Traveling Wilburys - End Of The Line

I had the biggest shit-eating grin on my face when I saw Tom Petty play “Blue Suede Shoes” at Red Rocks all those years ago.

— Charlie Vogel (@teleskiguy) October 2, 2017

When I was in the 3rd grade I would come home from school and before my parents got home I’d blast “Runnin’ Down A Dream.” Did that a lot.

— Charlie Vogel (@teleskiguy) October 2, 2017

I would do the same a few years later with Nirvana’s “Smells Like Teen Spirit.”

Jeff Lynne and Bob Dylan, the only two Traveling Wilburys left. Damn. #RIPTomPetty

— Charlie Vogel (@teleskiguy) October 2, 2017

Tom Petty should have lived as long as Chuck Berry.

— Charlie Vogel (@teleskiguy) October 3, 2017

#NowPlaying Tom Petty And The Heartbreakers > Playback > I’m Tired Joey Boy (Live) https://t.co/FxLsKPvSw6

— Charlie Vogel (@teleskiguy) August 12, 2017

Pulled a CL:

Is it just me, or does the Republican Party simply exist to defend the indefensible, attack the truth, and deny the inalienable rights of Americans who are female and/or black and brown?

the shooter’s bio doesn’t match up w the crime

i just don’t buy it

This is harder on me than when David Bowie died. I’m broke up about it. Tom Petty has been a part of my music since I was very young. I can still remember when my parents took me to Gart Bros. in Vail to buy me skis when I was six or seven, and the shop guys were playing a vinyl version of The Heartbreakers debut album. I loved it! And the shop guys love it, too, this little kid (me) getting down to “Anything That’s Rock ‘N’ Roll.”

Facebook apparently blew it again:

Facebook Safety Check Pushed Funny Video Links and Bitcoin Donations after Las Vegas Massacre (goes to Daily Beast)

Top 3 news links in Facebook’s safety check are:
—mytvtoday(.)com, asking for Bitcoin donations
—theantimedia(.)org running a republished ZeroHedge article by “Tyler Durden”
—dennismichaellynch(.)com, selling bumper stickers pic.twitter.com/liF8wMQTdJ

— Ben Collins (@oneunderscore__) October 2, 2017

re: #5 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

the shooter’s bio doesn’t match up w the crime

i just don’t buy it

We’re at Day One after. It’s going to take a long time - perhaps years - to figure out exactly what happened.

Jeff Lynne and Bob Dylan abide.

Tom Petty And The Heartbreakers - Mary Jane’s Last Dance

Johnny Depp, Faye Dunaway et al in this vid.

A classic.

Woke up this morning to see the terror in Las Vegas and going to bed right after seeing the CNN blurb that Tom Petty passed over the rainbow bridge.

But then seeing Jimmy Kimmel’s clip where he is standing up to the NRA gave me hope to keep on going…

for me no loss of a musician has ever hurt as much as john lennon getting shot in 1980

#NowPlaying Tom Petty > Wildflowers > A Higher Place https://t.co/Vpbhn7Rj5u

— Charlie Vogel (@teleskiguy) October 2, 2017

The Las Vegas massacre started just about 24 hours ago right now, 10:16 PM local time. Events move so fast anymore.

re: #13 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

for me no loss of a musician has ever hurt as much as john lennon getting shot in 1980

For me it was the death of Chris Squire of Yes.

Yes was my first introduction to popular music, when I was eleven. (At the time I was living with my grandparents, and they did everything they could to prevent me from hearing modern music.) My mother took me to a presentation at Abrams Planetarium at Michigan State where they were putting on a show based on an Issac Asimov short story, and Yes was the music backing the presentation.

re: #13 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

Chris Cornell for me. Still can’t believe he is gone.

re: #13 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

for me no loss of a musician has ever hurt as much as john lennon getting shot in 1980

Agreed that that was a short, sharp, shock.

But now we are getting to the sometimes natural and sometimes unnatural death of icons who touched us deeply. It hurts. And it should hurt.

They’re getting old, as are we.

Time wounds all heels.

re: #13 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

for me no loss of a musician has ever hurt as much as john lennon getting shot in 1980

The first one I really remember hurting was Kurt Cobain.

re: #17 Kragar

Chris Cornell for me. Still can’t believe he is gone.

Though I was young, Kurt Cobain tore me the fuck up.

Chris Cornell. I’m with you there. Most heartbreaking.

re: #20 teleskiguy

Chris Cornell - Wave Goodbye (Euphoria Morning)

re: #21 Kragar

#NowPlaying Chris Cornell > Singles - Original Motion Picture Soundtrack > Seasons https://t.co/66WFKv6Qzy

— Charlie Vogel (@teleskiguy) May 22, 2017

Yes - Chris Squire - The Fish - Live at Ikeda Theater (2014) HD

Trevor Responds to the Las Vegas Shooting & Trump Tweets the Weekend Away: The Daily Show

Thanos linked over in the right-hand column to an article where Sen. Ben Sasse went after Richard Spencer.

littlegreenfootballs.com

The thread (well, Ben Sasse doesn’t do threads) of Sen. Sasse’s tweets is funny. They got into a name-calling contest.

Too bad my senator doesn’t abandon the guy at the top of his party that supports Spencer and retweets his crap.

So the “pro-life” House will pass an abortion ban tomorrow after failing to address gun violence & letting 9 million kids’ insurance expire.

— Laura Bassett (@LEBassett) October 2, 2017

Twitter Mourns Rock Legend: ‘Tom Petty Died Twice in One Day Because He’s F**king Tom Petty’ https://t.co/OKDEosWhfx pic.twitter.com/iiDtItvLCc

— Mediaite (@Mediaite) October 3, 2017

re: #27 The Spite House

Tom Petty died twice in one day because he’s fucking Tom Petty

— Matt Oswalt (@MattOswaltVA) October 3, 2017

Hobby Time! Getting ready for a tournament coming up in a few weeks. pic.twitter.com/zC7odcSeCb

— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) October 3, 2017

I’m going to throw this in here for no particular reason except that this is a ridiculous difficult piece of music to play live and they absolutely pull it off. Steve Howe is a monster guitarist.

Yes - Close To The Edge Live 1975 (HD) - A Celebration 2DVD set

Ran across a wingnut YouTube video putting partial blame on Prof. Richard Dawkins for last night’s shooting in Las Vegas, claiming he was making fun of it. The video didn’t actually show a clip of Prof. Dawkins doing this, or even a transcript of what he supposedly said.

He then leaps to the claim that this is problem with atheists, that we have no empathy or compassion.

I’ll skip the part where I put a link to this chowderhead’s video.

re: #30 austin_blue

“Close to the Edge” was the second album I ever bought (“Fragile” was the first), from saved paper route money. Had to hide them, my grandmother would have tossed them.

I played both very low at night on a cheap record player I had. (I have since replaced the LPs many times for wearing them out. Now we have things like mp3 and CDs and my wife really hates it when I play “Close to the Edge” in the car and sing along to all the verses… .)

#NowPlaying Yes > Close To The Edge > Siberian Khatru https://t.co/12udxjSaSs

— Charlie Vogel (@teleskiguy) March 16, 2017

That’s so sad and pathetic, Joe, that you actually think that’s a “great response,” instead of apologizing for your massive screwup.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) October 3, 2017

You know, I actually think you may be even slower-witted than your brother. I didn’t think it was possible! Dim Jim and Slow Joe.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) October 3, 2017

And remember, Joe - you may have trouble with simple logical thoughts, but the internet never forgets! pic.twitter.com/FJ14XpUzQh

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) October 3, 2017

@Green_Footballs dude you are scary your hate for good honest Americans is shocking. Come back to the light and save your soul. https://t.co/0Gp2tL5Ysc

— Joe Hoft (@joehoft) October 3, 2017

Get a load of this freaking moron. “Your hate for good honest Americans!”

re: #35 Charles Johnson

Who could have guessed the stupidest man on the internet was the smart one? pic.twitter.com/gO5HsFDaz0

— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) October 3, 2017

re: #35 Charles Johnson

Charles has been overtaken by the dark forces of Cthulhu for some time now. You are slow! Slow Joe! pic.twitter.com/WsozC0a3m0

— Charlie Vogel (@teleskiguy) October 3, 2017

re: #36 Charles Johnson

“Good” and “honest”

Two words no one with half a brain uses to describe a Hoft

— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) October 3, 2017

re: #33 teleskiguy

Busy playing “Fragile” over here… .

open.spotify.com

re: #36 Charles Johnson

Get a load of this freaking moron. “Your hate for good honest Americans!”

Have we ever seen this Joe with Jim in the same room at the same time?

re: #31 Anymouse 🌹

Ran across a wingnut YouTube video putting partial blame on Prof. Richard Dawkins for last night’s shooting in Las Vegas, claiming he was making fun of it. The video didn’t actually show a clip of Prof. Dawkins doing this, or even a transcript of what he supposedly said.

He then leaps to the claim that this is problem with atheists, that we have no empathy or compassion.

I’ll skip the part where I put a link to this chowderhead’s video.

