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If you’re offended by someone saying “cracker”, it’s a good indicator that you’re a motherfucking cracker.
— Seth Rogen (@Sethrogen) October 2, 2017
Watch moment appalled ambassador stops Boris Johnson reciting colonial poem in Burma’s holiest site https://t.co/X2fbpCzIsd
— Jamie Tarabay (@jamietarabay) October 2, 2017
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Reporter for KTNV in Las Vegas
There is a major police incident working at #MandalayBay reports are multiple people are down in an #activeshooter emergency @ktnv
— Joe Bartels (@Joe_Bartels) October 2, 2017
Mandalay Bay being evacuated now. Cabbie says he has MB doormen in his cab and the took off. Shots coming from hotel rooms/tower possibly…
— LV Cabbie Chronicles (@LVCabChronicles) October 2, 2017
#BREAKING Reports of multiple people shot at music festival on Las Vegas Strip https://t.co/4jVvCqBFaS pic.twitter.com/Z1J1YqG7aE
— KSNV News 3 (@News3LV) October 2, 2017
Shooting in Las Vegas. People fleeing (video from the Mandalay Bay hotel) pic.twitter.com/hs98J5uK6T
— Eiki Hrafnsson (@EirikurH) October 2, 2017
First world problems.
re: #5 FormerDirtDart
Yeah, just came over the wires here in Europe…..active shooter situation at Mandalay Bay in Las Vegas. They’re describing it as a casino/hotel/resort…..is that accurate? Last time I was in Vegas, “Lefty” Rosenthal was running the show - in other words, about 40 years ago.
re: #9 Dr Lizardo
They’re describing it as a casino/hotel/resort…..is that accurate?
All the big hotels on the strip are nothing but hotel rooms, restaurants, bars, casinos, and shopping malls.
re: #9 Dr Lizardo
They’re describing it as a casino/hotel/resort…..is that accurate?
Yes, that’s accurate. Mandalay is sprawling and has lots of event space too as do many of the big properties on and around the strip.
Nevada has some of the loosest gun laws in the country.
Just sayin’.
re: #10 teleskiguy
All the big hotels on the strip are nothing but hotel rooms, restaurants, bars, casinos, and shopping malls.
Ah, OK. I probably wouldn’t recognize the place now, LOL. I still kind of recall Circus Circus and the Stardust.
re: #11 JordanRules
Yes, that’s accurate. Mandalay is sprawling and has lots of event space as do many of the big properties on and around the strip.
That’s what I noticed the first time I visited Vegas for fun. Those buildings on the strip are *massive.* Hotels take up multiple city blocks.
OK, that’s automatic weapons fire
Active shooter Las Vegas strip I’m ok locked in my room lights off windows closed. Shooter is directly across the street. Shots heard on vid pic.twitter.com/Z4mz3E3bmE
— Bryan Heifner (@HBryanBHHS) October 2, 2017
re: #15 FormerDirtDart
Sounds like some pretty heavy-duty auto weapons fire - AK-47 perhaps?
re: #14 teleskiguy
Seriously! I get overwhelmed covering ground in one or two properties.
Back in the day though, it would take covering a decent fraction of the strip for the same experience and foot pain.
re: #16 Dr Lizardo
Sounds like some pretty heavy-duty auto weapons fire - AK-47 perhaps?
It’s definitely a long rifle, firing 5.56 or 7.62 ammo.
re: #19 teleskiguy
It’s definitely a long rifle, firing 5.56 or 7.62 ammo.
Yeah…..hard to tell from audio, with the usual tricks echoing gunfire produces, but definitely a long rifle. AK-47 popped into mind because it sounds heavy, .30 caliber, like that first vid clip, the one taken from the hotel window.
A Facebook friend is monitoring Las Vegas police command through this site but it appears to be down or jammed right now:
broadcastify.com
Screenshot from earlier:
re: #22 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines
Well fuck
MORE: Some flights bound for McCarran Airport in Las Vegas have been diverted due to active shooter situation https://t.co/QJpEgOcnDv pic.twitter.com/SFUYnWcTtV
— ABC News (@ABC) October 2, 2017
Shit man.
Please do not livestream or share tactical positions of our officers on scene. This may put emergency responders in danger.
— LVMPD (@LVMPD) October 2, 2017
Courtesy: Kevin Wouters, hotel guest at Delano pic.twitter.com/x474sDwEH3
— Abby (@abbytheodros) October 2, 2017
Chaos on Twitter, as usual, multiple shooters, shots fired at Bellagio Hotel, etc. If even a third of this is true, we have a major terrorist incident.
re: #26 Stanley Sea
Shit, that sounds like over 50 rounds fired.
re: #29 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines
Maybe a drum magazine? I didn’t hear any pause; it was just straight-up continuous auto-fire.
re: #26 Stanley Sea
For reference, Delano is a luxury suites division on Mandalay property.
re: #32 FormerDirtDart
30 rd magazine emptied
Could well be…..out of curiosity, I checked and there are 60 and 100 round banana magazines out there for the AR-15.
Two dead, 24 wounded by gunfire in Las Vegas, says hospital https://t.co/gXXlHlTuZe
— Reuters Top News (@Reuters) October 2, 2017
JUST IN: Las Vegas police say “one suspect is down;” active shooter investigation continues https://t.co/nW1fX0XrGv pic.twitter.com/hUCtR1IPIl
— ABC News (@ABC) October 2, 2017
Video courtesy of Drew Akioshi. He was attending the concert at mandalay bay when shooting started. pic.twitter.com/mbyh9Y387q
— David Sakach (@davidsakach) October 2, 2017
re: #22 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines
“A Facebook friend is monitoring Las Vegas police command through this site but it appears to be down or jammed right now:”
I went to the site. The owner has a note posted stating he’s having problems with the site, including the site shutting down for reasons he doesn’t understand. He says he’s working to get things straightened out.
Good god, don’t go to #mandalaybay hash, some young daughter of some poor sap says 20 dead. Her photo is revealing.
jeebus
do they wake up the yam? or is that a no-no
Sorry, I’m concerned.
Lotta fake shit is about to roll in. Be careful everyone.
re: #43 JordanRules
Lotta fake shit is about to roll in. Be careful everyone.
do not go to the #mandalaybay trending.
The ultimate stupidity of our fellow citizens is there in full force.
#mandalaybay pic.twitter.com/0veNOgQj2s
— Caroline Weatherwax (@CarriWeatherwax) October 2, 2017
re: #46 JordanRules
Uggh, I can imagine.
I took a quick peek and yeah, to paraphrase Dave Bowman in 2001: A Space Odyssey, “My God - it’s full of stupid!”
re: #42 Stanley Sea
“do they wake up the yam? or is that a no-no”
“Sorry, I’m concerned.”
Shortly after I read about this incident, I wandered over to the site “Heavy,” seeking additional information. The first comment on the site was from a guy who said he hopes this shooting isn’t blamed on Trump. I kid you not. People are running for their lives, being shot down, hotels are being locked down, traffic diverted, the airport shutdown, and this guy is worried about someone somewhere blaming his “precious” president and hurting his little fee fees. I don’t want to hear what Trump tweets about this because, as usual, it will all be BS. Dude doesn’t have one iota of concern for others in his entire body. Who in the hell goes to a golf event and presents and dedicates a golf trophy in the names of those who are suffering as a result of a disaster and thinks it helps them in some way? A mthrfuker like Trump. That’s who.
If you see some rando posting unsourced “We ID’d the shooter!”crap, report them. #mandalaybay
— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) October 2, 2017
re: #49 Stanley Sea
Thinking and hoping that is confusing injured vs. dead.
One of the CNN anchors made that mistake and quickly corrected herself.
#MandalayBay Who do you blame?
You forgot Russians https://t.co/BPbcuj9RKW
— D. E. Todd (@DaveoutofAustin) October 2, 2017
Jesus Christ
A local news station.
Before anything figured out.
Sorry, just dont get it
Pray for our city #LasVegas pic.twitter.com/k19xfjDyXc
— Michelle Velez (@MichelleNews3LV) October 2, 2017
re: #53 Stanley Sea
Jesus Christ
A local news station.
Before anything figured out.Sorry, just dont get it
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We are toast, if we fold this fast to the modern era bullshit hallmark cards
At this time we do not believe there are any more shooters. More information to come shortly from @Sheriff_LVMPD.
— LVMPD (@LVMPD) October 2, 2017
Looking at some of the vids people took of the incident, seems like the shooter was emptying a magazine, stopping to reload (extended magazine), firing, stopping again, firing. The shooter seems to take less than 20 seconds to reload and resume firing.
I am flabbergasted at the stupidity of our neighbors.
I’ve seen at least 3 alleged names of the shooter posted,, as though some random Twitter goof would know. People are sick.
I call everyone in this country our neighbors.
Cause they are.
re: #58 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines
I’ve seen at least 3 alleged names of the shooter posted,, as though some random Twitter goof would know. People are sick.
It’s trolls.
re: #58 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines
I’ve seen at least 3 alleged names of the shooter posted,, as though some random Twitter goof would know. People are sick.
Abdul. Not Billy Bob?
I’ll wait.
re: #21 teleskiguy
Almost an inch at 6,334’. Snowing pretty hard.
re: #61 Stanley Sea
Abdul. Not Billy Bob?
I’ll wait.
I won’t post any of the names, except OJ Simpson (who was released into the Vegas general population yesterday). The others are a well known nazi, a young woman, and a number of folk with Muslim names.
re: #1 jaunte
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“Politically motivated Puerto Rican ingrate”, crossing a river where a bridge used to be.
obviously wanting the government to do everything for her
Another account created to spread false info about the shooting at Mandalay Bay in Las Vegas.
Same pic was used during Manchester attack. pic.twitter.com/pGk7EG9auH— Caroline O. (@RVAwonk) October 2, 2017
Another account created to spread false info about the shooting at Mandalay Bay in Las Vegas.
Same pic was used during Manchester attack. pic.twitter.com/pGk7EG9auH— Caroline O. (@RVAwonk) October 2, 2017
Bald dude is apparently an adult film star.
re: #65 Kragar
And this…
That’s the Kid from Tosh.0 that reviews pizzas. pic.twitter.com/QgwUy9DaLG
— The Last President (@proustaloo) October 2, 2017
“A Las Vegas Metropolitan police source has confirmed that at least 20 people are dead in a shooting Sunday night at Mandalay Bay on the Las Vegas Strip”
Tragic.
Local NBC saying shooter might be from Mesquite, Nv.
re: #70 VegasGolfer
Local NBC saying shooter might be from Mesquite, Nv.
Right down the road from Bunkerville. Home of the Bundy family.
re: #71 teleskiguy
That was gonna be my next post.
re: #69 VegasGolfer
“A Las Vegas Metropolitan police source has confirmed that at least 20 people are dead in a shooting Sunday night at Mandalay Bay on the Las Vegas Strip”
Tragic.
Refering to Teleskiguy’s note above:
re: #45 teleskiguy
“Police source” is not “police.” Unnamed sources in such incidents are not sources. The Las Vegas Metropolitan Police will identify their spokesperson or officer releasing official information.
The police department’s Faceplant page says to follow along for information on its Twitter feed. It’s Twitter feed has no such thing.
Tweets by LVMPDre: #42 Stanley Sea
do they wake up the yam? or is that a no-no
Sorry, I’m concerned.
They only wake up black presidents and demand they immediately take the blame for every gunman in the country
re: #69 VegasGolfer
“A Las Vegas Metropolitan police source has confirmed that at least 20 people are dead in a shooting Sunday night at Mandalay Bay on the Las Vegas Strip”
Tragic.
That article never mentions 20 killed. Only reports 2 dead
I am watching police breifing now and the say the shooter is from the local area. And they are looking for an asain woman accomplice.
Crap crap crap.
The 20+ number of dead is accurate according to the police briefing. More than 100 injured.
BREAKING: Las Vegas sheriff: At least 20 dead, more than 100 injured in concert mass shooting attack.
— NBC Nightly News (@NBCNightlyNews) October 2, 2017
The sherrif who is giving the live briefing just said 20 dead and 100 injured.
Dipshits on Twitter are spreading a picture of a woman whom they allege was a person who issued some sort of threat about twenty minutes before the shooting.
The picture of the woman in question is a reporter for Australia’s Channel Seven, who was on the scene.
