Now We Know Why Tillerson Called Trump a “Moron” - He Wanted to Increase the US Nuclear Arsenal Tenfold

At a meeting between Donald Trump and top-ranking defense and national security officials in July, somebody made the mistake of displaying a chart that showed other presidents had more nuclear weapons than the Narcissist in Chief, prompting the Trump-thing to blurt that he wanted ten times as many nuclear weapons as he already commands.

WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump said he wanted what amounted to a nearly tenfold increase in the U.S. nuclear arsenal during a gathering this past summer of the nation’s highest-ranking national security leaders, according to three officials who were in the room.

Trump’s comments, the officials said, came in response to a briefing slide he was shown that charted the steady reduction of U.S. nuclear weapons since the late 1960s. Trump indicated he wanted a bigger stockpile, not the bottom position on that downward-sloping curve.

According to the officials present, Trump’s advisers, among them the Joint Chiefs of Staff and Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, were surprised. Officials briefly explained the legal and practical impediments to a nuclear buildup and how the current military posture is stronger than it was at the height of the buildup. In interviews, they told NBC News that no such expansion is planned.

The moral of this story: never show Trump evidence that someone else has more of something than he does.

And it was after this meeting that several officials heard Rex Tillerson refer to Trump as “a fucking moron.” Now we know the rest of the story.

A nuclear buildup like Trump wanted would violate several arms treaties and risk provoking a worldwide nuclear arms race, but we can’t expect our current president to consider things like this when his gargantuan ego is involved.

Of course, when Trump became dimly aware that he’d been embarrassed again, he lashed out at NBC News.

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404 comments

1
HappyWarrior  Oct 11, 2017 • 11:21:44am

He is so unstable that I really worry that he’ll get us all killed.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 11, 2017 • 11:22:17am

Temfold nukes? JFC

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Oct 11, 2017 • 11:23:13am

“I love the bomb but it’s a strange love.”

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JordanRules  Oct 11, 2017 • 11:23:35am

So Rex gone this Friday then?

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Decatur Deb  Oct 11, 2017 • 11:24:04am

If there were any military use for that many nukes, we would have built them in the free-spending Cold War days. Nobody ever wanted that many nukes.

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Oct 11, 2017 • 11:24:59am

re: #4 JordanRules

So Rex gone this Friday then?

I’m not taking that sucker bet.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 11, 2017 • 11:25:18am
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Dr. Matt  Oct 11, 2017 • 11:25:22am

Anti-science/anti-reality bullshit from THIS asshole….

Tea Party governor warns of marijuana ‘overdoses’ if Kentucky legalizes recreational pot

Kentucky Gov. Matt Bevin told a talk radio station this week that he would never allow recreational marijuana to be legalized in his state because he worried about people overdosing on pot.

Local news station WKYT reports that Bevin, a favorite of the Tea Party movement, told WHAS radio personality Terry Miniers that he had heard horror stories of marijuana overdoses in Colorado, which first voted to legalize pot in 2012.

Jason Riley, a reporter for WDRB, reports that Bevin specifically expressed concern about marijuana baked into edibles, such as brownies and cookies, as a primary means of overdosing.

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jaunte  Oct 11, 2017 • 11:26:37am

re: #5 Decatur Deb

Trump’s insane. Whatever the pile is, he wants the biggest one.

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JordanRules  Oct 11, 2017 • 11:26:44am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 11, 2017 • 11:26:57am

re: #8 Dr. Matt

Anti-science/anti-reality bullshit from THIS asshole….

Tea Party governor warns of marijuana ‘overdoses’ if Kentucky legalizes recreational pot

What a dolt.

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jaunte  Oct 11, 2017 • 11:27:34am

The greedy assholes keep on coming.

“…privately, Moore had arranged to receive a salary of $180,000 a year for part-time work at the Foundation for Moral Law, internal charity documents show. He collected more than $1 million as president from 2007 to 2012, compensation that far surpassed what the group disclosed in its public tax filings most of those years.

When the charity couldn’t afford the full amount, Moore in 2012 was given a promissory note for back pay eventually worth $540,000 or an equal stake of the charity’s most valuable asset, a historic building in Montgomery, Ala., mortgage records show. He holds that note even now, a charity official said.

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ObserverArt  Oct 11, 2017 • 11:27:41am

Do these new nukes also need to be painted in gold leaf paint that has some real 24kt flakes in it?

Another thought…how many times is he going to call wolf (fake news) before even his own supporters grow tired of it?

Fucker is in a rut with his well-worn talking points. Limited vocabulary with an extremely limited brain.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 11, 2017 • 11:28:02am

re: #9 jaunte

Trump’s insane. Whatever the pile is, he wants the biggest one.

I wish him the biggest piles, piles so big he’ll be sick of piles.

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wrenchwench  Oct 11, 2017 • 11:28:34am

re: #8 Dr. Matt

Anti-science/anti-reality bullshit from THIS asshole….

Tea Party governor warns of marijuana ‘overdoses’ if Kentucky legalizes recreational pot

…Jason Riley, a reporter for WDRB, reports that Bevin specifically expressed concern about marijuana baked into edibles, such as brownies and cookies, as a primary means of overdosing.

He’s in on the war on obesity.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 11, 2017 • 11:28:43am

re: #12 jaunte

The greedy assholes keep on coming.

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Hopefully Jones pounces on this. Moore’s son being a crook is irrelevant compared to this.

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Oct 11, 2017 • 11:30:01am

re: #14 Decatur Deb

I wish him the biggest piles, piles so big he’ll be sick of piles.

Can we have a caravan of dump trucks from various cattle businesses just dump a crapload on the front lawn?

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jaunte  Oct 11, 2017 • 11:30:49am

The Foundation For Moral Law sounds just like The Committee for the Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice.

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plansbandc  Oct 11, 2017 • 11:31:07am

This is just cool.

Line Rider - Mountain King

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HappyWarrior  Oct 11, 2017 • 11:32:23am

re: #18 jaunte

The Foundation For Moral Law sounds just like The Committee for the Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice.

Sharia by another name.

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Sionainn, the Nasty Devilbitch  Oct 11, 2017 • 11:33:50am

re: #19 plansbandc

Mesmerizing!

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I cannot.  Oct 11, 2017 • 11:33:59am

re: #8 Dr. Matt

Has anyone EVER died of marijuana overdosing? Much less edibles…

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Sir John Barron  Oct 11, 2017 • 11:34:40am

re: #7 The Vicious Babushka

.@POTUS: “We won’t need an increase” in nuclear arsenal. pic.twitter.com

— Fox News

RINO.

/

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MsJ  Oct 11, 2017 • 11:35:09am

re: #12 jaunte

The greedy assholes keep on coming.

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Well, that should flip the election in his favor. Since republicans seem to love the grifting, greedy, unethical peeps as their elected officials, as long as they scream Jesus! the loudest.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 11, 2017 • 11:35:12am

TS Ophelia seems to be heading towards Ireland. It will reach hurricane force, but fall back in cooler water.

nhc.noaa.gov

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HappyWarrior  Oct 11, 2017 • 11:35:12am

I’d love to ask Moore about his parenting skills.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 11, 2017 • 11:35:17am

re: #20 HappyWarrior

Sharia by another name.

Completely different because ____, ______, and _________.

/

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HappyWarrior  Oct 11, 2017 • 11:35:57am

re: #27 Sir John Barron

Completely different because ____, ______, and _________.

/

Jesus, Christianity, and Merica?

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CongoJack  Oct 11, 2017 • 11:36:56am

re: #22 I cannot.

Never.

As a Colorado resident I can attest …. possibly even first hand… no. You would have to eat so much that you would just zone out and fall asleep. You’d sleep great and wake up ready to go.

If you smoked it - it would have to be twice your body weight (if memory serves) to reach that point - and that ain’t gonna happen.

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jaunte  Oct 11, 2017 • 11:38:03am

re: #28 HappyWarrior

“One Way”

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jaunte  Oct 11, 2017 • 11:38:47am

Sociologists absolutely dragging Chief Justice Roberts.

“We are certain that the social scientists and legal scholars at your alma mater would be disappointed to learn that you attributed your lack of understanding of social science to your Harvard education.”

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ObserverArt  Oct 11, 2017 • 11:39:49am

re: #19 plansbandc

This is just cool.

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Video

That was fun.

I went to YouTube to see if there was credit given as to what orchestra and director recorded the soundtrack and when. I was wondering if he used the track from Fantasia/Disney.

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EPR-radar  Oct 11, 2017 • 11:40:17am

It’s completely obvious why t**** wants more nukes.

More nukes can get t**** hard when nothing else will get the job done.

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ObserverArt  Oct 11, 2017 • 11:42:07am

re: #22 I cannot.

Has anyone EVER died of marijuana overdosing? Much less edibles…

Maureen Dowd.

Oh wait, she was already dead…as a writer.

I have heard of people freaking out that never smoked herb and went straight to some edibles and making eating too much for their first go-round.

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MsJ  Oct 11, 2017 • 11:42:35am

re: #31 jaunte

Sociologists absolutely dragging Chief Justice Roberts.

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What did I miss from last week? What’s the gobblygookgate?

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EPR-radar  Oct 11, 2017 • 11:43:56am

re: #31 jaunte

John Roberts is as much of a motherfucker as any other oxygen-thieving Republican. He’s just considerably more intelligent than most, and he is also inclined to be relatively stealthy about ruining the country to achieve RWNJ utopia. For this, the MSM mostly slobbers all over him as being some kind of ‘moderate’ or ‘voice of reason’.

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jaunte  Oct 11, 2017 • 11:44:18am

re: #35 MsJ

“Roberts made the comments during the case Gill v. Whitford, which centered on partisan gerrymandering.

He said during the arguments that he was hesitant to remove gerrymandering “away from democracy” and have courts make decisions on the topic based on “sociological gobbledygook,” according to NPR.”

thehill.com

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 11, 2017 • 11:44:39am

re: #12 jaunte

The greedy assholes keep on coming.

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Hope there are more stories in this vein to squeak Doug Jones to victory, though its an uphill battle. How corrupt does a Republican have to be to lose to a Democrat in Alabama?

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 11, 2017 • 11:45:18am

re: #13 ObserverArt

Do these new nukes also need to be painted in gold leaf paint that has some real 24kt flakes in it?

Another thought…how many times is he going to call wolf (fake news) before even his own supporters grow tired of it?

Fucker is in a rut with his well-worn talking points. Limited vocabulary with an extremely limited brain.

His base will never grow tired of it.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 11, 2017 • 11:45:18am

re: #37 jaunte

What an ass.

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MsJ  Oct 11, 2017 • 11:45:35am

re: #37 jaunte

We are so screwed.

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dangerman  Oct 11, 2017 • 11:46:09am

i repeat:

Fake @NBCNews made up a story that I wanted a “tenfold” increase in our U.S. nuclear arsenal. Pure fiction, made up to demean. NBC = CNN!

i never used the word “tenfold”

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Renaissance_Man  Oct 11, 2017 • 11:46:30am

re: #35 MsJ

What did I miss from last week? What’s the gobblygookgate?

The Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, the highest position of justice in the most politically powerful nation in the history of the world, chose to deride social science as unworthy of his time and irrelevant to the central goal of ensuring the failure of democracy.

It was probably not reported on because nobody could find a way yet to blame Hillary Clinton for it.

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danarchy  Oct 11, 2017 • 11:46:35am

re: #22 I cannot.

Has anyone EVER died of marijuana overdosing? Much less edibles…

Edibles are actually more potent than smoking. But aside from one case of a toddler that died of respiratory failure that could not be definitively linked to the THC in his system, there have been a couple of children that required intubation after ingesting marijuana edibles.

There have however been several cases of people who killed other people or animals blaming edibles. I’d take those with a grain of salt though.

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scottslemmons  Oct 11, 2017 • 11:47:25am

Elect me president, and I’ll have partisan Republican judges removed from the courts.

(quiet whisper)… with kniiiiiiiiives…

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jaunte  Oct 11, 2017 • 11:47:53am

“I’m hesitant to remove gerrymandering away from the decisions of GOP officials that were elected due to our carefully calculated gerrymanders.”

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Dr. Matt  Oct 11, 2017 • 11:48:04am

re: #22 I cannot.

Has anyone EVER died of marijuana overdosing? Much less edibles…

If by ‘anyone’ you include rats, then yes:

Inhalation, parenteral and oral LD50 values of Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol in Fischer rats

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Kragar  Oct 11, 2017 • 11:48:23am

For some reason, when I heard about this earlier, I was thinking 10% increase, not 10x increase, and even then I thought it was nuts.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 11, 2017 • 11:49:14am

re: #22 I cannot.

Has anyone EVER died of marijuana overdosing? Much less edibles…

I once waited several minutes for the light to change at a four-way stop (yes I know I shouldn’t have been driving, but what are you going to tell a 17yo…).

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HappyWarrior  Oct 11, 2017 • 11:50:08am

re: #48 Kragar

For some reason, when I heard about this earlier, I was thinking 10% increase, not 10x increase, and even then I thought it was nuts.

No kidding.

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ObserverArt  Oct 11, 2017 • 11:51:06am

re: #48 Kragar

For some reason, when I heard about this earlier, I was thinking 10% increase, not 10x increase, and even then I thought it was nuts.

See the problem is you are normal. You have to think BIG like Trump thinks Big.

This is why he is so awesome. No one thinks like Trump…this I can tell you.

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wrenchwench  Oct 11, 2017 • 11:51:07am

No sympathy for the blessed.

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Kragar  Oct 11, 2017 • 11:51:09am
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Barefoot Grin  Oct 11, 2017 • 11:52:11am

“North Korea must not possess nuclear weapons!”

“America must have enough nuclear power to blow up the earth 25 times!”

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jaunte  Oct 11, 2017 • 11:52:43am

re: #22 I cannot.

