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jaunte  Oct 24, 2017 • 6:42:57pm

Bingbing

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jaunte  Oct 24, 2017 • 6:43:51pm
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austin_blue  Oct 24, 2017 • 6:44:08pm

He looks marginally human. She’s definitely an alien life form.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 24, 2017 • 6:44:37pm

Yes, I know Rebekah is his daughter, by the way.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 24, 2017 • 6:53:54pm

WELP

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retired cynic  Oct 24, 2017 • 6:56:05pm

re: #5 The Vicious Babushka

WELP

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Amazing. No ocean deep enough….

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 24, 2017 • 6:58:02pm

re: #5 The Vicious Babushka

WELP

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How did this fucker get citizenship?

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teleskiguy  Oct 24, 2017 • 7:08:34pm

MAKE AMERICA GRATE AGAIN!

I’ll show myself out now.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 24, 2017 • 7:10:00pm
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I Would Prefer Not To  Oct 24, 2017 • 7:15:38pm

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Stanley Sea  Oct 24, 2017 • 7:17:38pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

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retired cynic  Oct 24, 2017 • 7:25:32pm

re: #11 Stanley Sea

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austin_blue  Oct 24, 2017 • 7:26:14pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

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Here’s what I have noticed:

The shit comes off the fan so fast that what should have been scandalous (like the treatment of a war widow, family, and a friend who happens to be US Congresswoman) and been in the news cycle for a week, not even including the flat out lies told by the WH CoS, is, poof!, today, gone.

It’s uncanny. Drumpf and Kelly are suddenly off the hook because the outrageousness of today’s events have completely marginalized the putrid sack of shit from last week such that it is moot.

It may not be planned, and I certainly don’t think it is, but it works well enough in today’s news reporting environment that it *is* extremely effective. There are simply not enough reporters available to maintain awareness of last week’s/last month’s/last quarter’s crap to maintain focus on it AND keep up with the current crap.

Whether it is intentional on the part of the WH or not, it’s working.

We have the collective attention spans of gnats. Way too much and way too fast.

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TedStriker  Oct 24, 2017 • 7:26:59pm

re: #3 austin_blue

He looks marginally human. She’s definitely an alien life form.

She’s definitely a five-head.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 24, 2017 • 7:28:05pm

re: #13 austin_blue

Here’s what I have noticed:

The shit comes off the fan so fast that what should have been scandalous (like the treatment of a war widow, family, and a friend who happens to be US Congresswoman) and been in the news cycle for a week, not even including the flat out lies told by the WH CoS, is, poof!, today, gone.

It’s uncanny. Drumpf and Kelly are suddenly off the hook because the outrageousness of today’s events have completely marginalized the putrid sack of shit from last week is moot.

It may not be planned, and I certainly don’t think it is, but it works well enough in today’s news reporting environment that it *is* extremely effective. There are simply not enough reporters available to maintain awareness of last week’s/last month’s/last quarter’s crap to maintain focus on it AND keep up with the current crap.

Whether it is intentional on the part of the WH or not, it’s working.

We have the collective attention spans of gnats. Way too much and way too fast.

HELLO LAS VEGAS

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austin_blue  Oct 24, 2017 • 7:28:44pm

re: #15 Stanley Sea

HELLO LAS VEGAS

Yes. What shooting?

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CleverToad  Oct 24, 2017 • 7:29:15pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

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And the second question of the morning is always: “What will those GOP bastards* try to destroy today?”
* covers the actions of the Executive, Legislative and Judicial branches, and their deep-pocket puppet masters

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whitebeach  Oct 24, 2017 • 7:30:19pm

So today I pulled another old book off the shelf, “Dave Barry in Cyberspace,” which details his experiences with computers. Of course the tech is anachronistic as hell, but many of his points are surprisingly relevant.

Being the great Dave, of course, he often takes a path less trodden. For instance, he finds a Website (a fairly new concept at the time) inexplicably devoted to jokes bashing viola players (well, it came out of mit.edu, so you know …).

One of the jokes is probably decades older than the Web, but has current applications as well:

Q: What do you call a rightwinger (a Republican, a Trump, whatever, as you wish, originally it was a violist) with two brain cells?

A: Pregnant.

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teleskiguy  Oct 24, 2017 • 7:34:43pm
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retired cynic  Oct 24, 2017 • 7:36:24pm

re: #19 teleskiguy

That’s a step up.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 24, 2017 • 7:37:51pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

Yes, I know Rebekah is his daughter, by the way.

Maybe “Duo” would fit them better?

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Charles Johnson  Oct 24, 2017 • 7:39:48pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 24, 2017 • 7:40:58pm

re: #13 austin_blue

It’s totally intentional.

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Ace Rothstein  Oct 24, 2017 • 7:45:17pm

Astros lose game one, damn it.

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EPR-radar  Oct 24, 2017 • 7:46:29pm

re: #22 Charles Johnson

Trump is abnormal, but regrettably it is normal for elected Republican officials to be the worst sacks of shit that have ever failed to govern in a representative democracy.

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teleskiguy  Oct 24, 2017 • 7:46:47pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 24, 2017 • 7:47:49pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 24, 2017 • 7:48:34pm

re: #13 austin_blue

Here’s what I have noticed:

The shit comes off the fan so fast that what should have been scandalous (like the treatment of a war widow, family, and a friend who happens to be US Congresswoman) and been in the news cycle for a week, not even including the flat out lies told by the WH CoS, is, poof!, today, gone.

It’s uncanny. Drumpf and Kelly are suddenly off the hook because the outrageousness of today’s events have completely marginalized the putrid sack of shit from last week such that it is moot.

It may not be planned, and I certainly don’t think it is, but it works well enough in today’s news reporting environment that it *is* extremely effective. There are simply not enough reporters available to maintain awareness of last week’s/last month’s/last quarter’s crap to maintain focus on it AND keep up with the current crap.

Whether it is intentional on the part of the WH or not, it’s working.

We have the collective attention spans of gnats. Way too much and way too fast.

It’s not us. It’s a political Gish Gallop.

Mitt Romney tried it in his first debate with President Obama. After that debate, new rules were adopted to prevent Gish Gallops in presidential debates.

However, we now have a president employing the Gish Gallop as a strategy. This is by design. The idea is to keep you from focusing on one target by constantly changing the targets.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 24, 2017 • 7:49:03pm

745PM and it’s still 92 outside here in the Koreatown section of Los Angeles…

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Interesting Times  Oct 24, 2017 • 7:51:13pm

re: #28 Anymouse 🌹

However, we now have a president employing the Gish Gallop as a strategy. This is by design. The idea is to keep you from focusing on one target by constantly changing the targets.

Exactly. And notice how the media did the exact opposite with HRC and emails?

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whitebeach  Oct 24, 2017 • 7:54:51pm

re: #24 Ace Rothstein

Astros lose game one, damn it.

I was a Brooklyn Dodgers fan back in the day, probably the only white one in Louisiana (Jackie Robinson, ya know, and Junior Gilliam), so I will never pull for the L.A. Dodgers, not even if they were playing North Korea. But damn, they’ve got a hell of a team this year. Stros gonna need some luck and some killer pitching.

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dangerman  Oct 24, 2017 • 7:56:49pm

re: #13 austin_blue

We have the collective attention spans of gnats. Way too much and way too fast.

Speak for yourse….squirrel!!!

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 24, 2017 • 8:02:21pm

People who ruin the triggering of Heroic Public Events in Destiny 2 are the worst.

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BigPapa  Oct 24, 2017 • 8:03:24pm

re: #33 goddamnedfrank

People who ruin the triggering of Heroic Public Events in Destiny 2 are the worst.

I totally understand what you mean.

//

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fern01  Oct 24, 2017 • 8:08:37pm

re: #15 Stanley Sea

HELLO LAS VEGAS

And good luck to Puerto Rico

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jaunte  Oct 24, 2017 • 8:14:36pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 24, 2017 • 8:17:30pm

The Big G responds to Bill-0 the KKKlown!

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jaunte  Oct 24, 2017 • 8:20:23pm

re: #37 Joe Bacon 🌹

Bill O’Reilly. Net worth $85 million, recently minus $32 million. Unbelievably whiny. Not destined to hang out with God.

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jaunte  Oct 24, 2017 • 8:21:12pm

FIFTY MILLION ISN’T ENOUGH FOR ME GOD!!!!

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jaunte  Oct 24, 2017 • 8:21:52pm

What. A. Colossal. Wanker.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 24, 2017 • 8:23:24pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 24, 2017 • 8:24:25pm

re: #30 Interesting Times

Exactly. And notice how the media did the exact opposite with HRC and emails?

But that’s because she didn’t have a new scandal daily. And what scandals existed were basically promoted and manufactured by Putin, Republicans, the right-wing media, and the MSM, which always detested her. The press should be spending a good part every day focusing on the disaster in Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands. But there is too much and it’s overwhelming the media, which is why the GOP is once again diverting attention to Clinton.

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VegasGolfer  Oct 24, 2017 • 8:25:50pm

The Dodgers will not be stopped this year.

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jaunte  Oct 24, 2017 • 8:31:27pm

re: #41 Charles Johnson

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Stanley Sea  Oct 24, 2017 • 8:31:57pm

re: #40 jaunte

What. A. Colossal. Wanker.