Think this is the tweet that has conservative “media” all up in arms:

Durn tootin’, great shootin’. Cool dude sertin’ he’s 2nd Mendment rahts. Hell yeah!
Every country has its psychopaths. In US they have guns

— Richard Dawkins (@RichardDawkins) October 2, 2017

re: #42 danarchy

Think this is the tweet that has conservative “media” all up in arms:

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Prof. Dawkins isn’t wrong.

NEW: A roaming gambler retired near the Vegas music scene he loved - then shattered it for everyone. w/@thewanreport https://t.co/jJc3FZsQGd

— Aaron C. Davis (@byaaroncdavis) October 2, 2017

They made a domestic terrorist into the protagonist from a Kenny Rogers song in less than 12 hours. Amazing. The media are complicit. https://t.co/LLH2NcErXJ

— April (@ReignOfApril) October 2, 2017

I always preferred the triple album Yessongs to the movie. I guess they must have overdubbed the bejeebers out of the recordings because I’ve never seen a performance of any of those songs that match those in Yessongs. I happen to think that Steve Howe sounds horrible in that Close to the Edge video. Not only did they screw up the beginning of the song, he sounds out of tune many times.
But everybody’s a critic

First “Artist” in the World and First “Critic”

And this little bit of hellish whiplash just for grins:

I’ve Seen All Good People ~ Yes ~ Yessongs [1972]

I remember my first taste of FM music, when I heard the full length version of Roundabout for the first time, and then I started finding out that lots of songs were longer than I thought.

re: #43 Anymouse 🌹

Prof. Dawkins isn’t wrong.

Although his attempt at “American” dialect is setting my teeth on edge.

Long day, just got back. At this rate, I”m going to need the entire vacation to recuperate from planning it.

re: #46 austin_blue

“Playback on other Websites has been disabled by the video owner.”

re: #47 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

I remember my first taste of FM music, when I heard the full length version of Roundabout for the first time, and then I started finding out that lots of songs were longer than I thought.

I think I was 12 or 13 when one night I heard on the classic rock radio station in Vail the uncut version of “Starship Trooper.” I was totally like, “Whoa, dude!” I’ve enjoyed Yes’s music ever since.

re: #49 Anymouse 🌹

You can still watch it on YouTube.

After the Close to the Edge video ended, the choices were:
Sacrifice by Elton John
Rodney Dangerfield on Johnny Carson
It’s Raining Again by Roger Hodgson
and the Red Rain Video from the other night.

re: #50 teleskiguy

The ones that really hooked me were My Generation from Live at Leeds, Us and Them by Pink Floyd, Green Grass and High Tides (the Outlaws) , Oh Well (Fleetwood Mac)

The first five CDs I bought were Yessongs, Then Play On (Fleetwood Mac), Waiting for Columbus (Little Feat), Burgers (Hot Tuna), and Bursting Out by Jethro Tull

re: #50 teleskiguy

I think I was 12 or 13 when one night I heard on the classic rock radio station in Vail the uncut version of “Starship Trooper.” I was totally like, “Whoa, dude!” I’ve enjoyed Yes’s music ever since.

Once when I was on desk watch in the middle of the night at NAS Oceana, I called into rock station WNOR, the DJ of which at the time asked for requests.

I asked him to play “Close to the Edge,” and he said “why not?” He put the song on a few minutes after I called in.

And I am off for the rack.

Oh, by the way, Yes got me into listening to classical music, which became a touchstone to my life. My Da was a blues and jazz nerd, and I was in the upper single digits when the Beatles were on Ed Sullivan.

I read an article around ‘71 where the band was interviewed about their influences and they talked about old composers. I went to the library and borrowed records. My parents thought I was nuts, but dad had come back with this monstrous Sony stereo system after his 1st deployment to the Nam and I was blasting Mahler and Beethoven and rolling on the living room floor in ecstasy.

You never know what floats your boat until you find your kink.

re: #56 austin_blue

My father would have been a Youtube addict.

Hmm. I was locked out of LGF … did the site go down for a short time? Nevertheless, y’all are stuck with me for a little while again.

John Oliver on forensic evidence yesterday:

Forensic Science: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)

Conan Addresses The Las Vegas Shooting - CONAN on TBS

Americans frustrated over #LasVegas shooting call for tighter gun laws. 59 people die in the incident, the worst mass shooting in US history pic.twitter.com/sf7T1erOJN

— China Xinhua News (@XHNews) October 3, 2017

re: #60 Cheechako

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re: #62 Anymouse 🌹

re: #62 Anymouse 🌹

Thanks. I really didn’t know and didn’t want to make it a big deal if it was untrue.

Could America’s Socialists become the Tea Party of the left? https://t.co/rWPCZoV4tL pic.twitter.com/P5onXZLsQU

— POLITICO (@politico) October 3, 2017

A bunch of assholes who turn a major political party into a feeble joke?

God knows they’re trying https://t.co/Es6f2dovaW

— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) October 3, 2017

re: #64 Cheechako

Thanks. I really didn’t know and didn’t want to make it a big deal if it was untrue.

That’s what I’m here for (:: Well, that and the good conversation, interesting people, informative takes on the news of the day, Mr. Johnson’s finds of amazing musical performances, &c.

re: #65 Kragar

I don’t know about the rest of the country, but here we certainly aren’t the “Tea Party of the Left,” never mind that the Tea Party was a Koch financed astroturf organisation on the right.

A bunch of assholes who turn hijack a major political party and turn our country into a feeble joke?

God knows they’re trying

Concerning the differing first and middle names on the marriage certificate, it would seem that even in easy-to-marry Nevada that would get caught. Nevada law requires the following to get a marriage certificate:

Identification to prove your name and age is required. Please be prepared. Per Nevada law, we may issue a marriage license to couples with acceptable identification. Go to acceptable identification for specific information on forms of identification.

clarkcountynv.gov

Presumably acceptable identification would require the same first and middle names. I suppose you could use a fake ID, but that risks a lot if you’re caught doing it.

Holy crap, the commentary to this tweet. Twitter still doing its absolute best (nothing) about conversations on Twitter.

The shooter had 19 guns. In the U.S., 3% of the population own 50% of the guns, roughly 130 million guns.

— Jennifer Hayden (@Scout_Finch) October 2, 2017

re: #70 Anymouse 🌹

The shooter had 19 guns. In the U.S., 3% of the population own 50% of the guns, roughly 130 million guns.

And those 130 million guns are all that stand between us and Government Tyranny.

/

If you’re hoarding cats, they call you crazy (even if you are taking proper care of them).

If you’re hoarding guns, you’re somehow a patriot (right up until you aren’t, then the wingnuts never heard of you, claim you’re a liberal Muslim commie atheist America hater).

I was a junior in high school when the Columbine massacre took place, which was just 100 miles to the east, more or less. Columbine was everywhere where I was, for years. I’m acutely aware of gun massacres.

Then the Aurora theater shooting.

On and on.

I don’t want to list them.

I’m fucking numb. I am fucking numb to this shit.

It breaks my heart every time. I’m running out of tears.

When a single psycho with modified assault rifles can kill 60 and send another 500 to the hospital, the society in which that happened has crossed some kind of evil line. I fear a snowball effect.

re: #74 teleskiguy

When a single psycho with modified assault rifles can kill 60 and send another 500 to the hospital, the society in which that happened has crossed some kind of evil line. I fear a snowball effect.

Not doing anything to try to reduce such tragedies going forward is absolute evil, and the NRA and Republican party both partake deeply of this evil.

re: #75 EPR-radar

Not doing anything to try to reduce such tragedies going forward is absolute evil, and the NRA and Republican party both partake deeply of this evil.

I hear people supporting Trump’s Muslim ban saying that there are 50,000,000 Muslims worldwide ready to kill for Jihad.

How many angry white loser guys do we have out there in America alone?

Um, does anyone know about this? Sounds…enticing.

Steven Seagal, I challenge you One on one, I use boxing you can use whatever. 10 rounds in Vegas pic.twitter.com/tTy7Qo4zHF

— George Foreman (@GeorgeForeman) October 2, 2017

This is what politicising violence looks like:

Miami police union head exploits Las Vegas massacre to bash NFL anthem protesters https://t.co/z92EBfu9wM

— Raw Story (@RawStory) October 2, 2017

because kneeling during the SSB and shooting people randomly from a balcony are all but one and the same thing…

Now I’m going to be sad all day, again.

Rest in peace.

Read a comment elsewhere that perhaps a grassroot movement should be started, similar to those started for war memorials, for a monument to the victims of gun violence. Something similar to the Vietnam Veterans Memorial, where people’s names are added.

It wouldn’t have to be in Washington (not likely to be approved by the GOP anyway). Any state that would be willing to host it would be fine.

Perhaps hire the guy who designed the wall to do that. Put a physical reminder in place that allows people who are related to grieve, others to learn, and wingnuts cannot escape its existence.

(The only problem I see with it is wingnuts vandalising it or trying to destroy it.)

Politico is reporting the silencer/armour-piercing bullet/take CCW guns across state lines bill is stalled in the House now, with many Republicans saying that the tragedy in Las Vegas is too political a climate in which to bring up the bill.