Has anyone EVER died of marijuana overdosing? Much less edibles…

I had a close call, when on an enforced company outing in the Texas countryside, when a co-worker offered me a brownie he had brought along. We waited awhile for the effects, and had a second one because we were hungry. It started coming on when everyone was called inside because it was beginning to sprinkle, and the boss had the great idea to divide up into teams and play charades. The two of us floated out to the back of the crowd and escaped for a long hike in the rain, otherwise we would certainly have died a certain corporate death.

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calochortus  Oct 11, 2017 • 11:57:13am

re: #55 jaunte

I had a close call, when on an enforced company outing in the Texas countryside, when a co-worker offered me a brownie he had brought along. We waited awhile for the effects, and had a second one because we were hungry. It started coming on when everyone was called inside because it was beginning to sprinkle, and the boss had the great idea to divide up into teams and play charades. The two of us floated out to the back of the crowd and escaped for a long hike in the rain, otherwise we would certainly have died a certain corporate death.

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Unshaken Defiance  Oct 11, 2017 • 11:57:17am

re: #22 I cannot.

Has anyone EVER died of marijuana overdosing? Much less edibles…

Died? Probably not. But there is an issue to be fair and safe about. Some of the edibles are very very strong, dosed for daily smokers. Then it’s a brownie or a rice krisp, all chocolate and pretty packaged. Then a 5 year old kid up and eats it. Four or eight doses for a daily smoking adult. that does get dangerous.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 11, 2017 • 11:57:33am

re: #22 I cannot.

Has anyone EVER died of marijuana overdosing? Much less edibles…

I fell asleep once. Does that count?

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jaunte  Oct 11, 2017 • 11:58:33am

re: #56 calochortus

No long term effects for me, except the overuse of certain certainly certainement words.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 11, 2017 • 11:58:44am

“… With Garza’s help, the girl obtained a judicial waiver under a Texas law requiring a minor seeking an abortion to get consent from a parent. But staff at the facility where she’s being held refused to take her to her appointments with a doctor to seek an abortion, or let the attorney take her, even though private groups that support abortion rights have raised money for the procedure, Garza said.

Instead, she was taken to a crisis pregnancy center. Such centers encourage pregnant women not to have an abortion. …”

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jaunte  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:00:56pm

re: #60 FormerDirtDart

Attorney General Paxton told the court that “Texas has a legitimate and substantial interest in preserving and promoting fetal life, as well as an interest in promoting respect for human life at all stages in a pregnancy.”

After that, you take your chances, kid.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:01:39pm

re: #57 Unshaken Defiance

Died? Probably not. But there is an issue to be fair and safe about. Some of the edibles are very very strong, dosed for daily smokers. Then it’s a brownie or a rice krisp, all chocolate and pretty packaged. Then a 5 year old kid up and eats it. Four or eight doses for a daily smoking adult. that does get dangerous.

Regulate em we do cigarettes and alcohol.

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jeffreyw  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:02:36pm
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ObserverArt  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:03:10pm

re: #58 Dave In Austin

I fell asleep once. Does that count?

Wait.

Ffffffffffft. Ahhhhhhhh…

No.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:04:06pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:06:35pm

re: #63 HappyWarrior

Regulate em we do cigarettes and alcohol.

We need the FTC before a bad batch sickens people like any consumer consumable.

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:07:30pm

re: #55 jaunte

The only time I ever felt like I was gonna fall off the earth was the first time I consumed edibles. Now I know to strap on the ol’ earth seatbelt for the ride.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:08:57pm
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CongoJack  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:09:15pm

Did research in college. Most issues with MJ and hospitalization were because the individual had MJ and something else. Let it be booze (booze and MJ don’t mix well if you are a novice), prescriptions, or harder drugs.

As for kids… no kids should have MJ.

I didn’t start MJ until I was in my mid 20s. Helped me quit drinking so much booze as an extra side benefit.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:09:38pm

Next time just show him a fake slide. He won’t
know the difference anyway.

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Interesting Times  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:10:44pm
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dangerman  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:11:27pm

re: #12 jaunte

The greedy assholes keep on coming.

[Embedded content]He said the group’s officials did not intentionally do anything wrong.

sorry - bullshit

if you’re on the board you’re a fiduciary. if you dont notice this right under your nose, then yes, you intentionally did lots wrong

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danarchy  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:13:18pm

re: #63 HappyWarrior

Regulate em we do cigarettes and alcohol.

The big difference is cigarettes and alcohol, to be frank, taste pretty nasty, or at least are an acquired taste. A toddler isn’t likely to sip some vodka and then say yum and drink the rest of the bottle, or smoke a whole pack of cigarettes.

Marijuana edibles are delicious. If you are going to bring marijuana brownies or cookies or candies into a house with a small child you really have to be as careful with them as you would be with a loaded gun.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:14:05pm

Just an FYI of where we and the rest of the world stands when it comes to nuclear weapons (note: These are 2014 numbers; so they may be a bit smaller).

Digest the numbers for a moment and now imagine Dotard wanting 10x more than what we have! FFS. It’s unbelievable what lunacy exists at the White House today.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:14:55pm
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dangerman  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:15:29pm

re: #53 Kragar

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‘zactly

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b.d. (bill d.)  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:15:53pm

[trump] We need to pull NBC’s license [/trump]

[fcc] We don’t issue licenses for networks, they don’t have one. [/fcc]

[trump] RESULTS! I GETS THEM!! [/trump]

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:16:00pm

re: #69 Dr. Matt

Maybe the kids ARE alright…

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stpaulbear  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:16:30pm

re: #10 JordanRules

What’s really sad about that Onion piece is that it’s going to be the only story that may get some of the younger victims of Russian propaganda to realize that maybe they just might have been conned.

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jaunte  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:16:37pm

“Erroneous Reporting” is the pretend-responsible way to say “Fake News.”

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:16:39pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:17:00pm

re: #8 Dr. Matt

Anti-science/anti-reality bullshit from THIS asshole….

Tea Party governor warns of marijuana ‘overdoses’ if Kentucky legalizes recreational pot

He doesn’t know the difference between a novice getting too high, and an overdose of a dangerous drug. He’s got reefer madness.

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dangerman  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:17:25pm

re: #44 danarchy

Edibles are actually more potent than smoking. But aside from one case of a toddler that died of respiratory failure that could not be definitively linked to the THC in his system, there have been a couple of children that required intubation after ingesting marijuana edibles.

There have however been several cases of people who killed other people or animals blaming edibles. I’d take those with a grain of salt though.

the kids got to it because just a bunch of well meaning adults who lost control of their…oh never mind

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:17:43pm

re: #82 FormerDirtDart

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Someone at CNN is bad at math.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:18:27pm

re: #79 Eclectic Cyborg

Maybe the kids ARE alright…

We just have to make sure the little bastards get out and vote!

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jaunte  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:19:00pm

Rotten fish head talking.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:19:17pm

re: #13 ObserverArt

Do these new nukes also need to be painted in gold leaf paint that has some real 24kt flakes in it?

Another thought…how many times is he going to call wolf (fake news) before even his own supporters grow tired of it?

Fucker is in a rut with his well-worn talking points. Limited vocabulary with an extremely limited brain.

The good news is that we can replace it with a simple electronic brain, and slowly dial back the crazy setting from 11 to 0. His supporters will abandon him at about 7.

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dangerman  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:19:32pm

re: #60 FormerDirtDart

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and theyre ok with creating anchor babies?

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jaunte  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:20:18pm

“Mutual offense” is a strong hint that Trump wants someone else to attack North Korea.

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dangerman  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:20:48pm

re: #66 FormerDirtDart

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“Called for” vs “why cant we….”

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scottslemmons  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:23:37pm

It’s hard to believe the rest of the cabinet doesn’t just lie to him to keep him under control.

“I wanna build ten times more nukes!”
“Okay, they’re busy doing that right now, we just called ‘em up.”
“Great, now let’s make NBC stop being on TV.”
“Will do. Let’s see if the Make NBC Stop Being on TV on your presidential remote works.”
(sets lockout controls to block NBC)
(also blocks Fox News)
“Oh, looks like Fox and Friends is going to be switching to an animated format from now on. It’s going to be the same show, just they’ll all look like cartoons.”
“Ooh, let’s see what Steve Doocy has to say today!”
(theme music: “Weeeee are the Crystal Gems…”)

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:24:32pm

re: #63 HappyWarrior

Regulate em we do cigarettes and alcohol.

That’s what the sane states already do. There’s no undoing legalization this time. It’s making too much money for the states smart enough to end this prohibition.

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calochortus  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:24:49pm

re: #74 danarchy

The big difference is cigarettes and alcohol, to be frank, taste pretty nasty, or at least are an acquired taste. A toddler isn’t likely to sip some vodka and then say yum and drink the rest of the bottle, or smoke a whole pack of cigarettes.

Marijuana edibles are delicious. If you are going to bring marijuana brownies or cookies or candies into a house with a small child you really have to be as careful with them as you would be with a loaded gun.

Agreed on the dangers of attracting kids. Of course, when our kids were little and wanted to try our wine or beer, we gave them a sip. (I think the statute of limitations is long past on that, right?) Worked great with my daughter, she didn’t ask again. Our son, on the other hand, liked it. So we’d give him an ounce on festive occasions and that worked pretty well. He learned to drink in moderation and as far as I know didn’t go wild when he was older. As far as we know, anyway.

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alloutofcrazyhere  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:25:34pm

In light of the whole NFL thing with Trump, as well as the upcoming gerrymandering case in front of SCOTUS, I thought that this was funny …

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:27:18pm

re: #74 danarchy

The big difference is cigarettes and alcohol, to be frank, taste pretty nasty, or at least are an acquired taste. A toddler isn’t likely to sip some vodka and then say yum and drink the rest of the bottle, or smoke a whole pack of cigarettes.

Marijuana edibles are delicious. If you are going to bring marijuana brownies or cookies or candies into a house with a small child you really have to be as careful with them as you would be with a loaded gun.

I think you’re thinking of heroin. You need to keep the stuff from the kids, but no one is going to die due to letting a kid get a brownie. Guns are a unique danger.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:27:50pm

re: #82 FormerDirtDart

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And also in those 9 months, what has he passed that accounted for this mighty rise he is taking credit for?

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ObserverArt  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:29:00pm

re: #76 Charles Johnson

Charles Johnson ✔@Green_Footballs
Replying to @VeraMBergen
In this administration, no one’s word can be trusted. The fish rots from the head down.


3:14 PM - Oct 11, 2017

With all the shit Trump talks he is undeserving of having any benefit of doubt.

I can hear him complaining to Mattis yesterday the news media heard about the meeting and now he is being made to look like a foolish madmen. Then he ordered Mattis to put out a statement to cover his fat butt. Mattis, probably to keep things fairly sane and thinking of how our allies and enemies see this, went ahead and covered.

I bet it is like this every damn day in Trump White House.

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dangerman  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:31:32pm

re: #96 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I think you’re thinking of heroin. You need to keep the stuff from the kids, but no one is going to die due to letting a kid get a brownie. Guns are a unique danger.

the point i was way too obliquely trying to make

re: #84 dangerman

way too many guns “fall into the hands” of kids, those prone to suicide, actually, anyone who isnt the owner. because they dont control them. they dont secure them.

every one of them ought to go to jail whether the weapon is fired or not, or hurts someone or not

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Kragar  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:31:34pm

Had to evacuate my office for about 30 minutes. Halon alarm got triggered

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Stanley Sea  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:32:20pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:33:09pm

re: #101 Stanley Sea

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We have never elected someone so profoundly ignorant to this office.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:33:18pm

re: #85 Big Beautiful Door

Someone at CNN is bad at math.

They’re willing to give him “since election” credit
I’m not

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calochortus  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:34:02pm

re: #102 HappyWarrior

We have never elected someone so profoundly ignorant unbalanced to this office.

Fixed.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:35:46pm

re: #104 calochortus

Fixed.

That too.

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ObserverArt  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:37:05pm

re: #81 jaunte

“Erroneous Reporting” is the pretend-responsible way to say “Fake News.”

It can also mean that one little aspect of the report is wrong, so it lends wiggle room to make that statement.

Maybe he didn’t say ten times. Maybe he said I want a quantity of nuke warheads like we had in 1970, which just happened to be 10 times as many.

Nope not buying today general. That is what happens when you have to deal with a known liar with a big mouth.

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bratwurst  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:37:32pm

If you haven’t read the Tom Barrack story today, make sure you do so:

‘He’s better than this,’ says Thomas Barrack, Trump’s loyal whisperer

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:38:01pm

re: #98 ObserverArt

With all the shit Trump talks he is undeserving of having any benefit of doubt.

I can hear him complaining to Mattis yesterday the news media heard about the meeting and now he is being made to look like a foolish madmen. Then he ordered Mattis to put out a statement to cover his fat butt. Mattis, probably to keep things fairly sane and thinking of how our allies and enemies see this, went ahead and covered.

I bet it is like this every damn day in Trump White House.

Only the days that end in a y.

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EPR-radar  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:38:02pm

re: #92 scottslemmons

It’s hard to believe the rest of the cabinet doesn’t just lie to him to keep him under control.

“I wanna build ten times more nukes!”
“Okay, they’re busy doing that right now, we just called ‘em up.”
“Great, now let’s make NBC stop being on TV.”
“Will do. Let’s see if the Make NBC Stop Being on TV on your presidential remote works.”
(sets lockout controls to block NBC)
(also blocks Fox News)
“Oh, looks like Fox and Friends is going to be switching to an animated format from now on. It’s going to be the same show, just they’ll all look like cartoons.”
“Ooh, let’s see what Steve Doocy has to say today!”
(theme music: “Weeeee are the Crystal Gems…”)

But if the cabinet starts doing that, they would all have to keep their lies consistent, which is impossible for a group of lickspittles in it for themselves.

This is what makes politics around a mentally impaired despot so exhilarating — the toadies surrounding the despot never know when the despot will have a moment of clarity, or when the despot will believe a rival’s story long enough to purge the target of that story.

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EPR-radar  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:39:36pm

re: #95 alloutofcrazyhere

There should really be a shark-filled moat in front of the Democratic end zone called “the mainstream media”

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sizzzzlerz  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:40:23pm

re: #11 HappyWarrior

What a dolt.

