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MsJ  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:57:06am

Please forgive me for going OT right away. A favor from my peeps on Twitter…

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CongoJack  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:57:34am

Thanks for the neat data in the prior thread about the star collision.

Side note: my wife is starting to have contractions. So my kid is not far away from being born. Thus I am heading out. I’ll have a baby picture in tow the next time I am here hopefully :).

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Charles Johnson  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:58:07am
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S'latch  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:59:08am

I’m so sick and tired of this “winning” or whatever it is.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:59:30am

re: #3 Charles Johnson

Trump boasts that his right wing judicial appointments will have “consequences 40 years out.”

Which means that even if we get rid of him tomorrow, it will take decades to undo the damage

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Kragar  Oct 16, 2017 • 10:59:52am

re: #3 Charles Johnson

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Kragar  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:01:04am

re: #5 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Which means that even if we get rid of him tomorrow, it will take decades to undo the damage

The nutters he’s been appointed could be impeached for gross incompetence if we had sensible elected officials.

So we’re going to be stuck with them for years

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Charles Johnson  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:01:05am
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Citizen K  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:01:07am

re: #3 Charles Johnson

40 years, if we’re lucky.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:02:11am

re: #8 Charles Johnson

Trump just repeated the outright lie that the US is “the highest taxed country in the world.” AGAIN.

Presidents who disseminate Fake News should have their licences revoked…

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:02:42am
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Renaissance_Man  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:02:54am

re: #3 Charles Johnson

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Second true statement I can remember him saying.

(First being that he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and they would still support him.)

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lawhawk  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:04:21am

re: #3 Charles Johnson

Fact check: TRUE.

Elections have consequences, and this is the most far reaching consequence.

Trump inserted Gorsuch into the stolen seat. That’s the highest profile position, but there are judicial nominations across the federal judiciary, and they’re stacking them with know-nothing regressives, or those intent on sabotaging functioning government and bringing a reversal to civil and voting rights as well as abortion and birth control access.

The GOP is rubber stamping all this because they think they get to win the culture war and put blacks and minorities back in their rightful place.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:04:31am

re: #3 Charles Johnson

Of course he does. It’s the reason that the people who want a dark age voted for him.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:04:46am

re: #11 FormerDirtDart

Trump says he’ll formally declare an opioid emergency “next week,” down from the usual two weeks.
— Daniel Dale

So, it’s not an emergency this week, but probably will be next week?

/

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:05:10am
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Sir John Barron  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:06:07am

re: #8 Charles Johnson

Since we know that Drumpster Fire doesn’t pay taxes on his yuuuuuge billions of dollars, who is it that is paying all these highest taxes in the world?

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Charles Johnson  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:06:48am
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Kragar  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:07:11am

re: #15 Sir John Barron

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:08:21am

re: #18 Charles Johnson

Not a single reporter at this press conference called him out on this lie.

If any reporters should have their licences revoked, it is ones like that…

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Charles Johnson  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:09:20am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:10:35am

re: #21 Charles Johnson

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Huh.

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Kragar  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:10:37am

re: #19 Kragar

From back in August

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:11:24am

re: #21 Charles Johnson

That’s just his language skills failing because of the dementia. It’s time to put Grandpa in a home.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:11:38am

What a fucking child

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lawhawk  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:12:41am

Trump sees dead people…. He wrote them personal letters.

Trump sees the US with highest tax rates in world. US has below average effective tax rates on corporations and individuals. Total tax burden is lower here than the average - OECD stats make that abundantly clear.

Trump lies about taxes, and that’s easily debunked because his positions are so extreme, and yet media doesn’t challenge him.

Trump lies about everything, and the media just sits there as hagiographers. They don’t do journalism. They just regurgitate what Trump’s spewing.

You can’t tell me that none of those reporters know anything about the taxes or other issues.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:13:04am
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Kragar  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:13:24am

re: #26 Dr. Matt

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:13:49am

I can’t stand the sound of his nasal, whining voice.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:14:00am

re: #28 FormerDirtDart

What are U.S. troops doing in Niger anyway? UN peacekeeping?

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Stanley Sea  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:14:29am

??

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:15:06am

Mitch standing there looks like he swallowed a dog turd.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:15:17am

re: #28 FormerDirtDart

Trump says he prefers to call troop KIA families “when it’s appropriate.” Letters will be going out “either today or tomorrow.”

The check is in the mail!

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:15:24am
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Kragar  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:15:25am

re: #31 Sir John Barron

What are U.S. troops doing in Niger anyway? UN peacekeeping?

Special Forces ops

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:15:26am

re: #20 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Those are the people who should have their licences revoked…

They’ll have their access revoked if they speak truth to power. We need laws that determine who is in the press room, rather than the whims of a despot.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:15:45am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:16:07am

re: #37 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

They’ll have their access revoked if they speak truth to power. We need laws that determine who is in the press room, rather than the whims of a despot.

you just summed up the crux of the problem

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:17:10am

re: #35 FormerDirtDart

The only thing he says that’s true is “I’m Donald Trump”.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:18:54am
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Sir John Barron  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:19:55am

re: #36 Kragar

Special Forces ops

Are we helping pursue the ones who kidnapped all those girls a few years ago (and may be continuing for all I know)?

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Belafon  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:19:58am

re: #41 Charles Johnson

He was also told he won the popular vote in a landslide.

Edit: That’s his “oh shit I’ve been caught” phrase. It’s still not his fault.

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Skip Intro  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:21:26am

re: #22 HappyWarrior

Huh.

He sent them to the dead letter box.

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makeitstop  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:21:31am

re: #43 Belafon

He was also told he won the popular vote in a landslide.

Edit: That’s his “oh shit I’ve been caught” phrase. It’s still not his fault.

Bingo.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:22:00am

re: #43 Belafon

He was also told he won the popular vote in a landslide.

Edit: That’s his “oh shit I’ve been caught” phrase. It’s still not his fault.

OK, yeah, I pulled that one out of my as* about Obama not calling the families of KIA. OK? But somebody told me. I don’t know. Don’t challenge me on these things. Who are you, Fake News?

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Charles Johnson  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:22:02am
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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:22:03am
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Sir John Barron  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:22:39am

re: #47 Charles Johnson

“Many people are saying….”

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Kragar  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:22:57am

re: #42 Sir John Barron

Are we helping pursue the ones who kidnapped all those girls a few years ago (and may be continuing for all I know)?

Boko Haram. Most likely, although Trump just sabotaged our efforts against fighting them.

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Kragar  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:23:17am
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Sir John Barron  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:23:22am

re: #48 The Vicious Babushka

So, he’s not denying he colluded.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:24:04am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:24:33am

re: #41 Charles Johnson

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:25:01am

re: #54 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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Bingo.

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gocart mozart  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:25:31am

re: #12 Renaissance_Man

Second true statement I can remember him saying.

(First being that he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and they would still support him.)

Third is “Ted Cruz is a liar’

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:26:10am

re: #48 The Vicious Babushka

Every time he does this, he betrays America.

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Renaissance_Man  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:26:11am

re: #53 Charles Johnson

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He doesn’t actually need to hold press conferences, just show that morning’s tape of FOX and Friends. That’s got all he knows for the day.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:26:13am
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lawhawk  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:26:26am
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TedStriker  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:27:04am

re: #5 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Which means that even if we get rid of him tomorrow, it will take decades to undo the damage

And he fucking loves it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:27:34am

re: #61 TedStriker

And he fucking loves it.

as do his voters, all 67 million of them

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Sir John Barron  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:27:38am

re: #60 lawhawk

“Anybody would have taken that meeting…collusion isn’t a crime, not illegal!”

/

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Charles Johnson  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:28:00am
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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:28:32am
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lawhawk  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:28:55am

86.3% of Puerto Rico is still without power.

This is easily obtained stats from status.pr

The media continues to give Trump a pass on the disaster in Puerto Rico. It’s a disaster response that makes Bush’s response after Katrina look downright competent.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:29:17am

re: #60 lawhawk

With this maniac constantly lying to cover for the criminal acts of the people around him, I expect the administration to suddenly collapse like a house of cards. It’s rotten from top to bottom.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:30:01am
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JordanRules  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:30:31am
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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:30:55am

JFC

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Sir John Barron  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:31:56am

re: #64 Charles Johnson

He’s a perpetual outrage machine generator, projecting from all the actual outrage he’s committing.

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lawhawk  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:32:06am

re: #70 The Vicious Babushka

Clinton lives rent free in Trump’s addled mind.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:32:25am

re: #70 The Vicious Babushka

JFC

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Belafon  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:32:44am

re: #64 Charles Johnson

Sounds like Trump’s not going to get what he hoped for. Oh, the players will stop kneeling, but the NFL is reportedly going to be doing more to help with issues the players are protesting.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:33:04am

re: #72 lawhawk

Clinton lives rent free in Trump’s addled mind.

It’s just a trigger word for the propagandized rubes who still support him.

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TedStriker  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:34:16am

re: #72 lawhawk

Clinton lives rent free in Trump’s addled mind.

At this rate, by 2020, he’s not even going to know his own fucking name, never mind who Hillary is.

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wrenchwench  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:34:17am

Somehow this is making me think the fires in California are tapering.

(It’s a ‘prescribed burn’, which they used to call ‘controlled burns’ until one got away.)

(Named for the Dinkey Creek, not its size)

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:36:46am
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Citizen K  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:37:16am

Christ.

This level of mendacity is simply exhausting to parse through, especially when it goes simply unchallenged by those who have the greatest duty to do so, both in media and in Washington.

It simply feels too impenetrable to do anything about.

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:37:30am
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wrenchwench  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:40:20am

re: #80 Single-handed sailor

California fires containment status

Nicely done page. Thanks!

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:40:48am

Goddamn he lies about everything.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:41:53am

re: #79 Citizen K

Christ.

This level of mendacity is simply exhausting to parse through, especially when it goes simply unchallenged by those who have the greatest duty to do so, both in media and in Washington.

It simply feels too impenetrable to do anything about.

