The Bob Cesca Show: Oh Shoot

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Today’s program from our podcasting affiliate, The Bob Cesca Show:

Oh Shoot: Not Safe For Work; Buzz Burbank is here; Las Vegas and the continuing madness of the gun culture; AR15s and Bump Stocks; The NRA is selling products, nothing else; Trump turns 16 deaths into a positive story; Trump blaming the hurricane victims; Safe Home, Tom Petty; RT’s Top 10 Russophobes; Jared Kushner’s Private Email Server; and much more.

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247 comments

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Ace Rothstein  Oct 3, 2017 • 4:31:27pm

I’ll just leave this here.

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Skip Intro  Oct 3, 2017 • 4:32:08pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 3, 2017 • 4:35:56pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2017 • 4:38:01pm

JFC

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2017 • 4:38:55pm

re: #1 Ace Rothstein

I’ll just leave this here.

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Noted downstairs that food stamps WERE allowed for that in Texas and Florida.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 3, 2017 • 4:39:44pm

re: #4 Backwoods_Sleuth

He only sees what he wants to see.

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Scout  Oct 3, 2017 • 4:42:10pm

In the previous thread, people were discussing a U.N. resolution that would condemn use of death penalty to target LGBTQ people.

Eclectic Cyborg mentioned Japan, like the U.S., voted against it.

Don’t take this as gospel, because it’s just supposition on my part, but I think Japan voted against it because the death penalty is still used here and the government doesn’t want anything chipping away at it.

While there are activists campaigning to end capital punishment, opinion polls indicate it remains generally popular with the public.

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wrenchwench  Oct 3, 2017 • 4:43:36pm

[…]

In the dead of night on Dec. 29, 1997, they sawed off the foot, unleashing a debate over Oñate’s atrocities. While some in New Mexico admire the conquistador in ballads and pageantry, others are re-examining the brutality of Oñate’s conquest.

Scholars have documented how Oñate oversaw atrocities that included the killing of 800 people in Acoma Pueblo, an ancient adobe aerie atop a 357-foot-tall sandstone mesa where the Acoma people still live today. Dozens of Acoma girls were parceled out to convents in Mexico City, and adolescents were sentenced to decades of servitude. In a notorious act of cruelty, Oñate is said to have ordered his men to cut a foot off at least 24 male captives.

[…]

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plansbandc  Oct 3, 2017 • 4:47:33pm

re: #8 wrenchwench

I think it’s fantastic they sawed off that foot. Sadly, there’s a park in Albuquerque named for Oñate. And a school.

I would love to see name changes for both.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 3, 2017 • 4:48:47pm
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De Kolta Chair  Oct 3, 2017 • 4:49:53pm
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freetoken  Oct 3, 2017 • 4:49:54pm

re: #7 Scout

Don’t take this as gospel, because it’s just supposition on my part, but I think Japan voted against it because the death penalty is still used here and the government doesn’t want anything chipping away at it.

That will pretty much be the reason for many of those countries that voted against the resolution.

Russia would have voted no, too, but they don’t get a vote on that UN body. Hmmm…. maybe the US vote was their proxy? Or, maybe we just like killing people.

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KGxvi  Oct 3, 2017 • 4:51:16pm

re: #10 goddamnedfrank

So, it’s inoperable and we should get our affairs in order?

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 3, 2017 • 4:51:46pm

re: #13 KGxvi

So, it’s inoperable and we should get our affairs in order?

I mean …

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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2017 • 4:52:20pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 3, 2017 • 4:53:14pm

re: #10 goddamnedfrank

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More like saying that your cancer has metastasized, so from now on instead of trying to cure you of the cancer, we’ll be trying to cure the cancer of you.

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lawhawk  Oct 3, 2017 • 4:54:44pm

re: #13 KGxvi

So, it’s inoperable and we should get our affairs in order?

Nuke it from orbit? Just to be sure.

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De Kolta Chair  Oct 3, 2017 • 4:54:54pm

re: #4 Backwoods_Sleuth

JFC

Yikes, while meaning to like your comment, I accidentally liked Trump’s imbecile tweet!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:03:12pm

re: #13 KGxvi

So, it’s inoperable and we should get our affairs in order?

screw us having to get our affairs in order….let the free market take care of it!
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plansbandc  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:04:27pm

I can tell my head isn’t good. Picked a fight with a religious moron on twitter. Yes, yes. Block early, block often. Blocked now. I feel kinda pleased with the lashing out though. Might need a break from politics.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:05:26pm
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goddamnedfrank  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:05:31pm

I keep thinking lately of Hannah Arendt’s Eichmann in Jerusalem: A Report on the Banality of Evil lately. Her concept of the banality of evil is often misunderstood to mean that the kind of monstrosity exhibited by the nazi’s could be performed by anybody. Instead what she meant was that Eichmann was a type of person who wasn’t sick so much as just unremarkably stupid. That this stupidity is what drove virtually all of his decision making and that the evil of the nazis wasn’t in the hearts of everyone but that the capacity for it also wasn’t exactly rare.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:06:15pm

re: #21 FormerDirtDart

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Trump supporters are awfully sensitive aren’t they? They’re some kind of snowish flake.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:08:14pm

re: #2 Skip Intro

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Sainthood for Rep Dingell

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:09:20pm

re: #21 FormerDirtDart

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Stanley Sea  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:11:59pm
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FormerDirtDart  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:13:47pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:14:07pm

Oh, for fuck’s sake!

Yeah, but we HEAVILY regulate and license cars, and even more heavily regulate explosives. Is that what you’re advocating for firearms?

Seriously?

Dear ‘Being Libertarian’ - being libertarian isn’t synonymous with being stupid.

Not necessarily, anyway.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:16:23pm

re: #28 Blind Frog Belly White

Oh, for fuck’s sake!

Yeah, but we HEAVILY regulate and license cars, and even more heavily regulate explosives. Is that what you’re advocating for firearms?

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Dear ‘Being Libertarian’ - being libertarian isn’t synonymous with being stupid.

Not necessarily, anyway.

When we have bombings and car accidents, we take measures to prevent future bombings and car accidents but cry some more about guns.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:17:08pm

Who is this mother fucker?

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nines09  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:17:21pm

“How can I be the man I want to be, Mommy? I sometimes think I’m not strong enough to to get there.” JUST GET SHOT JOHNNY THEN EVERYTHING WORKS OUT…….BUT DON’T DIE….THEN YOU LOSE….

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:18:11pm

re: #30 The Vicious Babushka

Who is this mother fucker?

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Patriots isn’t a demographic you idiot and you don’t know the religion of all the people who were there, you dumbass.

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lawhawk  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:18:21pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:18:24pm

I am just going to go ahead and say I think the Founders fucked up when they wrote the 2nd Amendment.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:19:49pm

re: #34 Eclectic Cyborg

I am just going to go ahead and say I think the Founders fucked up when they wrote the 2nd Amendment.

True, but they probably never thought we’d get this stupid.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:20:15pm

re: #28 Blind Frog Belly White

Oh, for fuck’s sake!

Yeah, but we HEAVILY regulate and license cars, and even more heavily regulate explosives. Is that what you’re advocating for firearms?

Dear ‘Being Libertarian’ - being libertarian isn’t synonymous with being stupid.

Not necessarily, anyway.

We also punish people who serve excessive amounts of alcohol to drunk drivers.
Should do the same for guns and ammunition sales?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:20:36pm

re: #33 lawhawk

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Oh go fuck yourself, you whiny little shit.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:21:26pm

re: #30 The Vicious Babushka

Who is this mother fucker?

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SPLC? That’s not fair. This is CNN’s fault! ///

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freetoken  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:22:21pm

re: #34 Eclectic Cyborg

I am just going to go ahead and say I think the Founders fucked up when they wrote the 2nd Amendment.

The problem again is that the Constitution was a compromise. And it came after the first attempt at a national government failed.

Ultimately it is an 18th century document written by some men who were ahead of their time compared to the fellow colonists but who still couldn’t imagine what the 21st century would be like.

Our Constitution can be amended, so in theory this is all fixable.

The real problem is the gun fetish cult is now deeply intertwined with the Jesus cult, and the two of them steer our national politics.

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:22:23pm

re: #28 Blind Frog Belly White

Oh, for fuck’s sake!

Yeah, but we HEAVILY regulate and license cars, and even more heavily regulate explosives. Is that what you’re advocating for firearms?

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Dear ‘Being Libertarian’ - being libertarian isn’t synonymous with being stupid.

Not necessarily, anyway.

If someone in the US bombed others, we’d make sure no one could get to a bomber again.

We’re building cars that react to conditions without the driver’s awareness.

So, yes, we should do something about guns.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:22:34pm

re: #38 Barefoot Grin

SPLC? That’s not fair. This is CNN’s fault! ///

No, you’re both wrong. It’s those damn NFL players and their kneeling and calls for nonviolence fault.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:22:55pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:22:56pm

re: #35 Blind Frog Belly White

True, but they probably never thought we’d get this stupid.

