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Charles Johnson  Oct 4, 2017 • 7:13:17pm
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jaunte  Oct 4, 2017 • 7:15:51pm

Narrator: “That was a shot, but no way was it a jump shot.”

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jaunte  Oct 4, 2017 • 7:17:43pm
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wheat-dogg  Oct 4, 2017 • 7:20:37pm

re: #2 jaunte

Narrator: “That was a shot, but no way was it a jump shot.”

Trump can’t jump.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 4, 2017 • 7:22:26pm

re: #4 wheat-dogg

Trump can’t jump.

Dude, everybody knows white supremacists can’t jump.

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Ace Rothstein  Oct 4, 2017 • 7:22:58pm

Just saw a shot of Randy Johnson in the stands. Dude STILL has the mullet and attire from the 80s. (Side note: Johnson got to go on tour with Rush as their photographer and his work is quite good.)

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Ace Rothstein  Oct 4, 2017 • 7:24:13pm

re: #4 wheat-dogg

Trump can’t jump.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 4, 2017 • 7:24:21pm
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jaunte  Oct 4, 2017 • 7:24:58pm

re: #7 Ace Rothstein

They need to do one with the overextended Trump knee.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2017 • 7:27:11pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

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RTed by Professor Tribe. Nice!

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jaunte  Oct 4, 2017 • 7:28:59pm

Las Vegas shooter tried to blow up/burn everyone at that concert.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2017 • 7:30:14pm

re: #11 jaunte

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Las Vegas shooter tried to blow up/burn everyone at that concert.

Man I can’t imagine how awful that would have been had he succeeded. Already horrible as was but damn. What kind of a sick son of a bitch?

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whitebeach  Oct 4, 2017 • 7:34:44pm

re: #5 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Dude, everybody knows white supremacists can’t jump.

True, but it was a pretty decent hog-wallow toss.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 4, 2017 • 7:35:49pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 4, 2017 • 7:36:00pm

re: #11 jaunte

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Las Vegas shooter tried to blow up/burn everyone at that concert.

Did he have incendiary ammunition? Don’t know if it would’ve caught fire if he didn’t, unless he got lucky and got it to spill near something live.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2017 • 7:36:14pm

re: #6 Ace Rothstein

Just saw a shot of Randy Johnson in the stands. Dude STILL has the mullet and attire from the 80s. (Side note: Johnson got to go on tour with Rush as their photographer and his work is quite good.)

He was the most intimidating pitcher I ever saw. The O’s somehow managed to bear him twice in the 1997 ALDS. I’ve seen his photographs. He’s quite talented.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 4, 2017 • 7:36:50pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 4, 2017 • 7:37:35pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

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I love you, Charles.

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mmmirele  Oct 4, 2017 • 7:38:27pm

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electrotek  Oct 4, 2017 • 7:39:53pm
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Ace Rothstein  Oct 4, 2017 • 7:40:23pm

re: #16 HappyWarrior

When he was with the Astros (briefly), I went to all of his his home starts at the Dome. Watching him bat was, shall we say, interesting. Nike even made a commercial out of how funny he looked at the plate. Anyway, one night he lunged at a pitch nearly losing his grip on the bat and hit a double of the wall. The Astros’ dugout was in hysterics, and even Unit managed to laugh. Great times.

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Ace Rothstein  Oct 4, 2017 • 7:41:39pm

re: #16 HappyWarrior

I’m sure you get the bird reference.

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whitebeach  Oct 4, 2017 • 7:42:00pm

re: #12 HappyWarrior

Man I can’t imagine how awful that would have been had he succeeded. Already horrible as was but damn. What kind of a sick son of a bitch?

Know what I think? I think the fucker was so mindwasted that he believed the hip-hop concert was still going on at that venue.

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Birth Control Works  Oct 4, 2017 • 7:42:12pm

re: #20 electrotek

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really, Israel said that?

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EPR-radar  Oct 4, 2017 • 7:42:28pm

re: #19 mmmirele

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Birth Control Works  Oct 4, 2017 • 7:42:45pm

re: #23 whitebeach

Know what I think? I think the fucker was so mindwasted that he believed the hip-hop concert was still going on at that venue.

hip-hop is a threat?

I think not.

Mostly it’s poetry.

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TedStriker  Oct 4, 2017 • 7:42:59pm

re: #6 Ace Rothstein

Just saw a shot of Randy Johnson in the stands. Dude STILL has the mullet and attire from the 80s. (Side note: Johnson got to go on tour with Rush as their photographer and his work is quite good.)

re: #16 HappyWarrior

He was the most intimidating pitcher I ever saw. The O’s somehow managed to bear him twice in the 1997 ALDS. I’ve seen his photographs. He’s quite talented.

Johnson partnered with Alice Cooper to open Alice Cooper’stown in Phoenix; they have a 22-inch hot dog named “The Big Unit”.

A little too on the nose there…

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Ace Rothstein  Oct 4, 2017 • 7:43:25pm

re: #23 whitebeach

I think the guy had a terminal illness and said fuck it.

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Birth Control Works  Oct 4, 2017 • 7:43:31pm

bbl

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HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2017 • 7:45:15pm

re: #22 Ace Rothstein

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I’m sure you get the bird reference.

Oh certainly. Maybe he and Dave Winfield could partner up.

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Birth Control Works  Oct 4, 2017 • 7:46:29pm

wait:

But one reason, beyond outright racism, why white people are less frequently charged with terrorism than Muslims in the United States lies with the little-known fact that while federal law does define “domestic terrorism”, it does not codify “domestic terrorism” as a federal crime. (At least 33 states do, however, have anti-terror legislation.) This is partly out of concern that such a statute could go a long way toward criminalizing thought and trampling on the first amendment.

now, bbl

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HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2017 • 7:46:43pm

re: #23 whitebeach

Know what I think? I think the fucker was so mindwasted that he believed the hip-hop concert was still going on at that venue.

Makes me wonder if my brother’s friends went to that. They were in LV recently.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2017 • 7:47:49pm

re: #27 TedStriker

Johnson partnered with Alice Cooper to open Alice Cooper’stown in Phoenix; they have a 22-inch hot dog named “The Big Unit”.

A little too on the nose there…

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22 inches? Jeez. Isn’t Cooper a part owner of the Suns? I like Cooper. Don’t agree with his politics but he’s not a dick.

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Ace Rothstein  Oct 4, 2017 • 7:48:53pm

re: #30 HappyWarrior

The New York Post splashed the following headline on its front page the next day (August 5, 1983):

“MURDER MOST FOWL!”

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electrotek  Oct 4, 2017 • 7:49:08pm

re: #24 Birth Control Works

really, Israel said that?

Oh, no. I’m saying that America should take a page from Israel when they declared Kahane Chai and Kach to be terrorist organizations after the Hebron massacre.

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mmmirele  Oct 4, 2017 • 7:49:19pm

re: #25 EPR-radar

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HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2017 • 7:50:04pm

re: #34 Ace Rothstein

The New York Post splashed the following headline on its front page the next day (August 5, 1983):

“MURDER MOST FOWL!”

That’s brilliant.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Oct 4, 2017 • 7:58:34pm

so far, the only explanation i can come up with that makes sense to me is that the fucker had sick fantasies of doing what he did that he never expressed and finally decided to act out

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Charles Johnson  Oct 4, 2017 • 8:00:13pm
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TedStriker  Oct 4, 2017 • 8:00:20pm

re: #33 HappyWarrior

22 inches? Jeez. Isn’t Cooper a part owner of the Suns? I like Cooper. Don’t agree with his politics but he’s not a dick.

After he took the band’s name as his own legal name (and has had a much more commercially successful career since), he made sure the original band members, his friends, were taken care of:

The ownership of the Alice Cooper name is an example of the value of a single copyright or trademark. Since “Alice Cooper” was originally the name of the band, and not the lead singer (a la Pink Floyd, Uriah Heep, Jethro Tull, Amy Meredith, etc.), and it was owned by the band as whole, Cooper continues to pay a yearly royalty to his original bandmates for the right to use the name.

en.wikipedia.org

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 4, 2017 • 8:01:49pm

re: #27 TedStriker

Johnson partnered with Alice Cooper to open Alice Cooper’stown in Phoenix; they have a 22-inch hot dog named “The Big Unit”.

A little too on the nose there…

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I would need a full bottle of Brioschi to survive an encounter with Alice’s monster dog!

TOO MUCH!!!!!!
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EPR-radar  Oct 4, 2017 • 8:02:23pm

re: #39 Charles Johnson

Great. The next heavily armed nutjob with a terminal rageboner will need to be that much less creative.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2017 • 8:04:51pm

re: #40 TedStriker

After he took the band’s name as his own legal name (and has had a much more commercially successful career since), he made sure the original band members, his friends, were taken care of:

en.wikipedia.org

Like him even more now. And while I’m not a huge fan of his music, the child in me will always love School’s Out.

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Birth Control Works  Oct 4, 2017 • 8:05:09pm
There is a vital difference between popular opinion and democracy. Authoritarianism has always benefited by confusing the two.

No Eulogy for the Living

you knew I couldn’t stay away

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HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2017 • 8:05:44pm

re: #41 Joe Bacon 🌹

I would need a full bottle of Brioschi to survive an encounter with Alice’s monster dog!

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I’d have one if I’m ever in Phoenix. Would want a nice cold one to wash it down tho.

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Birth Control Works  Oct 4, 2017 • 8:07:47pm
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ObserverArt  Oct 4, 2017 • 8:07:52pm

re: #3 jaunte

Michael F Ozaki MD @brontyman
Are you wondering too that the reason why 45 hasn’t firedTillerson is because Putin picked him for the job?
10:16 PM - Oct 4, 2017
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Been wondering about that since I learned of Tillerson and big Russian Oil deals for Exxon Mobil.

Pretty sure Mueller will be interested in looking at that too. One of the reasons he has all those lawyers that specialize in money moving, offshore banking, and funny deals like way overpaying for things like real estate.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 4, 2017 • 8:07:56pm

OK I just went to USA today & got an autoplay ad.

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Birth Control Works  Oct 4, 2017 • 8:07:58pm
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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Oct 4, 2017 • 8:10:13pm

re: #41 Joe Bacon 🌹

I would need a full bottle of Brioschi to survive an encounter with Alice’s monster dog!

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i would need at least a fifth of tequila to even begin to think i could eat such a thing

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 4, 2017 • 8:16:22pm

Cheerful
I wonder how resistant i still am

Facebook

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Decatur Deb  Oct 4, 2017 • 8:16:52pm

For consideration: Jet fuel is a hell of a lot harder to ignite than the 87 octane stuff you put in your Volkswagen. Psycho shooter might not have known that.

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Ace Rothstein  Oct 4, 2017 • 8:17:41pm

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Dave In Austin  Oct 4, 2017 • 8:18:50pm
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Dave In Austin  Oct 4, 2017 • 8:19:47pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2017 • 8:20:37pm

re: #54 Dave In Austin

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Man of God? Ha gotta love the RR’s projection on to Trump. Trump could care less about religion except as a means of keeping power.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 4, 2017 • 8:21:02pm
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ObserverArt  Oct 4, 2017 • 8:21:05pm

re: #52 Decatur Deb

For consideration: Jet fuel is a hell of a lot harder to ignite than the 87 octane stuff you put in your Volkswagen. Psycho shooter might not have known that.

It’s a lot like a highly purified and cleaner kerosene. It gets heated not lit because it doesn’t have a lot of vapor.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2017 • 8:21:10pm

re: #55 Dave In Austin

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Ah much more accurate!

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Oct 4, 2017 • 8:25:30pm

Elevated firing positions are a law enforcement nightmare. The first of the modern mass murderers, the Texas Tower sniper of 1966, killed 14 and wounded 31 on a fairly ordinary day with no large gatherings around.
Incidentally, a lot of civilian “good guys with guns” did fetch their rifles and return fire, to no effect other than to add to the chaos and possibly cause at least two of the wounds. Officer Ray Martinez was nearly killed by fire from the ground right after he and another officer shot and killed the sniper on the library observation deck.

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Birth Control Works  Oct 4, 2017 • 8:27:57pm

Labels are serious business!

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Dave In Austin  Oct 4, 2017 • 8:30:19pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 4, 2017 • 8:32:36pm
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teleskiguy  Oct 4, 2017 • 8:37:07pm

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 4, 2017 • 8:42:51pm

re: #43 HappyWarrior

Like him even more now. And while I’m not a huge fan of his music, the child in me will always love School’s Out.

Muppets - Alice Cooper - School’s Out

Alice Cooper & The Muppets - “Welcome To My Nightmare”

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sizzzzlerz  Oct 4, 2017 • 8:48:39pm
Just saw a shot of Randy Johnson in the stands. Dude STILL has the mullet and attire from the 80s. (Side note: Johnson got to go on tour with Rush as their photographer and his work is quite good.)

A dude who won 303 games, 5 Cy Young awards, and pitched 2 no-hitters, one, a perfect game, and is in the BBHoF can wear his hair any damn way he wants!

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allegro  Oct 4, 2017 • 8:50:01pm

TFW you hear the kittens batting something about on the floor and go “hmmm”. Look and realize it’s your current toothbrush and you know you don’t have any more. Ew.

(I’m a good 2 days behind on threads. I have surpassed I can’t fucking even…)

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mmmirele  Oct 4, 2017 • 8:54:09pm

re: #67 allegro

Years ago, I once caught one of my cats bouncing my great grandmother’s wedding set up against the dryer. She liked the sound, I guess.

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allegro  Oct 4, 2017 • 8:54:51pm

re: #68 mmmirele

Years ago, I once caught one of my cats bouncing my great grandmother’s wedding set up against the dryer. She liked the sound, I guess.

Wedding set?

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sizzzzlerz  Oct 4, 2017 • 8:57:39pm

re: #67 allegro

TFW you hear the kittens batting something about on the floor and go “hmmm”. Look and realize it’s your current toothbrush and you know you don’t have any more. Ew.

You’ve got two kittens and you’re complaining?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 4, 2017 • 8:58:08pm

re: #69 allegro

Wedding set?

Google says two band wedding ring.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 4, 2017 • 9:01:46pm

re: #38 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

so far, the only explanation i can come up with that makes sense to me is that the fucker had sick fantasies of doing what he did that he never expressed and finally decided to act out

I kind of wonder if he got a degenerative medical diagnosis and in his psychopathy just angrily decided to take as many people with him as he could.

I low grade worry about this with Trump all the time.

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allegro  Oct 4, 2017 • 9:04:15pm

re: #70 sizzzzlerz

You’ve got two kittens and you’re complaining?

Have you ever had two kittens?!! I’ve had to renovate my home end to end for those little boogers and I’m still playing whack-a-mole trying to kitten-proof it. What one doesn’t think of the other does. One is power on the ground and the other is the aerial artist.

And you are absolutely correct. I adore them.

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electrotek  Oct 4, 2017 • 9:05:05pm

re: #63 Charles Johnson

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This makes me want to become a drag queen and name myself QUEEN AUNTEEFA and strike fear into the hearts of wingnuts the world over.

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Kragar  Oct 4, 2017 • 9:06:44pm

re: #63 Charles Johnson

“You know I don’t make sources up.”

[expletive redacted]

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RiverBoy  Oct 4, 2017 • 9:07:24pm

re: #63 Charles Johnson

If this man had no influence what so ever, I swear I would watch him all the time. Strictly for comedic purposes of course. Him waving around the paper claiming it’s high level CIA info would have me cracking up if not for the fact that are too many ignorant folk out there that believe every word.

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Birth Control Works  Oct 4, 2017 • 9:12:02pm

re: #73 allegro

Have you ever had two kittens?!! I’ve had to renovate my home end to end for those little boogers and I’m still playing whack-a-mole trying to kitten-proof it. What one doesn’t think of the other does. One is power on the ground and the other is the aerial artist.

And you are absolutely correct. I adore them.

oooohhh, two kittens are an adventure!

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whitebeach  Oct 4, 2017 • 9:12:38pm

re: #26 Birth Control Works

hip-hop is a threat?

I think not.

Mostly it’s poetry.

You know that. I know that. But does some crazed asshole out to kill people by the dozens know that?

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JordanRules  Oct 4, 2017 • 9:13:02pm

This thread is so much fun with beautiful images!

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Birth Control Works  Oct 4, 2017 • 9:13:07pm

re: #68 mmmirele

Years ago, I once caught one of my cats bouncing my great grandmother’s wedding set up against the dryer. She liked the sound, I guess.

try a lost golf ball on hardwood floors at 2am. Our cat liked to play hockey with it.

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Ace Rothstein  Oct 4, 2017 • 9:16:24pm

I have a six-month tuxedo cat hanging around now. She’s adorable but doesn’t like being handled/petted very much. But she likes the bouncing tennis ball and playing with the golf ball in the driveway.

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Birth Control Works  Oct 4, 2017 • 9:16:55pm

niteall

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 4, 2017 • 9:21:08pm

Y’know, no offense intended to people who go to casinos & enjoy gambling but it does fit the need for stimulation / thrill seeking behavior part of the Hare Psychopath Checklist pretty well. Also the impulsivity and irresponsibility portions. Like, I’d seriously recommend anybody who spends much time doing that to take a deep look at why it appeals to them and ask if it’s nourishing the healthier aspects of who they are.

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whitebeach  Oct 4, 2017 • 9:23:40pm

re: #81 Ace Rothstein

I have a six-month tuxedo cat hanging around now. She’s adorable but doesn’t like being handled/petted very much. But she likes the bouncing tennis ball and playing with the golf ball in the driveway.

My filthy-cute little tux doesn’t like being handled either, but she loves tummy rubs and will let me know most insistently any time, night or day, if she wants one.

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jc717  Oct 4, 2017 • 9:29:16pm

re: #52 Decatur Deb

For consideration: Jet fuel is a hell of a lot harder to ignite than the 87 octane stuff you put in your Volkswagen. Psycho shooter might not have known that.

He was a pilot and owned 2 planes in the past. He was probably aware.
I wonder what he wanted to do with all the explosive material in his car, and why (thankfully) he stopped shooting after 10 or 11 minutes.

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VegasGolfer  Oct 4, 2017 • 9:46:05pm

The reporting of the shooter trying to shoot gas tanks is irresponsible. I worked in the airport control tower for 11 years, and from observing the Mandalay Bay over the years, there are many many targets the shooter had and every shot that went over the concert, many went toward the airport and the general avaition ramp, where helicopters and multi-million dollar private jets are parked, not to mention over Las Vegas Blvd.
And I’m positive there were airplanes landing on the runways that parallel the strip when the shooting began.

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allegro  Oct 4, 2017 • 9:59:21pm

My Little Lord Storm with his first (in pics) Big Cat Face. 3-1/2 months old. They grow up so fast. *sniff*

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 4, 2017 • 9:59:35pm

Evening y’all.

From the previous thread on land yachts:

re: #321 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

People continually tell me my wife’s ‘79 land yacht must be 10x safer than anything on the road today. Yeah, well, it may weigh 5000 lbs, but the safety devices are primitive and the thing would ram the engine block through the firewall if I hit somebody else with it. Like it or not, my 2010 Malibu saved Mrs. Fish’s life last November, where in her own ‘97 she probably would’ve died.