I’d think KY would welcome MaryJane overdoses. It’d keep the rednecks off the meth.

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dangerman  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:41:40pm

re: #101 Stanley Sea

“I hate everyone in the White House! There are a few exceptions, but I hate them!”

aside from just being a baby

he hates this job.

he cant do what he wants. he cant get the job to mold so he can do what he wants. he cant get the other people in the administration to do what he wants (he doesn’t get that they only sort of work for him, there’s a public watching and firing them at will creates problems with appearances)

he doesnt get that he doesnt control the press - he probably thought hed be able to
he doesnt get that he doesnt control congress or the courts
hes just learning that favoring his family with jobs was neither insulation nor armor.
it’s fuel

basically he flies around some, grifts some tax dollars into his pockets, and wow, gets 2 scoops of ice cream.

he hates this job

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:42:05pm

re: #101 Stanley Sea

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Sounds like the Fuhrer Bunker in 1945.

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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:43:22pm

re: #96 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I think you’re thinking of heroin. You need to keep the stuff from the kids, but no one is going to die due to letting a kid get a brownie. Guns are a unique danger.

Guns are a unique danger, yes. But one of my dogs has now gotten into massive amounts of edibles twice. And he avidly seeks them out now, or tries to. We, however, thought he was dying because the first time he spent a day and a half totally looped out and basically slowly walking around and staring at things. He’s 40 pounds. I would not want a toddler to get into my edibles.

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ObserverArt  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:43:37pm

re: #100 Kragar

Had to evacuate my office for about 30 minutes. Halon alarm got triggered

Halon? I thought it was no longer in use. I’m familiar with it from Auto Racing Fire Suppression systems. Used to have a tank of it on our warehouse to refill fire bottles.

Do you mind me asking where do you work and the nature of the business?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:44:26pm

re: #112 dangerman

aside from just being a baby

he hates this job.

he cant do what he wants. he cant get the job to mold so he can do what he wants. he cant get the other people in the administration to do what he wants (he doesn’t get that they only sort of work for him, there’s a public watching and firing them at will creates problems with appearances)

he doesnt get that he doesnt control the press - he probably thought hed be able to
he doesnt get that he doesnt control congress or the courts
hes just learning that favoring his family with jobs was neither insulation nor armor.
it’s fuel

basically he flies around some, grifts some tax dollars into his pockets, and wow, gets 2 scoops of ice cream.

he hates this job

He really is totally unfit for the job and it shows every goddamn day.

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sizzzzlerz  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:45:04pm

re: #113 Big Beautiful Door

Sounds like the Fuhrer Bunker in 1945.

If only it ended the same way…

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EPR-radar  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:45:43pm

re: #112 dangerman

aside from just being a baby

he hates this job.

he cant do what he wants. he cant get the job to mold so he can do what he wants. he cant get the other people in the administration to do what he wants (he doesn’t get that they only sort of work for him, there’s a public watching and firing them at will creates problems with appearances)

he doesnt get that he doesnt control the press - he probably thought hed be able to
he doesnt get that he doesnt control congress or the courts
hes just learning that favoring his family with jobs was neither insulation nor armor.
it’s fuel

basically he flies around some, grifts some tax dollars into his pockets, and wow, gets 2 scoops of ice cream.

he hates this job

Before he became president, t**** had the best job in the world. He could absolutely control his personal orbit such that it only included people who knew that their only job was pleasing t****. He got to yell “you’re fired” many times on TV, which was very gratifying.

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Kragar  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:45:45pm

re: #117 sizzzzlerz

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Kragar  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:46:34pm

re: #115 ObserverArt

DoD installation. They’ve got it rigged on the server floor

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TedStriker  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:46:39pm

re: #83 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

He doesn’t know the difference between a novice getting too high, and an overdose of a dangerous drug. He’s got reefer madness.

And I’m sure that there are more than a few Bevin supporters that grow their own smoke and think he’s full of shit, yet still support him.

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Kragar  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:49:06pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:49:09pm

re: #117 sizzzzlerz

If only it ended the same way…

You mean with the Russians arriving to take over? It might.

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TedStriker  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:49:22pm

re: #96 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I think you’re thinking of heroin. You need to keep the stuff from the kids, but no one is going to die due to letting a kid get a brownie. Guns are a unique danger.

No, any drugs, even pot or edibles, need to be kept out of reach of children.

Period.

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ObserverArt  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:50:42pm

re: #120 Kragar

DoD installation. They’ve got it rigged on the server floor

Thanks. That explains it. I imagine they get to use it due to its efficiency.

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:50:43pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:51:37pm

re: #126 Ace-o-aces

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For fuck sake. This is the last Muslim woman he should be asking that.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:51:38pm

re: #122 Kragar

Man, I’d love to see the Mercer’s get their tit in the ringer.

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Bubblehead II  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:51:53pm

re: #115 ObserverArt

Halon? I thought it was no longer in use. I’m familiar with it from Auto Racing Fire Suppression systems. Used to have a tank of it on our warehouse to refill fire bottles.

Do you mind me asking where do you work and the nature of the business?

No, it’s still used. We have two Halon suppression systems at my place of employment. One is in the server room and a smaller one in a switch closet.

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.

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ObserverArt  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:52:48pm

re: #121 TedStriker

And I’m sure that there are more than a few Bevin supporters that grow their own smoke and think he’s full of shit, yet still support him.

From my understanding there is a robust indoor growing business in Kentucky. It is the way some people make a living. Bevin may be feeding his backers what they want to hear.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:53:26pm

re: #130 ObserverArt

From my understanding there is a robust indoor growing business in Kentucky. It is the way some people make a living. Bevin may be feeding his backers what they want to hear.

Bootleggers and Baptists.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:57:36pm

re: #126 Ace-o-aces

“Mike, will you denounce Nazism, White Supremacy, Jim Crow, Dominionists, the Spanish Inquisition*, the Crusades, Tim McVeigh, Adam Lanza, Stephen Paddock, etc. etc. etc.? I mean, you’re white after all, so we have good reason to believe you might support these, right?”

* Bet you didn’t expect THAT!

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:58:05pm

I can smell smoke again today. :(

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Kragar  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:58:18pm

re: #132 Blind Frog Belly White

To be fair, no one does.

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danarchy  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:58:24pm

re: #114 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)

Guns are a unique danger, yes. But one of my dogs has now gotten into massive amounts of edibles twice. And he avidly seeks them out now, or tries to. We, however, thought he was dying because the first time he spent a day and a half totally looped out and basically slowly walking around and staring at things. He’s 40 pounds. I would not want a toddler to get into my edibles.

philly.com

The results aren’t good and in extreme cases can lead to respiratory failure and coma.

I am a 200lb guy and a couple pot brownies can knock me on my ass. I’m not anti-pot, thanks to the new laws in MA I have a plant growing in my basement. I just don’t think you should underestimate the potency of modern marijuana when it comes to children.

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ObserverArt  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:58:47pm

re: #129 Bubblehead II

No, it’s still used. We have two Halon suppression systems at my place of employment. One is in the server room and a smaller one in a switch closet.

Interesting. Considering what Kragar and you are saying, there must still be an allowance for any electrical or sensitive equipment fire prevention.

In auto racing, there are other replacements like 3M’s AFFF, but they are foam based and have some liquid content to help produce the soapy foam. Which of course is not good for electronics.

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calochortus  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:58:53pm

re: #132 Blind Frog Belly White

“Mike, will you denounce Nazism, White Supremacy, Jim Crow, Dominionists, the Spanish Inquisition*, the Crusades, Tim McVeigh, Adam Lanza, Stephen Paddock, etc. etc. etc.? I mean, you’re white after all, so we have good reason to believe you might support these, right?”

* Bet you didn’t expect THAT!

No one does expect it.

edit: And I’m late again…

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whitebeach  Oct 11, 2017 • 12:59:35pm

re: #133 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I can smell smoke again today. :(

Try edibles?

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Kragar  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:00:29pm

re: #136 ObserverArt

We’ve got standard sprinklers throughout most of the building. Halon is only on the server floor and some of the other equipment rooms.

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calochortus  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:00:56pm

re: #133 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I can smell smoke again today. :(

Yeah, I was out running errands. 10:00 all was nice. 10:30, not so much-the winds shifted and the air was smokey. Not good.

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ObserverArt  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:01:10pm

re: #133 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I can smell smoke again today. :(

I heard a report earlier saying this may be California’s worst fire season on record.

And yet, not that long ago it was wet out there. Not being used to that climate, it must take only days for it all to dry out especially when the winds come.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:01:20pm

re: #138 whitebeach

Try edibles?

Hah.

Death toll is up to 21 so far in the fires, with over 500 reported missing.

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Belafon  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:01:37pm
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calochortus  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:02:13pm

re: #141 ObserverArt

I heard a report earlier saying this may be California’s worst fire season on record.

And yet, not that long ago it was wet out there. Not being used to that climate, it must take only days for it all to dry out especially when the winds come.

It’s dry all summer here. Things have months to dry out.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:03:23pm

re: #141 ObserverArt

I heard a report earlier saying this may be California’s worst fire season on record.

And yet, not that long ago it was wet out there. Not being used to that climate, it must take only days for it all to dry out especially when the winds come.

Well, it was wet in April.

Like, we haven’t had rain to speak of since then. But what all that water this winter did do was encourage lots of growth of things like grass, etc., which has then dried out during the normal pattern (it rains here between October and April, dries out from April to October - hills go from green in the winter to gold in the summer).

That’s why September/October are normally the most dangerous months.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:03:24pm

re: #131 HappyWarrior

Bootleggers and Baptists.

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Belafon  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:03:36pm

They fired that Utah officer who arrested that nurse, and demoted his supervisor: washingtonpost.com.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:04:16pm

re: #133 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I can smell smoke again today. :(

The light here in South City is reminiscent of the peak of the solar eclipse earlier this year.

Hawaii Bro is flying in tonight. I told him I hoped there’d still be some unburned California. But, he can inhale parts of Napa and Sonoma counties without even visiting.

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dangerman  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:04:38pm

re: #118 EPR-radar

Before he became president, t**** had the best job in the world. He could absolutely control his personal orbit such that it only included people who knew that their only job was pleasing t****. He got to yell “you’re fired” many times on TV, which was very gratifying.

yes and i think he probably thought this would be that way too

i wonder if he really had no idea how the government and the job actually work (which is my guess - he didnt even bother to get like a 3 hour dumbed down briefing - here’s the constitution, here’s what it says, heres the three branches, here’s what they do - heres what you’ll be able to do, where you’ll have trouble.) im saying politics aside - mechanics.

or if he thought he could just bend it all to his will

or if he never actually thought he’d win and have to face it

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:05:44pm

“You and the rest of your leadership team were given the majority because you pledged to stop the steady flow of illegal immigration,” the letter states. “You have done nothing. You pledged to reduce the size of this oppressive federal government. You have done nothing. You pledged to reduce, and ultimately eliminate the out-of-control deficit spending that is bankrupting America. You have done nothing. You promised to repeal Obamacare, ‘root and branch.’ You have done nothing. You promised tax reform. You have done nothing.”

foxnews.com

i’m always happy to see the gop at war with itself, but i’m not confident that they have “done nothing”

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Kragar  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:05:53pm
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calochortus  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:05:54pm

re: #149 dangerman

yes and i think he probably thought this would be that way too

i wonder if he really had no idea how the government and the job actually work (which is my guess - he didnt even bother to get like a 3 hour dumbed down briefing - here’s the constitution, here’s what it says, heres the three branches, here’s what they do - heres what you’ll be able to do, where you’ll have trouble.) im saying politics aside - mechanics.

or if he thought he could just bend it all to his will

or if he never actually thought he’d win and have to face it

#1 and #3. After he won he hoped in vain for #2.

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ObserverArt  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:06:28pm

re: #149 dangerman

yes and i think he probably thought this would be that way too

i wonder if he really had no idea how the government and the job actually work (which is my guess - he didnt even bother to get like a 3 hour dumbed down briefing - here’s the constitution, here’s what it says, heres the three branches, here’s what they do - heres what you’ll be able to do, where you’ll have trouble.) im saying politics aside - mechanics.

or if he thought he could just bend it all to his will

or if he never actually thought he’d win and have to face it

I think all of your points play into the mess that is Donny Trump.

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TedStriker  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:06:48pm

re: #135 danarchy

philly.com

The results aren’t good and in extreme cases can lead to respiratory failure and coma.

I am a 200lb guy and a couple pot brownies can knock me on my ass. I’m not anti-pot, thanks to the new laws in MA I have a plant growing in my basement. I just don’t think you should underestimate the potency of modern marijuana when it comes to children.

Exactly…I’m not a pot smoker, but I know and have known people who do and today’s pot is much, much more potent than the popular 60s/70s strains, so often referenced in the works of Cheech and Chong.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:06:48pm

re: #137 calochortus

No one does expect it.

edit: And I’m late again…

YouTube

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dangerman  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:08:33pm

re: #129 Bubblehead II

No, it’s still used. We have two Halon suppression systems at my place of employment. One is in the server room and a smaller one in a switch closet.

electrical fires + no residue

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Kragar  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:08:35pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:09:10pm

re: #157 Kragar

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Lovely.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:10:16pm

re: #149 dangerman

yes and i think he probably thought this would be that way too

i wonder if he really had no idea how the government and the job actually work (which is my guess - he didnt even bother to get like a 3 hour dumbed down briefing - here’s the constitution, here’s what it says, heres the three branches, here’s what they do - heres what you’ll be able to do, where you’ll have trouble.) im saying politics aside - mechanics.

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or if he thought he could just bend it all to his will

or if he never actually thought he’d win and have to face it

and his conception of how to get things done in life is to threaten and berate people like a character in a corny mafia movie

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Kragar  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:10:18pm

re: #156 dangerman

Also means we get the fun briefings like “if you are the server floor and hear this alarm, you have 30 seconds to get out before all oxygen is displaced and you suffocate to death.”