“The SHARE Act was supposed to be about making it easier to hunt wildlife. The gun provisions inserted in the bill at the direction of the NRA to deregulate silencers and armor-piercing ammunition make it easier to hunt people,” said Arizona Rep. Raúl Grijalva, top Democrat on the Natural Resources Committee, in a statement. “There’s a lot we need to do in the wake of this mass shooting. We don’t need to make it easier to get hold of items that could make mass casualty events even more deadly.”

Grijalva and Michigan Rep. John Conyers, ranking Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee, sent a letter to Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) Monday asking him to pull the gun silencer bill from the House calendar indefinitely.

politico.com

You know what to do.

My twitter account was suspended recently because I said ‘Islam was a death cult’. Well I am back now, and Islam is still a death cult.

— Gerard Batten MEP (@GerardBattenMEP) October 3, 2017

Also please report this one. You can choose whether for hate or for targeted harassment.

re: #84 Nyet

Also please report this one. You can choose whether for hate or for targeted harassment.

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re: #78 Anymouse 🌹

This is what politicising violence looks like:

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Just an idiot. I guess it will take some time for these idiots to figure out that Black people can peacefully protest whenever and however they want. No amount of yacking will stop that.

re: #84 Nyet

re: #85 The Vicious Babushka

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Well, I put out my monthly flag observance note to the county as Flag Committee Chair in my village.

Despite conservative claims, they don’t own the flag. My monthly notations are apolitical though (as they should be for this), and somewhat bland (noting the laws in question that set forth the various flag observances every month). This month there are three (somewhat long):

re: #39 Kragar

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Does anyone think for an instant that SMOTI would have posted the mistaken identity if the guy’s bio was all about MAGA and Hannity? Honest my ass.

re: #90 Mike Lamb

Does anyone think for an instant that SMOTI would have posted the mistaken identity if the guy’s bio was all about MAGA and Hannity? Honest my ass.

I wonder if the guy is for real. Jim Hoft has never mentioned a twin brother, and suddenly this guy pops out of nowhere to attack Mr. Johnson here.

It seems like a similar ploy to the Malik Obama account he apparently controls (though Malik Obama is a real person).

re: #78 Anymouse 🌹

Are all heads of police unions douche bags?

re: #92 Mike Lamb

Are all heads of police unions douche bags?

Well, I wouldn’t say all, but the vile ones get all the press. I imagine there are plenty of police union leaders who are only concerned with ensuring their union members’ rights and such. The loudmouths seem to bask in attention, even negative attention (a city can’t fire a police union head for example, although the union members can).

When Trump Visits PR today, please sing a long with Trump! #PrayForPuertoRico #TheResistance pic.twitter.com/Achh0TwlDq

— Jasper #Ω (@JSavoly) October 3, 2017

Holy crap.

…Save your energy Rex, we’ll do what has to be done!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 1, 2017

When @realDonaldTrump publicly undercuts his Sec of State, it not only embarrasses Rex Tillerson, it confuses Americans & world leaders. https://t.co/R6noJvfoks

— Ted Lieu (@tedlieu) October 1, 2017

Song dynasty bowl shatters world record for Chinese ceramics, fetches $37.7 million in sale https://t.co/tr3BX8TzYv

— Yashar Ali 🐘 (@yashar) October 3, 2017

re: #95 Anymouse 🌹

Holy crap.

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Yeah. It’s almost like he wants a war.

re: #97 HappyWarrior

Yeah. It’s almost like he wants a war.

What’s the point of being President if you can’t play with the most powerful military in the history of the world?

Democrat Harry Truman got to drop atomic weapons, why shouldn’t he be able to? /s

re: #36 Charles Johnson

Get a load of this freaking moron. “Your hate for good honest Americans!”

“Let me know when you see one, Joe.”

Does he think he is in grade school?

President Trump as he leaves for Puerto Rico: “In Texas and in Florida we get an A+, and I think we’ve done just as good in Puerto Rico” pic.twitter.com/6xY0BdnmYp

— NBC News (@NBCNews) October 3, 2017

Yeah, my brother-in-law in Texas (a teacher) would not give Trump an A+ over the FEMA response. (His wife only got back to Houston from Russia a couple days ago.)

#FBI is Awesome. Figured out the shooter in Vegas was not linked to ISIS in 11 hours. Can’t say Trump was not linked to Russia in 11 months

— Chuck Woolery (@chuckwoolery) October 2, 2017

Now we see why you’re a game show host and not a defense attorney. @chuckwoolery https://t.co/mOyrqiMkKQ

— Tea Pain (@TeaPainUSA) October 3, 2017

re: #100 The Vicious Babushka

Does he think he is in grade school?

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It’s all about ratings with him.

re: #84 Nyet

Also please report this one. You can choose whether for hate or for targeted harassment.

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re: #81 Anymouse 🌹

Read a comment elsewhere that perhaps a grassroot movement should be started, similar to those started for war memorials, for a monument to the victims of gun violence. Something similar to the Vietnam Veterans Memorial, where people’s names are added.

It wouldn’t have to be in Washington (not likely to be approved by the GOP anyway). Any state that would be willing to host it would be fine.

Perhaps hire the guy who designed the wall to do that. Put a physical reminder in place that allows people who are related to grieve, others to learn, and wingnuts cannot escape its existence.

(The only problem I see with it is wingnuts vandalising it or trying to destroy it.)

Same guy did the Civil Rights memorial at the SPLC headquarters.

Trump budget director on tax plan: “We need new deficits. If deficit-neutral, you’re never going to get 3% growth.” https://t.co/vrn32dqxt4

— John Harwood (@JohnJHarwood) October 3, 2017

Deficits. It’s what plants crave. https://t.co/5RIh040hqn

— Parker Molloy (@ParkerMolloy) October 3, 2017

Possible answer to the automatic fire in Las Vegas—2 rifles are reported to have been modified with bump stocks. These devices slip through a loophole. They’re legal, but reduce accuracy.

apnews.com

re: #107 Decatur Deb

Possible answer to the automatic fire in Las Vegas—2 rifles are reported to have been modified with bump stocks. These devices slip through a loophole. They’re legal, but reduce accuracy.

apnews.com

Accuracy isn’t much of a problem for those who aren’t aiming for specific targets and just want indiscriminate damage. Not just even in the context of mass shootings, some of those that would own something like this would use it to mask their lack of training so they can spray and pray.

re: #107 Decatur Deb

Of course, if trying for mass slaughter, accuracy isn’t needed…

re: #108 Citizen K

re: #109 I cannot.

Yup.

re: #107 Decatur Deb

Possible answer to the automatic fire in Las Vegas—2 rifles are reported to have been modified with bump stocks. These devices slip through a loophole. They’re legal, but reduce accuracy.

apnews.com

I was just reading about those. In the case of the Las Vegas shooting, I’d think accuracy didn’t matter too much; he was just raining bullets on the crowd. Sort of like what you see in those movies where hundreds of archers fire on a phalanx.

Funniest thing I’ve seen in a long time#trumpuniversity #funny #Humor #Humour #resist #resistance #theresistance #Resisttrump #Lol pic.twitter.com/M34FrXUuso

— Don’t Leave Blank (@WTFisGoingOnDon) October 3, 2017

Don’t love cats, but like most of you having a tough day, plus who doesn’t love a cat burglar who makes deliveries.

Cat That Loves to Steal Brings Home a Bag of Weed for His Owner
See more at: https://t.co/bTHoNQGIb3 pic.twitter.com/Hq7bAPQSUm

— Women Daily Magazine (@womendailym) October 2, 2017

Shameless page promotion:

Gun Control and Religious Freedom (goes to the right-hand column of Little Green Footballs)

re: #105 Decatur Deb

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Same guy did the Civil Rights memorial at the SPLC headquarters.

I was going to make a comment about that ‘guy’ too.

Bad ‘mouse.

Anyone suffering emotional emptiness with a big helping of WTF are we doing?

I can’t watch TV. To me they seem to be using Las Vegas as a ratings plus story or something.

To me they should be outraged, but it is just thoughts and prayers. Empty prayers followed by empty thoughts for an empty country.

And then there is Petty passing away. In a way he is going quietly due to his story coming within “The Worst Mass Shooting in History.” Maybe that is how he would want it, but damn, he was a great.

Yeah, empty. Hollowed out.

re: #83 Nyet

You know what to do.

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So you’re saying you can’t learn from your own mistakes.

— Jeff Furlington (@FurlingtonJeff) October 3, 2017

re: #107 Decatur Deb

Possible answer to the automatic fire in Las Vegas—2 rifles are reported to have been modified with bump stocks. These devices slip through a loophole. They’re legal, but reduce accuracy.

apnews.com

He didn’t need accuracy for what he was doing. They worked just fine to spray a crowd 400+ yards away.

re: #102 Anymouse 🌹

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A moderately rational person might be able to deduce something from those 2 statements…

Something else to be happy about, Mueller is on it.

Pre-emptive pardons? Mueller has a guy for that https://t.co/iWBjQV6egV @gregfarrel pic.twitter.com/phY9pLb6RS

— David S. Joachim (@davidjoachim) October 3, 2017

re: #119 I Would Prefer Not To

Something else to be happy about, Mueller is on it.

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Mueller is awesome.