The chairwoman of our village board just totalled her Seventies pickup truck in a car-deer accident the other day. She was injured (though I don’t know how severely, I’ve been told I may have to run the next village board meeting).

I constantly get the “how could you drive your little car? I’d be scared to drive something like that?” I’ve hit two deer with it now, and although there was a fair amount of damage back in August, the car was repairable, my wife was uninjured, and my stitches in my hand surgery were ripped open through inertia from a sudden stop (and that was the only injury).

The difference between Seventies automotive engineering and my 2013 car are almost as if they are different conveyances.

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allegro  Oct 4, 2017 • 10:02:36pm

re: #86 VegasGolfer

The reporting of the shooter trying to shoot gas tanks is irresponsible. I worked in the airport control tower for 11 years, and from observing the Mandalay Bay over the years, there are many many targets the shooter had and every shot that went over the concert, many went toward the airport and the general avaition ramp, where helicopters and multi-million dollar private jets are parked, not to mention over Las Vegas Blvd.
And I’m positive there were airplanes landing on the runways that parallel the strip when the shooting began.

That’s… kinda freaking me out.

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wheat-dogg  Oct 4, 2017 • 10:13:11pm

re: #88 Anymouse 🌹

You probably know that Car2Go services Denver. When I was here last year, their cars were only Smart cars. Now, those have been replaced with Mercedes-Benz sedans and SUVs. I found a few Smarts on my Car2Go app last month, but now I am surrounded only by M-B cars.

I am pouting, because I wanted to drive a Smart.

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wheat-dogg  Oct 4, 2017 • 10:13:54pm

re: #89 allegro

That’s… kinda freaking me out.

Could he have done much damage to those tanks from that far away?

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 4, 2017 • 10:14:35pm

re: #85 jc717

I wonder what he wanted to do with all the explosive material in his car, and why (thankfully) he stopped shooting after 10 or 11 minutes.

He probably got bored. He’d been planning this for a long time but I don’t think he was driven by any ideology beyond just wanting to kill a bunch of people to see what it felt like, and I imagine after he did that for awhile he just felt empty again.

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teleskiguy  Oct 4, 2017 • 10:17:18pm

re: #92 goddamnedfrank

He probably got bored. He’d been planning this for a long time but I don’t think he was driven by any ideology beyond just wanting to kill a bunch of people to see what it felt like, and I imagine after he did that for awhile he just felt empty again.

Ayup.

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allegro  Oct 4, 2017 • 10:18:09pm

re: #91 wheat-dogg

Could he have done much damage to those tanks from that far away?

Maybe not with the weapons he had. But with the ease he got into his room with those weapons and a close direct line to aircraft… I dunno. You war weapons guys tell me.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 4, 2017 • 10:18:11pm

re: #91 wheat-dogg

Could he have done much damage to those tanks from that far away?

With a .50 BMG firing an incendiary or tracer round maybe, if the tanks were near empty and full of fumes. Otherwise I kind of doubt it.

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JordanRules  Oct 4, 2017 • 10:22:19pm

re: #92 goddamnedfrank

Hell, I think boredom was in play for the planning too. Empty as shit with a desire to push it to the limit with his brain and “toys”.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2017 • 10:28:07pm

To be honest if it was sheer boredom that inspired this, that’s one of the most disturbing things. I mean make no mistake murder for ideological reasons is still horrible but boredom? I’m numb by the whole thing honestly dreading the next mass shooting and the same weak response about how we can’t do anything or how it’s too soon to talk about guns.

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Kragar  Oct 4, 2017 • 10:31:04pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 4, 2017 • 10:32:32pm

re: #98 Kragar

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Either incompetence or further proof of Russia owning his ass. Man it’s scary to think it could happen again.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 4, 2017 • 10:34:48pm

re: #90 wheat-dogg

You probably know that Car2Go services Denver. When I was here last year, their cars were only Smart cars. Now, those have been replaced with Mercedes-Benz sedans and SUVs. I found a few Smarts on my Car2Go app last month, but now I am surrounded only by M-B cars.

I am pouting, because I wanted to drive a Smart.

Come to the Nebraska Panhandle and I’ll let you drive mine. /s

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allegro  Oct 4, 2017 • 10:37:56pm

re: #97 HappyWarrior

I’m numb by the whole thing honestly dreading the next mass shooting and the same weak response about how we can’t do anything or how it’s too soon to talk about guns.

Yes! I think that’s what’s freaking me out. Not just that someone can shoot into a crowd of thousands with a fucking machine gun (don’t EVEN get pedantic or I’ll really go off) from a hotel room and eh, another day of feed for the news gods, lots dead, too soon, thoughts and prayers… rampant corruption worldwide and who know what weapons available for a guy with $$ and a death in a blaze wish from that same hotel room in range of aircraft.

Who me? Worry?

A kitten is trying to rip my head off via pony tail. A welcome distraction.

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CleverToad  Oct 4, 2017 • 10:39:36pm

re: #79 JordanRules

Cathedral cat fight! Loved it — thanks for posting :)

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 4, 2017 • 10:41:08pm

re: #95 goddamnedfrank

With a .50 BMG firing an incendiary or tracer round maybe, if the tanks were near empty and full of fumes. Otherwise I kind of doubt it.

As noted when I went through Aviation Firefighting School in the Navy.

We put two pools of fuel out (large flat tanks), one of JP-5 (Navy jet fuel), and one of aviation gasoline (100+ octane gasoline). Neither will catch fire even tossing a cigarette into them, because the vapours are what burn, not the liquid.

JP-5 is formulated in such a way that it produces very low vapours (while gasoline evaporates easily). Aviation gasoline makes huge fires.

It seems unlikely an international airport would have storage tanks that would be near-to-empty with a lot of fumes in them (besides being unsafe, you can’t really sell fumes).

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VegasGolfer  Oct 4, 2017 • 10:43:25pm

re: #103 Anymouse 🌹

Thank you for posting this. I knew how jet fuel behaves, but i didnt put it in my post because I couldn’t explain as well as you did.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 4, 2017 • 10:47:08pm

re: #104 VegasGolfer

Thank you for posting this. I knew how jet fuel behaves, but i didnt put it in my post because I couldn’t explain as well as you did.

I imagine the airport will be looking at a security plan. It may even need to be moved. Even if this guy wasn’t trying to do anything with the fuel tanks (stray rounds), it shows he might have hit parked aircraft. Worse, if he could have hit aircraft landing or taking off, he might have brought one down.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 4, 2017 • 10:52:30pm

re: #103 Anymouse 🌹

But it’s JET FUEL!!! Jets fly REALLY FAST! It must be WAY more explosive than gasoline!!!
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When I was young, Mom and Dad’s yard backed onto a field, which backed onto orchards. basically the edge of the town we lived it. The yard is big, 1 3/4 acres, and has lots of mature trees, especially fucking Elms and Sycamores that constantly drop sticks. Over the course of the year, we’d pick up a LOT of sticks, enough to make a substantial pile, which we’d burn off once or twice a year.

Generally, Dad would use kerosene to get the fire going, which would blaze up nicely but not too much. Once, we were all out of kerosene, and Hoch’s garage was closed. So, Dad decided to try using gasoline. He knew to be careful, so he made us all stand way back, and lit it very gingerly at the edge of the pile.

At first, it was just like the kerosene, but you could see a vapor cloud forming and then *WHOOOMP!!!* and the vapor cloud lit off, with enough force to blow a few sticks off the pile. Then it burned REAL GOOD!

This was the last time Dad used gasoline for that purpose.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 4, 2017 • 10:54:58pm

re: #106 Blind Frog Belly White

My father’s uncle did that one with a barbeque grill - he didn’t have any lighter fluid so he used gasoline … blew up the grill.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 4, 2017 • 10:56:09pm

I also had a buddy whose wife had an…interesting way of lighting charcoal. She’d douse it with lighter fluid like everyone does, and toss on a match.

Then, when the flames died out, she’d douse it AGAIN! You could see the vapor cloud build, and then she’d toss a match into it.

*Whoomf!!*

I always wondered why she still had eyebrows.

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VegasGolfer  Oct 4, 2017 • 10:57:44pm

re: #105 Anymouse 🌹

Moving an airport is not feesible. Many airports have hotels very close to the airport environment, and if I’m not mistaken, some hotels are inside the airport boundaries.
As a side note, there was talk of moving McCarran to sloan or Jean which is 20-30 miles south of Vegas.
I thought it would be pretty cool, you could have a high speed rain from that proposed airport to where the airport is now and have people dispurse from there.
Just imagine how many casinos you could put on the airport property.
But that would never happen.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 4, 2017 • 10:59:22pm

re: #108 Blind Frog Belly White

I had an old Thirties gas oven (which required putting a match to a touch hole to start the oven).

One time trying to light the oven, apparently the valve had not been completely closed and gas had built up around the burners. When I put a match to the touch hole, woomph! Flame shot out of the whole oven.

Much of my hair was singed. Fortunately it didn’t catch fire. I still had eyebrows. I got rid of that oven.

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allegro  Oct 4, 2017 • 10:59:53pm

re: #108 Blind Frog Belly White

I also had a buddy whose wife had an…interesting way of lighting charcoal. She’d douse it with lighter fluid like everyone does, and toss on a match.

Then, when the flames died out, she’d douse it AGAIN! You could see the vapor cloud build, and then she’d toss a match into it.

*Whoomf!!*

I always wondered why she still had eyebrows.

Ohhhh. Not supposed to do that?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 4, 2017 • 11:02:36pm

BTW, I’m sick of white people. I saw this tweet by Jamelle Bouie about an op/ed, claiming that if we keep talking about race, Trump will win in 2020.

Gah. It’s basically the abusive Dad shouting, “Stop crying or I’ll give you something to cry about!”

More goddam white fragility. I’m tired of us. We should sit down and shut up, and maybe listen for a while. But if we did, we’d have to confront The Uncomfortable.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 4, 2017 • 11:03:29pm

re: #111 allegro

Ohhhh. Not supposed to do that?

Renate? Is that you?
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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 4, 2017 • 11:09:29pm

re: #110 Anymouse 🌹

I had an old Thirties gas oven (which required putting a match to a touch hole to start the oven).

One time trying to light the oven, apparently the valve had not been completely closed and gas had built up around the burners. When I put a match to the touch hole, woomph! Flame shot out of the whole oven.

Much of my hair was singed. Fortunately it didn’t catch fire. I still had eyebrows. I got rid of that oven.

Sophomore year we rented an apartment off campus. Shitty little place, the kind of crap hole that you get around colleges. The stove was…problematic. When the landlady was showing us the place, one of the then-current tenants said, “Oh, yeah. The pilot light on the stove doesn’t work, so we just do this - and put a lit match over a vent hole on the oven floor and turned on the gas. 1…2…3…4… *WOOFF* , and it lit.

I realized later that the guy doing it was basically saying ‘fuck you’ to the landlady, who had grown visibly more anxious waiting for the gas to light.

They did fix it before we moved in.

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 4, 2017 • 11:15:47pm

re: #63 Charles Johnson

Jesus, Alex Jones is so obviously just making up that text from a “source”, it’s pathetic. My daughter lies better when we catch he playing video games instead of doing her homework. Seriously, how is this asshole taken seriously by anyone?

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teleskiguy  Oct 4, 2017 • 11:19:34pm

re: #115 Ace-o-aces

I’ve got something for you!

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sagehen  Oct 4, 2017 • 11:27:25pm

re: #19 mmmirele

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Kragar  Oct 4, 2017 • 11:28:14pm
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Ace-o-aces  Oct 4, 2017 • 11:41:48pm
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goddamnedfrank  Oct 4, 2017 • 11:45:24pm
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Ace-o-aces  Oct 4, 2017 • 11:51:50pm
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Kilroy was here  Oct 4, 2017 • 11:55:47pm

Billionaire Warren Buffett: ‘I don’t need a tax cut’ in a society with so much inequality
cnbc.com
Now what does he know about being rich…

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 4, 2017 • 11:59:04pm

re: #121 Ace-o-aces

Why is 4chan still in business?

I Amendment issues aside, they publish all sorts of nude women photos - the overwhelming majority of which is not with permission.

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teleskiguy  Oct 5, 2017 • 12:04:50am

re: #64 teleskiguy

I am going to miss this dude. He was one of the guys that really convinced me to free my heel.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 5, 2017 • 1:31:38am

I’m agonna take off for bed … catch y’all later… .

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 5, 2017 • 1:43:13am

One more …

Paul Ryan. I gotta tell you, just saying that name gives me the creeps.

Today I learned that Paul Ryan and a small group of Republican congressmen used to meet regularly to plot the GOP agenda. They called themselves the Jedi Council. Oh. Lord. Help. Me. These guys are Darths-in-Training.

Horribly disgraced Health and Human Services Secretary Tom Price was a member of the Jedi Council. I suspect this is where Price got help to come up with his plan that he only reimburse the taxpayers for his seat on an airplane when he made us pay for the whole damn airplane.

But, here’s the important part.

Speaker Paul Ryan last week urged the White House to reconsider ousting Health and Human Services Secretary Tom Price, his longtime friend who had come under fire for often using taxpayer-funded private jets for travel, according to two people with knowledge of the call.

Ryan urged Kelly to reconsider and touted the Georgia Republican’s experience in Congress and work in the administration, one of the people familiar with the call said.

Okay, when Ryan runs for president again, and he will, let’s make sure people know that his Jedi Council has a very, very high bar for ripping off the taxpayers for your own personal pleasure.

More at juanitajean.com

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Lupin  Oct 5, 2017 • 2:04:52am

Two items that didn’t get a huge amount of coverage today, but are quite significant:

1) The rapprochement between the Saudis and the Russians, truly inconceivable in the past, showing how weak & unreliable the US is perceived among allies.

2) Trump opposing the UK’s attempt to get a prorata of the EU’s WTO quotas, dealing a hard blow to Brexiteers.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 5, 2017 • 2:07:41am

re: #127 Lupin

Two items that didn’t get a huge amount of coverage today, but are quite significant:

1) The rapprochement between the Saudis and the Russians, truly inconceivable in the past, showing how weak & unreliable the US is perceived among allies.

2) Trump opposing the UK’s attempt to get a prorata of the EU’s WTO quotas, dealing a hard blow to Brexiteers.

The kind of stuff if I were a Russian spymaster I would want my agent in the USA to try to achieve… .

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Lupin  Oct 5, 2017 • 2:11:42am

Links:

Saudis’ visit to Moscow The Guardian

Trump torpedoes UK’s WTO deal FT

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Lupin  Oct 5, 2017 • 2:16:22am

re: #128 Anymouse 🌹

The kind of stuff if I were a Russian spymaster I would want my agent in the USA to try to achieve… .

I couldn’t agree more. Both the UK and the US have been dealt huge blows through Brexit and Trump thanks in good part to all kinds of Russia hacking and propaganda.

Their similar attempts to interfere with the EU via France and probably Germany and the Netherlands as well failed, thanks to a better coordinated response, a different legal system and, frankly, less gullibility from the hoi polloi.

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Lupin  Oct 5, 2017 • 2:19:39am

The MAGA crowd is like someone in a dungeon tied down over a barrel with trousers down expecting that, first no one takes advantage, and second that the experience will be invigorating and uplifting.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 5, 2017 • 2:30:00am

re: #130 Lupin

I couldn’t agree more. Both the UK and the US have been dealt huge blows through Brexit and Trump thanks in good part to all kinds of Russia hacking and propaganda.

Their similar attempts to interfere with the EU via France and probably Germany and the Netherlands as well failed, thanks to a better coordinated response, a different legal system and, frankly, less gullibility from the hoi polloi.

I do wonder if Russia had anything substantial to do with the recent Catalonian independence matter? I know Catalan independence has been in issue for quite awhile, but I’m sure that the possibility of breaking up an EU member state of long standing would be far too tempting for the Russians…….

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 5, 2017 • 2:34:25am

re: #132 Dr Lizardo

I do wonder if Russia had anything substantial to do with the recent Catalonian independence matter? I know Catalan independence has been in issue for quite awhile, but I’m sure that the possibility of breaking up an EU member state of long standing would be far too tempting for the Russians…….

When I was stationed in Spain, I travelled to Barcelona occasionally. While I didn’t involve myself in Spanish politics (not my business or place), I overheard others talking about things.

Every time I was in Catalonia I would hear the occasional grumbling about independence or poorer parts of Spain were sucking on wealthy Catalonia’s tax money (hear the same kind of talk in the USA), but no serious effort to break away other than a few wingnut parties.

That was back in 92-94. I have not been back since, so I don’t know if grumbling turned into a real grass roots movement or an Astroturf movement.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 5, 2017 • 2:37:48am
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Dr Lizardo  Oct 5, 2017 • 2:40:13am

re: #133 Anymouse 🌹

When I was stationed in Spain, I travelled to Barcelona occasionally. While I didn’t involve myself in Spanish politics (not my business or place), I overheard others talking about things.

Every time I was in Catalonia I would hear the occasional grumbling about independence or poorer parts of Spain were sucking on wealthy Catalonia’s tax money (hear the same kind of talk in the USA), but no serious effort to break away other than a few wingnut parties.

That was back in 92-94. I have not been back since, so I don’t know if grumbling turned into a real grass roots movement or an Astroturf movement.

From what I understand, it’s been rumbling since Franco’s death, and probably even during his regime. It’s hard to say, but again, I wouldn’t be surprised if Russia would seek to take advantage of a long-standing grievance to further their overall strategic goals (in this case, fuelling separatist/independence movements throughout the EU member states).

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 5, 2017 • 2:40:25am

Here we go again, The Hill reaching for explanations for a white guy shooting up a concert, which took some planning and effort:

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 5, 2017 • 2:41:19am

re: #135 Dr Lizardo

From what I understand, it’s been rumbling since Franco’s death, and probably even during his regime. It’s hard to say, but again, I wouldn’t be surprised if Russia would seek to take advantage of a long-standing grievance to further their overall strategic goals (in this case, fuelling separatist/independence movements throughout the EU member states).

They are also implicated in the Texas secessionist movement, and were behind one of the two groups in California.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 5, 2017 • 2:44:32am

It turns out that Rep. Tim Murphy (the R rep in Penna. that demanded his mistress get an abortion) is somewhat of a jerk.

A letter from his office manager to him over his harassment of his office staff (resulting in a 100% staff turn over in one year) is quite revealing.

The Dems should be using stuff like this in a race against him. “Is this the person you want representing you?”

assets.documentcloud.org

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sagehen  Oct 5, 2017 • 2:59:04am

re: #133 Anymouse 🌹

Every time I was in Catalonia I would hear the occasional grumbling about independence or poorer parts of Spain were sucking on wealthy Catalonia’s tax money (hear the same kind of talk in the USA), but no serious effort to break away other than a few wingnut parties.

That was back in 92-94. I have not been back since, so I don’t know if grumbling turned into a real grass roots movement or an Astroturf movement.