Nor did they realize the kinds of weapons we’d come to own. The whole point of the Amendment was so that people who own guns could supplement the military in times of major conflict.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:24:34pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:24:55pm

re: #43 Eclectic Cyborg

Nor did they realize the kinds of weapons we’d come to own. The whole point of the Amendment was so that people who own guns could supplement the military in times of major conflict.

WUZ NOT!! IT WAS SO PATREEITS CUD FIGHT AGAINST TYRANEEE!

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Ace Rothstein  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:25:11pm

re: #43 Eclectic Cyborg

politico.com

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:25:21pm

re: #44 Charles Johnson

Apparently it’s miraculous that he was only able to shoot 500 people.

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:26:05pm

And they never thought we’d worship their document, much less a characature of it.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:26:13pm

re: #31 nines09

Jim Roberts
@nycjim

Steve Scalise says that getting shot strengthened his support of gun rights & the 2nd amendment. Yes, he said that.

If Scalise were bitten by a snake, he’d sign up with Thulsa Doom.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:26:17pm

re: #44 Charles Johnson

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Honest to god, I’m waiting for him to say, “This was the BIGGEST mass shooting! People tell me it’s really amazing!! Nobody’s seen carnage like this!!”

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freetoken  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:26:22pm

re: #43 Eclectic Cyborg

The whole point of the Amendment was so that people who own guns could supplement the military in times of major conflict.

The early nation didn’t really have much of a military. Indeed, the US Military Academy wasn’t even found until right after the start of the 19th century.

I agree that the 2A really is about militias as envisioned each State would keep such. But alas, the gun fetish cult has been so deeply entrenched in America that the historical perspective is totally lost.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:26:24pm

re: #44 Charles Johnson

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Worst shooting in U.S. history and he’s talking about miracles? Fucking fuck.

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freetoken  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:27:17pm

re: #52 HappyWarrior

Worst shooting in U.S. history and he’s talking about miracles? Fucking fuck.

The gun fetish cult is now very entwined with the Jesus cult.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:27:19pm

re: #44 Charles Johnson

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The blown out hotel windows were also kinda of a huge clue…

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:27:36pm

re: #1 Ace Rothstein

I’ll just leave this here.

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Because he’s a jerk with zero empathy.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:28:08pm

As a NY Mets fan, I am happy to announce, with 1 out in the top half of the first inning and runners on 3rd & 2nd, the Twins lead the Yankees 3-0, and NY is pulling their starting pitcher after 29 pitches

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:28:32pm

re: #50 Blind Frog Belly White

Honest to god, I’m waiting for him to say, “This was the BIGGEST mass shooting! People tell me it’s really amazing!! Nobody’s seen carnage like this!!”

tomorrow will be truly cringe-worthy as he tries to be not-reptilian in his comments…

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EPR-radar  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:28:39pm

re: #31 nines09

Did the NRA have to bribe Scalise for this little performance, or is he just that much of a rabid ideologue?

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:29:10pm

re: #54 Backwoods_Sleuth

The blown out hotel windows were also kinda of a huge clue…

And the smoke detectors went off because of all the smoke in his room. Hey, maybe it’s that one!

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EPR-radar  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:29:23pm

re: #34 Eclectic Cyborg

I am just going to go ahead and say I think the Founders fucked up when they wrote the 2nd Amendment.

It simply has to be repealed.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:30:02pm

re: #7 Scout

In the previous thread, people were discussing a U.N. resolution that would condemn use of death penalty to target LGBTQ people.

Eclectic Cyborg mentioned Japan, like the U.S., voted against it.

Don’t take this as gospel, because it’s just supposition on my part, but I think Japan voted against it because the death penalty is still used here and the government doesn’t want anything chipping away at it.

While there are activists campaigning to end capital punishment, opinion polls indicate it remains generally popular with the public.

That surprised me. Japan seems like such an advanced country that I’d never have guessed that it still has something as barbaric as the death penalty.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:30:54pm

re: #61 Patricia Kayden

That surprised me. Japan seems like such an advanced country that I’d never have guessed that it still has something as barbaric as the death penalty.

Japan is a very complicated country in a lot of ways. In many ways not for good.

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:31:18pm

Can’t wait for the wingnuts to tell me I don’t understand silencers. Making the shooter harder to locate is literally what they are designed for.

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William Lewis  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:31:30pm

re: #22 goddamnedfrank

I keep thinking lately of Hannah Arendt’s Eichmann in Jerusalem: A Report on the Banality of Evil lately. Her concept of the banality of evil is often misunderstood to mean that the kind of monstrosity exhibited by the nazi’s could be performed by anybody. Instead what she meant was that Eichmann was a type of person who wasn’t sick so much as just unremarkably stupid. That this stupidity is what drove virtually all of his decision making and that the evil of the nazis wasn’t in the hearts of everyone but that the capacity for it also wasn’t exactly rare.

I think it’s also important to remember the flip side of Eichmann:

First there was Reinhard Heydrich who was a brilliant and viscous individual without whom the final solution would have never been half so efficient. It was a horrific price that was paid after his assassination but I have always wondered what might have been had he lived and I can’t help but think the world got off light in the exchange.

The other one I’d mention in this context is Heinz Heydrich, Reinhard’s younger brother. To quote from Wiki: “Heinz Heydrich was an Obersturmführer (lieutenant), journalist and publisher of the soldiers’ newspaper, Die Panzerfaust. He was at first a fervent admirer of Hitler. But before Reinhard Heydrich’s State funeral in Berlin in June 1942, Heinz Heydrich had been given a large packet containing his brother’s files, released from his strongbox at Gestapo Headquarters, 8 Prinz-Albrecht-Strasse, Berlin. Heinz had shut himself away in his room with the papers. Next morning his wife noticed that her husband had sat up all night burning the documents from the package. Heinz, on leave from the front, could not be engaged in conversation, his wife remembered; he seemed to be elsewhere mentally, and like stone. The files in the package were probably Reinhard Heydrich’s personal files, from which Heinz Heydrich understood for the first time in all its enormity the systematic extermination of the Jews, the so-called Final Solution.[4] Thereafter, Heinz Heydrich helped many Jews escape by forging identity documents and printing them on Die Panzerfaust presses.” Not everyone could ignore then effects of their willful stupidity and could, in the end, find that place where he had to say no. It’s rather like what Camus said, “What is a rebel? Someone who says no. But saying no does not mean giving up: it also means saying yes, with every gesture.” He would later commit suicide when he thought he had been caught but still, in the meantime, he did what little he could to negate his brother’s masterpiece.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:31:39pm

re: #61 Patricia Kayden

That surprised me. Japan seems like such an advanced country that I’d never have guessed that it still has something as barbaric as the death penalty.

Scout is right. The US and Japan are, I believe, the only first-world democracies that still execute people. Japan does it by hanging in quiet without notice to the public.

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EPR-radar  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:32:07pm

re: #51 freetoken

The early nation didn’t really have much of a military. Indeed, the US Military Academy wasn’t even found until right after the start of the 19th century.

I agree that the 2A really is about militias as envisioned each State would keep such. But alas, the gun fetish cult has been so deeply entrenched in America that the historical perspective is totally lost.

It’s also ludicrous to believe the founders intended a universal individual RKBA with the second amendment. The ambiguous militia language was put in there precisely to allow states a license to decide which people got the right and which didn’t.

Edited to add: I’m not a fan of originalist legal theory, so this is pointed out mainly to show that originalism can’t be used to support something like the Heller decision.

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lawhawk  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:32:34pm

re: #44 Charles Johnson

He uses miracle in quotes. It’s like even he can’t buy the bullshit he’s selling.

And those quotes suggest that the LVPD should have done it faster? WTF.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:32:43pm

re: #64 William Lewis

I think it’s also important to remember the flip side of Eichmann:

First there was Reinhard Heydrich who was a brilliant and viscous individual without whom the final solution would have never been half so efficient. It was a horrific price that was paid after his assassination but I have always wondered what might have been had he lived and I can’t help but think the world got off light in the exchange.

The other one I’d mention in this context is Heinz Heydrich, Reinhard’s younger brother. To quote from Wiki: “Heinz Heydrich was an Obersturmführer (lieutenant), journalist and publisher of the soldiers’ newspaper, Die Panzerfaust. He was at first a fervent admirer of Hitler. But before Reinhard Heydrich’s State funeral in Berlin in June 1942, Heinz Heydrich had been given a large packet containing his brother’s files, released from his strongbox at Gestapo Headquarters, 8 Prinz-Albrecht-Strasse, Berlin. Heinz had shut himself away in his room with the papers. Next morning his wife noticed that her husband had sat up all night burning the documents from the package. Heinz, on leave from the front, could not be engaged in conversation, his wife remembered; he seemed to be elsewhere mentally, and like stone. The files in the package were probably Reinhard Heydrich’s personal files, from which Heinz Heydrich understood for the first time in all its enormity the systematic extermination of the Jews, the so-called Final Solution.[4] Thereafter, Heinz Heydrich helped many Jews escape by forging identity documents and printing them on Die Panzerfaust presses.” Not everyone could ignore then effects of their willful stupidity and could, in the end, find that place where he had to say no. It’s rather like what Camus said, “What is a rebel? Someone who says no. But saying no does not mean giving up: it also means saying yes, with every gesture.” He would later commit suicide when he thought he had been caught but still, in the meantime, he did what little he could to negate his brother’s masterpiece.