The beauty is, his poor calls for help fell on deaf ears. He is toast.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 24, 2017 • 8:32:36pm

re: #43 VegasGolfer

The Dodgers will not be stopped this year.

Better not

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 24, 2017 • 8:35:50pm

re: #43 VegasGolfer

The Dodgers will not be stopped this year.

You’ll have Juanita Jean pounding on your door if the Dodgers defeat her beloved Astros.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 24, 2017 • 8:41:25pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 24, 2017 • 8:41:33pm

re: #36 jaunte

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But but Dems are beholden to WS. Trump said so.

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jaunte  Oct 24, 2017 • 8:46:55pm
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jaunte  Oct 24, 2017 • 8:48:09pm

McCain also voted to repeal CFPB arbitration rule.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 24, 2017 • 8:49:08pm
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That is the point. They are conservatives through and through

BUT the yam is a psycho, and they are calling it.

Purity, requiring it it any way………..not the democracy imagined.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 24, 2017 • 8:50:19pm

re: #38 jaunte

Bill O’Reilly. Net worth $85 million, recently minus $32 million. Unbelievably whiny. Not destined to hang out with God.

The O’Reilly Factor had 20 seasons, before that he had a long lucrative career at as a reporter, anchor and host of Inside Edition. Also he’s authored shitty books that sold well in wingnut circles. For him to only be worth $85 million when he was making $25 million a year in his final contract means he must have pissed away an absolutely amazing amount of money.

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jaunte  Oct 24, 2017 • 8:51:29pm

re: #53 goddamnedfrank

The $32 million settlement might be one of the few that made the news.

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teleskiguy  Oct 24, 2017 • 8:52:52pm

re: #54 jaunte

That’s what I’m thinking. Lots of multi-million dollar out-of-court settlements that haven’t been reported.

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jaunte  Oct 24, 2017 • 8:55:42pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 24, 2017 • 9:01:26pm

re: #53 goddamnedfrank

The O’Reilly Factor had 20 seasons, before that he had a long lucrative career at as a reporter, anchor and host of Inside Edition. Also he’s authored shitty books that sold well in wingnut circles. For him to only be worth $85 million when he was making $25 million a year in his final contract means he must have pissed away an absolutely amazing amount of money.

That’s a lot of sexual assaults.

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teleskiguy  Oct 24, 2017 • 9:03:25pm

Just watch BillO snarl in that famous Inside Edition meltdown he had. “WE’LL DO IT LIVE!” You can tell right away the guy is a mean asshole.

And now we know that he’s a serial rapist as well.

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The Major  Oct 24, 2017 • 9:03:43pm

re: #5 The Vicious Babushka

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 24, 2017 • 9:03:52pm

re: #54 jaunte

The $32 million settlement might be one of the few that made the news.

Even still it’s like he didn’t invest any of it, except maybe in hookers and blow. It’s borderline Nicolas Cage levels of financial irresponsibility.

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stpaulbear  Oct 24, 2017 • 9:06:48pm

re: #29 Joe Bacon 🌹

745PM and it’s still 92 outside here in the Koreatown section of Los Angeles…

The this morning’s Twin Cities forcast for friday called for an inch of snow. I could handle a couple of 90’s for a teaser. I’m not ready to go slidign on worn tirelfor fun or profet;

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jaunte  Oct 24, 2017 • 9:06:49pm

re: #60 goddamnedfrank

Money comes in, money goes out. You can’t explain that!

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The Major  Oct 24, 2017 • 9:08:32pm

re: #56 jaunte

Well, it just so happens that yours truly is filing a patent that will stop the carnage from not only data breaches but ATM card-skimmers dead in their tracks…

Remember Dick Gregory’s statement: “If you aren’t part of the solution, then you are part of the problem?” Well, guess what - the banks and credit card companies are just as much as fault as those eejets who deploy a version of Apache Struts with known vulnerabilities….

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The Major  Oct 24, 2017 • 9:10:00pm

re: #53 goddamnedfrank

You mean his fetish with assassination pr0n? Wonder what makes him think that felgercarb up…

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teleskiguy  Oct 24, 2017 • 9:11:46pm
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whitebeach  Oct 24, 2017 • 9:13:36pm

re: #63 The Major

Well, it just so happens that yours truly is filing a patent that will stop the carnage from not only data breaches but ATM card-skimmers dead in their tracks…

If this is so, more power to you. But let me suggest that besides a valid patent, you’re probably gonna need one hell of a lot of personal security.

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The Major  Oct 24, 2017 • 9:16:50pm
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jaunte  Oct 24, 2017 • 9:21:11pm
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teleskiguy  Oct 24, 2017 • 9:27:48pm

Interesting article. Twittering Lizards, take the quiz. I scored at 4, which is below the threshold for Twitter addiction.

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jaunte  Oct 24, 2017 • 9:31:11pm

re: #69 teleskiguy

“…It’s unlikely Trump will ever stop tweeting entirely. But if he takes his apparent addiction seriously, his tweets could shift in tone and frequency, becoming a kinder, gentler form of presence on social media.”

We need a survey on whether the writer or journalist is addicted to imagining how Trump could behave like a normal human.

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teleskiguy  Oct 24, 2017 • 9:33:24pm

Whoa.

I’ll bet Rightwingconspirator knows what this is.

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jaunte  Oct 24, 2017 • 9:34:49pm
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jaunte  Oct 24, 2017 • 9:36:10pm
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teleskiguy  Oct 24, 2017 • 9:41:17pm

Just figured out that I’m older than Sarah Huckabee Sanders by 13 weeks and she was born on Friday the 13th.

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austin_blue  Oct 24, 2017 • 10:24:24pm

re: #74 teleskiguy

Just figured out that I’m older than Sarah Huckabee Sanders by 13 weeks and she was born on Friday the 13th.

Maybe triskadecaphobia should be taken more seriously.

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BeachDem  Oct 24, 2017 • 10:24:29pm

Finally caught up on today’s yamfest.

Just want to say about Robert Guillaume and Sports Night—while he may not have been the title character, he was glue that held it all together and had some of the most iconic and memorable speeches on the show (I loved that guy.)

And, tying in with a moronic tweet that was cited in the last thread about there being no racism issues until Obama—here’s one of Isaac/Guillaume’s “editorials” from Sports Night, from 19 fucking 97 (apparently Aaron Sorkin was paying attention:

Six Southern Gentlemen of Tennessee

Exaudio, Comperio, Conloquor. That’s a Latin phrase that translates: To Listen, To Learn, To Speak. Those words are carved into the stone arches that form the entrance to the undergraduate library at Tennessee Western University. This afternoon, an extraordinary young man named Roland Shepard made what had to have been an excruciating decision. He said he wasn’t playing football under a Confederate flag. Six of his teammates then chose not to let Shepard stand alone. And I choose to join them at this moment. In the history of the South, there’s much to celebrate. And that flag is a desecration of all of it. It’s a banner of hatred and separatism. It’s a banner of ignorance and violence and a war that pitted brother against brother, and to ask young black men and women, young Jewish men and women, Asians, Native Americans, to ask Americans to walk beneath its shadow is a humiliation of irreducible proportions. And we all know it…

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austin_blue  Oct 24, 2017 • 10:43:12pm

Geez, what a day! A day when two R Senators, not running again for office, fucked Drumpf right up the patootie personally and then voted a straight Drumpf and hard line right position to kill consumer protections.

This is the problem. They cannot disconnect themselves from their horrible policies and a horrible disaster of a President.

Unless this changes, all of us older folks, anyone on a fixed income, the middle class and the poor, are going to get screwed, blued, and tattooed, and sacrificed to the holy concept of 1% tax cuts.

Let’s face it:

The money has to come from somewhere.

It’s going to come from us and the social safety net that protects us.

They don’t give a flying fuck about the majority of the citizens of this country. They only care about the people that fund their next election. The Resistance must be extended not just from this President but to the monied interests that are hell-bent on destroying the rest of us.

Depressing, isn’t it?

Night all. Sweet, scaly dreams, if you can manage it in this developing dystopia.

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teleskiguy  Oct 24, 2017 • 11:34:16pm
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Dr Lizardo  Oct 24, 2017 • 11:59:52pm

re: #76 BeachDem

That’s a shame to hear about Robert Guillaume. He was a very good actor, and Benson was one of the great sitcoms of the late ’70s - early ’80s, with an impressive 17 Emmy nominations and Guillaume winning an Emmy for Best Actor in a Comedy Series…..the first (and so far, only) African-American to win in that category.

RIP.

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Grunthos the Flatulent  Oct 25, 2017 • 12:04:58am

re: #80 Dr Lizardo

Also, the voice of Eli Vance. Go in peace, Robert.

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JordanRules  Oct 25, 2017 • 12:14:48am

re: #80 Dr Lizardo

Donald Glover won just this year, making him the 2nd.

He was outstanding in all his shows. RIP

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 25, 2017 • 12:58:56am

Just heard on Chris Hayes’ show that Trump didn’t implement the sanctions against Russia which he signed into law and that Congress has done nothing about that.

Putin’s Puppet, indeed.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 25, 2017 • 1:12:10am

re: #19 teleskiguy

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So not calling names is something that must be mentioned as a plus when members of the same party meet up with their President? The bar has been lowered and buried.