When I was there in the late 70’s, I heard the same grumbling for the same reasons. Actually, more than grumbling. Basque separatists were a serious terrorism problem for Spain for decades… to the point that when Al Qaeda did that big train station bombing in Madrid, it took many hours and much evidence before anybody was really convinced it was Islamic anything, most Spaniards’ first guess/assumption was the Basques are at it again.

en.wikipedia.org

So, for Russian operatives to reignite that… they wouldn’t be starting from scratch.

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Lupin  Oct 5, 2017 • 3:04:25am

re: #132 Dr Lizardo

I do wonder if Russia had anything substantial to do with the recent Catalonian independence matter? I know Catalan independence has been in issue for quite awhile, but I’m sure that the possibility of breaking up an EU member state of long standing would be far too tempting for the Russians…….

I live next door and I haven’t read or even caught a whisper about any Russian interference in the Catalonia situation; the Spaniards seem to be able to mess up this one on their own.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 5, 2017 • 3:06:37am

re: #140 Lupin

I live next door and I haven’t read or even caught a whisper about any Russian interference in the Catalonia situation; the Spaniards seem to be able to mess up this one on their own.

LOL yeah, sad but true.

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sagehen  Oct 5, 2017 • 3:07:04am

re: #136 Anymouse 🌹

Here we go again, The Hill reaching for explanations for a white guy shooting up a concert, which took some planning and effort:

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The medication in question sometimes causes problems with impulse control; it leads to road rage or bar fights. It is absolutely in no way possible to cause something that required weeks of careful planning.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 5, 2017 • 3:12:54am

Meanwhile, the Law of Unintended Consequences asserts itself, Spanish style.

Managers at CaixaBank private banking in Madrid have been proactively calling customers to discuss the situation in Catalonia and dispel concerns, according to one private-banking client, who asked not to be identified discussing the matter. To help protect clients, CaixaBank is considering a temporary move of its legal domicile to the Balearic Islands if plans for independence go ahead, newspaper El Mundo reported Thursday.

“The political situation is a pain in the neck for these banks,” Cesar Molinas, founder of Multa Paucis, an investment consultancy firm, said in an interview. “They don’t want clients in Madrid to see them as Catalan banks, nor clients in Barcelona to see them as Spanish banks. They’re treading on thin ice.”

bloomberg.com

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 5, 2017 • 3:19:08am

re: #143 Dr Lizardo

I’m also reading here and there that quite a few companies are moving out of Barcelona and Catalonia in general.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 5, 2017 • 3:24:20am
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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 5, 2017 • 3:33:27am

Marine Corps father dancing with his daugher at her quincianera party goes wild about a minute or so in:

Jasmine’s quinceanera best (USMC) Father/daughter

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 5, 2017 • 3:37:20am

Shooter targeted avaiation fuel tankers? He was trying to create a Michael Bay movie set.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 5, 2017 • 3:39:16am

Biz Stone is an oblivious dumbfuck, the epitome of the aggressively obtuse self-centered Silicon Valley brogrammer.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 5, 2017 • 3:45:21am
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goddamnedfrank  Oct 5, 2017 • 3:46:00am
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Dr Lizardo  Oct 5, 2017 • 3:47:07am

re: #150 goddamnedfrank

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I can almost smell the cheap gin all the way over here.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 5, 2017 • 3:57:29am

The Death Loop (goes to Crooked)

It’s been two minutes since the shooting stopped. Everyone who will be shot is shot. Most who will die are dead, but some are still dying.

A snippet of video, just recorded, is being shared, a person running, the rat-tat-tat of rifle fire in the background. (Automatic? Semi-automatic? This will matter later.)

Reporters are retweeting eyewitness accounts. “We heard the shots then everybody started running. Oh my god. :(” The phones on the bodies are starting to ring.

“My brother just texted me saying there’s an #activeshooter and to stay safe.” Active shooter. The first touch of unreality. When did we start saying that? When did ordinary people—civilians—start using that term?

(more)

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sagehen  Oct 5, 2017 • 4:07:21am

re: #145 Anymouse 🌹

[Embedded content]Still angry about the lopsided vote, Trump lashed out during the bill-signing process and released a bizarre companion statement. In it, he denounced the bill as being “seriously flawed” and said it contained “a number of clearly unconstitutional provisions.” He also downplayed Russia’s election interference, and bragged about what a successful businessman he is, saying, “I built a truly great company worth many billions of dollars.”

No, he did not build a truly great company. He inherited a company that his father spent decades building. His current net worth is approximately the appreciated value of the buildings that company owns/manages, minus whatever debt he’s saddled it with.

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sagehen  Oct 5, 2017 • 4:10:38am

re: #148 goddamnedfrank

Biz Stone is an oblivious dumbfuck, the epitome of the aggressively obtuse self-centered Silicon Valley brogrammer.

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Gosh. Don’t even need the pic to know he’s an asshole; the fact that he chose 1488 as part of his name ought to be a flashing neon sign of a clue.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 5, 2017 • 4:11:31am
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goddamnedfrank  Oct 5, 2017 • 4:13:46am
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Patricia Kayden  Oct 5, 2017 • 4:28:14am

re: #20 electrotek

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Great suggestion but not likely to happen. But yeah, they are a terrorist organization. Dana Loesch’s unhinged NRA ads make that clear.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 5, 2017 • 4:31:27am

re: #155 goddamnedfrank

He’s nothing but a fascist. The MSM needs to call him out on this.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 5, 2017 • 4:34:09am

re: #156 goddamnedfrank

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Where is that? That is amazing.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 5, 2017 • 4:34:20am

re: #158 Patricia Kayden

He’s nothing but a fascist. The MSM needs to call him out on this.

Why Isn’t the Senate Intel Committee looking into the Fake News Networks in OUR country to see why so much of our news is just made up-FAKE!

A moran, but yeah, a fascist one at that.

He is upset because he cannot make the entire US government sign a lifetime NDA…

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 5, 2017 • 4:37:06am

Goddamnit this administration is so fucking evil!

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 5, 2017 • 4:43:12am

This should be good.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 5, 2017 • 4:53:17am

A man who was a bigot toward the LGBT (but thought he wasn’t) came to the realisation that he was, and made a public apology over an incident from his past harassing a transgender woman.

Apologies from a Former Bigot
(goes to YouTube)

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jeffreyw  Oct 5, 2017 • 4:55:43am

Imgur


Good morning!

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 5, 2017 • 5:02:24am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 5:04:17am

re: #118 Kragar

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Sad that times have changed.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 5:05:34am

re: #138 Anymouse 🌹

It turns out that Rep. Tim Murphy (the R rep in Penna. that demanded his mistress get an abortion) is somewhat of a jerk.

A letter from his office manager to him over his harassment of his office staff (resulting in a 100% staff turn over in one year) is quite revealing.

The Dems should be using stuff like this in a race against him. “Is this the person you want representing you?”

assets.documentcloud.org

Murphy is stepping down at the end of this term but I agree completely.

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sagehen  Oct 5, 2017 • 5:12:02am

I’m picturing a brand-new House Un-American Activities Committee.

Chaired by… Steve King? Louis Gohmert?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 5:15:27am

re: #168 sagehen

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I’m picturing a brand-new House Un-American Activities Committee.

Chaired by… Steve King? Louis Gohmert?

Expert witnesses Sean Hannity, Alex Jones.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 5, 2017 • 5:15:48am
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sagehen  Oct 5, 2017 • 5:16:51am

re: #164 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

Is that a Self-Portrait With Food Portrait?

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jeffreyw  Oct 5, 2017 • 5:26:32am

re: #171 sagehen

Is that a Self-Portrait With Food Portrait?

That is puppeh! Puppeh friend! Puppeh not food!

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sagehen  Oct 5, 2017 • 5:27:09am

re: #172 jeffreyw

That is puppeh! Puppeh friend! Puppeh not food!

There’s a food pic on the computer behind you and puppeh.

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 5, 2017 • 5:28:09am

re: #138 Anymouse 🌹

It turns out that Rep. Tim Murphy (the R rep in Penna. that demanded his mistress get an abortion) is somewhat of a jerk.

A letter from his office manager to him over his harassment of his office staff (resulting in a 100% staff turn over in one year) is quite revealing.

The Dems should be using stuff like this in a race against him. “Is this the person you want representing you?”

assets.documentcloud.org

You got your wish, he is retiring. What a freaking asshole!

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 5, 2017 • 5:35:02am

re: #174 Shropshire Slasher

You got your wish, he is retiring. What a freaking asshole!

Let’s hope that the open seat will be easier to pick up for the Democrats than it would have been if he’d stayed.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Oct 5, 2017 • 5:36:34am

I want this.

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sagehen  Oct 5, 2017 • 5:41:15am

re: #176 I Would Prefer Not To

I want this.

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Now somebody needs to photoshop it with that thing at the bottom of Amazon pages, “people who bought this also bought…” 5 or 6 different titles. Among them, this one

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jeffreyw  Oct 5, 2017 • 5:43:06am

re: #173 sagehen

There’s a food pic on the computer behind you and puppeh.

Ah! I never thought of food portraiture as being a thing. I have dressed that bowl of red beans and rice with hot sauce so I guess if you squint just so it becomes a portrait.

Imgur

Upon reflection, I see that you are defending your word play. Sorry! I am such an oaf.

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 5, 2017 • 5:43:13am

Like we don’t have enough bad news.

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Belafon  Oct 5, 2017 • 5:45:11am

re: #170 Anymouse 🌹

Isn’t “there should have been more guns” the same as “you should have been less rapey”?

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I cannot.  Oct 5, 2017 • 5:46:31am

re: #131 Lupin

Thank you for that…imagery, I will be spending the rest of the day with EmrgencyKittens and Zooborns to get rid of that.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 5:49:39am

re: #179 Ace-o-aces

Like we don’t have enough bad news.

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Noooooo!

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 5, 2017 • 5:52:10am

re: #179 Ace-o-aces

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 5:52:33am

re: #180 Belafon

Isn’t “there should have been more guns” the same as “you should have been less rapey”?

I’d say so yeah. It’s also unrealistic. I’m sorry but I g to a concert. I don’t need to feel on edge about the possibility of some asshole trying to kill me. I want to have a good time, listen to music, and maybe have a couple beers.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 5, 2017 • 5:53:16am

re: #184 HappyWarrior

I’d say so yeah. It’s also unrealistic. I’m sorry but I g to a concert. I don’t need to feel on edge about the possibility of some asshole trying to kill me. I want to have a good time, listen to music, and maybe have a couple beers.

all while scouring the surroundings for potential sniper’s nests…

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 5, 2017 • 5:54:38am

re: #184 HappyWarrior

The heavy metal concerts that I go to don’t allow you to carry any heavy metal into the concert, they pat you down good, go figure!

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 5, 2017 • 5:56:04am

re: #180 Belafon

Isn’t “there should have been more guns” the same as “you should have been less rapey”?

No, I think the equivalence is “you should be more rapey.”

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 5:56:41am

re: #185 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

all while scouring the surroundings for potential sniper’s nests…

Of course!

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 5:57:43am

re: #186 Shropshire Slasher

The heavy metal concerts that I go to don’t allow you to carry any heavy metal into the concert, they pat you down good, go figure!

It’s a good idea not to allow guns at a concert venue. I’ve never had nor would I understand the desire to carry at a show.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 5:58:56am

I really think it’s gun nuts that while they may understand how guns work better then me that don’t have the slightest clue how other situations work.

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Dizzy  Oct 5, 2017 • 6:00:15am

Rob Ford, the crazy Canadian mayor who preceded Trump as a populist does not get to have his name on a Stadium. Once Trump is gone, rest assured you’ll have idiots proposing similar things.

ctvnews.ca

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 6:01:16am

re: #191 Dizzy

Rob Ford, the crazy Canadian mayor who preceded Trump as a populist does not get to have his name on a Stadium. Once Trump is gone, rest assured you’ll have idiots proposing similar things.

ctvnews.ca

I propose the Donald J Trump Memorial Dump.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 5, 2017 • 6:04:12am

re: #176 I Would Prefer Not To

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 5, 2017 • 6:04:15am

re: #138 Anymouse 🌹

It turns out that Rep. Tim Murphy (the R rep in Penna. that demanded his mistress get an abortion) is somewhat of a jerk.

A letter from his office manager to him over his harassment of his office staff (resulting in a 100% staff turn over in one year) is quite revealing.

The Dems should be using stuff like this in a race against him. “Is this the person you want representing you?”

assets.documentcloud.org

Thought I heard this morning that he will not be running again.

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Dizzy  Oct 5, 2017 • 6:04:38am

re: #192 HappyWarrior

Up-ding, however, may his name be thrown to the trashbin of history. Like Haman from the Scroll of Esther, his name should evoke a noisemaker whenever spoken so that the sound of it does not sully polite society.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 5, 2017 • 6:04:54am

re: #183 Shropshire Slasher

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Is it wrong that this makes me laugh???

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 5, 2017 • 6:07:37am

re: #196 Dave In Austin

Is it wrong that this makes me laugh???

No. It’s funny.

Sharing it with your own kid might be “wrong,” … .

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Unshaken Defiance  Oct 5, 2017 • 6:12:02am

re: #192 HappyWarrior

I propose the Donald J Trump Memorial Dump.

May I suggest the the Donald J Trump Memorial Dumpster Fire exhibit?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 6:14:33am

re: #198 Unshaken Defiance

May I suggest the the Donald J Trump Memorial Dumpster Fire exhibit?

Yes. :)

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 5, 2017 • 6:16:40am

TD11 has been upgraded to Tropical Storm Nate.

It is on the coastline of Nicaragua, and is expected to strike Louisiana (the track has shifted far to the west) as a hurricane.

Trump is already dealing with the aftermath of Irma, Maria, and Harvey. I’m sure as he learns how to do the job, he will get better at it.

nhc.noaa.gov

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sagehen  Oct 5, 2017 • 6:25:26am

re: #197 Anymouse 🌹

No. It’s funny.

Sharing it with your own kid might be “wrong,” … .

Jimmy Kimmel might share it though; as a bookend to telling parents “tell your kids you ate all their Halloween candy; send us video of their reactions.”

Of course, that was before he had his own kid. Maybe he wouldn’t do that anymore.

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lawhawk  Oct 5, 2017 • 6:27:37am

re: #98 Kragar

Trump still hasn’t announced a replacement to DHS. In fact the search has been reset. They’ve gone more than 2 months without naming a replacement for Kelly who moved over to CoS.

Trump’s sabotaging functioning government through delay, incompetence, nominating incompetents, know-nothings, and unqualified persons, and extremists who want to destroy the very agencies they seek to run.

DHS is about protecting the nation, and Trump can’t be bothered to find a nominee. He can’t fill the undersecretary positions either, which are critical jobs.

Trump is actively undermining national security.

But hey, he scores himself with an A+ for a job well done. Everything else is fake news.

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geosherman  Oct 5, 2017 • 6:28:29am

There was a time when knowing your trees was a matter of life and death, because you needed to know which ones were strong enough to support a house and which ones would feed you through the winter. Now most of us walk around, to adapt a term devised by some botanists, tree blind.
But here’s the good news: Tree blindness can be cured. A few years ago, I knew two types of native trees, oak and maple. I considered all conifers to be pines. Then in 2012, I took an ecology course in Wisconsin in which we learned to identify 14 tree species — which, in the chilly upper Midwest, actually gets you pretty far. Suddenly the largest, most conspicuous living beings in my environment were no longer strangers. The trees lining my street in Madison with the rough, saucer-size leaves were basswoods. The giant in my backyard with the diamond bark and opposing rows of leaflets neatly lined up like soldiers was an ash.
- Gabriel Popkin
My take:
I cured myself of Plant and Flower blindness by gradually learning the names of the flora that I suddenly started seeing everywhere. Old hikes were new again. Never realized how some plants bloomed only in Summer or Fall or how the blooms of Spring could be further divided into early, middle or late Spring. An awakening for me and it does take my mind off the awful presdent we have.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Oct 5, 2017 • 6:31:27am

re: #193 FormerDirtDart

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I am so confused.

Tillerson may be the worst SoS ever. Kissinger was evil he tried to ruin other countries not his own agency.

With Tillerson gone I don’t see Trump even bothering to nominate a new SoS, he hasn’t rushed to fill the other agencies.

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lawhawk  Oct 5, 2017 • 6:32:23am
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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 5, 2017 • 6:32:39am

re: #202 lawhawk

Turns out when you elect a bunch of libertarian nihilists who think that there is no such thing as society and want to destroy government, that’s exactly what you get.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 5, 2017 • 6:33:26am

re: #200 Anymouse 🌹

TD16 has been upgraded to Tropical Storm Nate.

It is on the coastline of Nicaragua, and is expected to strike Louisiana (the track has shifted far to the west) as a hurricane.

Trump is already dealing with the aftermath of Irma, Maria, and Harvey. I’m sure as he learns how to do the job, he will get better at it.

nhc.noaa.gov

FTFY

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 5, 2017 • 6:33:27am

re: #203 geosherman

A lot of folks will look at a forest and see the beauty, the flora, fauna, the leaves changing. All I see is what great firewood some of it would make. Maple dries fast, smells nice, but leaves a lot of ash. Oak dries slowly but burns a long time. Black walnut is like iron to cut, but will melt your wood stove. Hickory, apple, ash, all great burning wood.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 5, 2017 • 6:35:38am

re: #208 Shropshire Slasher

A lot of folks will look at a forest and see the beauty, the flora, fauna, the leaves changing. All I see is what great firewood some of it would make. Maple dries fast, smells nice, but leaves a lot of ash. Oak dries slowly but burns a long time. Black walnut is like iron to cut, but will melt your wood stove. Hickory, apple, ash, all great burning wood.

Wood-fired pizza oven.

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 5, 2017 • 6:36:25am

re: #209 Decatur Deb

With pineapple, of course!

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 5, 2017 • 6:37:20am

Thune tells people to avoid murder by “getting small.” More relevant as a Steve Martin bit.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 6:38:36am

re: #205 lawhawk

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Most incompetent administration ever.

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 5, 2017 • 6:39:21am

I only put crushed pineapple in my coleslaw.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 5, 2017 • 6:39:47am

re: #203 geosherman

Just taking in the natural world around you can be quite refreshing.

When I first moved here, I could identify the irises and daffodils in my flowerbeds, the elm tree in my back yard and spruce trees in my front yard, and the flowers in my neighbour’s flowerbeds.

As for the rest of the area, it was all just “short-grass prairie” to me (including my “lawn”).

Since then I’ve learned to identify the different types of common plants and flowers in the short-grass prairie, learned about the invasive species (Russian thistle—the plant that makes the big tumbleweeds you see in Westerns, and some of the “attack plants” that have thorns or spikes), the naturally-occurring plants, &c.

Not too many trees here in the state that proudly calls itself “The Home of Arbor Day” though, at least not this part. You get away from the river, and there are no trees (even in some of the towns and villages, though we have lots of trees in mine and they are protected from damage by village ordinance).

The scariest tree by far to me though is a honey locust. (They do keep people from wandering around your yard though.)