Heydrich quite honestly is the Nazi that terrifies the most. No regard at all for human life.

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nines09  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:33:37pm

re: #49 Decatur Deb

This is the logic that guides idiots. They are all around us and me and you. Ask someone what would happen if they didn’t have the best available healthcare and a fucking contingent of bodyguards and communications and a fast ride to save his ass. Sorry…Your destination is…Too far away….bitch.
Motherfucker is too kind.

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lawhawk  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:34:47pm

re: #63 Ace-o-aces

And if it turns out that the shooter had a mental illness… it would be a weird coincidence that Trump had made it easier for the mentally ill to get guns too.

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nines09  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:35:01pm

re: #58 EPR-radar

Did the NRA have to bribe Scalise for this little performance, or is he just that much of a rabid ideologue?

Once you drink the formula, you are the formula, and will be the formula. Shit for brains probably doesn’t even know how lucky his ass is.
But yes, he’s paid.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:35:56pm

re: #70 lawhawk

And if it turns out that the shooter had a mental illness… it would be a weird coincidence that Trump had made it easier for the mentally ill to get guns too.

When has that ever stopped him?

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Scout  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:35:57pm

re: #62 HappyWarrior

Japan is a very complicated country in a lot of ways. In many ways not for good.

Yep. Just like America, and Canada, and Mexico, and every other country that has ever existed in the history of the world.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:36:37pm

re: #73 Scout

Yep. Just like America, and Canada, and Mexico, and every other country that has ever existed in the history of the world.

Oh certainly. Wasn’t trying to single out Japan in the slightest.

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Ace Rothstein  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:38:21pm
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Scout  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:39:38pm

re: #74 HappyWarrior

Oh certainly. Wasn’t trying to single out Japan in the slightest.

I get defensive sometimes. (Not a good trait.)

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:39:38pm

I was just listening to “The World” with Marco Weirman (sp?). He interview the NYT’s expert on ISIS who said she thinks it’s likely that ISIS is so far down in its depth chart that they are making the kind of claims they never did before. It would be a huge outlier to have a 64yo white man somehow converted. But, she said, you cannot count out the possibility. She noted that they have been shown to go to great lengths to confirm that acts are done in their name for credibility’s sake. That gave me the shivers. 59 people are dead; it shouldn’t matter. But in our political climate the extreme right can live on this for years. So far, the FBI says, “No evidence; no dice.” Just hoping nothing comes to light.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:40:32pm

re: #75 Ace Rothstein

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And he’s got Hannity sharts in his shorts.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:40:35pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:40:47pm

re: #76 Scout

I get defensive sometimes. (Not a good trait.)

No sweat.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:41:22pm

re: #44 Charles Johnson

So he had Multiple Personality Syndrome and his “Good Guy With A Gun” personality was able to overpower and shoot his “Bad Guy With A Gun” personality.

Oh crap did I just make up an excuse for mentally ill people to have guns?

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:42:04pm

re: #38 Barefoot Grin

SPLC? That’s not fair. This is CNN’s fault! ///

No, no, no. It’s Obama’s fault.

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nines09  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:42:09pm

re: #75 Ace Rothstein

Wait until he tries to pass Sean Hannity…….

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:43:13pm

re: #83 nines09

Wait until he tries to pass Sean Hannity…….

Talk about literally being full of shit.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:44:11pm

re: #50 Blind Frog Belly White

Honest to god, I’m waiting for him to say, “This was the BIGGEST mass shooting! People tell me it’s really amazing!! Nobody’s seen carnage like this!!”

He may just say that tomorrow while he’s in Las Vegas. Wouldn’t be surprising at all.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:45:39pm

Hey, but Jacob Wohl told me that Trump will get 3 Million votes in PR in 2020 because he was so great!

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:46:04pm
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ipsos  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:46:14pm

re: #33 lawhawk

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We’re on EDT right now, not EST, Lumpy, you moron.

(And yes, I was tempted to nitpick the same mistake from the Petty family in their statement about his death, but Tom Petty was awesome and Lumpy is Lumpy.)

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danarchy  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:47:06pm

re: #44 Charles Johnson

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To be fair to the police, according to the timeline I saw the police were outside his room about 16 minutes after the initial call but the shooting had already stopped and they were told not to enter until SWAT arrived.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:47:29pm

Update on the ‘Being Libertarian’ thing from above - they’r trying to tell me that guns are MORE regulated than cars or bombs, because you can by diesel and Ammonium Nitrate fertilizer. Oh, and you can’t take your gun to school.

I pointed out that you can’t take your car into the school, either.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:47:54pm

re: #56 FormerDirtDart

As a NY Mets fan, I am happy to announce, with 1 out in the top half of the first inning and runners on 3rd & 2nd, the Twins lead the Yankees 3-0, and NY is pulling their starting pitcher after 29 pitches

I cheered to soon. With 1 out in the bottom half of the first inning the score is now tied, 3-3

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:49:28pm

re: #90 Blind Frog Belly White

Update on the ‘Being Libertarian’ thing from above - they’r trying to tell me that guns are MORE regulated than cars or bombs, because you can by diesel and Ammonium Nitrate fertilizer. Oh, and you can’t take your gun to school.

I pointed out that you can’t take your car into the school, either.

These people are so fucking dense. If I didn’t know better, I’d swear it was intentional.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:50:12pm

re: #91 FormerDirtDart

I cheered to soon. With 1 out in the bottom half of the first inning the score is now tied, 3-3

Yeah. Could be a slugfest tonight. I have to say though. These Yankees aren’t as easy to hate as the old ones.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:50:22pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:51:00pm

re: #46 Ace Rothstein

Thanks, great read!

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:51:26pm

I think wrenchwench will like this one

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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:51:51pm

re: #89 danarchy

That’s why I said it took more than an hour. It was about 72 minutes until they entered the room and he had killed himself long before.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:51:57pm

thread:

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:51:58pm

re: #94 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

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You see Betty White’s take. Betty’s sending her thoughts and prayers to Congresspeople against sensible gun laws. Thoughts: They should do something. Praying: That they get defeated for re-election. I love that lady. I hope if I make it that far, I’m as sharp witted as her.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:52:26pm

re: #98 Backwoods_Sleuth

thread:

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The party of life y’all.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:52:33pm

re: #96 FormerDirtDart

I think wrenchwench will like this one

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They make $3000 fixed-gear bikes? I wouldn’t be surprised, but….

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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:53:41pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:53:48pm

re: #92 HappyWarrior

These people are so fucking dense. If I didn’t know better, I’d swear it was intentional.

To gunfuckers, ANY limitation is oppression. This was not always the case. They’ve actually grown MORE extreme over time, even as guns have grown more lethal and in many ways, rules have become more lax. I mean, more and more states and localities are allowing open and concealed carry, for example.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:54:35pm

re: #103 Blind Frog Belly White

To gunfuckers, ANY limitation is oppression. This was not always the case. They’ve actually grown MORE extreme over time, even as guns have grown more lethal and in many ways, rules have become more lax. I mean, more and more states and localities are allowing open and concealed carry, for example.

Yep.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:54:49pm

newyorker.com

“Ginsburg slaps Gorsuch,” is the headline. But the subtext is that a justice who is nearly too old to serve is barely keeping the fight for voting rights alive in the face of an increasingly reactionary Supreme Court.

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nines09  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:55:23pm

re: #96 FormerDirtDart

What do you call a $3000.00 bike?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:55:52pm

re: #105 Barefoot Grin

newyorker.com

“Ginsburg slaps Gorsuch,” is the headline. But the subtext is that a justice who is nearly too old to serve is barely keeping the fight for voting rights alive in the face of an increasingly reactionary Supreme Court.

I really hope she can hold on. I don’t know if I can handle another Scalia clone.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:56:45pm

Goat break…

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:58:54pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:59:44pm

Small world story. Can’t believe it myself.
I had this neighbor who would sit outside and write music. He would play the songs or the bits he was working on over and over. There was this incident where a lady fell in the pool who couldn’t swim. This guy jumped in, swam under her and pushed her by the feet to the edge. Anyway we became friends, I sold him the diamond for his first marriage. When his band played local I would sometimes get in there with my camera.

Bryan Hopkins.
(CNN)Bryan Hopkins hid in a freezer with dozens of others while the deadliest mass shooting in US history unfolded in Las Vegas late Sunday night. On Monday morning, he described his experience on CNN’s “Newsroom.”

