Another Great Music Video From Phoebe Bridgers: “Motion Sickness”

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Motion Sickness from Stranger In The Alps out Sep 22 on Dead Oceans. Pre-Order Now phoebebridgers.lnk.to

Directed and Edited by: Justin Mitchell
Produced by: Rich Bond and Davis Powers for Striped Blazer Productions
Director of Photography: Michael Lockridge
Assistant Camera: Noah Ramos
Key Grip: Dyron Pacheco
Hair and Makeup: Atlas Ferrera
Styling: Jenny Reyes

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jaunte  Oct 1, 2017 • 9:31:37pm

“Politically motivated Puerto Rican ingrate”, crossing a river where a bridge used to be.

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teleskiguy  Oct 1, 2017 • 10:11:16pm
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FormerDirtDart  Oct 1, 2017 • 10:25:16pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 1, 2017 • 10:34:03pm

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 1, 2017 • 10:39:55pm

Reporter for KTNV in Las Vegas

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 1, 2017 • 10:41:35pm
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FormerDirtDart  Oct 1, 2017 • 10:46:43pm
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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Oct 1, 2017 • 10:57:39pm

First world problems.

Facebook Post

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:04:10pm

re: #5 FormerDirtDart

Yeah, just came over the wires here in Europe…..active shooter situation at Mandalay Bay in Las Vegas. They’re describing it as a casino/hotel/resort…..is that accurate? Last time I was in Vegas, “Lefty” Rosenthal was running the show - in other words, about 40 years ago.

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teleskiguy  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:07:29pm

re: #9 Dr Lizardo

They’re describing it as a casino/hotel/resort…..is that accurate?

All the big hotels on the strip are nothing but hotel rooms, restaurants, bars, casinos, and shopping malls.

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JordanRules  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:10:44pm

re: #9 Dr Lizardo

They’re describing it as a casino/hotel/resort…..is that accurate?

Yes, that’s accurate. Mandalay is sprawling and has lots of event space too as do many of the big properties on and around the strip.

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teleskiguy  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:11:47pm

Nevada has some of the loosest gun laws in the country.

Just sayin’.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:12:27pm

re: #10 teleskiguy

All the big hotels on the strip are nothing but hotel rooms, restaurants, bars, casinos, and shopping malls.

Ah, OK. I probably wouldn’t recognize the place now, LOL. I still kind of recall Circus Circus and the Stardust.

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teleskiguy  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:14:09pm

re: #11 JordanRules

Yes, that’s accurate. Mandalay is sprawling and has lots of event space as do many of the big properties on and around the strip.

That’s what I noticed the first time I visited Vegas for fun. Those buildings on the strip are *massive.* Hotels take up multiple city blocks.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:17:16pm

OK, that’s automatic weapons fire

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:19:11pm

re: #15 FormerDirtDart

Sounds like some pretty heavy-duty auto weapons fire - AK-47 perhaps?

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:19:32pm

This is pretty freaking scary.

Shooting is at a Country Music festival (Route 91 Harvest festival) at the Mandalay Bay casino. There is a Youtube video of the actual shooting starting - unless there’s some sort of trick with the audio, the shooter has a fully automatic weapon.

Active Shooter at Route 91 Harvest Festival in Las Vegas

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JordanRules  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:21:27pm

re: #14 teleskiguy

Seriously! I get overwhelmed covering ground in one or two properties.
Back in the day though, it would take covering a decent fraction of the strip for the same experience and foot pain.

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teleskiguy  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:21:56pm

re: #16 Dr Lizardo

Sounds like some pretty heavy-duty auto weapons fire - AK-47 perhaps?

It’s definitely a long rifle, firing 5.56 or 7.62 ammo.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:24:36pm

re: #19 teleskiguy

It’s definitely a long rifle, firing 5.56 or 7.62 ammo.

Yeah…..hard to tell from audio, with the usual tricks echoing gunfire produces, but definitely a long rifle. AK-47 popped into mind because it sounds heavy, .30 caliber, like that first vid clip, the one taken from the hotel window.

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teleskiguy  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:26:41pm

It’s starting to snow here.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:38:45pm

A Facebook friend is monitoring Las Vegas police command through this site but it appears to be down or jammed right now:
broadcastify.com
Screenshot from earlier:

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Stanley Sea  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:43:17pm

re: #22 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Well fuck

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:44:02pm
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JordanRules  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:45:50pm

Shit man.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:47:10pm
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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:48:21pm

Chaos on Twitter, as usual, multiple shooters, shots fired at Bellagio Hotel, etc. If even a third of this is true, we have a major terrorist incident.

mobile.twitter.com

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:48:45pm

re: #26 Stanley Sea

Shit, that sounds like over 50 rounds fired.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:50:33pm

re: #26 Stanley Sea

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God damn! That was 40 rounds, maybe 50, full auto.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:50:34pm

re: #28 Dr Lizardo

Shit, that sounds like over 50 rounds fired.

Our guns are so great.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:53:50pm

re: #29 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Maybe a drum magazine? I didn’t hear any pause; it was just straight-up continuous auto-fire.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:54:30pm

re: #28 Dr Lizardo

Shit, that sounds like over 50 rounds fired.

re: #29 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

God damn! That was 40 rounds, maybe 50, full auto.

30 rd magazine emptied

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JordanRules  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:55:40pm

re: #26 Stanley Sea

For reference, Delano is a luxury suites division on Mandalay property.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:56:38pm

re: #32 FormerDirtDart

30 rd magazine emptied

Could well be…..out of curiosity, I checked and there are 60 and 100 round banana magazines out there for the AR-15.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 1, 2017 • 11:58:15pm
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FormerDirtDart  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:02:09am
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Stanley Sea  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:03:55am

Ah Sunday night.

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JordanRules  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:04:07am
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majii  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:04:47am

re: #22 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

“A Facebook friend is monitoring Las Vegas police command through this site but it appears to be down or jammed right now:”

I went to the site. The owner has a note posted stating he’s having problems with the site, including the site shutting down for reasons he doesn’t understand. He says he’s working to get things straightened out.

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teleskiguy  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:07:34am

re: #38 JordanRules

Straight up terrorism.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:12:07am

Good god, don’t go to #mandalaybay hash, some young daughter of some poor sap says 20 dead. Her photo is revealing.

jeebus

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Stanley Sea  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:14:03am

do they wake up the yam? or is that a no-no

Sorry, I’m concerned.

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JordanRules  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:16:53am

Lotta fake shit is about to roll in. Be careful everyone.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:20:30am

re: #43 JordanRules

Lotta fake shit is about to roll in. Be careful everyone.

do not go to the #mandalaybay trending.

The ultimate stupidity of our fellow citizens is there in full force.

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teleskiguy  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:21:06am
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JordanRules  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:24:02am

re: #44 Stanley Sea

Uggh, I can imagine.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:25:44am

re: #46 JordanRules

Uggh, I can imagine.

I took a quick peek and yeah, to paraphrase Dave Bowman in 2001: A Space Odyssey, “My God - it’s full of stupid!”

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majii  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:25:47am

re: #42 Stanley Sea

“do they wake up the yam? or is that a no-no”

“Sorry, I’m concerned.”

Shortly after I read about this incident, I wandered over to the site “Heavy,” seeking additional information. The first comment on the site was from a guy who said he hopes this shooting isn’t blamed on Trump. I kid you not. People are running for their lives, being shot down, hotels are being locked down, traffic diverted, the airport shutdown, and this guy is worried about someone somewhere blaming his “precious” president and hurting his little fee fees. I don’t want to hear what Trump tweets about this because, as usual, it will all be BS. Dude doesn’t have one iota of concern for others in his entire body. Who in the hell goes to a golf event and presents and dedicates a golf trophy in the names of those who are suffering as a result of a disaster and thinks it helps them in some way? A mthrfuker like Trump. That’s who.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:27:36am

re: #46 JordanRules

Uggh, I can imagine.

Bimbette in bikini said 20 dead.
Lost it after that

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Kragar  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:28:06am
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JordanRules  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:31:06am

re: #49 Stanley Sea

Thinking and hoping that is confusing injured vs. dead.
One of the CNN anchors made that mistake and quickly corrected herself.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:31:57am
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Stanley Sea  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:33:15am

Jesus Christ

A local news station.
Before anything figured out.

Sorry, just dont get it

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Stanley Sea  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:35:26am

re: #53 Stanley Sea

Jesus Christ

A local news station.
Before anything figured out.

Sorry, just dont get it

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We are toast, if we fold this fast to the modern era bullshit hallmark cards

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Stanley Sea  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:36:18am
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Dr Lizardo  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:38:39am

Looking at some of the vids people took of the incident, seems like the shooter was emptying a magazine, stopping to reload (extended magazine), firing, stopping again, firing. The shooter seems to take less than 20 seconds to reload and resume firing.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:41:07am

I am flabbergasted at the stupidity of our neighbors.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:42:21am

I’ve seen at least 3 alleged names of the shooter posted,, as though some random Twitter goof would know. People are sick.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:42:33am

I call everyone in this country our neighbors.
Cause they are.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:42:44am

re: #58 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

I’ve seen at least 3 alleged names of the shooter posted,, as though some random Twitter goof would know. People are sick.

It’s trolls.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:44:26am

re: #58 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

I’ve seen at least 3 alleged names of the shooter posted,, as though some random Twitter goof would know. People are sick.

Abdul. Not Billy Bob?

I’ll wait.

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teleskiguy  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:45:18am

re: #21 teleskiguy

Almost an inch at 6,334’. Snowing pretty hard.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:48:21am

re: #61 Stanley Sea

Abdul. Not Billy Bob?

I’ll wait.

I won’t post any of the names, except OJ Simpson (who was released into the Vegas general population yesterday). The others are a well known nazi, a young woman, and a number of folk with Muslim names.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:58:33am

re: #1 jaunte

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“Politically motivated Puerto Rican ingrate”, crossing a river where a bridge used to be.

obviously wanting the government to do everything for her

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Kragar  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:59:30am
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JordanRules  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:00:19am

Bald dude is apparently an adult film star.

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JordanRules  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:01:13am

re: #65 Kragar

And this…

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:19:43am
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VegasGolfer  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:22:19am

reviewjournal.com

“A Las Vegas Metropolitan police source has confirmed that at least 20 people are dead in a shooting Sunday night at Mandalay Bay on the Las Vegas Strip”

Tragic.

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VegasGolfer  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:25:10am

Local NBC saying shooter might be from Mesquite, Nv.

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teleskiguy  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:27:18am

re: #70 VegasGolfer

Local NBC saying shooter might be from Mesquite, Nv.

Right down the road from Bunkerville. Home of the Bundy family.

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VegasGolfer  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:28:47am

re: #71 teleskiguy

That was gonna be my next post.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:28:57am

re: #69 VegasGolfer

reviewjournal.com

“A Las Vegas Metropolitan police source has confirmed that at least 20 people are dead in a shooting Sunday night at Mandalay Bay on the Las Vegas Strip”

Tragic.

Refering to Teleskiguy’s note above:

re: #45 teleskiguy

“Police source” is not “police.” Unnamed sources in such incidents are not sources. The Las Vegas Metropolitan Police will identify their spokesperson or officer releasing official information.

The police department’s Faceplant page says to follow along for information on its Twitter feed. It’s Twitter feed has no such thing.

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fern01  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:30:04am

re: #42 Stanley Sea

do they wake up the yam? or is that a no-no

Sorry, I’m concerned.

They only wake up black presidents and demand they immediately take the blame for every gunman in the country

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:31:58am

re: #69 VegasGolfer

reviewjournal.com

“A Las Vegas Metropolitan police source has confirmed that at least 20 people are dead in a shooting Sunday night at Mandalay Bay on the Las Vegas Strip”

Tragic.

That article never mentions 20 killed. Only reports 2 dead

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VegasGolfer  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:32:19am

I am watching police breifing now and the say the shooter is from the local area. And they are looking for an asain woman accomplice.

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:34:36am

Crap crap crap.

The 20+ number of dead is accurate according to the police briefing. More than 100 injured.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:34:47am
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VegasGolfer  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:34:52am

The sherrif who is giving the live briefing just said 20 dead and 100 injured.

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JordanRules  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:34:55am

20 dead per LVPD

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:34:56am

Dipshits on Twitter are spreading a picture of a woman whom they allege was a person who issued some sort of threat about twenty minutes before the shooting.

