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Dave In Austin  Oct 15, 2017 • 9:29:14pm
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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Oct 15, 2017 • 9:57:19pm

Finland has a LOT of experience with Russian propaganda, subversion and dis-information, dating back to its independence from Russia and subsequent civil war in 1918. The local Bolsheviks were defeated and Finland remained independent.

In 1939, when the Soviets and Nazis were still de facto allies, the Soviets attacked Finland as part of a general land grab that had seen the earlier invasion of Poland in alliance with Hitler, and the later annexation of the Baltic republics. The Finns put up a hell of a fight but eventually ended up making the concessions. They retained their independence though.

During World War II, Finland joined the Nazis in attacking the Soviet Union, in an effort to recover the previous losses. In retrospect, this was a bad decision, and they lost again. Once again, though, they retained their independence and avoided Soviet occupation. They were forced to pay massive reparations, and make many concessions to the Soviet Union, including playing host to various Russian propaganda operations. During the Cold War, Finland had to thread the line between the eastern and western blocs. It is no surprise then that they would be very skeptical of, and alert for, Russian machinations. They have been inoculated against it. Indeed, this resistance is a key definition of their national independence.

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teleskiguy  Oct 15, 2017 • 10:00:05pm
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teleskiguy  Oct 15, 2017 • 10:16:32pm

Iframe

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LastYearsMan  Oct 15, 2017 • 10:27:05pm

re: #3 teleskiguy

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And what happens when the Sun King decides to start exerting absolute rights (by abrogating deals, cancelling debts or the like)? Surprise! Lenders start to raise their borrowing rates. Everything gets more expensive for the king as people begin factoring in the douchebag tax. So in the long run, the realm ends up poorer and weaker, and all that “winning” just creates a lot of losing.

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JordanRules  Oct 15, 2017 • 10:32:16pm
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Cheechako  Oct 15, 2017 • 10:33:04pm

re: #3 teleskiguy

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I think this article is the best description of trump yet. He never wants to be or have the ability to be seen as a loser in any part of his life. I’ve noticed the hundreds of twitter replies that have been sent to trump and posted here. Unless trump has an incoming twitter reviewer who cleans up the incoming posts, none of the replies see to ruffle his feathers.

Except, he does make angry replies to posts which describes him as a “loser”. He can not stand to be called a “loser”. This word is his Achilles heel. Everyone who sends twitter messages to him should always include the term “loser”.

One other comment. If trump doesn’t like the New York Times, why doesn’t he cancel his subscription like any other customer would do?

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Targetpractice  Oct 15, 2017 • 10:38:42pm

re: #1 Dave In Austin

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Here’s the big thing about Weinstein and his accusers: Most of them stand to actually benefit from this because they’re celebrities or aspiring celebrities and being seen as the victims of Harvey Weinstein will boost their public image. While Hollywood as a whole is getting negative press for “turning a blind eye” to Weinstein’s actions, his accusers are being seen as victims in all this and will face no serious calls for legal action against them or public derision for coming forward. You look around the wingnut-sphere and there’s no Jim Dims or Chuck Johnsons accusing these women of being liars interested in a payday.

That is the very big difference in the way that Weinstein’s actions are being handled compared to Trump’s. To come forward in the latter case is to open yourself to action, derision, and harassment for absolutely no benefit. They’re never going to see Trump in the docket, charged with sexual misconduct or worse. They’re never going to see a check cut by him for their pain and suffering. Major news networks are not beating down their door to get “exclusives” or book publishers wanting to hear “their stories.” And when they bring the public’s attention to the hatred and vitriol aimed at them, the response is not sympathy but “What did you expect?”

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sagehen  Oct 15, 2017 • 10:43:28pm

Here’s video of Courtney Love in 2005, in a red carpet interview, when asked if she has any advice for young women trying for a Hollywood career: “if Harvey Weinstein invites you to a private party in his hotel room, don’t go.”

people.com

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teleskiguy  Oct 15, 2017 • 10:49:45pm

re: #9 sagehen

Iframe

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Targetpractice  Oct 15, 2017 • 11:00:38pm

I’ll make it simple for Trump’s fans: I’ll believe your sincerity about being “morally outraged” when you demand the same justice for Trump’s victims as you do for Weinstein’s. Until then, take this “But Hillary…” shit elsewhere.

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JordanRules  Oct 15, 2017 • 11:03:37pm

re: #8 Targetpractice

Plenty of folks in H’wood face the same repercussions that folks in general pop do. Plenty. There are female A-listers that exist in rarified air but not all of them will always breathe that and they are acutely aware of such. Other than that, this is another industry exposed to the same power dynamics and such that every other sphere of life is.

That’s part of what makes this so insidious. Hwood’s Jim Dims created some nice add-ons for their benefit. They are still playing within the same OS. They already hit the accusers with the silencers, established some really strong power precedents and their guy wasn’t running for President.

Women don’t benefit from this.

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Targetpractice  Oct 15, 2017 • 11:05:40pm

re: #12 JordanRules

Plenty of folks in H’wood face the same repercussions that folks in general pop do. Plenty. Their are female A-listers that exist in rarified air but not all of them will always breathe that and they are acutely aware of such. Other than that, this is another industry exposed to the same power dynamics and such that every other sphere of life is.

That’s part of what makes this so insidious. Hwood’s Jim Dims created some nice add-ons for their benefit. They are still playing within the same OS. They already hit the accusers with the silencers, established some really strong power precedents and their guy wasn’t running for President.

Women don’t benefit from this.

True enough.

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Kragar  Oct 15, 2017 • 11:27:07pm

Watching Mindhunters on Netflix. That is some damn fine TV right there

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Targetpractice  Oct 15, 2017 • 11:28:57pm

Just watched the latest episode of Star Trek: Discovery this morning. And overall, I’m willing to wait and see where this whole storyline goes before passing total judgment. There’s a lot in the series that makes me want to hurt some CBS execs in very painful and personal ways, but there’s enough nuggets of potential to continue the “wait and see” game.

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teleskiguy  Oct 15, 2017 • 11:44:44pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 15, 2017 • 11:51:32pm

re: #15 Targetpractice

Just watched the latest episode of Star Trek: Discovery this morning. And overall, I’m willing to wait and see where this whole storyline goes before passing total judgment. There’s a lot in the series that makes me want to hurt some CBS execs in very painful and personal ways, but there’s enough nuggets of potential to continue the “wait and see” game.

I am waiting for today’s episode but am generally underwhelmed by what I have seen so far…

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Targetpractice  Oct 15, 2017 • 11:59:16pm

re: #17 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I am waiting for today’s episode but am generally underwhelmed by what I have seen so far…

Like I said, there’s enough there for me not to stop watching in disgust, but overall I find the series rather underwhelming as well. For one thing, no matter how much they insist otherwise, it’s a reboot of the franchise. There’s no way to reconcile it otherwise.

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teleskiguy  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:03:52am
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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:17:10am

Way off-topic:

I have a question for people who understand software.

I use Microsoft Office Professional 2007. According to Microsoft, they will end support for Office this year. As such, they are promoting moving to Office 360.

Reading what they have to say about it, I am unclear if this new software requires an Internet connexion in a First World country to use it (the main program being stored with Microsoft and not on my own computer) or no.

As best as I can tell, you don’t get any security or any other updates with Outlook 2016 - you have to buy it again if you want updates.

The help file is singularly unhelpful (that is, it was written by a software engineer and not a software user).

Does this mean I should now look for a different company’s software because Microsoft doesn’t want to deal with rural customers any more, or did I misunderstand what they’re doing here?

Plus they want $400 for that one-time no update purchase. That is so far out of my budget I can never work that in.

Although Trump gets derided a lot for “economically-anxious rural voters” the fact remains a lot of us really are, still struggling with Third World infrastructure and exorbitant costs to provide things like FOOD to wealthy portions of the nation. (During the campaign season here there was a lot of local grumbling suggesting farmers and ranchers stop selling food - the idea being we can eat cattle but coastal cities and states can’t eat asphalt and glass). /rant off

Anyway, if someone can tell me if I need something like a continuous Internet connexion or different software I would appreciate it.
support.office.com

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freetoken  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:24:35am

re: #20 Anymouse 🌹

Don’t know. However, I do subscribe to Microsoft’s plan, which also gives me downloads of software for the Mac. My license though is according to the subscription, so if I stop subscribing then the license expires, but if I start again the license is good.

I think. It’s all very complicated. But I do have software like Word and Excel downloaded to my Mac as executables, as well as being able to use the online web-based equivalent.

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TedStriker  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:27:37am

re: #20 Anymouse 🌹

Way off-topic:

I have a question for people who understand software.

I use Microsoft Office Professional 2007. According to Microsoft, they will end support for Office this year. As such, they are promoting moving to Office 360.

Reading what they have to say about it, I am unclear if this new software requires an Internet connexion in a First World country to use it (the main program being stored with Microsoft and not on my own computer) or no.

As best as I can tell, you don’t get any security or any other updates with Outlook 2016 - you have to buy it again if you want updates.

The help file is singularly unhelpful (that is, it was written by a software engineer and not a software user).

Does this mean I should now look for a different company’s software because Microsoft doesn’t want to deal with rural customers any more, or did I misunderstand what they’re doing here?

Plus they want $400 for that one-time no update purchase. That is so far out of my budget I can never work that in.

Although Trump gets derided a lot for “economically-anxious rural voters” the fact remains a lot of us really are, still struggling with Third World infrastructure and exorbitant costs to provide things like FOOD to wealthy portions of the nation. (During the campaign season here there was a lot of local grumbling suggesting farmers and ranchers stop selling food - the idea being we can eat cattle but coastal cities and states can’t eat asphalt and glass). /rant off

Anyway, if someone can tell me if I need something like a continuous Internet connexion or different software I would appreciate it.
support.office.com

I’ve been running Office 365 for a couple of years now; it’s just like any other version of Office, in that it is installed locally on your computer (though you also get a 1 TB subscription for OneDrive as well, to save documents and other stuff to the cloud). One of the big points with Office 365 is that it’s always kept up-to-date with new versions and security updates, just like Windows 10.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:28:46am

re: #20 Anymouse 🌹

Office 2016 appears to be a normal office suite, although you have to download it.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:29:04am

re: #21 freetoken

Don’t know. However, I do subscribe to Microsoft’s plan, which also gives me downloads of software for the Mac. My license though is according to the subscription, so if I stop subscribing then the license expires, but if I start again the license is good.

I think. It’s all very complicated. But I do have software like Word and Excel downloaded to my Mac as executables, as well as being able to use the online web-based equivalent.

OK I just went to Microsoft’s expert chat page. They want $5 to answer that question.

I think I will be looking for different software … in the meantime I will be stuck using increasingly-unsecure software. Requiring an Internet connexion to access something like Word or Outlook is an absolute non-starter living here.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:33:01am

re: #23 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Office 2016 appears to be a normal office suite, although you have to download it.

If I read the page correctly, they never update it. To get updates, you have to spend $400 again for the latest version.

re: #22 TedStriker

One of the big points with Office 365 is that it’s always kept up-to-date with new versions and security updates, just like Windows 10.

In other words, they charge (every month I guess) for the privilege of fixing their mistakes - which they always did for free with previous versions of Office.

I think that just answered my question and I can save the five bucks. I will be looking elsewhere.

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:33:40am

re: #20 Anymouse 🌹

Way off-topic:

I have a question for people who understand software.

I use Microsoft Office Professional 2007. According to Microsoft, they will end support for Office this year. As such, they are promoting moving to Office 360.

Fuck Microsoft office. Libre Office uber alles. Open source rocks.

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TedStriker  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:34:40am

re: #24 Anymouse 🌹

OK I just went to Microsoft’s expert chat page. They want $5 to answer that question.

I think I will be looking for different software … in the meantime I will be stuck using increasingly-unsecure software. Requiring an Internet connexion to access something like Word or Outlook is an absolute non-starter living here.

You DO NOT have to have an always-on Internet connection to access Office 365 desktop apps, other than to keep it updated and for it to verify your subscription status every so often; the Office 365 online apps (Word Online, Excel Online, etc.) DO live out on the Internet, but if Office 365 is installed to your local machine, you don’t need the online apps.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:38:41am

re: #26 Single-handed sailor

Fuck Microsoft office. Libre Office uber alles. Open source rocks.

No E-mail client, the part of Office I use most (followed by Word). I suppose I could use Thunderbird from Mozilla for that, but that kind of complicates integration of my software.

Moreover, I suspect my publisher will move away from Office 2007 Professional to 360 or 2016 with end-of-support for Office 2007. That effectively ends my editing job as well.

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TedStriker  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:39:06am

re: #26 Single-handed sailor

Fuck Microsoft office. Libre Office uber alles. Open source rocks.

I’m sorry, but as someone who has worked with MS Office at work and at home for years and who has dabbled with StarOffice and LibreOffice over the years (primarily to install for friends and family who couldn’t or didn’t want to pony up for MS Office), LibreOffice has been not-quite-MS-Office-but-barely-good-enough IMO.

I still don’t care for it myself after all these years, though the LibreOffice folks have been working on improvements.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:40:34am

re: #27 TedStriker

You DO NOT have to have an always-on Internet connection to access Office 365 desktop apps, other than to keep it updated and for it to verify your subscription status every so often; the Office 365 online apps (Word Online, Excel Online, etc.) DO live out on the Internet, but if Office 365 is installed to your local machine, you don’t need the online apps.

Hmm. That is not clear in their help file (again, written by software engineers rather than software users). I sure ain’t gonna pay them five bucks to ask a question.

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:43:05am

re: #28 Anymouse 🌹

you can probably find a good open source email client at SourceForge.

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TedStriker  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:43:10am

re: #30 Anymouse 🌹

Hmm. That is not clear in their help file (again, written by software engineers rather than software users). I sure ain’t gonna pay them five bucks to ask a question.

The basic Office 365 home sub is about $9.99+tax a month (or $99+tax/year); you can install it on up to 5 PCs/Macs and it’s always kept updated. If you just need it for 1 PC/Mac, it’s 6.99+tax/month or $69.99+tax/year.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:43:38am

Office 2016 is supported until 2020, which would be good enough for me if I were in the market.

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TedStriker  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:44:27am

re: #32 TedStriker

The basic Office 365 home sub is about $9.99+tax a month (or $99+tax/year); you can install it on up to 5 PCs/Macs and it’s always kept updated. If you just need it for 1 PC/Mac, it’s 6.99+tax/month or $69.99+tax/year.

products.office.com

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:48:42am

re: #29 TedStriker

I’m sorry, but as someone who has worked with Office at work and at home for years and who has dabbled with StarOffice and LibreOffice over the years (primarily to install for friends and family who couldn’t or didn’t want to pony up for MS Office), LibreOffice has been not-quite-MS-Office-but-barely-good-enough IMO.

I still don’t care for it myself.

I never really worked in an “office” so I have no use for anything more than Libre Office.

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TedStriker  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:48:43am

re: #32 TedStriker

The basic Office 365 home sub is about $9.99+tax a month (or $99+tax/year); you can install it on up to 5 PCs/Macs and it’s always kept updated. If you just need it for 1 PC/Mac, it’s 6.99+tax/month or $69.99+tax/year.

re: #34 TedStriker

products.office.com

Also, for those of us whose employers have an Enterprise Agreement and/or Home Use Program access with MS, you may be able to install and use Office 365 for free at home; my employer does, so I haven’t had to pay for an Office 365 sub in over a year.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:55:56am

re: #35 Single-handed sailor

re: #34 TedStriker

re: #33 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Well, I’ll speak with my wife about this (she is the CFO and IT guru of Chez Tumbleweed) to see what she thinks about this.

