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gocart mozart  Oct 13, 2017 • 7:49:05pm

This always cracks me up

U2’s first TV appearance

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gocart mozart  Oct 13, 2017 • 7:49:40pm
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plansbandc  Oct 13, 2017 • 7:53:23pm

Sometimes I really do want a time machine just to go see shows.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:01:20pm

Larry Flynt finally gets involved…

Hustler founder Larry Flynt is taking aim at President Trump in a full page ad in this Sunday’s Washington Post, FOX Business has learned exclusively.

Flynt is offering a $10 million bounty on credible information that leads to the impeachment of Trump. The porn king is asking for tax returns information, records from the president’s investment or any “secret dealings with the Russians” that provides what he calls a “smoking gun.”

I’m not linking to Fox, using ATT’s link:

start.att.net

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Charles Johnson  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:01:36pm
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Stanley Sea  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:02:26pm

OT Tom Petty VH1 Storytellers

tom petty vh1 storytellers

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Birth Control Works  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:02:41pm

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Birth Control Works  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:03:22pm

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gocart mozart  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:03:40pm

Would you buy a sugary breakfast food from this man?

Extremely Creepy 1960s Cereal Commercial

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:06:28pm

re: #9 gocart mozart

Would you buy a sugary breakfast food from this man?

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Video

I remember that commercial! Always played during an episode of “Circus Boy” starring Mickey Braddock (Dolenz)…

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Charles Johnson  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:13:38pm
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Stanley Sea  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:19:12pm

re: #6 Stanley Sea

This is fantastic.

I gave up on my bs computer speakers & plugged in headphones.

Tom Petty forever.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:19:51pm
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Belafon  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:19:59pm

Charles, maybe you could write a Twitter replacement. We’ve moved beyond the need to talk through text messages, so a short message app would work. Then it could be regulated properly. You could run it like this place, subscription or free with ads.

If nothing else, when people started abandoning Twitter for it, they might finally get the message.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:20:43pm

Argh. Other people getting credit for my work again. Fuck.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:21:34pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:24:19pm

I don’t try to claim credit for things I don’t own, like Chuck Johnson does. That’s why it really irritates the hell out of me when other people get credit for things I DID do.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:27:41pm

re: #16 Dave In Austin

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I believe it.

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gocart mozart  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:28:09pm

Momma don’t allow know skiffle round here no she don’t

Jimmy Page, Young Age!

The Yardbirds - Heart Full of Soul (1968) With Jimmy Page

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Dave In Austin  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:30:44pm

Hookset………

Facebook Post

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Stanley Sea  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:31:19pm

re: #12 Stanley Sea

This is fantastic.

I gave up on my bs computer speakers & plugged in headphones.

Tom Petty forever.

Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers — “American Girl”

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Charles Johnson  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:33:09pm
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FormerDirtDart  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:33:16pm
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Interesting Times  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:33:45pm

Haven’t we all been saying pretty much the same thing?

And what’s well and truly horrific is that, having served a 50% term as governor, she’s actually MORE qualified than Mango Mussolini.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:35:00pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:35:32pm

re: #24 Interesting Times

Haven’t we all been saying pretty much the same thing?

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And what’s well and truly horrific is that, having served a 50% term as governor, she’s actually MORE qualified than Mango Mussolini.

I’ve felt that for some time. The lowest common denominator populism that she appealed to, the know-nothingism she espoused, and her general contempt for knowledge.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:36:26pm

re: #25 Charles Johnson

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I’m actually pleasantly surprised by that. Maybe he’ll realize that kind of bullshit is no different from the anti semitic threats he’s gotten or the transphobic bullshit he engages in.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:36:42pm

re: #23 FormerDirtDart

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Awesome.

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Cheechako  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:38:42pm

re: #20 Dave In Austin

Hookset………

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Well, what’s the results? Did he haul in a bunch of seaweed or maybe a dead body? Or a fish?

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:38:46pm

re: #20 Dave In Austin

Hookset………

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Dude’s crotch is gonna be sore in the morning.

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gocart mozart  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:39:00pm

re: #19 gocart mozart

I learned something new, Terry Reid, the guy who turned down a job offer from Jimmy Paige and recommended some little known singer named Robert Plant for the job instead.

Youtube Video

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:39:16pm

re: #4 Joe Bacon 🌹

LOL, Larry is such a fucker. I love that he puts the bounties so high, tempting the untemptable. (and fuck you Firefox spell-check “untemptable” is a word)*

*adds word to stupid spell-check

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Interesting Times  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:40:17pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:40:28pm

re: #31 gocart mozart

I learned something new, Terry Reid, the guy who turned down a job offer from Jimmy Paige and recommended some little known singer named Robert Plant for the job instead.

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Video

Yardbirds are underrrated.

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Interesting Times  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:46:24pm

Bwahaha, best answer ever :P

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Charles Johnson  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:47:12pm
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Stanley Sea  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:47:29pm

re: #21 Stanley Sea

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More. His super bowl visit

In Remembrance of Tom Petty: Super Bowl XLII Halftime Show - Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers

Tribute his music/life forever.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:49:53pm
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William Lewis  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:50:14pm

re: #35 Interesting Times

Bwahaha, best answer ever :P

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I remember my hero Bugs Bunny once throwing an anchor…

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Stanley Sea  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:50:45pm

re: #36 Charles Johnson

So………it was noticed?

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William Lewis  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:50:58pm

re: #36 Charles Johnson

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IOW money remains my top priority and nothing at all will change.

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Interesting Times  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:51:00pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:51:55pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:52:24pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:53:12pm

I have a hard time believing Twitter is actually going do much.

Time will tell I guess.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:55:19pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:55:43pm

re: #44 Charles Johnson

Newsflash right wing fuck nuts: You don’t get ANY CONSTITUTIONAL PROTECTIONS with Twitter. They have every right to censor you assholes if they want to.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:57:50pm

Back to Tom Petty.

Too depressing this shit.

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plansbandc  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:58:43pm

re: #35 Interesting Times

If I answered truthfully, I might be violating the terms of service here on LGF. ; )

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Oct 13, 2017 • 8:58:47pm

AF fundies will go apeshit over this, probably launch a search and destroy mission against Satanist “infiltrators” with full propaganda support from civilian talibangelicals.

Facebook Post

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William Lewis  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:02:44pm

re: #50 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

AF fundies will go apeshit over this, probably launch a search and destroy mission against Satanist “infiltrators” with full propaganda support from civilian talibangelicals.

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Smells like a fun time to play the “False Flag” card to me…

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Stanley Sea  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:09:28pm

This one is extremely pure.

Lighting sucks, but old days.

Tom Petty - The Waiting (Live 1985)

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:16:44pm

re: #36 Charles Johnson

7/ New rules around: unwanted sexual advances, non-consensual nudity, hate symbols, violent groups, and tweets that glorifies violence.

Maybe I’m being a pedantic ass but dude has 280 characters and can’t think to include the racist and religiously intolerant ideology that underlie hate symbols. White nationalist groups have been making a mockery of the various loopholes within Twitter’s “rules” for a decade precisely because of the libertarian ethos so endemic within the Silicon Valley mindset. Twitter doesn’t have a substantial violence problem that’s independent of the rampant racism and misogyny so when I hear language like that I can tell it’s both intended to imply there’s some balance on “both sides” and for political purposes will be applied in such a way as to manufacture that balance of perception.

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austin_blue  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:18:12pm

OT form downstairs:

Allison Krauss and Robert Plant used to cohabitate in South Austin.

I ran into Plant three times at the local HEB Grocery at Oltorf and South Congress (the Ocho!). He was always wearing half-glasses and staring at food labels.

“Hi, Bob.”

“Hullo.”

“Don’t worry, its South Austin and no one is going to give you any smack.”

“I know, that’s why I like it.”

On another encounter, I mentioned that my brother-in-law was one of the founding members of Silly Wizard, and gave Bob his numbers. They’ve been in touch. Music geeks.

Last year, on our annual trek to Leighton Buzzard, I noticed that my BIL had three absolutely gorgeous guitars made by a luthier in SoCal. He’s a trader in fine guitars. I asked him “Three?” He said “They’re works of art and brilliant instruments.”

They are.

Here’s her website:

wingertguitars.com

I just gasped when I saw the list price per axe.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:22:57pm

re: #54 goddamnedfrank

Maybe I’m being a pedantic ass but dude has 280 characters and can’t think to include the racist and religiously intolerant ideology that underlie hate symbols. White nationalist groups have been making a mockery of the various loopholes within Twitter’s “rules” for a decade precisely because of the libertarian ethos so endemic within the Silicon Valley mindset. Twitter doesn’t have a substantial violence problem that’s independent of the rampant racism and misogyny so when I hear language like that I can tell it’s both intended to imply there’s some balance on “both sides” and for political purposes will be applied in such a way as to manufacture that balance of perception.

Yeah, I don’t expect anything to change.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:25:50pm
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Dave In Austin  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:26:34pm

re: #29 Cheechako

Well, what’s the results? Did he haul in a bunch of seaweed or maybe a dead body? Or a fish?

Don’t know. Definitely alive though. You can see that in the rod tip. I’m going to say a big shark or maybe a big jack.

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Kragar  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:32:02pm

re: #44 Charles Johnson

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Maybe they should stop quoting Leviticus so much

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austin_blue  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:37:10pm

re: #59 Kragar

Maybe they should stop quoting Leviticus so much

Yup. Shellfish is unclean and traif until you get a chunk of lobster dipped in butter in your gob.

Then it’s just “That’s bullshit! This is delicious!”

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Kragar  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:40:18pm

re: #60 austin_blue

Yup. Shellfish is unclean and traif until you get a chunk of lobster dipped in butter in your gob.

Then it’s just “That’s bullshit! This is delicious!”

And this new cotton/linen shirt I got looks great.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:45:48pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 13, 2017 • 9:58:39pm

Someone suggested in the last thread (my apologies for not remembering who) entering an essay “contest” to win a hobby farm that someone north of Fairbanks is selling (they apparently are homesick for New York state, and didn’t realise how much work farming is).

The contest consists of writing an essay saying why you would want a hobby farm in Alaska, and a $1000 entry fee. (Kind of like raffling off a house. We wanted to do that with our house and half an acre in town in Oklahoma when we sold it during the Bush recession, but raffling houses is illegal there. We wanted out bad enough that we sold it for $7000.)

I will put the question to my wife. The idea of farm work doesn’t scare me. Neither does cold (heck frequently Fairbanks is warmer than the Nebraska Panhandle).

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:08:11pm

Trump’s lawyer Ty Cobb put forth an idea saying he would make his client available for questioning by Robert Mueller under oath.

The idea is to get out in front of the Russia investigation. The article notes that investigators normally want to interview their target last, after everyone else who might have evidence, so they know what questions to ask.

The second idea is that if Trump did this, the White House would have at least a semi-credible claim that if Mueller wanted to ask additional questions later, Cobb could claim “well you already had the President for hours, now you’re just harassing him” or other coddleswop.

The concern is (as noted by a former Watergate prosecutor) is:

… the risks for Trump are enormous and that Trump’s routine distortion of facts would make speaking to Mueller under oath highly dangerous. “Given his proclivity toward confabulation, I have no doubt his lawyers would counsel strongly against him testifying,” he said.

Proclivity toward confabulation=makes stuff up.

5$ Feminist at Wonkette also notes that Trump does tell the truth sometimes, usually at a time most inconvenient for him.

She also notes that no sane lawyer would actually do this (offer up their client voluntarily to a prosecutor or investigator), and speculates that Ty Cobb might actually care about the nation enough to throw his client under a locomotive (ha ha no).

wonkette.com (with usual snark)

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danarchy  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:08:11pm

I don’t usually do cute animal posts, but it seems like a slow thread, so what the heck.

36 Panda cubs make first appearance

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VegasGolfer  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:08:16pm

re: #63 Anymouse 🌹

Ill pledge $10 toward the entry fee.

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:09:47pm

re: #63 Anymouse 🌹

..
The contest consists of writing an essay saying why you would want a hobby farm in Alaska, and a $1000 entry fee.
..
I will put the question to my wife. The idea of farm work doesn’t scare me. Neither does cold (heck frequently Fairbanks is warmer than the Nebraska Panhandle).

I’m pretty sure investing is a much better use of $1000.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:10:49pm

re: #66 VegasGolfer

Ill pledge $10 toward the entry fee.

How many people want to get rid of me by sending me to Alaska? To the land of the Midnight Sun, moose, and Sarah Palin?

Geez you were awfully quick with that offer. /s

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Belafon  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:11:40pm

re: #68 Anymouse 🌹

How many people want to get rid of me by sending me to Alaska? To the land of the Midnight Sun, moose, and Sarah Palin?

Geez you were awfully quick with that offer. /s

They might have better internet there.

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:13:41pm

re: #68 Anymouse 🌹

How many people want to get rid of me by sending me to Alaska? To the land of the Midnight Sun, moose, and Sarah Palin?

Geez you were awfully quick with that offer. /s

… and even worse internet. You’ll probably want to switch over to text only LYNX web browser.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:14:03pm

re: #67 Single-handed sailor

I’m pretty sure investing is a much better use of $1000.

The idea here is their farm is assessed at $460,000. If they don’t get at least 460 entries by the cut-off date, they will refund the money.

Those are better odds than the lottery (and the lottery doesn’t refund money).

As for investments, I suppose that depends on the investment. We don’t have a lot to invest (other than in lottery tickets), and the stock market is not much more than a redistribution scheme to make rich people richer and poor people poorer.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:14:30pm

re: #25 Charles Johnson

Nazi’s don’t like it when Ben’s reasonable.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:16:36pm

re: #70 Single-handed sailor

… and even worse internet. You’ll probably want to switch over to text only LYNX web browser.

