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The perpetrator of last night’s horrific mass shooting at a Las Vegas concert was a white male, not an immigrant or Muslim, so Donald Trump won’t be able to stage his usual fear-mongering clown show today. But he’s almost certain to say something shockingly offensive or tone-deaf because that’s who he is.

One thing you shouldn’t expect: any hint of awareness that America’s sick infatuation with weapons of mass murder played a part.

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633 comments

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:58:54am

We did not learn from Sandy Hook, we will not learn anything from this.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 2, 2017 • 7:59:32am

Fixed…

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electrotek  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:00:02am

Right wingers are trying so desperate for a Muslim connection to deflect from any talk of gun control.

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Scout  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:00:04am

re: #1 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We did not learn from Sandy Hook, we will not learn anything from this.

We did learn something. We learned that Americans, by and large, don’t care.

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makeitstop  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:00:36am

Nope, not watching. I’m sure his tone-deaf comments will be thoroughly hashed out later, and I’ll be able to ingest from a safe distance.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:00:52am

re: #3 electrotek

Right wingers are trying so desperate for a Muslim connection to deflect from any talk of gun control.

antifa antifa antifa RESISTANCE antifa antifa antifa

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Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:01:39am

Seems somebody has a problem using the word “terrorist.” And he avoids visiting PR for 2 weeks, but promises a visit to LV in 48 hours. Probably because he figures he’ll find some white people to wrap his bloated arms around for a photo-op.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:01:50am

re: #5 makeitstop

Nope, not watching. I’m sure his tone-deaf comments will be thoroughly hashed out later, and I’ll be able to ingest from a safe distance.

I bet he can find at least one opportunity to congratulate himself on what a great job he’s doing.

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I cannot.  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:03:10am

re: #8 Sir John Barron

EZ bet. Only question is how many times he manages to congratulate himself.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:04:36am

re: #9 I cannot.

EZ bet. Only question is how many times he manages to congratulate himself.

“This is the BIGGEST mass shooting! People are saying they’ve never seen anything like this!”

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Sir John Barron  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:06:30am

re: #10 Blind Frog Belly White

“This is the BIGGEST mass shooting! People are saying they’ve never seen anything like this!”

“People say I gave the greatest sympathy speech.”

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electrotek  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:06:34am

re: #7 Targetpractice

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Seems somebody has a problem using the word “terrorist.” And he avoids visiting PR for 2 weeks, but promises a visit to LV in 48 hours. Probably because he figures he’ll find some white people to wrap his bloated arms around for a photo-op.

If Norway can call Anders Breivik a terrorist, America has no further excuse to deflect the label on Stephen Paddock.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:07:06am
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gwangung  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:08:11am

Guns are not magic talismans. They do not shield you automatically if you shot are at. They do not protect you if the attacker has the initiative and has the drop on you. And they certainly will not defend you if you have a poor sense of tactics and strategy in the heat of the moment.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:08:55am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:09:14am

re: #14 gwangung

Guns are not magic talismans. They do not shield you automatically if you shot are at. They do not protect you if the attacker has the initiative and has the drop on you. And they certainly will not defend you if you have a poor sense of tactics and strategy in the heat of the moment.

The guy was on the 33rd flood if I read right. Not only would you need to be a good shot to find him, you’d need to be calm. Those poor people armed or not were sitting ducks for Paddock.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:09:19am

re: #12 electrotek

If Norway can call Anders Breivik a terrorist, America has no further excuse to deflect the label on Stephen Paddock.

From a quick scan of the news, I don’t think we can describe Paddock—we don’t know his motivation, and motivation is a critical part of the terrorist definition.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:10:22am

re: #14 gwangung

Guns are not magic talismans. They do not shield you automatically if you shot are at. They do not protect you if the attacker has the initiative and has the drop on you. And they certainly will not defend you if you have a poor sense of tactics and strategy in the heat of the moment.

Probably a lot of people in the crowd were carrying - Nevada, country music concert. How’d that work out for them?

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:10:34am

The Las Vegas shooting was so horrific it completely buried another mass shooting in Lawrence, Kansas yesterday.

kansascity.com

It would appear the gunfire started right next to the police headquarters.

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Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:11:06am

re: #15 FormerDirtDart

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FFS, he’s getting pats on the head for not jumping to conclusions.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:12:00am

re: #20 Targetpractice

FFS, he’s getting pats on the head for not jumping to conclusions.

Baby steps.

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Nyet  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:12:15am

re: #12 electrotek

If Norway can call Anders Breivik a terrorist, America has no further excuse to deflect the label on Stephen Paddock.

You mean his motives are already known and fit the definition of terrorism, rather than a much less specific mass murder?

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Unshaken Defiance  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:13:02am

re: #14 gwangung

re: #16 HappyWarrior

There were a few police officers hit. Off duty, I would think still carrying in a Shall Issue CCW state. You can bet some Nevadans were CCW. Not even SWAT tried anything to get at this guy from other than right outside the Mandalay Bay room hallway. (edited)

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Interesting Times  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:13:06am

re: #20 Targetpractice

FFS, he’s getting pats on the head for not jumping to conclusions.

“He didn’t say something dickheaded that made the situation worse! PREZIDENSHUL!!!111”

We need a “both-sides/low expectations/normalization” font

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makeitstop  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:13:08am

re: #18 Blind Frog Belly White

If this turns out to be some guy who lost a ton of money and decided to off himself after killing a lot of people….

Nah, he planned this.

Who, besides a guy who intended to kill a bunch of people, checks into a hotel room with 10 weapons?

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:13:19am

re: #12 electrotek

If Norway can call Anders Breivik a terrorist, America has no further excuse to deflect the label on Stephen Paddock.

Brevik published a massive political manifesto before he went on his killing spree. He was active in far-right blogs like Stormfront for a long time.

He was named a terrorist because he fit the definition of terrorist (ideological motivation).

Perhaps this guy in Vegas was ideologically motivated as well. We don’t know yet, as the police haven’t said anything about it.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:13:26am

Meanwhile, we had another attempted mass spam attack last night - 20 accounts registered, but nothing got through.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:13:47am

re: #20 Targetpractice

FFS, he’s getting pats on the head for not jumping to conclusions.

Only because teh shooter’s an old white dude.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:14:36am

re: #12 electrotek

If Norway can call Anders Breivik a terrorist, America has no further excuse to deflect the label on Stephen Paddock.

Breivik had an actual political motive for the shooting, so calling him a terrorist is appropriate. We know nothing as yet about Paddock’s motivation. And do we actually know for sure that the weapon was fully automatic?

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danarchy  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:14:40am

re: #12 electrotek

If Norway can call Anders Breivik a terrorist, America has no further excuse to deflect the label on Stephen Paddock.

Breivik had an obvious political motive. He wrote a damn manifesto. So far we haven’t the slightest idea what the motivation was for this.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:14:52am

re: #23 Unshaken Defiance

There were a few police officers hit. Off duty, I would think still carrying in a Shall Issue CCW state. You can bet some Nevadans were CCW. Not even SWAT tried anything to get this guy from other than outside the Mandalay Bay room hallway.

It just sounds like horrible situation. If one wasn’t killed or wounded, they’re definitely going to have some psychological issues stemming from this. Man it just saddens me. Why would anyone do this?

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Nyet  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:15:07am

re: #28 HappyWarrior

Only because teh shooter’s an old white dude.

Suppose he showed some sympathy to left-wing causes once in his life (e.g. donated to a D). You know what happens next.

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electrotek  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:16:11am

re: #30 danarchy

re: #29 Hecuba’s daughter

re: #26 Anymouse 🌹

re: #22 Nyet

Good points.

Sorry guys, I jumped the gun on this one.

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lawhawk  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:16:17am

re: #16 HappyWarrior

We can say that if there were people with concealed carry at the concert, their presence could delay the EMT response because they’d have to be cleared safe before EMT could respond.

Every time there’s a mass shooting, there’s a hue and cry that if only there were good guys with a gun that it would prevent the bad guy or limit the bad guy’s actions.

There’s no amount of good guys with a gun at the concert that would have prevented this. But the presence of people with concealed firearms would delay the emergency response as law enforcement has to clear and process the scene to make sure all those “good guys with guns” were actually good guys - and not there to do more harm.

That takes time, and every moment counts when you’re trying to save a life. How many more would die as a result?

The GOP/NRA will do all it can to prevent further tightening of the gun laws in the country - and everyone will shrug that there’s nothing to be done. These are the wages of the 2A.

It doesn’t have to be.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

“A well regulated militia…” Nothing about what we have today even approaches well regulated. The entire concept of a militia has been dropped, and it’s all about the right of people - the word “the” has likewise been dropped, so instead of the collective people, it’s treated as an individual right. When you look holistically at the 2a, I’d argue it was a group right to own firearms.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:16:20am

re: #32 Nyet

Suppose he showed some sympathy to left-wing causes once in his life (e.g. donated to a D). You know what happens next.

Of course. Agh. I am just sickened by the whole thing Sergey. Just makes me so sick and sad for my country and our collective humanity.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:16:36am

re: #29 Hecuba’s daughter

Breivik had an actual political motive for the shooting, so calling him a terrorist is appropriate. We know nothing as yet about Paddock’s motivation. And do we actually know for sure that the weapon was fully automatic?

Agree on labelling him. The audio makes it very close to certain that the weapon was full automatic.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:16:58am
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I cannot.  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:17:03am

re: #16 HappyWarrior

33rd floor UP and across the street. The strip is what, 8 lanes and big sidewalks, so that’s a pretty long distance up.

Wouldn’t you need a rifle to have a reasonable chance of returning fire?

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Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:17:08am

I get that people are trying to be responsible here, but the word “terrorist” has become so disconnected from its original definition through overuse and improper usage that to insist on motivation being established first before the word now actually sounds ridiculous.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:17:11am

re: #34 lawhawk

We can say that if there were people with concealed carry at the concert, their presence could delay the EMT response because they’d have to be cleared safe before EMT could respond.

Every time there’s a mass shooting, there’s a hue and cry that if only there were good guys with a gun that it would prevent the bad guy or limit the bad guy’s actions.

There’s no amount of good guys with a gun at the concert that would have prevented this. But the presence of people with concealed firearms would delay the emergency response as law enforcement has to clear and process the scene to make sure all those “good guys with guns” were actually good guys - and not there to do more harm.

That takes time, and every moment counts when you’re trying to save a life. How many more would die as a result?

The GOP/NRA will do all it can to prevent further tightening of the gun laws in the country - and everyone will shrug that there’s nothing to be done. These are the wages of the 2A.

It doesn’t have to be.

“A well regulated militia…” Nothing about what we have today even approaches well regulated. The entire concept of a militia has been dropped, and it’s all about the right of people - the word “the” has likewise been dropped, so instead of the collective people, it’s treated as an individual right. When you look holistically at the 2a, I’d argue it was a group right to own firearms.

Yeah it would have made an already chaotic situation even worse.

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electrotek  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:17:20am

re: #35 HappyWarrior

Of course. Agh. I am just sickened by the whole thing Sergey. Just makes me so sick and sad for my country and our collective humanity.

Either way, we have to call a spade a spade if that comes out of it.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:18:12am

re: #38 I cannot.

33rd floor UP and across the street. The strip is what, 8 lanes and big sidewalks, so that’s a pretty long distance up.

Wouldn’t you need a rifle to have a reasonable chance of returning fire?

Not just a rifle but probably something with a scope or at the very least excellent shooting skills. I can see that being something that would be challenging in a video game, IRL even more so for obvious reasons.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:18:13am

re: #39 Targetpractice

I get that people are trying to be responsible here, but the word “terrorist” has become so disconnected from its original definition through overuse and improper usage that to insist on motivation being established first before the word now actually sounds ridiculous.

Words have meaning until they don’t, and then they’re useless.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:18:14am

re: #29 Hecuba’s daughter

Breivik had an actual political motive for the shooting, so calling him a terrorist is appropriate. We know nothing as yet about Paddock’s motivation. And do we actually know for sure that the weapon was fully automatic?

The audio sure sounds like a fully-automatic weapon. Though the audio from various captures on Twitter are in an urban area with lots of other noise making it a bit difficult, it sounds like an AK-47 to me. (It has been a long time since I heard an AK-47 so I compared the sound of the audio to the recordings of several different types of machine guns on YouTube.)

I don’t recall reading anything from the police saying what sort of weapons he had though.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:18:28am

re: #41 electrotek

Either way, we have to call a spade a spade if that comes out of it.

Of course.

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Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:18:33am

re: #37 Charles Johnson

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It was the sort of statement that would have inspired all sorts of angry responses from the usual suspects if issued by Obama or Hillary.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:19:08am

re: #38 I cannot.

33rd floor UP and across the street. The strip is what, 8 lanes and big sidewalks, so that’s a pretty long distance up.

Wouldn’t you need a rifle to have a reasonable chance of returning fire?

A scoped rifle and something to shoot at. Assuming the shooter was reasonably intelligent, the lights in the room would have been off, so no silhouette. Muzzleflash? Sure. Shoot at muzzleflash. Anyone see any muzzleflash in the videos?

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Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:19:09am

re: #43 Decatur Deb

Words have meaning until they don’t, and then they’re useless.

No offense, but we passed that line on the word “terrorist” so long ago, most of us forgot what it originally looked like.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:19:17am

re: #46 Targetpractice

It was the sort of statement that would have inspired all sorts of angry responses from the usual suspects if issued by Obama or Hillary.

Let’s be hoenst though. Merely responding would get that. We saw how they mocked Obama when he was in tears over Sandy Hook.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:19:18am

re: #41 electrotek

Either way, we have to call a spade a spade if that comes out of it.

Once we know what we’re talking about.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:21:13am

re: #48 Targetpractice

No offense, but we passed that line on the word “terrorist” so long ago, most of us forgot what it originally looked like.

Terrorism does have a legal definition outside the colloquial one.

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Nyet  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:21:40am

re: #43 Decatur Deb

Sorta like when people insist on calling every state-led massacre in history a “genocide” (even if the UN definition is very specific and excludes numerous instances of state mass killings, if e.g. specific intent cannot be established or the targeted group is social/economic rather than ethnic, religious or national).

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Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:22:54am

re: #51 Anymouse 🌹

Terrorism does have a legal definition outside the colloquial one.

Unfortunately, that legal definition isn’t recognized in the court of public opinion. Else I wouldn’t have had so many wingnuts insisting to me that Dylann Roof was anything but a terrorist.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:24:40am

re: #52 Nyet

Sorta like when people insist on calling every state-led massacre in history a “genocide” (even if the UN definition is very specific and excludes numerous instances of state mass killings, if e.g. specific intent cannot be established or the targeted group is social/economic rather than ethnic, religious or national).

A useful definition of genocide can even be applied when no one is killed. The key is the intended destruction of a “gens”, perhaps by forced education.

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Nyet  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:27:11am

re: #53 Targetpractice

Neither are the proper definitions of “evolution” and “theory”. ;)

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Charles Johnson  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:27:53am
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Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:28:15am

As one wingnut insisted to me back after San Bernardino (paraphrased): “The fact that the shooter was a Muslim means he had a religious motivation, hence he must be considered a terrorist.”

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Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:28:42am

re: #55 Nyet

Neither are the proper definitions of “evolution” and “theory”. ;)

Or “law” or “hypothesis.” The latter these days has mutated into “wild-assed guess.”

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I cannot.  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:28:50am

re: #47 Blind Frog Belly White

And I know from experience with non-bullet stuff that trying to track sound can be deceptive, so you’d need a scoped rifle already set and pointed in the general direction before you’d even have a chance to find the muzzleflash…

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lawhawk  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:29:06am
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Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:30:13am

re: #60 lawhawk

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It’s always “too soon” until it’s “old news.”

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:30:35am

Liars busy lying …

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Nyet  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:30:39am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:31:02am

re: #60 lawhawk

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:31:10am

re: #53 Targetpractice

Unfortunately, that legal definition isn’t recognized in the court of public opinion. Else I wouldn’t have had so many wingnuts insisting to me that Dylann Roof was anything but a terrorist.

Remember the blowup with Juggalos and the definition of a “street gang”?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:33:06am

re: #60 lawhawk

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It’s always “too soon”, when we average a mass shooting daily, it’s never too soon. Shut it Howie.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:33:11am

re: #62 Anymouse 🌹

Liars busy lying …

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Sir John Barron  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:33:34am

re: #62 Anymouse 🌹

Liars busy lying …

Because NRA=All Conservatives. Great one, Jack.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:34:12am

re: #62 Anymouse 🌹

Liars busy lying …

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She didn’t blame conservatives. Certainly did point out that CONSERVATIVE policy made it easier for this guy to get his stockpile which is true. Tough shit Jackoff.

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I cannot.  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:34:29am
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Sir John Barron  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:34:30am

re: #62 Anymouse 🌹

The gunman TARGETED a #conservative crowd—probably a #HillaryClinton / #BernieSanders supporter

“probably”=Confirmed. FACT.

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Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:34:37am

re: #62 Anymouse 🌹

Liars busy lying …

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These fuckers can never keep their conspiracy theories straight. Now they’re arguing that the shooter must be far-left because it was a country concert, but soon they’ll be arguing that he was attracted to the concert because it was a “Gun Free Zone.”

