Today’s program from our podcasting affiliate, The Bob Cesca Show:
Oh Shoot: Not Safe For Work; Buzz Burbank is here; Las Vegas and the continuing madness of the gun culture; AR15s and Bump Stocks; The NRA is selling products, nothing else; Trump turns 16 deaths into a positive story; Trump blaming the hurricane victims; Safe Home, Tom Petty; RT’s Top 10 Russophobes; Jared Kushner’s Private Email Server; and much more.
I’ll just leave this here.
Trump denies Puerto Rico request to let hurricane victims use food stamps for prepared hot meals: report https://t.co/bR45arvxfC pic.twitter.com/ulasVC6tkK
— The Hill (@thehill) October 3, 2017
President Trump throws paper towels into the crowd at a Hurricane Maria relief event in Puerto Rico https://t.co/FLHYyPsaLD
— NBC News (@NBCNews) October 3, 2017
Heck of a job, Brawny. https://t.co/zGkXk1nyko
— John Dingell (@JohnDingell) October 3, 2017
JFC
So proud of @FEMA, Military, and First Responders! Thank you! pic.twitter.com/kWVMqVelri
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 3, 2017
re: #1 Ace Rothstein
I’ll just leave this here.
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Noted downstairs that food stamps WERE allowed for that in Texas and Florida.
re: #4 Backwoods_Sleuth
He only sees what he wants to see.
In the previous thread, people were discussing a U.N. resolution that would condemn use of death penalty to target LGBTQ people.
Eclectic Cyborg mentioned Japan, like the U.S., voted against it.
Don’t take this as gospel, because it’s just supposition on my part, but I think Japan voted against it because the death penalty is still used here and the government doesn’t want anything chipping away at it.
While there are activists campaigning to end capital punishment, opinion polls indicate it remains generally popular with the public.
Statue’s Stolen Foot Reflects Divisions Over Symbols of Conquest - https://t.co/mtJh4B4qUm
— NewMexicoNomad (@505Nomad) October 3, 2017
[…]
In the dead of night on Dec. 29, 1997, they sawed off the foot, unleashing a debate over Oñate’s atrocities. While some in New Mexico admire the conquistador in ballads and pageantry, others are re-examining the brutality of Oñate’s conquest.
Scholars have documented how Oñate oversaw atrocities that included the killing of 800 people in Acoma Pueblo, an ancient adobe aerie atop a 357-foot-tall sandstone mesa where the Acoma people still live today. Dozens of Acoma girls were parceled out to convents in Mexico City, and adolescents were sentenced to decades of servitude. In a notorious act of cruelty, Oñate is said to have ordered his men to cut a foot off at least 24 male captives.
[…]
re: #8 wrenchwench
I think it’s fantastic they sawed off that foot. Sadly, there’s a park in Albuquerque named for Oñate. And a school.
I would love to see name changes for both.
Saying the extreme prevalence of guns in US society precludes effective gun control is like saying your cancer has metastasized so just die.
— Frankly My Dear 🏴☠️ (@goddamnedfrank) October 3, 2017
“I hate to tell you Puerto Rico but you’ve thrown our budget out of whack” - Trump
— Katy Tur (@KatyTurNBC) October 3, 2017
.@realDonaldTrump You bankrupted the Secret Service https://t.co/1Ywfj9yNj7
— Jess Dweck (@TheDweck) October 3, 2017
re: #7 Scout
Don’t take this as gospel, because it’s just supposition on my part, but I think Japan voted against it because the death penalty is still used here and the government doesn’t want anything chipping away at it.
That will pretty much be the reason for many of those countries that voted against the resolution.
Russia would have voted no, too, but they don’t get a vote on that UN body. Hmmm…. maybe the US vote was their proxy? Or, maybe we just like killing people.
re: #10 goddamnedfrank
So, it’s inoperable and we should get our affairs in order?
re: #10 goddamnedfrank
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More like saying that your cancer has metastasized, so from now on instead of trying to cure you of the cancer, we’ll be trying to cure the cancer of you.
re: #13 KGxvi
So, it’s inoperable and we should get our affairs in order?
Nuke it from orbit? Just to be sure.
re: #4 Backwoods_Sleuth
JFC
Yikes, while meaning to like your comment, I accidentally liked Trump’s imbecile tweet!
re: #13 KGxvi
So, it’s inoperable and we should get our affairs in order?
screw us having to get our affairs in order….let the free market take care of it!
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I can tell my head isn’t good. Picked a fight with a religious moron on twitter. Yes, yes. Block early, block often. Blocked now. I feel kinda pleased with the lashing out though. Might need a break from politics.
Trump Supporters React To Fact-Checking, Part 1 pic.twitter.com/PgAxNVCggH
— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) October 3, 2017
I keep thinking lately of Hannah Arendt’s Eichmann in Jerusalem: A Report on the Banality of Evil lately. Her concept of the banality of evil is often misunderstood to mean that the kind of monstrosity exhibited by the nazi’s could be performed by anybody. Instead what she meant was that Eichmann was a type of person who wasn’t sick so much as just unremarkably stupid. That this stupidity is what drove virtually all of his decision making and that the evil of the nazis wasn’t in the hearts of everyone but that the capacity for it also wasn’t exactly rare.
re: #21 FormerDirtDart
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Trump supporters are awfully sensitive aren’t they? They’re some kind of snowish flake.
re: #21 FormerDirtDart
Thanks Daniel, knew I could count on you
— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) October 3, 2017
Here’s what one Puerto Rican said to me about Trump’s behaviour today: https://t.co/yQaeKlGThT pic.twitter.com/9ASzqyzcb6
— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) October 4, 2017
re: #28 Blind Frog Belly White
Oh, for fuck’s sake!
Yeah, but we HEAVILY regulate and license cars, and even more heavily regulate explosives. Is that what you’re advocating for firearms?
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Dear ‘Being Libertarian’ - being libertarian isn’t synonymous with being stupid.
Not necessarily, anyway.
When we have bombings and car accidents, we take measures to prevent future bombings and car accidents but cry some more about guns.
Who is this mother fucker?
Connection? #VegasShooter targeted demographic vilified by violence-inciting @SPLCenter “hate group” propaganda - #Christians & #patriots
— Matt Barber (@jmattbarber) October 3, 2017
“How can I be the man I want to be, Mommy? I sometimes think I’m not strong enough to to get there.” JUST GET SHOT JOHNNY THEN EVERYTHING WORKS OUT…….BUT DON’T DIE….THEN YOU LOSE….
Steve Scalise says that getting shot strengthened his support of gun rights & the 2nd amendment. Yes, he said that. https://t.co/IM4NPYm8AC pic.twitter.com/uCBTcQXFB1
— Jim Roberts (@nycjim) October 3, 2017
re: #30 The Vicious Babushka
Who is this mother fucker?
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Patriots isn’t a demographic you idiot and you don’t know the religion of all the people who were there, you dumbass.
Name names. Then we’ll start naming all those murdered by firearms and the butcher’s bill left on doorstep of NRA/GOP. Might take a while
— lawhawk (@lawhawk) October 4, 2017
I am just going to go ahead and say I think the Founders fucked up when they wrote the 2nd Amendment.
re: #34 Eclectic Cyborg
I am just going to go ahead and say I think the Founders fucked up when they wrote the 2nd Amendment.
True, but they probably never thought we’d get this stupid.
re: #28 Blind Frog Belly White
Oh, for fuck’s sake!
Yeah, but we HEAVILY regulate and license cars, and even more heavily regulate explosives. Is that what you’re advocating for firearms?
Dear ‘Being Libertarian’ - being libertarian isn’t synonymous with being stupid.
Not necessarily, anyway.
We also punish people who serve excessive amounts of alcohol to drunk drivers.
Should do the same for guns and ammunition sales?
re: #30 The Vicious Babushka
Who is this mother fucker?
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re: #34 Eclectic Cyborg
I am just going to go ahead and say I think the Founders fucked up when they wrote the 2nd Amendment.
The problem again is that the Constitution was a compromise. And it came after the first attempt at a national government failed.
Ultimately it is an 18th century document written by some men who were ahead of their time compared to the fellow colonists but who still couldn’t imagine what the 21st century would be like.
Our Constitution can be amended, so in theory this is all fixable.
The real problem is the gun fetish cult is now deeply intertwined with the Jesus cult, and the two of them steer our national politics.
re: #28 Blind Frog Belly White
Oh, for fuck’s sake!
Yeah, but we HEAVILY regulate and license cars, and even more heavily regulate explosives. Is that what you’re advocating for firearms?
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Dear ‘Being Libertarian’ - being libertarian isn’t synonymous with being stupid.