The exhaustion is what he’s counting on.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:42:24am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:42:30am

Are the Trekkie Trolls fuming yet? A gay interracial love subplot on ST Discovery!!!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:43:32am

re: #84 FormerDirtDart

“Trump says X” is not a sufficient tweet/headline when what Trump says is a lie. It makes things worse

The only reporters DT would licence are mere stenographers.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:44:27am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:44:45am

re: #78 FormerDirtDart

I left a comment

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:45:04am

re: #84 FormerDirtDart

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I really really hope our surviving President all unite and tell him that he’s a fucking liar over this. I didn’t like President Bush but I do know that he did talk to parents who lost their children.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:45:31am

re: #84 FormerDirtDart

Trump on soldiers killed in Niger: “President Obama and other presidents, most of them didn’t make calls … I call when it’s appropriate.”
— Axios

“George Washington never called either. At least that’s what I’m told. I call when I want and its appropriate. I’m the greatest president ever with the most accomplishments, believe me.”

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:45:44am

re: #82 HappyWarrior

Goddamn he lies about everything.

I really think he can’t help himself. He’s a pathological liar.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:46:07am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:46:36am

re: #91 Dr Lizardo

I really think he can’t help himself. He’s a pathological liar.

He does not see it as lying, he is just creating content and filling air time…

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:46:57am

re: #89 HappyWarrior

I really really hope our surviving President all unite and tell him that he’s a fucking liar over this. I didn’t like President Bush but I do know that he did talk to parents who lost their children.

Bush was dangerously stupid, but back then Republicans still remembered how to be Americans. Now they’re an eliminationist cult.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:47:18am

re: #87 FormerDirtDart

Meanwhile, on planet Yargon—

re: #65 The Vicious Babushka

.@EricTrump: “You see the divisiveness in this country… then you get home and you hold this little 7-pound ball of love.” @JudgeJeanine
— Fox News

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:47:49am

re: #94 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Bush was dangerously stupid, but back then Republicans still remembered how to be Americans. Now they’re an eliminationist cult.

Correct. I never doubted his loyalty to the country. Thought he was wrong but I didn’t think he had Putin’s hand up his ass.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:48:03am

re: #94 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Bush was dangerously stupid, but back then Republicans still remembered how to be Americans. Now they’re an eliminationist cult.

I believe that Dubya was truly sincere in his stupidity and not a cynical manipulator.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:48:21am

re: #95 Sir John Barron

Meanwhile, on planet Yargon—

You know what, I’m happy for them. Having a child is a blessing. Now imagine the families that can’t afford health insurance for their children thanks to his Dad.

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wrenchwench  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:48:47am

I just slobbered up a ‘peel and stick’ envelope real good. Then I peeled it, then I stuck it. Doesn’t even need tape!

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HappyWarrior  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:49:21am

re: #97 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I believe that Dubya was truly sincere in his stupidity and not a cynical manipulator.

As much as I dislike W, I really think it would have been a different story if he hadn’t brought Cheney on board. He wouldn’t have been a great president by any means but Cheney combined with 9/11 made his administration worse.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:49:33am

re: #41 Charles Johnson

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All he’s doing is cya because HE HASN’T CALLED

so fucking damaged

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ObserverArt  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:50:55am

I have to give up trying to work and hanging out here. Ran out for some errands come back and go through previous thread where I left off and answering some comments directed to me…and ended up CLed. Sigh. I couldn’t answer them in this thread, that wouldn’t be right.

Oh well. The work is important.

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jaunte  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:51:21am

re: #101 Stanley Sea

“I will at some point during the period of time call the parents.”

The fabled Double Vague Evasion.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:51:28am
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Sir John Barron  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:52:04am

re: #103 jaunte

“I will at some point during the period of time call the parents.”

The fabled Double Vague Evasion.

“Next year while I’m campaigning. I’ll try to get them out to my rallies.”

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:52:39am
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Sir John Barron  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:53:24am

re: #103 jaunte

“I will at some point during the period of time call the parents.”

The fabled Double Vague Evasion.

“I’ll call when they beg me to call them. I don’t need to just call anybody. They should be grateful to me, the stock market, all the accomplishments.”

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jaunte  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:54:31am

Turtle becomes goat.

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scottslemmons  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:54:50am

re: #107 Sir John Barron

“I’ll call when they beg me to call them. I don’t need to just call anybody. They should be grateful to me, the stock market, all the accomplishments.”

“I like to call the families of people who didn’t die. Losers. Sad!”

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JordanRules  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:55:39am

re: #103 jaunte

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Mike Lamb  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:56:47am

re: #93 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He does not see it as lying, he is just creating content and filling air time…

That’s why he throws the meaningless bullshit caveat “People say…” (or some variant). He’s just repeating what he heard—not lying…

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JordanRules  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:57:34am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:57:43am

re: #106 FormerDirtDart

“Obamacare is gone, which proves I didn’t fail at repeal. Also, don’t blame my sabotage for your skyrocketing premiums, blame Obamacare”

“I didn’t do it and stop talking about my mother”

(quote from a serial rapist who was nonetheless once a great comic)

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Sir John Barron  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:58:43am

re: #112 JordanRules

Divisive liberals can’t take a joke, also what about those Shakespeare in the Park plays that killed Trump?!?!

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2017 • 11:59:10am

re: #111 Mike Lamb

That’s why he throws the meaningless bullshit caveat “People say…” (or some variant). He’s just repeating what he heard—not lying…

He shames himself every time he says that. He’s more wingnut blogger than President.

I think I’m getting a concussion from all the face-palming.

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Mike Lamb  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:00:41pm

re: #106 FormerDirtDart

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Aren’t these quotes going to be Exhibit 1 to the lawsuit on the CSR fuckery? He’s effectively admitting that he repealed the ACA by executive order.

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Weaselone  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:01:19pm

re: #87 FormerDirtDart

Marshall still repeated the lie. You never repeat the lie, regardless of the structure. You state the truth and the fact Trump lied. That is all.

Obama and other Presidents called to offer their condolences to the families of fallen soldiers. Trump lied when he stated otherwise.

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JordanRules  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:02:01pm

re: #116 Mike Lamb

Shades of Rudy G. and the travel ban.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:03:35pm

I’ve suspected that Conservatives were sociopaths and psychopaths ever since the phrase “bleeding-heart liberal” caught on as a way to try to insult people who have empathy for others.

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jaunte  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:04:11pm
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KGxvi  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:04:28pm

I’m old enough to remember the complaints that the wingularity had against Obama…

He was feckless
He didn’t speak about military personnel killed in action
He ruled by executive fiat
He was incompetent
He wasn’t actually smart
He was just a celebrity
He was corrupt
He was a criminal
He didn’t care about the First Amendment

And then they elect Donald Fucking Trump. It really is IMAX in space all the way down with these guys, isn’t it?

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jaunte  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:05:17pm
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Sir John Barron  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:05:30pm

re: #121 KGxvi

I’m old enough to remember the complaints that the wingularity had against Obama…

And then they elect Donald Fucking Trump. It really is IMAX in space all the way down with these guys, isn’t it?

Obama also used a teleprompter and said “I” in his speeches. And he was a constant campaigner, etc.

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KGxvi  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:06:35pm

re: #103 jaunte

“I will at some point during the period of time call the parents.”

The fabled Double Vague Evasion.

On Lovett or Leave It this weekend, they played a bit of Trump’s nonsense (I think for Ok, Stop), and Trump had a line something like, “I don’t have a schedule but if I did, I’d say I was ahead of it.” Lovett had the same reaction I did, which was basically “fuck, I wish I had a line like that in college as I was missing assignments.”

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plansbandc  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:07:17pm

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scottslemmons  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:07:23pm

re: #119 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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I’ve suspected that Conservatives were sociopaths and psychopaths ever since the phrase “bleeding-heart liberal” caught on as a way to try to insult people who have empathy for others.

And “Social Justice Warrior,” too.

I remember years ago when John Rogers at kungfumonkey wrote about some wingnut who’d written an essay claiming the Empire were the real heroes of “Star Wars.” The conservatives have been busy trying to claim evil is the real good for quite a while.

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Interesting Times  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:07:46pm

re: #117 Weaselone

Marshall still repeated the lie. You never repeat the lie, regardless of the structure. You state the truth and the fact Trump lied. That is all.

Obama and other Presidents called to offer their condolences to the families of fallen soldiers. Trump lied when he stated otherwise.

Bolded the whole damn thing because it’s that important. I’ve been saying this now for ages - don’t repeat the lie, repeat the actual facts! Hell, that’s what they said in the Amy Hoggart Full Frontal video posted in the previous threads - the more you repeat a lie, even for debunking purposes, the more you help it spread and become memorable, thus doing Cheeto Benito’s work for him.

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KGxvi  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:07:48pm

re: #123 Sir John Barron

Obama also used a teleprompter and said “I” in his speeches. And he was a constant campaigner, etc.

Ah, yes, forgot about those, but the teleprompter was just a more dog whistlely version of “he’s not smart” which was a more dog whistely version of “he’s a [expletive deleted] [expletive deleted] [n-bomb].”

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jaunte  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:08:06pm

re: #124 KGxvi

He’s lived a life unaccountable to anyone but daddy, and daddy’s dead.

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Mike Lamb  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:08:54pm

re: #121 KGxvi

I’m old enough to remember the complaints that the wingularity had against Obama…

And then they elect Donald Fucking Trump. It really is IMAX in space all the way down with these guys, isn’t it?

On the First Amendment things, everyone, including the “liberal media” went absolutely apoplectic when Obama’s press secretary stated that Fox wasn’t a real new organization. We now have a President leaning on companies/organizations (ESPN and the NFL) to fire people for expressing their opinion and trying to drum up support for in some way shutting down news outlets. And no one with a significant platform is really, really drilling down as to how fucked that all is.