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TedStriker  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:10:25pm

re: #147 Belafon

They fired that Utah officer who arrested that nurse, and demoted his supervisor: washingtonpost.com.

It took, what, 2-3 months to get to this point?

If that nurse were any other color than white, those cops would have still been on the job. And, frankly, the campus PD and hospital security right there with her when all of this happened weren’t doing their jobs right either, all because of the “cops don’t snitch on other cops” BS.

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scottslemmons  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:11:28pm

Pretty sure Trump’s last day in the White House is just going to be a bunch of staff, cabinet members, Congressmen, and Secret Service agents waiting in line to punch him in the mouth as he walks out the door.

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jaunte  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:11:56pm

re: #151 Kragar

Wohl and WCIG falsely represented to Investor 1 that WCIG managed between $9 million and $10 million in assets, but actually managed less than $500,000, the order said.

We are all hedge fund managers now.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:12:19pm

You know, I worry more than ever about a peaceful transition of power even if Trump does apparently hate the WH and being President.

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:12:44pm
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Bubblehead II  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:12:57pm

re: #136 ObserverArt

Interesting. Considering what Kragar and you are saying, there must still be an allowance for any electrical or sensitive equipment fire prevention.

In auto racing, there are other replacements like 3M’s AFFF, but they are foam based and have some liquid content to help produce the soapy foam. Which of course is not good for electronics.

I think it’s only allowed in sealed rooms that are not routinely occupied. Hence the alarm/signal strobe outside the door. Since we (my shop) have equipment in the same closet/small room, we have been instructed to hold our breath and leave the area immediately if the bottle is ever dumped.

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wrenchwench  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:13:03pm

re: #148 Blind Frog Belly White

The light here in South City is reminiscent of the peak of the solar eclipse earlier this year.

Hawaii Bro is flying in tonight. I told him I hoped there’d still be some unburned California. But, he can inhale parts of Napa and Sonoma counties without even visiting.

Why, a few years back, here in NM we burned twice as many acres, lost no structures, and there were no fatalities. I got a t-shirt for cheap. We got a whole lot of nothing, but some of it burns. Ooops, 12 residences burned. I should google first.

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EPR-radar  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:13:25pm

re: #133 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I can smell smoke again today. :(

This has been the worst day for smoke here this week, but it’s in poor taste to complain too much in view of the disasters up north.

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TedStriker  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:13:43pm

re: #156 dangerman

electrical fires + no residue

Because Halon and Halon-like fire suppressors work by air displacement, that’s why, if you’re in a room with a Halon system fixing to fire, you get the fuck out, because you will suffocate without wearing an air pack.

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ObserverArt  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:14:06pm

re: #154 TedStriker

Exactly…I’m not a pot smoker, but I know and have known people who do and today’s pot is much, much more potent than the popular 60s/70s strains, so often referenced in the works of Cheech and Chong.

That is true to an extent. The common street pot was less potent.

But if you knew the right people that had access to some foreign pot, from places like Hawaii, Afghanistan, Thailand, etc. it was just as potent.

Now that it became a thing to grow indoors and people learned how to breed and cultivate from cuttings they have all kinds of potent blends.

Add in legality and the growers can really work on their strains.

Again…art student from the 70s living in an art community and knowing some business men that did some importing is how I know.

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Kragar  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:14:09pm
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EPR-radar  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:14:44pm

re: #141 ObserverArt

I heard a report earlier saying this may be California’s worst fire season on record.

And yet, not that long ago it was wet out there. Not being used to that climate, it must take only days for it all to dry out especially when the winds come.

Part of the problem is that the previous wet winter leaves more dried vegetation on the ground in fire season than you’d have in the middle of a drought.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:15:14pm

re: #171 Kragar

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All a goddamn game to him.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:16:10pm

Question: Let’s say the GOP came to their senses and decided to remove Trump via the 25th Amendment.

How fast can that process happen?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:18:46pm

re: #174 Eclectic Cyborg

Question: Let’s say the GOP came to their senses and decided to remove Trump via the 25th Amendment.

How fast can that process happen?

Honestly no idea. It would be completely unprecedented.

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ObserverArt  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:19:10pm

re: #166 Bubblehead II

I think it’s only allowed in sealed rooms that are not routinely occupied. Hence the alarm/signal strobe outside the door. Since we (my shop) have equipment in the same closet/small room, we have been instructed to hold our breath and leave the area immediately if the bottle is ever dumped.

I understand. That is how Halon works…it starves the oxygen thus knocking down the fire.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:19:32pm

The GOP needs to be punished for forcing Teump on us. And the way to do that is to for every Democrat you can.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:23:07pm

re: #164 HappyWarrior

You know, I worry more than ever about a peaceful transition of power even if Trump does apparently hate the WH and being President.

I always thought it was ridiculous when some on the Left worried that Bush wouldn’t leave office, and then many on the Right worried that Obama wouldn’t. I think its completely reasonable to worry that Trump will refuse to concede defeat in 2020 and trigger a constitutional crisis.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:24:47pm

Make no mistake, the GOP enabled Trump first by not condemning his role as the nation’s most prominent birther, then their candidates said little to nothing when he insulted everyone as a candidate, & then they rallied around him due to HRC derangement.

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EPR-radar  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:25:07pm

re: #175 HappyWarrior

Honestly no idea. It would be completely unprecedented.

I’d be happy for events to prove me wrong on this, but IMO the 25th amendment is a complete non-starter. Despite his claim that he knew nothing of the 25th amendment, I believe that t**** was fully aware of it when he made his cabinet picks. I’m sure he demanded absolute personal loyalty as a precondition for the appointment for enough cabinet positions to block a 25th amendment process. Mattis might not have such a leash on him, and a few others as well, but nowhere near the majority required by the 25th amendment.

t**** is stupid about a great many things, but he’s going to be cognizant of real threats to his power or to his money.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:25:51pm

re: #178 Big Beautiful Door

I always thought it was ridiculous when some on the Left worried that Bush wouldn’t leave office, and then many on the Right worried that Obama wouldn’t. I think its completely reasonable to worry that Trump will refuse to concede defeat in 2020 and trigger a constitutional crisis.

I wasn’t worried about Bush because he wasn’t anti democratic in nature and someone that I know respected the democratic process. Ditto Obama.

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Bubblehead II  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:25:53pm

re: #156 dangerman

electrical fires + no residue

Yep.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:26:18pm

re: #32 ObserverArt

That was fun.

I went to YouTube to see if there was credit given as to what orchestra and director recorded the soundtrack and when. I was wondering if he used the track from Fantasia/Disney.

That is “Hall of the Mountain King” from the Peer Gynt Suite by Edvard Grieg.

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ObserverArt  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:26:35pm

re: #172 EPR-radar

Part of the problem is that the previous wet winter leaves more dried vegetation on the ground in fire season than you’d have in the middle of a drought.

Yeah, I understand now. Klys and you explained it well. I hadn’t thought about the decent rains you all had earlier this year brought out more vegetation to turn into fuel.

Again, I am not used to that kind of a climate though Ohio has had some grass fries in extremely dry conditions, but nothing at all like California.

This year we have enough rain and cool weather in this part of the country we never had even a little yellowing of our grass in August/September. It’s been green all spring, summer and fall.

I keep thinking of all the insurance payouts for all the storms and fires. I’m afraid of what that is going to do to insurance costs in parts of the country if not for us all.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:27:25pm

re: #180 EPR-radar

I’d be happy for events to prove me wrong on this, but IMO the 25th amendment is a complete non-starter. Despite his claim that he knew nothing of the 25th amendment, I believe that t**** was fully aware of it when he made his cabinet picks. I’m sure he demanded absolute personal loyalty as a precondition for the appointment for enough cabinet positions to block a 25th amendment process. Mattis might not have such a leash on him, and a few others as well, but nowhere near the majority required by the 25th amendment.

t**** is stupid about a great many things, but he’s going to be cognizant of real threats to his power or to his money.

I think you are right about that.

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ObserverArt  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:28:11pm

re: #179 HappyWarrior

Make no mistake, the GOP enabled Trump first by not condemning his role as the nation’s most prominent birther, then their candidates said little to nothing when he insulted everyone as a candidate, & then they rallied around him due to HRC derangement.

Yep. They all wear Trump suits.

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EPR-radar  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:29:14pm

re: #179 HappyWarrior

Make no mistake, the GOP enabled Trump first by not condemning his role as the nation’s most prominent birther, then their candidates said little to nothing when he insulted everyone as a candidate, & then they rallied around him due to HRC derangement.

The GOP establishment never would have condemned t****’s birtherism. That’s the kind of dog whistle shit that’s been a Republican staple for decades.

t**** won the GOP primary fair and square — he is the authentic voice of the Pig People. After that, full support from the GOP establishment was guaranteed because better a GOP madman in the White House than any Democrat. Republicans are truly evil, both their establishment and their rank and file.

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wrenchwench  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:30:59pm

About 6 months ago, I was running on the nearest track, and a woman with a big hat was walking a little dog off its leash, which she was carrying. We had words, because her dog did not stay with her and was too close to me for my comfort. She was sarcastic about how dangerous her tiny beast was, and I told her it was a ‘goddamned tripping hazard’, and it would only take one fall to kill me (I was still afraid of Second Impact Syndrome).

Today she apologized. I didn’t recognize her without her hat and dog, but she explained what she was apologizing for. I also apologized, and told her I found out a week later that one little bump to the head was not going to kill me (that’s how I remember how long ago it was, that’s when I was cleared to ride a bike again).

It waren’t no big thing, but we both remembered.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:31:20pm

re: #187 EPR-radar

The GOP establishment never would have condemned t****’s birtherism. That’s the kind of dog whistle shit that’s been a Republican staple for decades.

t**** won the GOP primary fair and square — he is the authentic voice of the Pig People. After that, full support from the GOP establishment was guaranteed because better a GOP madman in the White House than any Democrat. Republicans are truly evil, both their establishment and their rank and file.

Right, I’m saying when they inevitably try to distance themselves from him, we need to make them own Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:32:14pm

re: #186 ObserverArt

Yep. They all wear Trump suits.

They’re all a bunch of cowards who would rather get their precious tax cuts and Scalia clone judges than hsve an ethical human being as potus.

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ObserverArt  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:32:53pm

re: #183 The Vicious Babushka

That is “Hall of the Mountain King” from the Peer Gynt Suite by Edvard Grieg.

I knew the piece was Hall of the Mountain King, but I was interested in the orchestra and director of the version in that video. It was not listed at the YouTube page for the video. The orchestra had some nice dynamics. Some directors play it too loud and loose those nice little light parts.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:33:32pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:36:00pm

re: #192 FormerDirtDart

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Has FNC been attacking Em and his music all day? That’s usually their go to when someone dares to criticize the God Emperor?

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EPR-radar  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:38:43pm

re: #192 FormerDirtDart

Philosophical questions in the t**** era: Has t**** tried to take the Nuclear Football with him on his morning visits to the white house shitter, or is that something fated that hasn’t happened yet?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:39:55pm

re: #160 Kragar

Also means we get the fun briefings like “if you are the server floor and hear this alarm, you have 30 seconds to get out before all oxygen is displaced and you suffocate to death.”

I got a similar briefing except it was “if there’s an earthquake and the NMR tips over, run.”

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austin_blue  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:41:20pm

Saw the first three Monarchs today on their long trek south. First sign of the end of summer here in South Austin (oh, and it was 92 on Monday, and 75 yesterday and today, thank the weather gods…).

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:41:47pm

re: #188 wrenchwench

I’m glad you were both able to find some kindness and move forward to understanding.

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wrenchwench  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:43:48pm

re: #197 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’m glad you were both able to find some kindness and move forward to understanding.

It comes out of nowhere, seemingly. Thanks.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:44:12pm

re: #126 Ace-o-aces

She should ask him if he will speak out against White violence against racial and religious minorities. That should shut him the hell up. Nothing she has done suggests that she is supportive of Muslim violence against any group.

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lawhawk  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:44:16pm

re: #150 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

“You and the rest of your leadership team were given the majority because you pledged to stop the steady flow of illegal immigration,” the letter states. “You have done nothing. You pledged to reduce the size of this oppressive federal government. You have done nothing. You pledged to reduce, and ultimately eliminate the out-of-control deficit spending that is bankrupting America. You have done nothing. You promised to repeal Obamacare, ‘root and branch.’ You have done nothing. You promised tax reform. You have done nothing.”

foxnews.com

i’m always happy to see the gop at war with itself, but i’m not confident that they have “done nothing”

The complaint they’ve done nothing at the top line. They didn’t repeal Obamacare, but they did massively screw with premiums and caused a Trump tax on premiums that was entirely avoidable.

They promised tax reform, and they cant’ get out of the box because they hoped to get the massive savings from gutting health coverage would have delivered the massive tax cuts for millionaires.

They have left an indelible mark on the judiciary with their stolen seat and rubber stamped countless incompetent and unqualified people at key positions in the judiciary and the Executive Branch. Those have consequences too.

Those that are angry are upset that they haven’t done even more damage or haven’t done enough damage as fast as they wanted.

These extremists will not be satisfied, but it’s up to everyone else to thwart their ambitions and make them pay for what damage they’ve done.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:45:44pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:46:16pm

Evening Lizardim.

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Kragar  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:46:36pm

re: #195 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I got a similar briefing except it was “if there’s an earthquake and the NMR tips over, run.”

Good old field briefings as well.

“What is this engineer’s tape doing here?”
“Oh, we’re marking off the danger area for when we set up the microwave dishes.”

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calochortus  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:46:51pm

The smoke continues to thicken. I hope it doesn’t mean a lot of wind in the North Bay, or a worsening fire situation.

It was bad enough here at noon that I told Mr. C. he shouldn’t go to work this afternoon (habitat restoration and therefore outdoors) and it’s getting steadily worse. His coworker just called and said they were canceling for today so I don’t have to duct tape Mr. C. to a chair to keep him home.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:48:03pm

re: #201 FormerDirtDart

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That’s white privilege.