Not necessarily, anyway.
If someone in the US bombed others, we’d make sure no one could get to a bomber again.
We’re building cars that react to conditions without the driver’s awareness.
So, yes, we should do something about guns.
re: #38 Barefoot Grin
SPLC? That’s not fair. This is CNN’s fault! ///
No, you’re both wrong. It’s those damn NFL players and their kneeling and calls for nonviolence fault.
JUST IN: The official death toll in Puerto Rico from Hurricane Maria has increased to 34 https://t.co/Gyk8V8BPrM
— New York Post (@nypost) October 4, 2017
re: #35 Blind Frog Belly White
True, but they probably never thought we’d get this stupid.
Nor did they realize the kinds of weapons we’d come to own. The whole point of the Amendment was so that people who own guns could supplement the military in times of major conflict.
It is a “miracle” how fast the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police were able to find the demented shooter and stop him from even more killing!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 4, 2017
It took more than an hour, you idiot, and he killed himself! In what universe does this count as a “miracle?” https://t.co/DCrqXAHdCa
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) October 4, 2017
re: #43 Eclectic Cyborg
Nor did they realize the kinds of weapons we’d come to own. The whole point of the Amendment was so that people who own guns could supplement the military in times of major conflict.
WUZ NOT!! IT WAS SO PATREEITS CUD FIGHT AGAINST TYRANEEE!
re: #44 Charles Johnson
Apparently it’s miraculous that he was only able to shoot 500 people.
And they never thought we’d worship their document, much less a characature of it.
re: #44 Charles Johnson
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Honest to god, I’m waiting for him to say, “This was the BIGGEST mass shooting! People tell me it’s really amazing!! Nobody’s seen carnage like this!!”
re: #43 Eclectic Cyborg
The whole point of the Amendment was so that people who own guns could supplement the military in times of major conflict.
The early nation didn’t really have much of a military. Indeed, the US Military Academy wasn’t even found until right after the start of the 19th century.
I agree that the 2A really is about militias as envisioned each State would keep such. But alas, the gun fetish cult has been so deeply entrenched in America that the historical perspective is totally lost.
re: #44 Charles Johnson
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Worst shooting in U.S. history and he’s talking about miracles? Fucking fuck.
re: #52 HappyWarrior
Worst shooting in U.S. history and he’s talking about miracles? Fucking fuck.
The gun fetish cult is now very entwined with the Jesus cult.
re: #44 Charles Johnson
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The blown out hotel windows were also kinda of a huge clue…
re: #1 Ace Rothstein
I’ll just leave this here.
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Because he’s a jerk with zero empathy.
As a NY Mets fan, I am happy to announce, with 1 out in the top half of the first inning and runners on 3rd & 2nd, the Twins lead the Yankees 3-0, and NY is pulling their starting pitcher after 29 pitches
re: #50 Blind Frog Belly White
Honest to god, I’m waiting for him to say, “This was the BIGGEST mass shooting! People tell me it’s really amazing!! Nobody’s seen carnage like this!!”
tomorrow will be truly cringe-worthy as he tries to be not-reptilian in his comments…
re: #31 nines09
Did the NRA have to bribe Scalise for this little performance, or is he just that much of a rabid ideologue?
re: #54 Backwoods_Sleuth
The blown out hotel windows were also kinda of a huge clue…
And the smoke detectors went off because of all the smoke in his room. Hey, maybe it’s that one!
re: #34 Eclectic Cyborg
I am just going to go ahead and say I think the Founders fucked up when they wrote the 2nd Amendment.
It simply has to be repealed.
re: #7 Scout
In the previous thread, people were discussing a U.N. resolution that would condemn use of death penalty to target LGBTQ people.
Eclectic Cyborg mentioned Japan, like the U.S., voted against it.
Don’t take this as gospel, because it’s just supposition on my part, but I think Japan voted against it because the death penalty is still used here and the government doesn’t want anything chipping away at it.
While there are activists campaigning to end capital punishment, opinion polls indicate it remains generally popular with the public.
That surprised me. Japan seems like such an advanced country that I’d never have guessed that it still has something as barbaric as the death penalty.
re: #61 Patricia Kayden
That surprised me. Japan seems like such an advanced country that I’d never have guessed that it still has something as barbaric as the death penalty.
Japan is a very complicated country in a lot of ways. In many ways not for good.
It would have been harder if he had a silencer. Thank goodness nobody is dumb enough to legalize those!
— aceoaces (@aceoaces) October 4, 2017
Can’t wait for the wingnuts to tell me I don’t understand silencers. Making the shooter harder to locate is literally what they are designed for.
re: #22 goddamnedfrank
I keep thinking lately of Hannah Arendt’s Eichmann in Jerusalem: A Report on the Banality of Evil lately. Her concept of the banality of evil is often misunderstood to mean that the kind of monstrosity exhibited by the nazi’s could be performed by anybody. Instead what she meant was that Eichmann was a type of person who wasn’t sick so much as just unremarkably stupid. That this stupidity is what drove virtually all of his decision making and that the evil of the nazis wasn’t in the hearts of everyone but that the capacity for it also wasn’t exactly rare.
I think it’s also important to remember the flip side of Eichmann:
First there was Reinhard Heydrich who was a brilliant and viscous individual without whom the final solution would have never been half so efficient. It was a horrific price that was paid after his assassination but I have always wondered what might have been had he lived and I can’t help but think the world got off light in the exchange.
The other one I’d mention in this context is Heinz Heydrich, Reinhard’s younger brother. To quote from Wiki: “Heinz Heydrich was an Obersturmführer (lieutenant), journalist and publisher of the soldiers’ newspaper, Die Panzerfaust. He was at first a fervent admirer of Hitler. But before Reinhard Heydrich’s State funeral in Berlin in June 1942, Heinz Heydrich had been given a large packet containing his brother’s files, released from his strongbox at Gestapo Headquarters, 8 Prinz-Albrecht-Strasse, Berlin. Heinz had shut himself away in his room with the papers. Next morning his wife noticed that her husband had sat up all night burning the documents from the package. Heinz, on leave from the front, could not be engaged in conversation, his wife remembered; he seemed to be elsewhere mentally, and like stone. The files in the package were probably Reinhard Heydrich’s personal files, from which Heinz Heydrich understood for the first time in all its enormity the systematic extermination of the Jews, the so-called Final Solution.[4] Thereafter, Heinz Heydrich helped many Jews escape by forging identity documents and printing them on Die Panzerfaust presses.” Not everyone could ignore then effects of their willful stupidity and could, in the end, find that place where he had to say no. It’s rather like what Camus said, “What is a rebel? Someone who says no. But saying no does not mean giving up: it also means saying yes, with every gesture.” He would later commit suicide when he thought he had been caught but still, in the meantime, he did what little he could to negate his brother’s masterpiece.
re: #61 Patricia Kayden
That surprised me. Japan seems like such an advanced country that I’d never have guessed that it still has something as barbaric as the death penalty.
Scout is right. The US and Japan are, I believe, the only first-world democracies that still execute people. Japan does it by hanging in quiet without notice to the public.
re: #51 freetoken
The early nation didn’t really have much of a military. Indeed, the US Military Academy wasn’t even found until right after the start of the 19th century.
I agree that the 2A really is about militias as envisioned each State would keep such. But alas, the gun fetish cult has been so deeply entrenched in America that the historical perspective is totally lost.
It’s also ludicrous to believe the founders intended a universal individual RKBA with the second amendment. The ambiguous militia language was put in there precisely to allow states a license to decide which people got the right and which didn’t.
Edited to add: I’m not a fan of originalist legal theory, so this is pointed out mainly to show that originalism can’t be used to support something like the Heller decision.
re: #44 Charles Johnson
He uses miracle in quotes. It’s like even he can’t buy the bullshit he’s selling.
And those quotes suggest that the LVPD should have done it faster? WTF.
re: #64 William Lewis
I think it’s also important to remember the flip side of Eichmann:
First there was Reinhard Heydrich who was a brilliant and viscous individual without whom the final solution would have never been half so efficient. It was a horrific price that was paid after his assassination but I have always wondered what might have been had he lived and I can’t help but think the world got off light in the exchange.