They lifted her photo right off the Daily Telegraph Website. (The Daily Telegraph has a former reporter who is also in Las Vegas, who reported on what he saw to the paper.)
re: #77 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos
Crap crap crap.
The 20+ number of dead is accurate according to the police briefing. More than 100 injured.
begosh - Last I read - I thought it was TWO. No idea how the US stops this with the ease of access and volume of guns privately owned. And everyone out to have a great time. It is truly heartbreaking the extent of man made disasters.
Mass casualty event. Gunman was firing a fully automatic rifle. Goddamn it.
re: #82 fern01
begosh - Last I read - I thought it was TWO. No idea how the US stops this with the ease of access and volume of guns privately owned.
Well, the weapon in question seems to be a machine gun … those are heavily regulated. Probably one of the first questions for police is how the shooter got his hands on one.
While it’s possible it was a legally-owned machine gun, that doesn’t seem to be terribly likely to me (for whatever my opinion is worth).
BREAKING: Las Vegas sheriff: We are searching for Mari Lou Danley as a person of interest; is an Asian female, approx. 4’11, 111 lbs.
— NBC Nightly News (@NBCNightlyNews) October 2, 2017
That name matches a Nevada address that came across police scanners; a man is also listed at that address. Won’t share out of caution.
— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) October 2, 2017
re: #86 FormerDirtDart
Marilou Danley
Gambling & Casinos Professional
Reno, NevadaGambling & Casinos
Same person as on the book of faces.
Weird as fuck, to put it mildly.
I was afraid of this. With the asshole firing a full auto weapon into a concert crowd, there didn’t seem any way that the report of 2 dead/20 injured would hold up.
Marylou “Danly” is one of the names posted by Twitter trolls earlier. Fuck ‘em anyway, for releasing confidential police info.
Concertgoer said on TV that a woman told them they were all going to die, about 45 minutes before the shooting, and got booted by security.
— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) October 2, 2017
A North Korean ship was seized off #Egypt with a huge cache of weapons destined for a surprising buyer | #NorthKorea https://t.co/66Rpa9wmuR
— Florian Flade (@FlorianFlade) October 2, 2017
Imagine the insanity of a new cycle in which this isn’t the biggest news https://t.co/BsXjMijj7J
— Mitchell Prothero (@mitchprothero) October 2, 2017
Info deleted. CNN provided mistaken license plate numbers
Police ask for the public’s help in searching for 2 vehicles registered to Las Vegas shooting suspect. Details: https://t.co/4ACGl8w5yK
— CNN (@CNN) October 2, 2017
re: #92 FormerDirtDart
…. a man is also listed at that address. Won’t share out of caution.
It’s as if no one has ever heard of the people-lookup sites so common on the internet.
re: #94 FormerDirtDart
Info deleted. CNN provided mistaken license plate numbers
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Briefing with @Sheriff_LVMPD regarding the Strip shooting. At least 20 dead, 100 injured. The shooter was local. pic.twitter.com/CzxRl9Oagw
— LVMPD (@LVMPD) October 2, 2017
We’re searching for two vehicles associated with the shooter: Hyundai Tucson Nevada/114B40 and a Chrysler Pacifica Nevada/79D401. https://t.co/pVyGvN7ZqV
— LVMPD (@LVMPD) October 2, 2017
A reminder.
Congress is considering the ‘Hearing Protection Act’. Which would allow the purchase of weapon suppressors (silencers) to be no more difficult than the purchase of a firearm.
Now, imagine someone shooting an automatic weapon from an elevated position, hundreds of feet up, at night in a metropolitan area.
re: #97 FormerDirtDart
A reminder.
Congress is considering the ‘Hearing Protection Act’. Which would allow the purchase of weapon suppressors (silencers) to be no more difficult than the purchase of a firearm.Now, imagine someone shooting an automatic weapon from an elevated position, hundreds of feet up, at night in a metropolitan area.
Suppressors don’t kill people, people kill people!!11uno!21!!
Freeways have been reopened for thru traffic. However the OFF RAMPS heading eastbound are CLOSED from Sahara Ave. to Russell Rd.
— LVMPD (@LVMPD) October 2, 2017
It may seem like the world is going crazy, but remember, there are FAR more regular good people than these sick twisted fucks. #mandalaybay
— Equitable Liberal (@EquitableLib) October 2, 2017
re: #98 Anymouse 🌹
Suppressors don’t kill people, people kill people!!11uno!21!!
Let us pass a law legalizing flamethrowers. Call it the “Warmth Generation Act”…
BREAKING: Police release image of woman sought for questioning after Las Vegas Strip shooting https://t.co/XG5yo8ohcM pic.twitter.com/8oh3g2YIiu
— ABC News (@ABC) October 2, 2017
My regional newspaper is doing live updates:
A Nevada sheriff says one on-duty officer is in critical condition and another was wounded in the Las Vegas concert shooting that left more than 20 people dead.
Clark County Sheriff Joseph Lombardo says two off-duty officers have died.
Several officers from California were attending the outdoor Route 91 Harvest Music Festival on Sunday when a gunman opened fire. A Bakersfield Police officer was shot and taken to the hospital with non-life threatening injuries.
Authorities have not released any of their identities.
More than 100 people were injured.
Lombardo says the suspect is dead.
The sheriff says they believe this was a “lone wolf” attack but said they are looking for a roommate of the dead suspect as a person of interest.
starherald.com (Scottsbluff, NE Star-Herald)
re: #101 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
Let us pass a law legalizing flamethrowers. Call it the “Warmth Generation Act”…
Flamethrowers are legal.
Introducing the Terrifying Personal Flamethrower That Is Apparently Legal in 48 States (Washington Post)
The article above notes at the time the company in question was working to get their flamethrower to market.
Going to their Website, it is now available. It uses gasoline for fuel and butane cannisters for camping or kitchen use for the pilot light.
The Washington Post article says they are only illegal in California (without a permit) and Maryland.
Hi All! Something to note is that some out there are saying that it was her husband who did the shooting. I notice that the Sheriff states that they are looking for a “roommate” of the shooter, not her husband. I would think that if they were looking for the wife of the shooter then they would say so. I have also seen that the husband is being portrayed as a Democrat but I do not know if that info is real.
What a tragedy.
re: #106 Odie Hugh Manatee
I have also seen that the husband is being portrayed as a Democrat but I do not know if that info is real.
.
Oh yes, Twitter if full of that stuff.
This shooting has the smell of the “going postal” events of years past. Either a disgruntled worker/former-employee, or someone acting out family problems.
re: #106 Odie Hugh Manatee
Hi All! Something to note is that some out there are saying that it was her husband who did the shooting. I notice that the Sheriff states that they are looking for a “roommate” of the shooter, not her husband. I would think that if they were looking for the wife of the shooter then they would say so. I have also seen that the husband is being portrayed as a Democrat but I do not know if that info is real.
What a tragedy.
The “he’s a Democrat” is standard wingnut propaganda.
As far as I am aware, the police have not released the name of the shooter. If that’s the case, it would be impossible to know.
My wife just brought me a whole bowl of teriyaki pork (yum).
Las Vegas shooting - what we know so far https://t.co/CTggoy1OTA pic.twitter.com/R0T0Cy09VK
— The Guardian (@guardian) October 2, 2017
re: #109 FormerDirtDart
“Swot” - the Guardian needs a better editor.
re: #107 freetoken
re: #108 Anymouse 🌹
Yeah, I don’t rush to believe anything, I can wait until there is there is firm confirmation of the facts. Even then, shit can change later on. Her and her husband may have separated some time ago and she’s rooming with someone else. It could be many things but all we can do is wait for the facts to come in and counter the internet BS that is fed to the asses, I mean masses.
For awhile twitter was blowing up over some guy who ran home, got a gun, and came back to help “sweep the hotels.”
He’s lucky as hell police didn’t shoot him (if true).
My newspaper is trying to magic balancefairy Donald Trump’s response to Hurricane Maria to Barack Obama’s response to ISIS killing James Foley (but they’re reprinting an AP report).
In 2014, Obama was criticized for playing golf right after speaking to reporters about the execution of journalist James Foley by Islamic State militants. And President George W. Bush was faulted for not immediately returning to Washington from his Crawford, Texas, ranch after Hurricane Katrina devastated New Orleans.
White House spokeswoman Lindsay Walters said that Trump had committed to attending the golf tournament “many months ago.”
“He is being continually updated on the situation in Puerto Rico and only came briefly to present the trophy to the American team who are serving as great representatives for our country,” she said, adding: “He is eager to get to Puerto Rico on Tuesday and further emphasize his dedication to the recovery efforts which have received widespread praise from local officials on the ground.”
Yeah, not an excuse, “committed to attending many months ago.” The issue isn’t him at the golf tournament, it’s his lack of response.
re: #84 Anymouse 🌹
Well, the weapon in question seems to be a machine gun … those are heavily regulated. Probably one of the first questions for police is how the shooter got his hands on one.
While it’s possible it was a legally-owned machine gun, that doesn’t seem to be terribly likely to me (for whatever my opinion is worth).
Living in a world where the only guns I have ever seen are worn by the police (& prior to the 1980s most police were unarmed) I have no idea about the various types of weapons. I am simply very thankful that gun deaths in my part of the world are few. One massacre - 1996 (I think) and a RW government said “no more”
Some idjits are trying to bring them back - with little success at the minute.
Lots of people over at Twitter spreading the name and photo of a man from Arkansas, because Internet sleuths allegedly connected the “person of interest” they are looking for to this fellow.
The police for their part haven’t said who the shooter is, but they did say he was a local person. I’m not sure how local Arkansas is to Las Vegas.
Wingnuts are trying to make the fellow’s name trend as a hashtag.
re: #114 fern01
Living in a world where the only guns I have ever seen are worn by the police (& prior to the 1980s most police were unarmed) I have no idea about the various types of weapons. I am simply very thankful that gun deaths in my part of the world are few. One massacre - 1996 (I think) and a RW government said “no more”
Some idjits are trying to bring them back - with little success at the minute.
The National Rifle Association here puts out endless propaganda about how Australia’s gun laws have no effect, are easily circumvented, &c.
They also use Australia’s laws to whip up fear amongst their membership.
I see the left didn’t even wait until the bodies were cold before exploiting this massacre. #GunControlNow
— Paul Joseph Watson (@PrisonPlanet) October 2, 2017
We get it you guys love waking up to a good mass shootings. #GunControlNow #LasVegasShooter #MandalayBay https://t.co/CfqhUXiOQ7
— Kel (@Toughturtleboy) October 2, 2017
re: #117 Anymouse 🌹
I see the left didn’t even wait until the bodies were cold before exploiting this massacre.
There is never a right time to start talking about gun control
Regarding the Chetco Bar fire here on the south Oregon coast, it was beat back by nature and man and was last at 97% contained. It got pretty bad here until Tropical Storm Lidia collapsed over Baja Cali and a good portion of it drifted into Arizona, then up the Cali-Nevada border and over the Miller Complex and Chetco Bar fires. While this rain only hit the western and eastern sides of the fire, it gave the firefighters a chance to get in and directly fight it. We’ve had a bit more rain since then but there’s still lots of hot spots they are tracking/extinguishing.
It’s a good thing we got that rain because we are back in to our normal early fall coastal weather; sunny and breezy.
This account needs to be reported to Twitter …
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re: #115 Anymouse 🌹
From what I saw (real or not), they are saying that her husband is from Fayetteville. They are in a rush to label him as the shooter because they are internet sleuths.
More likely they like the idea of the shooter being a Democrat because they think that will validate their belief that liberals are violent.
re: #116 Anymouse 🌹
The National Rifle Association here puts out endless propaganda about how Australia’s gun laws have no effect, are easily circumvented, &c.
They also use Australia’s laws to whip up fear amongst their membership.
There are no doubts that people still have guns - they mainly use them to shoot themselves, their family or other criminals. Don’t believe that the laws are not working. Children can go to school, college, concerts and virtually anywhere without fear of being caught up in a gun massacre.
re: #122 Odie Hugh Manatee
From what I saw (real or not), they are saying that her husband is from Fayetteville. They are in a rush to label him as the shooter because they are internet sleuths.
More likely they like the idea of the shooter being a Democrat because they think that will validate their belief that liberals are violent.
and that they spread a hateful message about America that can only result in violence…
re: #123 fern01
The are no doubt people still have guns - they mainly use them to shoot themselves, their family or other criminals. Don’t believe that the laws are not working. Children can go to school, college, concerts and virtually anywhere without fear of being caught up in a gun massacre.
but they have been left without a means to defend themselves against a government takeover.