Commodore 64 Start Screen
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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:19:26pm

re: #72 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Schmuck doesn’t know what a cuckold is. Kinkshaming poor Ben Shapiro when that isn’t what he’s doing (and who are we to judge Mr. Shaprio’s kinks anyway) fits right in with the moran brigade that Twitter supports.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:27:09pm

From the Wonkette article about Ty Cobb’s suggestion:

After publication, the White House’s head lawyer for the Russia investigation, John Dowd, insisted that the Politico story was,

Totally false!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You can tell Dowd is a fancy lawyer because he managed to keep his finger on the shift key for sixteen whole exclamation points! When asked whether he held Cobb down while Don McGahn punched him, or if the roles were reversed, Dowd had no comment.

LOL

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Kragar  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:32:03pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:34:05pm

As a reminder:

Starting Veterans Day (Nov 11), all veterans who were honourably discharged from the military will have on-line Exchange shopping privileges. (In-store shopping privileges are still reserved for those who are retired, disabled, or other present categories.)

To shop in the Exchange on-line store, you must first be verified as an authorised shopper (an honourably discharged veteran), which takes some time.

As such, the Navy Exchange sent me an E-mail suggesting I forward information to all veterans I know:

Veterans can shop online with the Exchange.

The Department of Defense will soon grant online exchange shopping privileges to Veterans of all United States Armed Forces—including you, when you get out!

These privileges allow access to exclusive military pricing on name-brand products, exclusive credit opportunities and more!

The first step is to get verified—send Veterans to vetverify.org today!

The Website listed in the E-mail is the site the Exchange uses to verify your status. They note that being verified takes a bit of time, so those who would be eligible under the new rules should send in their information before Nov. 11 so it can be checked and ready for the first day of eligibility.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:47:40pm

re: #74 Anymouse 🌹

Schmuck doesn’t know what a cuckold is. Kinkshaming poor Ben Shapiro when that isn’t what he’s doing (and who are we to judge Mr. Shaprio’s kinks anyway) fits right in with the moran brigade that Twitter supports.

Yes he does. The right has appropriated the term to mean the equivalent of “race traitor.” They weaponized it in the form of “cuckservative” in 2015 against those Republicans who they viewed as not being anti-immigrant enough. The etymology comes by way of the cuckold pornography genre, which often depicts white wives taking black lovers while their husbands watch. It remains one of Milo Y’s (and is followers’) favorite attacks against Shapiro.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:48:48pm

re: #76 Kragar

What a burn….. Shit

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freetoken  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:49:09pm
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Belafon  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:50:41pm

re: #77 Anymouse 🌹

mine verified immediately.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:52:21pm

Check the guitar.

I’m out.

Texas A&M tomorrow. Pew Pew
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austin_blue  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:52:43pm

Well, it’s Chamber of Commerce weather for the last two days of ACL Fest, dammit. More people wanting to move here for the great climate.

They weren’t here for the hell of July/August.

Whatever. The lack of affordability in this town will just increase. My property taxes (thank dog the mortgage has been been paid off!) will be $11,000 this year. Nothing I can do about it, despite being retired and on a fixed income. Sucks, but there you go.

This is what happens in a state without an income tax. The money has to come from somewhere, and it’s from property values, rather than income.

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Belafon  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:54:39pm

re: #79 Dave In Austin

And the guy’s snappy comeback:

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austin_blue  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:58:29pm

And goodnight, my dear friends! May choirs of angels sing thee to thy rest!

Well, Deisticly.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 13, 2017 • 10:59:56pm

re: #84 Belafon

And the guy’s snappy comeback:

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teleskiguy  Oct 13, 2017 • 11:02:15pm
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teleskiguy  Oct 13, 2017 • 11:05:32pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 13, 2017 • 11:06:18pm

re: #87 teleskiguy

Everyone can see that Trump is not all there. He shambles around with empty eyes. This is a guy who should be in a memory care facility.

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Kragar  Oct 13, 2017 • 11:07:35pm

Warhammer time

Genestealer Cults

A Genestealer Cult is a xenos-worshipping secret society made up of and controlled by Tyranid Genestealers that thrives in the dark corners of the Imperial underworld across the galaxy. Secretive, stealthy, and utterly malignant, Genestealer Cults are the cankers growing unseen in the hidden spaces of Mankind’s realm. Some cultists are truly monstrous, skulking along dank tunnels with robes or hessian sacks covering their hybrid xenos anatomies. Others are merely pallid and bald, able to pass for loyal Imperial citizens whilst their wyrm-form tattoos remain hidden. These latter-generation brethren mingle amongst the herd of Mankind like wolves in sheep’s clothing, working so hard amongst the crumbling machineries of Human industry that none spare them a second glance — but under their work fatigues and rough miner’s apparel, they all bear the mark of the alien.

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teleskiguy  Oct 13, 2017 • 11:11:10pm
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alloutofcrazyhere  Oct 13, 2017 • 11:34:06pm

re: #91 teleskiguy

I’d rather Jason Voorhees drop by at this point.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 13, 2017 • 11:44:33pm

You’d think after the accidental deaths / injuries caused by Remington 700 X-Mark Pro trigger and the class action lawsuit settlement that a gun company would check the shit out of any new or modified design before releasing it to market. Guess again:

Ruger recently discovered that all Mark IVTM pistols (including 22/45TM models) manufactured prior to June 1, 2017 have the potential to discharge unintentionally if the safety is not utilized correctly. In particular, if the trigger is pulled while the safety lever is midway between the “safe” and “fire” positions (that is, the safety is not fully engaged or fully disengaged), then the pistol may not fire when the trigger is pulled. However, if the trigger is released and the safety lever is then moved from the mid position to the “fire” position, the pistol may fire at that time.

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teleskiguy  Oct 14, 2017 • 12:19:27am
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Dave In Austin  Oct 14, 2017 • 12:22:27am
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freetoken  Oct 14, 2017 • 12:36:47am

Self-inflicted ignorance is sadly a common human trait.

Americans are definitely prone to it.

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teleskiguy  Oct 14, 2017 • 12:40:41am

re: #96 freetoken

Self-inflicted ignorance is sadly a common human trait.

Americans are definitely prone to it.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Oct 14, 2017 • 12:42:54am

re: #95 Dave In Austin

Tomorrow the orange savior will march into a public school, wave a Bible, and announce that he has repealed the (non-existent) ban thereon.

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Jebediah, RBG  Oct 14, 2017 • 1:02:54am

re: #34 HappyWarrior

Yardbirds are underrrated.

Not by me!

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Kragar  Oct 14, 2017 • 1:08:45am
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Nyet  Oct 14, 2017 • 1:31:51am

re: #46 Charles Johnson

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Oh. I see Chuckie has just become an election issue. Hahahahahaha.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Oct 14, 2017 • 1:46:12am

Fundies are not speaking figuratively when they talk about Bibles and God being banned in public schools. Many of them believe that it is quite literally against the law to bring a Bible into a public school or to mention one’s belief in God in such a facility.
I was incredulous when I first encountered this in Lubbock in the 80s. I was visiting a local high school to talk about science and a student started misquoting the Bible to me. I told him to go get a Bible and show me the alleged passage. A whole pack of students instantly yelped over, and interrupted, each other declaring that Bibles were banned. I wrote a note to the librarian asking for as many Bibles as she could spare for a while and sent two students to the library to fetch them. They returned with about a dozen on a cart. The students were astounded. The most vocal fundy in the group predicted that the librarian would soon be arrested by evil liberal police. I was not invited back.
I wondered how the flourishing Christian student groups, whose members ostentatiously bring their own Bibles to school, managed to explain this without destroying years of carefully inculcated parental and church indoctrination. Eventually a recovering fundy college student explained to me how they do it: The clubs imply to the students that they are engaged in what amounts to an act of civil disobedience when they bring a Bible to school. It is safe to do so though because cowardly secular humanist administrators are restrained by prayer and the AR-15 backed wrath of the Christian community.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 14, 2017 • 1:54:10am
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fern01  Oct 14, 2017 • 1:55:51am

re: #36 Charles Johnson

So they are going to ban trump from twitter at last

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 14, 2017 • 1:57:23am

re: #104 fern01

So they are going to ban trump from twitter at last

You surely jest.

Twitter will do nothing, just like all the nothings they’ve done before.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Oct 14, 2017 • 2:09:57am

re: #104 fern01

So they are going to ban trump from twitter at last

If they can throw God out of the schools, they can surely throw Trump off of Twitter.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 14, 2017 • 2:10:59am
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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 14, 2017 • 2:17:42am

re: #106 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

If they can throw God out of the schools, they can surely throw Trump off of Twitter.

No, because throwing Trump off Twitter would take divine intervention.

Of course, there is a God on Twitter, so maybe he can do it. /s

I just spoke to my wife about that Alaska farm. She is intrigued and wants to think about it. I told her I would only bug her once a day until she comes to a decision. /s

Knowing her, I think we’re going to wind up entering the contest. (1 in 420 odds is a hell of a lot better than the lotto, and the lotto doesn’t come with a money back guarantee for oversold tickets.) She pointed out that between her farming skills (she is better at that than me) and my editing skills we might be able to crank out an essay worth consideration by the owners.

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teleskiguy  Oct 14, 2017 • 2:18:03am
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Dave In Austin  Oct 14, 2017 • 2:30:40am
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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 14, 2017 • 2:35:52am

re: #102 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

On your story above about Evangelicals in Lubbock, would you object to me stripping the identifying information and posting your story to the atheism group I manage? (A great number of people in that group do not live in the USA.)

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teleskiguy  Oct 14, 2017 • 2:36:35am
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fern01  Oct 14, 2017 • 2:48:19am

re: #105 Anymouse 🌹

You surely jest.

Twitter will do nothing, just like all the nothings they’ve done before.

If you or I (neither of whom use twitter) were to post the bullying and abuse that dear leader posts - we would be banned from twitter - proving yet again that rules don’t apply to this president*.

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freetoken  Oct 14, 2017 • 2:49:25am

Speaking of schools and Bibles, Albert Mohler’s latest podcast is about the scary secularization of today’s youth:

Who is responsible for the secularization of America’s young people?

He references 538 post:
College Professors Aren’t Killing Religion

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 14, 2017 • 2:55:57am

re: #114 freetoken

“Scary secularisation of today’s youth?”

I have no idea who that guy is, but I affirm (not swear) that Christians really want a theocracy.

The folk that push hardest for it think they are going to be the ones running it, just like libertarians that want a feudal state.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 14, 2017 • 2:58:18am

Is YouTube down, or have they just cut access to Nebraska? I can’t get to the site.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 14, 2017 • 2:59:19am

re: #113 fern01

If you or I (neither of whom use twitter) were to post the bullying and abuse that dear leader posts - we would be banned from twitter - proving yet again that rules don’t apply to this president*.

Proving again that Twitter is a private company that can decide for itself who it wants to allow and who it wants to ban…just like the NFL.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 14, 2017 • 3:00:56am

re: #115 Anymouse 🌹

“Scary secularisation of today’s youth?”

I have no idea who that guy is, but I affirm (not swear) that Christians really want a theocracy.

The folk that push hardest for it think they are going to be the ones running it, just like libertarians that want a feudal state.

They believe that we are God’s Chosen Nation, and that we got that way by reflecting (their interpretation of) God’s Divine Will in our legislation, and if we fail to do so and drift away from (their interpretation of) His Divine Will, he will lay some heavy-duty Smiting on us.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 14, 2017 • 3:02:08am

re: #117 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Proving again that Twitter is a private company that can decide for itself who it wants to allow and who it wants to ban…just like the NFL.

Yup. If they want a bunch of Nazis, Klansmen, folk who post rape threats, &c, that is their right as a private company.

It is also the right of people on Twitter to say “nope,” and close their accounts. (I’m guessing that boycott yesterday which drew Jack Dorsey’s attention enough to comment - as he has done before - will not lead anywhere.)

The threat to boycott a business has to be followed by action, or the boycott is meaningless. A more credible threat for Twitter to clean up its act would have been “fix this, and until you do we’re never coming back.”

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 14, 2017 • 3:03:14am

re: #118 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

So why does he always smite the most religious states with hurricanes? The least religious states (New England, &c) almost never get smitten (smited, smooted, something).

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teleskiguy  Oct 14, 2017 • 3:04:24am

re: #116 Anymouse 🌹

Is YouTube down, or have they just cut access to Nebraska? I can’t get to the site.

Works for me.

Entering Texas

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 14, 2017 • 3:05:41am

re: #121 teleskiguy

My wife just accessed YouTube from her computer. Perhaps I need to restart mine.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Oct 14, 2017 • 3:07:57am

re: #111 Anymouse 🌹

On your story above about Evangelicals in Lubbock, would you object to me stripping the identifying information and posting your story to the atheism group I manage? (A great number of people in that group do not live in the USA.)

By all means, feel free to share this. This happened in 1994, btw. It’s important for people who aren’t familiar with it to understand just how long this kind of bad craziness had been simmering before it took over the government.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 14, 2017 • 3:08:24am

I am going to log out and restart my computer. Firefox isn’t doing anything, IE11 gives me this for YouTube:

The webpage cannot be found

HTTP 404

Most likely causes:
•There might be a typing error in the address.
•If you clicked on a link, it may be out of date.

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freetoken  Oct 14, 2017 • 3:09:16am

re: #115 Anymouse 🌹

I have no idea who that guy is….