The other one I’d mention in this context is Heinz Heydrich, Reinhard’s younger brother. To quote from Wiki: “Heinz Heydrich was an Obersturmführer (lieutenant), journalist and publisher of the soldiers’ newspaper, Die Panzerfaust. He was at first a fervent admirer of Hitler. But before Reinhard Heydrich’s State funeral in Berlin in June 1942, Heinz Heydrich had been given a large packet containing his brother’s files, released from his strongbox at Gestapo Headquarters, 8 Prinz-Albrecht-Strasse, Berlin. Heinz had shut himself away in his room with the papers. Next morning his wife noticed that her husband had sat up all night burning the documents from the package. Heinz, on leave from the front, could not be engaged in conversation, his wife remembered; he seemed to be elsewhere mentally, and like stone. The files in the package were probably Reinhard Heydrich’s personal files, from which Heinz Heydrich understood for the first time in all its enormity the systematic extermination of the Jews, the so-called Final Solution.[4] Thereafter, Heinz Heydrich helped many Jews escape by forging identity documents and printing them on Die Panzerfaust presses.” Not everyone could ignore then effects of their willful stupidity and could, in the end, find that place where he had to say no. It’s rather like what Camus said, “What is a rebel? Someone who says no. But saying no does not mean giving up: it also means saying yes, with every gesture.” He would later commit suicide when he thought he had been caught but still, in the meantime, he did what little he could to negate his brother’s masterpiece.
Heydrich quite honestly is the Nazi that terrifies the most. No regard at all for human life.
re: #49 Decatur Deb
This is the logic that guides idiots. They are all around us and me and you. Ask someone what would happen if they didn’t have the best available healthcare and a fucking contingent of bodyguards and communications and a fast ride to save his ass. Sorry…Your destination is…Too far away….bitch.
Motherfucker is too kind.
re: #63 Ace-o-aces
And if it turns out that the shooter had a mental illness… it would be a weird coincidence that Trump had made it easier for the mentally ill to get guns too.
re: #58 EPR-radar
Did the NRA have to bribe Scalise for this little performance, or is he just that much of a rabid ideologue?
Once you drink the formula, you are the formula, and will be the formula. Shit for brains probably doesn’t even know how lucky his ass is.
But yes, he’s paid.
re: #70 lawhawk
And if it turns out that the shooter had a mental illness… it would be a weird coincidence that Trump had made it easier for the mentally ill to get guns too.
When has that ever stopped him?
re: #62 HappyWarrior
Japan is a very complicated country in a lot of ways. In many ways not for good.
Yep. Just like America, and Canada, and Mexico, and every other country that has ever existed in the history of the world.
re: #73 Scout
Yep. Just like America, and Canada, and Mexico, and every other country that has ever existed in the history of the world.
Oh certainly. Wasn’t trying to single out Japan in the slightest.
Last night on Fox, Tucker Carlson ate Sean Hannity. pic.twitter.com/JpbRFHSUKh
— Verified Libtard (@williamlegate) October 4, 2017
re: #74 HappyWarrior
Oh certainly. Wasn’t trying to single out Japan in the slightest.
I get defensive sometimes. (Not a good trait.)
I was just listening to “The World” with Marco Weirman (sp?). He interview the NYT’s expert on ISIS who said she thinks it’s likely that ISIS is so far down in its depth chart that they are making the kind of claims they never did before. It would be a huge outlier to have a 64yo white man somehow converted. But, she said, you cannot count out the possibility. She noted that they have been shown to go to great lengths to confirm that acts are done in their name for credibility’s sake. That gave me the shivers. 59 people are dead; it shouldn’t matter. But in our political climate the extreme right can live on this for years. So far, the FBI says, “No evidence; no dice.” Just hoping nothing comes to light.
According to the police, the police didn’t stop the demented shooter, the shooter killed himself before the police reached him
— WB Young (@FormerDirtDart) October 4, 2017
re: #44 Charles Johnson
So he had Multiple Personality Syndrome and his “Good Guy With A Gun” personality was able to overpower and shoot his “Bad Guy With A Gun” personality.
Oh crap did I just make up an excuse for mentally ill people to have guns?
re: #38 Barefoot Grin
SPLC? That’s not fair. This is CNN’s fault! ///
No, no, no. It’s Obama’s fault.
re: #75 Ace Rothstein
Wait until he tries to pass Sean Hannity…….
re: #83 nines09
Wait until he tries to pass Sean Hannity…….
Talk about literally being full of shit.
re: #50 Blind Frog Belly White
Honest to god, I’m waiting for him to say, “This was the BIGGEST mass shooting! People tell me it’s really amazing!! Nobody’s seen carnage like this!!”
He may just say that tomorrow while he’s in Las Vegas. Wouldn’t be surprising at all.
Hey, but Jacob Wohl told me that Trump will get 3 Million votes in PR in 2020 because he was so great!
Here’s what one Puerto Rican said to me about Trump’s behaviour today: https://t.co/yQaeKlGThT pic.twitter.com/9ASzqyzcb6
— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) October 4, 2017
ONLY ONE!!! pic.twitter.com/Sna4jsgi9g
— Frankly My Dear 🏴☠️ (@goddamnedfrank) October 4, 2017
re: #33 lawhawk
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(And yes, I was tempted to nitpick the same mistake from the Petty family in their statement about his death, but Tom Petty was awesome and Lumpy is Lumpy.)
re: #44 Charles Johnson
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To be fair to the police, according to the timeline I saw the police were outside his room about 16 minutes after the initial call but the shooting had already stopped and they were told not to enter until SWAT arrived.
Update on the ‘Being Libertarian’ thing from above - they’r trying to tell me that guns are MORE regulated than cars or bombs, because you can by diesel and Ammonium Nitrate fertilizer. Oh, and you can’t take your gun to school.
I pointed out that you can’t take your car into the school, either.
re: #56 FormerDirtDart
As a NY Mets fan, I am happy to announce, with 1 out in the top half of the first inning and runners on 3rd & 2nd, the Twins lead the Yankees 3-0, and NY is pulling their starting pitcher after 29 pitches
I cheered to soon. With 1 out in the bottom half of the first inning the score is now tied, 3-3
re: #90 Blind Frog Belly White
Update on the ‘Being Libertarian’ thing from above - they’r trying to tell me that guns are MORE regulated than cars or bombs, because you can by diesel and Ammonium Nitrate fertilizer. Oh, and you can’t take your gun to school.
I pointed out that you can’t take your car into the school, either.
These people are so fucking dense. If I didn’t know better, I’d swear it was intentional.
re: #91 FormerDirtDart
I cheered to soon. With 1 out in the bottom half of the first inning the score is now tied, 3-3
Yeah. Could be a slugfest tonight. I have to say though. These Yankees aren’t as easy to hate as the old ones.
I think wrenchwench will like this one
This box protects your $3,000 bike during shipping - https://t.co/dG3sNBSjOf pic.twitter.com/OaiBvVGLUg
— News4JAX (@wjxt4) October 4, 2017
re: #89 danarchy
That’s why I said it took more than an hour. It was about 72 minutes until they entered the room and he had killed himself long before.
thread:
Majority of late-term abortions are preformed for medical reasons, life of the mother, fetus is not compatible with life.
— Julia 🐻 (@javajulia) October 3, 2017
$1.00 EPT’s are not reliable, and they’re also shutting down women’s health centers, so more difficult to get early tests and care.
— Julia 🐻 (@javajulia) October 3, 2017
Will also put mothers whose lives are at risk in further peril by placing barriers in the way of what must be done.
— Julia 🐻 (@javajulia) October 3, 2017
re: #94 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines
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You see Betty White’s take. Betty’s sending her thoughts and prayers to Congresspeople against sensible gun laws. Thoughts: They should do something. Praying: That they get defeated for re-election. I love that lady. I hope if I make it that far, I’m as sharp witted as her.
re: #96 FormerDirtDart
I think wrenchwench will like this one
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They make $3000 fixed-gear bikes? I wouldn’t be surprised, but….
I’m not bashing the police, by the way. They did a good job. I’m bashing this fucking moron impersonating a president.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) October 4, 2017
re: #92 HappyWarrior
These people are so fucking dense. If I didn’t know better, I’d swear it was intentional.
To gunfuckers, ANY limitation is oppression. This was not always the case. They’ve actually grown MORE extreme over time, even as guns have grown more lethal and in many ways, rules have become more lax. I mean, more and more states and localities are allowing open and concealed carry, for example.
re: #103 Blind Frog Belly White
To gunfuckers, ANY limitation is oppression. This was not always the case. They’ve actually grown MORE extreme over time, even as guns have grown more lethal and in many ways, rules have become more lax. I mean, more and more states and localities are allowing open and concealed carry, for example.
Yep.
“Ginsburg slaps Gorsuch,” is the headline. But the subtext is that a justice who is nearly too old to serve is barely keeping the fight for voting rights alive in the face of an increasingly reactionary Supreme Court.
re: #96 FormerDirtDart
What do you call a $3000.00 bike?