The picture of the woman in question is a reporter for Australia’s Channel Seven, who was on the scene.

dailytelegraph.com.au

They lifted her photo right off the Daily Telegraph Website. (The Daily Telegraph has a former reporter who is also in Las Vegas, who reported on what he saw to the paper.)

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fern01  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:37:29am

re: #77 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

Crap crap crap.

The 20+ number of dead is accurate according to the police briefing. More than 100 injured.

begosh - Last I read - I thought it was TWO. No idea how the US stops this with the ease of access and volume of guns privately owned. And everyone out to have a great time. It is truly heartbreaking the extent of man made disasters.

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teleskiguy  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:37:46am

Mass casualty event. Gunman was firing a fully automatic rifle. Goddamn it.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:39:21am

re: #82 fern01

begosh - Last I read - I thought it was TWO. No idea how the US stops this with the ease of access and volume of guns privately owned.

Well, the weapon in question seems to be a machine gun … those are heavily regulated. Probably one of the first questions for police is how the shooter got his hands on one.

While it’s possible it was a legally-owned machine gun, that doesn’t seem to be terribly likely to me (for whatever my opinion is worth).

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:39:42am
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FormerDirtDart  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:43:21am
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Dr Lizardo  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:43:28am

re: #86 FormerDirtDart

Marilou Danley
Gambling & Casinos Professional
Reno, NevadaGambling & Casinos

Same person as on the book of faces.

Weird as fuck, to put it mildly.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:44:47am

I was afraid of this. With the asshole firing a full auto weapon into a concert crowd, there didn’t seem any way that the report of 2 dead/20 injured would hold up.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:45:13am

Off to work. Later, lizards.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:47:47am

Marylou “Danly” is one of the names posted by Twitter trolls earlier. Fuck ‘em anyway, for releasing confidential police info.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:48:58am
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FormerDirtDart  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:50:44am
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FormerDirtDart  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:55:15am

Info deleted. CNN provided mistaken license plate numbers

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freetoken  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:56:28am

re: #92 FormerDirtDart

…. a man is also listed at that address. Won’t share out of caution.

It’s as if no one has ever heard of the people-lookup sites so common on the internet.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 2, 2017 • 2:07:59am

re: #94 FormerDirtDart

Info deleted. CNN provided mistaken license plate numbers

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 2, 2017 • 2:15:35am

A reminder.
Congress is considering the ‘Hearing Protection Act’. Which would allow the purchase of weapon suppressors (silencers) to be no more difficult than the purchase of a firearm.

Now, imagine someone shooting an automatic weapon from an elevated position, hundreds of feet up, at night in a metropolitan area.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 2:17:31am

re: #97 FormerDirtDart

A reminder.
Congress is considering the ‘Hearing Protection Act’. Which would allow the purchase of weapon suppressors (silencers) to be no more difficult than the purchase of a firearm.

Now, imagine someone shooting an automatic weapon from an elevated position, hundreds of feet up, at night in a metropolitan area.

Suppressors don’t kill people, people kill people!!11uno!21!!

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 2:18:22am
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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 2:19:41am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 2, 2017 • 2:23:06am

re: #98 Anymouse 🌹

Suppressors don’t kill people, people kill people!!11uno!21!!

Let us pass a law legalizing flamethrowers. Call it the “Warmth Generation Act”…

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 2, 2017 • 2:23:20am
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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 2:25:51am

My regional newspaper is doing live updates:

A Nevada sheriff says one on-duty officer is in critical condition and another was wounded in the Las Vegas concert shooting that left more than 20 people dead.

Clark County Sheriff Joseph Lombardo says two off-duty officers have died.

Several officers from California were attending the outdoor Route 91 Harvest Music Festival on Sunday when a gunman opened fire. A Bakersfield Police officer was shot and taken to the hospital with non-life threatening injuries.

Authorities have not released any of their identities.

More than 100 people were injured.

Lombardo says the suspect is dead.

The sheriff says they believe this was a “lone wolf” attack but said they are looking for a roommate of the dead suspect as a person of interest.

starherald.com (Scottsbluff, NE Star-Herald)

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 2:28:25am

re: #101 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Let us pass a law legalizing flamethrowers. Call it the “Warmth Generation Act”…

Flamethrowers are legal.
Introducing the Terrifying Personal Flamethrower That Is Apparently Legal in 48 States (Washington Post)

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 2:33:23am

The article above notes at the time the company in question was working to get their flamethrower to market.

Going to their Website, it is now available. It uses gasoline for fuel and butane cannisters for camping or kitchen use for the pilot light.

The Washington Post article says they are only illegal in California (without a permit) and Maryland.

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Oct 2, 2017 • 2:33:31am

Hi All! Something to note is that some out there are saying that it was her husband who did the shooting. I notice that the Sheriff states that they are looking for a “roommate” of the shooter, not her husband. I would think that if they were looking for the wife of the shooter then they would say so. I have also seen that the husband is being portrayed as a Democrat but I do not know if that info is real.

What a tragedy.

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freetoken  Oct 2, 2017 • 2:35:59am

re: #106 Odie Hugh Manatee

I have also seen that the husband is being portrayed as a Democrat but I do not know if that info is real.

.

Oh yes, Twitter if full of that stuff.

This shooting has the smell of the “going postal” events of years past. Either a disgruntled worker/former-employee, or someone acting out family problems.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 2:36:04am

re: #106 Odie Hugh Manatee

Hi All! Something to note is that some out there are saying that it was her husband who did the shooting. I notice that the Sheriff states that they are looking for a “roommate” of the shooter, not her husband. I would think that if they were looking for the wife of the shooter then they would say so. I have also seen that the husband is being portrayed as a Democrat but I do not know if that info is real.

What a tragedy.

The “he’s a Democrat” is standard wingnut propaganda.

As far as I am aware, the police have not released the name of the shooter. If that’s the case, it would be impossible to know.

My wife just brought me a whole bowl of teriyaki pork (yum).

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 2, 2017 • 2:40:07am
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freetoken  Oct 2, 2017 • 2:41:27am

re: #109 FormerDirtDart

“Swot” - the Guardian needs a better editor.

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Oct 2, 2017 • 2:43:12am

re: #107 freetoken

re: #108 Anymouse 🌹

Yeah, I don’t rush to believe anything, I can wait until there is there is firm confirmation of the facts. Even then, shit can change later on. Her and her husband may have separated some time ago and she’s rooming with someone else. It could be many things but all we can do is wait for the facts to come in and counter the internet BS that is fed to the asses, I mean masses.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 2, 2017 • 2:43:40am

For awhile twitter was blowing up over some guy who ran home, got a gun, and came back to help “sweep the hotels.”

He’s lucky as hell police didn’t shoot him (if true).

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 2:48:40am

My newspaper is trying to magic balancefairy Donald Trump’s response to Hurricane Maria to Barack Obama’s response to ISIS killing James Foley (but they’re reprinting an AP report).

In 2014, Obama was criticized for playing golf right after speaking to reporters about the execution of journalist James Foley by Islamic State militants. And President George W. Bush was faulted for not immediately returning to Washington from his Crawford, Texas, ranch after Hurricane Katrina devastated New Orleans.

starherald.com

White House spokeswoman Lindsay Walters said that Trump had committed to attending the golf tournament “many months ago.”

“He is being continually updated on the situation in Puerto Rico and only came briefly to present the trophy to the American team who are serving as great representatives for our country,” she said, adding: “He is eager to get to Puerto Rico on Tuesday and further emphasize his dedication to the recovery efforts which have received widespread praise from local officials on the ground.”

Yeah, not an excuse, “committed to attending many months ago.” The issue isn’t him at the golf tournament, it’s his lack of response.

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fern01  Oct 2, 2017 • 2:51:04am

re: #84 Anymouse 🌹

Well, the weapon in question seems to be a machine gun … those are heavily regulated. Probably one of the first questions for police is how the shooter got his hands on one.

While it’s possible it was a legally-owned machine gun, that doesn’t seem to be terribly likely to me (for whatever my opinion is worth).

Living in a world where the only guns I have ever seen are worn by the police (& prior to the 1980s most police were unarmed) I have no idea about the various types of weapons. I am simply very thankful that gun deaths in my part of the world are few. One massacre - 1996 (I think) and a RW government said “no more”

Some idjits are trying to bring them back - with little success at the minute.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 2:55:51am

Lots of people over at Twitter spreading the name and photo of a man from Arkansas, because Internet sleuths allegedly connected the “person of interest” they are looking for to this fellow.

The police for their part haven’t said who the shooter is, but they did say he was a local person. I’m not sure how local Arkansas is to Las Vegas.

Wingnuts are trying to make the fellow’s name trend as a hashtag.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 2:58:00am

re: #114 fern01

Living in a world where the only guns I have ever seen are worn by the police (& prior to the 1980s most police were unarmed) I have no idea about the various types of weapons. I am simply very thankful that gun deaths in my part of the world are few. One massacre - 1996 (I think) and a RW government said “no more”

Some idjits are trying to bring them back - with little success at the minute.

The National Rifle Association here puts out endless propaganda about how Australia’s gun laws have no effect, are easily circumvented, &c.

They also use Australia’s laws to whip up fear amongst their membership.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:00:18am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:02:31am

re: #117 Anymouse 🌹

I see the left didn’t even wait until the bodies were cold before exploiting this massacre.

There is never a right time to start talking about gun control

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:03:10am

Regarding the Chetco Bar fire here on the south Oregon coast, it was beat back by nature and man and was last at 97% contained. It got pretty bad here until Tropical Storm Lidia collapsed over Baja Cali and a good portion of it drifted into Arizona, then up the Cali-Nevada border and over the Miller Complex and Chetco Bar fires. While this rain only hit the western and eastern sides of the fire, it gave the firefighters a chance to get in and directly fight it. We’ve had a bit more rain since then but there’s still lots of hot spots they are tracking/extinguishing.

It’s a good thing we got that rain because we are back in to our normal early fall coastal weather; sunny and breezy.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:04:11am

This account needs to be reported to Twitter …

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VegasGolfer  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:06:36am

Shooter name is stephen paddock per msnbc

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:07:22am

re: #115 Anymouse 🌹

From what I saw (real or not), they are saying that her husband is from Fayetteville. They are in a rush to label him as the shooter because they are internet sleuths.

More likely they like the idea of the shooter being a Democrat because they think that will validate their belief that liberals are violent.

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fern01  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:12:42am

re: #116 Anymouse 🌹

The National Rifle Association here puts out endless propaganda about how Australia’s gun laws have no effect, are easily circumvented, &c.

They also use Australia’s laws to whip up fear amongst their membership.

There are no doubts that people still have guns - they mainly use them to shoot themselves, their family or other criminals. Don’t believe that the laws are not working. Children can go to school, college, concerts and virtually anywhere without fear of being caught up in a gun massacre.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:13:08am

re: #122 Odie Hugh Manatee

From what I saw (real or not), they are saying that her husband is from Fayetteville. They are in a rush to label him as the shooter because they are internet sleuths.

More likely they like the idea of the shooter being a Democrat because they think that will validate their belief that liberals are violent.

and that they spread a hateful message about America that can only result in violence…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:13:54am

re: #123 fern01

The are no doubt people still have guns - they mainly use them to shoot themselves, their family or other criminals. Don’t believe that the laws are not working. Children can go to school, college, concerts and virtually anywhere without fear of being caught up in a gun massacre.

but they have been left without a means to defend themselves against a government takeover.

/

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:14:05am
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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:14:15am

re: #122 Odie Hugh Manatee

From what I saw (real or not), they are saying that her husband is from Fayetteville. They are in a rush to label him as the shooter because they are internet sleuths.

More likely they like the idea of the shooter being a Democrat because they think that will validate their belief that liberals are violent.

Although the police did not say they were looking for the shooter’s “wife.” They described their “person of interest” with some other term such as “associate.”

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fern01  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:16:07am

re: #125 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

but they have been left without a means to defend themselves against a government takeover.

/

This, I will never understand - we vote for a government to run the country - What are they taking over?

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:17:52am

re: #123 fern01

The are no doubt people still have guns - they mainly use them to shoot themselves, their family or other criminals. Don’t believe that the laws are not working. Children can go to school, college, concerts and virtually anywhere without fear of being caught up in a gun massacre.

I have a shotgun. I am not interested in shooting anyone. I would be quite willing to register it or get a title for it if such things were required.

The idea that any fool should own a gun is well, foolish. Only recently has the II Amendment been interpreted that way.