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NBC: Stephen Paddock, 64, is the Vegas shooting suspect. @PeteWilliamsNBC
— Savannah Guthrie (@SavannahGuthrie) October 2, 2017
Paddock is the man listed along with Marilou Danley at a home in Mesquite, Nevada, about 90 miles from the murder scene. https://t.co/SXzywcKrpG
— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) October 2, 2017
re: #122 Odie Hugh Manatee
From what I saw (real or not), they are saying that her husband is from Fayetteville. They are in a rush to label him as the shooter because they are internet sleuths.
More likely they like the idea of the shooter being a Democrat because they think that will validate their belief that liberals are violent.
Although the police did not say they were looking for the shooter’s “wife.” They described their “person of interest” with some other term such as “associate.”
re: #125 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
but they have been left without a means to defend themselves against a government takeover.
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This, I will never understand - we vote for a government to run the country - What are they taking over?
re: #123 fern01
The are no doubt people still have guns - they mainly use them to shoot themselves, their family or other criminals. Don’t believe that the laws are not working. Children can go to school, college, concerts and virtually anywhere without fear of being caught up in a gun massacre.
I have a shotgun. I am not interested in shooting anyone. I would be quite willing to register it or get a title for it if such things were required.
The idea that any fool should own a gun is well, foolish. Only recently has the II Amendment been interpreted that way.
Day 275.
This is already mass shooting no. 338 in the United States this year.#LasVegas #MandalayBay
https://t.co/zHk3fXr55O— Chef (@champ_ian) October 2, 2017
Over 60 years old… that’s pretty unusual for a mass shooting.
re: #128 fern01
This, I will never understand - we vote for a government to run the country - What are they taking over?
the government registers millions of illegals and buys their votes with promises of free stuff.
why do I have to explain the obvious to you?
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As for the police definition of “terrorism” - someone who kills 20 people and injures 100 is “not a terrorist”?
Well, I go to sleep, wake up in the middle of the night, and see this has happened.
This will be good for the international tourism that Vegas has been trying so hard to attract. /s
All sarcasm aside, it’s surprising that this hasn’t happened already.
As an aside, I was at the DMV the other day, and they had petitioners out front wanting people to “help protect our 2nd amendment rights.”
I would like to think that those petitioners ought to be feeling quite silly atm, but die-hard ammosexuals seem to be immune to the suffering caused by gun violence.
Ok, rant off.
If neo-Nazi apes were ever to be deported … to the moon, it would at least double the average Earth IQ. pic.twitter.com/PvoC6CrXrR
— Sergey Romanov (@S_ergeyR_omanov) October 2, 2017
re: #129 Anymouse 🌹
I have a shotgun. I am not interested in shooting anyone. I would be quite willing to register it or get a title for it if such things were required.
The idea that any fool should own a gun is well, foolish. Only recently has the II Amendment been interpreted that way.
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I did forget to mention those who own guns for legal reasons - farmers in particular are registered gun owners. Registered guns are kept in gun safes, ammunition must be kept separately etc etc. I descend from landowners and my grandparents owned many guns. As a child who often stayed with them - I NEVER saw any guns.
re: #132 fern01
As for the police definition of “terrorism” - someone who kills 20 people and injures 100 is “not a terrorist”?
Terrorist is not simply a mass murderer.
re: #134 Nyet
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I suppose it’s possible people under 30, or who’ve never read sci-fi, would be unfamiliar with the word “grok”.
re: #131 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
the government registers millions of illegals and buys their votes with promises of free stuff.
why do I have to explain the obvious to you?
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I obviously do not speak wingnut - much education needed :)
re: #137 sagehen
I suppose it’s possible people under 30, or who’ve never read sci-fi, would be unfamiliar with the word “grok”.
Well, I’ve never read that book by Heinlein. I learned the word through the Internet osmosis.
re: #130 sagehen
Over 60 years old… that’s pretty unusual for a mass shooting.
Shooter at congressional baseball practice earlier this year was in his mid-60s
“[The shooter] had no prior contact with law enforcement. Regardless of age, that’s particularly significant,” @FranTownsend says pic.twitter.com/MzfopnhRRp
— CBS News (@CBSNews) October 2, 2017
Clark County Sheriff giving an update, noting that lots of rumour control is floating around the Interwebz. No explosives (other than the single one their SWAT team used to gain entry to the shooter’s room in the hotel), no multiple hotels involved, &c.
VIDEO: Media briefing earlier by @Sheriff_LVMPD regarding the active shooter incident on the Strip. https://t.co/1D7ziLF7ut #LVMPDnews
— LVMPD (@LVMPD) October 2, 2017
re: #123 fern01
There are no doubts that people still have guns - they mainly use them to shoot themselves, their family or other criminals. Don’t believe that the laws are not working. Children can go to school, college, concerts and virtually anywhere without fear of being caught up in a gun massacre.
It’s more than that - I live in Melbourne, 2nd biggest in Australia, and I’ve never seen a gun apart from on a police officer. I don’t know anyone who has a gun, wouldn’t have a clue how to go about getting a license, have never seen or have any idea of where people buy a gun from, have never seen a gun or gun sale advertised, etc, etc.
Basically, guns do not register at all in the frame of reference for average Aussies.
re: #137 sagehen
I suppose it’s possible people under 30, or who’ve never read sci-fi, would be unfamiliar with the word “grok”.
I do feel like a stranger in a strange land, though.
re: #126 FormerDirtDart
Can you hear the weeping of the knuckle-dragging idiots who were hoping that the shooter was her husband?
it’s midday in Russia
//— WB Young (@FormerDirtDart) October 2, 2017
Here’s the requirement for Trump to produce guidance on IDing Russian agents by today. There’s still no guidance. https://t.co/h1eTqCZbRX pic.twitter.com/rSO8BARs4m
— Emma Best (@NatSecGeek) October 1, 2017
Trump hasn’t implemented Russian sanctions that he signed 2 mos ago & now he missed a deadline to issue guidance to ID Russian intel agents. https://t.co/TdpG19xRxi
— Caroline O. (@RVAwonk) October 1, 2017
BREAKING: Las Vegas shooter has been identified as 64-year-old Stephen Paddock pic.twitter.com/lI76Dona7E
— Amichai Stein (@AmichaiStein1) October 2, 2017
re: #149 fern01
And of course the hate tweets of the president* are forgotten as the US media has somewhere else to concentrate its “one at a time” event.
Does for me.
Actually it doesn’t. Your feelings tell nothing about the perpetrator’s motives.
re: #148 FormerDirtDart
Yup. Everything from 4chan to twitter are overflowing with idiocy.
I notice a number of the spouters have PePe in their avatar.
A coincidence, I’m sure.
JUST IN from CBS News: Per Mesquite Police, suspect white, 60s. Was living in retirement community, no prior run-ins with law enforcement.
— Alex Silverman (@AlexSilverman) October 2, 2017
re: #152 Nyet
Actually it doesn’t. Your feelings tell nothing about the perpetrator’s motives.
ANYONE who turns up with a gun and shoots uncontrollably at a random group of people has a motive that indicates terror. As usual this is my last post to you on this topic. You just go on and on and on and on.
To me he is a terrorist. To you he is a shooter. I see no difference. You see some sort of difference.
Have we gotten to this point on the cable new channels yet this morning?
If not, I am sure they’ll get around to it.
I only say this as I refuse to pay for cable at this point, so I am honestly asking.
On a positive note, at least my local news here will be worth watching for once to get information that is not weather related.
re: #155 fern01
ANYONE who turns up with a gun and shoots uncontrollably at a random group of people has a motive that indicates terror. As usual this is my last post to you on this topic. You just go on and on and on and on.
To me he is a terrorist. To you he is a shooter. I see no difference. You see some sort of difference.
You might want to look up the definition of terrorism before you embarrass yourself any further.
re: #132 fern01
As for the police definition of “terrorism” - someone who kills 20 people and injures 100 is “not a terrorist”?
Terrorism as defined as more than simply a mass-murder, even with a machine gun.
To be terrorism, the act must also include an element of ideology, such as religion or politics, to coerce behaviour.
It is most certainly terrifying, but without the shooter’s motive (for example, political statement, or a very dramatic suicide by cop), we cannot say if it is an act of terrorism.
re: #154 FormerDirtDart
One reason I didn’t retire to NV - don’t want to live in a park full of old guys with guns all over the place, listening to who knows what crackpot on AM radio in the early morning hours.
That’s a bit snarky but also true. Far too many unstable people in this country, and many of them have guns. Lots of guns.
re: #157 Nyet
You might want to look up the definition of terrorism before you embarrass yourself any further.
I am not in any way embarrassed by anything to do with a gunman causing terror. You might want to stop the insults
On CNN, Sheriff just announced 50 dead, 200+ injured
re: #154 FormerDirtDart
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“No priors” would point to an ideological motive, especially for someone 64 years old.
Local news now saying 50 dead and 200+ injured. I really hope that’s not right.
re: #162 fern01
I am not in any way embarrassed by anything to do with a gunman causing terror. You might want to stop the insults
Hey, what happened to “As usual this is my last post to you on this topic”?
And do look up the definition of terrorism, because you seem to be under impression that it simply means “causing terror in people” and on that basis try to correct people who actually know better.
re: #164 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines
“No priors” would point to an ideological motive, especially for someone 64 years old.
Not necessarily. It does seem unusual though.
It’s times like these that I really wish there was a god. And she had a universal remote with one hell of a mute button.
re: #166 Nyet
Hey, what happened to “As usual this is my last post to you on this topic”?
And do look up the definition of terrorism, because you seem to be under impression that it simply means “causing terror in people” and on that basis try to correct people who actually know better.
I don’t take kindly to being insulted - you NEVER stop with the insults
As I saw earlier, there were something near 40,000 people attending the event
re: #155 fern01
I hear what you are saying but while every shooting is terrorizing to those present, not every shooting is an act of terrorism. We need to wait and find out what his motives, if any, were. He could be nuts, he could be losing his house because of a gambling problem, he could be a political nutjob or whatever.
Let this unfold and make an assessment when more facts are in.
CNN reporting Marilou Danley has been located
re: #170 FormerDirtDart
As I saw earlier, there were something near 40,000 people attending the event
With the crowd packed that tightly for an outdoor concert, and someone spraying gunfire from above with an automatic weapon, it would seem that nearly every bullet would hit someone.
re: #169 fern01
I don’t take kindly to being insulted - you NEVER stop with the insults
I don’t take kindly to aggressive ignorance and I hadn’t insulted you before you started being an asshole in #155.
For families looking to locate missing loved ones, please call [no phone numbers allowed].
— LVMPD (@LVMPD) October 2, 2017
re: #164 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines
I’m trying to figure out what ideological bent would be satisfied by opening fire at a country music show.
I mean, I don’t like country music but … ;)
So already higher body count than Pulse nightclub… and the numbers are probably not final.
re: #176 Odie Hugh Manatee
Unless the shooter left written or recorded statements, it may never be possible to really know what was intended.
If this guy had no other records, then it is a quandary.
I will note that even though “mental illness is so easily bandied about, as we age the onset of dementia or small strokes can alter a personality.
re: #165 alloutofcrazyhere
Local news now saying 50 dead and 200+ injured. I really hope that’s not right.
Horrific.
I am usually a very level-headed person, but this country and its gun policies are imho moronic on their best days.
Not to stereotype too much, but this guy is from Mesquite if I am hearing it correctly, and that sorta makes sense if you are familiar with Nevada.
Mesquite is a pretty “redneck” place where I’d expect a “protect yourself from the tyrannical government” type of gun loon to live.
re: #178 freetoken
They have his roomie, Marilou. She may be able to shed some light on it.
re: #171 Odie Hugh Manatee
I hear what you are saying but while every shooting is terrorizing to those present, not every shooting is an act of terrorism. We need to wait and find out what his motives, if any, were. He could be nuts, he could be losing his house because of a gambling problem, he could be a political nutjob or whatever.
Let this unfold and make an assessment when more facts are in.
I understand what you are saying & I appreciate how you say it - but the definition of terrorism that I use is - someone who causes terror - whether it be for political reasons, idealism reasons or because he had a fight with his mother, wife, child this morning or for any of the reasons you mention.
