed about as much stuff and people through a tiny hole in as short a timeframe as possible.”

O RLY? That’s a doubtful proposition right there: and the crux of the whole flap over the PR hurricane response - just typical of the Trump WH that spinning perceptions and savaging critics seems to be their #1 priority.

And btw, wasn’t Tom Bossert supposed to be the Admin’s cybersecurity guy? Why is he suddenly their PR spin doctor?

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jaunte  Oct 1, 2017 • 7:47:05am

re: #254 Jay C

Like all the Trump appointees, protecting Trump’s image is his real job.

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wheat-dogg  Oct 1, 2017 • 7:47:17am

re: #93 Targetpractice

I suppose this is the governor that Trump was boasting about earlier.

Yeah, the former governor, who left office in 2013. According to Wikipedia, he lives in Washington, DC, now.re: #217 freetoken

It’s that time again… to order ink for my color printer.

Really, these ink cartridges are getting so expensive. I have an older Canon printer, and now the cartridges I need are rare, which means they aren’t on sale anywhere.

Of course I can get a new printer. Canon inkjets can be had for almost nothing.

But the cartridges are small , which means always buying ink, at that means Canon has me for about $100/yr just for ink costs.

A feature, not a bug. Most inkjet printers are loss leaders — they’re priced at or below cost, because the manufacturer knows it can recoup the loss many times over with the marked-up cartridges over the printer’s service life.

It’s a racket.

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jaunte  Oct 1, 2017 • 7:48:23am
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wheat-dogg  Oct 1, 2017 • 7:51:07am

re: #249 The Vicious Babushka

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Yeah, Louie. Regular folks can pick up some great shit at estate sales at bargain prices!

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 1, 2017 • 7:53:13am

re: #249 The Vicious Babushka

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“The federal estate tax is a tax on property (cash, real estate, stock, or other assets) transferred from deceased persons to their heirs. Only the wealthiest estates pay the tax because it is levied only on the portion of an estate’s value that exceeds a specified exemption level — $5.49 million per person (effectively $10.98 million per married couple) in 2017.”

cbpp.org

Gohmert is lying for Jesus again since the middle class isn’t impacted at all by the estate tax.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 1, 2017 • 7:56:41am

re: #253 jaunte

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Not normal. Never normalize this incompetent bigot.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 1, 2017 • 7:56:48am

re: #257 jaunte

Does Trump’s staff lie to him or does he just make stuff up out of thin air? This is a very dangerous government.

I think it’s a combination of both, actually. I hate to go all Godwin here, but if we look at the last days of the Third Reich, Hitler’s biggest problem - aside from, you know, being Hitler - was that the cringing lickspittles and toadies around him were scared shitless of telling him the reality of Germany’s military situation……a precarious reality, to put it mildly.

And because he was getting bad input, this allowed Hitler to dream up nonsense like SS General Felix Steiner’s “counterattack” which would certainly repel the encroaching Red Army.

Garbage in, garbage out.

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jaunte  Oct 1, 2017 • 7:57:21am

re: #259 Patricia Kayden

Think of the poor heirs struggling to get by on just $10.98 million.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 1, 2017 • 7:59:36am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 1, 2017 • 8:02:12am
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Jenner7  Oct 1, 2017 • 8:05:00am

This is how I feel every. day.

It’s sad, but I wake up every morning thinking, “What crazy thing did Trump tweet this morning…” and every day he trumps the day before.

I’m so tired….

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Jenner7  Oct 1, 2017 • 8:06:15am

re: #264 Joe Bacon 🌹

She’s supposed to personally deliver all those crates of food, you ingrate. ;)

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dangerman  Oct 1, 2017 • 8:08:38am

re: #264 Joe Bacon 🌹

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Trucks
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Drivers
Clear roads

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jaunte  Oct 1, 2017 • 8:14:22am

“We’ve been here for a week,” said one of the reservists, who had come from a nearby town. “There is no communication, nothing. We just came here.”

[Sgt.] Navedo said his small team of diehard reservists, the 390th transportation battalion, will unload supplies from FEMA, the Air Force, and Marines, and ferry them to the hardest hit areas. But that won’t happen until each of them get to the station and set up their own logistical bases.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 1, 2017 • 8:14:33am
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Jenner7  Oct 1, 2017 • 8:14:36am

Because there’s nothing else going on, I guess.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 1, 2017 • 8:15:59am

re: #270 Jenner7

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Because there’s nothing else going on, I guess.

Yep, absofuckinlutely nothing whatsoever going on anywhere else!!

*headdesk*

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jaunte  Oct 1, 2017 • 8:16:55am
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I cannot.  Oct 1, 2017 • 8:19:07am

re: #271 Dr Lizardo

On the plus side, my heart rate is so high from the perpetual rage…I never have to do cardio!

///…maybe

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 1, 2017 • 8:20:59am

re: #242 HappyWarrior

Worse than Katrina. I was afraid that something like this would really expose why Trump shouldn’t be President.

You really think his followers actually care about this? They are busy telling us we are getting fake news from MSM and we really need to read other sources. I have always been critical of MSM: they are often wrong and biased (think Judith Miller) and definitely misogynistic (their appalling treatment of Hillary); but they tend to be better than anything else out there. The best will admit mistakes, publish corrections, rethink their positions. Unfortunately the parallel RW publications make no such effort; they all would do Goebbels proud. And that’s were the Trumpsters get all their information. The only time they may (and that’s not a guarantee) change their mind is if something happens to someone they care about; occasionally then they may rethink their position.

I was surprised by Eric Erickson’s column today; it was very thoughtful and moving. Perhaps he is someone who could change his mind. nytimes.com

Certainly Jennifer Rubin(to a great extent) and William Kristol(to a lesser extent) are fighting the good fight.

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Unshaken Defiance  Oct 1, 2017 • 8:22:33am

re: #242 HappyWarrior

re: #274 Hecuba’s daughter

Let’s keep this right up front and well lit.
His followers approve of the lack of aid, empathy and especially the money for PR.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2017 • 8:24:46am

re: #274 Hecuba’s daughter

You really think his followers actually care about this? They are busy telling us we are getting fake news from MSM and we really need to read other sources. I have always been critical of MSM: they are often wrong and biased (think Judith Miller) and definitely misogynistic (their appalling treatment of Hillary); but they tend to be better than anything else out there. The best will admit mistakes, publish corrections, rethink their positions. Unfortunately the parallel RW publications make no such effort; they all would do Goebbels proud. And that’s were the Trumpsters get all their information. The only time they may (and that’s not a guarantee) change their mind is if something happens to someone they care about; occasionally then they may rethink their position.