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JordanRules  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:53:29pm

When you see your former coworker and wonder what happened.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:54:51pm

re: #206 JordanRules

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When you see your former coworker and wonder what happened.

Never liked Ed. Glad my spidey sense was right about him.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:55:02pm

re: #198 wrenchwench

It comes out of nowhere, seemingly. Thanks.

With all the negativity and cynicism and despair in the world these days I’m trying to fight back every day with kindness for people.

I don’t always manage, but I like to try and make someone’s day a little brighter if I can.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:55:53pm

re: #208 klys (maker of Silmarils)

With all the negativity and cynicism and despair in the world these days I’m trying to fight back every day with kindness for people.

I don’t always manage, but I like to try and make someone’s day a little brighter if I can.

That’s a good way.

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Kragar  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:56:11pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:56:41pm

re: #208 klys (maker of Silmarils)

With all the negativity and cynicism and despair in the world these days I’m trying to fight back every day with kindness for people.

I don’t always manage, but I like to try and make someone’s day a little brighter if I can.

To steal a quote from the fucktard Scott Adams, “a little ray of bitter sunshine.”

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plansbandc  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:57:15pm

re: #207 HappyWarrior

I hated him when he was on Air America. He was like Rush light. ON AIR AMERICA. Rachel was great though.

I miss that pinko station sometimes.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:57:50pm

re: #210 Kragar

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Yeah Erick because every man treats women that way. Fuck off you zealot.

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EPR-radar  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:58:14pm

re: #210 Kragar

The other possibility is that Pence is paranoid about the possibility of false accusations from women.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:58:43pm

re: #212 plansbandc

I hated him when he was on Air America. He was like Rush light. ON AIR AMERICA. Rachel was great though.

I miss that pinko station sometimes.

He is former right wing and it always showed in how he acted. Rachel was and is great.

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calochortus  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:58:46pm

re: #213 HappyWarrior

Yeah Erick because every man treats women that way. Fuck off you zealot.

Don’t be silly. It’s so they can isolate women from important business contacts and meetings.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:59:24pm

re: #217 calochortus

Don’t be silly. It’s so they can isolate women from important business contacts and meetings.

And prevent from getting cooties.

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JordanRules  Oct 11, 2017 • 1:59:25pm

re: #214 EPR-radar

Why would he be paranoid about that? Is there some history there I’m not aware of?

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dangerman  Oct 11, 2017 • 2:00:09pm

re: #171 Kragar

[Embedded content]Happy to announce we are awarding $1M to Las Vegas - in order to help local law enforcement working OT to respond to last Sunday’s tragedy.

“awarding”

twit

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TedStriker  Oct 11, 2017 • 2:01:20pm

re: #195 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I got a similar briefing except it was “if there’s an earthquake and the NMR tips over, run.”

Because of a coolant release or because of radiological material?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 11, 2017 • 2:01:38pm

FNC? Oh they’re just whining about a Michele Obama bring out of touch with young women. Yeah because that network of old farts is soooo in touch.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 11, 2017 • 2:02:36pm

re: #219 JordanRules

Why would he be paranoid about that? Is there some history there I’m not aware of?

Pence is a weird dude. Bet he’s got some skeletons in his closet.

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ObserverArt  Oct 11, 2017 • 2:03:41pm

re: #206 JordanRules

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When you see your former coworker and wonder what happened.

I was never a big fan of Ed, but damn he sure stooped low to pick up a paycheck. Dude is a bottom dwelling news mercenary.

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 11, 2017 • 2:03:56pm

re: #204 calochortus

There’s a Red Flag Warning for bay area hills and central valley tonight and tomorrow because of high winds and dry conditions.

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EPR-radar  Oct 11, 2017 • 2:04:04pm

re: #219 JordanRules

Why would he be paranoid about that? Is there some history there I’m not aware of?

I’m not aware of anything specific, but there is a strain of MRA nonsense to the effect that most/all women are in the business of making the big bucks from false rape accusations.

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Kragar  Oct 11, 2017 • 2:04:07pm

re: #214 EPR-radar

The other possibility is that Pence is paranoid about the possibility of false accusations from women.

“I don’t trust anything that bleeds for 5 days and doesn’t die.” - Mike Pence

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Interesting Times  Oct 11, 2017 • 2:04:45pm

I would amend this to also say it proves just how ridiculously weak the “immune systems” are of institutional checks and balances:

Facebook Post

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HappyWarrior  Oct 11, 2017 • 2:05:10pm

re: #224 ObserverArt

I was never a big fan of Ed, but damn he sure stooped low to pick up a paycheck. Dude is a bottom dwelling news mercenary.

You ain’t kidding. RT?

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ObserverArt  Oct 11, 2017 • 2:05:59pm

re: #215 wrenchwench

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Cranky otter. Leave me be.

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EPR-radar  Oct 11, 2017 • 2:08:09pm

re: #228 Interesting Times

I would amend this to also say it proves just how ridiculously weak the “immune systems” are of institutional checks and balances:

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Checks and balances sufficed to get rid of Nixon, before the entire GOP was insane. Now that the GOP is insane, there is no such action vs. t**** yet (maybe this happens, maybe it doesn’t).

But realistically, no system of checks and balances will suffice if a large enough part of the electorate remains crazy enough for an extended period of time.

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Interesting Times  Oct 11, 2017 • 2:10:32pm

Oh for the love of fuck… -_-

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Belafon  Oct 11, 2017 • 2:11:10pm

re: #232 Interesting Times

Oh for the love of fuck… -_-

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For those of us who can’t do face book: what is it?

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freetoken  Oct 11, 2017 • 2:11:59pm

re: #233 Belafon

Typical cronyism. Fox guarding the hens type of stuff in regards to pipelines.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 11, 2017 • 2:12:18pm

re: #210 Kragar

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Hey, here’s a crazy thought - if you don’t want to be accused of sexual harrassment, try not sexually harrassing people!

There, now - that wasn’t so hard, was it?

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freetoken  Oct 11, 2017 • 2:12:35pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 11, 2017 • 2:13:08pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 11, 2017 • 2:15:26pm

re: #219 JordanRules

Why would he be paranoid about that? Is there some history there I’m not aware of?

Because women can become rich and famous by falsely accusing men of sexual harrassment. Think of all those women who accused Trump before the election, and what lives of luxury and fame they’re living now!

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dangerman  Oct 11, 2017 • 2:17:54pm

i just got this message: a second error message for when the first error message doesnt process right. not sure if that’s brilliant, lazy or crazy

Description: An exception occurred while processing your request. Additionally, another exception occurred while executing the custom error page for the first exception. The request has been terminated.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 11, 2017 • 2:18:11pm

re: #221 TedStriker

Because of a coolant release or because of radiological material?

Coolant. NMR requires a superconductor and most superconductors have to be pretty cold to maintain superconducting status. (Magnet quenches are baaaaaaad.) So the magnet sits in liquid helium but that boils off really fast so there’s typically a jacket of liquid nitrogen around that. By keeping that topped off (once a week fill), you can cut down on how often the helium needs topping off (depends on the magnet, the one I got to babysit was once every two months).

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 11, 2017 • 2:19:15pm

re: #240 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Coolant. NMR requires a superconductor and most superconductors have to be pretty cold to maintain superconducting status. (Magnet quenches are baaaaaaad.) So the magnet sits in liquid helium but that boils off really fast so there’s typically a jacket of liquid nitrogen around that. By keeping that topped off (once a week fill), you can cut down on how often the helium needs topping off (depends on the magnet, the one I got to babysit was once every two months).

An NMR is basically an MRI for people who aren’t afraid to say the word “nuclear”, as I understand it.

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EPR-radar  Oct 11, 2017 • 2:20:25pm

re: #239 dangerman

i just got this message: a second error message for when the first error message doesnt process right. not sure if that’s brilliant, lazy or crazy

Description: An exception occurred while processing your request. Additionally, another exception occurred while executing the custom error page for the first exception. The request has been terminated.

This error message needs to mention a møøse.

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dangerman  Oct 11, 2017 • 2:21:10pm

re: #231 EPR-radar

Checks and balances sufficed to get rid of Nixon, before the entire GOP was insane. Now that the GOP is insane, there is no such action vs. t**** yet (maybe this happens, maybe it doesn’t).

But realistically, no system of checks and balances will suffice if a large enough part of the electorate remains crazy enough for an extended period of time.

it is difficult to be patient in the short run — watching further damage and destruction - some of which will not be undo-able, not being able to stop it…

…while things churn hopefully and inevitably towards the correcting check and balance in the long run

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Stanley Sea  Oct 11, 2017 • 2:21:29pm

:((((

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 11, 2017 • 2:21:41pm

re: #241 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

An NMR is basically an MRI for people who aren’t afraid to say the word “nuclear”, as I understand it.

Similar principles. Some important differences in sample size, typically. ;)

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EPR-radar  Oct 11, 2017 • 2:22:51pm

re: #241 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

An NMR is basically an MRI for people who aren’t afraid to say the word “nuclear”, as I understand it.

Exactly. That’s one of my pet peeves of terminology. NMR signals have absolutely nothing to do with nuclear radiation, but ‘nuclear’ is such a scary word.

So in medicine with patients it is MRI, and it’s only called NMR in applications which are not public-facing.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 11, 2017 • 2:22:57pm

re: #245 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Similar principles. Some important differences in sample size, typically. ;)

As I understand it, there are some things that go in an NMR that might go “boom” rather, er, vigorously if they were made in a quantity sufficient to run through an MRI.

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A Mom Anon  Oct 11, 2017 • 2:24:00pm

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EPR-radar  Oct 11, 2017 • 2:25:17pm

re: #243 dangerman

it is difficult to be patient in the short run — watching further damage and destruction - some of which will not be undo-able, not being able to stop it…

…while things churn hopefully and inevitably towards the correcting check and balance in the long run

The correction to t****ism and more importantly to the madness that is the 21st century GOP is very much a matter of hope as opposed to any kind of inevitability.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 11, 2017 • 2:27:04pm

re: #248 A Mom Anon

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 11, 2017 • 2:28:36pm

re: #240 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Coolant. NMR requires a superconductor and most superconductors have to be pretty cold to maintain superconducting status. (Magnet quenches are baaaaaaad.) So the magnet sits in liquid helium but that boils off really fast so there’s typically a jacket of liquid nitrogen around that. By keeping that topped off (once a week fill), you can cut down on how often the helium needs topping off (depends on the magnet, the one I got to babysit was once every two months).

We store cells in LN2, in big tanks (Really they’re Dewars, but we call them tanks). In the LN2 storage room, there’s an oxygen sensor and the loudest alarm you can possibly imagine if O2 drops even a bit. Stunningly loud, and I mean that literally - you have to fight against your entire body’s response to move toward it.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 11, 2017 • 2:29:00pm

re: #214 EPR-radar

The other possibility is that Pence is paranoid about the possibility of false accusations from women.

Take it for what it’s worth, but when I did .gov travel with lone female subordinates, I always put them up in a separate (better) hotel. That’s either paranoia or a lesson learned from the experiences of several less-paranoid managers in my career field.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 11, 2017 • 2:29:07pm

re: #248 A Mom Anon

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 11, 2017 • 2:30:15pm

re: #247 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

As I understand it, there are some things that go in an NMR that might go “boom” rather, er, vigorously if they were made in a quantity sufficient to run through an MRI.

Part that. Part instrument size, honestly. I worked with three different NMR spectrometers in grad school, ranging in strength from 9.4T to 18.8T. Big instruments, especially by the time we’re talking about the 18.8, but the 9.4T is still producing a field stronger than most commercial MRIs (which Google tells me max out at about 3T) and is substantially smaller than the MRI.

Our sample sizes were in the 20-50mg range, but that’s because there were some other specialized bits of equipment involved taking up some of the available space inside the magnet.

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wrenchwench  Oct 11, 2017 • 2:30:18pm

re: #248 A Mom Anon

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MOM!

Always good to see you again!

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ObserverArt  Oct 11, 2017 • 2:33:50pm

re: #248 A Mom Anon

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A Mom Anon  Oct 11, 2017 • 2:34:16pm

re: #255 wrenchwench

How are you? How is recovery and biking and all that? Many hugs right back to you!!!

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EPR-radar  Oct 11, 2017 • 2:34:30pm

re: #254 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Part that. Part instrument size, honestly. I worked with three different NMR spectrometers in grad school, ranging in strength from 9.4T to 18.8T. Big instruments, especially by the time we’re talking about the 18.8, but the 9.4T is still producing a field stronger than most commercial MRIs (which Google tells me max out at about 3T) and is substantially smaller than the MRI.

Our sample sizes were in the 20-50mg range, but that’s because there were some other specialized bits of equipment involved taking up some of the available space inside the magnet.

Out of curiosity, did these NMR systems have enough in the way of stray magnetic field that the entire room needed to be kept strictly free of significantly magnetic materials, like the medical facilities have to do with their MRI systems?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 11, 2017 • 2:38:49pm

re: #258 EPR-radar

Out of curiosity, did these NMR systems have enough in the way of stray magnetic field that the entire room needed to be kept strictly free of significantly magnetic materials, like the medical facilities have to do with their MRI systems?

FUN STORIES ABOUT THIS.

Yes, all three have a line on the floor where they will wipe your credit cards if you bring them any closer than that. It’s about 4 feet out from the 9.4, and 15 or so for the 18.

All tools that go in there have to be non-magnetic or you have to have a really fucking good reason for this (don’t get me started on how tight the stupid knob on the dewers could be, that was a nightmare every time I needed to have that wrench involved).

Bobby pins are magnetic.

Once, during some maintenance/upgrades, the computer tech from the company got the frame for the computers too close to the magnet. Oops. Company had to come out, power down the magnet to remove the frame, recool and restart it, and verify no damage had been done. That took two months. Predated my time at grad school.

As an aside, those really unreactive surfaces that they use for lab benches/sinks don’t react well to having liquid nitrogen dumped down the drain. (Also not me, but one of the fractured chunks was kept in the grad student office as a reminder not to be an idiot.)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 11, 2017 • 2:41:37pm

re: #248 A Mom Anon

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EPR-radar  Oct 11, 2017 • 2:44:06pm

re: #259 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Campfire tales of scientists always make me happy.