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 5, 2017 • 6:39:50am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 6:42:32am

re: #215 FormerDirtDart

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But he targeted conservative country music fans! //

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sagehen  Oct 5, 2017 • 6:43:00am
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lawhawk  Oct 5, 2017 • 6:45:25am

Ted Cruz couldn’t be reached … for comment:

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 5, 2017 • 6:47:50am

re: #216 HappyWarrior

But he targeted conservative country music fans! //

And none of the liberal ones! /s

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 5, 2017 • 6:49:27am

re: #218 lawhawk

Ted Cruz couldn’t be reached … for comment:

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Is Daily Caller supporting this, or opposing it? Or just reporting on it?

I don’t see anything wrong with that (and it might say something about the state of Germany’s porn industry’s pay if a star can afford to sponsor a soccer team).

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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Oct 5, 2017 • 6:50:52am

re: #203 geosherman

Tree blindness can be cured. A few years ago, I knew two types of native trees, oak and maple. I considered all conifers to be pines. Then in 2012, I took an ecology course in Wisconsin in which we learned to identify 14 tree species — which, in the chilly upper Midwest, actually gets you pretty far. Suddenly the largest, most conspicuous living beings in my environment were no longer strangers. The trees lining my street in Madison with the rough, saucer-size leaves were basswoods. The giant in my backyard with the diamond bark and opposing rows of leaflets neatly lined up like soldiers was an ash.

It is my good, planned fortune to be retired and managing the reforestation of 11 of my 19 acres of property. My fitness club is digging holes, planting trees, and clearing brush while maintaining the 28 disc golf holes I have built on it. Part of my good fortune includes many 80-year old black walnut trees and a grove of paw paws. Trees are wonderful! Did you know you can use the early basswood leaves as one of the best “lettuces” you’ve ever tasted?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 6:52:01am

re: #220 Anymouse 🌹

Is Daily Caller supporting this, or opposing it? Or just reporting on it?

I don’t see anything wrong with that (and it might say something about the state of Germany’s porn industry’s pay if a star can afford to sponsor a soccer team).

I’d rather my sports ball team sponsored by a porn star than firearms company.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 5, 2017 • 6:54:03am

re: #218 lawhawk

Ted Cruz couldn’t be reached … for comment:

Glad to see the Daily Caller really focusing on the crucial international issues.

///

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sagehen  Oct 5, 2017 • 6:54:05am

re: #208 Shropshire Slasher

A lot of folks will look at a forest and see the beauty, the flora, fauna, the leaves changing. All I see is what great firewood some of it would make. Maple dries fast, smells nice, but leaves a lot of ash. Oak dries slowly but burns a long time. Black walnut is like iron to cut, but will melt your wood stove. Hickory, apple, ash, all great burning wood.

I see future furniture.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 5, 2017 • 6:54:47am

re: #220 Anymouse 🌹

Is Daily Caller supporting this, or opposing it? Or just reporting on it?

I don’t see anything wrong with that (and it might say something about the state of Germany’s porn industry’s pay if a star can afford to sponsor a soccer team).

I decry the coming flood of cheap double entendre.

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Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos  Oct 5, 2017 • 6:55:01am

Honest question - how long before Donald Trump attempts to demand that someone in the FBI or other law enforcement agency have members of the press arrested for publishing/reporting articles about his criminal behavior? As quickly as he’s escalating this rhetoric, I expect it will be before the end of the year (if it hasn’t already happened and the incident just hasn’t been leaked yet).

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Sir John Barron  Oct 5, 2017 • 6:56:27am

re: #202 lawhawk

Trump still hasn’t announced a replacement to DHS. In fact the search has been reset. They’ve gone more than 2 months without naming a replacement for Kelly who moved over to CoS.

Trump’s sabotaging functioning government through delay, incompetence, nominating incompetents, know-nothings, and unqualified persons, and extremists who want to destroy the very agencies they seek to run.

DHS is about protecting the nation, and Trump can’t be bothered to find a nominee. He can’t fill the undersecretary positions either, which are critical jobs.

Trump is actively undermining national security.

But hey, he scores himself with an A+ for a job well done. Everything else is fake news.

Yeah, this is really…weird.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 5, 2017 • 6:56:39am

re: #200 Anymouse 🌹

TD11 has been upgraded to Tropical Storm Nate.

It is on the coastline of Nicaragua, and is expected to strike Louisiana (the track has shifted far to the west) as a hurricane.

Trump is already dealing with the aftermath of Irma, Maria, and Harvey. I’m sure as he learns how to do the job, he will get better at it.

nhc.noaa.gov

Our budget can’t take it. Looks like Louisiana is on their own.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 5, 2017 • 6:57:43am

re: #227 Sir John Barron

Yeah, this is really…weird.

You’d think DJT would be all over DHS, all earnest to show how dedicated he is to protecting the nation from drugs, immigrants, terrorists, etc.

It’s almost as if he’s all talk. /

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Decatur Deb  Oct 5, 2017 • 6:57:45am

re: #228 Eventual Carrion

Our budget can’t take it. Looks like Louisiana is on their own.

No problem—they can just default on all their state bonds.

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sagehen  Oct 5, 2017 • 6:58:46am

re: #215 FormerDirtDart

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If I try to buy a few hundred pounds of fertilizer, the FBI will visit my home to measure my acreage. Assuming I don’t have much… I end up in jail. If I try to buy a case or two of allergy medicine, and I’m not a pharmacy… I end up in jail.

But if I want to buy a high-powered semi-automatic rifle, and bump stock, and hundreds of rounds of ammo — and then another a week later, and the week after that and the week after that, for a total of 33 in year… No big.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 5, 2017 • 6:58:55am

re: #226 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

Why Isn’t the Senate Intel Committee looking into the Fake News Networks in OUR country to see why so much of our news is just made up-FAKE!
— Donald J. Trump

Diverting from his Russian buddies again as usual.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 5, 2017 • 6:59:55am

The fargin sneaky bastages

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Decatur Deb  Oct 5, 2017 • 7:01:00am

re: #231 sagehen

If I try to buy a few hundred pounds of fertilizer, the FBI will visit my home to measure my acreage. Assuming I don’t have much… I end up in jail. If I try to buy a case or two of allergy medicine, and I’m not a pharmacy… I end up in jail.

But if I want to buy a high-powered semi-automatic rifle, and bump stock, and hundreds of rounds of ammo — and then another a week later, and the week after that and the week after that, for a total of 33 in year… No big.

Just tell the ATF that the Tree of Liberty must be fertilized with ammonium nitrate.

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dangerman  Oct 5, 2017 • 7:01:06am

re: #229 Sir John Barron

You’d think DJT would be all over DHS, all earnest to show how dedicated he is to protecting the nation from drugs, immigrants, terrorists, etc.

It’s almost as if he’s all talk. /

he doesn’t have a plan. any plan. he doesn’t plan. he has no vision.

he is not actively “managing”, “governing”, or “running” the country

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 5, 2017 • 7:01:12am

re: #208 Shropshire Slasher

A lot of folks will look at a forest and see the beauty, the flora, fauna, the leaves changing. All I see is what great firewood some of it would make. Maple dries fast, smells nice, but leaves a lot of ash. Oak dries slowly but burns a long time. Black walnut is like iron to cut, but will melt your wood stove. Hickory, apple, ash, all great burning wood.

And fallen black walnut pods make it sound like you just hit a cue ball when you’re cutting the grass, many times per pass.

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Belafon  Oct 5, 2017 • 7:01:48am

re: #226 Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos

I think he pretty much has demanded that the press be investigated.

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Belafon  Oct 5, 2017 • 7:03:10am

re: #233 FormerDirtDart

The fargin sneaky bastages

Why are they sneaky?

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 5, 2017 • 7:04:07am

re: #223 Sir John Barron

Glad to see the Daily Caller really focusing on the crucial international issues.

///

Well, recovering bowtie addict Tucker Carlson needs something to deflect from his hero’s absolutely disastrous presidency.

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dangerman  Oct 5, 2017 • 7:04:10am

re: #231 sagehen

If I try to buy a few hundred pounds of fertilizer, the FBI will visit my home to measure my acreage. Assuming I don’t have much… I end up in jail. If I try to buy a case or two of allergy medicine, and I’m not a pharmacy… I end up in jail.

But if I want to buy a high-powered semi-automatic rifle, and bump stock, and hundreds of rounds of ammo — and then another a week later, and the week after that and the week after that, for a total of 33 in year… No big.

aint no right to keep and bear fertilizer
or to alleviate your sneezing / manufacture meth

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Dr. Matt  Oct 5, 2017 • 7:06:13am

Finally clarified!

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dangerman  Oct 5, 2017 • 7:06:35am

re: #155 goddamnedfrank

[Embedded content]Why Isn’t the Senate Intel Committee looking into the Fake News Networks in OUR country to see why so much of our news is just made up-FAKE!

er- the first amendment?
‘sides, who says news gotta be true? you’ll put most of your own guys out of business

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 5, 2017 • 7:07:25am

re: #233 FormerDirtDart

The fargin sneaky bastages

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When Netflix split off its streaming and disc services from each other some years ago, and hiked the price on both, we dumped our disc service (streaming services are nearly worthless here due to our high-speed cans and string Internet, though we struggle through stop-and-start Hulu service).

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 5, 2017 • 7:08:31am

re: #19 mmmirele

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 7:08:47am

re: #242 dangerman

er- the first amendment?
‘sides, who says news gotta be true? you’ll put most of your own guys out of business

This one is especially hilarious since I’ve heard wingnuts crying about the Fairness Doctrine since well forever.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 5, 2017 • 7:13:35am

re: #237 Belafon

I think he pretty much has demanded that the press be investigated.

Rather than his Russian buddies. So glad he’s MAGA. ////

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 5, 2017 • 7:17:30am

re: #213 Shropshire Slasher

I only put crushed pineapple in my coleslaw.

With me that’s stepping on hallowed ground as much as pineapple on pizza.

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dangerman  Oct 5, 2017 • 7:17:48am

re: #245 HappyWarrior

This one is especially hilarious since I’ve heard wingnuts crying about the Fairness Doctrine since well forever.

they want the rules (esp the amendments) to mean whatever it is that they want.

they dont want to do the hard work of understanding what they first meant, what they evolved into, what the courts did over time, how they got clarified, or more obscure, why they are complicated, nuanced, not black and white or originalist, and why good people have differences of opinion as to what they meant and mean.

they also dont want anyone else to “have” stuff and rights they dont think you should

democracy is so hard

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SteelPH  Oct 5, 2017 • 7:18:18am

re: #235 dangerman

he doesn’t have a plan. any plan. he doesn’t plan. he has no vision.

he is not actively “managing”, “governing”, or “running” the country

I don’t think he even has a brain. Just operating on a system of impulses.
/half

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 5, 2017 • 7:20:45am

WASHINGTON - Seizing on Republican criticism of the NCAA boycott of North Carolina over the state law that became known nationally as the “bathroom bill,” some congressional staffers are looking for a legislative path to payback — and it might come by allowing players more rights to their name, image and likeness.

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dangerman  Oct 5, 2017 • 7:21:36am

re: #247 Eventual Carrion

With me that’s stepping on hallowed ground as much as pineapple on pizza.

i am easing my stance wrt pineapple pizza. it is now “possible” - under the right circumstances (which i havent figured out what they are yet so im still safe)

the bridge too far is lincoln log sandwiches {shudder}

the thought alone is evil

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William Lewis  Oct 5, 2017 • 7:21:46am

re: #231 sagehen

If I try to buy a few hundred pounds of fertilizer, the FBI will visit my home to measure my acreage. Assuming I don’t have much… I end up in jail. If I try to buy a case or two of allergy medicine, and I’m not a pharmacy… I end up in jail.

But if I want to buy a high-powered semi-automatic rifle, and bump stock, and hundreds of rounds of ammo — and then another a week later, and the week after that and the week after that, for a total of 33 in year… No big.

It’s really not hard to understand. The GOP wants their serfs to have the illusion of being able to fight back & a civilian AR-15 is perfect for that - much as the ability of the medieval serfs to rebel was non-existant; only the barons and the like could do that - not actually have the means to do so. Hence the NFA and heavy regulation of explosive fertilizer. Without heavy support weapons and explosives as well as a resupply route from outside the nation, an insurrection will not succeed. Might cause a lot of deaths which will be useful to the powers that be for propaganda/oppression purposes, but they won’t, in the end, succeed.

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dangerman  Oct 5, 2017 • 7:23:06am

re: #249 SteelPH

I don’t think he even has a brain. Just operating on a system of impulses.
/half

lately i’ve been using “a bigot with no impulse control”

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SteelPH  Oct 5, 2017 • 7:24:30am

re: #253 dangerman

lately i’ve been using “a bigot with no impulse control”

Not an inaccurate description.

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makeitstop  Oct 5, 2017 • 7:25:27am
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FormerDirtDart  Oct 5, 2017 • 7:26:05am

Look what those damn liberal elites have gone and done now…

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 7:26:54am

Modern conservatism looks more and more like reactionarism to me daily. It’s not a thought out ideology. It’s a reaction to change whether that’s LGBT people, immigrants, or religious minorities. And I’d argue that it’s pretty much been that way for a long time in this coutnry.

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sagehen  Oct 5, 2017 • 7:28:07am

re: #250 FormerDirtDart

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Which they should have anyway, so.

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dangerman  Oct 5, 2017 • 7:29:31am

re: #252 William Lewis

It’s really not hard to understand. The GOP wants their serfs to have the illusion of being able to fight back & a civilian AR-15 is perfect for that - much as the ability of the medieval serfs to rebel was non-existant; only the barons and the like could do that - not actually have the means to do so. Hence the NFA and heavy regulation of explosive fertilizer. Without heavy support weapons and explosives as well as a resupply route from outside the nation, an insurrection will not succeed. Might cause a lot of deaths which will be useful to the powers that be for propaganda/oppression purposes, but they won’t, in the end, succeed.

there is (and likely wont be) a singular mass of “the people” (with a command structure) who will all rise up unified and with legitimacy against a future administration of the federal government.

there would never even be an agreement on what that government would have to look like / what it would have to *do* to justify such an uprising

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 5, 2017 • 7:29:47am

Trump Loyalists Lose Patience With Congressional Russia Probes (goes to Politico)

Despite the title of the article, that’s not what most of the Republicans interviewed told them.

There is a brain-dead GOP committee member from my state (way down in the article) asserting that Nebraskans think the whole thing is a waste of time and a bunch of hooey. Apparently he hasn’t been home to Nebraska (or at least this part of it), because in my overwhelmingly Republican county there seems to be great concern about whether and which government officials might have been compromised by Russian operations.

“People think it’s crazy. I think your average person in Nebraska has concluded there’s nothing there. That’s certainly my conclusion,” said J.L. Spray, a Republican national committeeman from Nebraska. “There’s so many phantoms, and now we learn about Facebook and Google. I think we’re just swinging at air. The big ‘duh’ is the Russians are f—-ing with us on Facebook. Any 9-year-old kid would figure that out.”

Mr. Spray has nothing to do with the investigation, and apparently doesn’t have anything to do with the voters, either.

(That might be a good thing: If the national GOP is disconnected from the Republican voters in this state, that certainly won’t help the GOP in the next election. It wasn’t many years ago that we had a Democratic representative from Nebraska, representing NE-2. The district is somewhat gerrymandered but is closer than it appears.)

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makeitstop  Oct 5, 2017 • 7:31:44am

L O freakin’ L….

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 5, 2017 • 7:32:11am

re: #251 dangerman

the bridge too far is lincoln log sandwiches {shudder}

the thought alone is evil

Sounds good, though I might get rid of the cream cheese (not a fan) and add crushed pineapples.

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Belafon  Oct 5, 2017 • 7:32:38am

re: #257 HappyWarrior

Modern conservatism looks more and more like reactionarism to me daily. It’s not a thought out ideology. It’s a reaction to change whether that’s LGBT people, immigrants, or religious minorities. And I’d argue that it’s pretty much been that way for a long time in this coutnry.

Conservatism is about maintaining power. The modern version has decided the best way to do it is to scare people, which really isn’t all that modern.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 7:33:43am

re: #263 Belafon

Conservatism is about maintaining power. The modern version has decided the best way to do it is to scare people, which really isn’t all that modern.

Right, I don’t think modern conservatism really differs much from its old counterparts just as I don’t think W.F. Buckley deserves the rehabilitation of the “sane, intellectual conservative”, that man was a bigot.

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dangerman  Oct 5, 2017 • 7:36:05am

re: #255 makeitstop

[Embedded content]The crazy thing is there’s a mechanism for combatting fake news. It’s called a defamation suit. Wonder why he doesn’t use it.

there’s another one
set up your own news outlet

yes i know it’s messy - esp right now. though looking back on history there were times in the past it was pretty nasty

back they it was a literacy and technology issue - you needed a way to print (more or less)

today its accessible to everyone, and there’s a lot of power being thrown around to drown out other voices.

still, over time, i have firm confidence that truth, actual unassailable truth, you know —- reality, rises like cream to the top

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 5, 2017 • 7:36:24am

re: #264 HappyWarrior

Right, I don’t think modern conservatism really differs much from its old counterparts just as I don’t think W.F. Buckley deserves the rehabilitation of the “sane, intellectual conservative”, that man was a bigot.

He was also strange:

“Capitalism is boring. Devoting your life to it, as conservatives do, is horrifying if only because it’s so repetitious. It’s like sex.”— William F. Buckley, Jr.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 5, 2017 • 7:38:06am

re: #265 dangerman

still, over time, i have firm confidence that truth, actual unassailable truth, you know —- reality, rises like cream to the top

Yes, but it might be a very long fight back.

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dangerman  Oct 5, 2017 • 7:41:14am

re: #256 FormerDirtDart

Look what those damn liberal elites have gone and done now…

[Embedded content]Americans buying salmon may have inadvertently subsidized North Korea’s nuclear weapons program

unless each package at the “wal-mart or ALDI” was labeled “Product of North Korea” - and all the hair-pulling about it “could” support their nuclear program, “americans” did no such thing

the mechanism that may have let the food into the country did

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I cannot.  Oct 5, 2017 • 7:42:05am

re: #266 Anymouse 🌹

“Devoting your life to it, as conservatives do, is horrifying if only because it’s so repetitious. It’s like sex.”

He was doing it wrong.

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makeitstop  Oct 5, 2017 • 7:43:00am

re: #269 I cannot.

He was doing it wrong.

The mental image of Buckley…I just…can’t…

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 7:43:30am

re: #266 Anymouse 🌹

He was also strange:

Nothing wrong with being strange. Defending Apartheid well into the 1980’s OTOH.

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dangerman  Oct 5, 2017 • 7:43:31am

re: #257 HappyWarrior

Modern conservatism looks more and more like reactionarism to me daily. It’s not a thought out ideology. It’s a reaction to change whether that’s LGBT people, immigrants, or religious minorities. And I’d argue that it’s pretty much been that way for a long time in this coutnry.

its fear of change. because change and adaptation are scary (to some)

it is not because the way things are and /or were is in any way inherently “better” or would be if we could “get back” to the way it once was

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 7:44:04am

re: #269 I cannot.

He was doing it wrong.

You might say he wasn’t doing it right :).

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 7:44:41am

re: #272 dangerman

its fear of change. because change and adaptation are scary (to some)

it is not because the way things are and /or were is in any way inherently “better” or would be if we could “get back” to the way it once was

Oh you know it. Wingnut friend of my Dad’s is constantly whining about how the Costco is filled with “those people.”