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re: #105 Barefoot Grin
“Ginsburg slaps Gorsuch,” is the headline. But the subtext is that a justice who is nearly too old to serve is barely keeping the fight for voting rights alive in the face of an increasingly reactionary Supreme Court.
I really hope she can hold on. I don’t know if I can handle another Scalia clone.
The first inning took 45 minutes. We might have to wait a little while before knowing whether to cancel those morning flights to Cleveland.
— Peter Botte (@PeterBotte) October 4, 2017
Gonna be the best 6 hour, 45 minute ballgame of all time, amirite?!?
— Marc Carig (@MarcCarig) October 4, 2017
Small world story. Can’t believe it myself.
I had this neighbor who would sit outside and write music. He would play the songs or the bits he was working on over and over. There was this incident where a lady fell in the pool who couldn’t swim. This guy jumped in, swam under her and pushed her by the feet to the edge. Anyway we became friends, I sold him the diamond for his first marriage. When his band played local I would sometimes get in there with my camera.
Bryan Hopkins.
(CNN)Bryan Hopkins hid in a freezer with dozens of others while the deadliest mass shooting in US history unfolded in Las Vegas late Sunday night. On Monday morning, he described his experience on CNN’s “Newsroom.”Hopkins, a musical artist who had been at the Route 91 Harvest Festival, said the gunfire, which was later revealed to be coming from the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay hotel, was “constant.”
re: #22 goddamnedfrank
I’m reading this: Prophets of Deceit, Lowenthal and Guterman, 1949
I’m only two chapters in, but you might find it interesting.
I agree with you about people under-estimating stupidity, though. The Nazis in particular have been carefully re-written as almost supernatural in their malevolence and Svengali-like ability to compel…but they fucking weren’t any of that. Even the “smart” Nazis had glaring blind spots (most having the exact same blind spot: Hitler being a manbaby with a plan as thin as the plot of a dime-store western). You had regular stupid, little-cruel men happy to roll along as long as they were allowed to feel “good,” interspersed with a few clever, crueler men with enough competence to make the rough beast slouch for a years before shitting itself dead.
But at this point…I think that’s deliberate. Making the Nazis scraped-off-the-celluloid baddies covers for so much of the larger fucked-up-ness of Eurasia—the colonialism, the anti-Semitism—and ducks around awkward self-reflection. But it also deflects attention from another possible lesson of Nazi Germany: the fragility of democratic, and even human, norms. A few sociopaths and narcissists slotted into the correct positions tilted the whole fucking system…in no small part because a bunch of tunnel-visioned twats thought they could put a yoke on the nutters and make bank, but also because of a larger group of people who assumed they couldn’t be serious, that at any moment someone clever would come along and make it stop.
It’s easier to invent monsters than concede that our factory-setting basic flaws can add up to unspeakable things.
“If this isn’t the live-action remake of Bambi, I don’t know what is. pic.twitter.com/p6dIXWDKZP” @Carrie_97
— Battery H (@BatteryH) October 3, 2017
re: #97 Charles Johnson
That’s why I said it took more than an hour. It was about 72 minutes until they entered the room and he had killed himself long before.
It was fortunate that Paddock panicked and offed himself quickly. Could’ve been much worse.
And meanwhile, Brian Fischer thinks some armed guests should’ve broken into the room and taken him down.
re: #113 Mike Lamb
It was fortunate that Paddock panicked and offed himself quickly. Could’ve been much worse.
And meanwhile, Brian Fischer thinks some armed guests should’ve broken into the room and taken him down.
Which shows you Fischer knows as much about crisis situations as he does about politics and Christianity. Maybe he should find a new calling.
Tonight the truth about how despicable the media and the left are in America today. We will name names. 9 est Hannity Fox News from Vegas.
— Sean Hannity (@seanhannity) October 3, 2017
Bizarro Edward Murrow lives https://t.co/mBSWVAw9iu
— Adam Weinstein (@AdamWeinstein) October 4, 2017
Retweeted by guess who. pic.twitter.com/QsFLwkOynn
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) October 4, 2017
re: #113 Mike Lamb
I’m not sure he panicked. I’m waiting to see if this turns into the biggest suicide by cop / twisted grab for fame thing. Waiting to see, not saying that was it.
It’d be nice if someone were just honest- I don’t know what I’d do in that situation and I’m in no position to criticize the victims at all. But no we have armchair tough guys like that dipshit from Breitbart who said people should get on a tredmill if they want to avoid these.
re: #101 Barefoot Grin
They make $3000 fixed-gear bikes? I wouldn’t be surprised, but….
3 grand is for their Electrified S, which has a 250W front-wheel motor and 418Wh battery
Dam I didn’t know lumpy was in town, I would’ve went down there and heckled him.
re: #110 Unshaken Defiance
Small world story. Can’t believe it myself.
I had this neighbor who would sit outside and write music. He would play the songs or the bits he was working on over and over. There was this incident where a lady fell in the pool who couldn’t swim. This guy jumped in, swam under her and pushed her by the feet to the edge. Anyway we became friends, I sold him the diamond for his first marriage. When his band played local I would sometimes get in there with my camera.[Embedded content]
He was on CNN yesterday? today? Funky side burns. Very cool guy . Lucky & heroic.
re: #113 Mike Lamb
It was fortunate that Paddock panicked and offed himself quickly. Could’ve been much worse.
And meanwhile, Brian Fischer thinks some armed guests should’ve broken into the room and taken him down.
Just like I said downstairs:
Just play out the scneario:
You’re Joe American with a CCW and a handgun on you. You happen to be on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay and know there is an active shooter at the end of the hall.
So you decide to make the decision to try and stop him (boneheaded, I know but let’s just go with this).
Obviously the shooter isn’t going to let you in to the room. Trying to shoot through the wall isn’t the best idea. The easiest way would be to break through the door.
Even if you somehow manage to do this (guess what? Most hotel doors are pretty thick) , you’ve lost the element of surprise. If the shooter is armed to the teeth with automatic weapons, all he has to do is turn around and spray the doorway with gunfire as soon as you bust in. Then you’re down before you can even aim and pull the trigger and he can go back to his killing spree.
Being able to squeeze a shot off in time and hit him would be a minor miracle. Getting a shot off that incapacitates him would be a once in a lifetime stroke of good luck.
You have much better odds of winning the jackpot at most slot machines in Vegas than coming out of this scenario anything other than dead.
re: #111 The Ghost of a Flea
I’m reading this: Prophets of Deceit, Lowenthal and Guterman, 1949
I’m only two chapters in, but you might find it interesting.
I agree with you about people under-estimating stupidity, though. The Nazis in particular have been carefully re-written as almost supernatural in their malevolence and Svengali-like ability to compel…but they fucking weren’t any of that. Even the “smart” Nazis had glaring blind spots (most having the exact same blind spot: Hitler being a manbaby with a plan as thin as the plot of a dime-store western). You had regular stupid, little-cruel men happy to roll along as long as they were allowed to feel “good,” interspersed with a few clever, crueler men with enough competence to make the rough beast slouch for a years before shitting itself dead.
But at this point…I think that’s deliberate. Making the Nazis scraped-off-the-celluloid baddies covers for so much of the larger fucked-up-ness of Eurasia—the colonialism, the anti-Semitism—and ducks around awkward self-reflection. But it also deflects attention from another possible lesson of Nazi Germany: the fragility of democratic, and even human, norms. A few sociopaths and narcissists slotted into the correct positions tilted the whole fucking system…in no small part because a bunch of tunnel-visioned twats thought they could put a yoke on the nutters and make bank, but also because of a larger group of people who assumed they couldn’t be serious, that at any moment someone clever would come along and make it stop.
It’s easier to invent monsters than concede that our factory-setting basic flaws can add up to unspeakable things.
The Older Boy is taking a Psych class, and one of his assignments required him to watch a Ted Talk given by Philip Zimbardo, the researcher who did the Stanford Prison Experiment back in 1971. Zimbardo discussed Abu Ghraib in the context of both his experiment and the Milgram experiments. His point was that it really doesn’t take much to make the average person do really bad shit, and of course he also discussed Germany and the Nazis in this context.
Of course I’d learned about both the Milgram and Stanford studies years before, but this, combined with a further 40 years of observation of humanity, makes it a lot easier to understand how Hitler happened, and, sadly, how Trump happened.
Press conference just now confirmed that none of Paddock’s guns were modified beyond the addition of legal bump fire stocks on twelve of the rifles.