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lawhawk  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:35:05am

Trump and the GOP made it easier for people with mental illness to get guns. That was among the first things Trump/GOP did after taking office.

Priorities. Make it even easier for mentally ill people to get guns that they can use to kill themselves or others. Super.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:35:06am

re: #68 Sir John Barron

Because NRA=All Conservatives. Great one, Jack.

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Or Country music = Conservatives.

/Emmylou Harris album off

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:36:05am

re: #72 Targetpractice

These fuckers can never keep their conspiracy theories straight. Now they’re arguing that the shooter must be far-left because it was a country concert, but soon they’ll be arguing that he was attracted to the concert because it was a “Gun Free Zone.”

Did they even consider the fact that it was a big gathering? Oh and btw I’m as lefty as it gets and I like country. Wingnuts are so fucking stupid.

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Interesting Times  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:36:36am

re: #57 Targetpractice

As one wingnut insisted to me back after San Bernardino (paraphrased): “The fact that the shooter was a Muslim means he had a religious motivation, hence he must be considered a terrorist.”

If the terrorist attack that happened in Edmonton (weapons were knife plus car, 5 injuries, no deaths, culprit a Somali refugee) had taken place in the US instead, the resulting shitstorm would blow a hole in the space-time continuum. But if this attack (weapon a gun, death toll at least 50, hundreds of injuries, culprit a white guy) turns out to be yet another blaze-of-glory psycho with no discernible connection to ISIS…GOPers and their media enablers will be all, meh, whatever, and move on to some other shiny object.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:36:58am

re: #75 HappyWarrior

Did they even consider the fact that it was a big gathering? Oh and btw I’m as lefty as it gets and I like country. Wingnuts are so fucking stupid able to twist, invent, or re-assemble facts to fit their narrative.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:37:37am

re: #77 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That too.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:37:56am

So was the concert in the hotel or was the hotel just overlooking the concert?

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Lupin  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:38:31am

Trump was nauseating. Reminded me of Dr Doom pretending to be a kindly monarch to impress the Silver Surfer in an old FF issue.

Paddock was obviously triggered by white country music. (hidden messages?) The answer is obvious: ban white country music. File under “silver lining”. /

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Nyet  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:38:36am

Report last tweet in thread plz.

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danarchy  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:38:38am

re: #79 Sir John Barron

So was the concert in the hotel or was the hotel just overlooking the concert?

Overlooking

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:39:06am

re: #79 Sir John Barron

So was the concert in the hotel or was the hotel just overlooking the concert?

The concert was outside across the street from the hotel.

With fencing and such around the concert venue for crowd control, that made the area a killing field for someone with a machine gun.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:39:28am

re: #74 Anymouse 🌹

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Sir John Barron  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:40:29am

re: #81 Nyet

So ISIS always honestly admits when they’re responsible but they never give proof?

Gosh the wingnuts are in rare form today.

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Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:40:41am

re: #81 Nyet

Report plz.

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He misspelled “MicroPenisTime.” Simple mistake to make, considering the IQ he seems to be working with.

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Nyet  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:40:49am

re: #81 Nyet

PS: twitter giving 280 to all the right people. Good job, twitter!

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I cannot.  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:40:59am

re: #75 HappyWarrior

Hell, country can have a straight-up socialist message. Do any of those fuckers know who Johnny Cash is?

You know, the Man in Black? Here’s a reminder…

Johnny Cash sings “Man In Black” for the first time (with intro)

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:41:04am

re: #81 Nyet

Report last tweet in thread plz.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:41:14am

re: #85 Sir John Barron

So ISIS always honestly admits when they’re responsible but they never give proof?

Gosh the wingnuts are in rare form today.

We have a narrative to maintain in light of a rather tragic event…

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Sir John Barron  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:41:40am

re: #84 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Sheriff knows he has to say something glowing about POTUS or face the MAGA mob.

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CongoJack  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:42:40am

re: #81 Nyet

Report last tweet in thread plz.

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Huh - his twitter handle is MicroPrimeTime - at least he is honest as I assume he is talking about this genitalia.

Sorry - trying to find a place to laugh in the day of tragedy.

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Lupin  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:42:40am

Neither the 2nd nor the 1st Amendment (or their current interpretations thereof) are working very well today.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:42:53am

re: #79 Sir John Barron

So was the concert in the hotel or was the hotel just overlooking the concert?

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CongoJack  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:42:59am

re: #86 Targetpractice

damn it - beat me too it.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:43:15am

58 dead

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:43:23am

re: #88 I cannot.

Hell, country can have a straight-up socialist message. Do any of those fuckers know who Johnny Cash is?

You know, the Man in Black? Here’s a reminder…

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Yeah not every country musician is right wing or conservative. Ditto country fans.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:43:41am

re: #96 Stanley Sea

58 dead

Jeez.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:43:44am

re: #94 Blind Frog Belly White

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It’s really a long way.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:44:28am

re: #94 Blind Frog Belly White

Looks like quite a distance, at least further away then I first thought.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:44:50am

re: #97 HappyWarrior

Yeah not every country musician is right wing or conservative. Ditto country fans.

I thought all the liberal ones got purged along with the Dixie Chicks in 2003…

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:45:24am

re: #92 CongoJack

Huh - his twitter handle is MicroPrimeTime - at least he is honest as I assume he is talking about this genitalia.

Sorry - trying to find a place to laugh in the day of tragedy.

That’s how I read it too. He thinks he’s a leader of something called the “New Right”.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:45:28am

re: #101 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I thought all the liberal ones got purged along with the Dixie Chicks in 2003…

Nah.

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PeterWolf  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:45:41am

re: #72 Targetpractice

Oh, the GatewayPundit has already run an article on how the concert was a gun free zone, hence no one in the crowd shooting back. Sick.

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Nyet  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:46:07am
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Interesting Times  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:46:10am

re: #81 Nyet

Report last tweet in thread plz.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:46:31am

re: #104 PeterWolf

Oh, the GatewayPundit has already run an article on how the concert was a gun free zone, hence no one in the crowd shooting back. Sick.

Yeah the gun carriers in the crowd could have started shooting at…who/what?

//

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Nyet  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:46:32am

re: #104 PeterWolf

Oh, the GatewayPundit has already run an article on how the concert was a gun free zone, hence no one in the crowd shooting back. Sick.

Dim Hoft is a little Streicher.

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Bass Reeves  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:47:04am

re: #94 Blind Frog Belly White

No way that anybody is returning fire with a handgun. Probably have better luck with a bow.

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danarchy  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:47:49am

re: #104 PeterWolf

Oh, the GatewayPundit has already run an article on how the concert was a gun free zone, hence no one in the crowd shooting back. Sick.

That would have been great. People firing handguns at building a football field away, probably full of other guests…yeah, that would help.

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lawhawk  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:48:50am
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Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:49:25am

“COVER-UP!!!”

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Nyet  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:49:28am

Going out on a limb here, but if there were evidence of his left-wing sympathies, this wingnut Trump-loving sheriff would have probably leaked it already.

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PeterWolf  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:50:17am

And of course, the concert might well have been a gun free zone, but does any sane person expect there would have been no armed police in attendance for such an event. Dim Jim made me puke with his bullshit.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:51:01am

re: #112 Targetpractice

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“COVER-UP!!!”

Denial is the first sign!!!///

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Lupin  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:51:23am

Amazingly the French RW news site are already filled with garbage news re paddock being a lefty/muslim convert; when you track down the sources, they’re all seem to be from US neo-nazis. And in the meanwhile it’s stoking hatred here. I don’t what one can realistically do, but honestly your country should be quarantined.

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Belafon  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:51:34am

What’s the drop on a bullet from a handgun 300+ feet away due to gravity and air resistance?

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Nyet  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:52:02am

re: #116 Lupin

Amazingly the French RW news site are already filled with garbage news re paddock being a lefty/muslim convert; when you track down the sources, they’re all seem to be from US neo-nazis. And in the meanwhile it’s stoking hatred here. I don’t what one can realistically do, but honestly your country should be quarantined.

Probably not without the help of the Russian botnets.

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lawhawk  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:52:03am

Kurtz is absolutely getting lit up for his nonsense about the timing of Democrats demanding action on gun violence.

Good. Same for all the other pundits and politicians who are demanding we wait for some unspecified period before acting (which means never).

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Belafon  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:52:21am

re: #116 Lupin

Amazingly the French RW news site are already filled with garbage news re paddock being a lefty/muslim convert; when you track down the sources, they’re all seem to be from US neo-nazis. And in the meanwhile it’s stoking hatred here. I don’t what one can realistically do, but honestly your country should be quarantined.

Well, I hate white guys as well, and I’m one of them.

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makeitstop  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:53:16am

re: #117 Belafon

What’s the drop on a bullet from a handgun 300+ feet away due to gravity and air resistance?

Yeah, they’d have been sailing into windows on the lower floors at best, or landing in the lobby or street otherwise.

Jesus, Hoft really is that stupid.

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RinaX  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:53:44am

re: #116 Lupin

Amazingly the French RW news site are already filled with garbage news re paddock being a lefty/muslim convert; when you track down the sources, they’re all seem to be from US neo-nazis. And in the meanwhile it’s stoking hatred here. I don’t what one can realistically do, but honestly your country should be quarantined.

Hey! That’s….not a bad suggestion.

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KGxvi  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:54:00am

re: #99 Stanley Sea

It’s really a long way.

I know Vegas pretty well, that’s probably about three hundred yards the way the crow flies.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:54:56am

re: #117 Belafon

What’s the drop on a bullet from a handgun 300+ feet away due to gravity and air resistance?

About a foot.

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lawhawk  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:55:00am

re: #117 Belafon

The guy could have simply aimed for the far end of the crowd and just sprayed the entire magazine knowing he’d hit people. He wasn’t trying for head shots. He was going for the maximum amount of carnage and casualties. It was all about killing as many as possible. When you have that many people in that kind of confined space, you’re hitting people.

This wasn’t like a scene out of Smoking Aces where a trained gunman with a long rifle was taking out people with precision. The shooter was dumping as many bullets into the vicinity of intended victims knowing he’d kill and injure many of them.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:55:10am

re: #112 Targetpractice

“COVER-UP!!!”

Deep State cover-up.

/

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wheat-dogg  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:55:57am

re: #117 Belafon

What’s the drop on a bullet from a handgun 300+ feet away due to gravity and air resistance?

As a non-expert, I can still confidently say a handgun user would have no chance of hitting the assailant in his hotel room from that far away. In fact, the handgun rounds would probably hit other people in their hotel rooms, assuming the rounds could penetrate the glass.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:56:01am

re: #110 danarchy

That would have been great. People firing handguns at building a football field away, probably full of other guests…yeah, that would help.

Then the people in the hotel could shoot back since they would be carrying, too.

What could go wrong?

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Decatur Deb  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:56:05am

re: #116 Lupin

Amazingly the French RW news site are already filled with garbage news re paddock being a lefty/muslim convert; when you track down the sources, they’re all seem to be from US neo-nazis. And in the meanwhile it’s stoking hatred here. I don’t what one can realistically do, but honestly your country should be quarantined.

The world is a madhouse, and the US is the Violent Ward.

(That’s a rip from an old mystery novel, but it sounds Franco-existentialist enough.)

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Mike Lamb  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:57:12am

So these assholes think that say, 1,000 people with guns, should have just started firing at windows at the Mandalay Bay? I mean, let’s say it was only 100. Let’s say they each pop off 9 rounds. That’s 900 rounds fired into a massive hotel. How many more injuries and deaths would have occurred?

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Nyet  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:58:16am

re: #130 Mike Lamb

So these assholes think that say, 1,000 people with guns, should have just started firing at windows at the Mandalay Bay? I mean, let’s say it was only 100. Let’s say they each pop off 9 rounds. That’s 900 rounds fired into a massive hotel. How many more injuries and deaths would have occurred?

Remember the idiotic cartoon where everyone in a plane points a gun at the terrierists? That would have gone well…

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Belafon  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:58:54am

re: #125 lawhawk

Thanks. I was thinking about a bunch of people in the crowd trying to fire back. If KGxvi is correct, and it’s around 900 feet, handgun bullets would have ended up all over the place. I’m not sure what the range of a handgun is, but we’re starting to get to a point where the bullet may not have the arc to be 300+ feet off the ground (33rd floor) from that far away.

Edit, as you said, though, he had all the advantages: High powered weapon, not shooting for a specific person, height, lots of ammo.

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RinaX  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:58:58am

re: #130 Mike Lamb

So these assholes think that say, 1,000 people with guns, should have just started firing at windows at the Mandalay Bay? I mean, let’s say it was only 100. Let’s say they each pop off 9 rounds. That’s 900 rounds fired into a massive hotel. How many more injuries and deaths would have occurred?

Wouldn’t matter. They would have all been noble sacrifices in the name of FREEDUMB!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 2, 2017 • 8:59:38am

re: #124 Blind Frog Belly White

About a foot.

Bigger question is what’s the accuracy of the average handgun, in the hands of the average shooter, while under fire.

That’s a 3-part question. The handgun itself has a short barrel, so very little time to impart accuracy.

The average shooter who doesn’t live at the range will spray bullets - I know, I’ve shot a bit at a range and even calm, with a two-hand grip, leaning into the bench, and cocking a double-action revolver, I still sprayed at 7 yards.

Add in someone shooting at you, in the dark, from who knows where? You’d be lucky to hit the Mandalay Bay BUILDING.

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Lupin  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:01:13am

My mood right now:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:02:24am

re: #103 HappyWarrior

I thought all the liberal ones got purged along with the Dixie Chicks in 2003…

Nah.

Just joking, but commercial Country certainly supports “traditional American values” like fishing, unskilled labor, family, guns, drinking, marital infidelity, etc.

And broadcasters are not about to tick off their constituency by airing music that expresses any views that could be seen by them as critical of Our Great Christian Nation.

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Nyet  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:02:25am

re: #135 Lupin

“Sorry, wrong flat”. //

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:02:33am
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Dr. Matt  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:03:07am

Is Donald J. Trump calling for a total and complete shutdown of angry white guys entering the United States until our country’s representatives can figure out what the hell is going on. He should….we have no choice…

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Nyet  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:04:32am

re: #101 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I thought all the liberal ones got purged along with the Dixie Chicks in 2003…

That brought back memories. Did a search here at LGF for Dixie Chicks. Ouch.

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Belafon  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:06:14am

re: #140 Dr. Matt

The gun people need to answer how any person should be allowed to have the firepower to be able to injure or kill 600 people by himself.

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Nyet  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:07:22am

re: #142 Belafon

The gun people need to answer how any person should be allowed to have the firepower to be able to injure or kill 600 people by himself.

“But what if there is a zombie invasion?”

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dangerman  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:07:23am

re: #7 Targetpractice

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Seems somebody has a problem using the word “terrorist.” And he avoids visiting PR for 2 weeks, but promises a visit to LV in 48 hours. Probably because he figures he’ll find some white people to wrap his bloated arms around for a photo-op.

puerto rico is closer to dc by air than vegas
but you know, logistics….

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KGxvi  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:07:43am

re: #139 Dr. Matt

Is Donald J. Trump calling for a total and complete shutdown of angry white guys entering the United States until our country’s representatives can figure out what the hell is going on. He should….we have no choice…

Did the shooter go to church? Why didn’t anyone in his community report him to authorities? How did nobody notice before this happened? Why isn’t anyone in the white community condemning this violence? Do they all support him?

// (obviously)

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Dr. Matt  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:08:12am

re: #142 Belafon

The gun people need to answer how any person should be allowed to have the firepower to be able to injure or kill 600 people by himself.

TEH CONSTTITUION LIBOTARD! CHEK MATE!

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Mike Lamb  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:08:34am

re: #142 Belafon

The gun people need to answer how any person should be allowed to have the firepower to be able to injure or kill 600 people by himself.

Because shut up.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:08:35am

jeebus

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Belafon  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:08:54am

re: #144 dangerman

puerto rico is closer to dc by air than vegas
but you know, logistics….

“I don’t want to touch any brown people.” - Trump

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Nyet  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:09:00am

re: #145 KGxvi

Did the shooter go to church? Why didn’t anyone in his community report him to authorities? How did nobody notice before this happened? Why isn’t anyone in the white community condemning this violence? Do they all support him?

// (obviously)

Sudden Crusader Syndrome.

/for those who understand

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:09:55am
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Dr. Matt  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:10:17am

re: #142 Belafon

The gun people need to answer how any person should be allowed to have the firepower to be able to injure or kill 600 people by himself.

Oh….also…Mediate already declared that no gun restriction laws would have prevented this. So, please stop talking. Move along. Nothing to discuss.

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KGxvi  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:10:33am

re: #148 Backwoods_Sleuth

I heard his speech this morning, I can only assume it was written by the C+ Santa Monica Fascist Stephen Miller, because it was just five minutes of “thoughts and prayers” in different ways.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:11:14am
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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:11:15am

re: #113 Nyet

Going out on a limb here, but if there were evidence of his left-wing sympathies, this wingnut Trump-loving sheriff would have probably leaked it already.

I don’t know he’s necessarily a wingnut Trump-loving sheriff.

He is a Republican, and they have a lot of wingnuts, but that doesn’t necessarily make him one.

For another, he already has the example of Puerto Rico, the US Virgin Islands, and other incidents that show what it takes to get Donald Trump’s attention.