If you mean Mohler, he’s head of the main seminary for the SBC.

When he took over, he purged the college of those he deemed impure and replaced them with his own men.

I then started to call him “Mullah Mohler”.

He’s pretty much despised by everyone who isn’t a fundamentalist in his camp.

Even some dispensationalists don’t like him, as he’s opened the door to the right-wing Presbyterian types.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 14, 2017 • 3:11:16am

re: #125 freetoken

If you mean Mohler, he’s head of the main seminary for the SBC.

When he took over, he purged the college of those he deemed impure and replaced them with his own men.

I then started to call him “Mullah Mohler”.

He’s pretty much despised by everyone who isn’t a fundamentalist in his camp.

Even some dispensationalists don’t like him, as he’s opened the door to the right-wing Presbyterian types.

That might also explain why that Southern Baptist fellow Jimmy Carter decided to take a hike from the SBC. People acting on their faith apparently aren’t welcome in the SBC, apparently.

Restarting computer …

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Nyet  Oct 14, 2017 • 3:12:05am

re: #117 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Proving again that Twitter is a private company that can decide for itself who it wants to allow and who it wants to ban…just like the NFL.

That’s a trivial point to make in this context though. It is only legit when one raises the bogus free speech argument, which no one here has done. What is pointed out is the hypocrisy of Twitter making an exception to its publicly stated rules specifically for Trump.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 14, 2017 • 3:12:13am

… and YouTube just came up. I have no idea how these things work; maybe I should go back to my 1914 Royal typewriter.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 14, 2017 • 3:15:11am

re: #127 Nyet

That’s a trivial point to make in this context though. It is only legit when one raises the bogus free speech argument, which no one here has done. What is pointed out is the hypocrisy of Twitter making an exception to its publicly stated rules specifically for Trump.

one analogy is how fundamentalist Christians make exemptions for Trump’s behavior because he seems to promote their interests…same for Twitter.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 14, 2017 • 3:22:12am

I just went outside. I needed a knife to cut through the fog.

Who ordered all the fog?

(Fog is actually common here close to Winter, when the cold air blows across the warm North Platte.)

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Dave In Austin  Oct 14, 2017 • 3:22:49am

re: #115 Anymouse 🌹

Dr. Mohler is the president of
Southern Seminary & Boyce College.

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Nyet  Oct 14, 2017 • 3:23:59am
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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 14, 2017 • 3:26:07am

re: #132 Nyet

It’s still not working right for me. I’ll be right back, you poor devils.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 14, 2017 • 3:27:56am

And comment will not be taken. There is no room for dissent. And his article is full of shit.

I grew up in a religious household. I grew up. As I grew up, I questioned things. Facts mattered. I came to not believe, BUT, I do believe in the values and “morals” that I was taught through the “teachings” of Christ.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 14, 2017 • 3:34:54am

CCJ is in trouble on FB again.

You anonymously reported Charles C. Johnson’s photo for promoting graphic violence.
REPORT REVIEWED

We removed the photo you reported today.

We reviewed the photo you reported. Since it violated our Community Standards, we removed it. We let Charles C. Johnson know that their photo has been removed, but not who reported it.

If someone repeatedly violates our standards, we may limit their ability to post or use Facebook.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 14, 2017 • 3:36:19am

re: #134 Dave In Austin

And comment will not be taken. There is no room for dissent. And his article is full of shit.

I grew up in a religious household. I grew up. As I grew up, I questioned things. Facts mattered. I came to not believe, BUT, I do believe in the values and “morals” that I was taught through the “teachings” of Christ.

There was a quote from someone who grew up in Lubbock Texas, where he said “There are two things that you learn: That God loves you but you are going to burn in hell, and that sex is filthy and disgusting, so that is why you should save it for the person you marry.”

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Dave In Austin  Oct 14, 2017 • 3:41:49am

Rage Furby is on the Bitcoin tear.

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Nyet  Oct 14, 2017 • 3:43:01am

So I was watching this trick from recent Fool Us.

Penn & Teller Fool Us Kyle Littleton

And in the comments:

>> Is this Ralphie guy somehow famous?

John-Paul Silke
2 weeks ago
Ummmm…. he’s a stand up comedy destroyer! Too many fat jokes for my taste but when he gets rolling he’s fantastic. He’s got to acknowledge he’s a fatty and move on and if he can do that before he kills himself with saturated fats and carbohydrates he will become the next huge comedian.

Well…

Ralphie May
American comedian
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Ralph Duren May was an American stand-up comedian and actor, known for his extensive touring and comedy specials on Netflix and other outlets. Wikipedia
Born: February 17, 1972, Chattanooga, TN
Died: October 6, 2017, Las Vegas, NV

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 14, 2017 • 3:44:44am

re: #134 Dave In Austin

And comment will not be taken. There is no room for dissent. And his article is full of shit.

I grew up in a religious household. I grew up. As I grew up, I questioned things. Facts mattered. I came to not believe, BUT, I do believe in the values and “morals” that I was taught through the “teachings” of Christ.

You’ll find that on a lot of wingnut Christian videos on YouTube (no comments).

My suspicion is more (there at least) that they cannot defend their assertions, so they do not allow comments that might challenge them.

That of course is a direct violation of the New Testament’s command in 1 Peter 3:15 (the so-called Great Commission):

KJV
But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

(I won’t get into a long theological debate, but it’s almost as if they don’t believe what they are asserting.)

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Oct 14, 2017 • 3:45:20am

re: #136 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There was a quote from someone who grew up in Lubbock Texas, where he said “There are two things that you learn: That God loves you but you are going to burn in hell, and that sex is filthy and disgusting, so that is why you should save it for the person you marry.”

Butch Hancock
en.m.wikipedia.org

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Dave In Austin  Oct 14, 2017 • 3:48:14am

Oh Boy!! My Older Bro got back from a fly fishing trip in Colorado. He’s bearing gifts!

goo.gl

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Oct 14, 2017 • 4:08:36am

“Vote for Hillary and we’ll be in a world of shit,” the RWNJs warned.

Sure enough, I voted for Hillary and we are in a world of shit.

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lawhawk  Oct 14, 2017 • 4:33:41am

Greets and saluts from the Resistance in the NYC Metro area.

The tangerine toddler is up early spewing nonsensical ravings, and retweeting golden oldies.

They include tweets about his insane and illegal EO that guts the CSRs and increases health care costs for millions of Americans all while doing nothing to expand access to care.

Of course, media outlets continue to spew nonsense normalizing all of Trump’s nonstop lies and fact-free nonsense. Politico spins this as “Power of Trump’s positive outlook”.

Nothing about Trump is positive. He spews empty platitudes that are unsupported by reality. He attacks facts and media outlets that correct his bullshit. He regularly quotes those who spew fact-free nonsense as long as it supports Trump.

Trump also attempts to claim that the economy is going gangbusters and that it’s all due to him. He goes out of his way to retweet liars and agitprop artists.

That twitter user was retweeted by Trump, all because he lied about the nature of the economy and that Obama never did certain things (like growth in quarter exceeding 3%). This is easily debunked. Also taking consumer confidence in a narrow slice ignores that consumer confidence has been steadily rising since Obama took office in 2009. Trump inherited a rising trend.

Trump is out to destroy Obama’s legacy by any means necessary and his supporters easily repeat the lies because they too want to obliterate the legacy, even if most of them also benefit from Obama’s actions - like on health coverage and the economy and the environment.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 14, 2017 • 5:09:51am

re: #143 lawhawk

Lawhawk. We need to stop with the “Destroying Obama’s Legacy” shtick…. I’ll quote Joy Reid who tweeted earlier this evening.

DT is not and cannot destroy Barack Obama’s legacy. He can’t do it….. All he is doing is defining his own.

This needs to be shared far and wide and is the ONLY answer for whenever we hear that crap.

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lawhawk  Oct 14, 2017 • 5:20:06am

re: #144 Dave In Austin

His supporters want to see Obama’s legacy destroyed. And yes, that defines Trump and his “legacy”.

Rolling back civil and voting rights is the Trump legacy.
Destroying health coverage for millions is the Trump legacy.
Hiking costs for millions of Americans so millionaires like Trump get tax breaks is Trump legacy.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Oct 14, 2017 • 5:23:18am

Good morning Lizards:

In today’s lesson in Trumpanomics we learn that crashing stock prices make their company lower prices so they could become less profitable thus making their stock prices rise again.

I wonder how much money big GOP donors lost on insurance stocks yesterday?

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Dr. Matt  Oct 14, 2017 • 5:24:01am

We have a president who is actually proud that he’s going to hurt Americans while destroying an industry.

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jeffreyw  Oct 14, 2017 • 5:31:10am

Imgur


Good morning!

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John Carter  Oct 14, 2017 • 5:38:49am

re: #77 Anymouse 🌹

As a reminder:

Starting Veterans Day (Nov 11), all veterans who were honourably discharged from the military will have on-line Exchange shopping privileges. (In-store shopping privileges are still reserved for those who are retired, disabled, or other present categories.)

To shop in the Exchange on-line store, you must first be verified as an authorised shopper (an honourably discharged veteran), which takes some time.

As such, the Navy Exchange sent me an E-mail suggesting I forward information to all veterans I know:

The Website listed in the E-mail is the site the Exchange uses to verify your status. They note that being verified takes a bit of time, so those who would be eligible under the new rules should send in their information before Nov. 11 so it can be checked and ready for the first day of eligibility.

It has been a while since I stepped in a PX. What are the advantages again? Cheaper?

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lawhawk  Oct 14, 2017 • 5:39:58am
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Dr. Matt  Oct 14, 2017 • 6:02:20am

re: #149 John Carter

It has been a while since I stepped in a PX. What are the advantages again? Cheaper?

Yes. And no taxes.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Oct 14, 2017 • 6:03:08am

re: #150 lawhawk

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I listened to that press conference live but the transcript is very damning. I swear when he was spouting his gobbledygook that it sounded like boilerplate, that ain’t boilerplate.

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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Oct 14, 2017 • 6:07:31am

re: #3 plansbandc

Sometimes I really do want a time machine just to go see shows.

My brother and I were on an early Howdy Doody Show, performing as acrobats. They recorded nothing. I would love to go back in time and watch.

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lawhawk  Oct 14, 2017 • 6:10:59am
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sagehen  Oct 14, 2017 • 6:13:04am

re: #146 b.d. (bill d.)

Good morning Lizards:

In today’s lesson in Trumpanomics we learn that crashing stock prices make their company lower prices so they could become less profitable thus making their stock prices rise again.

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I wonder how much money big GOP donors lost on insurance stocks yesterday?

None of course; nor did any of the Yam’s family or Tom Price.

They figured out months ago the timing of selling short and/or buying cheap, then tweeting something that will drastically affect the stock price…

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Mike Lamb  Oct 14, 2017 • 6:13:24am

re: #147 Dr. Matt

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We have a president who is actually proud that he’s going to hurt Americans while destroying an industry.

I’d expect an injunction to go into place quickly that would prevent the EO from taking effect until there is a ruling on the substance.

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lawhawk  Oct 14, 2017 • 6:16:17am

re: #156 Mike Lamb

Those lawsuits will likely win on two grounds.

1) The underlying PPACA law requires payment. The specific mechanism for CSR says that the federal government “shall pay”. There’s no wiggle room. Govt must pay.

2) The 2016 federal district court ruling that found that Obama couldn’t appropriate funds for the CSRs doesn’t affect constitutionality of the underlying “shall pay” requirement, but how a president can interpret it. Obama couldn’t reappropriate funds from a Congress unwilling to pay - it’s overreach by Executive on area that Congress has control.

That same court ruling also applies to Trump. He can’t withhold appropriations from Congress because he violates the same principle.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 14, 2017 • 6:37:42am

re: #149 John Carter

It has been a while since I stepped in a PX. What are the advantages again? Cheaper?

Cheaper, no shipping charges, no tax.

Any marginal profit generated by an Exchange is placed in the Morale, Welfare, and Recreation fund.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 14, 2017 • 6:47:03am
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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 14, 2017 • 6:53:18am

re: #158 Nyet

That was suburb.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 14, 2017 • 6:57:43am

re: #161 Anymouse 🌹

That was suburb.

totally downtown!

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 14, 2017 • 7:02:45am

re: #143 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the Resistance in the NYC Metro area.

The tangerine toddler is up early spewing nonsensical ravings, and retweeting golden oldies.

They include tweets about his insane and illegal EO that guts the CSRs and increases health care costs for millions of Americans all while doing nothing to expand access to care.

[Embedded content]

That twitter user was retweeted by Trump, all because he lied about the nature of the economy and that Obama never did certain things (like growth in quarter exceeding 3%). This is easily debunked. Also taking consumer confidence in a narrow slice ignores that consumer confidence has been steadily rising since Obama took office in 2009. Trump inherited a rising trend.

Trump is out to destroy Obama’s legacy by any means necessary and his supporters easily repeat the lies because they too want to obliterate the legacy, even if most of them also benefit from Obama’s actions - like on health coverage and the economy and the environment.

This is the kind of “fucking moron” that identifies with Trump.

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 14, 2017 • 7:09:40am
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meteor  Oct 14, 2017 • 7:11:30am

re: #91 teleskiguy

I did that. It was strange not to tweet for an entire day. I wanted to support Rose McGowan.

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meteor  Oct 14, 2017 • 7:12:30am

Crystal Palace scores first. Yay!

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 14, 2017 • 7:13:10am

re: #162 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

totally downtown!

Bwahaha. Spellcheck is knot proofreading. Superb was what I meant.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 14, 2017 • 7:16:33am

re: #166 meteor

Crystal Palace scores first. Yay!