Don’t expect the Republicans do a damned thing.
re: #79 FormerDirtDart
According to the police, the police didn’t stop the demented shooter, the shooter killed himself before the police reached him
— WB Young (@FormerDirtDart) October 4, 2017
Las Vegas Metro Police Undersheriff Kevin McMahill says first call to dispatch came in about 10:08 and shooting stopped at 10:19. pic.twitter.com/dpTgjnXMgi
— CBS News (@CBSNews) October 4, 2017
Where’s that image of the “Can’t Even” scale…
Criminal law…. how does it work? We have laws for murder, rape, robbery, obstruction of justice, and yet ppl do all of the above.
— lawhawk (@lawhawk) October 4, 2017
During a visit to Nashville, I was leaving a Chinese restaurant with my wife, mom and daughter. Young guy walks by between 2 female companions. As they passed, I noticed he was wearing a belt holster with a semi-auto handgun.
Surprised even myself by exclaiming in a loud voice “Man, that guy must have a really small penis!”
My wife, mom and daughter all laughed. As did the guy’s companions. Earned me a very dirty look. ;-)
And maybe, just maybe, the guy may get the clue that when people see him wearing a gun they aren’t thinking he’s “manly”.
Since then I’ve made comments to others wearing guns in public places. May not be the smartest thing to do, but dammit, many are putting others in danger. Yes, it’s possible to wear a weapon if the person is truly responsible. But every time I read a report about a gun “accidentally” going off in a public place and then learn the idiot had a round in the chamber and a gun with no safety I realize that, like with anything else, a lot of people are idiots and not to be trusted.
re: #56 FormerDirtDart
As a NY Mets fan, I am happy to announce, with 1 out in the top half of the first inning and runners on 3rd & 2nd, the Twins lead the Yankees 3-0, and NY is pulling their starting pitcher after 29 pitches
Do you have an update on the score?
re: #123 goddamnedfrank
Press conference just now confirmed that none of Paddock’s guns were modified beyond the addition of legal bump fire stocks on twelve of the rifles.
Don’t expect the Republicans do a damned thing.
More blood for the liberty tree.
“We will be talking about gun laws as time goes by,” Mr. Trump said as he prepared to leave Washington
he says things, and the press reports them, since he’s the president of the united states, but everybody knows by now that he’s just an irrelevant clown we are forced to deal with for the duration
re: #125 lawhawk
Where’s that image of the “Can’t Even” scale…
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Why have laws at all! Criminals are just going to break them.
Wow. ATF: Las Vegas had 12 “bump-fire” stocks on guns in his hotel room.
— Matt Pearce (@mattdpearce) October 4, 2017
re: #127 I Would Prefer Not To
Do you have an update on the score?
4-3 Yanks now. Gardner just hit a home run.
I’ll bet $5 that the manufacturer of bump stocks completely sold out all their supply today.
Get’em while you still can.
No, laws don’t always prevent criminals from breaking them but they do reduce crime. If I knew, I could get away with shoplifting, i probably would and so would many people.
re: #125 lawhawk
Where’s that image of the “Can’t Even” scale…
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this “criminals would just break the law” argument is my personal nomination for stupidest and easiest to refute wingnut talking point of all time
re: #121 Eclectic Cyborg
Don’t be silly! CCW carriers are endowed with superhuman powers of wisdom, strength, and accuracy! You’d know exactly which door to kick down, it would yield to your first kick, and you’d immediately see and shoot the assailant, in a darkened room after just being in the lighted hall. Easy-peasy!
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This morning, I heard some gunfucker on the radio, when asked what we can do to prevent future attacks like this, start by talking about Gun-Free Zones.
GUN FREE ZONES?!?!?! With the shooter 400 yards away?!?!?
re: #126 A Cranky One
During a visit to Nashville, I was leaving a Chinese restaurant with my wife, mom and daughter. Young guy walks by between 2 female companions. As they passed, I noticed he was wearing a belt holster with a semi-auto handgun.
Surprised even myself by exclaiming in a loud voice “Man, that guy must have a really small penis!”
My wife, mom and daughter all laughed. As did the guy’s companions. Earned me a very dirty look. ;-)
And maybe, just maybe, the guy may get the clue that when people see him wearing a gun they aren’t thinking he’s “manly”.
Since then I’ve made comments to others wearing guns in public places. May not be the smartest thing to do, but dammit, many are putting others in danger. Yes, it’s possible to wear a weapon if the person is truly responsible. But every time I read a report about a gun “accidentally” going off in a public place and then learn the idiot had a round in the chamber and a gun with no safety I realize that, like with anything else, a lot of people are idiots and not to be trusted.
I’m in the bar of a restaurant & just spewed out loud.
Thanks.
& thanks for calling him out.
re: #136 Blind Frog Belly White
Don’t be silly! CCW carriers are endowed with superhuman powers of wisdom, strength, and accuracy! You’d know exactly which door to kick down, it would yield to your first kick, and you’d immediately see and shoot the assailant, in a darkened room after just being in the lighted hall. Easy-peasy!
////////////////This morning, I heard some gunfucker on the radio, when asked what we can do to prevent future attacks like this, start by talking about Gun-Free Zones.
GUN FREE ZONES?!?!?! With the shooter 400 yards away?!?!?
They’re so goddamn idiotic. I think they’re actually convinced by their own bullshit.
So he basically had TWELVE fully automatic assault rifles.
This country is fucking insane to allow this.
Trumpitis is apparently contagious. Watching the LV Metro newser on TV and…why in the actual fsck did the cop have to announce that they were going to show the bodycam footage on “our new and very large-screen TV”?!?!?
re: #139 Charles Johnson
So he basically had TWELVE fully automatic assault rifles.
This country is fucking insane to allow this.
It is. It really is. There is NO reason why a civilian should own these.
re: #123 goddamnedfrank
Listen to the videos.Bump stocks can do that, but now….. it’s a moot point? I think he sprayed, then picked off. With that gear, how can you miss? Shoot, toss, move, toss…reup..shoot toss…
I would have called one or two modded, but then again….I can bring up a PDF in 5 seconds on a full auto mod to about 8 different weapons. You can too.
So it was all bump/rubber bands? Yeah…
“Completely legal”……
re: #128 HappyWarrior
More blood for the liberty tree.
I knew those things were a fucking problem but I underestimated exactly how much. I’ve never seen one in person because they’re illegal here and always heard they were more of a gimmick and not used by serious gun enthusiasts because the movement tends to ruin accuracy. Clearly they were ideally suited for Paddock’s indiscriminate assault on the crowd and should never have been allowed.
re: #107 HappyWarrior
I really hope she can hold on. I don’t know if I can handle another Scalia clone.
If Ginsberg leaves SCOTUS, the RWNJ replacement will end Roe v Wade. After that, the shit will really hit the fan.
re: #143 goddamnedfrank
I knew those things were a fucking problem but I underestimated exactly how much. I’ve never seen one in person because they’re illegal here and always heard they were more of a gimmick and not used by serious gun enthusiasts because the movement tends to ruin accuracy. Clearly they were ideally suited for Paddock’s indiscriminate assault on the crowd and should never have been allowed.
The combat purpose I assume is for close combat right? I can’t imagine any reason why a civilian would need one of these.
re: #144 EPR-radar
If Ginsberg leaves SCOTUS, the RWNJ replacement will end Roe v Wade. After that, the shit will really hit the fan.
I know. Not just Roe but a lot of other important decisions too.
The opening of this @latimes #LasVagasShooting story will stop you cold. https://t.co/FgbnSW0mA0
— ed lavandera (@edlavaCNN) October 4, 2017
i don’t dare look, but i imagine outer wingnuttia is working overtime to describe the gunman as “a leftist”
re: #145 HappyWarrior
The combat purpose I assume is for close combat right? I can’t imagine any reason why a civilian would need one of these.
There is no combat reason for them. The police or military would never use the things as they can get actual automatics. The sole purpose is to circumvent the letter of the law.
re: #143 goddamnedfrank
I knew those things were a fucking problem but I underestimated exactly how much. I’ve never seen one in person because they’re illegal here and always heard they were more of a gimmick and not used by serious gun enthusiasts because the movement tends to ruin accuracy. Clearly they were ideally suited for Paddock’s indiscriminate assault on the crowd and should never have been allowed.
You can produce a sloppy “bump stock” effect without the hardware. Not going to say how.
My 3rd degree separation victim made it to the WaPo page of memorial.
re: #149 danarchy
There is no combat reason for them. The police or military would never use the things as they can get actual automatics. The sole purpose is to circumvent the letter of the law.
Gotcha thanks.
re: #145 HappyWarrior
The combat purpose I assume is for close combat right? I can’t imagine any reason why a civilian would need one of these.