Trump calling him is the bare minimum the President could do. I suspect any president would make a brief call to give his (dammit should be her now) condolences and offer the resources of the Federal government.

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KGxvi  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:11:54am

re: #144 dangerman

puerto rico is closer to dc by air than vegas
but you know, logistics….

Isn’t he supposed to be in Puerto Rico tomorrow?

Not to be too snarky, but having him on the plane for two days might give us two or three days of less crazy… maybe?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:12:48am

my shocked face…

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freetoken  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:15:33am

re: #157 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s such a false assertion.

Of course you can “regulate evil”. That’s exactly what some laws are intended to do.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:15:44am

re: #157 Backwoods_Sleuth

my shocked face…

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“Can’t regulate evil”?

Well, so much for Law and Religion.

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dangerman  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:15:45am

re: #61 Targetpractice

It’s always “too soon” until it’s “old news.”

approximately 270 mass shootings in the united states this year

today is day 275

since it’s almost a daily occurrence, it’s always “too soon”

ergo it can never be talked about

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Bass Reeves  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:15:53am

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Archangelus  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:16:01am

Que the age-old “too soon to talk about gun control” BS…

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Belafon  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:18:47am

re: #162 Archangelus

Well, Howard, I’d better hear of you going all in on gun control conversations after 11pm tonight.

I will not be waiting for him.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:18:57am

re: #148 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus

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Village flag duties … back in a bit

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Mike Lamb  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:19:14am

re: #152 Dr. Matt

Oh….also…Mediate already declared that no gun restriction laws would have prevented this. So, please stop talking. Move along. Nothing to discuss.

Well, of course gun control laws passed on Wednesday wouldn’t prevent an incident on Thursday. But it would be a long game—like vehicle safety requirements and traffic control regulations.

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Mike Lamb  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:19:48am

re: #157 Backwoods_Sleuth

my shocked face…

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But you can limit its efficiency.

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Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:20:29am

The “serious” crowd rushing to burnish their “Both Sides” credentials by insisting that Democrats are wrong for bringing up gun control “too soon,” totally silent about the total silence from Republicans.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:23:16am

re: #159 Decatur Deb

“Can’t regulate evil”?

Well, so much for Law and Religion.

Stole that.

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dangerman  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:24:07am

re: #142 Belafon

The gun people need to answer how any person should be allowed to have the firepower to be able to injure or kill 600 people by himself.

…in 5 minutes

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Dr. Matt  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:25:04am

re: #165 Mike Lamb

Well, of course gun control laws passed on Wednesday wouldn’t prevent an incident on Thursday. But it would be a long game—like vehicle safety requirements and traffic control regulations.

This.

As common sense as 2+2. But, we already know the right (and far left) have difficulty with such nuances

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Interesting Times  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:25:17am

re: #167 Targetpractice

Facebook Post

If I could only choose one item from that list, it would be the “regulate ammo” part - at least it would limit the number of victims who could be killed in one go.

Come to think of it, didn’t comedian Chris Rock suggest something similar, i.e. don’t regulate guns, just tax ammo?

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Unshaken Defiance  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:28:01am

re: #160 dangerman
Look at this chart…

cbsnews.com

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:28:43am

humans

that’s all i’m going to say about it

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:29:49am

re: #171 Interesting Times

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If I could only choose one item from that list, it would be the “regulate ammo” part - at least it would limit the number of victims who could be killed in one go.

Come to think of it, didn’t comedian Chris Rock suggest something similar, i.e. don’t regulate guns, just tax ammo?

Yes, he did.
Allowing gun manufacturers to be sued, in cases where the gun worked as intended, seems a stretch. America would have to acknowledge that guns are made to kill, and are different than say a baseball bat, so sales should be heavily restricted, despite the 2nd amendment giving the guns special protection.

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Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:29:58am

re: #171 Interesting Times

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If I could only choose one item from that list, it would be the “regulate ammo” part - at least it would limit the number of victims who could be killed in one go.

Come to think of it, didn’t comedian Chris Rock suggest something similar, i.e. don’t regulate guns, just tax ammo?

I’m a big supporter of #3, of ending the whole “that gun was stolen/lost/sold/etc…” loophole that allows owners to avoid liability for crimes committed with firearms that are listed as their legal property. If somebody “stole” my car and killed ten people with it, the fact that I hadn’t filed a police report would not be glossed over.

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Mike Lamb  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:30:11am

re: #170 Dr. Matt

This.

As common sense as 2+2. But, we already know the right (and far left) have difficulty with such nuances

The problem, of course, is that the NRA has so thoroughly poisoned the discourse on gun regulation that asserting if gun regulations are immediately 100% effective, we shouldn’t do anything at all is a perfectly cromulent argument.

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dangerman  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:30:41am

re: #172 Unshaken Defiance

Look at this chart…

cbsnews.com

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its chilling

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:30:49am

re: #173 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

humans

that’s all i’m going to say about it

Humans in countries like Afghanistan and the United States. This shit is much rarer in civilized countries.

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Belafon  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:32:26am

re: #172 Unshaken Defiance

Look at this chart…

cbsnews.com

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Sorry, white people, you can’t have the country (yes, I know not all of them were whites.)

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:33:46am

Kinda makes you wonder why Russia even bothers to hack….

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:35:39am

re: #173 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

humans

that’s all i’m going to say about it

I sat down and watched 2001 a Space Odyssey, humankind was born when they discovered they could kill each other with a femur.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:37:49am

Ammo would be impossible to regulate. 10 wingnuts in a garage could build a sizeable collection for an invasion force in a weekend.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:39:03am

Gun stocks are up today. Cash in capitalists, while the iron is hot.

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dangerman  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:39:38am

re: #172 Unshaken Defiance

Look at this chart…

cbsnews.com

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i have written about gun accountability (not gun control) for quite some time.

i always thought measures that make people responsible in buying, storing, selling would over time make them more careful. responsible folks would drive the irresponsible out of gun owning existence.

the trend of this chart makes me wonder if anything short of severe physical restriction - ie taking them, limiting who can legally have one would ever turn the tide

the irresponsible are such a small percentage. predicting or stopping this kind of thing is extremely difficult as long as the 2a is an enshrined obstacle.

there seems no way to cut down on these occurrences while also leaving responsible owners unaffected

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Interesting Times  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:40:30am

re: #183 Amory Blaine

Gun stocks are up today. Cash in capitalists while the iron is hot.

Oh hey, since the alt-right/GOP base is spewing all kinds of conspiracy theories, why not start one of our own and say the shooting was orchestrated by gun manufacturers for this very purpose? /

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Belafon  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:41:19am

re: #184 dangerman

there seems no way to cut down on these occurrences while also leaving responsible owners unaffected

Most responsible owners accept some restrictions. The problem is that they keep voting Republican anyway.

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Interesting Times  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:43:46am

re: #171 Interesting Times

Holy fuck indeed - what a follow-up:

Facebook Post

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:45:34am

re: #141 Nyet

That brought back memories. Did a search here at LGF for Dixie Chicks. Ouch.

I can’t get the search function to work correctly for me, probably because I don’t understand how to use it correctly.

Juanita Jean quotes the Bible this morning, referencing all the “thoughts and prayers”:

When you spread out your hands in prayer,
I hide my eyes from you;
even when you offer many prayers,
I am not listening.
Your hands are full of blood!
Isaiah 1:15

juanitajean.com

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ObserverArt  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:46:51am

re: #37 Charles Johnson

Charles Johnson ✔@Green_Footballs
CNN commentators are falling all over themselves rushing to praise Trump for that weak pseudo-pious canned statement. It’s grotesque.
11:16 AM - Oct 2, 2017
23 23 Replies 61 61 Retweets 180 180 likes

That statement had all the warmth of a bowl of ice a minute out of the freezer,

I’m so sick of thoughts and prayers.

Saying that is like saying have a good day to someone you’ll never see again in your life. It is a going-through-the-motions fluff statement that means exactly nothing in the real world.

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MsJ  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:47:09am

re: #152 Dr. Matt

Oh….also…Mediate already declared that no gun restriction laws would have prevented this. So, please stop talking. Move along. Nothing to discuss.

The NRA’s own freaking website says that machine guns are legal in NV. Yet you have morons posting links to pages they didn’t bother to read saying people who do read are morons for reading - or something.

nraila.org

Laws on Purchase, Possession and Carrying of Firearms

Purchase
No state permit is required to purchase a rifle, shotgun or handgun.

Possession
No state permit is required to possess a rifle, shotgun or handgun.

Carrying
It is unlawful to carry concealed upon the person a handgun or other firearm without a permit to carry. State law does not prohibit the open carrying of a firearm, but one should exercise caution when carrying a firearm in public.

Antiques and Replicas
Nevada statutes are silent on antique and replica firearms. They are treated as ordinary firearms for possession and carrying purposes.

Machine Guns
It is lawful to possess, purchase or sell a machine gun or silencer that is legally registered and possessed in compliance with all federal laws and regulations.

Preemption
The Legislature reserves for itself such rights and powers as are necessary to regulate the transfer, sale, purchase, possession, ownership, transportation, registration and licensing of firearms and ammunition.

Range Protection
A shooting range does not constitute a nuisance with respect to any noise attributable to the shooting range if the shooting range is in compliance with the provisions of all applicable statutes, ordinances and regulations concerning noise.

Miscellaneous Provisions
It is unlawful to set any “spring gun” or “trap gun”.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:51:26am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:52:06am
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Nyet  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:52:26am

re: #155 Anymouse 🌹

The way he described the call dripped with adoration - IMHO.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:53:24am

GOP puts out bills to end mental health provisions.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:53:53am

re: #186 Belafon

Most responsible owners accept some restrictions. The problem is that they keep voting Republican anyway.

I was a participant on a FB thread a few days ago that involved a toddler killing herself when she found a loaded gun while rummaging through her grandmother’s purse. None of the family members seemed to feel that this was preventable — to them it was just an unforeseen tragedy.

Too many gun owners are responsible until they aren’t. After Sandy Hook, I really lost hope. Too many gun owners don’t care how many innocent lives are lost because it’s important for them to have the most lethal assemblage of weaponry at their disposal. The NRA should be labelled a terrorist organization since its goal is to terrorize Americans into buying more weapons.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:54:45am

re: #60 lawhawk

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Dr. Matt  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:55:26am

Hidden as not to allow wingnuts to claim we are spreading “fake news”:

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wrenchwench  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:55:30am

re: #181 Shropshire Slasher

I sat down and watched 2001 a Space Odyssey, humankind was born when they discovered they could kill each other with a femur.

I watched it the day it came out, the first time I watched it. They discovered how to use a tool. What they needed a tool for at the time was to eat something. The easiest way to get something right then was theft. The tool made them human, not the murder.

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BeachDem  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:55:37am

Sigh.

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EPR-radar  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:56:43am

re: #195 Hecuba’s daughter

I was a participant on a FB thread a few days ago that involved a toddler killing herself when she found a loaded gun while rummaging through her grandmother’s purse. None of the family members seemed to feel that this was preventable — to them it was just an unforeseen tragedy.

Too many gun owners are responsible until they aren’t. After Sandy Hook, I really lost hope. Too many gun owners don’t care how many innocent lives are lost because it’s important for them to have the most lethal assemblage of weaponry at their disposal. The NRA should be labelled a terrorist organization since its goal is to terrorize Americans into buying more weapons.

The NRA can also be regarded as a warped religious death cult whose primary celebration is human sacrifice via random murder.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:58:19am

re: #199 BeachDem

Sigh.

But, but, but I was told that FB censors conservative news….

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lawhawk  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:59:16am

re: #162 Archangelus

Kurtz is getting lit like there’s nothing else. More than 4k replies. Most of those are telling him to get bent.

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Nyet  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:59:58am

re: #199 BeachDem

Google has been “syndicating” Dim Jim and Breitbart for some time. Ugh.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:00:10am

I almost feel this domestic attack is worse than Oklahoma.

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dangerman  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:00:20am

re: #186 Belafon

Most responsible owners accept some restrictions. The problem is that they keep voting Republican anyway.

as i say ive thought about this a lot

today i am resigned
that no matter how well behaved the responsible people are
there is no way to stop this kind of thing

how do you identify someone who’s gonna snap in 10 years?
how do you prevent his buying a gun today? he’s me (as it were).

the only way is to abandon accountability and circle back to “control”. physical control. who is allowed to have guns. what kind and how they work. and getting control of the 300+ million out there. that’ll take more than just a boatload of political will. i dont see it ever happening.

i firmly believe the 30k deaths a year number can be brought way down.

i do not see how to stop these kinds of events

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I cannot.  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:00:50am

re: #202 lawhawk

He’s getting Ratio’d hard. Good.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:00:55am

re: #202 lawhawk

Kurtz is getting lit like there’s nothing else. More than 4k replies. Most of those are telling him to get bent.

If the shooter had been a Muslim Fox News would have started running TRUMP WAS RIGHT BAN ALL THE MUSLIMS reports immediately.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:01:13am

re: #157 Backwoods_Sleuth

my shocked face…

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That is why we want to regulate guns!!!

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Belafon  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:01:45am

re: #204 Eclectic Cyborg

I almost feel this domestic attack is worse than Oklahoma.

I think we’re in the ebola vs radiation poisoning realm here.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:01:54am

Sheriff Lombardo has retweeted James Woods in his timeline.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:02:14am

re: #172 Unshaken Defiance

Look at this chart…

cbsnews.com

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I’d forgotten that Orlando was 49 killed, thought it was less than that for some reason.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:02:49am
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wrenchwench  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:03:03am

re: #205 dangerman

as i say ive thought about this a lot

today i am resigned
that no matter how well behaved the responsible people are
there is no way to stop this kind of thing

how do you identify someone who’s gonna snap in 10 years?
how do you prevent his buying a gun today? he’s me (as it were).

the only way is to abandon accountability and circle back to “control”. physical control. who is allowed to have guns. what kind and how they work. and getting control of the 300+ million out there. that’ll take more than just a boatload of political will. i dont see it ever happening.

i firmly believe the 30k deaths a year number can be brought way down.

i do not see how to stop these kinds of events

And the rate of suicide with guns is higher. Still, IIANM.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:04:09am

re: #212 Amory Blaine

Woods must have been really tough on the White Supremacists in Charlottesville.

///

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Belafon  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:04:54am

re: #205 dangerman

I see no reason automatic weapons should be in the hands of anyone outside the military. Make them illegal with a one year grace period for buybacks from the government. Make any gun that can be modified with a kit to an automatic weapon illegal. No exceptions. You want to keep one to show off, fill it full of concrete.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:05:07am

Now Twitterati are attacking the musician who was on stage when the gunfire erupted:

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lawhawk  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:06:02am

re: #60 lawhawk

In the couple of hours since I posted that initial tweet, more than 2,000 people have liked it, and 4k people have lit into Kurtz for saying it’s not the right time to act to stop gun violence.

We NEVER get a breather from gun violence in the US. Every fucking day is another shooting. We average a mass shooting (3+ shot) daily. So even as overall crime rates approach historic lows (per capita), the gun violence continues and would be reduced even further.

That gun violence has costs - a human toll. There’s also the health care costs and criminal justice/incarceration costs. Many more lives are saved thanks to improved health care and treatment; we have more survivors of gun violence than even a decade ago - and law enforcement lives are spared thanks to bulletproof vests.

The GOP wont stand up to the gun lobby and NRA and make the nation safer for all Americans. There’s guns and bullets to sell. Even selling to mentally ill people is acceptable to the GOP and NRA.

It’s a public health crisis the GOP simply wont address (and for years refused to allow to be quantified in a way that could help researchers identify means of addressing ways to reduce the very violence).

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:06:23am

This POS’s bullshit fake news outfit has WH press credentials.

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Nyet  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:06:45am

re: #216 Anymouse 🌹

Now Twitterati are attacking the musician who was on stage when the gunfire erupted:

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She thinks she’s progressive, too.

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dangerman  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:07:03am

re: #195 Hecuba’s daughter

I was a participant on a FB thread a few days ago that involved a toddler killing herself when she found a loaded gun while rummaging through her grandmother’s purse. None of the family members seemed to feel that this was preventable — to them it was just an unforeseen tragedy.

Too many gun owners are responsible until they aren’t. After Sandy Hook, I really lost hope. Too many gun owners don’t care how many innocent lives are lost because it’s important for them to have the most lethal assemblage of weaponry at their disposal. The NRA should be labelled a terrorist organization since its goal is to terrorize Americans into buying more weapons.

this is a perfect example of how to cut the 30k a year carnage down

they want the “right” without any responsibility or accountability

and that includes who they sell their guns to

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:07:04am

re: #216 Anymouse 🌹

I am sure he saw first hand what was happening, not hear it since I assume he was wearing earpieces. There was nothing he could have done.

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lawhawk  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:07:25am

Oh, and if this was an Islamic terror attack, does that somehow make this worse? That it’s a white guy who’s approaching retirement age makes the carnage more acceptable?

To the GOP, the answer to both is indisputably Yes.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:07:49am

His girlfriend was apparently in Australia.

I feel really bad for her, her name & photo is everywhere.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:07:52am

re: #192 Backwoods_Sleuth

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They are not wrong. Trump will probably tweet about sportsball players not standing for the flag tomorrow, and that’s all the “news” channels will be talking about.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:08:28am

re: #218 Ace-o-aces

This POS’s bullshit fake news outfit has WH press credentials.