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sagehen  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:17:54am

Over 60 years old… that’s pretty unusual for a mass shooting.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:18:07am

re: #128 fern01

This, I will never understand - we vote for a government to run the country - What are they taking over?

the government registers millions of illegals and buys their votes with promises of free stuff.

why do I have to explain the obvious to you?

/

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fern01  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:19:13am

As for the police definition of “terrorism” - someone who kills 20 people and injures 100 is “not a terrorist”?

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alloutofcrazyhere  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:20:15am

Well, I go to sleep, wake up in the middle of the night, and see this has happened.

This will be good for the international tourism that Vegas has been trying so hard to attract. /s

All sarcasm aside, it’s surprising that this hasn’t happened already.

As an aside, I was at the DMV the other day, and they had petitioners out front wanting people to “help protect our 2nd amendment rights.”

I would like to think that those petitioners ought to be feeling quite silly atm, but die-hard ammosexuals seem to be immune to the suffering caused by gun violence.

Ok, rant off.

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Nyet  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:21:58am
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fern01  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:21:59am

re: #129 Anymouse 🌹

I have a shotgun. I am not interested in shooting anyone. I would be quite willing to register it or get a title for it if such things were required.

The idea that any fool should own a gun is well, foolish. Only recently has the II Amendment been interpreted that way.

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I did forget to mention those who own guns for legal reasons - farmers in particular are registered gun owners. Registered guns are kept in gun safes, ammunition must be kept separately etc etc. I descend from landowners and my grandparents owned many guns. As a child who often stayed with them - I NEVER saw any guns.

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Nyet  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:22:43am

re: #132 fern01

As for the police definition of “terrorism” - someone who kills 20 people and injures 100 is “not a terrorist”?

Terrorist is not simply a mass murderer.

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sagehen  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:23:14am

re: #134 Nyet

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I suppose it’s possible people under 30, or who’ve never read sci-fi, would be unfamiliar with the word “grok”.

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fern01  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:23:38am

re: #131 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

the government registers millions of illegals and buys their votes with promises of free stuff.

why do I have to explain the obvious to you?

/

I obviously do not speak wingnut - much education needed :)

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Nyet  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:24:22am

re: #137 sagehen

I suppose it’s possible people under 30, or who’ve never read sci-fi, would be unfamiliar with the word “grok”.

Well, I’ve never read that book by Heinlein. I learned the word through the Internet osmosis.

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fern01  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:24:45am

re: #136 Nyet

Terrorist is not simply a mass murderer.

Well it sure terrifies me - so terrorism

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:25:30am

re: #130 sagehen

Over 60 years old… that’s pretty unusual for a mass shooting.

Shooter at congressional baseball practice earlier this year was in his mid-60s

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Nyet  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:26:01am

re: #140 fern01

Well it sure terrifies me - so terrorism

It doesn’t work that way.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:26:10am
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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:26:19am

Clark County Sheriff giving an update, noting that lots of rumour control is floating around the Interwebz. No explosives (other than the single one their SWAT team used to gain entry to the shooter’s room in the hotel), no multiple hotels involved, &c.

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ozharas  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:26:28am

re: #123 fern01

There are no doubts that people still have guns - they mainly use them to shoot themselves, their family or other criminals. Don’t believe that the laws are not working. Children can go to school, college, concerts and virtually anywhere without fear of being caught up in a gun massacre.

It’s more than that - I live in Melbourne, 2nd biggest in Australia, and I’ve never seen a gun apart from on a police officer. I don’t know anyone who has a gun, wouldn’t have a clue how to go about getting a license, have never seen or have any idea of where people buy a gun from, have never seen a gun or gun sale advertised, etc, etc.

Basically, guns do not register at all in the frame of reference for average Aussies.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:26:58am

re: #137 sagehen

I suppose it’s possible people under 30, or who’ve never read sci-fi, would be unfamiliar with the word “grok”.

I do feel like a stranger in a strange land, though.

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:27:46am

re: #126 FormerDirtDart

Can you hear the weeping of the knuckle-dragging idiots who were hoping that the shooter was her husband?

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:27:52am
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fern01  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:28:51am

re: #142 Nyet

It doesn’t work that way.

Does for me.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:30:00am
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FormerDirtDart  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:30:26am
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Nyet  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:30:39am

re: #149 fern01

And of course the hate tweets of the president* are forgotten as the US media has somewhere else to concentrate its “one at a time” event.

Does for me.

Actually it doesn’t. Your feelings tell nothing about the perpetrator’s motives.

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freetoken  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:30:45am

re: #148 FormerDirtDart

Yup. Everything from 4chan to twitter are overflowing with idiocy.

I notice a number of the spouters have PePe in their avatar.

A coincidence, I’m sure.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:32:47am
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fern01  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:33:49am

re: #152 Nyet

Actually it doesn’t. Your feelings tell nothing about the perpetrator’s motives.

ANYONE who turns up with a gun and shoots uncontrollably at a random group of people has a motive that indicates terror. As usual this is my last post to you on this topic. You just go on and on and on and on.

To me he is a terrorist. To you he is a shooter. I see no difference. You see some sort of difference.

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alloutofcrazyhere  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:34:45am

Have we gotten to this point on the cable new channels yet this morning?

If not, I am sure they’ll get around to it.

I only say this as I refuse to pay for cable at this point, so I am honestly asking.

On a positive note, at least my local news here will be worth watching for once to get information that is not weather related.

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Nyet  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:34:58am

re: #155 fern01

ANYONE who turns up with a gun and shoots uncontrollably at a random group of people has a motive that indicates terror. As usual this is my last post to you on this topic. You just go on and on and on and on.

To me he is a terrorist. To you he is a shooter. I see no difference. You see some sort of difference.

You might want to look up the definition of terrorism before you embarrass yourself any further.

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fern01  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:35:12am

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:35:29am

re: #132 fern01

As for the police definition of “terrorism” - someone who kills 20 people and injures 100 is “not a terrorist”?

Terrorism as defined as more than simply a mass-murder, even with a machine gun.

To be terrorism, the act must also include an element of ideology, such as religion or politics, to coerce behaviour.

It is most certainly terrifying, but without the shooter’s motive (for example, political statement, or a very dramatic suicide by cop), we cannot say if it is an act of terrorism.

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Nyet  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:36:27am

re: #159 Anymouse 🌹

Exactly.

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freetoken  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:36:49am

re: #154 FormerDirtDart

One reason I didn’t retire to NV - don’t want to live in a park full of old guys with guns all over the place, listening to who knows what crackpot on AM radio in the early morning hours.

That’s a bit snarky but also true. Far too many unstable people in this country, and many of them have guns. Lots of guns.

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fern01  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:37:14am

re: #157 Nyet

You might want to look up the definition of terrorism before you embarrass yourself any further.

I am not in any way embarrassed by anything to do with a gunman causing terror. You might want to stop the insults

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:37:28am

On CNN, Sheriff just announced 50 dead, 200+ injured

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:37:47am

re: #154 FormerDirtDart

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“No priors” would point to an ideological motive, especially for someone 64 years old.

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alloutofcrazyhere  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:37:49am

Local news now saying 50 dead and 200+ injured. I really hope that’s not right.

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Nyet  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:39:16am

re: #162 fern01

I am not in any way embarrassed by anything to do with a gunman causing terror. You might want to stop the insults

Hey, what happened to “As usual this is my last post to you on this topic”?

And do look up the definition of terrorism, because you seem to be under impression that it simply means “causing terror in people” and on that basis try to correct people who actually know better.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:39:39am

re: #164 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

“No priors” would point to an ideological motive, especially for someone 64 years old.

Not necessarily. It does seem unusual though.

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(Bert the Turtle)  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:40:17am

It’s times like these that I really wish there was a god. And she had a universal remote with one hell of a mute button.

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fern01  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:40:38am

re: #166 Nyet

Hey, what happened to “As usual this is my last post to you on this topic”?

And do look up the definition of terrorism, because you seem to be under impression that it simply means “causing terror in people” and on that basis try to correct people who actually know better.

I don’t take kindly to being insulted - you NEVER stop with the insults

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:41:05am

As I saw earlier, there were something near 40,000 people attending the event

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:42:22am

re: #155 fern01

I hear what you are saying but while every shooting is terrorizing to those present, not every shooting is an act of terrorism. We need to wait and find out what his motives, if any, were. He could be nuts, he could be losing his house because of a gambling problem, he could be a political nutjob or whatever.

Let this unfold and make an assessment when more facts are in.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:42:31am

CNN reporting Marilou Danley has been located

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:43:10am

re: #170 FormerDirtDart

As I saw earlier, there were something near 40,000 people attending the event

With the crowd packed that tightly for an outdoor concert, and someone spraying gunfire from above with an automatic weapon, it would seem that nearly every bullet would hit someone.

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Nyet  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:43:22am

re: #169 fern01

I don’t take kindly to being insulted - you NEVER stop with the insults

I don’t take kindly to aggressive ignorance and I hadn’t insulted you before you started being an asshole in #155.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:43:36am
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Odie Hugh Manatee  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:45:22am

re: #164 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

I’m trying to figure out what ideological bent would be satisfied by opening fire at a country music show.

I mean, I don’t like country music but … ;)

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sagehen  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:45:22am

So already higher body count than Pulse nightclub… and the numbers are probably not final.

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freetoken  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:47:23am

re: #176 Odie Hugh Manatee

Unless the shooter left written or recorded statements, it may never be possible to really know what was intended.

If this guy had no other records, then it is a quandary.

I will note that even though “mental illness is so easily bandied about, as we age the onset of dementia or small strokes can alter a personality.

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ozharas  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:47:26am

re: #165 alloutofcrazyhere

Local news now saying 50 dead and 200+ injured. I really hope that’s not right.

Horrific.

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alloutofcrazyhere  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:48:13am

I am usually a very level-headed person, but this country and its gun policies are imho moronic on their best days.

Not to stereotype too much, but this guy is from Mesquite if I am hearing it correctly, and that sorta makes sense if you are familiar with Nevada.

Mesquite is a pretty “redneck” place where I’d expect a “protect yourself from the tyrannical government” type of gun loon to live.

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:49:12am

re: #178 freetoken

They have his roomie, Marilou. She may be able to shed some light on it.

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fern01  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:50:40am

re: #171 Odie Hugh Manatee

I hear what you are saying but while every shooting is terrorizing to those present, not every shooting is an act of terrorism. We need to wait and find out what his motives, if any, were. He could be nuts, he could be losing his house because of a gambling problem, he could be a political nutjob or whatever.

Let this unfold and make an assessment when more facts are in.

I understand what you are saying & I appreciate how you say it - but the definition of terrorism that I use is - someone who causes terror - whether it be for political reasons, idealism reasons or because he had a fight with his mother, wife, child this morning or for any of the reasons you mention.

The pundits are saying this was well planned & executed, it wasn’t something that happened because of convenience/access/a moment in time. I don’t know how else to describe it other than terrorism.

Whatever - it is horrendous - death toll could well be more than ours in Tasmania which ushered in our current gun control laws. I’ll just go away for a while and contemplate privately what on earth is happening in our world.

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freetoken  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:52:41am

re: #180 alloutofcrazyhere

I am usually a very level-headed person, but this country and its gun policies are imho moronic on their best days.

When the police reports come in we will know what kind of weapon(s) it was. What if the weapon(s) in use were in fact legal in NV? Will this event force the politicians there to do something?

Probably not.

Even if the weapon is already illegal, the question will become how can a 64 year old with no priors so easily find such a weapon. Probably through friends who are gun nuts.

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alloutofcrazyhere  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:52:54am

Trying to inject some humor into a bad situation, but does this mean that the yam is going to pay a visit?

I guess it’s good for once that he’s an uncaring sociopath.

The real losers here, other than the dead and injured, will be the Puerto Rico story disappearing off of the news cycle.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:53:06am

re: #181 Odie Hugh Manatee

They have his roomie, Marilou. She may be able to shed some light on it.

Now that they know who he is, the police can also ask friends, family members, &c., search social media posts if he has any, a cell phone if he has one, debts, outstanding bills, &c.

While they police can’t get inside his head from the moment he did this, they can probably get a pretty good idea what he was thinking about beforehand.

There is also the question of a machine gun (comparing sounds of various machine guns available at YouTube, the thing still sounds most like an AK-47 to me). Machine guns are legal but very heavily regulated.

Did the guy get this thing legally? If no, how did he get it?