Then I start thinking about how useless a faith-based approach to this would be (e.g., I can walk into the NMR room with a pipe wrench and there will be no problem because I believe there will be no problem) and how politically popular faith-based reality-denial is.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 11, 2017 • 2:46:01pm

And here I was, imagining Apple having a number of storage units all over the world that look like this….

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Oct 11, 2017 • 2:46:20pm

re: #261 EPR-radar

I love them myself, always fun to hear just how close things are to going “epic shit storm” wrong. lol

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Stanley Sea  Oct 11, 2017 • 2:46:24pm

21 now confirmed dead in CA fires

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Kilroy was here  Oct 11, 2017 • 2:46:45pm

The only Eminem Trump likes…

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Unshaken Defiance  Oct 11, 2017 • 2:47:10pm

re: #264 Stanley Sea

How awful

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dangerman  Oct 11, 2017 • 2:47:50pm

re: #248 A Mom Anon

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{{{mom,}}}

I am having to walk myself through each day one step at a time

in our own individual ways, we all do this. every day. we do what we can. with what’s available in our tank. that day. we can’t do more — run a faster race, get more done at work, if we are already at our honest limit. that day.

for all of us:
this is why i can never complain. strong, struggling people like {{mom}} and my pal toni. any monumental problems i woke up with are mere flyspecks.

and it’s why birthdays are odd. i should be celebrating today? what’s today? is the world fixed? are people not in need? was it different yesterday or will it be tomorrow?

no. every day we live and breath holds a certain kind of hope and promise. i look for a little of that and i try to share a little of that.

its all i got

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Oct 11, 2017 • 2:47:53pm

re: #264 Stanley Sea

I know the other day the one down here was bad, what’s going on up north is insane.

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retired cynic  Oct 11, 2017 • 2:48:09pm

Charlie Pierce makes a serious call for President Obama to come to the rescue. IMO, he can talk, and even that is enough to make the crazies louder. Boy, I wish we could go “shazam” and have him back! The direct call to Obama starts about halfway through the essay.

esquire.com

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Bubblehead II  Oct 11, 2017 • 2:48:40pm

Just a reminder. We have a Space X launch in about an hour.

SpaceX is targeting launch of EchoStar 105/SES-11 from Launch Complex 39A (LC-39A) at NASA’s Kennedy Space Center, Florida. The two-hour launch window opens on Wednesday, October 11 at 6:53 p.m. EDT,

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ObserverArt  Oct 11, 2017 • 2:49:04pm

re: #264 Stanley Sea

21 now confirmed dead in CA fires

I heard that a couple 101 and 98 died in the fire. That really bummed me out. Just too sad.

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EPR-radar  Oct 11, 2017 • 2:50:13pm

re: #261 EPR-radar

Campfire tales of scientists always make me happy.

Speaking of these, there is (finally) a new entry in Things I won’t work with blogs.sciencemag.org

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stpaulbear  Oct 11, 2017 • 2:52:13pm

re: #207 HappyWarrior

Never liked Ed. Glad my spidey sense was right about him.

I never paid much attention to Ed but I really hated the way that he self-promoted himself during the Wisconsin state employee protests in Madison when Walker & the Koch brothers shafted them. Ed kept himself firmly planted in the middle of the spotlight while he was there.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 11, 2017 • 2:53:20pm

re: #259 klys (maker of Silmarils)

FUN STORIES ABOUT THIS.

Yes, all three have a line on the floor where they will wipe your credit cards if you bring them any closer than that. It’s about 4 feet out from the 9.4, and 15 or so for the 18.

All tools that go in there have to be non-magnetic or you have to have a really fucking good reason for this (don’t get me started on how tight the stupid knob on the dewers could be, that was a nightmare every time I needed to have that wrench involved).

Bobby pins are magnetic.

Once, during some maintenance/upgrades, the computer tech from the company got the frame for the computers too close to the magnet. Oops. Company had to come out, power down the magnet to remove the frame, recool and restart it, and verify no damage had been done. That took two months. Predated my time at grad school.

As an aside, those really unreactive surfaces that they use for lab benches/sinks don’t react well to having liquid nitrogen dumped down the drain. (Also not me, but one of the fractured chunks was kept in the grad student office as a reminder not to be an idiot.)

Someone did that at a company where i worked. Didn’t fracture the sink, but did blow out the traps in that and a couple nearby ones.

BTW, if you need to collect some LN2 in, for example, an ice bucket, you get to hear a sound reminiscent of Hell’s Cappuccino Machine as the LN2 trying to go down the hose boils away and N2 gas blows through the phase separator at the end.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 11, 2017 • 2:54:13pm

re: #273 stpaulbear

I never paid much attention to Ed but I really hated the way that he self-promoted himself during the Wisconsin state employee protests in Madison when Walker & the Koch brothers shafted them. Ed kept himself firmly planted in the middle of the spotlight while he was there.

Can’t say I blame you. Wasn’t aware of that.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 11, 2017 • 2:54:48pm

re: #274 Blind Frog Belly White

Someone did that at a company where i worked. Didn’t fracture the sink, but did blow out the traps in that and a couple nearby ones.

BTW, if you need to collect some LN2 in, for example, an ice bucket, you get to hear a sound reminiscent of Hell’s Cappuccino Machine as the LN2 trying to go down the hose boils away and N2 gas blows through the phase separator at the end.

All this talk about LN2 and now I want ice cream.

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jaunte  Oct 11, 2017 • 2:56:31pm

re: #210 Kragar

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 11, 2017 • 2:56:52pm

re: #276 klys (maker of Silmarils)

All this talk about LN2 and now I want ice cream.

Can’t help you there, but if you want thousands of vials of frozen cells, I’m your man.

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wrenchwench  Oct 11, 2017 • 2:58:22pm

re: #257 A Mom Anon

How are you? How is recovery and biking and all that? Many hugs right back to you!!!

I’m getting around fine. You can’t tell by looking that I feel like I’m bouncing on springs when I walk. I called it ‘vertical dizziness’ to a guy last week, I’m always looking for a way to describe it. I took a week off the bike, which has turned into a week and a half, somehow. It’s not fun like it used to be, and I’m still running for the exercise I miss from biking. I took a month off from running because of a side-effect from a med., but I got through that. I could say ‘I’m back to normal’, but I don’t even know what that means anymore. I have developed increased empathy from my ordeal, and you bring that out in me, too. My problems are nothing serious when I see what others are coping with.

Thanks for asking {{{MOM}}}.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 11, 2017 • 2:59:52pm

re: #278 Blind Frog Belly White

Can’t help you there, but if you want thousands of vials of frozen cells, I’m your man.

Dude, we just need 1-2L of LN2. Surely you can hook a girl up.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 11, 2017 • 3:03:21pm

re: #280 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Dude, we just need 1-2L of LN2. Surely you can hook a girl up.

You should talk to the guy with the big tanker who delivers it.

BTW, our tanks are largely vapor phase now. So much better than the old liquid phase days, where all your boxes full of vials were submerged. You’d pull out a stack, which was extra heavy because it was full of LN2, and have to wait while it all drained back out.

And if your vials weren’t REALLY REALLY SEALED, LN2 would have seeped in and when they started to warm….

*BANG!*

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A Mom Anon  Oct 11, 2017 • 3:03:41pm

re: #279 wrenchwench

Our brains are kind of amazing and weird. When my son was little I spent lots of time immersed in neurological journals and research papers and the like(mostly related to autism and other brain development issues) and some of the cases astounded me. How people came back from injuries that would have been fatal just 20 yrs ago. I’m just glad you’re healing bit by bit.

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EPR-radar  Oct 11, 2017 • 3:04:19pm

re: #269 retired cynic

Charlie Pierce makes a serious call for President Obama to come to the rescue. IMO, he can talk, and even that is enough to make the crazies louder. Boy, I wish we could go “shazam” and have him back! The direct call to Obama starts about halfway through the essay.

esquire.com

That’s a good essay. For example:

Long ago, I wrote that your capital error in politics was that you offered this country absolution without demanding penance. Look at where that’s gotten us. If you honestly believe in the America you described in Boston, then goddamn it, fight for it against the people to whom it is anathema. It’s time to join the resistance full-time, if you have the stomach for it. A madman is begetting more madmen and, frankly, I don’t know how much time we have left.

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Unshaken Defiance  Oct 11, 2017 • 3:06:52pm

re: #281 Blind Frog Belly White

You guys make me feel much better about my mere combustion work. Lotta burn, but no bang.

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retired cynic  Oct 11, 2017 • 3:07:32pm

re: #283 EPR-radar

That’s a good essay. For example:

Favorite commenter Barry Friedman:

“There was a red America and a blue America. There was also a raging, ignorant America that wanted your head on a stick from the moment that your hand came off the Bible.”
Listen to Charlie.
Notwithstanding their love affair with their coal jobs, hatred of men name Juan, and the sense that some black man somewhere (you, for instance) got into Harvard, while their perfectly normal, average white children didn’t, they despised you for not sitting quietly in the waiting room of their America, eating the crumbs off the small plates left by the real partygoers.
Listen to Charlie.
They will come after you like amnesic banshees for reemerging, but they hate you anyway. As Grandma Sylvia used to say, “Give something to cry about.”

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 11, 2017 • 3:07:54pm

re: #284 Unshaken Defiance

I got to work that end of the temperature spectrum too!

We were full range.

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retired cynic  Oct 11, 2017 • 3:08:00pm

re: #284 Unshaken Defiance

You guys make me feel much better about my mere combustion work. Lotta burn, but no bang.

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How to Tame Your Dragon!

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 11, 2017 • 3:08:48pm

re: #284 Unshaken Defiance

You guys make me feel much better about my mere combustion work. Lotta burn, but no bang.

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I used to blow stuff up semi-professionally. I was trained as a pyrotechnician.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 11, 2017 • 3:10:22pm

re: #284 Unshaken Defiance

You guys make me feel much better about my mere combustion work. Lotta burn, but no bang.

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I did have a friend who kept dripping burning ethanol on himself because he refused to set his bench up right for spreading bacteria. Does that count?

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bratwurst  Oct 11, 2017 • 3:10:31pm

We are SO fucked.

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BadgerB  Oct 11, 2017 • 3:10:58pm

re: #92 scottslemmons

Made me think of this…
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freetoken  Oct 11, 2017 • 3:11:04pm

Watched the second episode of this season’s Finding Your Roots. Like the first episode, packed full of tragic stories.

pbs.org

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Decatur Deb  Oct 11, 2017 • 3:13:21pm

re: #288 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I used to blow stuff up semi-professionally. I was trained as a pyrotechnician.

Worked with people from all over the explosives community. The guys who developed pyro were disconcertingly enthusiastic.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 11, 2017 • 3:14:30pm

re: #293 Decatur Deb

Worked with people from all over the explosives community. The guys who developed pyro were disconcertingly enthusiastic.

Maxim 3 applies in spades. Like the one time one of my crew left the ammo container open during a shoot and almost touched off the whole thing…

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stpaulbear  Oct 11, 2017 • 3:15:39pm

re: #285 retired cynic

Favorite commenter Barry Friedman:

“They will come after you like amnesic banshees for reemerging, but they hate you anyway. As Grandma Sylvia used to say, ‘Give something to cry about.’ “

That’s my biggest concern about Obama stepping back into the spotlight. The NYT (for one) and most of cable news would be nothing but think pieces about how Obama should ‘respect’ the presidency. They need to focus on digging into Trump and his administration.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 11, 2017 • 3:16:25pm

I had somehow missed that Shaun King is now writing for The Intercept.

I find I’m not terribly surprised though.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 11, 2017 • 3:17:52pm

re: #290 bratwurst

We are SO fucked.

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JFC.

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EPR-radar  Oct 11, 2017 • 3:19:37pm

re: #296 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I had somehow missed that Shaun King is now writing for The Intercept.

I find I’m not terribly surprised though.

That’s a damn shame. Credibility lost is not easily regained (by non-RWNJs) and working at the Intercept will not help with this.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 11, 2017 • 3:21:12pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 11, 2017 • 3:21:32pm

re: #292 freetoken

Watched the second episode of this season’s Finding Your Roots. Like the first episode, packed full of tragic stories.

pbs.org

Love this show.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 11, 2017 • 3:24:06pm

re: #299 Dave In Austin

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Wow. Reading the comments on the original tweet was encouraging bigly. It almost makes me think there aren’t as many stupid people as it seems.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 11, 2017 • 3:24:14pm

re: #299 Dave In Austin

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Kelly Anne who attacked Trump’s sexual harassment accusers as liars?

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Cheechako  Oct 11, 2017 • 3:24:15pm
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makeitstop  Oct 11, 2017 • 3:25:06pm

re: #248 A Mom Anon

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HappyWarrior  Oct 11, 2017 • 3:25:11pm

re: #300 GlutenFreeJesus

Love this show.

I need to watch it. It sounds fascinating.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 11, 2017 • 3:25:30pm

re: #294 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I used to blow stuff up in an underground mine. 500lbs of prill and powder at a time.

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Unshaken Defiance  Oct 11, 2017 • 3:26:11pm

re: #288 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

That’s really cool. There is a metallurgical experiment I always wanted to try. I was told one can make amazing alloys by mixing the elements with a “shaped charge”. Prolly ought not look that up on Google and see how to. But the right guy and the right facility…

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Dave In Austin  Oct 11, 2017 • 3:27:18pm

re: #301 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Wow. Reading the comments on the original tweet was encouraging bigly. It almost makes me think there aren’t as many stupid people as it seems.

