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1
Patricia Kayden  Oct 12, 2017 • 6:15:14pm

I can already hear Rightwingers denouncing Oliver as an interfering foreigner. But good on him for saying what should be obvious.

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bratwurst  Oct 12, 2017 • 6:15:25pm

Wondering what Vladimir Putin’s biggest fan thinks about Weinstein?

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Dave In Austin  Oct 12, 2017 • 6:16:25pm

So Rachel is talking about how the T**** admin is now saying the the Pres. Records Act doesn’t apply to them. Holy Shit.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Oct 12, 2017 • 6:17:42pm

Perkins said it was “demonic.”

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JordanRules  Oct 12, 2017 • 6:25:01pm

re: #2 bratwurst

Kremlin op keyed in on racism and misogyny so I won’t be surprised to find some of the most deplorable on the traitor train.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 12, 2017 • 6:26:12pm

re: #4 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Lol!! Naw, it was righteous anger. It reflects what a lot of us are feeling but don’t say out loud.

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Mike Lamb  Oct 12, 2017 • 6:27:21pm

re: #4 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Perkins said it was “demonic.”

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Burn in hell, motherfucker. You sold your soul.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 12, 2017 • 6:27:22pm

Vegas hotel disputing law enforcement belief that the shooter fired on the concert goers for 6 minutes. Hotel is saying 40 seconds.

40 seconds and all those people killed and shot. Let that sink in.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 12, 2017 • 6:37:06pm

MOTHERFUCKER

President Donald Trump plans to cut off critical subsidy payments to insurers selling Obamacare coverage, according to two people familiar with the matter.

The decision to end the payments, worth an estimated $7 billion this year, marks Trump’s most aggressive move yet to dismantle Obamacare after months of failed GOP repeal efforts on Capitol Hill. The move is likely to draw lawsuits and may put pressure on Congress to appropriate funding for the subsidies, which help insurers reduce out-of-pocket costs for low-income Obamacare customers.

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Mike Lamb  Oct 12, 2017 • 6:37:20pm

re: #9 GlutenFreeJesus

Vegas hotel disputing law enforcement belief that the shooter fired on the concert goers for 6 minutes. Hotel is saying 40 seconds.

40 seconds and all those people killed and shot. Let that sink in.

6 minutes isn’t much better.

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austin_blue  Oct 12, 2017 • 6:38:38pm

re: #4 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Perkins said it was “demonic.”

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I don’t that word means what he thinks it means.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 12, 2017 • 6:40:20pm
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bratwurst  Oct 12, 2017 • 6:40:23pm

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Oct 12, 2017 • 6:44:27pm

re: #4 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 12, 2017 • 6:45:31pm

Some of them anyway.

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Kragar  Oct 12, 2017 • 6:47:42pm

Just going to drop this in here…

6 Myths About the Confederacy, Debunked

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TedStriker  Oct 12, 2017 • 6:49:20pm

re: #16 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Some of them anyway.

For others on the Trump train, when they lose their health insurance, it’ll be their version of wearing a hair shirt; they’ll gladly suffer in defense of the conservative “faith”, as long as people that are not like them suffer even more.

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EPR-radar  Oct 12, 2017 • 6:49:42pm

re: #10 goddamnedfrank

MOTHERFUCKER

I really hope that t**** gets bothered enough by his negative press coverage to pick up psychosomatic ailments that are both painful and debilitating.

Republicans are all evil, and t**** is one of the very worst specimens of that whole vile order. t****’s flaws start by embodying all seven deadly sins, and compound from there with a wide assortment of major personality disorders which, minimally, include sociopathy and narcissism, both malignant.

As if that weren’t enough, t****’s entire life has been dedicated to gratifying all of his basest impulses. If it turned out that he had been a serial killer with dozens of victims per year for decades, using his wealth and power to find easy victims and to make the bodies disappear, all we could do would be to note that it was perfectly in character.

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ObserverArt  Oct 12, 2017 • 6:49:50pm

re: #15 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

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Love the one character in blue down front holding his face against the Trump Jesus garment. It’s like the now famous image of Trump fake-lovingly holding his face against the flag with the just-as-fake grin.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 12, 2017 • 6:52:25pm

re: #9 GlutenFreeJesus

Vegas hotel disputing law enforcement belief that the shooter fired on the concert goers for 6 minutes. Hotel is saying 40 seconds.

40 seconds and all those people killed and shot. Let that sink in.

The hotel’s version of events is not even remotely plausible. An audio analysis put the average rate of fire at 9 rounds a second, times 40 seconds that’s 360 bullets fired. Yet the total number of people injured and killed was almost 600, many hit multiple times. An indeterminate number of rounds also had to have struck nobody because the dude was just spraying the field from 400 yards away.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 12, 2017 • 6:57:51pm

re: #21 goddamnedfrank

The hotel’s version of events is not even remotely plausible. An audio analysis put the average rate of fire at 9 rounds a second, times 40 seconds that’s 360 bullets fired. Yet the total number of people injured and killed was almost 600, many hit multiple times. An indeterminate number of rounds also had to have struck nobody because the dude was just spraying the field from 400 yards away.

Of course not. The only place security gets to a room in 40 seconds is a brothel. Vegas hotels are monitored, but not that well.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 12, 2017 • 6:58:49pm

So the GOP managed to kill Obamacare even without 51 votes? Assholes.

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EPR-radar  Oct 12, 2017 • 6:59:18pm

re: #20 ObserverArt

Love the one character in blue down front holding his face against the Trump Jesus garment. It’s like the now famous image of Trump fake-lovingly holding his face against the flag with the just-as-fake grin.

The snout on that depiction of a pig-person is a nice touch.

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Skip Intro  Oct 12, 2017 • 7:00:21pm

re: #23 Eclectic Cyborg

King Asshole is ruling by decree. Obama would have been impeached for this.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Oct 12, 2017 • 7:00:23pm

and here’s a sad little tune for you that goes by the name of “i don’t think i’m being fired today”

and a one and a two…

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Stanley Sea  Oct 12, 2017 • 7:02:10pm

re: #15 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

I always want to credit the artist when re-tweeting.

Any idea?

Mike?…………

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Oct 12, 2017 • 7:02:37pm

re: #10 goddamnedfrank

MOTHERFUCKER

i think the well heeled heels in the insurance lobby are gonna have a little something to say about that

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Charles Johnson  Oct 12, 2017 • 7:03:35pm
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Stanley Sea  Oct 12, 2017 • 7:05:31pm

re: #15 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

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Sorry, Mike Peters.

Figured it out with minimal effort.

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ObserverArt  Oct 12, 2017 • 7:07:14pm

re: #23 Eclectic Cyborg

So the GOP managed to kill Obamacare even without 51 votes? Assholes.

From what I can tell, this is just an EO that starts a process.

Reports are saying he is just playing to the cameras and his base with the signing.

Chris Matthews had one of his panel say a lot of the EO signings he has signed have not even been looked at since the signing and no implementation.

They also said this was done to make Donny feel good as if he is doing something about that Obamacare.

Also, some are saying there will be court challenges from states, health industry people like hospitals and even some insurance companies. It appears there is a lot to do to make it legislature if they ever get to that point.

So, I guess the fight is still on and we citizens need to keep riding Congress’ backs. For sure it is all fucked up.

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EPR-radar  Oct 12, 2017 • 7:07:36pm

re: #29 Charles Johnson

Exactly. t**** is wingnut wet dreams made incarnate (i.e., their god). What a wingnut wants most of all is to be a rich powerful asshole who is above the law. If they can’t achieve that in their own life, they will live it out vicariously through a hero, which is why we have a t**** cult.

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William Lewis  Oct 12, 2017 • 7:08:20pm

re: #22 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Of course not. The only place security gets to a room in 40 seconds is a brothel. Vegas hotels are monitored, but not that well.

Rarely even at a brothel unless the prostitute has a self hired “angel” to bounce the John.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 12, 2017 • 7:11:46pm

Our unsafe elders.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 12, 2017 • 7:12:12pm

re: #34 Stanley Sea

Our unsafe elders.

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:(

Too much.

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JordanRules  Oct 12, 2017 • 7:16:16pm

re: #35 Stanley Sea

Hoping their loved ones find some peace.
You’re right. Too much.
Damn.

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De Kolta Chair  Oct 12, 2017 • 7:21:27pm

Howdy lizards! Just dropped in to see what condition your condition was in.

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Kragar  Oct 12, 2017 • 7:22:32pm
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JordanRules  Oct 12, 2017 • 7:23:30pm
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Patricia Kayden  Oct 12, 2017 • 7:25:22pm

re: #23 Eclectic Cyborg

So the GOP managed to kill Obamacare even without 51 votes? Assholes.

Yep. They were determined and they succeeded. All those anti-Clinton left wingers should be so proud of their Stein vote right about now.

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austin_blue  Oct 12, 2017 • 7:27:47pm

re: #31 ObserverArt

From what I can tell, this is just an EO that starts a process.

Reports are saying he is just playing to the cameras and his base with the signing.

Chris Matthews had one of his panel say a lot of the EO signings he has signed have not even been looked at since the signing and no implementation.

They also said this was done to make Donny feel good as if he is doing something about that Obamacare.

Also, some are saying there will be court challenges from states, health industry people like hospitals and even some insurance companies. It appears there is a lot to do to make it legislature if they ever get to that point.

So, I guess the fight is still on and we citizens need to keep riding Congress’ backs. For sure it is all fucked up.

That’s correct. It’ll take months, if not years to reverse the ACA without direct action by Congress. It’s for the show, not the dough.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Oct 12, 2017 • 7:27:54pm

re: #30 Stanley Sea

Sorry, Mike Peters.

Figured it out with minimal effort.

Source: Mike Peters

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EPR-radar  Oct 12, 2017 • 7:28:29pm

re: #39 JordanRules

It’s the calm before the political storm, as every RWNJ social media warrior anxiously awaits orders on whether to attack (if Price is a Democrat) or defend (if Price is a Republican).

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 12, 2017 • 7:28:51pm
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EPR-radar  Oct 12, 2017 • 7:30:15pm

re: #44 FormerDirtDart

If t**** manages to damage how Republican members of Congress personally poll in their own states and districts, all bets are off.

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JordanRules  Oct 12, 2017 • 7:30:26pm

re: #2 bratwurst

Mmhmm

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 12, 2017 • 7:31:10pm

re: #44 FormerDirtDart

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austin_blue  Oct 12, 2017 • 7:32:58pm

31 dead now confirmed in the NorCal fires per KQED:

kqed.org

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Belafon  Oct 12, 2017 • 7:33:10pm

re: #39 JordanRules

Googling names, Isa Hackett has one parent listed: Philip K. Dick.

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Belafon  Oct 12, 2017 • 7:36:07pm

re: #31 ObserverArt

From what I can tell, this is just an EO that starts a process.

Reports are saying he is just playing to the cameras and his base with the signing.

Chris Matthews had one of his panel say a lot of the EO signings he has signed have not even been looked at since the signing and no implementation.

They also said this was done to make Donny feel good as if he is doing something about that Obamacare.

Also, some are saying there will be court challenges from states, health industry people like hospitals and even some insurance companies. It appears there is a lot to do to make it legislature if they ever get to that point.

So, I guess the fight is still on and we citizens need to keep riding Congress’ backs. For sure it is all fucked up.

In a way, a perverse way that would be better if they never happened, we on the left need these. We haven’t really practiced continual outrage, and the need to continually stay focused. These periodic reminders of what kind of shithead he is will be useful until we’ve had enough practice.

As I said, I’d rather not be reminded in this way.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 12, 2017 • 7:36:40pm

re: #46 JordanRules

Mmhmm

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Take em all down.

Floodgates for women.

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JordanRules  Oct 12, 2017 • 7:36:43pm

re: #49 Belafon

No wayyyy?!?

Wow. Wow. Wow.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 12, 2017 • 7:43:00pm

re: #38 Kragar

That’s one badass Chaplain.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 12, 2017 • 7:44:14pm

Wow. The Rage Furby outlines his philosophy of life, and it stars himself of course, with women playing a subservient role.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 12, 2017 • 7:46:02pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

Makes sense he’s a total misogynist dick.

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TedStriker  Oct 12, 2017 • 7:46:05pm

re: #49 Belafon

Googling names, Isa Hackett has one parent listed: Philip K. Dick.

re: #52 JordanRules

No wayyyy?!?

Wow. Wow. Wow.

Says it in the article:

In the wake of revelations about Harvey Weinstein’s alleged years-long sexual harassment and assault, a producer of one of Amazon Studios’ highest-profile TV shows is ready to talk about her “shocking and surreal” experience with Amazon’s programming chief Roy Price.

Isa Hackett is the daughter of author Philip K. Dick, whose work is the basis for Amazon’s The Man in the High Castle, as well as the upcoming anthology series, Philip K. Dick’s Electric Dreams. Hackett, 50, is an executive producer on both series. Price, 51, is head of Amazon Studios and has presided over its growth into a major streaming service with such series as Transparent and movies such as Manchester by the Sea. His family has deep connections in the entertainment world: His father, Frank, ran Columbia Pictures and Universal Studios. (The existence of the alleged incident detailed below and the subsequent Amazon investigation were previously reported by the website The Information.)

hollywoodreporter.com

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Oct 12, 2017 • 7:46:33pm

The notorious perv Oliver mentions, Jimmy Savile, pretty well got off free during his lifetime. There were many rumors but the lack of hard proof, official apathy (if not outright collusion), and the UK’s draconian libel laws combined to conceal the crimes and prevent effective action.

He had only been dead a few days, though, when an avalanche of allegations, dating back to the 1950s, started coming in. This led to a massive police investigation, Operation Yewtree, that substantiated many of the allegations and found much evidence of malfeasance and cover-up by officials at the BBC, the NHS, and other places associated with Savile..

In January 2013, a joint report by the NSPCC and Metropolitan Police, Giving Victims a Voice, stated that 450 people had made complaints against Savile, with the period of alleged abuse stretching from 1955 to 2009 and the ages of the complainants at the time of the assaults ranging from 8 to 47. The suspected victims included 28 children aged under 10, including 10 boys aged as young as 8. A further 63 were girls aged between 13 and 16 and nearly three-quarters of his alleged victims were under 18. Some 214 criminal offences were recorded, with 34 rapes having been reported across 28 police forces.

There was also this:

Broadmoor [Hospital, where Savile was a director] staff members also claimed that Savile had told them that he engaged in necrophiliac acts with corpses in their mortuary in Leeds; Savile was friends with the chief mortician, who gave him near-unrestricted access.

I remember seeing Savile on TV when I was in the UK in the 70s and later, you almost couldn’t turn the box on without seeing him. He actually struck me as kind of creepy but I dismissed that as one of the British eccentricities about which I had still not learned, despite being born there.

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Aussie Apocalypse  Oct 12, 2017 • 7:46:55pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

He hasn’t got any female friends.

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Skip Intro  Oct 12, 2017 • 7:48:04pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

Wow. The Rage Furby outlines his philosophy of life, and it stars himself of course, with women playing a subservient role.

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So his wife did divorce his worthless ass.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 12, 2017 • 7:48:13pm

watch

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JordanRules  Oct 12, 2017 • 7:48:28pm

re: #56 TedStriker

Thanks! That’s crazy. Read a thread on it earlier about the allegations before the disciplinary action was taken.

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EPR-radar  Oct 12, 2017 • 7:48:31pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

The rage furby is a total MRA asshole. How completely unsurprising. This infantile screed is exactly the kind of thing that gets mocked relentlessly at We Hunted the Mammoth.

What’s much less amusing about it is how mainstream it is for the US right.

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Kragar  Oct 12, 2017 • 7:48:38pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

No wonder his wife left him

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 12, 2017 • 7:49:31pm

re: #57 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

And the fucker gets to keep his Knighthood too, though technically those do expire when a person dies.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 12, 2017 • 7:50:43pm

re: #59 Skip Intro

So his wife did divorce his worthless ass.

I had the same thought. This reads like an angry rant by someone who’s been dumped.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 12, 2017 • 7:50:50pm

re: #57 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

I read a lot about his crimes.

They covered it with, oh it was the 70’s & 80’s.

Bullshit.

Women need the environment to expose & fight back.

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JordanRules  Oct 12, 2017 • 7:51:23pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

Thanks for the life hacks Furb, but I’m good.

Tuh! He is a traitorous hot mess. As if.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 12, 2017 • 7:52:58pm

re: #65 Charles Johnson

Wasn’t she allegedly pregnant too?

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EPR-radar  Oct 12, 2017 • 7:53:03pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

CCJ really has no business commenting on how anyone else looks, given his own massive failure in that department.

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Kragar  Oct 12, 2017 • 7:53:10pm

re: #53 Eclectic Cyborg

That’s one badass Chaplain.

Chaplain

A Chaplain is a specialist officer of the Adeptus Astartes and serves as the appointed spiritual leader of a Space Marine Chapter. Chaplains are the warrior-priests that minister to the spiritual well-being of their fellow Battle-Brothers, instilling in them the values and beliefs of the Chapter and promote the veneration or in rarer cases the actual worship of the Emperor of Mankind. Chaplains lead from the front as awe-inspiring warrior-priests, fighting wherever the foe is most fierce, leading their brethren and praising the Emperor through the destruction of His enemies. Rejoicing in the glorious act of war, Chaplains exhort their Battle-Brothers to ever greater deeds of bravery and devotion.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Oct 12, 2017 • 7:53:21pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

Wow. The Rage Furby outlines his philosophy of life, and it stars himself of course, with women playing a subservient role.

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“this is some free advice”

i would stop listening right at that

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Stanley Sea  Oct 12, 2017 • 7:53:28pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

Wow. The Rage Furby outlines his philosophy of life, and it stars himself of course, with women playing a subservient role.

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Oh, I think we should consult his ex gf, Tina Nguyen. She BURNED his ass.

vanityfair.com

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 12, 2017 • 7:55:04pm
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austin_blue  Oct 12, 2017 • 7:55:12pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

Wow. The Rage Furby outlines his philosophy of life, and it stars himself of course, with women playing a subservient role.

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Classic misogynist paranoid.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 12, 2017 • 7:55:40pm
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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Oct 12, 2017 • 7:57:26pm

re: #66 Stanley Sea

I read a lot about his crimes.