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jaunte  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:09:01pm

Raging Infant with Nukes and Congress.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:09:33pm
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Sir John Barron  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:09:52pm

re: #128 KGxvi

Ah, yes, forgot about those, but the teleprompter was just a more dog whistlely version of “he’s not smart” which was a more dog whistely version of “he’s a [expletive deleted] [expletive deleted] [n-bomb].”

Although Obama was of course very smart, which was easy to tell, so I wasn’t quite sure what wingnuts were trying to claim when they crowed all the time about the teleprompter.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:10:15pm

re: #121 KGxvi

I’m old enough to remember the complaints that the wingularity had against Obama…

And then they elect Donald Fucking Trump. It really is IMAX in space all the way down with these guys, isn’t it?

Don’t forget that they called Obama a narcissist because they couldn’t say “uppity”, then elected an actual narcissist.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:11:10pm

re: #134 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Don’t forget that they called Obama a narcissist because they couldn’t say “uppity”, then elected an actual narcissist.

TRUMP HAS SACRIFICED SO MUCH HE DIDNT NEED THIS PRESIDENT JOB HE JUST WANTED TO MAGA!

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jaunte  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:12:04pm
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Belafon  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:12:11pm

re: #78 FormerDirtDart

You’re such a wimp, Richard, that you need the National Guard? Wimp.

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KGxvi  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:13:41pm

If I had the time, energy, or wherewithal to actually go through the dredges of the wingnutosphere to pull up all the complaints against Obama and then compare them to shit Trump has actually said and done, it’d probably make for some fun reading. But truth be told, I couldn’t bring myself to do that sort of project. I refuse to stare into the abyss while it screams back at me MAGA!

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Sir John Barron  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:13:46pm

re: #132 FormerDirtDart

I thought we were making that region more stable.

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JordanRules  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:14:07pm
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scottslemmons  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:15:30pm

re: #126 scottslemmons

And “Social Justice Warrior,” too.

I remember years ago when John Rogers at kungfumonkey wrote about some wingnut who’d written an essay claiming the Empire were the real heroes of “Star Wars.” The conservatives have been busy trying to claim evil is the real good for quite a while.

Found Rogers’ blog post, and I’d forgotten a lot of what it’d originally been about. Most of it was taking a wingnut movie reviewer to town about how Hollywood and the Oscars work, but the best bit is when the wingnut claims Star Wars, Episode III should’ve gotten an Oscar nod because it had the highest box office.

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dangerman  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:16:02pm

re: #41 Charles Johnson

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Because I always set my policies by doing the same as what the last guy did

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KGxvi  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:17:43pm

re: #140 JordanRules

They’d’ve really hated this guy:

I hate war as only a soldier who has lived it can, only as one who has seen its brutality, its stupidity.

DWIGHT D. EISENHOWER, speech, January 10, 1946

But isn’t that often the sentiment, to experience the costs of war, even second hand, is to realize that it is a fool’s gambit. Especially in this modern epoch.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:18:06pm
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mmmirele  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:19:14pm

Governor Skeletor of Florida has put a state of emergency in place for Gainesville in advance of Richard Spencer speaking there on Thursday. Additionally it is going to cost half a million dollars for National Guard troops to be on hand to protect that very punchable Nazi.

Why are they even giving this guy the time of day? That money could be better spent helping the victims of hurricane Irma.

rawstory.com

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jaunte  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:19:20pm
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dangerman  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:20:19pm

re: #121 KGxvi

I’m old enough to remember the complaints that the wingularity had against Obama…

And then they elect Donald Fucking Trump. It really is IMAX in space all the way down with these guys, isn’t it?

They set it all up so now we can’t use any of that

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JordanRules  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:21:24pm

re: #143 KGxvi

And it’s essential that those with the power to wage it not be damaged humans who somehow escape these realizations.

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KGxvi  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:21:48pm

re: #145 mmmirele

Governor Skeletor of Florida has put a state of emergency in place for Gainesville in advance of Richard Spencer speaking there on Thursday. Additionally it is going to cost half a million dollars for National Guard troops to be on hand to protect that very punchable Nazi.

Why are they even giving this guy the time of day? That money could be better spent helping the victims of hurricane Irma.

rawstory.com

If I were a billionaire, I’d pay the defense costs of any member of the National Guard that punched Spencer on behalf of the rest of us. Sadly, I am not a billionaire, so I can’t make that offer. And I know I should not take satisfaction in seeing another person punched in the face (possible exceptions of MMA and boxing, or a pro wrestling event getting stiff), but I mean, Spencer might be the exception that proves the rule?

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Charles Johnson  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:22:16pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:24:57pm

re: #146 jaunte

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JordanRules  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:26:22pm

Another Obama alum makes it plain.

Media, learn how to do this!

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:26:48pm

re: #145 mmmirele

Governor Skeletor of Florida has put a state of emergency in place for Gainesville in advance of Richard Spencer speaking there on Thursday. Additionally it is going to cost half a million dollars for National Guard troops to be on hand to protect that very punchable Nazi.

Why are they even giving this guy the time of day? That money could be better spent helping the victims of hurricane Irma.

rawstory.com

When Republicans aren’t trying to shut down NBC for reporting fake news, they fight hard for the 1st Amendment right of Nazis to speak on Campuses.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:29:44pm

re: #152 JordanRules

Another Obama alum makes it plain.

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Media, learn how to do this!

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:30:08pm
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JordanRules  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:32:20pm

3rd degree daaamn!!

He was responding to Newt’s tweet where he butchered the English language. Appears he may have deleted it.

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JordanRules  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:33:57pm
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Sir John Barron  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:35:29pm

re: #157 JordanRules

Oh yeah, I almost forgot, Obama golfed all the time, which was the go-to story for Fox News. Now?

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Sir John Barron  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:36:06pm

re: #144 FormerDirtDart

Translation: I have no idea what I’m doing.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:37:28pm
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Belafon  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:38:23pm

re: #145 mmmirele

Governor Skeletor of Florida has put a state of emergency in place for Gainesville in advance of Richard Spencer speaking there on Thursday. Additionally it is going to cost half a million dollars for National Guard troops to be on hand to protect that very punchable Nazi.

Why are they even giving this guy the time of day? That money could be better spent helping the victims of hurricane Irma.

rawstory.com

How else are they going to make fellow Nazis out as victims?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:39:19pm

re: #157 JordanRules

He’s a cornered animal.

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:40:03pm

In Saratoga Springs NY, SPAC says City Ballet will be reduced to 7 shows in 2018, loses one million dollars, and considers this a success.

Saratoga Performing Arts Center’s new executive director hailed the 2017 season as a success but announced the New York City Ballet’s residency will be shortened yet again.
The 2018 ballet season will be cut in half, from a two-week run in 2017 to just one week.
“I know that this is heartbreaking news for passionate ballet fans,” said SPAC’s President and CEO Elizabeth Sobol when reached on Sunday. “However, even though SPAC had a break-even year again in 2017, we are facing the need for some very significant investments in the organization and capital expenditures - particularly pertaining to the aging infrastructure at and around the venue.”
Sobol said the board decided to reduce City Ballet’s stay because it lost more than $1 million on the NYCB residency. She said continuing to lose money on the residency is “not prudent.”

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Belafon  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:42:56pm

re: #163 Shropshire Slasher

When I read what you cut, it doesn’t match your summary.

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ObserverArt  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:45:44pm

re: #145 mmmirele

Governor Skeletor of Florida has put a state of emergency in place for Gainesville in advance of Richard Spencer speaking there on Thursday. Additionally it is going to cost half a million dollars for National Guard troops to be on hand to protect that very punchable Nazi.

Why are they even giving this guy the time of day? That money could be better spent helping the victims of hurricane Irma.

rawstory.com

Thankfully, Ohio State University told Spencer no as far as speaking on their campus. Spencer’s lawyer is threatening to sue the school for not allowing him.

Good luck on suing OSU. But I bet the suit never comes about. I’ll be looking to see how this goes.

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:46:37pm

re: #164 Belafon

It doesn’t matter if it broke even or lost a million, it was a success!
(I am trying to be snarky)

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:47:36pm

For anyone interested in Virtual Reality, Pimax is working on a headset that gives the user a 200 degree field of view, and higher DPI than existing headsets. They’ve already successfully released a 4k (2K per eye) headset.

The goal was $200K, but they’re now closing in on $2 million with 17 days left.
kickstarter.com

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Belafon  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:49:07pm
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Belafon  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:50:20pm

re: #167 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

For anyone interested in Virtual Reality, Pimax is working on a headset that gives the user a 200 degree field of view, and higher DPI than existing headsets. They’ve already successfully released a 4k (2K per eye) headset.

The goal was $200K, but they’re now closing in on $2 million with 17 days left.
kickstarter.com

That’s cool. The closer they can get to me being able to do software development in a VR environment, the better.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:53:43pm

re: #169 Belafon

That’s cool. The closer they can get to me being able to do software development in a VR environment, the better.

I tried virtual monitors on the Vive, but the sub-pixels on the headset are so large that it’s useless for productivity, and hard to read even large text. That may change with the Pimax, and other next gen headsets as they come out.

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plansbandc  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:56:35pm

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m0nkeyb0y  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:57:07pm

re: #119 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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I’ve suspected that Conservatives were sociopaths and psychopaths ever since the phrase “bleeding-heart liberal” caught on as a way to try to insult people who have empathy for others.

Yes, I think “bleeding-heart liberal” was coined so Evangelicals can ignore Catholics’ and Liberals’ doing the hard work of living up to the Sermon on the Mount.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2017 • 12:59:12pm

This is why people who “aren’t politically correct” want us to be more like Russia.
The Weinstein Scandal Pulls Back the Curtain on Sex Abuse at the Bolshoi

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ObserverArt  Oct 16, 2017 • 1:00:53pm

re: #160 FormerDirtDart

joe mande ✔@JoeMande
Bye, y’all! I’m leaving!
2:55 PM - Oct 16, 2017

Good for him.

If people want Twitter to change that is the way to get it done.

The only way.

But yes, it is easy for me to say it, because I don’t use it.