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As one of my students asked me, “Why did someone give that poor man a microphone and not the straitjacket and a nice long vacation in a quiet, restful place he so obviously needs?”

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Nyet  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:08:33am

re: #218 Ace-o-aces

This POS’s bullshit fake news outfit has WH press credentials.

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That last time it was a temporary pass, did they get a permanent one now?

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Belafon  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:08:33am

re: #216 Anymouse 🌹

Now Twitterati are attacking the musician who was on stage when the gunfire erupted:

They talked to him this morning on GMA. The gear musicians wear minimizes sounds from outside the stage. He didn’t know what was going on and was just told to run by others.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:08:41am

re: #218 Ace-o-aces

This POS’s bullshit fake news outfit has WH press credentials.

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He needs to shut the fuck up for once but of course the miserable bastard never will.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:08:53am

re: #224 Big Beautiful Door

They are not wrong. Trump will probably tweet about sportsball players not standing for the flag tomorrow, and that’s all the “news” channels will be talking about.

Trump is scouring his mentions looking for “proof” that the shooter is tied to Hillary/Soros/Obama.

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dangerman  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:09:28am

re: #213 wrenchwench

And the rate of suicide with guns is higher. Still, IIANM.

a statistic i am still trying to chase down is how many suicides by gun are with an owned gun vs someone else’s gun

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Sir John Barron  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:10:14am

re: #228 HappyWarrior

He needs to shut the fuck up for once but of course the miserable bastard never will.

Democrats should wait until forever to mention gun control but it’s fine for Alex Jones and wingnut media to “speculate” immediately because “far right media really doesn’t matter, nobody takes them seriously”, etc.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:10:18am

re: #216 Anymouse 🌹

Stupid fucks. Tactical 101 says in an active shooter situation you get your ass to cover ASAP then figure out your next best move.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:12:05am

Have either Sioanann or Vegas Golfer checked in?

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I cannot.  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:13:23am

re: #232 Eclectic Cyborg

But Hollywood says you stand there with your dick in the wind, pull out your gun and return fire.

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Mike Lamb  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:13:48am

re: #226 Nyet

That last time it was a temporary pass, did they get a permanent one now?

That he had any credential is a travesty.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:14:04am

re: #234 I cannot.

Hollywood and video games.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:14:17am

re: #234 I cannot.

But Hollywood says you stand there with your dick in the wind, pull out your gun and return fire.

Yeah, Aldean should have been coordinating a response from the stage. ////

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weave  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:14:23am

re: #231 Sir John Barron

Democrats should wait until forever to mention gun control but it’s fine for Alex Jones and wingnut media to “speculate” immediately because “far right media really doesn’t matter, nobody takes them seriously”, etc.

Yeah, I can’t believe the number of “How dare Clinton politicize this tragedy” posts I’ve read this morning. :-(

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I cannot.  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:15:22am

re: #236 Eclectic Cyborg

Well, yeah, I can just wait to respawn or grab a health power-up…

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Belafon  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:17:02am

re: #238 weave

Yeah, I can’t believe the number of “How dare Clinton politicize this tragedy” posts I’ve read this morning. :-(

People who say that have know clue what “politics” means.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:17:54am

re: #190 MsJ

The NRA’s own freaking website says that machine guns are legal in NV. Yet you have morons posting links to pages they didn’t bother to read saying people who do read are morons for reading - or something.

nraila.org

So he was a good guy with a gun until the moment he pulled the trigger.

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MsJ  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:18:26am

re: #238 weave

Yeah, I can’t believe the number of “How dare Clinton politicize this tragedy” posts I’ve read this morning. :-(

Here’s the great thing. She doesn’t give a shit what people think.

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Alephnaught  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:19:18am

re: #187 Interesting Times

Holy fuck indeed - what a follow-up:

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A friend of mine, Lady Munter, knew one of victims of the Pulse nightclub shooting.

As someone who is Glasgow born and bred, and have lived here for most of my life, I’m already part of this “degree of separation” mentioned in the post above.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:19:49am

Kurtz feelings don’t hold. There was a mass shooting earlier that we can talk about. Or don’t those lives matter to him?

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:20:11am

re: #232 Eclectic Cyborg

Stupid fucks. Tactical 101 says in an active shooter situation you get your ass to cover ASAP then figure out your next best move.

I’m guessing they’re thinking he should have stood up on the stage with his amplifiers and told the crowd to take cover or hide.

From the various videos, it’s clear he is still playing well-through the first volley of gunfire—in other words he couldn’t hear it.

Stage security and such are paid to do things like bundle performers off a stage when there is danger to the performer, which is what looks like happened to me.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:20:19am

re: #239 I cannot.

Well, yeah, I can just wait to respawn or grab a health power-up…

Not if you’re playing Contra. :p

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MsJ  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:21:06am

re: #241 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

So he was a good guy with a gun until the moment he pulled the trigger.

As is usually the case.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:21:11am

re: #81 Nyet

Report last tweet in thread plz.

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Buzzfeed did an article on that guy, he’s a real piece of shit.

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lawhawk  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:21:15am

Looks like I got a mention in Raw Story roundup of the Internet going off on Kurtz:

rawstory.com

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lawhawk  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:21:44am
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wrenchwench  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:23:07am

re: #249 lawhawk

Looks like I got a mention in Raw Story roundup of the Internet going off on Kurtz:

rawstory.com

You’re right up their with your buddies, Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:23:45am

re: #250 lawhawk

🤔

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Kragar  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:24:53am
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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:25:30am
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Belafon  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:27:00am

re: #254 Anymouse 🌹

I realize this could be seen as McCarthyesque, but we should start tagging these people as Russian agents until proven otherwise.

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VegasGolfer  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:27:03am

re: #233 Stanley Sea

Have either Sioanann or Vegas Golfer checked in?

I’m here. thanks.

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A dark and stormy covfefe  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:28:02am

re: #253 Kragar

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:29:13am
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Woods Witch  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:29:32am

re: #254 Anymouse 🌹

It’s what they do. They can’t admit, even to themselves, that it might be one of their own.

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:31:03am

re: #254 Anymouse 🌹

You forgot that his girlfriend is from Indonesia, a predominantly Muslim country, who radicalized him.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:31:21am

According to the Alex Jones’ of the world, America is the safest country in the world except for all the false flag attacks and crisis actors.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:31:49am

re: #259 Woods Witch

It’s what they do. They can’t admit, even to themselves, that it might be one of their own.

Because it might go something like this……”Are we the baddies?”

‘Are we the Baddies?’ Mitchell and Webb Funny Nazi Scetch

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Belafon  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:32:08am

re: #260 Shropshire Slasher

You forgot that his girlfriend is from Indonesia, a predominantly Muslim country, who radicalized him.

So, what you’re saying is that white men are so weak minded that they shouldn’t be allowed to own guns?

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Romantic Heretic  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:32:13am

re: #18 Blind Frog Belly White

I won’t be surprised to find that some of the victims were not shot by Paddock.

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ericblair  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:32:48am

re: #222 lawhawk

Oh, and if this was an Islamic terror attack, does that somehow make this worse? That it’s a white guy who’s approaching retirement age makes the carnage more acceptable?

It makes it more politically convenient. Trump will try to drop this as soon as possible because there’s no racial angle, he doesn’t really care about guns, and all the pro-gun arguments got proven wrong.

I think we’re going to see a lot of cases of old white men, paranoid from Fox News and well into dementia, and a basement full of weapons, with their families TRYING TO TAKE THEIR GUNS AWAY for real. And it’s going to be a real fucking problem.

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Kragar  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:33:52am

re: #264 Romantic Heretic

I won’t be surprised to find that some of the victims were not shot by Paddock.

A fair number of injuries were probably caused by people fleeing the scene.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:34:56am

Security checks at hotels and banning open-air events - I’ll have to pull out a WTF for that.

Those would not be the sign of a free country.

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lawhawk  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:36:18am

re: #266 Kragar

A fair number of injuries were probably caused by people fleeing the scene.

There were multiple reports of people being trampled. The terror of being fired upon by persons unknown and the fear of needing to get away likely led to many others getting injured - whether broken bones, lacerations, or much worse.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:36:58am

re: #264 Romantic Heretic

I won’t be surprised to find that some of the victims were not shot by Paddock.

I would imagine some of those injured sustained injuries trying to escape, crowd crush, falling, &c.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:37:10am

re: #268 lawhawk

Crowd crushes can be very dangerous. See also: Hillsborough disaster.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:37:29am

re: #268 lawhawk

There were multiple reports of people being trampled. The terror of being fired upon by persons unknown and the fear of needing to get away likely led to many others getting injured - whether broken bones, lacerations, or much worse.

A situation like that would almost inevitably lead to a stampede and the associated injuries. There’s no two ways around it.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:38:00am

Degree of separation=check

My friend’s brother’s friend was killed.

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electrotek  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:38:36am

re: #260 Shropshire Slasher

You forgot that his girlfriend is from Indonesia, a predominantly Muslim country, who radicalized him.

Wasn’t Rage Furby’s wife/ex-wife from Indonesia too?

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:39:17am

re: #117 Belafon

What’s the drop on a bullet from a handgun 300+ feet away due to gravity and air resistance?

My .45 Colt had an effective range of about 50 yards. And it was a pretty powerful handgun.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:41:05am
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Jay C  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:41:44am

re: #268 lawhawk

There were multiple reports of people being trampled. The terror of being fired upon by persons unknown and the fear of needing to get away likely led to many others getting injured - whether broken bones, lacerations, or much worse.

Looking at the photos of the concert venue (?? an open-air “arena” ??)
it looks to have been pretty crowded with 22,000 people in it: presumably standing - hard to see how any shooter could miss hitting someone with that level of target density. But yeah, a panicked stampede would be just as deadly.

See #94 Blind Frog Belly White

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:43:29am
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Romantic Heretic  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:43:44am

re: #276 Jay C

I’m sure Paddock counted on that.

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:44:18am

re: #274 Eventual Carrion

The way I was taught a rifled bullet works is that if the barrel of your firearm is at a 45 degree angle to the horizontal, not only will this maximize your range, but it will also kill you coming back down.

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:44:39am
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lawhawk  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:46:26am

re: #280 Ace-o-aces

How long before we find that this “kit daniels” is a Russian potted plant.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:47:36am

re: #276 Jay C

Looking at the photos of the concert venue (?? an open-air “arena” ??)
it looks to have been pretty crowded with 22,000 people in it: presumably standing - hard to see how any shooter could miss hitting someone with that level of target density. But yeah, a panicked stampede would be just as deadly.

In 1989, a stampede at the Hillsborough football stadium in Sheffield, England led to 96 deaths. So it’s certainly possible that some of the deaths here were due to panic fleeing from the venue.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:47:50am

re: #273 electrotek

Wasn’t Rage Furby’s wife/ex-wife from Indonesia too?

Rage Furby got divorced?

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gocart mozart  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:47:50am

re: #200 EPR-radar

Too many gun owners are responsible until they aren’t. After Sandy Hook, I really lost hope. Too many gun owners don’t care how many innocent lives are lost because it’s important for them to have the most lethal assemblage of weaponry at their disposal. The NRA should be labelled a terrorist organization since its goal is to terrorize Americans into buying more weapons.

Adam Lanza’s mom needed an AR-15 for protection because she lived alone in an upper middle class suburban low crime neighborhood with her adult mentally troubled son who was too obsessed with death to protect her by himself despite her giving him his own handgun for his birthday. Unfortunately she never got a chance to use it on a home invader.

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freetoken  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:47:57am

re: #279 Shropshire Slasher

Galileo had pretty much worked this out. You get maximum range when 45 degrees from the horizontal plane. However, and this is important, than means your munitions are falling down upon the target.

It’s also why firing canons uphill is a losing idea.

So anyone who thinks if the audience was armed that they could have shot the perp several floors up at the Mandalay they are just wrong.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:48:47am

There is an opposite Donald tweet for every occasion:

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Dr. Matt  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:49:08am

re: #283 Sir John Barron

Rage Furby got divorced?

Was it ever confirmed that he was actually married?

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freetoken  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:49:41am

It’s also why anti-air guns from the ground are not a defense against jets at altitude. It just won’t work. It’s why you need rockets.

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I cannot.  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:50:25am

re: #283 Sir John Barron

Not sure, but I don’t nearly as much about the Hot Asian Wife as we used to. (I try to avoid any mention of Chuckles as much as possible though)

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:51:32am

re: #285 freetoken

Galileo had pretty much worked this out. You get maximum range when 45 degrees from the horizontal plane. However, and this is important, than means your munitions are falling down upon the target.

It’s also why firing canons uphill is a losing idea.

So anyone who thinks if the audience was armed that they could have shot the perp several floors up at the Mandalay are just wrong.

But they may have killed several other innocent people.

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ObserverArt  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:51:39am

It almost seems everyone has their plan on how to talk about something like the Vegas slaughter down pat now even before anything happens. It only takes an hour or less for the blaming and excusing to start and the posting of same to hit Twitter and Facebook.

All I know is reality has escaped out the back door. Gone. We are left to deal with what is left, fake bullshit meant to cover butts.

This is how we got Trump. This is how we may never get back to normal. Normal is no more. The country I was told about when I was a kid in 1960, it is no more. It is over.

The last one out, shoot out the lights.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:51:55am

re: #288 freetoken

It’s also why anti-air guns from the ground are not a defense against jets at altitude. It just won’t work. It’s why you need rockets.

That’s right! I need rockets! Maga!!!?11332tyytj

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Stanley Sea  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:52:37am

Friend of brother of friend - working venue, shot in head, died in surgery.

54.

Wife, kids etc.

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freetoken  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:53:10am

re: #290 Hecuba’s daughter

But they may have killed several other innocent people.

For sure. Vegas is crowded every night. Raining bullets down on people is not good idea.

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ObserverArt  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:53:41am

re: #270 Eclectic Cyborg

Crowd crushes can be very dangerous. See also: Hillsborough disaster.

The Who concert in Cincinnati. It wasn’t even a panic, it was people pushing to get in the doors to find the best seats fast.

I was in it. I cannot imagine what that would have been like if someone was in one of the downtown buildings shooting at the crowd waiting to get in.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:55:25am
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Citizen K  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:56:39am
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Belafon  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:59:50am

re: #297 Citizen K

The shooter already played politics by killing people.

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:00:19am

Manson gets hurt on stage, looks freaking painful.

The moment stage props collapsed on Marilyn Manson during concert

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:03:11am

I’m off to bed.

Stay safe.

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:03:34am

Marilou Danley is no longer a person of interest.

abc30.com

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:04:07am

re: #299 Shropshire Slasher

Manson gets hurt on stage, looks freaking painful.

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Larger

Looks like an OSHA violation to me.

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ObserverArt  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:04:14am

re: #298 Belafon

The shooter already played politics by killing people.

Thank you.

That is what I was thinking when I said to Nyet/Sergey it was a terrorist attack to the people suffering the onslaught at the concert.

You had the terror, and when someone decides they are going to make a statement by shooting hundreds of innocent people it is a political statement as it is a move to control people.

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makeitstop  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:04:15am

re: #299 Shropshire Slasher

Manson gets hurt on stage, looks freaking painful.

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Video

And he’d already sprained an ankle the night before.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:05:11am

If Marilou Danley is the shooter’s GF, she didn’t think it was odd that he had 10 rifles in their hotel room?

My bad. I didn’t know she was out of the country.

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Belafon  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:06:18am

re: #300 Anymouse 🌹

I’m off to bed.

Stay safe.

“To all those people looking to solve gun violence in this country, we need the blood sacrifices.” - Bevin

Doctor Who’s already done their take on why there are so many guns here. Someone needs to do a Cabin in the Woods style movie to explain them.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:06:48am

re: #305 Dr. Matt

Marilou Danley is the shooter’s GF, she didn’t think it was odd that he had 10 rifles in their hotel room?

apparently, she wasn’t there

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Dr. Matt  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:07:14am

re: #299 Shropshire Slasher

Manson gets hurt on stage, looks freaking painful.

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I’m guessing they never did full set rehearsals prior to the tour or one of the stage hands didn’t properly secure the prop.

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ObserverArt  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:07:28am

re: #305 Dr. Matt

Marilou Danley is the shooter’s GF, she didn’t think it was odd that he had 10 rifles in their hotel room?

She was out of the country. I don’t think it has been said she was anywhere near the hotel room(s)* in Vegas.

* Windows shown blown out in hotel building make it appear he had access to two rooms.

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Kragar  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:07:52am
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electrotek  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:07:57am

It’s really hard to work and respond to comments on my FB post regarding the massacre, but this one I’m struggling to respond to this one:

you really don’t know what you’re talking about. You should research your topic of discussion with the facts and then you can have an educated discussion. You’re just regurgitating what you read or heard in media or on the Internet.

The truth is the deadliest mass shooting in American History occurred in 1890 at the hands of the US government (Wounded Knee Massacre).

Over the last 50 years these types of events have become more prevalent, but why? Gun laws have only gotten stronger and more restrictive, so what has changed? Answer that and you might be able to start addressing the problem.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:07:58am

re: #307 Backwoods_Sleuth

apparently, she wasn’t there

Ah. Ok. Thanks.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:08:16am

re: #305 Dr. Matt

Marilou Danley is the shooter’s GF, she didn’t think it was odd that he had 10 rifles in their hotel room?