They covered it with, oh it was the 70’s & 80’s.

Bullshit.

Women need the environment to expose & fight back.

His crimes continued right into the 21st century, the latest uncovered by Operation Yewtree was in 2009. The evidence was there much earlier and many, many others were prosecuted for the same categories of crime during those periods. It was common knowledge in celebrity circles, though few knew the real extent. The bastards covered for him because he was famous and brought in a lot of money.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 12, 2017 • 7:59:18pm
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scottslemmons  Oct 12, 2017 • 8:01:05pm

re: #77 Charles Johnson

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Because Trump, the Republicans, and the Republican-led Supreme Court want the ACA dead.

Enrollment starts Nov. 1, right? I’m wondering if the insurance companies are ecstatic or tearing their hair out.

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Kragar  Oct 12, 2017 • 8:01:14pm

re: #73 FormerDirtDart

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Oct 12, 2017 • 8:01:31pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

Wow. The Rage Furby outlines his philosophy of life, and it stars himself of course, with women playing a subservient role.

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He’s Forever 22.

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EPR-radar  Oct 12, 2017 • 8:03:02pm

re: #76 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

His crimes continued right into the 21st century, the latest uncovered by Operation Yewtree was in 2009. The evidence was there much earlier and many, many others were prosecuted for the same categories of crime during those periods. It was common knowledge in celebrity circles, though few knew the real extent. The bastards covered for him because he was famous and brought in a lot of money.

I think the simple and horrifying truth is that someone who is wealthy and powerful really is effectively above the law except in the most extreme cases.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 12, 2017 • 8:03:08pm
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fern01  Oct 12, 2017 • 8:04:36pm

re: #18 TedStriker

For others on the Trump train, when they lose their health insurance, it’ll be their version of wearing a hair shirt; they’ll gladly suffer in defense of the conservative “faith”, as long as people that are not like them suffer even more.

They’ll just blame Obama and congress - trump really really tried to give them health insurance and congress and that black guy - they took it away.

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Skip Intro  Oct 12, 2017 • 8:05:30pm

re: #65 Charles Johnson

I had the same thought. This reads like an angry rant by someone who’s been dumped.

Limbaugh did the same kind of rant when his third wife left him after his drug bust.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 12, 2017 • 8:10:01pm

I’m seeing stuff in my feed about a twitter boycott starting at midnite tonite?

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austin_blue  Oct 12, 2017 • 8:11:17pm

re: #85 Dave In Austin

I’m seeing stuff in my feed about a twitter boycott starting at midnite tonite?

Of what?

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Belafon  Oct 12, 2017 • 8:11:38pm
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mmmirele  Oct 12, 2017 • 8:11:39pm

re: #85 Dave In Austin

I’m seeing stuff in my feed about a twitter boycott starting at midnite tonite?

Yes, in support of Rose McGowan, who was suspended because she allegedly tweeted a telephone number. However, other people have reported their numbers were posted by harassers and Twitter did nothing.

More from Teen Vogue: teenvogue.com

ETA: McGowan has been reinstated, but people are righteously pissed off and want to stop Tweeting tomorrow (starting 12 a.m. ET) in protest.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 12, 2017 • 8:12:09pm

re: #44 FormerDirtDart

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Trump has given Congressional Republicans more than enough ammunition to kick him out of office but they refuse to take any action against him. No kudos for saying that Trump is sabotaging the ACA when that is plain for anyone to see.

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JordanRules  Oct 12, 2017 • 8:12:14pm

re: #86 austin_blue

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danarchy  Oct 12, 2017 • 8:12:24pm

re: #44 FormerDirtDart

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Funny, wasn’t it the Republican leadership in the House of Representatives that took the previous administration to court to challenge these payments(and won)? I’d be interested to see if she spoke up against this when they were doing that?

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 12, 2017 • 8:12:57pm

re: #83 fern01

They’ll just blame Obama and congress - trump really really tried to give them health insurance and congress and that black guy - they took it away.

It won’t matter who they blame.

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freetoken  Oct 12, 2017 • 8:13:20pm

re: #85 Dave In Austin

I’m seeing stuff in my feed about a twitter boycott starting at midnite tonite?

Never going to matter.

Twitter lives off of a million busy thumbs around the world at any moment, all trying to make a name for themselves by commenting on whatever they’re being entertained with at any moment, be that a TV show, a sports event, or salacious gossip.

The only real way to get back at twitter is to delete your account.

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austin_blue  Oct 12, 2017 • 8:14:09pm

re: #90 JordanRules

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Excellent!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 12, 2017 • 8:14:53pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

Wow. The Rage Furby outlines his philosophy of life, and it stars himself of course, with women playing a subservient role.

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What a sick, sick freak!

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austin_blue  Oct 12, 2017 • 8:16:17pm

re: #93 freetoken

Never going to matter.

Twitter lives off of a million busy thumbs around the world at any moment, all trying to make a name for themselves by commenting on whatever they’re being entertained with at any moment, be that a TV show, a sports event, or salacious gossip.

The only real way to get back at twitter is to delete your account.

True fact. I’d delete my account, but I’ve never had one. I’m a Twitter/Facebook Luddite.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Oct 12, 2017 • 8:17:09pm

re: #57 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

yow

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 12, 2017 • 8:17:30pm

re: #59 Skip Intro

So his wife did divorce his worthless ass.

Oh if she left him for another woman that would totally shatter his self worth…

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Oct 12, 2017 • 8:18:17pm

It’s occurred to me that we will probably not have a Vietnam veteran serve as President of the United States, unless some current unknown can run in 2020 or, at the outside, ‘24.

Three have run, Gore, Kerry, and McCain, and all three lost.

Maybe I should run. I seem to be a billion or more short of the required funds, though and I am not popular with Koch-heads and other evil types.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 12, 2017 • 8:19:18pm
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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Oct 12, 2017 • 8:19:36pm

re: #85 Dave In Austin

I’m seeing stuff in my feed about a twitter boycott starting at midnite tonite?

i’d feel sorry for the twitter employees, but it would be poetic if twitter was killed because of trump

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Stanley Sea  Oct 12, 2017 • 8:19:37pm

re: #77 Charles Johnson

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austin_blue  Oct 12, 2017 • 8:19:47pm

re: #98 Joe Bacon 🌹

Oh if she left him for another woman that would totally shatter his self worth…

“Your dick was ultimately uninteresting to me. It brought me no pleasure and neither did your mind. You are a worthless little man.”

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freetoken  Oct 12, 2017 • 8:19:55pm

re: #96 austin_blue

Pretty much I only use Twitter to retweet what gets posted here.

I use Facebook only because the relatives do, and I participate in a few closed groups that are mostly constructive and well managed.

Since I used Google tools I have a Youtube account by default but never use it. However, it seems like making videos people are willing to watch is a much more powerful form of communication than a Facebook entry or even a tweet (unless one has tens of millions of followers.) I don’t make Youtube vids, but it’s an option if I ever really wanted to get on a soapbox.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 12, 2017 • 8:20:23pm

re: #76 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

His crimes continued right into the 21st century, the latest uncovered by Operation Yewtree was in 2009. The evidence was there much earlier and many, many others were prosecuted for the same categories of crime during those periods. It was common knowledge in celebrity circles, though few knew the real extent. The bastards covered for him because he was famous and brought in a lot of money.

Young actresses are disposable.

There is so much more to tell

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 12, 2017 • 8:22:28pm
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Dr Lizardo  Oct 12, 2017 • 8:23:45pm

re: #19 EPR-radar

If it turned out that he had been a serial killer with dozens of victims per year for decades, using his wealth and power to find easy victims and to make the bodies disappear, all we could do would be to note that it was perfectly in character.

Trump as a real-life Patrick Bateman. Yeah, I wouldn’t be surprised - not one iota.

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teleskiguy  Oct 12, 2017 • 8:24:18pm
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JordanRules  Oct 12, 2017 • 8:26:01pm

re: #104 freetoken

However, it seems like making videos people are willing to watch is a much more powerful form of communication than a Facebook entry or even a tweet

Why?

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Unshaken Defiance  Oct 12, 2017 • 8:26:26pm

re: #102 Stanley Sea

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 12, 2017 • 8:27:21pm
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teleskiguy  Oct 12, 2017 • 8:27:29pm
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majii  Oct 12, 2017 • 8:28:29pm

re: #71 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

“”this is some free advice”“

“i would stop listening right at that”

I read his BS rant and thought of my life journey. I went to college, got a job, got married, had a kid, got divorced, earned several post-graduate degrees, was never unemployed after completing undergraduate school, raised my child by myself after my divorce while buying a house, paying my taxes and all of my bills by myself, put my daughter through college, retired with a decent income, and did it all while being a black female. As to his comment about men “wanting” older women, he doesn’t know sh*t about sh*t because I’ve had a guy who has been trying to get a date with me for four years, and he’s a medical doctor. I’ve told him why I’m hesitant to date anyone, but he persists, says he’s willing to wait. Chuck C. Johnson should keep his opinions to himself because when he shares them, there are always women like me who don’t fit the stereotypes he carries in his addled, misogynistic brain. His post indicates to me that the young man has experienced quite a bit of rejection in one form or another in his short life.

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teleskiguy  Oct 12, 2017 • 8:28:53pm

re: #112 teleskiguy

I’ll spare you the click, ‘ANP14,’ the official Twitter account of the American Nazi Party.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 12, 2017 • 8:29:34pm

re: #102 Stanley Sea

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RepubliKKKlans will reply that the churches will step in to take care of the needy.

I’ll believe that bullshit when Creflo Dollar sells his $65 million jet, Joel 0$teen sells his $10 million mansion and Fartwell sells Liberty University…

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Oct 12, 2017 • 8:31:01pm

so, naturally, jazz players say “let’s jam!”, but the country guys say “we’ll do some pickin’!”

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freetoken  Oct 12, 2017 • 8:31:20pm

The special elections in Nov include one Senate seat and one House seat, both high profile, both in control of the Republican party. Discouragingly, neither seat looks to be in real danger for the Republicans. I’d like to think that the AL race will be close as Moore is so extreme. We’ll find out.

But Chaffetz’ seat - given how tightly the LDS and the GOP are in that state, even with a growing fraction of LDS who are a bit more progressive minded, it seems like a real uphill battle.

What I guess I’m saying is that I have little hope that the GOP will get the message it needs to hear at the national level.

Don’t know about the local level. Perhaps some state legislatures might feel some impact of Trumpism.

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retired cynic  Oct 12, 2017 • 8:31:30pm

re: #115 Joe Bacon 🌹

RepubliKKKlans will reply that the churches will step in to take care of the needy.

I’ll believe that bullshit when Creflo Dollar sells his $65 million jet, Joel 0$teen sells his $10 million mansion and Farewell sells Liberty University…

Not just that they sell them, but that they will use the money to help the poor. Heh.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 12, 2017 • 8:32:03pm

re: #49 Belafon

Googling names, Isa Hackett has one parent listed: Philip K. Dick.

It’s mentioned in that Hollywood Reporter article that she’s PKD’s daughter - also Executive Producer on the upcoming Philip K. Dick’s Electric Dreams and The Man in the High Castle.

That’s fucked up…..I’ve worked with women my entire working life - as co-workers, bosses, supervisors or noobs I was training and never once did I feel the need to sexually harass any one of them.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 12, 2017 • 8:32:36pm

re: #118 retired cynic

Not just that they sell them, but that they will use the money to help the poor. Heh.

Those pulpit pimps won’t do that because they’re just as greedy as their Wall Street parasite pals!

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Belafon  Oct 12, 2017 • 8:33:26pm

re: #117 freetoken

Republicans have been losing in Oklahoma. I’m curious how that will continue to shake out.

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freetoken  Oct 12, 2017 • 8:34:29pm

I guess the AL election isn’t until Dec. Odd they pushed it back that far.

But the UT seat election is in Nov.

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Belafon  Oct 12, 2017 • 8:35:09pm

re: #122 freetoken

I guess the AL election isn’t until Dec. Odd they pushed it back that far.

But the UT seat election is in Nov.

Probably designed to depress turnout.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 12, 2017 • 8:35:19pm

This really ticks me off. It gives RepubliKKKlans in Congress another angle of attacking Federal employees!

A veteran doctor who’s worked on humanitarian missions in ten countries affected by disaster quit abruptly after allegedly witnessing federal disaster relief staffers in Puerto Rico bring in citizens to provide them with a “spa day” on the taxpayers dime.

The doctor spoke with MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow, and provided images and descriptions of what she saw, as well as her resignation letter.

According to the doctor, the disaster relief employees “used the triage tents that are supposed to be for medical care and instead brought in local Puerto Rican residents to give the medical workers cut-rate manicures and pedicures,” all while on the clock.

rawstory.com

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freetoken  Oct 12, 2017 • 8:37:36pm

About that Utah race, just in:

Democrat Kathie Allen singles out Mayor Curtis over Twitter

(KUTV) On Wednesday, 3rd Congressional District candidate, Democrat Kathie Allen, tweeted out a photo criticizing Provo Mayor John Curtis for supporting Trump’s wall.

On the left is a photo showing men holding tiki torches at a white nationalist rally in Charlottesville, and on the right is a photo of the statue of Liberty holding her iconic flame.

Allen’s tweet? “Dear Mayor Curtis: Pick A Torch. You can’t have it both ways!”

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Kragar  Oct 12, 2017 • 8:38:27pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 12, 2017 • 8:40:17pm

Becerra swings into action!

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Oct 12, 2017 • 8:41:47pm

re: #115 Joe Bacon 🌹

RepubliKKKlans will reply that the churches will step in to take care of the needy.

I’ll believe that bullshit when Creflo Dollar sells his $65 million jet, Joel 0$teen sells his $10 million mansion and Fartwell sells Liberty University…

9:16And behold, one came to him and said, Teacher, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 19:17And he said unto him, Why askest thou me concerning that which is good? One there is who is good: but if thou wouldest enter into life, keep the commandments. 19:18He saith unto him, Which? And Jesus said, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19:19Honor thy father and mother; and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. 19:20The young man saith unto him, All these things have I observed: what lack I yet? 19:21Jesus said unto him, If thou wouldest be perfect, go, sell that which thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me. 19:22But when the young man heard the saying, he went away sorrowful; for he was one that had great possessions.

19:23And Jesus said unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, It is hard for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of heaven. 19:24And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through a needle’s eye, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

musta been some other jesus

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JordanRules  Oct 12, 2017 • 8:42:07pm

re: #127 Joe Bacon 🌹

1st up!

I look forward to the other AG’s expressing the same and following thru.

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JordanRules  Oct 12, 2017 • 8:43:43pm
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De Kolta Chair  Oct 12, 2017 • 8:44:42pm
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freetoken  Oct 12, 2017 • 8:45:48pm

More on the Republican, and presumed front-runner, in that UT election:

John_Curtis_(Utah)

Curtis graduated from Brigham Young University with a degree in business management. Before becoming may [sic] of Provo, Utah, in 2010, Curtis was the chief executive officer and partner at Action Target Company, which manufactures shooting range equipment. He was re-elected in 2013 with 86 percent of the vote.

Gun fetishists rising to the top of the GOP?

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austin_blue  Oct 12, 2017 • 8:45:48pm

re: #115 Joe Bacon 🌹

RepubliKKKlans will reply that the churches will step in to take care of the needy.

I’ll believe that bullshit when Creflo Dollar sells his $65 million jet, Joel 0$teen sells his $10 million mansion and Fartwell sells Liberty University…

Joel O$teen’s church is a former sports arena where the Houston Rockets used to play basketball.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 12, 2017 • 8:46:39pm

re: #129 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

19:23And Jesus said unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, It is hard for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of heaven. 19:24And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through a needle’s eye, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. musta been some other jesus

Grandma Bacon told me the story of the time someone tried to bring the needle verse up in a conversation with John D Rockefeller. His reply—“God gave me the ability to buy a giant needle!”

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 12, 2017 • 8:46:43pm

re: #102 Stanley Sea

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Am on CoveredCA locking in my 2018 rate. I don’t think they can change it but I’m not taking any chances.

Just full of hatred right now.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 12, 2017 • 8:46:59pm

re: #132 De Kolta Chair

Or that Sasse votes for the Trump agenda in the 90 percentile.

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freetoken  Oct 12, 2017 • 8:47:16pm

re: #132 De Kolta Chair

Imagine thinking Hannity “changed” recently. As long as I’ve been aware of Hannity he’s always been a nutty wingnut.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 12, 2017 • 8:49:52pm
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teleskiguy  Oct 12, 2017 • 8:51:10pm

re: #128 freetoken

Fuckface Von Clownstick is not popular in Utah. In a state where in a presidential election the Republican candidate should be pulling 60% or greater, FVC only managed 45.5%. In Utah more people voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016 than Barack Obama in 2012, and they had a third party candidate pull 21.5% in ‘16!

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JordanRules  Oct 12, 2017 • 8:51:10pm
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goddamnedfrank  Oct 12, 2017 • 8:53:04pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 12, 2017 • 8:53:05pm

re: #141 JordanRules

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Yet another reason to join in the Twitter boycott starting at midnight!!!!!

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JordanRules  Oct 12, 2017 • 8:54:04pm
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goddamnedfrank  Oct 12, 2017 • 9:01:53pm

Done. Locked in another year of Blue Shield Gold 80 PPO.

Fuck this presidency right in the ear.

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De Kolta Chair  Oct 12, 2017 • 9:02:32pm

Later lizards, time to shuffle off to Dreamland. Take me away, Rosie, Scott Hamilton on sax, Michael Moore on bass, John Oddo on keys, Joe Cocuzzo on the skins, Ed Bickert doing some sweet pickin’, and the criminally underrated Warren Vaché on cornet…

Rosemary Clooney - Dream Medley Dream Hit The Road

Wow, whatta band!

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teleskiguy  Oct 12, 2017 • 9:03:38pm
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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Oct 12, 2017 • 9:04:17pm

re: #135 Joe Bacon 🌹

Grandma Bacon told me the story of the time someone tried to bring the needle verse up in a conversation with John D Rockefeller. His reply—“God gave me the ability to buy a giant needle!”