In the meantime: Shameless Page Promotion

From Trevelyan to Trump, How Prejudice Stemmed Relief in Ireland and Puerto Rico: Different Country, Same Bigotry (goes to the right-hand column of Little Green Footballs)

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TedStriker  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:56:05am

re: #35 Single-handed sailor

I never really worked in an “office” so I have no use for anything more than Libre Office.

To each their own, I suppose, but I’ve always found LibreOffice a bit too clunky and kludgy for my tastes, though they have been improving over the past few years. However, you can’t beat free, especially when you’re installing it for someone else ;-P

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 16, 2017 • 1:00:13am

re: #37 Anymouse 🌹

Well, I’ll speak with my wife about this (she is the CFO and IT guru of Chez Tumbleweed) to see what she thinks about this.

In the meantime: Shameless Page Promotion

From Trevelyan to Trump, How Prejudice Stemmed Relief in Ireland and Puerto Rico: Different Country, Same Bigotry (goes to the right-hand column of Little Green Footballs)

Puerto Rico’s debt problem is a separate issue. The main priority is to get things running again. Discussing debt, budget and infrastructure is just distraction for his lack of response.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Oct 16, 2017 • 1:04:13am

Well, it’s getting on to my bedtime in the balmy mid-Pacific, so I’ll say goodnight. Back later if I have a connection (we’re warned that this area is chancy).

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 16, 2017 • 1:04:38am

re: #39 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Puerto Rico’s debt problem is a separate issue. The main priority is to get things running again. Discussing debt, budget and infrastructure is just distraction for his lack of response.

They are different. Trump (and much of the GOP) doesn’t care about Puerto Ricans or the Virgin Islands (the only US territory/state that is majority African-American). They care about genocide.

Hence the article at Irish Central, which compares the two disasters. The British governor during the time of the Potato Famine justified shipping produce out of Ireland and starving the people in the name of free trade (sound familiar), and Divine Providence (God committing Genocide on behalf of the UK).

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 16, 2017 • 1:06:49am

re: #40 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Well, it’s getting on to my bedtime in the balmy mid-Pacific, so I’ll say goodnight. Back later if I have a connection (we’re warned that this area is chancy).

It’s a balmy 37 here, expected to go below freezing.

My wife is strongly considering that farm raffle now in Alaska (primarily because that area of Alaska is warmer than the Nebraska Panhandle in the winter). I joked that snowbirds usually go to places like Florida or Arizona for the winter, but we could go to Nebraska (if we won that little farm and kept our house here).

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 16, 2017 • 1:13:57am

re: #38 TedStriker

To each their own, I suppose, but I’ve always found LibreOffice a bit too clunky and kludgy for my tastes, though they have been improving over the past few years. However, you can’t beat free, especially when you’re installing it for someone else ;-P

I spent my career trying to keep computers working. I hated to actually use them for work, they are only recreational for me. It helped keep me somewhat sane.

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sagehen  Oct 16, 2017 • 1:49:14am

re: #41 Anymouse 🌹

They are different. Trump (and much of the GOP) doesn’t care about Puerto Ricans or the Virgin Islands (the only US territory/state that is majority African-American). They care about genocide.

Hence the article at Irish Central, which compares the two disasters. The British governor during the time of the Potato Famine justified shipping produce out of Ireland and starving the people in the name of free trade (sound familiar), and Divine Providence (God committing Genocide on behalf of the UK).

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Dave In Austin  Oct 16, 2017 • 1:56:01am

re: #30 Anymouse 🌹

What he sez is true nothing really changes….. I’ve been using 365 on my DT Mac and Windows laptop. No issues. You just pay a yearly subscription with is not that bad.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 16, 2017 • 2:01:26am

re: #45 Dave In Austin

What he sez is true nothing really changes….. I’ve been using 365 on my DT Mac and Windows laptop. No issues. You just pay a yearly subscription with is not that bad.

So they’re charging to fix their problems when before software updates to fix their broken software was free.

It has always puzzled me why a software company can sell a product with known defects. Now they can do it and charge you to fix them.

So I can store 360 on my home computer? Can I also port over my stored E-mail files to the new system? (Since I use it for county government work I am required to keep copies of them.)

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 16, 2017 • 2:10:17am

That would be 365, not 360. Maybe I should put my bifocals on.

microsoft.com

As best as I can tell from their download site, Office’s programs (I hate the term app) can be downloaded to my computer and used off-line provided I have sufficient RAM and storage space (I do).

The other problem is no credit card. When I purchased Office 2007, I bought it in a real store and paid with real money. Credit cards do not exist here (no bank issues them and no store takes them except Wells-Fargo, and I ain’t opening ten thousand checking accounts there). In addition, I would not be interested in “auto-renewal” which appears to be the only way to purchase 365.

Looks like I need to hit the computer shop in Scottsbluff when I take in the next village water sample to the lab, to find out if they have any suggestions.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 16, 2017 • 2:19:53am

365, You can store your docs where ever you want.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 16, 2017 • 2:29:07am

re: #48 Dave In Austin

365, You can store your docs where ever you want.

No credit card. Requires living in a place that doesn’t produce food for the nation.

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wheat-dogg  Oct 16, 2017 • 2:36:22am

re: #47 Anymouse 🌹

FWIW, LibreOffice saves and opens all Office files with no problem. Unless there is some special Office function that only an official M$oft product offers, LibreOffice should be fine for your needs. I say this as a LibreOffice user in an academic setting.

As for your credit card issue, if your credit rating is OK, you can get a card online from most any bank. The bank does not have to be in your town or even your state. You can also pick up one of those pay-as-you-go Visa or Mastercard debit cards, load it up with whatever funds you need for the Office 365, and bob’s your uncle. Those kind of debit cards are sold near the gift cards in a lot of stores.

Go to creditkarma.com. It’s free (but there are ads) and supply the necessary info. It will suggest credit cards you can apply for. If you don’t want credit cards, then get one of those debit cards at the store.

But I wonder, how do you use an ATM? Most bank ATM cards are Visa or Mastercard debit cards.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 16, 2017 • 2:37:26am

re: #49 Anymouse 🌹

No credit card. Requires living in a place that doesn’t produce food for the nation.

Not a problem. Your local BestBuy whereever that may be can sell you a coupon that you use for the initial download.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 16, 2017 • 2:44:06am

re: #50 wheat-dogg

But I wonder, how do you use an ATM? Most bank ATM cards are Visa or Mastercard debit cards.

One of my banks (Platte Valley) issues an ATM card (not a debit card). They also permit me to use the ATM card anywhere in the world and do not charge me the fee banks usually apply for an alien bank (thus I could get money in Canada and my bank didn’t charge me anything other than the foreign currency exchange fee).

My other bank (Lisco State Bank) does not use cards at all.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 16, 2017 • 2:44:31am

re: #51 Dave In Austin

Not a problem. Your local BestBuy whereever that may be can sell you a coupon that you use for the initial download.

Local Best Buy is over two hundred miles away.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 16, 2017 • 2:46:45am

re: #53 Anymouse 🌹

Or computer retailer…….. Nothing in Scottsbluff?

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 16, 2017 • 2:49:57am

re: #54 Dave In Austin

Or computer retailer…….. Nothing in Scottsbluff?

There is one shop. I am going into town Tuesday, so I will check with them and ask how all this works (that is also the shop my computer came from, a gift from my wife after my Compaq ralphed - she also got to apply an employee discount from HP for being a retired employee of Digital Equipment Corporation).

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freetoken  Oct 16, 2017 • 2:56:35am

re: #24 Anymouse 🌹

Note that with Office 365 I also get 1TB cloud storage, I think. I have used that on occasion. The Mac software is automatically updated with the latest version.

As a Mac user I figured I need Office 365 because it seems most any spreadsheet is an Excel spreadsheet. I have used Apple’s own Numbers, when it first came out, and while it is neat in some ways (like the original Pages), it didn’t handle the super-size spreadsheets that Excel can.

And while Word is as cumbersome as ever (compared to the Mac software), it too has capabilities that are hard to find in Apple products.

Open Office software works fine, but there are minor compatibility issues.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 16, 2017 • 2:57:18am
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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 16, 2017 • 3:02:12am

re: #56 freetoken

Thanks to everyone who weighed in on my little problem here.

I will consult with my wife and the computer shop in Scottsbluff to arrive at the best solution (they know a hell of a lot about computers than I do).

An interesting aside (as I commented above on software companies being able to sell defective products and then charge you for the fix):

Some months ago I received a letter from Royal Typewriter Company. They asked in the letter if I still owned my 1914 Royal typewriter as there was a defect that allows the glass windows to break, potentially injuring the owner. The fix was a kit which had replacement clamps for the windows in the typewriter.

That is for a 107 year-old typewriter. I ordered the free upgrade kit for my typewriter.

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freetoken  Oct 16, 2017 • 3:02:59am

I buy so little software anymore that the single-station Microsoft subscription seems like rather small compared to what I used to spend.

Many many moons ago, when I owned the original Amiga and PCs (though at work I used a Mac), I’d spend a whole lot more on software.

These days, an individual can get buy being totally software empowered with spending almost nothing on software.

Instead, our contemporary economy appears to have shifted the costing towards the networking. With Cox taking $75/mo from me just for internet (no TV packages), TMobile charging me monthly for phone, etc., that is where the money now goes.

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freetoken  Oct 16, 2017 • 3:05:53am

re: #58 Anymouse 🌹

An interesting aside (as I commented above on software companies being able to sell defective products and then charge you for the fix)…

Here I’ll note that the subscription model is closer to the original envisioning of a computer society.

Back in the old days of mainframes, one paid IBM or SperryUnivac or whoever on a regular basis for support.

With the arrival of Apple, PCs, and such, the idea of stand alone computers with one-time-bought software became normal.

But now with the return of the network version of the computerized society, we’ve returned to the old days of a few mega-corps doing all the work and the users not being so stand-alone but dependent upon central services.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 16, 2017 • 3:08:03am

re: #59 freetoken

I buy so little software anymore that the single-station Microsoft subscription seems like rather small compared to what I used to spend.

Many many moons ago, when I owned the original Amiga and PCs (though at work I used a Mac), I’d spend a whole lot more on software.

These days, an individual can get buy being totally software empowered with spending almost nothing on software.

Instead, our contemporary economy appears to have shifted the costing towards the networking. With Cox taking $75/mo from me just for internet (no TV packages), TMobile charging me monthly for phone, etc., that is where the money now goes.

That appears to be so. Rope people into monthly subscriptions. I don’t have to worry about cable service since it isn’t available here, though your Internet service is about 30% cheaper than mine through my telephone company.

Rumour in town is that the fibre-optic line that runs through town but we cannot use is going to be used as an experiment in providing high-speed (real First World) Internet service. The rumour around town goes that we will be provided access to that line. (I’m betting whoever owns that fibre line is going to charge a fuktonne more for Internet service than the $100+ I already pay for my ADSL that is down almost as much as it is up).

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freetoken  Oct 16, 2017 • 3:12:14am

Note with the iCloud services now, Apple too has essentially a subscription service.

Now iCloud is included with any Apple product, but if one wants more than a nominal cloud storage space then one has to pay.

I have used the online version of Pages to handle a really large custom-paper size PDF.

Between Google, Microsoft, and Apple, there are now “office’ software products online, in “the cloud”, that can handle 99% of most people’s needs. Only real power users are going to need to pay a lot of money for desktop software.

I guess this is what IBM first envisioned way, way back. But they are not the provider of choice, though they are involved in a lot of back-end stuff that end users never see.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 16, 2017 • 3:15:41am

This Cuphead game looks like the bees knees.

Cuphead E3 2017 Trailer (1080p)

You know how a joke can start funny, get annoying, then become funny again through sheer attrition? That’s Cuphead’s approach to enjoyment. With a beautiful, caustic, near-unceasing stream of boss battles, Studio MDHR’s debut made me scream with joy and horror by turn, but I settled on joy by the end.

The most obvious point to begin with is that Cuphead looks astonishing. Its 1930s animation style - all watercolour backgrounds and surreal, juddering, hand-drawn characters - pay peerless homage to Max Fleischer and his ilk, and are perfectly implemented. Somehow it manages to balance dozens of moving elements and a slight rear-projection blur without ever feeling unreadable in even the most frantic moments. There has never been a game that looks like this and there may never be again. Every scene is a masterwork - it’s a near-unbelievable achievement for an art style.

The sound work is an ideal match: a huge jumble of high-tempo ragtime, swing, big band, and jazz (the list of musicians is almost as long as the rest of the credits combined) pummels away wonderfully in the background of every fight. It makes Cuphead feel truly out of time, and its bizarre mix of ’30s aesthetics and ’80s design more heady than ever. I also feel duty-bound to point out that the way Porkrind the shopkeeper bellows “welcome” made me laugh every single time I heard it.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 16, 2017 • 3:30:29am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 16, 2017 • 3:37:13am

re: #64 Dave In Austin

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Weaselone  Oct 16, 2017 • 4:33:20am

re: #49 Anymouse 🌹

No credit card. Requires living in a place that doesn’t produce food for the nation.

I generally think of Nebraska as the place that produces food for the food that I eat. Most of my fresh produce is either produced locally or shipped in from California, Mexico, Florida or other places in Central America. We don’t eat beef and I don’t believe the pork, chicken, fish and eggs we consume is produced in Nebraska, but some fraction of the feed stock is probably grown their.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 16, 2017 • 4:42:46am

re: #62 freetoken

Between Google, Microsoft, and Apple, there are now “office’ software products online, in “the cloud”, that can handle 99% of most people’s needs. Only real power users are going to need to pay a lot of money for desktop software.

99% of the people in the USA do not have access to the Internet. A significant percentage do not have regular access (cough cough me). Needing software on my computer does not make me a “power user.” It makes me a person who needs access to the software I paid for when I cannot access the Internet (which my telephone company charges me for even when I don’t have access).

My wife is awake now, and suggests we should talk the computer shop in Scottsbluff (she is concerned that if Internet access is required to use the software, the company is essentially saying FU to rural people).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 16, 2017 • 4:46:10am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 16, 2017 • 4:47:00am
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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 16, 2017 • 4:48:45am

re: #66 Weaselone

I generally think of Nebraska as the place that produces food for the food that I eat. Most of my fresh produce is either produced locally or shipped in from California, Mexico, Florida or other places in Central America. We don’t eat beef and I don’t believe the pork, chicken, fish and eggs we consume is produced in Nebraska, but some fraction of the feed stock is probably grown their.

We of course don’t just produce beef. I presume you like bread.

