George W. Bush Didn’t Mention Trump by Name in This Speech, but It’s Obvious

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Since leaving office, George W. Bush has refrained from commenting on politics almost entirely. But this morning he gave a speech that’s a very clear repudiation of the awful Trump presidency and the toxic ideologies Trump has injected into the bloodstream of conservatism.

Many of us have serious issues with Bush and the way he governed, but this is a very welcome development — because in order to remove Donald Trump from the office he’s so clearly unfit to occupy, we need support from all sides of US politics.

Speaking at a George W. Bush Institute event in New York, Bush didn’t use Trump’s name, but his target became clearer as the speech progressed. Here’s a sampling:

  • “Bigotry seems emboldened. Our politics seems more vulnerable to conspiracy theories and outright fabrication.”
  • “We’ve seen nationalism distorted into nativism.”
  • “We’ve seen our discourse degraded by casual cruelty. . . . Argument turns too easily into animosity.”
  • “It means that bigotry and white supremacy in any form is blasphemy against the American creed, and it means the very identity of our nation depends on passing along civic ideals.”
  • “Bullying and prejudice in our public life … provides permission for cruelty and bigotry.”
  • “The only way to pass along civic values is to live up to them.”

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424 comments

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S'latch  Oct 19, 2017 • 11:46:06am

Good for George W. I think he’s growing up.

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makeitstop  Oct 19, 2017 • 11:46:43am

I can’t wait to see what Obama says on the stump today, and if a lot of the same phrases turn up.

Maybe the Ex-Presidential Super Friends will make their move.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 19, 2017 • 11:48:29am

He was clearly talking about Obama and the Leftist Agenda!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 19, 2017 • 11:48:35am

re: #2 makeitstop

I can’t wait to see what Obama says on the stump today, and if a lot of the same phrases turn up.

Maybe the Ex-Presidential Super Friends will make their move.

Whatever Obama says, 19th Century Fox will attack…

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Oct 19, 2017 • 11:48:40am

You know it’s bad when you are nodding your head when George Fucking Bush speaks.

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 19, 2017 • 11:50:31am

re: #1 S’latch

Good for George W. I think he’s growing up.

Next, he needs to admit that Bownie did not in fact do a “heck of a job”.

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S'latch  Oct 19, 2017 • 11:51:36am

re: #6 Ace-o-aces

Brownie did not do a “heck of a job”.

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makeitstop  Oct 19, 2017 • 11:52:05am
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Targetpractice  Oct 19, 2017 • 11:52:13am

Here’s the thing, I’m not overly impressed with Dubya and the “serious conservative” brigade’s efforts to put as much distance between the monster they created and themselves. It puts me in the mind of Republican Congresscritters who magically regain their balls the moment they either decide to retire or are voted out of office. What I see right now are people who are afraid of the political fallout Trump is going to have on their party and are trying to erect a barrier by dubbing him an aberration rather than the logical conclusion of decades of efforts to play to the lowest common denominator.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 19, 2017 • 11:52:15am

re: #5 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

You know it’s bad when you are nodding your head when George Fucking Bush speaks.

…and you catch yourself saying “Way to go, McCain!” even if it is after him voting against DT’s healthcare bill.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 19, 2017 • 11:52:30am

I disliked this man very much and I still feel conflicted about it given his campaigning for Gillespie here in Va but I’ll say it, thanks President Bush, you’re one of only two living former Republican presidents and it’s safe to assume you speak for your father here too who at 93 obviously can’t do speeches like he used to. So, yes thanks W, I never thought I’d say that but I’m glad you are as troubled by Trump and Trumpism as many of us are.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 19, 2017 • 11:53:27am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 19, 2017 • 11:53:39am

re: #8 makeitstop

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I’ve been thinking about John Adams since I rewatched the miniseries. LRT is also good for that too.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 19, 2017 • 11:54:38am

re: #9 Targetpractice

Here’s the thing, I’m not overly impressed with Dubya and the “serious conservative” brigade’s efforts to put as much distance between the monster they created and themselves. It puts me in the mind of Republican Congresscritters who magically regain their balls the moment they either decide to retire or are voted out of office. What I see right now are people who are afraid of the political fallout Trump is going to have on their party and are trying to erect a barrier by dubbing him an aberration rather than the logical conclusion of decades of efforts to play to the lowest common denominator.

That’s fair.

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Belafon  Oct 19, 2017 • 11:56:09am

re: #9 Targetpractice

I just want Trump gone.

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KGxvi  Oct 19, 2017 • 11:56:18am

re: #1 S’latch

Good for George W. I think he’s growing up.

For all his faults, and there were so very, very many, I do believe that GWB was always a believer in the idea that democracy and pluralism can and should be forces for good in the world.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 19, 2017 • 11:56:47am

re: #11 HappyWarrior

I disliked this man very much and I still feel conflicted about it given his campaigning for Gillespie here in Va but I’ll say it, thanks President Bush, you’re one of only two living former presidents and it’s safe to assume you speak for your father here too who at 93 obviously can’t do speeches like he used to. So, yes thanks W, I never thought I’d say that but I’m glad you are as troubled by Trump and Trumpism as many of us are.

I agree, though I’ll point out there are five living former presidents: Carter, GHWB, Clinton, GWB and Obama. Maybe you meant two living former GOP Presidents.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Oct 19, 2017 • 11:57:16am

Trying to put the lead back in the pencil.

I’ll never entirely be sure whether GWB was a well-intentioned oaf, but he was surrounded by men drunk on power in that way that allows idealism and cynical profiteering to merge.

Karl Rove’s smug-ass words about redefining reality have come truth in a monkey’s-paw way…the only fucking way that particular sentiment ever comes true…and suddenly the full scope of what that shit means has hoved into view.

Thing is, I don’t think the (R) pseudointellectuals have learned STOVE IS HOT NO TOUCH yet. They’re still trying to equilibrate sticking their dick in crazy and having a dignified, sanctified marriage.

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Kragar  Oct 19, 2017 • 11:57:50am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:00:09pm

re: #17 Big Beautiful Door

I agree, though I’ll point out there are five living former presidents: Carter, GHWB, Clinton, GWB and Obama. Maybe you meant two living former GOP Presidents.

Oops I meant GOP, yes. Lemme edit lest anyone be confused.

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Kragar  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:01:49pm
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Targetpractice  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:02:33pm

re: #15 Belafon

I just want Trump gone.

So do I, but we should be doing so in such a way that we don’t leave the door open for the next Trump. What Dubya is taking part in is the very same effort that took place after he left office: A concerted, combined effort to dig a mammoth-sized hole, bulldoze his legacy into it, cover it with quicklime, bury the whole thing in a Chernobyl-strength concrete sarcophagus, and then mark the ground with warnings in 20 different languages never to go snooping around there. If we allow them to get away with pinning the entire blame on Trump and presenting him as totally divorced from the reality of modern conservatism, then they’ll just sell us on someone even worse than him come 2020.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:02:34pm

re: #15 Belafon

I just want Trump gone.

So do everyone but his cult. If his cult disappeared or abandoned him, he’d quickly be impeached. The Republicans are afraid of their radicalized base.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:02:47pm

Followup from downstairs
re: #416 FormerDirtDart

And, asking if his name rings a bell

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makeitstop  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:05:49pm

re: #19 Kragar

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I turned it on for about 20 seconds, then shut the tab.

Spencer’s manner of speaking is really annoying. So affected and pretentious. No wonder he gets punched out a lot.

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jaunte  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:05:58pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:06:10pm
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Targetpractice  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:08:08pm

re: #27 Charles Johnson

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I count that as a win-win: Trump gives Dubya’s remarks more attention and (in classic Trump fashion) will drag up Dubya’s worst hits to remind folks just how glad we were to see him go.

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makeitstop  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:08:13pm

And who asked you, KGB Boy?

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dangerman  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:08:48pm

re: #26 jaunte

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i refuse to look.

does anyone know if the place filled up?

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Dave In Austin  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:09:29pm

Nazis….. Fucking Nazis

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KGxvi  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:09:36pm

re: #29 makeitstop

Trump not getting to implement his plans is apparently bad news for Russia (and more specifically Putin), which, let’s see… carry the one… yup, it’s good for America.

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Kragar  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:09:43pm

re: #30 dangerman

Practically empty in terms of “true believers”

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KGxvi  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:10:10pm

re: #24 FormerDirtDart

Name doesn’t ring a bell, but damn, he looks like George Zimmerman, doesn’t he?

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:10:29pm
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Kragar  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:11:11pm

re: #30 dangerman

Lots of the people there are hecklers and protesters

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jaunte  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:11:48pm

re: #36 Kragar

Looks like a condo association meeting.

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jaunte  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:13:06pm
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dangerman  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:13:55pm

re: #33 Kragar

Practically empty

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Kragar  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:13:57pm

re: #37 jaunte

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makeitstop  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:14:14pm

re: #34 KGxvi

Name doesn’t ring a bell, but damn, he looks like George Zimmerman, doesn’t he?

My first thought was whether it was Zimmerman.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:15:08pm

re: #38 jaunte

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jaunte  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:15:24pm
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Kragar  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:15:26pm

re: #39 dangerman

I should qualify that by noting I meant practically empty of supporters.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:15:36pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:15:40pm
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jaunte  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:16:42pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:16:45pm

re: #43 jaunte

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makeitstop  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:17:00pm

re: #45 FormerDirtDart

My favorite line from Spencer, “You are yelling at a dissident intellectual pretentious Nazi asshole!”

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:17:49pm

re: #47 jaunte

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JordanRules  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:18:06pm

I don’t know that 45 will get the memo on Dubya or get that it’s about him. You gotta say his name. He loves hearing his name.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:18:09pm

LOL

An Orlando man was arrested at the University of Florida ahead of a speech by white supremacist Richard Spencer.

Authorities said Sean Brijmohan, 28, was arrested for allegedly carrying a firearm on the campus.

Brijmohan stated that he was working at the event with Fox News.

WESH 2 News will bring you the latest details as they become available.

wesh.com

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Targetpractice  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:19:11pm

re: #43 jaunte

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Well, I think we can safely kill any talk about Kelly doing the honorable thing and resigning, even though he reportedly was pissed over Trump using his dead son as a political shield.