Yay! I was just watching but came upstairs for a moment. It would be so great if they could beat Chelsea.

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 14, 2017 • 7:16:38am
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Barefoot Grin  Oct 14, 2017 • 7:18:10am

re: #166 meteor

Crystal Palace scores first. Yay!

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meteor  Oct 14, 2017 • 7:22:16am

…Aaand now it’s tied 1-1. Harrumph.

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meteor  Oct 14, 2017 • 7:22:59am

re: #169 Ace-o-aces

Fuck Todd Starnes.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 14, 2017 • 7:23:06am

re: #160 FormerDirtDart

Jameel Jaffer✔
@JameelJaffer

White House legal brief filed last night: Trump’s Twitter account is above the law.

That’s not how any of this works.

Take the I Amendment clause on protection of a free press. At the time the states adopted the amendment, they could not conceive of a “press” that did not consist of actual printing presses. The amendment actually protects “journalism.”

So as new methods came along to promulgate news (telegraph, radio, television, the Internet, the World Wide Web), the I Amendment’s protections naturally extended to them, because they protect journalism, not the media by which news is promulgated.

Federal recordkeeping laws are part of the Legislative Branch’s constitutional function of being able to write laws.

When those law were written, officials might transmit official information by telephone, Telex, radio, television, print, or the Internet.

Just because a new medium came along (Twitter) did not change the fundamental role of the law (preserve official records). Trump is on record saying that his Twitter account are official thoughts of the White House.

Blocking people on Twitter also violates another law, assuming the courts adopt the admittedly non-lawyerly analysis above: Freedom of Information Act, the right of the people to obtain Federal records which are not classified or sensitive for some reason (law enforcement, national security, &c).

That brief from the White House is a Hail Mary pass, or perhaps trying to confuse the issue.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 14, 2017 • 7:23:54am

re: #36 Charles Johnson

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 14, 2017 • 7:29:51am

re: #174 GlutenFreeJesus

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I predict nothing will change, just as it didn’t after Leslie Jones was hounded off Twitter.

The only thing that libertarians understand is money. Therefore, the only thing that will convince them to do something like actually hire people to enforce their regulations is quit Twitter (as in close accounts) until they fix their problems, or they go out of business.

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lawhawk  Oct 14, 2017 • 7:39:17am

re: #163 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

The dumbfuckery on Twitter reflects the idiocies within the GOP and Trump supporters.

These people are clueless how insurance works, how laws function, and revel in revealing both for all to see.

Oh, and self identifying as deplorable gets them the block.

Insurance is a product that is entirely based on risk and reducing risk plus profiting from people who want to reduce costs from risk.

Actuaries get paid tremendous amounts of money to identify risk and compute premiums that cover the risk to be paid, generate a profit (or breakeven for those nonprofit insurers) and can self-sustain. Insurance products work the same way regardless of whether it’s life insurance or car insurance of health insurance.

Person pays a premium based on the risk, and health insurance is no difference. Insurers determine the premium based on multiple factors, and the premiums should cover outlays. Where an insurer can run into problems is that the pool for the product doesn’t have enough healthy people, or outside factors.

GOP has decided to completely fuck around with these pools. Reduce the subsidy to help insureds and demand that insurers create high risk pools segregating sick folks from everyone else - except it’s all too easy to find yourself in a high risk pool (get pregnant, get cancer, have a serious illness or accident).

Preexisting conditions drive up premiums for those folks, and if you start to think about it, almost everyone can be found to have a preexisting condition if you look hard enough. Parent with diabetes or high blood pressure increases chances you will have it - so higher premiums for you. Same for any other inheritable condition. The more medical data that insurers have access to, the higher your premiums can be.

Trump and GOP ignore all this and think that high risk pools are solution, all while hiking premiums for everyone through screwing with the system illegally.

And insurers have baked in the fuckery with higher premiums due to uncertainty.

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(Bert the Turtle)  Oct 14, 2017 • 7:40:01am

re: #146 b.d. (bill d.)

Holy shit! That’s real? I thought that was mockup… well, made to mock.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 14, 2017 • 7:42:13am

re: #175 Anymouse 🌹

Very safe prediction. Seconded.

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Nyet  Oct 14, 2017 • 7:43:58am
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(Bert the Turtle)  Oct 14, 2017 • 7:45:01am

re: #163 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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meteor  Oct 14, 2017 • 7:46:54am

Palace scores again. 2-1 CP!

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 14, 2017 • 7:49:20am

Speaking of early performances… Maynard, whats with those threads?

C.A.D.-Early Sober (Maynard James Keenan 1987)

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 14, 2017 • 7:53:46am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 14, 2017 • 7:55:08am

re: #183 Anymouse 🌹

Double sided-tape. So I can affix figures to a surface to work with them.

we can just hire Iran to do it for us…

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 14, 2017 • 7:57:30am

Well, baseball fever has taken over my wife again this year, as her Cubs start the National League Championship Series tonight at 6MT against LA.

We’ll be listening to Chicago radio streamed over the Internet. There is something about listening to baseball over the radio that is quite different than watching it on television: I distinctly recall sitting around with my grandparents and my Aunt Zelda listening to Detroit games (brought to you by Stroh’s beer).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 14, 2017 • 8:00:43am

re: #185 Anymouse 🌹

Well, baseball fever has taken over my wife again this year, as her Cubs start the National League Championship Series tonight at 6MT against LA.

We’ll be listening to Chicago radio streamed over the Internet. There is something about listening to baseball over the radio that is quite different than watching it on television: I distinctly recall sitting around with my grandparents and my Aunt Zelda listening to Detroit games (brought to you by Stroh’s beer).

For me, it was watching the Cubs on TV (brought to you by Hamm’s beer)

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meteor  Oct 14, 2017 • 8:03:57am

espnfc.com

German soccer team kneels in support of NFL protests.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 14, 2017 • 8:04:22am

re: #187 meteor

espnfc.com

German soccer team kneels in support of NFL protests.

another reason to nuke europe

/

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 14, 2017 • 8:14:32am

re: #186 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

For me, it was watching the Cubs on TV (brought to you by Hamm’s beer)

Old Style.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 14, 2017 • 8:15:15am

re: #189 Barefoot Grin

Old Style.

although my dad was a Carling’s Black Label fan…

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 14, 2017 • 8:21:44am

You know, Twitter could kick Gab (dot) AI off their platform as well. Twitter has no reason to permit a competitor to use their platform (hate speech aside).

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 14, 2017 • 8:22:23am

re: #190 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

although my dad was a Carling’s Black Label fan…

“Mabel….”

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 14, 2017 • 8:24:31am

For Mr. Johnson, I got an error returned from Little Green Footballs, a cross-site scripting error:

Secure cookie found for this host: YSC=Ax71uMm13c8; domain=.youtube.com; path=/; HttpOnly; Secure

That’s all it says. My paranoiaware on my computer blocks such things.

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Nyet  Oct 14, 2017 • 8:24:38am
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nines09  Oct 14, 2017 • 8:27:20am

Got this from Facebook Support. Win some.

We removed the photo you reported
Today
We reviewed the photo you reported. Since it violated our Community Standards, we removed it. We let Charles C. Johnson know that their photo has been removed, but not who reported it.
If someone repeatedly violates our standards, we may limit their ability to post or use Facebook.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 14, 2017 • 8:28:05am

This is how the right sees the fight to stop abuse.

reddit.com

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 14, 2017 • 8:28:16am

Comment over Wonkette on yesterday’s boycott of Twitter for a whole day:

After everything we’ve learned about Twitter, I’m astounded that this was somehow the straw that broke the camels back for so many. Like, you lived through the 2016 election, systemic harassment of women, endless ratfucking, invasions of privacy, but suddenly a Hollywood celebrity losing access to her Twitter account for a couple of hours is the thing that finally did it for you? I’m all for celebrities using their platform for social justice, but moments like these also is a great reminder how out-of-touch Hollywood can be.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 14, 2017 • 8:35:02am

LOL … LPD: Libertarian Police Department

newyorker.com

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 14, 2017 • 8:35:14am

re: #147 Dr. Matt

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We have a president who is actually proud that he’s going to hurt Americans while destroying an industry.

It’s not just the President — it’s the whole Republican party. Everyone at the signing yesterday applauded this action. We have a Republican party who celebrates the premature death of working class Americans in order to reduce taxes on the wealthy.

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meteor  Oct 14, 2017 • 8:41:43am

7-2 Man City over stoke. Wow.

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Unshaken Defiance  Oct 14, 2017 • 8:51:08am

re: #198 Anymouse

LOL … LPD: Libertarian Police Department

newyorker.com

Readers be warned, coffee may spill as you bust out laughing.

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ObserverArt  Oct 14, 2017 • 8:51:46am

Hey ‘mouse!?

I was catching up on this thread and you have me all cornfused.

Was it not just a day or so ago you were talking about running for your current position again, and then you went on to say you might try for the Congressional district HR seat?

Did I read you are now considering trying to enter a writing contest to get a farm in Canada?

Whut???

I admit it, I is confused. How does one go from maybe taking a step to represent a country to considering leaving it in a few hours?

Seems, well, all over the place. You okay?

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 14, 2017 • 8:53:36am

Crystal Palace! First three points.

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Alephnaught  Oct 14, 2017 • 8:56:01am

re: #200 meteor

7-2 Man City over stoke. Wow.

Not really. Although they’re regarded as the poor cousin to Manchester United, they’ve won the Premier League before in recent times, in 2013-2014.

Still, 7 goals, without a penalty shootout, is pretty impressive.

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JordanRules  Oct 14, 2017 • 8:56:58am

re: #202 ObserverArt

Thought the farm was in Alaska?

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ObserverArt  Oct 14, 2017 • 9:06:05am

re: #205 JordanRules

Thought the farm was in Alaska?

Oops. My mistake.

Still a little confusing. I got the impression ‘mouse was cool with Nebraska. Considering running for a HR seat seems like some committal to the state/community.

I’ll go climb back in my hole now…it’s a nice day here, I should be outside scraping paint, sanding, etc.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 14, 2017 • 9:08:54am

re: #202 ObserverArt

Hey ‘mouse!?

I was catching up on this thread and you have me all cornfused.

Was it not just a day or so ago you were talking about running for your current position again, and then you went on to say you might try for the Congressional district HR seat?

Did I read you are now considering trying to enter a writing contest to get a farm in Canada?

Whut???

I admit it, I is confused. How does one go from maybe taking a step to represent a country to considering leaving it in a few hours?

Seems, well, all over the place. You okay?

I did write about whether I should run again for my village board (where I probably would win, but no guarantees) or run against my congressman (which I probably wouldn’t win).

The issue of the farm in Alaska (not Canada) came up when someone in the last thread noted that someone is selling one, using a writing contest as the vehicle for entries.

The farm is worth quite a bit of money; the entry fee is relatively inexpensive.

I was also joking this morning with my wife about having a winter home. Many people have winter homes in places like Florida or Arizona; I suggested we could keep our home in Nebraska as our winter home.

Entry in that contest is dependent on whether my wife wants to do it (I am not going to commit to buying a raffle ticket/essay entry for a house thousands of miles away unless she agrees).

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 14, 2017 • 9:18:11am

Why the fuck does CNN keep having this douchebag Ben Ferguson on? All he does is talk over the other guests in the most condescending, douchey way.

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ObserverArt  Oct 14, 2017 • 9:20:12am

re: #207 Anymouse 🌹

I did write about whether I should run again for my village board (where I probably would win, but no guarantees) or run against my congressman (which I probably wouldn’t win).

The issue of the farm in Alaska (not Canada) came up when someone in the last thread noted that someone is selling one, using a writing contest as the vehicle for entries.

The farm is worth quite a bit of money; the entry fee is relatively inexpensive.

I was also joking this morning with my wife about having a winter home. Many people have winter homes in places like Florida or Arizona; I suggested we could keep our home in Nebraska as our winter home.

Entry in that contest is dependent on whether my wife wants to do it (I am not going to commit to buying a raffle ticket/essay entry for a house thousands of miles away unless she agrees).

Thanks. Sorry about the Canada bit, I was reading through quickly and just got caught up in the cold and northern direction.

Good luck with your decision making. A farm is in the words of Joe Biden: A big fuck’n’ deal.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 14, 2017 • 9:20:33am

Well, I learned something new today.

Idiot is a word derived from the Greek ἰδιώτης, idiōtēs (“person lacking professional skill”, “a private citizen”, “individual”), from ἴδιος, idios (“private”, “one’s own”).[1] In ancient Greece, people who were not capable of engaging in the public sphere were considered “idiotes”, in contrast to the public citizen, or “polites”[2]. In Latin the word idiota (“ordinary person, layman”) preceded the Late Latin meaning “uneducated or ignorant person”.[3] Its modern meaning and form dates back to Middle English around the year 1300, from the Old French idiote (“uneducated or ignorant person”). The related word idiocy dates to 1487 and may have been analogously modeled on the words prophet[4] and prophecy.[5][6] The word has cognates in many other languages.

An idiot in Athenian democracy was someone who was characterized by self-centeredness and concerned almost exclusively with private—as opposed to public—affairs.[7] Idiocy was the natural state of ignorance into which all persons were born and its opposite, citizenship, was effected through formalized education.[7] In Athenian democracy, idiots were born and citizens were made through education (although citizenship was also largely hereditary). “Idiot” originally referred to a “layman, person lacking professional skill”. Declining to take part in public life, such as democratic government of the polis (city state), was considered dishonorable. “Idiots” were seen as having bad judgment in public and political matters. Over time, the term “idiot” shifted away from its original connotation of selfishness and came to refer to individuals with overall bad judgment - individuals who are “stupid”.

en.m.wikipedia.org

So, it is therefore historically accurate to refer to Libertarians - and Republicans who subscribe to Libertarian ideals, as well as Randian Objectivists - as “idiots”.