:-)

great story!

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Stanley Sea  Oct 12, 2017 • 9:04:32pm

re: #144 JordanRules

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So all day tomorrow?

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 12, 2017 • 9:04:51pm

re: #145 goddamnedfrank

My rates went up like $80 a month and I was going to get the cheaper HMO but then I saw it had NO out of network coverage. Fuck that.

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JordanRules  Oct 12, 2017 • 9:06:18pm

re: #143 Joe Bacon 🌹

It is not going to take down Twitter, but that’s not even the goal from what I’ve seen.

I wish we were a general strike aged nation state but we’re not.

If Rose McGowen and other silenced victims feel empowered that’s good for this here action.

No new tweets and retweets is what it looks like for the boycott specs. Easy peasy.

Also, I’ve seen folks able to speak up immediately and reach an audience with this tool and that isn’t bad. I’ve seen important stories unfold in damn near real time with the usual access impediments and delays getting crushed. Momentum can be powerful as shit! This tool, like many, needs to be regulated. That’s not a foreign concept for people on the sane part of the political spectrum.

Even if this is just a trial run, I applaud folks for not letting the easy contrary view take over every time. Try something and build from there.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 12, 2017 • 9:08:04pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 12, 2017 • 9:09:28pm

re: #140 teleskiguy

Fuckface Von Clownstick is not popular in Utah. In a state where in a presidential election the Republican candidate should be pulling 60% or greater, FVC only managed 45.5%. In Utah more people voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016 than Barack Obama in 2012, and they had a third party candidate pull 21.5% in ‘16!

Mormons need to wake up and realize that it’s only a matter of time before Radical Right Xtians turn on them…

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teleskiguy  Oct 12, 2017 • 9:09:42pm
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scottslemmons  Oct 12, 2017 • 9:10:21pm

The insurance experts who post at Balloon Juice say things are pretty much up in the air ‘til tomorrow. :(

I was gonna make myself feel better by playing Overwatch or GW2, but my Internet connection has been too crappy lately to guarantee a decent game. Probably better focus on typing a bit instead…

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JordanRules  Oct 12, 2017 • 9:11:00pm

re: #149 Stanley Sea

Pretty much. Pushing a 24 hour time frame starting at midnight from what I’ve seen. Doesn’t seem to specify timezones so I’m using my rare leftish coast privilege to continue to spread the word and learn more.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 12, 2017 • 9:12:24pm

re: #156 JordanRules

I’ll sign off in 45min

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Stanley Sea  Oct 12, 2017 • 9:13:53pm

re: #156 JordanRules

Pretty much. Pushing a 24 hour time frame starting at midnight from what I’ve seen. Doesn’t seem to specify timezones so I’m using my rare leftish coast privilege to continue to spread the word and learn more.

I’ll go to bed & will not sign on again till Sat.

Wonder if it will be noticed? Hope so.

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freetoken  Oct 12, 2017 • 9:14:39pm

re: #156 JordanRules

Here is Twitter HQ:
google.com

If people start to protest outside en masse, I suspect it will have more impact.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 12, 2017 • 9:15:04pm

LOL!

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JordanRules  Oct 12, 2017 • 9:15:56pm
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JordanRules  Oct 12, 2017 • 9:18:09pm

re: #159 freetoken

I know they have been doing the projection thing on their building. I saw one about Russian bots. Very cool.

I would gladly go protest outside if I could. I can’t afford it. Maybe that will happen next.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 12, 2017 • 9:18:47pm
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meteor  Oct 12, 2017 • 9:22:13pm

Me too. I’m off Twitter ‘til Saturday.

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Nyet  Oct 12, 2017 • 9:23:37pm
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Nyet  Oct 12, 2017 • 9:24:36pm

re: #2 bratwurst

Wondering what Vladimir Putin’s biggest fan thinks about Weinstein?

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theguardian.com

“He turned out to be a strong man, raped 10 women,” the Russian president was quoted by Russian media as saying at a meeting in Moscow with Israeli prime minister Ehud Olmert. “I never would have expected it of him. He has surprised us all, we all envy him!”

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freetoken  Oct 12, 2017 • 9:25:45pm

Ophelia remains a little hurricane but is still a record breaker:

ssd.noaa.gov

Will be heading towards Ireland in a couple of days.

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austin_blue  Oct 12, 2017 • 9:26:05pm

re: #166 Nyet

theguardian.com

Oh, sweet screaming jeebuz, that just can’t be right.

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JordanRules  Oct 12, 2017 • 9:26:27pm

Thread.

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austin_blue  Oct 12, 2017 • 9:26:28pm

re: #167 freetoken

Ophelia remains a little hurricane but is still a record breaker:

ssd.noaa.gov

Will be heading towards Ireland in a couple of days.

Pray for Mayo!

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Nyet  Oct 12, 2017 • 9:27:53pm

re: #168 austin_blue

Oh, sweet screaming jeebuz, that just can’t be right.

He was talking about Moshe Katsav, but you get the general drift.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 12, 2017 • 9:28:06pm

Removed Tweetdeck from the Dock on my MBP just to remind myself.

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 12, 2017 • 9:38:14pm
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JordanRules  Oct 12, 2017 • 9:40:44pm
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I cannot.  Oct 12, 2017 • 9:43:38pm
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JordanRules  Oct 12, 2017 • 9:46:06pm

Preet is so not cool with being ousted like he was. Good!

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De Kolta Chair  Oct 12, 2017 • 9:46:36pm

re: #169 JordanRules

Thread.

Speaking of federal buildings, it’s quite odd how, many months after their being sworn in, pics of the prez and vice prez are still not displayed in federal buildings. I live half a block from the federal buildings in Manhattan, and still no sign of those attention whores. intentional or just typical Trump laziness?

Anyway, nighty night all. Take me out Bobby…

Bobby Darin - Once Upon A Time

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Stanley Sea  Oct 12, 2017 • 9:47:46pm

re: #177 JordanRules

Preet is so not cool with being ousted like he was. Good!

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The yam’s hero = Erdogan

Troubles.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 12, 2017 • 9:50:16pm

re: #178 De Kolta Chair

Speaking of federal buildings, it’s quite odd how, many months after their being sworn in, pics of the prez and vice prez are still not displayed in federal buildings. I live half a block from the federal buildings in Manhattan, and still no sign of those attention whores. intentional or just typical Trump laziness?

Anyway, nighty night all. Take me out Bobby…

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plansbandc  Oct 12, 2017 • 9:50:24pm

Congratulations to the Cubbies. Got past the Nats and into the NLCS. Repeat boys!

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JordanRules  Oct 12, 2017 • 9:50:34pm

re: #179 Stanley Sea

Uggh, Lindsey Lohan may be in the cabinet soon.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 12, 2017 • 9:55:14pm

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 12, 2017 • 10:01:21pm

Thank Dog for blood pressure meds amirite?

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Dave In Austin  Oct 12, 2017 • 10:01:37pm

I’m out, Midnite Central

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 12, 2017 • 10:02:16pm

No twitter for me either for the next 24 hours.

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plansbandc  Oct 12, 2017 • 10:03:20pm

I will be boycotting twitter also.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 12, 2017 • 10:08:50pm

re: #185 Dave In Austin

I’m out, Midnite Central

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Cut & ready to paste your excellent comment.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Oct 12, 2017 • 10:14:37pm

Apostrophe apocalypse, capitalization/punctuation/spelling catastrophe.
Gun review from academy.com
This is for the Mossberg 715T, which is basically a garden variety .22 LR Model 702 Plinkster wrapped up in scary black AR-15 trim and selling for twice the price.

Got Myself Here 2 of These Simiautomatic Assult Tactical 715T Mossberg cal.22 Long picatinny quad Rail ’ with an inexpensive 25 Round Magazine ’ ATI backstock with a 6 postistion slide’ & a A2 Pistol grip’ a Reliable Firearm ’ Use CCI 22LR Best resalts ’ Hit’s Target’s up to 200 meeter’s possibly up to 300 meeter’s This weapon is accurate And effective ” all in all a Great BUY ’ especially if you buy 2 ‘

Gee, think I’ll keep my Henry lever .22.

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Nyet  Oct 12, 2017 • 10:14:59pm

re: #165 Nyet

BTW forgot to mention - The Forward gives a shout-out to Charles.

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freetoken  Oct 12, 2017 • 10:21:24pm

A couple of interesting new papers in Current Biology shed light on human evolution. This one I find most fascinating:

40,000-Year-Old Individual from Asia Provides Insight into Early Population Structure in Eurasia

Lots of interesting discussion, including this:

[…] The fact that the Tianyuan individual, who lived in mainland Asia about 40,000 years ago, has affinities to some South American populations that is as strong as or stronger than that observed for the Papuan and Onge suggests that a population related to the Tianyuan individual, as well as to the present-day Papuan and Onge, was once widespread in eastern Asia. This group or another Asian population related to this group persisted at least until the colonization of the Americas and contributed to the genomes of some Native American populations.

[…]

We find that that the Tianyuan individual is not from a population that is directly ancestral to any group of present-day East or Southeast Asians (c > 0, c = 0 rejected with p < 0.00001 for every comparison in Table 1), but rather belonged to a population that diverged from the population that contributed to present-day East and Southeast Asians. This is consistent with his unique ties to the 35,000-year-old [and found in Belgium] GoyetQ116-1 and to some South American populations, which are not observed in present-day East and Southeast Asians.

[…]

The Tianyuan genome, as well as the genomes of individuals that lived at a similar time in Europe, shows that Asian and European populations had already begun to diverge at least by 40,000 years ago. At that time, modern human populations in Eurasia were subdivided not only into populations ancestral to present-day Asians and Europeans, but also into populations that did not contribute detectably to present-day populations. The shared ancestry between the Tianyuan individual and a 35,000-year-old individual in Europe and present-day Native American groups in South America further highlights that both substructure and population contacts have characterized the population history in Eurasia.

It takes a bit of background to read the whole paper, but the gist can be had readily.

Substantially, it is beginning to look like the Eurasian population of modern humans was pretty complex even by 40kya, and remained that way. Also that there were inhabitants of Europe that were more closely related to some of these ancient Eurasian populations than the later European populations.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 12, 2017 • 10:21:31pm

re: #189 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

“Assault tactical .22” cracks me up.

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TedStriker  Oct 12, 2017 • 10:22:06pm

re: #189 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Apostrophe apocalypse, capitalization/punctuation/spelling catastrophe.
Gun review from academy.com
This is for the Mossberg 715T, which is basically a garden variety .22 LR Model 702 Plinkster wrapped up in scary black AR-15 trim and selling for twice the price.

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Gee, think I’ll keep my Henry lever .22.

That review has to be a Poe.

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I cannot.  Oct 12, 2017 • 10:28:31pm

re: #193 TedStriker

I’ve come to the conclusion that at least 79.2% of Poes were actually the real thing.

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Kragar  Oct 12, 2017 • 10:29:19pm

re: #174 Ace-o-aces

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Oct 12, 2017 • 10:31:12pm

re: #193 TedStriker

That review has to be a Poe.

Seems likely. Who would spell “picatinny” and “inexpensive” correctly but misspell “meter” and “semi-automatic?”

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teleskiguy  Oct 12, 2017 • 10:32:07pm
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teleskiguy  Oct 12, 2017 • 10:41:32pm
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Kragar  Oct 12, 2017 • 10:51:40pm
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teleskiguy  Oct 12, 2017 • 10:52:52pm

I’m treating the #WomenBoycottTwitter like I treated my seven day Twitter timeout. I’ll still look at the darn thing, I’ll even keep posting tweets I think are relevant or funny here at LGF. I will not tweet or retweet until midnight Saturday MDT.

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JordanRules  Oct 12, 2017 • 11:01:29pm

re: #201 teleskiguy

Yup. That’s pretty much my assessment of how it’s workin’!

Props to everyone who is aware and will be primed for even more action in the future regardless of if you untweet Friday or not. I get it and in this young Democracy we’ll be figuring a lot out.

Much respect to all the victims and allies speaking out!

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teleskiguy  Oct 12, 2017 • 11:02:36pm
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teleskiguy  Oct 12, 2017 • 11:03:42pm
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Kragar  Oct 12, 2017 • 11:08:14pm
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Dave In Austin  Oct 12, 2017 • 11:13:48pm

re: #205 Kragar

Wasn’t he in Military School as a kid?

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JordanRules  Oct 12, 2017 • 11:27:51pm

Pretty excited cause my favorite show may be reboot ready. (Uhh, it hasn’t even been that long LOL)

Not expecting it. The Christmas movie is amazing enough but if this spins out from there I will not be mad at all. In fact, I’ll be pretty Psyched! *snort*

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Kragar  Oct 12, 2017 • 11:33:04pm

re: #207 JordanRules

Reboot or starting back up a few years later?

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JordanRules  Oct 12, 2017 • 11:35:13pm

re: #208 Kragar

Good catch. Restart!

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Kragar  Oct 12, 2017 • 11:40:16pm
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Kragar  Oct 12, 2017 • 11:55:51pm
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goddamnedfrank  Oct 13, 2017 • 12:14:30am

re: #189 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Apostrophe apocalypse, capitalization/punctuation/spelling catastrophe.
Gun review from academy.com
This is for the Mossberg 715T, which is basically a garden variety .22 LR Model 702 Plinkster wrapped up in scary black AR-15 trim and selling for twice the price.

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Gee, think I’ll keep my Henry lever .22.

If I can afford it after Christmas and it’s still available (big if) I’m going to make an offer on this old Winchester 52C w/ Olympic sights.

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teleskiguy  Oct 13, 2017 • 12:19:32am

re: #189 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

re: #212 goddamnedfrank

Now there’s a gun I’ve never shot. A bolt action .22 LR. Every .22 rifle I’ve shot were magazine-fed semi-autos. Hell, I own a Ruger .22 semi-auto LR.

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teleskiguy  Oct 13, 2017 • 12:21:26am

.22 long rifles. Pea shooters, that’s what the rednecks called them.

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Kragar  Oct 13, 2017 • 12:25:05am

re: #213 teleskiguy

I’ve shot:
Police .38 revolver
M-16
M-60
M-249
M-240
M203
M2
Mk19
AT-4
Beretta 9mm
Ruger P91
Remington Wingmaster shotgun
Mossberg Persuader Shotgun

and one claymore

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teleskiguy  Oct 13, 2017 • 12:27:27am

Goin’ on Weird Al tour!!!

Facebook Post

Seriously, this sounds fucking epic. Tour dates drop in less than nine hours.

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I cannot.  Oct 13, 2017 • 12:32:18am

re: #215 Kragar

You’ve fired one of these?

You’re either doing something incredibly wrong, or doing something amazing.

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Kragar  Oct 13, 2017 • 12:33:46am
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I cannot.  Oct 13, 2017 • 12:36:37am

re: #218 Kragar

I love the dry warning on the front. “This side toward enemy”

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teleskiguy  Oct 13, 2017 • 12:37:37am

re: #215 Kragar

I’ve shot:
.22 LR
.22 9-shot revolver
various 9mm pistols, generic, Beretta, Glock
SKS rifle
AK-47 rifle
.30.06 bolt action
30/30 bolt action
12-gauge shotgun
20-gauge shotgun (friend of mine has an over/under .22/20 gauge gun)
and the only one that’s even close to your weapons you’ve shot
H&K MP5 submachine gun

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 13, 2017 • 12:41:52am

re: #213 teleskiguy

Now there’s a gun I’ve never shot. A bolt action .22 LR. Every .22 rifle I’ve shot were magazine-fed semi-autos. Hell, I own a Ruger .22 semi-auto LR.

I got a Ruger 10/22 Takedown when they first came out, fitted it with a nice wood stock and Bentz chambered barrel. Also have a bunch of Marlin 39a variants and a Browning SA 22 but don’t have a bolt action .22 yet. My Dad shot a 52C when he was a boy on his local shooting team, but regrettably he sold his when he was a young man. The same shop has another 52C that I really like with a JW Fecker 20X scope. Both have Karl Kenyon triggers.

Optics have come a long way, those old scopes are so ridiculously long and thin that they barely pass any light at all. I might make an offer on it instead but I’m afraid I’d have to shine klieg lights on the target.

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Kragar  Oct 13, 2017 • 12:42:06am

re: #220 teleskiguy

I’ve shot:
.22 LR
.22 9-shot revolver
various 9mm pistols, generic, Beretta, Glock
SKS rifle
AK-47 rifle
.30.06 bolt action
30/30 bolt action
12-gauge shotgun
20-gauge shotgun (friend of mine has an over/under .22/20 gauge gun)
and the only one that’s even close to your weapons you’ve shot
H&K MP5 submachine gun

Almost got to fire the MP5 once when I was attached to the MPs for a few months,
but something came up on the schedule and didn’t get to go.

I left off a couple of grenades as well. There is a guy who still owes me a case of beer because I was able to drop one into a 12” target at 50’ by hand.

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teleskiguy  Oct 13, 2017 • 12:42:48am

re: #220 teleskiguy

The last weapon in my list is the only truly fully automatic weapon I’ve ever fired. Which is how it’s the only way it compares to Krager’s Marine years where he got to blow the shit out of shit with machine guns out at Twentynine Palms and all the other places he went.

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teleskiguy  Oct 13, 2017 • 12:44:09am

re: #222 Kragar

I left off a couple of grenades as well. There is a guy who still owes me a case of beer because I was able to drop one into a 12” target at 50’ by hand.

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Kragar  Oct 13, 2017 • 12:45:59am

re: #223 teleskiguy

The last weapon in my list is the only truly fully automatic weapon I’ve ever fired. Which is how it’s the only way it compares to Krager’s Marine years where he got to blow the shit out of shit with machine guns out at Twentynine Palms and all the other places he went.

Never actually fired any rounds off at 29 Palms, but I did get hit by a van while I was asleep and got thrown about 40-50’ off when I bounced off the front bumper. Damn lucky I was on a cot at the time or I would have ended up under the tires.

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teleskiguy  Oct 13, 2017 • 12:48:00am

re: #225 Kragar

Never actually fired any rounds off at 29 Palms, but I did get hit by a van while I was asleep and got thrown about 40-50’ off when I bounced off the front bumper. Damn lucky I was on a cot at the time or I would have ended up under the tires.