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Birth Control Works  Oct 25, 2017 • 1:14:25am

Hannity is ranting about money laundering schemes with Russia. Does anyone point out that Trump owns Hotels and Casinos all over the world? An obvious vehicle for money laundering?

No, Clintons are to blame.

Actually, it takes both parties to cover-up a world-wide money laundering scheme, but what do I know.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 25, 2017 • 1:15:38am

re: #85 Birth Control Works

BBC News - Republican committees investigate Clinton and Obama

Because Trump has done nothing that might warrant an investigation…

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Birth Control Works  Oct 25, 2017 • 1:15:44am
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Birth Control Works  Oct 25, 2017 • 1:23:03am
Senate Republicans voted on Tuesday to strike down a sweeping new rule that would have allowed millions of Americans to band together in class-action lawsuits against financial institutions.

The overturning of the rule, with Vice President Mike Pence breaking a 50-to-50 tie, will further loosen regulation of Wall Street as the Trump administration and Republicans move to roll back Obama-era policies enacted in the wake of the 2008 economic crisis. By defeating the rule, Republicans are dismantling a major effort of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, the watchdog created by Congress in the aftermath of the mortgage mess.

The rule, five years in the making, would have dealt a serious blow to financial firms, potentially exposing them to a flood of costly lawsuits over questionable business practices.

50-50?

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teleskiguy  Oct 25, 2017 • 2:15:33am
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LastYearsMan  Oct 25, 2017 • 2:29:33am

re: #13 austin_blue

And yet Hillary fake scandals last for years…

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wheat-dogg  Oct 25, 2017 • 2:37:11am

re: #85 Birth Control Works

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Hannity is ranting about money laundering schemes with Russia. Does anyone point out that Trump owns Hotels and Casinos all over the world? An obvious vehicle for money laundering?

AFAIK, Trump does not own any casinos, because he can’t get a gaming license anywhere. But he does lease his name to others to operate hotels and casinos. I think his Atlantic City casinos may have been at one time vehicles for money laundering, but they went belly up. If he’s done any laundering, it’s probably by selling properties to Russians at highly inflated prices.

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LastYearsMan  Oct 25, 2017 • 2:37:24am

Pah. Way too late with my insightful comment. The fun of being on the other side of the world as most of you…

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Oct 25, 2017 • 2:57:38am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 25, 2017 • 3:06:03am

re: #93 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Laws of Nature and Nature’s God as we interpret them. And our interpretation is the Only Valid One, just like the King James Bible is the Only Valid Translation…

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 25, 2017 • 4:09:54am

Damn I slept like crap last night. I had vivid dreams of my high school sweetheart and going away to college. I am not looking forward to thinking of her all day.

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 25, 2017 • 4:26:40am

Do you have $450,000 to drive a brick? Rolls-Royce is hoping you do.

Driving the New Rolls-Royce Phantom Is an Exercise in Serious Luxury
After more than a decade, the historic brand is relaunching its flagship sedan. The result is a $450,000 hunk of power and opulence.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 25, 2017 • 4:29:12am

He’s getting his daily intel briefing from Fox & Friends

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Ghost of the Mare Island Mud Puppy  Oct 25, 2017 • 4:31:29am

re: #97 The Vicious Babushka

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A Mom Anon  Oct 25, 2017 • 4:31:55am

re: #96 Shropshire Slasher

Nope. I’d rather have an older, well kept/restored Rolls or Bentley. Even if I had the money to just wipe my ass with, I’d never spend it like that. It seems dumb and wasteful.

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 25, 2017 • 4:32:07am

re: #97 The Vicious Babushka

But the Republicans started it!!

Fusion GPS’ work researching Trump began during the Republican presidential primaries when the GOP donor paid for the firm to investigate.

When the Republican donor stopped paying for the research, Elias, acting on behalf of the Clinton campaign and the DNC, agreed to pay for the work to continue.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 25, 2017 • 4:35:01am

re: #96 Shropshire Slasher

Do you have $450,000 to drive a brick? Rolls-Royce is hoping you do.

Driving the New Rolls-Royce Phantom Is an Exercise in Serious Luxury
After more than a decade, the historic brand is relaunching its flagship sedan. The result is a $450,000 hunk of power and opulence.

I read a report about the first Rolls-Royce sold at the dealership in Moscow in 1992: a young man came up and put down $225,000 in cash and drove it away. When asked how he came to be in possession of such a tidy sum, he replied, “That’s only 100 grams of emeralds!”

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Chrysicat  Oct 25, 2017 • 4:43:22am

Ugly thread.

And mainly just recapitulating what I heard on Morning Joe (I know, I know…)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 25, 2017 • 4:45:20am

re: #102 Chrysicat

The reason Flake’s giving that speech is that he’s convinced he ALREADY lacks the co-voters to back his words with deeds!

These assholes are still voting for Trump legislation and nominees. They are “coming to their senses” in that they are just the first ones to see Trump as someone who can seriously damage their party over the long run.

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Chrysicat  Oct 25, 2017 • 4:51:23am

re: #103 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Even if that’s true, it’s still brave.

If we can’t literally re-take at least one house for 2019, he could wind up imprisoned for saying what he has.

Because you know the even bigger assholes will outlaw opposition altogether now.

Compared to this, ‘16 was a drill and a bunch of paranoia that hasn’t ‘yet’ happened.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 25, 2017 • 5:12:30am

re: #104 Chrysicat

Even if that’s true, it’s still brave.

If we can’t literally re-take at least one house for 2019, he could wind up imprisoned for saying what he has.

Because you know the even bigger assholes will outlaw opposition altogether now.

Compared to this, ‘16 was a drill and a bunch of paranoia that hasn’t ‘yet’ happened.

between voter suppression, gerrymandering and apathy (the biggest vote suppressor of all) I will be happy to see the DNC hold their own. I am now too cynical to even entertain the though of them gaining any sort of Congressional majority.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 25, 2017 • 5:43:31am

re: #97 The Vicious Babushka

He’s getting his daily intel briefing from Fox & Friends

“Clinton campaign & DNC paid for research that led to the anti-Trump Fake News Dossier. The victim here is the President.@FoxNews
— Donald J. Trump

The victim of what?

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Sir John Barron  Oct 25, 2017 • 5:44:28am

re: #80 Dr Lizardo

That’s a shame to hear about Robert Guillaume. He was a very good actor, and Benson was one of the great sitcoms of the late ’70s - early ’80s, with an impressive 17 Emmy nominations and Guillaume winning an Emmy for Best Actor in a Comedy Series…..the first (and so far, only) African-American to win in that category.

RIP.

Yeah I liked Benson a lot.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Oct 25, 2017 • 5:57:26am

538 breaks down the Flake seat vacancy. Dems have a chance.

fivethirtyeight.com

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 25, 2017 • 6:03:32am

JFC on a barbed wire tightrope

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Unshaken Defiance  Oct 25, 2017 • 6:06:02am

re: #109 The Vicious Babushka

Federal scale DARVO

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 25, 2017 • 6:08:26am

so needy…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 25, 2017 • 6:12:37am
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Citizen K  Oct 25, 2017 • 6:16:42am

re: #13 austin_blue

Here’s what I have noticed:

The shit comes off the fan so fast that what should have been scandalous (like the treatment of a war widow, family, and a friend who happens to be US Congresswoman) and been in the news cycle for a week, not even including the flat out lies told by the WH CoS, is, poof!, today, gone.

It’s uncanny. Drumpf and Kelly are suddenly off the hook because the outrageousness of today’s events have completely marginalized the putrid sack of shit from last week such that it is moot.

It may not be planned, and I certainly don’t think it is, but it works well enough in today’s news reporting environment that it *is* extremely effective. There are simply not enough reporters available to maintain awareness of last week’s/last month’s/last quarter’s crap to maintain focus on it AND keep up with the current crap.

Whether it is intentional on the part of the WH or not, it’s working.

We have the collective attention spans of gnats. Way too much and way too fast.

I think this lets off the media way too lightly, for the exact reason that re: #90 LastYearsMan notes. They’re letting these stories fade out when they could do so much more, precisely because they’ve laser focused and put all their eggs into one narrative basket that they’ll be damned if they’ll move on from. Oliver Willis noted this a couple days ago:

There’s far too much complicity to this, especially, as pointed out, they’re immediately more willing to call people liars over the Steele Dossier/Uranium “scandal” and crow to high heaven about guilt when they continually hem and haw about ‘oh we can’t be THAT critical, he’s trying, lets look at both sides, etc’. bullshit every time the latest GOP malfeasance happens.

This is complicity.

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JordanRules  Oct 25, 2017 • 6:28:02am

re: #113 Citizen K

But her emails!

You couldn’t make up a more perfect illustration.

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jeffreyw  Oct 25, 2017 • 6:35:41am

Imgur


Good morning!

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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2017 • 6:50:10am

re: #111 Backwoods_Sleuth

so needy…

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He’s a child.

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 25, 2017 • 6:54:30am

re: #116 HappyWarrior

It takes a village…
:)

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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2017 • 6:54:49am

They’re eventually going to put Clinton, Obama, and other high ranking Dems on trial aren’t they? I have never seen a successive administration and Congress so eager to punish its predecessor and candidate it beat. I really am disturbed what’s happening to our country.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 25, 2017 • 6:56:40am

re: #118 HappyWarrior

They’re eventually going to put Clinton, Obama, and other high ranking Dems on trial aren’t they? I have never seen a successive administration and Congress so eager to punish its predecessor and candidate it beat. I really am disturbed what’s happening to our country.