I just hope more and more people decide to start to get this country back in line by dropping their accounts. Twitter and Facebook were apparently happy to allow their ‘tools’ to be used in the campaign. I have the feeling they will never say it, but I bet they see the results of the campaign as proof of how awesome they are and the power they have.

I would never help enable that. They fucked this country over. They should not be rewarded for it.

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Belafon  Oct 16, 2017 • 1:06:37pm

re: #174 ObserverArt

I’m currently not a big enough fish for leaving to make a difference, but if there’s a mass exodus, I will join in to help with the momentum.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Oct 16, 2017 • 1:09:40pm

re: #145 mmmirele

Governor Skeletor of Florida has put a state of emergency in place for Gainesville in advance of Richard Spencer speaking there on Thursday. Additionally it is going to cost half a million dollars for National Guard troops to be on hand to protect that very punchable Nazi.

Why are they even giving this guy the time of day? That money could be better spent helping the victims of hurricane Irma.

rawstory.com

Disgraceful.
At one time, National Guard troops had orders to shoot Nazis on sight. They did quite a bit of it too.
36th Infantry Division

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 16, 2017 • 1:11:15pm

Afternoon Lizardim from the beautiful, mild wild north country. Fall is in session here, the trees are turning, and the nights are getting colder. I seem to have missed something in this headline; exactly how much “winning” have these two jackwagons been doing? Doesn’t seem like much to me. Anyhow, how go things among the lizardfolk on this glorious October eve?

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 16, 2017 • 1:13:13pm

re: #135 Sir John Barron

TRUMP HAS SACRIFICED SO MUCH HE DIDNT NEED THIS PRESIDENT JOB HE JUST WANTED TO MAGA!

Yep, that and being up to his neck in hock to Putin.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 16, 2017 • 1:13:14pm

re: #171 plansbandc

Took me a few secs…..

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Sir John Barron  Oct 16, 2017 • 1:14:49pm

re: #168 Belafon

Bloomberg reports Jared Kushner’s plan to save his debt-laden office building 666 Fifth Avenue is falling apart
— Gabriel Sherman

Since Jared solved the Middle East crisis, shouldn’t he be eligible for a bailout?

/

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JordanRules  Oct 16, 2017 • 1:15:53pm

re: #175 Belafon

I understand this sentiment especially now but I have really complicated thoughts around it. Part of it is the many benefits I’ve seen for marginalized people.

They absolutely need to clean some things up, but even that should be attached to a larger conversation around national security, business and tech. And it should be aimed at everyone. Pinterest, as just one example, wasn’t spared in regards to Russian dirty tricks.

Some of these social media platforms are uncovering a lot of ugly shit, but taking them away won’t make the dung heaps go away.

Regulations maybe? I don’t know, but it’s not simple for me.

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wrenchwench  Oct 16, 2017 • 1:17:04pm

re: #174 ObserverArt

Good for him.

If people want Twitter to change that is the way to get it done.

The only way.

But yes, it is easy for me to say it, because I don’t use it.

I just hope more and more people decide to start to get this country back in line by dropping their accounts. Twitter and Facebook were apparently happy to allow their ‘tools’ to be used in the campaign. I have the feeling they will never say it, but I bet they see the results of the campaign as proof of how awesome they are and the power they have.

I would never help enable that. They fucked this country over. They should not be rewarded for it.

Do you FB? From your comment, it looks like ‘no’.

There was a ‘merchants meeting’ downtown here last Weds., and I mentioned to one friend that I never ‘see’ another friend anymore, because I gave up FB because they helped Trump. A well-respected downtown consultant said, ‘Good idea’. A couple days later I mentioned it to a customer (potential customer, may not ever return from 80 miles away) and she said, ‘But I like Trump.’ That reminded me of my old commitment to keep politics out of the store. Ya just never know.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 16, 2017 • 1:19:27pm

re: #182 wrenchwench

Do you FB? From your comment, it looks like ‘no’.

There was a ‘merchants meeting’ downtown here last Weds., and I mentioned to one friend that I never ‘see’ another friend anymore, because I gave up FB because they helped Trump. A well-respected downtown consultant said, ‘Good idea’. A couple days later I mentioned it to a customer (potential customer, may not ever return from 80 miles away) and she said, ‘But I like Trump.’ That reminded me of my old commitment to keep politics out of the store. Ya just never know.

My default position now is to simply not trust other white people until they prove themselves to not be monsters.

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ObserverArt  Oct 16, 2017 • 1:20:33pm

re: #175 Belafon

I’m currently not a big enough fish for leaving to make a difference, but if there’s a mass exodus, I will join in to help with the momentum.

I’m sure a lot of people feel that way. But little fish can make up a big school and that big school is needed.

It can be a sign for Democrats to show some fight too.

I have a feeling Twitter and Facebook are counting on people not schooling up.

Big things always start with one individual. Think Rosa Parks. It would have been easier for her to take that seat in the back of the bus. She was just one little person too.

I said I don’t have an account, so I am already not missing it and that is part of why I wonder why it is so hard to drop them if you want change.

Maybe the guy that posted that “I quit” Tweet will get the ball rolling. He is just one person too. More power to him.

I’ll shut up now. I’m nobody too.

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Belafon  Oct 16, 2017 • 1:21:24pm

re: #181 JordanRules

I understand this sentiment especially now but I have really complicated thoughts around it. Part of it is the many benefits I’ve seen for marginalized people.

They absolutely need to clean some things up, but even that should be attached to a larger conversation around national security, business and tech. And it should be aimed at everyone. Pinterest, as just one example, wasn’t spared in regards to Russian dirty tricks.

Some of these social media platforms are uncovering a lot of ugly shit, but taking them away, won’t make the dung heaps go away.

Regulations maybe? I don’t know, but it’s not simple for me.

A mass exodus is the only way Twitter will change, IMO. Either that, or a $2B GoFundMe. I don’t think you can get rid of Twitter; if it shut down, something else would take it’s place. (That’s why I suggested the other day that Charles create a replacement. I wouldn’t have to be phone number based since very few text from their phones.) It’s part of the way we communicate.

I think we’re also seeing the limits of ad based financial support. When you need two more eyeballs, you will let lots of things happen. We either need to start paying for it, bail on it en masse, or accept what is going on, in part because we’re never going to convince Twitter otherwise. Tide paying .0003 per view still has more power than those of us who do it for free.

Edited.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 16, 2017 • 1:23:16pm
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dangerman  Oct 16, 2017 • 1:23:20pm

Just made a 9x13 tray of bread pudding and about a gallon, ok 2 cups of bourbon whiskey sauce.

Camera and tech are causing trouble so no pix.

Trust me..at least on this..I really made it and we’re really eating it…

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Belafon  Oct 16, 2017 • 1:23:39pm

re: #184 ObserverArt

I’m sure a lot of people feel that way. But little fish can make up a big school and that big school is needed.

It can be a sign for Democrats to show some fight too.

I have a feeling Twitter and Facebook are counting on people not schooling up.

Big things always start with one individual. Think Rosa Parks. It would have been easier for her to take that seat in the back of the bus. She was just one little person too.

I said I don’t have an account, so I am already not missing it and that is part of why I wonder why it is so hard to drop them if you want change.

Maybe the guy that posted that “I quit” Tweet will get the ball rolling. He is just one person too. More power to him.

I’ll shut up now. I’m nobody too.

Rosa Parks did a lot of up front coordination with a whole lot of other people to make her “spontaneous event” work.

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ObserverArt  Oct 16, 2017 • 1:24:03pm

re: #182 wrenchwench

Do you FB? From your comment, it looks like ‘no’.

There was a ‘merchants meeting’ downtown here last Weds., and I mentioned to one friend that I never ‘see’ another friend anymore, because I gave up FB because they helped Trump. A well-respected downtown consultant said, ‘Good idea’. A couple days later I mentioned it to a customer (potential customer, may not ever return from 80 miles away) and she said, ‘But I like Trump.’ That reminded me of my old commitment to keep politics out of the store. Ya just never know.

No Facebook. No Twitter. The only thing social I have is a LinkedIn account and I don’t know why. I did it for a client that asked me to get one and it really hasn’t helped my business. I get more emails that mean nothing to me.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2017 • 1:24:30pm

re: #186 The Vicious Babushka

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Sir John Barron  Oct 16, 2017 • 1:24:46pm

re: #186 The Vicious Babushka

“The world sucks. Only I can fix!”

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wrenchwench  Oct 16, 2017 • 1:24:58pm

re: #183 goddamnedfrank

My default position now is to simply not trust other white people until they prove themselves to not be monsters.

It would be great publicity (sort of) if I temporarily only let in the 60% of the local population that is Hispanic. Otherwise, I’d have to lock the door to keep the potential monsters out. That could be bad for business.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2017 • 1:26:18pm

re: #183 goddamnedfrank

My default position now is to simply not trust other white people until they prove themselves to not be monsters.

That’s one reason I’m a longhair now. I had to differentiate myself from the Nazis.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 16, 2017 • 1:26:36pm

re: #186 The Vicious Babushka

A gem from Trump’s presser today. He starts off blaming drug companies for the cost of prescription drugs … ends up blaming the “world”

Area man is confused, rather daft.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Oct 16, 2017 • 1:28:03pm

Yes, and God will say, “Well done, thou good and faithful servant.”

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JordanRules  Oct 16, 2017 • 1:28:22pm

re: #185 Belafon

I don’t think a mass exodus will happen because not everyone has the same experience on Twitter as is represented here. And even many of those who do really value some of the other benefits they encounter.

I think there are some real blind spots around how folks use it and what it can mean for them.

Agree with you on the evolution of ad based support. It will be interesting to see where that goes.

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Belafon  Oct 16, 2017 • 1:28:44pm

Here’s how you say it:

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wrenchwench  Oct 16, 2017 • 1:29:06pm

re: #187 dangerman

Just made a 9x13 tray of bread pudding and about a gallon, ok 2 cups of bourbon whiskey sauce.

Camera and tech are causing trouble so no pix.