Hopkins, a musical artist who had been at the Route 91 Harvest Festival, said the gunfire, which was later revealed to be coming from the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay hotel, was “constant.”

These People Took Shelter Inside a Giant Freezer to Hide From Las Vegas Gunman

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The Ghost of a Flea  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:00:12pm

re: #22 goddamnedfrank

I’m reading this: Prophets of Deceit, Lowenthal and Guterman, 1949

I’m only two chapters in, but you might find it interesting.

I agree with you about people under-estimating stupidity, though. The Nazis in particular have been carefully re-written as almost supernatural in their malevolence and Svengali-like ability to compel…but they fucking weren’t any of that. Even the “smart” Nazis had glaring blind spots (most having the exact same blind spot: Hitler being a manbaby with a plan as thin as the plot of a dime-store western). You had regular stupid, little-cruel men happy to roll along as long as they were allowed to feel “good,” interspersed with a few clever, crueler men with enough competence to make the rough beast slouch for a years before shitting itself dead.

But at this point…I think that’s deliberate. Making the Nazis scraped-off-the-celluloid baddies covers for so much of the larger fucked-up-ness of Eurasia—the colonialism, the anti-Semitism—and ducks around awkward self-reflection. But it also deflects attention from another possible lesson of Nazi Germany: the fragility of democratic, and even human, norms. A few sociopaths and narcissists slotted into the correct positions tilted the whole fucking system…in no small part because a bunch of tunnel-visioned twats thought they could put a yoke on the nutters and make bank, but also because of a larger group of people who assumed they couldn’t be serious, that at any moment someone clever would come along and make it stop.

It’s easier to invent monsters than concede that our factory-setting basic flaws can add up to unspeakable things.

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nines09  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:01:34pm
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Mike Lamb  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:02:07pm

re: #97 Charles Johnson

That’s why I said it took more than an hour. It was about 72 minutes until they entered the room and he had killed himself long before.

It was fortunate that Paddock panicked and offed himself quickly. Could’ve been much worse.

And meanwhile, Brian Fischer thinks some armed guests should’ve broken into the room and taken him down.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:03:14pm

re: #113 Mike Lamb

It was fortunate that Paddock panicked and offed himself quickly. Could’ve been much worse.

And meanwhile, Brian Fischer thinks some armed guests should’ve broken into the room and taken him down.

Which shows you Fischer knows as much about crisis situations as he does about politics and Christianity. Maybe he should find a new calling.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:05:29pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:05:29pm

re: #113 Mike Lamb

I’m not sure he panicked. I’m waiting to see if this turns into the biggest suicide by cop / twisted grab for fame thing. Waiting to see, not saying that was it.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:06:01pm

It’d be nice if someone were just honest- I don’t know what I’d do in that situation and I’m in no position to criticize the victims at all. But no we have armchair tough guys like that dipshit from Breitbart who said people should get on a tredmill if they want to avoid these.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:10:34pm

re: #101 Barefoot Grin

They make $3000 fixed-gear bikes? I wouldn’t be surprised, but….

3 grand is for their Electrified S, which has a 250W front-wheel motor and 418Wh battery

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VegasGolfer  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:10:35pm

Dam I didn’t know lumpy was in town, I would’ve went down there and heckled him.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:12:04pm

re: #110 Unshaken Defiance

Small world story. Can’t believe it myself.
I had this neighbor who would sit outside and write music. He would play the songs or the bits he was working on over and over. There was this incident where a lady fell in the pool who couldn’t swim. This guy jumped in, swam under her and pushed her by the feet to the edge. Anyway we became friends, I sold him the diamond for his first marriage. When his band played local I would sometimes get in there with my camera.

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He was on CNN yesterday? today? Funky side burns. Very cool guy . Lucky & heroic.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:13:09pm

re: #113 Mike Lamb

It was fortunate that Paddock panicked and offed himself quickly. Could’ve been much worse.

And meanwhile, Brian Fischer thinks some armed guests should’ve broken into the room and taken him down.

Just like I said downstairs:

Just play out the scneario:

You’re Joe American with a CCW and a handgun on you. You happen to be on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay and know there is an active shooter at the end of the hall.

So you decide to make the decision to try and stop him (boneheaded, I know but let’s just go with this).

Obviously the shooter isn’t going to let you in to the room. Trying to shoot through the wall isn’t the best idea. The easiest way would be to break through the door.

Even if you somehow manage to do this (guess what? Most hotel doors are pretty thick) , you’ve lost the element of surprise. If the shooter is armed to the teeth with automatic weapons, all he has to do is turn around and spray the doorway with gunfire as soon as you bust in. Then you’re down before you can even aim and pull the trigger and he can go back to his killing spree.

Being able to squeeze a shot off in time and hit him would be a minor miracle. Getting a shot off that incapacitates him would be a once in a lifetime stroke of good luck.

You have much better odds of winning the jackpot at most slot machines in Vegas than coming out of this scenario anything other than dead.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:13:36pm

re: #111 The Ghost of a Flea

I’m reading this: Prophets of Deceit, Lowenthal and Guterman, 1949

I’m only two chapters in, but you might find it interesting.

I agree with you about people under-estimating stupidity, though. The Nazis in particular have been carefully re-written as almost supernatural in their malevolence and Svengali-like ability to compel…but they fucking weren’t any of that. Even the “smart” Nazis had glaring blind spots (most having the exact same blind spot: Hitler being a manbaby with a plan as thin as the plot of a dime-store western). You had regular stupid, little-cruel men happy to roll along as long as they were allowed to feel “good,” interspersed with a few clever, crueler men with enough competence to make the rough beast slouch for a years before shitting itself dead.

But at this point…I think that’s deliberate. Making the Nazis scraped-off-the-celluloid baddies covers for so much of the larger fucked-up-ness of Eurasia—the colonialism, the anti-Semitism—and ducks around awkward self-reflection. But it also deflects attention from another possible lesson of Nazi Germany: the fragility of democratic, and even human, norms. A few sociopaths and narcissists slotted into the correct positions tilted the whole fucking system…in no small part because a bunch of tunnel-visioned twats thought they could put a yoke on the nutters and make bank, but also because of a larger group of people who assumed they couldn’t be serious, that at any moment someone clever would come along and make it stop.

It’s easier to invent monsters than concede that our factory-setting basic flaws can add up to unspeakable things.

The Older Boy is taking a Psych class, and one of his assignments required him to watch a Ted Talk given by Philip Zimbardo, the researcher who did the Stanford Prison Experiment back in 1971. Zimbardo discussed Abu Ghraib in the context of both his experiment and the Milgram experiments. His point was that it really doesn’t take much to make the average person do really bad shit, and of course he also discussed Germany and the Nazis in this context.

Of course I’d learned about both the Milgram and Stanford studies years before, but this, combined with a further 40 years of observation of humanity, makes it a lot easier to understand how Hitler happened, and, sadly, how Trump happened.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:14:14pm

Press conference just now confirmed that none of Paddock’s guns were modified beyond the addition of legal bump fire stocks on twelve of the rifles.

Don’t expect the Republicans do a damned thing.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:14:58pm

re: #79 FormerDirtDart

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lawhawk  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:15:07pm

Where’s that image of the “Can’t Even” scale…

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A Cranky One  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:15:17pm

During a visit to Nashville, I was leaving a Chinese restaurant with my wife, mom and daughter. Young guy walks by between 2 female companions. As they passed, I noticed he was wearing a belt holster with a semi-auto handgun.

Surprised even myself by exclaiming in a loud voice “Man, that guy must have a really small penis!”

My wife, mom and daughter all laughed. As did the guy’s companions. Earned me a very dirty look. ;-)

And maybe, just maybe, the guy may get the clue that when people see him wearing a gun they aren’t thinking he’s “manly”.

Since then I’ve made comments to others wearing guns in public places. May not be the smartest thing to do, but dammit, many are putting others in danger. Yes, it’s possible to wear a weapon if the person is truly responsible. But every time I read a report about a gun “accidentally” going off in a public place and then learn the idiot had a round in the chamber and a gun with no safety I realize that, like with anything else, a lot of people are idiots and not to be trusted.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:15:25pm

re: #56 FormerDirtDart

As a NY Mets fan, I am happy to announce, with 1 out in the top half of the first inning and runners on 3rd & 2nd, the Twins lead the Yankees 3-0, and NY is pulling their starting pitcher after 29 pitches

Do you have an update on the score?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:15:26pm

re: #123 goddamnedfrank

Press conference just now confirmed that none of Paddock’s guns were modified beyond the addition of legal bump fire stocks on twelve of the rifles.

Don’t expect the Republicans do a damned thing.