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 5, 2017 • 7:46:00am

re: #269 I cannot.

He was doing it wrong.

Capitalism or sex? /s

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dangerman  Oct 5, 2017 • 7:46:35am

re: #262 Anymouse 🌹

Sounds good, though I might get rid of the cream cheese (not a fan) and add crushed pineapples.

you get rid of the cream cheese and it’s a hot dog

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makeitstop  Oct 5, 2017 • 7:46:50am

re: #275 Anymouse 🌹

Capitalism or sex? /s

Why not both?

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 5, 2017 • 7:47:01am

re: #276 dangerman

you get rid of the cream cheese and it’s a hot dog

Until you put the crushed pineapple on it.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 7:48:14am

re: #275 Anymouse 🌹

Capitalism or sex? /s

All of them Katie.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 5, 2017 • 7:48:38am

re: #203 geosherman

Cure Yourself of Tree Blindness t.co article about our Natural world stressing the value of knowledge.— George Sherman

How to recognize different types of trees from a long way away

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 5, 2017 • 7:48:46am

I said I was going to rack out earlier, now I really mean it.

I’m taking my pixels and going home. (Wait, that’s not right, I’m already home.)

I do need to get into town later today for a grocery shopping trip, and I need to check up on our village board chairwoman to see if she is okay after her pickup truck wreck and if she needs anything.

Catch y’all later.

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dangerman  Oct 5, 2017 • 7:48:56am

re: #269 I cannot.

He was doing it wrong.

capitalism? oh absolutely he was

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 5, 2017 • 7:50:19am

I don’t know who put me over seventy thousand karma points here, but thank y’all. Now I can sleep better.

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I cannot.  Oct 5, 2017 • 7:51:18am

re: #282 dangerman

If the sex becomes BORING, you’re not just capitalisming wrong.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 7:52:46am

I still love the story how James Baldwin schooled Buckley at Oxford. How humiliating for a racist jerk like that to be schooled by a gay black leftist.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 5, 2017 • 7:52:48am

re: #284 I cannot.

If the sex becomes BORING, you’re not just capitalisming wrong.

I don’t know what Mr. Buckley’s position on it was, but I’ll bet he was opposed to the idea of capitalism in sex as well.

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dangerman  Oct 5, 2017 • 7:53:24am

re: #274 HappyWarrior

Oh you know it. Wingnut friend of my Dad’s is constantly whining about how the Costco is filled with “those people.”

i get just so weary.
i want to say “yeah and they deprived you of buying exactly what?”
but these insightful and clever retorts dont move the needle at all.

so inside my head i shake my head and move on to something i can have a positive effect on (like watching i dont dangle my participles)

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 7:56:28am

re: #287 dangerman

i get just so weary.
i want to say “yeah and they deprived you of buying exactly what?”
but these insightful and clever retorts dont move the needle at all.

so inside my head i shake my head and move on to something i can have a positive effect on (like watching i dont dangle my participles)

TBH What I’m really tired is seeing how many Nazi apologists there are out there and how many right wing racists are among my generation. Maybe it was naivete but I really thought we’d be different. No direspect to the boomers and Gen Xers but I really thought my generation would be different but we’re not. We gave the world Dylann Roof and so many others.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 5, 2017 • 7:57:33am
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dangerman  Oct 5, 2017 • 7:57:55am

re: #278 Anymouse 🌹

Until you put the crushed pineapple on it.

still a hot dog
in this scenario crushed pineapple is just an exotic form of relish
im trying to unite, not divide us into tribes- cant we all just get along

whereas on a pizza pineapple is fruit — not meat, vegetable, nor fish
do not start in on tomatoes are fruit

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dangerman  Oct 5, 2017 • 7:58:19am

re: #279 HappyWarrior

All of them Katie.

that never gets old

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I cannot.  Oct 5, 2017 • 7:58:38am

re: #286 Anymouse 🌹

Pretty sure his position was missionary position.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 5, 2017 • 7:58:40am

re: #286 Anymouse 🌹

I don’t know what Mr. Buckley’s position on it was, but I’ll bet he was opposed to the idea of capitalism in sex as well.

Not familiar with his sex positions, but he definitely went missionary on capitalism.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 7:58:45am

re: #291 dangerman

that never gets old

And it worked perfectly for this.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 7:59:05am

re: #293 Decatur Deb

Not familiar with his sex positions, but he definitely went missionary on capitalism.

Hey-yo! Snap.

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dangerman  Oct 5, 2017 • 7:59:12am

re: #281 Anymouse 🌹

I said I was going to rack out earlier, now I really mean it.

I’m taking my pixels and going home. (Wait, that’s not right, I’m already home.)

I do need to get into town later today for a grocery shopping trip, and I need to check up on our village board chairwoman to see if she is okay after her pickup truck wreck and if she needs anything.

Catch y’all later.

sure drop the pineapple bomb and then leave….

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 5, 2017 • 7:59:50am

No

These deaths couldn’t move the right to action.
Why should we expect anything to?

Charlotte Bacon, 6
Daniel Barden, 7
Olivia Engel, 6
Josephine Gay, 7
Dylan Hockley, 6
Madeleine Hsu, 6
Catherine Hubbard, 6
Chase Kowalski, 7
Jesse Lewis, 6
Ana Márquez-Greene, 6
James Mattioli, 6
Grace McDonnell, 7
Emilie Parker, 6
Jack Pinto, 6
Noah Pozner, 6
Caroline Previdi, 6
Jessica Rekos, 6
Avielle Richman, 6
Benjamin Wheeler, 6
Allison Wyatt, 6

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:00:11am

re: #287 dangerman

i get just so weary.
i want to say “yeah and they deprived you of buying exactly what?”
but these insightful and clever retorts dont move the needle at all.

so inside my head i shake my head and move on to something i can have a positive effect on (like watching i dont dangle my participles)

Stunk and White have no problem with dangling participles. They note the long history of participle-dangling from famous writers in the English language. (You did drop the apostrophe from “don’t” /pedant).

The clever retort mightn’t move the needle with the person to whom it is aimed, but it might move it with a third person overhearing that.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:00:38am

re: #297 FormerDirtDart

No

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These deaths couldn’t move the right to action.
Why should expect anything to?

No and it breaks my heart that I feel that way but it didn’t after Sandy Hook.

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ObserverArt  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:02:59am

re: #221 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)

It is my good, planned fortune to be retired and managing the reforestation of 11 of my 19 acres of property. My fitness club is digging holes, planting trees, and clearing brush while maintaining the 28 disc golf holes I have built on it. Part of my good fortune includes many 80-year old black walnut trees and a grove of paw paws. Trees are wonderful! Did you know you can use the early basswood leaves as one of the best “lettuces” you’ve ever tasted?

80 year old Black Walnut trees means you have a gold mine on your property.

I know some people here in Ohio that bought some property (late 70s) and found they had several real nice tall Black Walnut trees. They sold some to a hardwood lumber company and used the money to help build their house. It paid for a good portion of it.

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Citizen K  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:06:07am

re: #297 FormerDirtDart

The NRA essentially owns the country. Nothing will change long as this remains true, and it seems like the very act of challenging them makes them stronger because of how many instantly react with unshakable contrarianism that forever thwarts any efforts and hopes for change.

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dangerman  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:07:12am

re: #288 HappyWarrior

TBH What I’m really tired is seeing how many Nazi apologists there are out there and how many right wing racists are among my generation. Maybe it was naivete but I really thought we’d be different. No direspect to the boomers and Gen Xers but I really thought my generation would be different but we’re not. We gave the world Dylann Roof and so many others.

wow - from access to 20# bags of cheetos to dylan roof in one swoop. impressive ;-)

my idealism went sad when all the make love, not war, peace on earth hippies became insurance and mutual funds salesmen and forgot about saving the world.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:07:49am

re: #301 Citizen K

The NRA essentially owns the country. Nothing will change long as this remains true, and it seems like the very act of challenging them makes them stronger because of how many instantly react with unshakable contrarianism that forever thwarts any efforts and hopes for change.

I’d love for a sitting Congressman to call the NRA and their puppets cowards. I want LaPierre to be scared shitless of people voting against his narrow vision of guns and his puppets.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:08:37am
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Belafon  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:09:45am

re: #297 FormerDirtDart

To continue my thought above, we need to change the conversation back to what the shooters doing being wrong. The theme has shifted too far in the direction of what people could have done to prevent themselves from being targets and how they could have defended themselves. We would classify this as terrorism if it were threats from ISIS. We need to treat it as that. It’s time to talk about minimizing the chances of it happening again.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:09:52am

re: #302 dangerman

wow - from access to 20# bags of cheetos to dylan roof in one swoop. impressive ;-)

my idealism went sad when all the make love, not war, peace on earth hippies became insurance and mutual funds salesmen and forgot about saving the world.

Ah the 80’s. TBH My idealism was dimmed before Roof but Roof really did show to me that my generation isn’t going to be the one that saves us from our past follies. I’m holding out some hope for my niece. My niece is in an unique position in my family being first generation American through her mom. Sandy Hook always makes me think about her especially as she grows older.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:10:19am

re: #304 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Facebook can be a great social media platform but man tehy have problems.

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Citizen K  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:11:45am

re: #306 HappyWarrior

Ah the 80’s. TBH My idealism was dimmed before Roof but Roof really did show to me that my generation isn’t going to be the one that saves us from our past follies. I’m holding out some hope for my niece. My niece is in an unique position in my family being first generation American through her mom. Sandy Hook always makes me think about her especially as she grows older.

If anything else, it feels like our generation just made being racist and xenophobic ‘hip’ again. Thank you SO FUCKING MUCH, 4Chan and Reddit….

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:12:08am

re: #277 makeitstop

Why not both?

Getting fucked by capitalism

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calochortus  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:12:33am

re: #256 FormerDirtDart

Look what those damn liberal elites have gone and done now…

[Embedded content]

I’m sorry, but as an elite liberal, I buy my (wild caught, in season) salmon at the farmers’ market or my little local grocer’s meat counter.
If you’re buying it at Walmart, you’re doing it wrong.

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dangerman  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:13:51am

re: #298 Anymouse 🌹

Stunk and White have no problem with dangling participles. They note the long history of participle-dangling from famous writers in the English language. (You did drop the apostrophe from “don’t” /pedant).

The clever retort mightn’t move the needle with the person to whom it is aimed, but it might move it with a third person overhearing that.

true
strunk and white are a fave
i was being glib (or maybe i wasnt)

you may (or not) have noticed i often dont capitalize or punctuate

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:14:16am

re: #308 Citizen K

If anything else, it feels like our generation just made being racist and xenophobic ‘hip’ again. Thank you SO FUCKING MUCH, 4Chan and Reddit….

Our parents rebelled by being hippies and civil rights activists. Our generation rebels by listening to Alt-Right bullshit artists like Milo and Spencer.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:15:42am

In other words, he didn’t specifically target country music fans/Trumpers. Another GOP Nazi myth debunked.

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dangerman  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:16:12am

re: #297 FormerDirtDart

No

[Embedded content]

These deaths couldn’t move the right to action.
Why should we expect anything to?

like a lot of folks, i viscerally thought “children”, now there will be action

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:16:33am

re: #313 Dr. Matt

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In other words, he didn’t specifically target country music fans/Trumpers. Another GOP Nazi myth debunked.

The guy’s friends have said he was a country music fan himself.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:16:39am

re: #312 HappyWarrior

Our parents rebelled by being hippies and civil rights activists. Our generation rebels by listening to Alt-Right bullshit artists like Milo and Spencer.

I have a gay Republican buddy (and Breitbart/Milo fan) whose parents were radical 60’s college professors.

He just likes being contrarian and getting a rise out of people.

I don’t go for his baiting, as a result of which we have not communicated in some months…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:17:46am

re: #313 Dr. Matt

[Embedded content]

In other words, he didn’t specifically target country music fans/Trumpers. Another GOP Nazi myth debunked.

Everyone knows that ever since the Dixie Chicks purge of 2003, only True Patriots listen to American Country music.

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Citizen K  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:19:26am

re: #316 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I have a gay Republican buddy (and Breitbart/Milo fan) whose parents were radical 60’s college professors.

He just likes being contrarian and getting a rise out of people.

I don’t go for his baiting, as a result of which we have not communicated in some months…

‘Reflexive contrarianism’ seems to be the pattern of all of this. Between this and the Backfire Effect, it’s why I feel increasingly helpless trying to push back against anything because of the feeling that it just sends people screaming further away precisely out of spite, even the supposed reachable fence-sitters.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:20:44am

re: #315 HappyWarrior

The guy’s friends have said he was a country music fan himself.

And his friend said he was a conservative.

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dangerman  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:20:46am

re: #301 Citizen K

The NRA essentially owns the country. Nothing will change long as this remains true, and it seems like the very act of challenging them makes them stronger because of how many instantly react with unshakable contrarianism that forever thwarts any efforts and hopes for change.

and yet they only have like 5 million members - literally 2% of the adult US population

the 98% - which includes non-owners and a lot of responsible owners, have ceded this power and could take it back instantly if it wanted to

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Le Coquí Résistance  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:21:44am

Sorry for the late reply. I’m trying to find new internet hotspots.

re: #309 CleverToad

Whew!!!!! Have been worrying about you, it’s a relief to hear you’re alive, and finally connected again.

Thank you! {{{CleverToad}}}

Know it’s going to be rough for a long time. Are there things we can do from here that may help, beyond pressuring our damn congresscritters every day? Organizations that have been effective?

The toughest problem right now is distribution. I live on the West coast, and most stores open and close depending on the inventory they have. It’s jaw-dropping seeing fast food stores closing for a couple of days. Aid has faced the same problems. It’s getting easier tho.

Hospitals outside the metro area have been in critical state, because they aren’t getting diesel, medicines, and other help. Even the state government seems to be ignoring them, because some has been asking on AM stations for the Secretary of Health to contact them, despite said Secretary having been to the west the day before.

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Citizen K  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:22:57am

re: #320 dangerman

and yet they only have like 5 million members - literally 2% of the adult US population

the 98% - which includes non-owners and a lot of responsible owners, have ceded this power and could take it back instantly if it wanted to

This presumes that all of that 98% could and would stand up against the NRA given the chance. A non-insignificant amount of that non-membership population may as well be NRA because they side with them almost 100%.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:23:09am

*thud*

where to begin???

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:23:20am

re: #316 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I have a gay Republican buddy (and Breitbart/Milo fan) whose parents were radical 60’s college professors.

He just likes being contrarian and getting a rise out of people.

I don’t go for his baiting, as a result of which we have not communicated in some months…

Good, guy seems like a jerk.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:25:14am

re: #323 Backwoods_Sleuth

*thud*

where to begin???

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So Dinesh, do you think North Korea is Democratic? Look at who the Nazis went after if you really want to spread this crap, you imbecile. They went after social democrats (socialists), trade labor unions (typically on the left), Jews (who they associated with the left), etc. Many more German conservatives were sympathetic to the NSDAP than German lefties. So Dinesh go back to fucking Laura Ingraham and leave the history to those of us who actually studied it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:26:09am

re: #324 HappyWarrior

Good, guy seems like a jerk.

he has developed a serious sociopathic streak, I got tired of it

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:26:35am
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Sir John Barron  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:26:57am

re: #323 Backwoods_Sleuth

*thud*

where to begin???

Dinesh is a special kind of stupid.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:26:59am

re: #326 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

he has developed a serious sociopathic streak, I got tired of it

I don’t blame you. I have a friend who’s gone wingnut. We still talk but I’ve honestly lost a lot of respect for him.

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ObserverArt  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:27:00am

So Trump is crying about ‘fake news’ in tweets today.

Can anyone remember if Obama ever complained or made any mention of Trump making a big deal about his birth certificate?

And what was all that for so many years? Fake news. How many reports, stories, posts, comments on TV, newspapers, web sites were generated by Trump’s Birtherism?

Shut up Donny, you thin skinned asshole. Everything about you is fake. So any reporting about you would by nature be fake.

And you will never have 1% of the class Obama had.

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Interesting Times  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:28:26am

For any Austin Lizards who may be interested:

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:29:24am

Everyone I see who contends the Nazis were lefties is a wingnut hack with an agenda to liken all liberals to Nazis. Academics, you know people who actually spent nights studying the Nazis all contend they were on the right. I’ll trust an actual historian over some hack who goes “see they call themselves National Socialists ergo they’re lefties!” Now it is true that the Nazis weren’t lasiezz-faire capitalist and it’s also true that they did have a movement within the party that did have socialist inclinations but it’s also true that those members were purged. Hitler hated socialists and socialism. He saw it as detrimental to German national unity.

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William Lewis  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:29:32am

re: #304 Backwoods_Sleuth

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This is one more example of why I refuse to use Facebook and Twitter. No matter how much people claim you can do good with them, their owners are destroying the fabric of the nation and we really must stop enabling that by stopping our use of them.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:30:00am
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William Lewis  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:32:05am

re: #323 Backwoods_Sleuth

*thud*

where to begin???

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Dinesh D’felon, that lie is older than you.

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Renaissance_Man  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:32:37am

re: #320 dangerman

and yet they only have like 5 million members - literally 2% of the adult US population

the 98% - which includes non-owners and a lot of responsible owners, have ceded this power and could take it back instantly if it wanted to

They won’t, however, because they are trained to obey their mass media. Americans are trained from birth in a media saturation environment to do so.

And their mass media is above all invested in maintaining the primacy of white, middle American Culture, which means presenting a cult of human sacrifice and any measure of sanity on guns as two equal extremes and a difference of opinion.

I have long been the most anti-gun member of this site. I don’t talk about it much anymore due to futility, but I am curious about something, though I doubt I will like the answer. I wonder, for those here at LGF who do love their guns and keep them around, if, hypothetically, it could be shown that you, personally, giving up your guns would lead to a 20% reduction in American gun deaths and injuries, would you do it? If not, what percentage would be enough for you to do it? Or is it inconceivable that your guns are the problem, and thus the whole hypothetical scenario is impossible and unworthy of consideration?

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calochortus  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:32:37am

re: #332 HappyWarrior

Everyone I see who contends the Nazis were lefties is a wingnut hack with an agenda to liken all liberals to Nazis. Academics, you know people who actually spent nights studying the Nazis all contend they were on the right. I’ll trust an actual historian over some hack who goes “see they call themselves National Socialists ergo they’re lefties!” Now it is true that the Nazis weren’t lasiezz-faire capitalist and it’s also true that they did have a movement within the party that did have socialist inclinations but it’s also true that those members were purged. Hitler hated socialists and socialism. He saw it as detrimental to German national unity.

And to think these are the same people who lose sleep over important issues like “Just because that transgender person says he’s a woman doesn’t make it so. He’ll always be a man no matter what label he puts on himself.”

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makeitstop  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:32:39am

Interesting. A good guy without a gun

Jesus Campos had no firearm when he found Stephen Paddock and approached his room on the 32rd floor of Mandalay Bay on Sunday night.