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dangerman  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:19:16pm

re: #36 Kragar

Lots of the people there are hecklers and protesters

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this seems to be a workable winning formula - get all the free tickets and dont show up

couple that with a 50x1 ratio of protesters outside

another approach would be for no one to show up. just him talking to his “fan”s and crickets from the rest of us

a third is clowns - with tubas. lots of em

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:19:20pm
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Ghost of the Mare Island Mud Puppy  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:19:24pm
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jaunte  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:19:27pm
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dangerman  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:19:31pm

re: #37 jaunte

Looks like a condo association meeting.

less violent

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Kragar  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:19:47pm
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jaunte  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:19:54pm

re: #53 Targetpractice

Well, I think we can safely kill any talk about Kelly doing the honorable thing and resigning, even though he reportedly was pissed over Trump using his dead son as a political shield.

Now Kelly is participating. All for Dear Leader.

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JordanRules  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:20:17pm

re: #47 jaunte

Kelly is a bigot who wishes the yam could hide his bigotry better.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:20:48pm
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EPR-radar  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:21:13pm

re: #18 The Ghost of a Flea

Trying to put the lead back in the pencil.

I’ll never entirely be sure whether GWB was a well-intentioned oaf, but he was surrounded by men drunk on power in that way that allows idealism and cynical profiteering to merge.

Karl Rove’s smug-ass words about redefining reality have come truth in a monkey’s-paw way…the only fucking way that particular sentiment ever comes true…and suddenly the full scope of what that shit means has hoved into view.

Thing is, I don’t think the (R) pseudointellectuals have learned STOVE IS HOT NO TOUCH yet. They’re still trying to equilibrate sticking their dick in crazy and having a dignified, sanctified marriage.

It’s not even that benign. The GOP wants tax cuts for the rich above all else, and has become addicted to feeding resentments for easy votes, rather than making any rational arguments for any of its positions. This does not end well.

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dangerman  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:21:13pm

re: #38 jaunte

[Embedded content]”He expressed his condolences in the best way that he could,” COS Kelly says of the President’s calls.

his best is none to good

YouTube

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jaunte  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:21:39pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:21:52pm

Kelly does know that Wilson is very close with the Johnson family. Aw fuck it, Kelly’s just an opportunist.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:22:24pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:22:29pm

re: #65 jaunte

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Your boss attacked them you jackal.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:22:33pm

re: #56 Ghost of the Mare Island Mud Puppy

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jaunte  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:23:14pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:23:36pm

re: #67 goddamnedfrank

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We had legalized domestic rape well into Kelly’s lifetime. Kelly as a Catholic would know that Catholics had their loyalties questioned. Enough of this revisionist bs.

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Targetpractice  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:24:01pm

re: #60 jaunte

Now Kelly is participating. All for Dear Leader.

And when the whole mess finally ends, he’ll be one of those insisting that he’s a “Good Republican,” that he never participated in the worst crimes but instead was just afraid to speak up.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:24:18pm

Every Sperm is Sacred - Complete

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jaunte  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:24:32pm

re: #72 Targetpractice

Preserving access to Trump always corrupts.

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dangerman  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:25:26pm

re: #43 jaunte

[Embedded content]Kelly says he was stunned and brokenhearted at what member of Congress did to listen in on call thought at least that was sacred

they were in a car when the call came

going to the airport to meet the flight that was transporting him home

woman’s an ass hat

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HappyWarrior  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:25:27pm

re: #72 Targetpractice

And when the whole mess finally ends, he’ll be one of those insisting that he’s a “Good Republican,” that he never participated in the worst crimes but instead was just afraid to speak up.

Yep.

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wrenchwench  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:25:47pm

re: #55 FormerDirtDart

[Holy moly,]

When they get to ‘holy moly’, that’s when you know it’s serious.

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Kragar  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:26:07pm
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dangerman  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:26:13pm

re: #45 FormerDirtDart

[Embedded content]My favorite line from Spencer, “You are yelling at a dissident intellectual!”

maybe he said “diffident”?

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ericblair  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:26:26pm

re: #74 jaunte

Preserving access to Trump always corrupts.

The Marines stand for everything Trump is not. Trump is corruption and dishonor personified, and here Kelly is defending him. Christ.

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jaunte  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:26:32pm

re: #75 dangerman

That call was as sacred as the White House visitor logs.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:26:34pm

I knowv Kelly has unique authority as a Gold Star father but he’s an enabler.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:26:55pm

re: #78 Kragar

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I had forgotten about that.

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petesh  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:27:08pm

re: #60 jaunte

Now Kelly is participating. All for Dear Leader.

JFC Standing by his man. Idiot. Wake up little Kelly, your reputation is shot. (Gotta admit this movie has one heck of a plot.)

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:27:17pm

re: #75 dangerman

they were in a car when the call came

going to the airport to meet the flight that was transporting him home

woman’s an ass hat

man.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:27:35pm

re: #63 EPR-radar

It’s not even that benign. The GOP wants tax cuts for the rich above all else, and has become addicted to feeding resentments for easy votes, rather than making any rational arguments for any of its positions. This does not end well.

Their position is to screw everyone else in order to redistribute wealth to the richest 1%. There are no rational arguments for it, which is why they resort to culture wars and lying.

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Targetpractice  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:27:37pm

re: #78 Kragar

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rhuarc  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:28:37pm

Kelly is a fucking coward and a disgrace to all who are serving and have served in the military. His own son would be ashamed of him.

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EPR-radar  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:28:57pm

re: #74 jaunte

Preserving access to Trump always corrupts.

The RedState never-t****er assertion that t**** corrupts everyone who has dealt with him because t**** is supernaturally evil seems ever closer to the truth as this ordeal drags on.

Only my categorical non-belief in the supernatural stops me from also believing this.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:29:03pm

Facebook

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:29:04pm
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Ace-o-aces  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:29:16pm
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KGxvi  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:30:10pm

re: #43 jaunte

Kelly says he was stunned and brokenhearted at what member of Congress did to listen in on call thought at least that was sacred

Correct me if I’m wrong, but the story I heard was that the president called while the family was in a car, and the Congresswoman was with them. The call, like most for cell phones in cars was on speaker phone.

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Targetpractice  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:30:15pm

re: #75 dangerman

they were in a car when the call came

going to the airport to meet the flight that was transporting him home

woman’s an ass hat

We’re not talking Kellywise the Clown, we’re talking John “Only Sane Man” Kelly, the guy whose dead son Trump used as a doormat earlier this week. He’s now out in front of the press, attacking an honorable woman who has shown more caring for this family than Kelly has all week for the high “crime” of being in the same limo as the family when Trump made his classless call on speakerphone.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:30:41pm

re: #92 Ace-o-aces

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HappyWarrior  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:30:42pm

re: #92 Ace-o-aces

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He is part of the media too. And yes he worked for Breitbart. He needs to own up to that.

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jaunte  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:30:53pm

re: #89 EPR-radar

The RedState never-t****er assertion that t**** corrupts everyone who has dealt with him because t**** is supernaturally evil seems ever closer to the truth as this ordeal drags on.

Only my categorical non-belief in the supernatural stops me from also believing this.

Imagining that you can control a narcissist is a non-supernatural trap, and Kelly is deep in it.

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Kragar  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:31:19pm

re: #87 Targetpractice

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Targetpractice  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:31:26pm

re: #92 Ace-o-aces

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Exhibit A in my argument for why we can’t just run Trump out of office, we have to tar and feather the movement that spawned him at the same time.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:31:55pm

re: #90 FormerDirtDart

The Presidential Seal looks sharp. The fake SEAL does not.

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jaunte  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:32:08pm

How a condolence call gets handled is ENTIRELY UP TO THE BEREAVED.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:32:11pm

re: #99 Targetpractice

Exhibit A in my argument for why we can’t just run Trump out of office, we have to tar and feather the movement that spawned him at the same time.

Agreed. Fuck movement conservatism with a rusty pike.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:32:36pm

re: #93 KGxvi

Correct me if I’m wrong, but the story I heard was that the president called while the family was in a car, and the Congresswoman was with them. The call, like most for cell phones in cars was on speaker phone.

“I’ll call at the most appropriate time.”

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:32:47pm

The defense is now that Trump is a misunderstood liar.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:33:05pm

re: #101 jaunte

How a condolence call gets handled is ENTIRELY UP TO THE BEREAVED.

Hey I totally told you your son died when it was your grandmother and said it was to be expected. Why you offended?//

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:33:22pm
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makeitstop  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:33:22pm

re: #84 petesh

JFC Standing by his man. Idiot. Wake up little Kelly, your reputation is shot. (Gotta admit this movie has one heck of a plot.)

Upding for the ‘Wake Up Little Susie’ ref.

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Targetpractice  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:33:49pm

re: #104 goddamnedfrank

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The defense is now that Trump is a misunderstood liar.

Kellywise made the same argument earlier today, calling their boss a liar while still defending what he said.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:33:51pm

re: #93 KGxvi

Correct me if I’m wrong, but the story I heard was that the president called while the family was in a car, and the Congresswoman was with them. The call, like most for cell phones in cars was on speaker phone.

That’s my understanding too. She was close to this family.

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dangerman  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:34:03pm

re: #84 petesh

JFC Standing by his man. Idiot. Wake up little Kelly, your reputation is shot. (Gotta admit this movie has one heck of a plot.)

took me a minute….

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JordanRules  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:34:09pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:34:36pm

re: #106 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yep but somehow she’s the bad guy.

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:34:57pm

re: #96 HappyWarrior

He is part of the media too. And yes he worked for Breitbart. He needs to own up to that.

When confronted he usually lies and says Andrew Breitbart wasn’t racist, and then hopes nobody digs up his old articles attacking Shirley Sherrod.

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dangerman  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:35:21pm

re: #85 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

man.

yeah - i was thinking the other kelly

man’s an ass hat

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jaunte  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:35:46pm

Being stunned that a call to a car goes to speaker doesn’t give me confidence in a man’s military genius.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:36:19pm

re: #114 dangerman

yeah - i was thinking the other kelly

I got a gender wrong yesterday or the day before by mixing up 2 people, and was corrected, so I’m just paying it forward.

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Belafon  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:37:06pm

re: #115 jaunte

Being stunned that a call to a car goes to speaker doesn’t give me confidence in a man’s military genius.

It’s not that. It’s that a member of Congress spoke out against her boss, the president, because that’s how government is organized here in the USSA.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:38:05pm

re: #113 Ace-o-aces

When confronted he usually lies and says Andrew Breitbart wasn’t racist, and then hopes nobody digs up his old articles attacking Shirley Sherrod.

He worked there while Bannon was there too, no?