They will if that is necessary to distract from Trump’s punishable offenses.

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fern01  Oct 25, 2017 • 7:00:13am

re: #111 Backwoods_Sleuth

so needy…

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Love fest and standing ovations at a party meeting? It would appear trump got his president training in NK

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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2017 • 7:01:09am

re: #119 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They will if that is necessary to distract from Trump’s punishable offenses.

Which is what authoritarians do.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2017 • 7:04:53am

re: #120 fern01

Love fest and standing ovations at a party meeting? It would appear trump got his president training in NK

Yep. If it quacks like a tyrant, it’s a duck that’s also a tyrant.

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 25, 2017 • 7:08:57am

Oldie but a goodie

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ozharas  Oct 25, 2017 • 7:10:36am

Who could predict that Ambassadors need to be careful with their language and perception?

stuff.co.nz

“US Ambassador Scott Brown has fronted over mounting “innuendo and rumour” about a State Department investigation into his behaviour.

Speaking to Stuff with wife Gail Huff at his side, Brown confirmed there had been an official “administrative inquiry” into his conduct at a Peace Corp event in Samoa in July.

It related to an official complaint about comments he made when arriving at the event, when he told some of the guests they looked “beautiful”. There had also been a complaint about a comment he made to a woman serving food and drink that she could make hundreds of dollars in the hospitality industry in the US, Brown said.”

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lawhawk  Oct 25, 2017 • 7:13:49am

Greets and saluts from the Resistance in the NYC metro area.

Should I be happy that Corker, McCain, and Flake are publicly stating what everyone knows privately? That Trump’s a fucking lunatic who shouldn’t be in office and opposed?

NO.

Here’s why:

1) These wankers are US Senators in a position of power to take affirmative steps to protect and defend the nation from threats foreign and domestic. If they truly feel that Trump is this kind of existential threat, being in the US Senate gives them the power to:
a) block nominations
b) block legislative actions
c) enact rules to thwart Trump actions
d) call upon Congress to impeach or implore Cabinet to act on 25th Amendment.

2) These wankers have not done any of the above. All of these Senators have had voting records that are in sync with Trump with one exception - the McCain vote on health care. In fact, they vote in sync with Trump far more than anyone should expect.

3) If they truly cared about blocking Trump from doing more damage, they’d fight Trump’s agenda in Congress. They’re abdicating their role, not showing leadership.

4) If other GOPers in Congress feel as strongly about this as this troika does, they should be speaking out too. Their silence is assent and complicity in Trump craven actions.

5) For all the talk about opposing Trump, the GOP is intent on gutting the safety net, pushing massive tax cuts for the rich, and sticking everyone else with the burdens. As I keep repeating (dept of redundancy dept), the GOP tax scheme is to give the rich definite tax breaks, while everyone else plays Russian roulette whether they see any help, or if they actually end up paying more in tax. In fact, once you factor in the proposed $1.5 trillion in Medicare/Medicaid cuts over next decade, the odds are everyone but the rich will be getting absolutely and totally fucked at the drive-through because the GOP simply doesn’t care what happens. They’ll claim that someone will see a few hundred dollars in tax cuts a year, but when Medicare/Medicaid is no longer an option, those health care costs have to go somewhere, and that usually means a medically induced bankruptcy that destroys what meager savings that person has left.

It’s for this reason I think GOP delenda est - this isn’t a party worth saving, and it’s one that will destroy the nation unless it is stopped in its tracks.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 25, 2017 • 7:13:58am

re: #123 Shropshire Slasher

Young Ben Shapiro?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 25, 2017 • 7:15:06am

Also, pretty sure if the Senators did give Trump a standing O it’s because they were afraid of what he’d do if they didn’t.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 25, 2017 • 7:17:49am

re: #127 Eclectic Cyborg

Also, pretty sure if the Senators did give Trump a standing O it’s because they were afraid of what he’d do if they didn’t.

And whether GOP senators gave him a standing O is completely irrelevant to anything and is the kind of thing that should be greeted with derisive laughter.

But I can imagine the NYT going with: Trump receives standing O from Senators, shows how popular he is in Congress, etc.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2017 • 7:18:00am

re: #127 Eclectic Cyborg

Also, pretty sure if the Senators did give Trump a standing O it’s because they were afraid of what he’d do if they didn’t.

Yep.

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Belafon  Oct 25, 2017 • 7:18:05am

If you can afford to be cynical a majority of the time, then you don’t really think any changes will affect you all that much. And you may be right, but that doesn’t help anyone else.

Cynical =/= Realistic.

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Belafon  Oct 25, 2017 • 7:18:40am

re: #127 Eclectic Cyborg

Also, pretty sure if the Senators did give Trump a standing O it’s because they were afraid of what he’d do if they didn’t.

I’m sure they clapped for at least 10.5 minutes.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 25, 2017 • 7:19:04am

re: #127 Eclectic Cyborg

Also, pretty sure if the Senators did give Trump a standing O it’s because they were afraid of what he’d do if they didn’t.

Stalin Clapping Test

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Sir John Barron  Oct 25, 2017 • 7:20:03am

re: #111 Backwoods_Sleuth

so needy…

So Drumpf has mentioned the “standing O’s” in two tweets already today. Good dog…

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Sir John Barron  Oct 25, 2017 • 7:22:29am

re: #56 jaunte

“Credit card companies have suffered a lot, they need to be able to make profits, and we should be encouraging personal responsibility and….”

/

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dangerman  Oct 25, 2017 • 7:23:12am

re: #133 Sir John Barron

So Drumpf has mentioned the “standing O’s” in two tweets already today. Good dog…

such presidential

I am in awe
it is awful

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William Lewis  Oct 25, 2017 • 7:23:49am

re: #123 Shropshire Slasher

Oldie but a goodie

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I am so glad I never went to Prom or whatever this weirdness is… WTF is it, anyway?

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 25, 2017 • 7:24:12am

YouTube Trumpkin and Former Milo Intern Kills His Own Dad for Calling Him a Nazi

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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2017 • 7:25:08am

re: #132 The Vicious Babushka

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Yep that’s who I was thinking of too.

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dangerman  Oct 25, 2017 • 7:25:16am

re: #134 Sir John Barron

“Credit card companies have suffered a lot, they need to be able to make profits, and we should be encouraging personal responsibility and….”

/

don’t companies have some personal responsibility

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 25, 2017 • 7:26:45am

re: #136 William Lewis

You didn’t notice the Children of The Corn extra?

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Sir John Barron  Oct 25, 2017 • 7:28:28am

re: #139 dangerman

don’t companies have some personal responsibility

Personal responsibility is just for deadbeat people not for companies who are not people except when giving money to political candidates then companies have speech rights like people.

/

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Sir John Barron  Oct 25, 2017 • 7:31:34am

re: #141 Sir John Barron

Personal responsibility is just for deadbeat people not for companies who are not people except when giving money to political candidates then companies have speech rights like people.

/

Also, too: Behold the economic populism!

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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2017 • 7:32:01am

re: #137 FormerDirtDart

YouTube Trumpkin and Former Milo Intern Kills His Own Dad for Calling Him a Nazi

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I’ve had my disappointments but killing or committing violence towards loved ones? Uh no. And honestly this whole subculture scares the bejesus outta me. As someone on the spectrum and close in age, I can see some similarities between them and myself. Ideologically, no. Just glad I’ve never fallen for that stuff. I’ve suffered from anxiety and depression but I’d never turn to the alt right for answers.

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 25, 2017 • 7:33:03am

George HW Bush apologizes after ‘sexual assault’ allegation

foxnews.com

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Romantic Heretic  Oct 25, 2017 • 7:36:45am

re: #139 dangerman

don’t companies have some personal responsibility

No. Companies are only half people. They get all of the rewards for being people but have no responsibilities or duties.

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Citizen K  Oct 25, 2017 • 7:36:52am

re: #143 HappyWarrior

I’ve had my disappointments but killing or committing violence towards loved ones? Uh no. And honestly this whole subculture scares the bejesus outta me. As someone on the spectrum and close in age, I can see some similarities between them and myself. Ideologically, no. Just glad I’ve never fallen for that stuff. I’ve suffered from anxiety and depression but I’d never turn to the alt right for answers.

As others have constantly pointed out, it’s cult behavior, right down to targeting the most disaffected and vulnerable and indoctrinating them in the sickest ways.

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Belafon  Oct 25, 2017 • 7:37:20am

re: #144 Shropshire Slasher

George HW Bush apologizes after ‘sexual assault’ allegation

foxnews.com

That made me laugh. I’m glad he’s acknowledging what he did wrong. What’s funny is that even in his 90s, he’s showing Trump what should be done.

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William Lewis  Oct 25, 2017 • 7:38:13am

re: #140 Shropshire Slasher

You didn’t notice the Children of The Corn extra?

Yeah, there’s a freak back there but despite others he doesn’t look much like Baby Whipsnade to me.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2017 • 7:41:16am

re: #146 Citizen K

As others have constantly pointed out, it’s cult behavior, right down to targeting the most disaffected and vulnerable and indoctrinating them in the sickest ways.