If you need a #bumpstock or a 30rnd clip to go hunting, it sez volumes about your hunting skills. #LasVegasShooting #NRA

— D. E. Todd (@DaveoutofAustin) October 3, 2017

Trump reversed an Obama regulation that made it more difficult for mentally ill people to obtain firearms. #TheResistance #gunsense

— 🌍Vicious Babushka🌎 (@viciousbabushka) October 3, 2017

re: #44 Anymouse 🌹

re: #122 The Vicious Babushka

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Yep. And honestly I’m tired of blaming mental illness while at the same time not doing anything about mental illness.

re: #77 teleskiguy

In round 10, Foreman is allowed to use his eponymous grill.

re: #106 The Vicious Babushka

So glad we’re back to “deficits are good”.

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re: #123 GlutenFreeJesus

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Sigh. People suck.

re: #126 Sir John Barron

So glad we’re back to “deficits are good”.

/

Deficits are good.*
Until the Dems control the WH then we suddenly care.

re: #100 The Vicious Babushka

Does he think he is in grade school?

Disasters. They’re all about Trump’s grades.

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re: #100 The Vicious Babushka

Does he think he is in grade school?

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He’s a delusional sociopath.

He’s a delusional sociopath who thinks everything has to have a superlative associated with it whether it’s appropriate or not

— lawhawk (@lawhawk) October 3, 2017

re: #119 I Would Prefer Not To

What if the people who received the pardons didn’t accept them?

As a gun owner, I ask why don’t the authorities follow up on straw man prosecutions, follow up when a gun owner falls out of law abiding and must give them up, or let state laws (see Arizona) reduce ATF efforts?

The bump stock might be legal, but a plain language reading says really not.
I say this is a lack of prosecution by ATF. A fast track to jail is full auto conversion kits in the same room with a compatible gun. Anyone with experience in this area of the law, please chime in. I’m email Chuck Michel, an attorney famous or infamous if you like for this area of expertise.

Federal Definition of a Machine Gun
For purposes of federal law, a machine gun is defined as:

[A]ny weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manually reloading, by a single function of the trigger. The term shall also include the frame or receiver of any such weapon, any part designed and intended solely and exclusively, or combination of parts designed and intended, for use in converting a weapon into a machinegun, and any combination of parts from which a machinegun can be assembled if such parts are in the possession or under the control of a person.16

I’m about a half millimeter from calling bullshit on the legality, and shaming the authorities accordingly.

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Good morning!

re: #37 Kragar

The one thing in life that gave me peace was believing there was only one Hoft. This has been a stunning development.

Greets and saluts from the resistance in the NYC metro area. It’s not a good day to be optimistic when there are right wing nutters, the Alex Jones audience, who think Las Vegas was carried out so as to “taint” the Bundy trials.

‘Patriots’ I follow on facebook have taken to questioning the Las Vegas Shooting. Truthers. Some believe false flag to ‘taint’ Bundy jury.

— HGTomato 🍅 (@HGTomato) October 3, 2017

There’s so much derp and insanity out there, and it starts at the top. Trump. His buddies in the fever swamps, whether it’s Alex Jones or agitprop producers SMOTI, Rage Furby, and their sycophants, are spreading this toxic stew far and wide.

They have excelled at DARVO, and they’re not going to be done until the entire nation is upended and in turmoil, all while the 1% accumulate more wealth and everyone else sees their burdens increase exponentially.

More than that, we’re exporting the insanity elsewhere such as with actions like this:

UN Human Rights Council voted to condemn death penalty for homosexuality. Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Egypt, China and yes, the US voted against

— Raphael Ahren (@RaphaelAhren) October 3, 2017

Once again, the GOP isn’t about being pro life. Or about life at all. They’re more than willing to desecrate lives and destroy them so that a select few can profit. They exploit the religious beliefs of a handful to impose their views on everyone else. They don’t care about life, and their actions on health care, LGBT, birth control, women’s rights, CHIP (the latest insanity being that the GOP allowed the program to expire 10/1), etc. show that they’re more interested in forcing women to carry to term than they are in caring for the woman’s health or the health of their child.

The fetus is a prop in their debased worldview. They are all about government so small it fits up in the lady bits and in bathroom stalls and the bedroom. They aren’t small government. They’re for a police state that is very much up into what everyone is doing. Their notion of privacy is a fuzzy one, all in furtherance of “security.”

But in doing so, no one is secure, violence is a huge issue, and civil and voting rights are under assault, and the rich just keep getting richer.

A thread from Cheryl Rofer (a nuclear weapons expert):

Guys, it’s time we have a talk about this administration’s realities. 1/

— Cheryl Rofer (@CherylRofer) October 3, 2017

re: #135 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the resistance in the NYC metro area. It’s not a good day to be optimistic when there are right wing nutters, the Alex Jones audience, who think Las Vegas was carried out so as to “taint” the Bundy trials.

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Once again, the GOP isn’t about being pro life. Or about life at all. They’re more than willing to desecrate lives and destroy them so that a select few can profit. They exploit the religious beliefs of a handful to impose their views on everyone else. They don’t care about life, and their actions on health care, LGBT, birth control, women’s rights, CHIP (the latest insanity being that the GOP allowed the program to expire 10/1), etc. show that they’re more interested in forcing women to carry to term than they are in caring for the woman’s health or the health of their child.

The fetus is a prop in their debased worldview. They are all about government so small it fits up in the lady bits and in bathroom stalls and the bedroom. They aren’t small government. They’re for a police state that is very much up into what everyone is doing. Their notion of privacy is a fuzzy one, all in furtherance of “security.”

But in doing so, no one is secure, violence is a huge issue, and civil and voting rights are under assault, and the rich just keep getting richer.

I hate fucking CT loons.

I remember like it was yesterday, I was at my friend Chuck Tart’s house, and it was the first time I even heard of HBO, cable, and MTV. The very first music video I saw was this:

Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers - You Got Lucky [OFFICIAL VIDEO]

Life long fan ever since.

re: #135 lawhawk

So the Trump admin is okay with gays being subjected to the death penalty just because of their sexuality? WTH??!!

re: #132 Unshaken Defiance

As a gun owner, I ask why don’t the authorities follow up on straw man prosecutions, follow up when a gun owner falls out of law abiding and must give them up, or let state laws (see Arizona) reduce ATF efforts?

The bump stock might be legal, but a plain language reading says really not.
I say this is a lack of prosecution by ATF. A fast track to jail is full auto conversion kits in the same room with a compatible gun. Anyone with experience in this area of the law, please chime in. I’m email Chuck Michel, an attorney famous or infamous if you like for this area of expertise.

I think in a legal sense the key phrase in that definition is by a single function of the trigger.

What the bump stock does is facilitates pulling the trigger faster, but there is still a trigger pull for each shot.

re: #135 lawhawk

UN Human Rights Council voted to condemn death penalty for homosexuality. Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Egypt, China and yes, the US voted against
— Raphael Ahren

Hmmm, link for this?

I don’t doubt our current leadership would do this, all the while criticizing Cuba, China and other countries on human rights. The U.S. has also staunchly defended its use of the death penalty and resisted measures seen as infringing on its sovereignty.

Did a few days search at NYT and didn’t see anything for this, though.

I completely agree with this:

My whole news feed is full of decent, well-intentioned folks, from the highest halls of power on down to just regular people trying to do the right thing, navigating their way through this dumbass right-wing talking point as though it’s a good-faith argument worthy of addressing.

“No, this IS the time to politicize the issue, because XYZ.”

And so we get bogged down, bickering on their terms, which is, of course, the entire fucking purpose of the bullshit “argument” in the first place.

Why play along? It’s obviously nothing but an empty talking point. Just raw, unfiltered, horseshit.

So TREAT IT like horseshit. Blow straight past it without bothering to notice the idiot spouting it.

“You shouldn’t politicize the tragedy!”

“Lord, that’s a stupid fucking thing to say. ANYHOW…”

What I wanna know is why we shouldn’t politicize this. 59 people are dead. Over 500 wounded. Paddock had ten guns that he bought in one setting. It’s true. People kill people but guns and easy access to them make it so much easier.

re: #74 teleskiguy

When a single psycho with modified assault rifles can kill 60 and send another 500 to the hospital, the society in which that happened has crossed some kind of evil line. I fear a snowball effect.

As evil and horrendous as that is, the fact that 20 children and 6 adults died in a mass shooting in Sandy Hook just 5 years ago and we let the gun lobby and their congressional whores get away with doing nothing, nothing!, about it is where that evil line was crossed. When a people can witness the slaughter of 26 people in a place of learning and make absolutely no changes to gun laws is, in my mind, the beginning of the end.

We must not let that happen here. Where do good people stand up and say “Enough!”.

re: #143 HappyWarrior

What I wanna know is why we shouldn’t politicize this. 59 people are dead. Over 500 wounded. Paddock had ten guns that he bought in one setting. It’s true. People kill people but guns and easy access to them make it so much easier.

I remember waking up yesterday and seeing the count at 20 likely dead, which was bad enough.