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scottslemmons  Oct 14, 2017 • 9:21:27am

re: #208 Barefoot Grin

Why the fuck does CNN keep having this douchebag Ben Ferguson on? All he does is talk over the other guests in the most condescending, douchey way.

I think you’ve answered your own question…

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wrenchwench  Oct 14, 2017 • 9:22:38am

re: #195 nines09

Got this from Facebook Support. Win some.

If someone repeatedly violates our standards, we may limit their ability to post or use Facebook.

Where’s my skeptical face, I left it around here somewhere…

.

Good job, BTW.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 14, 2017 • 9:24:30am

re: #207 Anymouse 🌹

Also, on the issue of living somewhere, I’ve always been a bit of a flake about that. It has little to do with whether I’m “all right” and much to do with “I’m flaky.”

At various times in my life I’ve wanted to live in places I lived before (Michigan, Florida, Brazil, Spain), places I’ve visited (Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, Portugal, Poland, Saskatchewan, Ontario), or places I never lived in (Nebraska where I’m at now, California, Mexico).

There are also places I don’t want to live in again: Places I’ve lived in (Virginia Beach, Jacksonville, Charleston, western Massachusetts), and places I never lived (much of Dixie sorry LGF denizens who live in Dixie), Somalia, Russia (despite my sister-in-law from the former Soviet Union).

That might be attributed to my childhood, where I never lived in one place more than a couple years.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 14, 2017 • 9:27:08am

Nothing will ever stop Milo, Jim Hoft or Peter Thiel from kissing the Tangerine Tyrant’s ass 24/7!

It’s nice to see others Libertarian Gays come down to Earth after floating around their Laissez Fairyland and realize that Shittler used them and threw them away!

During his run for office, Donald Trump positioned himself as a champion of gay rights, someone who would bring the Republican Party into modernity on an increasingly settled civil rights cause. But well into his first year in the White House, those who hoped for the best have been disappointed and those who assumed the worst say their fears are realized.

thedailybeast.com

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nines09  Oct 14, 2017 • 9:31:14am

re: #212 wrenchwench

Took the picture down. Left the post up. Small victory. But I report all the bullshit I can. Got some Twits suspended. I liked that. Here’s a photo you may or may not have seen.

What happens when you do not move….
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wrenchwench  Oct 14, 2017 • 9:32:51am

re: #210 Dr Lizardo

Well, I learned something new today.

en.m.wikipedia.org

So, it is therefore historically accurate to refer to Libertarians - and Republicans who subscribe to Libertarian ideals, as well as Randian Objectivists - as “idiots”.

I spent a semester plus studying the Greeks in college. (Partly in person, where they used to be. Still are, in a way one could read or write books about.) The part about hanging out and talking about everything in the agora is something I could really get into, if I were born correctly.

If I were smarter, I could put a joke about ‘hypothetical’ right here. I’m trying to live in the balance between ‘idiot’ and ‘citizen’.

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wrenchwench  Oct 14, 2017 • 9:37:26am

re: #215 nines09

Took the picture down. Left the post up. Small victory. But I report all the bullshit I can. Got some Twits suspended. I liked that. Here’s a photo you may or may not have seen.

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That one is new to me. Somewhere carefully preserved on a shelf I have a calendar with this one.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 14, 2017 • 9:38:00am

re: #214 Joe Bacon 🌹

Nothing will ever stop Milo, Jim Hoft or Peter Thiel from kissing the Tangerine Tyrant’s ass 24/7!

It’s nice to see others Libertarian Gays come down to Earth after floating around their Laissez Fairyland and realize that Shittler used them and threw them away!

During his run for office, Donald Trump positioned himself as a champion of gay rights, someone who would bring the Republican Party into modernity on an increasingly settled civil rights cause. But well into his first year in the White House, those who hoped for the best have been disappointed and those who assumed the worst say their fears are realized.

thedailybeast.com

Instead, Barron and others are alarmed at the direction the administration is taking. Trump is responsible for some of it, having signed a directive banning the recruitment of transgender troops. But much of it has originated from his agencies. The Justice Department has changed its position on whether sexual orientation is covered under the Civil Rights Act, withdrawn federal protections for transgender kids in schools, and said it will not prosecute organizations who cite religious objections when declining to serve gay customers. (emphasis mine)

And that is only the start. If one can use religion to undermine equal access laws in respect to the LGBT, you can use religion to undermine such laws in respect to anyone. Jim Crow will come roaring back.

The example I use is my wife and I being atheists, in a county where everyone knows that. We have one store in our town. If they use religion to discriminate against us for our lack of belief, the next two stores are sixteen miles away. Both of those store owners also know we are atheists. If they refuse us, the next nearest store is sixty miles away.

Libertarians are opposed to equal access laws for a different reason (the government should not be able to tell you who you must serve on your private property). However, there are a lot more religious people than libertarians.

Equal access laws came into being precisely because of de facto Jim Crow, even where the law didn’t mandate segregation. If you owned a hotel in the South that didn’t discriminate against someone based on skin colour, but every other hotel in town did, those hotels could effectively run the non-discriminatory hotel out of business by playing on racism.

Equal access laws came about due to the constitutional Right to Travel. Such de facto Jim Crow effectively prohibited travel by African-Americans - which was why the Green Book was created (to give African-American travellers a reference to which businesses would serve them in unfamiliar places).

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Skip Intro  Oct 14, 2017 • 9:39:11am

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mmmirele  Oct 14, 2017 • 9:39:32am

re: #125 freetoken

If you mean Mohler, he’s head of the main seminary for the SBC.

When he took over, he purged the college of those he deemed impure and replaced them with his own men.

I then started to call him “Mullah Mohler”.

He’s pretty much despised by everyone who isn’t a fundamentalist in his camp.

Even some dispensationalists don’t like him, as he’s opened the door to the right-wing Presbyterian types.

He’s helped the Neo-Calvinists (“Reformed” on steroids) pretty much take over the Southern Baptist Convention. It’s not a pretty sight and the SBC is losing members by the droves.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 14, 2017 • 9:45:20am

re: #219 Skip Intro

But fuck that Obama guy for golfing too much.

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Mattand  Oct 14, 2017 • 9:51:31am

Jesus Christ, if I see one more white person wave that goddamn William Harvey Carney meme around Facebook, I’m going to fucking lose it. He’s the black Union soldier who supposedly got shot to pieces but still didn’t let the flag hit the ground.

These fucking people are using it like a goddamn talisman that somehow proves that black athletes aren’t allowed to comment on the endemic racism in the US.

Angry postal worker (not joking here):

Yeah … that’s why I will NOT give the disrespectful anti-American NFL my hard-earned American dollars, no matter how cheap the tickets get. Circus clowns should be grateful AMERICA made them millionairs.

Me:

I wonder how Mr. Carney was treated after the war by white people after he returned to civilian life. He still lived in a country where segregation was legal, and black people were treated just as poorly in the North. I’d be willing to bet it wasn’t great.

Which is why it’s really galling to see white folk waving this guy’s photo around Facebook, basically trying to shame black people into not telling white people there’s still a huge racial problem in the US.

Which segues into, *again*, the NFL protests are a heads up that black people are still being discriminated against in this country, particularly by white police who use them as target practice.

Black people are peacefully protesting under the rights granted to them by the First Amendment, and white people are losing their shit because its interfering with their precious sports ball games. That’s basically the crux of the matter.

It’s worth noting that many of the complaints being leveled against the NFL players are frighteningly similar to those leveled against Rosa Parks; the lunch counter protesters; and MLK, Jr: aka, “Why don’t those people just be quiet and stop causing trouble.”

Also, refusing to support the NFL means never watching another a game, in addition not buying products/services from their advertisers. Boycotts are really hard to do correctly. I’m curious to see how this works out.

Probably not the best use of my time, and I probably just torpedoed another friendship on FB, but it sorta makes me feel better.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2017 • 9:53:26am

re: #222 Mattand

Jesus Christ, if I see one more white person wave that goddamn William Harvey Carney meme around Facebook, I’m going to fucking lose it. He’s the black Union soldier who supposedly got shot to piece but still didn’t let the flag hit the ground.

These fucking people are using it like a goddamn talisman that somehow proves that black athletes aren’t allowed to comment on the endemic racism in the US.

Angry postal worker (not joking here):

Me:

Probably not the best use of my time, and I probably just torpedoes another friendship on FB, but it sorta makes me feel better.

Sounds like just another dead black guy for white people to use to talk down to black people of today.

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nines09  Oct 14, 2017 • 9:53:52am

re: #217 wrenchwench

And if you look at it closely you can see the trees are also tearing the bike in two. I at first missed that. I used to heat my home with wood many a moon ago. I would get “cull” or not suitable for lumber trees delivered to my place 32,000 lb at a time. Tri Axle with a cherry picker, laid at the base of my drive. Chain and split and stack and season and burn. Every once in awhile I’d chain through wire or a slug. Your bike has been eaten by a fast growing tree.
Something about “time and tide”…..

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Mattand  Oct 14, 2017 • 9:56:28am

re: #223 HappyWarrior

Sounds like just another dead black guy for white people to use to talk down to black people of today.

Damn, son, that’s spot on. Definitely stealing that.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 14, 2017 • 9:57:36am

re: #216 wrenchwench

I spent a semester plus studying the Greeks in college. (Partly in person, where they used to be. Still are, in a way one could read or write books about.) The part about hanging out and talking about everything in the agora is something I could really get into, if I were born correctly.

If I were smarter, I could put a joke about ‘hypothetical’ right here. I’m trying to live in the balance between ‘idiot’ and ‘citizen’.

explains how it relates to “idiosyncracy”.

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wrenchwench  Oct 14, 2017 • 10:00:49am

re: #224 nines09

And if you look at it closely you can see the trees are also tearing the bike in two. I at first missed that. I used to heat my home with wood many a moon ago. I would get “cull” or not suitable for lumber trees delivered to my place 32,000 lb at a time. Tri Axle with a cherry picker, laid at the base of my drive. Chain and split and stack and season and burn. Every once in awhile I’d chain through wire or a slug. Your bike has been eaten by a fast growing tree.
Something about “time and tide”…..

In the Pacific Northwet, saboteurs used to drive railway spike into trees to save them from the loggers. They claimed to have marked them all so they wouldn’t make the dangerous [to the workers] trip to the sawmill.

Once I assisted splitting wood with a homemade-from-mill-parts splitter in PA.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 14, 2017 • 10:04:26am

re: #222 Mattand

Jesus Christ, if I see one more white person wave that goddamn William Harvey Carney meme around Facebook, I’m going to fucking lose it. He’s the black Union soldier who supposedly got shot to pieces but still didn’t let the flag hit the ground.

These fucking people are using it like a goddamn talisman that somehow proves that black athletes aren’t allowed to comment on the endemic racism in the US.

Angry postal worker (not joking here):

Me:

Probably not the best use of my time, and I probably just torpedoed another friendship on FB, but it sorta makes me feel better.

I would not want such a friend if he can justify racism.

That goes back to that political cartoon I saw a couple days ago, the history of whites telling blacks to get up.

It starts with a white overseer with a whip telling a slave that, then whites telling blacks to get up in a diner, then on a bus, and now NFL players.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 14, 2017 • 10:05:52am

re: #218 Anymouse 🌹

I remember that the JC Penney store in my home town would not allow people of color or Jews to shop there.

They were told to go to the Sears store a couple blocks away.

Our borough pool “requested” that people of color stay away.

Other shops and clubs were “restricted”

And this was in Western Pennsylvania right before the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed…

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wrenchwench  Oct 14, 2017 • 10:07:51am

re: #226 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

explains how it relates to “idiosyncracy”.

Two lizards have expressed displeasure at hearing the word ‘idiosyncratic’ from the mouths of medical people. One was Obdicut, whom I almost forgot how much I miss him, the other is goddamnedsomebodyorother.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2017 • 10:08:05am

I mean don’t get me wrong. People like Carney should be celebrated but I’m tired of white people using African-Americans of the past to tell African-Americans of today what they can and cannot do. It’s not only patronizing, it’s definitely racist too. And frankly considering many of these people defend the CSA, the same people literally murdered people like Carney, forced him back into slavery, or treated him like second class citizens, I don’t have the patience for it.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2017 • 10:08:24am

re: #230 wrenchwench

Two lizards have expressed displeasure at hearing the word ‘idiosyncratic’ from the mouths of medical people. One was Obdicut, whom I almost forgot how much I miss him, the other is goddamnedsomebodyorother.

I miss Obdi. Really intelligent poster.

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wrenchwench  Oct 14, 2017 • 10:11:14am

re: #232 HappyWarrior

I miss Obdi. Really intelligent poster.

It’s pretty much the opposite of a ‘pissing contest’, but there were many times when I would have rated him #1.

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nines09  Oct 14, 2017 • 10:12:03am

re: #227 wrenchwench

Yes I remember those times. Spotted owl. I used to enjoy chaining and splitting. Greatest workout of my life. Made me the strongest I ever was. There was a proper way to do it, and if you did it right, you never pulled anything. I had two splitting mauls a sledge and a wedge. Dutch Elm got wiped out in Pennsylvania around that time and I happened across some from the local State School grounds. The grain went like a corkscrew. Insane to try and split. Mechanical woodsplitters caused one of my co workers to only be able to count to 8 and 1/2 with his hands. Where at in Pa?