Perhaps you don’t eat beef produced here (aside from the fact the state is the #2 producer of beef).

beefusa.org

Nebraska is the fifth largest state for hay production, much of which is exported to states that raise livestock.

statista.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 16, 2017 • 4:54:29am
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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 16, 2017 • 4:55:04am

I’m going to hit the rack now. The sun will be up soon /vampire.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 16, 2017 • 5:00:28am

Looks like “Little Rocket Man” has made up his own nickname for DJT.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 16, 2017 • 5:04:52am

re: #73 The Vicious Babushka

They’re not wrong. It’s not propaganda if it’s true.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 16, 2017 • 5:07:25am

re: #73 The Vicious Babushka

Propaganda fliers presumed to be North Korean, calling U.S. President Donald Trump a “mad dog”, turn up in Seoul:

so much negative coverage. let’s hope they lose their license

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Weaselone  Oct 16, 2017 • 5:11:28am

re: #70 Anymouse 🌹

Hence my comment “The state produces food for the food I eat.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 16, 2017 • 5:14:54am

One thing I like about Europe is that they still have the concept of local produce. Naturally, there are still lots of imports, and some sick EU subsidies and regulations that lead to German pigs being shipped to Italy to be made into hams that are re-imported, but still, a lot of what we eat was grown within a few hundred miles of where I live.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 16, 2017 • 5:22:48am

he’s awake, watching tv, and ranting.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 16, 2017 • 5:23:56am
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Belafon  Oct 16, 2017 • 5:24:06am

re: #63 Amory Blaine

My youngest can’t wait.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 16, 2017 • 5:27:00am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 16, 2017 • 5:27:17am

thread

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 16, 2017 • 5:29:10am

re: #78 Backwoods_Sleuth

The Democrats only want to increase taxes and obstruct. That’s all they are good at!

they can still sell the message of “tax-and-spend Democrats” successfully

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Belafon  Oct 16, 2017 • 5:32:15am

re: #83 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“Charge and spend” Republicans should catch on as well.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 16, 2017 • 5:33:39am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 16, 2017 • 5:34:44am

re: #83 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

they can still sell the message of “tax-and-spend Democrats” successfully

Time and time again, I sent e-mails to the DNC asking why they will not attack “Borrow and Spend” or “Red Ink” Republicans. CENSOREDS me off that they won’t try that line of attack!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 16, 2017 • 5:36:27am

re: #85 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yes, FART Laffer the architect of Red Ink Ronnie’s deficits. The man whose disciple Brownback drove Kansas into the ground…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 16, 2017 • 5:38:34am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 16, 2017 • 5:40:25am
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jeffreyw  Oct 16, 2017 • 5:41:30am

Imgur


Good morning!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 16, 2017 • 5:47:31am

sigh……..

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 16, 2017 • 5:51:42am

re: #91 Backwoods_Sleuth

Lawmaker wants statewide Day of Prayer in Ky schools.

Five times a day, every day, facing Mecca?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 16, 2017 • 5:53:31am

re: #92 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Five times a day, every day, facing Mecca?

Oh no! Radical KKKristians want the kids to pray facing Jerusalem!

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 16, 2017 • 5:56:55am
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Sir John Barron  Oct 16, 2017 • 5:59:54am

re: #92 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Five times a day, every day, facing Mecca?

No, that would be Sharia.

//

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 16, 2017 • 6:01:45am
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scottslemmons  Oct 16, 2017 • 6:06:54am

re: #63 Amory Blaine

This Cuphead game looks like the bees knees.

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I’ll absolutely never get Cuphead, because that’s the kind of game I’m never any good at — and I’ve heard it’s incredibly, spectacularly difficult, too. But holy bazoli, I love watching videos of it. It’s so thoroughly beautiful.

Cuphead E3 2015 Trailer for Xbox One

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 16, 2017 • 6:20:13am
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Sir John Barron  Oct 16, 2017 • 6:20:18am

From downstairs, on Orange Flamewad expecting to appoint 4 SCJ:

Ok,” one source told Trump, “so that’s two. Who are the others?”

“Ginsburg,” Trump replied. “What does she weigh? 60 pounds?”

“Who’s the fourth?” the source asked.

“Sotomayor,” Trump said, referring to the relatively recently-appointed Obama justice, whose name is rarely, if ever, mentioned in speculation about the next justice to be replaced.

“Her health,” Trump explained. “No good. Diabetes.”

Trump knows who Sotomayor is? Half sarc

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 16, 2017 • 6:21:21am

re: #44 sagehen

I still recall this from a couple of years back…….I forgot where it was, but there was a Puerto Rican fella who was keeping three women as sex slaves in his house (it was a big story, as the girls had disappeared a few years earlier and were never found until one of them successfully escaped). I wandered over to Freeperville and a few of the posters were screaming nonsense about “illegal aliens!!” - fortunately, they were quickly reminded by a few other posters that Puerto Ricans are, in fact, US citizens…..a fact which a good many Freepers found genuinely shocking.

I wouldn’t be surprised one little bit if a lot of Trump’s base regard Puerto Ricans as non-Americans.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 16, 2017 • 6:23:55am
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Dr Lizardo  Oct 16, 2017 • 6:25:37am

re: #94 The Vicious Babushka

It helps to think that Christianity is the creation of 1) Saul of Tarsus and 2) the pagan Mediterranean world.

But Judeo-Christianity? There’s really no such thing. Two distinctly different - and divergent - religions.

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MsJ  Oct 16, 2017 • 6:31:06am

re: #15 Targetpractice

Just watched the latest episode of Star Trek: Discovery this morning. And overall, I’m willing to wait and see where this whole storyline goes before passing total judgment. There’s a lot in the series that makes me want to hurt some CBS execs in very painful and personal ways, but there’s enough nuggets of potential to continue the “wait and see” game.

We are totally loving Discovery. Peter was all excited that they brought in Harcourt Fenton Mudd from TOS last night. And they made reference to Chris Pike. He got all warm and giggly at that.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 16, 2017 • 6:31:16am

re: #102 Dr Lizardo

It helps to think that Christianity is the creation of 1) Saul of Tarsus and 2) the pagan Mediterranean world.

But Judeo-Christianity? There’s really no such thing. Two distinctly different - and divergent - religions.

Modern Evangelical Christianity is the creation of dour gentlemen of Northern European descent…

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MsJ  Oct 16, 2017 • 6:36:28am

re: #24 Anymouse 🌹

OK I just went to Microsoft’s expert chat page. They want $5 to answer that question.

I think I will be looking for different software … in the meantime I will be stuck using increasingly-unsecure software. Requiring an Internet connexion to access something like Word or Outlook is an absolute non-starter living here.

Look at Open Office which will work with all those MS files. It’s free. It’s not 100% the same, though, but it will function at no cost.

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fern01  Oct 16, 2017 • 6:36:50am

re: #98 The Vicious Babushka

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A spiteful mean bully - what a disgusting man - he cannot stop attacking those who tell the truth about him. If anyone else attacked like this on twitter they would be banned.
Moron man.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 16, 2017 • 6:37:58am

Is Trump going to run in 2020?

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MsJ  Oct 16, 2017 • 6:38:08am

re: #28 Anymouse 🌹

No E-mail client, the part of Office I use most (followed by Word). I suppose I could use Thunderbird from Mozilla for that, but that kind of complicates integration of my software.

Moreover, I suspect my publisher will move away from Office 2007 Professional to 360 or 2016 with end-of-support for Office 2007. That effectively ends my editing job as well.

Thunderbird, the Mozilla flavor of email, is free. My husband uses that for his business. I use Outlook and the only difference that was problematic for me was Out of Office notifications. Hubby never has any issues with Thunderbird.

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Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2017 • 6:40:40am

re: #107 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Is Trump going to run in 2020?

Sure, he’ll be running from debt collectors and federal investigators, assuming he manages to stay in office long enough to finish his term.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 16, 2017 • 6:46:14am

re: #109 Targetpractice

Sure, he’ll be running from debt collectors and federal investigators, assuming he manages to stay in office long enough to finish his term.

I am starting to assume that the GOP plan is to make the best of the mid-terms, let Trump be run out soon thereafter and then try to recover by 2020.

That would be the reasonable strategy, but I guess I am being too optimistic…

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Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2017 • 6:49:14am

re: #110 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I am starting to assume that the GOP plan is to make the best of the mid-terms, let Trump be run out soon thereafter and then try to recover by 2020.

That would be the reasonable strategy, but I guess I am being too optimistic…

There’s been the suggestion made in recent days that the GOP leadership secretly wants the DNC to retake the House next year, if only to let them bear the political cost of initiating impeachment proceedings.

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scottslemmons  Oct 16, 2017 • 6:50:38am

re: #110 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I am starting to assume that the GOP plan is to make the best of the mid-terms, let Trump be run out soon thereafter and then try to recover by 2020.

That would be the reasonable strategy, but I guess I am being too optimistic…

On one hand, they’re smart (and psychopathic) enough to have worked this all out to a specific month-by-month schedule. On the other hand, they’re consistently dumb enough to assume all their plans will work out the way they envision.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 16, 2017 • 6:53:37am

re: #111 Targetpractice

There’s been the suggestion made in recent days that the GOP leadership secretly wants the DNC to retake the House next year, if only to let them bear the political cost of initiating impeachment proceedings.

I think the Dems will make mid-term gains, but I find it too optimistic to expect them to the House back.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 16, 2017 • 6:56:43am

re: #113 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I think the Dems will make mid-term gains, but I find it too optimistic to expect them to the House back.

They might, but it will probably be by a small margin either way.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 16, 2017 • 6:58:59am

re: #111 Targetpractice

There’s been the suggestion made in recent days that the GOP leadership secretly wants the DNC to retake the House next year, if only to let them bear the political cost of initiating impeachment proceedings.

Not dissimilar to what I’ve read among the Tory circles in the UK - call another general election, PM May flubs it, Labour and Corbyn get in, and let them take the fall when the inevitable Brexshit hits the fan.

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freetoken  Oct 16, 2017 • 7:02:55am

re: #111 Targetpractice

There’s been the suggestion made in recent days that the GOP leadership secretly wants the DNC to retake the House next year, if only to let them bear the political cost of initiating impeachment proceedings.

That’s a very risky approach, if indeed the GOP are willing to go down that route.

If an impeachment hearing(s) begins, a whole lot of stuff may come out of closets the GOP might otherwise want left hidden.

The discovery risk alone makes any idea that the GOP will be better off with the Democrats running the House probably untenable.

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 16, 2017 • 7:06:28am

re: #6 JordanRules

My favorite of the Queen, somehow she got her hands on the keys to my car…

Luckily she isn’t required to have a drivers license, Queens are exempt.

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lawhawk  Oct 16, 2017 • 7:07:13am

Greets and saluts from the Resistance in the NYC metro area.

Trump was trotting out Art Laffer as proof that his tax plan would be successful, except that the Laffer curve is voodoo economics that hasn’t worked anywhere it’s been attempted.

Trump’s tax plan is absolutely certain to benefit millionaires like himself. Estate tax repeal helps only those whose estates are more than ~$5.5 million. No one in the middle class or lower class can guarantee that they’ll come out even or ahead with what information we know. Only ones who know they profit are millionaires and those who use passthrough entities who’d see massive tax breaks as a result.

In other words, Trump’s taking the disastrous Kansas approach and pushing it to federal taxes.

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Belafon  Oct 16, 2017 • 7:08:39am

re: #110 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I am starting to assume that the GOP plan is to make the best of the mid-terms, let Trump be run out soon thereafter and then try to recover by 2020.

That would be the reasonable strategy, but I guess I am being too optimistic…

The lean so far towards Democrats is enough to overcome gerrymandering in the House. Right now, though, they wouldn’t have enough to overcome Republican obstruction on any impeachment. But, they would be able to initiate investigations of the Administration.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 16, 2017 • 7:10:02am

Larry Flynt offers $10M for info leading to Trump’s impeachment

Got dirt?

“Hustler” publisher Larry Flynt has offered a $10 million bounty for anyone with information on President Trump that would lead to his “impeachment and removal from office.”

A full page advertisement in the Washington Post warned that the 2016 election was “illegitimate in many ways.”

“Trump has proven he’s dangerously unfit to exercise the extreme power accrued by our ‘unitary executive,’” the ad read.

“Impeachment would be a messy, contentious affair, but the alternative — three more years of destabilizing dysfunction — is worse.”

Flynt cited the firing of former FBI director James Comey, the potential nuclear war with North Korea, the Paris Accord and Trump’s “racial dog-whistling” after the Charlottesville Nazi rally as reasons for his impeachment.

The porn magnate has previously offered money for information on Mitt Romney’s tax returns and Republican Congressman Bob Livingston’s extramarital affair, which led to his resignation in 1998.

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lawhawk  Oct 16, 2017 • 7:10:16am

Oh, and Marvel dropped another Black Panther trailer:

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Belafon  Oct 16, 2017 • 7:11:43am

re: #88 Backwoods_Sleuth

Democrats vote to raise taxes on themselves, Republicans vote to cut taxes on themselves.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 16, 2017 • 7:12:44am

re: #81 The Vicious Babushka

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Wow. I’m shocked. This is so ugly and unnecessary. He was born in the U.S. for goodness sakes.

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Belafon  Oct 16, 2017 • 7:15:26am

I think this is a really good description of Trump and most wingers:

[T]here is one sense in which Trump is genuinely a man of the people — or, more precisely, of a certain subsegment of said people: Like millions of ordinary Americans, Donald Trump watches a lot of Fox News, but isn’t really interested in politics.

No occupant of the Oval Office has ever shared the average person’s disinterest in policy, parliamentary procedure, and the rudiments of American civics to the extent that Trump does. He is America’s first “low-information voter” president.

This was surely one source of his appeal on the campaign trail. The candidate spoke about politics like a regular Joe. Which is to say, like someone who doesn’t know much about politics but heard (or misheard) an outrageous thing about “Obummer” on Hannity last night. Jeb Bush read white papers, gave speeches at D.C. think tanks. Donald Trump watched Fox & Friends and shouted at his television. The billionaire might live in material conditions more opulent than his supporters could ever imagine. But unlike every other candidate in the GOP primary, in one small — but real and visceral — sense, Trump and the Republican base lived in the same world.

But if blithe ignorance about politics and mindless faith in the claims of right-wing pundits worked for Trump as a candidate, they’ve proven less effective for him as a president.

This is a good explanation for why they know the latest outrage but fail any test of basic understanding of history or how government functions.

h/t Balloon Juice

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 16, 2017 • 7:15:53am

re: #100 Dr Lizardo

And Trump obviously views the people of Puerto Rico and the US Virgin Islands as non-Americans. That explains his recent bizarre comment that he met the “President” of the Virgin Islands.

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Belafon  Oct 16, 2017 • 7:17:31am

A microbrewery located inside a bar is offering free beer in exchange for unused tickets to Richard Spencer’s speech at the University of Florida.

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 16, 2017 • 7:18:09am

re: #120 Dr. Matt

That is like closing the barn doors after the horses got out. Maybe Flynt should have started in 2016.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 16, 2017 • 7:18:50am

re: #123 Patricia Kayden

Wow. I’m shocked. This is so ugly and unnecessary. He was born in the U.S. for goodness sakes.

In the Facebook post — more of a press release posted to Facebook, really — Queen also weighed in on his situation. “Funny thing, I gave up my U.S. passport to make life simpler at tax time. I never dreamed I would one day be denied entry, and with such ridiculous reasoning… I feel this is more about racial profiling than anything. It’s all about trying to control everyone. I am not a criminal and in fact never was. When I became a Swiss citizen, I ‘became a criminal’ again in the eyes of U.S. law enforcement. If I was undesirable 59 years ago, why have I been issued a fresh passport every 10 years for the past six decades?

Conservatives were applauding people when they gave up their citizenship under Obama to improve their tax situation. They won’t be feeling the same way about Queen. Book it.

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Belafon  Oct 16, 2017 • 7:19:24am

re: #127 Shropshire Slasher

That is like closing the barn doors after the horses got out. Maybe Flynt should have started in 2016.

Well, if the American people hadn’t been idiots, he wouldn’t have needed to do it at all.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2017 • 7:20:31am

re: #15 Targetpractice

Just watched the latest episode of Star Trek: Discovery this morning. And overall, I’m willing to wait and see where this whole storyline goes before passing total judgment. There’s a lot in the series that makes me want to hurt some CBS execs in very painful and personal ways, but there’s enough nuggets of potential to continue the “wait and see” game.

The lost me with the magic-mushroom drive and the giant tardigrade.
The writers are too high to write for Star Trek.

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 16, 2017 • 7:26:24am

re: #129 Belafon

Classifying the 62,979,879 people who voted for Mr. Trump as idiots won’t win the Democrats any elections.

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Belafon  Oct 16, 2017 • 7:27:01am

It looks like, rather than the NFL owners crushing the players like Trump other racists want, the NFL will be using it’s platform to help make some changes. NFL spokesman Joe Lockhart said that Goodell:

“Has a plan that he is going to present to owners about how to use our platform to both raise awareness and make progress on issues of social justice and equality in this country.”