She was in Australia.
CNN just said the Philippines.

Poor woman is being dragged through the mud.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:08:25am
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Sir John Barron  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:08:41am

re: #300 Anymouse 🌹

To all those political opportunists who are seizing on the tragedy in Las Vegas to call for more gun regs…You can’t regulate evil…

— Governor Matt Bevin

BUT THE NFL PLAYER THUGS MUST STAND ATTENTION FOR THE FLAG AND THE TROOPS!

Also, um, if you can’t regulate evil, why regulate abortion?

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:08:57am

re: #304 makeitstop

An ankle sprain on a previous ankle sprain is probably one of the most painful experience my life.

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Alephnaught  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:09:06am

re: #305 Dr. Matt

Marilou Danley is the shooter’s GF, she didn’t think it was odd that he had 10 rifles in their hotel room?

Wasn’t she out of the country at the time?

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electrotek  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:09:33am

re: #316 Shropshire Slasher

An ankle sprain on a previous ankle sprain is probably one of the most painful experience my life.

Tell me about it. I’m still recovering from mine from back in January

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Kragar  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:10:13am
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Sir John Barron  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:10:14am

re: #311 electrotek

you really don’t know what you’re talking about. You should research your topic of discussion with the facts and then you can have an educated discussion. You’re just regurgitating what you read or heard in media or on the Internet.

Also here is link to very good site where I get news which I don’t get by Fake News Media!

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:10:15am

re: #299 Shropshire Slasher

Manson gets hurt on stage, looks freaking painful.

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Video

OMG GUNS!!!!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:12:08am

The gunman who authorities said killed at least 58 people at a Las Vegas music festival appears to have used at least one fully automatic rifle and had more than a dozen other firearms in his hotel room, a law-enforcement official said.

Investigators found 18 to 20 firearms, some fully automatic, in a room on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino, the law-enforcement official said. That is from where the suspect, identified as 64-year-old Stephen Paddock, allegedly fired upon thousands of concertgoers below. The weapons included AR-15-style and AK-47-style rifles as well as a large cache of ammunition, the official said.

O_o

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Stanley Sea  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:13:27am

Sarah Sanders is breaking down.

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Belafon  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:13:30am

re: #303 ObserverArt

Thank you.

That is what I was thinking when I said to Nyet/Sergey it was a terrorist attack to the people suffering the onslaught at the concert.

You had the terror, and when someone decides they are going to make a statement by shooting hundreds of innocent people it is a political statement as it is a move to control people.

I can’t stand the way people try to dismiss politics. When people are interacting in a way that affects the whole group or a larger group of people, it’s politics. The inaction people like Bevin and the NRA want is politics of the highest order, since they’re not trying to reduce these kinds of shootings.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:13:39am

re: #322 Backwoods_Sleuth

Investigators found 18 to 20 firearms, some fully automatic, in a room on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino

Good grief. First reports had it at 10, IIRC.

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:14:17am

re: #313 Stanley Sea

Do you have a link? I looked but only came up with this

dailymail.co.uk

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freetoken  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:14:25am

re: #323 Stanley Sea

Sarah Sanders is breaking down.

Are you watching the live presser? Are these daily now?

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Dr. Matt  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:15:13am

re: #322 Backwoods_Sleuth

Investigators found 18 to 20 firearms, some fully automatic, in a room on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino, the law-enforcement official said.

Jebus. Apparently he had been at the hotel for several days. How did the maid service crew not notice that many rifles!?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:15:34am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:16:07am

re: #328 Dr. Matt

He probably had them stuffed in a suitcase or a travel bag or a sports bag or something.

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:16:34am

re: #328 Dr. Matt

My guess is that he didn’t request a turndown service.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:16:35am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:16:41am

Maybe Sanders is a little more human than I thought she was.

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TedStriker  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:16:49am

re: #328 Dr. Matt

Jebus. Apparently he has been at the hotel for several days. How did the maid service crew not notice that many rifles!?

If you put the DND sign up at most hotels, housekeeping won’t come in.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:16:52am

re: #326 Shropshire Slasher

Do you have a link? I looked but only came up with this

dailymail.co.uk

Just heard it on CNN.

Daily Fail = beware

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Belafon  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:16:58am

re: #311 electrotek

It’s really hard to work and respond to comments on my FB post regarding the massacre, but this one I’m struggling to respond to this one:

Gun laws have not gotten more restrictive, they have gotten less (the assault weapons ban, instituted during prohibition, has been allowed to expire). At the same time, what has changed is that guns have gotten immensely cheaper compared to incomes. Plus, the gun worship is through the roof. My grandfather would have slapped adults upside their heads and taken their guns if they had acted back then the way they are now.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:17:23am

re: #332 Backwoods_Sleuth

You would think the VP could offer more than love…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:18:17am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:18:18am

re: #334 TedStriker

If you put the DND sign up at most hotels, housekeeping won’t come in.

Another possibility: Musical instrument cases

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:18:19am

re: #335 Stanley Sea

The link has an interview with an Australian man who was next door to the shooter, that is all.

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Belafon  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:18:32am

re: #328 Dr. Matt

“Do Not Disturb”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:18:34am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:19:28am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:19:52am

Obama got emotional about Sandy Hook and got mocked. I don’t doubt that Sarah finds this tragic but at the same time, this administration has the ability to prevent future tragedies like this.

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Belafon  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:20:23am

re: #343 Backwoods_Sleuth

Let’s all unite is supporting sane gun measures.

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dangerman  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:20:32am

re: #336 Belafon

Gun laws have not gotten more restrictive, they have gotten less (the assault weapons ban, instituted during prohibition, has been allowed to expire). At the same time, what has changed is that guns have gotten immensely cheaper compared to incomes. Plus, the gun worship is through the roof. My grandfather would have slapped adults upside their heads and taken their guns if they had acted back then the way they are now.

further, there are more and more people willing to use them egregiously on other people and then willingly take their own lives before being confronted / caught

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:20:39am

re: #343 Backwoods_Sleuth

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There’s never a time and place for gun control debate because people like her are always saying that following yet another shooting.

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freetoken  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:20:48am

re: #344 HappyWarrior

All it proves is that she is more human than Trump, who comes off as a real sociopath.

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MsJ  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:21:25am

I need something positive. This helped.

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Belafon  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:21:42am

Who loves this country more:
1. Football players kneeling to bring attention to police brutality
2. People thinking that we have to accept gun violence as a price for the second amendment?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:22:21am
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MsJ  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:22:27am

re: #333 Eclectic Cyborg

Maybe Sanders is a little more human than I thought she was.

No. She’s not.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:23:01am

re: #343 Backwoods_Sleuth

Huckabee Sanders on gun control: “There is a time and place for a political debate. But this is a time to unite as a country.”

— Aaron Blake

Unite to do what?

Also, when’s the next Trump rally?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:23:07am
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Sir John Barron  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:23:46am

re: #350 Belafon

Who loves this country more:
1. Football players kneeling to bring attention to police brutality
2. People thinking that we have to accept gun violence as a price for the second amendment?

3. Lubed up NFL fans angry that players kneeled before the anthem yesterday.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:24:15am
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Dr. Matt  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:24:26am

The DailyMail has some new photos (to me) and history of the shooter:
dailymail.co.uk

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Sir John Barron  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:24:51am

re: #356 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Now is the time to unite….”
/

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Charles Johnson  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:25:17am
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EPR-radar  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:25:52am

re: #344 HappyWarrior

Obama got emotional about Sandy Hook and got mocked. I don’t doubt that Sarah finds this tragic but at the same time, this administration has the ability to prevent future tragedies like this.

We shouldn’t overstate things. Sensible gun control measures will almost certainly significantly reduce gun deaths, including mass shooting incidents, but ‘prevention’ is impossible and mentioning it supports RWNJ talking points.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:26:08am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:26:42am
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makeitstop  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:26:56am

re: #328 Dr. Matt

Jebus. Apparently he had been at the hotel for several days. How did the maid service crew not notice that many rifles!?

Maybe he brought them in one or two at a time late at night, and hing out the ‘Do Not Disturb’ sign..

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:27:05am

Okay, is it just me, or are people overusing the term ‘terrorism’ as a reaction to the Right’s exclusive use of the word to describe acts by Muslims?

I mean, I always thought ‘terrorism’ denoted the threat or use of violence targeted at civilians for a political purpose. Hence, Dylan Roof was a terrorist, but Adam Lanza was not. If there was no political purpose to this shooting - and so far none has surfaced - then is it really terrorism?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:27:26am

re: #360 EPR-radar

We shouldn’t overstate things. Sensible gun control measures will almost certainly significantly reduce gun deaths, including mass shooting incidents, but ‘prevention’ is impossible and mentioning it supports RWNJ talking points.

True I should have said reduce.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:27:31am

re: #354 Backwoods_Sleuth

But the GOP certainly won’t do anything. Mid-terms are coming up next year and let’s face it, gun control legislation would be absolute political suicide for them.

That’s why “it’s never the time”. They’re hopelessly impotent in the face of the NRA and the wingnut brigades.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:28:14am

re: #349 MsJ

Thank you. That was awesome. The predator-prey shift from that clip was quite impressive. And, the positive effect of beavers on ecosystems has been a long time developing, but our understanding is getting there.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:28:32am

good fucking grief.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:28:46am

re: #364 Blind Frog Belly White

Okay, is it just me, or are people overusing the term ‘terrorism’ as a reaction to the Right’s exclusive use of the word to describe acts by Muslims?

I mean, I always thought ‘terrorism’ denoted the threat or use of violence targeted at civilians for a political purpose. Hence, Dylan Roof was a terrorist, but Adam Lanza was not. If there was no political purpose to this shooting - and so far none has surfaced - then is it really terrorism?

I have to agree. It doesn’t make Lanza’s crimes less horrible but by definition Lanza isn’t a terrorist while Root was. I don’t know if Paddock was one or not yet.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:29:53am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:30:04am

re: #368 Backwoods_Sleuth

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good fucking grief.

Because Chicago isn’t near gun friendly Indiana. Man I’m so sick of them always ragging on Chicago just because it’s Hillary and Obama’s home city.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:30:05am

re: #366 Dr Lizardo

But the GOP certainly won’t do anything. Mid-terms are coming up next year and let’s face it, gun control legislation would be absolute political suicide for them.

That’s why “it’s never the time”. They’re hopelessly impotent in the face of the NRA and the wingnut brigades.

David Frum put up a couple tweets this morning.

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Kragar  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:30:11am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:30:44am
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Dr Lizardo  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:31:20am

re: #369 HappyWarrior

I have to agree. It doesn’t make Lanza’s crimes less horrible but by definition Lanza isn’t a terrorist while Root was. I don’t know if Paddock was one or not yet.

Terrorism implies, at least for me, some overarching political or ideological goal that the terrorist seeks to achieve. So far, there’s nothing out there to suggest Paddock had any sort of goal - his motive is entirely unknown thus far, and may well forever remain so unless investigators can unearth some evidence.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:31:41am

re: #311 electrotek

It’s really hard to work and respond to comments on my FB post regarding the massacre, but this one I’m struggling to respond to this one:

His premise is false. Gun regulation has been getting laxer in recent years.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:31:44am

It wasn’t the time to discuss guns after “Fill in the blank.” And Sarah wants to talk politicized, she should talk to her Dad who has blamed social liberalism for shootings often.

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EPR-radar  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:31:57am

re: #373 Kragar

If repealing the second amendment is what it will take to get to sanity on the subject of guns, so be it.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:32:12am

re: #375 Dr Lizardo

Terrorism implies, at least for me, some overarching political or ideological goal that the terrorist seeks to achieve. So far, there’s nothing out there to suggest Paddock had any sort of goal - his motive is entirely unknown thus far, and may well forever remain so unless investigators can unearth some evidence.

Agree with that.

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jaunte  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:32:14am

The murders will continue until we have greed control.

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lawhawk  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:32:22am

re: #371 HappyWarrior

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Sir John Barron  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:32:35am

re: #368 Backwoods_Sleuth

good fucking grief.

A day of ‘reflection’? What are we reflecting on?

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electrotek  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:32:58am

re: #381 lawhawk

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Yeah. Like I said before, Indiana is America’s Belgium.

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Woods Witch  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:32:59am

re: #343 Backwoods_Sleuth

Of course that was her answer. She’s just another automaton in the gun cult. And I’m damn tired of the whole lot!

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:33:11am

re: #315 Sir John Barron

BUT THE NFL PLAYER THUGS MUST STAND ATTENTION FOR THE FLAG AND THE TROOPS!

Also, um, if you can’t regulate evil, why regulate abortion?

Good question for Bevin, who is aggressively trying to close Kentucky’s last abortion clinic.

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Belafon  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:33:38am

re: #364 Blind Frog Belly White

Okay, is it just me, or are people overusing the term ‘terrorism’ as a reaction to the Right’s exclusive use of the word to describe acts by Muslims?

I mean, I always thought ‘terrorism’ denoted the threat or use of violence targeted at civilians for a political purpose. Hence, Dylan Roof was a terrorist, but Adam Lanza was not. If there was no political purpose to this shooting - and so far none has surfaced - then is it really terrorism?

I agree. I don’t think we need to use it yet. Some of the reaction, though, is related to the hypocrisy of those on the right who will jump to terrorism immediately if the skin color is dark enough.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:33:53am

re: #381 lawhawk

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It’s like that in DC too. Can literally walk to Va from D.C but it’s easy to act like our states are vaccums.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:34:19am

re: #382 Sir John Barron

A day of ‘reflection’? What are we reflecting on?

More blood for the blood god?

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EPR-radar  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:34:56am

re: #380 jaunte

JFC. The Las Vegas shooting is an absolute worst-case scenario for the fuckwits that think carrying in public is always helpful for self-defense, and gun sales are spiking anyway.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:35:09am

re: #328 Dr. Matt

Jebus. Apparently he had been at the hotel for several days. How did the maid service crew not notice that many rifles!?

“Do Not Disturb.”

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Belafon  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:36:25am

re: #373 Kragar

The second amendment also mentions militias, which Scalia decided is an outdated concept, even though we didn’t amend the constitution.

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jaunte  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:36:40am

re: #389 EPR-radar

And I’ll bet they’re buying all the same model rifles the shooter used. Because now they have a badass story attached.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:36:53am

Deleted. Apparently misremembered.

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makeitstop  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:37:17am

re: #390 Big Beautiful Door

“Do Not Disturb.”

He could have also brought in the long guns unassembled and put them together in the room.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:37:48am

re: #350 Belafon

Who loves this country more:
1. Football players kneeling to bring attention to police brutality
2. People thinking that we have to accept gun violence as a price for the second amendment?

The Tree of Liberty is thirsty, my friend.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:38:23am

re: #393 Blind Frog Belly White

IIRC, MOST of the guns recovered/confiscated related to crime in Chicago are from out of state, and 40% of them come from Indiana.

Which is why I strongly reject the region argument. Our states and regions aren’t vaccums.

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freetoken  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:38:39am

re: #386 Belafon

I agree. I don’t think we need to use it yet. Some of the reaction, though, is related to the hypocrisy of those on the right who will jump to terrorism immediately if the skin color is dark enough.

Unless the perp was using this event in order to reach some other goal, then I probably would not use the term “terrorism” as I would rather reserve that word to describe those who use the death of innocents as a tactic in some sort of conflict (ideological or otherwise.)

If a person just wants to kill - then that is sociopathy.

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EPR-radar  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:39:12am

re: #391 Belafon

The second amendment also mentions militias, which Scalia decided is an outdated concept, even though we didn’t amend the constitution.

The second amendment just has to go. There is no interpretation of it that is both 1) sane and 2) politically durable.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:39:27am

re: #393 Blind Frog Belly White

IIRC, MOST of the guns recovered/confiscated related to crime in Chicago are from out of state, and 40% of them come from Indiana.

I think even D_F said something about that once - a lot of the guns being used in criminal acts in Chicago were coming straight from Indiana.

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jaunte  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:39:36am
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Amory Blaine  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:39:46am

Yeah, no unity. I don’t want to hold the bloody hand of a wingnut.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:40:33am

re: #395 Big Beautiful Door

The Tree of Liberty is thirsty, my friend.

So basically, the Tree of Liberty is He Who Walks Behind The Rows.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:40:53am

re: #399 Dr Lizardo

I think even D_F said something about that once - a lot of the guns being used in criminal acts in Chicago were coming straight from Indiana.

If even DF, one of the most inflexible people I’ve ever talked to in regards to gun politics could acknowledge that then the politicians should but then again DF wasn’t being paid by the NRA.

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Mike Lamb  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:40:53am

re: #380 jaunte

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The murders will continue until we have greed control.

Meanwhile, the knuckle draggers accuse Dems/Liberals of a false flag event…

Cui bono motherfuckers.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:41:08am

older article but still fascinating:
Where 50,000 guns recovered in Chicago come from

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:41:33am

re: #400 jaunte

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Those are the words of someone who knows nothing about guns.

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Mike Lamb  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:41:40am

re: #382 Sir John Barron

A day of ‘reflection’? What are we reflecting on?