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dangerman  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:38:19pm

re: #94 Targetpractice

We’re not talking Kellywise the Clown, we’re talking John “Only Sane Man” Kelly, the guy whose dead son Trump used as a doormat earlier this week. He’s now out in front of the press, attacking an honorable woman who has shown more caring for this family than Kelly has all week for the high “crime” of being in the same limo as the family when Trump made his classless call on speakerphone.

yeah - as i said below, or is it above, i was confused

to cover all bases: they’re both ass hats

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jaunte  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:38:26pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:39:07pm

re: #120 jaunte

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Yep. I don’t even fully trust Mattis.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:39:50pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:40:44pm
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JordanRules  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:40:45pm

re: #120 jaunte

We should’ve held on to that uneasiness we had when he was appointing so many of them.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:41:02pm

Trump judicial nominee proudly asserts he discriminates against gays, and said that trans children are part of “Satan’s plan.” Some Republicans will express concern, and vote to confirm him.

vox.com

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Targetpractice  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:41:52pm

The White House seems to have (again) changed gears without a clutch, dropping the initial talking point that Wilson is a liar because the family backed her up and expressed their outrage with Trump publicly, and instead are now trying to divide Wilson from the family so they don’t look like disgusting hacks as they continue the attacks on her.

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jaunte  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:42:14pm

Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman John McCain (R-AZ) was among a growing chorus of voices demanding answers on Wednesday. After responding “No” when asked if the White House was being upfront about the operation, McCain was asked if he supported a congressional investigation into the incident.

“Investigations?” the senator responded. “I want the information that the Senate Armed Services Committee deserves and needs to start with. Then you decide whether a quote ‘investigation’ is needed or not.”

“That’s why we’re called the Senate Armed Services Committee. It’s because we have oversight of our military,” he continued. “So we deserve to have all the information.”

On Thursday McCain renewed his comments, saying the issue “may require a subpoena.”thinkprogress.org

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jaunte  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:44:00pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:44:02pm
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KGxvi  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:44:12pm

re: #121 HappyWarrior

Yep. I don’t even fully trust Mattis.

There’s a reason there is a ban on current or recently retired military personnel serving as Secretary of Defense. That Mattis thought it appropriate to accept the position with a waiver of that rule was probably not a good thing. Everything about this administration is suspect though, as the old saying goes, the fish rots from the head.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:44:22pm

re: #126 Targetpractice

The White House seems to have (again) changed gears without a clutch, dropping the initial talking point that Wilson is a liar because the family backed her up and expressed their outrage with Trump publicly, and instead are now trying to divide Wilson from the family so they don’t look like disgusting hacks as they continue the attacks on her.

Yep it’s what they do.

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JordanRules  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:44:29pm

re: #122 Backwoods_Sleuth

I could never trust that co-worker on any joint projects again!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:45:01pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:45:22pm

re: #129 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It absolutely stuns me that he didn’t take the time to learn that Wilson is very close with the family of Sgt Johnson and even mentored him.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:46:11pm

Kelly chose to work for a man who belittled pows. I’m not buying his fauxrage.

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KGxvi  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:46:49pm

re: #134 HappyWarrior

It absolutely stuns me that he didn’t take the time to learn that Wilson is very close with the family of Sgt Johnson and even mentored him.

They’re spinning so fast, we might want to get someone from CERN to make sure they’re not dilating space time in some weird way.

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Targetpractice  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:47:22pm

Isn’t the “sanctity” of Gold Star families that Kelly talks about that which Trump shat all over last year when he attacked the Khans for having the audacity to speak out against him?

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JordanRules  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:47:22pm

LMAO!!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:47:30pm

re: #132 JordanRules

I could never trust that co-worker on any joint projects again!

I mean…REALLY…the shredded cheese isn’t even the least bit melted.

bleccchhh. beyond gross.

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jaunte  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:47:42pm

re: #136 KGxvi

That must be how we got swept onto this distorted timeline.

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Targetpractice  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:48:21pm

re: #138 JordanRules

LMAO!!!

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jaunte  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:48:50pm

It always worked for Roger Ailes.

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Belafon  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:50:54pm

re: #138 JordanRules

Answer: Because it’s all they’ve got. Their mom’s refuse to breast feed them any more.

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RiverBoy  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:51:09pm

I understand that we need allies from all sides at this moment but I honestly can’t stand anybody on the right speaking out now. We have Trump because the GOP has been playing to his supporters for a long time now. They are not speaking out because they disagree with him. They are speaking out because he has been giving away the game they play. Trump doesn’t do subtle, so the all the dog whistles of racism that the GOP has gleefully espoused for quite some time have turned into outright white supremacy. He doesn’t try to hide the corruption of D.C., instead he throws it right in faces and fills his Cabinet with the Swamp. It is too late for these people in my mind. They are only speaking out because they fear he is killing the GOP. Once Trump is gone, and believe me this can’t happen soon enough, we will still be stuck with the people that enabled him and put him in office.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:51:34pm

re: #132 JordanRules

I could never trust that co-worker on any joint projects again!

The comments in that thread are hilarious.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:52:29pm

Iframe

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dangerman  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:52:51pm

re: #133 Backwoods_Sleuth

Kelly, defending Trump from White House podium, laments that sanctity of Gold Star families was lost over summer at convention

its now officially an imbroglio (NYT)

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JordanRules  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:53:34pm

re: #145 Barefoot Grin

Twitter united against Mac ‘n Cheese desecration!

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:56:36pm
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wrenchwench  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:57:20pm

re: #147 dangerman

its now officially an imbroglio (NYT)

Sounds like something to crochet. Or knit. Or tuck into a pastry and fry.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:57:23pm
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Barefoot Grin  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:57:47pm

re: #148 JordanRules

Twitter united against Mac ‘n Cheese desecration!

The wife has gluten and dairy issues, so every once in awhile I take the kids to a macaroni specialty restaurant. It’s so good!

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:58:05pm
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Targetpractice  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:58:15pm

So between Huckaboo, Kellywise, and now Kelly The Lesser, the storyline has ceased being that Wilson is a liar (because the family is backing her up) and instead saying that the comment was respectful “in context,” and the “outrage” is that Wilson was in the car at all. As though she forced the family into the car, forced the call to be put on speakerphone, just so she could catch Trump saying something that they see no problem with and telling the press about it.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Oct 19, 2017 • 12:58:32pm

as they say in the song “the great mandala”

“it’s been going on for ten thousand years”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:00:29pm
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Belafon  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:00:39pm

re: #151 FormerDirtDart

Just because they try doesn’t mean we give in.

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JordanRules  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:01:02pm

re: #152 Barefoot Grin

That sounds like a heavenly place.

I’m in the replies with real tears right now!!! Funny Twitter is the best.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:01:08pm

re: #152 Barefoot Grin

The wife has gluten and dairy issues, so every once in awhile I take the kids to a macaroni specialty restaurant. It’s so good!

Ronald Reagan’s mac & cheese recipe is probably the only thing he left us that is truly great.

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dangerman  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:01:24pm

re: #149 FormerDirtDart

[Embedded content]Re: Kelly’s remarks on Rep. Wilson: She mentored Sgt. Johnson for years, Wilson was w/ the family when Trump called, fam put it on speaker.

one might think trump and everyone else at his end knew at that minute they were on speakerphone and everyone was introduced

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BlueSpotinAL  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:01:29pm

You know what would be the icing on the bullshit cake that Spencer is making about the events in Charlottesville, VA? When questionsed, say “it was what I was told”.

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dangerman  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:02:06pm

re: #150 wrenchwench

Sounds like something to crochet. Or knit. Or tuck into a pastry and fry.

what you do to a steak?

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:03:59pm

OT because I am having a hard time focusing on work: On Saturday morning, I’m leaving for 7 days in Belize!!! I’ve got so much to do between now and then, but I am alternating between getting work done and looking at pictures.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:05:27pm

Wow Fox News admits to publishing a “Fake News” story (probably after being called on it like a zillion times)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:05:29pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:06:01pm

re: #123 Backwoods_Sleuth

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gwangung  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:06:49pm

re: #166 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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Isn’t it more that the Republicans are nakedly power hungry?

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wrenchwench  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:07:40pm

re: #163 Flying Squirrel Girl

OT because I am having a hard time focusing on work: On Saturday morning, I’m leaving for 7 days in Belize!!! I’ve got so much to do between now and then, but I am alternating between getting work done and looking at pictures.

They have frogs there.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:08:48pm

re: #151 FormerDirtDart

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Mike Lamb  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:10:15pm

re: #163 Flying Squirrel Girl

OT because I am having a hard time focusing on work: On Saturday morning, I’m leaving for 7 days in Belize!!! I’ve got so much to do between now and then, but I am alternating between getting work done and looking at pictures.

Three words: Shark Ray Alley.

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:10:47pm

re: #168 wrenchwench

Indeed! I lived in Costa Rica for 5 years and learned to look for frogs under toilet seats or risk a surprise. Especially at night.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:11:07pm

re: #167 gwangung

Isn’t it more that the Republicans are nakedly power hungry?

The politicians are, and the people responsible for the brainwashing. The voters just hate civilized Americans because the propaganda they substituted for news told them to. Their real enemy of course is the propagandists.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:11:14pm

re: #154 Targetpractice

So between Huckaboo, Kellywise, and now Kelly The Lesser, the storyline has ceased being that Wilson is a liar (because the family is backing her up) and instead saying that the comment was respectful “in context,” and the “outrage” is that Wilson was in the car at all. As though she forced the family into the car, forced the call to be put on speakerphone, just so she could catch Trump saying something that they see no problem with and telling the press about it.

So the guy who as a candidate politicized the deaths of American personnel overseas is experiencing a bit of his own medicine now.

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dangerman  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:12:07pm

re: #168 wrenchwench

They have frogs there.

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and scuba

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:13:13pm

re: #154 Targetpractice

So between Huckaboo, Kellywise, and now Kelly The Lesser, the storyline has ceased being that Wilson is a liar (because the family is backing her up) and instead saying that the comment was respectful “in context,” and the “outrage” is that Wilson was in the car at all. As though she forced the family into the car, forced the call to be put on speakerphone, just so she could catch Trump saying something that they see no problem with and telling the press about it.

It’ll work because the brainwashed Trumpists will grasp at any straw in an attempt to avoid questioning the Trump administration. It doesn’t have to make sense, it just has to come from an authority figure.

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JordanRules  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:13:17pm

Mmm hmmm

Denni Green speaks for me.