I was surprised by Eric Erickson’s column today; it was very thoughtful and moving. Perhaps he is someone who could change his mind. nytimes.com

Certainly Jennifer Rubin(to a great extent) and William Kristol(to a lesser extent) are fighting the good fight.

No, not his supporters. They’re hopeless but I’m talking about the exposure of Trump as not only a poor leader but one whose poor leadership costs lives.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 1, 2017 • 8:25:51am

re: #274 Hecuba’s daughter

You really think his followers actually care about this?

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 1, 2017 • 8:30:58am

Well, this is interesting, from Juanita Jean:

Republican Jason Reese is running for a state house seat in Oklahoma, so I’m thinking maybe he wanted to fit in. He’s formerly a lawyer for the Oklahoma Republican Party.

His campaign expenditure report includes a purchase of a porn video. Yep, just your standard bondage video entitled “Hot Wife Chloe Needs To Be Punished.” And, Honey, Chloe ain’t the only one.

(Includes picture of the report. The candidate’s claim is that his CPA accidentally pasted that into the report, and there are apparently Republican voters who believe that.)

juanitajean.com (maybe NSFW, depending on where you work)

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 1, 2017 • 8:35:03am

re: #275 Unshaken Defiance

Let’s keep this right up front and well lit.
His followers approve of the lack of aid, empathy and especially the money for PR.

My RWNJ friend takes a somewhat different tack: he links to a site claiming that the Trump administration is doing everything possible but the Puerto Ricans are not pulling their weight. Typical RW: Blame the failure on someone else.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 1, 2017 • 8:36:36am

Richard Dean Anderson now looks like a caricature of himself. Time is cruel.

25 Minutes with Richard Dean Anderson

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 1, 2017 • 8:36:52am
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Unshaken Defiance  Oct 1, 2017 • 8:37:01am

re: #276 HappyWarrior

The way to do that is illustrate the malevolence in that personality and thinking process. Beyond “poor” leadership. The appointments of men hostile to the agency they were hired to head up. The veritable whitewashing of all things WH and admin. Etc., etc.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 1, 2017 • 8:38:43am

re: #278 Anymouse 🌹

100 years ago, Howard Zinn pointed out that the state with the largest and most effective Socialist Party was…Oklahoma

But add in 100 years of indoctrination from right wing churches and…POOF

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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2017 • 8:39:15am

Went to a Nationals-Pirates game last night in D.C. I have a Roberto Clemente shirt but because I already have a Pirates hat, I gave the shirt to my Dad to wear and he spent the evening telling people about Clemente and how Clemente was a Puerto Rican, Puerto Ricans being American citizens, and how Clemente actually died in a plane crash enroute to Nicaragua to help people after an earthquake. That’s my Dad. I’m so proud and happy that he’s not fallen for wingnut bullshit. Not surprised but doesn’t make me any less proud.

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Unshaken Defiance  Oct 1, 2017 • 8:39:21am

re: #281 The Vicious Babushka

VB, I see an old problem coming back. Watch the admin reaction to where those evacuees/ American refugees are landed and placed.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 1, 2017 • 8:41:08am

re: #285 Unshaken Defiance

VB, I see an old problem coming back. Watch the admin reaction to where those evacuees/ American refugees are landed and placed.

Which is why RepubliKKKlans will double down on Gerrymandering, National Voter ID laws and requiring states to use KKKris KKKobaKKK’s KKKroscheKKK to keep them from voting.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 1, 2017 • 8:41:45am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2017 • 8:42:48am

re: #283 Joe Bacon 🌹

100 years ago, Howard Zinn pointed out that the state with the largest and most effective Socialist Party was…Oklahoma

But add in 100 years of indoctrination from right wing churches and…POOF

Socialism and the promises of it had a lot of appeal until right wingers let people in states like that know “You know “those people” would be sharing those benefits” and all a sudden they became “rugged individualists” who didn’t need “big government.” SP-USA also did well in states like Montana and Idaho. Two states that between them have only gone for a Democratic candidate once in my lifetime. And I think this is what Sanders and other socialists don’t get. Race certainly plays a role when discussing economics.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 1, 2017 • 8:42:49am

re: #257 jaunte

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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2017 • 8:43:47am

re: #287 Anymouse 🌹

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Fox wants to do anything possible to distract its viewership from what an abysmal failure of leadership we’re witnessing and instead get their viewers mad at Satanists and librarians.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 1, 2017 • 8:47:25am

re: #280 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Richard Dean Anderson now looks like a caricature of himself. Time is cruel.

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Until he started talking, I didn’t even recognize him. Wow.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 1, 2017 • 8:47:27am
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Dr Lizardo  Oct 1, 2017 • 8:48:45am

re: #287 Anymouse 🌹

Just gotta point out that Satanists are always such spiffy dressers.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 1, 2017 • 8:52:33am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 1, 2017 • 8:53:25am
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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 1, 2017 • 8:53:39am

re: #290 HappyWarrior

Fox wants to do anything possible to distract its viewership from what an abysmal failure of leadership we’re witnessing and instead get their viewers mad at Satanists and librarians.

John McCain’s campaign manager:

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 1, 2017 • 8:56:35am

re: #296 Anymouse 🌹

John McCain’s campaign manager:

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jaunte  Oct 1, 2017 • 8:58:32am

re: #294 Joe Bacon 🌹

Trump’s heart is right where years of minimal exercise, carbonized beef and chocolate cake have put it.

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JordanRules  Oct 1, 2017 • 8:59:35am

Oh y’all, look at this. Just disrespectful to so much history.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 1, 2017 • 8:59:58am

re: #298 jaunte

Trump’s heart is right where years of minimal exercise, carbonized beef and chocolate cake have put it.

Don’t forget his lust for pizza, KFC and Two Scoops of French Vanilla ice cream on the chocolate cake!

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jaunte  Oct 1, 2017 • 9:00:54am

re: #299 JordanRules

Trump’s historical myopia is contagious.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 1, 2017 • 9:01:05am

re: #299 JordanRules

Oh y’all, look at this. Just disrespectful to so much history.

If FOX spins its wheels any harder to defend the indefensible, they’ll need a tow truck to get out of the hole.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 1, 2017 • 9:01:36am

re: #295 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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Those who live like Ayn Rand wind up the same way as Ayn AS IN MINE did…“mooching” off the government with Medicare and Social Security covering her cancer surgery expenses…

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Unshaken Defiance  Oct 1, 2017 • 9:02:28am

While the Sunday talking heads have at it, another place for us on this specific issue.