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freetoken  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:54:07am

re: #184 alloutofcrazyhere

Trying to inject some humor into a bad situation, but does this mean that the yam is going to pay a visit?

We’re a few minutes away from his usual tweet time. Soon we will find out what comes across the twitter from the golf course.

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VegasGolfer  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:56:10am

re: #161 freetoken

One reason I didn’t retire to NV - don’t want to live in a park full of old guys with guns all over the place, listening to who knows what crackpot on AM radio in the early morning hours.

That’s a bit snarky but also true. Far too many unstable people in this country, and many of them have guns. Lots of guns.

Where I live, I have never seen anybody walking around with a sidearm. You go up to where this person lives, there will be many more people likely to have many weapons, open carrying etc. And just south from there is Bunkerville, where assholes like Cliven Bundy live.
Thats not to say people like me don’t have weapons, we just don’t advertise them and certainly don’t fetishize them like 2nd amendment rwnj’s do.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:56:25am
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Scout  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:56:46am

OK, so how’s this for a scenario? The perpetrators of this heinous act are white Americans.

The right-wing nut jobs, despondent they can’t blame Muslims, pronounce it to be a “false flag operation.”

The orange shitgibbon buys into it and starts retweeting Alex Jones et al.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:57:21am

re: #182 fern01

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The pundits are saying this was well planned & executed, it wasn’t something that happened because of convenience/access/a moment in time. I don’t know how else to describe it other than terrorism.

Whatever - it is horrendous - death toll could well be more than ours in Tasmania which ushered in our current gun control laws. I’ll just go away for a while and contemplate privately what on earth is happening in our world.

How would “pundits” know what well-planned is? It doesn’t seem that this would be much more difficult than tote a gun and a bunch of ammunition up to a room. That doesn’t take a lot of planning.

The only “planning” part that seems would be hard is where to get a machine gun. Unless it was not his own, then some research would be required, but not planning.

Use of machine guns in crimes has been extremely rare since the Thirties when heavy restrictions were passed against possessing them without special permitting.

Now if this gun came in from outside the country, that would indicate some planning. Despite loose gun laws in the nation, getting them in is a whole ‘nother story.

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:58:19am

re: #182 fern01

While you may believe that your interpretation is the correct one, it’s not the interpretation just about everyone else is operating on. Regarding what the pundits say, do you really believe that news outlets are going to correctly interpret what happened immediately after it happened? No, they want eyes, ears and clicks. Don’t rush to judgment, let the wingnuts do that.

There is no doubt that the people there were terrorized, no doubt about that at all. Whether or not it was an act of terrorism remains to be seen.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 2, 2017 • 3:58:51am

Typically, Trump would have issued his first tweet of the day by now.

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Nyet  Oct 2, 2017 • 4:00:03am

re: #189 Scout

The right-wing nut jobs, despondent they can’t blame Muslims, pronounce it to be a “false flag operation.”

Let me check twitter. They’re probably foaming right now.

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freetoken  Oct 2, 2017 • 4:00:04am

re: #192 FormerDirtDart

Usually around 4AM Pacific time, but there have been days where he’s put off tweeting until later.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 4:00:33am

re: #187 VegasGolfer

Where I live, I have never seen anybody walking around with a sidearm. You go up to where this person lives, there will be many more people likely to have many weapons, open carrying etc. And just south from there is Bunkerville, where assholes like Cliven Bundy live.
Thats not to say people like me don’t have weapons, we just don’t advertise them and certainly don’t fetishize them like 2nd amendment rwnj’s do.

Yup. Nebraska is an open-carry state, but we don’t have nutjobs doing that here, either. Occasionally I will see someone walking down toward the river or up into the Sandhills with a rifle to go hunting, or someone taking a gun in a case out to go in or out of the gun shop around the corner from my house, but that’s it.

No wingnuts slinging a firearm in a grocery store or restaurant (and if someone did, I would be right out the door).

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Nyet  Oct 2, 2017 • 4:00:49am

re: #193 Nyet

Well, there you go.

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freetoken  Oct 2, 2017 • 4:02:38am

I over-wintered in Scottsdale once, and remember driving on the freeway north of Phoenix and seeing this old guy driving but at the same time pointing what looked to be a short shotgun at someone he was road raging against.

We’re a nation full of these people.

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Nyet  Oct 2, 2017 • 4:02:45am
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Nyet  Oct 2, 2017 • 4:03:54am

OK last one, but there are probably 1000s right now.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 4:04:26am

re: #198 Nyet

Communist propaganda?

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alloutofcrazyhere  Oct 2, 2017 • 4:05:17am

re: #183 freetoken

There was a new gun regulation policy on the ballot in 2016 that passed, but the governor struck it down.

Unfortunately, I don’t remember the specifics of it, but it was pretty common sense and nothing dramatic.

If the voters approve it in the next voting cycle, it’ll be law regardless of the governor’s intentions/actions.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 4:06:44am
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FormerDirtDart  Oct 2, 2017 • 4:07:39am
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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 4:08:38am
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Nyet  Oct 2, 2017 • 4:09:24am

How very progressive and not at all racist.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 2, 2017 • 4:13:02am
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alloutofcrazyhere  Oct 2, 2017 • 4:14:56am

re: #203 FormerDirtDart

Ah yes, I love when politicians offer the “thoughts and prayers” line.

It’s not like they can’t do anything to help lessen the chance of a tragedy like this from happening … or something something.

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alloutofcrazyhere  Oct 2, 2017 • 4:16:56am

re: #206 FormerDirtDart

At least he isn’t using twitter for free advertising for his gaudy Trump hotel here.

Yet.

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I cannot.  Oct 2, 2017 • 4:18:20am
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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 4:20:52am

Back in 1927 was the worst mass school killing in the USA, the Bath School Disaster. (Bath, Michigan is only a few miles from where I grew up.)

That involved setting up the whole school with explosives (dynamite and Pyrotol, which at that time anyone could buy), after the guy killed his wife.

The police surmised from him burning down his farm, killing his wife, blowing up half the school, and blowing up his truck that he was protesting losing a local election and personal and financial stress.

Within a year, all dynamite and Pyrotol was removed for sale from stores across the country, and license procedures were implemented to obtain them.

Nowadays with shootings, it’s “well, we can’t do anything” or “it’s too soon to talk about this.”

If Sandy Hook and Columbine and such didn’t move the “family values party” to attempt something at all, this won’t either.

They truly are a death cult.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 2, 2017 • 4:22:30am

Don’t forget to reset your clocks today

Because it is once again “too soon” to talk about guns in America

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Nyet  Oct 2, 2017 • 4:24:06am

re: #211 FormerDirtDart

Don’t forget to reset your clocks today

Because it is once again “too soon” to talk about guns in America

If there’s a mass-shooting a day, there’ll never be time to talk about them.

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Weaselone  Oct 2, 2017 • 4:24:53am

re: #199 Nyet

OK last one, but there are probably 1000s right now.

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I’m fairly certain that one mocking the left and right wing conspiracy nuts who jump to these sorts of conclusions.

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alloutofcrazyhere  Oct 2, 2017 • 4:25:41am

re: #211 FormerDirtDart

Another great one is the, “Warggglegarbbble good guy with a gun….”

Ranks right up there with the “invisible hand” of the free market crapola.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 2, 2017 • 4:25:56am

“warmest” condolences. Jesus Christ.

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Nyet  Oct 2, 2017 • 4:26:17am

re: #213 Weaselone

I’m fairly certain that one mocking the left and right wing conspiracy nuts who jump to these sorts of conclusions.

That was my first thought before I checked his TL.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 4:27:40am
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Weaselone  Oct 2, 2017 • 4:28:46am

re: #212 Nyet

If there’s a mass-shooting a day, there’ll never be time to talk about them.

Doesn’t take that sort of frequency. Number of days after a mass shooting in which you cant talk about gun control = 7 + deaths + 1/2 injured + shut up libtard

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Weaselone  Oct 2, 2017 • 4:29:30am

re: #216 Nyet

That was my first thought before I checked his TL.

I sit corrected.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 2, 2017 • 4:30:17am
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Nyet  Oct 2, 2017 • 4:34:43am

re: #219 Weaselone

I sit corrected.

Now that I have scrolled even further down, I suspect that our first inklings were correct after all, since he seems to mock 9/11 truthers. But if so, that’s some ultra-deadpan humor.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 4:37:08am

This schmuck put up a seizure-inducing gif on Twitter that starts automatically on the Mandalay Bay hashtag.

This user needs to be flagged into oblivion.

Behind the privacy bar. If the MAGAnuts are going to start doing that again, I guess I’ll stay away from Twitter again.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Oct 2, 2017 • 4:42:18am

Lubbockite con-serf-tifs weigh in:

Yeah, because “Marylou” is such a common Muslim name.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Oct 2, 2017 • 4:50:31am
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Odie Hugh Manatee  Oct 2, 2017 • 4:50:56am

re: #224 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

They do both start with “M”, right? Simple minds and all that.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 2, 2017 • 4:51:49am

re: #225 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

In retrospect Sandy Hook marked the end of the US gun control debate. Once America decided killing children was bearable, it was over.

I saw nothing positive come out of that, and America showed that it had no teachable moments when it comes to gun fetishery

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 2, 2017 • 4:53:05am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 2, 2017 • 4:54:44am

re: #228 FormerDirtDart

‘Deepest, not warmest’: Internet blasts Trump for awkward ‘warmest condolences’ to Vegas shooting victims

I also found that formulation to be rather inappropriate, awkward or simply insincere and not thought out at all…

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Oct 2, 2017 • 4:57:08am

re: #229 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I also found that formulation to be rather inappropriate, awkward or simply insincere and not thought out at all…

It’s Trump so replace “or” with “and”.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 4:58:02am

re: #229 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I also found that formulation to be rather inappropriate, awkward or simply insincere and not thought out at all…

“My condolences” is the usual framing for that … it is personal.

I don’t know what Donald Trump’s problem with English is now, because recordings of him from past appearances on the radio and television show him to be more articulate.

It’s not just his use of Twitter either; on television or radio today his English is just as mangled.

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Mike Lamb  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:04:00am

It will only be a false flag if the shooter wasn’t a registered Democrat.

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I cannot.  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:04:33am

re: #231 Anymouse 🌹

You’re watching him? You are a stronger person than I…or a more chemically “fortified” person.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:06:38am

Wake up and CBS news is reporting on this massacre. Not a good way to start the day.
Now I see President Dolt 45’s tweet.

50 more dead thanks to the Tiny Pee Pee Club and their enablers in the GOP who want to pass a law legalizing silencers. This madness is going to continue until the guns are turned on the rich.

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Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:06:58am

re: #232 Mike Lamb

It will only be a false flag if the shooter wasn’t a registered Democrat.

Well yeah, they missed every other tick box:

- Brown/Black
- Muslim/BLM
- Jihadi/”Thug”
- Immigrant/Out-of-prison

So they’re going to go for “He was a life-long Democrat” or “He was mentally ill.”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:07:48am

re: #228 FormerDirtDart

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“warmest condolences” my CENSORED a$$…

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:10:34am

There is a Trump tweet for everything, and this one isn’t very old:

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b.d. (bill d.)  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:11:21am

re: #236 Joe Bacon 🌹

“warmest condolences” my CENSORED a$$…

I’m afraid that may be the high point for Trump for the day, as soon as the NFL ratings come out then he’ll start talking about those.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:11:38am

We will hear the honchos at the Tiny Pee Pee club BS about the Tree of Liberty being fed again just like they say at every mass shooting.

This is the reality of who belongs to the Tiny Pee Pee Club!

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:12:16am
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Mike Lamb  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:12:27am

Next question…is the fact that this happened in the middle of the night and that the WH likely had some information on the shooter when Fuckface was briefed the only thing that prevented Fuckface from sending out tweets about Muslim terrorism?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:15:50am

My dad and step mom live in Vegas. If I had to guess I’d say they weren’t there but I am going to call and check on them shortly.

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Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:15:53am

re: #239 Joe Bacon 🌹

We will hear the honchos at the Tiny Pee Pee club BS about the Tree of Liberty being fed again just like they say at every mass shooting.

This is the reality of who belongs to the Tiny Pee Pee Club!

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Not to worry, they’ll start in about how the gun was no doubt illegally owned because no legal gun owner would do such a thing…until it turns out that it was perfectly legal from A to Z, at which point they’ll shift gears without a clutch and start attacking people for suggesting that any gun laws were broken.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:16:51am

So we have a new worst mass shooting just two years after the last worst mass shooting.