HOLY SHIT!

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 13, 2017 • 12:52:27am

re: #225 Kragar

Never actually fired any rounds off at 29 Palms, but I did get hit by a van while I was asleep and got thrown about 40-50’ off when I bounced off the front bumper. Damn lucky I was on a cot at the time or I would have ended up under the tires.

The Yelp reviews for Marine Corps Air Ground Combat Center 29 Palms are hilarious.

Have you ever heard the saying, “it could always be worse?”
29 Palms is the only exception.

Do you enjoy…
- waking up in a full body sweat
- being close to nothing
- an endless supply of sketchy people out and about during the night
- a brown, sandy, dusty scenery that lasts year round

If you are a military family, this place will…
- steal your souls
- destroy your family
- make your kids wish they could go back to where the came from, and eventually resent their parents
- make you resent yourself and the Marine corps for putting your family through such a horrible duty station

This place is about as horrible as it gets.
- If you are in the military and were stationed here on your first enlistment, I feel for you; been there, done that.
- If you requested to be stationed here, you deserve what’s coming for you. I don’t know how you can look in the mirror at your stupid self.
- if you are a spouse, who’s husband dragged to you down to this hell-hole, my heart goes out to you. Hang in there, and don’t cheat! There’s no excuse for that sort of thing.
- if you are a 29 palms local (aborigine) of your own free will… There’s no hope for you. Stay where you are, and under no circumstance, reproduce!

I’m obviously kidding, but 29 Palms sucks.

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Kragar  Oct 13, 2017 • 1:01:18am

re: #226 teleskiguy

HOLY SHIT!

Best part was the MPs coming around to check out the crash.
“GET BACK TO YOUR TENT!”
“That was my tent.”

Driver had forgot to set the parking brake when he hit the head and the van had rolled downhill about 1/4 mile before it crashed into the Mess Hall supply tent me and this other guy were bunking in. I got off easy, with just heavy bruising down the whole left side of my body. The other guy got hit with some other debris and ended up with some broken ribs and a internal puncture, kidney or liver, I forget which. He ended up having to stay there for an extra 3-4 months because it was too dangerous to fly him back to NC with his injuries.

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teleskiguy  Oct 13, 2017 • 1:19:40am

South Park nails Mark Zuckerberg. Nails it!

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teleskiguy  Oct 13, 2017 • 1:38:16am

This was a K-Mart in Santa Rosa, CA.

Photo: Noah Berger, Special To The San Francisco Chronicle
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Kragar  Oct 13, 2017 • 1:49:43am
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William Lewis  Oct 13, 2017 • 2:01:51am

Heh. I wake up in the middle of the night to weapon comparisons…

Let’s see…
Not counting demolitions HE…
105mm rifled canon
60 mm mortar
M-2
M-85
M-240
M-60
M249
M-16a1, a2, a3
AK47 & AK74 - US Army owned so full auto
SKS
M1 Carbine
Sporterized Arisaka Type 99 (7.7x58. I use this as my deer rifle)
Rossi 94
numerous revolvers, mostly colt or S&W, .38S&W, .38 Spl, .357 mag, .45 LC
numerous semiauto pistols - standouts, C96 Mauser,Glock 19, m1911, Tokarev, Mauser HSc
More sporting rifles and shotguns than I can count.

Probably more that I’ve forgotten. Been a gun nut for too long.

I rarely remember the full auto stuff that much any more. But I was seriously annoyed the other day when visiting a local gunshop to find that the guy before me had bought the Parker VH Special Twist (aka “damascas” barrels - only safe for black powder) double barrel shotgun that he had for only $300. I’d have had to hand load 12 gauge 2 1/2” black powder shot shells for it but damn it would have been fun chasing pheasant & grouse with that pre 1900 beauty.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Oct 13, 2017 • 2:03:42am

I have a Henry because as an actual Texas farmer/rancher I am required to own a lever action rifle. It’s in the Official Regulations of Redneck somewhere. The Henry fits the bill even though it was made in NEW YORK CITY (Brooklyn in fact). They have since moved to Bayonne New Jersey, which is still part of the United States even though New Yorkers do not believe this.
I will probably be fined or jailed if the Redneck Regulators find out I don’t have a Stetson hat though.

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teleskiguy  Oct 13, 2017 • 2:11:20am

So weird how I’ve never actually fired a lever action rifle or shotgun. So weird, now that I think about it.

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teleskiguy  Oct 13, 2017 • 2:15:20am

Sawed off lever action shotgun.

Giphy

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Kragar  Oct 13, 2017 • 2:17:21am

re: #234 teleskiguy

So weird how I’ve never actually fired a lever action rifle or shotgun. So weird, now that I think about it.

The shotguns we had when I was in security forces were still pump action, but they also had bayonet lugs, which we trained with during CQB training. Back in the day, there was practically no one who could beat me when we trained with bayonet fighting

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Kragar  Oct 13, 2017 • 2:27:13am

Most fun I ever had in training was when we practiced clearing bunkers and trenchlines.

Machine gun sections would set up a base of fire. The assault teams would move in under smoke and hit the end of the line. I would be in the lead with a M249, with my A-gunner, who carried a 15’ pole with a flag on the end, followed by 2 other guys with a bunch of grenades, then the rest of the platoon.

Now the MG sections were told to fire about 15-20ft ahead of where ever they saw that flag. Between me and the Agunner, we carried about 8 drums of ammo, 250 rounds per drum, and we would advance along the trenchlines, rounds impacting ahead of us from the machine gun section as I would advance firing 3-5 round bursts taking out any targets that presented themselves. If we came across a bunker or firing position, we’d signal for a grenade, they would step around and toss one in, we’d wait for it to blow, spray the position with fire, then keep moving, as fire teams from the rest of the platoon would file in to seize and clear the positions. As the gunner, I had to remain focussed ahead, so my Agunner would keep a hand on my harness to pull me up short if we needed to slow down or fallback.

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Kragar  Oct 13, 2017 • 2:30:59am

I also had a tendency to start braying like a Tusken Raider during assaults, so there was that as well.

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Alyosha  Oct 13, 2017 • 2:36:02am

In nearly gun-free Australia I once got to fire a pistol champion’s .38 with a reflex sight.

It was amazing. Way too enjoyable.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Oct 13, 2017 • 2:50:24am

Mocked them for ordering pineapple?

Facebook Post

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teleskiguy  Oct 13, 2017 • 2:52:31am

Coagulated lardblob is already testing my patience in re: #WomenBoycottTwitter.

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Alyosha  Oct 13, 2017 • 2:57:34am

re: #241 teleskiguy

Don’t give in!

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 13, 2017 • 2:59:50am

re: #241 teleskiguy

Coagulated lardblob is already testing my patience in re: #WomenBoycottTwitter.

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It’s not just about not tweeting, it’s about not giving Twitter any traffic at all for the day. Their analytics have to crash across the board.

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teleskiguy  Oct 13, 2017 • 3:01:19am

re: #242 Alyosha

I won’t. One day without tweeting is nothing after Twitter put me in timeout for seven days in August. That was some bullshit.

Would you like to know more?

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Alyosha  Oct 13, 2017 • 3:13:56am

re: #244 teleskiguy

I’m afraid it’ll have to wait ;)

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LastYearsMan  Oct 13, 2017 • 3:21:28am

Any of you gun nuts ever fire a Purdey? I heard they were pretty excellent but I never tried myself.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 13, 2017 • 3:47:09am

re: #241 teleskiguy

Coagulated lardblob is already testing my patience in re: #WomenBoycottTwitter.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 13, 2017 • 4:00:21am

Great, just great.
I wonder if we’re going to see some kind of Turkish/Iraqi alliance brewing

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 13, 2017 • 4:01:42am

re: #248 FormerDirtDart

Great, just great.
I wonder if we’re going to see some kind of Turkish/Iraqi alliance brewing

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That’s what I’m thinking; a joint invasion of the KRG by Turkey and Iraq.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 13, 2017 • 4:03:18am

re: #10 goddamnedfrank

MOTHERFUCKER

Yep

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 13, 2017 • 4:24:54am

Discussed my political future with my wife. We had this discussion a couple years ago, but her position seems to have changed.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 13, 2017 • 4:34:33am
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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Oct 13, 2017 • 4:43:09am

re: #246 LastYearsMan

Any of you gun nuts ever fire a Purdey? I heard they were pretty excellent but I never tried myself.

Guilty. I’ve fired a Purdey double rifle, .375 H&H. It shoots like any other big game rifle, accurate and balanced though very heavy on the recoil. It is a thing of beauty, really an art object, and carries a stratospheric price.
There is a market, though, and they are still very much in business. James and Purdey and Sons.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 13, 2017 • 4:44:17am

Check this gob of crap. The thread is interesting to say the least.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 13, 2017 • 4:45:30am

Lumpy now hates the 1 st Amendment

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I cannot.  Oct 13, 2017 • 4:49:24am

re: #255 Dave In Austin

Hannity’s entire career is made out of pure Mistakeium.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 13, 2017 • 4:56:47am
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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 13, 2017 • 5:04:02am

I put a modification of my post above about my political future to my county Democratic party chair and treasurer. (We finally have new ones who are more interested in being active than the two octogenarians who were in charge of our county party for decades. Let’s see how they respond.)

Get a load of this wingnut from California (allegedly) on Sen. Ben Sasse’s statement. (He is not a “career politician,” this is the first political position he’s held, and he is a freshman senator. There are also people commenting on the string who do not understand how Senate traditions work: Freshmen senators usually get little to no say about what their party is doing in the Senate.)

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Jay C  Oct 13, 2017 • 6:01:01am

re: #258 Anymouse 🌹

You’d know better than I how his home state views Sen. Sasse, but for a guy who won his election by a 2-1 margin, how likely is he to fall victim to a “primary” attack by Trump-cultists? Especially since he isn’t up for reelection until 2020?

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sagehen  Oct 13, 2017 • 6:04:30am

re: #216 teleskiguy

Goin’ on Weird Al tour!!!

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Seriously, this sounds fucking epic. Tour dates drop in less than nine hours.

I love the title. Reminiscent of Monty Python’s “Contractual Obligation Album”.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 13, 2017 • 6:07:37am

re: #259 Jay C

You’d know better than I how his home state views Sen. Sasse, but for a guy who won his election by a 2-1 margin, how likely is he to fall victim to a “primary” attack by Trump-cultists? Especially since he isn’t up for reelection until 2020?

He’s not, particularly from out-of-state Trump cultists.

While the state overwhelmingly went for Trump in 2016, there are none of the wingnut protests supporting Trump here.

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sagehen  Oct 13, 2017 • 6:12:26am

re: #251 Anymouse 🌹

Discussed my political future with my wife. We had this discussion a couple years ago, but her position seems to have changed.

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Jay C  Oct 13, 2017 • 6:12:48am

re: #257 FormerDirtDart

A “Wikipedia entry”? I can’t imagine Wikipedia leaving a hackneyed piece of crap propaganda like Trump’s Iran “strategy” paper up onsite longer than it would take anyone to read it and pull it.

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JordanRules  Oct 13, 2017 • 6:13:39am

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lawhawk  Oct 13, 2017 • 6:15:37am

Greets and saluts from the Resistance in the NYC metro area.

Trump sabotaged Obamacare last night, carrying through on his threat to destroy CSRs and thereby hiking premiums for millions on Obamacare and making it harder for millions to get health coverage.

All Trump has done about this is lie, and the GOP gladly gives the addled reactionary know nothing cover to continue his assault on the Constitution and federal law.

Why do I mention that latter bit? Because Trump’s EO likely broke another federal law in the process, this one dealing with ERISA.

The GOP will continue to rubber stamp Trump while he guts functioning government because it ultimately means sweet tax cuts as GOP claims govt failing shouldn’t be funded.

Meanwhile, the daily PR update shows that millions remain without power and water on the Island, and Trump tries to claim that FEMA will be there until the end of recovery, but the problem is the initial effort to get power restored is so fucked up it’s going to take months more than if FEMA and the federal govt fully mobilized to get power grid restored/rebuilt.

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JordanRules  Oct 13, 2017 • 6:22:28am

I wonder if anyone in the yam regime is going to get canned today.

General Kelly was really tempting the fates yesterday it seems.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 13, 2017 • 6:23:13am

re: #253 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Guilty. I’ve fired a Purdey double rifle, .375 H&H. It shoots like any other big game rifle, accurate and balanced though very heavy on the recoil. It is a thing of beauty, really an art object, and carries a stratospheric price.
There is a market, though, and they are still very much in business. James and Purdey and Sons.

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I shot a Sharps buffalo rifle a couple months ago. About twice the recoil of a .30-06. The bullets are crazy huge. It was the first true big game rifle I have ever shot.

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mmmirele  Oct 13, 2017 • 6:23:37am

re: #117 freetoken

But Chaffetz’ seat - given how tightly the LDS and the GOP are in that state, even with a growing fraction of LDS who are a bit more progressive minded, it seems like a real uphill battle.

Not (currently) a resident of Utah, but I am aware that Utah is so gerrymandered to dilute Democratic representation. You have to keep in mind that the current mayor of Salt Lake City proper is an woman in a same-sex marriage. But the way the northern half of the Salt Lake valley has been carved up, you’d never know it.

Remember when Chaffetz claimed that a town hall meeting was invaded by “outsiders”? They weren’t outsiders—they were residents of more Democratic small cities in the Salt Lake Valley—like Holladay.

But the chances of a Dem getting Chaffetz’ seat are ZERO. I just looked at the map and the 3rd District covers Provo-Orem. It’s not happening unless (joke alert) someone puts LSD in the water or something.

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Scottish Dragon  Oct 13, 2017 • 6:25:09am

re: #255 Dave In Austin

Lumpy now hates the 1 st Amendment everything the Dear Leader hates, updated daily

FTFY

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Unshaken Defiance  Oct 13, 2017 • 6:26:16am

re: #246 LastYearsMan

Any of you gun nuts ever fire a Purdey? I heard they were pretty excellent but I never tried myself.

Well seeing as you say that to us with a smile… I’m too slight a build myself to enjoy heavy recoil shooting, and i will never ever game hunt. Only clays, target paper and armor plate steel targets ever get what I send.

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I cannot.  Oct 13, 2017 • 6:28:15am

re: #266 JordanRules

As soon as he said “unless something changes”, I thought he was done. Because President TV Show does “the UNEXPECTED [tm]”

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Jay C  Oct 13, 2017 • 6:32:35am

re: #268 mmmirele

Not (currently) a resident of Utah, but I am aware that Utah is so gerrymandered to dilute Democratic representation. You have to keep in mind that the current mayor of Salt Lake City proper is an woman in a same-sex marriage. But the way the northern half of the Salt Lake valley has been carved up, you’d never know it.

Remember when Chaffetz claimed that a town hall meeting was invaded by “outsiders”? They weren’t outsiders—they were residents of more Democratic small cities in the Salt Lake Valley—like Holladay.

But the chances of a Dem getting Chaffetz’ seat are ZERO. I just looked at the map and the 3rd District covers Provo-Orem. It’s not happening unless (joke alert) someone puts LSD in the water or something.

Quite true: I also looked at the Utah district maps back when Chaffetz was griping about the heat he was getting back home over healthcare: it looks like almost all the Congressional Districts in the state are drawn to include a small section of “urbanized” area, “balanced” by vast tracts of the American Outback. Probably computer-calculated down to the last .01% to preserve GOP control….

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 13, 2017 • 6:41:39am

Thread

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jeffreyw  Oct 13, 2017 • 6:46:47am

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Good morning!

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ObserverArt  Oct 13, 2017 • 6:47:29am

Morning.

In keeping with the ongoing discussions about Facebook and Twitter and their stances on what their platforms do when they are used for things like personal attacks and threats and being used to interfere in elections I thought some might like to see this if you haven’t already.

Ari Melber seems to have decided that Facebook needs some coverage and he has been tough on them.

This video gets into Facebook’s cheap excuse that they are not responsible for any of it because they are not a media company.

One of Ari’s guests said that claiming you are not media is odd when Facebook initially claimed they were the replacement for old media.

I just see them as protective and irresponsible in that they may have had good intentions but it is clear they never thought of the negative uses and now don’t want to admit it. And they don’t want to do anything because that may take a lot of tweaking of their platform and maybe a lot of hiring to have people monitor what is going on.

Iframe

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Sir John Barron  Oct 13, 2017 • 6:49:06am

re: #255 Dave In Austin

Lumpy now hates the 1 st Amendment

1st Amendment now just means freedom of Christian religion.

/

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 13, 2017 • 6:52:12am

re: #266 JordanRules

It’s Friday. No time to fire anyone. FORE!

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 13, 2017 • 6:52:56am
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scottslemmons  Oct 13, 2017 • 7:07:41am

re: #278 FormerDirtDart

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 13, 2017 • 7:16:06am

re: #18 TedStriker

For others on the Trump train, when they lose their health insurance, it’ll be their version of wearing a hair shirt; they’ll gladly suffer in defense of the conservative “faith”, as long as people that are not like them suffer even more.

Funny thing is they will suffer the most. Low income people whose insurance is subsidized or who qualify for Medicaid are protected, especially those in urban areas which provide a large customer base. Rural areas and people who make too much to qualify for subsidies will suffer the most; IOW, Trump voters.

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Belafon  Oct 13, 2017 • 7:19:02am

re: #280 Big Beautiful Door

Funny thing is they will suffer the most. Low income people whose insurance is subsidized or who qualify for Medicaid are protected, especially those in urban areas which provide a large customer base. Rural areas and people who make too much to qualify for subsidies will suffer the most; IOW, Trump voters.

The $24,000 question: Is there any way to get these voters to understand that it’s not the cities that are hurting them, but Republicans?

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 13, 2017 • 7:20:24am

re: #280 Big Beautiful Door

Funny thing is they will suffer the most. Low income people whose insurance is subsidized or who qualify for Medicaid are protected, especially those in urban areas which provide a large customer base. Rural areas and people who make too much to qualify for subsidies will suffer the most; IOW, Trump voters.