Trust me..at least on this..I really made it and we’re really eating it…

Bread pudding is a favorite in my household. It is not very photogenic even under the best of circumstances.

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ObserverArt  Oct 16, 2017 • 1:29:15pm

re: #188 Belafon

Rosa Parks did a lot of up front coordination with a whole lot of other people to make her “spontaneous event” work.

And if a bunch of Lizards coordinate and make it a thing and contact the guy who quit maybe that gets it going.

Oops. I shouldn’t have responded.

Please, leave me out of it. I am not a user so therefore I am disqualified. Thanks. No further discussion from me on either Twitter or Facebook. All I can do is not join.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2017 • 1:29:24pm

re: #195 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

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Yes, and God will say, “Well done, thou good and faithful servant.”

He doesn’t seem to understand that the people who mock him don’t think he’s actually friends with a god.

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Belafon  Oct 16, 2017 • 1:29:39pm

re: #195 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Yes, and God will say, “Well done, thou good and faithful servant.”

God: Why did you stop? Did I not give you breathe to laugh for hours?

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 16, 2017 • 1:31:33pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 16, 2017 • 1:33:18pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2017 • 1:36:25pm

re: #203 The Vicious Babushka

That seemed impossible until I saw the increase was only 573 people. I had no idea that there were so few Jewish people in Ireland.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 16, 2017 • 1:40:18pm

re: #202 Ace-o-aces

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Sure, he met with them, but did he call any of them? ////

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ObserverArt  Oct 16, 2017 • 1:41:15pm

To add. I will comment on the politics and the workings of Twitter and Facebook. It is a part of the big political picture. And surely it seems they did in fact help give us Trump.

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 16, 2017 • 1:42:29pm

re: #204 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

That seemed impossible until I saw the increase was only 573 people. I had no idea that there were so few Jewish people in Ireland.

There’s only 15 million Jews total. We can’t be everywhere.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2017 • 1:43:31pm

re: #207 Ace-o-aces

There’s only 15 million Jews total. We can’t be everywhere.

Then how are you running everything?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 16, 2017 • 1:44:04pm

re: #204 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

That seemed impossible until I saw the increase was only 573 people. I had no idea that there were so few Jewish people in Ireland.

Oh, Danny Goy

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2017 • 1:44:47pm

re: #209 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Oh, Danny Goy

Groan.

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wrenchwench  Oct 16, 2017 • 1:45:53pm

re: #206 ObserverArt

To add. I will comment on the politics and the workings of Twitter and Facebook. It is a part of the big political picture. And surely it seems they did in fact help give us Trump.

It is legit to participate in a boycott without having any prior consumption. As a person with access, you make the choice not to participate every day.

It’s not like suddenly deciding to boycott tampons. That would be less legit.

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 16, 2017 • 1:46:49pm

re: #208 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Then how are you running everything?

A lot of the work is automated these days.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 16, 2017 • 1:46:55pm

re: #211 wrenchwench

It is legit to participate in a boycott without having any prior consumption. As a person with access, you make the choice not to participate every day.

It’s not like suddenly deciding to boycott tampons. That would be less legit.

Right. I’m boycotting luxury cars, mcmansions, yachts.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 16, 2017 • 1:46:58pm

re: #206 ObserverArt

To add. I will comment on the politics and the workings of Twitter and Facebook. It is a part of the big political picture. And surely it seems they did in fact help give us Trump.

People who know how to manipulate Twitter and Facebook did that…as soon as I saw that anything “trending on Twitter” was treated as a valid news item and then showing up on FB news feeds, I knew that America’s days as a leading nation were numbered…

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2017 • 1:47:25pm

re: #212 Ace-o-aces

A lot of the work is automated these days.

They took our jobs!

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 16, 2017 • 1:48:23pm
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wrenchwench  Oct 16, 2017 • 1:48:30pm

re: #213 Sir John Barron

Right. I’m boycotting luxury cars, mcmansions, yachts.

I think that comes under ‘less legit’.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 16, 2017 • 1:49:55pm

re: #209 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Oh, Danny Goy

*WHACK!*

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2017 • 1:50:18pm

re: #216 GlutenFreeJesus

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Dr. Matt  Oct 16, 2017 • 1:50:53pm

re: #216 GlutenFreeJesus

I think Mitch needed the help with the stairs. Check out that thread.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2017 • 1:51:25pm
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Dizzy  Oct 16, 2017 • 1:53:18pm

re: #204 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Historically Ireland’s staunchly Catholic, dogmatic society was not very welcoming to Jews.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 16, 2017 • 1:53:32pm
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makeitstop  Oct 16, 2017 • 1:53:56pm

re: #220 Dr. Matt

I think Mitch needed the help with the stairs. Check out that thread.

Trump’s afraid of stairs/inclines, too. He made someone hold his hand walking down the slight outdoor ramp at the White House (Merkel, maybe? Can’t remember).

And there was the thing about Ivanka’s office, too IIRC. I remember Conway saying that if the office was on the second floor of the White House Trump would never go there.

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nines09  Oct 16, 2017 • 1:53:58pm

1966. Ed Sullivan needs to explain to his audience about his young Jim Brown and just what he laying down. Props to Ed, but Jimmy was wailing far to long to be ignored any longer. I could hear mothers and fathers screaming at the TV when James come down and ignites. And it’s just a medley of two songs James was doing and did. James Brown. Damn…
Same as it ever was….Same as it..

James Brown - Papa’s Got A Brand New Bag - I Feel Good

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2017 • 1:56:49pm

re: #223 Charles Johnson

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2017 • 1:57:54pm

re: #222 Dizzy

Historically Ireland’s staunchly Catholic, dogmatic society was not very welcoming to Jews.

It was murderously terrible to women too. The Irish let religion get a hold on their country.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 16, 2017 • 1:58:47pm

re: #204 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

That seemed impossible until I saw the increase was only 573 people. I had no idea that there were so few Jewish people in Ireland.

Zedushka’s grandmother was born in Ireland. The legend is that the family bought cheap tickets to Ireland (last stop before America) and planned to hide until the ship left port. But the ship was thoroughly swept and they were put ashore in Belfast. That’s the legend.

The truth is they planned on emigrating to Ireland the whole time. There was a small but close Jewish community & Z’s 2 great-uncles already settled and owned businesses there.

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Kilroy was here  Oct 16, 2017 • 2:00:05pm

The is the way to do it..
Criticized for not commenting on soldiers killed in action, Trump falsely says Obama did even less
washingtonpost.com

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Mike Lamb  Oct 16, 2017 • 2:05:25pm

re: #220 Dr. Matt

I think Mitch needed the help with the stairs. Check out that thread.

Maybe, but it’s weird that Mitch would be reaching back for help, and Trump looks off balance at the second step.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2017 • 2:06:11pm

re: #230 Mike Lamb

Maybe, but it’s weird that Mitch would be reaching back for help, and Trump looks off balance at the second step.

Just two elderly lovers helping each other along. I think it’s adorable.

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JordanRules  Oct 16, 2017 • 2:12:34pm

re: #196 JordanRules

Some reflections.

The Truth About Black Twitter

theatlantic.com

12 Must Follow LGBT Activists on Twitter

pride.com

How ‘Black Twitter’ and BlackLivesMatter hashtag gave voice to marginalized groups

cbc.ca

Twitter Trend #DisabledAndCute Is Empowering Disabled People

teenvogue.com

#DVpit is a Twitter event created to showcase pitches from marginalized voices that have been historically underrepresented in publishing.

dvpit.com

Twitter: A Novel Tool for Studying the Health and Social Needs of Transgender Communities.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 16, 2017 • 2:17:44pm
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JordanRules  Oct 16, 2017 • 2:23:43pm

Me too Senator.

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wrenchwench  Oct 16, 2017 • 2:23:44pm

re: #232 JordanRules

Some reflections.

The Truth About Black Twitter

theatlantic.com

12 Must Follow LGBT Activists on Twitter

pride.com

How ‘Black Twitter’ and BlackLivesMatter hashtag gave voice to marginalized groups

cbc.ca

Twitter Trend #DisabledAndCute Is Empowering Disabled People

teenvogue.com

#DVpit is a Twitter event created to showcase pitches from marginalized voices that have been historically underrepresented in publishing.

dvpit.com

Twitter: A Novel Tool for Studying the Health and Social Needs of Transgender Communities.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

I see twitter as a tool more than I do FB. Very much so.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 16, 2017 • 2:24:56pm
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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 16, 2017 • 2:25:27pm

Now I have this incredible urge to nosh on some gefilte fish.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 16, 2017 • 2:30:09pm

Trump will congratulate the families of those killed in Niger and wish for them to have a great time.

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 16, 2017 • 2:30:37pm

Kate Upton changes teams

pagesix.com

Yeah, it’s click bait.

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JordanRules  Oct 16, 2017 • 2:30:45pm

Wow.

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sagehen  Oct 16, 2017 • 2:31:50pm

re: #234 JordanRules

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Me too Senator.

Even if we actually were the highest corporate tax rate in the world (which we most certainly are not)…

It’s not the Cayman Islands navy that protects Exxon’s shipping routes. It’s not Luxemborg’s commerce department that protects Apple’s IP at the world court. It wasn’t Costa Rica who provided trillions in zero-interest loans to keep Citibank and JP Morgan afloat.

Seems they should be willing to pay their fair share to the Indispensable Nation that makes their profits possible.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 16, 2017 • 2:33:00pm

re: #239 Shropshire Slasher

Kate Upton changes teams

pagesix.com

Yeah, it’s click bait.

Well, her boyfriend does play for the Astros, so that’s kinda understandable.///

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Decatur Deb  Oct 16, 2017 • 2:33:49pm

re: #241 sagehen

Even if we actually were the highest corporate tax rate in the world (which we most certainly are not)…

It’s not the Cayman Islands navy that protects Exxon’s shipping routes. It’s not Luxemborg’s commerce department that protects Apples IP at the world court. It wasn’t Costa Rica who provided trillions in zero-interest loans to keep Citibank and JP Morgan afloat.