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wrenchwench  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:14:07pm

re: #171 Flying Squirrel Girl

Indeed! I lived in Costa Rica for 5 years and learned to look for frogs under toilet seats or risk a surprise. Especially at night.

My brother did his post-doc work in Panama, and hunted frogs (with a light and a camera) all over Central America. Never mentioned toilet seats. Interesting omission.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:14:07pm

re: #133 Backwoods_Sleuth

Kelly, defending Trump from White House podium, laments that sanctity of Gold Star families was lost over summer at convention
— Josh Lederman

A lot more than that was lost at that abomination of a convention, but yes.

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wrenchwench  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:15:08pm

re: #174 dangerman

and scuba

Probably bicycles, too. In need of service. I could relocate!

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Belafon  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:15:35pm

re: #176 JordanRules

Mmm hmmm

Denni Green speaks for me.

Please, Kelly, say “Would you like to know more?” just to complete the picture.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:16:14pm
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Sir John Barron  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:16:18pm

re: #176 JordanRules

Does that include the president (and his five Vietnam deferments?)
— Joy Reid

Trump and his deranged sons really wish they had served, but they would like to be treated as if they had.

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dangerman  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:16:50pm

re: #175 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

It’ll work because the brainwashed Trumpists will grasp at any straw in an attempt to avoid questioning the Trump administration. It doesn’t have to make sense, it just has to come from an authority figure.

trump says anything
they dance
they spin, distort, argue, invent, lie, twist
so that they’ll feel “included”
hes got them trained as mindless puppets and they dont even know it

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Sir John Barron  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:17:29pm

re: #181 goddamnedfrank

John Kelly: It stuns me that a member of Congress would have listened in on a private conversation that I was also listening in on.

LOLWUT?

— It’s FrănkenSTĒĒN

“Also, here are all these private email exchanges from the head of the DNC and Hillary’s campaign chair, let’s look at those.”

///

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:17:38pm

re: #177 wrenchwench

My sister came to visit and rented a house. In the bathroom there was a big rock on the floor that we assumed was to keep the door from blowing shut when the windows were open. Wrong — it was to hold the toilet seat down when not in use, since the frogs could manage to get free by jumping against the seat. Bet you can guess how we figured this out.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:17:58pm
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dangerman  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:19:30pm

re: #176 JordanRules

Kelly to press:: we don’t look down on you who haven’t served in fact we feel sorry for you (who haven’t had joy of service)

and

Does that include the president (and his five Vietnam deferments?)

Denni Green speaks for me.

headline: Kelly says feels sorry for the president

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:19:48pm

re: #169 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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Specifically, Trump is a narcissistic sociopath:

A driven quest for power. If a narcissistic sociopath cares about anything other than himself, it is destructive power and control over people.
•Behaviors that seek love and admiration. To be sure, this isn’t needy love. It’s not even emotional love. It’s superficial. A narcissistic sociopath sees love and admiration as power tools to manipulate and dominate (Do Sociopaths Even Have Feelings?).
•No apologies, no guilt, no remorse under any circumstance. A sociopathic narcissist believes that she is a gift to the world who makes it richer and more colorful. Therefore, her calculated, even cruel actions are always justified.
•Invincibility. The narcissistic variety of sociopath believes he is indomitable. Even punishment and prison can’t stop him. They’re merely part of the game.
•Wholly self-serving. The needs and wants of others are insignificant and undeserving of consideration.
•Act as the producer, director, and only actor of his own show. The narcissistic sociopath casts people in roles that increase his power and sense of importance and when bored, casts them aside.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:20:14pm

re: #164 The Vicious Babushka

Wow Fox News admits to publishing a “Fake News” story (probably after being called on it like a zillion times)

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Likely because Navy Times called them out, and that the story was still posted on Facebook

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Sir John Barron  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:20:20pm

re: #134 HappyWarrior

It absolutely stuns me that he didn’t take the time to learn that Wilson is very close with the family of Sgt Johnson and even mentored him.

Presidenting is hard.

/

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Charles Johnson  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:20:25pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:20:29pm

Afternoon Lizardim. When you’ve lost George W. Bush…

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Sir John Barron  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:21:57pm

re: #92 Ace-o-aces

General Kelly deserves better than to have to do this. Shame on Trump, shame on the media.
— Ben Shapiro

I’m surprised Ben copped to that much.

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Kragar  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:22:09pm
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Sir John Barron  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:23:09pm

re: #57 jaunte

MORAL CLARITY! MORAL ABSOLUTES!

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MsJ  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:23:29pm

re: #163 Flying Squirrel Girl

OT because I am having a hard time focusing on work: On Saturday morning, I’m leaving for 7 days in Belize!!! I’ve got so much to do between now and then, but I am alternating between getting work done and looking at pictures.

Belize is fabulous! Enjoy!

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:23:34pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:23:50pm

re: #197 FormerDirtDart

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And not a single punch was thrown. Damn.

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JordanRules  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:23:52pm

Imagine what it will be like if we get into another war. Things move fast when authoritarianism is on the menu.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:24:44pm
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wrenchwench  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:24:44pm

re: #192 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Afternoon Lizardim. When you’ve lost George W. Bush…

Get your flashlight and look under the toilet seat.

Oh, wait….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:24:51pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:25:46pm

re: #199 JordanRules

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Charles Johnson  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:26:15pm

This is a really creepy and disturbing comment.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:26:31pm

re: #198 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

And not a single punch was thrown. Damn.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:26:37pm
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Sir John Barron  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:26:46pm

re: #70 jaunte

John Kelly: “That selfless devotion that brings a man or woman to die on that battlefield, I just thought that might be sacred.”
— Fox News

Yeah, a little late for that now after your guy spent the past two years doing his bull-in-a-China all over America yelling about NEW RULES and LOCK HER UP!

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ObserverArt  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:26:53pm

Another busy day…but I have sort of been following.

I got to thinking about Trump needing to hear how great he is, like getting the Governor of Puerto Rico to praise him. Just like him having people around the table each praise him before he goes on with the meeting.

Anyone want to bet that is all he has ever heard because he is surrounded by family and lackeys that kissed ass 24 hours a day? He probably demanded it so much it just became a daily Trump family thing.

See dad; tell him he is the most awesomest business man and super father and the gift of White men everywhere.

He gets out of the house for once in his pathetic faux-king life and has to actually work with people and he wants to keep hearing those familiar voices kissing his big fat orange ass.

But then, he gets criticism from the press and people opposed to him no matter the party and he goes off like a madman because no one talks to Donald J. Trump like that because no one ever did.

And everyone thought he could become normal. Not a chance. He has never been normal.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:28:03pm

re: #199 JordanRules

Imagine what it will be like if we get into another war. Things move fast when authoritarianism is on the menu.

Something Benghazi something

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:28:31pm

re: #205 FormerDirtDart

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Okay. Not a punch was thrown at Spencer. I sit corrected on my over-generalization, however. And it’s a good day when Nazis are punched.

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fern01  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:29:20pm

So the WH consists of a group of sycophants who will support the president* by attacking anyone who dares to call him on his incompetence and unfitness for office.

A most craven group of people ever to form a government. Putin must laugh himself to sleep each and every evening.

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Belafon  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:29:50pm

re: #206 Backwoods_Sleuth

We aren’t. Republicans in Congress are.

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jaunte  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:30:23pm

re: #207 Sir John Barron

Kelly didn’t give a complete answer, and our Congress doesn’t know.

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JordanRules  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:30:23pm

Aww, he likes the Constitution!

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Belafon  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:30:59pm

re: #202 Backwoods_Sleuth

Hopefully every one of the chasers are registered to vote.

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jaunte  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:31:06pm

Sorry, bad paste. Reload for Joy Reid.

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Belafon  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:31:42pm

re: #214 JordanRules

Aww, he likes the Constitution!

The earliest he could become president is Jan 21, 2019, and it would only be for two years.

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MsJ  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:32:38pm

re: #214 JordanRules

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Aww, he likes the Constitution!

Seems rather quaint these days, doesn’t it?

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TedStriker  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:33:44pm

re: #204 Charles Johnson

This is a really creepy and disturbing comment.

SERVICE GUARANTEES CITIZENSHIP!

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Kragar  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:34:56pm
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FormerDirtDart  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:35:57pm

“The chairman of a panel charged with protecting workers at nuclear weapons facilities as well as nearby communities has told the White House he favors downsizing or abolishing the group, despite recent radiation and workplace safety problems that injured or endangered people at the sites it helps oversee.

Republican appointee Sean Sullivan, a former Navy submarine officer, told the director of the Office of Management and Budget in a private letter that closing or shrinking the Defense Nuclear Facilities Safety Board he chairs is consistent with President Trump’s ambition to cut the size of the federal workforce, according to a copy of Sullivan’s letter. It was written in June and obtained recently by the Center for Public Integrity. …”

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MsJ  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:36:54pm
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Kragar  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:37:32pm

re: #219 TedStriker

SERVICE GUARANTEES CITIZENSHIP!

Reminder that in the original story, the old governments collapsed because corrupt politicians started too many wars, then failed to take care of the veterans when they returned home, who then revolted and rebuilt society, which included corporate laws to keep big business from controlling government officials.

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Belafon  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:38:13pm

re: #221 FormerDirtDart

Republican appointee Sean Sullivan, a former Navy submarine officer

Who is only safe from radiation because of regulations and enforcement that are far more stringent than civilian installations are required to have.

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KGxvi  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:40:24pm

re: #217 Belafon

The earliest he could become president is Jan 21, 2019, and it would only be for two years.

This is an interesting question… Let’s say Obama decided to run for a House seat next year. He wins, and the Democrats garner a majority in the House, thus electing Obama Speaker of the House. More evidence comes to light of illegal activities by the Trump administration. Pence reads the writing on the wall and resigns. Trump is impeached and removed from office before either House votes on a replacement VP. Technically, Obama could be succeed as president because the 22nd Amendment says no one may be elected president more than twice. But the January 21 deadline doesn’t technically matter either because the 2 year rule applies to someone being elected. So, if the Democrats were being House of Cards devious, they’d wait to do all of this until January 2021, then Obama could serve a full 4 years.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:41:04pm
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JordanRules  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:42:12pm

re: #225 KGxvi

Whoa! Don’t threaten me with a good time Tom Clancy!

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KGxvi  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:45:07pm

re: #227 JordanRules

Whoa! Don’t threaten me with a good time Tom Clancy!

The downside is we’d have to endure Trump winning another election. Which, I’d prefer not.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:45:11pm
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Belafon  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:46:00pm

re: #227 JordanRules

Whoa! Don’t threaten me with a good time Tom Clancy!