Paddock, who had rigged cameras in the hallway and on the peephole of the door, saw Campos coming and fired through the door, hitting him in the leg, said Dave Hickey, president of the International Union, Security, Police and Fire Professionals of America. The union represents Campos and hundreds of security guards at Mandalay Bay.
When Campos was hit, he radioed casino dispatch and told them his location—and Paddock’s.

“We received information via their dispatch center…that helped us locate where this individual was sequestered,” Clark County Sheriff Joseph Lombardo told reporters Tuesday.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:33:14am

re: #337 calochortus

And to think these are the same people who lose sleep over important issues like “Just because that transgender person says he’s a woman doesn’t make it so. He’ll always be a man no matter what label he puts on himself.”

That’s a good point too.

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scottslemmons  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:33:41am

re: #329 HappyWarrior

I don’t blame you. I have a friend who’s gone wingnut. We still talk but I’ve honestly lost a lot of respect for him.

I randomly found the Twitter account of an old college friend yesterday. And I had to immediately mute/block her because her timeline was a long list of Nazi retweets. :(

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:33:48am

re: #338 makeitstop

Interesting. A good guy without a gun

Full recovery, Mr. Campos. I would have been scared as hell.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:35:06am

re: #340 scottslemmons

I randomly found the Twitter account of an old college friend yesterday. And I had to immediately mute/block her because her timeline was a long list of Nazi retweets. :(

With my wingnut friend, literally overnight he started posting wingnut memes. To be honest, anyone else, I’d probably consider defriending but the two of us have known each other since we were kids and he is a legitimately good friend but I hate what he’s become on politics. He doesn’t post Nazi RTs or shit like that but some stupid dishonest crap.

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Belafon  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:35:33am

re: #323 Backwoods_Sleuth

I think the “First they came for” poem is a good start. Then we can talk about the Democratic Republic of North Korea. Then finish up with he’s an idiot.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:35:55am

re: #340 scottslemmons

I randomly found the Twitter account of an old college friend yesterday. And I had to immediately mute/block her because her timeline was a long list of Nazi retweets. :(

I found an old high school buddy on FB, looked at his timeline full of pro-gun and anti-Hillary/Obama tweets and decided not to try to re-establish contact.

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dangerman  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:39:36am

re: #322 Citizen K

This presumes that all of that 98% could and would stand up against the NRA given the chance. A non-insignificant amount of that non-membership population may as well be NRA because they side with them almost 100%.

the nra’s power is not in its lobbying budget
it’s that its members and those non members you mentioned are mobilized and engaged in the political process. they donate, write letters, etc.

so yes, granted re the non members this is a sizable lobby of orgs and individuals.

so even though the 98 is not 98, still i’d settle for half being equally and oppositely engaged.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:40:07am
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meteor  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:41:01am

re: #323 Backwoods_Sleuth

Not true.

There is the Indian Ocean and the Pacific Ocean. Because they both are called Ocean, they are both in the exact same place.

That’s his logic.

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William Lewis  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:42:33am

Still more OT Jerbs stuff:

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:43:47am
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dangerman  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:43:57am

re: #325 HappyWarrior

So Dinesh, do you think North Korea is Democratic? Look at who the Nazis went after if you really want to spread this crap, you imbecile. They went after social democrats (socialists), trade labor unions (typically on the left), Jews (who they associated with the left), etc. Many more German conservatives were sympathetic to the NSDAP than German lefties. So Dinesh go back to fucking Laura Ingraham and leave the history to those of us who actually studied it.

like i was saying sometimes i wonder if all this rebuttal is necessary - and only toward the “patient zero”

he creates and disseminates bullshit
the rubes read it
now its true in many multiple heads
job done

it doesnt matter whether he knows or cares whether its “true” or not, or if hes just making shit up. and pointing it out / tweeting back - whistling against the wind

i just dont know

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:44:23am

re: #347 meteor

Not true.

There is the Indian Ocean and the Pacific Ocean. Because they both are called Ocean, they are both in the exact same place.

That’s his logic.

I think he knows better honestly but he knows the idiots that read his bullshit don’t.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:44:26am

re: #323 Backwoods_Sleuth

*thud*

where to begin???

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And Dinesh D’Souza translates to “I open my eyes and see the inner wall of my colon”.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:44:47am

re: #349 FormerDirtDart

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Sigh. Here we fucking go again.

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calochortus  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:47:07am

re: #348 William Lewis

Still more OT Jerbs stuff:

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ObserverArt  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:47:18am

re: #353 HappyWarrior

Sigh. Here we fucking go again.

They are toys for so many. Then some day they get pissed off at something or somebody and they take their toys and turn them into killing machines.

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Interesting Times  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:47:20am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:47:45am

Something funny about wingnut friend posting Jack Nicholson’s “You can’t handle the truth” from A Few Good Men being needed to be seen by every liberal since if I recall the movie, Nicholson’s character is covering up a murder and Nicholson and director Rob Reiner are both huge liberals.

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scottslemmons  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:47:51am

re: #342 HappyWarrior

With my wingnut friend, literally overnight he started posting wingnut memes. To be honest, anyone else, I’d probably consider defriending but the two of us have known each other since we were kids and he is a legitimately good friend but I hate what he’s become on politics. He doesn’t post Nazi RTs or shit like that but some stupid dishonest crap.

I’ve mostly purged my Facebook friends list of wingnuts. I’ve kept a number of friends who are Republicans or Christians who don’t post obnoxious stuff. I’ve kept at least one libertarian who is a genuinely fun person to be around. I’ve kept one conservative trucker/gun nut who vehemently hates racism (and all other isms) and periodically posts stories about him humiliating truck stop racists.

The person I blocked on Twitter was someone I’d friended a few years ago when I first joined Facebook and who’d dropped me ages ago. I worry plenty that a lot of people I went to college or high school with have probably gone over to the Nazi side. It’s a big reason why I never go to class reunions — Generation X turned out to be the most wingnutty generation. :(

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:48:24am

re: #355 ObserverArt

They are toys for so many. Then some day they get pissed off at something or somebody and they take their toys and turn them into killing machines.

I just put on Where Have All the Flowers Gone? I find myself asking what Mary was asking, “Oh when will they ever learn?”

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:49:21am

re: #358 scottslemmons

I’ve mostly purged my Facebook friends list of wingnuts. I’ve kept a number of friends who are Republicans or Christians who don’t post obnoxious stuff. I’ve kept at least one libertarian who is a genuinely fun person to be around. I’ve kept one conservative trucker/gun nut who vehemently hates racism (and all other isms) and periodically posts stories about him humiliating truck stop racists.

The person I blocked on Twitter was someone I’d friended a few years ago when I first joined Facebook and who’d dropped me ages ago. I worry plenty that a lot of people I went to college or high school with have probably gone over to the Nazi side. It’s a big reason why I never go to class reunions — Generation X turned out to be the most wingnutty generation. :(

My libertarian friends thankfully are mostly pretty chill. And they’re against racism and defend groups like BLM. TBH I don’t purge people. Just not my nature.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:52:33am

TBH for a long time on Facebook, I didn’t talk politics but I’ve started speaking my mind more since Trump won. I admit, I’m trying to get my few conservative friends to engage but they don’t seem to want to and I guess that’s no knock, I don’t go on their pages either but what I’m ultimately trying to do is get people to think and empathize.

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calochortus  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:53:50am

Once again it’s time to go do stuff.
BBL

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sagehen  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:55:12am

re: #330 ObserverArt

So Trump is crying about ‘fake news’ in tweets today.

Can anyone remember if Obama ever complained or made any mention of Trump making a big deal about his birth certificate?

Other than at the White House Correspondents’ Dinner?

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Belafon  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:55:31am

re: #336 Renaissance_Man

They won’t, however, because they are trained to obey their mass media. Americans are trained from birth in a media saturation environment to do so.

And their mass media is above all invested in maintaining the primacy of white, middle American Culture, which means presenting a cult of human sacrifice and any measure of sanity on guns as two equal extremes and a difference of opinion.

I have long been the most anti-gun member of this site. I don’t talk about it much anymore due to futility, but I am curious about something, though I doubt I will like the answer. I wonder, for those here at LGF who do love their guns and keep them around, if, hypothetically, it could be shown that you, personally, giving up your guns would lead to a 20% reduction in American gun deaths and injuries, would you do it? If not, what percentage would be enough for you to do it? Or is it inconceivable that your guns are the problem, and thus the whole hypothetical scenario is impossible and unworthy of consideration?

The problem with this argument is that it doesn’t stand up to evidence either. The flipside of “‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens” is that lots of other industrial countries have guns and don’t have this problem.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:56:07am

re: #363 sagehen

Other than at the White House Correspondents’ Dinner?

If he did, it was always in a joking matter which I think infuriated them even more.

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:56:14am

Am I wrong? “Our long-term business plan leans heavily on old, paranoid white guys hoarding tons of expensive gear”, is not the kind of thinking that makes me want to run out and buy stock in gun makers.

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dangerman  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:57:12am

re: #351 HappyWarrior

I think he knows better honestly but he knows the idiots that read his bullshit don’t.

THIS is what i meant in my 350

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scottslemmons  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:57:28am

re: #360 HappyWarrior

My libertarian friends thankfully are mostly pretty chill. And they’re against racism and defend groups like BLM. TBH I don’t purge people. Just not my nature.

I’m a big believer in purging wingnuts. I do Facebook for fun, and reading a former friend’s devolution into psychosis is not fun.

I have some friends who keep noxious wingnuts on their friends list, who then make noxious and utterly psychotic comments on their posts, and I wonder why they want to maintain contact with people who are dangerous and insane.

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Citizen K  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:57:29am

re: #357 HappyWarrior

Something funny about wingnut friend posting Jack Nicholson’s “You can’t handle the truth” from A Few Good Men being needed to be seen by every liberal since if I recall the movie, Nicholson’s character is covering up a murder and Nicholson and director Rob Reiner are both huge liberals.

The whole point of the scene was to highlight how hypocritical Nicholson’s character’s self-righteousness is. He’s a monster trying to justify himself, and somehow people have twisted his message into a positive one by stripping it of the context.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:57:41am

re: #367 dangerman

THIS is what i meant in my 350

I think you’re right.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:59:01am

re: #369 Citizen K

The whole point of the scene was to highlight how hypocritical Nicholson’s character’s self-righteousness is. He’s a monster trying to justify himself, and somehow people have twisted his message into a positive one by stripping it of the context.

I’ve never seen the movie honestly just people mimicking that line. I just think it’s funny that my wingnut friend wants it directed at liberals even though the actor who said it was a liberal as was the director who directed it and I think Aaron Sorkin may have even been that film’s screenwriter.

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dangerman  Oct 5, 2017 • 9:00:36am

re: #359 HappyWarrior

I just put on Where Have All the Flowers Gone? I find myself asking what Mary was asking, “Oh when will they ever learn?”

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 9:01:02am

re: #368 scottslemmons

I’m a big believer in purging wingnuts. I do Facebook for fun, and reading a former friend’s devolution into psychosis is not fun.

I have some friends who keep noxious wingnuts on their friends list, who then make noxious and utterly psychotic comments on their posts, and I wonder why they want to maintain contact with people who are dangerous and insane.

I don’t blame you at all.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 9:01:19am

re: #372 dangerman

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I’m a hippie’s kid, what can I say?

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dangerman  Oct 5, 2017 • 9:03:09am

re: #369 Citizen K

The whole point of the scene was to highlight how hypocritical Nicholson’s character’s self-righteousness is. He’s a monster trying to justify himself, and somehow people have twisted his message into a positive one by stripping it of the context.

Who knew context was so hard?

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dangerman  Oct 5, 2017 • 9:03:39am

re: #370 HappyWarrior

I think you’re right.

Then you are too😎

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 9:04:19am

re: #375 dangerman

Who knew context was so hard?

My friend apparently who I kid you not was whining about Happy Holidays before Labor Day. Thing is? He’s honestly a nice guy but he’s very intolerant too of anything that isn’t flag waving or gun totting.

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William Lewis  Oct 5, 2017 • 9:04:19am

re: #374 HappyWarrior

I’m a hippie’s kid, what can I say?

My parents were a little too old, I was a little too young. God bless but I got lucky that way… ;)

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 5, 2017 • 9:04:45am
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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Oct 5, 2017 • 9:04:49am

When the bumpstock devices first appeared, the consensus around the gun range was “idiotic,” “stupid” “dangerous” etc. The rangemaster had the final word, though: “BANNED!”

Now that they have come onto the evil lib gun-grab radar though, they are “necessary” “harmless” and “our right.”

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dangerman  Oct 5, 2017 • 9:04:53am

re: #374 HappyWarrior

I’m a hippie’s kid, what can I say?

“Far out”?!

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 9:05:05am

re: #378 William Lewis

My parents were a little too old, I was a little too young. God bless but I got lucky that way… ;)

Dad likes to joke he’s the hippie that married the yuppie. My mom’s becoming radical though in her Grandmotherhood years though!

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 9:05:19am

re: #381 dangerman

“Far out”?!

Groovy!

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SteelPH  Oct 5, 2017 • 9:06:15am

re: #383 HappyWarrior

Groovy!

I actually still use this in everyday conversation.

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dangerman  Oct 5, 2017 • 9:06:30am

re: #377 HappyWarrior

My friend apparently who I kid you not was whining about Happy Holidays before Labor Day. Thing is? He’s honestly a nice guy but he’s very intolerant too of anything that isn’t flag waving or gun totting.

Which takes us back to the ability to critically think and reason and come to conclusions for onesself

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electrotek  Oct 5, 2017 • 9:06:31am

Man, I’m being accused of being “full of hatred” here on my FB:

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Because pointing out the fact that the lines between right-wing and the far-right have been blurred thanks to this current administration means I’m full of hate and anger?

Me, the one arguing against guns, is full of hatred and anger. *rolleyes*

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 9:07:20am

re: #384 SteelPH

I actually still use this in everyday conversation.

It’s a good word, dude.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 9:08:01am

re: #385 dangerman

Which takes us back to the ability to critically think and reason and come to conclusions for onesself

So true.

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dangerman  Oct 5, 2017 • 9:08:21am

re: #384 SteelPH

I actually still use this in everyday conversation.

Cool

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SteelPH  Oct 5, 2017 • 9:08:40am

re: #387 HappyWarrior

It’s a good word, dude.

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William Lewis  Oct 5, 2017 • 9:09:09am

re: #383 HappyWarrior

Groovy!

Cowabunga!

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dangerman  Oct 5, 2017 • 9:09:53am

re: #391 William Lewis

Cowabunga!

Surfs up dude

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Renaissance_Man  Oct 5, 2017 • 9:10:49am

re: #364 Belafon

The problem with this argument is that it doesn’t stand up to evidence either. The flipside of “‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens” is that lots of other industrial countries have guns and don’t have this problem.

That’s because the problem is not just the owning of guns. It is the idea of owning guns for the purpose of fighting with them. Americans keep guns for the purpose, implicit or explicit, of having to use them on other people - to ‘defend themselves’, ‘defend their property’, ‘stop criminals’, and so forth. It is a purpose ingrained into their Culture. They own and keep guns with the expectation that they will use them to fight with in civilian life - to settle disputes, to kill bad guys, to ‘save lives’.

This is why I suspect none of them would ever give up a gun, not to save any life, not to save any number of lives. The Gun, and their Guns, cannot by definition be a problem, because a problem implies a moral deficit. Guns are moral by definition because they are the bringers of life. It would be akin to asking people to give up food to cure cancer. In American Culture, there is no connection between the sacred Gun in my hand and other people shooting other people. They exist totally separate from each other, unconnected.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 9:12:33am

re: #393 Renaissance_Man

That’s because the problem is not just the owning of guns. It is the idea of owning guns for the purpose of fighting with them. Americans keep guns for the purpose, implicit or explicit, of having to use them on other people - to ‘defend themselves’, ‘defend their property’, ‘stop criminals’, and so forth. It is a purpose ingrained into their Culture. They own and keep guns with the expectation that they will use them to fight with in civilian life - to settle disputes, to kill bad guys, to ‘save lives’.

This is why I suspect none of them would ever give up a gun, not to save any life, not to save any number of lives. The Gun, and their Guns, cannot by definition be a problem, because a problem implies a moral deficit. Guns are moral by definition because they are the bringers of life. It would be akin to asking people to give up food to cure cancer In American Culture, there is no connection between the sacred Gun in my hand and other people shooting other people. They exist totally separate from each other, unconnected.

Nailed it.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 9:13:40am

I talked about the idea of guns being linked to masculinity last night too. Can’t be a real man if you’re not loaded to the teeth ya know!

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makeitstop  Oct 5, 2017 • 9:16:10am

re: #393 Renaissance_Man

That’s because the problem is not just the owning of guns. It is the idea of owning guns for the purpose of fighting with them. Americans keep guns for the purpose, implicit or explicit, of having to use them on other people - to ‘defend themselves’, ‘defend their property’, ‘stop criminals’, and so forth. It is a purpose ingrained into their Culture. They own and keep guns with the expectation that they will use them to fight with in civilian life - to settle disputes, to kill bad guys, to ‘save lives’.

This is why I find it hilarious (in a really depressing way) that most of the people I see claiming that they need guns to ‘protect themselves from a tyrannical government’ are the same people bitching about the NFL players not showing that government the proper amount of respect.

I actually asked a couple of them that very question yesterday, and they simply bailed from the conversation.

I laugh my rueful laugh.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 9:17:21am

re: #396 makeitstop

This is why I find it hilarious (in a really depressing way) that most of the people I see claiming that they need guns to ‘protect themselves from a tyrannical government’ are the same people bitching about the NFL players not showing that government the proper amount of respect.

I actually asked a couple of them that very question yesterday, and they simply bailed from the conversation.

I laugh my rueful laugh.

Yep “I need my guns to prevent the government from turning into Nazi Germany 2.0” but also “Anyone who doesn’t stand for the national anthem hates America and disrespects the troops.” More wingnut bullshit speak.

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dangerman  Oct 5, 2017 • 9:18:33am

re: #393 Renaissance_Man

That’s because the problem is not just the owning of guns. It is the idea of owning guns for the purpose of fighting with them. Americans keep guns for the purpose, implicit or explicit, of having to use them on other people - to ‘defend themselves’, ‘defend their property’, ‘stop criminals’, and so forth. It is a purpose ingrained into their Culture. They own and keep guns with the expectation that they will use them to fight with in civilian life - to settle disputes, to kill bad guys, to ‘save lives’.

This is why I suspect none of them would ever give up a gun, not to save any life, not to save any number of lives. The Gun, and their Guns, cannot by definition be a problem, because a problem implies a moral deficit. Guns are moral by definition because they are the bringers of life. It would be akin to asking people to give up food to cure cancer. In American Culture, there is no connection between the sacred Gun in my hand and other people shooting other people. They exist totally separate from each other, unconnected.