Absolutely.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 25, 2017 • 7:42:57am

Just coming over the wire that Fats Domino has passed away at 89.

RIP. A legend.

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retired cynic  Oct 25, 2017 • 7:43:22am

re: #79 teleskiguy

For a split second, I thought it was mounted on the car!

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 25, 2017 • 7:43:39am
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I cannot.  Oct 25, 2017 • 7:45:47am

Ratio’d so hard that *I* almost felt sorry for the guy.

Somewhat NSFW, but utterly hilarious

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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2017 • 7:48:48am

re: #150 Dr Lizardo

Just coming over the wire that Fats Domino has passed away at 89.

RIP. A legend.

Ain’t that a shame. RIP. A legend.

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Targetpractice  Oct 25, 2017 • 7:50:40am

The more I see about these House GOP “investigations” into the Obama-era, the more I damn Obama for coming into office with this idea that if he just convinced the nation to “move on” from the crimes of the Bush-era, then the GOP would be thankful for the reprieve.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2017 • 7:51:15am

re: #153 I cannot.

Ratio’d so hard that *I* almost felt sorry for the guy.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 25, 2017 • 7:57:10am

re: #155 Targetpractice

Right. My thinking was Obama should have come in hard and heavy, knocked them off their feet. Make bankers sweat with trials, and war crime committees, with total righteous indignation on our side. Then hammer them with health care reform. I guess he was hoping to avoid the appearance of a banana republic by letting it slide. Look what happened instead.

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weave  Oct 25, 2017 • 7:57:16am

Gotta love RWNJs who keep demanding respect for Trump but are too lazy to go back and scrub their posting history from a few years ago…. Oh, and they’ll also whine if you disparage Trump supporters. Don’t dare insult their intelligence because that is why they voted for Trump after all — just to spite everyone, and they’ll do it again by golly.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 25, 2017 • 7:58:27am

re: #158 weave

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Gotta love RWNJs who keep demanding respect for Trump but are too lazy to go back and scrub their posting history from a few years ago…. Oh, and they’ll also whine if you disparage Trump supporters. Don’t dare insult their intelligence because that is why they voted for Trump after all — just to spite everyone, and they’ll do it again by golly.

Irony has died a thousand deaths since January 20. Some people’s capacity for amnesia is really breathtaking.

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retired cynic  Oct 25, 2017 • 7:58:45am

re: #136 William Lewis

I am so glad I never went to Prom or whatever this weirdness is… WTF is it, anyway?

Prom or Homecoming, depending on the time of year. The dresses have changed just a wee bit since I attended, antediluvianly. (I don’t think that works as an adverb!) We were well covered, because that sort of dress didn’t exist for proms and our parents would have killed us anyway. Unfortunately, having just seen a bunch of girls so dressed, most girls are not built like runway models, and the whole thing is just embarrassing.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2017 • 8:00:28am

re: #153 I cannot.

Ratio’d so hard that *I* almost felt sorry for the guy.

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re: #158 weave

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Gotta love RWNJs who keep demanding respect for Trump but are too lazy to go back and scrub their posting history from a few years ago…. Oh, and they’ll also whine if you disparage Trump supporters. Don’t dare insult their intelligence because that is why they voted for Trump after all — just to spite everyone, and they’ll do it again by golly.

No self awareness at all.

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William Lewis  Oct 25, 2017 • 8:04:15am

re: #160 retired cynic

Prom or Homecoming, depending on the time of year. The dresses have changed just a wee bit since I attended, antediluvianly. (I don’t think that works as an adverb!) We were well covered, because that sort of dress didn’t exist for proms and our parents would have killed us anyway. Unfortunately, having just seen a bunch of girls so dressed, most girls are not built like runway models, and the whole thing is just embarrassing.

Yeah, the girls I dated in those early 80’s days wouldn’t have wanted or looked good in outfits like those. I tended to date the chubbier girls similar to my mother’s looks (isn’t psych fun?). Didn’t help that the one time I didn’t she was anorexic and I really didn’t need that level of drama in my life. Ironically? Humorously? She’s the only one of my high school girl friends I’m still in touch with < insert emoji of your choice here >

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makeitstop  Oct 25, 2017 • 8:04:40am

re: #150 Dr Lizardo

Just coming over the wire that Fats Domino has passed away at 89.

RIP. A legend.

I loved Fats. He was such a gentle man, in every sense of the word.

I remember that he went missing after Katrina and everyone thought we lost him then.

Another of rock and roll’s architects, gone. RIP.

I’m Walkin’ by Fats Domino 1957

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Citizen K  Oct 25, 2017 • 8:13:30am

re: #155 Targetpractice

The more I see about these House GOP “investigations” into the Obama-era, the more I damn Obama for coming into office with this idea that if he just convinced the nation to “move on” from the crimes of the Bush-era, then the GOP would be thankful for the reprieve.

Knowing what we know and seeing what we’ve seen, do you think he would have gotten even remotely close to getting any of that without being impeached first chance? I was critical of Obama’s soft hand as well during, but hindsight suggests the country simply would never have forgiven him if he tried, simply because he was black and a Democrat.

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JordanRules  Oct 25, 2017 • 8:13:41am

re: #155 Targetpractice

I think about how the GOP and their attendant cult would’ve gone ballistic because I see how they did in fact go ballistic by obstructing everything, disregarding Congressional norms, pushing a tea/alt-right party, empowering secession talk, ratcheting up death threats, and finally electing 45.

Im not convinced that him choosing not to follow the existing Dem course would’ve somehow changed the deep and disturbing ‘Trumpism as response to Obama’ dynamic that did not pop up overnight.

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Jay C  Oct 25, 2017 • 8:16:45am

re: #158 weave

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Gotta love RWNJs who keep demanding respect for Trump but are too lazy to go back and scrub their posting history from a few years ago…. Oh, and they’ll also whine if you disparage Trump supporters. Don’t dare insult their intelligence because that is why they voted for Trump after all — just to spite everyone, and they’ll do it again by golly.

Quite right: probably the same ones who posted pics of Obama with a bone through his nose and stuff like that, and then got all huffy about “free speech” and “free expression” and “liberal snowflakes” if anybody criticized them for it.

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Interesting Times  Oct 25, 2017 • 8:17:02am

re: #165 JordanRules

Im not convinced that him choosing not to follow the existing Dem course would’ve somehow changed the deep and disturbing ‘Trumpism as response to Obama’ dynamic that did not pop up overnight.

That makes sense…though a part of me can’t help but wonder that, since they were going to pitch a fit and whine and cry anyway, he should’ve given them something to cry about :/ It might also have appealed to the ridiculously discouraged Dem base so they bothered to show up for 2010 midterms…

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Sir John Barron  Oct 25, 2017 • 8:18:10am

re: #166 Jay C

Quite right: probably the same ones who posted pics of Obama with a bone through his nose and stuff like that, and then got all huffy about “free speech” and “free expression” and “liberal snowflakes” if anybody criticized them for it.

Now have a p*ssy grabbing POTUS who can barely speak English, has a 35% approval rating, and who lost the popular vote and the MAGAbots are demanding RESPECT!

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Belafon  Oct 25, 2017 • 8:19:55am

re: #167 Interesting Times

That makes sense…though a part of me can’t help but wonder that, since they were going to pitch a fit and whine and cry anyway, he should’ve given them something to cry about :/ It might also have appealed to the ridiculously discouraged Dem base so they bothered to show up for 2010 midterms…

No public option. There were three Democratic camps: Those who were happy with progress, those disappointed that we didn’t get universal health care, and those that didn’t care one way or another because most of it didn’t affect them. An investigation wouldn’t have gotten the last two to the polls.

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calochortus  Oct 25, 2017 • 8:21:08am

re: #168 Sir John Barron

Now have a p*ssy grabbing POTUS who can barely speak English, has a 35% approval rating, and who lost the popular vote and the MAGAbots are demanding RESPECT!

That’s why they have to demand respect. He doesn’t do anything to make one respect him.

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JordanRules  Oct 25, 2017 • 8:24:05am

re: #167 Interesting Times

I flirt with those feelings a lot too and I totally get it. When I come down off of that high (and I do really like that high) I’m reminded of what he was able to do because he chose to govern and take his job deadly seriously. It doesn’t help that what Dubya handed him was a complete cluster and averting multiple inherited disasters was a lot of work that saved a lot of America.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 25, 2017 • 8:29:09am
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Skip Intro  Oct 25, 2017 • 8:30:33am

Local TV and radio stations no longer required to have local studios

The Federal Communications Commission today eliminated a decades-old rule that required TV and radio stations to maintain studios in the local communities they serve.

The FCC’s Republican majority claims that the change will produce cost savings that broadcasters can use to improve “programming, equipment upgrades, newsgathering, and other services that benefit consumers.” But Democrats say the change will instead make it easier for stations to abandon the cities and towns they serve.

Mignon Clyburn, one of two Democrats to dissent in the 3-2 vote, argued:

By eliminating the main studio rule in its entirety for all broadcast stations—regardless of size or location—the FCC signals that it no longer believes those awarded a license to use the public airwaves should have a local presence in their community. Yes, the very same majority that talks about embracing policies to promote job creation is paving the way for broadcast station groups, large and small, to terminate studio staff and abandon the communities they are obligated to serve.