More blood for the liberty tree.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:15:46pm

“We will be talking about gun laws as time goes by,” Mr. Trump said as he prepared to leave Washington

he says things, and the press reports them, since he’s the president of the united states, but everybody knows by now that he’s just an irrelevant clown we are forced to deal with for the duration

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:15:54pm

re: #125 lawhawk

Where’s that image of the “Can’t Even” scale…

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Why have laws at all! Criminals are just going to break them.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:16:10pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:16:21pm

re: #127 I Would Prefer Not To

Do you have an update on the score?

4-3 Yanks now. Gardner just hit a home run.

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Cheechako  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:17:32pm

I’ll bet $5 that the manufacturer of bump stocks completely sold out all their supply today.

Get’em while you still can.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:17:33pm

No, laws don’t always prevent criminals from breaking them but they do reduce crime. If I knew, I could get away with shoplifting, i probably would and so would many people.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:18:13pm

re: #125 lawhawk

Where’s that image of the “Can’t Even” scale…

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this “criminals would just break the law” argument is my personal nomination for stupidest and easiest to refute wingnut talking point of all time

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:18:14pm

re: #121 Eclectic Cyborg

Don’t be silly! CCW carriers are endowed with superhuman powers of wisdom, strength, and accuracy! You’d know exactly which door to kick down, it would yield to your first kick, and you’d immediately see and shoot the assailant, in a darkened room after just being in the lighted hall. Easy-peasy!
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This morning, I heard some gunfucker on the radio, when asked what we can do to prevent future attacks like this, start by talking about Gun-Free Zones.

GUN FREE ZONES?!?!?! With the shooter 400 yards away?!?!?

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Stanley Sea  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:18:29pm

re: #126 A Cranky One

During a visit to Nashville, I was leaving a Chinese restaurant with my wife, mom and daughter. Young guy walks by between 2 female companions. As they passed, I noticed he was wearing a belt holster with a semi-auto handgun.

Surprised even myself by exclaiming in a loud voice “Man, that guy must have a really small penis!”

My wife, mom and daughter all laughed. As did the guy’s companions. Earned me a very dirty look. ;-)

And maybe, just maybe, the guy may get the clue that when people see him wearing a gun they aren’t thinking he’s “manly”.

Since then I’ve made comments to others wearing guns in public places. May not be the smartest thing to do, but dammit, many are putting others in danger. Yes, it’s possible to wear a weapon if the person is truly responsible. But every time I read a report about a gun “accidentally” going off in a public place and then learn the idiot had a round in the chamber and a gun with no safety I realize that, like with anything else, a lot of people are idiots and not to be trusted.

I’m in the bar of a restaurant & just spewed out loud.

Thanks.

& thanks for calling him out.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:19:50pm

re: #136 Blind Frog Belly White

Don’t be silly! CCW carriers are endowed with superhuman powers of wisdom, strength, and accuracy! You’d know exactly which door to kick down, it would yield to your first kick, and you’d immediately see and shoot the assailant, in a darkened room after just being in the lighted hall. Easy-peasy!
////////////////

This morning, I heard some gunfucker on the radio, when asked what we can do to prevent future attacks like this, start by talking about Gun-Free Zones.

GUN FREE ZONES?!?!?! With the shooter 400 yards away?!?!?

They’re so goddamn idiotic. I think they’re actually convinced by their own bullshit.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:19:52pm

So he basically had TWELVE fully automatic assault rifles.

This country is fucking insane to allow this.

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ipsos  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:20:03pm

Trumpitis is apparently contagious. Watching the LV Metro newser on TV and…why in the actual fsck did the cop have to announce that they were going to show the bodycam footage on “our new and very large-screen TV”?!?!?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:20:27pm

re: #139 Charles Johnson

So he basically had TWELVE fully automatic assault rifles.

This country is fucking insane to allow this.

It is. It really is. There is NO reason why a civilian should own these.

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nines09  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:20:41pm

re: #123 goddamnedfrank

Listen to the videos.Bump stocks can do that, but now….. it’s a moot point? I think he sprayed, then picked off. With that gear, how can you miss? Shoot, toss, move, toss…reup..shoot toss…
I would have called one or two modded, but then again….I can bring up a PDF in 5 seconds on a full auto mod to about 8 different weapons. You can too.
So it was all bump/rubber bands? Yeah…

“Completely legal”……

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:21:23pm

re: #128 HappyWarrior

More blood for the liberty tree.

I knew those things were a fucking problem but I underestimated exactly how much. I’ve never seen one in person because they’re illegal here and always heard they were more of a gimmick and not used by serious gun enthusiasts because the movement tends to ruin accuracy. Clearly they were ideally suited for Paddock’s indiscriminate assault on the crowd and should never have been allowed.

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EPR-radar  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:22:43pm

re: #107 HappyWarrior

I really hope she can hold on. I don’t know if I can handle another Scalia clone.

If Ginsberg leaves SCOTUS, the RWNJ replacement will end Roe v Wade. After that, the shit will really hit the fan.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:22:44pm

re: #143 goddamnedfrank

I knew those things were a fucking problem but I underestimated exactly how much. I’ve never seen one in person because they’re illegal here and always heard they were more of a gimmick and not used by serious gun enthusiasts because the movement tends to ruin accuracy. Clearly they were ideally suited for Paddock’s indiscriminate assault on the crowd and should never have been allowed.

The combat purpose I assume is for close combat right? I can’t imagine any reason why a civilian would need one of these.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:23:02pm

re: #144 EPR-radar

If Ginsberg leaves SCOTUS, the RWNJ replacement will end Roe v Wade. After that, the shit will really hit the fan.

I know. Not just Roe but a lot of other important decisions too.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:24:09pm
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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:24:24pm

i don’t dare look, but i imagine outer wingnuttia is working overtime to describe the gunman as “a leftist”

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danarchy  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:24:48pm

re: #145 HappyWarrior

The combat purpose I assume is for close combat right? I can’t imagine any reason why a civilian would need one of these.

There is no combat reason for them. The police or military would never use the things as they can get actual automatics. The sole purpose is to circumvent the letter of the law.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:25:09pm

re: #143 goddamnedfrank

I knew those things were a fucking problem but I underestimated exactly how much. I’ve never seen one in person because they’re illegal here and always heard they were more of a gimmick and not used by serious gun enthusiasts because the movement tends to ruin accuracy. Clearly they were ideally suited for Paddock’s indiscriminate assault on the crowd and should never have been allowed.

You can produce a sloppy “bump stock” effect without the hardware. Not going to say how.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:25:14pm

My 3rd degree separation victim made it to the WaPo page of memorial.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:25:56pm

re: #149 danarchy

There is no combat reason for them. The police or military would never use the things as they can get actual automatics. The sole purpose is to circumvent the letter of the law.

Gotcha thanks.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:26:09pm

re: #145 HappyWarrior

The combat purpose I assume is for close combat right? I can’t imagine any reason why a civilian would need one of these.

Military and LE don’t need them either—they can have legal full auto.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:26:17pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:26:56pm

So, the thing about the bump stocks is that the gunfuckers will now say “See, he didn’t have fully automatic weapons!”, even though on Sunday night they were all saying ‘if you listen to the audio, it’s clearly automatic weapons fire!’

Oh, but that’s when they thought it was ISIS, not some old white guy with a gun fetish. Now they’ll retreat to ‘It’s not fully automatic, it’s a bump stock. You gungrabbers are so ignorant!’.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:27:56pm

re: #150 Decatur Deb

You can produce a sloppy “bump stock” effect without the hardware. Not going to say how.

Yeah I had the same thought. Also assume that plans to 3D print the parts and assemble them with easily available springs are on the internet now or about to be.

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I cannot.  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:28:09pm

re: #145 HappyWarrior

A rifle is simply the wrong weapon for close combat as far as I can tell

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MsJ  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:28:16pm

Someone asked for this.

Even chart
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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:28:40pm

re: #148 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i don’t dare look, but i imagine outer wingnuttia is working overtime to describe the gunman as “a leftist”

This started within minutes of the news breaking.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:29:12pm

re: #155 Blind Frog Belly White

So, the thing about the bump stocks is that the gunfuckers will now say “See, he didn’t have fully automatic weapons!”, even though on Sunday night they were all saying ‘if you listen to the audio, it’s clearly automatic weapons fire!’

Oh, but that’s when they thought it was ISIS, not some old white guy with a gun fetish. Now they’ll retreat to ‘It’s not fully automatic, it’s a bump stock. You gungrabbers are so ignorant!’.

Said it earlier but I really hated it when someone we used to know did that. I admit it. I don’t have an encyclopedic knowledge of guns but I think even a gun simpleton like me knows that these things are designed to kill quickly and rapidly. Totally different from that rifle you’re using against the animal you’re hunting or that possible intruder.

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nines09  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:29:25pm

re: #150 Decatur Deb

Hacksaw, glue and a rubber band…

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:29:34pm

re: #157 I cannot.

A rifle is simply the wrong weapon for close combat as far as I can tell

Not sure.