By the time I got to work the count was up to 50+, which was almost enough to turn my stomach. That’s just a staggering number even given the circumstances (large, penned in crowd, well-armed shooter from far above).

re: #144 sizzzzlerz

As evil and horrendous as that is, the fact that 20 children and 6 adults died in a mass shooting in Sandy Hook just 5 years ago and we let the gun lobby and their congressional whores get away with doing nothing, nothing!, about it is where that evil line was crossed. When a people can witness the slaughter of 26 people in a place of learning and make absolutely no changes to gun laws is, in my mind, the beginning of the end.

We must not let that happen here. Where do good people stand up and say “Enough!”.

When our last President showed emotion after Sandy Hook, the right wing bastards mocked him and others including people who have the current president’s ear suggested it was staged.

re: #141 Sir John Barron

Hmmm, link for this?

I don’t doubt our current leadership would do this, all the while criticizing Cuba, China and other countries on human rights. The U.S. has also staunchly defended its use of the death penalty and resisted measures seen as infringing on its sovereignty.

Did a few days search at NYT and didn’t see anything for this, though.

This appears to be the item in question from the UN HRC website.

36/17

The question of the death penalty

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A/HRC/36/L.6

Adopted as orally revised by a recorded vote (27 to 13, with 7 abstentions), 40th meeting, 29 September 2017

From the resolution:

Condemning the imposition of the death penalty as a sanction for specific forms of conduct,such as apostasy, blasphemy, adultery and consensual same-sex relations, and expressing serious concern that the application of the death penalty for adultery is disproportionately imposed on women,

re: #140 danarchy

I think in a legal sense the key phrase in that definition is by a single function of the trigger.

What the bump stock does is facilitates pulling the trigger faster, but there is still a trigger pull for each shot.

Back when I was a kid, someone created an arcade game to go along with the 1984 Olympics. One of the events was the 100 yard dash. There were two buttons you were supposed to hit, back and forth to make the guy run, and the faster you could alternate, the faster the guy would go. Well, someone figured out a way to hold a pencil so that you would hit one side and your hand would spring back to the other side. The character on the screen would move really fast.

Eventually, an update came out that replaced the two buttons with a track ball.

re: #146 HappyWarrior

When our last President showed emotion after Sandy Hook, the right wing bastards mocked him and others including people who have the current president’s ear suggested it was staged.

All the more reason to believe that, as a nation, we’re doomed.

re: #145 Sir John Barron

I remember waking up yesterday and seeing the count at 20 likely dead, which was bad enough.

By the time I got to work the count was up to 50+, which was almost enough to turn my stomach. That’s just a staggering number even given the circumstances (large, penned in crowd, well-armed shooter from far above).

Those are video game numbers honestly. Just unreal. And then there are those who were fortunate not to be physically wounded but no doubt have psychological wounds.

re: #144 sizzzzlerz

As evil and horrendous as that is, the fact that 20 children and 6 adults died in a mass shooting in Sandy Hook just 5 years ago and we let the gun lobby and their congressional whores get away with doing nothing, nothing!, about it is where that evil line was crossed. When a people can witness the slaughter of 26 people in a place of learning and make absolutely no changes to gun laws is, in my mind, the beginning of the end.

We must not let that happen here. Where do good people stand up and say “Enough!”.

And that’s the thing: we made changes to the gun laws…in the complete opposite direction. We didn’t just fail to make stricter regulations, but we actively loosened them up nationwide, while still talking about how the entire thing was somehow a hoax to hurt the 2nd Amendment and NRA or some shit.

This is never getting changed. No matter how much will we have, the NRA outright owns this fucking country for-fucking-ever.

re: #148 Belafon

The game was Track & Field. I used a comb rather than a pencil. I never saw the track ball edition of the game.

re: #147 lawhawk

Thanks

The full document indicates there was a lot of additional statements about the DP that undoubtedly caused the US to oppose.

Welcoming the fact that many States are applying a moratorium on the use of the death penalty,

Noting that States with different legal systems, traditions, cultures and religious backgrounds have abolished the death penalty or are applying a moratorium on its use,

Strongly deploring the fact that the use of the death penalty leads to violations of the human rights of the persons facing the death penalty and of other affected persons,

Recognizing the report of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights on the high-level panel discussion on the question of the death penalty, during which it was concluded that a significant number of States hold that the death penalty is a form of torture or other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment,

Deploring the fact that, frequently, poor and economically vulnerable persons and foreign nationals are disproportionately subjected to the death penalty, that laws carrying the death penalty are used against persons exercising their rights to freedom of expression, thought, conscience, religion, and peaceful assembly and association, and that persons belonging to religious or ethnic minorities are disproportionately represented among those sentenced to the death penalty,

Not to excuse the U.S. vote, but along with our love of gunz, we do sure loves us some death penalty here in the U.S.

re: #148 Belafon

re: #152 Dragonomics

The trackball versions were conditional retrofits, I believe, due to many machines getting the buttons worn out from repeated mashing.

re: #153 Sir John Barron

We think a lot of problems can be solved by killing someone, yet don’t think new problems will come from it.

Track And Field - 1984 Arcade Classic

re: #4 austin_blue

Pulled a CL:

Is it just me, or does the Republican Party simply exist to defend the indefensible, attack the truth, and deny the inalienable rights of Americans who are female and/or black and brown?

No. It primarily exists to redistribute income to the wealthiest 1% of Americans.

re: #154 Citizen K

The trackball versions were conditional retrofits, I believe, due to many machines getting the buttons worn out from repeated mashing.

I still, to this day, remember where I played it. The first Taco Bueno opened on South First in Abilene. You walked in to the order counter, which was a small area. Most of the restaurant was behind it. To the left, a hall led you to the tables. To the right was the arcade area.

re: #155 Belafon

We think a lot of problems can be solved by killing someone, yet don’t think new problems will come from it.

We have a lot of bloodlust. I read the comments on crime stories and people talk about wanting public and or very brutal executions. I understand crime is emotional and man I’d be torn apart if a loved one of mine was murdered like I’ve read some people murdered but you can’t become the monster you hate.

Happy 25th anniversary @barackobama. A quarter of a century later, you’re still my best friend & the most extraordinary man I know. I 💕 you. pic.twitter.com/y0nevQmatB

— Michelle Obama (@MichelleObama) October 3, 2017

re: #160 The Vicious Babushka

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Lovely couple. Congrats President and Mrs. Obama.

oh…ok…
*blink*

Fox News “forensic psychiatrist” blames mass shootings on CNN https://t.co/3KVul7QegS pic.twitter.com/suE0nr6CXw

— Judd Legum (@JuddLegum) October 3, 2017

re: #105 Decatur Deb

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Same guy did the Civil Rights memorial at the SPLC headquarters.

Well, I’m stupid. Maya Lin doesn’t really qualify as “guy,” eh?

Change that sentence above to “get the woman who designed the Vietnam Veterans Memorial.”

re: #162 Backwoods_Sleuth

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But don’t politicize the shootings. // Fuck you Fox. Fuck you for poisoning people’s minds with your shitty propaganda masquerading as news.

Remember Jesse Camp? I don’t think Jesse Camp remembers Jesse Camp.

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re: #78 Anymouse 🌹

This is what politicising violence looks like:

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Karma is coming for them. The GOP they support is getting ready to break their union, along with all other public sector unions, followed by the private sector unions as well.

re: #162 Backwoods_Sleuth

Its OK - the CNN “forensic psychiatrist” will blame Faux News. Then we can have a battle royal with all the talking heads. Whomever walks out alive wins (I’m tired of the news thus we turn it into Celebrity Death Match clay-mation).

re: #167 CongoJack

Its OK - the CNN “forensic psychiatrist” will blame Faux News. Then we can have a battle royal with all the talking heads. Whomever walks out alive wins (I’m tired of the news thus we turn it into Celebrity Death Match clay-mation).

Heh I really liked that show back in the day. It was silly and absurd but that was the late 90’s.

re: #162 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh…ok…
*blink*

Fox misheard the person, it’s “forensic phrenologist.”

re: #169 Belafon

Fox misheard the person, it’s “forensic phrenologist proctologist.”

FTFY.

BTW, the next argument in the “we can’t control guns” from the right is “3D printers.”

re: #170 Dr Lizardo

FTFY.

Hopefully, this person has never been allowed to actually practice if that’s the case.

re: #124 HappyWarrior

Yep. And honestly I’m tired of blaming mental illness while at the same time not doing anything about mental illness.

Plus, mentally-ill people are overwhelmingly victims of violent crimes, not perpetrators.

One problem though with mental illness is in the rule set aside by the Trump Administration on guns and the mentally ill, the ACLU and twenty-three disability rights organisations argued to set it aside.

aclu.org

The argument used was primarily a slippery-slope argument: If you can take a II Amendment right from a mentally-ill person, then you could take any right (or expand that to other disabilities).

re: #171 Belafon

BTW, the next argument in the “we can’t control guns” from the right is “3D printers.”

Yeah I saw Rick Wilson make that argument. Sick of these excuses.

I would like to see Dana explain how a guy in a hotel room can kill 59 people 32 floors & a block away, with hands, feet and fists, a bottle of vodka and a carton of Camels.