Military and LE don’t need them either—they can have legal full auto.
Now I lay me down to sleep
I pray the lord my soul to keep
If I die before I wake….
It was probably an angry white guy with a gun.— Steve Marmel (@Marmel) October 2, 2017
Thoughts and prayers… https://t.co/OcXYRbQPy9
— Karoli (@Karoli) October 4, 2017
So, the thing about the bump stocks is that the gunfuckers will now say “See, he didn’t have fully automatic weapons!”, even though on Sunday night they were all saying ‘if you listen to the audio, it’s clearly automatic weapons fire!’
Oh, but that’s when they thought it was ISIS, not some old white guy with a gun fetish. Now they’ll retreat to ‘It’s not fully automatic, it’s a bump stock. You gungrabbers are so ignorant!’.
re: #150 Decatur Deb
You can produce a sloppy “bump stock” effect without the hardware. Not going to say how.
Yeah I had the same thought. Also assume that plans to 3D print the parts and assemble them with easily available springs are on the internet now or about to be.
re: #145 HappyWarrior
A rifle is simply the wrong weapon for close combat as far as I can tell
re: #148 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸
i don’t dare look, but i imagine outer wingnuttia is working overtime to describe the gunman as “a leftist”
This started within minutes of the news breaking.
re: #155 Blind Frog Belly White
So, the thing about the bump stocks is that the gunfuckers will now say “See, he didn’t have fully automatic weapons!”, even though on Sunday night they were all saying ‘if you listen to the audio, it’s clearly automatic weapons fire!’
Oh, but that’s when they thought it was ISIS, not some old white guy with a gun fetish. Now they’ll retreat to ‘It’s not fully automatic, it’s a bump stock. You gungrabbers are so ignorant!’.
Said it earlier but I really hated it when someone we used to know did that. I admit it. I don’t have an encyclopedic knowledge of guns but I think even a gun simpleton like me knows that these things are designed to kill quickly and rapidly. Totally different from that rifle you’re using against the animal you’re hunting or that possible intruder.
re: #150 Decatur Deb
Hacksaw, glue and a rubber band…
re: #157 I cannot.
A rifle is simply the wrong weapon for close combat as far as I can tell
Not sure.
re: #155 Blind Frog Belly White
So, the thing about the bump stocks is that the gunfuckers will now say “See, he didn’t have fully automatic weapons!”, even though on Sunday night they were all saying ‘if you listen to the audio, it’s clearly automatic weapons fire!’
Oh, but that’s when they thought it was ISIS, not some old white guy with a gun fetish. Now they’ll retreat to ‘It’s not fully automatic, it’s a bump stock. You gungrabbers are so ignorant!’.
My standing reply to technical pedantry relating to guns is this: “I don’t know a damn thing about gun technology. What I do know is that we have way too many guns in the US, and way too much death and destruction as a direct result of having way too many guns in the US.”
re: #159 Charles Johnson
This started within minutes of the news breaking.
My own brother was spreading the registered Democrat crap. He stopped when I pointed it out though.
re: #163 EPR-radar
My standing reply to technical pedantry relating to guns is this: “I don’t know a damn thing about gun technology. What I do know is that we have way too many guns in the US, and way too much death and destruction as a direct result of having way too many guns in the US.”
Damn straight.
re: #139 Charles Johnson
So he basically had TWELVE fully automatic assault rifles.
This country is fucking insane to allow this.
With 100 round magazines.
It’s all about the mags.
[Can’t find this tweet right now: twitter.com ]
re: #158 MsJ
Someone asked for this.
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And then there’s “I literally can’t even fucking begin to,” which is how I wake up most days. And go to bed too.
re: #154 FormerDirtDart
Hush little baby, and don’t say a word.
And never mind that noise you heard.
It’s just the NRA under your bed.
In your Congress.
All to put bullets in your head….
Simple and legal. It’s the weapon and the magazines…
Off I go…
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These evil fuckers are the equivalent of the NRA - willing volunteers trying to destroy the very concept of legitimate news and facts.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) October 4, 2017
re: #128 HappyWarrior
More blood for the liberty tree.
Just to be clear. When the gun nuts talk about “blood for the liberty tree” they aren’t talking about their own blood, but about the blood shed by liberals and non-whites because those people dared to oppose them.
5 Ways To Honor The Victims Of The Las Vegas Shooting Without Being Disrespectful To The NRA
re: #67 lawhawk
Yeah, except he has zero idea what quotation marks mean.
re: #121 Eclectic Cyborg
re: #136 Blind Frog Belly White
I haven’t seen it mentioned here, so I’ll chime in to say that I saw a report on TV this evening that Stephen Paddock (or somebody - they are assuming it was him) had secreted a small webcam - on a food cart in the hallway of the Mandalay Bay - so that (as they are surmising) he would be able to see anybody “sneaking” up on him from the hall.
So so much for the Internet Tough Guys’ “bust in and heroically stop him” BS: a heavily-armed psychotic sniper/killer is bad enough: a thoughtful and well-prepared heavily-armed psychotic sniper/killer is a couple of degrees worse….
re: #136 Blind Frog Belly White
Don’t be silly! CCW carriers are endowed with superhuman powers of wisdom, strength, and accuracy! You’d know exactly which door to kick down, it would yield to your first kick, and you’d immediately see and shoot the assailant, in a darkened room after just being in the lighted hall. Easy-peasy!
////////////////This morning, I heard some gunfucker on the radio, when asked what we can do to prevent future attacks like this, start by talking about Gun-Free Zones.
GUN FREE ZONES?!?!?! With the shooter 400 yards away?!?!?
They’ve all watched action movies, and they all think they’re Tom Cruise. Look, some prettyboy like Tom Cruise can shoot all those bad guys and never miss — you know a real he-man like Sean Hannity can do it, too! Now watch this, I’m gonna shoot lightning outta my fingers like Chris Hemsworth.
One of the victims in the Las Vegas attack was a cop (off duty) attending the concert.
Official on @LVMPD officer killed Sunday: Though Officer Hartfield was at the concert as a civilian he immediately took action to save lives pic.twitter.com/uVbZZEfzx7
— Fox News (@FoxNews) October 4, 2017
Wont matter. If Sandy Hook didn’t change anything for the GOP, the slaughter in Vegas wont. They are entirely owned by the NRA.
re: #177 Jay C
I haven’t seen it mentioned here, so I’ll chime in to say that I saw a report on TV this evening that Stephen Paddock (or somebody - they are assuming it was him) had secreted a small webcam - on a food cart in the hallway of the Mandalay Bay - so that (as they are surmising) he would be able to see anybody “sneaking” up on him from the hall.
So so much for the Internet Tough Guys’ “bust in and heroically stop him” BS: a heavily-armed psychotic sniper/killer is bad enough: a thoughtful and well-prepared heavily-armed psychotic sniper/killer is a couple of degrees worse….
Yeah I heard that too. This whole situation really busts their whole fantasy but it hasn’t stopped em.
re: #179 lawhawk
One of the victims in the Las Vegas attack was a cop (off duty) attending the concert.
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Wont matter. If Sandy Hook didn’t change anything for the GOP, the slaughter in Vegas wont. They are entirely owned by the NRA.
He did the right thing. RIP Officer.
What a macho, gun-packing Instagram star did when he was caught in the Las Vegas shooting https://t.co/ASCjGhHcSd
— Washington Post (@washingtonpost) October 4, 2017
re: #177 Jay C
I haven’t seen it mentioned here, so I’ll chime in to say that I saw a report on TV this evening that Stephen Paddock (or somebody - they are assuming it was him) had secreted a small webcam - on a food cart in the hallway of the Mandalay Bay - so that (as they are surmising) he would be able to see anybody “sneaking” up on him from the hall.
So so much for the Internet Tough Guys’ “bust in and heroically stop him” BS: a heavily-armed psychotic sniper/killer is bad enough: a thoughtful and well-prepared heavily-armed psychotic sniper/killer is a couple of degrees worse….
I think the NYT timeline mentioned a hotel security guard was shot in the leg as he approached the room.
this situation was definitely not amenable to the “good guy with a gun” fantasy
re: #148 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸
i don’t dare look, but i imagine outer wingnuttia is working overtime to describe the gunman as “a leftist”
Yesterday the fake news bot squad was spamming #TheResistance hashtag with some bogus outrage over some “Leftist antifa teacher” Twitter account that expressed unkind thoughts and curses towards the Las Vegas victims. This alleged “leftist” Twitter was “discovered” by Alex Jones & Paul Watson and then immediately deleted.