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EPR-radar  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:30:05pm

re: #155 Blind Frog Belly White

So, the thing about the bump stocks is that the gunfuckers will now say “See, he didn’t have fully automatic weapons!”, even though on Sunday night they were all saying ‘if you listen to the audio, it’s clearly automatic weapons fire!’

Oh, but that’s when they thought it was ISIS, not some old white guy with a gun fetish. Now they’ll retreat to ‘It’s not fully automatic, it’s a bump stock. You gungrabbers are so ignorant!’.

My standing reply to technical pedantry relating to guns is this: “I don’t know a damn thing about gun technology. What I do know is that we have way too many guns in the US, and way too much death and destruction as a direct result of having way too many guns in the US.”

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The Spite House  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:30:13pm

re: #158 MsJ

This is perfect.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:30:15pm

re: #159 Charles Johnson

This started within minutes of the news breaking.

My own brother was spreading the registered Democrat crap. He stopped when I pointed it out though.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:30:45pm

re: #163 EPR-radar

My standing reply to technical pedantry relating to guns is this: “I don’t know a damn thing about gun technology. What I do know is that we have way too many guns in the US, and way too much death and destruction as a direct result of having way too many guns in the US.”

Damn straight.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:32:00pm

4 all in New York on a bases loaded FC.

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austin_blue  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:32:11pm

re: #139 Charles Johnson

So he basically had TWELVE fully automatic assault rifles.

This country is fucking insane to allow this.

With 100 round magazines.

It’s all about the mags.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:32:14pm

[Can’t find this tweet right now: twitter.com ]

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whitebeach  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:33:33pm

re: #158 MsJ

Someone asked for this.

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And then there’s “I literally can’t even fucking begin to,” which is how I wake up most days. And go to bed too.

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lawhawk  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:35:00pm

re: #154 FormerDirtDart

Hush little baby, and don’t say a word.
And never mind that noise you heard.

It’s just the NRA under your bed.
In your Congress.
All to put bullets in your head….

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nines09  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:36:14pm

Simple and legal. It’s the weapon and the magazines…

Off I go…

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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:38:45pm
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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:39:35pm

re: #128 HappyWarrior

More blood for the liberty tree.

Just to be clear. When the gun nuts talk about “blood for the liberty tree” they aren’t talking about their own blood, but about the blood shed by liberals and non-whites because those people dared to oppose them.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:40:28pm

clickhole.com

5 Ways To Honor The Victims Of The Las Vegas Shooting Without Being Disrespectful To The NRA

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plansbandc  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:41:16pm

re: #67 lawhawk

Yeah, except he has zero idea what quotation marks mean.

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Jay C  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:41:44pm

re: #121 Eclectic Cyborg

re: #136 Blind Frog Belly White

I haven’t seen it mentioned here, so I’ll chime in to say that I saw a report on TV this evening that Stephen Paddock (or somebody - they are assuming it was him) had secreted a small webcam - on a food cart in the hallway of the Mandalay Bay - so that (as they are surmising) he would be able to see anybody “sneaking” up on him from the hall.
So so much for the Internet Tough Guys’ “bust in and heroically stop him” BS: a heavily-armed psychotic sniper/killer is bad enough: a thoughtful and well-prepared heavily-armed psychotic sniper/killer is a couple of degrees worse….

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scottslemmons  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:42:29pm

re: #136 Blind Frog Belly White

Don’t be silly! CCW carriers are endowed with superhuman powers of wisdom, strength, and accuracy! You’d know exactly which door to kick down, it would yield to your first kick, and you’d immediately see and shoot the assailant, in a darkened room after just being in the lighted hall. Easy-peasy!
////////////////

This morning, I heard some gunfucker on the radio, when asked what we can do to prevent future attacks like this, start by talking about Gun-Free Zones.

GUN FREE ZONES?!?!?! With the shooter 400 yards away?!?!?

They’ve all watched action movies, and they all think they’re Tom Cruise. Look, some prettyboy like Tom Cruise can shoot all those bad guys and never miss — you know a real he-man like Sean Hannity can do it, too! Now watch this, I’m gonna shoot lightning outta my fingers like Chris Hemsworth.

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lawhawk  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:43:21pm

One of the victims in the Las Vegas attack was a cop (off duty) attending the concert.

Wont matter. If Sandy Hook didn’t change anything for the GOP, the slaughter in Vegas wont. They are entirely owned by the NRA.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:43:48pm

re: #177 Jay C

I haven’t seen it mentioned here, so I’ll chime in to say that I saw a report on TV this evening that Stephen Paddock (or somebody - they are assuming it was him) had secreted a small webcam - on a food cart in the hallway of the Mandalay Bay - so that (as they are surmising) he would be able to see anybody “sneaking” up on him from the hall.
So so much for the Internet Tough Guys’ “bust in and heroically stop him” BS: a heavily-armed psychotic sniper/killer is bad enough: a thoughtful and well-prepared heavily-armed psychotic sniper/killer is a couple of degrees worse….

Yeah I heard that too. This whole situation really busts their whole fantasy but it hasn’t stopped em.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:44:16pm

re: #179 lawhawk

One of the victims in the Las Vegas attack was a cop (off duty) attending the concert.

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Wont matter. If Sandy Hook didn’t change anything for the GOP, the slaughter in Vegas wont. They are entirely owned by the NRA.

He did the right thing. RIP Officer.

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Kragar  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:46:14pm
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danarchy  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:46:19pm

re: #177 Jay C

I haven’t seen it mentioned here, so I’ll chime in to say that I saw a report on TV this evening that Stephen Paddock (or somebody - they are assuming it was him) had secreted a small webcam - on a food cart in the hallway of the Mandalay Bay - so that (as they are surmising) he would be able to see anybody “sneaking” up on him from the hall.
So so much for the Internet Tough Guys’ “bust in and heroically stop him” BS: a heavily-armed psychotic sniper/killer is bad enough: a thoughtful and well-prepared heavily-armed psychotic sniper/killer is a couple of degrees worse….

I think the NYT timeline mentioned a hotel security guard was shot in the leg as he approached the room.

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electrotek  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:46:22pm

lol saw this in my FB feed

Facebook Post

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I cannot.  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:47:35pm

re: #177 Jay C

For example, THIS guy…

en.wikipedia.org

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:47:59pm

this situation was definitely not amenable to the “good guy with a gun” fantasy

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:48:10pm

re: #148 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i don’t dare look, but i imagine outer wingnuttia is working overtime to describe the gunman as “a leftist”

Yesterday the fake news bot squad was spamming #TheResistance hashtag with some bogus outrage over some “Leftist antifa teacher” Twitter account that expressed unkind thoughts and curses towards the Las Vegas victims. This alleged “leftist” Twitter was “discovered” by Alex Jones & Paul Watson and then immediately deleted.

Today the bot swarms are silent or at least have moved on to another fake news outrage that they created.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:49:41pm

re: #182 Kragar

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Dakota Meyer ripped him

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:50:07pm

re: #182 Kragar

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It’s easy to talk about being a macho bad ass. It’s a lot easier to be a tough bad ass. I’ll be the first to admit. I’d be scared shitless in that situation and honestly the more the guys that admit they will, maybe we’d be better off.

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Brian J.  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:50:57pm

Quick quiz for everyone:

How well do you think an Intercept-endorsed candidate will do in Hattiesburg, Mississippi? After all, isn’t it axiomatic among the left that the working class want candidates with more socialist leanings than the Democrats?

(Insert Jeopardy music here)

Nope.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:51:06pm

re: #186 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

this situation was definitely not amenable to the “good guy with a gun” fantasy

It literally is the worst one they could come up with.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:52:37pm
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nines09  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:52:39pm

re: #182 Kragar

Tough guys….but he wasn’t packing a sniper rifle or bump stock ar something swinging and it’s like a concert and he’s important and needs to report on shit and stuff.
Muthafukka…..

DAN BILZERIAN RUNNING AWAY FROM MANDALAY BAY LAS VEGAS SHOOTING!! (1 OCTOBER 2017)

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Stanley Sea  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:53:17pm

re: #189 HappyWarrior

It’s easy to talk about being a macho bad ass. It’s a lot easier to be a tough bad ass. I’ll be the first to admit. I’d be scared shitless in that situation and honestly the more the guys that admit they will, maybe we’d be better off.

Thing is, dude has an arsenal at home.

I’m worried the bad press is going to make him flip

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:54:30pm

We play video games. We watch movies. We see the news. We all want to be the hero and you know what, it’s admirable to want to be a hero. But there’s more ways to be a hero than go guns a blazing. I was talking to an undergrad tonight when I was making my annual donation to my alma mater. He asked me what inspires me to give back. I told him well I like helping people. It’s why I’m in the field I’m in and I feel like I’ve been able to accomplish that and I feel that by donating to the scholarship fund, I can help someone get their education that wasn’t as fortunate as I was to have well off parents that helped pay my tuition.