This is not a good trend.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:17:12am

Man how awful. What news to wake up to.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:17:32am

re: #244 Eclectic Cyborg

So we have a new worst mass shooting just two years after the last worst mass shooting.

This is not a good trend.

Good point.

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electrotek  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:17:35am

Jesus Christ

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electrotek  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:19:08am

She’s reaching here:

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:20:03am

re: #247 electrotek

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Jesus Christ

The Republican 24/7 Bullshit Machine never stops…

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:20:19am

I suspect Jim Wright will be writing another of his “Bang Bang Crazy” series over at stonekettle.com

Meanwhile, more nonsense from the conservative Brain Trust at Twitter:

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:21:31am

re: #248 electrotek

She’s reaching here:

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Uh if they want to play that game, Christians visit Israel all the time. And the many people involved with the oil industry. As for it being a country music concert, I think the fact it was a large concert in Vegas is more relevant so yeah she’s stretching.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:21:54am

re: #250 Anymouse 🌹

I suspect Jim Wright will be writing another of his “Bang Bang Crazy” series over at stonekettle.com

Meanwhile, more nonsense from the conservative Brain Trust at Twitter:

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Did they give that ass 280 characters as well?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:22:08am

re: #250 Anymouse 🌹

I suspect Jim Wright will be writing another of his “Bang Bang Crazy” series over at stonekettle.com

Meanwhile, more nonsense from the conservative Brain Trust at Twitter:

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Jesus Christ. Yep Soros did this. You totally got him.//

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alloutofcrazyhere  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:22:14am

Gotta love this country sometimes …

Right to bear arms … Absolutely!

Right to healthcare … *Crickets*

Oh what irony, I am watching the local news here in Vegas, and the reporter is out near the scene doing her thing, and there’s a large billboard in the background that says “Gun Show -October 7-8th.”

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:24:00am

Because of course SMOTI

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:25:03am

I hate this fucking country sometimes.

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Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:25:12am

I love how, in the Trump-era, wingnuts have stopped using the ol’ “Let’s wait for more facts” BS.

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Belafon  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:25:37am

Here, once again, is my real simple ban: all clips that can hold more than ten rounds, all automatic weapons or any weapon that can easily modified to an automatic weapon.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:26:09am

re: #255 The Vicious Babushka

Because of course SMOTI

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He’s a fucking ghoul. And the right has the nerve to accuse people on the left of politicizing shootings.

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:28:03am

re: #232 Mike Lamb

I’ve already checked out a few of my favorite crazy shit holes that I like to cruise to take the pulse of racist asshole pasty-colored Americans, I mean conservatives. and you are spot on. One idiot is claiming it was a Native American and most others are saying if it’s a white guy then it’s either a “lib” or a false flag op. More than a few are already running with false flag. One black member (it’s a racing community) is harassing the shit out of them about the shit they would be saying if the guy was black.

He’s having a blast.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:28:07am

re: #255 The Vicious Babushka

Because of course SMOTI

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Trash like that makes me want to see the US adopt British-style libel laws.

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Citizen K  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:29:28am

‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens , Pt. ∞

Just….numb. Holy shit.

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alloutofcrazyhere  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:32:04am

re: #262 Citizen K

Some guy locally just said exactly that.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:32:55am

We do need to seriously reevaluate our gun laws.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:34:00am

Conservatism is a social disease.

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alloutofcrazyhere  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:34:14am

re: #264 HappyWarrior

Didn’t you hear, it’s too soon to talk about that!

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:34:50am

re: #262 Citizen K

‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens , Pt. ∞

Just….numb. Holy shit.

And I’ll chime in with Czech firearms laws. You can own a firearm here…..it’s not so free and easy as in the USA, but these kind of atrocities are exceedingly rare here.

A gun in the Czech Republic is available to anybody subject to acquiring a shall issue firearms license first. Gun licenses may be obtained in a way very similar to a driving license - by passing a gun proficiency exam, medical examination and having a clean criminal record. Unlike in most other European countries, the Czech gun legislation also permits a citizen to carry a concealed weapon for self-defense - 240,000 out of some 300,000 legal gun owners have concealed carry permit. Vast majority of Czech gun owners possess their firearms for protection, with hunting and sport shooting being less common.

en.wikipedia.org

I have a few students who have a concealed carry permit - and there isn’t one of them I wouldn’t trust with a firearm.

Just sayin’.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:36:48am

I’m so sick and sad about what’s happening to our country.

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Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:36:54am

re: #255 The Vicious Babushka

Because of course SMOTI

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Here’s the cached version of the story before Dim Jim deleted it. It’s easy to see why it was deleted: He pulled it just as soon as the LVPD identified Stephen Paddock as the shooter, because originally the wingnut collective went with the idea that if Marilou Danley was involved, then her hubby (who they quickly found on social media) must be the shooter.

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Nyet  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:38:33am

re: #265 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Conservatism is a social disease.

Quite often a mental one too.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:38:50am

re: #255 The Vicious Babushka

Because of course SMOTI

He’ll run a correction, apologizing for the BS story, right?

///

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Citizen K  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:39:28am

re: #267 Dr Lizardo

And I’ll chime in with Czech firearms laws. You can own a firearm here…..it’s not so free and easy as in the USA, but these kind of atrocities are exceedingly rare here.

en.wikipedia.org

I have a few students who have a concealed carry permit - and there isn’t one of them I wouldn’t trust with a firearm.

Just sayin’.

See, here’s the problem: in many states, you don’t have to prove proficiency or responsibility with the weapon to own them. Any nut with money and time to wait can get one without having to prove you can use it or prove you can be responsible for it. And what states that have those requirements have seen them pared back, all for the sake of ‘freedom’.

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Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:39:32am

re: #271 Sir John Barron

He’ll run a correction, apologizing for the BS story, right?

///

No, he did what he always does: He dumped it down the memory hole and hoped that nobody other than his brain-dead fans saw it.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:39:32am

re: #269 Targetpractice

And wow! It’s a “guest post” by SMOTI’s brother. And we just discovered yesterday that SMOTI’s brother is every bit the brain dead moron that SMOTI is!

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Sir John Barron  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:40:44am

re: #247 electrotek

Country music fans are generally white, patriotic, & love America the same as me.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:42:02am

re: #248 electrotek

There is still a connection to Islam

If it’s just some lone wolf then don’t politicize this but there’s a chance we can still blame it on Islam.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:42:23am
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I cannot.  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:42:47am

re: #274 Joe Bacon 🌹

SBOTIs! Stupidest Bros On The Internet…how do you pronounce SBOTI?

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(Bert the Turtle)  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:42:49am

re: #269 Targetpractice

Jesus. The comments are insane.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:43:04am

re: #277 FormerDirtDart

Are you f0cking kidding me? 50?

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Nyet  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:43:05am

re: #269 Targetpractice

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alloutofcrazyhere  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:43:05am

Now saying 400+ total taken to the hospital. Least that’s what the local news is saying.

Guess we’ll see how that holds up.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:43:05am

re: #272 Citizen K

See, here’s the problem: in many states, you don’t have to prove proficiency or responsibility with the weapon to own them. Any nut with money and time to wait can get one without having to prove you can use it or prove you can be responsible for it. And what states that have those requirements have seen them pared back, all for the sake of ‘freedom’.

I suppose the usual crowd would be screaming about TYRANNY!! if someone proposed similar Federal firearms laws in the USA.

Hell, Texas would probably try to secede, LOL.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:43:57am

re: #278 I cannot.

SBOTIs! Stupidest Bros On The Internet…how do you pronounce SBOTI?

‘Sboatee.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:44:04am

These are the most horrible garbage people on earth==>

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:44:56am

re: #278 I cannot.

SBOTIs! Stupidest Bros On The Internet…how do you pronounce SBOTI?

Oh, I think “B”-hole is the correct pronunciation since neither of them has what it takes to be an “A”-hole!

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:45:05am

re: #185 Anymouse 🌹

There is also the question of a machine gun (comparing sounds of various machine guns available at YouTube, the thing still sounds most like an AK-47 to me). Machine guns are legal but very heavily regulated.

Sounds like an AK-74 to me, slow rate of fire. I am not going to post any youtube vids to back that up.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:46:00am

re: #285 The Vicious Babushka

These are the most horrible garbage people on earth==>

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Ah, 4Chan……the Internet cesspit for angsty teen edgelords and shitposters.

*headdesk*

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jeffreyw  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:46:27am

Imgur


Good morning!

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:46:37am

re: #285 The Vicious Babushka

These are the most horrible garbage people on earth==>

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Worse than SMOTI even. JFC. What such disregard for lives.

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:46:44am

re: #269 Targetpractice

When I saw the pic of her husband, my first thought was “That doesn’t look like a killer”. I’m glad to see that my assessment was correct. I’m interested in seeing the face of this killer.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:47:09am

re: #285 The Vicious Babushka

These are the most horrible garbage people on earth==>

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Sick, sick freaks.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:47:21am

re: #285 The Vicious Babushka

Like I said: I fucking hate this country sometimes.

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Nyet  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:48:08am

re: #293 Eclectic Cyborg

Like I said: I fucking hate this country sometimes.

It’s 4chan. Not America.

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dangerman  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:48:34am

re: #274 Joe Bacon 🌹

And wow! It’s a “guest post” by SMOTI’s brother. And we just discovered yesterday that SMOTI’s brother is every bit the brain dead moron that SMOTI is!

It’s a franchise

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:49:05am

re: #293 Eclectic Cyborg

Like I said: I fucking hate this country sometimes.

It’s stuff like this that makes me afraid that this country has passed the point of no return and the implosion and collapse are coming…

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Sir John Barron  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:49:20am

re: #285 The Vicious Babushka

These are the most horrible garbage people on earth==>

Are they cheering the concert deaths or is this something else?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:50:24am

re: #297 Sir John Barron

Are they cheering the concert deaths or is this something else?

They’re treating it like a real-life version of Death Race 2000!

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:51:04am
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Dr Lizardo  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:52:47am

Back later……….back to work.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:52:54am

re: #199 Nyet

An Obama, Hillary, & Soros false flag

C’mon, guys. Pick one.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:52:55am

To add to below, just a minute ago on CNN they announced she appears to be out of the country

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:53:18am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:54:28am

re: #301 Sir John Barron

C’mon, guys. Pick one.

The Tiny Penis Club has already selected all three…

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:54:47am

re: #297 Sir John Barron

Are they cheering the concert deaths or is this something else?

Looks like cheering to me.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:54:58am

re: #304 Joe Bacon 🌹

The Tiny Penis Club has already selected all three…

Bingo!

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:55:54am

re: #289 jeffreyw

Store bought or home made cat tree?

The reason I ask is because I build these and I was wondering what the price point I could put them at. The scratching post is made from a 3” diameter pvc pipe wrapped with sisal rope. Cats love it.

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:56:37am

re: #303 The Vicious Babushka

From news I have read the Clark County Sheriff says that Paddock is known to them and has a criminal past, though none of it in Nevada.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:57:13am

So, assholes post fake news, delete it and then claim it’s “proof”

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:58:55am

Yes, the little fakenews bots have their marching orders

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 2, 2017 • 5:59:57am

I’m going to go ahead and guess this shooter will be dismissed as “mentally ill”

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 2, 2017 • 6:00:34am

re: #308 Odie Hugh Manatee

From news I have read, the Clark County Sheriff says that Paddock is known to them and has a criminal past, though none of it in Nevada.

I’m watching the Sheriff right now, just said he had a “citation” a number of years ago, and it was dealt with through normal channels (or words to that effect)

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 6:00:35am

re: #310 The Vicious Babushka

Yes, the little fakenews bots have their marching orders

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And how many Russian bots are getting in on the action?

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Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2017 • 6:02:25am

re: #311 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m going to go ahead and guess this shooter will be dismissed as “mentally ill”

That appears to be “old & busted.” The “new hotness” is claiming every shooter is a Jihadi (Muslim), BLM (Black), or Antifa (White).

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 2, 2017 • 6:03:11am
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Sir John Barron  Oct 2, 2017 • 6:03:24am

re: #310 The Vicious Babushka

Yes, the little fakenews bots have their marching orders

So do they claim to have found this guy’s FB page or other social media accounts?

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 2, 2017 • 6:05:10am

re: #316 Sir John Barron

So has this guy’s FB page been found or other social media accounts mined for political affiliation?