LGF Poll- Admin Response to Puerto Rico
littlegreenfootballs.com

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 1, 2017 • 9:04:15am
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Targetpractice  Oct 1, 2017 • 9:04:37am

Right, bringing relief to an island barely off our coast (geographically) is too challenging, but ask the DoD to put a carrier strike group off the coast of NK and they’ll be there in under a week.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 1, 2017 • 9:06:04am

I wonder why 19th Century Fox isn’t mentioning that the health insurance for 9 million kids expired at midnight…

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 1, 2017 • 9:06:20am

re: #299 JordanRules

Oh y’all, look at this. Just disrespectful to so much history.

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Unshaken Defiance  Oct 1, 2017 • 9:06:56am

re: #302 Anymouse

If FOX spins its wheels any harder to defend the indefensible, they’ll need a tow truck to get out of the hole.

Better that than letting me have the shovel while they are down there.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 1, 2017 • 9:07:17am

re: #305 FormerDirtDart

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Trump and Tillerson are playing the classic “Dumb Cop, Incompetent Cop” routine!

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I cannot.  Oct 1, 2017 • 9:07:22am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 1, 2017 • 9:07:48am

re: #306 Targetpractice

Right, bringing relief to an island barely off our coast (geographically) is too challenging, but ask the DoD to put a carrier strike group off the coast of NK and they’ll be there in under a week.

To Conservatives, Government just exists to hurt people. Helping is called “socialism” by these fuckups.

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jaunte  Oct 1, 2017 • 9:08:37am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 1, 2017 • 9:09:40am
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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 1, 2017 • 9:09:52am

I’m off to bed. I’ll leave you with a nice thought… .

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Belafon  Oct 1, 2017 • 9:10:51am

re: #299 JordanRules

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Unshaken Defiance  Oct 1, 2017 • 9:12:47am

Has it occurred that if we had better relations with Cuba, we could leverage their airstrips and our aid?

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 1, 2017 • 9:14:22am

re: #315 Anymouse 🌹

I’m off to bed. I’ll leave you with a nice thought… .

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Renaissance_Man  Oct 1, 2017 • 9:14:33am

re: #272 jaunte

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And most amazing of all, the powers that be in America - the government and the media - will continue to present this as normal.

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jaunte  Oct 1, 2017 • 9:15:51am

re: #319 Renaissance_Man

And most amazing of all, the powers that be in America - the government and the media - will continue to present this as normal.

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I cannot.  Oct 1, 2017 • 9:16:34am

re: #317 Unshaken Defiance

And let the commies win?

///

And risk losing Cuban-American Republican votes?

NOT ///

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jaunte  Oct 1, 2017 • 9:16:43am

They should make Geraldo spend the night in one of the unpowered morgues.

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dangerman  Oct 1, 2017 • 9:16:55am

re: #273 I cannot.

On the plus side, my heart rate is so high from the perpetual rage…I never have to do cardio!

///…maybe

brilliant!

i ran 9 this morning. never again

putting my feet up and cracking the bourbon

(if you drink it on ice you burn more calories bringing it to body temp than it contains…… ok well not really)

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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2017 • 9:16:57am

re: #320 jaunte

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He really is a pathetic jerk.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2017 • 9:17:30am

re: #322 jaunte

They should make Geraldo spend the night in one of the unpowered morgues.

It would at least be real unlike Al Capone’s vault.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 1, 2017 • 9:17:49am

re: #320 jaunte

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What else would you expect from WHOREaldo?

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Targetpractice  Oct 1, 2017 • 9:19:09am

re: #320 jaunte

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Man’s head is as empty as Al Capone’s vault.

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dangerman  Oct 1, 2017 • 9:19:26am

re: #275 Unshaken Defiance

Let’s keep this right up front and well lit.
His followers approve of the lack of aid, empathy and especially the money for PR fellow americans.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 1, 2017 • 9:20:13am

re: #85 teleskiguy

Blind squirrel, broken clock.

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When Trump has lost Curt Schilling …

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 1, 2017 • 9:21:44am

re: #323 dangerman

brilliant!

i ran 9 this morning. never again

putting my feet up and cracking the bourbon

(if you drink it on ice you burn more calories bringing it to body temp than it contains…… ok well not really)

Just be sure to eat some chips for electrolyte replacement.

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Unshaken Defiance  Oct 1, 2017 • 9:22:08am

Aviation Quiz. What kind of aircraft needs no runway but carries people and gear fast?

The WH has a small fleet of these, the Marines run a lot of them
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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 1, 2017 • 9:24:22am

There’s an article/op ed piece in the WSJ, saying basically “Why buy the cow if you an get the milk for free.” as the reason why marriage is declining. It puts the whole onus on women, for being slutty so that men don’t feel the need to marry.

The other reasons the author dismisses are men earning lower wages, but he finds a bullshit excuse to dismiss that.

Things he DOESN’T discuss?

- Women no longer rely on men for their identity and economic security.

- Many young people can’t move out on their own due to a combination of low wages and high housing prices - not just young men, but young women as well.

- Young women find satisfaction in their work, which is no longer merely something to do till they get married.

- As the number of unmarried people grows, more young people see that it isn’t such an awful, strange thing.

It seems to me that we’re in a big societal change that began a century ago. We’re redefining that marriage means, and why people do it. Already we are far past the need to ‘be fruitful and multiply’, and young people are probably sensitive to the fact of overpopulation. All these things are so much more interesting than the ‘women are too slutty’ argument.

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Belafon  Oct 1, 2017 • 9:26:50am

One of the criticisms I’m seeing with my Facebook post, which I did copy to Daily Kos, is that Trump can’t lay traps. Of course he can. Traps don’t have to be complicated to be traps. We have creatures in nature that have entirely based on being a trap. Deranged people lay traps all the time. The big thing about Trump’s traps is that some people WANT to fall for them because he plays to their biases and anger.

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lizardofid  Oct 1, 2017 • 9:27:17am

re: #299 JordanRules

Oh y’all, look at this. Just disrespectful to so much history.

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Not to mention a little thing called the Red Ball Express.

Oh, good morning everyone!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 1, 2017 • 9:30:14am

We have a humanitarian crisis on our hands and we are being told about a debt crisis. We need to sort out the humanitarian crisis and get basic services up and functional before we address the debt problem.

Instead, we are seeing the debt crisis used as a distraction and an excuse for the bungled, delayed response.

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dangerman  Oct 1, 2017 • 9:34:42am

re: #281 The Vicious Babushka

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royal caribbean shows how to do it

it’s not that hard. fill the boat with stuff, point in that direction and go

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TedStriker  Oct 1, 2017 • 9:35:28am

re: #217 freetoken

It’s that time again… to order ink for my color printer.

Really, these ink cartridges are getting so expensive. I have an older Canon printer, and now the cartridges I need are rare, which means they aren’t on sale anywhere.

Of course I can get a new printer. Canon inkjets can be had for almost nothing.

But the cartridges are small , which means always buying ink, at that means Canon has me for about $100/yr just for ink costs.