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VegasGolfer  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:54:54pm

Just saw video of puss in cheif greet mayor cruz in PR. he looked scared and truthfully oooked like he didn’t recognize her. Disgraceful.

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Kragar  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:55:00pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:55:18pm

re: #194 Stanley Sea

Thing is, dude has an arsenal at home.

I’m worried the bad press is going to make him flip

Hope not.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:56:47pm

re: #194 Stanley Sea

Thing is, dude has an arsenal at home.

I’m worried the bad press is going to make him flip

His buddies were on CNN, he wasn’t.

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Unshaken Defiance  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:57:56pm

re: #143 goddamnedfrank

I knew those things were a fucking problem but I underestimated exactly how much. I’ve never seen one in person because they’re illegal here and always heard they were more of a gimmick and not used by serious gun enthusiasts because the movement tends to ruin accuracy. Clearly they were ideally suited for Paddock’s indiscriminate assault on the crowd and should never have been allowed.

Full auto has been illegal with the oft mentioned exceptions since what, Bonnie and Clyde? This attack shows why. Maybe you saw my post earlier, those things either already were or need to be illegal.

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EPR-radar  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:01:21pm

re: #197 Kragar

As always, the Republicans are a death cult. Why US Christianity hasn’t called out the Republican party en masse as being Satan’s earthly agents is beyond me.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:02:20pm

re: #201 EPR-radar

As always, the Republicans are a death cult. Why US Christianity hasn’t called out the Republican party en masse as being Satan’s earthly agents is beyond me.

Well U.S. Christianity benefits the GOP and the GOP benefits U.S. Christianity. It’s an interesting dynamic. I do wish more American Christians would call out the GOP though.

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Interesting Times  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:03:35pm
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goddamnedfrank  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:04:53pm

re: #182 Kragar

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Bilzerian went through SEAL training twice, finally washed out on a shooting range safety violation, which he calls “no good reason.” The guy is the quintessential entitled rich boy unstable steroid abusing fuckwit.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:05:11pm

re: #203 Interesting Times

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If he were non white and heaven forbid Muslim, I don’t even want to think what would be going on right now.

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austin_blue  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:05:46pm

re: #200 Unshaken Defiance

Full auto has been illegal with the oft mentioned exceptions since what, Bonnie and Clyde? This attack shows why. Maybe you saw my post earlier, those things either already were or need to be illegal.

Not illegal. Highly regulated, cradle to grave, plus a $250 tax.

Anyone who can pass a background check can buy an MA-2.

If you can afford it (and the ammo).

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scottslemmons  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:05:47pm

re: #201 EPR-radar

As always, the Republicans are a death cult. Why US Christianity hasn’t called out the Republican party en masse as being Satan’s earthly agents is beyond me.

American Christianity has been copacetic with anti-Christian GOP policies for decades.

There are plenty of times I wonder why Andy Schafly’s Conservative Bible Project never caught on. I still kinda expect them to publish a new Bible one of these days that cuts out all that dumb Jesus stuff and sticks to the real Bible stories, like when God’s Favorite Sons Ronnie and Donnie killed all the black people.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:07:00pm

re: #207 scottslemmons

American Christianity has been copacetic with anti-Christian GOP policies for decades.

There are plenty of times I wonder why Andy Schafly’s Conservative Bible Project never caught on. I still kinda expect them to publish a new Bible one of these days that cuts out all that dumb Jesus stuff and sticks to the real Bible stories, like when God’s Favorite Sons Ronnie and Donnie killed all the black people.

Jesus and the Tax Cut for the Wealthy. And so sayeth the lord, thou art a moocher and thou just want free stuff.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:08:06pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:08:21pm

White privilege is my father being practically the same age and the same race as Paddock and not having to worried about being profiled by police or having the media blame his “culture” for the shooting. That’s privilege.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:08:43pm

re: #209 FormerDirtDart

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I find myself asking the same question.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:11:03pm

re: #204 goddamnedfrank

Bilzerian went through SEAL training twice, finally failed on a shooting range safety violation, which he calls “no good reason.” The guy is the quintessential entitled rich boy unstable steroid abusing fuckwit.

And horrible abuser of willing women.

The women are willing, they are abused.

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EPR-radar  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:11:10pm

tr*mp is widely regarded as being a malignant narcissist, but I think the issue may be even more severe than that. I think he’s functionally a solipsist.

IMO tr*mp is the center and totality of his own universe, and other people impinge on his awareness only as voices/images on a screen or as appliances to be used.

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Ace Rothstein  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:11:12pm

re: #206 austin_blue

Not illegal. Highly regulated, cradle to grave, plus a $250 tax.

Anyone who can pass a background check can buy an MA-2.

If you can afford it (and the ammo).

For $299 an hour you can shoot one…in Vegas.
battlefieldvegas.com

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Brian J.  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:11:49pm

Aaron Judge goes deep. All Rise!

(ha ha, made you rise.)

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William Lewis  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:13:44pm

So it was my birthday the other day and even though I’m unemployed and don’t exactly have lots of spare cash, I ordered a present for myself. It’s explicityly a finger in the eye of the GOP and it’s pretense of patriotism and freedom.

Back in the early days of Bush the Lesser’s gulf wars, the French were derided for not wanting to go along with our stupidity. A lot of crap was given them over their relatively early surrender in WWII, “Only dropped Once” as a slight on their courage, with no thought given to the 1.4 million Poilus who died defending their homeland in almost 5 years of the most brutal warfare the world has ever seen during WWI. So fuck the GOP.

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nines09  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:14:10pm

Goodnight all. May the light find us all. I’m a music fan and Tom Petty was one of my favorites. I posted this earlier, and it would seem to fit the evening better. It’s from the Wildflowers release, and I have that in my never getting tired of listening to list.
This is a longer jam on a great song and shows a side of the band not seen by those who didn’t follow them. Hope you enjoy it, I will always.
I suggest headphones/earbuds/…your choice of volume.
Some losses diminish me, and I think this takes a nick out of me. Such is life, such is this.
I’m trying to kick the door open that somewhat closed on me. I’m kicking.
Thanks all.

It’s Good To Be King - Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:15:41pm

re: #216 William Lewis

So it was my birthday the other day and even though I’m unemployed and don’t exactly have lots of spare cash, I ordered a present for myself. It’s explicityly a finger in the eye of the GOP and it’s pretense of patriotism and freedom.

Back in the early days of Bush the Lesser’s gulf wars, the French were derided for not wanting to go along with our stupidity. A lot of crap was given them over their relatively early surrender in WWII, “Only dropped Once” as a slight on their courage, with no thought given to the 1.4 million Poilus who died defending their homeland in almost 5 years of the most brutal warfare the world has ever seen during WWI. So fuck the GOP.

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Yep I was in Ypres this summer. Us Americans have no appreciation at all for the sacrifices made. Anyone who belittles the French as cowards is an idiot.

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electrotek  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:17:10pm

The right-wing gun nuts are triggered now

Facebook Post

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:18:15pm

re: #219 electrotek

The right-wing gun nuts are triggered now

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Freedumb.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:20:45pm

re: #182 Kragar

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Yeah, that’s the guy I mentioned a few threads ago. Couldn’t recall his name or why he was famous. Just that Twitter was calling him either a hero or the stupidest man in the world. I voted the latter.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:22:32pm

re: #214 Ace Rothstein

For $299 an hour you can shoot one…in Vegas.
battlefieldvegas.com

You can shoot all sorts of full auto weapons in the Vegas area

Nine-year-old girl accidentally kills gun instructor

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mmmirele  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:23:56pm

re: #121 Eclectic Cyborg:

(snip fantasy of a “good man with a gun” taking on Paddock)

Well, that’s pretty close to what actually happened here:

When a security guard approached Paddock’s room, the gunman fired through the door and struck him in the leg, police said.

A “strike team” of police assembled to breach the door.

latimes.com

So yeah, your good men with guns would have been completely overwhelmed.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:24:21pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:24:36pm

re: #222 FormerDirtDart

You can shoot all sorts of full auto weapons in the Vegas area

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I remember that. I was so pissed at that father. Glad the little girl was unhurt but infuriating that he put her in that situation. A child that young should not be handling a gun let alone an Uzi.

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Kragar  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:25:37pm
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Barefoot Grin  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:25:39pm

re: #222 FormerDirtDart

You can shoot all sorts of full auto weapons in the Vegas area

[Embedded content]

Ok, this is the first thing that came to mind, but I don’t know enough. I’ve just seen TV shows where there are these ranges out in the desert that allow people to use weapons unavailable to most people. I thought, “I’ll bet Paddock went out to the desert to some of those extreme ranges to practice and thought, ‘fuck it, let’s try this on human targets.’”

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gwangung  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:29:37pm

re: #174 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

Just to be clear. When the gun nuts talk about “blood for the liberty tree” they aren’t talking about their own blood, but about the blood shed by liberals and non-whites because those people dared to oppose them.

In other words, freeloaders.