Lockhart said the discussions will focus on how to use the broad platforms of the NFL, players and clubs to try and make progress on issues of equality, social justice and criminal justice reform.

“These are issues that are important to our clubs, issues that are important to our players, issues that are important to the communities in which we play. That’s what we are discussing. So for everyone who has speculated over the last few days that somehow there is a proposal that is set for a vote on Tuesday or Wednesday you are speculating. Those who are reporting it as fact are reporting it incorrectly.”

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Belafon  Oct 16, 2017 • 7:28:29am

re: #131 Shropshire Slasher

Classifying the 62,979,879 people who voted for Mr. Trump as idiots won’t win the Democrats any elections.

Going after them won’t. I live among a bunch that earn the kinds of paychecks that make them upper middle class. They bitch about taxes and they bitch about crappy roads.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 16, 2017 • 7:36:36am

re: #133 Belafon

Going after them won’t. I live among a bunch that earn the kinds of paychecks that make them upper middle class. They bitch about taxes and they bitch about crappy roads.

And they will bitch about tolls if/when we start selling off the right of way to private investors looking to turn a profit.

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 16, 2017 • 7:40:22am

re: #134 Eventual Carrion

I don’t have a problem with tolls, I have a problem with how they are paid, like, toll booths.

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austin_blue  Oct 16, 2017 • 7:41:32am

They’re just wildly beautiful, these storms:

met.ie

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 16, 2017 • 7:41:44am

re: #135 Shropshire Slasher

In New York, we have a lot of authorities that are paid for with tolls. I would like to get rid of all of them, too.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 16, 2017 • 7:41:48am

re: #117 Shropshire Slasher

My favorite of the Queen, somehow she got her hands on the keys to my car…

Luckily she isn’t required to have a drivers license, Queens are exempt.

Remember when she loaded the King of Saudi Arabia in her Land Rover and drove him around her estate?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 16, 2017 • 7:43:03am

re: #123 Patricia Kayden

Wow. I’m shocked. This is so ugly and unnecessary. He was born in the U.S. for goodness sakes.

I am not. Leave at your own peril.

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 16, 2017 • 7:43:26am

re: #138 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I think my next four wheel drive vehicle will be a Land Rover. They have come a long way, even though they don’t know how to design lug nuts.

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sagehen  Oct 16, 2017 • 7:43:59am

re: #119 Belafon

The lean so far towards Democrats is enough to overcome gerrymandering in the House. Right now, though, they wouldn’t have enough to overcome Republican obstruction on any impeachment. But, they would be able to initiate investigations of the Administration.

3 Senators would mean no more judicial confirmations.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 16, 2017 • 7:44:04am

re: #130 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

The lost me with the magic-mushroom drive and the giant tardigrade.
The writers are too high to write for Star Trek.

I liked the big tardigrade, but I am still generally under-impressed. Will soldier on only because it is still about the most interesting thing Netflix has to offer lately…

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BlackPearl  Oct 16, 2017 • 7:44:41am

re: #123 Patricia Kayden

Wow. I’m shocked. This is so ugly and unnecessary. He was born in the U.S. for goodness sakes.

Yes, and he gave up his citizenship, in order to avoid paying US taxes, as he says right in the article:

“Funny thing, I gave up my U.S. passport to make life simpler at tax time. I never dreamed I would one day be denied entry, and with such ridiculous reasoning.”

Non-citizens have to get visas, just like US citizens have to get visas to go anywhere else (we have a lot of treaties to make it trivial, but it’s still a visa in the background).

He may be a great musician and nice man, but my sympathy is limited.

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Belafon  Oct 16, 2017 • 7:45:45am

re: #134 Eventual Carrion

And they will bitch about tolls if/when we start selling off the right of way to private investors looking to turn a profit.

We have a working lab here in the DFW area. The NTTA runs all the toll roads here, and they use money from exiting roads to not only pay for their upkeep and expansion, but to pay for new roads. People bitch about having to pay for a road they will never use when their road was paid for that way.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 16, 2017 • 7:46:31am

re: #140 Shropshire Slasher

I think my next four wheel drive vehicle will be a Land Rover. They have come a long way, even though they don’t know how to design lug nuts.

The lug nuts have stayed on my Series III for 44 years.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 16, 2017 • 7:46:52am

re: #143 BlackPearl

“Funny thing, I gave up my U.S. passport to make life simpler at tax time. I never dreamed I would one day be denied entry, and with such ridiculous reasoning.”

Non-citizens have to get visas, just like US citizens have to get visas to go anywhere else (we have a lot of treaties to make it trivial, but it’s still a visa in the background).

A friend of mine did that, both for tax purposes and for work (as an EU citizen, he can live or work anywhere in Europe with no further bureaucratic hassle, as a US citizen, he would have to re-apply for residence and work permits every time he moves), bu he has to apply for a visa to go home and visit his family.

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Belafon  Oct 16, 2017 • 7:47:04am

re: #135 Shropshire Slasher

I don’t have a problem with tolls, I have a problem with how they are paid, like, toll booths.

“I don’t have a problem with paying for food, just people taking my money.”

Around here, we have electronic tolls with a car tag. They have cameras if it doesn’t detect a tag and you get a bill in the mail.

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danarchy  Oct 16, 2017 • 7:47:49am

re: #145 Decatur Deb

The lug nuts have stayed on my Series III for 44 years.

Wow, those must be some hella bald tires ;)

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Decatur Deb  Oct 16, 2017 • 7:50:17am

re: #148 danarchy

Wow, those must be some hella bald tires ;)

One of them is still filled with Belgian Army air.

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 16, 2017 • 7:50:21am

re: #148 danarchy

Its a Land rover, it just rides on the steel rims.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2017 • 7:52:56am

re: #142 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I liked the big tardigrade, but I am still generally under-impressed. Will soldier on only because it is still about the most interesting thing Netflix has to offer lately…

The mushroom drive and impossible tardigrade signal that this is a fantasy show, rather than Star Trek. The writers should have just made a fantasy show and not called it Star Trek.

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ObserverArt  Oct 16, 2017 • 7:53:24am

re: #107 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Is Trump going to run in 2020?

Not if I and hopefully many millions of others can prevent it.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 16, 2017 • 7:53:45am
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lawhawk  Oct 16, 2017 • 7:55:14am

This doesn’t pass the smell test.

Loesch claims she’s being forced to move because she’s not safe as a result of gun control advocates making “threats”.

So, her gun arsenal isn’t enough? Is that what she’s claiming? Or that she needs even more guns to offset some mythical threat that exists only in her mind.

Having more guns doesn’t equal safety. It hasn’t. It doesn’t.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2017 • 7:57:35am

re: #153 GlutenFreeJesus

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lawhawk  Oct 16, 2017 • 7:58:43am

re: #153 GlutenFreeJesus

Cruz watches incest porn. He endorsed a serial sex predator who admitted to grabbing women and walking in on women who were undressed during beauty pageants all because he owned the pageant and felt entitled to leer at naked women.

Yeah, spare us the false outrage until Cruz and GOP explain where all their money went to Trump (and still does as the money raised now goes to Trump legal defense funds).

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2017 • 8:00:26am

re: #154 lawhawk

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Decatur Deb  Oct 16, 2017 • 8:00:44am

re: #150 Shropshire Slasher

Its a Land rover, it just rides on the steel rims.

Tires are for wankers.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 16, 2017 • 8:01:06am

Weinstein is a particularly large, sticky and smelly piece of poo that the GOP can fling at the DNC to distract from their own Predator-in-Chief.

And the RW media delights in every opportunity to do another piece on “Clinton supporter and donor (((Harvey Weinstein)))”

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 16, 2017 • 8:03:14am

re: #157 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I thought Dana “Muh Gunz” had a veritable arsenal of firearms at her disposal. Is she admitting that she doesn’t know how to utilize her cache of weapons in order to defend herself?

Or - and far more likely - is she really just full of shit?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 16, 2017 • 8:03:48am

re: #160 Dr Lizardo

I thought Dana “Muh Gunz” had a veritable arsenal of firearms at her disposal. Is she admitting that she doesn’t know how to utilize her cache of weapons in order to defend herself?

Or - and far more likely - is she really just full of shit?

martyrdom is sweet and holy

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Belafon  Oct 16, 2017 • 8:03:54am

re: #151 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

The mushroom drive and impossible tardigrade signal that this is a fantasy show, rather than Star Trek. The writers should have just made a fantasy show and not called it Star Trek.

According to hard core science fiction people, Star Trek is a fantasy show. It just uses lasers.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 16, 2017 • 8:04:04am

re: #125 Patricia Kayden

And Trump obviously views the people of Puerto Rico and the US Virgin Islands as non-Americans. That explains his recent bizarre comment that he met the “President” of the Virgin Islands.

And Rick Perry calling Puerto Rico a country.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 16, 2017 • 8:04:34am

re: #160 Dr Lizardo

I thought Dana “Muh Gunz” had a veritable arsenal of firearms at her disposal. Is she admitting that she doesn’t know how to utilize her cache of weapons in order to defend herself?

Or - and far more likely - is she really just full of shit?

They’re all water guns.

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Belafon  Oct 16, 2017 • 8:04:41am

re: #160 Dr Lizardo

Dana’s just admitting what we know, that guns aren’t protection. And she should be called out on that from now on.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 16, 2017 • 8:05:20am

re: #161 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

martyrdom is sweet and holy

Not to mention a great way to hustle the rubes for some sweet, sweet cash.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 16, 2017 • 8:06:04am

re: #162 Belafon

According to hard core science fiction people, Star Trek is a fantasy show. It just uses lasers.

According to Gene Roddenberry, it was simply “Wagon Train in outer space.”

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Belafon  Oct 16, 2017 • 8:06:56am

re: #167 Dr Lizardo

According to Gene Roddenberry, it was simply “Wagon Train in outer space.”

Was there that much implied sex in Wagon Train?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 16, 2017 • 8:07:00am

re: #163 Big Beautiful Door

And Rick Perry calling Puerto Rico a country.

Why would they all sing “I want to be in America” if they are not from a foreign country?

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JordanRules  Oct 16, 2017 • 8:07:30am
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Renaissance_Man  Oct 16, 2017 • 8:07:32am

re: #131 Shropshire Slasher

Classifying the 62,979,879 people who voted for Mr. Trump as idiots won’t win the Democrats any elections.

And yet they are. And worse - malicious idiots.

From a theoretical standpoint, there is no reason not to exclude them from your potential voters if you are a Democrat. There is no reason not to go after them with as much viciousness and venom as Republicans go after brown people. There is no reason not to alienate them - they will never vote for you. You can personally give them money and administer CPR to their child, and they will still never vote for you. They belong to a cult, and the central tenet of that cult is hating Democrats. Only if they were to somehow leave that cult would it be possible that they might vote for you. So all these attempts to ‘understand’ and ‘win back’ the white middle class are nothing more than media wankery - endless media glorification of mediocre white people insisting that they must be catered to by both parties and all parts of America, lest their tender fee-fees get hurt and they vote for monsters just to spite people.

Well, fuck that.

From a practical standpoint, however, since the media is entirely controlled by fascist autocrats, going after such people will simply produce wall-to-wall coverage demonising Democrats and calling for an end to their ugly identity politics, so that white Republicans can go on with their ugly identity politics quietly and the media can go back to discussing why all of it is Hillary Clinton’s fault. In the end, Democrats are damned if they do and damned if they don’t. America must find a way to reclaim its mass media from the hands of the far right in order to return to sanity.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2017 • 8:07:47am

re: #162 Belafon

According to hard core science fiction people, Star Trek is a fantasy show. It just uses lasers.

According to hard core SF people, 99% of TV SF is fantasy.
Trek was Wagon Train in space, and Treknobable was always goofy, but they mostly stayed within the “science” of the Trek universe.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 16, 2017 • 8:08:08am

re: #168 Belafon

Was there that much implied sex in Wagon Train?

Heh.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 16, 2017 • 8:09:07am

re: #171 Renaissance_Man

And yet they are. And worse - malicious idiots.

From a theoretical standpoint, there is no reason not to exclude them from your potential voters if you are a Democrat. There is no reason not to go after them with as much viciousness and venom as Republicans go after brown people. There is no reason not to alienate them - they will never vote for you.

The GOP won by riling up and motivating their base. The Dems will not win unless they figure out how to do the same

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plansbandc  Oct 16, 2017 • 8:10:04am

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 16, 2017 • 8:10:26am

re: #172 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

According to hard core SF people, 99% of TV SF is fantasy.
Trek was Wagon Train in space, and Treknobable was always goofy, but they mostly stayed within the “science” of the Trek universe.

I’ve debated with students of mine who (oddly) insist that the Star Wars franchise is “sci-fi”.

No. It’s space opera with elements of sword and sorcery and sci-fi. It’s a gussied-up modern take on Flash Gordon Conquers the Universe.

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CongoJack  Oct 16, 2017 • 8:10:29am

re: #170 JordanRules

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2017 • 8:11:17am

re: #175 plansbandc

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Is it wrong that I don’t feel bad for people like that at all. I can only feel so much sympathy.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2017 • 8:12:07am

re: #165 Belafon

Dana’s just admitting what we know, that guns aren’t protection. And she should be called out on that from now on.

Between that, and losing her young-woman looks, her career might be waning.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2017 • 8:12:25am

re: #154 lawhawk

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This doesn’t pass the smell test.

Loesch claims she’s being forced to move because she’s not safe as a result of gun control advocates making “threats”.

So, her gun arsenal isn’t enough? Is that what she’s claiming? Or that she needs even more guns to offset some mythical threat that exists only in her mind.

Having more guns doesn’t equal safety. It hasn’t. It doesn’t.

I’m not buying it at all.And besides I thought her guns were going to keep her safe?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2017 • 8:12:49am

re: #179 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Between that, and losing her young-woman looks, her career might be waning.

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You mean the NRA may find a new spokesmodel to replace her?!?!? Shocker.

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Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2017 • 8:13:21am
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makeitstop  Oct 16, 2017 • 8:13:49am

re: #181 HappyWarrior

You mean the NRA may find a new spokesmodel to replace her?!?!? Shocker.

My money’s on Tomi Lehren, if they can teach her to read.
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ObserverArt  Oct 16, 2017 • 8:14:55am

re: #124 Belafon

I think this is a really good description of Trump and most wingers:

This is a good explanation for why they know the latest outrage but fail any test of basic understanding of history or how government functions.

h/t Balloon Juice

So, the 2016 election was the election all the people that are distrustful of education got a chance to get even and get their own no-nothing President.

I figured it was coming. It was the split that has been forming for some time. It was hinted at by Rick Santorum with the Obama is a snob for wanting people to go to college.

A lot of people hold education against others. They didn’t like school and were glad to get past it any way they could. For them someone wanting to get a further/higher education was someone wanting to get over on them unfairly.

Even though Trump made a big deal about Wharton and being the smartest of the smart, his base had a sense that he was still one of their guys, just as ignorant as they.

I wonder how they figured it out? /

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2017 • 8:17:56am

re: #183 makeitstop

My money’s on Tomi Lehren, if they can teach her to read.
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Wouldn’t shock me. She seems to be quite popular as a right wing shill these days.

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makeitstop  Oct 16, 2017 • 8:23:31am

So, that trip to see Assange ended up costing Rage Furby $1500 $5400 - in Bitcoin.

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ObserverArt  Oct 16, 2017 • 8:28:46am

re: #165 Belafon

Dana’s just admitting what we know, that guns aren’t protection. And she should be called out on that from now on.

Dana’s just admitting what we know, that she can get a rise out of her followers by saying anything derogatory about gun safety advocates, liberals, Democrats, etc.