I’ve bought third-party/remanufactured inkjet cartridges for my Canon and Epson printers off of eBay for years for a fraction of the OEM cartridge costs and I’ve never had problems with print quality.

Which model do you have?

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 1, 2017 • 9:36:44am

re: #183 Dr Lizardo

O.J. Simpson is officially out of prison.

edition.cnn.com
Note - autoplay embedded at link.

I’ve suggested that O.J. and Joe Arpaio team up and pool their resources. They can search for the real killer and real birth certificate together.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 1, 2017 • 9:40:33am
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Jay C  Oct 1, 2017 • 9:42:50am

re: #299 JordanRules

Oh y’all, look at this. Just disrespectful to so much history.

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Y’know what, Brock? If Hurricane Maria really IS such a “logistical challenge”* why hasn’t/wasn’t your agency been planning to rise to that challenge? Since Maria was first forecast to hit Puerto Rico - hard - when? Mid-September? I.e., two weeks ago? Plenty of time to get assets alerted/in place/deployed - instead of wasting time when every day assistance is delayed has the potential to increase the misery/number of casualties?

*He is quite right: but still no excuse…..

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 1, 2017 • 9:43:05am
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Targetpractice  Oct 1, 2017 • 9:44:30am

re: #332 Blind Frog Belly White

There’s an article/op ed piece in the WSJ, saying basically “Why buy the cow if you an get the milk for free.” as the reason why marriage is declining. It puts the whole onus on women, for being slutty so that men don’t feel the need to marry.

The other reasons the author dismisses are men earning lower wages, but he finds a bullshit excuse to dismiss that.

Things he DOESN’T discuss?

- Women no longer rely on men for their identity and economic security.

- Many young people can’t move out on their own due to a combination of low wages and high housing prices - not just young men, but young women as well.

- Young women find satisfaction in their work, which is no longer merely something to do till they get married.

- As the number of unmarried people grows, more young people see that it isn’t such an awful, strange thing.

It seems to me that we’re in a big societal change that began a century ago. We’re redefining that marriage means, and why people do it. Already we are far past the need to ‘be fruitful and multiply’, and young people are probably sensitive to the fact of overpopulation. All these things are so much more interesting than the ‘women are too slutty’ argument.

I’ve noticed two groups keep making this “Women give it away too easily” argument: Boomers (particularly female ones) and the “MRA” crowd. The former do it because that’s what they were taught from birth, that they could get jobs and college degrees, but as soon as they found a man to support them they were supposed to give up all those “fantasies” and settle down to pop out a mess of kids. The latter do it primarily because they’re generally not the ones to whom it’s “given away” and hate that modern social dynamics mean they actually have to compete for female companionship rather than having it come to them via the need for financial support.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 1, 2017 • 9:47:04am

re: #290 HappyWarrior

Fox wants to do anything possible to distract its viewership from what an abysmal failure of leadership we’re witnessing and instead get their viewers mad at Satanists and librarians.

So you’re saying we just need to find a Puerto Rican Satanist Librarian?

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mmmirele  Oct 1, 2017 • 9:48:54am

re: #274 Hecuba’s daughter

I was surprised by Eric Erickson’s column today; it was very thoughtful and moving. Perhaps he is someone who could change his mind.

And then he proceeded to pick a fight with gynecologist Dr. Jen Gunter on Twitter this morning. She was having none of it.

For the record, Erickson has a book coming out on Tuesday, so of course he’s trying to rehab his image: amazon.com

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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2017 • 9:49:20am

re: #341 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Awful.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 1, 2017 • 9:49:27am

re: #217 freetoken

It’s that time again… to order ink for my color printer.

Really, these ink cartridges are getting so expensive. I have an older Canon printer, and now the cartridges I need are rare, which means they aren’t on sale anywhere.

Of course I can get a new printer. Canon inkjets can be had for almost nothing.

But the cartridges are small , which means always buying ink, at that means Canon has me for about $100/yr just for ink costs.

In the legal field we are rapidly moving to the point where soon almost everything will be filed electronically, reducing the amount of printing that has to be done.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2017 • 9:50:25am

re: #344 mmmirele

And then he proceeded to pick a fight with gynecologist Dr. Jen Gunter on Twitter this morning. She was having none of it.

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For the record, Erickson has a book coming out on Tuesday, so of course he’s trying to rehab his image: amazon.com

His criticism of Trump aside, Erick is still a huge dickwad.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 1, 2017 • 9:51:44am

So Trump triples down on Puerto Rican “ingrates” and still nothing but crickets from the GOP.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 1, 2017 • 9:51:46am

re: #227 jaunte

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Even without his tax returns, we know his family will benefit massively from abolishing the estate tax. And that exclusively benefits the ultra-rich.

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Targetpractice  Oct 1, 2017 • 9:53:34am

re: #348 Eclectic Cyborg

So Trump triples down on Puerto Rican “ingrates” and still nothing but crickets from the GOP.

The GOP seem to have just written off the Latino vote and decided the future for them is driving up the white vote as much as possible while undermining democracy at every turn. It’s no longer about freedom and liberty, it’s about power and the exploitation of those without it.

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TedStriker  Oct 1, 2017 • 9:53:45am

re: #346 Big Beautiful Door

In the legal field we are rapidly moving to the point where soon almost everything will be filed electronically, reducing the amount of printing that has to be done.

Still, sometimes you have to print stuff; I actually just got through buying some more ink off eBay for my Canon PIXMA MG5320. I got 20 cartridges (4 complete sets of 5 [pigment black, dye black, cyan, magenta, and yellow]) for 13 bucks shipped; it’s a different seller than I’ve generally used in the past, but I don’t expect print issues.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 1, 2017 • 9:54:01am

re: #339 Backwoods_Sleuth

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So he’s going to nuke N.K.? He keeps making unhelpful threats. This is what happens when you put a manbaby into the most powerful political office in the country.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 1, 2017 • 9:54:26am

If you block all the bots that flood Trump’s Tweets with dozens of replies, you’re left with the real people who 99% call him a madman.

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dangerman  Oct 1, 2017 • 9:56:09am

re: #332 Blind Frog Belly White

There’s an article/op ed piece in the WSJ, saying basically “Why buy the cow if you an get the milk for free.” as the reason why marriage is declining. It puts the whole onus on women, for being slutty so that men don’t feel the need to marry….

1. i LOVE the cow (as it were - sticking with the metaphor)
2. the reasons and desires to marry are so much more than “milk”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 1, 2017 • 9:56:19am

re: #342 Targetpractice

I’ve noticed two groups keep making this “Women give it away too easily” argument: Boomers (particularly female ones) and the “MRA” crowd. The former do it because that’s what they were taught from birth, that they could get jobs and college degrees, but as soon as they found a man to support them they were supposed to give up all those “fantasies” and settle down to pop out a mess of kids. The latter do it primarily because they’re generally not the ones to whom it’s “given away” and hate that modern social dynamics mean they actually have to compete for female companionship rather than having it come to them via the need for financial support.