Gun humpers faces in their well oiled rifles.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:41:46am

re: #394 makeitstop

He could have also brought in the long guns unassembled and put them together in the room.

A long sports/duffel bag doesn’t necessarily look like it’s holding guns. And nobody in a hotel is going to pay attention to somebody in an elevator with a bag like that. You could either have ALL of the guns in bags in your car, and just take the bags up one at a time, because nobody’s going to count how many times you take a bag to your room without taking a bag OUT of your room.

Put DND on your door, and you have all the time in the world to set up.

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jaunte  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:42:00am
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EPR-radar  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:42:05am

re: #402 Dr Lizardo

So basically, the Tree of Liberty is He Who Walks Behind The Rows.

At least the Aztecs had the decency to devote a certain amount of personal attention to each human sacrifice. It’s just rude to have human sacrifice be a random celebration of NRA/GOP religion.

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lawhawk  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:42:53am

re: #393 Blind Frog Belly White

NYC and NYS have strong gun laws. PA doesn’t. VA has weak laws. The Iron Pipeline (I95 corridor allows guns to flow into strong gun law states from states with lax laws. We’ve seen this repeatedly.

Majority of guns used in crimes in NYC are from out of NYS.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:43:21am

re: #408 Blind Frog Belly White

A long sports/duffel bag doesn’t necessarily look like it’s holding guns. And nobody in a hotel is going to pay attention to somebody in an elevator with a bag like that. You could either have ALL of the guns in bags in your car, and just take the bags up one at a time, because nobody’s going to count how many times you take a bag to your room without taking a bag OUT of your room.

Put DND on your door, and you have all the time in the world to set up.

Also, the elevators may well have direct access to the parking garage. I’d imagine they have security cameras in the elevators, but who’s going to look at a sports bag? Sports bags are as common as hell.

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stpaulbear  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:43:22am

re: #397 freetoken

I’m starting to wonder if he did it because he was sick of the festival noise keeping him awake past his bedtime.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:43:51am

re: #409 jaunte

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I hear him. Sigh.

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danarchy  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:43:56am

re: #378 EPR-radar

If repealing the second amendment is what it will take to get to sanity on the subject of guns, so be it.

HA!

That was a joke right? Much like the 13th.14th, and 15th amendments it will take a civil war to change the 2nd.

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Mike Lamb  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:44:28am

re: #394 makeitstop

He could have also brought in the long guns unassembled and put them together in the room.

I would still like to think that it shouldn’t have been so easy to smuggle 10-20 weapons into a hotel room. He had to walk past 100s of people while getting his guns in place.

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makeitstop  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:44:39am
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electrotek  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:44:52am

Oh for Christ’s sake

You could also kill a lot more people with a huge truck. If someone were to drive a dump truck through a large crowd it could be devastating.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:45:11am

looks like SHS could use something to stand on, or the podium needs to be shorter.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:45:22am

re: #408 Blind Frog Belly White

A long sports/duffel bag doesn’t necessarily look like it’s holding guns. And nobody in a hotel is going to pay attention to somebody in an elevator with a bag like that. You could either have ALL of the guns in bags in your car, and just take the bags up one at a time, because nobody’s going to count how many times you take a bag to your room without taking a bag OUT of your room.

Put DND on your door, and you have all the time in the world to set up.

Yep. Probably just looked like any other guy bringing his luggage up.

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Woods Witch  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:45:38am

re: #393 Blind Frog Belly White

True. But most gun nuts have no use for facts or nuance.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:45:57am

re: #409 jaunte

That tweet from T. J. Clark is quite telling. We have Las Vegas, Catalonia,, and an ignorant arse in the WH who, when he hits bedrock after digger, pulls out the dynamite to go deeper. Something is going to snap on this planet that affects many more than just a small, localized population.

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Belafon  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:46:49am

re: #418 electrotek

Oh for Christ’s sake

So? What does that have to do with it? You could also kill a whole lot more people if you poisoned the food at McDonald’s. Doesn’t change the fact that 58 people are dead.

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Interesting Times  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:46:57am

re: #411 lawhawk

NYC and NYS have strong gun laws. PA doesn’t. VA has weak laws. The Iron Pipeline (I95 corridor allows guns to flow into strong gun law states from states with lax laws. We’ve seen this repeatedly.

Majority of guns used in crimes in NYC are from out of NYS.

It’s not just the US, either - we who border you suffer too:

More than two-thirds of guns used in crimes in Canada can be traced back to the United States. The demand for guns among organized crime in Canada means that smuggled guns can fetch 10 times their U.S. value and can be easily shipped across the border, explained Christian Leuprecht, a Queen’s University and Royal Military College political science professor who studies gun-smuggling networks.

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Mike Lamb  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:47:11am

re: #412 Dr Lizardo

Also, the elevators may well have direct access to the parking garage. I’d imagine they have security cameras in the elevators, but who’s going to look at a sports bag? Sports bags are as common as hell.

Not likely. Most of the casinos on the strip require you to come onto the casino floor from the parking garage, walk across the floor to registration, and then to the elevators to the rooms. I can’t think of a single casino on the Stripe that has elevators directly from the rooms to the garage.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:47:32am

re: #416 Mike Lamb

I would still like to think that it shouldn’t have been so easy to smuggle 10-20 weapons into a hotel room. He had to walk past 100s of people while getting his guns in place.

Well, there’s what you’d like to think, and there’s reality. Sadly.

I imagine the cops are combing through as much security footage as they can find to figure out how, but a lot of hotels have direct access from the hotel to the parking garage, to make it easier for guests to come and go. As I said above, nobody’s gonna notice a guy who brings in a sports/duffel bag every day for 3-4 days.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:47:36am

re: #416 Mike Lamb

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Kragar  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:47:48am
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Belafon  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:48:07am

Part of the reason that what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas is that the majority of people purposefully ignore what everyone else is doing.

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danarchy  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:48:27am

re: #416 Mike Lamb

I would still like to think that it shouldn’t have been so easy to smuggle 10-20 weapons into a hotel room. He had to walk past 100s of people while getting his guns in place.

Are you in the habit of searching peoples luggage as they walk past you? Not sure how anyone was supposed to detect this.

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Mike Lamb  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:49:00am

re: #418 electrotek

Oh for Christ’s sake

What chowder head said that? No dump truck is injuring 500+ people unless they are tied down.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:49:22am

re: #425 Mike Lamb

Not likely. Most of the casinos on the strip require you to come onto the casino floor from the parking garage, walk across the floor to registration, and then to the elevators to the rooms. I can’t think of a single casino on the Stripe that has elevators directly from the rooms to the garage.

Ah, OK. I didn’t know that.

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Woods Witch  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:49:25am

re: #418 electrotek

The right is a walking, talking encyclopedia of argumentative fallacies.

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alloutofcrazyhere  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:49:45am

re: #419 Backwoods_Sleuth

Spicer needs something to do since no one in the media will hire him. Besides, he’s used to being stepped on.

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electrotek  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:50:09am

re: #431 Mike Lamb

What chowder head said that? No dump truck is injuring 500+ people unless they are tied down.

Just someone on my FB.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:50:14am

re: #419 Backwoods_Sleuth

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looks like SHS could use something to stand on, or the podium needs to be shorter.

She needs a David Miscavige custom podium.

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Interesting Times  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:50:20am

re: #433 Woods Witch

The woman is walking, talking encyclopedia of argumentative fallacies.

Also this:

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Skip Intro  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:51:24am
We hear serious arguments about all the other parts of the Bill of Rights: that the First Amendment has limits on what T-shirts high-school students (“Bong Hits 4 Jesus!”) can wear; that the Fourth Amendment has limits that allow wiretaps without warrants; that the Fifth Amendment has limits that allow drug-testing without cause; that the Sixth Amendment has limits that allows the states to poison convicts to death. But only with the Second Amendment do we hear the argument that the only tolerable limit on its exercise is that there are no limits. Only with the Second Amendment do we hear that the price of freedom is the occasional Stephen Paddock, locked away in his own madness on the 32nd floor of a luxury hotel and casino, deciding coolly whose brains he will blow out next a few blocks away in the 273rd such unfortunate exercise of Second Amendment rights this year.

esquire.com

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:52:24am

re: #438 Skip Intro

esquire.com

That is so true.

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Mike Lamb  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:52:28am

re: #430 danarchy

Are you in the habit of searching peoples luggage as they walk past you? Not sure how anyone was supposed to detect this.

That’s just a LOT of hardware to be moving around (particularly when ammo if factored in). I’m not blaming anyone and I don’t expect people to be searching bags.

I guess what I am scared to hear is that he didn’t even hide all the guns—that he just walked in with one over his shoulder and it was ok because 2nd amendment.

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A Cranky One  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:52:58am

On behalf of white people, I’d like to renounce the LV shooter.

Oh wait, nobody has generalized the behavior to all white people and demanded we renounce him.

But I thought RWNJs always demanded that all members of a group renounce? I guess the rules are different if the shooter is white instead of a POC or a non-Christian.

Sigh.

And yes, that’s what is driving the claims that the shooter was ISIS or a Democrat or a member of antifa. Because the RWNJ’s can’t tolerate being put into the same position.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:53:10am

re: #368 Backwoods_Sleuth

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good fucking grief.

All the guns in “tough on guns” Chicago come from “easy on guns” Indiana.

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Belafon  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:53:17am

re: #437 Interesting Times

Also this:

So, Sarah, since per capita crime is lower in Chicago than many rural areas, what do you think needs to be done about lawlessness in middle America?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:54:09am

Two high school students in Texas were kicked off their football team on Friday night after they demonstrated during the national anthem to protest racial inequality.

One student, Cedric Ingram-Lewis, 16, raised a fist in the air while the anthem played. The other, Larry McCullough, 18, got down on one knee. In response, their coach told them to hand over their uniforms, The Houston Chronicle reported.

“We had to get our message across: End racial injustice and the oppression of black people,” Mr. Ingram-Lewis said in a phone interview on Sunday.

The coach, Ronnie Mitchem, is the pastor at Victory and Praise Worship Center in Crosby, Tex., and a Marine Corps veteran. In a phone interview on Sunday, he said the teenagers’ demonstration was offensive to people who served in the military.

“I’ve been very patriotic my whole life,” he said. “I believe everybody has a right to protest, and I let those guys do their protests. But the rule was, if you did this protest, you wouldn’t be on the team.”
Continue reading the main story

The two teenagers, who are cousins, decided to demonstrate even though Mr. Mitchem had warned players the day before against protesting, Mr. Ingram-Lewis said. After the anthem, Mr. Mitchem told them to return their uniforms, which they did.

How very Christian of the coach…and so tolerant!

*spit*

(edited to add link to The Houston Chronicle)

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Belafon  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:54:31am

re: #441 A Cranky One

I keep trying to generalize it to my people, but no one’s listening to me!

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Unshaken Defiance  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:54:33am

re: #425 Mike Lamb

If the guy looks like a rich/white guy hunter and tips well the porter is going to say “Thank you sir” as he drops it all off. Hunting is common in Nevada. Hunters might not leave the guns in the truck when visiting Las Vegas.

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danarchy  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:54:55am

re: #431 Mike Lamb

What chowder head said that? No dump truck is injuring 500+ people unless they are tied down.

didn’t a cargo truck in Nice kill 86 and injure almost 500 just last year. Not that that has any actual relevance to this.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:55:13am

re: #441 A Cranky One

On behalf of white people, I’d like to renounce the LV shooter.

Oh wait, nobody has generalized the behavior to all white people and demanded we renounce him.

But I thought RWNJs always demanded that all members of a group renounce? I guess the rules are different if the shooter is white instead of a POC or a non-Christian.

Sigh.

And yes, that’s what is driving the claims that the shooter was ISIS or a Democrat or a member of antifa. Because the RWNJ’s can’t tolerate being put into the same position.

Yeah they are different. And wingnuts never talk about “white on white” crime either even though a plurality of crime is that.

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RiverBoy  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:55:36am

As someone who grew up in very rural Northern California, guns were very much a necessity for some in the area. I myself grew up hunting and today if push came to shove I believe I could safely operate a firearm. All that being said this country has long had a gun problem and like other problems facing this country the powers that be have no ambition to fix the problem. Hell they don’t even want to talk about the problem. I have several family members that would definitely fall in the category of Gun Nut. Trying to have a conversation with them about gun control is akin to spitting in their face. They take everything so personal and are brainwashed that any legislation trying to curb gun sales is tyrannical.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:57:54am

I looked at Dana Loesch’s Twitter feed (*dry heaves*) and she’s RT’ing all the hate messages she gets so that she can play the victim.

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Belafon  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:58:09am

re: #444 Backwoods_Sleuth

How very Christian of the coach…and so tolerant!

*spit*

He wouldn’t have a job if a certain figure from 2000 years ago had worried about how uncomfortable it made others feel.

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plansbandc  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:58:50am

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Belafon  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:58:54am

re: #450 The Vicious Babushka

I looked at Dana Loesch’s Twitter feed (*dry heaves*) and she’s RT’ing all the hate messages she gets so that she can play the victim.

Boo hoo, Dana. Guess what, those tweets aren’t killing you.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:58:58am

re: #450 The Vicious Babushka

I looked at Dana Loesch’s Twitter feed (*dry heaves*) and she’s RT’ing all the hate messages she gets so that she can play the victim.

58 people are dead but let’s not forget the real victim of today. Dana Gunfucker.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:59:29am

re: #453 Belafon

Boo hoo, Dana. Guess what, those tweets aren’t killing you.

She could get off Twitter too but she’s gotta get her victim on.

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jc717  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:59:58am

re: #440 Mike Lamb

That’s just a LOT of hardware to be moving around (particularly when ammo if factored in). I’m not blaming anyone and I don’t expect people to be searching bags.

I guess what I am scared to hear is that he didn’t even hide all the guns—that he just walked in with one over his shoulder and it was ok because 2nd amendment.

People don’t walk around with riffles in Vegas (I’ve never seen it).
Mandalay Bay is an upscale casino resort. Every inch of the property outside of the bathrooms and hotel rooms is covered with security cameras.
He didn’t just waltz in carrying the guns. But, no one will pay any mind to someone bringing in a suitcase or 2, and the maids will respect a ‘do not disturb’ sign.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:00:15pm

re: #451 Belafon

He wouldn’t have a job if a certain figure from 2000 years ago had worried about how uncomfortable it made others feel.

omg…here he is doing his preachifying:

Sunday service with Pastor Ronnie Mitchem ft. Mike Muzzerall

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:01:13pm

re: #444 Backwoods_Sleuth

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How very Christian of the coach…and so tolerant!

*spit*

(edited to add link to The Houston Chronicle)

They made MAGA Jesus cry. But seriously, those two kids are the real patriots.

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Belafon  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:02:12pm

re: #458 Big Beautiful Door

They made MAGA Jesus cry. But seriously, those two kids are the real patriots.

And the real Christians.

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Kragar  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:03:04pm

re: #449 RiverBoy

Got a guy in my office who laments that evil California won’t let him bring his SKS from out of state here to San Diego so he can defend himself from tyranny.

I point out to him that he lives in the fucking suburbs, so his need to own an assault rifle to fend off roving hordes of marauders is negligible at best. As for his fighting tyranny, I ask how his SKS is going to take out a drone or an infantry fight vehicle.

He is not amused.

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alloutofcrazyhere  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:03:12pm

re: #458 Big Beautiful Door

You rang?
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Belafon  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:04:21pm

re: #458 Big Beautiful Door

To no one’s surprise, there’s no difference between MAGA Jesus and MAGNUM Jesus.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:04:31pm

re: #456 jc717

People don’t walk around with riffles in Vegas (I’ve never seen it).
Mandalay Bay is an upscale casino resort. Every inch of the property outside of the bathrooms and hotel rooms is covered with security cameras.
He didn’t just waltz in carrying the guns. But, no one will pay any mind to someone bringing in a suitcase or 2, and the maids will respect a ‘do not disturb’ sign.

One possible reason for staying a couple days before the shooting would be to be able to bring in the guns inconspicuously. Who, in a hotel, pays any attention to people coming and going with luggage?

Now, if somebody comes into an office building with a couple big bags, people will notice. But a hotel? That’s what people do in hotels.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:04:52pm

I thought some of you might appreciate this ad from facebook.

the wall
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Sir John Barron  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:05:34pm

re: #463 Blind Frog Belly White

One possible reason for staying a couple days before the shooting would be to be able to bring in the guns inconspicuously. Who, in a hotel, pays any attention to people coming and going with luggage?

Now, if somebody comes into an office building with a couple big bags, people will notice. But a hotel? That’s what people do in hotels.

But why the stockpile of weapons if he’s only going to use one and off himself when he’s ultimately confronted?

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:06:51pm

re: #465 Sir John Barron

But why the stockpile of weapons if he’s only going to use one and off himself when he’s ultimately confronted?

Because he’s fucking nuts?

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Amory Blaine  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:08:03pm

re: #463 Blind Frog Belly White

When I lived in Vegas I worked at pizza hut as a kid. My buddy came into work with an assault rifle on his shoulder (had been out shooting in the desert) and was fired on the spot. I watched him walk in and I thought oh no this can’t be good. Some customers were visibly upset. This was the 80s.