Pretty sure the little botchicks are making up fake social media accounts.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 2, 2017 • 6:06:00am

This guy (Fox News calls him “just a guy”) does not seem to be the type who would have an active social media profile.

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dangerman  Oct 2, 2017 • 6:06:05am

Here Are All The Hoaxes Being Spread About The Las Vegas Shooting

Buzzfeed

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William Lewis  Oct 2, 2017 • 6:06:29am

re: #267 Dr Lizardo

And I’ll chime in with Czech firearms laws. You can own a firearm here…..it’s not so free and easy as in the USA, but these kind of atrocities are exceedingly rare here.

en.wikipedia.org

I have a few students who have a concealed carry permit - and there isn’t one of them I wouldn’t trust with a firearm.

Just sayin’.

I would love to see the Czech laws here. Especially the psych test, the first aid test and the weapon handling tests before being licensed.

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Citizen K  Oct 2, 2017 • 6:08:04am

Welp.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Oct 2, 2017 • 6:09:27am

Something else to hate about nuclear weapons: They cannot be used to destroy 4chan. The Russian bots, on the other hand…….

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 2, 2017 • 6:09:49am

OK, done with the news for a while.
No one knows anything, nor will they for hours

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dangerman  Oct 2, 2017 • 6:10:35am

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Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2017 • 6:10:45am

re: #321 Citizen K

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Welp.

He’s white, hence he can’t be a terrorist.

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ObserverArt  Oct 2, 2017 • 6:12:03am

WTF America??? I am stunned.

Seems to me this episode may throw all of our “thinking” about guns, terrorists, politics and fellow Americans right out the window.

(I put guns first for reasons)

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I Would Prefer Not To  Oct 2, 2017 • 6:12:30am

THIS SEEMS TO REFLECT THE WORLD WE LIVE IN:

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Oct 2, 2017 • 6:13:02am

re: #312 FormerDirtDart

This is the quote I read:

A report via NBC News cited Clark County Sheriff Joseph Lombardo saying Paddock had a criminal past and was known to local law enforcement. Public records do not show any criminal convictions for Paddock in Nevada.

Thanks for the clarification!

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Sir John Barron  Oct 2, 2017 • 6:14:05am

re: #327 I Would Prefer Not To

THIS SEEMS TO REFLECT THE WORLD WE LIVE IN:

Fake News Media covering up for antifa!

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 2, 2017 • 6:15:19am
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Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2017 • 6:16:35am

re: #328 Odie Hugh Manatee

This is the quote I read:

Thanks for the clarification!

The running theme is if you’re white you’ve a “history” with law enforcement but shockingly no arrests or jail time (which would restrict or ban you from owning a firearm), but if you’re black then you’ve a long criminal record (of speeding tickets and missed court appearances).

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 2, 2017 • 6:16:56am

re: #330 FormerDirtDart

Serenity now, serenity now

Happy Dogs Having a Minions Birthday Party!

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lawhawk  Oct 2, 2017 • 6:18:43am

Another day in paradise. Another mass shooting and this one is now the deadliest in American history. USA USA USA.

Fuck the NRA and Fuck the GOP that continues to send nothing but thoughts and prayers to confront the consequences of gun violence across the nation.

But for the easy availability of firearms, this mass shooting would not have occurred.

And that goes for every other mass shooting and domestic violence homicide and suicide too.

The easy availability of guns makes this all but inevitable because the GOP and NRA wont let gun laws be tightened to restrict access to people who are mentally impaired, or otherwise shouldn’t have guns.

The GOP instead is focused on legislation to make it easier to obtain silencers for those guns.

Thoughts and prayers is a dodge and weave to avoid taking action.

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Nyet  Oct 2, 2017 • 6:18:54am

re: #321 Citizen K

The sheriff is right, until motives are known it’s not proven terrorism.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 2, 2017 • 6:20:06am

re: #334 lawhawk

Can’t wait for the next NRA video threatening the media, Democrats, RINOs, Hollywood, etc.

/

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Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2017 • 6:20:14am

Guy had 10 guns, what the NRA would label “An arsenal of freedom.”

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alloutofcrazyhere  Oct 2, 2017 • 6:20:38am

re: #334 lawhawk

What’s that old saying?

Paraphrasing here:

“If thoughts and prayers weren’t free, nobody would offer them.”

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Citizen K  Oct 2, 2017 • 6:20:41am

re: #335 Nyet

The sheriff is right, until motives are known it’s not proven terrorism.

The problem here is where comparable incidents have happened, and the officials go out of their way to state ‘terrorism hasn’t been ruled out’ and such. It’s a clearly different tone, especially where they offer up the possibility he was ‘simply distraught’. It speaks deeply toward what counts as ‘terrorism’ in our country’s psyche.

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ObserverArt  Oct 2, 2017 • 6:21:03am

re: #335 Nyet

The sheriff is right, until motives are known it’s not proven terrorism.

True, as in the way the word terrorist and terrorism seems to be used now.

But for the people there at the concert it sure was terrorism.

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Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2017 • 6:22:57am

re: #339 Citizen K

The problem here is where comparable incidents have happened, and the officials go out of their way to state ‘terrorism hasn’t been ruled out’ and such. It’s a clearly different tone, especially where they offer up the possibility he was ‘simply distraught’. It speaks deeply toward what counts as ‘terrorism’ in our country’s psyche.

Correct, when the shooter has skin darker than a paper bag, we’re informed that “terrorism has not been ruled out” or “the shooting is being investigated as a possible terrorist event.” But if the shooter is white, suddenly terrorism isn’t even spoken unless a reporter asks the question, at which time the police “don’t want to rush to any conclusions.”

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ObserverArt  Oct 2, 2017 • 6:24:07am

Oh look, Mike Pence is sending thoughts and prayers.

Yeah, that is going to help this sick fucking country.

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Nyet  Oct 2, 2017 • 6:25:48am

re: #340 ObserverArt

True, as in the way the word terrorist and terrorism seems to be used now.

But for the people there at the concert it sure was terrorism.

Terrorism either is or isn’t. We’ll probably soon know whether it was terrorism in this case. This will then also apply to the people at the concert.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 2, 2017 • 6:26:10am

re: #337 Targetpractice

Guy had 10 guns, what the NRA would label “An arsenal of freedom.”

10 guns? Has to be a false flag then. No true gun owner….

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Skip Intro  Oct 2, 2017 • 6:26:29am

re: #256 Eclectic Cyborg

I hate this fucking country sometimes.

It’s pretty much every single day for me now.

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Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2017 • 6:27:53am

re: #344 Sir John Barron

10 guns? Has to be a false flag then. No true gun owner….

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Like I said upthread, they’ll now insist that nobody could acquire and stockpile that many guns legally, until it turns out every single one was purchased and licensed lawfully, at which time they’ll give us all whiplash by getting outraged that anybody would suggest there’s anything wrong with owning that many guns.

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 2, 2017 • 6:28:30am

re: #330 FormerDirtDart

That guy must be a bachelor. I loved it!

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Skip Intro  Oct 2, 2017 • 6:28:39am

re: #264 HappyWarrior

We do need to seriously reevaluate our gun laws.

Yeah, right. Probably happen today.

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Unshaken Defiance  Oct 2, 2017 • 6:32:01am

What a thing to wake up to. Lone wolf they say, preliminary assessment to say the least. What makes a killer like that? And where did he get obviously fully automatic fire guns? Just there for the crowd, leaving the nature of the concert irrelevant.

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Citizen K  Oct 2, 2017 • 6:32:07am

re: #348 Skip Intro

Yeah, right. Probably happen today.

Unfortunately, what will probably happen is exactly what happened after Sandy Hook: gun laws will be stricken, relaxed, repealed, or otherwise erased because “more freedom”.

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Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2017 • 6:34:59am

re: #350 Citizen K

Unfortunately, what will probably happen is exactly what happened after Sandy Hook: gun laws will be stricken, relaxed, repealed, or otherwise erased because “more freedom”.

I’m rather surprised that we haven’t yet heard the “Gun-Free Zone” crowd speak up to declare that if just one person had been armed, this whole shooting never would have happened because a guy who came loaded for bear would shrink away at the possibility that a woman in the back of the crowd had a .25ACP pocket pistol tucked in her bra.

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Skip Intro  Oct 2, 2017 • 6:35:11am

re: #350 Citizen K

If only everyone at the concert was armed ……..

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Oct 2, 2017 • 6:35:40am

re: #337 Targetpractice

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Guy had 10 guns, what the NRA would label “An arsenal of freedom.”

I figured he had more than one of the full auto rifles. An AR-15 or AK-47 gets awfully hot if you fire a full mag through it full auto, hot enough to malfunction in pretty short order if you don’t let it cool, and that takes a substantial amount of time. I think he alternated guns while each one cooled in turn. I saw a retired FBI agent speculating on Fox about the seemingly long time he took for magazine changes after each barrage. The agent suggested that this was an indication of inadequate or non-existent training. I think it is more likely he was changing guns as well as mags. This raises the question of where in hell he got that many full auto rifles.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 2, 2017 • 6:36:34am

PRI’s Marketplace Morning Report dutifully checked the numbers on gunmakers. Most up 3-4% on the news.

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ObserverArt  Oct 2, 2017 • 6:36:52am

re: #352 Skip Intro

If only everyone at the concert was armed ……..

Yeah, they could all have fired back at the windows of a hotel tower of over 40 stories.

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dangerman  Oct 2, 2017 • 6:37:33am

re: #351 Targetpractice

I’m rather surprised that we haven’t yet heard the “Gun-Free Zone” crowd speak up to declare that if just one person had been armed, this whole shooting never would have happened because a guy who came loaded for bear would shrink away at the possibility that a woman in the back of the crowd had a .25ACP pocket pistol tucked in her bra.

Guy was locked in a room 32 floors up. across the road
They’re gonna have a hard time with that argument

Still I wouldn’t be surprised when inevitably some try

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alloutofcrazyhere  Oct 2, 2017 • 6:38:49am

re: #345 Skip Intro

I had a sort of facepalm sense of humor about a lot of the George W Bush presidency. It was a sense of “how did people ever think that this guy was smart enough to be president” kind of question.

The terrible treatment of Obama changed my opinion of this country permanently for the worse. Trump’s election just further cemented that.

If you aren’t outraged at this point, you either agree with what’s going on, or just have your head so far up your ass, that you could use your tongue to give yourself a colonoscopy.

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Skip Intro  Oct 2, 2017 • 6:39:02am

re: #355 ObserverArt

We could have gotten that death toll over 400.

Go USA!!! We’re Number One!!!!

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Skip Intro  Oct 2, 2017 • 6:40:58am

Who will be the first to blame football players for taking a knee for this? Fox? Limbaugh?

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Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2017 • 6:43:01am

re: #356 dangerman

Guy was locked in a room 32 floors up. across the road
They’re gonna have a hard time with that argument

Still I wouldn’t be surprised when inevitably some try

The dogma of the Cult of the Gun is that a gun is a magic totem that wards off evil, so a single gun in that crowd would have saved them all. To suggest otherwise is to question that dogma and bring down upon yourself their impotent rage and baseless accusations.

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I cannot.  Oct 2, 2017 • 6:43:33am

re: #347 Shropshire Slasher

Maybe just a grownup…

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jeffreyw  Oct 2, 2017 • 6:44:01am

re: #289 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

Damn, I wish I had read the comments to the post before I put up my good morning kitteh pic. Awful news.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 2, 2017 • 6:45:47am

So I’m curious: How many lone wolves make a pack?

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Citizen K  Oct 2, 2017 • 6:45:52am

re: #361 I cannot.

Maybe just a grownup…

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“When I grew up, I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.”

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2017 • 6:49:31am

re: #348 Skip Intro

Yeah, right. Probably happen today.

I know we will. I’m saying we need to.

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jeffreyw  Oct 2, 2017 • 6:50:02am

re: #307 Shropshire Slasher

Store bought or home made cat tree?

The reason I ask is because I build these and I was wondering what the price point I could put them at. The scratching post is made from a 3” diameter pvc pipe wrapped with sisal rope. Cats love it.

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Store bought, Mrs J says $100-$130 at Amazon as best she can recall.