INBOX: The American College of Physicians says gun violence is a public health issue, calls for ban on automatic + semiautomatic weapons. pic.twitter.com/q3Pvoi9dJw

— Dan Diamond (@ddiamond) October 2, 2017

Right after we ban pools, cars, cigarettes, alcohol, hands feet & fists. Lives lost due to these constitute an epidemic. https://t.co/vVPgfOdY3Z

— Dana Loesch (@DLoesch) October 3, 2017

re: #173 Anymouse 🌹

Plus, mentally-ill people are overwhelmingly victims of violent crimes, not perpetrators.

One problem though with mental illness is in the rule set aside by the Trump Administration on guns and the mentally ill, the ACLU and twenty-three disability rights organisations argued to set it aside.

aclu.org

The argument used was primarily a slippery-slope argument: If you can take a II Amendment right from a mentally-ill person, then you could take any right (or expand that to other disabilities).

I actually understood a little where the ACLU was coming from on that and the disability groups but at the same time, something needs to be done. It should have risen tons of red flags when this guy bought ten weapons. But yes those with mental illness are far more likely to be the victims of violent crime than commit it.

re: #175 The Vicious Babushka

“We can only do one thing at a time. When I chew, I am temporarily blind.” - Dana

re: #175 The Vicious Babushka

I would like to see Dana explain how a guy in a hotel room can kill 59 people 32 floors & a block away, with hands, feet and fists.

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The biggest difference between those things and guns Dumb Dana is guns are specifically designed to end lives and the gun used two nights ago was specifically designed to as end many lives as possible in a quick amount of time as possible. Great use for military combat but for a civilian, hell fucking no. Stop crying about guns and actually show some fucking concern for humanity, you gun humping witch.

re: #177 Belafon

“We can only do one thing at a time. When I chew, I am temporarily blind.” - Dana

All that dumb woman cares about is guns. She and LaPierre both.

re: #179 HappyWarrior

All that dumb woman cares about is guns. She and LaPierre both.

Being able to only do one thing at a time also explains why she sounds like an idiot when she talks.

re: #171 Belafon

BTW, the next argument in the “we can’t control guns” from the right is “3D printers.”

Since the NRA and their pet GOPers exist to prop up and fluff gun manufacturers, wouldn’t 3D printing of guns be something they actually WOULD regulate? People being able to make their own guns would be a YUGE threat to profits, after all…

re: #171 Belafon

BTW, the next argument in the “we can’t control guns” from the right is “3D printers.”

Which puts the NRA in a bind, as they support gun manufacturers over their membership, and gun manufacturers are opposed to 3D printer guns. (They can’t make money on those.)

Vanity Fair wrote an article about what appears to be a split building within the NRA last year, and 3D guns are part of that (the rest is that for sport shooters and hunters the organisation is chock full of wingnuts, while even crazier organisations like the Gun Owners of America are peeling off NRA members who think the NRA is becoming too liberal).

vanityfair.com

One of you or someone on Twitter made a great point yesterday. “When a knife can kill 59 people and wound 500 people in 15 minutes then I’ll start calling for knife control.” The issue isn’t that guns kill in themselves. The issue is these guns kill and can kill rapidly. It must piss Dana off that the “good guy with a gun” adage is pretty much impossible to use here.

re: #182 Anymouse 🌹

Which puts the NRA in a bind, as they support gun manufacturers over their membership, and gun manufacturers are opposed to 3D printer guns. (They can’t make money on those.)

Vanity Fair wrote an article about what appears to be a split building within the NRA last year, and 3D guns are part of that (the rest is that for sport shooters and hunters the organisation is chock full of wingnuts, while even crazier organisations like the Gun Owners of America are peeling off NRA members who think the NRA is becoming too liberal).

vanityfair.com

NRA becoming too liberal? What planet do these guys live on?

re: #175 The Vicious Babushka

Dana and the other gun nuts think they need their firearms to protect them from FEDERAL TYRANNY!1!.

The US government, amongst other things, has at its disposal Reaper drones, armed with Hellfire or Paveway II missiles. They can blow away your typical Three-Percenter while he’s sitting on the can reading the latest issue of ‘Guns & Ammo’ and he’d never even know what hit him. He’d never even hear the drone - their operational ceiling is 25,000 feet and a Paveway II has an effective firing range of nine miles.

If they seriously think their AR-15 is somehow going to protect them against this, they’re sadly mistaken.

re: #183 HappyWarrior

One of you or someone on Twitter made a great point yesterday. “When a knife can kill 59 people and wound 500 people in 15 minutes then I’ll start calling for knife control.” The issue isn’t that guns kill in themselves. The issue is these guns kill and can kill rapidly. It must piss Dana off that the “good guy with a gun” adage is pretty much impossible to use here.

When a 64 year old white man kills 58 and wounds 500 in fifteen minutes from 1200 feet with a knife, I will absolutely call for knife control. Until then, you’ve made the world’s shittiest point.

— Timothy Simons (@timothycsimons) October 2, 2017

If one person could kill 59 people in 45 minutes with a man-portable pool from 1200 feet away, you would have a point.

— jay (@random__name) October 3, 2017

re: #186 Interesting Times

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Yep, that was it. Thanks. And it’s a good one. 59 people dead and 500 wounded within 15 minutes. Jesus Christ. But nope we shouldn’t talk about guns. Nope. But we can be Pat Robertson and blame NFL players. We can be that hack on FNC and blame CNN. I’m sorry and I know we have a lot of gun owners here on LGF but fuck the gun culture and gun hoarding that goes on this country.

re: #158 Belafon

I still, to this day, remember where I played it. The first Taco Bueno opened on South First in Abilene. You walked in to the order counter, which was a small area. Most of the restaurant was behind it. To the left, a hall led you to the tables. To the right was the arcade area.

While in technical school, I worked nights at an arcade across from the school on Westheimer in west Houston. Track & Field was one of the more popular games. And I saw many kids using the pencil method.

But the fact of the matter is Dana ignores that we do something about a lot of these. We do regulate pools for safety measures. We do make sure cars are in fact safe to drive. I get it. We have the second amendment which as I just saw someone say was written in a time when we fired one shot a minute. More people died Sunday night in Las Vegas than died at the Battle of Lexington and Concord that started the American Revolution.

re: #187 I cannot.

Her standard response to anyone who points out her idiocy is “Bless your heart” which is Loeschese for “Go Fuck Yourself”

Wild Belle - Throw Down Your Guns

re: #184 HappyWarrior

NRA becoming too liberal? What planet do these guys live on?

The Gun Owners of America and Larry Pratt make the NRA practically nannies by comparison.

en.wikipedia.org (Article on Larry Platt)

re: #190 HappyWarrior

But the fact of the matter is Dana ignores that we do something about a lot of these. We do regulate pools for safety measures. We do make sure cars are in fact safe to drive. I get it. We have the second amendment which as I just saw someone say was written in a time when we fired one shot a minute. More people died Sunday night in Las Vegas than died at the Battle of Lexington and Concord that started the American Revolution.

Yep. We ban cars that are not street legal. Which means you cannot drive a NASCAR car on the street.

re: #193 Anymouse 🌹

The Gun Owners of America and Larry Pratt make the NRA practically nannies by comparison.

en.wikipedia.org (Article on Larry Platt)

Oh I’m familiar with the GOA and Pratt. Just unreal that they think the NRA is becoming too liberal.

re: #186 Interesting Times

re: #187 I cannot.

As Eddie Izzard said, “The NRA says ‘guns don’t kill, people do’, but I think the gun helps.”

The point isn’t ‘blaming the tool’, it’s that said tool in the hands of the wrong people makes a dangerous situation deadly, and makes a deadly situation into a potential massacre. It’s a catalyst, and it literally has no other purpose than to damage and maim things. There’s no other use for a gun than to shoot things with the intent to kill.

As a point:

What the fuck is it then? A ‘tool’? What purpose does a firearm have other than being a fucking weapon, that’s the point of it

— K For Gun Control (@Citizen_Kryptik) September 12, 2017

Even if you’re an olympic fencer, people are going to be suspicious if you’re wearing a fucking sword at your hip. How are guns different?

— K For Gun Control (@Citizen_Kryptik) September 12, 2017

re: #195 HappyWarrior

Oh I’m familiar with the GOA and Pratt. Just unreal that they think the NRA is becoming too liberal.

“They have all these bogus rules at gun ranges. How are those supposed to keep us safe from the government?”

From Wikipedia, more on Larry Pratt of GOA:

Pratt has founded a variety of organizations, including English First (lobbying organization), Gun Owners of America, U.S. Border Control, and Committee to Protect the Family.

Pratt is the president of English First, an organization within the English-only movement. The organization was founded in 1986, and works to pass English Only amendments at both state and federal levels. Pratt also helped found and served as secretary of the Council for Inter-American Security, which was founded in 1976. Pratt has served as a board member of the American Legislative Exchange Council.

Pratt has also been listed as a member of the Council for National Policy (CNP). A January 13, 2001 article in The Guardian explored Pratt’s relationship with then-Attorney General nominee John Ashcroft, stating they knew each other from the CNP. The January 11, 2001 edition of TIME Magazine included an article on Pratt and Ashcroft’s relationship.