The pundits are saying this was well planned & executed, it wasn’t something that happened because of convenience/access/a moment in time. I don’t know how else to describe it other than terrorism.
Whatever - it is horrendous - death toll could well be more than ours in Tasmania which ushered in our current gun control laws. I’ll just go away for a while and contemplate privately what on earth is happening in our world.
re: #180 alloutofcrazyhere
I am usually a very level-headed person, but this country and its gun policies are imho moronic on their best days.
When the police reports come in we will know what kind of weapon(s) it was. What if the weapon(s) in use were in fact legal in NV? Will this event force the politicians there to do something?
Probably not.
Even if the weapon is already illegal, the question will become how can a 64 year old with no priors so easily find such a weapon. Probably through friends who are gun nuts.
Trying to inject some humor into a bad situation, but does this mean that the yam is going to pay a visit?
I guess it’s good for once that he’s an uncaring sociopath.
The real losers here, other than the dead and injured, will be the Puerto Rico story disappearing off of the news cycle.
re: #181 Odie Hugh Manatee
They have his roomie, Marilou. She may be able to shed some light on it.
Now that they know who he is, the police can also ask friends, family members, &c., search social media posts if he has any, a cell phone if he has one, debts, outstanding bills, &c.
While they police can’t get inside his head from the moment he did this, they can probably get a pretty good idea what he was thinking about beforehand.
There is also the question of a machine gun (comparing sounds of various machine guns available at YouTube, the thing still sounds most like an AK-47 to me). Machine guns are legal but very heavily regulated.
Did the guy get this thing legally? If no, how did he get it?
re: #184 alloutofcrazyhere
Trying to inject some humor into a bad situation, but does this mean that the yam is going to pay a visit?
We’re a few minutes away from his usual tweet time. Soon we will find out what comes across the twitter from the golf course.
re: #161 freetoken
One reason I didn’t retire to NV - don’t want to live in a park full of old guys with guns all over the place, listening to who knows what crackpot on AM radio in the early morning hours.
That’s a bit snarky but also true. Far too many unstable people in this country, and many of them have guns. Lots of guns.
Where I live, I have never seen anybody walking around with a sidearm. You go up to where this person lives, there will be many more people likely to have many weapons, open carrying etc. And just south from there is Bunkerville, where assholes like Cliven Bundy live.
Thats not to say people like me don’t have weapons, we just don’t advertise them and certainly don’t fetishize them like 2nd amendment rwnj’s do.
A deeply sad day for the city of Las Vegas. London sends our condolences to the victims and their families.
— Mayor of London (@MayorofLondon) October 2, 2017
OK, so how’s this for a scenario? The perpetrators of this heinous act are white Americans.
The right-wing nut jobs, despondent they can’t blame Muslims, pronounce it to be a “false flag operation.”
The orange shitgibbon buys into it and starts retweeting Alex Jones et al.
re: #182 fern01
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The pundits are saying this was well planned & executed, it wasn’t something that happened because of convenience/access/a moment in time. I don’t know how else to describe it other than terrorism.Whatever - it is horrendous - death toll could well be more than ours in Tasmania which ushered in our current gun control laws. I’ll just go away for a while and contemplate privately what on earth is happening in our world.
How would “pundits” know what well-planned is? It doesn’t seem that this would be much more difficult than tote a gun and a bunch of ammunition up to a room. That doesn’t take a lot of planning.
The only “planning” part that seems would be hard is where to get a machine gun. Unless it was not his own, then some research would be required, but not planning.
Use of machine guns in crimes has been extremely rare since the Thirties when heavy restrictions were passed against possessing them without special permitting.
Now if this gun came in from outside the country, that would indicate some planning. Despite loose gun laws in the nation, getting them in is a whole ‘nother story.
re: #182 fern01
While you may believe that your interpretation is the correct one, it’s not the interpretation just about everyone else is operating on. Regarding what the pundits say, do you really believe that news outlets are going to correctly interpret what happened immediately after it happened? No, they want eyes, ears and clicks. Don’t rush to judgment, let the wingnuts do that.
There is no doubt that the people there were terrorized, no doubt about that at all. Whether or not it was an act of terrorism remains to be seen.
Typically, Trump would have issued his first tweet of the day by now.
re: #189 Scout
The right-wing nut jobs, despondent they can’t blame Muslims, pronounce it to be a “false flag operation.”
Let me check twitter. They’re probably foaming right now.
re: #192 FormerDirtDart
Usually around 4AM Pacific time, but there have been days where he’s put off tweeting until later.
re: #187 VegasGolfer
Where I live, I have never seen anybody walking around with a sidearm. You go up to where this person lives, there will be many more people likely to have many weapons, open carrying etc. And just south from there is Bunkerville, where assholes like Cliven Bundy live.
Thats not to say people like me don’t have weapons, we just don’t advertise them and certainly don’t fetishize them like 2nd amendment rwnj’s do.
Yup. Nebraska is an open-carry state, but we don’t have nutjobs doing that here, either. Occasionally I will see someone walking down toward the river or up into the Sandhills with a rifle to go hunting, or someone taking a gun in a case out to go in or out of the gun shop around the corner from my house, but that’s it.
No wingnuts slinging a firearm in a grocery store or restaurant (and if someone did, I would be right out the door).
re: #193 Nyet
Well, there you go.
I called it. “he’ll be white” False flag.
— Scott Page (@ScottPageUSMC) October 2, 2017
I over-wintered in Scottsdale once, and remember driving on the freeway north of Phoenix and seeing this old guy driving but at the same time pointing what looked to be a short shotgun at someone he was road raging against.
We’re a nation full of these people.
A prediction: if he’s wearing anything Nazi, it’s a false flag. I bet this terrorist was up to his eyeballs in communist propaganda.
— Kevin Spence (@SunShneBluSkies) October 2, 2017
OK last one, but there are probably 1000s right now.
or
An Obama, Hillary, & Soros false flag to take our firearms away— John Heflin (@jch6289) October 2, 2017
re: #183 freetoken
There was a new gun regulation policy on the ballot in 2016 that passed, but the governor struck it down.
Unfortunately, I don’t remember the specifics of it, but it was pretty common sense and nothing dramatic.
If the voters approve it in the next voting cycle, it’ll be law regardless of the governor’s intentions/actions.
Muslim animal or Hillary’s voter or #BlackLivesMatter supporter = same kind of terrorist.#StephenPaddock #mandalaybay
— Enzo Giovanni (@enzogiovanni) October 2, 2017
White House says offers “our full support to state and local officials. All of those affected are in our thoughts and prayers.”
— NBC Nightly News (@NBCNightlyNews) October 2, 2017
Because he can’t point to his travel ban. This definitely doesn’t fit his fave narrative.#MandalayBay #LasVegas #DomesticTerrorism
— Marie Nina (@MarieNinaAune) October 2, 2017
How very progressive and not at all racist.
Im cautious of “brown” people especially asians or indians (India) wanting to be in “solidarity” because they switch up. ie @kalpenn
— officialERICA GARNER (@es_snipes) September 30, 2017
My warmest condolences and sympathies to the victims and families of the terrible Las Vegas shooting. God bless you!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 2, 2017
re: #203 FormerDirtDart
Ah yes, I love when politicians offer the “thoughts and prayers” line.
It’s not like they can’t do anything to help lessen the chance of a tragedy like this from happening … or something something.
re: #206 FormerDirtDart
At least he isn’t using twitter for free advertising for his gaudy Trump hotel here.
Yet.
You’ve never had sympathy for anyone in your life.
— jay (@random__name) October 2, 2017
Back in 1927 was the worst mass school killing in the USA, the Bath School Disaster. (Bath, Michigan is only a few miles from where I grew up.)
That involved setting up the whole school with explosives (dynamite and Pyrotol, which at that time anyone could buy), after the guy killed his wife.
The police surmised from him burning down his farm, killing his wife, blowing up half the school, and blowing up his truck that he was protesting losing a local election and personal and financial stress.
Within a year, all dynamite and Pyrotol was removed for sale from stores across the country, and license procedures were implemented to obtain them.
Nowadays with shootings, it’s “well, we can’t do anything” or “it’s too soon to talk about this.”
If Sandy Hook and Columbine and such didn’t move the “family values party” to attempt something at all, this won’t either.
They truly are a death cult.
Don’t forget to reset your clocks today
Because it is once again “too soon” to talk about guns in America
re: #211 FormerDirtDart
Don’t forget to reset your clocks today
Because it is once again “too soon” to talk about guns in America
If there’s a mass-shooting a day, there’ll never be time to talk about them.
re: #199 Nyet
OK last one, but there are probably 1000s right now.
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I’m fairly certain that one mocking the left and right wing conspiracy nuts who jump to these sorts of conclusions.
re: #211 FormerDirtDart
Another great one is the, “Warggglegarbbble good guy with a gun….”
Ranks right up there with the “invisible hand” of the free market crapola.
re: #213 Weaselone
I’m fairly certain that one mocking the left and right wing conspiracy nuts who jump to these sorts of conclusions.
That was my first thought before I checked his TL.
Our heart goes out to all in Vegas. We stand with you and we send you our love and prayers. Stay strong. Bendiciones. @MandalayBay @Vegas
— Carmen Yulín Cruz (@CarmenYulinCruz) October 2, 2017
re: #212 Nyet
If there’s a mass-shooting a day, there’ll never be time to talk about them.
Doesn’t take that sort of frequency. Number of days after a mass shooting in which you cant talk about gun control = 7 + deaths + 1/2 injured + shut up libtard
Here is a rundown of Nevada gun laws. It’s lawful to possess a machine gun that is legally registered https://t.co/BjdQm68crz
— Sam Stein (@samstein) October 2, 2017
re: #219 Weaselone
I sit corrected.
Now that I have scrolled even further down, I suspect that our first inklings were correct after all, since he seems to mock 9/11 truthers. But if so, that’s some ultra-deadpan humor.
This schmuck put up a seizure-inducing gif on Twitter that starts automatically on the Mandalay Bay hashtag.
This user needs to be flagged into oblivion.
Behind the privacy bar. If the MAGAnuts are going to start doing that again, I guess I’ll stay away from Twitter again.
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In retrospect Sandy Hook marked the end of the US gun control debate. Once America decided killing children was bearable, it was over.
— (((Dan Hodges))) (@DPJHodges) June 19, 2015
re: #224 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines
They do both start with “M”, right? Simple minds and all that.
re: #225 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs
In retrospect Sandy Hook marked the end of the US gun control debate. Once America decided killing children was bearable, it was over.
I saw nothing positive come out of that, and America showed that it had no teachable moments when it comes to gun fetishery
‘Deepest, not warmest’: Internet blasts Trump for awkward ‘warmest condolences’ to Vegas shooting victims https://t.co/3rJq7bTaP7
— Raw Story (@RawStory) October 2, 2017
re: #228 FormerDirtDart
‘Deepest, not warmest’: Internet blasts Trump for awkward ‘warmest condolences’ to Vegas shooting victims
I also found that formulation to be rather inappropriate, awkward or simply insincere and not thought out at all…
re: #229 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
I also found that formulation to be rather inappropriate, awkward or simply insincere and not thought out at all…
It’s Trump so replace “or” with “and”.
re: #229 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
I also found that formulation to be rather inappropriate, awkward or simply insincere and not thought out at all…
“My condolences” is the usual framing for that … it is personal.
I don’t know what Donald Trump’s problem with English is now, because recordings of him from past appearances on the radio and television show him to be more articulate.
It’s not just his use of Twitter either; on television or radio today his English is just as mangled.
It will only be a false flag if the shooter wasn’t a registered Democrat.
re: #231 Anymouse 🌹
You’re watching him? You are a stronger person than I…or a more chemically “fortified” person.
Wake up and CBS news is reporting on this massacre. Not a good way to start the day.
Now I see President Dolt 45’s tweet.
50 more dead thanks to the Tiny Pee Pee Club and their enablers in the GOP who want to pass a law legalizing silencers. This madness is going to continue until the guns are turned on the rich.
re: #232 Mike Lamb
It will only be a false flag if the shooter wasn’t a registered Democrat.
Well yeah, they missed every other tick box:
- Brown/Black
- Muslim/BLM
- Jihadi/”Thug”
- Immigrant/Out-of-prison
So they’re going to go for “He was a life-long Democrat” or “He was mentally ill.”