Here’s the relevant section:

1.no person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.

He couldn’t be elected again, for sure, but a reading of this can be interpreted as if he could be “inserted” into the position for nearly a full term.

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:46:48pm
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wrenchwench  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:47:40pm

re: #221 FormerDirtDart

[Republican chairman of nuclear-facility safety board has secretly asked Trump to abolish the board]

WIPPs, there goes Carlsbad.

That’s OK, there’s another one in California.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:48:04pm

re: #229 Charles Johnson

I like the “post apocalypse” vibe of this one

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:48:21pm
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EPR-radar  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:51:31pm

re: #208 ObserverArt

Another busy day…but I have sort of been following.

I got to thinking about Trump needing to hear how great he is, like getting the Governor of Puerto Rico to praise him. Just like him having people around the table each praise him before he goes on with the meeting.

Anyone want to bet that is all he has ever heard because he is surrounded by family and lackeys that kissed ass 24 hours a day? He probably demanded it so much it just became a daily Trump family thing.

See dad; tell him he is the most awesomest business man and super father and the gift of White men everywhere.

He gets out of the house for once in his pathetic faux-king life and has to actually work with people and he wants to keep hearing those familiar voices kissing his big fat orange ass.

But then, he gets criticism from the press and people opposed to him no matter the party and he goes off like a madman because no one talks to Donald J. Trump like that because no one ever did.

And everyone thought he could become normal. Not a chance. He has never been normal.

Before he became POTUS, t**** had the best ‘job’ in the world. He was the rich asshole living in the rich asshole bubble where he could (and did) make sure everyone around him treated him as God-Emperor or they would get sacked.

Being president does not offer anywhere near that level of 100% ego gratification. t****’s compensation for this will almost certainly involve an attempt to use US nukes as his toys.

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darthstar  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:52:33pm

re: #222 MsJ

Want to get shit done? Work with the Democrats.

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JordanRules  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:53:38pm

The line was insane! Nice lil video effect to capture it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:54:50pm

lol…way to represent Alabama:

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:56:39pm

re: #238 Backwoods_Sleuth

lol…way to represent Alabama:

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If that’s not parody I’ll shoot myself.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:57:10pm

re: #230 Belafon

Here’s the relevant section:

He couldn’t be elected again, for sure, but a reading of this can be interpreted as if he could be “inserted” into the position for nearly a full term.

Certainly reads as though in the very unlikely event that Obama got elected in 2018, became Speaker of the House, the Democrats take over the Senate, and then Mueller dispatches Trump and Pence at once, Obama would be eligible to serve for the next couple years.

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KGxvi  Oct 19, 2017 • 1:59:27pm

re: #234 goddamnedfrank

I don’t know who that guy is, but it’s worth noting that Bush gave similar speeches while president. He defended Muslim Americans after 9/11 - at a time when it would have been very easy to go the opposite way. Bush has been consistent on these ideals, despite, as I said uptread, his several other flaws.

So, if you read Bush’s comments and take offense, the problem probably isn’t that Bush has gone off reservation.

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Citizen K  Oct 19, 2017 • 2:00:18pm

Another day, yet another embarrassment of callousness that, were it any other president, would have instantly sunk their administration and been the tipping point for their demise. Yet I find myself knowing Trump will somehow skate by on this again despite demonstrating that he has no concept of empathy whatsoever, and that he’s surrounded by valueless, spineless sycophantic yes men. Literally nothing can ever be his fault by definition because he’s a golden god of humanity in his eyes, and he’s ensured that no one else around him would dare say otherwise.

And because the media loves that kind of dumb blind self-assurance, we can probably expect this to be ignored by them by the end of next week. Because nothing fucking matters.

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petesh  Oct 19, 2017 • 2:00:33pm

re: #241 KGxvi

I don’t know who that guy is, but it’s worth noting that Bush gave similar speeches while president. He defended Muslim Americans after 9/11 - at a time when it would have been very easy to go the opposite way. Bush has been consistent on these ideals, despite, as I said uptread, his several other flaws.

So, if you read Bush’s comments and take offense, the problem probably isn’t that Bush has gone off reservation.

Yes, that was in fact the high point of his disastrous presidency.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 19, 2017 • 2:02:00pm
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Belafon  Oct 19, 2017 • 2:03:36pm

re: #241 KGxvi

We’re learning the difference between “near complete incompetence” and “amateur evil.”

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 19, 2017 • 2:05:01pm

re: #234 goddamnedfrank

Wow. Way to go, Kilgore.

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 19, 2017 • 2:07:40pm
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goddamnedfrank  Oct 19, 2017 • 2:07:48pm
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FormerDirtDart  Oct 19, 2017 • 2:08:17pm

So much for all that “Global Warming” nonsense…

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HappyWarrior  Oct 19, 2017 • 2:08:23pm

re: #176 JordanRules

Mmm hmmm

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Denni Green speaks for me.

JFC. What a jerk.

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 19, 2017 • 2:09:00pm

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 19, 2017 • 2:09:04pm

re: #249 FormerDirtDart

So much for all that “Global Warming” nonsense…

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MsJ  Oct 19, 2017 • 2:09:26pm

re: #234 goddamnedfrank

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 19, 2017 • 2:09:48pm

re: #248 goddamnedfrank

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Beat you by 8 seconds.

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TedStriker  Oct 19, 2017 • 2:10:52pm

re: #238 Backwoods_Sleuth

lol…way to represent Alabama:

That has to be a Poe…

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 19, 2017 • 2:11:54pm

re: #254 Ace-o-aces

Beat you by 8 seconds.

Sneaky little hobbitses.

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 19, 2017 • 2:13:02pm

re: #252 FormerDirtDart

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makeitstop  Oct 19, 2017 • 2:13:24pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 19, 2017 • 2:13:36pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 19, 2017 • 2:13:54pm

re: #241 KGxvi

I don’t know who that guy is, but it’s worth noting that Bush gave similar speeches while president. He defended Muslim Americans after 9/11 - at a time when it would have been very easy to go the opposite way. Bush has been consistent on these ideals, despite, as I said uptread, his several other flaws.

So, if you read Bush’s comments and take offense, the problem probably isn’t that Bush has gone off reservation.

Yep Bush is being consistent with his rhetoric as President. If Kurt feels betrayed, that’s on him.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 19, 2017 • 2:14:55pm

re: #258 makeitstop

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EPR-radar  Oct 19, 2017 • 2:15:00pm

re: #243 petesh

Yes, that was in fact the high point of his disastrous presidency.

Many deplorables viewed that as a low point of the W Bush years.

If, god forbid, there is a major terrorist attack in the US that is attributed to Islamist extremists while t**** is in office, t**** will lead a pogrom vs. American Muslims.

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 19, 2017 • 2:18:29pm

re: #256 goddamnedfrank

Sneaky little hobbitses.

He flopped as a defensive coordinator, but that hair deserves and NFL contract.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 19, 2017 • 2:18:57pm

re: #253 MsJ

Kurt’s scumbag friends are calling Bush “scum” for calling out racists. They live in an inverted reality.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 19, 2017 • 2:19:21pm

I’d love to be a fly on the wall at the Bush compound in Maine and hear what GWB, Jeb, and GHWB think of Trump off camera.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 19, 2017 • 2:20:14pm

re: #264 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Kurt’s scumbag friends are calling Bush “scum” for calling out racists. They live in an inverted reality.

Right wing snowflakes.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 19, 2017 • 2:23:02pm

re: #249 FormerDirtDart

So much for all that “Global Warming” nonsense…

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I didn’t hear the word “cooler” from NOAA this morning. Here’s Wilmington NWS confirming that:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 19, 2017 • 2:27:12pm
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Belafon  Oct 19, 2017 • 2:28:56pm

re: #268 Backwoods_Sleuth

We have everyone chain except White Castle in Rockwall, and we’re not missing it.

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Belafon  Oct 19, 2017 • 2:30:49pm

re: #268 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s also funny that the most popular restaurant in OK is from Texas, and the most popular in Texas is from California.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 19, 2017 • 2:31:04pm

re: #267 Backwoods_Sleuth

I didn’t hear the word “cooler” from NOAA this morning. Here’s Wilmington NWS confirming that:

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U.S. Winter Outlook: NOAA forecasters predict cooler, wetter North and warmer, drier South - NOAA

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 19, 2017 • 2:31:15pm

re: #268 Backwoods_Sleuth

Is Chik-Fil-A even in all those states?

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MsJ  Oct 19, 2017 • 2:31:36pm

re: #268 Backwoods_Sleuth

Chic-fil-A in Illinois? No way. Sorry, just no way.

And I never even heard of the one in CA.

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MsJ  Oct 19, 2017 • 2:32:41pm

re: #272 Eclectic Cyborg

Is Chik-Fil-A even in all those states?

I saw one in IL when I was there last. It was the first time I ever saw one. And I lived their most of my life.

I lived in VA for a few years back in the 80s and they were there (their food isn’t all that great) but in IL, there is no way they are #1.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 19, 2017 • 2:32:55pm

re: #269 Belafon

We have everyone chain except White Castle in Rockwall, and we’re not missing it.

I’ve never seen a Chik-fil-a in Kentucky, much less stepped foot in one anywhere. Far as I can tell, the nearest location is about 100 miles away.

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JordanRules  Oct 19, 2017 • 2:33:41pm

re: #268 Backwoods_Sleuth

In AZ Taco Bell reigns supreme. This is weird.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 19, 2017 • 2:33:47pm

re: #53 Targetpractice

Well, I think we can safely kill any talk about Kelly doing the honorable thing and resigning, even though he reportedly was pissed over Trump using his dead son as a political shield.

Kelly is not honorable so he can’t act in a honorable manner. Under his brief stay as head of Homeland Security, ICE vamped up harassment/deportation of migrants and CBP ramped up harassment of visitors.

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nines09  Oct 19, 2017 • 2:33:51pm

re: #205 FormerDirtDart

Bit ‘O mustad on them chops…

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 19, 2017 • 2:34:02pm

Raising Cane’s has only 3 locations in California, all in the L.A. area. They must be pretty busy as the most popular fast food the whole state of 39 million people.

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JordanRules  Oct 19, 2017 • 2:34:14pm
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Belafon  Oct 19, 2017 • 2:34:42pm

re: #273 MsJ

Chic-fil-A in Illinois? No way. Sorry, just no way.

And I never even heard of the one in CA.