That depends. In a lot of rural areas veterans live in great quantities, because retired pay or disability is too low to live in expensive cities. (For example, more than half my town is either veterans, spouses, or dependent children.)

For those drawing retired pay they still have access to military facilities, for the disabled access to VA facilities. Both have Tricare/CHAMPUS for spouses and dependants.

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William Lewis  Oct 13, 2017 • 7:20:56am

re: #281 Belafon

Nope because of all the generations of poor whites being told they’re poor because all the non-whites live in cities on welfare. Truth can’t magically sink in.

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ObserverArt  Oct 13, 2017 • 7:22:14am

re: #266 JordanRules

I wonder if anyone in the yam regime is going to get canned today.

General Kelly was really tempting the fates yesterday it seems.

Yeah, supposedly Trump was grumping around after Kelly addressed the press. They say anytime someone, like Kelly yesterday, gets comment like “he seems measured and under control” or worse “Kelly is presidential”…the thin skinned one feels undercut and overlooked and then huffs and puffs about it.

Funny thing, Trump probably sent him out to make the address to cover for the moron and nuke comments.

I love the way some of the political talking heads yesterday called Kelly’s address a forced statement by a hostage.

I’d say something about Trump’s character, but there is no need as he has none.

Our President is an Asshole!!!

(Three exclamation day in honor of Friday the 13th.)

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Belafon  Oct 13, 2017 • 7:23:21am

re: #282 Anymouse 🌹

That depends. In a lot of rural areas veterans live in great quantities, because retired pay or disability is too low to live in expensive cities. (For example, more than half my town is either veterans, spouses, or dependent children.)

For those drawing retired pay they still have access to military facilities, for the disabled access to VA facilities. Both have Tricare/CHAMPUS for spouses and dependants.

Most people, though, aren’t veterans.

And then throw in the damage being done to children. With CHIP currently running out of money due to Republican inaction, that’s going to add to the problems in rural areas.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 13, 2017 • 7:24:01am

Happy Navy Day (Oct 13).

Double happy, I won the Wyoming Lottery! (Well, $5, but still.)

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lawhawk  Oct 13, 2017 • 7:24:57am
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ObserverArt  Oct 13, 2017 • 7:29:14am

re: #283 William Lewis

Nope because of all the generations of poor whites being told they’re poor because all the non-whites live in cities on welfare. Truth can’t magically sink in.

Los Angeles
Chicago
Philadelphia
Atlanta
Detroit

All cities that have been the most used examples since I’ve been aware of politics, which is the day John F. Kennedy was shot and killed. 1963…and nothing has changed in that regard.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 13, 2017 • 7:35:00am

re: #286 Anymouse 🌹

Happy Navy Day (Oct 13).

Double happy, I won the Wyoming Lottery! (Well, $5, but still.)

Back in my day the Navy Exchange would have 5$ cases of “beer” on payday.

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I cannot.  Oct 13, 2017 • 7:36:23am

You might want to look at status.pr

A few days ago, the electrical service percentage was up in the mid-high teens, now it is at 9%

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ObserverArt  Oct 13, 2017 • 7:43:00am

Just saw this posted elsewhere…Carpetbagger Rand Paul on Morning Joke today.

At about the 5 minute mark Rand is all proud about getting people out of the individual health insurance marketand to get into a big group plan with all the benefits of a group plane like a Amazon or Coke-A-Cola can get.

Hey Rand. Here is an idea for a big group plan. How about everyone in America in one big group!

Senator Rand Paul On ACA Order: We Are Trying To Empower The Consumer | Morning Joe | MSNBC

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Belafon  Oct 13, 2017 • 7:45:14am

re: #291 ObserverArt

Just saw this posted elsewhere…Carpetbagger Rand Paul on Morning Joke today.

At about the 5 minute mark Rand is all proud about getting people out of the individual health insurance marketand to get into a big group plan with all the benefits of a group plane like a Amazon or Coke-A-Cola can get.

Hey Rand. Here is an idea for a big group plan. How about everyone in America in one big group!

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So, he’s proud of getting everyone out of a group plan and into a crappier group plan.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 13, 2017 • 7:47:06am

re: #292 Belafon

So, he’s proud of getting everyone out of a group plan and into a crappier group plan.

Right. Won’t it be easy to make a “young and healthy” group and an “old and/or pre-existing conditions” group and charge them differently?

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Sir John Barron  Oct 13, 2017 • 7:52:58am

re: #291 ObserverArt

At about the 5 minute mark Rand is all proud about getting people out of the individual health insurance market…

Wait I thought the whole conservative less government freedom capitalism personal responsibility liberty agenda was all about individual markets…

Nothing makes sense anymore. But I guess if Obama and the Democrats were for these individual health markets, then they must be bad. /

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lawhawk  Oct 13, 2017 • 7:54:09am

re: #293 Barefoot Grin

Right. Won’t it be easy to make a “young and healthy” group and an “old and/or pre-existing conditions” group and charge them differently?

The GOP simply refuses to understand how insurance works as a concept or in reality. They are purposefully lying about how it works, and what the consequences of splitting out the sick people from the general population and what it does for everyone.

For those in high risk pool, their costs will absolutely skyrocket. For others, they’ll see some reduction at least until they end up in the high risk pool because no one knows when they’ll get cancer or any other preexisting condition that will cause them to shift into the high risk pool.

GOP refuses to address how insurance actuaries compute risk, costs, and premiums, and that with a sufficiently large pool, they can estimate the costs and determine the premiums across the pool.

But the more immediate issue is that the CSR EO is illegal on its face - Trump has no grounds on which he can withhold or reduce payment. The law is absolutely clear - the CSR must be paid (shall be). This is basic legal interpretation of law. If the law said may be paid, then Trump could have grounds to withhold some or all. But the mandatory requirement means that any lawsuit challenging Trump would win on its face.

The outcome would be restoring those funds, but Trump’s sabotage will have caused a premium spike anyways. The GOP applause for this should be recorded and included on every Democrats’ ad campaigns for the 2018 midterms, and all the special elections being held this year.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 13, 2017 • 7:55:02am

Well, with Dotard’s latest attempts to sabotage the ACA, he will now actually hurt his own poor white trash base.

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scottslemmons  Oct 13, 2017 • 7:57:00am

re: #281 Belafon

The $24,000 question: Is there any way to get these voters to understand that it’s not the cities that are hurting them, but Republicans?

We should stop trying to convert them. They’ll never convert. We should be trying to convince them to emigrate to Russia, Land of True Trumpian Glory.

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Citizen K  Oct 13, 2017 • 7:57:04am

Trump speaking at Value Voters Summit right now. Daniel Dale is live-tweeting and…christ, this is illuminating.

Yep. He really fucking thinks of it as a completely different country. Just like PR I assume. Among other things, he’s honest to god treating the “War on Christmas” like a real thing and giving all the lipservice to the Evangelical persecution complex psychos, all because, in his words:

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 13, 2017 • 7:57:30am
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lawhawk  Oct 13, 2017 • 7:58:06am

re: #296 Dr. Matt

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Sir John Barron  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:00:12am

re: #298 Citizen K

Trump, speaking to the Values Voter Summit, says the people he likes are the people who said nice things about him before they met him.

— Daniel Dale

What a disgrace.

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Citizen K  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:01:23am

re: #301 Sir John Barron

But remember, it was Obama who was the narcissist, because he used ‘I’ a lot in his speeches… //////

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Belafon  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:03:47am

re: #298 Citizen K

I’m glad he won’t like me.

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Belafon  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:06:24am

re: #302 Citizen K

But remember, it was Obama who was the narcissist, because he used ‘I’ a lot in his speeches… //////

I’m pretty sure they think narcissist means someone who smokes.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:08:38am

re: #78 scottslemmons

Because Trump, the Republicans, and the Republican-led Supreme Court want the ACA dead.

Enrollment starts Nov. 1, right? I’m wondering if the insurance companies are ecstatic or tearing their hair out.

They already priced this in. They can’t be happy though.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:08:40am

I have a feeling Trump’s ACA EO will be deemed illegal and won’t actually be implemented. But that’s only part of the point. That he wanted to do this to begin with is the big thing.

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ObserverArt  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:10:09am

Seems a little slow for a Friday around here. Maybe because it is the 13th?

Anyway, we sometimes have a music Friday so why not now? This one is loud and noisy a good way to get the blood flowing.

So, in honor of some comments about Rage Furby from late last night posted in this thread I give you “When Yer Twenty Two” by the Flaming Lips.

The Flaming Lips When Yer Twenty Two

Stuck in the perpetual motion
Dying against the machine
The whole thing leaves
You a nothing instead of a these
The sun is black and the black halos fly
And your number is backwards again when you try
The sound is so cute when you’re 22
When you’re 22

Eggs break when you walk on the scramble
You’re living against the machine
The whole thing leaves
You a nothing instead of a these
The bone is cracked and the cracked eggshells fly
And your number is backwards again when you drive
The whole thing’s removed when you’re 22
When you’re 22

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Dr. Matt  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:11:14am

The Dow is up right now, but Humana, Aetna, Unitedhealth, and Cigna are all down.

finance.yahoo.com
finance.yahoo.com
finance.yahoo.com
finance.yahoo.com

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Citizen K  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:12:49am

Possibly the most succinct and revealing comment re:Trump and the GOP in general.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:14:32am

Hey, I’m getting a raise.
Thank you my fellow tax payers.

Now, I just need to see if my contribution to my health and dental insurance increases.

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ObserverArt  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:17:35am

re: #298 Citizen K

Trump speaking at Value Voters Summit right now. Daniel Dale is live-tweeting and…christ, this is illuminating.

Daniel Dale ✔@ddale8
Trump, speaking to the Values Voter Summit, says the people he likes are the people who said nice things about him before they met him.
10:24 AM - Oct 13, 2017

Wait. Does this mean what we all have thought…he only likes his family?

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makeitstop  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:17:55am

re: #306 GlutenFreeJesus

I have a feeling Trump’s ACA EO will be deemed illegal and won’t actually be implemented. But that’s only part of the point. That he wanted to do this to begin with is the big thing.

And when the EO is shot down, he’ll blame Congress. Just watch.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:19:20am

re: #99 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

It’s occurred to me that we will probably not have a Vietnam veteran serve as President of the United States, unless some current unknown can run in 2020 or, at the outside, ‘24.

Three have run, Gore, Kerry, and McCain, and all three lost.

Maybe I should run. I seem to be a billion or more short of the required funds, though and I am not popular with Koch-heads and other evil types.

I noticed that awhile ago. The last WWII vet to run was Bob Dole in 1996, 51 years after the war ended. Men who served in some active theater of WWII at least a bit won six consecutive Presidential elections from ‘52-72, and got a seventh in ‘88. In 2020 it will have been 47 years since the US got out of Vietnam, and GHW Bush was the last war veteran to win a presidential election. Most voters just don’t seem to care whether a candidate served or not anymore.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:20:19am

re: #309 Citizen K

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Possibly the most succinct and revealing comment re:Trump and the GOP in general.

Which is textbook reactionary politics.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:21:42am

re: #313 Big Beautiful Door

I noticed that awhile ago. The last WWII vet to run was Bob Dole in 1996, 51 years after the war ended. Men who served in some active theater of WWII at least a bit won six consecutive Presidential elections from ‘52-72, and got a seventh in ‘88. In 2020 it will have been 47 years since the US got out of Vietnam, and GHW Bush was the last war veteran to win a presidential election. Most voters just don’t seem to care whether a candidate served or not anymore.

I think it’s because fewer percentage wise Americans have served than in the past. Not to mention the nuances about Vietnam and the Gulf Wars.

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scottslemmons  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:22:06am

re: #312 makeitstop

And when the EO is shot down, he’ll blame Congress. Just watch.

Activist judges. And the NFL.

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lawhawk  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:22:36am

re: #313 Big Beautiful Door

Fewer and fewer Americans serve in the US Armed Forces, so the pool of veterans is shrinking. Even with the GWOT, fewer Americans have served in combat. So the notion that serving in the military is a stepping stone to political office is falling by the wayside.

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Citizen K  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:23:41am

re: #313 Big Beautiful Door

I noticed that awhile ago. The last WWII vet to run was Bob Dole in 1996, 51 years after the war ended. Men who served in some active theater of WWII at least a bit won six consecutive Presidential elections from ‘52-72, and got a seventh in ‘88. In 2020 it will have been 47 years since the US got out of Vietnam, and GHW Bush was the last war veteran to win a presidential election. Most voters just don’t seem to care whether a candidate served or not anymore.

Part of it being how easily all three got smeared in spite (and in Kerry and McCain’s cases, because) of their service by opponents further to their right who didn’t really serve at all, and part because Vietnam is still kind of seen as a black mark on our history the way WWII wasn’t. You know how much America loves our winners.

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ObserverArt  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:23:48am

re: #306 GlutenFreeJesus

I have a feeling Trump’s ACA EO will be deemed illegal and won’t actually be implemented. But that’s only part of the point. That he wanted to do this to begin with is the big thing.

I guess some think he did this to force the Democrats and Republicans to work together. Also heard some say it is a way to torment Mitch and Pauly.

Throw a wrench into the workings of the machine and force a shutdown before it all blows up and then a repair/rebuild.

So in a way he does not intend to do anything other than how he is apparently doing the Iran deal and how he did the transgendered in the military. Cause a panic by fucking things up and then forcing someone else to fix it.

They said he liked the chaos theory. Here we are. Chaos.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:24:41am

re: #318 Citizen K

Part of it being how easily all three got smeared in spite (and in Kerry and McCain’s cases, because) of their service by opponents further to their right who didn’t really serve at all, and part because Vietnam is still kind of seen as a black mark on our history the way WWII wasn’t. You know how much America loves our winners.

There’s that too.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:26:19am

“Times have changed, but now they’re changing back again,” says [Trump]; “professional sports will be pure once again as fair-skinned boys will vie with each other on the gridiron without the presence of the players who kneel during our anthem,” he continued…///

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Belafon  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:27:23am

re: #319 ObserverArt

I guess some think he did this to force the Democrats and Republicans to work together. Also heard some say it is a way to torment Mitch and Pauly.

Throw a wrench into the workings of the machine and force a shutdown before it all blows up and then a repair/rebuild.

So in a way he does not intend to do anything other than how he is apparently doing the Iran deal and how he did the transgendered in the military. Cause a panic by fucking things up and then forcing someone else to fix it.

They said he liked the chaos theory. Here we are. Chaos.

His drive is to undo Obama. The progress we made was electing a black man. He thinks undoing Obama’s accomplishments will return us to before black man (BBM).

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:30:48am

re: #316 scottslemmons

Activist judges.

Trump will blame “obstructionist Democrats” when/if his ACA EO goes down in flames. Trump’s MO is to blame everyone but himself.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:31:05am

re: #322 Belafon

His drive is to undo Obama. The progress we made was electing a black man. He thinks undoing Obama’s accomplishments will return us to before black man (BBM).

And the right and Republican Party are eager to help him in that goal.

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ObserverArt  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:32:44am

re: #322 Belafon

His drive is to undo Obama. The progress we made was electing a black man. He thinks undoing Obama’s accomplishments will return us to before black man (BBM).

Yeah this is true obviously.

But the thing is he does it in such a chickenshit way. And he doesn’t realize he is icing his own reputation as the worst President ever. So in the end he is going to be the loser and everything he hates about others, especially Obama.

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gocart mozart  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:32:57am

re: #309 Citizen K

“Times have changed, but now they’re changing back again,” says [Trump]; “professional sports will be pure once again as fair-skinned boys will vie with each other on the gridiron without the presence of the players who kneel during our anthem,” he continued…///

BILLY BRAGG - The Times They Are A-Changing Back (2017.08.12, Wien, WUK)

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:33:06am
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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:33:45am

Oops. I opened the twitter app. No more of that today.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:34:45am

re: #327 FormerDirtDart

He’s going to withdraw.

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:34:54am

Sigh……

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:37:30am

This is the Putin formula, too.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:37:55am

re: #330 Ace-o-aces

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Sigh……

People are so stupid.

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ObserverArt  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:38:05am

I am continuing my ongoing protests of Twitter and Facebook. This hopefully will continue forever. I don’t want to be a part of a club of billions that would have me as a member!

(A tip o’ the hat to Marx…Groucho)

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Belafon  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:41:53am

re: #331 Barefoot Grin

This is the Putin formula, too.

And his God is Mammon.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:44:59am

re: #333 ObserverArt

I am continuing my ongoing protests of Twitter and Facebook. This hopefully will continue forever. I don’t want to be a part of a club of billions that would have me as a member!

(A tip o’ the hat to Marx…Groucho)

I’m kinda withdrawing from twitter.

Hoping there’s no women on there today.

I’ll be back tomorrow.

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Jay C  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:45:13am

re: #327 FormerDirtDart

More brilliant diplomacy from the Yam Administration, then? Don’t kill the JCPOA, but just keep it around as an Iran-bashing talking-point for Trump to spout off about wherever and whenever?

Gee, that should give the rest of the world a lot of confidence in American foreign policy…
//// as if it’s really needed

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Mike Lamb  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:46:54am

re: #327 FormerDirtDart

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So we’re withdrawing…

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Mike Lamb  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:48:26am

re: #331 Barefoot Grin

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This is the Putin formula, too.

It’s just unreal that these brainwashed fucks believe that Trump is a man of faith.

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ObserverArt  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:50:25am

re: #338 Mike Lamb

It’s just unreal that these brainwashed fucks believe that Trump is a man of faith.

It all comes down to faith. In Trump they trust.

And they will never admit he is a bust.

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Jay C  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:50:52am

re: #338 Mike Lamb

It’s just unreal that these brainwashed fucks believe that Trump is a man of faith.

Hey - he’ll support their political agenda, and they’ll support his: everything else can be overlooked…..

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Birth Control Works  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:51:32am

HEADACHE GONE

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:52:39am

re: #338 Mike Lamb

It’s just unreal that these brainwashed fucks believe that Trump is a man of faith.

They think anyone is as long as they kiss their ass.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:53:14am

re: #339 ObserverArt

It all comes down to faith. In Trump they trust.

And they will never admit he is a bust.

Their pride is on the line - a loss of face would be too much for them to bear. So they trudge on in their lunatic delusions.