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wrenchwench  Oct 14, 2017 • 10:16:13am

re: #229 Joe Bacon 🌹

I remember that the JC Penney store in my home town would not allow people of color or Jews to shop there.

They were told to go to the Sears store a couple blocks away.

Our borough pool “requested” that people of color stay away.

Other shops and clubs were “restricted”

And this was in Western Pennsylvania right before the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed…

I had the chore of explaining ‘white privilege’ to Mr. w. He got it really quick, but he started at ‘How can I be ‘privileged’ when I lived right across the street from the black millworkers?’ —in Western Pennsylvania.

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Renaissance_Man  Oct 14, 2017 • 10:16:20am

re: #232 HappyWarrior

I miss Obdi. Really intelligent poster.

He was very smart, but also had a tendency to aggressively bully anyone who didn’t agree 100%. His insistence that every half-formed opinion or misstatement was a deliberate lie was particularly annoying.

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Charmingly Persistent (EmmaAnne)  Oct 14, 2017 • 10:16:25am

re: #197 Anymouse 🌹

Comment over Wonkette on yesterday’s boycott of Twitter for a whole day:

People protesting in the wrong way again. Or at the worng time. Or with the wrong hashtag. Shakes head. Please let us know when and how it is OK to protest because we certainly wouldn’t want to do it wrong.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2017 • 10:16:44am

re: #233 wrenchwench

It’s pretty much the opposite of a ‘pissing contest’, but there were many times when I would have rated him #1.

I learned a lot from him. Heard he had some health troubles. Damn shame.

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Charmingly Persistent (EmmaAnne)  Oct 14, 2017 • 10:17:16am

re: #232 HappyWarrior

Me too.

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Nyet  Oct 14, 2017 • 10:18:20am

Checked out how the old Scientology critic Arnie Lerma was doing. He’s in a full pro-Trump, “Israel created ISIS”, 9/11 truther mode.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 14, 2017 • 10:18:31am

re: #237 Charmingly Persistent (EmmaAnne)

People protesting in the wrong way again. Or at the worng time. Or with the wrong hashtag. Shakes head. Please let us know when and how it is OK to protest because we certainly wouldn’t want to do it wrong.

Ever since “Trending on Twitter” became a viable news topic, I knew that the days of our American Civilization were numbered.

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wrenchwench  Oct 14, 2017 • 10:19:03am

re: #234 nines09

Yes I remember those times. Spotted owl. I used to enjoy chaining and splitting. Greatest workout of my life. Made me the strongest I ever was. There was a proper way to do it, and if you did it right, you never pulled anything. I had two splitting mauls a sledge and a wedge. Dutch Elm got wiped out in Pennsylvania around that time and I happened across some from the local State School grounds. The grain went like a corkscrew. Insane to try and split. Mechanical woodsplitters caused one of my co workers to only be able to count to 8 and 1/2 with his hands. Where at in Pa?

Sharon. Mr. w and I started our cross-country bike trip there. (Log splitting was at his sister’s house.) We rode half an hour and got to Ohio.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2017 • 10:19:05am

re: #235 wrenchwench

I had the chore of explaining ‘white privilege’ to Mr. w. He got it really quick, but he started at ‘How can I be ‘privileged’ when I lived right across the street from the black millworkers?’ —in Western Pennsylvania.

I’ve often argued that part of what makes white privilege work is not knowing you have it. When I was explaining the concept to my Dad, I pointed out to him that no one ever talks about “white culture” following things like Oklahoma City or more recently Las Vegas. We straight white guys aren’t expected to condemn the Timothy McVeighs, Stephen Paddocks, or Ted Bundys in our ranks.

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wrenchwench  Oct 14, 2017 • 10:20:00am

re: #236 Renaissance_Man

He was very smart, but also had a tendency to aggressively bully anyone who didn’t agree 100%. His insistence that every half-formed opinion or misstatement was a deliberate lie was particularly annoying.

I remember only the good. Except when I am reminded.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2017 • 10:20:00am

re: #236 Renaissance_Man

He was very smart, but also had a tendency to aggressively bully anyone who didn’t agree 100%. His insistence that every half-formed opinion or misstatement was a deliberate lie was particularly annoying.

Never had any trouble with him.

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Bass Reeves  Oct 14, 2017 • 10:20:40am

Are y’all tracking this story about the newly released family held hostage by the Haqqani network? I’m curious what your take on it is. I’m very….disturbed…by the three children conceived and born in captivity. Also the circumstances of the trip in general, taking a very pregnant woman into quite literally a war zone to go hiking.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 14, 2017 • 10:21:22am

re: #243 HappyWarrior

I’ve often argued that part of what makes white privilege work is not knowing you have it. When I was explaining the concept to my Dad, I pointed out to him that no one ever talks about “white culture” following things like Oklahoma City or more recently Las Vegas. We straight white guys aren’t expected to condemn the Timothy McVeighs, Stephen Paddocks, or Ted Bundys in our ranks.

If your parents were able to get an FHA-approved loan to buy their house, then you benefited from White Privilege.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2017 • 10:21:48am

Vast majority of serial killers in this country have been heterosexual white males. Yet no one ever uses that as an excuse for saying we should racially profile white guys or that there’s something wrong with “white culture.” You’re allowed to be an individual if you’re white. I freely admit this myself because I’m allowed to separate myself by my ethno background where a black person is just black and all Hispanics are seen as either immigrants and or of Mexican descent.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 14, 2017 • 10:24:26am

re: #248 HappyWarrior

Vast majority of serial killers in this country have been heterosexual white males.

Careful with that claim: Mass Shooters Aren’t Disproportionately White

Where the myth came from, and what it gets right and wrong about the demographics of mass killings.

But yes, white domestic terrorists are too often seen as “lone wolves”, “mentally unstable” or “on medication”…

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2017 • 10:25:57am

re: #249 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Careful with that claim: Mass Shooters Aren’t Disproportionately White

Where the myth came from, and what it gets right and wrong about the demographics of mass killings.

But yes, white domestic terrorists are too often seen as “lone wolves”, “mentally unstable” or “on medication”…

Serial killers are different than mass killers.

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wrenchwench  Oct 14, 2017 • 10:28:21am

re: #238 HappyWarrior

I learned a lot from him. Heard he had some health troubles. Damn shame.

Fellow TBI traveler. It’s a long road, and he was navigating it while in graduate school. I can’t blame him for spending his time on that. Last seen as ‘Obdicut, now with 2% less brain’ IIRC.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2017 • 10:29:23am

re: #251 wrenchwench

Fellow TBI traveler. It’s a long road, and he was navigating it while in graduate school. I can’t blame him for spending his time on that. Last seen as ‘Obdicut, now with 2% less brain’ IIRC.

I don’t blame him either. Hope he’s doing well.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 14, 2017 • 10:29:41am

re: #237 Charmingly Persistent (EmmaAnne)

People protesting in the wrong way again. Or at the worng time. Or with the wrong hashtag. Shakes head. Please let us know when and how it is OK to protest because we certainly wouldn’t want to do it wrong.

I think the objection in the comment is that the protest of staying of Twitter for a day will accomplish zip. Just like the protest over Leslie Jones. Just like protests about “I’m not shopping on a particular day” but I’ll give you all my money the day after.

For comparison I would cite the Montgomery Bus Boycott over de facto Jim Crow. (Montgomery never had a de jure segregation law on the private bus system.) What worked was African-Americans saying they wouldn’t put up with that crap any more, and they stayed away from the bus system for a whole year until it changed.

A day’s protest on Twitter is not about “the right way to protest.” A day’s protest on Twitter accomplishes zip other than a platitude from Jack Dorsey saying his company will look into new ways of preventing harassment.

Harassment is already against Twitter’s terms of service. All Twitter has to do is enforce what it already has. (That would require hiring people to actually process the complaints though, and heaven forfend Twitter spend money on that.)

Yesterday’s protest over an actress being suspended for a telephone number in her tweet was what broke the straw of the camel’s back (for one whole day because imagine being inconvenienced for a whole year like Birmingham African-Americans were), not the rampant death threats, rape threats, outings, bullying, &c. A freakin’ phone number spat.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 14, 2017 • 10:31:51am

I’ll just leave this right here.

I love this man. I love his wife, and I cherish his family.

Real American
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nines09  Oct 14, 2017 • 10:31:55am

re: #242 wrenchwench

You’re much better off out of western Pennsylvania, trust me. You ain’t missing a thing.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2017 • 10:33:36am

re: #254 Dave In Austin

I’ll just leave this right here.

I love this man. I love his wife, and I cherish his family.

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I really hope the next Dem President is as good as he was. He’ll be remembered well.

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William Lewis  Oct 14, 2017 • 10:38:18am

re: #241 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Ever since “Trending on Twitter” became a viable news topic, I knew that the days of our American Civilization were numbered.

All I can hope for anymore is that my son lives a long life and survives to see the 2nd Republic built on the ruins of the one that died last November.

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BigPapa  Oct 14, 2017 • 10:39:15am

LGF getting a little circle back love regarding Rage Furby

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wrenchwench  Oct 14, 2017 • 10:39:17am

re: #255 nines09

You’re much better off out of western Pennsylvania, trust me. You ain’t missing a thing.

This much I know. Mr. w joined the Navy to escape. His brother-in-law, who built the splitter, is no longer with us, and he was younger than Mr. w. We toured the plant the splitter-builder worked at, where Mr. w worked summers during high school. The next day all the guys were asking our guide ‘Who was that kid you brought in yesterday?’ He told them, ‘You should remember him, you worked with him back in the day.’ They were all old already. Mr. w is getting there only now, 31 years after that bike trip. My accident aged him, sorry to say.

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Birth Control Works  Oct 14, 2017 • 10:44:25am

VOCABUARY WORD OF THE DAY:

Sfumato (Italian: [sfuˈmaːto], English: /sfuːˈmɑːtoʊ/) is one of the four canonical painting modes of Renaissance art (alongside cangiante, chiaroscuro, and unione).[1]

Leonardo da Vinci became the most prominent practitioner of sfumato, for instance, in Virgin of the Rocks and in his famous painting of the Mona Lisa. Leonardo da Vinci described sfumato as “without lines or borders, in the manner of smoke or beyond the focus plane”.[2]

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 14, 2017 • 10:44:54am

re: #255 nines09

You’re much better off out of western Pennsylvania, trust me. You ain’t missing a thing.

I left 35 years ago and never regretted the decision to get out!

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Birth Control Works  Oct 14, 2017 • 10:46:12am

re: #261 Joe Bacon 🌹

I left 35 years ago and never regretted the decision to get out!

THAT IS HOW I feel about Indiana.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 14, 2017 • 10:47:24am

re: #262 Birth Control Works

THAT IS HOW I feel about Indiana.

I left Gary, Indiana in 1976, never to return…of six siblings, only one of us remained in the Calumet Region.

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Charmingly Persistent (EmmaAnne)  Oct 14, 2017 • 10:48:49am

re: #253 Anymouse 🌹

I think the objection in the comment is that the protest of staying of Twitter for a day will accomplish zip.

So we definitely shouldn’t try then. Also, we shouldn’t call our republican senators because they only listen to donors. And we shouldn’t vote, because it’s all gerrymandered anyway.

Or, you know, we could do what we can can where we can and sometimes it makes difference. I don’t know if Twitter will change. But we got Jack’s attention, so the chances are a little bit better than if we hadn’t bothered.

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ObserverArt  Oct 14, 2017 • 10:49:08am

re: #229 Joe Bacon 🌹

I remember that the JC Penney store in my home town would not allow people of color or Jews to shop there.

They were told to go to the Sears store a couple blocks away.

Our borough pool “requested” that people of color stay away.

Other shops and clubs were “restricted”

And this was in Western Pennsylvania right before the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed…

There was a small town in North Central Ohio where a bunch of relatives from my mother’s side of the family lived. It was all White even up into the 70s. Hell, it may still be, I sure don’t go there anymore. Those people on that side of the family are stuck in 1940, maybe earlier.

The town didn’t seem to have a written policy, just an accepted one by the town folk. They didn’t rent or sell homes to people of Color, especially the Black color. If a Black family moves in, it wouldn’t last long. I guess the not wanted signs were pretty strong.

Interesting point about the town. Very Germanic. My mother was 100% German. And the town was full of people with names like Frye, Schmidt, Metzger, Hermann, Gehrig and the like.

My one aunt though was 100% Mexican of Spanish heritage. She was White enough I guess. But she was married to a German, my mom’s Brother, my uncle Joe.

I’m pretty sure Archie Bunker was modeled after my uncle Joe. That man was a piece of work, even if he hated Nazi’s because he fought them in WW2. I guess he never saw the Nazi in himself though, since he fought them and all.

How bad was he and some of the relatives on that side of the family? They lived all of 30 miles away and I can’t think of one time they ever came to visit us. This was my mother’s brother and other relatives. Why didn’t they visit? I think I mentioned I lived in a city and a neighborhood that had Blacks around us.

Yeah. I have plenty stories from the White side of things that show how bad and deep set racism is. I understand from my one brother that many of those relatives are still extremely set in their ways. Racist/Bigoted ways.

And then there is my own oldest brother. He and Uncle Joe got along let’s say. Sigh.

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DanielKi  Oct 14, 2017 • 10:50:20am

Off topic, but I just have to share this shiny little gem with my fellow politics-obsessed:

Brexiteers. Bless their little hearts.
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Dave In Austin  Oct 14, 2017 • 10:53:15am

re: #263 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I left Gary, Indiana in 1976, never to return…of six siblings, only one of us remained in the Calumet Region.