Today the bot swarms are silent or at least have moved on to another fake news outrage that they created.
re: #182 Kragar
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It’s easy to talk about being a macho bad ass. It’s a lot easier to be a tough bad ass. I’ll be the first to admit. I’d be scared shitless in that situation and honestly the more the guys that admit they will, maybe we’d be better off.
Quick quiz for everyone:
How well do you think an Intercept-endorsed candidate will do in Hattiesburg, Mississippi? After all, isn’t it axiomatic among the left that the working class want candidates with more socialist leanings than the Democrats?
(Insert Jeopardy music here)
Nope.
TOTAL: McGee 2,059 (68.09%), Rehner 961 (31.78%).
— The Hattiesburg Post (@HattiesburgPost) October 4, 2017
re: #186 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸
this situation was definitely not amenable to the “good guy with a gun” fantasy
It literally is the worst one they could come up with.
There’s some left wing fake news too, but it’s dwarfed by the tsunami of deliberately deceptive garbage coming from the right every day.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) October 4, 2017
re: #182 Kragar
Tough guys….but he wasn’t packing a sniper rifle or bump stock ar something swinging and it’s like a concert and he’s important and needs to report on shit and stuff.
Muthafukka…..
re: #189 HappyWarrior
It’s easy to talk about being a macho bad ass. It’s a lot easier to be a tough bad ass. I’ll be the first to admit. I’d be scared shitless in that situation and honestly the more the guys that admit they will, maybe we’d be better off.
Thing is, dude has an arsenal at home.
I’m worried the bad press is going to make him flip
We play video games. We watch movies. We see the news. We all want to be the hero and you know what, it’s admirable to want to be a hero. But there’s more ways to be a hero than go guns a blazing. I was talking to an undergrad tonight when I was making my annual donation to my alma mater. He asked me what inspires me to give back. I told him well I like helping people. It’s why I’m in the field I’m in and I feel like I’ve been able to accomplish that and I feel that by donating to the scholarship fund, I can help someone get their education that wasn’t as fortunate as I was to have well off parents that helped pay my tuition.
Just saw video of puss in cheif greet mayor cruz in PR. he looked scared and truthfully oooked like he didn’t recognize her. Disgraceful.
“Pro-lifers” in congress have gutted a child healthcare program and defended the right to own automatic weapons and silencers. pic.twitter.com/XLxxtQqy1T
— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) October 4, 2017
re: #194 Stanley Sea
Thing is, dude has an arsenal at home.
I’m worried the bad press is going to make him flip
Hope not.
re: #194 Stanley Sea
Thing is, dude has an arsenal at home.
I’m worried the bad press is going to make him flip
His buddies were on CNN, he wasn’t.
re: #143 goddamnedfrank
I knew those things were a fucking problem but I underestimated exactly how much. I’ve never seen one in person because they’re illegal here and always heard they were more of a gimmick and not used by serious gun enthusiasts because the movement tends to ruin accuracy. Clearly they were ideally suited for Paddock’s indiscriminate assault on the crowd and should never have been allowed.
Full auto has been illegal with the oft mentioned exceptions since what, Bonnie and Clyde? This attack shows why. Maybe you saw my post earlier, those things either already were or need to be illegal.
re: #197 Kragar
As always, the Republicans are a death cult. Why US Christianity hasn’t called out the Republican party en masse as being Satan’s earthly agents is beyond me.
re: #201 EPR-radar
As always, the Republicans are a death cult. Why US Christianity hasn’t called out the Republican party en masse as being Satan’s earthly agents is beyond me.
Well U.S. Christianity benefits the GOP and the GOP benefits U.S. Christianity. It’s an interesting dynamic. I do wish more American Christians would call out the GOP though.
Stephen Paddock Doesn’t Fit Mass Shooter Profile https://t.co/DKMBe0ikaA
— TMZ (@TMZ) October 2, 2017
He fits the profile on a plane
He fits the profile in the rain
He fits the profile day and night
He fits the profile:
Male and white. https://t.co/LeYJViY849— AGirlHasNoPresident (@kamtheleo) October 2, 2017
re: #182 Kragar
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Bilzerian went through SEAL training twice, finally washed out on a shooting range safety violation, which he calls “no good reason.” The guy is the quintessential entitled rich boy unstable steroid abusing fuckwit.
re: #203 Interesting Times
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If he were non white and heaven forbid Muslim, I don’t even want to think what would be going on right now.
re: #200 Unshaken Defiance
Full auto has been illegal with the oft mentioned exceptions since what, Bonnie and Clyde? This attack shows why. Maybe you saw my post earlier, those things either already were or need to be illegal.
Not illegal. Highly regulated, cradle to grave, plus a $250 tax.
Anyone who can pass a background check can buy an MA-2.
If you can afford it (and the ammo).
re: #201 EPR-radar
As always, the Republicans are a death cult. Why US Christianity hasn’t called out the Republican party en masse as being Satan’s earthly agents is beyond me.
American Christianity has been copacetic with anti-Christian GOP policies for decades.
There are plenty of times I wonder why Andy Schafly’s Conservative Bible Project never caught on. I still kinda expect them to publish a new Bible one of these days that cuts out all that dumb Jesus stuff and sticks to the real Bible stories, like when God’s Favorite Sons Ronnie and Donnie killed all the black people.
re: #207 scottslemmons
American Christianity has been copacetic with anti-Christian GOP policies for decades.
There are plenty of times I wonder why Andy Schafly’s Conservative Bible Project never caught on. I still kinda expect them to publish a new Bible one of these days that cuts out all that dumb Jesus stuff and sticks to the real Bible stories, like when God’s Favorite Sons Ronnie and Donnie killed all the black people.
Jesus and the Tax Cut for the Wealthy. And so sayeth the lord, thou art a moocher and thou just want free stuff.
An early look at Wednesday’s front…
Ban this mass murder tool: https://t.co/66e2zmHiLU pic.twitter.com/NroOw3p6TE— New York Daily News (@NYDailyNews) October 4, 2017
White privilege is my father being practically the same age and the same race as Paddock and not having to worried about being profiled by police or having the media blame his “culture” for the shooting. That’s privilege.
re: #204 goddamnedfrank
Bilzerian went through SEAL training twice, finally failed on a shooting range safety violation, which he calls “no good reason.” The guy is the quintessential entitled rich boy unstable steroid abusing fuckwit.
And horrible abuser of willing women.
The women are willing, they are abused.
tr*mp is widely regarded as being a malignant narcissist, but I think the issue may be even more severe than that. I think he’s functionally a solipsist.
IMO tr*mp is the center and totality of his own universe, and other people impinge on his awareness only as voices/images on a screen or as appliances to be used.
re: #206 austin_blue
Not illegal. Highly regulated, cradle to grave, plus a $250 tax.
Anyone who can pass a background check can buy an MA-2.
If you can afford it (and the ammo).
For $299 an hour you can shoot one…in Vegas.
battlefieldvegas.com
Aaron Judge goes deep. All Rise!
(ha ha, made you rise.)
So it was my birthday the other day and even though I’m unemployed and don’t exactly have lots of spare cash, I ordered a present for myself. It’s explicityly a finger in the eye of the GOP and it’s pretense of patriotism and freedom.
Back in the early days of Bush the Lesser’s gulf wars, the French were derided for not wanting to go along with our stupidity. A lot of crap was given them over their relatively early surrender in WWII, “Only dropped Once” as a slight on their courage, with no thought given to the 1.4 million Poilus who died defending their homeland in almost 5 years of the most brutal warfare the world has ever seen during WWI. So fuck the GOP.
Goodnight all. May the light find us all. I’m a music fan and Tom Petty was one of my favorites. I posted this earlier, and it would seem to fit the evening better. It’s from the Wildflowers release, and I have that in my never getting tired of listening to list.
This is a longer jam on a great song and shows a side of the band not seen by those who didn’t follow them. Hope you enjoy it, I will always.
I suggest headphones/earbuds/…your choice of volume.
Some losses diminish me, and I think this takes a nick out of me. Such is life, such is this.
I’m trying to kick the door open that somewhat closed on me. I’m kicking.
Thanks all.
re: #216 William Lewis
So it was my birthday the other day and even though I’m unemployed and don’t exactly have lots of spare cash, I ordered a present for myself. It’s explicityly a finger in the eye of the GOP and it’s pretense of patriotism and freedom.
Back in the early days of Bush the Lesser’s gulf wars, the French were derided for not wanting to go along with our stupidity. A lot of crap was given them over their relatively early surrender in WWII, “Only dropped Once” as a slight on their courage, with no thought given to the 1.4 million Poilus who died defending their homeland in almost 5 years of the most brutal warfare the world has ever seen during WWI. So fuck the GOP.