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Birth Control Works  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:53:51am

I’d love to know why, it seems, that all the sudden street drugs are being researched. Seems scientists are finding out what the uninsured have known for years:

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:55:31am

re: #153 Joe Bacon 🌹

Mormons need to wake up and realize that it’s only a matter of time before Radical Right Xtians turn on them…

I’ve been telling my RC father that also. These people are not your friends, they are just tolerating the RC people right now.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:56:32am

re: #345 Eventual Carrion

I’ve been telling my RC father that also. These people are not your friends, they are just tolerating the RC people right now.

Yep. Just a temporary alliance.

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Belafon  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:56:55am

re: #344 Birth Control Works

I’d love to know why, it seems, that all the sudden street drugs are being researched. Seems scientists are finding out what the uninsured have known for years:

Did Obama loosen some of the restrictions on researching these drugs? I know a lot of our lack of progress has been because the rules have prevented research in these areas.

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danarchy  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:57:39am

re: #213 teleskiguy

My high school had a shooting range and every year around thanksgiving they did a “turkey shoot”. Anyone could go down to the range, you got ten rounds and a bolt action .22 rifle and they would give away a bunch of turkeys to the people who scored best.

I can’t imagine a school handing students rifles and live ammo these days, even if it is just a .22 bolt action. Kind of a shame, that was a lot of fun.

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Birth Control Works  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:59:27am

wtf?

Who poses for pictures in their bedroom?

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Belafon  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:00:50am

re: #336 Jay C

More brilliant diplomacy from the Yam Administration, then? Don’t kill the JCPOA, but just keep it around as an Iran-bashing talking-point for Trump to spout off about wherever and whenever?

Gee, that should give the rest of the world a lot of confidence in American foreign policy…
//// as if it’s really needed

There was the story from a few days ago about how most of the people in the government, including a number of Trump’s cabinet, don’t want the US to withdraw. So, this, not withdrawing but allowing Trump to talk about how bad it is for the US, is probably the solution they came up with. According to the story, Trump has been furious that he cannot pull out of it: dailykos.com:

[Trump] was incensed by the arguments of Secretary of State Rex ­Tillerson, Defense Secretary Jim Mattis and others that the landmark 2015 deal, while flawed, offered stability and other benefits. He did not want to certify to Congress that the agreement remained in the vital U.S. national security interest and that Iran was meeting its obligations. He did not think either was true.

“He threw a fit,” said one person familiar with the meeting. “… He was furious. Really furious. It’s clear he felt jammed.”

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Jay C  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:04:17am

re: #350 Belafon

“He threw a fit,” said one person familiar with the meeting. “… He was furious. Really furious. It’s clear he felt jammed.”

Apparently Our Preznit’s standard response whenever reality doesn’t comport to what he thinks it should be.

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makeitstop  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:04:45am

re: #349 Birth Control Works

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Who poses for pictures in their grandmother’s bedroom?

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:04:53am

re: #315 HappyWarrior

I think it’s because fewer percentage wise Americans have served than in the past. Not to mention the nuances about Vietnam and the Gulf Wars.

I served during the Persian Gulf War (but not in the theatre of combat, I was in Spain). Does that count? (Also Bosnia off the coast, pulling our Marines out from Lebanon, &c)

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Stanley Sea  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:06:09am

re: #349 Birth Control Works

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Who poses for pictures in their bedroom?

I wonder if Marla, then Melania got new beds or were they stuck with the original.

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I cannot.  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:06:51am

re: #349 Birth Control Works

The bed is in the MIDDLE of the room?

That’s no bedroom, its a porno set. (probably literally)

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Birth Control Works  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:08:18am
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FormerDirtDart  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:08:25am

re: #298 Citizen K

Trump speaking at Value Voters Summit right now. Daniel Dale is live-tweeting and…christ, this is illuminating.

“Let’s go to the video…”

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Birth Control Works  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:08:48am

re: #355 I cannot.

The bed is in the MIDDLE of the room?

That’s no bedroom, its a porno set. (probably literally)

That was my thought exactly.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:08:57am

re: #344 Birth Control Works

I’d love to know why, it seems, that all the sudden street drugs are being researched. Seems scientists are finding out what the uninsured have known for years:

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Because anecdotal evidence from street drug users is not scientific research.

Certain street drugs are being allowed now for laboratory-controlled experimentation to find exactly how they work and what they do.

Rounding up a thousand magic mushroom users and asking them in a survey how often they took it, what dose, what was the effects, &c is not research.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:09:19am

re: #357 FormerDirtDart

He really is dumber than a bag of hammers.

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Birth Control Works  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:09:37am

re: #359 Anymouse 🌹

Because anecdotal evidence from street drug users is not scientific research.

Certain street drugs are being allowed now for laboratory-controlled experimentation to find exactly how they work and what they do.

Rounding up a thousand magic mushroom users and asking them in a survey how often they took it, what dose, what was the effects, &c is not research.

but why now?

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makeitstop  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:09:39am

re: #357 FormerDirtDart

“Let’s go to the video…”

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He looks like utter shit.

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Belafon  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:11:35am

re: #356 Birth Control Works

Libertarianism - All the benefits of living in a economic power without accepting any responsibility for maintaining the country.

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ObserverArt  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:12:39am

re: #345 Eventual Carrion

I’ve been telling my RC father that also. These people are not your friends, they are just tolerating the RC people right now.

Remind him of Martin Niemöller’s “First they came for the _, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a _.

His warning probably fits today as much as any time since it was first stated.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:13:08am

re: #356 Birth Control Works

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You may have missed this, but today is no women on twitter day.

We are all staying away.

Wondering if anyone is noticing.

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makeitstop  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:13:25am

This fucking guy. Lying sack o’crap.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:13:38am

re: #362 makeitstop

He looks like utter shit.

My impression was medicated

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:14:51am

Read the whole thread.

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ObserverArt  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:14:54am

re: #349 Birth Control Works

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Who poses for pictures in their bedroom?

Someone who thinks he is a man’s man and the gift to all women everywhere.

Someone like Trump.

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makeitstop  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:15:50am

re: #368 FormerDirtDart

My impression was medicated

I didn’t watch the video, I’m just going by the still.

It wouldn’t surprise me at all if they loaded him up with some kind of tranquilizer, though. Before long, that’ll be the only way to control his psychotic ass.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:16:36am

re: #361 Birth Control Works

but why now?

It was permitted during the Obama Administration’s second term.

I’m surprised Donald Trump hasn’t cut it off yet, possibly because he doesn’t know.

It is similar to marihuana research. It has long been cut off here, though many other nations conduct such research. The issue is that it is improperly classified as a Schedule I drug (no medical value, high potential for abuse, no accepted safety standard for medical use), from the Controlled Substances Act of 1970 (thanks, Richard Nixon).

Of note, cocaine is Schedule II. My epilepsy drug moves around from Schedule IV to Schedule II, depending on the whims of the FDA.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:16:36am

re: #371 makeitstop

I didn’t watch the video, I’m just going by the still.

It wouldn’t surprise me at all if they loaded him up with some kind of tranquilizer, though. Before long, that’ll be the only way to control his psychotic ass.

Holy shit, that’s like something straight out of some dystopian black comedy.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:19:42am

re: #353 Anymouse 🌹

I served during the Persian Gulf War (but not in the theatre of combat, I was in Spain). Does that count? (Also Bosnia off the coast, pulling our Marines out from Lebanon, &c)

Yeah but we’re talking about presidential candidates and I was talking about in general about how less people serve now than they did in the past.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:23:02am

re: #367 makeitstop

This fucking guy. Lying sack o’crap.

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Ah, the modern version of the Nixon tape gap.

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nines09  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:25:29am

re: #357 FormerDirtDart

He’s on some kind of high end chemical cocktail. Thought I should clear that up.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:26:19am
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Birth Control Works  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:26:42am

re: #366 Stanley Sea

You may have missed this, but today is no women on twitter day.

We are all staying away.

Wondering if anyone is noticing.

ah, thanks for the heads-up

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Belafon  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:26:47am

re: #374 HappyWarrior

Yeah but we’re talking about presidential candidates and I was talking about in general about how less people serve now than they did in the past.

Consecutive world wars and a Cold War will do that to a country.

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:27:20am
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Belafon  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:27:34am

re: #377 FormerDirtDart

How about R’s, McMaster?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:27:43am

re: #377 FormerDirtDart

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McMaster in short, my boss is an ill tempered brat.

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Belafon  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:28:34am

re: #366 Stanley Sea

You may have missed this, but today is no women on twitter day.

We are all staying away.

Wondering if anyone is noticing.

I hate to say it, but it would take a large chunk of people deleting their accounts for it to have an effect.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:28:48am

re: #380 Ace-o-aces

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I bet there’s a lot of gropers at the value voters summit.

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Birth Control Works  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:28:49am

It’s Friday te 13th.

I’m a little slow this morning.

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Skip Intro  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:31:59am

re: #367 makeitstop

This fucking guy. Lying sack o’crap.

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He and Jared ought to be cellmates.

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makeitstop  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:32:24am

re: #373 Dr Lizardo

Holy shit, that’s like something straight out of some dystopian black comedy.

Yep, here we are.

It’s like we elected Pink from ‘The Wall’ president.

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ObserverArt  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:32:29am

re: #359 Anymouse 🌹

Because anecdotal evidence from street drug users is not scientific research.

Certain street drugs are being allowed now for laboratory-controlled experimentation to find exactly how they work and what they do.

Rounding up a thousand magic mushroom users and asking them in a survey how often they took it, what dose, what was the effects, &c is not research.

Not really. It is because in the 70s people freaked out about drugs and tossed a lot of them into the schedule 1 category as defined by the DEA. A lot of it was Nixon.

When on that list I believe they were not even allowed to be researched by the medical and pharma industries.

It was the street use that may have given some clue to people they were not as dangerous as thought and may have some benefits.

I am not sure if it was Obama, but there apparently was a relaxing for researchers to look into the benefits they offer.

I’ve read where psychedelics like LSD and what GGT is commenting on may be very beneficial to depression sufferers, Alzheimer’s patients, PTSD victims and Traumatic Brain Injury recovery.

We’ve already heard about all the benefits from Marijuana research for all kinds of ailments like pain reducing/redirection, appetite benefits for chemo patients, etc.

It was panic by politicians that shut down the research.

What always surprised me was many of these drugs come from Mother Nature/God and early civilizations used them, so in a way for the religious…God put them here for a reason. Of course they need to be controlled, regulated and need education, etc.

Also, we have more problems with many accepted pharmaceuticals but that gets ignored because politics and business.

Here is a link to the DEA schedules.

DEA Drug Schedules

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:34:06am

re: #387 Skip Intro

He and Jared ought to be cellmates.

He’d look good in an orange jump suit.

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Belafon  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:34:49am

re: #389 ObserverArt

Putting marijuana on schedule 1 allowed a lot more blacks to be arrested. We definitely wouldn’t want to find out using them is a good thing.

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ObserverArt  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:36:45am

re: #367 makeitstop

This fucking guy. Lying sack o’crap.

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Did you happen to catch my comment above with the video from Ari Melber’s show last evening on MSNBC? He has been hammering Facebook. You might be interested since you seem to be following the Facebook collusion too.

Comment #275

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JordanRules  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:37:12am

So Twitter & Facebook both lost data that could be important to the Russian election interference investigation? Lovely.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:38:30am

re: #381 Belafon

How about R’s, McMaster?

This thread may provide something of an answer along those lines

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Belafon  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:43:25am

re: #394 FormerDirtDart

Thanks (thanks to twitter blocks, I only see half the tweets right now - the even ones in this case - but I sort of get the idea). I’ll look at the rest later.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:48:21am

I wonder if Governor Mapp of the US Virgin Islands ought to troll Donald Trump by sending a tweet in his direction in a Third World dictator military outfit with a brass band playing the “National Anthem of the US Virgin Islands,” and invite him to a state dinner.

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makeitstop  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:49:46am

re: #392 ObserverArt

Did you happen to catch my comment above with the video from Ari Melber’s show last evening on MSNBC? He has been hammering Facebook. You might be interested since you seem to be following the Facebook collusion too.

Comment #275

Yes, I watched that. I’m glad someone is on it. Eric Garland has been riding the issue hard on his Twitter feed, calling out both FB and Twitter.

It pisses me off that both Facebook and Twitter have deleted what amounts to evidence in this case. There had better be some real-world consequences for that shit. It better hurt, and paying a fine won’t cut it.

Both Jack and Zuck have some tall explaining to do. I hope Mueller hits them both with the full force of the law.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:50:58am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:50:59am

So Tech Companies are above the law now…guess we should have seen that coming.

Can you believe Trump still has 3 plus years left on his term?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:51:28am

re: #398 Birth Control Works

69 Republicans vote against aid for Puerto Rico, other disaster sites

But they’ll still call themselves pro life.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:51:48am

re: #381 Belafon

How about R’s, McMaster?

The Republicans could pass such a bill without a single Democratic vote.

The truth seems to be even HR McMaster knows that the Republicans can’t organise a church rummage sale, much less their caucus. He knows that won’t pass without Democratic support (and the Democrats have absolutely no reason to support that).

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TedStriker  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:52:23am

re: #398 Birth Control Works

69 Republicans vote against aid for Puerto Rico, other disaster sites

re: #399 HappyWarrior

Assholes.

re: #401 Eclectic Cyborg

But they’ll still call themselves pro life.

What a load of shit:

Rep. Mark Walker (N.C.), who leads the Republican Study Committee, also voted against the legislation due to the lack of offsets.

“Hurricane aid shouldn’t be added to the debt. That’s akin to going to the Emergency Room after an injury, putting the charges on a credit card, and then pretending that the Visa bill is never going to arrive,” Walker wrote in a Wall Street Journal op-ed.

Son of a bitch.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:53:23am

re: #403 TedStriker

Son of a bitch.

I hope that asshole has something bad happen to him.

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TedStriker  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:54:29am

re: #403 TedStriker

Son of a bitch.

re: #404 HappyWarrior

I hope that asshole has something bad happen to him.

I seriously doubt he’d be singing the same tune the next time a major hurricane hits NC.

Craven motherfucker…

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Birth Control Works  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:55:05am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:55:25am

re: #405 TedStriker

I seriously doubt he’d be singing the same tune the next time a major hurricane hits NC.

Craven motherfucker…

That’s the thing isn’t it? These guys are all against government until they need it and it impacts them. That’s the conservative ideology in this country. Government is bad until I need it.

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Birth Control Works  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:56:01am

re: #403 TedStriker

Our nation exists on debt. All nations exist on debt, wish these assholes would read history.

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Birth Control Works  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:56:22am

re: #400 Eclectic Cyborg

So Tech Companies are above the law now…guess we should have seen that coming.

Can you believe Trump still has 3 plus years left on his term?

thanks

/

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TedStriker  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:56:41am

re: #407 HappyWarrior

That’s the thing isn’t it? These guys are all against government until they need it and it impacts them. That’s the conservative ideology in this country. Government is bad until I need it.

“And fuck everyone else”

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:57:16am
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I Would Prefer Not To  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:57:45am

re: #349 Birth Control Works

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Who poses for pictures in their bedroom?

That’s a bedroom? Based on the decor I assumed it was a brothel.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:57:51am

re: #398 Birth Control Works

69 Republicans vote against aid for Puerto Rico, other disaster sites

A good chunk of those GOP reps are in areas that are affected by tropical cyclones.

All of Florida’s reps voted for it, since it included Hurricane Irma aid (in other words, it affected their districts personally).

Compassionate conservatism.

To his credit, my wingnut representative (Adrian Smith, NE-3) voted in favour of both aid packages.

I should send Mr. Smith a letter praising his vote (though he has me on “shred before reading” as he has publicly stated he only represents Republicans). Baby steps to encourage a conservative… .

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Belafon  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:58:48am

re: #408 Birth Control Works

Our nation exists on debt. All nations exist on debt, wish these assholes would read history.

Almost all people exist on debt. Those that don’t need to be made to worry more about those that do.

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Birth Control Works  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:59:00am

Black Leopard Cub learns to stalk:

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:59:08am
“Hurricane aid shouldn’t be added to the debt. That’s akin to going to the Emergency Room after an injury, putting the charges on a credit card, and then pretending that the Visa bill is never going to arrive,” Walker wrote in a Wall Street Journal op-ed.

Funny how that doesn’t apply when conservatives want to go to war (Afghanistan, Iraq).

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:59:36am

re: #416 Anymouse 🌹

Funny how that doesn’t apply when conservatives want to go to war (Afghanistan, Iraq).

Oh, that’s different. //

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:01:09am

re: #395 Belafon

Thanks (thanks to twitter blocks, I only see half the tweets right now - the even ones in this case - but I sort of get the idea). I’ll look at the rest later.

Basically, by not certifying Iran deal is in US National Interest congress needs topass legislation to re-impose sanctions, or, legislation designating triggering events/actions that would initiate sanctions to go into effect.

60 votes will be needed in the Senate, thus Ds needed.

McMaster seems to be looking for Ds to use process to remove 90 day presidential re-certifying requirements (which were enacted to cause periods of embarrassment/negative press to Dem. Pres.) during the process

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EPR-radar  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:01:09am

re: #416 Anymouse 🌹

Funny how that doesn’t apply when conservatives want to go to war (Afghanistan, Iraq).

Or when taxes on the rich need to be cut.

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makeitstop  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:02:25am

re: #392 ObserverArt

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:02:36am

re: #419 EPR-radar

Or when taxes on the rich need to be cut.

Or welfare is given to multinational corporations.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:03:11am

I wish more people would call them out on that. It’s not only hypocrisy but it’s heartless shit.

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Jay C  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:03:26am

re: #408 Birth Control Works

Our nation exists on debt. All nations exist on debt, wish these assholes would read be history.

FTFY

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ObserverArt  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:03:36am

re: #408 Birth Control Works

Our nation exists on debt. All nations exist on debt, wish these assholes would read history.

I’m still of the belief these guys know damn well what they are doing. Most of them have law degrees in addition to other studies. History is surely taught.

We use words like ‘craven’ and ‘willful ignorance’ because it is deliberate on their parts. They do it because they feed their ignorant bases.