I think the worm is slowly turning.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 11, 2017 • 3:28:07pm

re: #307 Unshaken Defiance

That’s really cool. There is a metallurgical experiment I always wanted to try. I was told one can make amazing alloys by mixing the elements with a “shaped charge”. Prolly ought not look that up on Google and see how to. But the right guy and the right facility…

Basically, a shaped charge is welding with explosives. Now mind you, you’ve got to have some way of capturing the output, which is… problematic when the “output” is a stream of high-velocity metallic plasma. But that’s a problem for the engineers.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 11, 2017 • 3:30:01pm

re: #306 Dave In Austin

I used to blow stuff up in an underground mine. 500lbs of prill and powder at a time.

Oh, good. You and I are probably on the same FBI watch lists, then.

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wrenchwench  Oct 11, 2017 • 3:30:43pm

re: #282 A Mom Anon

Our brains are kind of amazing and weird. When my son was little I spent lots of time immersed in neurological journals and research papers and the like(mostly related to autism and other brain development issues) and some of the cases astounded me. How people came back from injuries that would have been fatal just 20 yrs ago. I’m just glad you’re healing bit by bit.

I had a great reply almost finished, then two customers came in and each paid me most of what they owe, and I lost my comment, but I have my cash and I’ll quit here.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 11, 2017 • 3:34:22pm

re: #310 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Oh, good. You and I are probably on the same FBI watch lists, then.

Not me, I was just a hard rock miner in Colorado at the time. Reagan was Pres at the time. Got driven out by the downturn in the metals market and a broken back in the mid 80’s.

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ObserverArt  Oct 11, 2017 • 3:34:42pm

I’m running around getting my scaffold platforms all ready for the next few days of dry weather and I have the TV on.

I heard Ari Melber talking to someone about reports coming from the White House staff they are afraid Trump is coming unglued.

I think I heard unstable, erratic, angry. One report from someone close to Trump, his right hand man from Trump Tower, was saying Donny told him “I hate everyone in the White House. There are a few I can tolerate, but I hate everyone.”

Like I had posted with the video of Mr. Creosote from Monty Python Meaning of Life a couple weeks ago…all he needs is one thin mint and he is going to explode.

I sure hope it is becoming clearer to the GOP congress they need to act before he blows up and blows us all up.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 11, 2017 • 3:35:55pm
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Stanley Sea  Oct 11, 2017 • 3:36:08pm

re: #313 ObserverArt

I’m trying to find the quote, but I can’t yet - Sara Murray from CNN just said that answering a question about Tillerson, the yam seemed to forget he had lunch with him yesterday.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 11, 2017 • 3:36:30pm

re: #312 Dave In Austin

Not me, I was just a hard rock miner in Colorado at the time. Reagan was Pres at the time. Got driven out by the downturn in the metals market and a broken back in the mid 80’s.

It’s just a joke I make about being a person who handled explosives. Truth be told, I don’t think they really keep an eye on everyone who’s ever blown something up, mostly because that would be a LOT of people. And while commercial fireworks are basically mortars, we’re trained to prevent them from killing people.

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EPR-radar  Oct 11, 2017 • 3:38:54pm

re: #314 goddamnedfrank

So now we see how many Congressional Republicans decide to follow t**** off this particular cliff. If they start seeing this as a distraction from the vital business of getting tax cuts for the rich done, t**** may not like the results.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 11, 2017 • 3:39:10pm

re: #316 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I have a good friend here in Austin that sets up the pyro displays every year. Filthy work.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 11, 2017 • 3:40:53pm

re: #318 Dave In Austin

I have a good friend here in Austin that sets up the pyro displays every year. Filthy work.

It’s an arduous job, and don’t discount the danger. I only did it for 4 measly years, and yet I almost got blown up twice (see the ammo box incident, plus another, slightly scarier story) and watched my dad come within about 10 feet of losing his, well, feet. But for all that, fun as all hell. There’s nothing like the thump of the big guns going off right behind your back.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 11, 2017 • 3:41:27pm

re: #314 goddamnedfrank

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So basically decertification needs to happen to spite Obama.

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dangerman  Oct 11, 2017 • 3:42:09pm

re: #313 ObserverArt

I’m running around getting my scaffold platforms all ready for the next few days of dry weather and I have the TV on.

I heard Ari Melber talking to someone about reports coming from the White House staff they are afraid Trump is coming unglued.

I think I heard unstable, erratic, angry. One report from someone close to Trump, his right hand man from Trump Tower was saying Donny told him “I hate everyone in the White House. There are a few I can tolerate, but I hate everyone.”

Like I had posted with the video of Mr. Creosote from Monty Python Meaning of Life a couple weeks ago…all he needs is one thin mint and he is going to explode.

I sure hope it is becoming clearer to the GOP congress they need to act before he blows up and blows us all up.

Advisers Fear Trump Is ‘Unstable’ and ‘Unraveling’

and….and….and???
wtf is anyone doing?

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 11, 2017 • 3:45:40pm
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b.d. (bill d.)  Oct 11, 2017 • 3:45:40pm

re: #321 dangerman

Advisers Fear Trump Is ‘Unstable’ and ‘Unraveling’

and….and….and???
wtf is anyone doing?

Don’t worry, the ex-generals amd current military are really in charge.

How freaking scary and true is that?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 11, 2017 • 3:46:16pm

re: #322 goddamnedfrank

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Glad they’re focused on the important issues there.

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IngisKahn  Oct 11, 2017 • 3:46:57pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 11, 2017 • 3:46:58pm

re: #323 b.d. (bill d.)

Don’t worry, the ex-generals amd current military are really in charge.

How freaking scary and true is that?

What’s disturbing is there’s a lot of people in this country that would probably be just fine with that.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 11, 2017 • 3:47:06pm

re: #321 dangerman

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ObserverArt  Oct 11, 2017 • 3:47:23pm

re: #321 dangerman

Advisers Fear Trump Is ‘Unstable’ and ‘Unraveling’

and….and….and???
wtf is anyone doing?

Yeah, that must be the report Melber was talking about on his show.

I have a feeling it won’t be long for him. It sounds like those around him are running out of excuses for the crazy.

But then, maybe I am being too optimistic…again.

If this is all true, there will be pressure from outside on the GOP COngress to do something. These kinds of reports will not do well in the business world. Dollars are more important than Trump as president.

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A Mom Anon  Oct 11, 2017 • 3:48:00pm

I keep trying to think of something, anything I can do to bring some joy and happiness back to the world. What I miss having is a sense of community in real life. It’s so hard here. This is a very red county, as are most of the surrounding areas. People are just so fucking MEAN right now. I know not everyone is like this, but I honestly am so tired of trying to find people who aren’t assholes who hate liberals that I want to quit. What our neighbors did to us has pretty much ruined my faith in the people around here. I know I shouldn’t generalize, but we were neighbors for 20 years and they just stopped talking to us once they got that check. They even screamed “FUCK YOU” at us from their front yard before they left. Why? They got 300K for a house that was worth about 175K (three 500K houses will go on their .88 acres out of the 18 her dad owned) and they are pissed at us? AND the developer let them take all the appliances, cabinets, windows, etc they wanted to use in their “dream home” they’re building on the 33 acres they bought about 30 miles north of here. And we’re the assholes?

Sigh. I hate Georgia. I really do.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 11, 2017 • 3:48:35pm

re: #328 ObserverArt

Yeah, that must be the report Melber was talking about on his show.

I have a feeling it won’t be long for him. It sounds like those around him are running out of excuses for the crazy.

But then, maybe I am being too optimistic…again.

If this is all true, there will be pressure from outside on the GOP COngress to do something. These kinds of reports will not do well in the business world. Dollars are more important than Trump as president.

Dollars are important, sure but their political survival is too. I think as long as Trump remains popular with the GOP base, you’re not going to see really any kind of leadership by Congressional Republicans.

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ObserverArt  Oct 11, 2017 • 3:49:06pm

re: #325 IngisKahn

6 minutes to launch

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Got a tab open and going. I’m ready. I really enjoy their launches and their coverage. I hope young kids are watching.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Oct 11, 2017 • 3:49:33pm

re: #326 HappyWarrior

What’s disturbing is there’s a lot of people in this country that would probably be just fine with that.

Let’s hope that there aren’t any Curtis LeMays hanging around.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 11, 2017 • 3:49:38pm

re: #329 A Mom Anon

I keep trying to think of something, anything I can do to bring some joy and happiness back to the world. What I miss having is a sense of community in real life. It’s so hard here. This is a very red county, as are most of the surrounding areas. People are just so fucking MEAN right now. I know not everyone is like this, but I honestly am so tired of trying to find people who aren’t assholes who hate liberals that I want to quit. What our neighbors did to us has pretty much ruined my faith in the people around here. I know I shouldn’t generalize, but we were neighbors for 20 years and they just stopped talking to us once they got that check. They even screamed “FUCK YOU” at us from their front yard before they left. Why? They got 300K for a house that was worth about 175K (three 500K houses will go on their .88 acres out of the 18 her dad owned) and they are pissed at us? AND the developer let them take all the appliances, cabinets, windows, etc they wanted to use in their “dream home” they’re building on the 33 acres they bought about 30 miles north of here. And we’re the assholes?

Sigh. I hate Georgia. I really do.

I’m tired of being told we’re the real hateful ones because we push back against the hate. I’m tired of being told that opposing Spencer’s hate makes one just as bad as him. I’m tired of BLM being likened to the KKK by people who see nothing wrong with the actual KKK making a comeback.

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EPR-radar  Oct 11, 2017 • 3:50:26pm

re: #321 dangerman

Advisers Fear Trump Is ‘Unstable’ and ‘Unraveling’

and….and….and???
wtf is anyone doing?

If the shit really hits the fan and we end up with Washington War Crimes trials after a t****-started nuclear war, every Republican in congress needs to face the same war crimes charges that t**** does.

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 11, 2017 • 3:50:47pm

Everyone re-tweet this motherfucker…

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ObserverArt  Oct 11, 2017 • 3:50:56pm

re: #327 Dave In Austin

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Heh. I made the comments about Mr. Creosote. That’s is one of my most loved comedy scenes of all time.

That dispenser is too funny.

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Bubblehead II  Oct 11, 2017 • 3:51:51pm
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Kragar  Oct 11, 2017 • 3:52:54pm
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Bubblehead II  Oct 11, 2017 • 3:53:08pm

We have lift off.

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A Mom Anon  Oct 11, 2017 • 3:53:52pm

re: #333 HappyWarrior

Our little town has an openly visible member of the KKK who has a shop in the downtown area. His name is Dent Myers, look him up if you want to weep for humanity. He wins local civic awards all the time. All kinds of traitorous flags adorn the front of his shop. And he’s a pillar of the community.

I have got to get out of here. I really cannot take it anymore.

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William Lewis  Oct 11, 2017 • 3:55:20pm

re: #316 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

It’s just a joke I make about being a person who handled explosives. Truth be told, I don’t think they really keep an eye on everyone who’s ever blown something up, mostly because that would be a LOT of people. And while commercial fireworks are basically mortars, we’re trained to prevent them from killing people.

Sigh. All this talk of boom-booms makes me think back to the days of demolitions training in the scout platoon of an Infantry battalion. We had lots of fun using up old C4 & TNT blocks & several Bangalore torpedoes out on the range. Right up till the 40 lb shaped cratering charge failed to go off the first time. Cap simply blew off the top and failed to ignite the composition B main charge. The senior NCO’s (not me - at that time just a corporal :) had to go down and wire a TNT block into the hole left by the burst cap and then come back up and fire that. Which did go boom very nicely and left a hole that would have held an ammonium nitrate cratering charge perfectly. It also rattled the Post’s CG office all the way from our ranges. Seems there was a 10lb limit on that range … < whistles innocently >

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Bubblehead II  Oct 11, 2017 • 3:55:22pm

2nd engine chill started.

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Bubblehead II  Oct 11, 2017 • 3:55:48pm

Meco.

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wrenchwench  Oct 11, 2017 • 3:57:06pm
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Bubblehead II  Oct 11, 2017 • 3:57:12pm

& 1st stage separation & 2nd stage ignition Now comes the landing of the 1st stage.

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A Mom Anon  Oct 11, 2017 • 3:57:58pm

I hhttps://Chris Cornell - Carry On - Safe and Sound

I have to go, for now, but I wanted to leave you with this. It’s so lovely. Much love to all of you.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 11, 2017 • 3:58:15pm

re: #341 William Lewis

Sigh. All this talk of boom-booms makes me think back to the days of demolitions training in the scout platoon of an Infantry battalion. We had lots of fun using up old C4 & TNT blocks & several Bangalore torpedoes out on the range. Right up till the 40 lb shaped cratering charge failed to go off the first time. Cap simply blew off the top and failed to ignite the composition B main charge. The senior NCO’s (not me - at that time just a corporal :) had to go down and wire a TNT block into the hole left by the burst cap and then come back up and fire that. Which did go boom very nicely and left a hole that would have held an ammonium nitrate cratering charge perfectly. It also rattled the Post’s CG office all the way from our ranges. Seems there was a 10lb limit on that range … < whistles innocently >

I got smacked in the side of the head by a piece of flaming debris from a shell departing at high velocity. Freaked me right the hell out, I thought I’d gotten hit bad. Realizing that my head was still attached to my shoulders, it was on with the show. That was my first year.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 11, 2017 • 3:59:04pm

re: #338 Kragar

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The accounts supporting Trump are obvious fakes.

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Bubblehead II  Oct 11, 2017 • 3:59:36pm

Entry burn. 1st stage

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Bubblehead II  Oct 11, 2017 • 4:00:04pm

Does’ it go splat!

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 11, 2017 • 4:00:41pm

re: #329 A Mom Anon

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Bubblehead II  Oct 11, 2017 • 4:00:46pm

Lost the 1st stage down link

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whitebeach  Oct 11, 2017 • 4:02:01pm

Just watched NBC nightly news. They stand by their story on the nukes, saying that they have three sources who were in the meeting. They meet Mattis’s objection saying that Trump never “called for” a large increase in US nuclear arms by pointing out that they never said he “called for” this, but that he discussed it.

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TedStriker  Oct 11, 2017 • 4:02:20pm

re: #325 IngisKahn

6 minutes to launch

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Video

Stuck the landing…AGAIN!