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Yep I was in Ypres this summer. Us Americans have no appreciation at all for the sacrifices made. Anyone who belittles the French as cowards is an idiot.
The right-wing gun nuts are triggered now
re: #182 Kragar
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Yeah, that’s the guy I mentioned a few threads ago. Couldn’t recall his name or why he was famous. Just that Twitter was calling him either a hero or the stupidest man in the world. I voted the latter.
re: #214 Ace Rothstein
For $299 an hour you can shoot one…in Vegas.
battlefieldvegas.com
You can shoot all sorts of full auto weapons in the Vegas area
re: #121 Eclectic Cyborg:
(snip fantasy of a “good man with a gun” taking on Paddock)
Well, that’s pretty close to what actually happened here:
When a security guard approached Paddock’s room, the gunman fired through the door and struck him in the leg, police said.
A “strike team” of police assembled to breach the door.
So yeah, your good men with guns would have been completely overwhelmed.
A fellow arrives from afar
In order to help in PR.
Regrettably, though,
He doesn’t quite know
What kindness and decency are.— Limericking (@Limericking) October 4, 2017
re: #222 FormerDirtDart
You can shoot all sorts of full auto weapons in the Vegas area
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I remember that. I was so pissed at that father. Glad the little girl was unhurt but infuriating that he put her in that situation. A child that young should not be handling a gun let alone an Uzi.
White House chief of staff won’t let Russia-linked GOP lawmaker meet with Trump: report https://t.co/voWokFAlNE pic.twitter.com/OhWt6mpj0S
— The Hill (@thehill) October 4, 2017
re: #222 FormerDirtDart
You can shoot all sorts of full auto weapons in the Vegas area
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Ok, this is the first thing that came to mind, but I don’t know enough. I’ve just seen TV shows where there are these ranges out in the desert that allow people to use weapons unavailable to most people. I thought, “I’ll bet Paddock went out to the desert to some of those extreme ranges to practice and thought, ‘fuck it, let’s try this on human targets.’”
re: #174 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos
Just to be clear. When the gun nuts talk about “blood for the liberty tree” they aren’t talking about their own blood, but about the blood shed by liberals and non-whites because those people dared to oppose them.
In other words, freeloaders.
They’re very free with other people’s blood and other people’s lives.
re: #216 William Lewis
So it was my birthday the other day and even though I’m unemployed and don’t exactly have lots of spare cash, I ordered a present for myself. It’s explicityly a finger in the eye of the GOP and it’s pretense of patriotism and freedom.
Back in the early days of Bush the Lesser’s gulf wars, the French were derided for not wanting to go along with our stupidity. A lot of crap was given them over their relatively early surrender in WWII, “Only dropped Once” as a slight on their courage, with no thought given to the 1.4 million Poilus who died defending their homeland in almost 5 years of the most brutal warfare the world has ever seen during WWI. So fuck the GOP.
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If I may, here’s a song to go with that shirt. From Odessey and Oracle by The Zombies.
re: #204 goddamnedfrank
Shouldn’t you be familiar with range safety LONG before you get to SEAL training?
Yeah, good luck getting Republican vote to change laws to allow Puerto Rico to declare bankruptcy
WATCH: Trump tells ‘your friends on Wall Street’ they’ll have to ‘wave goodbye’ to Puerto Rico’s debt https://t.co/1L7jXiNcRo
— Raw Story (@RawStory) October 4, 2017
Scalise: Don’t use Las Vegas shooting to push for stricter gun laws https://t.co/FQn0YT434k pic.twitter.com/XolSOy0oT2
— The Hill (@thehill) October 4, 2017
1) Does that mean we can still use the other 270+ mass shootings this year to push for #guncontrol?
2) Fuck Scalise https://t.co/86YLaa3ooq— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) October 4, 2017
re: #222 FormerDirtDart
The thing about all those stories is that they clearly demonstrate the adults—all the adults—involved did not respect the (lethal) purpose of the weapon.
Beyond “gun safety” to prevent negligent discharge, there’s a whole other level of “what the fuck are you using the weapon for?” protocol that’s not being respected. Firing a weapon full auto shouldn’t be a novelty experience until you’ve cleared a lot of levels of “I respect this fucking thing will kill, easily, if not handled right.”
I feel sorry for the kids. They don’t know better, and they have tiny kids brains where the line between tool and toy blurs.
Someone posted this Teapain article about the second amendment and the constitution: teapainusa.wordpress.com. I didn’t have the time to read it at work, but I finally did. It makes a pretty good argument.
re: #30 The Vicious Babushka
Who is this mother fucker?
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Christians try to help hateful, hell-bound, people like you get right, but they fully reject your bigotry and hate.
— Jeff Furlington (@FurlingtonJeff) October 4, 2017
re: #223 mmmirele
So yeah, your good men with guns would have been completely overwhelmed.
This was a large outdoor country music event in freaking Nevada, so my guess is that at least a hundred of the audience were macho gun carriers. And yet not one of them took out the bad guy. How can this be?
re: #235 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis
REPORT: Las Vegas Shooter May Have Originally Targeted A Different Music Festival
As a historian, I should be fascinated by the unraveling of our country. But every day I wake up in utter despair.
How could so many in our country vote for and support the fascist piece of human garbage? I am at a loss.
Yankees catcher just took a foul ball straight into the ‘cup’
re: #196 VegasGolfer
“Just saw video of puss in cheif greet mayor cruz in PR. he looked scared and truthfully oooked like he didn’t recognize her. Disgraceful.”
His look conveyed cowardice writ large. He didn’t have the courage to say to Mayor Cruz in person the things he said about her on Twitter, yet, his supporters describe him as a “strong leader.” I remember when Pres. Obama addressed the SCOTUS’ Citizens United decision and revealed how it would corrupt our government officials [it has,] and he did it with most of the justices sitting in the audience. I remember when Pres. GHW Bush renounced his lifetime membership in the NRA and publicly labeled trickle-down economics “voodoo economics.” These are examples of leaders with courage. Trump’s special talent is throwing bombs while hiding behind the bushes. He has a habit of doing this and when he meets his targets, he doesn’t say sh*t. He didn’t show up for Wray’s swearing-in ceremony at the FBI last week, not because he didn’t have time, but because he’d attacked the agents and was at least, for once, smart enough to maybe understand that he wouldn’t get a warm reception.
Tonight the truth about how despicable the media and the left are in America today. We will name names. 9 est Hannity Fox News from Vegas.
— Sean Hannity (@seanhannity) October 3, 2017
— WB Young (@FormerDirtDart) October 4, 2017
re: #237 Kragar
Given that the leap from “Country music” to “Christian and Patriot” is already thin, and he’s specifically throwing shade at the SPLC because the new far-right thing is to claim that group has provoked violence against “Christians” and “patriots” by accurately describing the beliefs and actions of specific (very fucking hateful) individuals and interest groups…including Matt Barber…
…chances are good he doesn’t give a single flying fuck whether his speculation has weight. This is self-serving, corpse-fucking opportunism barely disguised as umbrage.
re: #239 FormerDirtDart
Yankees catcher just took a foul ball straight into the ‘cup’
Owie.
The Twins have a pretty dismal record against The Yankees. We’re hoping for the best but expecting the worst.
I can’t remember if it’s Matt “Bam Bam” Barber who used to go undercover to gay bars to “report” on the Evils of Gays or some other gibbering homophobe.
re: #236 whitebeach
This was a large outdoor country music event in freaking Nevada, so my guess is that at least a hundred of the audience were macho gun carriers. And yet not one of them took out the bad guy. How can this be?
I posted this last thread, but it’s relevant again:
What the country group that performed before the shooting thought, until it actually happened to them: m.dailykos.com
I’ve been a proponent of the 2nd amendment my entire life.
Until the events of last night. I cannot express how wrong I was. We actually have members of our crew with CHL licenses, and legal firearms on the bus.
They were useless.
We couldn’t touch them for fear police might think that we were part of the massacre and shoot us. A small group (or one man) laid waste to a city with dedicated, fearless police officers desperately trying to help, because of access to an insane amount of fire power.
Enough is enough.
Writing my parents and the love of my life a goodbye note last night and a living will because I felt like I wasn’t going to live through the night was enough for me to realize that this is completely and totally out of hand. There rounds were powerful enough that my crew guys just standing in close proximity of a victim shot by this fucking coward received shrapnel wounds.
We need gun control RIGHT. NOW.
My biggest regret is that I stubbornly didn’t realize it until my brothers on the road and myself were threatened by it.
We are unbelievably fortunate to not be among the victims killed or seriously wounded by this maniac.
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