There is a Trump tweet for everything, and this one isn’t very old:
Do you notice we are not having a gun debate right now? That’s because they used knives and a truck!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) June 4, 2017
re: #236 Joe Bacon 🌹
“warmest condolences” my CENSORED a$$…
I’m afraid that may be the high point for Trump for the day, as soon as the NFL ratings come out then he’ll start talking about those.
50 people are dead from guns but DON’T TOUCH THE #2A
0 people are dead from speech but LET’S LIMIT THE #FirstAmendment— 🌍Vicious Babushka🌎 (@viciousbabushka) October 2, 2017
Next question…is the fact that this happened in the middle of the night and that the WH likely had some information on the shooter when Fuckface was briefed the only thing that prevented Fuckface from sending out tweets about Muslim terrorism?
My dad and step mom live in Vegas. If I had to guess I’d say they weren’t there but I am going to call and check on them shortly.
re: #239 Joe Bacon 🌹
We will hear the honchos at the Tiny Pee Pee club BS about the Tree of Liberty being fed again just like they say at every mass shooting.
This is the reality of who belongs to the Tiny Pee Pee Club!
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Not to worry, they’ll start in about how the gun was no doubt illegally owned because no legal gun owner would do such a thing…until it turns out that it was perfectly legal from A to Z, at which point they’ll shift gears without a clutch and start attacking people for suggesting that any gun laws were broken.
So we have a new worst mass shooting just two years after the last worst mass shooting.
This is not a good trend.
re: #244 Eclectic Cyborg
So we have a new worst mass shooting just two years after the last worst mass shooting.
This is not a good trend.
Good point.
Massive amounts of gunfire & many casualties in #LasVegas @MandalayBay concert tonight. Feels like I’m watching a repeat of Bataclan attack. pic.twitter.com/nAeFdWr20K
— Laura Loomer (@LauraLoomer) October 2, 2017
Country music fans are generally white, patriotic, & love America. These people were targeted. Reminds me of Bataclan & @ArianaGrande attack https://t.co/MbAlcckqni
— Laura Loomer (@LauraLoomer) October 2, 2017
Jesus Christ
She’s reaching here:
There is still a connection to Islam. So don’t rule that out yet. The woman of interest traveled to the Middle East in the past year.
— Laura Loomer (@LauraLoomer) October 2, 2017
re: #247 electrotek
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Jesus Christ
The Republican 24/7 Bullshit Machine never stops…
I suspect Jim Wright will be writing another of his “Bang Bang Crazy” series over at stonekettle.com
Meanwhile, more nonsense from the conservative Brain Trust at Twitter:
See folks.. how did I know? @georgesoros set this whole shooting up. #mandalaybay #LasVegas #
— Ogden The Great (@OgdenTheYounger) October 2, 2017
re: #248 electrotek
She’s reaching here:
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Uh if they want to play that game, Christians visit Israel all the time. And the many people involved with the oil industry. As for it being a country music concert, I think the fact it was a large concert in Vegas is more relevant so yeah she’s stretching.
re: #250 Anymouse 🌹
I suspect Jim Wright will be writing another of his “Bang Bang Crazy” series over at stonekettle.com
Meanwhile, more nonsense from the conservative Brain Trust at Twitter:
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Did they give that ass 280 characters as well?
re: #250 Anymouse 🌹
I suspect Jim Wright will be writing another of his “Bang Bang Crazy” series over at stonekettle.com
Meanwhile, more nonsense from the conservative Brain Trust at Twitter:
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Jesus Christ. Yep Soros did this. You totally got him.//
Gotta love this country sometimes …
Right to bear arms … Absolutely!
Right to healthcare … *Crickets*
Oh what irony, I am watching the local news here in Vegas, and the reporter is out near the scene doing her thing, and there’s a large billboard in the background that says “Gun Show -October 7-8th.”
Because of course SMOTI
Gateway Pundit ran a story blaming a Maddow fan for NV, since deleted. (h/t @paleofuture) pic.twitter.com/XQnbwlTTWt
— Philip Bump (@pbump) October 2, 2017
I love how, in the Trump-era, wingnuts have stopped using the ol’ “Let’s wait for more facts” BS.
Here, once again, is my real simple ban: all clips that can hold more than ten rounds, all automatic weapons or any weapon that can easily modified to an automatic weapon.
re: #255 The Vicious Babushka
Because of course SMOTI
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He’s a fucking ghoul. And the right has the nerve to accuse people on the left of politicizing shootings.
re: #232 Mike Lamb
I’ve already checked out a few of my favorite crazy shit holes that I like to cruise to take the pulse of racist asshole pasty-colored Americans, I mean conservatives. and you are spot on. One idiot is claiming it was a Native American and most others are saying if it’s a white guy then it’s either a “lib” or a false flag op. More than a few are already running with false flag. One black member (it’s a racing community) is harassing the shit out of them about the shit they would be saying if the guy was black.
He’s having a blast.
re: #255 The Vicious Babushka
Because of course SMOTI
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Trash like that makes me want to see the US adopt British-style libel laws.
‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens , Pt. ∞
Just….numb. Holy shit.
re: #262 Citizen K
Some guy locally just said exactly that.
We do need to seriously reevaluate our gun laws.
Conservatism is a social disease.
re: #264 HappyWarrior
Didn’t you hear, it’s too soon to talk about that!
re: #262 Citizen K
‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens , Pt. ∞
Just….numb. Holy shit.
And I’ll chime in with Czech firearms laws. You can own a firearm here…..it’s not so free and easy as in the USA, but these kind of atrocities are exceedingly rare here.
A gun in the Czech Republic is available to anybody subject to acquiring a shall issue firearms license first. Gun licenses may be obtained in a way very similar to a driving license - by passing a gun proficiency exam, medical examination and having a clean criminal record. Unlike in most other European countries, the Czech gun legislation also permits a citizen to carry a concealed weapon for self-defense - 240,000 out of some 300,000 legal gun owners have concealed carry permit. Vast majority of Czech gun owners possess their firearms for protection, with hunting and sport shooting being less common.
I have a few students who have a concealed carry permit - and there isn’t one of them I wouldn’t trust with a firearm.
Just sayin’.
I’m so sick and sad about what’s happening to our country.
re: #255 The Vicious Babushka
Because of course SMOTI
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Here’s the cached version of the story before Dim Jim deleted it. It’s easy to see why it was deleted: He pulled it just as soon as the LVPD identified Stephen Paddock as the shooter, because originally the wingnut collective went with the idea that if Marilou Danley was involved, then her hubby (who they quickly found on social media) must be the shooter.
re: #265 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines
Conservatism is a social disease.
Quite often a mental one too.
re: #255 The Vicious Babushka
Because of course SMOTI
He’ll run a correction, apologizing for the BS story, right?
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re: #267 Dr Lizardo
And I’ll chime in with Czech firearms laws. You can own a firearm here…..it’s not so free and easy as in the USA, but these kind of atrocities are exceedingly rare here.
I have a few students who have a concealed carry permit - and there isn’t one of them I wouldn’t trust with a firearm.
Just sayin’.
See, here’s the problem: in many states, you don’t have to prove proficiency or responsibility with the weapon to own them. Any nut with money and time to wait can get one without having to prove you can use it or prove you can be responsible for it. And what states that have those requirements have seen them pared back, all for the sake of ‘freedom’.
re: #271 Sir John Barron
He’ll run a correction, apologizing for the BS story, right?
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No, he did what he always does: He dumped it down the memory hole and hoped that nobody other than his brain-dead fans saw it.
re: #269 Targetpractice
And wow! It’s a “guest post” by SMOTI’s brother. And we just discovered yesterday that SMOTI’s brother is every bit the brain dead moron that SMOTI is!
re: #247 electrotek
Country music fans are generally
white, patriotic, & love Americathe same as me.
re: #248 electrotek
There is still a connection to Islam
If it’s just some lone wolf then don’t politicize this but there’s a chance we can still blame it on Islam.
UPDATE: 50 killed, estimated 406 people transported to the hospital in Las Vegas mass shooting pic.twitter.com/C4YMWUrOJG
— NBC News (@NBCNews) October 2, 2017
re: #274 Joe Bacon 🌹
SBOTIs! Stupidest Bros On The Internet…how do you pronounce SBOTI?
re: #269 Targetpractice
Jesus. The comments are insane.
re: #277 FormerDirtDart
Are you f0cking kidding me? 50?
re: #269 Targetpractice
Serial liar @gatewaypundit did indeed try to set up an innocent person for the Las Vegas shooting. pic.twitter.com/UtroyXErXG
— Sergey Romanov (@S_ergeyR_omanov) October 2, 2017
Now saying 400+ total taken to the hospital. Least that’s what the local news is saying.
Guess we’ll see how that holds up.
re: #272 Citizen K
See, here’s the problem: in many states, you don’t have to prove proficiency or responsibility with the weapon to own them. Any nut with money and time to wait can get one without having to prove you can use it or prove you can be responsible for it. And what states that have those requirements have seen them pared back, all for the sake of ‘freedom’.
I suppose the usual crowd would be screaming about TYRANNY!! if someone proposed similar Federal firearms laws in the USA.
Hell, Texas would probably try to secede, LOL.
These are the most horrible garbage people on earth==>
Meanwhile, over on 4chan… lots of celebrating over getting a “high score.” pic.twitter.com/OIEGOubFE3
— Parker Molloy (@ParkerMolloy) October 2, 2017
re: #278 I cannot.
SBOTIs! Stupidest Bros On The Internet…how do you pronounce SBOTI?
Oh, I think “B”-hole is the correct pronunciation since neither of them has what it takes to be an “A”-hole!
re: #185 Anymouse 🌹
There is also the question of a machine gun (comparing sounds of various machine guns available at YouTube, the thing still sounds most like an AK-47 to me). Machine guns are legal but very heavily regulated.
Sounds like an AK-74 to me, slow rate of fire. I am not going to post any youtube vids to back that up.
re: #285 The Vicious Babushka
These are the most horrible garbage people on earth==>
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Ah, 4Chan……the Internet cesspit for angsty teen edgelords and shitposters.
*headdesk*
re: #285 The Vicious Babushka
These are the most horrible garbage people on earth==>
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Worse than SMOTI even. JFC. What such disregard for lives.
re: #269 Targetpractice
When I saw the pic of her husband, my first thought was “That doesn’t look like a killer”. I’m glad to see that my assessment was correct. I’m interested in seeing the face of this killer.
re: #285 The Vicious Babushka
These are the most horrible garbage people on earth==>
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Sick, sick freaks.
re: #285 The Vicious Babushka
Like I said: I fucking hate this country sometimes.
re: #293 Eclectic Cyborg
Like I said: I fucking hate this country sometimes.
It’s 4chan. Not America.
re: #274 Joe Bacon 🌹
And wow! It’s a “guest post” by SMOTI’s brother. And we just discovered yesterday that SMOTI’s brother is every bit the brain dead moron that SMOTI is!
It’s a franchise
re: #293 Eclectic Cyborg
Like I said: I fucking hate this country sometimes.
It’s stuff like this that makes me afraid that this country has passed the point of no return and the implosion and collapse are coming…
re: #285 The Vicious Babushka
These are the most horrible garbage people on earth==>
Are they cheering the concert deaths or is this something else?
re: #297 Sir John Barron
Are they cheering the concert deaths or is this something else?
They’re treating it like a real-life version of Death Race 2000!
JUST IN: Former President Barack Obama tweets. “Michelle and I are praying for the victims in Las Vegas” pic.twitter.com/UXmcu722L1
— NBC News (@NBCNews) October 2, 2017
Pres. Trump and First Lady Melania Trump respond on Twitter to Vegas shooting: “My heart and prayers goes out” https://t.co/GEgv4oofBH pic.twitter.com/HIztIMDeWp
— ABC News (@ABC) October 2, 2017
To add to below, just a minute ago on CNN they announced she appears to be out of the country
LVPD does not believe the gunman’s companion, Marilou Danley, was involved in the shooting, per @CNN
— Natasha Bertrand (@NatashaBertrand) October 2, 2017
Stephen Paddock: What we know about Las Vegas shooting suspect https://t.co/RPpioAAM9K
— Fox News (@FoxNews) October 2, 2017
Fox News description of Las Vegas mass murderer: “Just a guy” #LasVegasShootings #TheResistance #gunsense https://t.co/3cXwj0vgWc
— 🌍Vicious Babushka🌎 (@viciousbabushka) October 2, 2017
re: #297 Sir John Barron
Are they cheering the concert deaths or is this something else?