Seems they should be willing to pay their fair share to the Indispensable Nation that makes their profits possible.

Hey! We can’t even get them to build a measly little wall.

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makeitstop  Oct 16, 2017 • 2:34:00pm
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I Would Prefer Not To  Oct 16, 2017 • 2:34:08pm

The bad news, she’s a $%#$@%# idiot.

The good news: her peers are giving it to her

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Decatur Deb  Oct 16, 2017 • 2:35:18pm

re: #245 I Would Prefer Not To

The bad news, she’s a $%#$@%# idiot.

The good news: her peers are giving it to her

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Sarcasm is dead.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 16, 2017 • 2:35:58pm

re: #245 I Would Prefer Not To

The bad news, she’s a $%#$@%# idiot.

The good news: her peers are giving it to her

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Is she actually that stupid, or is she just a really damn good troll?

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makeitstop  Oct 16, 2017 • 2:36:03pm

re: #245 I Would Prefer Not To

The bad news, she’s a $%#$@%# idiot.

The good news: her peers are giving it to her

[Embedded content]

Gotta be a bot.

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KGxvi  Oct 16, 2017 • 2:37:35pm

I don’t watch Fox News (I’ll admit I used to back in the day, but also watched the other cable news channels as well), so I heard jokes about The Five but didn’t really think they could be that… obtuse. But I was just on the FNC website to see how they’re framing whatever the fuck that was that Trump did today, and there was a video from The Five talking about Jimmy Kimmel. One of the women on the show said something along the lines of “he’s in a bubble, and only wants to talk to people that agree with him…” She said it without a hint of irony or, apparently, any sense of self-awareness. That 30 seconds or so of watching The Five might have killed more brain cells than all of the drinking I did in undergrad, law school, and in my first two years of practice.

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fern01  Oct 16, 2017 • 2:41:56pm

I miss a President who could speak in sentences and didn’t lie about anything and everything.

I want Obama back in the white house.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 16, 2017 • 2:44:15pm

re: #250 fern01

I miss a President who could speak in sentences and didn’t lie about anything and everything.

I want Obama back in the white house.

Patience. Malia is far too young.

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wrenchwench  Oct 16, 2017 • 2:49:33pm

SANTA FE — Hundreds of speakers jammed a Santa Fe auditorium today to express opposition to science standards proposed by the Public Education Department.

Some 200 scientists, teachers and students signed up to speak at the public hearing that began at 9 a.m. and continued into the afternoon.

As of 1:45 p.m., all the speakers were opposed to the proposed PED standards and urged a hearing officer to adopt the Next Generation Science Standards as proposed in 2013 by a consortium of states and science groups.

Several criticized the PED for scheduling the meeting on a school day.

[…]

That’s half the article.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 16, 2017 • 2:59:56pm

re: #248 makeitstop

Gotta be a bot.

Of course it’s a bot. Name + 4-digits is always a bot.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 16, 2017 • 3:14:45pm
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Renaissance_Man  Oct 16, 2017 • 3:18:57pm

re: #249 KGxvi

I don’t watch Fox News (I’ll admit I used to back in the day, but also watched the other cable news channels as well), so I heard jokes about The Five but didn’t really think they could be that… obtuse. But I was just on the FNC website to see how they’re framing whatever the fuck that was that Trump did today, and there was a video from The Five talking about Jimmy Kimmel. One of the women on the show said something along the lines of “he’s in a bubble, and only wants to talk to people that agree with him…” She said it without a hint of irony or, apparently, any sense of self-awareness. That 30 seconds or so of watching The Five might have killed more brain cells than all of the drinking I did in undergrad, law school, and in my first two years of practice.

FOX doesn’t just present information or misinformation, it creates a world. It’s actually an interesting academic exercise if you can divorce your mind from the pure evil of it. It’s both micro and macro - immersive imagery, a carefully constructed narrative, but also constant use of phrases and words to reinforce, so that even exposure for a few seconds reinforces the worldview. You can walk past a TV with FOX on and casually hear a phrase like ‘we know Obama hated the Constitution’ (as I heard recently), and such an explosive lie isn’t even central to any particular story on the network, it’s just a casually tossed around lie that seems so minor in the context of the day of lies. But it’s not minor - it’s part of a deliberate plan to smother viewers with a blanket narrative that alters their very reality.

I went back through my post history recently, to see just when it was that I first started here. Interesting, if self-indulgent. But I note that even from my very first post, almost 9 years ago now, I was saying how oppressively evil FOX was and how existential a threat it was. I’m not happy to see that come true.

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JordanRules  Oct 16, 2017 • 3:23:54pm

re: #255 Renaissance_Man

how oppressively evil FOX was and how existential a threat it was

Can’t be said enough. Best Dem messaging in the world is useless against this machine.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 16, 2017 • 3:24:08pm
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EPR-radar  Oct 16, 2017 • 3:28:27pm

re: #256 JordanRules

Can’t be said enough. Best Dem messaging in the world is useless against this machine.

The only thing I can think of that might work is for the mainstream media to go all-in on an anti-GOP messaging operation, to counterbalance Fox News. As long as no lies were told in the anti-GOP messaging operation, it would still (IMO) count as ethical journalism.

Unfortunately this will never happen. The great both-siderist lie is way too well entrenched in the media.

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JordanRules  Oct 16, 2017 • 3:31:58pm

re: #258 EPR-radar

I think about what can be done about it a lot. It’s such a major problem with no resolution in sight.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 16, 2017 • 3:32:26pm

re: #195 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

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Yes, and God will say, “Well done, thou good and faithful servant.”

“and those giggling hookers will be the first in line!”, he added.

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Renaissance_Man  Oct 16, 2017 • 3:40:24pm

re: #258 EPR-radar

The only thing I can think of that might work is for the mainstream media to go all-in on an anti-GOP messaging operation, to counterbalance Fox News. As long as no lies were told in the anti-GOP messaging operation, it would still (IMO) count as ethical journalism.

Unfortunately this will never happen. The great both-siderist lie is way too well entrenched in the media.

It doesn’t have to be anti-GOP. It just has to be factual and honest. Foreign news orgs like the BBC aren’t deliberately anti-GOP. FOX has successfully (in the US) framed reporting of facts and fact-checking as anti-GOP and part of a liberal agenda. That’s how authoritarian regimes have always worked - frame truth as just an alternative to lies, and attack things that are factual as partisan.

I said before that I was always confused as to why the mainstream media orgs like CNN and the NYT were so willing to parrot whatever lies they heard from far right media and debate them as factual. Partly this is because of the sports-show style of reporting that has infected all of US media - present everything like a set of equally viable options so everyone feels included, even idiots and Nazis. But partly, I now realise, it is because the paradigm of white, middle class superiority in the US didn’t start with FOX. It’s been there much longer, and has been perpetuated by the mainstream media outlets forever. They’ve based their creation of US culture on this idea - that white, middle class people are the dominant paradigm and must be catered to, and that other cultures, people and ideas exist, but only as entertainment, as cool things for white people to look at. And when other people and cultures are associated with something bad, then it needs to be attacked, if only because it makes white people feel more united at this external threat, but when white people are associated with something bad, then the narrative must normalise it, lest white middle class Americans feel uncomfortable or threatened. This isn’t FOX’s narrative, they just decided they were going to be the most brazen about it. And so the mainstream media can’t counter this narrative - it would be contrary to everything they’ve ever been. They can only rebrand it.

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EPR-radar  Oct 16, 2017 • 3:40:57pm

re: #259 JordanRules

I think about what can be done about it a lot. It’s such a major problem with no resolution in sight.

Realistically, I think more sensible voting has no chance of happening unless there is some kind of major man-made disaster (e.g., another Great Depression) and voters place blame appropriately (which is a depressingly low chance with Fox News + the MSM tilting the table to favor the GOP).

The fact that the GOP has near-perfect blame displacement shields vs. all their nonsense from the W Bush years does not bode well.

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Jay C  Oct 16, 2017 • 3:42:07pm

Interesting news today - even if it is about one of yesterday’s causes (demi-)celebres: closure in the Bowe Bergdahl desertion case (via John Cole @ Balloon Juice):

Denouement: Bergdahl pled guilty: no further court-martial; sentencing to be on Oct. 23.

Not quite the end-of-story: but at least an end.

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EPR-radar  Oct 16, 2017 • 3:45:25pm

re: #261 Renaissance_Man

Factual and honest reporting on the GOP would be relentlessly negative because that is the truth of the GOP — it is a death cult masquerading as a political party.

Honest reporting on the GOP could easily lead to a perfect inversion of the example of #255 “Joe Blow (R) appears to be interested in following the rule of law in this instance, most unusually for a member of his party.”

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TedStriker  Oct 16, 2017 • 3:48:19pm

re: #263 Jay C

Interesting news today - even if it is about one of yesterday’s causes (demi-)celebres: closure in the Bowe Bergdahl desertion case (via John Cole @ Balloon Juice):

Denouement: Bergdahl pled guilty: no further court-martial; sentencing to be on Oct. 23.

Not quite the end-of-story: but at least an end.

He’s trying to throw himself on the mercy of the court, which I don’t think he’s gonna get much of, seeing as other soldiers were seriously injured searching for him.

Right or wrong, seeing as, AFAIK, the US military prison system has no parole, Bergdahl is probably going to end up breaking rocks into smaller rocks at Leavenworth for the rest of his natural life.

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Citizen K  Oct 16, 2017 • 3:49:36pm

And this is the shit that makes me tear my hair out and want to disappear into a carton of ice cream. Even if you argue how unrepresentative the focus groups might be, the same problem results: we have zero megaphone, and ones that are out there either ignore dems completely or blast out distortions that obfuscate anything. In other words, even if we laser focus on the issues, none of that filters out, and apparently laser focusing on our opponents means ‘we have no policies’. It’s the perfect catch-22 that we can’t escape from.