Raising Cane’s is a chicken strip restaurant, originally from Louisiana. Named after the owner’s dog, Cane. About the only thing to me that stands out is their sauce, but their baskets come with fries and toast.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 19, 2017 • 2:34:45pm

re: #271 FormerDirtDart

U.S. Winter Outlook: NOAA forecasters predict cooler, wetter North and warmer, drier South - NOAA

I must have been just paying attention to my particular Great Lakes region of North America. We get the warmer/wetter part.

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MsJ  Oct 19, 2017 • 2:35:58pm

So this guy just liked my tweet and didn’t block me even though he said he blocks haters. I think he’s satire.

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Belafon  Oct 19, 2017 • 2:36:12pm

re: #280 JordanRules

I’m buying the Margaret Hamilton one.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 19, 2017 • 2:36:37pm

“Conservative media sites on Tuesday attempted to link the Sunday arrest of a Latino man on suspicion of arson in Sonoma to the massive, deadly cluster of wildfires burning in California’s wine country.

But Breitbart News and InfoWars offered no evidence to link the man’s arrest to the fires and their accounts of the man’s arrest were disputed the same day by Sonoma County Sheriff Rob Giordano.

“There’s a story out there he’s the arsonist for these fires. That is not the case. There is no indication he is related to these fires at all,” Giordano said in a news conference also broadcast on the department’s Facebook page and area TV stations. “I just did want to kill that speculation right now so we didn’t have things running too far out of control.” …”

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 19, 2017 • 2:37:41pm

re: #61 JordanRules

Kelly is a bigot who wishes the yam could hide his bigotry better.

Say it louder for the folks who keep praising him and Mattis. If Kelly wasn’t a bigot, he wouldn’t feel so comfortable working under a Bigot.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 19, 2017 • 2:38:24pm
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JordanRules  Oct 19, 2017 • 2:38:57pm

re: #281 Belafon

It stresses me out that their “coleslaw” is the only veggie in sight. But yeah, sauce is alright. The rest is very meh.

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Renaissance_Man  Oct 19, 2017 • 2:40:05pm

re: #268 Backwoods_Sleuth

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If you read that actual study, the methodology is laughable. There’s no way that Chick-fil-A, with so few outlets in some states, is more popular than a local chain such as Culver’s or Popeyes.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 19, 2017 • 2:40:11pm

re: #273 MsJ

Chic-fil-A in Illinois? No way. Sorry, just no way.

And I never even heard of the one in CA.

Fox Valley mall. Right next to Popeyes, which is much better.

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EPR-radar  Oct 19, 2017 • 2:40:56pm

Bush’s comments in the OP are pretty clearly aimed at t**** and the deplorables, but they also apply to conservatives and Republicans.

t****’s deplorables are just enthusiastic Republicans and conservatives. This is what that movement has become.

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bratwurst  Oct 19, 2017 • 2:42:56pm

re: #246 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Wow. Way to go, Kilgore.

This is NOT “our” Kilgore.

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JordanRules  Oct 19, 2017 • 2:43:34pm

re: #289 Renaissance_Man

Damn near looking like an advert.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 19, 2017 • 2:44:25pm

re: #268 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Me either.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 19, 2017 • 2:44:31pm
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Belafon  Oct 19, 2017 • 2:44:46pm

re: #289 Renaissance_Man

If you read that actual study, the methodology is laughable. There’s no way that Chick-fil-A, with so few outlets in some states, is more popular than a local chain such as Culver’s or Popeyes.

For the study, we looked at which chains received the most visits on average in every state based on the total number of visits to each chain divided by the number of locations in that state.

Yeah, that’s a crappy way to measure it. “Don’t build two stores, or you’ll drop in ranking.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 19, 2017 • 2:46:01pm
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Belafon  Oct 19, 2017 • 2:46:06pm

Now, I will admit that the Chick-Fil-A in my home town is busier than hell in the evening and on Saturday.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 19, 2017 • 2:46:22pm

re: #287 FormerDirtDart

Makes me want to cry. We so miss our President — especially on days like this when Trump’s odiousness comes through so clearly. Sigh.

Go Northam!! Go Herring!!

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 19, 2017 • 2:46:41pm

JFC Fox is pounding on this bogus shit

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MsJ  Oct 19, 2017 • 2:46:56pm

re: #290 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Fox Valley mall. Right next to Popeyes, which is much better.

Thanks.

I’d think, to be #1 in IL, you’d need to be big in Chicagoland (where I am from) or be in every small town downstate.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 19, 2017 • 2:47:30pm

re: #298 Belafon

Now, I will admit that the Chick-Fil-A in my home town is busier than hell in the evening and on Saturday.

One is across the street from my complex. PACKED at all times.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 19, 2017 • 2:47:43pm

re: #297 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Christopher Perkins is not too subtle with the Nazi twitter handle…

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 19, 2017 • 2:50:48pm

re: #300 The Vicious Babushka

So Williams is part of the 5% of Black people who carry water for a President who hates their guts. Good to know. And this Clinton hatred is so nonsensical. She’s no longer in politics. They need to let it go.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 19, 2017 • 2:51:28pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 19, 2017 • 2:53:06pm

Frontline: Mosul

Heartbreaking. Check your local listings.

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MsJ  Oct 19, 2017 • 2:53:44pm

re: #306 FormerDirtDart

What is that…I can’t see it?

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Belafon  Oct 19, 2017 • 2:54:26pm

Just remembered: I saw a CNN Headline ticker that said “Minister stabs wife 123 times, blames cough medicine.” It might have been 132, but you get the point. Or she did.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 19, 2017 • 2:55:03pm

re: #268 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I could only find two location for Chick-fil-A in New Hampshire. They must do a shitload of business at those two spots.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 19, 2017 • 2:58:38pm

re: #306 FormerDirtDart

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jeebus, I thought that was satire. But when I googled “Trumpcare Medicare” the first two hits were google ads for Trumpcare plans.

O_o

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 19, 2017 • 3:00:36pm

re: #311 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus, I thought that was satire. But when I googled “Trumpcare Medicare” the first two hits were google ads for Trumpcare plans.

O_o

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calochortus  Oct 19, 2017 • 3:00:59pm

re: #311 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus, I thought that was satire. But when I googled “Trumpcare Medicare” the first two hits were google ads for Trumpcare plans.

O_o

I’ve been getting stuff in my spam folder for months about “TrumpCare” plans. I can’t tell you anything about them because, well, spam. Who clicks on it?

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petesh  Oct 19, 2017 • 3:01:25pm

re: #300 The Vicious Babushka

Just because the Tr*mp Foundation exists to put $$ in Tr*mp’s pockets does not mean that the Clinton Foundation does likewise. Even if they did get $175m from dubious sources (and I’m not going to take some ranting idiot on Fox on his word without supporting evidence), they spent it on poor people. See every exposé ever done on the Clinton Foundation. It’s clean.

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makeitstop  Oct 19, 2017 • 3:01:26pm

re: #300 The Vicious Babushka

JFC Fox is pounding on this bogus shit

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I remember when Juan Williams was worthy of some respect.

They must pay him really well to play the ‘liberal’ in that shithole.

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Targetpractice  Oct 19, 2017 • 3:01:41pm

re: #300 The Vicious Babushka

JFC Fox is pounding on this bogus shit

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You can smell the desperation through the screen. It’s a story that hits all the wingnut g-spots: Obama, Clinton, “scandal,” and “whataboutism.” That it’s a rehash of a debunked conspiracy theory is just icing on the whole thing.

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Belafon  Oct 19, 2017 • 3:02:38pm

re: #314 petesh

Just because the Tr*mp Foundation exists to put $$ in Tr*mp’s pockets does not mean that the Clinton Foundation does likewise. Even if they did get $175m from dubious sources (and I’m not going to take some ranting idiot on Fox on his word without supporting evidence), they spent it on poor people. See every exposé ever done on the Clinton Foundation. It’s clean.

“I’ll help you obtain Uranium if you’ll help me cure malaria in Africa.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 19, 2017 • 3:02:58pm
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Targetpractice  Oct 19, 2017 • 3:03:24pm

re: #306 FormerDirtDart

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Ah, so it will be a classic Trump venture: He’ll put his name on something that he’s personally worked to undermine, watch as it fails spectacularly, then blame others as he escapes out the window.

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VegasGolfer  Oct 19, 2017 • 3:03:35pm

The only reason people eat at chik fil a is, we know why.
I would never eat there, i heard the food is nothing special.
The neighborhood where I live is mostly right leaning, and they were drooling all over themselves for the chance to eat that fried crap.
I think the peole who eat there have some deep ingrained fear of the other, and this place is the symbol for all that is going on right now.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 19, 2017 • 3:04:00pm
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ObserverArt  Oct 19, 2017 • 3:04:17pm

re: #275 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’ve never seen a Chik-fil-a in Kentucky, much less stepped foot in one anywhere. Far as I can tell, the nearest location is about 100 miles away.

We have them in Columbus now. I have not been to one, doubt I ever will. Their politics make there stuff taste bad.

We also have Raising Canes “Chicken Fingers” here. First one was on the Ohio State Campus. Never tried anything from them but they are busy.

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Targetpractice  Oct 19, 2017 • 3:04:54pm

re: #318 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It won’t matter, the old adage about a lie getting halfway around the world is the order of the day. Pompeo’s announcement will be taken as the truth, the intel community calling him on it treated as a “cover-up,” as by this time tomorrow every wingnut from here to Bangkok will mindlessly declare that Pompeo “proved” that Russia had no effect on the election and the investigation is a “witch hunt.”

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JordanRules  Oct 19, 2017 • 3:04:57pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 19, 2017 • 3:05:36pm

re: #320 VegasGolfer

The only reason people eat at chik fil a is, we know why.
I would never eat there, i heard the food is nothing special.
The neighborhood where I live is mostly right leaning, and they were drooling all over themselves for the chance to eat that fried crap.
I think the peole who eat there have some deep ingrained fear of the other, and this place is the symbol for all that is going on right now.

To be honest, the food is decent compared to other fast food chicken. I eat it because it’s tasty. I don’t agree with the company’s virulent brand of Churchianity, but I’m also not one to boycott. I’ll probably visit one of the few franchises here in the wild north country over the weekend, in fact.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 19, 2017 • 3:06:17pm

re: #324 JordanRules

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99% of WGN’s shareholders probably just signed the proxy ballot without any thought that their votes collectively could have made a difference.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 19, 2017 • 3:06:22pm

re: #315 makeitstop

I remember when Juan Williams was worthy of some respect.