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:08:37pm

What I don’t get is that the brother has the crazy eyes…

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Sir John Barron  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:09:16pm

re: #444 Backwoods_Sleuth

In a phone interview on Sunday, he said the teenagers’ demonstration was offensive to people who served in the military.

Hurr hurr libtards and snowflakes so sensitive about feelings, so politically correct and

These players kneeling = OFFENSIVE == get ‘em outta here!

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danarchy  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:09:40pm

re: #465 Sir John Barron

But why the stockpile of weapons if he’s only going to use one and off himself when he’s ultimately confronted?

I think these guys are always surprised by how quickly the police react.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:09:46pm

re: #465 Sir John Barron

But why the stockpile of weapons if he’s only going to use one and off himself when he’s ultimately confronted?

Dunno. Perhaps he thought he’d have more time to shoot people before they figured out where he was? Night time, shooting from across the street a hundred or more yards away.

Plus, you’re asking for a rational explanation of the behavior of a guy who just machinegunned a concert full of thousands of people he didn’t know.

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lawhawk  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:09:56pm

For those who would find solace in music, this aint good news either:

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:10:39pm

re: #472 lawhawk

For those who would find solace in music, this aint good news either:

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Damn it. Get well Tom.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:10:49pm

re: #466 Big Beautiful Door

Because he’s fucking nuts?

Much more succinct than mine.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:10:58pm
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jaunte  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:11:30pm

re: #444 Backwoods_Sleuth

The coach, Ronnie Mitchem, is the pastor at Victory and Praise Worship Center in Crosby, Tex., and a Marine Corps veteran. a coward who decided to go with the flow and side with the powerful unstead of setting an example for the young men he influences.

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A Cranky One  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:11:58pm

re: #465 Sir John Barron

But why the stockpile of weapons if he’s only going to use one and off himself when he’s ultimately confronted?

I’m far from an expert, but I’d think the number of rounds you could fire in full auto would be limited by significant heating of the mechanism, leading to possible seizing of the weapon. So I’d guess the delay between the bursts was due to the shooter switching weapons several times rather than simply reloading a single weapon.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:12:24pm

re: #476 jaunte

The coach, Ronnie Mitchem, is the pastor at Victory and Praise Worship Center in Crosby, Tex., and a Marine Corps veteran. a coward who decided to go with the flow and side with the powerful unstead of setting an example for the young men he influences.

Kids will be better off not playing for this dude or going somewhere else. Assuming that’s possible.

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steve_davis  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:12:46pm

re: #148 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus

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there were good people on both sides…..

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Amory Blaine  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:13:24pm

Not playing at all would be better. Violent impacts could destroy their minds.

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plansbandc  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:14:53pm

re: #472 lawhawk

Aw fuck.

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:15:34pm

re: #472 lawhawk

I wish him well. I have always been a huge fan. One of the last people I would have thought he would have a substance abuse problem. Dammit.

washingtonpost.com

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Woods Witch  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:15:49pm

re: #472 lawhawk

Damn

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:15:52pm

re: #472 lawhawk

For those who would find solace in music, this aint good news either:

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Not Tom too. Fuck you 2017.

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BlueGrl21  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:16:36pm

My husband and went to Vegas this weekend. We flew home last night. Missed the attack by about 2 hours.

We walked on that part of the Strip on Sunday. It was packed, always is.

I have nothing profound or political to add. We are safe.

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A Cranky One  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:16:44pm

So SHS said the following at the White House briefing:

“It would be premature for us to discuss policy when we don’t know all the facts or what took place last night.”

Okay, no problem. It’s been a while since the Sandy Hook shooting. Can we finally discuss that now?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:17:26pm

re: #472 lawhawk

Shit.

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Kragar  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:18:16pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:18:19pm

re: #485 BlueGrl21

My husband and went to Vegas this weekend. We flew home last night. Missed the attack by about 2 hours.

We walked on that part of the Strip on Sunday. It was packed, always is.

I have nothing profound or political to add. We are safe.

Glad to hear that.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:20:30pm

Crazy wingnut fuckers can’t stop spamming this fake Twitter account that originated over at PrisonPlanet. Now being spammed by Ms Lama Phobe her very self.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:21:00pm

I’m listening to The Bob Cesca Show after party from Friday.

Bob mentions that Glenn Greenwald blocks people then attacks them on Twitter so he can do it behind their backs, and they can’t reply.

I’m always embarrassed that I was once a fan many, many years ago.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:21:13pm

re: #349 MsJ

I need something positive. This helped.

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Nature is fucking awesome. It has much to teach us.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:21:28pm

re: #419 Backwoods_Sleuth

looks like SHS could use something to stand on, or the podium needs to be shorter.

More people shot dead in LV than killed by illegal immigrants Drumpf likes to cite when he’s reflecting about evil and all that.

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William Lewis  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:21:47pm

OT: Jerb stuff

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Sir John Barron  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:22:05pm

re: #491 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I’m listening to The Bob Cesca Show after party from Friday.

Bob mentions that Glenn Greenwald blocks people then attacks them on Twitter so he can do it behind their backs, and they can’t reply.

I’m always embarrassed that I was once a fan many, many years ago.

Me, too.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:22:12pm

re: #490 The Vicious Babushka

Crazy wingnut fuckers can’t stop spamming this fake Twitter account that originated over at PrisonPlanet. Now being spammed by Ms Lama Phobe her very self.

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Coming from a lady who showed no sympathy at all to the kids in Norway murdered by one of her followers………..Anyhow, anyone who says this is awful but this is literally fake news.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:23:03pm

re: #491 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I’m listening to The Bob Cesca Show after party from Friday.

Bob mentions that Glenn Greenwald blocks people then attacks them on Twitter so he can do it behind their backs, and they can’t reply.

I’m always embarrassed that I was once a fan many, many years ago.

Really? I always knew Greenwald was a pathetic weasel but that’s weasel shit even for him.

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Kragar  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:23:05pm

FBI raiding former Russian compound in San Fransisco

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Sir John Barron  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:23:07pm

re: #488 Kragar

Families are still mourning. Stop, folks.
— Dana Loesch

“I’m not mourning, mind you. But their families are. I have another NRA video to make…”

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makeitstop  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:23:59pm

re: #472 lawhawk

For those who would find solace in music, this aint good news either:

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Damn it. Hang in there, TP.

501
Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:24:41pm

re: #475 Charles Johnson

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:25:31pm

Good grief. Wingnut friend is pushing the bogus claim that the San Juan mayor is trying to make Turmp look bad by witholding supplies using the “call from a cop.”

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:26:23pm

re: #501 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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So many wingnuts live in an alternate universe. It’s insane man.

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plansbandc  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:27:54pm

Update re: Tom Petty on TMZ, no brain activity so they’ve pulled life support. Goddamn it.

505
HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:28:00pm

I hate to sound callous here but many of our fellow Americans are fucking idiots of the very worst kind.

506
HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:28:16pm

re: #504 plansbandc

Update re: Tom Petty on TMZ, no brain activity so they’ve pulled life support. Goddamn it.

Oh goddamn it no.

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Belafon  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:29:10pm

re: #488 Kragar

Dana: Families are still mourning.
Family: My husband was killed. We need gun control.
Dana: She’s too distraught to make sense right now/Gun control wouldn’t have saved her husband/His blood will keep me young forever water the tree of liberty.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:29:20pm

re: #502 HappyWarrior

Good grief. Wingnut friend is pushing the bogus claim that the San Juan mayor is trying to make Turmp look bad by witholding supplies using the “call from a cop.”

You know, it’s fascinating - in a morbid way - to watch the RWNJ’s twist themselves into intellectual knots. Back in the day, the Bolsheviks used to be sorta out there with the stuff they’d spew, but they always recognized it was simply propaganda to manipulate the masses and would privately admit this. Cynical, to be sure, but at least they maintained some level of intellectual honesty about it.

The wingnuts really do seem to believe their own bullshit. It’s grimly fascinating.

509
Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:29:50pm

re: #498 Kragar

INVASION!!111!!!

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:30:12pm

re: #508 Dr Lizardo

You know, it’s fascinating - in a morbid way - to watch the RWNJ’s twist themselves into intellectual knots. Back in the day, the Bolsheviks used to be sorta out there with the stuff they’d spew, but they always recognized it was simply propaganda to manipulate the masses and would privately admit this. Cynical, to be sure, but at least they maintained some level of intellectual honesty about it.

The wingnuts really do seem to believe their own bullshit. It’s grimly fascinating.

My favorite is when another wingnut friend posts memes about liberals not believing in facts when I’ve caught him posting easily debunked bullshit.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:31:37pm

re: #504 plansbandc

Update re: Tom Petty on TMZ, no brain activity so they’ve pulled life support. Goddamn it.

I knew it as soon as they said he was found in full cardiac arrest and not breathing.
The put wealthy people and celebs on life support for a while after they’ve died.

512
Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:32:07pm

re: #504 plansbandc

Update re: Tom Petty on TMZ, no brain activity so they’ve pulled life support. Goddamn it.

Fuck.

Farewell, Mr. Petty. Thank you for years of great music.

513
Woods Witch  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:32:23pm

re: #504 plansbandc

Double damn!

514
Interesting Times  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:32:43pm

Hmmm, what changed? -_-

515
HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:34:04pm

re: #514 Interesting Times

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Hmmm, what changed? -_-

Good old ODS. Behind Republican positions on every issue.

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makeitstop  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:34:13pm

re: #504 plansbandc

Update re: Tom Petty on TMZ, no brain activity so they’ve pulled life support. Goddamn it.

Fuck. FUCK.

517
Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:34:43pm

Bevin shouldn’t be so freaking obvious when he’s kissing up to trump

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:35:32pm

re: #502 HappyWarrior

Good grief. Wingnut friend is pushing the bogus claim that the San Juan mayor is trying to make Turmp look bad by witholding supplies using the “call from a cop.”

Confirmation bias to calm cognitive dissonance. They’re uncomfortable with how poorly the Administration is responding to the devastation, and Trump’s petty bitching at Mayor Cruz. It is at odds with their need to believe he’s the greatest thing since sliced bread.

If someone offers a story, however thinly sourced, that diminishes the cognitive dissonance, they believe it.

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freetoken  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:35:36pm

re: #514 Interesting Times

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Hmmm, what changed? -_-

Brown skin guy rose to prominence?

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Kragar  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:35:39pm
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Ace-o-aces  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:35:51pm
522
William Lewis  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:36:30pm

re: #511 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I knew it as soon as they said he was found in full cardiac arrest and not breathing.
The put wealthy people and celebs on life support for a while after they’ve died.

He’s rich, they’ll get paid so extraordinary measures are called for.

A poor unknown? They’d have called it at the scene and gone straight to the morgue.

On another level, it kinda reminds me of when Entwistle died. A heart attack from coke right as a tour was starting and the guy tried to live like they did in the day. Wonder if Petty pushed this last tour a bit too hard in the end?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:36:59pm

re: #514 Interesting Times

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Hmmm, what changed? -_-

Whoa. That’s pretty fucking stark, isn’t it?

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Stanley Sea  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:37:25pm

re: #472 lawhawk

For those who would find solace in music, this aint good news either:

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FUCK

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:37:50pm

re: #518 Blind Frog Belly White

Confirmation bias to calm cognitive dissonance. They’re uncomfortable with how poorly the Administration is responding to the devastation, and Trump’s petty bitching at Mayor Cruz. It is at odds with their need to believe he’s the greatest thing since sliced bread.

If someone offers a story, however thinly sourced, that diminishes the cognitive dissonance, they believe it.

Yep. We wouldn’t need the scientific method, if clear thought was a natural trait. Instead we have the desire to reduce dissonance and fit in with your tribe.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:39:02pm

re: #525 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Yep. We wouldn’t need the scientific method, if clear thought was a natural trait. Instead we have the desire to reduce dissonance and fit in with your tribe.

Lucky for me that admission into my tribe requires the ability and the tendency to use the scientific method!
//

527
jaunte  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:39:08pm

Nature break


Yesterday from the camera phone, a bee on a commelina communis blossom.
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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:39:28pm

re: #517 Backwoods_Sleuth

Bevin shouldn’t be so freaking obvious when he’s kissing up to trump

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Bevin would kiss Trump’s bare ass onstage if it would help him get votes.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:39:35pm

Hate to say it, but it looks like Tom Petty is no longer with us.

RIP and thanks for some great music.

Tom Petty And The Heartbreakers - I Won’t Back Down

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makeitstop  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:40:35pm

re: #522 William Lewis

He’s rich, they’ll get paid so extraordinary measures are called for.

A poor unknown? They’d have called it at the scene and gone straight to the morgue.

On another level, it kinda reminds me of when Entwistle died. A heart attack from coke right as a tour was starting and the guy tried to live like they did in the day. Wonder if Petty pushed this last tour a bit too hard in the end?

From what I understand, the worst Petty’s done in the past 20 years is smoke some weed. He’s 66 years old, maybe it’s just his time.

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wrenchwench  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:41:15pm

re: #527 jaunte

Nature break

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Yesterday from the camera phone, a bee on a commelina communis blossom.

Commie BEES

532
The Vicious Babushka  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:41:22pm

JFC. All this hyperventilating over an imaginary person who doesn’t even exist.

533
Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:41:22pm

re: #522 William Lewis

He’s rich, they’ll get paid so extraordinary measures are called for.

A poor unknown? They’d have called it at the scene and gone straight to the morgue.

On another level, it kinda reminds me of when Entwistle died. A heart attack from coke right as a tour was starting and the guy tried to live like they did in the day. Wonder if Petty pushed this last tour a bit too hard in the end?

I did not know he was once a heroin addict.
consequenceofsound.net

I’m not finding any references to coke.

534
dangerman  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:41:28pm

re: #215 Belafon

I see no reason automatic weapons should be in the hands of anyone outside the military. Make them illegal with a one year grace period for buybacks from the government. Make any gun that can be modified with a kit to an automatic weapon illegal. No exceptions. You want to keep one to show off, fill it full of concrete.

i dont disagree

535
jaunte  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:41:48pm

re: #531 wrenchwench

The blue flower is an Asian invader!

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Sir John Barron  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:42:04pm

re: #516 makeitstop

Fuck. FUCK.

Not seeing anything on cnn.com yet.

Not doubting the story but wondering when major outlets will pick it up.

537
Jenner7  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:42:22pm

Fuck this day.

I’ve had it.

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William Lewis  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:42:22pm

re: #530 makeitstop

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jaunte  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:42:27pm

Blue infiltrators among the native camphorweed.

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Interesting Times  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:43:09pm
541
The Vicious Babushka  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:44:17pm
542
Kragar  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:44:21pm
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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:46:13pm

the shooter’s bio & etc in as far as we know it doesn’t make any sense as a mass shooter unless you factor in his father which seems like a long shot

i’m wondering if he was only a patsy to cover for some other shooter who escaped w/o a trace

or maybe some traumatic event that we don’t know about yet sent him over the edge a little while ago…

544
steve_davis  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:46:29pm

re: #273 electrotek

Wasn’t Rage Furby’s wife/ex-wife from Indonesia too?

Possible family member of a student of mine. She’s being vague about the connection, understandably, and I’m not pushing.

545
Sir John Barron  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:47:22pm

re: #537 Jenner7

Fuck this day.

I’ve had it.

2016: A year full of bad days

2017: Hold our beer

546
Citizen K  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:47:58pm

re: #543 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

the shooter’s bio & etc in as far as we know it doesn’t make any sense as a mass shooter unless you factor in his father which seems like a long shot

i’m wondering if he was only a patsy to cover for some other shooter who escaped w/o a trace

or maybe some traumatic event that we don’t know about yet sent him over the edge a little while ago…

I hate hazarding a guess like this, but my first thought had to be some kind of recent radicalization of some kind.

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Belafon  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:49:23pm

re: #546 Citizen K

I hate hazarding a guess like this, but my first thought had to be some kind of recent radicalization of some kind.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:49:25pm

Universe, it’s bad enough that it’s Monday. We didn’t need the rest of this crap.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:49:50pm

re: #546 Citizen K

I hate hazarding a guess like this, but my first thought had to be some kind of recent radicalization of some kind.

Then how to explain someone like Charles Whitman? He wasn’t radicalized. He apparently had a small brain tumor, IIRC.

Sometimes the causes of unexpected violence are not what we’d expect.

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wrenchwench  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:54:24pm
551
electrotek  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:55:11pm

Possible shooting at USC campus?

552
A dark and stormy covfefe  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:55:22pm

My first thought this morning was “Maybe I should just leave The Weather Network on all day”. I should have listened to that.

553
Kragar  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:56:20pm

re: #551 electrotek

Police called all clear

554
Interesting Times  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:56:23pm
555
petesh  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:56:32pm

re: #552 A dark and stormy covfefe

My first thought this morning was “Maybe I should just leave The Weather Network on all day”. I should have listened to that.

I hear you. I think I’m unplugging for a while.

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Kragar  Oct 2, 2017 • 12:56:33pm
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HypnoToad  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:00:21pm

re: #546 Citizen K

I hate hazarding a guess like this, but my first thought had to be some kind of recent radicalization of some kind.

Could the reason be as simple as a bad run at the poker table? He seemed to be a regular at the casinos, with reports his room might have been a partial comp because of that. He might have just irrecoverably collapsed his personal empire.