And I’m responsible. my guns aren’t the problem

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 9:20:36am

re: #398 dangerman

And I’m responsible. my guns aren’t the problem

My favorite is “Good guy with a gun.” Well until Sunday, this was a “good guy.” What I find maddening and I saw Allegro mention it last night or this morning is the constant talking down to people who don’t know everything about guns by gun nuts. Man it drove me nuts when DF would do that. Okay, I admit it, i don’t know much about guns but I do know this, these weapons are designed to fire rounds rapidly in a short amound of time and that’s their purpose and their purpose in combat is to kill a lot of people in a quick amount of time.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 9:21:15am

As much as I’m not fond of guns, I’d rather have more gun owners in this country than more guns in a small group’s hands.

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dangerman  Oct 5, 2017 • 9:21:18am

re: #396 makeitstop

This is why I find it hilarious (in a really depressing way) that most of the people I see claiming that they need guns to ‘protect themselves from a tyrannical government’ are the same people bitching about the NFL players not showing that government the proper amount of respect.

I actually asked a couple of them that very question yesterday, and they simply bailed from the conversation.

I laugh my rueful laugh.

because it’s not the current government they need protection from - it’s a future one

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 9:23:16am

To me, it’s always telling how the NRA time and time again pulls the same sad show on Democratic candidates. THEY’RE THERE TO TAKE THEIR GUNS. And many people vote accordingly. No mainstream Democrat has proposed abolishing the 2nd amendment. But you wouldn’t know it from the NRA’s campaign of lies. And they like to accuse people in the cities of not understandign rural life and gun owners, well I’d suggest they don’t understand why people in the cities don’t want guns on their streets.

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I cannot.  Oct 5, 2017 • 9:25:05am

re: #398 dangerman

You all remember the Cantwell dude from the Unite the Derp rally? In the Vice documentary he’s showing the reporter all his guns and he’s like “Yeah, got so many I can’t keep track of all my fuckin guns”. That, to me, is irresponsible.

I have swords in my house. I know how many I have, exactly where they’re at, and exactly how fast they are moving. The Heisenberg uncertainty principle doesn’t apply to swords that I own.

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 5, 2017 • 9:25:15am
Sessions reverses DOJ policy on transgender employee protections: report

thehill.com

I don’t understand. Didn’t Trump once awkwardly hold up a rainbow flag with a crudely scribbled pro-gay message on it?

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Belafon  Oct 5, 2017 • 9:25:32am

My guns aren’t the problem. But, then again, my guns won’t kill 50+ and injure 500 more unless the people just stay there, let me walk among them, and shoot for two hours.

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dangerman  Oct 5, 2017 • 9:26:05am

re: #399 HappyWarrior

My favorite is “Good guy with a gun.” Well until Sunday, this was a “good guy.” What I find maddening and I saw Allegro mention it last night or this morning is the constant talking down to people who don’t know everything about guns by gun nuts. Man it drove me nuts when DF would do that. Okay, I admit it, i don’t know much about guns but I do know this, these weapons are designed to fire rounds rapidly in a short amound of time and that’s their purpose and their purpose in combat is to kill a lot of people in a quick amount of time.

it will likely take the curtailing, abridging, controlling, of the guns in the hands of the majority of responsible people to have any effect on this growing problem.

there’s no clear path through that.

all ive got left for now is what i said above

lots more laws about accountability might change some thinking that these things are, you know, dangerous

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 9:27:58am

re: #404 Ace-o-aces

thehill.com

I don’t understand. Didn’t Trump once awkwardly hold up a rainbow flag with a crudely scribbled pro-gay message on it?

Milo and the few gay wingnuts hate transgendered people as much as the religious right but you’re right, Trump did promise to protect LGBT Americans and Ivanka is supposed to be a “moderating influence” on this issue but we know that’s bullshit.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 9:28:58am

re: #403 I cannot.

You all remember the Cantwell dude from the Unite the Derp rally? In the Vice documentary he’s showing the reporter all his guns and he’s like “Yeah, got so many I can’t keep track of all my fuckin guns”. That, to me, is irresponsible.

I have swords in my house. I know how many I have, exactly where they’re at, and exactly how fast they are moving. The Heisenberg uncertainty principle doesn’t apply to swords that I own.

It’s very irresponsible. And the NRA encourages it.

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austin_blue  Oct 5, 2017 • 9:29:27am

re: #52 Decatur Deb

For consideration: Jet fuel is a hell of a lot harder to ignite than the 87 octane stuff you put in your Volkswagen. Psycho shooter might not have known that.

Jet-A is diesel with antifreeze. The flash point is 100º F. A bucket of jet fuel is a convenient receptacle to extinguish lit matches, unless air temp exceeds 100º.

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dangerman  Oct 5, 2017 • 9:32:48am

re: #403 I cannot.

You all remember the Cantwell dude from the Unite the Derp rally? In the Vice documentary he’s showing the reporter all his guns and he’s like “Yeah, got so many I can’t keep track of all my fuckin guns”. That, to me, is irresponsible.

I have swords in my house. I know how many I have, exactly where they’re at, and exactly how fast they are moving. The Heisenberg uncertainty principle doesn’t apply to swords that I own.

yup - rules, enacted into laws could be really simple:

1. Control your gun/weapon/arms at all times
2. Severe criminal, civil and social responsibilities and liabilities (including losing the rkba) for use, misuse, discharge, storage, transfer (temporary or permanent), etc.

if you cant accept #2, dont own, possess or handle a gun

why american society cant recognize the 2A exists WHILE ALSO providing stiff accountability / responsibility penalties has always baffled me

it does not infringe on anyone’s right to simultaneously acknowledge their implicit responsibility to others

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BeachDem  Oct 5, 2017 • 9:33:38am

re: #402 HappyWarrior

To me, it’s always telling how the NRA time and time again pulls the same sad show on Democratic candidates. THEY’RE THERE TO TAKE THEIR GUNS. And many people vote accordingly. No mainstream Democrat has proposed abolishing the 2nd amendment. But you wouldn’t know it from the NRA’s campaign of lies. And they like to accuse people in the cities of not understandign rural life and gun owners, well I’d suggest they don’t understand why people in the cities don’t want guns on their streets.

Upding for using they’re, there and their in the same sentence—correctly!

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 9:39:57am

re: #411 BeachDem

Upding for using they’re, there and their in the same sentence—correctly!

Hah didn’t even realize it.

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I cannot.  Oct 5, 2017 • 9:42:16am

re: #410 dangerman

yup - rules, enacted into laws could be really simple:

1. Control your gun/weapon/arms at all times

If you want to use heavy weapons or full-auto anything like an M2 or whatever, I would actually be OK with that…PROVIDED…

…that it be kept at a range/storage facility that has 24/7 armed security at all times, except when used on the range and that transfers from one facility to another be done by licensed, bonded and insured couriers.

(this is just a quick idea, I’m sure there’s holes in it)

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lawhawk  Oct 5, 2017 • 9:46:01am

Caveat: I don’t own firearms, and have never fired a live round.

Bump stock is meant to override the need to press trigger each time. It’s my understanding that firearms are designed to fire X rounds per second, and that exceeding that would potentially damage the barrel or other mechanisms since undue heat/stresses would cause the barrel to potentially deform (basic science’y stuff).

If rounds are fired, it causes heat and stress on gun.
If you fire the gun even faster, you’re putting more stress on the gun and increase the heat since the gun isn’t cooling down (even if momentarily) between rounds?

So, the end result would be a gun that is less reliable, more likely to be damaged, and might be rendered unusable because of rifle droop or other damage?

Is that correct?

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sagehen  Oct 5, 2017 • 9:50:46am

That’s why printed (plastic) guns are throwaways… it only takes 2-3 shots to melt enough of the barrel’s interior that your next shot is likely to explode the whole damn thing.

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Interesting Times  Oct 5, 2017 • 9:51:14am

Wow, I found a conspiracy theory for Las Vegas that’s actually true:

The shooter had a lot of help from 52 Senators and 240 Representatives.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 5, 2017 • 9:51:35am

re: #414 lawhawk

Caveat: I don’t own firearms, and have never fired a live round.

Bump stock is meant to override the need to press trigger each time. It’s my understanding that firearms are designed to fire X rounds per second, and that exceeding that would potentially damage the barrel or other mechanisms since undue heat/stresses would cause the barrel to potentially deform (basic science’y stuff).

If rounds are fired, it causes heat and stress on gun.
If you fire the gun even faster, you’re putting more stress on the gun and increase the heat since the gun isn’t cooling down (even if momentarily) between rounds?

So, the end result would be a gun that is less reliable, more likely to be damaged, and might be rendered unusable because of rifle droop or other damage?

Is that correct?

Sort of. The mock AR-15s, if built to the original -15 (semi-auto) spec should be able to sustain reasonable auto rates of fire, since that weapon is built to be a select-fire as the M-16. God knows what quality the many AR-15 knockoff manufacturers actually build to.

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sagehen  Oct 5, 2017 • 9:56:10am

OT about new TV shows:

Has anybody watched “The Brave” or “Seal Team”? (and am I the only one creeped out that instead of a bunch of new doctor shows or cop shows or lawyer shows this year there are 3 new soldier shows? “Valor” starts in a couple of week…)

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danarchy  Oct 5, 2017 • 9:56:49am

re: #414 lawhawk

Caveat: I don’t own firearms, and have never fired a live round.

Bump stock is meant to override the need to press trigger each time. It’s my understanding that firearms are designed to fire X rounds per second, and that exceeding that would potentially damage the barrel or other mechanisms since undue heat/stresses would cause the barrel to potentially deform (basic science’y stuff).

If rounds are fired, it causes heat and stress on gun.
If you fire the gun even faster, you’re putting more stress on the gun and increase the heat since the gun isn’t cooling down (even if momentarily) between rounds?

So, the end result would be a gun that is less reliable, more likely to be damaged, and might be rendered unusable because of rifle droop or other damage?

Is that correct?

The bump stock doesn’t override the need to pull the trigger every time, it just uses the recoil to facilitate pulling the trigger really really fast. So maybe it risks damaging the trigger mechanism.

As for the overheating problem, since the civilian models are essentially the same as the military alternatives but with with a different action, overheating isn’t likely to be any more of an issue than it is on the actual full autos.

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Interesting Times  Oct 5, 2017 • 9:57:28am

re: #412 HappyWarrior

Ouch, I can’t bring myself to even watch this ad now - is it really as horrible as the comments suggest? You’re in a better position to know, being in VA and all…

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lawhawk  Oct 5, 2017 • 9:57:56am

Thanks for the clarifications re: bump stocks and what it does to the firearms.

Appreciated.

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rhuarc  Oct 5, 2017 • 9:58:52am

re: #418 sagehen

OT about new TV shows:

Has anybody watched “The Brave” or “Seal Team”? (and am I the only one creeped out that instead of a bunch of new doctor shows or cop shows or lawyer shows this year there are 3 new soldier shows? “Valor” starts in a couple of week…)

I thought Seal Team was not that good. Very disjointed and kind of uninteresting honestly. I’ll probably give it one more episode before deciding to keep watching or dumping.

I did enjoy The Brave. Thought the pacing was better as well as just the overall general production. I’ll probably keep watching this one.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 9:59:45am

re: #420 Interesting Times

Ouch, I can’t bring myself to even watch this ad now - is it really as horrible as the comments suggest? You’re in a better position to know, being in VA and all…

[Embedded content]

Eh I don’t think it’s so bad. He’s right about Gillespie too. I still wish we had nominated Perriello though.

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freetoken  Oct 5, 2017 • 9:59:55am

re: #420 Interesting Times

I watched the ad. It’s a political ad. I find it neither horrible nor inspiring.

Maybe it’s too milquetoast?

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Alephnaught  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:00:36am

re: #132 Dr Lizardo

I do wonder if Russia had anything substantial to do with the recent Catalonian independence matter? I know Catalan independence has been in issue for quite awhile, but I’m sure that the possibility of breaking up an EU member state of long standing would be far too tempting for the Russians…….

The strange thing is that in the Scottish Indyref, if the Russians were interfering at all, they appeared to be doing so in favour of the remain side. (That episode with a Russian jet buzzing Scottish airspace as the campaign entered the final stretch comes to mind.) Of course the Brexit vote would be coming not long after, so if one wanted to be a conspiracy theorist, one could theorise that the Russians would calculate that it would be more destabilising to the UK if Scotland voted to remain in the UK, and then the UK votes for Brexit, given that it was pretty well known that Scotland wouldn’t vote for it.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:01:13am

re: #424 freetoken

I watched the ad. It’s a political ad. I find it neither horrible nor inspiring.

Maybe it’s too milquetoast?

It’s very meh. Ralph could do better IMO. To be honest, Gillespie’s tougher than he should be but you can’t underestimate how much money he has with his connections to the GOP establishment and money really means something in the post CU world.

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makeitstop  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:02:20am

re: #414 lawhawk

Caveat: I don’t own firearms, and have never fired a live round.

Bump stock is meant to override the need to press trigger each time. It’s my understanding that firearms are designed to fire X rounds per second, and that exceeding that would potentially damage the barrel or other mechanisms since undue heat/stresses would cause the barrel to potentially deform (basic science’y stuff).

If rounds are fired, it causes heat and stress on gun.
If you fire the gun even faster, you’re putting more stress on the gun and increase the heat since the gun isn’t cooling down (even if momentarily) between rounds?

So, the end result would be a gun that is less reliable, more likely to be damaged, and might be rendered unusable because of rifle droop or other damage?

Is that correct?

Less reliable and less accurate. As has been pointed out here, using a bump stock gives up a fair amount of accuracy due to the movement of the gun itself. That didn’t matter to Paddock, because he wasn’t aiming at one person at a time, he was just shooting into a general area filled with people, so he was bond to hit a lot of people just by spraying the area with fire.

But back to the heating problem - Shiplord Korel mentioned yesterday that the guns would overheat pretty quickly. That’s why Paddock had multiple rifles with bump stocks - he rotated through them in order to let them cool down somewhat.

As for the gun humpers who are buying up bump stocks - fuck ‘em, let them destroy their precious rifles by burning them up. Serves ‘em right.

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Interesting Times  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:02:56am

re: #424 freetoken

I watched the ad. It’s a political ad. I find it neither horrible nor inspiring.

Maybe it’s too milquetoast?

That’s exactly what commenters are panning it for:

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:03:03am

Virginia is still very much a purple state despite it bucking Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:04:26am

re: #428 Interesting Times

That’s exactly want commenters are panning it for:

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It’s too bad because HE is a good Democrat and public servant. But you have to remember Gillespie nearly beat the very popular Mark Warner only a few years ago too.

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makeitstop  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:05:09am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:06:21am

re: #431 makeitstop

I knew this was coming.

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Skip Intro  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:06:26am
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Belafon  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:06:30am

re: #414 lawhawk

Caveat: I don’t own firearms, and have never fired a live round.

Bump stock is meant to override the need to press trigger each time. It’s my understanding that firearms are designed to fire X rounds per second, and that exceeding that would potentially damage the barrel or other mechanisms since undue heat/stresses would cause the barrel to potentially deform (basic science’y stuff).

If rounds are fired, it causes heat and stress on gun.
If you fire the gun even faster, you’re putting more stress on the gun and increase the heat since the gun isn’t cooling down (even if momentarily) between rounds?

So, the end result would be a gun that is less reliable, more likely to be damaged, and might be rendered unusable because of rifle droop or other damage?

Is that correct?

I don’t want to click on links at work, but if you google “bump stock overheating” they talk about various things overheating such as gas ports and glass tubes. I’m not sure what is glass in a gun like that. I read something yesterday somewhere, maybe here, that talked about that was why he had so many guns, because he could only shoot one for a little bit, and then had to switch to a different gun to let it cool.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:06:54am

re: #431 makeitstop

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This whole thing makes me so sick.

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:07:33am

re: #420 Interesting Times

Is he a Democrat or a Republican? I honestly don’t know, but if you are a candidate, and your ads are vague as to your party affiliation, I won’t vote for you. You are jerking me off with my pants on.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:07:37am

re: #432 Eclectic Cyborg

I knew this was coming.

Between this and the revelations about Donny Jr and Ivanka yesterday, the Trump family needs to go to jail for a long time. Tiffany and Barron may be the only decent human beings in that clan.

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:08:14am

re: #433 Skip Intro

Lol, can I play through!?!

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makeitstop  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:08:55am

re: #435 HappyWarrior

This whole thing makes me so sick.

Me, too, little brother.

The full weight of American law enforcement better land hard on those who did this and everyone who helped introduce the Russians to the traitors (looking hard at you, Dana Rohrabacher).

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:09:56am

re: #439 makeitstop

Me, too, little brother.

The full weight of American law enforcement better land hard on those who did this and everyone who helped introduce the Russians to the traitors (looking hard at you, Dana Rohrabacher).

Yep. This honestly is the worst political scandal of my life time. These people sold us fucking out and it may well happen again.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:16:45am

re: #437 HappyWarrior

Between this and the revelations about Donny Jr and Ivanka yesterday, the Trump family needs to go to jail for a long time. Tiffany and Barron may be the only decent human beings in that clan.

I hope Mueller looks into that condo scam Ivanka and Don Jr. were pulling, since of course Russians were involved in that as well.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:17:25am

re: #441 Big Beautiful Door

I hope Mueller looks into that condo scam Ivanka and Don Jr. were pulling, since of course Russians were involved in that as well.

But their e-mails?!?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:18:42am

re: #441 Big Beautiful Door

I hope Mueller looks into that condo scam Ivanka and Don Jr. were pulling, since of course Russians were involved in that as well.

Definitely.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:19:38am

I’d be wondering about Russian connections to other GOP politicians and right wing figures too.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:19:38am

re: #421 lawhawk

Thanks for the clarifications re: bump stocks and what it does to the firearms.

Appreciated.

It’s a flywheel device for a weapon. Recoil drives the wheel. Wheel pulls the trigger. Around ya go.

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Kragar  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:23:59am
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Stanley Sea  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:24:12am
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jaunte  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:24:22am
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Stanley Sea  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:24:46am

I’m so busy with work I’m just scrolling by all your great comments.

#SAD

Sorry if posted.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:27:39am

re: #446 Kragar

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Way to say thanks Steve.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:28:50am

re: #448 jaunte

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It’s idiotic.

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dangerman  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:29:32am

re: #447 Stanley Sea

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doesnt mean people cant make their own personal decisions about safety
constitushun!

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jaunte  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:29:54am

re: #451 HappyWarrior

It’s hard to negotiate with people whose fundamental argument is completely disconnected from reality.

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jaunte  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:31:13am
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:31:41am

re: #79 JordanRules

The wedding we went to in the UK in July was at St Albans Cathedral which was absolutely gorgeous.

I really should dig through some more of the photos from it.

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Birth Control Works  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:31:54am

I am awake and on my first cuppa.

What new mayhem or disaster did I miss?

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:33:38am

So I had this happen at my work today. Dammit no overtime.

Cohoes Waterford Bridge Pier Implosion

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:34:40am
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danarchy  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:34:45am

re: #421 lawhawk

Thanks for the clarifications re: bump stocks and what it does to the firearms.

Appreciated.

Bump stocks make it easier to bump fire, but are not required. You can bump fire most any semi-automatic weapon including pistols without any sort of modification.

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Birth Control Works  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:36:19am
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Dr. Matt  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:36:32am

re: #459 danarchy

Bump stocks make it easier to bump fire, but are not required. You can bump fire most any semi-automatic weapon including pistols without any sort of modification.