They must pay him really well to play the ‘liberal’ in that shithole.

He was a guest host on Rush Limbaugh. When did he ever deserve respect?

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Targetpractice  Oct 19, 2017 • 3:07:49pm

I haven’t eaten Chik-Fil-A in ages because I’d have to go out of my way to get to the nearest one. There’s other restaurants that are closer and even in the shopping center there are places with superior food. The chicken sandwiches are good, but not good enough for me to make the drive to get one.

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Belafon  Oct 19, 2017 • 3:08:14pm

re: #320 VegasGolfer

The only reason people eat at chik fil a is, we know why.
I would never eat there, i heard the food is nothing special.
The neighborhood where I live is mostly right leaning, and they were drooling all over themselves for the chance to eat that fried crap.
I think the peole who eat there have some deep ingrained fear of the other, and this place is the symbol for all that is going on right now.

Let’s dispel a few things. I like the chicken. I like the spices they use, as do a whole lot of other people. I like their chicken soup, and their wraps are far better than the ones you can get at places like McDonald’s. I also like their waffle fries.

No, a lot of people don’t have fear of others. I can tell you that most of the people in my rather wealthy little city of 42K doesn’t really care about your gender or sexual preference, and have actually gotten pretty rowdy when laws have tried to change to ban them.

Maybe compared to some holes in the wall or higher end restaurants, they’re mediocre, but they’re not any worse than any other fast food restaurant.

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bratwurst  Oct 19, 2017 • 3:09:05pm

re: #324 JordanRules

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As is the case with most mergers, the shareholders of the company being acquired are the only people on earth who will benefit.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 19, 2017 • 3:10:36pm

re: #308 MsJ

What is that…I can’t see it?

re: #311 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus, I thought that was satire. But when I googled “Trumpcare Medicare” the first two hits were google ads for Trumpcare plans.

O_o

Yeah, definitely spam. Likely “great policies” to plus up your Medicare coverage.
Nothing like robbing old people on the internet

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VegasGolfer  Oct 19, 2017 • 3:10:47pm

re: #325 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Decent is not a measure I use to choose where I eat, there are so many choices to eat that have great food here in vegas, that I dont waste my money on average.
But everybody is different.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 19, 2017 • 3:11:28pm

re: #320 VegasGolfer

The only reason people eat at chik fil a is, we know why.
I would never eat there, i heard the food is nothing special.
The neighborhood where I live is mostly right leaning, and they were drooling all over themselves for the chance to eat that fried crap.
I think the peole who eat there have some deep ingrained fear of the other, and this place is the symbol for all that is going on right now.

Chik Fil A is nothing special.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 19, 2017 • 3:11:36pm
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meteor  Oct 19, 2017 • 3:11:49pm
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FormerDirtDart  Oct 19, 2017 • 3:12:21pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 19, 2017 • 3:12:23pm

The one in CA specializes in chicken tenders and fresh lemonade.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 19, 2017 • 3:12:40pm

re: #332 VegasGolfer

Decent is not a measure I use to choose where I eat, there are so many choices to eat that have great food here in vegas, that I dont waste my money on average.
But everybody is different.

You can afford that luxury. To go from “decent” to “great” here in the wild north country is to spend triple or more what you would pay at a “decent” sit-down restaurant.

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TedStriker  Oct 19, 2017 • 3:12:57pm

re: #325 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

To be honest, the food is decent compared to other fast food chicken. I eat it because it’s tasty. I don’t agree with the company’s virulent brand of Churchianity, but I’m also not one to boycott. I’ll probably visit one of the few franchises here in the wild north country over the weekend, in fact.

I concur, though I like to mix things up and go to Zaxby’s sometimes.

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jaunte  Oct 19, 2017 • 3:13:12pm

re: #336 FormerDirtDart

Hence the phrase “keep on snuggling that chicken.”

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VegasGolfer  Oct 19, 2017 • 3:13:44pm

So if people who frequent this place dont know what chik fil a stands for and still chooses to give them their money, i just have to scratch my head and wonder.

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JordanRules  Oct 19, 2017 • 3:13:49pm

re: #337 Eclectic Cyborg

They all do, that’s not unique to Cali.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 19, 2017 • 3:15:09pm
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Barefoot Grin  Oct 19, 2017 • 3:15:30pm

I guess tastes vary. When we lived in Virginia my kids would get special discounts to the local Chik Fil A through school, so we went several times. Not bad, but I really never felt like it was anything that special.

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William Lewis  Oct 19, 2017 • 3:15:38pm

re: #338 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

You can afford that luxury. To go from “decent” to “great” here in the wild north country is to spend triple or more what you would pay at a “decent” sit-down restaurant.

I am so glad I have a decent greasy spoon here in town. Nothing special but at least it’s reasonably priced, decent food and good portions. The really good places in town start at 2x for bar food & 3 - 4x for steak house fare.

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jaunte  Oct 19, 2017 • 3:15:49pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 19, 2017 • 3:16:32pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 19, 2017 • 3:18:07pm
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jaunte  Oct 19, 2017 • 3:19:45pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 19, 2017 • 3:21:00pm

re: #349 jaunte

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good grief…I recall something hauntingly similar happening during the campaign, but I’m too tired to google it.

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jaunte  Oct 19, 2017 • 3:22:15pm

Not good atall.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 19, 2017 • 3:23:37pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 19, 2017 • 3:25:22pm
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JordanRules  Oct 19, 2017 • 3:25:52pm

……….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 19, 2017 • 3:29:26pm

LOL…the fast food tweet haz disappeared…

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petesh  Oct 19, 2017 • 3:30:10pm

re: #317 Belafon

“I’ll help you obtain Uranium if you’ll help me cure malaria in Africa.”

Dont give Trump ideas. He’d sell a deal on that and then, er, need to be reminded about the curing bit. More seriously, he does nothing without considering the question “what’s in it for me?” and tends to have a rather, um, short-sighted view about the answer. Which is why I will find it so amusing if WaPo actually forced him into shelling out 25 grand. The million to vets was good, but the 25 grand to someone short of cash, now that’s worth a horse laugh.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 19, 2017 • 3:30:52pm

re: #354 JordanRules

[Embedded content]

……….

oh. such bullshite.

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JordanRules  Oct 19, 2017 • 3:31:34pm

re: #354 JordanRules

They have done this tethering with white students before, but how does a teacher not know that this isn’t a good look??

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sagehen  Oct 19, 2017 • 3:33:40pm

re: #358 JordanRules

They have done this tethering with white students before, but how does a teacher not know that this isn’t a good look??

She “doesn’t see color.”

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Scout  Oct 19, 2017 • 3:35:12pm

re: #259 Backwoods_Sleuth

Everyone’s getting a good picture of why we have historically maintained a division between military and civilian leadership now, yes?

Out of the many evils the republican party has wrought, this has been one of the most troubling — and horrifying — to me.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 19, 2017 • 3:37:20pm

re: #327 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

He was a guest host on Rush Limbaugh. When did he ever deserve respect?

That’s Walter not Juan. Walter is an economics professor at my alma mater.

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JordanRules  Oct 19, 2017 • 3:40:53pm
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Stanley Sea  Oct 19, 2017 • 3:41:34pm

GO GATORS

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JordanRules  Oct 19, 2017 • 3:42:36pm

re: #353 Backwoods_Sleuth

General Kelly’s sacredness is reserved for certain women and I’d bet Rep Wilson isn’t one of them.

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TedStriker  Oct 19, 2017 • 3:43:28pm

re: #363 Stanley Sea

Crowd goes wild when young woman asks Richard Spencer how it felt to get punched in a face pic.twitter.com

— Christopher Mathias (@letsgomathias) October 19, 2017

GO GATORS

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makeitstop  Oct 19, 2017 • 3:44:06pm

re: #363 Stanley Sea

[Embedded content]

GO GATORS

They did you right today.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 19, 2017 • 3:45:01pm

re: #361 HappyWarrior

That’s Walter not Juan. Walter is an economics professor at my alma mater.

Gahhhh, thanks for that. It’s been years beyond count since I’ve listened to the pompous windbag, all I remember was Williams.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 19, 2017 • 3:45:31pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 19, 2017 • 3:46:26pm

re: #352 Backwoods_Sleuth

I think this is where the “He knew what he was getting into” comment came from.

Kelly, who understands the point of self-sacrifice and reveres it as an American value would say, “He was killed doing what he loved. He knew this was what he was signing up for”, and in saying it he’d know and convey that he meant it to honor the sacrifice.

Trump, OTOH, does not consider sacrifice to be a value worth respecting. So he’d say it in such a way that it would convey, “You knew the job was dangerous when you took it.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 19, 2017 • 3:47:07pm

re: #369 Blind Frog Belly White

I think this is where the “He knew what he was getting into” comment came from.

Kelly, who understands the point of self-sacrifice and reveres it as an American value would say, “He was killed doing what he loved. He knew this was what he was signing up for”, and in saying it he’d know and convey that he meant it to honor the sacrifice.

Trump, OTOH, does not consider sacrifice to be a value worth respecting. So he’d say it in such a way that it would convey, “You knew the job was dangerous when you took it.”

absolutely.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 19, 2017 • 3:50:58pm

re: #368 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Ingraham: “How many of you give much credibility to the woman who walks around with a rhinestone cowboy hat? … This woman’s a nutbag”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 19, 2017 • 3:51:10pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 19, 2017 • 3:51:50pm

re: #371 Blind Frog Belly White

Ingraham: “How many of you give much credibility to the woman who walks around with a rhinestone cowboy hat? … This woman’s a nutbag”

[Embedded content]

yep.
And at least Rep. Wilson’s hat actually fits her head.

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KGxvi  Oct 19, 2017 • 3:53:45pm

re: #363 Stanley Sea

[Embedded content]

GO GATORS

I generally don’t approve of anything the SEC does (both the collegiate body and the regulatory body, actually), but I can get behind this.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 19, 2017 • 3:55:21pm

re: #363 Stanley Sea

[Embedded content]

GO GATORS

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 19, 2017 • 3:56:10pm

re: #319 Targetpractice

Ah, so it will be a classic Trump venture: He’ll put his name on something that he’s personally worked to undermine, watch as it fails spectacularly, then blame others as he escapes out the window we kick him out the door.

Edited for optimism.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 19, 2017 • 3:56:11pm
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KGxvi  Oct 19, 2017 • 3:56:54pm

re: #362 JordanRules

I heard something about this while I was driving this morning. Apparently Trump personally interviewed potential US Attorneys for Manhattan, Brooklyn, and DC, but not anywhere else. Those are three places where he (or his businesses) could face liability, which is obviously troubling.