What always gets me is too many times they are also very religious but fly in the face of that too.

The money is good, you just trade in your soul and reap the benefits of the lobbyists and party backers to do their bidding.

I never buy the act.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:05:02am

re: #424 ObserverArt

I’m still of the belief these guys know damn well what they are doing. Most of them have law degrees in addition to other studies. History is surely taught.

We use words like ‘craven’ and ‘willful ignorance’ because it is deliberate on their parts. They do it because they feed their ignorant bases.

What always gets me is too many times they are also very religious but fly in the face of that too.

The money is good, you just trade in your soul and reap the benefits of the lobbyists and party backers to do their bidding.

I never buy the act.

Agreed. Not ignorance but pure heartlessness.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:06:20am

re: #251 Anymouse 🌹

Discussed my political future with my wife. We had this discussion a couple years ago, but her position seems to have changed.

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CongoJack  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:06:27am

re: #418 FormerDirtDart

So.. Rs put in a provision in the Iran deal to make D Presidents look back (because really - when would there be a next R president looking at their horrible candidates - thanks Russia). But now that Donnie 2 scoops is president its a thorn in the side of the Rs and now they want to remove this item from the provision.

Chickens coming home to roost.

Cows back in the barn.

Assholes all around.

Fuck you Republicans for trying to use good legislation to score political points. But good job Rs you made have scored an “own goal” with this little gem.

Rs - never had negotiated in good faith. They are not good people and should be removed from office in November… every November.

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Birth Control Works  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:07:40am

re: #424 ObserverArt

I’m still of the belief these guys know damn well what they are doing. Most of them have law degrees in addition to other studies. History is surely taught.

We use words like ‘craven’ and ‘willful ignorance’ because it is deliberate on their parts. They do it because they feed their ignorant bases.

What always gets me is too many times they are also very religious but fly in the face of that too.

The money is good, you just trade in your soul and reap the benefits of the lobbyists and party backers to do their bidding.

I never buy the act.

All is produced for public consumption. Which, is what all organizations do. Somethings are not meant to be pubic and others it’s a matter of timing.

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Birth Control Works  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:08:33am

NEED . MOAR . COFFEE

but I don’t want to leave my heating pad.

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Mike Lamb  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:11:36am

re: #398 Birth Control Works

69 Republicans vote against aid for Puerto Rico, other disaster sites

I mean, what the fuck is this:

“Hurricane aid shouldn’t be added to the debt. That’s akin to going to the Emergency Room after an injury, putting the charges on a credit card, and then pretending that the Visa bill is never going to arrive,” Walker wrote in a Wall Street Journal op-ed.

This is such a horrible analogy it’s hard to know where to start. If you need to go to the ER, you don’t delay care while you plan your budget for the next 12 months.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:14:29am

re: #281 Belafon

The $24,000 question: Is there any way to get these voters to understand that it’s not the cities that are hurting them, but Republicans?

Very, very difficult. Everyone they trust: pastors, Fox News, Limbaugh, will be telling them lies.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:15:22am

re: #430 Mike Lamb

I mean, what the fuck is this:

“Hurricane aid shouldn’t be added to the debt. That’s akin to going to the Emergency Room after an injury, putting the charges on a credit card, and then pretending that the Visa bill is never going to arrive,” Walker wrote in a Wall Street Journal op-ed.

This is such a horrible analogy it’s hard to know where to start. If you need to go to the ER, you don’t delay care while you plan your budget for the next 12 months.

Not to mention most people are stuck with medical debt for years.

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Mike Lamb  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:15:25am

re: #408 Birth Control Works

Our nation exists on debt. All nations exist on debt, wish these assholes would read history.

But household budgets!!

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:16:02am

re: #207 JordanRules

Pretty excited cause my favorite show may be reboot ready. (Uhh, it hasn’t even been that long LOL)

Not expecting it. The Christmas movie is amazing enough but if this spins out from there I will not be mad at all. In fact, I’ll be pretty Psyched! *snort*

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Only saw it a few times when wife was watching it, but I thought it was a pretty good show too.

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ObserverArt  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:16:15am

re: #420 makeitstop

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Mike Lamb  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:17:41am

re: #432 Eclectic Cyborg

Not to mention most people are stuck with medical debt for years.

Mostly because assholes like this also want to make healthcare unaffordable.

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ObserverArt  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:18:17am

re: #425 HappyWarrior

Agreed. Not ignorance but pure heartlessness.

That is why I always say it is willful ignorance. Check out the definition if you are unfamiliar.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:19:24am

re: #437 ObserverArt

That is why I always say it is willful ignorance. Check out the definition if you are unfamiliar.

I have. It’s apt here.

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ObserverArt  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:23:36am

re: #432 Eclectic Cyborg

Not to mention most people are stuck with medical debt for years.

A buddy and I were talking about the debt a current young American faces in their lifetime.

Coming out of college in debt, adding additional debt to buy a home (if even possible) and then growing older still in debt only to run into health issues to add even more debt.

We came to the conclusion it is intended because it keeps everyone working for the banks, under control as far as behavior because you can’t be risky and then when you die they take what is left.

Ah the American Dream. What was that again? I can’t remember.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:25:30am

re: #336 Jay C

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More brilliant diplomacy from the Yam Administration, then? Don’t kill the JCPOA, but just keep it around as an Iran-bashing talking-point for Trump to spout off about wherever and whenever?

Gee, that should give the rest of the world a lot of confidence in American foreign policy…
//// as if it’s really needed

As I understand it, the Trump “plan” is to decertify the deal as not being in the US national security interest, and then to tell Congress not to vote new sanctions against Iran. IOW, its just a way to get Trump out of having to certify the deal every ninety days. Except it could backfire if enough Republicans feel like they have to vote for sanctions based on their campaign rhetoric.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:27:03am
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Belafon  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:28:08am

re: #441 Dr. Matt

In before someone says “If there is an America in 2020” or “If a Democrat gets elected.”

Yes and Yes on those.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:33:17am

re: #442 Belafon

In before someone says “If there is an America in 2020” or “If a Democrat gets elected.”

Yes and Yes on those.

If the Dems can’t turn Dotard into a 1-term “president”, then all hope is lost for the party and the country.

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CongoJack  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:33:19am

re: #441 Dr. Matt

re: #442 Belafon

And the rwnj response will be the same. How dare he/she go on foreign soil and bad-mouth America. And then bam… we are back in the cultural fight with the same crazies as we were in 2008 (to present).

I’ve said this before and I will say it again.

One older generation needs to die off so the younger generation with better education, understanding, and morals to take its place and fix the issues of the day.

I just hope it doesn’t take more than one generation to do this. My grandparents (well one side of them) are bigots. The other side was not (and sadly they are already gone - and were gone before I was born). I’m done thinking that this can be fixed by changing minds/attitudes. Faux News is too prevalent with the idiot, open-jawed mouth breathers to allow this change to happen.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:34:17am

re: #424 ObserverArt

I’m still of the belief these guys know damn well what they are doing. Most of them have law degrees in addition to other studies. History is surely taught.

We use words like ‘craven’ and ‘willful ignorance’ because it is deliberate on their parts. They do it because they feed their ignorant bases.

What always gets me is too many times they are also very religious but fly in the face of that too.

The money is good, you just trade in your soul and reap the benefits of the lobbyists and party backers to do their bidding.

I never buy the act.

It is why I called my senator Ben Sasse in an E-mail a liar for misrepresenting the scientific evidence surrounding when a foetus can feel pain in his support of a twenty-week ban on abortion so he can smuggle his religious views in with pseudoscientific claptrap.

He is lying. That is the only explanation.

I was called out by others (not here) who after reading my E-mail called me “emotional” for calling my senator a liar, and claiming an “emotional” argument will carry no weight.

In reality, my being a Democrat will carry no weight, which is why his office never responds to my letters and E-mails, and why I can never get through on the telephone (caller ID blocking). Calling him a liar is not emotional. It is a statement of fact.

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Renaissance_Man  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:34:30am

re: #439 ObserverArt

A buddy and I were talking about the debt a current young American faces in their lifetime.

Coming out of college in debt, adding additional debt to buy a home (if even possible) and then growing older still in debt only to run into health issues to add even more debt.

We came to the conclusion it is intended because it keeps everyone working for the banks, under control as far as behavior because you can’t be risky and then when you die they take what is left.

Ah the American Dream. What was that again? I can’t remember.

America has very much evolved into a plutocracy. Wealth has always bought influence and power, but wealth alone is rarely enough to compel obedience of the populace to maintain the societal structure that allows wealth. Aristocracy and monarchy compelled obedience through religion and the belief in the divine right. Dictatorships compel obedience through a monopoly on force. America now compels obedience through a modified religious method - worship of the rich and belief in their moral superiority.

From an academic point of view, some measure of compulsion has always been necessary because control of the means of production has always depended on control of the populace. This is the core idea behind Marxism (revolution to reclaim control of the means of production) and also the reason why Randian Objectivism is such a ludicrous fantasy (rich people don’t exist in a vacuum). I wonder, though, what will happen as automation becomes more prevalent and the means of production really doesn’t depend on a population any more. What happens as the rich realise that they don’t need other humans any more and that they only cost money to control?

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CongoJack  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:34:44am

re: #443 Dr. Matt

Well.. as things sit… Russia is still in control of our election system. So if Dotard stays I assume its more because of Russia (and the Republicans that just want their party to win - to hell with the country) than the Democratic Party.

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Renaissance_Man  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:37:49am

re: #443 Dr. Matt

If the Dems can’t turn Dotard into a 1-term “president”, then all hope is lost for the party and the country.

Unfortunately it’s not about the Democrats really. Democrats could be a model political party and nominate the second coming of Christ himself as a candidate, but it doesn’t matter as long as the electoral process is controlled by Republicans (through voter suppression and gerrymandering) and the Republican enablers that are CNN and the other major media sources.

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JordanRules  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:41:44am

re: #447 CongoJack

re: #448 Renaissance_Man

Yes!!!
Very important to remember all of this and push with all our might and whatever integrity we have left in our election system for 2018 so maybe we have a chance to fix some things before 2020.

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makeitstop  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:43:07am

re: #435 ObserverArt

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Jay C  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:44:14am

re: #440 Big Beautiful Door

As I understand it, the Trump “plan” is to decertify the deal as not being in the US national security interest, and then to tell Congress not to vote new sanctions against Iran. IOW, its just a way to get Trump out of having to certify the deal every ninety days. Except it could backfire if enough Republicans feel like they have to vote for sanctions based on their campaign rhetoric.

Well good luck with THAT - leaving it up to the likes of professional Iran-basher Sen. Tom Cotton to determine US policy towards the country? Yet another nakedly-political-cowardly responsibility-dump from this Maladministration: as usual, Trump wants to get credit/”ratings” for his “leadership”*; but no blame (or really, any responsibility) if (when) things go wrong. I imagine that if Congress votes any new/different sanctions on Iran, Preznit Asshole will just sign off on them, and then go off golfing, claiming “it’s Congress’s problem”.
Of course, this begs the issue of what the US is going to do if/when most of the rest of the world declines to sign on to making Iran the Permanent Designated Evil Boogeyman Of The Universe: especially if the Iranians keep to the terms of the JCPOA; as they have said they would regardless of what the US does.

*scare quotes (very) deliberate

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EPR-radar  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:46:47am

re: #446 Renaissance_Man

America has very much evolved into a plutocracy. Wealth has always bought influence and power, but wealth alone is rarely enough to compel obedience of the populace to maintain the societal structure that allows wealth. Aristocracy and monarchy compelled obedience through religion and the belief in the divine right. Dictatorships compel obedience through a monopoly on force. America now compels obedience through a modified religious method - worship of the rich and belief in their moral superiority.

From an academic point of view, some measure of compulsion has always been necessary because control of the means of production has always depended on control of the populace. This is the core idea behind Marxism (revolution to reclaim control of the means of production) and also the reason why Randian Objectivism is such a ludicrous fantasy (rich people don’t exist in a vacuum). I wonder, though, what will happen as automation becomes more prevalent and the means of production really doesn’t depend on a population any more. What happens as the rich realise that they don’t need other humans any more and that they only cost money to control?

Mass extermination. Obviously. If the plutocracy is not ended.

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gocart mozart  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:47:57am

Motion to change the name of the ‘Values Voters Summit’ to the GOTMAIB: the Gathering Of The Morally And Intellectually Bankrupt.

Do I hear a second?

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makeitstop  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:48:27am
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EPR-radar  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:49:25am

re: #453 gocart mozart

Motion to change the name of the ‘Values Voters Summit’ to the GOTMAIB: the Gathering Of The Morally And Intellectually Bankrupt.

Do I hear a second?

Satan’s Toilet is a good alternative name for the VVS for those who prefer brevity.

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Belafon  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:49:32am

re: #453 gocart mozart

How about GOTMINE: Gathering Of The Morally and Intellectually Non-Existent.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:51:09am

re: #454 makeitstop

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This is why millions of people have walked out of churches and they will never go back!

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CongoJack  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:51:35am

re: #456 Belafon

Haha,
I was trying to spell that as well.. beat me to it… I second this version :D

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Sir John Barron  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:51:37am

re: #454 makeitstop

Trump to Values Voter Summit: “We are stopping cold the attacks on Judeo-Christian values…We’re saying ‘merry Christmas’ again.”
— BuzzFeed News

I haven’t heard it much lately, Donny.

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JordanRules  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:51:54am

re: #454 makeitstop

Dumb-dumbs eating this shit up would be hilarious if they didn’t have a stranglehold on our country right now.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:51:54am
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Charles Johnson  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:52:09am
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Charles Johnson  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:52:17am
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Charles Johnson  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:52:26am
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Charles Johnson  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:52:35am
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Charles Johnson  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:52:43am
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Charles Johnson  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:53:31am
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Sir John Barron  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:53:39am

re: #465 Charles Johnson

Pres. Trump: “The Iranian regime has committed multiple violations of the agreement.”
— ABC News

Like what?

“Multiple violations!”

“Many people are saying….”

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Citizen K  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:53:58am

re: #455 EPR-radar

re: #456 Belafon

Belafon’s got my vote.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:54:24am

re: #464 Charles Johnson

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Hannity?!?!?!?

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JordanRules  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:54:35am

re: #464 Charles Johnson

Well that makes me feel better! ///

*primal screaming*

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Skip Intro  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:55:04am

re: #393 JordanRules

So Twitter & Facebook both lost data that could be important to the Russian election interference investigation? Lovely.

I wonder how many million rubles the Russians paid them to do that?

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:55:14am

Well, it is Friday the 13th…

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:55:40am

Another day sigh. We’re not even nine months into this.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:55:58am

re: #461 Charles Johnson

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And what do we hear from Jim Hoft or his pal Milo?

Nothing!

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CongoJack  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:57:09am

re: #468 Sir John Barron

Same shit he did during the campaign.

“You know people say I have the best…”
“Many people are saying…”
“Everyone knows…”

I remember talking to people while I canvased and they could not grasp that he was just giving bullshit in place of facts or a plan. They loved it - likely because they do this in their own life. But when other people do this it likely revolves around sports - Everyone knows that the need to . All all the person did was watch a talking head on ESPN say the same thing an hour before.

Morons with no original thoughts.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:57:29am

re: #464 Charles Johnson

Trump has consulted both Fox News’ Sean Hannity and former UN Ambassador—and staunch neoconservative—John Bolton on the matter. And each has dinged him for certifying the deal while privately urging him not to do so, one official noted.

These are impeccably credentialed super experts.

/

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Dr. Matt  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:57:43am

For the sake of the country (and the world), it’s time for every living ex-POTUS and ex-VP to put aside decorum and tradition and start lashing out against the Dotard.

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Citizen K  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:58:06am

I’m convinced we’re not surviving long enough to make it to the ‘18 elections.

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justaminute  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:58:39am

Hi,

My husband who is an Iranian American, reading Iranian sites in Farsi, said that Iran just called up their military, and called all the pasdar out of Iran, to return to Iran immediately.

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JordanRules  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:59:42am

re: #474 HappyWarrior

One thing that authoritarian regime expert, Sarah Kendzior, always reminds folks about is that things move really fast when bad actors are trying to consolidate power and undermine norms, democracy and popular will.

It’s still kind of amazing that it’s only been 9 months.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2017 • 11:00:35am

re: #481 JordanRules

One thing that authoritarian regime expert, Sarah Kendzior, always reminds folks about is that things move really fast when bad actors are trying to consolidate power and undermine norms, democracy and popular will.

It’s still kind of amazing that it’s only been 9 months.

Yep, we saw that in Nazi Germany. Things are falling apart so very fast.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 13, 2017 • 11:00:57am

It’s only a matter of time before the world dumps the dollar as the reserve currency and they dump treasury notes as they refuse to finance our debt.

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Jay C  Oct 13, 2017 • 11:01:02am

re: #475 Joe Bacon 🌹

And what do we hear from Jim Hoft or his pal Milo?

Nothing!

OK: so there’s ONE positive for today….

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makeitstop  Oct 13, 2017 • 11:01:06am

re: #463 Charles Johnson

The President’s daughter reads the “real news” on behalf of his campaign

Why is my first thought ‘I wonder what she’s getting paid?’

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CongoJack  Oct 13, 2017 • 11:01:27am

re: #479 Citizen K

I’m convinced we’re not surviving long enough to make it to the ‘18 elections.

This terrifies me. My wife doesn’t even want our kid (to be born any day now) to know that Dotard was even a President. We will do what the Egyptians did to Akhenaten after he changed Egyptian society to a new god… just remove the memory and the iconography of it and go back to the old ways.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 13, 2017 • 11:02:19am

re: #463 Charles Johnson

His “campaign”?

Things are so not normal.

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scottslemmons  Oct 13, 2017 • 11:03:01am

re: #479 Citizen K

I’m convinced we’re not surviving long enough to make it to the ‘18 elections.

You’re an optimist.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2017 • 11:03:12am

re: #486 CongoJack

This terrifies me. My wife doesn’t even want our kid (to be born any day now) to know that Dotard was even a President. We will do what the Egyptians did to Akhenaten after he changed Egyptian society to a new god… just remove the memory and the iconography of it and go back to the old ways.