And you went to AZ….
Yep. we moved to PHX in 67 from Wheaton, IL. (Yeah, I know……). Been a Western man, and desert rat ever since.

At the time I think Phoenix was the melting pot of the nation. Everyone was from somewhere else and natives were an oddity.

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Birth Control Works  Oct 14, 2017 • 10:57:38am

re: #267 Dave In Austin

And you went to AZ….
Yep. we moved to PHX in 67 from Wheaton, IL. (Yeah, I know……). Been a Western man, and desert rat ever since.

At the time I think Phoenix was the melting pot of the nation. Everyone was from somewhere else and natives were an oddity.

Wheaton is a nice place overall. It’s still very much white/christian. Churches there sponsor a lot of immigrants (Vietnamese).

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ObserverArt  Oct 14, 2017 • 10:59:21am

re: #244 wrenchwench

I remember only the good. Except when I am reminded.

I’m thinking Obdi had a higher IQ than ol’ Donny!

Really, I think Obdi was very intelligent and some of his debate style came from that. He came from a studied/academic point and I think he demanded a bit of that of others.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 14, 2017 • 10:59:27am

re: #265 ObserverArt

There was a small town in North Central Ohio where a bunch of relatives from my mother’s side of the family lived. It was all White even up into the 70s. Hell, it may still be, I sure don’t go there anymore. Those people on that side of the family are stuck in 1940, maybe earlier.

There was a “Mason-Dixon Line” in Indiana: the border between Gary and Merrillville: well into the 70’s, no black person could buy a house south of 52nd Avenue in the all-white suburbs.

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nines09  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:00:35am

re: #259 wrenchwench

People who yearn for the mills and the mines never saw people get broken into pieces and buried years before their time. Guys with rotted out throats that had to use voice boxes to talk. Crippled. Limping. Lost fingers, arms, hands. Working lines that wrecked your back. Concrete floor all the day long. I worked a foundry a long 4 months or so. I would come home and gag up metal and grime. Everybody I met was “only here until (fill in blank)” and when asked how long they were there would answer “5 years….6 years…..3 years…..”…
You ain’t going anywhere.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:00:38am

re: #267 Dave In Austin

And you went to AZ….
Yep. we moved to PHX in 67 from Wheaton, IL. (Yeah, I know……). Been a Western man, and desert rat ever since.

At the time I think Phoenix was the melting pot of the nation. Everyone was from somewhere else and natives were an oddity.

I migrated to AZ in 1978. My sister was there, having moved there from California.

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Skip Intro  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:00:49am

re: #221 Eclectic Cyborg

But fuck that Obama guy for golfing too much.

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And all of those Executive Orders!!!

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ObserverArt  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:01:03am

re: #250 HappyWarrior

Serial killers are different than mass killers.

And not all are shooters.

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Birth Control Works  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:09:00am

Twitter has struggled in the past to find a balance in moderating content on it platform. It has tried to adhere to principles of free speech, but its efforts have sometimes been undermined by pseudonymous trolls directing abuse at other users.

The company is under increasing scrutiny as lawmakers investigate how it was used as part of Russia’s effort to interfere in the presidential election last year. Senator Mark Warner, Democrat of Virginia and vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, said that a briefing provided by the company to congressional investigators “showed an enormous lack of understanding from the Twitter team of how serious this issue is.”

Twitter’s problems with unsavory content have also put off potential buyers. Disney, for instance, considered making a bid for the company, but ultimately opted not to.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:09:49am

re: #268 Birth Control Works

Wheaton is a nice place overall. It’s still very much white/christian. Churches there sponsor a lot of immigrants (Vietnamese).

I grew literally up on “Main St.” 4th of July parade went right in front of the house. My family was closely involved with Wheaton College. You couldn’t get any more white bread Republican American at the time. My Dad lost a leg on the beach of Peleliu in the war and the winters got to be too much so we moved to warmer clims. It was a culture shock for all of us.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:11:01am

My hometown was a centerpiece of the steel industry until Reagan let the mills die in 1984. Nothing replaced them. Ambridge PA is now just a dead town with crackhouses and heroin shooting galleries.

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Birth Control Works  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:11:30am

re: #276 Dave In Austin

I grew literally up on “Main St.” 4th of July parade went right in front of the house. My family was closely involved with Wheaton College. You couldn’t get any more white bread Republican American at the time. My Dad lost a leg on the beach of Peleliu in the war and the winters got to be too much so we moved to warmer clims. It was a culture shock for all of us.

I understand, I went from Grosse Pointe, Michigan to Southern Indiana in Junior High.

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makeitstop  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:12:17am

re: #233 wrenchwench

It’s pretty much the opposite of a ‘pissing contest’, but there were many times when I would have rated him #1.

Obdi is the only Lizard (so far) who I’ve met in meat space. He came out to one of my gigs and I got to hang with him briefly.

And that’s the problem with meeting folks at gigs - I never get to spend any real time with them because work.

I miss him, too. Maybe he’ll check in one day.

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Birth Control Works  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:13:04am

re: #277 Joe Bacon 🌹

My hometown was a centerpiece of the steel industry until Reagan let the mills die in 1984. Nothing replaced them. Ambridge PA is now just a dead town with crackhouses and heroin shooting galleries.

Sounds like Gary. Driving thru it is scary as hell. I have friends whose family refuses to leave. They and others who have stayed have created some nice stable areas, but it’s still bleak.

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Birth Control Works  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:13:32am

re: #279 makeitstop

Obdi is the only Lizard (so far) who I’ve met in meat space. He came out to one of my gigs and I got to hang with him briefly.

And that’s the problem with meeting folks at gigs - I never get to spend any real time with them because work.

I miss him, too. Maybe he’ll check in one day.

I’d like that.

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BigPapa  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:13:53am
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BigPapa  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:14:54am

I’m friends with Obdi on Facebook. He pipes up every once in a while, seems to be doing OK in meatworld.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:15:36am
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Birth Control Works  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:15:52am

re: #283 BigPapa

I’m friends with Obdi on Facebook. He pipes up every once in a while, seems to be doing OK in meatworld.

Meatworld! Now I feel really old. I remember when It was called IRL (In Real Life).

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makeitstop  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:16:26am

re: #255 nines09

You’re much better off out of western Pennsylvania, trust me. You ain’t missing a thing.

I used to play out that way every so often. It’s where the term ‘Pennsyl-tucky’ came from.

I was always happy to get back home to Bucks County after those swings.

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nines09  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:16:38am

re: #277 Joe Bacon 🌹

My hometown was a centerpiece of the steel industry until Reagan let the mills die in 1984. Nothing replaced them. Ambridge PA is now just a dead town with crackhouses and heroin shooting galleries.

Named after American Bridge company. Saw that sign outside Ambridge I worked out of Lewiston New York hauling cars and went through those valleys in the late 70’s watching the mills die. People have no idea how huge the steel industry was out there.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:16:58am

re: #284 Dave In Austin

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You support Trump, STFU.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:17:31am

re: #284 Dave In Austin

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Birth Control Works  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:17:54am

re: #288 HappyWarrior

You support Trump, STFU.

Ted surely has some skeletons?

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I Would Prefer Not To  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:18:07am

re: #279 makeitstop

Obdi is the only Lizard (so far) who I’ve met in meat space. He came out to one of my gigs and I got to hang with him briefly.

And that’s the problem with meeting folks at gigs - I never get to spend any real time with them because work.

I miss him, too. Maybe he’ll check in one day.

I hope so. He reached out to me when I was looking for a new job. We exchanged emails. etc. Hope he comes back.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:18:57am

re: #242 wrenchwench

Sharon. Mr. w and I started our cross-country bike trip there. (Log splitting was at his sister’s house.) We rode half an hour and got to Ohio.

I remember you saying that a while back. My hometown is about 10 miles north of Sharon.

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wrenchwench  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:20:38am

re: #264 Charmingly Persistent (EmmaAnne)

So we definitely shouldn’t try then. Also, we shouldn’t call our republican senators because they only listen to donors. And we shouldn’t vote, because it’s all gerrymandered anyway.

Or, you know, we could do what we can can where we can and sometimes it makes difference. I don’t know if Twitter will change. But we got Jack’s attention, so the chances are a little bit better than if we hadn’t bothered.

Thanks for reminding me of what I wanted to reply to. (Watch that participle dangle!)

[pleasant customer interruption.]

The point of a one day boycott is to show that a boycott can happen. It should be followed by a major buy-in the next day, to emphasize the smallness of the day before.

I try to remember to eat grapes because we boycotted them forever when I was a kid in California (in support of the United Farm Workers, who I follow on twitter—everything comes around to something.)

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Birth Control Works  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:22:10am

GRIFTUS and Co. are just happy that they can focus on Hollywood depravity and corruption and not have to deflect another “rent boy” scandal.

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Birth Control Works  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:22:38am

re: #292 Eventual Carrion

I remember you saying that a while back. My hometown is about 10 miles north of Sharon.

Ah Sharon. Lived in Cinci for a while. Sharon people never leave Sharon.

Nice parks for kids.

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jaunte  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:22:39am

“President Trump’s Twitter account is a designated public forum under the First Amendment, and the president violates the Constitution when he blocks people from this forum simply because they’ve criticized him. Notably, the government doesn’t contest that the president is blocking our clients because of their viewpoints. The government’s contention that @realDonaldTrump is a personal account is not defensible given that the president routinely uses it for official purposes and both the president and his aides have publicly described the account as official.”

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nines09  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:23:17am

re: #286 makeitstop

I delivered all over western Pa in my last Bunky Big Rig, Amazing Beat The Clock, Game Show. I was glad I could drive away. I live in central Pa and it has its good and bad, but I really do think the people have gotten dumber. They don’t want to know.

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Birth Control Works  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:23:28am

Honestly, the only protest that works is one that involves money.

If American’s refused to spend a dime for just one day —now that would make an impact.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:23:36am

Arsenal are rubbish. Standing around—they deserve to lose.

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A Mom Anon  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:24:46am

re: #246 Bass Reeves

I saw this earlier today. Heartbreaking and angering. I do not get why the husband in this case wanted to do this trip. North and South America are full of lovely places to camp and hike. It makes no sense. The wife’s dad is PISSED. I just hope she gets the help she’s going to need. Support, therapy, encouragement and love. Not to mention time. And those poor kids. I feel for the husband, he didn’t plan for this, but I still don’t get his reasoning. I just hope they all recover and can move forward at some point.

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wrenchwench  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:25:09am

re: #292 Eventual Carrion

I remember you saying that a while back. My hometown is about 10 miles north of Sharon.

And I remember you saying that (although at times I may have thought it was one of those other PA lizards), and worrying about you like a former sort-of-neighbor when you had surgery. Are you all recovered from that? Things take so long, sometimes.

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jaunte  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:25:17am

re: #298 Birth Control Works

Honestly, the only protest that works is one that involves money.

If American’s refused to spend a dime for just one day —now that would make an impact.

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wrenchwench  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:26:11am

re: #295 Birth Control Works

Ah Sharon. Lived in Cinci for a while. Sharon people never leave Sharon.

Nice parks for kids.

I got one. Sharon can’t have him back.

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Birth Control Works  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:26:32am
Clarkson’s three-year-old daughter also models herself after Wonder Woman, which is really sweet. Here’s to more proof that Gal Gadot needs a nomination for the next James Bond, a movie which we would watch.

I will say that her appearance on SNL marked the first time I’ve laughed-out-loud while watching SNL in a very long time.

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makeitstop  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:27:23am

re: #297 nines09

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Dave In Austin  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:27:33am

American Heros.

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makeitstop  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:29:44am

re: #300 A Mom Anon

I saw this earlier today. Heartbreaking and angering. I do not get why the husband in this case wanted to do this trip. North and South America are full of lovely places to camp and hike. It makes no sense. The wife’s dad is PISSED. I just hope she gets the help she’s going to need. Support, therapy, encouragement and love. Not to mention time. And those poor kids. I feel for the husband, he didn’t plan for this, but I still don’t get his reasoning. I just hope they all recover and can move forward at some point.

I heard about it on the radio in the truck the other day, and that was my first question to my wife - who the hell takes his pregnant wife hiking in fuckin’ Afghanistan?

Geez, pick a friendly country in that area.

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Birth Control Works  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:29:55am

Over a week after the Weinstein report, Michael Moore dials back on his 2015 tweet calling Harvey Weinstein “one of the best people to work with in this town” and makes a handful of suggestions for complicit men of Hollywood to put abusers “on notice”-notably neglecting to mention his current deal with the Weinstein Company which has acquired the rights to Moore’s new Donald Trump documentary. From the post:

To the men who do treat women as equals and behave toward them with respect and dignity: This is your moment! Confront the abusive men at work. When you see something, you must say something. No more ignoring and turning away when you see women being harassed and intimidated in the workplace. This is on us. MEN, step forward, NOW!

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wrenchwench  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:30:39am

re: #307 makeitstop

I heard about it on the radio in the truck the other day, and that was my first question to my wife - who the hell takes his pregnant wife hiking in fuckin’ Afghanistan?

Geez, pick a friendly country in that area.

Were they Hiking for God?

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Birth Control Works  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:30:45am

re: #307 makeitstop

I heard about it on the radio in the truck the other day, and that was my first question to my wife - who the hell takes his pregnant wife hiking in fuckin’ Afghanistan?

Geez, pick a friendly country in that area.

Not why would he take her——

Why would she go?

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A Mom Anon  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:32:14am

re: #310 Birth Control Works

Yeah, that too. Sigh.