This should be called the Sinclair rule. Get ready for all your “local” tv content to be produced from a warehouse in the cheapest part of the cheapest state or country available.

Every fucking day, day in and day out.

arstechnica.com

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Sir John Barron  Oct 25, 2017 • 8:30:42am

re: #170 calochortus

That’s why they have to demand respect. He doesn’t do anything to make one respect him.

good point

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Belafon  Oct 25, 2017 • 8:30:48am

re: #172 Backwoods_Sleuth

His first SOTU, when Democrats don’t stand or clap, is going to drive him batty.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 25, 2017 • 8:31:47am
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Skip Intro  Oct 25, 2017 • 8:32:11am

re: #175 Belafon

His first SOTU, when Democrats don’t stand or clap, is going to drive him batty.

He’s already batty. Will he have them thrown out like he did with protestors on the campaign?

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 25, 2017 • 8:35:46am

re: #176 Backwoods_Sleuth

In a statement, Puerto Rico Gov. Ricardo Rosselló said the contract went to Whitefish because it didn’t need money up front, something the island’s struggling utility couldn’t provide.

“Of all those who met the requirements and aggressive schedules to bring brigades, one was asking for a substantial amount of money — which PREPA had no liquidity for — and another did not require it,” he said. “That other one is Whitefish.”

The governor is referring to mobilization, which pays the contractor to get on site. It is in all federal contracts. The contractor determines the cost of mobilization, unless the contract documents say they can’t.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2017 • 8:36:56am

re: #172 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Stalin.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 25, 2017 • 8:37:06am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2017 • 8:37:48am

re: #180 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That smug tall asshole from Kansas who was on Sixty Minutes the other night is busted.

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 25, 2017 • 8:41:30am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2017 • 8:45:52am

re: #182 Ace-o-aces

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FNC: George H.W. Bush, (D).

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JordanRules  Oct 25, 2017 • 8:46:47am
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Ace-o-aces  Oct 25, 2017 • 8:47:10am

re: #172 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 25, 2017 • 8:48:38am

re: #158 weave

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Gotta love RWNJs who keep demanding respect for Trump but are too lazy to go back and scrub their posting history from a few years ago…. Oh, and they’ll also whine if you disparage Trump supporters. Don’t dare insult their intelligence because that is why they voted for Trump after all — just to spite everyone, and they’ll do it again by golly.

“Don’t call me stupid for doing something stupid or I’ll keep doing something stupid!”

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Targetpractice  Oct 25, 2017 • 8:51:14am

re: #173 Skip Intro

Local TV and radio stations no longer required to have local studios

This should be called the Sinclair rule. Get ready for all your “local” tv content to be produced from a warehouse in the cheapest part of the cheapest state or country available.

Every fucking day, day in and day out.

arstechnica.com

Another decision where the folks getting screwed the hardest are Trump supporters. This is gonna mean canned “news” coming out of studios in places like NYC or DC with a few “local” stories sprinkled in. Republicans will be tickled pink because this means all those local and state-level reporters presently “snooping” will disappear, replaced by leashed little Sinclair lapdogs who will be more fascinated by what Hollwyood is doing than the city council becoming a slush fund for local businessmen.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 25, 2017 • 8:51:25am

re: #186 Ace-o-aces

“Don’t call me stupid for doing something stupid or I’ll keep doing something stupid!”

Heads I win, Tails you lose.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2017 • 8:52:42am

re: #185 Ace-o-aces

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He likes his liver with ketchup on it.

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 25, 2017 • 8:53:13am
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William Lewis  Oct 25, 2017 • 8:53:40am

re: #189 HappyWarrior

He likes his liver with ketchup on it.

Well done too.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2017 • 8:55:07am

re: #191 William Lewis

Well done too.

A journalist tested me once. I ate his liver with some ketchup and a nice Diet Coke.

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makeitstop  Oct 25, 2017 • 8:56:37am

re: #189 HappyWarrior

He likes his liver with ketchup on it.

With a nice chianti and fava beans…

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 25, 2017 • 8:59:05am

re: #192 HappyWarrior

A journalist tested me once. I ate his liver with some ketchup and a nice Diet Coke.

In response to the President’s admission of cannibalism, congress has launched several investigations into weather Hillary Clinton ate Seth Rich.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 25, 2017 • 9:05:06am

That new garbage FTC rule is why it’s so important to support true local media.

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JordanRules  Oct 25, 2017 • 9:05:59am

Good mini thread on CNN.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2017 • 9:07:47am

re: #196 JordanRules

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Good mini thread on CNN.

I don’t always agree with Weigel but he’s right here. CNN has nothing but Trump surrogates and apologists. Jack Kingston and his Southern drawl make me wanna barf when I hear him talk. And he’s right about AZ too. Arizona is a diverse state that Clinton actually did better than Obama in. In fact, I thought there was a chance she could win it.

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JordanRules  Oct 25, 2017 • 9:14:40am

Well, this doesn’t sound good at all.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2017 • 9:15:00am

Why is this Clinton-DNC so scandalous? You mean campaigns and their party national committees don’t coordinate on opposition research?!?!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 25, 2017 • 9:15:34am

Theory: More Republicans watch 24 hr news than Dems, thus CNN feels the only way they can maintain an audience is with a healthy dose of magical balance fairying.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2017 • 9:16:00am

re: #198 JordanRules

Well, this doesn’t sound good at all.

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I imagine he figures he’d be primaried or have his Speakership taken from him but yeah this is a big deal. Strauss was to his credit the reason why Texas doesn’t have a bathroom bill like Abbott wanted.

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 25, 2017 • 9:16:18am

re: #199 HappyWarrior

Trump Jr. can do it!

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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2017 • 9:17:11am

re: #202 Shropshire Slasher

Trump Jr. can do it!

Eww.

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retired cynic  Oct 25, 2017 • 9:17:15am

re: #201 HappyWarrior

I imagine he figures he’d be primaried or have his Speakership taken from him but yeah this is a big deal. Strauss was to his credit the reason why Texas doesn’t have a bathroom bill like Abbott wanted.

I hope threats of one sort or another are not involved.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2017 • 9:17:44am

re: #204 retired cynic

I hope threats of one sort or another are not involved.

I hope not too. I know he definitely had attacks on his religion from the RR.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 25, 2017 • 9:19:31am
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Dr Lizardo  Oct 25, 2017 • 9:20:50am

re: #200 Eclectic Cyborg

Theory: More Republicans watch 24 hr news than Dems, thus CNN feels the only way they can maintain an audience is with a healthy dose of magical balance fairying.

Republicans tend to skew older - and a lot of older people, retirees in particular, watch a LOT of 24-hour news.

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 25, 2017 • 9:21:19am

I feel bad for Jeff Flake. I know, who?

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MsJ  Oct 25, 2017 • 9:25:11am

re: #139 dangerman

don’t companies have some personal responsibility

Corporations are people, my friend…until there is personal responsibility involved, then they’re something else entirely. What that is, nobody knows.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 25, 2017 • 9:25:32am

re: #206 Backwoods_Sleuth

What a fucking idiot. Does he really think Librarians just sit at a desk and shush people all day?

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makeitstop  Oct 25, 2017 • 9:26:09am

Thread.

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Aussie Apocalypse  Oct 25, 2017 • 9:26:30am

re: #208 Shropshire Slasher

I feel bad for his brother Cod.

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MsJ  Oct 25, 2017 • 9:27:27am

re: #144 Shropshire Slasher

George HW Bush apologizes after ‘sexual assault’ allegation

foxnews.com

You have GOT to be kidding me. JFC.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2017 • 9:27:55am

re: #210 Eclectic Cyborg

What a fucking idiot. Does he really think Librarians just sit at a desk and shush people all day?

I can tell you this much. Research librarians have made my family tree research that much easier. They also helped me a ton on my history term paper on the pogroms that I wrote my senior year.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 25, 2017 • 9:27:58am

interesting tidbit from the linked article:

Outside of Montana, many are marveling that such connections could be traced to a small ski town of under 8,000 residents. But Whitefish — located just half an hour from Glacier National Park in the northwestern corner of Montana — is home to dozens of major political and business players, including Dave Lesar, who stepped down as CEO of Halliburton just last year, billionaire business magnate Bill Foley (whose business has donated $179,123 to Zinke’s campaign, and who lobbied for Zinke’s appointment as secretary of the interior), venture capitalist Michael Goguen (whose Whitefish home is the 11th largest in the country, and who exited his firm, Sequoia Capital, over a $40 million sexual assault case) and former Montana governor, RNC chairman, and lobbyist Marc Racicot.

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 25, 2017 • 9:29:33am

re: #213 MsJ

Lind wrote on Instagram Tuesday that Bush “sexually assaulted” her. She said he touched groped her “from behind from his wheelchair with his wife Barbara Bush by his side,” told her a “dirty joke,” and then touched groped her again.

Lind claimed that Barbara Bush “rolled her eyes” at Bush, “as if to say ‘not again.’”

Updated to reflect the the claim.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2017 • 9:29:36am

re: #211 makeitstop

Thread.

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Trumpvolk, I like that. And man those people are easily triggered. Say anything negative about the God Emperor and tehy flip their shit.