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Lupin  Oct 2, 2017 • 6:50:37am

White terrorist Paddock being of English origin (from Middle English parrock ‘paddock’, ‘small enclosure’, hence a topographic name for a dweller by a paddock or enclosed meadow, or a habitational name from a place named with this word, as for example Paddock Wood in Kent), I expect a travel ban aimed at any UK visitors any day now.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 2, 2017 • 6:53:12am

Some outlets reporting more than 50 dead.

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Lupin  Oct 2, 2017 • 6:53:24am

White terrorist paddock was obvious triggered by country music (hidden messages in lyrics?). Ban all white country music immediately!

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 2, 2017 • 6:54:20am

The Fake News machine is getting the drooling masses all riled up over a “Leftist teacher” who doesn’t even exist.

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weave  Oct 2, 2017 • 6:54:45am

re: #352 Skip Intro

If only everyone at the concert was armed ……..

What would have happened would have been you’d have a lot of scared people getting shot with no idea where it was coming from, a few good guys with gun would draw their weapon looking for a shooter, other good guys with guns would see another person with a gun drawn and assume that was the shooter and start shooting. Then that good guy becomes who everyone thinks is the shooter and suddenly you have a lot of people shooting each other and the death toll goes way up.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 2, 2017 • 6:54:46am

re: #369 Lupin

Yeah I’m curious about motive on this one.

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Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2017 • 6:58:41am

re: #370 The Vicious Babushka

The Fake News machine is getting the drooling masses all riled up over a “Leftist teacher” who doesn’t even exist.

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Of course they are, I expect way more stories like this as the whole thing moves forward. They want desperately to believe that they are an oppressed people in a nation hostile towards them, so they’re going to look for any evidence they can find, which makes them ripe for people like this who manufacture it and then serve it to them in exchange for clicks.

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Weaselone  Oct 2, 2017 • 6:59:14am

re: #343 Nyet

Terrorism either is or isn’t. We’ll probably soon know whether it was terrorism in this case. This will then also apply to the people at the concert.

The sheriff was correct in not jumping to the conclusion this was a terrorist attack. What people are pointing out in the comments thread is that the media is usually not so circumspect. Whether something is described as a terrorist attack is generally highly correlated to skin color and religion.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:01:46am

Has the SMOTI’s of the world “discovered” that the shooter/terrorist is a George Soros-linked, Obama-paid staffer?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:03:02am

re: #367 Lupin

White terrorist Paddock being of English origin (from Middle English parrock ‘paddock’, ‘small enclosure’, hence a topographic name for a dweller by a paddock or enclosed meadow, or a habitational name from a place named with this word, as for example Paddock Wood in Kent), I expect a travel ban aimed at any UK visitors any day now.

His girlfriend was Australian, so add them to the ban!!!

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ObserverArt  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:03:48am

re: #368 Eclectic Cyborg

Some outlets reporting more than 50 dead.

And over 400 injured.

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Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:05:22am

re: #374 Weaselone

The sheriff was correct in not jumping to the conclusion this was a terrorist attack. What people are pointing out in the comments thread is that the media is usually not so circumspect. Whether something is described as a terrorist attack is generally highly correlated to skin color and religion.

What’s being pointed out is that we generally only see this behavior of being correct about not jumping to conclusions when the shooter is either known or suspected to be a white guy. When the shooter’s race is unknown or suspected to be a minority, suddenly the LO officials are “not ruling anything out” and investigating it as a “possible terrorist attack.”

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lawhawk  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:06:03am

re: #377 ObserverArt

And over 400 injured.

The LV Sheriff who was giving the pressers indicated that 50+ were killed and more than 200 injured. Sadly, the death toll is likely to be far higher.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:06:07am

re: #370 The Vicious Babushka

The Fake News machine is getting the drooling masses all riled up over a “Leftist teacher” who doesn’t even exist.

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Even if true. That’s one person. Glenn fucking Beck likened the kids murdered in Norway to Hitler Youth and Watson’s own pal Alex Jones denied Sandy Hook. So fuck off Watson.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:06:36am

I’m inclined to agree with Jim Wright: The guns are out of the bag (a few hundred million of them), and no amount of “gun bans” or whatnot are going to solve anything.

He proposed some time ago putting the NRA right back in the centre of the issue: Enact the NRA’s own gun safety rules as laws. Failure to follow those rules then gets your guns taken away from you.

1. ALWAYS keep the gun pointed in a safe direction.

2. ALWAYS keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot.

3. ALWAYS keep the gun unloaded until ready to use.

His argument is essentially the same as that used by MADD pushing for better drunk drive laws.

Drunk drive laws did not end drunken driving. But over time, they changed the culture where drunken driving was no longer socially acceptable.

Laws can never prevent behaviour, or murder and theft wouldn’t happen though those have been illegal in every society for thousands of years. What laws do is allow you to punish anti-social behaviour.

So if you took the NRA’s own rules and make them law, either the NRA is stuck supporting that or arguing against their own position. They note there are “no exceptions” to their safety rules. Well then, they shouldn’t have a problem with making “no exception” laws to enforce them.

stonekettle.com

As he also notes, as long as there are conservatives screaming “no restrictions on guns” and liberals “ban guns” there will be no compromise at all. As such, the problem will never have a solution.

Perhaps the NRA could be brought back from the wingnuts that took it over. I learned gun safety from the NRA’s own rules, before the NRA went off the rails. Perhaps using their own rules as laws might do something to bring back sanity.

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lawhawk  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:07:23am

re: #375 Dr. Matt

Has the SMOTI’s of the world “discovered” that the shooter/terrorist is a George Soros-linked, Obama-paid staffer?

No, but he initially claimed someone else was the killer before taking down that post.

The fucker can’t be bothered with facts and fact checking - he’s just rushing to get the BS to his drooling viewers.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:08:00am

re: #382 lawhawk

No, but he initially claimed someone else was the killer before taking down that post.

The fucker can’t be bothered with facts and fact checking - he’s just rushing to get the BS to his drooling viewers.

Rage Furby will be on the case shortly.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:08:34am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:09:28am

re: #384 Dr. Matt

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Uh yeah they certailny would have because he wouldn’t have been able to pick them off like sitting ducks with a handgun the way he did.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:09:44am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:10:41am

re: #386 FormerDirtDart

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This is a problem and one side of the aisle is very uninterested in any sort of solution because it will make their NRA paymasters unhappy.

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Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:11:01am

re: #384 Dr. Matt

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Stricter gun laws don’t prevent mass shootings, which is why Australia has them all the time…or wait, perhaps it was the UK…no, I’m sure it was France…

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freetoken  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:12:03am

re: #386 FormerDirtDart

That Kansas shooting was completely overlooked by me when perusing the news. I’ve probably become numb to these things:

‘Boom, boom, boom, boom’: Shooting in downtown Lawrence leaves three dead, two injured

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:13:49am

I see the drooling Deplorables are making up Photoshop fake tweets, expressing glee that “Trump supporters” were killed, for prominent posters to #TheResistance and claiming these are screenshots of “deleted Tweets”

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Dr. Matt  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:14:11am

re: #388 Targetpractice

Stricter gun laws don’t prevent mass shootings, which is why Australia has them all the time…or wait, perhaps it was the UK…no, I’m sure it was France…

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Canada is the mass shooting capital of the world.
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Romantic Heretic  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:14:58am

re: #5 FormerDirtDart

More blood to water The Tree of Liberty.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:15:08am

re: #391 Dr. Matt

Canada is the mass shooting capital of the world.
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If you mean hockey pucks, then yes!

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:16:05am

re: #390 The Vicious Babushka

I see the drooling Deplorables are making up Photoshop fake tweets, expressing glee that “Trump supporters” were killed, for prominent posters to #TheResistance and claiming these are screenshots of “deleted Tweets”

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That’s really messed up. They’re going to get people threatened for no goddamn reason other than the fact that they just happen to be lefties on Twitter and some right wing asshole desperate to stir up shit. Man, this is fucked.

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Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:17:08am

Perhaps we’ll get another round of “We need gun laws like Israel/Switzerland has because…” arguments that assume pictures of people with rifles over their shoulders in public mean it’s a gun owner’s paradise rather than way more restrictive than they’d ever be comfortable with.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:17:36am

re: #384 Dr. Matt

And yet, Mediatite is correct. The police have not said whether the gun was legally-owned or not, or even how many guns were involved.

Since the ban on automatic weapons in the Thirties unless you obtained a very difficult licence to get, no legally-obtained automatic weapons have been used in crimes.

If the owner of this (or these) gun(s) owned them legally, it would be the first time since the latest update to the law was passed in the Eighties.

One of the first things up for the police and the FBI is going to be where the(se) weapon(s) came from.

No law will prevent crime. Laws give us a way to punish people who display anti-social behaviour. If the gun(s) was/were smuggled into the country, that is already illegal. If the gun was legally owned by this guy, that would be remarkable in that it would be the first automatic weapon used in a crime legally owned by the person (in which case another review of the laws might be in order).

My money would be on “he didn’t get the gun legally.”

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:17:56am

Breakfast consumed.
Cheese omelet, fries, toast & bacon spam (saw it at the store and was curious, not particularly bacony really)

Feeling pleasantly plump

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:18:08am

re: #391 Dr. Matt

Canada is the mass moose shooting capital of the world.
//

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:18:20am

NQArrfFOroohXrCUquuDiEihYifBwi0P4ybjCKW9Dq5QivsF+y3DthEBuhDE/8ez/XU0U8zbU3sNF229CE9cFdOPrINhmj4o45dQ6DZ45huIY5HK04OBXA==

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:22:56am
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Dr. Matt  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:26:10am

re: #396 Anymouse 🌹

Since the ban on automatic weapons in the Thirties unless you obtained a very difficult licence to get, no legally-obtained automatic weapons have been used in crimes.

Bullshit x2. The NFA Tax Stamp isn’t some impossible hurdle. It only takes time and money to get one. You can step down from your soapbox now once you finishing patting yourself on the back.

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Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:26:31am

re: #396 Anymouse 🌹

And yet, Mediatite is correct. The police have not said whether the gun was legally-owned or not, or even how many guns were involved.

Since the ban on automatic weapons in the Thirties unless you obtained a very difficult licence to get, no legally-obtained automatic weapons have been used in crimes.

If the owner of this (or these) gun(s) owned them legally, it would be the first time since the latest update to the law was passed in the Eighties.

One of the first things up for the police and the FBI is going to be where the(se) weapon(s) came from.

No law will prevent crime. Laws give us a way to punish people who display anti-social behaviour. If the gun(s) was/were smuggled into the country, that is already illegal. If the gun was legally owned by this guy, that would be remarkable in that it would be the first automatic weapon used in a crime legally owned by the person (in which case another review of the laws might be in order).

My money would be on “he didn’t get the gun legally.”

There’s been a general distinction in these cases between “gun was purchased legally” and “gun was obtained legally.” It very well may be that he didn’t buy the guns himself, he took them from a friend and so he did not obtain them legally. But unless his friend likewise owned the guns illegally, then they were legal firearms and thus the question about gun laws remains relevant. Which is why I’m generally a supporter of suggested laws for “gun insurance,” as we remove the “That gun was taken/stolen/etc one day…” excuse for irresponsible actions.

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Interesting Times  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:26:35am
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Jay C  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:26:35am

re: #396 Anymouse 🌹

Not that I’m an expert, but I have read that one can get “conversion kits” for (legal) semi-automatic long guns which can covert them to fully-automatic functionality with only minimal gunsmithing skills required.
I’m not sure whether said “kits” are legally obtainable or not - but Anymouse is right, IMO: the late Mr. Paddock was likely to have upgraded his arsenal via some non-legal method or other somewhere along the line.
I’m sure we will eventually find out (but NOT by reading it on the Internet).

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Dr. Matt  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:27:28am

re: #400 FormerDirtDart

“Not an avid gun guy at all…where the hell did he get automatic weapons? He has no military background,” gunman’s brother says pic.twitter.com

— CBS News (@CBSNews) October 2, 2017

Not an “avid gun guy” and yet they found 10 rifles/firearms in his hotel. Doesn’t seem he knew his brother too well.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:28:00am

re: #403 Interesting Times

[Embedded content]

Bringing up lax gun laws is “politicizing” but blaming the Engle v Vitale prayer decision and same sex marriage isn’t.

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Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:28:04am

re: #401 Dr. Matt

Bullshit x2. The NFA Tax Stamp isn’t some impossible hurdle. It only takes time and money to get one. You can step down from your soapbox now once you finishing patting yourself on the back.