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Bubblehead II  Oct 11, 2017 • 4:02:35pm

It landed. #18 successful landing.

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CleverToad  Oct 11, 2017 • 4:03:19pm

re: #248 A Mom Anon

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ObserverArt  Oct 11, 2017 • 4:03:44pm

re: #330 HappyWarrior

Dollars are important, sure but their political survival is too. I think as long as Trump remains popular with the GOP base, you’re not going to see really any kind of leadership by Congressional Republicans.

One of Melber’s guest also addressed that. New polling is apparently showing Trump now losing his base. It is not huge, but it is declining. That is one reason Trump is losing it about picking the wrong horse in the Alabama run-off. He sees that as his base abandoning him.

Believe me, I do understand hesitancy. But this Orange Mess is going to make it noticeable to everyone he is unfit.

By the way…SpaceX just had another successful landing of the first stage rocket on their drone ship.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 11, 2017 • 4:03:47pm

re: #325 IngisKahn

Perfect launch and recovery!!

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A Mom Anon  Oct 11, 2017 • 4:06:16pm

re: #351 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Yeah, the dems around here suck. They tend to be either blue dog types or total loons who want to blow shit up for laughs (not literally, electorally). I’m thinking of maybe volunteering at a farm that does horse therapy about 10 miles from me. They work with kids with disabilities and veterans suffering from PTSD. I may have a wait, they sometimes have more volunteers than they need. I need to find some peace, and figure out where we should move too. Thanks, Klys.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 11, 2017 • 4:06:43pm

re: #329 A Mom Anon

I keep trying to think of something, anything I can do to bring some joy and happiness back to the world. What I miss having is a sense of community in real life. It’s so hard here. This is a very red county, as are most of the surrounding areas. People are just so fucking MEAN right now. I know not everyone is like this, but I honestly am so tired of trying to find people who aren’t assholes who hate liberals that I want to quit. What our neighbors did to us has pretty much ruined my faith in the people around here. I know I shouldn’t generalize, but we were neighbors for 20 years and they just stopped talking to us once they got that check. They even screamed “FUCK YOU” at us from their front yard before they left. Why? They got 300K for a house that was worth about 175K (three 500K houses will go on their .88 acres out of the 18 her dad owned) and they are pissed at us? AND the developer let them take all the appliances, cabinets, windows, etc they wanted to use in their “dream home” they’re building on the 33 acres they bought about 30 miles north of here. And we’re the assholes?

Sigh. I hate Georgia. I really do.

My father made himself persona non grata for trying to block a subdivision back in fish country. As it turned out, he was right; putting the subdivision in did untold water damage to the surrounding farms, as well as improper drainage that left the homeowners plagued with flooding problems. Oh, and they tried to stake out part of his property when they laid out the stakes, just to spite him (he caught it and raised holy hell until it went away). In the end, he sold the house and moved away… come to find out, we had the last laugh - the shady character he sold to wound up burning the house down for the insurance money. So the moral of this story is: WHEN you leave, find the sketchiest person imaginable who can pay the absolute minimum you need in order to get out. Then laugh hysterically when your “neighbors” realize how good they previously had it.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 11, 2017 • 4:08:12pm

This one may get me the boot

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ObserverArt  Oct 11, 2017 • 4:09:56pm

re: #353 whitebeach

Just watched NBC nightly news. They stand by their story on the nukes, saying that they have three sources who were in the meeting. They meet Mattis’s objection saying that Trump never “called for” a large increase in US nuclear arms by pointing out that they never said he “called for” this, but that he discussed it.

Heh. I commented earlier there was wiggle room in Mattis’ statement. That is the Trump WH way. If they have any creativity, it is in dancing around things by very creative wording that is really just a lie.

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EPR-radar  Oct 11, 2017 • 4:11:35pm

re: #362 ObserverArt

Heh. I commented earlier there was wiggle room in Mattis’ statement. That is the Trump WH way. If they have any creativity, it is in dancing around things by very creative wording that is really just a lie.

One simply must take a White House denial of X as a confirmation of X, for any X.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 11, 2017 • 4:12:59pm

re: #359 A Mom Anon

Yeah, the dems around here suck. They tend to be either blue dog types or total loons who want to blow shit up for laughs (not literally, electorally). I’m thinking of maybe volunteering at a farm that does horse therapy about 10 miles from me. They work with kids with disabilities and veterans suffering from PTSD. I may have a wait, they sometimes have more volunteers than they need. I need to find some peace, and figure out where we should move too. Thanks, Klys.

Volunteering is a good tactic. I wrote above that I’m trying to combat how I’ve been feeling lately by being kind and making that a priority. (Which is not to say that I advocate wasting your time on assholes, that would be something else.)

/hugs

I’m wishing you all the best here.

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EPR-radar  Oct 11, 2017 • 4:15:00pm

re: #362 ObserverArt

Heh. I commented earlier there was wiggle room in Mattis’ statement. That is the Trump WH way. If they have any creativity, it is in dancing around things by very creative wording that is really just a lie.

The W Bush crowd was much better at this dark art.

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Bubblehead II  Oct 11, 2017 • 4:18:00pm

Night Lizards. Been an interesting day. But the spaghetti isn’t going to make isn’t going to make itself.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 11, 2017 • 4:20:53pm

I mentioned above that I kinda feel like things are changing as far as public opinion (which has never been good). Maybe we’re getting a bit more fed up. Bannon even stated in Vanity Fair that he probably only have a 30% chance of completing his term if things keep going this direction.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 11, 2017 • 4:33:08pm
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Dave In Austin  Oct 11, 2017 • 4:34:31pm

God damn it…..

Killed thread

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scottslemmons  Oct 11, 2017 • 4:35:56pm

re: #369 Dave In Austin

God damn it…..

Killed the tread

THERE, SEE! I AM NOT THE ONLY VIOLENT ONE ON THIS SITE, I AM FAR FROM THE ONLY VIOLENT ONE ON THIS SITE JUST BECAUSE I WANT TO FIND THE TRUMPERS AND USE THE KNIVES AND THE CROWBARS AND THE VERY TINY PINS AND THE

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 11, 2017 • 4:38:27pm

re: #370 scottslemmons

I’m just going to say that this is the kind of shit that resulted in PLL’s suspensions.

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meteor  Oct 11, 2017 • 4:38:37pm

re: #12 jaunte

Get him like they got Al Capone!

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retired cynic  Oct 11, 2017 • 4:40:22pm

re: #359 A Mom Anon

Yeah, the dems around here suck. They tend to be either blue dog types or total loons who want to blow shit up for laughs (not literally, electorally). I’m thinking of maybe volunteering at a farm that does horse therapy about 10 miles from me. They work with kids with disabilities and veterans suffering from PTSD. I may have a wait, they sometimes have more volunteers than they need. I need to find some peace, and figure out where we should move too. Thanks, Klys.

I have a dear friend who works at one of these, and loves it very much.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 11, 2017 • 4:41:23pm

On a purely selfish note, uggggggggggggggh this needs to not be a thing tomorrow in the South Bay.

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lawhawk  Oct 11, 2017 • 4:42:48pm

Media mendacity 101.

Reporter notes Trump complaining about the 1A would be a weeks long story for any other president. Then doesn’t realize his own organization has repeatedly diminished stories critical of Trump and underplays the failures of this administration on a daily basis.

NYT sets tone on reporting of national news, along with the WaPo, and yet both outlets treat the gossip-y aspects as more important than the fact that Trump has failed Puerto Rico and is going backwards on restoring power and basic services. That should be an above-the-fold and in a regularly updated infographic on the Times site. Do I have to think of everything?

Then there’s the fact that Trump is trampling all over the Constitution, his own party considers him incompetent to be in office, but are too craven to remove him because their party is so fucked up that they would have open warfare among their white supremacist base who think Trump’s doing gods work (Cthulhu), and those who think Trump isn’t destroying government fast enough.

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EPR-radar  Oct 11, 2017 • 4:43:47pm

re: #374 klys (maker of Silmarils)

On a purely selfish note, uggggggggggggggh this needs to not be a thing tomorrow in the South Bay.

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I have a chronic cough anyway, and this smoke shit is not helping.

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EPR-radar  Oct 11, 2017 • 4:48:45pm

re: #375 lawhawk

One thing that the NYT and WaPo don’t get about present day US politics is that the US is an enlightenment project and so is the profession of journalism that they are supposed to be practicing.

The Republicans have become an anti-enlightenment party, and the WaPo and NYT will be first up against the wall if the GOP ever seizes power for real.

So the NYT and WaPo need to start reporting straight news adversarially vs. the Republicans at all times as if their lives depended on it, because they do.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 11, 2017 • 4:50:50pm

re: #376 EPR-radar

I have a chronic cough anyway, and this smoke shit is not helping.

It’s gone downhill as the day has gone on.

I’m going to have to evaluate my run tomorrow morning. I’m hoping the morning might be better, like it has been the past few.

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ObserverArt  Oct 11, 2017 • 4:51:44pm

re: #377 EPR-radar

One thing that the NYT and WaPo don’t get about present day US politics is that the US is an enlightenment project and so is the profession of journalism that they are supposed to be practicing.

The Republicans have become an anti-enlightenment party, and the WaPo and NYT will be first up against the wall if the GOP ever seizes power for real.

So the NYT and WaPo need to start reporting straight news adversarially vs. the Republicans at all times as if their lives depended on it, because they do.

They are being blind if they don’t see it that way already. Trump has clearly used both as targets. I remember him dumping on them in the primary and election stump speeches.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 11, 2017 • 4:51:56pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 11, 2017 • 4:53:15pm

re: #380 goddamnedfrank

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If this dumbass is going to insult her, he should at least spell her name fucking right.

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Skip Intro  Oct 11, 2017 • 4:54:26pm

re: #381 HappyWarrior

that’s part of the insult.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 11, 2017 • 4:54:44pm

re: #382 Skip Intro

that’s part of the insult.

Ah good point.

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EPR-radar  Oct 11, 2017 • 4:54:53pm

re: #380 goddamnedfrank

So, has t**** ever said “Niger” out loud? It wouldn’t surprise me at all if he’s incapable of pronouncing it as anything other than n*****.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Oct 11, 2017 • 4:55:35pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 11, 2017 • 4:58:40pm

re: #385 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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I understand a little of what’s being said there but it’s still quite tone deaf.

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stpaulbear  Oct 11, 2017 • 5:01:46pm

re: #385 klys (maker of Silmarils)

A couple of them may like Nickelback.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 11, 2017 • 5:04:51pm

re: #359 A Mom Anon

Yeah, the dems around here suck. They tend to be either blue dog types or total loons who want to blow shit up for laughs (not literally, electorally). I’m thinking of maybe volunteering at a farm that does horse therapy about 10 miles from me. They work with kids with disabilities and veterans suffering from PTSD. I may have a wait, they sometimes have more volunteers than they need. I need to find some peace, and figure out where we should move too. Thanks, Klys.

Buy a 5 dollar single-piece hammer at a flea market, and one for your son. Call the Habitat for Humanity volunteer coordinator at the nearest affiliate. It will take care of itself from there.

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EPR-radar  Oct 11, 2017 • 5:08:28pm

re: #386 HappyWarrior

I understand a little of what’s being said there but it’s still quite tone deaf.

I’ll cut this VP quite a bit of slack. She’s a black woman and corporate diversity is always a challenge.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 11, 2017 • 5:09:24pm

re: #389 EPR-radar

I’ll cut this VP quite a bit of slack. She’s a black woman and corporate diversity is always a challenge.

It is, yes.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 11, 2017 • 5:10:36pm
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Stanley Sea  Oct 11, 2017 • 5:11:18pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 11, 2017 • 5:12:00pm

re: #392 Stanley Sea

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Needs more spray paint and graffiti like that other wall.

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EPR-radar  Oct 11, 2017 • 5:14:15pm

re: #392 Stanley Sea

That is totally fucking disgusting. If t****’s fucking wall actually gets built, that will be a black mark on the nation forever.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 11, 2017 • 5:14:22pm

Sixty Zillion bucks and the RWNJs get a handball court.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 11, 2017 • 5:15:44pm

re: #394 EPR-radar

That is totally fucking disgusting. If t****’s fucking wall actually gets built, that will be a black mark on the nation forever.

Slavery, Jim Crow, internment of the Japanese, etc will be complimented by “The Wall.”

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Skip Intro  Oct 11, 2017 • 5:16:41pm

re: #391 goddamnedfrank

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Decatur Deb  Oct 11, 2017 • 5:17:26pm

Andre Maginot for Secretary of Homeland Security!!1!

en.wikipedia.org

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HappyWarrior  Oct 11, 2017 • 5:18:01pm

re: #398 Decatur Deb

Andre Maginot for Secretary of Homeland Security!!1!

en.wikipedia.org

Too French.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 11, 2017 • 5:18:57pm

re: #396 HappyWarrior

Slavery, Jim Crow, internment of the Japanese, etc will be complimented by “The Wall.”

What shall we use
To fill the empty spaces
Where we used to talk?
How shall I fill
The final places?
How should I complete the wall
- Pink Floyd

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Decatur Deb  Oct 11, 2017 • 5:19:44pm

re: #399 HappyWarrior

Too French.

No one knows better how to lose to the Mexicans than the French.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 11, 2017 • 5:19:58pm

re: #400 Eventual Carrion

What shall we use
To fill the empty spaces
Where we used to talk?
How shall I fill
The final places?
How should I complete the wall
- Pink Floyd

I still love hearing about how wingnut Floyd fans got pissed at Waters who has been a well known lefty for years having the nerve to utter his political beliefs.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 11, 2017 • 5:20:27pm

re: #401 Decatur Deb

No one knows better how to lose to the Mexicans than the French.

Touche ami.

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EPR-radar  Oct 11, 2017 • 5:22:49pm

re: #402 HappyWarrior

I still love hearing about how wingnut Floyd fans got pissed at Waters who has been a well known lefty for years having the nerve to utter his political beliefs.

Wingnut Floyd fans should just fap to the crazy fascist symbolism in The Wall and leave reality out of it.


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