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ObserverArt  Oct 16, 2017 • 3:55:25pm

re: #258 EPR-radar

The only thing I can think of that might work is for the mainstream media to go all-in on an anti-GOP messaging operation, to counterbalance Fox News. As long as no lies were told in the anti-GOP messaging operation, it would still (IMO) count as ethical journalism.

Unfortunately this will never happen. The great both-siderist lie is way too well entrenched in the media.

From time to time I hear old time journalists say the media learned a lesson in 1972 about the whole Nixon thing and how it was bad for the country to go through the removal of a president.

Funny they seem to forget about the attempts on Bill Clinton. But, maybe that is part of what they mean too.

I think what they are saying is they don’t want to be associated and blamed for taking part in an impeachment.

So it sounds like there may be an agreement or at least an understanding the media does not want to make judgments they want to just report them.

Or, something, something….hey, don’t look at us in other words.

Such pinnacles of integrity.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 16, 2017 • 3:56:14pm

heh

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wrenchwench  Oct 16, 2017 • 3:58:01pm

re: #266 Citizen K

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And this is the shit that makes me tear my hair out and want to disappear into a carton of ice cream. Even if you argue how unrepresentative the focus groups might be, the same problem results: we have zero megaphone, and ones that are out there either ignore dems completely or blast out distortions that obfuscate anything. In other words, even if we laser focus on the issues, none of that filters out, and apparently laser focusing on our opponents means ‘we have no policies’. It’s the perfect catch-22 that we can’t escape from.

It was a 5 person focus group in Racine, WI. Not worth the article, written by a guy who worked on a Republican’s congressional campaign. And I take anything Weigel says with a box of salt.

There are other things to fret over.

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EPR-radar  Oct 16, 2017 • 3:58:19pm

re: #267 ObserverArt

From time to time I hear old time journalists say the media learned a lesson in 1972 about the whole Nixon thing and how it was bad for the country to go through the removal of a president.

Funny they seem to forget about the attempts on Bill Clinton. But, maybe that is part of what they mean too.

I think what they are saying is they don’t want to be associated and blamed for taking part in an impeachment.

So it sounds like there may be an agreement or at least an understanding the media does not want to make judgments they want to just report them.

Or, something, something….hey, don’t look at us in other words.

Such pinnacles of integrity.

Perhaps self-preservation will motivate the MSM. You’d have to be pretty stupid to be in the MSM and not know for a fact that you’d be first up against the wall if the Republican base ever gets its way.

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Citizen K  Oct 16, 2017 • 4:01:13pm

re: #270 EPR-radar

Perhaps self-preservation will motivate the MSM. You’d have to be pretty stupid to be in the MSM and not know for a fact that you’d be first up against the wall if the Republican base ever gets its way.

They got word on that during the entire fucking campaign with threats against them during rallies, being penned off and used as scapegoats for the two-minute hates, and his constant demonization of them as “fake news” since the election. They still go out of their way to normalize him, time and time and time again.

It’s not getting through to them, and it probably never will, even once they’re up against the firing wall.

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bratwurst  Oct 16, 2017 • 4:02:42pm

On days like these you have to take the modest amount of good news where you can find it.

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dangerman  Oct 16, 2017 • 4:07:19pm

re: #234 JordanRules

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Me too Senator.

I believe the public has the right to know what other countries are taxed lower than ours. And the answer is not “all of them Katie”

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ObserverArt  Oct 16, 2017 • 4:08:09pm

You know what happens when someone speaks up and tells it like it is on the Democrat side of things?

I remember someone being truthful about Trump just a year ago. She said something about deplorables and Russians and we know what happened.

Fox went on the attack as did the rest of the wingnut-o-mediasphere. She was out of line. Then the papers and political web sites weighed in.

Result.

Hillary took a beating. Many said it was a mistake of monumental political consequences. A lot of them were Democrats, Sanders Supporters (Oh a whole lot) and then most of the liberal sites and whatever media all said…”Hil, you shouldn’t have done that?”

She is still criticized for being negative and focusing on Trump. A whole bunch of people want her to shut up.

Can’t win fer damn losing. It’s a Democratic Party thing.

We will point out the flaws in our own candidate.

We gotta get over it and stop looking for the perfect candidate first and then we need to be 100% in backing of the candidate when they go in for some damn truth and take shit for it. It is so hard for Democrats to do.

The Republicans take elections doing it.

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William Lewis  Oct 16, 2017 • 4:08:24pm

re: #271 Citizen K

They got word on that during the entire fucking campaign with threats against them during rallies, being penned off and used as scapegoats for the two-minute hates, and his constant demonization of them as “fake news” since the election. They still go out of their way to normalize him, time and time and time again.

It’s not getting through to them, and it probably never will, even once they’re up against the firing wall.

Stalin used to say Capitalists would sell them the rope that would be used to hang them?
This is the MSM: They’ll be trying to interview the members of the firing squad about to kill them to be sure they get “both sides” .

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Skip Intro  Oct 16, 2017 • 4:09:57pm

re: #266 Citizen K

This is exactly the same thing that happened during the general election. Tv news would rather show an empty trump podium than give 10 seconds to anything Hillary had to say.

This is not going to change in 2020.

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Skip Intro  Oct 16, 2017 • 4:11:52pm

re: #272 bratwurst

On days like these you have to take the modest amount of good news where you can find it.

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He’ll get his FIL to buy it with government money for office space for the government.

Just watch.

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dangerman  Oct 16, 2017 • 4:12:34pm

re: #257 FormerDirtDart

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JUST IN: US Senate approves Callista Gingrich, lifelong Catholic and wife of Newt Gingrich, as US amb. to the Holy See at the Vatican

Dudes. Isn’t that third wife?

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Stanley Sea  Oct 16, 2017 • 4:13:46pm

re: #278 dangerman

JUST IN: US Senate approves Callista Gingrich, lifelong Catholic and wife of Newt Gingrich, as US amb. to the Holy See at the Vatican

Dudes. Isn’t that third wife?

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dangerman  Oct 16, 2017 • 4:14:15pm

re: #258 EPR-radar

The only thing I can think of that might work is for the mainstream media to go all-in on an anti-GOP messaging operation, to counterbalance Fox News. As long as no lies were told in the anti-GOP messaging operation, it would still (IMO) count as ethical journalism.

Unfortunately this will never happen. The great both-siderist lie is way too well entrenched in the media.

Unfortunately this will never happen while The great both-siderist lie is profitable

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Skip Intro  Oct 16, 2017 • 4:15:02pm

re: #279 Stanley Sea

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It shows the GOP Senate will approve anyone for anything if trump wants it.

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EPR-radar  Oct 16, 2017 • 4:15:16pm

re: #274 ObserverArt

You know what happens when someone speaks up and tells it like it is on the Democrat side of things?

I remember someone being truthful about Trump just a year ago. She said something about deplorables and Russians and we know what happened.

Fox went on the attack as did the rest of the wingnut-o-mediasphere. She was out of line. Then the papers and political web sites weighed in.

Result.

Hillary took a beating. Many said it was a mistake of monumental political consequences. A lot of them were Democrats, Sanders Supporters (Oh a whole lot) and then most of the liberal sites and whatever media all said…”Hil, you shouldn’t have done that?”

She is still criticized for being negative and focusing on Trump. A whole bunch of people want her to shut up.

Can’t win fer damn losing. It’s a Democratic Party thing.

We will point out the flaws in our own candidate.

We gotta get over it and stop looking for the perfect candidate first and then we need to be 100% in backing of the candidate when they go in for some damn truth and take shit for it. It is so hard for Democrats to do.

The Republicans take elections doing it.

The same thing nearly happened with Obama’s “cling bitterly to guns and religion” comment. It is not permitted for Democrats to tell difficult truths about the US. Meanwhile, the GOP is rewarded handsomely for non-stop lying.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 16, 2017 • 4:17:33pm

re: #266 Citizen K

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And this is the shit that makes me tear my hair out and want to disappear into a carton of ice cream. Even if you argue how unrepresentative the focus groups might be, the same problem results: we have zero megaphone, and ones that are out there either ignore dems completely or blast out distortions that obfuscate anything. In other words, even if we laser focus on the issues, none of that filters out, and apparently laser focusing on our opponents means ‘we have no policies’. It’s the perfect catch-22 that we can’t escape from.

Wingnut Free Beacon FFS.

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austin_blue  Oct 16, 2017 • 4:18:53pm

re: #279 Stanley Sea

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There’s an easy way for this to end up deliciously. She and the Newt go to the Vatican, she presents her credentials, and the Bishop of the Holy See says, “No.”

Done and dusted, get your ass back to the US, you adulterous home wrecker!

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wrenchwench  Oct 16, 2017 • 4:19:14pm
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ObserverArt  Oct 16, 2017 • 4:20:24pm

re: #282 EPR-radar

The same thing nearly happened with Obama’s “cling bitterly to guns and religion” comment. It is not permitted for Democrats to tell difficult truths about the US. Meanwhile, the GOP is rewarded handsomely for non-stop lying.

And how much of that is part of the Democrats doing?

I think that is a very important thing to address that no one ever really addresses.

Make the question simple. Do Democrats have a problem being tough at politics and fighting with all it takes? Are we wimps in comparison to the Republicans?

Wimps might not be the best of words, but it does sort of get to the real question.

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dangerman  Oct 16, 2017 • 4:20:38pm

re: #279 Stanley Sea

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Ya couldn’t just use words huh?

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TedStriker  Oct 16, 2017 • 4:26:40pm

re: #286 ObserverArt

And how much of that is part of the Democrats doing?

I think that is a very important thing to address that no one ever really addresses.

Make the question simple. Do Democrats have a problem being tough at politics and fighting with all it takes? Are we wimps in comparison to the Republicans?

Wimps might not be the best of words, but it does sort of get to the real question.

Two pillars guide the modern GOP: might makes right, and the end justifies the means.