Does she have another book coming out?

Maybe something like: Not Safe in My Own Home - Liberals attack no matter how many guns you own.

With a foreword by Wayne La Pierre of the NRA explaining why you can never have too many guns, you will always need more.

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makeitstop  Oct 16, 2017 • 8:30:03am

Well, this changes things. The old ‘the meeting was about adoptions’ things was just another lie.

Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya arrived at a June 2016 meeting with Donald Trump Jr. armed with a set of talking points arguing American officials were hoodwinked into slapping human rights sanctions on Russia in 2012 and that efforts to expand those measures would hurt relations between Washington and Moscow.

According to her talking points, obtained by Foreign Policy, Veselnitskaya made the case that the American businessman Bill Browder perpetrated a massive scheme of tax fraud against the Russian state and then launched a global campaign claiming that his companies had in fact been defrauded by Russian officials — and that they had killed the lawyer Sergei Magnitsky in order to cover it up.

That June 2016 meeting has landed in the crosshairs of investigators examining whether aides to Donald Trump conspired with Kremlin operatives in their alleged effort to boost the real estate mogul’s campaign by hacking into Democratic Party computer systems and leaking stolen documents online.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 16, 2017 • 8:31:24am

This is a strange headline from the Daily Beast:

Lawsuit: Idaho Father Killed By Doomsday Prepper Deputy In Bull Euthanasia Gone Awry

thedailybeast.com

How can you not click on that story!

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makeitstop  Oct 16, 2017 • 8:32:13am

re: #188 makeitstop

Well, this changes things. The old ‘the meeting was about adoptions’ things was just another lie.

Memo here.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 16, 2017 • 8:37:36am

re: #172 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

According to hard core SF people, 99% of TV SF is fantasy.
Trek was Wagon Train in space, and Treknobable was always goofy, but they mostly stayed within the “science” of the Trek universe.

I’d like someone to explain the “science” of Q, who’s basically Loki is space.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 16, 2017 • 8:40:35am

re: #191 Big Beautiful Door

I’d like someone to explain the “science” of Q, who’s basically Loki is space.

He nearly put me off Next Generation entirely, but I managed to keep watching past him…

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nines09  Oct 16, 2017 • 8:42:16am

re: #182 Targetpractice

He deserves it.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2017 • 8:43:03am

re: #191 Big Beautiful Door

I’d like someone to explain the “science” of Q, who’s basically Loki is space.

British science fiction writer Arthur C. Clarke formulated three adages that are known as Clarke’s three laws, of which the third law is the best known and most widely cited:

1 When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong.

2 The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible.

3 Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

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CongoJack  Oct 16, 2017 • 8:43:43am

re: #191 Big Beautiful Door

I’d like someone to explain the “science” of Q, who’s basically Loki is space.

As a Trek nerd (grew up on TNG, DS9, Voyager) I always thought that Q and the Continuum were basically the end result of humanity that over the millennia had finally evolved to be eternal, all powerful beings (thus is why Q had such an interest in humanity to begin with and testing them).

Though I may have thought this because dog knows I’d love to have the powers of Q.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 16, 2017 • 8:46:35am

re: #195 CongoJack

As a Trek nerd (grew up on TNG, DS9, Voyager) I always thought that Q and the Continuum were basically the end result of humanity that over the millennia had finally evolved to be eternal, all powerful beings (thus is why Q had such an interest in humanity to begin with and testing them).

Though I may have thought this because dog knows I’d love to have the powers of Q.

Just not the personality, please…

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Belafon  Oct 16, 2017 • 8:49:29am

re: #196 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Just imagine living in a world where someone has the power to wipe out all life and he’s a petulant child. Oh, wait…

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CongoJack  Oct 16, 2017 • 8:50:00am

re: #196 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Well, if a human had the power of Q they would likely be a douche - just like Q. Though I did like the episode when Q was made human by the Continuum to learn humility.

The guy that was Q also was the dad of the OD daughter in Breaking Bad. He is a good actor I just think in his Q role they had him ham it up a bit.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 16, 2017 • 8:50:11am

re: #197 Belafon

Just imagine living in a world where someone has the power to wipe out all life and he’s a petulant child. Oh, wait…

Q’s personality is brilliant compared to our current Prez…

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William Lewis  Oct 16, 2017 • 8:51:28am

re: #94 The Vicious Babushka

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The sad part is there is much that a Christian can learn of ethics & theology from Judaism - the Pirke Avot, for a relatively simple example, has some wonderful lessons for those willing to learn and understand where Jesus’ teachings come from and how to actually apply those teachings to real life. My own life as a Christian has been profoundly improved by my study, such as it is, of the basics of Judaism.

The ones who use the concept of “Judeo-Christian” however, have utterly no interest in either learning from Judaism or actually applying Jesus’ teachings to their day to day lives. Basic morality is antithetical to them.

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lawhawk  Oct 16, 2017 • 8:52:15am

re: #195 CongoJack

As a Trek nerd (grew up on TNG, DS9, Voyager) I always thought that Q and the Continuum were basically the end result of humanity that over the millennia had finally evolved to be eternal, all powerful beings (thus is why Q had such an interest in humanity to begin with and testing them).

Though I may have thought this because dog knows I’d love to have the powers of Q.

Even in TOS, the Enterprise crew came across several entities/beings that behaved much as Q did in TNG.

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Belafon  Oct 16, 2017 • 8:52:51am

re: #198 CongoJack

Well, if a human had the power of Q they would likely be a douche - just like Q. Though I did like the episode when Q was made human by the Continuum to learn humility.

The guy that was Q also was the dad of the OD daughter in Breaking Bad. He is a good actor I just think in his Q role they had him ham it up a bit.

I liked him on Days of Our Lives.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 16, 2017 • 8:52:52am

re: #200 William Lewis

The ones who use the concept of “Judeo-Christian” however, have utterly no interest in either learning from Judaism or actually applying Jesus’ teachings to their day to day lives. Basic morality is antithetical to them.

“Judeo-Christian” is their code word for Calvinism, just like “alit right” is a code word for fascism.

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lawhawk  Oct 16, 2017 • 8:53:51am

So, if kneeling is out at the NFL, how about raised fists.

Oh, and does it surprise anyone that a major sport tv ratings are down sharply in the past year.

It’s not the NFL that has seen the biggest decline.

It’s NASCAR.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2017 • 8:54:18am

re: #201 lawhawk

Even in TOS, the Enterprise crew came across several entities/beings that behaved much as Q did in TNG.

Trelane comes to mind.

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plansbandc  Oct 16, 2017 • 8:55:27am

I love Q. :D

John de Lancie is great. First saw him on Days Of Our Lives. Played a really goofy character named Eugene.

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makeitstop  Oct 16, 2017 • 8:58:43am

Nunes issues renegade subpoena to Fusion GPS. Fusion GPS, in turn, tells Nunes to fuck off.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 16, 2017 • 8:59:22am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2017 • 8:59:49am

re: #203 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“Judeo-Christian” is their code word for Calvinism, just like “alit right” is a code word for fascism.

Correct which is why those of us who were strongly influenced by the Catholic or the Episcopalian tradition can’t relate to their view.

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:00:09am

re: #191 Big Beautiful Door

I’d like someone to explain the “science” of Q, who’s basically Loki is space.

“Something, something…QUANTUM!…..something…..”

Sci-Fi writers love quantum physics because nobody understands it and you can use it as an excuse for anything.

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William Lewis  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:00:18am

re: #203 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“Judeo-Christian” is their code word for Calvinism, just like “alit right” is a code word for fascism.

Calvinism as filtered through John Knox. Calvin actually disliked the implications of his ideas and downplayed them as a result. It is arguable he spent much of his life trying to argue his way out of believing in them. The worse one was Knox who took Calvin’s predestination and made it the core of Scottish Presbyterianism while twisting it fully into the modern idea that Only X will be Saved and you can know who they are because they’re the rich and powerful. That heresy (for lack of a better word) is what is destroying Christianity in America as more and more people see it for the BS that it is.

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CongoJack  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:00:55am

re: #201 lawhawk

Even in TOS, the Enterprise crew came across several entities/beings that behaved much as Q did in TNG.

All I remember of TOS are tribbles (and the original movies - Kahn and having go back in time to steal whales).

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:02:19am

The kids are not at all alright.

quora.com

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Sea Mexican!  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:02:36am

re: #100 Dr Lizardo

I still recall this from a couple of years back…….I forgot where it was, but there was a Puerto Rican fella who was keeping three women as sex slaves in his house (it was a big story, as the girls had disappeared a few years earlier and were never found until one of them successfully escaped). I wandered over to Freeperville and a few of the posters were screaming nonsense about “illegal aliens!!” - fortunately, they were quickly reminded by a few other posters that Puerto Ricans are, in fact, US citizens…..a fact which a good many Freepers found genuinely shocking.

I wouldn’t be surprised one little bit if a lot of Trump’s base regard Puerto Ricans as non-Americans.

I wouldn’t be surprised most Americans, regardless of political affiliation, regard Puerto Ricans as non-US Citizens.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:02:41am

re: #210 Ace-o-aces

“Something, something…QUANTUM!…..something…..”

Sci-Fi writers love quantum physics because nobody understands it and you can use it as an excuse for anything.

New age scammers love it for the same reason.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:03:38am

re: #212 CongoJack

All I remember of TOS are tribbles (and the original movies - Kahn and having go back in time to steal whales).

You should watch it on BluRay. The remastered show is beautiful.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:03:50am

re: #211 William Lewis

Calvinism as filtered through John Knox. Calvin actually disliked the implications of his ideas and downplayed them as a result. It is arguable he spent much of his life trying to argue his way out of believing in them. The worse one was Knox who took Calvin’s predestination and made it the core of Scottish Presbyterianism while twisting it fully into the modern idea that Only X will be Saved and you can know who they are because they’re the rich and powerful. That heresy (for lack of a better word) is what is destroying Christianity in America as more and more people see it for the BS that it is.

Didn’t know that about Calvin and Knox. Even though, I’m no longer religious, I can definitely say the Catholic tradition has played a role perhaps indirectly in shaping me for who I am. You’ve talked about Coach Lombardi before, he practiced a similar kind of Catholicism that my Dad’s parents did- a love and tolerance for all regardless of their differences and a deep desire to see helping humanity as the primary goal rather than saving souls.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:08:34am

re: #211 William Lewis

Calvinism as filtered through John Knox.

We named a fort after him, didn’t we?

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CongoJack  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:09:33am

re: #217 HappyWarrior

Didn’t know that about Calvin and Knox. Even though, I’m no longer religious, I can definitely say the Catholic tradition has played a role perhaps indirectly in shaping me for who I am. You’ve talked about Coach Lombardi before, he practiced a similar kind of Catholicism that my Dad’s parents did- a love and tolerance for all regardless of their differences and a deep desire to see helping humanity as the primary goal rather than saving souls.

I agree on your point of view of what Catholicism should be - speaking as a former Catholic and Catholic schooled (K-12) individual. But when the Catholic school made me protest abortion (if I didn’t I would have failed religion class - this was in mid 1990s - and they took us to Tillerson’s clinic in Wichita) and when the priest read a letter from the Bishop at the end of mass telling us to vote for McCain (not Obama) because of the evils of abortion I was completely done with it. I have no issues with Catholicism - I have issues with the RW Bishops of this country that do not follow the teaching of Jesus and do not follow the example of our current great Pope.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:09:54am

re: #216 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

You should watch it on BluRay. The remastered show is beautiful.

I watched all the originals when Netflix released them for the 50th anniversary…about one in three was brilliant, one in three meh and the others total dross.

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William Lewis  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:11:44am

re: #217 HappyWarrior

Exactly. It’s why I say to worry about here and now - take care of the sick, the poor, the homeless, the imprisoned and by making their lives better make the world a better place. Anyone who puts the idea of heaven, a life beyond this one, as being more important than creating a better world here and know (what He called the “Kingdom of Heaven” which simply means living in accord with His teachings) is guilty to my mind of one of the most terrible of selfish sins.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:12:34am

re: #220 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I watched all the originals when Netflix released them for the 50th anniversary…about one in three was brilliant, one in three meh and the others total dross.

If you skip season 3, those ratios will improve significantly.

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Citizen K  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:13:32am

re: #217 HappyWarrior

Didn’t know that about Calvin and Knox. Even though, I’m no longer religious, I can definitely say the Catholic tradition has played a role perhaps indirectly in shaping me for who I am. You’ve talked about Coach Lombardi before, he practiced a similar kind of Catholicism that my Dad’s parents did- a love and tolerance for all regardless of their differences and a deep desire to see helping humanity as the primary goal rather than saving souls.

Similar case here. Lapsed Catholic as I am, I grew up in a relatively liberal diocese (especially considering it was in West Virginia, of all forsaken places), and by that measure, my world view was plenty informed in a way that I just can’t grok the fatalistic and selfish position that modern American Calvinism works off of. I took the Beatitudes, “Love Thy Neighbor”, the Good Samaritan, and “What you did for the least of these” to heart too much to accept that.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:13:56am

re: #219 CongoJack

I agree on your point of view of what Catholicism should be - speaking as a former Catholic and Catholic schooled (K-12) individual. But when the Catholic school made me protest abortion (if I didn’t I would have failed religion class - this was in mid 1990s - and they took us to Tillerson’s clinic in Wichita) and when the priest read a letter from the Bishop at the end of mass telling us to vote for McCain (not Obama) because of the evils of abortion I was completely done with it. I have no issues with Catholicism - I have issues with the RW Bishops of this country that do not follow the teaching of Jesus and do not follow the example of our current great Pope.

Absolutely. I had people who I grew up who like yourself went to Catholic school and were forced to protest the clinics. Unlike yourself, they didn’t havea problem with it unfortunately. I too have issues with those bishops. I remember how Kerry was treated for being a pro-choice Catholic and the effort to refuse him communion based on that belief..

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:15:00am

re: #220 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I watched all the originals when Netflix released them for the 50th anniversary…about one in three was brilliant, one in three meh and the others total dross.

That’s pretty much what Rod Serling said about his own show, The Twilight Zone.

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:16:10am
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William Lewis  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:16:17am

re: #218 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We named a fort after him, didn’t we?

Different Knox.

The Theologian: en.wikipedia.org
The American Revolutionary War General Henry Knox: en.wikipedia.org

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ObserverArt  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:16:44am

re: #204 lawhawk

So, if kneeling is out at the NFL, how about raised fists.

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Oh, and does it surprise anyone that a major sport tv ratings are down sharply in the past year.

It’s not the NFL that has seen the biggest decline.

It’s NASCAR.

NASCAR did it to itself.

They messed up big time (same as Indy car) when it became too controlled to make it even for everyone to have a chance, too many specifications everyone had to follow that took away the creativity that was in the sport and the biggie…when they made it a personality all about the drivers.

It is called AUTO racing….not DRIVER racing.

For me and for many the sport was always about cool cars, getting more performance out of them and beating the others with creativity. Sure, it led to some domination but that meant the cars and teams (driver, crew, engineers) that were winning were good at advancing the sport of CAR racing.

Also, NASCAR got all political with the whole NASCAR Dad thing that was tied to Bush and Conservatives. No thanks…fuck that.

And it got too costly for the average Joe to attend. Tickets, hotels, everything got out of hand.

And I doubt it is coming back. Cars aren’t a thing for younger folks anymore, and they chased away the older fans.

(I could go on, as it was my favorite sport and I even got involved in it…but I won’t)

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:16:51am

re: #223 Citizen K

Similar case here. Lapsed Catholic as I am, I grew up in a relatively liberal diocese (especially considering it was in West Virginia, of all forsaken places), and by that measure, my world view was plenty informed in a way that I just can’t grok the fatalistic and selfish position that modern American Calvinism works off of. I took the Beatitudes, “Love Thy Neighbor”, the Good Samaritan, and “What you did for the least of these” to heart too much to accept that.