Yeah, the MRAs are mad because society no longer forced young women to settle for marriage to marry in order to survive. If they want to get married, MRAs might have to not be assholes, and that’s too heavy a lift.

The unanswered, or indeed unasked question in all this is whether the decline in marriage is a Bad Thing.

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TedStriker  Oct 1, 2017 • 9:57:36am

re: #355 Blind Frog Belly White

Yeah, the MRAs are mad because society no longer forced young women to settle for marriage to marry in order to survive. If they want to get married, MRAs might have to not be assholes, and that’s too heavy a lift.

The unanswered, or indeed unasked question in all this is whether the decline in marriage is a Bad Thing.

If I may be so bold, MRAs would generally be abusers in a marriage in past years.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 1, 2017 • 9:58:49am

re: #354 dangerman

1. i LOVE the cow (as it were - sticking with the metaphor)
2. the reasons and desires to marry are so much more than “milk”

On “Third Rock From The Sun”, Mary becomes concerned that Dick won’t to stay with her long term, because “why buy the cow…”

Dick says, “But Mary! I want you! I want the cow!!! MOOOOOOOO!!!!!”

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Interesting Times  Oct 1, 2017 • 9:59:15am

re: #275 Unshaken Defiance

Let’s keep this right up front and well lit.
His followers approve of the lack of aid, empathy and especially the money for PR.

Facebook Post

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 1, 2017 • 10:00:40am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 1, 2017 • 10:02:24am

re: #356 TedStriker

If I may be so bold, MRAs would generally be abusers in a marriage in past years.

And even if not, they’d probably be lousy partners. Selfishness does not make for a good marriage.

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TedStriker  Oct 1, 2017 • 10:03:12am

re: #356 TedStriker

If I may be so bold, MRAs would generally be abusers in a marriage in past years.

For them, it’s not just about the pussy, it’s about the power.

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TedStriker  Oct 1, 2017 • 10:04:14am

re: #360 Blind Frog Belly White

And even if not, they’d probably be lousy partners. Selfishness does not make for a good marriage.

Exactly…what woman wants to be with a walking, talking dick?

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 1, 2017 • 10:04:25am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 1, 2017 • 10:06:19am

re: #359 FormerDirtDart

“…people are now starting to recognize the amazing work that has been done by FEMA and our great Military.”

Yeah, them and Frederick Douglass….

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Targetpractice  Oct 1, 2017 • 10:07:00am

re: #356 TedStriker

If I may be so bold, MRAs would generally be abusers in a marriage in past years.

That was my first thought, in times past the MRA crowd were those who kept their wives on the leash called “financial support.” That it didn’t matter how badly they beat upon their wives, they knew they’d never leave because they had no marketable skills and no legitimate way to earn a living. Particularly if they had kids, then they could argue that a mother seeking divorce was unable to care for her children and so remand custody to hubby. Depending on where you lived in the country, an abused spouse could expect little to no help from her family, especially if they were on the cusp of retirement themselves and thus expecting to be cared for.

The MRA crowd are absolutely pissed that the days when they could tie down a woman by getting her pregnant are gone. What’s worse in their minds is the system is such now that they’re actually warned away from such behavior, because they won’t end up with a wife but instead with child support payments for a kid that they’ll have to spend money fighting to see.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 1, 2017 • 10:08:06am

re: #362 TedStriker

Exactly…what woman wants to be with a walking, talking dick?

Melania Trump?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2017 • 10:09:00am

re: #363 FormerDirtDart

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Yeah I saw that. People just want to boo. Assholes. Leave it to Trumpers to make me defend John Harbaugh.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 1, 2017 • 10:11:41am
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ObserverArt  Oct 1, 2017 • 10:15:08am

re: #259 Patricia Kayden

“The federal estate tax is a tax on property (cash, real estate, stock, or other assets) transferred from deceased persons to their heirs. Only the wealthiest estates pay the tax because it is levied only on the portion of an estate’s value that exceeds a specified exemption level — $5.49 million per person (effectively $10.98 million per married couple) in 2017.”

cbpp.org

Gohmert is lying for Jesus again since the middle class isn’t impacted at all by the estate tax.

How long has this real estate tax boondoggle been going on now?

I worked with a guy back in the mid 90s that was always going on about the estate tax. His family didn’t even have all that much wealth and many of us always wondered how did this become such a talking point that would always turn to anger?

Was this the very early beginnings of Fox and Limbaugh talking points about the evil Democrats tax and spend? I can’t quite remember…just that this has been going on for along time.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 1, 2017 • 10:15:10am
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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 1, 2017 • 10:15:54am

re: #349 Big Beautiful Door

Even without his tax returns, we know his family will benefit massively from abolishing the estate tax. And that exclusively benefits the ultra-rich.

We also know from the pages of the 2005 Trump tax return that the AMT cost him 31 million dollars. The AMT does affect people with a much more modest income than Trump’s and perhaps it should be adjusted; but without it, people like Trump will pay a lower rate than the baristas at Starbucks. The whole tax plan is designed to reduce taxes for the wealthy only, and ultimately reduce benefits for everyone else

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Unshaken Defiance  Oct 1, 2017 • 10:20:24am

Oh man the lyrics…

Iframe

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PhillyPretzel  Oct 1, 2017 • 10:21:36am

re: #370 Backwoods_Sleuth

I just finished the statement that PM Trudeau issued. Is there any way we can get him to take over the USA before the uncouth one completely ruins us?

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ObserverArt  Oct 1, 2017 • 10:23:35am

re: #272 jaunte

Josh Barro ✔@jbarro
I’m not amazed that he’s doing this. I am amazed that he’s going to let himself be photographed and videotaped doing this.


11:15 AM - Oct 1, 2017
20 20 Replies 69 69 Retweets 226 226 likes

Can I say it?

Shut the hell up Barro!!!

I am so sick of his mush-headed thinking.

I think he is a bit much like Cillizza, whiney assholes that fixate on inconsequential BS to make a thing and really bad stuff that is hurting this country gets a glimpse of their attention because it is just politics.

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meteor  Oct 1, 2017 • 10:23:46am

re: #343 Eclectic Cyborg

Are there a lot of those?

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 1, 2017 • 10:31:17am
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FormerDirtDart  Oct 1, 2017 • 10:31:58am
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freetoken  Oct 1, 2017 • 10:38:08am

re: #346 Big Beautiful Door

In the legal field we are rapidly moving to the point where soon almost everything will be filed electronically, reducing the amount of printing that has to be done.