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wheat-dogg  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:00:30pm

re: #273 electrotek

Wasn’t Rage Furby’s wife/ex-wife from Indonesia too?

Yes, and IIRC an Indonesian Christian.

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Kragar  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:01:01pm
560
The Spite House  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:01:13pm

And now Tome Petty’s dead?

wtf

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Citizen K  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:02:29pm

re: #557 HypnoToad

Could the reason be as simple as a bad run at the poker table? He seemed to be a regular at the casinos, with reports his room might have been a partial comp because of that. He might have just irrecoverably collapsed his personal empire.

With as many guns as he apparently had, and the choice of target, this feels far too deliberate and planned for it to be something impulsive as that.

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dangerman  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:02:57pm

courtesy of Political Wire, a sampling of responses to bevin’s idiocy:

“To all those political opportunists who are seizing on the tragedy in Las Vegas to call for more gun regulations… You can’t regulate evil.”

Ari Berman, Twitter: 33,000 gun deaths a year in US
“Don’t talk about guns”
31 cases of voter impersonation since 2000
“Voter fraud!”

Alki - “You can’t regulate evil, but you sure can vote it out of office”

Mel_D “Maybe you can’t regulate evil, but can sure as hell regulate evil’s access to weapons of mass murder”

Clever Thing Later, via twitter - “I missed that part where God tells Moses, “You can’t regulate evil. I don’t know why I’m giving you these ten commandments anyway. Whatevs.”

TheFreakinGorn - “If we could get people to think critically and vote people like Bevin out of office that would be regulating evil.”

Rhysem - “Well, at least he’s admitting that guns are evil… I think.”

exObjectivist - “Of course you can’t regulate evil. But you can regulate the tools of evil.”

doug dash - “Talk to the Australians”

563
Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:03:05pm

re: #560 The Spite House

And now Tome Petty’s dead?

wtf

2016: There’s no possible way I can be one-upped.

2017: Hold my beer.

564
FormerDirtDart  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:06:12pm

OK, after nearly a 4 hour break from the internet I see little has changed or been learned in my absence.
As I suspected.
And, as I predicted much earlier, it is indeed “too soon”

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Kragar  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:06:20pm

Confirmed

566
freetoken  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:06:21pm

re: #560 The Spite House

And now Tome Petty’s dead?

wtf

Unusually for Wikipedia, his Wiki entry hasn’t been changed yet.

567
makeitstop  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:07:51pm

CBS is reporting Tom Petty is gone.

God damn it.

568
Belafon  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:08:33pm

re: #563 Targetpractice

2016: There’s no possible way I can be one-upped.

2017: Hold my beer.

This will be a constant feature from now on. People aren’t dying at any faster rate than before. We just know a whole lot of people by name now that we never knew before. TV and radio have made sure of that. That coincides with the fact that there are a huge number of boomers, and we’re getting into the time when they’re going to start dying.

569
BeachDem  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:09:44pm

re: #562 dangerman

courtesy of Political Wire, a sampling of responses to bevin’s idiocy:

Ari Berman, Twitter: 33,000 gun deaths a year in US
“Don’t talk about guns”
31 cases of voter impersonation since 2000
“Voter fraud!”

Alki - “You can’t regulate evil, but you sure can vote it out of office”

Mel_D “Maybe you can’t regulate evil, but can sure as hell regulate evil’s access to weapons of mass murder”

Clever Thing Later, via twitter - “I missed that part where God tells Moses, “You can’t regulate evil. I don’t know why I’m giving you these ten commandments anyway. Whatevs.”

TheFreakinGorn - “If we could get people to think critically and vote people like Bevin out of office that would be regulating evil.”

Rhysem - “Well, at least he’s admitting that guns are evil… I think.”

exObjectivist - “Of course you can’t regulate evil. But you can regulate the tools of evil.”

doug dash - “Talk to the Australians”

Ah, but the yam says you can BANISH evil. (and apparently anyone who isn’t American who has been hurt, wounded or lost will not be in his and Melon’s prayers.)

“Melania and I are praying for every American who has been hurt, wounded or lost the ones they loved so dearly in this terrible, terrible attack,” he said. “We pray for the entire nation to find unity and peace, and we pray for the day when evil is banished, and the innocent are safe from hatred and from fear.”

WTF would “banishing” evil involve?

I’m so sick of all this shit.

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Belafon  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:09:54pm

re: #566 freetoken

It’s now updated. Not me.

571
Sir John Barron  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:10:15pm

re: #559 Kragar

When you lose Paul Joseph Watson..

572
Skip Intro  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:10:38pm

re: #571 Sir John Barron

When you lose Paul Joseph Watson..

It won’t be for long.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:10:44pm

re: #566 freetoken

Unusually for Wikipedia, his Wiki entry hasn’t been changed yet.

Actually, it was briefly changed - I guess it was un-edited until his passing was confirmed.

RIP.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:11:30pm

Bill O’Reilly Calls Las Vegas Massacre ‘The Price of Freedom’

Former Fox News host Bill O’Reilly wrote a blog post on Monday where he said that last night’s mass shooting is part of the price Americans pay for living in a free country.

The shooting in Las Vegas has been established as the country’s worst mass casualty event since the 9/11 terror attacks. O’Reilly went over the details behind the attack on the country music festival, calling it a “gruesome display” of “the big downside of American freedom.”

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Sir John Barron  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:11:39pm

re: #563 Targetpractice

2016: There’s no possible way I can be one-upped.

2017: Hold my beer.

Two days in and October 2017 is already bringing the pain to unprecedented levels.

My birthday month, too.

576
HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:12:46pm

re: #574 Amory Blaine

Bill O’Reilly Calls Las Vegas Massacre ‘The Price of Freedom’

JFC. Biggest mass shooting in US history and he says this? What a tone deaf dickface.

577
Sir John Barron  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:12:52pm

re: #574 Amory Blaine

Bill O’Reilly Calls Las Vegas Massacre ‘The Price of Freedom’

An illegal immigrant kills one person and A WALL MUST BE BUILT.

58 die in one gun shooting and ‘meh’.

578
Kragar  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:13:07pm
579
makeitstop  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:13:54pm

re: #568 Belafon

This will be a constant feature from now on. People aren’t dying at any faster rate than before. We just know a whole lot of people by name now that we never knew before. TV and radio have made sure of that. That coincides with the fact that there are a huge number of boomers, and we’re getting into the time when they’re going to start dying.

That’s true. Sure doesn’t make it any easier, though.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:14:04pm

re: #574 Amory Blaine

Bill O’Reilly Calls Las Vegas Massacre ‘The Price of Freedom’

C’mon, Bill. The shooter was antifa. Pam Geller says so. She has file photo.

///

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:14:44pm

I have to admit, I have been deliberately ignoring all of this since I first read the headline (which didn’t even have a casualty count) early this morning. I’m sorry; it’s not that I want to be ignorant of current events, but I literally just cannot even right now. It’s too much; it’s emotional overload. I hope things are going well for the Lizardim out there this thunderous evening.

582
Citizen K  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:15:41pm

I think I’m tuning out for the rest of the day. I need to find some kind of upper before I just crash badly.

583
dangerman  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:16:08pm

re: #574 Amory Blaine

Bill O’Reilly Calls Las Vegas Massacre ‘The Price of Freedom’

if las vegas is the price the rest of us pay for freedom vis a vis the 2A

then bill oreilly is the price we pay for the 1A

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Belafon  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:16:13pm

re: #574 Amory Blaine

Bill O’Reilly Calls Las Vegas Massacre ‘The Price of Freedom’

That’s flawed thinking, that this is the price of freedom. Taxes are the price of freedom. Deaths are the price of giving in to our dark side, which is the opposite of freedom.

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dangerman  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:16:21pm

re: #575 Sir John Barron

Two days in and October 2017 is already bringing the pain to unprecedented levels.

My birthday month, too.

ditto

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freetoken  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:16:29pm

The only existential threat the US faces is itself.

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ipsos  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:17:10pm

I am completely out of emotions right now.

These last few weeks have given us all too much to feel, too many victims to try to feel for as one tragedy piles on another, all set against a bright orange leadership vacuum.

I’m going to bed. I know it’s 4 in the afternoon, but I’m just empty.

588
MsJ  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:17:31pm

re: #578 Kragar

Read the responses. It’s a fascinating discussion about empathy and the inability to understand anything until it affects you personally…and those being chastised for bringing that up.

Sorry, not sorry, after dozens of kids being killed - if that didn’t get to you, you don’t just lack empathy, you’re a sociopath. Great, you found “god” when it personally affected you but you can’t muster anything before that?

Gah. Americans. My fellow countrymen are fucking killing what is left of my fucking spirit.

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Kragar  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:17:35pm
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dangerman  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:18:30pm

re: #578 Kragar

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the sentiment is fine.

this is basically, “change the rules, cause now it affects me”

otherwise never woulda happened

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Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:19:18pm

re: #574 Amory Blaine

Bill O’Reilly Calls Las Vegas Massacre ‘The Price of Freedom’

Much like war & taxes, Bill is happy to pay that price with other people’s blood.

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Romantic Heretic  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:19:26pm

re: #503 HappyWarrior

So many wingnuts live in an alternate universe. It’s insane man.

But far more comfortable, and controllable, than reality.

In delusion the rules are clear and understood. Real life is full of surprises and beyond most people’s power to affect to any significant degree.

It’s very sad.

593
Dr Lizardo  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:19:33pm

Well, this has been a hell of a Monday. Good night, Lizards.

594
electrotek  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:20:26pm

Right wingers talk about the need to ‘reform’ Islam but freak out over any consideration towards the 2nd Amendment.

595
GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:20:33pm

What the fuck CNN?! Yeah we know EXACTLY what you’re saying with this headline.

596
danarchy  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:20:54pm

re: #578 Kragar

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You can be a supporter of the second amendment and still support sane gun control. The two are not mutually exclusive.

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dangerman  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:21:10pm

re: #588 MsJ

re: #590 dangerman

you said it better

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:21:42pm

re: #594 electrotek

Right wingers talk about the need to ‘reform’ Islam but freak out over any consideration towards the 2nd Amendment.

Did you see the graph about how they became gun nuts when Obama was elected? They are preparing for the coming race war.

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:22:27pm

re: #559 Kragar

600
Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:22:43pm

re: #596 danarchy

You can be a supporter of the second amendment and still support sane gun control. The two are not mutually exclusive.

The gun-nuts all need to finish this sentence: It’s unacceptable to take guns away from violent, unstable, people because…

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William Lewis  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:22:51pm

re: #596 danarchy

You can be a supporter of the second amendment and still support sane gun control. The two are not mutually exclusive.

There is nothing in, say, the Czech Republic’s gun laws that would be inconsistent with the 2nd amendment for example.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:24:10pm

re: #600 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

The gun-nuts all need to finish this sentence: It’s unacceptable to take guns away from violent, unstable, people because…

And 99% of them, coached by the NRA, would say: SLIPPERY SLOPE!!!!!

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electrotek  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:25:02pm

re: #598 Big Beautiful Door

Did you see the graph about how they became gun nuts when Obama was elected? They are preparing for the coming race war.

Where at?

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Belafon  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:25:11pm

Can you imagine what both the concert area and the hotel would look like if we didn’t regulate rocket launchers?

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Targetpractice  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:25:12pm

In America in 2017, you need to pass through greater scrutiny and wait longer to vote for a politician than you do to buy a gun.

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A dark and stormy covfefe  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:25:22pm

re: #600 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

They’re either in column A) or column B).

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Interesting Times  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:25:27pm

How far are we from the even bigger nightmare scenario described here? (and more importantly, anything at all that could be done to control it…?)

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MsJ  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:26:51pm

sigh

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:26:55pm
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Belafon  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:28:16pm

re: #607 Interesting Times

That’s going to change things, not make it impossible to regulate them.

But it does point to our ultimate problem, that a people worshipping guns will cause great damage. And it’s not us liberals doing it.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:28:20pm
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EPR-radar  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:28:48pm

re: #574 Amory Blaine

Fuck that “price of freedom noise” ten thousand times with an anthrax-tainted nail bat.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:30:46pm
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Romantic Heretic  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:31:34pm

re: #574 Amory Blaine

So a wingnut came out and admitted it. The Tree of Liberty is watered with blood.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:32:08pm

re: #613 FormerDirtDart

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Fuck off Pat. Just fuck off.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:32:11pm

re: #603 electrotek

Where at?

Comment #514

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sagehen  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:33:15pm

re: #502 HappyWarrior

Good grief. Wingnut friend is pushing the bogus claim that the San Juan mayor is trying to make Turmp look bad by witholding supplies using the “call from a cop.”

Did you try to explain that this is physically not possible? That the only telephones in San Juan are sat-phones, and there’s no radio stations broadcasting?

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Sir John Barron  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:33:43pm

re: #613 FormerDirtDart

Knew we weren’t going to get through this day without someone saying this.

But y’all stop politicizing the mass shooting with your gun control questions. /

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EPR-radar  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:34:16pm

re: #613 FormerDirtDart

Wingnuts have a lot of nerve trying the “it’s too soon to talk about this” crap while their own bigoted fuckwits are notorious for instantaneous projection of their prejudices on the news of the day, including all notorious mass shootings and even 9/11 itself.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:34:55pm

re: #602 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

And 99% of them, coached by the NRA, would say: SLIPPERY SLOPE!!!!!

Better get rid of circumcision if that’s our concern.

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danarchy  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:35:25pm

re: #607 Interesting Times

How far are we from the even bigger nightmare scenario described here? (and more importantly, anything at all that could be done to control it…?)

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Current consumer level 3d printed guns are little more than glorified zip guns. The plastics will fail after a couple shots. Although certain parts like a lower receiver can already be printed. However, if laser sintering 3D metal printers hit the consumer market then yeah, the cats out of the bag.

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Romantic Heretic  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:35:44pm

re: #594 electrotek

To steal from Jim Jefferies.

You cannot change the 2nd Amendment!!!

Yes, you can. It’s an amendment

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:36:03pm

re: #576 HappyWarrior

JFC. Biggest mass shooting in US history and he says this? What a tone deaf dickface.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:36:20pm

re: #607 Interesting Times

How far are we from the even bigger nightmare scenario described here? (and more importantly, anything at all that could be done to control it…?)

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so we just throw up our hands, give up, and wait for somebody to shoot us on the highway, or at the grocery store, or whatever and just blame it on god’s will and bask in the solace of empty thoughts and prayers…

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ObserverArt  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:36:42pm

re: #371 HappyWarrior

Because Chicago isn’t near gun friendly Indiana. Man I’m so sick of them always ragging on Chicago just because it’s Hillary and Obama’s home city.

It isn’t just their home cities. It is also a city with a large African American population. I’d say that weighs into its use as a political football more than Clinton and Obama.

This has been the #1 go-to-city to argue about guns for three decades or more. It is racist now as it has always been.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:38:18pm

re: #613 FormerDirtDart

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Pat’s the original wingnut. When I was a kid, I saw his 700 Club show news items, then Pat and some old lady with badly done makeup would entirely misinterpret it for a delusional audience. He was decades ahead of Fox.

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Romantic Heretic  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:39:40pm

re: #600 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

The gun-nuts all need to finish this sentence: It’s unacceptable to take guns away from violent, unstable, people because…

I am one of those violent, unstable people and you can’t take away my safety blanket/penis substitute!!

But they’ll never say that because as dishonest they are towards others they are even more dishonest with themselves.

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ObserverArt  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:44:53pm

re: #375 Dr Lizardo

Terrorism implies, at least for me, some overarching political or ideological goal that the terrorist seeks to achieve. So far, there’s nothing out there to suggest Paddock had any sort of goal - his motive is entirely unknown thus far, and may well forever remain so unless investigators can unearth some evidence.

He certainly had a goal. Killing a lot of Americans at a country western concert. He decided they need to die, just as Roof did. For what reason is not clear.

To me deciding to kill a group of people makes it political. He was making a political decision of death for a group of people he disagreed with for some reason. Just as a judge makes a death sentence.

Even if it is mental, it is still one man deciding for others. We say Trump is mental and he is president. Roof could have been a mental case too…killing people is not normal human activity.

We may never know the details of his thinking, but 600+ people (or more) were affected. That is a small community. He made a decision for those people. That is political, just as a mayor of a small community makes a decision.

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EPR-radar  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:51:19pm

re: #628 ObserverArt

He certainly had a goal. Killing a lot of Americans at a country western concert people. …

Realistically, that’s all we know at this time, and it’s just not reasonable to view that as being political.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:51:42pm

re: #559 Kragar

Yeah, only PrisonPlanet is allowed to make up fake news, like the “Leftist teacher” bullshit.

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BeachDem  Oct 2, 2017 • 1:57:20pm

re: #613 FormerDirtDart

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The fact that vile Pat Robertson is still around to run his vulgar mouth is proof enough for me that god does not exist.
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SpikeDad  Oct 2, 2017 • 2:12:41pm

No one has considered the theory that Trump paid this guy to kill people in order to distract from his awful responses to the US weather disasters. /s

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Jay C  Oct 2, 2017 • 2:23:07pm

re: #632 SpikeDad

No one has considered the theory that Trump paid this guy to kill people in order to distract from his awful responses to the US weather disasters. /s

And most likely for a very good reason……

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