Looks like cheering to me.
re: #289 jeffreyw
Store bought or home made cat tree?
The reason I ask is because I build these and I was wondering what the price point I could put them at. The scratching post is made from a 3” diameter pvc pipe wrapped with sisal rope. Cats love it.
re: #303 The Vicious Babushka
From news I have read the Clark County Sheriff says that Paddock is known to them and has a criminal past, though none of it in Nevada.
So, assholes post fake news, delete it and then claim it’s “proof”
#antifa #fuckantifa #terrorists good thing i saved this before the p*ssies deleted it pic.twitter.com/OndYNKLomh
— Niklaus Heydrich (@Panzerkorp38) October 2, 2017
So, #TheResistance. The #LasVegas shooter was one of your own. What was it that was supposed to “trump hate” again? #LasVegasShooting https://t.co/bqdgDvK2gT
— ♱ Dr. Seraphicus ♱ (@seraphic_dr) October 2, 2017
Yes, the little fakenews bots have their marching orders
New far-right narrative forming: Stephen Paddock is “Antifa” pic.twitter.com/vHe77FD1im
— Ryan Broderick (@broderick) October 2, 2017
In case you’re wondering how this works, here’s a 4chan thread called “CONTROL THE NARRATIVE. DON’T LET FAKE NEWS TAKE CONTROL.” pic.twitter.com/gtGcXOjtsx
— Ryan Broderick (@broderick) October 2, 2017
I’m going to go ahead and guess this shooter will be dismissed as “mentally ill”
re: #308 Odie Hugh Manatee
From news I have read, the Clark County Sheriff says that Paddock is known to them and has a criminal past, though none of it in Nevada.
I’m watching the Sheriff right now, just said he had a “citation” a number of years ago, and it was dealt with through normal channels (or words to that effect)
re: #310 The Vicious Babushka
Yes, the little fakenews bots have their marching orders
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And how many Russian bots are getting in on the action?
re: #311 Eclectic Cyborg
I’m going to go ahead and guess this shooter will be dismissed as “mentally ill”
That appears to be “old & busted.” The “new hotness” is claiming every shooter is a Jihadi (Muslim), BLM (Black), or Antifa (White).
“We believed the individual killed himself prior to our entry,” Sheriff Lombardo says of Las Vegas shooting suspect https://t.co/czfMSEMkpu pic.twitter.com/9COFd5lkQe
— CBS News (@CBSNews) October 2, 2017
re: #310 The Vicious Babushka
Yes, the little fakenews bots have their marching orders
So do they claim to have found this guy’s FB page or other social media accounts?
re: #316 Sir John Barron
So has this guy’s FB page been found or other social media accounts mined for political affiliation?
Pretty sure the little botchicks are making up fake social media accounts.
This guy (Fox News calls him “just a guy”) does not seem to be the type who would have an active social media profile.
Here Are All The Hoaxes Being Spread About The Las Vegas Shooting
re: #267 Dr Lizardo
And I’ll chime in with Czech firearms laws. You can own a firearm here…..it’s not so free and easy as in the USA, but these kind of atrocities are exceedingly rare here.
I have a few students who have a concealed carry permit - and there isn’t one of them I wouldn’t trust with a firearm.
Just sayin’.
I would love to see the Czech laws here. Especially the psych test, the first aid test and the weapon handling tests before being licensed.
Sheriff says officials aren’t labeling it terrorism because shooter could just be a “distraught person.”
— Judd Legum (@JuddLegum) October 2, 2017
Welp.
Something else to hate about nuclear weapons: They cannot be used to destroy 4chan. The Russian bots, on the other hand…….
OK, done with the news for a while.
No one knows anything, nor will they for hours
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WTF America??? I am stunned.
Seems to me this episode may throw all of our “thinking” about guns, terrorists, politics and fellow Americans right out the window.
(I put guns first for reasons)
THIS SEEMS TO REFLECT THE WORLD WE LIVE IN:
Las Vegas attack being described as a “shooting.” I wonder why. Steven Paddock being described as a “shooter.” I wonder why. #DoubleStandard pic.twitter.com/N5tdLW50Fn
— Dr. Craig Considine (@CraigCons) October 2, 2017
re: #312 FormerDirtDart
This is the quote I read:
A report via NBC News cited Clark County Sheriff Joseph Lombardo saying Paddock had a criminal past and was known to local law enforcement. Public records do not show any criminal convictions for Paddock in Nevada.
Thanks for the clarification!
re: #327 I Would Prefer Not To
THIS SEEMS TO REFLECT THE WORLD WE LIVE IN:
Fake News Media covering up for antifa!
re: #328 Odie Hugh Manatee
This is the quote I read:
Thanks for the clarification!
The running theme is if you’re white you’ve a “history” with law enforcement but shockingly no arrests or jail time (which would restrict or ban you from owning a firearm), but if you’re black then you’ve a long criminal record (of speeding tickets and missed court appearances).
Another day in paradise. Another mass shooting and this one is now the deadliest in American history. USA USA USA.
Fuck the NRA and Fuck the GOP that continues to send nothing but thoughts and prayers to confront the consequences of gun violence across the nation.
But for the easy availability of firearms, this mass shooting would not have occurred.
And that goes for every other mass shooting and domestic violence homicide and suicide too.
The easy availability of guns makes this all but inevitable because the GOP and NRA wont let gun laws be tightened to restrict access to people who are mentally impaired, or otherwise shouldn’t have guns.
The GOP instead is focused on legislation to make it easier to obtain silencers for those guns.
Thoughts and prayers is a dodge and weave to avoid taking action.
Too soon to talk about Columbine? Pulse nightclub? Sandy Hook? Because it’s always too soon to talk easy availability of guns for NRA/GOP
— lawhawk (@lawhawk) October 2, 2017
re: #321 Citizen K
The sheriff is right, until motives are known it’s not proven terrorism.
re: #334 lawhawk
Can’t wait for the next NRA video threatening the media, Democrats, RINOs, Hollywood, etc.
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LIVE: Las Vegas shooter killed himself before police arrived, had more than 10 guns - sheriff https://t.co/xEe9wGilQE pic.twitter.com/w0znKAQTw9
— Reuters Top News (@Reuters) October 2, 2017
Guy had 10 guns, what the NRA would label “An arsenal of freedom.”
re: #334 lawhawk
What’s that old saying?
Paraphrasing here:
“If thoughts and prayers weren’t free, nobody would offer them.”
re: #335 Nyet
The sheriff is right, until motives are known it’s not proven terrorism.
The problem here is where comparable incidents have happened, and the officials go out of their way to state ‘terrorism hasn’t been ruled out’ and such. It’s a clearly different tone, especially where they offer up the possibility he was ‘simply distraught’. It speaks deeply toward what counts as ‘terrorism’ in our country’s psyche.
re: #335 Nyet
The sheriff is right, until motives are known it’s not proven terrorism.
True, as in the way the word terrorist and terrorism seems to be used now.
But for the people there at the concert it sure was terrorism.
re: #339 Citizen K
The problem here is where comparable incidents have happened, and the officials go out of their way to state ‘terrorism hasn’t been ruled out’ and such. It’s a clearly different tone, especially where they offer up the possibility he was ‘simply distraught’. It speaks deeply toward what counts as ‘terrorism’ in our country’s psyche.
Correct, when the shooter has skin darker than a paper bag, we’re informed that “terrorism has not been ruled out” or “the shooting is being investigated as a possible terrorist event.” But if the shooter is white, suddenly terrorism isn’t even spoken unless a reporter asks the question, at which time the police “don’t want to rush to any conclusions.”
Oh look, Mike Pence is sending thoughts and prayers.
Yeah, that is going to help this sick fucking country.
re: #340 ObserverArt
True, as in the way the word terrorist and terrorism seems to be used now.
But for the people there at the concert it sure was terrorism.
Terrorism either is or isn’t. We’ll probably soon know whether it was terrorism in this case. This will then also apply to the people at the concert.
re: #337 Targetpractice
Guy had 10 guns, what the NRA would label “An arsenal of freedom.”
10 guns? Has to be a false flag then. No true gun owner….
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re: #256 Eclectic Cyborg
I hate this fucking country sometimes.
It’s pretty much every single day for me now.
re: #344 Sir John Barron
10 guns? Has to be a false flag then. No true gun owner….
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Like I said upthread, they’ll now insist that nobody could acquire and stockpile that many guns legally, until it turns out every single one was purchased and licensed lawfully, at which time they’ll give us all whiplash by getting outraged that anybody would suggest there’s anything wrong with owning that many guns.
re: #330 FormerDirtDart
That guy must be a bachelor. I loved it!
re: #264 HappyWarrior
We do need to seriously reevaluate our gun laws.
Yeah, right. Probably happen today.
What a thing to wake up to. Lone wolf they say, preliminary assessment to say the least. What makes a killer like that? And where did he get obviously fully automatic fire guns? Just there for the crowd, leaving the nature of the concert irrelevant.
re: #348 Skip Intro
Yeah, right. Probably happen today.
Unfortunately, what will probably happen is exactly what happened after Sandy Hook: gun laws will be stricken, relaxed, repealed, or otherwise erased because “more freedom”.
re: #350 Citizen K
Unfortunately, what will probably happen is exactly what happened after Sandy Hook: gun laws will be stricken, relaxed, repealed, or otherwise erased because “more freedom”.
I’m rather surprised that we haven’t yet heard the “Gun-Free Zone” crowd speak up to declare that if just one person had been armed, this whole shooting never would have happened because a guy who came loaded for bear would shrink away at the possibility that a woman in the back of the crowd had a .25ACP pocket pistol tucked in her bra.
re: #350 Citizen K
If only everyone at the concert was armed ……..
re: #337 Targetpractice
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Guy had 10 guns, what the NRA would label “An arsenal of freedom.”
I figured he had more than one of the full auto rifles. An AR-15 or AK-47 gets awfully hot if you fire a full mag through it full auto, hot enough to malfunction in pretty short order if you don’t let it cool, and that takes a substantial amount of time. I think he alternated guns while each one cooled in turn. I saw a retired FBI agent speculating on Fox about the seemingly long time he took for magazine changes after each barrage. The agent suggested that this was an indication of inadequate or non-existent training. I think it is more likely he was changing guns as well as mags. This raises the question of where in hell he got that many full auto rifles.
PRI’s Marketplace Morning Report dutifully checked the numbers on gunmakers. Most up 3-4% on the news.
re: #352 Skip Intro
If only everyone at the concert was armed ……..
Yeah, they could all have fired back at the windows of a hotel tower of over 40 stories.
re: #351 Targetpractice
I’m rather surprised that we haven’t yet heard the “Gun-Free Zone” crowd speak up to declare that if just one person had been armed, this whole shooting never would have happened because a guy who came loaded for bear would shrink away at the possibility that a woman in the back of the crowd had a .25ACP pocket pistol tucked in her bra.
Guy was locked in a room 32 floors up. across the road
They’re gonna have a hard time with that argument
Still I wouldn’t be surprised when inevitably some try
re: #345 Skip Intro
I had a sort of facepalm sense of humor about a lot of the George W Bush presidency. It was a sense of “how did people ever think that this guy was smart enough to be president” kind of question.
The terrible treatment of Obama changed my opinion of this country permanently for the worse. Trump’s election just further cemented that.
If you aren’t outraged at this point, you either agree with what’s going on, or just have your head so far up your ass, that you could use your tongue to give yourself a colonoscopy.
Who will be the first to blame football players for taking a knee for this? Fox? Limbaugh?
re: #356 dangerman
Guy was locked in a room 32 floors up. across the road
They’re gonna have a hard time with that argumentStill I wouldn’t be surprised when inevitably some try
The dogma of the Cult of the Gun is that a gun is a magic totem that wards off evil, so a single gun in that crowd would have saved them all. To suggest otherwise is to question that dogma and bring down upon yourself their impotent rage and baseless accusations.
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Damn, I wish I had read the comments to the post before I put up my good morning kitteh pic. Awful news.
So I’m curious: How many lone wolves make a pack?
re: #361 I cannot.
Maybe just a grownup…
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“When I grew up, I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.”
re: #307 Shropshire Slasher
Store bought or home made cat tree?
The reason I ask is because I build these and I was wondering what the price point I could put them at. The scratching post is made from a 3” diameter pvc pipe wrapped with sisal rope. Cats love it.