After the nuclear war/hurricane/earthquake/apocalypse-of-your-choice you’ll be using paper again.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 1, 2017 • 10:38:45am

re: #377 FormerDirtDart

Here, so everyone can see the poll results easily

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jaunte  Oct 1, 2017 • 10:39:45am

re: #374 ObserverArt

He’s surprised a crazy sadist doesn’t care more about optics.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 1, 2017 • 10:40:56am

re: #270 Jenner7

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Because there’s nothing else going on, I guess.

Going to be interesting to see the photos of him with Clinton, W & Obama.

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fern01  Oct 1, 2017 • 10:41:02am

re: #265 Jenner7

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This is how I feel every. day.

It’s sad, but I wake up every morning thinking, “What crazy thing did Trump tweet this morning…” and every day he trumps the day before.

I’m so tired….

Trump’s attacks on the Mayor of San Juan remind me more and more of bridgegate - keep attacking those who do not give you 100% political support.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 1, 2017 • 10:48:22am
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Eventual Carrion  Oct 1, 2017 • 10:48:40am

re: #367 HappyWarrior

Yeah I saw that. People just want to boo. Assholes. Leave it to Trumpers to make me defend John Harbaugh.

Aren’t they supposed to be boycotting games and burning their tickets?

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Stanley Sea  Oct 1, 2017 • 10:49:44am

re: #333 Belafon

One of the criticisms I’m seeing with my Facebook post, which I did copy to Daily Kos, is that Trump can’t lay traps. Of course he can. Traps don’t have to be complicated to be traps. We have creatures in nature that have entirely based on being a trap. Deranged people lay traps all the time. The big thing about Trump’s traps is that some people WANT to fall for them because he plays to their biases and anger.

He’s a carny, of course he can lay traps.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2017 • 10:50:40am

re: #384 Eventual Carrion

Aren’t they supposed to be boycotting games and burning their tickets?

Ha guess not.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 1, 2017 • 10:51:17am

From CNN on FB, no, they haven’t tweeted this story

A 17-year-old transgender teen was brutally murdered in Missouri. Three people have been charged with first-degree murder. The grisly details of the murder have some calling for the suspects to face hate crime charges cnn.it

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stpaulbear  Oct 1, 2017 • 10:57:09am

re: #281 The Vicious Babushka

The Hill ✔@thehill
Royal Caribbean cancels cruise, sending ship to pick up evacuees in Puerto Rico hill.cm

Watch Trump & gang deny the ship entry to a mainland port. It’s perfectly in line with what he’s doing now. Immigrants must be stopped!!

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 1, 2017 • 10:58:29am
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Dave In Austin  Oct 1, 2017 • 10:59:38am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:00:18am

re: #389 The Vicious Babushka

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She has been helping unlike Trump.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:00:58am

Heh, I didn’t see the tweet he was replying to, just the image that he tweeted, and thought “Wow, Gilbert should play Mnuchin”

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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:02:35am

re: #392 FormerDirtDart

Heh, I didn’t see the tweet he was replying to, just the image that he tweeted, and thought “Wow, Gilbert should play Mnuchin”

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Oh my God, yes!

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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:03:19am

And please Steve every President gets criticized but only your boss throws tantrums.

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ObserverArt  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:03:39am

re: #341 Backwoods_Sleuth

Eric Holthaus ✔@EricHolthaus
“Hermenegildo Cotte Melendez, 96, died because there was no electricity for his oxygen tank, shown here”

My god.latimes.com
11:33 AM - Oct 1, 2017

I don’t know. This may not have happened. Geraldo didn’t see it to make it officially Fox enough.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:05:40am
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Targetpractice  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:05:59am

re: #389 The Vicious Babushka

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Like I said yesterday, I haven’t seen as much effort put into blaming federal response snafus on the local leadership since Ray Nagin after Katrina.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:06:30am

re: #396 FormerDirtDart

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“kindness, unity, equality and justice for all Americans.” ?

BOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

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mmmirele  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:06:52am

re: #388 stpaulbear

Watch Trump & gang deny the ship entry to a mainland port. It’s perfectly in line with what he’s doing now. Immigrants must be stopped!!

Well, that will work real well, since people born in Puerto Rico are American citizens and not immigrants.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:07:27am

re: #398 Eventual Carrion

“kindness, unity, equality and justice for all Americans.” ?

BOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

Cultural Marxism./-

401
plansbandc  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:07:48am

re: #398 Eventual Carrion

Trumpland.

402
ObserverArt  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:08:32am

re: #350 Targetpractice

The GOP seem to have just written off the Latino vote and decided the future for them is driving up the white vote as much as possible while undermining democracy at every turn. It’s no longer about freedom and liberty, it’s about power and the exploitation of those without it.

In other words the GOP will be now be known as The White Party.

As a white guy I will say I am not “white” politically. I am a man of color politically.

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Targetpractice  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:10:09am

re: #396 FormerDirtDart

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It’s never been about the anthem or the flag or the cops. It’s about black men have the audacity to do anything but give white men the blood sport they paid to watch.

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Romantic Heretic  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:11:11am

re: #302 Anymouse 🌹

Nah. They’ll just fill in the hole and get a new vehicle claiming, “This is the same car we’ve always used.”

The rubes will believe them and parrot the new line.

405
freetoken  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:11:20am

re: #402 ObserverArt

I view “race” as a completely cultural construct. So I try to not use old racial terms to describe myself.

Culturally, and legally, I’m an American. That’s pretty much all I can say about myself.

Oh, and I’m not a Republican.

406
Romantic Heretic  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:15:55am

re: #320 jaunte

Will somebody please throw another chair at this man? Harder this time?

407
ObserverArt  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:16:18am

re: #381 Stanley Sea

Going to be interesting to see the photos of him with Clinton, W & Obama.

I don’t follow golf. So, the other former Presidents will be there? I hope they refuse to be seen with him. Or show their disdain with him clearly so all of America knows past presidents want nothing to do with this man.

408
Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:16:42am

re: #402 ObserverArt

In other words the GOP will be now be known as White Party.

As a white guy I will say I am not “white” politically. I am a man of color politically.

They’re too goddamned stupid to comprehend how Pete Wilson killed the GOP in California!

409
FormerDirtDart  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:17:09am

“… “Although many entities have utilized the phrase ‘black lives matter’ in their titles or business designations, ‘Black Lives Matter’ itself is not an entity of any sort,” the judge said, adding that the movement’s hashtag also cannot be sued. …”

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Targetpractice  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:18:40am

re: #409 FormerDirtDart

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Cue the wingnuts screaming that the courts are racist against whites.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:19:04am

re: #409 FormerDirtDart

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Good.