My niece told my brother that Donald Duck is President. I wish she were right.

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makeitstop  Oct 13, 2017 • 11:04:08am

re: #479 Citizen K

I’m convinced we’re not surviving long enough to make it to the ‘18 elections.

Come on, man. This country is bigger than a bunch of trash grifters.

And they want you to give in to despair. Don’t do what they want.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2017 • 11:04:14am

re: #487 Sir John Barron

His “campaign”?

Things are so not normal.

You noticed that too huh. I’m wondering if Trump will try to somehow leave the Presidency to her. He clearly doesn’t care about the law so what’s violating the line of succession going to hurt?

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Mike Lamb  Oct 13, 2017 • 11:04:35am

re: #464 Charles Johnson

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Wait…he really mentioned Hannity? Bolton is a loon, but at least he’s got some legitimate expertise in the area. Admitting to consulting with Hannity? We are fucked.

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scottslemmons  Oct 13, 2017 • 11:05:00am

re: #486 CongoJack

This terrifies me. My wife doesn’t even want our kid (to be born any day now) to know that Dotard was even a President. We will do what the Egyptians did to Akhenaten after he changed Egyptian society to a new god… just remove the memory and the iconography of it and go back to the old ways.

That’s actually my plan when I take things over. Take Trump’s picture out of the gallery and throw it in the trash. Leave a blank space, never clean it, let it stay there as a reminder of our national shame.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 13, 2017 • 11:05:11am
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Dr. Matt  Oct 13, 2017 • 11:05:30am

Facebook still bristles with fake news

If you search for “Breitbart” on Facebook, one of the listings likely to pop up is a group featuring the news organization’s red logo, with more than 20,000 members. When you click to join, you’re asked to answer three questions, including whether you consider the government your enemy. But the group has no affiliation with the Breitbart news organization, and if an administrator lets you in, you’ll see a news feed consisting of mainstream news, conservative commentary and outright fabrications. The sketchiest posts link to fringe websites few have ever heard of.

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Belafon  Oct 13, 2017 • 11:06:06am

re: #490 makeitstop

Come on, man. This country is bigger than a bunch of trash grifters.

And they want you to give in to despair. Don’t do what they want.

Yes, they’re going to make things painful for a while after he’s gone, but we’ve survived internal crises before.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2017 • 11:06:18am

re: #492 Mike Lamb

Wait…he really mentioned Hannity? Bolton is a loon, but at least he’s got some legitimate expertise in the area. Admitting to consulting with Hannity? We are fucked.

I’d say I’m more qualified to discuss Iranian affairs than Hannity is and I only have two semesters of international relations and one semester of Middle Eastern history under my belt.

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EPR-radar  Oct 13, 2017 • 11:07:05am

re: #478 Dr. Matt

For the sake of the country (and the world), it’s time for every living ex-POTUS and ex-VP to put aside decorum and tradition and start lashing out against the Dotard.

My impossible dream is for the mainstream media to lock ranks vs. t**** and the Republicans. No more of this convenient forgetting of past Republican disasters. Not learning the lessons of history from the Nixon, Reagan and W Bush failures led directly to t****.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2017 • 11:07:09am

He wants to start a war with Iran but tell us more about how Hillary was a warmongrel.

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scottslemmons  Oct 13, 2017 • 11:07:30am

re: #490 makeitstop

Come on, man. This country is bigger than a bunch of trash grifters.

And they want you to give in to despair. Don’t do what they want.

And you’re definitely an optimist.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2017 • 11:07:44am

re: #498 EPR-radar

My impossible dream is for the mainstream media to lock ranks vs. t**** and the Republicans. No more of this convenient forgetting of past Republican disasters. Not learning the lessons of history from the Nixon, Reagan and W Bush failures led directly to t****.

The thing is at least with Reagan, they don’t see him as a failure. They see Reagan as being akin to Washington and Lincoln.

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JordanRules  Oct 13, 2017 • 11:08:23am

re: #494 FormerDirtDart

Heather, you have no credibility!

You say one thing, the WH says another. This keeps happening and you know damn well that State doesn’t even know what is what. You have no credibility and that’s a big problem in your line of work.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2017 • 11:09:23am

They really need to have a medical doctor examine Trump. I think he’s senile or completely mad.

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EPR-radar  Oct 13, 2017 • 11:09:27am

re: #486 CongoJack

This terrifies me. My wife doesn’t even want our kid (to be born any day now) to know that Dotard was even a President. We will do what the Egyptians did to Akhenaten after he changed Egyptian society to a new god… just remove the memory and the iconography of it and go back to the old ways.

(borrowing an idea from a space opera I’m fond of) Make t**** the Faceless One. Any physical representation of him to be altered accordingly. Internet worms perpetually online to do the same for all digital images.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 13, 2017 • 11:10:54am

re: #494 FormerDirtDart

Don’t be fooled by TV headlines:We ARE staying in #IranNuclearDeal while we broaden our approach to account for Iran’s terror activities etc

— Heather Nauert

ETC.

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EPR-radar  Oct 13, 2017 • 11:11:31am

re: #497 HappyWarrior

I’d say I’m more qualified to discuss Iranian affairs than Hannity is and I only have two semesters of international relations and one semester of Middle Eastern history under my belt.

Millions of cat owners in this country fish things out of the cat box on a regular basis that are more qualified to opine on mideast affairs than Hannity (or t**** for that matter).

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Dr. Matt  Oct 13, 2017 • 11:12:51am

What is being censored? —> t****

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makeitstop  Oct 13, 2017 • 11:14:23am

re: #500 scottslemmons

And you’re definitely an optimist.

Never claimed to be anything but.

Sure, Trump’s doing some pretty fucked up shit. But what has he really accomplished?

Legislatively, he’s a fucking loser. He’s got full control of all branches of government and he hasn’t chalked up a single win yet. All he can do is sign EOs, and he hasn’t moved on most of the shit he’s signed so far.

Okay, he got one Supreme Court justice confirmed. But he didn’t even do that, McConnell did.

He’s the most unpopular president ever, and when the Russian shit really hits the fan, that will get a lot worse.

I lived through Nixon, and at the time we were counting the days until the demise of this nation.

We’re still here.

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HypnoToad  Oct 13, 2017 • 11:14:29am

re: #507 Dr. Matt

What is being censored? —> t****

I believe it is some sort of acronym for the Tangerine Fuckmuppet.*

* Thank-you Scotland.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2017 • 11:14:37am

re: #506 EPR-radar

Millions of cat owners in this country fish things out of the cat box on a regular basis that are more qualified to opine on mideast affairs than Hannity (or t**** for that matter).

It honestly wouldn’t shock me if Hannity A) Doesn’t know Iranians aren’t Arabs or B) That they’re predominately Shi’a and C) Anything about their history or culture. Man, this is so fucked up.

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Belafon  Oct 13, 2017 • 11:15:08am

re: #507 Dr. Matt

What is being censored? —> t****

It’s being done on purpose. There’s no actual censoring.

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Semper Fi  Oct 13, 2017 • 11:15:22am

re: #503 HappyWarrior

They really need to have a medical doctor examine Trump. I think he’s senile or completely mad.

He might even see himself as a Wartime President like old Adolph H.
A real honest to God Commander in Chief.

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EPR-radar  Oct 13, 2017 • 11:15:24am

re: #500 scottslemmons

And you’re definitely an optimist.

I’m not naturally an optimist. At all. However, sometimes a certain degree of optimism is required as part of a job (e.g., a project planner requires a certain level of professional optimism just to get the job done). The US political process is presently like this for sane people. Despair lets evil win, so some level of optimism is required just to mount a resistance.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 13, 2017 • 11:15:57am
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EPR-radar  Oct 13, 2017 • 11:16:05am

re: #507 Dr. Matt

What is being censored? —> t****

It’s my pet abbreviation for Trump. I long for the day when his name enters the language as the vilest of curses.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 13, 2017 • 11:16:41am

re: #515 EPR-radar

It’s my pet abbreviation for Trump. I long for the day when his name enters the language as the vilest of curses.

Ah. Gotcha

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Belafon  Oct 13, 2017 • 11:16:57am

Iran should declare that it will henceforth be known as Persia just to really screw with Trump.

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JordanRules  Oct 13, 2017 • 11:17:49am

re: #517 Belafon

I’m so all in for really high level trolling like that.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2017 • 11:17:52am

re: #517 Belafon

Iran should declare that it will henceforth be known as Persia just to really screw with Trump.

“A lot of people don’t know this but Iran totally disappeared yesterday.”

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Sir John Barron  Oct 13, 2017 • 11:22:34am

Watching The Purge: Election Year. Doesn’t seem all that far-fetched.

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wrenchwench  Oct 13, 2017 • 11:23:32am

re: #516 Dr. Matt

Ah. Gotcha

Alternatively, one could use *RUMP.

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A Mom Anon  Oct 13, 2017 • 11:24:39am

re: #398 Birth Control Works

I called my representative’s offices this morning just to let him know that even though the law passed without his stupid help (Barry Loudermilk, what a buffoon) it was a crappy and very non Christian thing to do. Especially since Barry likes to remind us regularly how important God is to him. Doubt he cares, but he needs to know he doesn’t just have Republicans in his district.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 13, 2017 • 11:24:44am

re: #416 Anymouse 🌹

Funny how that doesn’t apply when conservatives want to go to war (Afghanistan, Iraq).

Or cut taxes for the rich.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 13, 2017 • 11:27:37am

re: #521 wrenchwench

Alternatively, one could use *RUMP.

I still like Dotard for now. Shitler is my second favorite.

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ObserverArt  Oct 13, 2017 • 11:28:32am

re: #490 makeitstop

Come on, man. This country is bigger than a bunch of trash grifters.

And they want you to give in to despair. Don’t do what they want.

I got static for being melodramatic in regards to some of the Lizards that are always so negative.

Where is the criticism for this same melodrama only in the face of being positive?

Damn it. Pick up the fucking flag and fight. It might even make you feel better.

Was that too much? I’m trying to cut back….

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ObserverArt  Oct 13, 2017 • 11:30:58am

re: #497 HappyWarrior

I’d say I’m more qualified to discuss Iranian affairs than Hannity is and I only have two semesters of international relations and one semester of Middle Eastern history under my belt.

Yeah, but are you any good at ratings coming from feeding the bottom dwellers of our country? Hannity has that down.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2017 • 11:31:16am

re: #524 Dr. Matt

I still like Dotard for now. Shitler is my second favorite.

I think I’m going to start calling him Ill Douche.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2017 • 11:31:34am

re: #526 ObserverArt

Yeah, but are you any good at ratings coming from feeding the bottom dwellers of our country? Hannity has that down.

Ha, no can’t say I am.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 13, 2017 • 11:31:40am

re: #508 makeitstop

Never claimed to be anything but.

Sure, Trump’s doing some pretty fucked up shit. But what has he really accomplished?

Legislatively, he’s a fucking loser. He’s got full control of all branches of government and he hasn’t chalked up a single win yet. All he can do is sign EOs, and he hasn’t moved on most of the shit he’s signed so far.

Okay, he got one Supreme Court justice confirmed. But he didn’t even do that, McConnell did.

He’s the most unpopular president ever, and when the Russian shit really hits the fan, that will get a lot worse.

I lived through Nixon, and at the time we were counting the days until the demise of this nation.

We’re still here.

We lived through Nixon because Agnew was forced out of office and replaced by Ford AND the Republican party was sane then. It doesn’t look like Pence is leaving. He probably won’t do the grifting but everything else that Trump tried, Pence will manage and actually get through. Is there anyone in the Trump cabinet that Pence wouldn’t support, other than possibly Linda McMahon? Of course, he is less likely to start a nuclear war — which may be his only saving grace — and his behavior would be more conventional.

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ObserverArt  Oct 13, 2017 • 11:32:51am

re: #507 Dr. Matt

What is being censored? —> t****

RUMP!

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 13, 2017 • 11:33:31am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2017 • 11:34:35am

re: #531 FormerDirtDart

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I really hope cooler heads prevail here. I’m glad we have leaders like Marcon and Merkel. May is even a breath of fresh air compared to Ill Douche.

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makeitstop  Oct 13, 2017 • 11:34:42am

re: #529 Hecuba’s daughter

We lived through Nixon because Agnew was forced out of office and replaced by Ford AND the Republican party was sane then. It doesn’t look like Pence is leaving. He probably won’t do the grifting but everything else that Trump tried, Pence will manage and actually get through. Is there anyone in the Trump cabinet that Pence wouldn’t support, other than possibly Linda McMahon? Of course, he is less likely to start a nuclear war — which may be his only saving grace — and his behavior would be more conventional.

I believe that when Mueller starts swinging the axe, there won’t be too many people from the Trump administration left standing.

Remember - Manafort lobbied hard for Pence. Pence has been good at keeping his head down, but he’s as dirty as the rest of them.

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wrenchwench  Oct 13, 2017 • 11:35:28am

re: #524 Dr. Matt

I still like Dotard for now. Shitler is my second favorite.

‘Pandering pumpkin’ has a seasonal feel to it.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 13, 2017 • 11:36:38am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 13, 2017 • 11:36:59am

re: #524 Dr. Matt

I still like Dotard for now. Shitler is my second favorite.

I prefer “His Ass-Holeyness”!

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EPR-radar  Oct 13, 2017 • 11:37:00am

re: #531 FormerDirtDart

I’m waiting for a joint diplomatic communique from several major world leaders that reads something like this: “Having determined for ourselves that the currently serving President of the United States of America is, in fact, a witless fucking cocksplat, all non-routine diplomatic affairs relating to the US will be deferred until such time as the US President is not so impaired.”

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 13, 2017 • 11:39:01am

re: #525 ObserverArt

I got static for being melodramatic in regards to some of the Lizards that are always so negative.

Where is the criticism for this same melodrama only in the face of being positive?

Damn it. Pick up the fucking flag and fight. It might even make you feel better.

Was that too much? I’m trying to cut back….

Special elections across the nation in state legislatures to school boards are flipping from safe R seats to Democratic wins, sometimes in areas that haven’t seen a Dem in office in ages.

This is hardly over, Trump is below the crazification factor in polling, and voters are deeply R districts are the ones becoming disillusioned as their candidate and Congress is failing to deliver on any promises.

There are elections for VA and NJ governor and the VA House of Delegates this year. Next year’s election is coming in on a whole slew of Democratic wins in Republican districts.

The press isn’t covering that well, as local elections are not of much interest to those in other states, but momentum is there (see also the March for Science and the Women’s March on Washington).

This is not “unbridled optimism.” The local and state elections are examples of Democrats being motivated and Republicans being disillusioned.

In Iowa and Nebraska, two Republican state senators have abandoned the Republican Party and became Libertarians. The LP is gearing up to challenge Republicans in many local elections across the nation (that will draw off conservative voters from the Republicans).

Things aren’t as bad as it seems… .

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 13, 2017 • 11:44:38am

re: #529 Hecuba’s daughter

We lived through Nixon because Agnew was forced out of office and replaced by Ford AND the Republican party was sane then. It doesn’t look like Pence is leaving. He probably won’t do the grifting but everything else that Trump tried, Pence will manage and actually get through. Is there anyone in the Trump cabinet that Pence wouldn’t support, other than possibly Linda McMahon? Of course, he is less likely to start a nuclear war — which may be his only saving grace — and his behavior would be more conventional.

Agnew was forced out of office on Maryland state charges.

As it turns out, Pence is under pressure in Indiana for using his and his wife’s AOL accounts to avoid reporting for state business.

Remember, back when there was an apparently insignificant hotel burglary in 1972, it took over two years for the Nixon Administration to come to an end. Then we only got reports in the morning or evening newspapers and the evening television news, and even then it seemed like the country was going to fly apart to me. It didn’t.

Now we have the Internet parsing and mulling over every tidbit and rumour that comes out about what might or might not be happening.

Patience. While technology has accelerated news reporting and rumours (and there were rumours in the Seventies as well), investigations and the justice system take the same amount of time.

Remember, with the GOP in charge of the whole government now, they have gotten almost nothing done.

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makeitstop  Oct 13, 2017 • 11:46:42am

re: #538 Anymouse 🌹

Special elections across the nation in state legislatures to school boards are flipping from safe R seats to Democratic wins, sometimes in areas that haven’t seen a Dem in office in ages.

This is hardly over, Trump is below the crazification factor in polling, and voters in deeply R districts are the ones becoming disillusioned as their candidate and Congress is failing to deliver on any promises.

There are elections for VA and NJ governor and the VA House of Delegates this year. Next year’s election is coming in on a whole slew of Democratic wins in Republican districts.

The press isn’t covering that well, as local elections are not of much interest to those in other states, but momentum is there (see also the March for Science and the Women’s March on Washington).

This is not “unbridled optimism.” The local and state elections are examples of Democrats being motivated and Republicans being disillusioned.

In Iowa and Nebraska, two Republican state senators have abandoned the Republican Party and became Libertarians. The LP is gearing up to challenge Republicans in many local elections across the nation (that will draw off conservative voters from the Republicans).

Things aren’t as bad as it seems… .

And this is before the tawdry details of Russian collusion have been made public. Once details start coming out, a lot of people who are quiet now will be disgusted.

His support among Republicans is, IMO, deceptively high. Much of it is simply party identification at this point. Hell, his support among Repubs is down 13 points since he was sworn in.

Not even Dubya did that.

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gocart mozart  Oct 13, 2017 • 12:01:46pm

re: #463 Charles Johnson

President Shitstain’s daughter-in-law Lara Trump, Eric’s wife.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 13, 2017 • 12:16:01pm

re: #495 Dr. Matt

Facebook still bristles with fake news

I found a use for Facebook. I just liked the “Draft Michelle 2020” page. It has 36k likes.

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austin_blue  Oct 13, 2017 • 12:50:22pm

re: #466 Charles Johnson

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Kathleen Hartnett White used to be the Chair of the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality. She’s a crazy churchlady who believed that property owners could legally shoot environmental investigators on their land taking samples (they can’t).

She’s a complete nut job.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 13, 2017 • 1:09:59pm

re: #385 HappyWarrior

I bet there’s a lot of gropers at the value voters summit.

Yeah, those are their “values”


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