I grew up pretty well to do but my mom and uncle were the first people in their family to attend college. And I vividly remember my mom’s parents talking about how New Deal programs helped them.

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JordanRules  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:16:56am

Man. The Mercers really freak me the eff out.

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Citizen K  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:17:07am

re: #219 CongoJack

I agree on your point of view of what Catholicism should be - speaking as a former Catholic and Catholic schooled (K-12) individual. But when the Catholic school made me protest abortion (if I didn’t I would have failed religion class - this was in mid 1990s - and they took us to Tillerson’s clinic in Wichita) and when the priest read a letter from the Bishop at the end of mass telling us to vote for McCain (not Obama) because of the evils of abortion I was completely done with it. I have no issues with Catholicism - I have issues with the RW Bishops of this country that do not follow the teaching of Jesus and do not follow the example of our current great Pope.

I’ve mentioned this before, but it still amazes me how liberal my theology class experience was, considering the last few years of it I had were taught by hippie (and I don’t use that word lightly) activist, someone who proudly displayed various photos of him protesting alongside Martin Sheen, and talked at length about his time protesting the School of the Americas.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:18:03am

re: #230 JordanRules

Man. The Mercers really freak me the effort out.

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If anyone is a reptilian overlord, it’s those two.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:18:12am

re: #227 William Lewis

Different Knox.

The Theologian: en.wikipedia.org
The American Revolutionary War General Henry Knox: en.wikipedia.org

Henry was a fascinating guy. From bookseller to one of Washington’s top generals and the first Secretary of War. John Knox is an ancestor James Knox Polk, 11th President.

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ObserverArt  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:19:07am

re: #214 Le Coquí Résistance

I wouldn’t be surprised most Americans, regardless of political affiliation, regard Puerto Ricans as non-US Citizens.

Speaking of Puerto Rico. I have still not heard anything from my friend on the island of Vieques. I have no idea what to think.

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JordanRules  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:19:07am

re: #232 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Seriously. They are.
*shudders*

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:19:42am

re: #231 Citizen K

I’ve mentioned this before, but it still amazes me how liberal my theology class experience was, considering the last few years of it I had were taught by hippie (and I don’t use that word lightly) activist, someone who proudly displayed various photos of him protesting alongside Martin Sheen, and talked at length about his time protesting the School of the Americas.

It’s amazing how Catholicism can be totally done differently. My neighborhood friends I mentioned were much more so in the Santorum type of Catholicism. They weren’t Opus Dei as far as I know but their parents were quite conservative to the point where they saw Alan Keyes as presidential material back in 2000 so that was pretty rabid right wing by the day but I admit would be mainstream right wing now.

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MsJ  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:19:52am

re: #218 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We named a fort after him, didn’t we?

We named a fort after Braxton Bragg…who was some kind of piece of work. Aside from being a crappy general, he was a horrible human being.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:20:18am

re: #234 ObserverArt

Speaking of Puerto Rico. I have still not heard anything from my friend on the island of Vieques. I have no idea what to think.

That’s awful. I found out that someone I grew up with relocated down there. Her power is still out.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:20:38am

re: #237 MsJ

We named a fort after Braxton Bragg…who was some kind of piece of work. Aside from being a crappy general, he was a horrible human being.

The men under his command hated him from what I understand.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:22:40am

He’s on the TV - look at his HAIR

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Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:24:31am

re: #226 Ace-o-aces

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There’s something inherently hilarious about a man who has made his “fortune” stepping on people smaller than him trying to attack far more successful companies for “getting away with murder.”

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makeitstop  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:25:32am

re: #240 Stanley Sea

He’s on the TV - look at his HAIR

Oh, dog, what now?

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:25:49am

re: #221 William Lewis

Exactly. It’s why I say to worry about here and now - take care of the sick, the poor, the homeless, the imprisoned and by making their lives better make the world a better place. Anyone who puts the idea of heaven, a life beyond this one, as being more important than creating a better world here and know (what He called the “Kingdom of Heaven” which simply means living in accord with His teachings) is guilty to my mind of one of the most terrible of selfish sins.

There is nothing in Judaism that compares to Calvinism. In Judaism, the rich are expected to be more generous when it comes to feeding the hungry, housing the homeless and helping the infirm. If they do not help others according to their means they will become impoverished.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:26:03am

re: #241 Targetpractice

There’s something inherently hilarious about a man who has made his “fortune” stepping on people smaller than him trying to attack far more successful companies for “getting away with murder.”

The things he says are completely expected from any bigoted, attention-craving, alcoholic on a bar stool. It’s just weird that the crazy guy from the bar is in the Oval Office.

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MsJ  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:26:19am

re: #239 HappyWarrior

The men under his command hated him from what I understand.

He treated his men the way he treated his slaves, which is to say NOT WELL at all.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:26:58am

re: #242 makeitstop

Oh, dog, what now?

YOOGE bald spot.

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JordanRules  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:27:21am

LOL

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:27:27am

re: #245 MsJ

He treated his men the way he treated his slaves, which is to say NOT WELL at all.

I don’t know too much about him to be honest just that he was awful as a general and not at all liked.

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Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:28:19am

re: #246 The Vicious Babushka

YOOGE bald spot.

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What’s this “us” business, white man?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:28:26am

re: #246 The Vicious Babushka

YOOGE bald spot.

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William Lewis  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:29:37am

re: #243 The Vicious Babushka

There is nothing in Judaism that compares to Calvinism. In Judaism, the rich are expected to be more generous when it comes to feeding the hungry, housing the homeless and helping the infirm. If they do not help others according to their means they will become impoverished.

Exactly and that is, more than once, taught by Jesus as well. Telling the rich young man that if he wants eternal life he needs to give everything away to the poor.

Christians would do well to remember Maimonides’ Eight Levels of Charity as well.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:30:34am

re: #246 The Vicious Babushka

YOOGE bald spot.

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LOL yep, the light’s hitting it just right.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:31:28am

re: #242 makeitstop

Oh, dog, what now?

Super fucked up. He’s suffering.

Trying to find a photo

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:31:36am

re: #247 JordanRules

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Someone’s desperate for publicity.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:31:46am

re: #251 William Lewis

Exactly and that is, more than once, taught by Jesus as well. Telling the rich young man that if he wants eternal life he needs to give everything away to the poor.

Christians would do well to remember Maimonides’ Eight Levels of Charity as well.

Wow. Surprised you know that.

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Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:31:55am

Let me guess the content of Trump’s speech without hearing it: “The health insurance market that I’ve just buggered eight ways to Sunday must now be fixed by bowing to my demands.”

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:33:07am

re: #243 The Vicious Babushka

There is nothing in Judaism that compares to Calvinism. In Judaism, the rich are expected to be more generous when it comes to feeding the hungry, housing the homeless and helping the infirm. If they do not help others according to their means they will become impoverished.

To be honest, this whole “Judeo-Christian” thing was nothing more than a way of conservative Protestants to include Catholics, other Protestants, and Jews in without saying what they really mean “conservative Protestantism.” Your religious tradition isn’t theirs at all and neither is mine. But they know they have to sound somewhat inclusive.

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lawhawk  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:33:34am
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lawhawk  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:33:56am
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Ace-o-aces  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:34:10am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:34:39am

re: #258 lawhawk

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He literally has no idea what he’s talking about.

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Citizen K  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:34:56am

re: #257 HappyWarrior

To be honest, this whole “Judeo-Christian” thing was nothing more than a way of conservative Protestants to include Catholics, other Protestants, and Jews in without saying what they really mean “conservative Protestantism.” Your religious tradition isn’t theirs at all and neither is mine. But they know they have to sound somewhat inclusive.

Pretty sure that the conservative Christian fetishism for Israel is of a similar vein. They don’t really like Israel itself, they just like what it represents to them: the fact that it exists validates their concept of the end times in their views.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:35:06am

re: #260 Ace-o-aces

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Someone’s hoping his Russian bots help him again.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:35:44am

It makes me absolutely bugeyed crazy that there are Jewsies out there who support Trump because Ivanka is such a “frum young woman.” Vomit.

My daughter argues with these fuckers all day on FB. I just block them.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:35:57am

re: #262 Citizen K

Pretty sure that the conservative Christian fetishism for Israel is of a similar vein. They don’t really like Israel itself, they just like what it represents to them: the fact that it exists validates their concept of the end times in their views.

Right, Israel itself has women and gays serving in the armed forces. A socialized health care system. Tax payer funded abortion IIRC.

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Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:36:25am

re: #258 lawhawk

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What he wants is what he always wants: To stick somebody else with the bill for his actions while he takes the credit for any positive outcome(s). He’s been totally open with his belief that if he nukes the ACA, the DNC will be blamed for the fallout unless they bow to his demands (which include funding for “The Wall”). He’s counting on the public’s short attention span to work in his favor, that in a year’s time they’ll totally believe the DNC is responsible for the ACA’s “failure.”

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:36:29am

re: #264 The Vicious Babushka

It makes me absolutely bugeyed crazy that there are Jewsies out there who support Trump because Ivanka is such a “frum young woman.” Vomit.

My daughter argues with these fuckers all day on FB. I just block them.

I’ve made the point here that Ivanka is somewhat more repulsive than her father.

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William Lewis  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:37:07am

re: #255 The Vicious Babushka

Wow. Surprised you know that.

It came up while I was following up on a teaching in the Pirke Avot (I forget offhand which one) and it made a real impact on my thinking about the subject.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:37:35am

re: #262 Citizen K

Pretty sure that the conservative Christian fetishism for Israel is of a similar vein. They don’t really like Israel itself, they just like what it represents to them: the fact that it exists validates their concept of the end times in their views.

They want all the Juice to clear out of their “White, Christian America” and move to Israel just in time for the Armageddon that will wipe out everyone except for the “true believers” when Yushka comes home.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:37:36am
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:38:47am

re: #210 Ace-o-aces

“Something, something…QUANTUM!…..something…..”

Sci-Fi writers love quantum physics because nobody understands it and you can use it as an excuse for anything.

Good SciFi writers use quantum physics to explain useful mechanisms that the theory may be adaptable into useful things in the future, such a Q—bits for communication or quantum computing. Bad SciFi writers use it as a Deus ex Machina.

HTH.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:40:49am

re: #212 CongoJack

All I remember of TOS are tribbles (and the original movies - Kahn and having go back in time to steal whales).

Because those were the only two good movies in the original series. And, Veee-jur was amusing.

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William Lewis  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:41:41am

Well, time to go get some lunch then afterwards I get to go to the post office and prove that I am a citizen, get fingerprinted and once they’ve run a check on the prints, I think I can then be officially hired. Fun jumping through hoops but it should be a good job to have and hopefully move up to more days a week or even full time.

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Jay C  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:41:49am

re: #245 MsJ

He treated his men the way he treated his slaves, which is to say NOT WELL at all.

Unsurprising: Bragg was noted for being an extreme disciplinarian and a sticker for regulations: which must have made him as popular to the ranks as that’s ever done anywhere…
Also, he had personality issues: I think it was Bragg about which some other Confederate general had remarked: “… the most quarrelsome man in the army. When he ran out of people to quarrel with, he would quarrel with himself

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Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:41:54am

Trump’s just a manifestation of the GOP’s attitudes and activities in the past 8 years: “Give us what we want or the economy gets it.” From the threats of shutdowns to actual shutdowns, the GOP spent years constantly careening the country from one “crisis” to the next of their own creation because legislation through extortion is their own real strategy anymore. They can’t sell people on their ideas, so they force them into law through the threat of pain or suffering for all Americans.

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:42:11am

Did Jake leave high school before they covered Watergate?

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Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:43:56am

re: #276 Ace-o-aces

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Did Jake leave high school before they covered Watergate?

Most high schools these days rarely get past WWI because they spend so much time on the Revolutionary War and Civil War. Modern history in US history classes is basically covered in the last week or so before exams. Might as well have a big sign saying “Nothing much happened.”

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:43:56am

re: #276 Ace-o-aces

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Did Jake leave high school before they covered Watergate?

I think Jacob also ignores that by this point, Nixon was pretty popular. Delusion isn’t healthy, young grasshopper.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:45:19am

re: #277 Targetpractice

Most high schools these days rarely get past WWI because they spend so much time on the Revolutionary War and Civil War. Modern history in US history classes is basically covered in the last week or so before exams. Might as well have a big sign saying “Nothing much happened.”

They really really need to change that. I’m sure being around my age and attending VA public schools, you had this formula:
9th grade: World history through Renaissance
10th grade World history Renassisance through modernity
11th grade: entire U.S. history
12th grade Government

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:45:49am

re: #276 Ace-o-aces

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Did Jake leave high school before they covered Watergate?

He’s trying to out-Trump Trump, going for the biggest lie he can imagine.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:46:15am

re: #131 Shropshire Slasher

Classifying the 62,979,879 people who voted for Mr. Trump as idiots won’t win the Democrats any elections.

Some of them are good people.

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MsJ  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:46:49am

re: #248 HappyWarrior

I don’t know too much about him to be honest just that he was awful as a general and not at all liked.

My husband is a history buff and we were discussing renaming things like schools and such when he told me about Bragg. By the time he was done, I was like HOLY FUCK, ARE YOU KIDDING ME? He was a truly horrible man.

I love (not really) how my Canadian husband knows more about Civil War history than I do. SMDH.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:47:02am

re: #131 Shropshire Slasher

Classifying the 62,979,879 people who voted for Mr. Trump as idiots won’t win the Democrats any elections.

Right, it’s always a mistake to be honest with idiots.

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Jay C  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:47:40am

re: #278 HappyWarrior

I think Jacob also ignores that by this point, Nixon was pretty popular. Delusion isn’t healthy, young grasshopper.

Must be the latest RW talking point going around: ISTR that (?yesterday?) somebody here posed a similar tweet from some hack or other blathering about how Trump was going to sweep the EC next election….

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Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:47:54am

re: #279 HappyWarrior

They really really need to change that. I’m sure being around my age and attending VA public schools, you had this formula:
9th grade: World history through Renaissance
10th grade World history Renassisance through modernity
11th grade: entire U.S. history
12th grade Government

Ayep. Though 11th was “US & VA History,” which only further complicated matters because we live in a former Confederate state which means time spent obsessing over the Civil War and Reconstruction.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:49:05am

re: #194 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

British science fiction writer Arthur C. Clarke formulated three adages that are known as Clarke’s three laws, of which the third law is the best known and most widely cited:

1 When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong.

2 The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible.

3 Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

And at that point, you can no longer complain about your science fiction mixing in fantasy like a giant tartigrade controlling a magic mushroom highway.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:49:16am

re: #282 MsJ

My husband is a history buff and we were discussing renaming things like schools and such when he told me about Bragg. By the time he was done, I was like HOLY FUCK, ARE YOU KIDDING ME? He was a truly horrible man.

I love (not really) how my Canadian husband knows more about Civil War history than I do. SMDH.

Ah ha. I’ll definitely read more on him now. Anyhow, the Civil War is fascinating. What I really want to do is learn more about my second great grandfather’s service in the Army of the Potomac. Gonna be hard to do though since he died when my Dad’s grandmother was really young and there’s not a lot out there on his regiment’s history.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:49:20am

re: #276 Ace-o-aces

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Did Jake leave high school before they covered Watergate?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:49:54am

re: #284 Jay C

Must be the latest RW talking point going around: ISTR that (?yesterday?) somebody here posed a similar tweet from some hack or other blathering about how Trump was going to sweep the EC next election….