Beyond that, I wonder how commonplace it is for the president to interview potential US Attorneys?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 19, 2017 • 3:57:04pm

re: #373 Backwoods_Sleuth

yep.
And at least Rep. Wilson’s hat actually fits her head.

Whereas Clarke’s is verging on ‘Novelty Foam Cowboy Hat’ size.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 19, 2017 • 3:58:28pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 19, 2017 • 3:59:43pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 19, 2017 • 4:01:33pm

re: #381 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

If you put ‘em on a pedestal, you don’t have to let them vote.

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makeitstop  Oct 19, 2017 • 4:01:54pm

re: #378 KGxvi

I heard something about this while I was driving this morning. Apparently Trump personally interviewed potential US Attorneys for Manhattan, Brooklyn, and DC, but not anywhere else. Those are three places where he (or his businesses) could face liability, which is obviously troubling.

Beyond that, I wonder how commonplace it is for the president to interview potential US Attorneys?

I saw a tweet from Preet Bharara that said he checked with numerous colleagues and can affirm that Obama never did it.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 19, 2017 • 4:02:57pm

re: #368 Backwoods_Sleuth

What the hat immediately reminded me of:

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JordanRules  Oct 19, 2017 • 4:03:28pm

Good read.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 19, 2017 • 4:04:02pm

re: #368 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Bitter has been says what.

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KGxvi  Oct 19, 2017 • 4:04:24pm

re: #381 Backwoods_Sleuth

Pre-19th Amendment. It wasn’t until some website raised the issue during the Weinstein coverage that I noticed it, but this seems like part of the “they are our wives and daughters and sisters” thing. It is, possibly subconsciously, a failure to recognize the humanity of women. It should be enough that women are, shockingly enough, people.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 19, 2017 • 4:04:25pm

Wilson wears the hat in tribute to her grandmother btw.

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JordanRules  Oct 19, 2017 • 4:05:18pm

re: #387 KGxvi

That’s definitely how I read it and it pisses me off.

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lawhawk  Oct 19, 2017 • 4:06:12pm

re: #368 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’d respond to Woods, but he blocked me after I lit into him after his last sheer dumbfuckery.

But if I could respond to him, the fact is that Trump spoke inappropriately to a Gold Star Family *AGAIN* and everything that was said was completely and accurately reported.

Trump is the asshat who said all that. That a member of Congress made Trump’s insane and inane comment public is a service to the nation, exposing Trump once again as a person who is absolutely clueless how to interact with anyone who isn’t a servant.

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KGxvi  Oct 19, 2017 • 4:06:24pm

re: #384 Eclectic Cyborg

Do not disrespect one of the greatest of all time.

Macho Man Randy Savage - The Cream of the Crop

(still more coherent than Trump)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 19, 2017 • 4:08:24pm

re: #387 KGxvi

Pre-19th Amendment. It wasn’t until some website raised the issue during the Weinstein coverage that I noticed it, but this seems like part of the “they are our wives and daughters and sisters” thing. It is, possibly subconsciously, a failure to recognize the humanity of women. It should be enough that women are, shockingly enough, people.

It is. I saw that “She’s Someone’s Wife/Mother/Daughter/Sister” meme altered to:

She’s Someone’s Wife/Mother/Daughter/Sister

393
Skip Intro  Oct 19, 2017 • 4:10:26pm

394
Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 19, 2017 • 4:13:15pm

re: #390 lawhawk

I’d respond to Woods, but he blocked me after I lit into him after his last sheer dumbfuckery.

But if I could respond to him, the fact is that Trump spoke inappropriately to a Gold Star Family *AGAIN* and everything that was said was completely and accurately reported.

Trump is the asshat who said all that. That a member of Congress made Trump’s insane and inane comment public is a service to the nation, exposing Trump once again as a person who is absolutely clueless how to interact with anyone who isn’t a servant.

Honestly, you’d think his staff would be smart enough by now to prevent him talking to people in situations that require empathy.

There’s the story of how Bush met or talked to the wife of a soldier who was killed, and she screamed at him, and he accepted it.

Can you imagine Trump in that situation? Jesus.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 19, 2017 • 4:14:48pm

re: #391 KGxvi

I’m not. The congresswoman and Randy Savage are BOTH awesome.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 19, 2017 • 4:14:52pm

re: #394 Blind Frog Belly White

Honestly, you’d think his staff would be smart enough by now to prevent him talking to people in situations that require empathy.

There’s the story of how Bush met or talked to the wife of a soldier who was killed, and she screamed at him, and he accepted it.

Can you imagine Trump in that situation? Jesus.

I can. He’d be yelling at the widow and shambling around.

I wish Obama could come back for a couple of weeks, so we could all have a vacation from this, and unwind.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 19, 2017 • 4:15:43pm

BOOM

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 19, 2017 • 4:17:30pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 19, 2017 • 4:17:47pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 19, 2017 • 4:20:13pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 19, 2017 • 4:20:49pm

Interesting sentiment coming from someone who works for Trump.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 19, 2017 • 4:20:54pm

re: #377 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

OLD bridge

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JordanRules  Oct 19, 2017 • 4:21:50pm

Oh y’all check out this thread about Lulu choosing to live her best life.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 19, 2017 • 4:22:21pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 19, 2017 • 4:23:57pm

re: #401 Blind Frog Belly White

Interesting sentiment coming from someone who works for Trump.

[Embedded content]

He’s full of it.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 19, 2017 • 4:25:52pm

re: #404 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Very well said, sir.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 19, 2017 • 4:26:31pm

Kelly needs to talk to his boss. His boss flat out said he liked people who weren’t captured. His boss called our military losers throughout his campaign.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Oct 19, 2017 • 4:27:22pm

somebody elsewhere just spent a ton of energy trying to convince me that they were a well briefed progressive and bernie supporter

but then they told me that they thought hillary was worse than trump

worse than trump. what a concept

409
HappyWarrior  Oct 19, 2017 • 4:29:31pm

re: #408 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

somebody elsewhere just spent a ton of energy trying to convince me that they were a well briefed progressive and bernie supporter

but then they told me that they thought hillary was worse than trump

worse than trump. what a concept

Anyone who thinks that and considers themselves a person of the left needs to be smacked.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 19, 2017 • 4:29:50pm

re: #408 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

somebody elsewhere just spent a ton of energy trying to convince me that they were a well briefed progressive and bernie supporter

but then they told me that they thought hillary was worse than trump

worse than trump. what a concept

You will find a lot of Bernie supporters who would chant “Lock Her Up”. They are no better than the Trumpsters and many voted for him.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 19, 2017 • 4:30:36pm

re: #410 Hecuba’s daughter

You will find a lot of Bernie supporters who would chant “Lock Her Up”. They are no better than the Trumpsters and many voted for him.

And they did that at the convention!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 19, 2017 • 4:31:19pm

re: #396 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I can. He’d be yelling at the widow and shambling around.

I wish Obama could come back for a couple of weeks, so we could all have a vacation from this, and unwind.

I keep having the same thought - the things Trump is worst at are the things that should be simplest.

In this case, I already mentioned above how he SHOULD have said the part about Sgt. Johnson choosing this life. Of course, he really shouldn’t have said it at all.

But then when called on what he said, and especially because it involves a grieving family, the right thing to say is, “I’m very sorry if I expressed it poorly. I meant to convey that La David, like all of those who serve our country in the military, choose this life, knowing that it may mean making the ultimate sacrifice for all of us.”

But, no. He has to fight back, because he’s a fucking child in a man suit. An oversize, ill-fitting man suit.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 19, 2017 • 4:32:09pm
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JordanRules  Oct 19, 2017 • 4:33:13pm
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William Lewis  Oct 19, 2017 • 4:33:35pm

re: #404 Backwoods_Sleuth

(from the tweet) “His husband is active duty.”

A decade ago, that couldn’t happen.

A decade from now, no one will care.

Fuck you Mr. President*, America & Americans will win despite you and yours.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Oct 19, 2017 • 4:36:06pm

re: #410 Hecuba’s daughter

You will find a lot of Bernie supporters who would chant “Lock Her Up”. They are no better than the Trumpsters and many voted for him.

Children of Putin

417
gocart mozart  Oct 19, 2017 • 4:37:47pm

re: #238 Backwoods_Sleuth

Why can the Nabisco Company get away with slapping the word “CRACKER” all over their products but if I mispronounce the country of Niger just once …

418
goddamnedfrank  Oct 19, 2017 • 4:42:03pm
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lawhawk  Oct 19, 2017 • 4:45:25pm

re: #394 Blind Frog Belly White

I posted that story about Bush just yesterday. It’s from Dana Perino’s book and talks of GWB visiting Walter Reed and meeting with families. One woman whose relative was near death yelled at GWB, and GWB just took it.

And that was just the first patient we saw. For the rest of the visit to the hospital that day, almost every family had the same reaction of joy when they saw the president. But there were exceptions. One mom and dad of a dying soldier from the Caribbean were devastated, the mom beside herself with grief. She yelled at the president, wanting to know why it was her child and not his who lay in that hospital bed. Her husband tried to calm her, and I noticed the president wasn’t in a hurry to leave — he tried offering comfort but then just stood and took it, like he expected and needed to hear the anguish, to try to soak up some of her suffering if he could.

Later, as we rode back on Marine One to the White House, no one spoke.

But as the helicopter took off, the president looked at me and said, “That mama sure was mad at me.” Then he turned to look out the window of the helicopter. “And I don’t blame her a bit.”

One tear slipped out the side of his eye and down his face. He didn’t wipe it away, and we flew back to the White House.

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sauceruney  Oct 19, 2017 • 5:05:38pm

re: #60 jaunte

Following orders from his commander.

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John_Manyjars  Oct 19, 2017 • 9:12:54pm

re: #9 Targetpractice

I’ll never forgive W for Iraq. Never.

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John_Manyjars  Oct 19, 2017 • 9:14:52pm

re: #36 Kragar

I’ll never understand why the ‘master race’, all about ‘pride’, somehow won’t own up to what they are.

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John_Manyjars  Oct 19, 2017 • 9:20:56pm

re: #356 petesh

He didn’t get (kind of) rich by sharing a fucking thing…

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John_Manyjars  Oct 19, 2017 • 9:22:10pm

re: #418 goddamnedfrank

Religion IS the problem, IMHO


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