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lawhawk  Oct 25, 2017 • 9:32:04am

re: #215 Backwoods_Sleuth

The rationale of this company being involved is that they somehow the technical expertise to run power lines in mountainous terrain.

The reality is that they are… a 2 man operation that subcontracts out the actual work to others.

In other words, they repackage work done by others, tack on their profits, and make out like bandits.

If a job costs X, this group will simply build in their profit margin and subcontractors do the actual work.

Why not contract directly with the subcontractors, instead of dealing with a 2-person outfit. The only reason they were picked were the connections, not because they’re doing it cheaper or faster or better.

That’s the real question here.

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 25, 2017 • 9:34:31am

re: #218 lawhawk

The 20% add on is on top of the actual cost of manpower, equipment, materials, taxes, and insurance. Guaranteed money.

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JordanRules  Oct 25, 2017 • 9:34:56am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2017 • 9:35:28am

re: #220 JordanRules

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wrenchwench  Oct 25, 2017 • 9:36:27am

re: #215 Backwoods_Sleuth

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interesting tidbit from the linked article:

Gotta be a tough gig, covering the oligarchs. I’ve been near Whitefish. It’s pretty nice up there. Getting cold now, but they have ways of dealing…

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 25, 2017 • 9:36:30am

re: #221 HappyWarrior

Just like the Mueller investigation, you know they have to arrest someone for something.

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makeitstop  Oct 25, 2017 • 9:36:48am

re: #217 HappyWarrior

Trumpvolk, I like that. And man those people are easily triggered. Say anything negative about the God Emperor and tehy flip their shit.

They’re clearly desperate. Anyone without an interest in re-writing history knows that the whole thing was public knowledge over a year ago.

Must be getting close to Mueller Time.

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 25, 2017 • 9:38:05am
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retired cynic  Oct 25, 2017 • 9:38:25am

re: #211 makeitstop

Someone popped up on that thread, spouting nonsense, and the next response there used this image. I thought it might come in handy for those on twitter (which is not me).

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 25, 2017 • 9:38:44am

re: #220 JordanRules

Wow, what a fucked up family.

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makeitstop  Oct 25, 2017 • 9:38:52am

re: #220 JordanRules

Brother of Las Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock arrested in Los Angeles on suspicion of possessing child porn.

Is this the guy who was all over TV, amazed that his brother had all the guns?

Maybe should have kept his head down instead.

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Citizen K  Oct 25, 2017 • 9:38:53am

re: #196 JordanRules

This is where a lot of my frustration and despondency comes in. Dems are hardly perfect, but it’s clear even if they were, it wouldn’t matter a fucking whit because so much media is intent on running interference for everything GOP no matter what, and then reacting with shock and appall whenever a Dem does anything remotely wrong in some way. No matter what, it’s ‘both sides same thing’ with the same old corollaries of ‘Dems are always worse’ and ‘IOKIYAR’. And apparently trying to fix it in any way just makes them do it all the more because, you know, that darn liberal media bias….

re: #199 HappyWarrior

Why is this Clinton-DNC so scandalous? You mean campaigns and their party national committees don’t coordinate on opposition research?!?!

Look up. It’s because a Dem did something that can be remotely turned scandalous, thus it must be a scandal of epic and drastic proportions. Oh, and ‘lies’. You know, the same kind of thing that journalists are so loath to attribute to Republicans but can’t wait to throw around everywhere regarding Dems.

It’s the forever impenetrable double standard, and it’ll never get better it seems because the current crop have already cast in their lot.

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Belafon  Oct 25, 2017 • 9:39:05am

re: #222 wrenchwench

Gotta be a tough gig, covering the oligarchs. I’ve been near Whitefish. It’s pretty nice up there. Getting cold now, but they have ways of dealing…

Wadded up money would make a good insulator if you’ve got enough.

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Targetpractice  Oct 25, 2017 • 9:39:34am

re: #224 makeitstop

They’re clearly desperate. Anyone without an interest in re-writing history knows that the whole thing was public knowledge over a year ago.

Must be getting close to Mueller Time.

One response to the thread spelled it out: The Trumpers are working on a “fruit of the poisonous tree” defense for the Mueller report. They’re trying to claim that the dossier was the seed from which the entire investigation grew, so anything that Mueller finds is “tainted” by that connection to Clinton money and thus cannot be seen as anything other than a political hit-job.

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dangerman  Oct 25, 2017 • 9:39:39am

re: #200 Eclectic Cyborg

Theory: More Republicans watch 24 hr news than Dems, thus CNN feels the only way they can maintain an audience is with a healthy dose of magical balance fairying.

…as they slowly edge totally into fox-like territory

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lawhawk  Oct 25, 2017 • 9:41:02am

re: #219 Shropshire Slasher

From that article:

Arc has experience working with restoring power in areas affected by hurricanes and winter storms. But neither its workforce nor the one hired in Florida necessarily have the sort of mountainous experience that supposedly made Whitefish Energy a good fit for the contract. “This is no job for amateurs,” said a Montana native and utility expert who requested anonymity due to his continued affiliation with the industry. “Hiring people in Florida might make sense if they had any idea how to do mountainous terrain, but otherwise it makes no sense. They likely have no experience in high-tension overland wiring, where you have a mile between utility lines.”

Put differently, hiring Whitefish Energy would make sense if the company was actually bringing down large crews with experience doing utility repair in Montana — something a company like Montana Dakota Utilities, or Northwest Energy, would be capable of providing. But apart from Techmanski, it’s unclear that the crews on the ground actually possess such expertise. (Whitefish Energy could not confirm the geographic source or proportion of its employees from Montana.)

The question remains whether a “disrupter” like Whitefish Energy can handle such a massive job under such tremendous pressure — and what will happen if it fails. “I was originally so excited to see a Montana company taking this on,” the electrical expert said. “But now it’s just fear — that they’re gonna end up holding the bag, and that failure, it’s all going to be on them.”

Nothing about what this company does or has experience in doing seems to be a good fit for having gotten the contract. None of the personnel subcontracted for have the kind of experience.

NYPA and others who came down (NYPA came down at behest of NY Gov Cuomo) have experience running lines and rebuilding after storms, but not necessarily the specific need to rebuild lines across impassible mountains. Nothing that Whitefish is doing adds that capabilities. It reeks of a scam.

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dangerman  Oct 25, 2017 • 9:41:28am

re: #210 Eclectic Cyborg

What a fucking idiot. Does he really think Librarians just sit at a desk and shush people all day?

uh….yes?

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makeitstop  Oct 25, 2017 • 9:41:37am

re: #231 Targetpractice

One response to the thread spelled it out: The Trumpers are working on a “fruit of the poisonous tree” defense for the Mueller report. They’re trying to claim that the dossier was the seed from which the entire investigation grew, so anything that Mueller finds is “tainted” by that connection to Clinton money and thus cannot be seen as anything other than a political hit-job.

Ignoring, of course, the multiple intel sources that had parts of the dossier before there was even a dossier.

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MsJ  Oct 25, 2017 • 9:41:46am

re: #155 Targetpractice

The more I see about these House GOP “investigations” into the Obama-era, the more I damn Obama for coming into office with this idea that if he just convinced the nation to “move on” from the crimes of the Bush-era, then the GOP would be thankful for the reprieve.

I personally think that was Pelosi, not Obama.

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wrenchwench  Oct 25, 2017 • 9:42:10am

re: #230 Belafon

Wadded up money would make a good insulator if you’ve got enough.

And a fireplace big enough to sit in and burn them, should it come to that.

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 25, 2017 • 9:42:22am

re: #233 lawhawk

“Lowest responsible bidder”

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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2017 • 9:43:47am

re: #236 MsJ

I personally think that was Pelosi, not Obama.

I can’t really begrudge Obama too much for that even if it was him. We think the hate machine directed his way was bad as was? I imagine it would have been even worse if that had happened. I do think Obama had some naivete but you know what, I don’t blame him because I had the same. I don’t think Obama knew that on the day he became President that McCarthy, Ryan, and Cantor were meeting planning to sabotage him. I think Obama unlike Trump knew he had to be President for all Americans.

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whitebeach  Oct 25, 2017 • 9:44:53am

re: #218 lawhawk

It’s the same scam as after Katrina. Contractors mainly from Florida (think Jeb Bush and pals) and Texas (you know who and his cronies) got the rebuilding contracts, brought in subcontractors who used undocumented workers and paid them shit, no locals needed, and everybody overbilled like hell (something simple like putting a blue tarp over a roof, which should have cost maybe $2 per sq ft being billed at $20 or 30 or 40 per, all paid from our taxes, no real questions asked). If the swamp keeps getting drained like this, it’s gonna be bigger than the Atchafalaya.

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Targetpractice  Oct 25, 2017 • 9:44:59am

re: #235 makeitstop

Ignoring, of course, the multiple intel sources that had parts of the dossier before there was even a dossier.

Of course. They don’t need a convincing defense, just the wisps of one to beat it into any potential defectors that their party’s base will skin them alive if they address Mueller’s conclusions as anything but a grand “conspiracy” against Trump.

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dangerman  Oct 25, 2017 • 9:45:53am

re: #218 lawhawk

The rationale of this company being involved is that they somehow the technical expertise to run power lines in mountainous terrain.

The reality is that they are… a 2 man operation that subcontracts out the actual work to others.

In other words, they repackage work done by others, tack on their profits, and make out like bandits.