In the late 1980s and early 1990s, Pratt used his Committee to Protect the Family organization to raise $150,000 for the anti-abortion group Operation Rescue which paid $50,000 in court-imposed fines.

re: #194 Belafon

Yep. We ban cars that are not street legal. Which means you cannot drive a NASCAR car on the street.

The counter to that is “Well cars aren’t in the constitution and guns are.” I know it sounds radical but we really do need to consider when the 2nd was written. And I get that maybe that could set up a dangerous slope considering the 1st as well but whereas speech has merely taken on different forms, guns have gotten more deadly.

re: #196 Citizen K

As Eddie Izzard said, “The NRA says ‘guns don’t kill, people do’, but I think the gun helps.”

The point isn’t ‘blaming the tool’, it’s that said tool in the hands of the wrong people makes a dangerous situation deadly, and makes a deadly situation into a potential massacre. It’s a catalyst, and it literally has no other purpose than to damage and maim things. There’s no other use for a gun than to shoot things with the intent to kill.

As a point:

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The NRA wants to make guns anything but what tehy are. They are weapons. Whether you’re hunting, owning one for protection, etc.

Photos of some of the firearms used in Vegas

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re: #197 Belafon

“They have all these bogus rules at gun ranges. How are those supposed to keep us safe from the government?”

Gun safety is for beta cucks man. //

re: #198 Anymouse 🌹

From Wikipedia, more on Larry Pratt of GOA:

So he’s a racist and anti abortion fanatic as well. Que shock.

nypost.com

The high-powered weapons included an AR-15 and an AK-47 as well as four Daniel Defense DDM4 rifles, three FN-15s and other rifles made by Sig Sauer, according to reports.

You know what is even more despicable? Refusing to acknowledge that unrestricted access to firearms in America IS A FREAKING PROBLEM.

— 🌍Vicious Babushka🌎 (@viciousbabushka) October 3, 2017

It’s never going to be acceptable to talk about guns in this country. After Sandy Hook, I’ve resigned myself to that. But I’m glad that we have elected officials like Senator Murphy of Connecticut that are willing to take on the cowards at the NRA. And make no mistake about it, Dana Loesch, Wayne LaPierre, and the NRA leadership are cowards. They think they’re tough, bad asses but they’re actually fucking cowards that hide behind guns.

The GOP just allowed CHIP to expire for 9 million children & pregnant women & won’t address gun death so don’t tell me they’re “Pro Life”

— 🌍Vicious Babushka🌎 (@viciousbabushka) October 3, 2017

re: #199 HappyWarrior

The counter to that is “Well cars aren’t in the constitution and guns are.” I know it sounds radical but we really do need to consider when the 2nd was written. And I get that maybe that could set up a dangerous slope considering the 1st as well but whereas speech has merely taken on different forms, guns have gotten more deadly.

And that goes back to the fact that for many years, the courts ruled you had an absolute right to drive a car without interference, known as the Right to Travel. Automobile ownership and driving were in fact considered constitutionally-protected against government encroachment.

The right to own a car and continually striking down state traffic laws was upheld over and over again through the Thirties, when auto deaths started getting to the point that the courts took a harder look at that.

Long PDF from Oklahoma City University Law Review, replace the (dot):

www (dot) constitution (dot) org/lrev/roots/orphaned_right (dot) pdf

re: #205 The Vicious Babushka

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Your network literally had someone that blamed CNN for the shooting, FNC. Fuck off with that shit. And Hillary wasn’t “politicizing” it all, she was correctly pointing out that no civilian should have had access to these weapons. But go ahead cry about Hillary some more and get your sexually impotent viewership into a rage at someone who isn’t even in elected office, you fucking cowards who have no idea what it’s like to lose someone to guns.

re: #140 danarchy

I think in a legal sense the key phrase in that definition is by a single function of the trigger.

What the bump stock does is facilitates pulling the trigger faster, but there is still a trigger pull for each shot.

This is where the legal sense is nonsense (I think anyway) when intent (ban full auto), and an outcome (full auto) result from a replacement / mod of the gun. In this case a weird stock. Guys used to make wind up cams they would put in the trigger. Until someone paid a huge fine and went on probation to stay out of jail. People have been charged with possession of a machine pistol when the gun lab mishandled / abused a gun enough to get it to double fire in the test tank.

I admit this is wildly uneven when you look around nationally. Cities vs rural areas.

I’m just not in the camp that finds that loophole view credible, and I suspect ATF will come around fast, still too late. The loophole view gets ATF and others such as state legislators off the hook for failed enforcement or policy. Imho. Nobody reasonable thinks the 2nd A ensures the right to that deadly modification of the guns.

It’s extremely well established that the mechanics and availability of guns can be regulated. So can people to a degree, felons are prohibited, waiting periods.

It is equally well established that laws that go un or under enforced are not effective. That’s a dire warning to those who want to pass more rules. Budgets and executive inclinations vary widely by time and geography.

re: #163 Anymouse 🌹

Well, I’m stupid. Maya Lin doesn’t really qualify as “guy,” eh?

Change that sentence above to “get the woman who designed the Vietnam Veterans Memorial.”

That list has an endpoint.

Perhaps something like the AIDS quilt, since we’ll be adding more squares on a regular basis.

Sorry guys. This is a little personal to me. I had friends and family at Virginia Tech. And my great uncle actually shot himself with a gun.

re: #199 HappyWarrior

The counter to that is “Well cars aren’t in the constitution and guns are.” I know it sounds radical but we really do need to consider when the 2nd was written. And I get that maybe that could set up a dangerous slope considering the 1st as well but whereas speech has merely taken on different forms, guns have gotten more deadly.

9th and 10th amendment, a favorite argument of theirs. And I believe the SCOTUS has ruled on the constitutionality of driving.

re: #213 Belafon

9th and 10th amendment, a favorite argument of theirs. And I believe the SCOTUS has ruled on the constitutionality of driving.

Yeah they have per AM’s link. I think we just need to use and I hate using this word since it’s abused so often these days but “common sense.” Rifles? Sure, I have no problem with someone owning one of those whether for protection or because they enjoy hunting or whatever. A handgun even I get. But weapons like these? I can’t for the life of me see the practicality of a civilian wanting to own them. I mean if you must shoot them for target shooting, maybe we can have ranges where people use them but for personal ownership? As I said, more people died two nights ago than Americans died at the battle that started the Revolutionary War.

As for printing guns, we’ll end up regulating particular plastics the same way we do fertilizer.

re: #213 Belafon

9th and 10th amendment, a favorite argument of theirs. And I believe the SCOTUS has ruled on the constitutionality of driving.

It has. They gradually moved from their position of the government cannot prevent you from pushing, pulling, dragging, or driving over the landscape without interference to the position of “cars in particular are causing increasing carnage in travel, so the government has an interest in writing regulations that protect other people’s rights.”

At least in theory the same arguments could be used for the II Amendment (and were until recently). Since the public at large has a right to live, the government has a legitimate interest in regulating the sale or training in guns (just as they argued with cars).

That article from the Oklahoma City University Law Review is a fascinating read on how the courts got from an individual absolute right to drive a car that was constitutionally protected to an absolute right to be protected from unsafe and unregulated auto drivers.

re: #199 HappyWarrior

The counter to that is “Well cars aren’t in the constitution and guns are.” I know it sounds radical but we really do need to consider when the 2nd was written. And I get that maybe that could set up a dangerous slope considering the 1st as well but whereas speech has merely taken on different forms, guns have gotten more deadly.

The other counter is the gun laws that have been upheld time and again. Very few gun laws get thrown out by the Federal courts when compared to how many held up.

Officially, we do have a contemporary reading on the 2nd. Heller. A historic, and controversial decision. So we have a clear path to regulation within the 2nd.

Not aimed at you, but at those who cry for a Constitutional convention. I see a severe need to show first and foremost how a bunch of legislators unable to get it done under the constitution can be trusted with a fundamental do over. Where is the necessary ethical balance and political competence? In a post Citizens V United nation?

My son just posted this to his FB page:

Millions of people uprooted themselves and fled from their properties to avoid getting injured or killed by hurricane Harvey or Irma. Hundreds of millions of productive work hours set aside, to minimize human casualty.

One terrorist monster with an unchecked arsenal of weapons can wreak more death and havoc then the strongest hurricane to hit the US in one hundred years.

If it’s in our hands to minimize the death of human lives from the greatest force of nature, then it is in our hands to prevent, minimize any future mass shooting.

It’s in our hands if we have the will.

Heartbroken for Las Vegas and this American tragedy.

What happened in Vegas last night must not remain in Vegas.

We’ll Find a Way for You to Keep Your Guns if You Find a Way for Us to Keep our Kids (Goes to Tea Pain’s blog)

re: #217 Unshaken Defiance

The other counter is the gun laws that have been upheld time and again. Very few gun laws get thrown out by the Federal courts when compared to how many held up.

Officially, we do have a contemporary reading on the 2nd. Heller. A historic, and controversial decision. So we have a clear path to regulation within the 2nd.

Not aimed at you, but at those who cry for a Constitutional convention. I see a severe need to show first and foremost how a bunch of legislators unable to get it done under the constitution can be trusted with a fundamental do over. Where is the necessary ethical balance and political competence? In a post Citizens V United nation?