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Store bought, Mrs J says $100-$130 at Amazon as best she can recall.
White terrorist Paddock being of English origin (from Middle English parrock ‘paddock’, ‘small enclosure’, hence a topographic name for a dweller by a paddock or enclosed meadow, or a habitational name from a place named with this word, as for example Paddock Wood in Kent), I expect a travel ban aimed at any UK visitors any day now.
White terrorist paddock was obvious triggered by country music (hidden messages in lyrics?). Ban all white country music immediately!
The Fake News machine is getting the drooling masses all riled up over a “Leftist teacher” who doesn’t even exist.
Leftist Teacher Celebrates “White Trump Supporters” Being Killed in Las Vegas Massacre - https://t.co/6lBfBfZvX4 pic.twitter.com/xEfwoivP0M
— Paul Joseph Watson (@PrisonPlanet) October 2, 2017
re: #352 Skip Intro
If only everyone at the concert was armed ……..
What would have happened would have been you’d have a lot of scared people getting shot with no idea where it was coming from, a few good guys with gun would draw their weapon looking for a shooter, other good guys with guns would see another person with a gun drawn and assume that was the shooter and start shooting. Then that good guy becomes who everyone thinks is the shooter and suddenly you have a lot of people shooting each other and the death toll goes way up.
re: #369 Lupin
Yeah I’m curious about motive on this one.
re: #370 The Vicious Babushka
The Fake News machine is getting the drooling masses all riled up over a “Leftist teacher” who doesn’t even exist.
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Of course they are, I expect way more stories like this as the whole thing moves forward. They want desperately to believe that they are an oppressed people in a nation hostile towards them, so they’re going to look for any evidence they can find, which makes them ripe for people like this who manufacture it and then serve it to them in exchange for clicks.
re: #343 Nyet
Terrorism either is or isn’t. We’ll probably soon know whether it was terrorism in this case. This will then also apply to the people at the concert.
The sheriff was correct in not jumping to the conclusion this was a terrorist attack. What people are pointing out in the comments thread is that the media is usually not so circumspect. Whether something is described as a terrorist attack is generally highly correlated to skin color and religion.
Has the SMOTI’s of the world “discovered” that the shooter/terrorist is a George Soros-linked, Obama-paid staffer?
re: #367 Lupin
White terrorist Paddock being of English origin (from Middle English parrock ‘paddock’, ‘small enclosure’, hence a topographic name for a dweller by a paddock or enclosed meadow, or a habitational name from a place named with this word, as for example Paddock Wood in Kent), I expect a travel ban aimed at any UK visitors any day now.
His girlfriend was Australian, so add them to the ban!!!
re: #374 Weaselone
The sheriff was correct in not jumping to the conclusion this was a terrorist attack. What people are pointing out in the comments thread is that the media is usually not so circumspect. Whether something is described as a terrorist attack is generally highly correlated to skin color and religion.
What’s being pointed out is that we generally only see this behavior of being correct about not jumping to conclusions when the shooter is either known or suspected to be a white guy. When the shooter’s race is unknown or suspected to be a minority, suddenly the LO officials are “not ruling anything out” and investigating it as a “possible terrorist attack.”
re: #377 ObserverArt
And over 400 injured.
The LV Sheriff who was giving the pressers indicated that 50+ were killed and more than 200 injured. Sadly, the death toll is likely to be far higher.
re: #370 The Vicious Babushka
The Fake News machine is getting the drooling masses all riled up over a “Leftist teacher” who doesn’t even exist.
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Even if true. That’s one person. Glenn fucking Beck likened the kids murdered in Norway to Hitler Youth and Watson’s own pal Alex Jones denied Sandy Hook. So fuck off Watson.
I’m inclined to agree with Jim Wright: The guns are out of the bag (a few hundred million of them), and no amount of “gun bans” or whatnot are going to solve anything.
He proposed some time ago putting the NRA right back in the centre of the issue: Enact the NRA’s own gun safety rules as laws. Failure to follow those rules then gets your guns taken away from you.
1. ALWAYS keep the gun pointed in a safe direction.
2. ALWAYS keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot.
3. ALWAYS keep the gun unloaded until ready to use.
His argument is essentially the same as that used by MADD pushing for better drunk drive laws.
Drunk drive laws did not end drunken driving. But over time, they changed the culture where drunken driving was no longer socially acceptable.
Laws can never prevent behaviour, or murder and theft wouldn’t happen though those have been illegal in every society for thousands of years. What laws do is allow you to punish anti-social behaviour.
So if you took the NRA’s own rules and make them law, either the NRA is stuck supporting that or arguing against their own position. They note there are “no exceptions” to their safety rules. Well then, they shouldn’t have a problem with making “no exception” laws to enforce them.
As he also notes, as long as there are conservatives screaming “no restrictions on guns” and liberals “ban guns” there will be no compromise at all. As such, the problem will never have a solution.
Perhaps the NRA could be brought back from the wingnuts that took it over. I learned gun safety from the NRA’s own rules, before the NRA went off the rails. Perhaps using their own rules as laws might do something to bring back sanity.
re: #375 Dr. Matt
Has the SMOTI’s of the world “discovered” that the shooter/terrorist is a George Soros-linked, Obama-paid staffer?
No, but he initially claimed someone else was the killer before taking down that post.
The fucker can’t be bothered with facts and fact checking - he’s just rushing to get the BS to his drooling viewers.
re: #382 lawhawk
No, but he initially claimed someone else was the killer before taking down that post.
The fucker can’t be bothered with facts and fact checking - he’s just rushing to get the BS to his drooling viewers.
Rage Furby will be on the case shortly.
BULLSHIT! Civilians do not need fully automatic weapons.
— Dr. Matt (@DrMatthew) October 2, 2017
re: #384 Dr. Matt
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Uh yeah they certailny would have because he wouldn’t have been able to pick them off like sitting ducks with a handgun the way he did.
Correction: 273rd mass shooting of the year. The 272nd was in Lawrence, KS early Sunday morning.
— Gun Violence Archive (@GunDeaths) October 2, 2017
Mass shootings happen so often the organization tracking them has a hard time keeping up. https://t.co/bRdmxfcZW5
— Christopher Ingraham (@_cingraham) October 2, 2017
re: #386 FormerDirtDart
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This is a problem and one side of the aisle is very uninterested in any sort of solution because it will make their NRA paymasters unhappy.
re: #384 Dr. Matt
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Stricter gun laws don’t prevent mass shootings, which is why Australia has them all the time…or wait, perhaps it was the UK…no, I’m sure it was France…
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re: #386 FormerDirtDart
That Kansas shooting was completely overlooked by me when perusing the news. I’ve probably become numb to these things:
‘Boom, boom, boom, boom’: Shooting in downtown Lawrence leaves three dead, two injured
I see the drooling Deplorables are making up Photoshop fake tweets, expressing glee that “Trump supporters” were killed, for prominent posters to #TheResistance and claiming these are screenshots of “deleted Tweets”
Again show me a link to this on my timeline. You doctored this screenshot and you know it.
— TMT (@TMTredux) October 2, 2017
re: #388 Targetpractice
Stricter gun laws don’t prevent mass shootings, which is why Australia has them all the time…or wait, perhaps it was the UK…no, I’m sure it was France…
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Canada is the mass shooting capital of the world.
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re: #5 FormerDirtDart
More blood to water The Tree of Liberty.
re: #391 Dr. Matt
Canada is the mass shooting capital of the world.
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If you mean hockey pucks, then yes!
re: #390 The Vicious Babushka
I see the drooling Deplorables are making up Photoshop fake tweets, expressing glee that “Trump supporters” were killed, for prominent posters to #TheResistance and claiming these are screenshots of “deleted Tweets”
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That’s really messed up. They’re going to get people threatened for no goddamn reason other than the fact that they just happen to be lefties on Twitter and some right wing asshole desperate to stir up shit. Man, this is fucked.
Perhaps we’ll get another round of “We need gun laws like Israel/Switzerland has because…” arguments that assume pictures of people with rifles over their shoulders in public mean it’s a gun owner’s paradise rather than way more restrictive than they’d ever be comfortable with.
re: #384 Dr. Matt
And yet, Mediatite is correct. The police have not said whether the gun was legally-owned or not, or even how many guns were involved.
Since the ban on automatic weapons in the Thirties unless you obtained a very difficult licence to get, no legally-obtained automatic weapons have been used in crimes.
If the owner of this (or these) gun(s) owned them legally, it would be the first time since the latest update to the law was passed in the Eighties.
One of the first things up for the police and the FBI is going to be where the(se) weapon(s) came from.
No law will prevent crime. Laws give us a way to punish people who display anti-social behaviour. If the gun(s) was/were smuggled into the country, that is already illegal. If the gun was legally owned by this guy, that would be remarkable in that it would be the first automatic weapon used in a crime legally owned by the person (in which case another review of the laws might be in order).
My money would be on “he didn’t get the gun legally.”
Breakfast consumed.
Cheese omelet, fries, toast & bacon spam (saw it at the store and was curious, not particularly bacony really)
Feeling pleasantly plump
re: #391 Dr. Matt
Canada is the
massmoose shooting capital of the world.
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“Not an avid gun guy at all…where the hell did he get automatic weapons? He has no military background,” gunman’s brother says pic.twitter.com/EMSKLQGYFM
— CBS News (@CBSNews) October 2, 2017
re: #396 Anymouse 🌹
Since the ban on automatic weapons in the Thirties unless you obtained a very difficult licence to get, no legally-obtained automatic weapons have been used in crimes.
Bullshit x2. The NFA Tax Stamp isn’t some impossible hurdle. It only takes time and money to get one. You can step down from your soapbox now once you finishing patting yourself on the back.
re: #396 Anymouse 🌹
And yet, Mediatite is correct. The police have not said whether the gun was legally-owned or not, or even how many guns were involved.
Since the ban on automatic weapons in the Thirties unless you obtained a very difficult licence to get, no legally-obtained automatic weapons have been used in crimes.
If the owner of this (or these) gun(s) owned them legally, it would be the first time since the latest update to the law was passed in the Eighties.
One of the first things up for the police and the FBI is going to be where the(se) weapon(s) came from.
No law will prevent crime. Laws give us a way to punish people who display anti-social behaviour. If the gun(s) was/were smuggled into the country, that is already illegal. If the gun was legally owned by this guy, that would be remarkable in that it would be the first automatic weapon used in a crime legally owned by the person (in which case another review of the laws might be in order).
My money would be on “he didn’t get the gun legally.”
There’s been a general distinction in these cases between “gun was purchased legally” and “gun was obtained legally.” It very well may be that he didn’t buy the guns himself, he took them from a friend and so he did not obtain them legally. But unless his friend likewise owned the guns illegally, then they were legal firearms and thus the question about gun laws remains relevant. Which is why I’m generally a supporter of suggested laws for “gun insurance,” as we remove the “That gun was taken/stolen/etc one day…” excuse for irresponsible actions.
What some call “politicizing a tragedy” is simply proposing sensible policies to prevent future tragedies. The time for that is always now.
— Sarah Kendzior (@sarahkendzior) October 2, 2017
re: #396 Anymouse 🌹
Not that I’m an expert, but I have read that one can get “conversion kits” for (legal) semi-automatic long guns which can covert them to fully-automatic functionality with only minimal gunsmithing skills required.
I’m not sure whether said “kits” are legally obtainable or not - but Anymouse is right, IMO: the late Mr. Paddock was likely to have upgraded his arsenal via some non-legal method or other somewhere along the line.
I’m sure we will eventually find out (but NOT by reading it on the Internet).
re: #400 FormerDirtDart
“Not an avid gun guy at all…where the hell did he get automatic weapons? He has no military background,” gunman’s brother says pic.twitter.com
— CBS News (@CBSNews) October 2, 2017
Not an “avid gun guy” and yet they found 10 rifles/firearms in his hotel. Doesn’t seem he knew his brother too well.
re: #403 Interesting Times
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re: #401 Dr. Matt
Bullshit x2. The NFA Tax Stamp isn’t some impossible hurdle. It only takes time and money to get one. You can step down from your soapbox now once you finishing patting yourself on the back.
The NFA tax stamp is $200, which for 10 guns (if applicable to all) runs around $2000. The guns themselves probably cost more than that.
re: #405 Dr. Matt
Not an “avid gun guy” and yet they found 10 rifles/firearms in his hotel. Doesn’t seem he knew his brother too well.