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makeitstop  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:32:19am

re: #309 wrenchwench

Were they Hiking for God?

There’s a possibility I hadn’t thought of. Could be.

re: #310 Birth Control Works

Not why would he take her——

Why would she go?

If WW’s guess is correct, that would explain why she went.

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nines09  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:32:32am

re: #305 makeitstop

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wrenchwench  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:32:38am

re: #310 Birth Control Works

Not why would he take her——

Why would she go?

Is it time to play How Pro-Choice Are You?

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ObserverArt  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:33:21am

re: #277 Joe Bacon 🌹

My hometown was a centerpiece of the steel industry until Reagan let the mills die in 1984. Nothing replaced them. Ambridge PA is now just a dead town with crackhouses and heroin shooting galleries.

Much like my old city. We had a large steel mill providing steel and metals to Fisher Body, Westinghouse, Tappan, etc. All gone. Large drug problems too, as in a lot of towns in Ohio that struggle to get out of the past.

And a lot of them bought all of Trump.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:34:07am

Police save man from Darwin Award:

Man Arrested after Trying to Light Cigarette with Gas Pump Nozzle (goes to the Scottsbluff, NE Star-Herald)

Police in North Dakota have arrested a man for possession of drugs after first spotting him attempting to light a cigarette with the nozzle of a gas pump.

The Bismarck Tribune reports that 29-year-old Skyler Whitebull, of Cannon Ball, was spotted by Bismarck police driving by the gas station. Authorities say Whitebull refused to put the nozzle back and took a “fighting stance” when an officer tried to stop him.

Court documents say the officer forced Whitebull to the ground. He allegedly continued to resist and flailed his legs even while handcuffed.

Police searched Whitebull and found several small, zippered bags with methamphetamine residue. He’s charged with misdemeanor meth possession and preventing arrest.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:35:40am

re: #300 A Mom Anon

Hi, Mom! Saw you yesterday here but you were already gone when I logged in. Glad to see you!

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Birth Control Works  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:36:01am

Some people I know are shocked *SHOCKED* at the Harvey Weinstein/Oliver Stone scandal.

I just look at them like “where the hell have you been?”

This behavior has been tolerated, it goes hand-in-hand with power and money.

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meteor  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:36:03am

Watford beat Arsenal 2-1. ZOMG wow!

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makeitstop  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:36:29am

re: #313 nines09

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Birth Control Works  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:37:30am

re: #316 Anymouse 🌹

Police save man from Darwin Award:

Man Arrested after Trying to Light Cigarette with Gas Pump Nozzle (goes to the Scottsbluff, NE Star-Herald)

How does one light a cigarette with a gas pump nozzle?

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wrenchwench  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:38:51am

More Western PA Lore:

Mr. w was actually born in Wheatland, PA. In a house, because of a snowstorm. Wheatland PA was last seen on TV with President George W. Bush strolling about the remains. It was hit by a tornado, shortly after they had passed an ordinance saying no new stuff could be built because of Historical Heritage. So when it blew away, that was it. I saw the foundation of the house Mr. w had been born in.

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Birth Control Works  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:38:56am

re: #312 makeitstop

There’s a possibility I hadn’t thought of. Could be.

If WW’s guess is correct, that would explain why she went.

Yes it does sound like she is one of the brainwashed xtian wives.

If your religion put’s you or your fetus at risk, you need to find a new religion and husband.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:39:09am

This New York Times article describes how President Pussygrabber seduced my home town with a lot of help from the Presstitutes in the media—including the liars at The Times!

mobile.nytimes.com

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Birth Control Works  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:40:16am

History channel is talking about Underground Bunkers.

I think it is the Whacko Channel.

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Birth Control Works  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:42:49am

re: #45 Eclectic Cyborg

I have a hard time believing Twitter is actually going do much.

Time will tell I guess.

Nothing will change until Rape is adjudicated on the same level as Murder.

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:45:13am

re: #321 Birth Control Works

How does one light a cigarette with a gas pump nozzle?

well, first you light the gas pump nozzle…

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Charmingly Persistent (EmmaAnne)  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:46:11am

re: #298 Birth Control Works

Honestly, the only protest that works is one that involves money.

If American’s refused to spend a dime for just one day —now that would make an impact.

May I suggest that instead of saying that any other way of protesting besides yours doesn’t count, you instead suggest that people also protest your way? Like my mom likes to sign petitions. I don’t say “don’t bother - politicians don’t pay any attention to petitions.” I say, “make sure you post on his Facebook page that you signed so he knows.” Because it’s discouraging when people on your own side tell you your efforts are pointless.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:46:38am

re: #293 wrenchwench

Thanks for reminding me of what I wanted to reply to. (Watch that participle dangle!)

[pleasant customer interruption.]

The point of a one day boycott is to show that a boycott can happen. It should be followed by a major buy-in the next day, to emphasize the smallness of the day before.

I try to remember to eat grapes because we boycotted them forever when I was a kid in California (in support of the United Farm Workers, who I follow on twitter—everything comes around to something.)

There have been one-day boycotts of Twitter before (Leslie Jones, &c). I predict no follow through, and Twitter knows that.

Folks who use Twitter aren’t willing to give it up, and seeing racism, death and rape threats, and such are the price of convenience.

I’ll believe it when I see an actual boycott (cancelling accounts, &c). Saying I won’t go to the store for one day in protest and going back the next is not a boycott. It’s not even a statement: They still get money.

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nines09  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:46:45am

re: #320 makeitstop

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Birth Control Works  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:47:49am

re: #328 Charmingly Persistent (EmmaAnne)

May I suggest that instead of saying that any other way of protesting besides yours doesn’t count, you instead suggest that people also protest your way? Like my mom likes to sign petitions. I don’t say “don’t bother - politicians don’t pay any attention to petitions.” I say, “make sure you post on his Facebook page that you signed so he knows.” Because it’s discouraging when people on your own side tell you your efforts are pointless.

yes!

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Birth Control Works  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:48:06am

re: #327 Single-handed sailor

well, first you light the gas pump nozzle…

Then you are dead.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:48:47am

re: #332 Birth Control Works

Then you are dead.

Hence they saved the guy from earning a Darwin Award, though he’s now in jail on meth charges.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:49:05am

re: #294 Birth Control Works

GRIFTUS and Co. are just happy that they can focus on Hollywood depravity and corruption and not have to deflect another “rent boy” scandal.

Weinstein is just a squishy piece of poo they can fling at the DNC and be sure that it will stick: a story like this involves Hollywood celebs and juicy scandals. Just the sort of things that audiences cannot get enough of.

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Charmingly Persistent (EmmaAnne)  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:49:50am

re: #329 Anymouse 🌹

There have been one-day boycotts of Twitter before (Leslie Jones, &c). I predict no follow through, and Twitter knows that.

Milo got banned from Twitter tho.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:49:58am

I’m going to bail out, you lucky devils. I need a nap. Either I am a toddler or getting old …

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Birth Control Works  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:52:19am

re: #336 Anymouse 🌹

I’m going to bail out, you lucky devils. I need a nap. Either I am a toddler or getting old …

me too, I have stuff to do.

bbl

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:53:35am
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Belafon  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:53:58am

re: #77 Anymouse 🌹

As a reminder:

Starting Veterans Day (Nov 11), all veterans who were honourably discharged from the military will have on-line Exchange shopping privileges. (In-store shopping privileges are still reserved for those who are retired, disabled, or other present categories.)

To shop in the Exchange on-line store, you must first be verified as an authorised shopper (an honourably discharged veteran), which takes some time.

As such, the Navy Exchange sent me an E-mail suggesting I forward information to all veterans I know:

The Website listed in the E-mail is the site the Exchange uses to verify your status. They note that being verified takes a bit of time, so those who would be eligible under the new rules should send in their information before Nov. 11 so it can be checked and ready for the first day of eligibility.

From my parents, this also gets veterans an ID you can use for official status as a veteran, instead if having to have your 214.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:54:05am

re: #335 Charmingly Persistent (EmmaAnne)

Milo got banned from Twitter tho.

Just How Offensive Did Milo Yiannopuolis Have to Be to Get Banned from Twitter? (goes to the Washington Post)

The ban came after Leslie Jones said “enough” about Milo’s trolls. Essentially, they banned Milo because he cost them money, not because they cared about their terms-of-service.

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wrenchwench  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:57:25am

re: #329 Anymouse 🌹

There have been one-day boycotts of Twitter before (Leslie Jones, &c). I predict no follow through, and Twitter knows that.

Folks who use Twitter aren’t willing to give it up, and seeing racism, death and rape threats, and such are the price of convenience.

I’ll believe it when I see an actual boycott (cancelling accounts, &c). Saying I won’t go to the store for one day in protest and going back the next is not a boycott. It’s not even a statement: They still get money.

I quit The Book of the Face. Deprivation of Clicks can kill. They track every possible statistic. Boycotts could become more powerful than ever. I know they are not like they used to be. I have been to the Museum of The Boycott (whatever they call it) in Greensboro, NC. It is a weapon of peace. It is worth believing in the possibilities.

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JordanRules  Oct 14, 2017 • 11:59:21am

re: #329 Anymouse 🌹

Twitter still benefits from the standard online metrics used for showing value. Your page views still count. You posting their content at other sites still counts. They and other social media tools find their added value and differentiation by saying to their monetizers, in addition to that regular web stuff, we can show you deeper engagement with account activity etc.

You’re walking around in the same store as everybody else enjoying some free samples and accounting for part of that days traffic.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 14, 2017 • 12:05:13pm

re: #301 wrenchwench

And I remember you saying that (although at times I may have thought it was one of those other PA lizards), and worrying about you like a former sort-of-neighbor when you had surgery. Are you all recovered from that? Things take so long, sometimes.

Thanks, all good. Replacement part still working fine. And good to read your progress over time with your unexpected medical situation.

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JordanRules  Oct 14, 2017 • 12:07:17pm
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jaunte  Oct 14, 2017 • 12:08:52pm
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ObserverArt  Oct 14, 2017 • 12:08:53pm

re: #341 wrenchwench

I quit The Book of the Face. Deprivation of Clicks can kill. They track every possible statistic. Boycotts could become more powerful than ever. I know they are not like they used to be. I have been to the Museum of The Boycott (whatever they call it) in Greensboro, NC. It is a weapon of peace. It is worth believing in the possibilities.

They have got to have the largest human database going. If they can go into the pages and do associations with topics, they can put statistics together in any way possible.

This is why they performed so well for the election of Trump. Someone knew to use those stats.

It has even been stated Facebook had people right there in the camps. Those were probably for Trump’s campaign use and legit, but some of the data could have been going on the back door to the Russians and whoever helped from the dirty side of things.

Clinton probably had some of the same from Facebook. They claim they offered the same tools to both campaigns.

It is going to be real interesting to watch how Twitter, Facebook, Google, YouTube and probably others were used and to what extent they knew it.

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mmmirele  Oct 14, 2017 • 12:09:38pm

re: #240 Nyet

Checked out how the old Scientology critic Arnie Lerma was doing. He’s in a full pro-Trump, “Israel created ISIS”, 9/11 truther mode.

Arnie did me a super favor once and I can forgive him quite a bit. Scientology had me served with a third-party subpoena to give a deposition and turn over my hard drive in the Dennis Erlich case. They had three beefy guys go out and serve me with the subpoena (way to overkill). I was panicking and Arnie said, “Did they give you a witness fee? Look through those papers, is there a check?” Nope. No check for a lousy $20. Arnie told me to zip my lips, say nothing, not discuss the subpoena with anyone until after the time for the deposition occurred. Because Scientology’s attorneys had not paid the witness fee, I was not required to show up. And I didn’t. I got calls from Scientology’s attorney, Helena Kobrin, to confirm I was going to show up. I didn’t return the calls. She came to Salt Lake City to take my deposition but I went to work as usual.

Nothing happened. Scientology fucked up and there was not a damned thing they could do about it. After the silence, I was terribly, terribly amused. But it was Arnie Lerma telling me to STFU that allowed me to have that time of amusement.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2017 • 12:10:06pm

re: #345 jaunte

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Oh? But Kathy Griffin.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 14, 2017 • 12:11:35pm

re: #344 JordanRules

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I don’t blame her. Trump and Weinstein are both pigs.

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wrenchwench  Oct 14, 2017 • 12:15:21pm

re: #345 jaunte

re: #346 ObserverArt

re: #347 mmmirele

re: #348 HappyWarrior

Y’all got CLd good!

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DanielKi  Oct 14, 2017 • 12:42:25pm

re: #300 A Mom Anon

I saw this earlier today. Heartbreaking and angering. I do not get why the husband in this case wanted to do this trip.

From the text, apparently to play the hero and somehow help in a remote area “where even NGOs could not get into”. I’m sure the locals were just crazy for some Western randos to “help” them. Completely on their own. With a pregnant wife in tow.

And there’s this gem: “Boyle was previously married to the sister of Omar Khadr, once the youngest detainee at the U.S. military detention center at Guantanamo Bay after he pleaded guilty to killing a U.S. Special Forces medic.”

It does look like the guy was already seriously disturbed before he went on that trip.

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danarchy  Oct 14, 2017 • 2:29:26pm

re: #250 HappyWarrior

Serial killers are different than mass killers.

And also not disproportionately white.

psychologytoday.com

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Alephnaught  Oct 14, 2017 • 5:52:33pm

re: #266 DanielKi

Off topic, but I just have to share this shiny little gem with my fellow politics-obsessed:

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Britain does not have a constitution. This person is confusing “constitution” with “personal opinion”.


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