I agree with you about the convention and legislators especially in the Post CU world. It’s honestly tough because people say they want things like universal background checks and things like that but when we actually vote, we’re easily riled by fear spread by the usual suspects.

— Dana Loesch (@DLoesch) October 3, 2017

Pools: there are zoning laws about the fencing around pools, covers over pools, “attractive nuisance” principles in tort law… if somebody else’s kid dies in your pool, they get all your money.

Cars: seat belt laws, airbags, stricter drunk driving limits, new materials for windshields, guard rails and speed bumps in selected locations… the annual death toll from automobile-related deaths is down 40% from the 1960’s.

Cigarettes: OMG the RULES about cigarettes!! Where you can smoke, age limit to buy cigarettes, etc etc etc. Not in restaurants, nightclubs, schools, offices, Central Park. NYC now has entire apartment buildings that forbid smoking by anyone ever, even in their own home.

Alcohol: lots of rules about who, when and where. Also, the purveyor is allowed required to say “no, you have enough, I can’t sell you anymore” if he (in his sole judgment) believes you may be a danger to others.

I love it when our local creationist talks about confirmation bias.

re: #221 sagehen

Exactly. Those things are regulated. Dana’s full of you know what.

re: #217 Unshaken Defiance

Yeah, the Koch Brothers and fellow travellers are working toward an Article V convention.

There is nothing in the Constitution that limits what a convention could do once it’s called.

Right to vote based on land ownership or one-vote-per-dollar? Abortion rights gone? Jim Crow installed as part of the Constitution? Outlawing religious freedom except the correct religion? All would be on the table, and the extremists would dominate such a convention.

No thanks.

re: #218 The Vicious Babushka

My son just posted this to his FB page:

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It’s in our hands if we have the will.

Heartbroken for Las Vegas and this American tragedy.

What happened in Vegas last night must not remain in Vegas.

You raised a thoughtful son. Bravo. You can tell him I said so. /s

re: #223 HappyWarrior

Exactly. Those things are regulated. Dana’s full of you know what.

Cattle kill more people here than cars, knives, or even guns. Let’s outlaw cattle in a county with half a million cattle and three thousand people.

Aside from the absurdity of that, we have regulations of freakin’ cattle. Where they can graze, what highway markings are required for open range, what marks are required on them to show ownership, &c &c &c.

Cattle are better regulated than guns.

re: #226 Anymouse 🌹

Cattle kill more people here than cars, knives, or even guns. Let’s outlaw cattle in a county with half a million cattle and three thousand people.

Aside from the absurdity of that, we have regulations of freakin’ cattle. Where they can graze, what highway markings are required for open range, what marks are required on them to show ownership, &c &c &c.

Cattle are better regulated than guns.

Yeppers.

Dana Milbank column in language even Trump can understand.

See Rex.

Rex is a big dog. Rex is the top dog. Rex has a good job. Rex can fly! Rex has a jet. Fly, Rex, fly. Rex flies to other lands. Rex sits. Rex shakes. Rex speaks. When Rex speaks, Rex thinks he speaks for the U.S.A.

See Donald. Donald owns Rex. Rex is Donald’s dog. Donald is loud. Donald is big. Donald is bigger than Rex. Donald is mean to Rex. When Rex speaks, Donald tweets. Donald tweets like a bird. Tweet, Donald, tweet. Donald’s tweets hurt Rex. Donald says: Bad, Rex! Do not speak, Rex. Rex, you do not speak for the U.S.A. Only Donald speaks

Rex rolls over. Roll, Rex, roll. Good boy. Rex tells Donald he will not be a bad dog again. Rex tries. Rex tries hard. Rex tries very hard. But then Rex forgets. Rex thinks he speaks for the U.S.A. again. Donald gets mad again. Donald tweets again. Rex rolls over again.

Rex is so sad. Rex wants to cry. Rex was a big boss once. He dug for oil. Dig, Rex, dig. Rex made a lot of bones. But Donald said: Do not dig, Rex. Come be my dog.

So God told Rexxon his new job was to be Trump’s dog. He does make a good one.

washingtonpost.com

Listened to this a lot in high school:

Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers - Walls (Circus) [OFFICIAL VIDEO]

re: #144 sizzzzlerz

As evil and horrendous as that is, the fact that 20 children and 6 adults died in a mass shooting in Sandy Hook just 5 years ago and we let the gun lobby and their congressional whores get away with doing nothing, nothing!, about it is where that evil line was crossed. When a people can witness the slaughter of 26 people in a place of learning and make absolutely no changes to gun laws is, in my mind, the beginning of the end.

We must not let that happen here. Where do good people stand up and say “Enough!”.

A lot of good people do stand up and say enough.

But it turns out…it is not enough.

We have a government that no longer represents the people. Gun control is a perfect example. Even Republican gun owners poll saying they are okay with some controls.

So who has control? Money. NRA. People that are not even voted into office. It’s been that way for too long.

Until the NRA has some power taken from it, this is the new normal. Who can stop the NRA? The people that apparently are fine with them and do not say enough.

There is no individual right in the second amendment. It is a false interpretation held in place by greed mongers, conspiracy theorists and religious fanatics.

re: #146 HappyWarrior

When our last President showed emotion after Sandy Hook, the right wing bastards mocked him and others including people who have the current president’s ear suggested it was staged.

Onions.

The Last DJ - Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers, official video

During my brief foray into economics, my economics professor used this Petty song to explain an economic principle. Forgetting what but I was glad to hear it.

Also, it’s pretty fucking sad that Late Night Comedians have become our nations conscience.

Not politicians, not the media, not business leaders.

Comedians.

re: #231 Amory Blaine

There is no individual right in the second amendment. It is a false interpretation held in place by greed mongers, conspiracy theorists and religious fanatics.

The Supreme Court has ruled there is. And that’s not going to change anytime soon.

Traveling Wilburys - Tweeter And The Monkey Man

This was one of my first favorite songs. I also liked Handle With Care. My Dad had a Wilburys cassette that we listened to a lot in the late 80’s and early 90’s.

This link provides a view of what any gun owner needs to know to come here.
oag.ca.gov

It’s a little unsettling that California has had to extend a registration period for guns a lot like those used in Vegas and San Bernardino. Because they could not set it up in a timely manner. January 1st was the deadline.

re: #234 Eclectic Cyborg

Also, it’s pretty fucking sad that Late Night Comedians have become our nations conscience.

Not politicians, not the media, not business leaders.

Comedians.

I never thought that Jimmy Kimmel would be a more eloquent speaker than POTUS. Now I always liked Jimmy but Jimmy was Ben Stein’s sidekick on Win Ben Stein’s money and the co-host of the Man Show. No diss on Jimmy meant but man it says something about him (good) and bad about our leaders.

We FOIA’d the calls to Trump’s ICE snitchline—it’s a grotesque look inside an emerging Stasi operation https://t.co/PyDqYEesWO

— John Cook (@johnjcook) October 3, 2017

re: #239 FormerDirtDart

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What’s happening to this country? We get furious at kneeling during the national anthem but this, this something out of a dictatorship doesn’t seem to bother people a damn.

re: #222 Belafon

I love it when our local creationist talks about confirmation bias.

re: #241 Anymouse 🌹

Sorry, a guy at work.

re: #240 HappyWarrior

What’s happening to this country? We get furious at kneeling during the national anthem but this, this something out of a dictatorship doesn’t seem to bother people a damn.

I doubt most people know what’s going on.

re: #243 Belafon

I doubt most people know what’s going on.

Agree. Furthermore, I suspect many are intentionally trying to ignore what is going on.

re: #243 Belafon

I doubt most people know what’s going on.

Moreover, they don’t care, if it happens to “those people.”

re: #245 gwangung

Moreover, they don’t care, if it happens to “those people.”

Indifference. “I’m not an illegal so I don’t care.”

For Baba:

These Insanely Gorgeous Pie Crusts Will Get You So Ready For Fall

re: #243 Belafon

I doubt most people know what’s going on.

True and if they do know, they just don’t seem to care because it’s not them or their family.

re: #163 Anymouse 🌹

Well, I’m stupid. Maya Lin doesn’t really qualify as “guy,” eh?

Change that sentence above to “get the woman who designed the Vietnam Veterans Memorial.”

I remember the controversy about her selection to design the monument. One-third because she was a woman, two-thirds because she was Asian. The ratios are reversed depending on the forum.

re: #243 Belafon

I doubt most people know what’s going on.

Sort of like Nazi Germany, or the Soviet Eastern Bloc.

There is a difference today, as shown in the Women’s March and the March for Science: Today we have instant communications via the Internet.

Whilst the Internet has created a bunch of batshit insane crap, it also is a valuable tool for spreading truthful information and organising against injustice or oppression. (That latter part doesn’t get enough credit.)

OT: at the post office for my interview. Ave Ceasar? ;)

re: #251 William Lewis

OT: at the post office for my interview. Ave Ceasar? ;)

Good luck with that. (We have a job opening at our post office if you want to move here, by the way.)

I agree that a lot of people don’t want to know. But it took an FOIA to get this information. We’ll have to spread it. That’s what I meant about most people not knowing.