Yeah.
re: #396 Anymouse 🌹
My money would be on “he didn’t get the gun legally.”
Or he got a legal AR-15 and illegally modified it.
“Ann” is a fictional character from a made-up Twitter account that has been deleted.
Too late Ann. We know what you posted you scumbag! Ann #TheResistance pic.twitter.com/HrxlLoRQG8
— David William Reid (@DreidMusicalX) October 2, 2017
So, checked my Facebook this morning and it turns out a guy I went to HS with was at Mandalay Bay and witnessed what happened. He had been at the WTC on 9/11 and made it out before the towers came down, and he’s since gone on to a lot of charitable work to help victims of the attacks. He wrote that he had flashbacks to 9/11 with the people running all over the place - and that his first thought was that this was some fireworks display until there were people running with blood spattered.
I just can’t.
400+ injured? One guy murdered more than 50 people.
I just can’t.
“Where does one get a fucking machine-gun?” is a question that would stump many a European/Russian/etc.but apparently it’s child’s play in the US despite (or due to) the meager regulations that exist, i.e. not problem even for someone without a “military” background. All attempts to deflect from this issue are red herrings.
re: #401 Dr. Matt
re: #396 Anymouse 🌹
Bullshit x2. The NFA Tax Stamp isn’t some impossible hurdle. It only takes time and money to get one. You can step down from your soapbox now once you finishing patting yourself on the back.
And P.S., it doesn’t take a great deal of knowledge and materials to modify an AR style weapon to fully automatic. So, yes, common sense gun laws ranging from types of rifles to size of magazines could make a difference in they were implemented years ago. But, continue to pretend to fucking lecture to me.
re: #412 Nyet
“Where does one get a fucking machine-gun?” is a question that would stump many a European/Russian/etc.but apparently it’s child’s play in the US despite (or due to) the meager regulations that exist, i.e. not problem even for someone without a “military” background. All attempts to deflect from this issue are red herrings.
Yep.
Trump fans spent all night on 4chan trying to figure out how to blame the Las Vegas shooting on “leftists” or jews. Not kidding.
— Caroline O. (@RVAwonk) October 2, 2017
When the NFA was passed in ‘34, $200 was a serious chunk of change to pay for a machine gun. But time and inflation have reduced what once was a major monetary barrier into a nuisance. Hell, when looking up “NFA tax stamp” on Google, one of the first results was a company pledging to cut every person who bought one of their silencers a $200 check to pay the stamp.
I just remembered my brother’s friends are or will be in Vegas and they had invited my brother to come along but my brother’s busy with school, work, and his family. I’m sure they’re okay but damn.
If I recall, the NFA does not restrict the sale or possession of full auto conversion kits.
You can buy them online. You just can;t “legally” install them until getting paperwork in order.
“I’ll give you my gun when you pry it from 100 cold, dead hands.”
Hillary Clinton calls for new gun laws after the Las Vegas massacre — and whacks the NRA. pic.twitter.com/1qjY0SP0TZ
— Sahil Kapur (@sahilkapur) October 2, 2017
@hillaryclinton correctly calls out the NRA and GOP who want to make it easier to murder people by making silencers easier to get. https://t.co/XA0QqAb9LZ
— lawhawk (@lawhawk) October 2, 2017
Clinton correctly notes that if the shooter had a silencer, it would have made figuring out where the shooter was all the more difficult - how many more people would lose their lives in the time it took to identify where the shooter was firing from?
Is Drumpf bragging about how great “my people” are doing to save P.R. today?
re: #421 lawhawk
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Clinton correctly notes that if the shooter had a silencer, it would have made figuring out where the shooter was all the more difficult - how many more people would lose their lives in the time it took to identify where the shooter was firing from?
And she’s got much more leadership experience on this issue than that guy whom I’m told “woulda won.”
re: #401 Dr. Matt
Bullshit x2. The NFA Tax Stamp isn’t some impossible hurdle. It only takes time and money to get one. You can step down from your soapbox now once you finishing patting yourself on the back.
Wow, I wasn’t aware I was on a soapbox, or patting myself on the back.
No, it’s not an impossible hurdle, though you have to submit both fingerprints and photographs, fill out the paperwork certifying you are a US citizen, get approval from your local police or sheriff on another form, and wait for more than half a year for the ATF to do its criminal background check.
Anti-government gun nuts who hate things like gun registration aren’t going to do all that.
The tax stamp law was not what I wrote about. What I wrote was that no legally owned machine gun has been used in a crime. I also wrote I would be very surprised to find that this guy legally owned the gun.
I also wrote that if he did legally own the gun, then perhaps it is time to revisit the law.
Machine guns are a tiny fraction of the guns in this nation. Can you tell me the last time a machine gun was used in a crime? I’m not an expert on gun crimes but I have to go all the way back to the SLA (and those machine guns were not legally owned).
Two years ago today, this was our front page. Still, nothing’s changed.
SEE MORE: https://t.co/dsoJIeHBvg pic.twitter.com/VHANEiUkIr— New York Daily News (@NYDailyNews) October 2, 2017
Murphy pulls no punches. Go, Chris.
.@ChrisMurphyCT on Las Vegas shooting: “It’s time for Congress to get off its ass and do something.” pic.twitter.com/fU444SoPTs
— Sahil Kapur (@sahilkapur) October 2, 2017
If prying it from your cold dead hands is what it takes, bring on the gun grabber brigade.
re: #427 makeitstop
Murphy pulls no punches. Go, Chris.
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I absolutely love how he’s not afraid at all to call out the gun lobby and his colleagues.
15 minutes late.
Still “Trumping up” the statement is my guess
WATCH LIVE: Trump Expected To Address Las Vegas Shooting At 10:30 AM ET https://t.co/geKSvdtEIm via @TPM
— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) October 2, 2017
re: #427 makeitstop
Murphy has been one of the most vocal in the fight against Trump, the NRA, and the do-nothing GOP (do nothing except try to game the system to benefit the rich and screw everyone else).
re: #430 FormerDirtDart
15 minutes late.
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Miller’s probably trying to figure out how to blame it on ISIS.
re: #430 FormerDirtDart
15 minutes late.
Still “Trumping up” the statement is my guess
Imma wait till all the facts but I understand based on good information that the killer was an illegal immigrant who hated true Americans.
re: #422 Sir John Barron
Obviously a gun-free zone.
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A friend on Facebook asked one of her friends (who was arguing against any new gun laws), ‘How would it feel if one of your kids was among the dead?’ The woman replied, ‘That would not happen, as I am always armed, as are my children.’
I pointed out that in that situation, she and her armed kids would have been sitting ducks just like everybody else at that concert.
These people are so fucking obstinate about common-sense gun laws, they think just carrying a goddamned gun makes them bullet-proof or something.
Out of 22K at that concert, how many of those people were likely carrying? And did it help at all?
re: #427 makeitstop
Thank you Senator Murphy!
Cue the right wing chorus…”politicizing the tragedy”, “it’s too soon”, etc, ad infinitum (oh, wait they’re already on verse 10…)
re: #432 Targetpractice
Miller’s probably trying to figure out how to blame it on ISIS.
WH Chief of Staff John Kelly has been “point of contact” in briefing Pres. Trump on deadly Las Vegas shooting, @margbrennan reports. pic.twitter.com/Q2ROAsPRJu
— CBS News (@CBSNews) October 2, 2017
re: #356 dangerman
Guy was locked in a room 32 floors up. across the road
They’re gonna have a hard time with that argumentStill I wouldn’t be surprised when inevitably some try
A good guy with a rocket-launcher could have stopped this. USA USA USA.
re: #432 Targetpractice
Miller’s probably trying to figure out how to blame it on ISIS.
newsmax beat him to it:
ISIS Claims Responsibility for Las Vegas Massacre:
The Islamic State group has claimed responsibility for the mass shooting in Las Vegas, saying that the perpetrator was “a soldier” who had converted to Islam months ago, without providing any evidence to support the claim.
I kid you not. This is right there on that news site.
re: #434 makeitstop
A friend on Facebook asked one of her friends (who was arguing against any new gun laws), ‘How would it feel if one of your kids was among the dead?’ The woman replied, ‘That would not happen, as I am always armed, as are my children.’
I pointed out that in that situation, she and her armed kids would have been sitting ducks just like everybody else at that concert.
These people are so fucking obstinate about common-sense gun laws, they think just carrying a goddamned gun makes them bullet-proof or something.
Out of 22K at that concert, how many of those people were likely carrying? And did it help at all?
It wouldn’t have helped.
re: #438 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
newsmax beat him to it:
ISIS Claims Responsibility for Las Vegas Massacre:
The Islamic State group has claimed responsibility for the mass shooting in Las Vegas, saying that the perpetrator was “a soldier” who had converted to Islam months ago, without providing any evidence to support the claim.
I kid you not. This is right there on that news site.
ISIS is happy to take responsibility for this and wingnuts are happy to give them the press they so crave.
re: #441 FormerDirtDart
“I am faking empathy as best I can”
“You need to look sorrowful, Donald, not constipated.”
re: #440 HappyWarrior
Me: My heating system doesn’t work fast enough!
ISIS: We are responsible for the infidel “I cannot“‘s chilly feet!
re: #442 Nyet
- I’ll give you my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead hands!
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“Your proposal is acceptable.”
/movie geek moment
re: #445 I cannot.
Me: My heating system doesn’t work fast enough!
ISIS: We are responsible for the infidel “I cannot“‘s chilly feet!
Damn you ISIS!
re: #438 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
newsmax beat him to it:
ISIS Claims Responsibility for Las Vegas Massacre:
The Islamic State group has claimed responsibility for the mass shooting in Las Vegas, saying that the perpetrator was “a soldier” who had converted to Islam months ago, without providing any evidence to support the claim.
I kid you not. This is right there on that news site.
reuters: SENIOR U.S. OFFICIAL DISCOUNTED ISLAMIC STATE’S CLAIM … FOR LAS VEGAS SHOOTING. early days but I’d still b astonished if was IS.
— Jason Burke (@burke_jason) October 2, 2017
Astonished would be a good word. https://t.co/KLBSPma9wx
— Mitchell Prothero (@mitchprothero) October 2, 2017
re: #447 HappyWarrior
ISIS’ aim is to turn the Muslims living in the West and their neighbors against each other in order to radicalize them.
re: #434 makeitstop
A friend on Facebook asked one of her friends (who was arguing against any new gun laws), ‘How would it feel if one of your kids was among the dead?’ The woman replied, ‘That would not happen, as I am always armed, as are my children.’
I pointed out that in that situation, she and her armed kids would have been sitting ducks just like everybody else at that concert.
These people are so fucking obstinate about common-sense gun laws, they think just carrying a goddamned gun makes them bullet-proof or something.
Out of 22K at that concert, how many of those people were likely carrying? And did it help at all?
Guns are not magic talismans. They do not shield you automatically if you shot are at. They do not protect you if the attacker has the initiative and has the drop on you. And they certainly will not defend you if you have a poor sense of tactics and strategy in the heat of the moment.
re: #449 Nyet
ISIS’ aim is to turn the Muslims living in the West and their neighbors against each other in order to radicalize them.
Yep and Western wingnuts are happy to help out in that aim.
re: #385 HappyWarrior
Uh yeah they certailny would have because he wouldn’t have been able to pick them off like sitting ducks with a handgun the way he did.
Happy, just a little correction. It appears he was just spraying the crowd with full auto fire. Picking them off like sitting ducks sounds like he was exact targeting. A full auto rifle allowed him to just go wild. One of the reasons full auto assault rifles are supposed to not be allowed. But then, my understanding a semi-auto can be modified easily to be full auto. That modification should be designed out of the rifles if possible.
re: #344 Sir John Barron
10 guns? Has to be a false flag then. No true gun owner….
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…has less than 50 guns.
The piker.
re: #381 Anymouse 🌹
Perhaps the NRA could be brought back from the wingnuts that took it over. I learned gun safety from the NRA’s own rules, before the NRA went off the rails. Perhaps using their own rules as laws might do something to bring back sanity.
The NRA is a lobbying group that represents gun manufacturers. They exist to sell more guns and ensure that there is never legislation to damper the sale of guns. That is their only purpose. It’s not that wingnuts took it over…it is that their purpose is at odds with safe society because when you support mentally ill people and terrorists being able to get guns at will, there is no use for you except to sell guns.
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