The NFA tax stamp is $200, which for 10 guns (if applicable to all) runs around $2000. The guns themselves probably cost more than that.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:28:22am

re: #405 Dr. Matt

Not an “avid gun guy” and yet they found 10 rifles/firearms in his hotel. Doesn’t seem he knew his brother too well.

Yeah.

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danarchy  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:28:51am

re: #396 Anymouse 🌹

My money would be on “he didn’t get the gun legally.”

Or he got a legal AR-15 and illegally modified it.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:29:32am

“Ann” is a fictional character from a made-up Twitter account that has been deleted.

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lawhawk  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:29:40am

So, checked my Facebook this morning and it turns out a guy I went to HS with was at Mandalay Bay and witnessed what happened. He had been at the WTC on 9/11 and made it out before the towers came down, and he’s since gone on to a lot of charitable work to help victims of the attacks. He wrote that he had flashbacks to 9/11 with the people running all over the place - and that his first thought was that this was some fireworks display until there were people running with blood spattered.

I just can’t.

400+ injured? One guy murdered more than 50 people.

I just can’t.

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Nyet  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:30:42am

“Where does one get a fucking machine-gun?” is a question that would stump many a European/Russian/etc.but apparently it’s child’s play in the US despite (or due to) the meager regulations that exist, i.e. not problem even for someone without a “military” background. All attempts to deflect from this issue are red herrings.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:30:43am

re: #401 Dr. Matt
re: #396 Anymouse 🌹

Bullshit x2. The NFA Tax Stamp isn’t some impossible hurdle. It only takes time and money to get one. You can step down from your soapbox now once you finishing patting yourself on the back.

And P.S., it doesn’t take a great deal of knowledge and materials to modify an AR style weapon to fully automatic. So, yes, common sense gun laws ranging from types of rifles to size of magazines could make a difference in they were implemented years ago. But, continue to pretend to fucking lecture to me.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:31:35am

re: #412 Nyet

“Where does one get a fucking machine-gun?” is a question that would stump many a European/Russian/etc.but apparently it’s child’s play in the US despite (or due to) the meager regulations that exist, i.e. not problem even for someone without a “military” background. All attempts to deflect from this issue are red herrings.

Yep.

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lawhawk  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:31:37am
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Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:32:21am

When the NFA was passed in ‘34, $200 was a serious chunk of change to pay for a machine gun. But time and inflation have reduced what once was a major monetary barrier into a nuisance. Hell, when looking up “NFA tax stamp” on Google, one of the first results was a company pledging to cut every person who bought one of their silencers a $200 check to pay the stamp.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:32:58am

I just remembered my brother’s friends are or will be in Vegas and they had invited my brother to come along but my brother’s busy with school, work, and his family. I’m sure they’re okay but damn.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:33:33am

re: #415 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

Talk about having no life and being utterly pathetic.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:35:35am

If I recall, the NFA does not restrict the sale or possession of full auto conversion kits.
You can buy them online. You just can;t “legally” install them until getting paperwork in order.

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Nyet  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:37:03am

“I’ll give you my gun when you pry it from 100 cold, dead hands.”

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lawhawk  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:41:12am

Clinton correctly notes that if the shooter had a silencer, it would have made figuring out where the shooter was all the more difficult - how many more people would lose their lives in the time it took to identify where the shooter was firing from?

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Sir John Barron  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:41:14am

re: #352 Skip Intro

If only everyone at the concert was armed ……..

Obviously a gun-free zone.

//

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Sir John Barron  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:42:05am

Is Drumpf bragging about how great “my people” are doing to save P.R. today?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:42:41am

re: #421 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

Clinton correctly notes that if the shooter had a silencer, it would have made figuring out where the shooter was all the more difficult - how many more people would lose their lives in the time it took to identify where the shooter was firing from?

And she’s got much more leadership experience on this issue than that guy whom I’m told “woulda won.”

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:43:21am

re: #401 Dr. Matt

Bullshit x2. The NFA Tax Stamp isn’t some impossible hurdle. It only takes time and money to get one. You can step down from your soapbox now once you finishing patting yourself on the back.

Wow, I wasn’t aware I was on a soapbox, or patting myself on the back.

No, it’s not an impossible hurdle, though you have to submit both fingerprints and photographs, fill out the paperwork certifying you are a US citizen, get approval from your local police or sheriff on another form, and wait for more than half a year for the ATF to do its criminal background check.

Anti-government gun nuts who hate things like gun registration aren’t going to do all that.

blog.adamsarms.net

The tax stamp law was not what I wrote about. What I wrote was that no legally owned machine gun has been used in a crime. I also wrote I would be very surprised to find that this guy legally owned the gun.

I also wrote that if he did legally own the gun, then perhaps it is time to revisit the law.

Machine guns are a tiny fraction of the guns in this nation. Can you tell me the last time a machine gun was used in a crime? I’m not an expert on gun crimes but I have to go all the way back to the SLA (and those machine guns were not legally owned).

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:44:16am
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makeitstop  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:44:51am

Murphy pulls no punches. Go, Chris.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:45:51am

If prying it from your cold dead hands is what it takes, bring on the gun grabber brigade.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:45:52am

re: #427 makeitstop

Murphy pulls no punches. Go, Chris.

[Embedded content]

I absolutely love how he’s not afraid at all to call out the gun lobby and his colleagues.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:46:02am

15 minutes late.
Still “Trumping up” the statement is my guess

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lawhawk  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:46:28am

re: #427 makeitstop

Murphy has been one of the most vocal in the fight against Trump, the NRA, and the do-nothing GOP (do nothing except try to game the system to benefit the rich and screw everyone else).

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Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:48:00am

re: #430 FormerDirtDart

15 minutes late.
Still “Trumping up” the statement is my guess

[Embedded content]

Miller’s probably trying to figure out how to blame it on ISIS.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:50:05am

re: #430 FormerDirtDart

15 minutes late.
Still “Trumping up” the statement is my guess

Imma wait till all the facts but I understand based on good information that the killer was an illegal immigrant who hated true Americans.

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makeitstop  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:50:13am

re: #422 Sir John Barron

Obviously a gun-free zone.

//

A friend on Facebook asked one of her friends (who was arguing against any new gun laws), ‘How would it feel if one of your kids was among the dead?’ The woman replied, ‘That would not happen, as I am always armed, as are my children.’

I pointed out that in that situation, she and her armed kids would have been sitting ducks just like everybody else at that concert.

These people are so fucking obstinate about common-sense gun laws, they think just carrying a goddamned gun makes them bullet-proof or something.

Out of 22K at that concert, how many of those people were likely carrying? And did it help at all?

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Woods Witch  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:50:41am

re: #427 makeitstop

Thank you Senator Murphy!

Cue the right wing chorus…”politicizing the tragedy”, “it’s too soon”, etc, ad infinitum (oh, wait they’re already on verse 10…)

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:50:50am

re: #432 Targetpractice

Miller’s probably trying to figure out how to blame it on ISIS.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:51:18am

re: #356 dangerman

Guy was locked in a room 32 floors up. across the road
They’re gonna have a hard time with that argument

Still I wouldn’t be surprised when inevitably some try

A good guy with a rocket-launcher could have stopped this. USA USA USA.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:52:13am

re: #432 Targetpractice

Miller’s probably trying to figure out how to blame it on ISIS.

newsmax beat him to it:

ISIS Claims Responsibility for Las Vegas Massacre:

The Islamic State group has claimed responsibility for the mass shooting in Las Vegas, saying that the perpetrator was “a soldier” who had converted to Islam months ago, without providing any evidence to support the claim.

I kid you not. This is right there on that news site.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:52:30am

re: #434 makeitstop

A friend on Facebook asked one of her friends (who was arguing against any new gun laws), ‘How would it feel if one of your kids was among the dead?’ The woman replied, ‘That would not happen, as I am always armed, as are my children.’

I pointed out that in that situation, she and her armed kids would have been sitting ducks just like everybody else at that concert.

These people are so fucking obstinate about common-sense gun laws, they think just carrying a goddamned gun makes them bullet-proof or something.

Out of 22K at that concert, how many of those people were likely carrying? And did it help at all?

It wouldn’t have helped.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:53:13am

re: #438 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

newsmax beat him to it:

ISIS Claims Responsibility for Las Vegas Massacre:

The Islamic State group has claimed responsibility for the mass shooting in Las Vegas, saying that the perpetrator was “a soldier” who had converted to Islam months ago, without providing any evidence to support the claim.

I kid you not. This is right there on that news site.

ISIS is happy to take responsibility for this and wingnuts are happy to give them the press they so crave.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:53:15am

“I am faking empathy as best I can”

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Nyet  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:53:42am

- I’ll give you my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead hands!

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Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:53:50am

re: #441 FormerDirtDart

“I am faking empathy as best I can”

“You need to look sorrowful, Donald, not constipated.”

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Nyet  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:55:34am

Hey AB, a recommendation.

The Void Trailer #1 (2017) Horror Movie HD

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I cannot.  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:56:16am

re: #440 HappyWarrior

Me: My heating system doesn’t work fast enough!

ISIS: We are responsible for the infidel “I cannot“‘s chilly feet!

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Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:56:20am

re: #442 Nyet

- I’ll give you my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead hands!

[Embedded content]

“Your proposal is acceptable.”

/movie geek moment

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:57:08am

re: #445 I cannot.

Me: My heating system doesn’t work fast enough!

ISIS: We are responsible for the infidel “I cannot“‘s chilly feet!

Damn you ISIS!

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:58:17am

re: #438 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

newsmax beat him to it:

ISIS Claims Responsibility for Las Vegas Massacre:

The Islamic State group has claimed responsibility for the mass shooting in Las Vegas, saying that the perpetrator was “a soldier” who had converted to Islam months ago, without providing any evidence to support the claim.

I kid you not. This is right there on that news site.

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Nyet  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:58:25am

re: #447 HappyWarrior

ISIS’ aim is to turn the Muslims living in the West and their neighbors against each other in order to radicalize them.

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Unshaken Defiance  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:02:28am

re: #401 Dr. Matt

Easy. Everyone is stunned.
Both of these things are true. So far *nobody has used that process to get guns for a crime. It’s not a tough process. Yet more likely modified or black market.

*No luck on Google so far

FTR look at the form. I’d not file that thing lightly.
atf.gov

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gwangung  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:06:32am

re: #434 makeitstop

A friend on Facebook asked one of her friends (who was arguing against any new gun laws), ‘How would it feel if one of your kids was among the dead?’ The woman replied, ‘That would not happen, as I am always armed, as are my children.’

I pointed out that in that situation, she and her armed kids would have been sitting ducks just like everybody else at that concert.

These people are so fucking obstinate about common-sense gun laws, they think just carrying a goddamned gun makes them bullet-proof or something.

Out of 22K at that concert, how many of those people were likely carrying? And did it help at all?

Guns are not magic talismans. They do not shield you automatically if you shot are at. They do not protect you if the attacker has the initiative and has the drop on you. And they certainly will not defend you if you have a poor sense of tactics and strategy in the heat of the moment.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:07:50am

re: #449 Nyet

ISIS’ aim is to turn the Muslims living in the West and their neighbors against each other in order to radicalize them.

Yep and Western wingnuts are happy to help out in that aim.

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ObserverArt  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:11:15am

re: #385 HappyWarrior

Uh yeah they certailny would have because he wouldn’t have been able to pick them off like sitting ducks with a handgun the way he did.

Happy, just a little correction. It appears he was just spraying the crowd with full auto fire. Picking them off like sitting ducks sounds like he was exact targeting. A full auto rifle allowed him to just go wild. One of the reasons full auto assault rifles are supposed to not be allowed. But then, my understanding a semi-auto can be modified easily to be full auto. That modification should be designed out of the rifles if possible.

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MsJ  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:31:39am

re: #344 Sir John Barron

10 guns? Has to be a false flag then. No true gun owner….

////

…has less than 50 guns.

The piker.

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MsJ  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:36:08am

re: #381 Anymouse 🌹

Perhaps the NRA could be brought back from the wingnuts that took it over. I learned gun safety from the NRA’s own rules, before the NRA went off the rails. Perhaps using their own rules as laws might do something to bring back sanity.

The NRA is a lobbying group that represents gun manufacturers. They exist to sell more guns and ensure that there is never legislation to damper the sale of guns. That is their only purpose. It’s not that wingnuts took it over…it is that their purpose is at odds with safe society because when you support mentally ill people and terrorists being able to get guns at will, there is no use for you except to sell guns.


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