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ObserverArt  Oct 16, 2017 • 4:27:26pm

Just seeing some video of Trump on Tweety Matthews’ show. What is up with his hair? Is he losing all the side stuff he needs to pull off “The Donald?” He looked real bad. It didn’t seem he had spent the usual time or it is thinning and the magic is gone.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 16, 2017 • 4:27:31pm

re: #279 Stanley Sea

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She’s come a long way.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 16, 2017 • 4:28:29pm

re: #285 wrenchwench

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Brilliant.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 16, 2017 • 4:29:24pm

re: #290 goddamnedfrank

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Stanley Sea  Oct 16, 2017 • 4:31:33pm

re: #285 wrenchwench

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It must be cold and miserable standing in the shadow of someone greater and smarter, more loved and more admired. It must be infuriating to have risen on the wings of your derision of that person’s every decision, and even his very existence, and yet not be able to measure up — in either stratagem or efficacy — when you sit where that person once sat.

And I will relish how this destroys him.

His hair today told the story. Seriously, it matters to him how he thinks he looks & he looks like shit.

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ObserverArt  Oct 16, 2017 • 4:33:08pm

re: #288 TedStriker

Two pillars guide the modern GOP: might makes right, and the end justifies the means.

Yep.

A good friend and I spent many a debate over what the Democratic Party and its candidates need to do and how far it should go. I was the moderate voice, my buddy wanted heads and blood.

If he were around today he would be saying…”see this is what happens when you let the other guys play all the dirty tricks and you don’t take them on in somewhat the same way if need be.”

To him. It all counts in politics.

I sometimes think he may have been right.

All it takes is to look at Trump.

And you can’t do a damn thing if you don’t win elections.

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Interesting Times  Oct 16, 2017 • 4:33:20pm

re: #286 ObserverArt

Make the question simple. Do Democrats have a problem being tough at politics and fighting with all it takes? Are we wimps in comparison to the Republicans?

From the replies to that David Weigel piece:

Also see:

Remember how we used to think Robby Mook was a great campaign manager? Hahahaha the exact opposite turned out to be true -_- While Cheeto Benito had Cambridge Analytica and Russian hackers and state-of-the-art social media manipulation, Mook relied on horrendously outdated and inaccurate “data analytics” that were the very manifestation of garbage in, garbage out.

Is it really too much to ask the establishment Dems try fighting fire with fire for a change? Seems to me that local, grassroots activists are doing a far better job getting recent downballot Democratic wins because they actually understand how to talk to people in their communities about the issues they care about.

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Renaissance_Man  Oct 16, 2017 • 4:33:49pm

re: #282 EPR-radar

The same thing nearly happened with Obama’s “cling bitterly to guns and religion” comment. It is not permitted for Democrats to tell difficult truths about the US. Meanwhile, the GOP is rewarded handsomely for non-stop lying.

This is true. But all is not lost.

Ironically, I think the solution also comes from the far right’s endless projection. For years they have insisted that the media is completely against them and they had to find a ‘new media’ to counter the liberal MSM. The truth, of course, is that the media is owned by the far right and completely in thrall to them. But there really is a new media - the internet, and the elements therein.

Facebook news feed, Twitter and the like are real threats to the dominance of the news media. Facebook news feed is probably the largest source of news in human history (or at least I heard that somewhere). At the moment, of course, they are nothing more than breeding grounds for propaganda, misinformation and trolls, real and automated. But this is also the infancy of the internet, and at the moment we as a society do not regulate it, monitor it, or process it well. The next step in human evolution is how we manage this connectivity, and this is how the dominance of traditional media and the culture it has imposed on the US will come to an end. Without their dominance, the narrative they impose on the national conversation, where Democrats are always the bad guys and Republicans suffer no consequences for their crimes, cannot exist. Or, at least, it cannot exist without complete authoritarian crackdown and imposition of a narrative.

In the medium to longer term, the ability to communicate freely and break free of a narrative imposed by authority - whether that authority is a monarch, a dictator, or a series of corporations - will be the next Renaissance.

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Targetpractice  Oct 16, 2017 • 4:33:57pm

re: #279 Stanley Sea

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Your daily trip into the Uncanny Valley.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 16, 2017 • 4:36:06pm

re: #202 Ace-o-aces

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This is just one of the reasons why I will not desert Twitter.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 16, 2017 • 4:39:06pm

re: #174 ObserverArt

Good for him.

If people want Twitter to change that is the way to get it done.

The only way.

But yes, it is easy for me to say it, because I don’t use it.

I just hope more and more people decide to start to get this country back in line by dropping their accounts. Twitter and Facebook were apparently happy to allow their ‘tools’ to be used in the campaign. I have the feeling they will never say it, but I bet they see the results of the campaign as proof of how awesome they are and the power they have.

I would never help enable that. They fucked this country over. They should not be rewarded for it.

His rant was extremely well written and grounded but I still feel like “suck my dick” is an odd hill to die on. Like, after getting a second time out for that I’d at least expect him to switch it up a bit.

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A Cranky One  Oct 16, 2017 • 4:40:42pm

re: #289 ObserverArt

Just seeing some video of Trump on Tweety Matthews’ show. What is up with his hair? Is he losing all the side stuff he needs to pull off “The Donald?” He looked real bad. It didn’t seem he had spent the usual time or it is thinning and the magic is gone.

I predicted, shortly after the election, that the stress of the job would cause Trump’s hair to thin and fall out, resulting in his resignation since he’s too vain to let his balding show.

I realize now that I was mistaken, since Trump isn’t doing a fraction of the work a normal president does nor is he bothered by the responsibilities of the office. His primary stress appears to be from the negative press or from being called responsible for problems (something his narcissism can’t tolerate). But while I may have been wrong about the cause of the stress, I’m still convinced that his vanity will have more to do with him leaving office than his incompetence.

So let’s all do our part by mocking his appearance, his weight gain and his hair. Make him worry about being mocked for his looks. Yes, it’s juvenile and stupid. But then, so is Dim Buff Un.

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ObserverArt  Oct 16, 2017 • 4:43:08pm

re: #300 A Cranky One

I predicted, shortly after the election, that the stress of the job would cause Trump’s hair to thin and fall out, resulting in his resignation since he’s too vain to let his balding show.

I realize now that I was mistaken, since Trump isn’t doing a fraction of the work a normal president does nor is he bothered by the responsibilities of the office. His primary stress appears to be from the negative press or from being called responsible for problems (something his narcissism can’t tolerate). But while I may have been wrong about the cause of the stress, I’m still convinced that his vanity will have more to do with him leaving office than his incompetence.

So let’s all do our part by mocking his appearance, his weight gain and his hair. Make him worry about being mocked for his looks. Yes, it’s juvenile and stupid. But then, so is Dim Buff Un.

I look at it this way.

Do It for The Children!

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Stanley Sea  Oct 16, 2017 • 4:48:24pm

re: #300 A Cranky One

I predicted, shortly after the election, that the stress of the job would cause Trump’s hair to thin and fall out, resulting in his resignation since he’s too vain to let his balding show.

I realize now that I was mistaken, since Trump isn’t doing a fraction of the work a normal president does nor is he bothered by the responsibilities of the office. His primary stress appears to be from the negative press or from being called responsible for problems (something his narcissism can’t tolerate). But while I may have been wrong about the cause of the stress, I’m still convinced that his vanity will have more to do with him leaving office than his incompetence.

So let’s all do our part by mocking his appearance, his weight gain and his hair. Make him worry about being mocked for his looks. Yes, it’s juvenile and stupid. But then, so is Dim Buff Un.

So well put. Exactly.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 16, 2017 • 4:48:31pm

re: #300 A Cranky One

I predicted, shortly after the election, that the stress of the job would cause Trump’s hair to thin and fall out, resulting in his resignation since he’s too vain to let his balding show.

I realize now that I was mistaken, since Trump isn’t doing a fraction of the work a normal president does nor is he bothered by the responsibilities of the office. His primary stress appears to be from the negative press or from being called responsible for problems (something his narcissism can’t tolerate). But while I may have been wrong about the cause of the stress, I’m still convinced that his vanity will have more to do with him leaving office than his incompetence.

So let’s all do our part by mocking his appearance, his weight gain and his hair. Make him worry about being mocked for his looks. Yes, it’s juvenile and stupid. But then, so is Dim Buff Un.

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gocart mozart  Oct 16, 2017 • 4:55:18pm

re: #265 TedStriker

He’s trying to throw himself on the mercy of the court, which I don’t think he’s gonna get much of, seeing as other soldiers were seriously injured searching for him.

Right or wrong, seeing as, AFAIK, the US military prison system has no parole, Bergdahl is probably going to end up breaking rocks into smaller rocks at Leavenworth for the rest of his natural life.

As an attorney, I find this incomprehensible. How can he plead guilty without a plea deal? This is incredibly stupid, self destructive and certainly against the advice of counsel. Is he representing himself?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 16, 2017 • 5:11:23pm

re: #257 FormerDirtDart

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So…we’re going into the sale of indulgences business now…

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Jay C  Oct 16, 2017 • 5:27:22pm

re: #304 gocart mozart

As an attorney, I find this incomprehensible. How can he plead guilty without a plea deal? This is incredibly stupid, self destructive and certainly against the advice of counsel. Is he representing himself?

Dunno: the below is a paste from John Cole’s post at BJ:

The Latest on the court-martial of Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, who walked off his post in Afghanistan (all times local):

11:20 a.m.

A military prosecutor says he has made no agreement to limit punishment for Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl in return for the soldier’s guilty pleas to charges that he endangered comrades by walking off his post in Afghanistan in 2009.

After Bergdahl entered guilty pleas to desertion and misbehavior before the enemy, the prosecutor, Maj. Justin Oshana, told the judge that there’s no pretrial agreement between the two sides.

The judge, Army Col. Judge Jeffery R. Nance, spent Monday morning asking Bergdahl questions to make sure he understands what he’s pleading guilty to, and that his offenses carry a maximum punishment of life in prison. The judge asked him one last time if he wanted to plead guilty, and Bergdahl replied, “yes.”

Sounds strange to me, too: but there we are…

And off to the next post!


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