YouTube

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Birth Control Works  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:37:06am

re: #458 Shropshire Slasher

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Video

You know, planned destruction by experts is so much more cool than the pre-meditated violence of Whackos.

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jaunte  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:37:29am

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Birth Control Works  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:37:37am
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Bubblehead II  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:37:44am

Good. Now ban the damn things along with these.

As Bump Stock Demand Surges, Retailers Remove the Product From Websites

Walmart took down listings for bump stocks on its website this week. The company said in a statement that the products never should have been sold on its site, that they were sold by third-party sellers, and they were “immediately removed” because they violated the company’s prohibited items policy.

Cabela’s, the outdoor retailer, also took bump stocks off their website this week. The company, recently purchased by rival Bass Pro Shops, did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

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Birth Control Works  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:38:17am
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Birth Control Works  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:38:49am
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dangerman  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:39:11am

re: #453 jaunte

It’s hard to negotiate with people whose fundamental argument is completely disconnected from reality.

theyre not negotiating
for them to “negotiate” would be to lose something

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Birth Control Works  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:39:29am
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Romantic Heretic  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:39:35am

re: #385 dangerman

I’m increasingly of the opinion that the RWNJs are tribal members and so not really individuals at all.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:40:10am

re: #464 Birth Control Works

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Okay, A) that’s not what the intel committee does, B) you get your news from Fox, and C) you’re a fucking moron as Tillerson said.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:40:48am

re: #469 Birth Control Works

Roy Moore Campaign Claims His Nonprofit Group’s Public Tax Filings Were ‘Fabricated’

proof of DT’s claims about fake news! get those SOBs outta here!

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Birth Control Works  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:40:57am

1. “Make America great again.”

I can’t even …

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Kragar  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:41:04am
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jaunte  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:42:29am

re: #474 Kragar

Next he’ll explain why the KKK are leftist Democrats.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:43:26am

re: #474 Kragar

The term Nazi is a compression of the terms ” National” and “Socialist” (Sozialismus)—hence all Nazis are by definition on the Left

Left and Right are arbitrary designations based on the seating arrangement of the French parliament of the XIXth century. They are at best descriptive terms, certainly not determinative.

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jaunte  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:43:27am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:44:27am

re: #477 jaunte

Liberals need to be honest about what they really want when debating gun control.

Yes, we want to reclaim and re-interpret the FIRST clause of the 2nd Amendment, the one about a “well-regulated militia”.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:45:11am

re: #453 jaunte

It’s hard to negotiate with people whose fundamental argument is completely disconnected from reality.

Good article on Slate about how the NRA nurtured these fantasies.

slate.com

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:45:24am

re: #477 jaunte

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Yeah I want less guns in the hands of people like the asshole who shot up the concert. You totally got me Federalist.//

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jaunte  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:46:55am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:47:12am

We somehow survived eight years of Obama’s massive and repeated assaults on the 2nd Amendment, and only Trump’s election prevented Hillary from revoking the 2nd A and confiscating all our weapons.

/

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:47:56am

re: #475 jaunte

Next he’ll explain why the KKK are leftist Democrats.

He believes that too.

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dangerman  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:49:07am

re: #476 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Left and Right are arbitrary designations based on the seating arrangement of the French parliament of the XIXth century. They are at best descriptive terms, certainly not determinative.

ask em why the constitution made republicans red and democrats blue ;-)

and was it always that way?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:51:00am

re: #484 dangerman

ask em why the constitution made republicans red and democrats blue ;-)

and was it always that way?

that confuses the heck out of brits & other europeans, for whom red is always socialist/communist and blue is for the Tories

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makeitstop  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:52:09am

re: #457 Shropshire Slasher

So I had this happen at my work today. Dammit no overtime.

We had one in NYC this week - the implosion of the remains of the hated Kosciuszko Bridge. (I hated it, anyway.)

Former Kosciuszko Bridge brought down in controlled demolition

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steve_davis  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:52:37am

re: #14 FormerDirtDart

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seriously? Another one of these that is tracking so as to go through a QuickTrip two miles southeast of here? Maybe their cigarettes are cheaper, or something.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:52:48am

re: #418 sagehen

OT about new TV shows:

Has anybody watched “The Brave” or “Seal Team”? (and am I the only one creeped out that instead of a bunch of new doctor shows or cop shows or lawyer shows this year there are 3 new soldier shows? “Valor” starts in a couple of week…)

Crap.
You reminded me, I have to watch the SEAL Team pilot, a friends youngest is in it, playing one of the SEAL’s daughter.
Plus, I have to re-watch Ant Man. She’s in that somewhere, likely the daughter’s birthday party.

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Birth Control Works  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:55:40am

re: #479 Big Beautiful Door

Good article on Slate about how the NRA nurtured these fantasies.

slate.com

Still, hunting isn’t pure fantasy: You shoot a pheasant or a deer, and you eat it. But over the past few decades, Americans have lost their taste for hunting. Only 15 percent of us now say we ever hunt, less than half as many as in the 1970s. In any given year, maybe a third of those hunters among us, 5 percent of Americans, actually slog through fields and forests with rifles and shotguns.

wow!

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Charles Johnson  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:56:26am

Nancy Sinatra tweeted that the leaders of the NRA should face a firing squad. The right went completely nuts, of course. And then…

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jaunte  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:56:50am
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Sir John Barron  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:57:16am

re: #490 Charles Johnson

Nancy Sinatra tweeted that the leaders of the NRA should face a firing squad. The right went completely nuts, of course. And then…

Oh, Instapundit has thoughts to share.

/

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dangerman  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:57:48am

Russian Hackers Stole NSA Data on US Cyberdefense

“Hackers working for the Russian government stole details of how the U.S. penetrates foreign computer networks and defends against cyberattacks after a National Security Agency contractor removed the highly classified material and put it on his home computer,” the Wall Street Journal reports.

“The hackers appear to have targeted the contractor after identifying the files through the contractor’s use of a popular antivirus software made by Russia-based Kaspersky Lab.

bold mine

this was not necessarily great spying
it took a stupid action on top of stupid decision

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:58:33am

re: #490 Charles Johnson

Nancy Sinatra tweeted that the leaders of the NRA should face a firing squad. The right went completely nuts, of course. And then…

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Yeah I don’t like what Nancy said but IP is a hypocrite as are the others who want protesters ran over.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:59:23am

re: #491 jaunte

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That should stand out.

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jaunte  Oct 5, 2017 • 10:59:46am

re: #495 HappyWarrior

Seems unusual.

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jaunte  Oct 5, 2017 • 11:00:48am

Rugged Texas Individualists Extend Grubby Paws For Federal Money.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 5, 2017 • 11:03:22am

re: #494 HappyWarrior

Yeah I don’t like what Nancy said but IP is a hypocrite as are the others who want protesters ran over.

Remember, Instapundit and the NRA are the real victims here.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 11:03:46am

re: #498 Sir John Barron

Remember, Instapundit is the victim here.

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Ha true.

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BeachDem  Oct 5, 2017 • 11:03:56am

re: #428 Interesting Times

That’s exactly what commenters are panning it for:

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They should hire the people who did Archie Parnell’s Matador/House of Cards spot. He’s an old, white guy, but it wasn’t boring. (He didn’t win, but he sure came close!) Politico called his the best campaign of 2017.

Archie Parnell: A Matador For You (HOC)

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Kragar  Oct 5, 2017 • 11:06:24am
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Birth Control Works  Oct 5, 2017 • 11:07:41am

re: #477 jaunte

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zero-sum game theory>

All issues are surgically cut between the good guys and the bad guys.

I hate this type of thinking.

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jaunte  Oct 5, 2017 • 11:10:34am

Interesting. Not really a problem for responsible people who want to go hunting, but the process of acquiring a gun and ammunition in Japan would really weed out the unstable people.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 5, 2017 • 11:11:16am

re: #501 Kragar

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Lots of heroes there that night. Love the owner’s response. Nice to know there are decent people out there who still value humanity over property.

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electrotek  Oct 5, 2017 • 11:14:12am

re: #503 jaunte

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Interesting. Not really a problem for responsible people who want to go hunting, but the process of acquiring a gun and ammunition in Japan would really weed out the unstable people.

Can you imagine if the Akihabara truck driver had a gun with him instead of a knife after he ran over people back in 2008?

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EPR-radar  Oct 5, 2017 • 11:15:00am

re: #476 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Left and Right are arbitrary designations based on the seating arrangement of the French parliament of the XIXth century. They are at best descriptive terms, certainly not determinative.

But updated appropriately, the association of the left with a range of views from reformers to revolutionaries and the association of the right with a range of views from conserving established institutions to aristocracy/monarchy remains a useful shorthand.

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EPR-radar  Oct 5, 2017 • 11:17:30am

re: #478 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Yes, we want to reclaim and re-interpret the FIRST clause of the 2nd Amendment, the one about a “well-regulated militia”.

I just re-read Heller, and Scalia’s audacity is breathtaking. That opinion amounts to “The militia clause of the second amendment is a pain in the ass, so we’ll just totally ignore it to get to the conclusion we want.”

This from the supposed great textualist and originalist of Constitutional Law.

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TedStriker  Oct 5, 2017 • 11:18:48am

One of my state’s Representatives, who now wants to move to the Senate to do more damage:

Rep. Marsha Blackburn (R-TN) announced on Thursday that she will be running for the Senate seat being vacated by retiring Sen. Bob Corker (R-TN).

In touting her conservative credentials, Blackburn said she was proud to be described by her opponents as a “knuckle-dragging wingnut.”

rawstory.com

Good God…

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 5, 2017 • 11:19:52am

re: #503 jaunte

Would it have stopped the Vegas shooter?

Also, I can only fire one gun at a time, so the point of buying multiple guns is moot.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 5, 2017 • 11:19:52am
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 5, 2017 • 11:21:45am

re: #509 Shropshire Slasher

Would it have stopped the Vegas shooter?

Also, I can only fire one gun at a time, so the point of buying multiple guns is moot.

Does it have to have stopped this specific crime to be worth considering? How many deaths would a measure need to prevent before you think it’s worthwhile?

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Birth Control Works  Oct 5, 2017 • 11:21:50am

re: #508 TedStriker

One of my state’s Representatives. who now wants to move to the Senate to do more damage:

rawstory.com

Good God…

blech!

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TedStriker  Oct 5, 2017 • 11:21:53am
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VegasGolfer  Oct 5, 2017 • 11:22:08am

re: #510 FormerDirtDart

Notice they didn’t say ban them.

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TedStriker  Oct 5, 2017 • 11:22:10am

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Interesting Times  Oct 5, 2017 • 11:22:59am

re: #509 Shropshire Slasher

Would it have stopped the Vegas shooter?

Also, I can only fire one gun at a time, so the point of buying multiple guns is moot.

From someone in a position to know:

Firing a 100 round magazine non-stop through an AR-15 will cause the gas tube to glow cherry red and start to melt. Continuous 30 round bursts will make the gun so hot it will malfunction in short order. It takes much longer for the gun to cool than it does to fire the magazine. That is the likely reason the Vegas shooter had a dozen rifles. He was alternating them while they cooled.

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EPR-radar  Oct 5, 2017 • 11:23:16am

re: #509 Shropshire Slasher

Would it have stopped the Vegas shooter?

Also, I can only fire one gun at a time, so the point of buying multiple guns is moot.

“Would it have stopped the shooter of specific incident X?” is categorically the wrong question to ask. The correct question to ask about proposed gun reforms is “does reform Y have a reasonable chance of reducing gun deaths and injuries?”

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 5, 2017 • 11:23:44am

I mean, I know I should just ignore the troll but really.

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jaunte  Oct 5, 2017 • 11:23:51am

re: #509 Shropshire Slasher

Would it have stopped the Vegas shooter?

Yes.

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Birth Control Works  Oct 5, 2017 • 11:24:34am

re: #516 Interesting Times

From someone in a position to know:

What would have stopped the Las Vegas Shooter?

Friends and Family.

The shooting community needs to step-up and police itself. If there is a concern —even a hint of illness or instability, take their guns away, or report to law enforcement your concerns.

Family, especially has much power with individuals in this regard.

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 5, 2017 • 11:24:42am

re: #519 jaunte

No, it wouldn’t have.

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jaunte  Oct 5, 2017 • 11:24:59am

re: #521 Shropshire Slasher

Yes it would.

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EPR-radar  Oct 5, 2017 • 11:25:13am

re: #518 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I mean, I know I should just ignore the troll but really.

I view responses to trolls as a chance to persuade lurkers, especially for superficially plausible troll talking points.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 5, 2017 • 11:25:29am

re: #513 TedStriker

And blaming President Obama for bump stocks being legal; it’s a two-fer.

The nefarious & scheming Obama allowed bump stocks so someone would wind up using them in a mass shooting which would then allow him or Hillary to confiscate our weapons…

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plansbandc  Oct 5, 2017 • 11:25:42am

Baroque Obama

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Birth Control Works  Oct 5, 2017 • 11:25:54am

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Belafon  Oct 5, 2017 • 11:26:25am

re: #507 EPR-radar

I just re-read Heller, and Scalia’s audacity is breathtaking. That opinion amounts to “The militia clause of the second amendment is a pain in the ass, so we’ll just totally ignore it to get to the conclusion we want.”

This from the supposed great textualist and originalist of Constitutional Law.

That’s the definition of origialism: Know what you want for an outcome, find an explanation, ignoring anything contradictory.

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EPR-radar  Oct 5, 2017 • 11:26:37am

re: #510 FormerDirtDart

The NRA is such collection of loathsome rotting scumbags.

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Birth Control Works  Oct 5, 2017 • 11:27:35am

from my fb two years ago, decided to retwit:

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Belafon  Oct 5, 2017 • 11:27:49am

re: #509 Shropshire Slasher

Would it have stopped the Vegas shooter?

Also, I can only fire one gun at a time, so the point of buying multiple guns is moot.

It would have significantly slowed him down. And yes, you can only fire one at a time, but if you pile them up, preloaded, you can run through them in succession before anyone gets to you.

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EPR-radar  Oct 5, 2017 • 11:28:45am

re: #527 Belafon

That’s the definition of origialism: Know what you want for an outcome, find an explanation, ignoring anything contradictory.

I still like the way I phrased it a while back, which was something like this: Originalism consists of a present day jurist projecting his biases onto the founders to see if they agree with him — there is no recorded case of this quest failing.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 5, 2017 • 11:28:55am

First they came for the Bump-stocks, and I did not speak out….

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 5, 2017 • 11:29:00am
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Birth Control Works  Oct 5, 2017 • 11:29:05am

We can write all the laws we want. If we don’t fund, train and enforce they are meaningless.

People can and will create any firearm they wish. They don’t have to buy it.

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Belafon  Oct 5, 2017 • 11:29:55am

re: #520 Birth Control Works

What would have stopped the Las Vegas Shooter?

Friends and Family.

The shooting community needs to step-up and police itself. If there is a concern —even a hint of illness or instability, take their guns away, or report to law enforcement your concerns.

Family, especially has much power with individuals in this regard.

As I’ve said before, my grandfather would have taken guns away from people if they acted back then the way they do now.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 5, 2017 • 11:31:02am

re: #533 Shropshire Slasher

This is a shitty reply. Please type up the point you are actually trying to make, using quotes from the articles to do so if you think they support your point.

Just linking a bunch of shit, a majority of which is behind paywalls, is lazy as fuck. I’d say you should be ashamed but I have no reason to think you capable of that.

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Belafon  Oct 5, 2017 • 11:31:16am

re: #534 Birth Control Works

We can write all the laws we want. If we don’t fund, train and enforce they are meaningless.

People can and will create any firearm they wish. They don’t have to buy it.

Most people won’t make them. A lot of people who might otherwise make something won’t because the law says it’s illegal. A good portion of those that will anyway will be injured by their own creation.

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Birth Control Works  Oct 5, 2017 • 11:32:31am

re: #535 Belafon

As I’ve said before, my grandfather would have taken guns away from people if they acted back then the way they do now.

It happens in my family.

My dad voluntarily gave-up his firearms when his vision weakened.

Education is the difference—no?

respect for the weapon

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EPR-radar  Oct 5, 2017 • 11:33:43am

re: #535 Belafon

As I’ve said before, my grandfather would have taken guns away from people if they acted back then the way they do now.

If guns everywhere make everything better, then why doesn’t the NRA allow people to carry as they please at its conventions etc?

The answer of course is that the NRA is not that stupid. The point that the venue owners force gun-free zones on the NRA for its events is just bullshit.

By its own rhetoric, a gun free zone is just a killing zone to the NRA, so it really is remarkable that all their events are precisely such killing zones.

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electrotek  Oct 5, 2017 • 11:34:08am

Repeal the Second Amendment

By a conservative Bret Stephens nonetheless.

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jaunte  Oct 5, 2017 • 11:34:51am

re: #540 EPR-radar

They lie. Their only goal is to expand the marketplace for arms and ammunition.

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EPR-radar  Oct 5, 2017 • 11:35:38am

re: #536 klys (maker of Silmarils)

This is a shitty reply. Please type up the point you are actually trying to make, using quotes from the articles to do so if you think they support your point.

Just linking a bunch of shit, a majority of which is behind paywalls, is lazy as fuck. I’d say you should be ashamed but I have no reason to think you capable of that.

I was wondering when the credibility building exercises would end and we’d see a return to form.

One of the innumerable problems of US conservatives is an inability to form long term memories, so perhaps they assume everyone else is similarly afflicted.

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Kragar  Oct 5, 2017 • 11:36:17am
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Birth Control Works  Oct 5, 2017 • 11:39:11am

from my fb friend:

I’m-MEDIAte response:

I have no aversion to the media…
It’s like the social nervous system that has become so efficient at reporting more itches than we can scratch, causing society to continuously scratch until the epidemic of epidermis removal is reached, leaving us exposed to infection…

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 5, 2017 • 11:43:57am

re: #543 EPR-radar

I was wondering when the credibility building exercises would end and we’d see a return to form.

One of the innumerable problems of US conservatives is an inability to form long term memories, so perhaps they assume everyone else is similarly afflicted.

I expect a display name change in a few days followed by the next round.

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CleverToad  Oct 5, 2017 • 8:06:12pm

re: #321 Le Coquí Résistance

Sorry for the late reply. I’m trying to find new internet hotspots.

Thank you! {{{CleverToad}}}

The toughest problem right now is distribution. I live on the West coast, and most stores open and close depending on the inventory they have. It’s jaw-dropping seeing fast food stores closing for a couple of days. Aid has faced the same problems. It’s getting easier tho.

Hospitals outside the metro area have been in critical state, because they aren’t getting diesel, medicines, and other help. Even the state government seems to be ignoring them, because some has been asking on AM stations for the Secretary of Health to contact them, despite said Secretary having been to the west the day before.

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Stay in touch, as the hotspots allow!

What you’re reporting about the hospitals is heartbreaking and infuriating. Hope they’re able to get what is needed, and soon.

I’ll keep nagging my congressmen every day, to remind them both immediate aid and long term rebuilding will be needed. Keeping fingers crossed that you folks don’t get more storms coming through.


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