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ObserverArt  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:21:24am

re: #392 FormerDirtDart

Heh, I didn’t see the tweet he was replying to, just the image that he tweeted, and thought “Wow, Gilbert should play Mnuchin”

Washington Examiner ✔@dcexaminer
Steven Mnuchin defends Trump’s feud with San Juan mayor: “When the president gets attacked, he attacks back” washex.am
12:36 PM - Oct 1, 2017
27 27 Replies 25 25 Retweets 64 64 likes

Get to the point Mnuchin. Just say our president is a thin-skinned classless asshole and if you don’t kiss his ass he trashes you.

And wipe your mouth Steve.

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Romantic Heretic  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:24:07am

re: #361 TedStriker

For them, it’s not just about the pussy, it’s about the power.

It’s why I call them MPAs. Nothing to do with rights at all.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:25:49am
415
stpaulbear  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:25:55am

re: #399 mmmirele

Well, that will work real well, since people born in Puerto Rico are American citizens and not immigrants.

I know that, you know that, but why would that stop Trump from saying it or his goons from believing it?

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Stanley Sea  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:26:00am

re: #407 ObserverArt

I don’t follow golf. So, the other former Presidents will be there? I hope they refuse to be seen with him. Or show their disdain with him clearly so all of America knows past presidents want nothing to do with this man.

It’s The President’s Cup.

They were there earlier this week, assuming they will be there for the trophy presentation - which the yam is doing.

417
freetoken  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:26:26am

Because I do genealogy I come across lots of discussions by people online, about their ancestors, etc.

There are some people who really get caught up with social/political labels and identify with them.

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Anyway, it’s all about the search for an identity.

That’s why I linked the recent SouthPark clip a few days ago, where they satirize all those 23andMe and AncestryDNA commercials.

418
Charles Johnson  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:29:30am
419
freetoken  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:29:43am

So that brings me to Trump and identity politics.

He has been anything but subtle about blowing whistles.

And pretty that much summarizes why Trump has such rabid supporters. A minority of the population they may be, but when it comes to voting they number just enough to tip the scales in their direction.

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mmmirele  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:30:42am

re: #417 freetoken

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freetoken  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:34:08am

re: #420 mmmirele

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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:34:51am

re: #417 freetoken

Because I do genealogy I come across lots of discussions by people online, about their ancestors, etc.

There are some people who really get caught up with social/political labels and identify with them.

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Anyway, it’s all about the search for an identity.

That’s why I linked the recent SouthPark clip a few days ago, where they satirize all those 23andMe and AncestryDNA commercials.

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freetoken  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:41:10am

I’m just glad my ancestors were.

Because if they weren’t, then I wouldn’t be.

424
Birth Control Works  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:42:58am

How is it now?

425
Charles Johnson  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:44:12am
426
FormerDirtDart  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:45:15am

HOLY SHIT

427
Targetpractice  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:45:28am

re: #425 Charles Johnson

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And the sad reality is there will be plenty of morons who will buy the idea, because at this point they want to believe that the whole thing is a deliberate conspiracy rather than rank stupidity and callous indifference.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:45:41am

re: #423 freetoken

I’m just glad my ancestors were.

Because if they weren’t, then I wouldn’t be.

Yep that’s the most important thing.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:46:38am

re: #425 Charles Johnson

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I wish I could be shocked Charles but that dude is vile.

430
Dragonomics  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:48:42am

re: #396 FormerDirtDart

They booed GOD!!!

431
Eventual Carrion  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:48:50am

re: #425 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

I didn’t go read it, but I would guess ‘un-named cop”.

432
I cannot.  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:49:19am

Sore: #426 FormerDirtDart

There are several reasons why I stay within 10 meters of ground level, and only rarely exceed 3 meters.

THAT is one of them.

433
FormerDirtDart  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:49:39am

Apparently no one in the State Department has been watching the news for the last few years.

434
ObserverArt  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:50:03am

I don’t know, maybe I just saw it the way I wanted to when younger, but it did seem at times like these American dropped the BS and banded together to help people in need. Now, like everything, the political football game has to be considered first before doing actual good.

America, take a look at ourselves and consider how we look to the world.

There will be a time when we need the world’s help.

If they apply the same type of thinking as so many Americans do, why should they bother to help?

435
Birth Control Works  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:55:07am

re: #434 ObserverArt

As I try to explain to my son, the US has worked very hard to help other nations “develope”.

As a result, many have and we now have real competition in the global marketplace.

There are many who haven’t adjusted to this reality.

(MAGA) comes to mind.

436
FormerDirtDart  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:55:12am

How disorganized is this administration? You can’t even call this a cluster fuck

437
Dr Lizardo  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:56:22am

re: #426 FormerDirtDart

HOLY SHIT

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And not a pair of underwear were left unsoiled.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:56:31am
439
jaunte  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:57:53am

“Hey folks, aren’t you glad you’re here, paying me, and not in San Juan?”

440
Targetpractice  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:59:20am

re: #438 The Vicious Babushka

[Embedded content]

“SHE NEEDS TO GET OUT THERE AND HELP!”

“She’s hip-deep in water, talking with victims and directing them to help.”

“SHE NEEDS TO BE IN HER OFFICE!”

441
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 1, 2017 • 12:00:34pm

re: #392 FormerDirtDart

Heh, I didn’t see the tweet he was replying to, just the image that he tweeted, and thought “Wow, Gilbert should play Mnuchin”

Steven Mnuchin defends Trump’s feud with San Juan mayor: “When the president gets attacked hears anything that can be taken as criticism, he attacks back throws a pouty hissy fit

442
jaunte  Oct 1, 2017 • 12:01:13pm
443
Belafon  Oct 1, 2017 • 12:01:27pm

re: #418 Charles Johnson

And he gets to be the arbiter of what is patriotic.

444
Varek Raith  Oct 1, 2017 • 12:02:14pm

re: #426 FormerDirtDart

HOLY SHIT

[Embedded content]

Engine failure?
More like explosion.
Yikes.

445
Charles Johnson  Oct 1, 2017 • 12:02:31pm

re: #431 Eventual Carrion

I didn’t go read it, but I would guess ‘un-named cop”.

It’s an anonymous person calling in to a radio show. An impeccable right wing source.

446
Belafon  Oct 1, 2017 • 12:02:39pm

re: #442 jaunte

He’s poor. He’ll never amount to anything. There’s no reason to help him.

///

447
jaunte  Oct 1, 2017 • 12:04:30pm

re: #446 Belafon

The ultimate failure of conservative ideology is its pessimistic lack of faith in people.

448
Targetpractice  Oct 1, 2017 • 12:05:14pm

re: #444 Varek Raith

Engine failure?
More like explosion.
Yikes.

Looks like a fan failure.