I mean. I won’t be shocked if he wins- people are idiots but we’re not going to see a Nixon in ‘72 landslide for a long time.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:50:02am

re: #276 Ace-o-aces

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Did Jake leave high school before they covered Watergate?

He wasn’t born yet.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:50:16am

re: #288 The Vicious Babushka

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Looks like Ralph Fiennes.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:50:20am

re: #197 Belafon

Just imagine living in a world where someone has the power to wipe out all life and he’s a petulant child. Oh, wait…

Japanese Donald Trump Commercialトランプ2016

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:51:17am

re: #286 Big Beautiful Door

And at that point, you can no longer complain about your science fiction mixing in fantasy like a giant tartigrade controlling a magic mushroom highway.

Of course I can. Giant tardigrades and fungus transport are outside the realm of advanced technology. If you scaled up a tardigrade, it would die instantly.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:51:42am

re: #291 HappyWarrior

Looks like Ralph Fiennes.

As Amon Goeth.

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wrenchwench  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:52:39am

Why you should wear rubber soled shoes, even if you work in an office.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:53:01am

re: #285 Targetpractice

Ayep. Though 11th was “US & VA History,” which only further complicated matters because we live in a former Confederate state which means time spent obsessing over the Civil War and Reconstruction.

I think we did it a little less than you guys did since we’re more upstate. Not sure though. I don’t remember 11th grade history that well. I just remember I had a copy of Zinn’s People’s History on me one day and my teacher complimented it as a good read. What really helped that year though was that my English class heavily focused on American literature and we had a whole unit on the Harlem Renaissance so we read some Langston Hughes- who has a middle school named after him in the town next to my hometown, Paul Lawrence Dunbar, and others. And we read Their Eyes Were Watching God the following year.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:53:15am

re: #294 The Vicious Babushka

As Amon Goeth.

Yes. Dead, cruel eyes.

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Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:54:03am

I remember a lot of wingnuts making similar proclamations about Dubya in the run-up to 2004, that his personal popularity and job approval was so high that he’d be reelected by a massive majority of the voters. That it would be ‘72 redux, with Kerry being so unpopular that even Democrats would cross the aisle to vote for our “war-time president.”

Dubya barely managed to win the popular vote (less than 1%) and won only 1 more state than he did in ‘00.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:54:36am

I don’t buy you can’t call them idiots. Trump pretty much did by lying incessantly about the unemployment rate and state of our nation. I’m not saying Democrats should say hey Trump voters are idiots but at the same time, they definitely need to pull no punches on Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:55:30am

re: #298 Targetpractice

I remember a lot of wingnuts making similar proclamations about Dubya in the run-up to 2004, that his personal popularity and job approval was so high that he’d be reelected by a massive majority of the voters. That it would be ‘72 redux, with Kerry being so unpopular that even Democrats would cross the aisle to vote for our “war-time president.”

Dubya barely managed to win the popular vote (less than 1%) and won only 1 more state than he did in ‘00.

I thought Kerry would win but I never saw it as a landslide. Wingnuts think all their candidates are Reagan and all of ours are Jimmy Carter in 1980.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:55:36am

re: #293 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Of course I can. Giant tardigrades and fungus transport are outside the realm of advanced technology. If you scaled up a tardigrade, it would die instantly.

The only way out of this would be for the magic mushroom drive and giant tardigrade to be an illusion created by the Q to mess with Starfleet.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:56:39am

re: #299 HappyWarrior

I don’t buy you can’t call them idiots. Trump pretty much did by lying incessantly about the unemployment rate and state of our nation. I’m not saying Democrats should say hey Trump voters are idiots but at the same time, they definitely need to pull no punches on Trump.

Apparently it’s OK to call them the poorly-educated, but if you mention that that poor education leads to an inability to make good decisions, it’s a step too far.

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CongoJack  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:56:55am

re: #298 Targetpractice

I remember a lot of wingnuts making similar proclamations about Dubya in the run-up to 2004, that his personal popularity and job approval was so high that he’d be reelected by a massive majority of the voters. That it would be ‘72 redux, with Kerry being so unpopular that even Democrats would cross the aisle to vote for our “war-time president.”

Dubya barely managed to win the popular vote (less than 1%) and won only 1 more state than he did in ‘00.

And 2004 the original rat fucking - with the “swift boating” of Kerry. I was a young moron back then and the swift boating worked on me (sadly, and I regret it, this was the 1st presidential election I was able to vote in - turned 18 in 2002). Told myself afterwards that would never happen to me again and then I started to pay more attention.

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Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:58:54am

re: #303 CongoJack

And 2004 the original rat fucking - with the “swift boating” of Kerry. I was a young moron back then and the swift boating worked on me (sadly, and I regret it, this was the 1st presidential election I was able to vote in - turned 18 in 2002). Told myself afterwards that would never happen to me again and then I started to pay more attention.

Sadly, it took me another 4 years before I wised up myself. I voted for McCain in ‘08 because I bought the whole “We need a soldier to lead a war” bullshit that the GOP ran on in ‘08.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:58:54am

re: #303 CongoJack

And 2004 the original rat fucking - with the “swift boating” of Kerry. I was a young moron back then and the swift boating worked on me (sadly, and I regret it, this was the 1st presidential election I was able to vote in - turned 18 in 2002). Told myself afterwards that would never happen to me again and then I started to pay more attention.

A lot of people here have similar stories from before they woke up and realized that they were being manipulated by scoundrels.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2017 • 9:59:41am

re: #303 CongoJack

And 2004 the original rat fucking - with the “swift boating” of Kerry. I was a young moron back then and the swift boating worked on me (sadly, and I regret it, this was the 1st presidential election I was able to vote in - turned 18 in 2002). Told myself afterwards that would never happen to me again and then I started to pay more attention.

I was really disappointed with how well it worked. I knew Kerry’s story quite well since I was after my support of Kucinich ended (yes, I was a Kucinich supporter for half of 2003). Anyhow, the thing I tried pointing out to people about Kerry is that the men who served directly under his campaign spoke highly of him as a Swift Boat officer and even some of the men trashing him in the SBFT ad had supported his past campaigns. I don’t think Kerry has ever forgiven McCain for not saying anything about these ads after Kerry spoke up for McCain after Dubya’s allies and campaign trashed McCain in the 2000 primary.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:00:11am

re: #304 Targetpractice

Sadly, it took me another 4 years before I wised up myself. I voted for McCain in ‘08 because I bought the whole “We need a soldier to lead a war” bullshit that the GOP ran on in ‘08.

Woah…you voted for Sarah Palin?!?!
That was when I first started donating to politicians, to stop the obviously mad Republicans.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:01:00am

Wingnuts whining about an old Jimmy Kimmel Man Show sketch. Good grief. Jimmy Kimmel isn’t President, you fuck wads. And yeah it probably was cringe worthy but at the same time, you guys nominated and normalized and elected Trump. Kimmel is a talk show host who has opinions you dislike.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:01:32am

re: #307 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Woah…you voted for Sarah Palin?!?!
That was when I first started donating to politicians, to stop the obviously mad Republicans.

A lot of us here at LGF didn’t wake up until 2009.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:01:32am

re: #307 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Woah…you voted for Sarah Palin?!?!
That was when I first started donating to politicians, to stop the obviously mad Republicans.

A lot of people here voted for that ticket. I didn’t but a lot of Lizards did.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:03:18am

re: #309 The Vicious Babushka

A lot of us here at LGF didn’t wake up until 2009.

I liked McCain at one time, but putting an airhead that close to the Presidency was totally unacceptable.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:04:04am

If you want to see how two faced the American public is about war heroes, look at how Kerry was treated by the Bush campaign and its allies. One can disagree with how Kerry acted in VVAW all they want but the Swifties trashed his service record and the RNC mocked his Purple Hearts.

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Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:04:49am

re: #308 HappyWarrior

Wingnuts whining about an old Jimmy Kimmel Man Show sketch. Good grief. Jimmy Kimmel isn’t President, you fuck wads. And yeah it probably was cringe worthy but at the same time, you guys nominated and normalized and elected Trump. Kimmel is a talk show host who has opinions you dislike.

It still amazes me how Jimmy Kimmel and Adam Carolla ended up splitting from that show and following totally different trajectories, with Jimmy ended up with his own late-nite talk show that is constantly getting attention while Carolla went on to be a Fox News “commentator” and eventually just fading into podcast obscurity.

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sagehen  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:04:52am

re: #264 The Vicious Babushka

It makes me absolutely bugeyed crazy that there are Jewsies out there who support Trump because Ivanka is such a “frum young woman.” Vomit.

My daughter argues with these fuckers all day on FB. I just block them.

There’s nothing frum about either of them. Jared doesn’t wear a yarmulke, Ivanka’s hair is uncovered and she wears form-fitting sleeveless dresses hemmed at mid-thigh, and we’ve seen them doing political appearances and fundraisers on the Sabbath.

I give 3-1 odds if photographers were allowed to follow them around, we’d see her eating shrimp wrapped in bacon.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:05:11am

re: #311 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I liked McCain at one time, but putting an airhead that close to the Presidency was totally unacceptable.

I liked McCain too but by Summer of 2008, he had completely sold out to what he had proclaimed to be against in 2000. I was voting Dem no matter what- I’m a lifelong liberal after all but until McCain chose Palin, I felt comfortable with the idea of McCain succeeding W. I was wrong. McCain in many ways is worse than Dubya.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:05:56am

re: #311 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I liked McCain at one time, but putting an airhead that close to the Presidency was totally unacceptable.

I’d rather have her in the WH than Trump.

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plansbandc  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:06:06am

re: #311 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I was ready to vote for McCain until he picked Palin. I could not put her anywhere NEAR the Presidency.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:06:07am

re: #260 Ace-o-aces

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Of course he hopes so. There is no Democrat closer to being as unpopular as Trump is than Clinton. Unless Ted Cruz becomes a Democrat and wins the nomination.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:06:35am

re: #316 The Vicious Babushka

I’d rather have her in the WH than Trump.

That’s a truly scary statement.

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Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:06:35am

re: #312 HappyWarrior

If you want to see how two faced the American public is about war heroes, look at how Kerry was treated by the Bush campaign and its allies. One can disagree with how Kerry acted in VVAW all they want but the Swifties trashed his service record and the RNC mocked his Purple Hearts.

The way Kerry was treated was horrendous, but the treatment of Max Cleland reaches a whole new level. Starting with the accusations (both public and private) that he’d lied about his injuries to cover up for the grenade he dove on being his own.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:06:56am

re: #313 Targetpractice

It still amazes me how Jimmy Kimmel and Adam Carolla ended up splitting from that show and following totally different trajectories, with Jimmy ended up with his own late-nite talk show that is constantly getting attention while Carolla went on to be a Fox News “commentator” and eventually just fading into podcast obscurity.

Adam was on Loveline with Dr. Drew for a long time too. I think Jimmy’s done quite well for himself. It amazes me how much hate he gets from the right. He’s actually pretty generous to a lot of Republicans- a lot more kinder to Graham and McCain than I would be. I don’t even think he’s all that political but he sees Trump as the joke that he is and he wants all children to be able to have the same chance his son did and he wants to be able to prevent the possibility of other Las Vegas’s happening again so that makes him a “leftist” somehow.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:07:18am

re: #318 Big Beautiful Door

Of course he hopes so. There is no Democrat closer to being as unpopular as Trump is than Clinton. Unless Ted Cruz becomes a Democrat and wins the nomination.

Oh please don’t give them ideas.

Half /

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:07:27am

re: #316 The Vicious Babushka

I’d rather have her in the WH than Trump.

The only difference would be that we’d have our first female President, and she’d be a terrible embarrassment, which people would use against any woman running for President.

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Citizen K  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:07:35am

re: #320 Targetpractice

The way Kerry was treated was horrendous, but the treatment of Max Cleland reaches a whole new level. Starting with the accusations (both public and private) that he’d lied about his injuries to cover up for the grenade he dove on being his own.

Not to mention managing to get the ‘terrorist sympathizer’ bullshit to stick on him.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:07:48am

re: #320 Targetpractice

The way Kerry was treated was horrendous, but the treatment of Max Cleland reaches a whole new level. Starting with the accusations (both public and private) that he’d lied about his injuries to cover up for the grenade he dove on being his own.

Fucking Coulter. But yes Cleland. I always had a lot of respect for him. That poor guy got treated horribly.

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alloutofcrazyhere  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:07:56am

re: #309 The Vicious Babushka

I didn’t have much of a political opinion until 2000.

Beforehand, I knew what I believed, but I stayed pretty hands off with politics.

A combination of getting older, seeing what a complete imbecile George W was, and life circumstances changed that quick.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:08:08am

re: #267 HappyWarrior

I’ve made the point here that Ivanka is somewhat more repulsive than her father.

Its almost impossible to be more repulsive than Donald. Donald is Harvey Weinstein, except uglier and more malevolent.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:08:53am

re: #314 sagehen

There’s nothing frum about either of them. Jared doesn’t wear a yarmulke, Ivanka’s hair is uncovered and she wears form-fitting sleeveless dresses hemmed at mid-thigh, and we’ve seen them doing political appearances and fundraisers on the Sabbath.

I give 3-1 odds if photographers were allowed to follow them around, we’d see her eating shrimp wrapped in bacon.

I really don’t care if someone doesn’t practice all the ceremonial rituals, dress code & dietary laws AS LONG AS THEY DON’T BRAG ABOUT HOW FREAKING RELIGIOUS THEY ARE. Then I will nitpick each and every trivial violation.

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sagehen  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:09:39am

re: #265 HappyWarrior

Right, Israel itself has women and gays serving in the armed forces. A socialized health care system. Tax payer funded abortion IIRC.

Elective abortion in Israel is taxpayer funded (up to the cut-off date) if the woman is under 18, over 40, active-duty military, or if the pregnancy was caused by a crime.

A woman who doesn’t fit any of those categories but wants an abortion anyway for her own reasons… has to go to a private doctor and pay for it herself.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:09:51am

re: #327 Big Beautiful Door

Its almost impossible to be more repulsive than Donald. Donald is Harvey Weinstein, except uglier and more malevolent.

Hear me out, with Trump, you see what you’re getting. Ivanka sells herself as a person who cares about people. Trump is the asshole that will kick you in the nuts. Ivanka is the person who will sucker punch you in the back and then say she didn’t do it.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:10:12am

re: #329 sagehen

Elective abortion in Israel is taxpayer funded (up to the cut-off date) if the woman is under 18, over 40, active-duty military, or if the pregnancy was caused by a crime.

A woman who doesn’t fit any of those categories but wants an abortion anyway for her own reasons… has to go to a private doctor and pay for it herself.

Gotcha, thanks.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:10:49am

re: #311 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I liked McCain at one time, but putting an airhead that close to the Presidency was totally unacceptable.

I was still a registered Republican in 2000 and voted for him in the primaries…until Karl Rove took care him.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:12:45am

re: #332 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I was still a registered Republican in 2000 and voted for him in the primaries…until Karl Rove took care him.

Bradley vs McCain would have been a lot more interesting election. I was all for Gore that year but I admit I was only 13 and just a reflection of my parents and grandparents. No regrets of course . I think Gore would have been a decent president and better than W. I didn’t like Lieberman though. Man what an awful choice that was by Gore. Dems have gotten better at choosing VPs since Lieberman and Edwards- though in fairness to Kerry, no one knew what a dingus JE was.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:13:11am

re: #332 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I was still a registered Republican in 2000 and voted for him in the primaries…until Karl Rove took care him.

It’s interesting how good people will support a bad party because they think of themselves as associated with the party, until some last straw breaks the camel’s back, and they see how mistaken they were. I hope this continues to happen as the Republicans get more and more extreme.

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Renaissance_Man  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:13:30am

re: #327 Big Beautiful Door

Its almost impossible to be more repulsive than Donald. Donald is Harvey Weinstein, except uglier and more malevolent.