They’re very free with other people’s blood and other people’s lives.

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stpaulbear  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:31:00pm

re: #216 William Lewis

So it was my birthday the other day and even though I’m unemployed and don’t exactly have lots of spare cash, I ordered a present for myself. It’s explicityly a finger in the eye of the GOP and it’s pretense of patriotism and freedom.

Back in the early days of Bush the Lesser’s gulf wars, the French were derided for not wanting to go along with our stupidity. A lot of crap was given them over their relatively early surrender in WWII, “Only dropped Once” as a slight on their courage, with no thought given to the 1.4 million Poilus who died defending their homeland in almost 5 years of the most brutal warfare the world has ever seen during WWI. So fuck the GOP.

[Embedded content]

If I may, here’s a song to go with that shirt. From Odessey and Oracle by The Zombies.

The Zombies - 10 - Butcher’s Tale (Western Front 1914)

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I cannot.  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:31:44pm

re: #204 goddamnedfrank

Shouldn’t you be familiar with range safety LONG before you get to SEAL training?

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:35:09pm

Yeah, good luck getting Republican vote to change laws to allow Puerto Rico to declare bankruptcy

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Kragar  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:37:21pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:38:12pm

re: #222 FormerDirtDart

The thing about all those stories is that they clearly demonstrate the adults—all the adults—involved did not respect the (lethal) purpose of the weapon.

Beyond “gun safety” to prevent negligent discharge, there’s a whole other level of “what the fuck are you using the weapon for?” protocol that’s not being respected. Firing a weapon full auto shouldn’t be a novelty experience until you’ve cleared a lot of levels of “I respect this fucking thing will kill, easily, if not handled right.”

I feel sorry for the kids. They don’t know better, and they have tiny kids brains where the line between tool and toy blurs.

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:38:53pm

Someone posted this Teapain article about the second amendment and the constitution: teapainusa.wordpress.com. I didn’t have the time to read it at work, but I finally did. It makes a pretty good argument.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:41:40pm

re: #30 The Vicious Babushka

Who is this mother fucker?

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whitebeach  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:41:45pm

re: #223 mmmirele

So yeah, your good men with guns would have been completely overwhelmed.

This was a large outdoor country music event in freaking Nevada, so my guess is that at least a hundred of the audience were macho gun carriers. And yet not one of them took out the bad guy. How can this be?

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Kragar  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:44:04pm
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plansbandc  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:45:06pm

As a historian, I should be fascinated by the unraveling of our country. But every day I wake up in utter despair.

How could so many in our country vote for and support the fascist piece of human garbage? I am at a loss.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:46:58pm

Yankees catcher just took a foul ball straight into the ‘cup’

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majii  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:48:39pm

re: #196 VegasGolfer

“Just saw video of puss in cheif greet mayor cruz in PR. he looked scared and truthfully oooked like he didn’t recognize her. Disgraceful.”

His look conveyed cowardice writ large. He didn’t have the courage to say to Mayor Cruz in person the things he said about her on Twitter, yet, his supporters describe him as a “strong leader.” I remember when Pres. Obama addressed the SCOTUS’ Citizens United decision and revealed how it would corrupt our government officials [it has,] and he did it with most of the justices sitting in the audience. I remember when Pres. GHW Bush renounced his lifetime membership in the NRA and publicly labeled trickle-down economics “voodoo economics.” These are examples of leaders with courage. Trump’s special talent is throwing bombs while hiding behind the bushes. He has a habit of doing this and when he meets his targets, he doesn’t say sh*t. He didn’t show up for Wray’s swearing-in ceremony at the FBI last week, not because he didn’t have time, but because he’d attacked the agents and was at least, for once, smart enough to maybe understand that he wouldn’t get a warm reception.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:49:45pm
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Belafon  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:49:50pm

re: #182 Kragar

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I like that Bristol Palin’s husband is going after him.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:50:03pm

re: #237 Kragar

Given that the leap from “Country music” to “Christian and Patriot” is already thin, and he’s specifically throwing shade at the SPLC because the new far-right thing is to claim that group has provoked violence against “Christians” and “patriots” by accurately describing the beliefs and actions of specific (very fucking hateful) individuals and interest groups…including Matt Barber…

…chances are good he doesn’t give a single flying fuck whether his speculation has weight. This is self-serving, corpse-fucking opportunism barely disguised as umbrage.

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stpaulbear  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:50:25pm

re: #239 FormerDirtDart

Yankees catcher just took a foul ball straight into the ‘cup’

Owie.

The Twins have a pretty dismal record against The Yankees. We’re hoping for the best but expecting the worst.

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scottslemmons  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:52:11pm

I can’t remember if it’s Matt “Bam Bam” Barber who used to go undercover to gay bars to “report” on the Evils of Gays or some other gibbering homophobe.

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2017 • 8:00:26pm

re: #236 whitebeach

This was a large outdoor country music event in freaking Nevada, so my guess is that at least a hundred of the audience were macho gun carriers. And yet not one of them took out the bad guy. How can this be?

I posted this last thread, but it’s relevant again:

What the country group that performed before the shooting thought, until it actually happened to them: m.dailykos.com

I’ve been a proponent of the 2nd amendment my entire life.

Until the events of last night. I cannot express how wrong I was. We actually have members of our crew with CHL licenses, and legal firearms on the bus.

They were useless.

We couldn’t touch them for fear police might think that we were part of the massacre and shoot us. A small group (or one man) laid waste to a city with dedicated, fearless police officers desperately trying to help, because of access to an insane amount of fire power.

Enough is enough.

Writing my parents and the love of my life a goodbye note last night and a living will because I felt like I wasn’t going to live through the night was enough for me to realize that this is completely and totally out of hand. There rounds were powerful enough that my crew guys just standing in close proximity of a victim shot by this fucking coward received shrapnel wounds.

We need gun control RIGHT. NOW.

My biggest regret is that I stubbornly didn’t realize it until my brothers on the road and myself were threatened by it.

We are unbelievably fortunate to not be among the victims killed or seriously wounded by this maniac.

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teleskiguy  Oct 3, 2017 • 8:14:51pm

re: #246 Belafon

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Nightmare at PDX In all, Cristina was held for 48 hours with the jail population, though she had committed no crime. She was treated poorly, and denied medical treatment when she requested it. She had no money in her jail phone account ...
Thanos
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First-Ever Sex Discrimination Legal Network Is Ready to Defend Women in Trump’s America Shortly after the election, the attorneys and advocates who work at the National Women’s Law Center (NWLC) started having a conversation. It seemed that the incoming Trump administration was likely to move backward on enforcing civil rights, loosening regulations, ...
Birth Control Works
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Meet Rhiannon Giddens, Newly Minted MacArthur ‘Genius’ As a solo artist — and, before that, as a member of the Carolina Chocolate Drops — singer-songwriter Rhiannon Giddens has made a career out of revitalizing and invigorating decades' worth of music reflecting the African-American experience. That's meant ...
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Lies About Black America Are ‘Central’ to Gun Ownership: A Reporter on What We Get Wrong About Gun Violence Lies that the GOP and Donald Trump promote all day long. “If you look at the neighborhoods where [gun violence] is most clustered,” Beckett said, it’s located in areas with high levels of poverty, low levels of education, and ...
Unshaken Defiance
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St. Vincent Performs ‘Los Ageless’ One of Stephen's very favorite singer-songwriters collaborates with three pairs of boots to perform a song off her new album "Masseduction". Subscribe To "The Late Show" Channel HERE: bit.lyFor more content from "The Late Show with Stephen Colbert", click ...
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Star Wars: The Last Jedi Trailer (Official) Watch the new trailer for Star Wars: The Last Jedi and see it in theaters December 15. Get your tickets now: fandango.com Visit Star Wars at starwars.comSubscribe to Star Wars on YouTube at youtube.comLike Star Wars on Facebook at ...
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Brazil Branches of US-Based Church Target of Numerous Probes Church Based human trafficking and forced labor -- it's just religious freedom in action.../// When workers made a mistake, such as cutting a frame too short, she says they were screamed at and sometimes even hit to expunge the ...
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Missouri Woman Claims Religious Rights Violated by Abortion Law Those religious freedom laws conservatives are pressing through where ever they can might give fundamentalist xtians more grief than they bargained for. The law compels women to wait 72 hours between their initial visit and the procedure, view an ...
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Lawmakers Call for ‘Stealthing’ to Be Classified as Rape U.S. Reps. Carolyn Maloney (D-NY) and Ro Khanna (D-CA) announced on Wednesday that they would push lawmakers to have "stealthing," or nonconsensual condom removal, classified as rape. In a letter sent to the House Judiciary Committee, Maloney and Khanna ...
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Should Animal Abusers Be Registered Like Sex Offenders? It is important to remember that those who abuse animals also tend to abuse children. One of the objectives of the criminal justice system is to protect the innocent and discourage would-be perpetrators from harming them. Whether it does ...
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