449
freetoken  Oct 1, 2017 • 12:05:18pm

re: #439 jaunte

And there you have the soulless 1% crowd, all too eager to associate with Trump.

450
HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2017 • 12:05:48pm

re: #442 jaunte

[Embedded content]

He’s awesome.

451
ObserverArt  Oct 1, 2017 • 12:06:14pm

re: #436 FormerDirtDart

How disorganized is this administration? You can’t even call this a cluster fuck

[Embedded content]

They haven’t had a coordinated response to anything have they?

But all those Trump voters buh-leeved he was this great businessman we needed.

Trump and company would get eaten alive running a lemonade stand across the street from a group of 6-year olds.

Then again, I’d trust the 6-year olds with helping Puerto Rico too. They’d have more feel for the victims and understand the issues more so Than Orange Man Baby.

452
The Vicious Babushka  Oct 1, 2017 • 12:06:29pm

re: #439 jaunte

[Embedded content]

“Hey folks, aren’t you glad you’re here, paying me, and not in San Juan?”

“Hey folks, you know I get Prima Nochte on all brides who are married at my property? It’s in the contract you signed.”

453
Varek Raith  Oct 1, 2017 • 12:06:57pm

re: #448 Targetpractice

Looks like a fan failure.

Can you imagine what that sounded and felt like?
*Shudders*

454
Jay C  Oct 1, 2017 • 12:07:11pm

re: #426 FormerDirtDart

HOLY SHIT

[Embedded content]

I used to work for a business owned by a couple: the wife refused, wherever and whenever possible, to fly anyplace, if any alternative transportation was available*. It provided me with a few interesting, if circuitous business trips in/around Europe: I thought it was just a quirk, until one time (on a train, of course) she told me that she had been in not one, but two crash-landings of commercial flights: and was really apprehensive about the “third-time’s-the-charm” implications. Seeing videos like this just reinforce my sympathies….

*Transatlantic or longer journeys were dealt with by liberal applications of booze and pills: must have worked, since she is still alive….

455
sagehen  Oct 1, 2017 • 12:09:18pm

re: #445 Charles Johnson

It’s an anonymous person calling in to a radio show. An impeccable right wing source.

Anybody who has access to telephones and/or radio… isn’t in Puerto Rico.

456
The Vicious Babushka  Oct 1, 2017 • 12:09:38pm
457
HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2017 • 12:10:56pm

re: #456 The Vicious Babushka

[Embedded content]

Grow up baby.

458
dangerman  Oct 1, 2017 • 12:12:12pm

re: #405 freetoken

I view “race” as a completely cultural construct. So I try to not use old racial terms to describe myself.

Culturally, and legally, I’m an American. That’s pretty much all I can say about myself.

Oh, and I’m not a Republican.

You can stay
But you’re on your own wrt pizza toppings

459
goddamnedfrank  Oct 1, 2017 • 12:13:36pm
460
HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2017 • 12:13:43pm

Conservative “comedians” denied Obama’s citizenship but right Joe, cracker is sooooo awful. Fucking snowflake deadbeat.

461
freetoken  Oct 1, 2017 • 12:13:50pm

re: #458 dangerman

You can stay
But you’re on your own wrt pizza toppings

Veggies or fungi only.

Pineapple is not a vegetable.

462
I cannot.  Oct 1, 2017 • 12:14:07pm

Keeping y’all updated on the Vox Derp’s latest comic book shaped piece of stupidity…

The “villains” look cooler and are drawn better than the “hero”.

463
Targetpractice  Oct 1, 2017 • 12:14:48pm

re: #456 The Vicious Babushka

[Embedded content]

Deadbeat dad says what?

464
The Vicious Babushka  Oct 1, 2017 • 12:19:19pm

I can’t believe Fox just Tweeted this. It kind of wrecks their whole narrative.

465
Varek Raith  Oct 1, 2017 • 12:19:49pm

re: #462 I cannot.

Keeping y’all updated on the Vox Derp’s latest comic book shaped piece of stupidity…

[Embedded content]

The “villains” look cooler and are drawn better than the “hero”.

Probably doesn’t even know what redshift is.

466
jaunte  Oct 1, 2017 • 12:20:59pm

re: #462 I cannot.

Redshift has calves the size of watermelons.

467
Eventual Carrion  Oct 1, 2017 • 12:22:40pm

re: #466 jaunte

Redshift has calves the size of watermelons.

Only looks that way when coming at you.

468
klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 1, 2017 • 12:22:45pm

re: #405 freetoken

I view “race” as a completely cultural construct. So I try to not use old racial terms to describe myself.

Culturally, and legally, I’m an American. That’s pretty much all I can say about myself.

Oh, and I’m not a Republican.

Being black or brown in America is a very different experience than being white in America. Maybe that’s just because of this cultural construct that we’ve created collectively but it’s not something you get to opt out of, any more than a black man can opt out of being stopped for no reason other than the color of his skin.

469
dangerman  Oct 1, 2017 • 12:24:20pm

re: #369 ObserverArt

How long has this real estate tax boondoggle been going on now?

I worked with a guy back in the mid 90s that was always going on about the estate tax. His family didn’t even have all that much wealth and many of us always wondered how did this become such a talking point that would always turn to anger?

Was this the very early beginnings of Fox and Limbaugh talking points about the evil Democrats tax and spend? I can’t quite remember…just that this has been going on for along time.

the exclusion used to be much lower - 650k or so

insurance trusts and other strategies were good hedges

anyone who claims they had to sell the family “whatever” to pay the estate tax had their head in the sand for years prior. didnt plan, didnt care, didnt try.

in the reverse, lots of folks created insurance trusts when the exclusion was low - now with the 2008/9 “crash” their estates are under the exclusion limits, though they still have the trusts and still have to pay the premiums or lose the insurance.

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TedStriker  Oct 1, 2017 • 12:35:27pm

re: #461 freetoken

Veggies or fungi only.

Pineapple is not a vegetable.

Ahem…tomatoes are berries.

Just sayin’

///

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 1, 2017 • 12:55:28pm

re: #433 FormerDirtDart

Apparently no one in the State Department has been watching the news for the last few years.

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Lawmakers Call for ‘Stealthing’ to Be Classified as Rape U.S. Reps. Carolyn Maloney (D-NY) and Ro Khanna (D-CA) announced on Wednesday that they would push lawmakers to have "stealthing," or nonconsensual condom removal, classified as rape. In a letter sent to the House Judiciary Committee, Maloney and Khanna ...
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Should Animal Abusers Be Registered Like Sex Offenders? It is important to remember that those who abuse animals also tend to abuse children. One of the objectives of the criminal justice system is to protect the innocent and discourage would-be perpetrators from harming them. Whether it does ...
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