And Harvey Weinstein has had a successful career in his field, producing something of value. Trump can’t even claim that.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:13:37am

So, just got done watching Disaster Zone: Volcano in New York and whew! was it atrocious. Makes Plan 9 From Outer Space look like Blade Runner.

imdb.com

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sagehen  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:15:05am

re: #212 CongoJack

All I remember of TOS are tribbles (and the original movies - Kahn and having go back in time to steal whales).

“Piece of the Action” — wherein they discover a society based around a book about 1920’s Chicago gangsters.

“City on the Edge of Forever” — wherein peace activist Joan Collins has to be run over by a car so she doesn’t keep the US out of WWII and the Nazis don’t win.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:15:47am

re: #303 CongoJack

And 2004 the original rat fucking - with the “swift boating” of Kerry. I was a young moron back then and the swift boating worked on me (sadly, and I regret it, this was the 1st presidential election I was able to vote in - turned 18 in 2002). Told myself afterwards that would never happen to me again and then I started to pay more attention.

When I was young and stupid, I voted for Reagan.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:16:59am

re: #334 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

It’s interesting how good people will support a bad party because they think of themselves as associated with the party, until some last straw breaks the camel’s back, and they see how mistaken they were. I hope this continues to happen as the Republicans get more and more extreme.

I never supported the GOP, I registered Republican to vote for Evan Mecham in the GOP gubernatorial primary in 1986, because I like both the Democratic candidates but saw Mecham as the candidate least likely to get a majority.

Well, I was right, but there was a rift in the Democratic party, and one of them ran as an Independent candidate, splitting the vote, and Ev Mecham went on to win with a plurality and became one of the biggest embarrassments that Arizona has experienced (and they know some whoppers) until he resigned from office to escape impeachment.

Last time I try to play Machiavellian…

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sagehen  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:17:28am

re: #284 Jay C

Must be the latest RW talking point going around: ISTR that (?yesterday?) somebody here posed a similar tweet from some hack or other blathering about how Trump was going to sweep the EC next election….

Depends how thorough the voter suppression project is…

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:17:43am

re: #337 sagehen

“Piece of the Action” — wherein they discover a society based around a book about 1920’s Chicago gangsters.

“City on the Edge of Forever” — wherein peace activist Joan Collins has to be run over by a car so she doesn’t keep the US out of WWII and the Nazis don’t win.

Joan Collins was so young and beautiful in that episode.

The backdoor pilot episode Assignment: Earth had a really young Teri Garr.
It’s too bad it didn’t get picked up.

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BlackPearl  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:19:30am

re: #337 sagehen

“City on the Edge of Forever” — wherein peace activist Joan Collins has to be run over by a car so she doesn’t keep the US out of WWII and the Nazis don’t win.

Written by Harlan Ellison, who much later wrote a book about how they butchered his script. Which I own, because he’s brilliant, but roll my eyes at it a lot because he’s whiny. :)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:19:48am

re: #337 sagehen

“Piece of the Action” — wherein they discover a society based around a book about 1920’s Chicago gangsters.

“City on the Edge of Forever” — wherein peace activist Joan Collins has to be run over by a car so she doesn’t keep the US out of WWII and the Nazis don’t win.

Ah, yes, those classic “We-are-all-out-of-budget-for-sci-fi-sets, so-use-these-from-Ancient-Rome/World War 2/the Roaring-20’s/Westerns” episodes…

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:20:10am

Highest office I’ve voted R for was the House. I liked and respected our long time Congressman, Frank Wolf because he got me interested in Human Rights issues. He even recommended a book by Obama’s future UN Ambassador, Samantha Powers which is why I found it laughable when the right tried to make her out to be some radical. I even met his grandson this past spring when I was working at my precinct and told him that while I disagreed with his grandpa, I did respect him and appreciate his office for having good constituent service. Disappointed to know he’s supporting that racist pig, Gillespie, not surprised though, FW’s a Republican all the way.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:22:20am

re: #342 BlackPearl

Written by Harlan Ellison, who much later wrote a book about how they butchered his script. Which I own, because he’s brilliant, but roll my eyes at it a lot because he’s whiny. :)

I’ve enjoyed a lot of Harlan’s work, but he’s a complete jerk. There’s all the whining, and he had a tendency to hit on women in front of their boyfriends and husbands.
You learn more than you want to know about famous people at conventions.

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MsJ  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:22:32am

re: #320 Targetpractice

The way Kerry was treated was horrendous, but the treatment of Max Cleland reaches a whole new level. Starting with the accusations (both public and private) that he’d lied about his injuries to cover up for the grenade he dove on being his own.

That’s the one that kills me, too. It was the most disrespectful thing I have ever seen in my life (up until that point, now, pffft, I expect it. (Sigh)).

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sagehen  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:24:37am

re: #323 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

The only difference would be that we’d have our first female President, and she’d be a terrible embarrassment, which people would use against any woman running for President.

Veep Season 4: Episode #5 Clip #3: Amy’s Moment (HBO)

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:25:50am

re: #347 sagehen

I’ll hit play on that when I get home.
I keep meaning to watch Veep, but never get to it.

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makeitstop  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:26:05am

Russian bots flock to Roy Moore… 30K of ‘em.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:26:09am

re: #346 MsJ

That’s the one that kills me, too. It was the most disrespectful thing I have ever seen in my life (up until that point, now, pffft, I expect it. (Sigh)).

It’s why while I appreciate the Never Trumpers on the right, I certainly don’t trust or respect them that much.

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MsJ  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:27:07am

re: #330 HappyWarrior

Hear me out, with Trump, you see what you’re getting. Ivanka sells herself as a person who cares about people. Trump is the asshole that will kick you in the nuts. Ivanka is the person who will sucker punch you in the back and then say she didn’t do it.

Trump, to a point, is a product of his age. A lot of older people are racist as fuck. His father was and he is.

Ivanka is just a (GRRR…nevermind). She is an entitled, lying witch who appears to be human but is as much an alien asshole as her father is. She just looks better doing it.

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plansbandc  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:28:10am

Off topic, but I am loving this new song from Lee Ann Womack. Bluesy Americana Country…

Lee Ann Womack - Sunday (Official Audio)

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:30:25am

re: #351 MsJ

Trump, to a point, is a product of his age. A lot of older people are racist as fuck. His father was and he is.

Ivanka is just a (GRRR…nevermind). She is an entitled, lying witch who appears to be human but is as much an alien asshole as her father is. She just looks better doing it.

Trump’s father being racist, I can understand, but Trump is my father’s age, and my father isn’t at all racist. I never met my Grandfather, since he was shot and killed while trying to break up a fight before I was born, so I don’t know if he was racist, but it seems like he was a good guy.

I understand that rural people lag behind us on racism, but Trump is from New York City!

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:31:09am

re: #351 MsJ

Trump, to a point, is a product of his age. A lot of older people are racist as fuck. His father was and he is.

Ivanka is just a (GRRR…nevermind). She is an entitled, lying witch who appears to be human but is as much an alien asshole as her father is. She just looks better doing it.

Thank you, said it better than I could.

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dangerman  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:31:28am

re: #328 The Vicious Babushka

I really don’t care if someone doesn’t practice all the ceremonial rituals, dress code & dietary laws AS LONG AS THEY DON’T BRAG ABOUT HOW FREAKING RELIGIOUS THEY ARE. Then I will nitpick each and every trivial violation.

the truly religious don’t brag

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Sea Mexican!  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:35:02am

re: #234 ObserverArt

Speaking of Puerto Rico. I have still not heard anything from my friend on the island of Vieques. I have no idea what to think.

I hope she’s ok. María devastated Vieques. From what little I’ve heard, one of the pet shelters there will be closing because it was heavily damaged. :’(

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MsJ  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:36:40am

re: #353 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Trump’s father being racist, I can understand, but Trump is my father’s age, and my father isn’t at all racist. I never met my Grandfather, since he was shot and killed while trying to break up a fight before I was born, so I don’t know if he was racist, but it seems like he was a good guy.

I understand that rural people lag behind us on racism, but Trump is from New York City!

Trump’s father wasn’t your average racist…he was a virulent racist who instilled into his son that them blahs were bad tenants, bad for business, and god only knows what else. There are far more racists of Trump’s age than say my age (late 50s). And trump, himself, is a truly despicable person all the way around. He’s not just a racist…he is every ist and phobe possible, an all around, well rounded to hate everyone who won’t grovel at his feet piece of shit.

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Belafon  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:39:08am

The big sciency announcement today is that they detected the collision of two neutron stars. A cool effect is that the gravitational and electromagnetic waves were detected simultaneously, meaning that gravitational waves travel at the speed of light.

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MsJ  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:41:00am

re: #234 ObserverArt

Speaking of Puerto Rico. I have still not heard anything from my friend on the island of Vieques. I have no idea what to think.

Are you on facebook? There is a group of veterans who have been getting food and water to people in western PR. Jason Maddy. He is also looking for people who have not been heard from. They have a website setup to enter information about people you’re trying to find.

Hopefully this will work.

facebook.com

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:42:24am

re: #358 Belafon

The big sciency announcement today is that they detected the collision of two neutron stars. A cool effect is that the gravitational and electromagnetic waves were detected simultaneously, meaning that gravitational waves travel at the speed of light.

I thought we already knew that. I’ve seen mention that if the sun were to disappear, our orbit would continue on its current path for a little over 8 minutes, until the sun visibly disappeared.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:42:31am

Whoot. Got my mom’s other grandfather’s naturalization petition. No photo unfortunately but still very neat to have this.

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Belafon  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:43:31am

re: #360 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I thought we already knew that. I’ve seen mention that if the sun were to disappear, our orbit would continue on its current path for a little over 8 minutes, until the sun visibly disappeared.

That’ was always the theory. But we’ve never made the sun disappear to test it.

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CongoJack  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:44:17am

re: #358 Belafon

I’d love to know (though I am likely not smart enough) what kind of elements would be created by that collision. I also wonder if those 2 starts combining would have enough mass and fission fuel to turn it back into a red dwarf or near a regular G type star.

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Sea Mexican!  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:44:24am

re: #359 MsJ

Thank you for this information!

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Belafon  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:45:49am

re: #363 CongoJack

From the liveblog:

Analysis of the electromagnetic data has confirmed for the first time ever that heavy elements such as gold, platinum and uranium originate in neutron star collisions.

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JordanRules  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:47:36am

Speaking of Ivana Jr

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lawhawk  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:49:18am

re: #363 CongoJack

I’d love to know (though I am likely not smart enough) what kind of elements would be created by that collision. I also wonder if those 2 starts combining would have enough mass and fission fuel to turn it back into a red dwarf or near a regular G type star.

I was reading that they were detecting heavier elements, including gold and platinum resulting from the collision.

The combination of the two neutron stars would result in a cataclysmic explosion but the mass is so dense that we’d see the formation of a black hole.

iflscience.com

npr.org

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Belafon  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:51:37am

There are now three gravitational wave detectors on earth, which means that we can use them for determining the direction of the source as well.

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makeitstop  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:52:17am

re: #366 JordanRules

Speaking of Ivana Jr

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Hm. She and Pence had Big Chicken tossed and gave Flynn carte blanche, eh?

Robert Mueller, take note. Either Evita is the stupidest Trump of all, or she’s all in on Team Collusion.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:55:02am

re: #357 MsJ

Trump’s father wasn’t your average racist…he was a virulent racist who instilled into his son that them blahs were bad tenants, bad for business, and god only knows what else. There are far more racists of Trump’s age than say my age (late 50s). And trump, himself, is a truly despicable person all the way around. He’s not just a racist…he is every ist and phobe possible, an all around, well rounded to hate everyone who won’t grovel at his feet piece of shit.

A psychiatrist could make an entire career treating Trump’s various neuroses.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:55:16am

re: #365 Belafon

From the liveblog:

Alchemy works. We’ll be rich, we just need to find some neutron stars and bang them together!

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MsJ  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:56:27am

A favor from my peeps on Twitter…

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Belafon  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:56:46am

re: #367 lawhawk

I was reading that they were detecting heavier elements, including gold and platinum resulting from the collision.

The combination of the two neutron stars would result in a cataclysmic explosion but the mass is so dense that we’d see the formation of a black hole.

iflscience.com

I read somewhere that our sun is the third iteration of a star that occupies this part of the Milky Way. All of this brings up some very interesting questions about how we (being the solar system) were made.

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dangerman  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:59:00am

re: #371 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Alchemy works. We’ll be rich, we just need to find some neutron stars and bang them together!

you go scoop the stuff up. I’ll wait here…

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:03:47am

re: #374 dangerman

you go scoop the stuff up. I’ll wait here…

I thought it might not be possible to scoop up neutrons, but it’s just really difficult.
nature.com

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:10:55am

re: #355 dangerman

the truly religious don’t brag

People bragging and showing off their religiosity was an issue in the time of Jesus, and also in the time of Isaiah.

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John Carter  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:12:07am

re: #176 Dr Lizardo

I’ve debated with students of mine who (oddly) insist that the Star Wars franchise is “sci-fi”.

No. It’s space opera with elements of sword and sorcery and sci-fi. It’s a gussied-up modern take on Flash Gordon Conquers the Universe.

The genre is not new. It is called “Sword and Planet”. see John Carpenter as a well known example. Yes, Flash Gordon, Guardians of the Galaxy etc.

The genre gained popularity around the turn of the last century and remains so to this day.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:14:05am

re: #377 John Carter

The genre is not new. It is called “Sword and Planet”. see John Carpenter as a well known example. Yes, Flash Gordon, Guardians of the Galaxy etc.

Nice nickname for a post on this topic.

I hadn’t heard the term before, but it was coined in 1960.
en.wikipedia.org

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gocart mozart  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:15:04am

re: #369 makeitstop

Hm. She and Pence had Big Chicken tossed and gave Flynn carte blanche, eh?

Big Chicken prosecuted her father-in-law but also, isn’t she bff with Putin’s girlfriend?

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ObserverArt  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:41:32am

re: #356 Le Coquí Résistance

I hope she’s ok. María devastated Vieques. From what little I’ve heard, one of the pet shelters there will be closing because it was heavily damaged. :’(

Thanks for the info. I wonder if that is the shelter my friend helped. She volunteered to walk the doggies and other stuff. I figured things were a huge mess and she hasn’t had time or even the ability to communicate.

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ObserverArt  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:44:35am

re: #359 MsJ

Are you on facebook? There is a group of veterans who have been getting food and water to people in western PR. Jason Maddy. He is also looking for people who have not been heard from. They have a website setup to enter information about people you’re trying to find.

Hopefully this will work.

facebook.com

No I am not on Facebook. And the guy you mention probably is busy on the PR mainland island. My friend lives on the island to the East.

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ObserverArt  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:47:05am

re: #369 makeitstop

Hm. She and Pence had Big Chicken tossed and gave Flynn carte blanche, eh?

Robert Mueller, take note. Either Evita is the stupidest Trump of all, or she’s all in on Team Collusion.

Both.

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Romantic Heretic  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:03:58pm

re: #342 BlackPearl

My own opinion of Mr. Ellison is that he is a brilliant writer but a festering scebaceous cyst of a human being.

‘Repent Harlequin!’ Said the Ticktockman and I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream are two of the finest short stories in the English language.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:05:42pm

re: #383 Romantic Heretic

My own opinion of Mr. Ellison is that he is a brilliant writer but a festering scebaceous cyst of a human being.

‘Repent Harlequin!’ Said the Ticktockman and I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream are two of the finest short stories in the English language.

IHNMAIMS is also a pretty good DOS PC game.
en.wikipedia.org
It’s available on Steam, still works on modern PCs, and plays well with the Steam controller.


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