If a job costs X, this group will simply build in their profit margin and subcontractors do the actual work.

Why not contract directly with the subcontractors, instead of dealing with a 2-person outfit. The only reason they were picked were the connections, not because they’re doing it cheaper or faster or better.

That’s the real question here.

and as i said yesterday, “unless” they are subbing out to other companies already equipped with trucks, staff, tools, etc, (which will have to be packed and shipped to PR) and not just “linemen” being sent over there, then the whole subcontract scheme is just a payroll tax and benefits dodge

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makeitstop  Oct 25, 2017 • 9:49:26am

Is ‘Haberman’ German for ‘disingenuous hack?’

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 25, 2017 • 9:49:42am

re: #242 dangerman

and as i said yesterday, “unless” they are subbing out to other companies already equipped with trucks, staff, tools, etc, (which will have to be packed and shipped to PR) and not just “linemen” being sent over there, then the whole subcontract scheme is just a payroll tax and benefits dodge

THIS.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2017 • 9:49:58am

re: #243 makeitstop

Is ‘Haberman’ German for ‘disingenuous hack?’

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Appears that way.

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wrenchwench  Oct 25, 2017 • 9:50:26am

re: #240 whitebeach

It’s the same scam as after Katrina. Contractors mainly from Florida (think Jeb Bush and pals) and Texas (you know who and his cronies) got the rebuilding contracts, brought in subcontractors who used undocumented workers and paid them shit, no locals needed, and everybody overbilled like hell (something simple like putting a blue tarp over a roof, which should have cost maybe $2 per sq ft being billed at $20 or 30 or 40 per, all paid from our taxes, no real questions asked). If the swamp keeps getting drained like this, it’s gonna be bigger than the Atchafalaya.

We’re still calling those blue tarps ‘FEMA tarps’. Put it on a mobile home and put two tires on it and you have the New Mexico flag.

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dangerman  Oct 25, 2017 • 9:54:44am

re: #239 HappyWarrior

I….. think Obama unlike Trump knew he had to be President for all Americans.

Obama spent 8 years being president for all americans

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 25, 2017 • 9:55:30am

This is a very interesting talk by Prof. Erik Hammerstrom. It was delivered by to the Buddhist Churches of America and he touches on America’s changing demographics and in the beginning of the talk, he has some fascinating - and disturbing - stats on Millennials.

20170504 “Millennials and the Future of Our Temples” by Prof. Erik Hammerstrom

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Targetpractice  Oct 25, 2017 • 9:56:07am

re: #243 makeitstop

Is ‘Haberman’ German for ‘disingenuous hack?’

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No, it’s German for “nepotism.” As in Maggie would be working for a fish wrap somewhere if it weren’t for daddy.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2017 • 9:58:31am

re: #247 dangerman

Obama spent 8 years being president for all americans

Yep.

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nowherenorth2  Oct 25, 2017 • 9:58:33am

That library comment is ridiculously upsetting to me and proves that RWNJ qnd their kind know nothing. My job encourages library use not just for books but for community events, applications, the internet, public meetings, etc.
Our library much like mental health professionals and services are always threatened by state and local government. It boggles my mind.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2017 • 9:58:45am

re: #249 Targetpractice

No, it’s German for “nepotism.” As in Maggie would be working for a fish wrap somewhere if it weren’t for daddy.

Who’s her Daddy?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2017 • 9:59:32am

re: #251 nowherenorth2

That library comment is ridiculously upsetting to me and proves that RWNJ qnd their kind know nothing. My job encourages library use not just for books but for community events, applications, the internet, public meetings, etc.
Our library much like mental health professionals and services are always threatened by state and local government. It boggles my mind.

A lot of local libraries also do reading events for the little kids. We took my niece to a few and I also remember attending a neat discussion at a local library on the War of 1812.

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makeitstop  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:00:14am

re: #245 HappyWarrior

Appears that way.

She’s taking a well-deserved beating on that thread.

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makeitstop  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:01:53am

re: #249 Targetpractice

No, it’s German for “nepotism.” As in Maggie would be working for a fish wrap somewhere if it weren’t for daddy.

I saw a tweet that claimed that Haberman’s mom is friends with the Kushner family, something to do with a PR firm.

Then I noticed it was tweeted by Louise Mensch, under her maiden name. Hard pass.

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Targetpractice  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:03:20am

re: #252 HappyWarrior

Who’s her Daddy?

Clyde Haberman, long-time columnist for the New York Times. She used to be a writer for the New York Post (i.e. a tabloid reporter), which is how she had an in with the Trumps when he started his run. Hence why she’s now the NYT “White House correspondent,” because she has “access” that the Times values above journalistic ability.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:05:42am

re: #228 makeitstop

Is this the guy who was all over TV, amazed that his brother had all the guns?

Maybe should have kept his head down instead.

No, this is another brother who resides in an assisted living facility in CA.

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KGxvi  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:07:48am

White people need to have a come to Jesus moment. Because this, this is just… ugh, I don’t have the words:

Fifty-five percent of whites agreed that “discrimination against white people exists in the U.S. today,” according to the poll, released Tuesday by NPR, the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation and the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health.

Of course, when asked if they’ve personally experienced discrimination, the numbers drop…

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Stanley Sea  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:09:38am
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Interesting Times  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:11:54am

re: #259 Stanley Sea

But it helps Obamacare continue to exist, which virtually guarantees a Cheeto Benito veto e_e

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KGxvi  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:12:27am

re: #240 whitebeach

It’s the same scam as after Katrina. Contractors mainly from Florida (think Jeb Bush and pals) and Texas (you know who and his cronies) got the rebuilding contracts, brought in subcontractors who used undocumented workers and paid them shit, no locals needed, and everybody overbilled like hell (something simple like putting a blue tarp over a roof, which should have cost maybe $2 per sq ft being billed at $20 or 30 or 40 per, all paid from our taxes, no real questions asked). If the swamp keeps getting drained like this, it’s gonna be bigger than the Atchafalaya.

There’s a reason why criminal enterprises use construction as a front for money laundering. Not as good as a nail salon or a laundromat, but probably as solid as a bar or restaurant

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MsJ  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:12:45am

re: #228 makeitstop

Is this the guy who was all over TV, amazed that his brother had all the guns?

Maybe should have kept his head down instead.

I don’t think it would have mattered. His family would have been investigated to hell and back because of what the shooter did. It is likely they got this via computer or email or whatever access from brother to brother just because they were looking to see if anyone helped the shooter.

This guy was fucked from the start.

Which I am Ok with.

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dangerman  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:14:14am

re: #251 nowherenorth2

That library comment is ridiculously upsetting to me and proves that RWNJ qnd their kind know nothing. My job encourages library use not just for books but for community events, applications, the internet, public meetings, etc.
Our library much like mental health professionals and services are always threatened by state and local government. It boggles my mind.

…cause they don’t use em they don’t see any need

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Citizen K  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:14:16am

re: #258 KGxvi

White people need to have a come to Jesus moment. Because this, this is just… ugh, I don’t have the words:

Of course, when asked if they’ve personally experienced discrimination, the numbers drop…

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Because of course. Because why should we expect anything different from a country that elected Trump, the high-king of racial grievance-mongering?

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ObserverArt  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:14:34am

re: #260 Interesting Times

But it helps Obamacare continue to exist, which virtually guarantees a Cheeto Benito veto e_e

No…Donny said Obamacare is over, done with, gone, dead.

So it must be true, right? We can all believe in anything Donny says right?

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lawhawk  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:15:24am

re: #249 Targetpractice

On cue…

Calling out hypocrisy and media failing and media types circle the wagons.

It’s entirely predictable.

Maggie has history of refusing to call Trump lies lies, using all manner of euphemism.

But when Clinton’s involved, she has no problem to call something a lie even if that statement is unsupported by the evidence at the time made.

Maggie’s a hack who has access to Trump in some fashion, so she gets juicy scoops, which isn’t so much reporting as hagiography or stenography. Others are using her to settle scores.

That’s not journalism or reporting.

Journalism would be identifying that the Steele dossier was initially created by the GOP as oppo research, and Democrats ultimately picked up that as part of their own oppo research. Further, oppo research doesn’t mean it’s not any less truthful.

More to the point, the dossier isn’t even the totality of circumstances that shows Trump and his cronies thoroughly compromised and colluding with Russia. There’s so much more than the dossier - from emails, meetings, undisclosed meetings, lies and perjury, security clearance forms that were incomplete, lies, obstruction of justice, Emoluments, conflicts of interest, nepotism, etc.

Mueller doesn’t need the dossier to do his job. That’s what bank records, subpoenas, testimony, and other actual evidence gathering is for. The dossier is best known for the urination claims, but that isn’t an impeachable offense.

This is just flak being spun up by the right wing agitprop outlets to deflect attention from what the GOP and Trump are doing.

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makeitstop  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:15:28am

re: #262 MsJ

This guy was fucked from the start.

Which I am Ok with.

Yeah, me too.

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dangerman  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:16:29am

re: #258 KGxvi

White people need to have a come to Jesus moment. Because this, this is just… ugh, I don’t have the words:

Of course, when asked if they’ve personally experienced discrimination, the numbers drop…

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Not getting in or promoted or a raise is not discrimination per se

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Belafon  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:16:33am

re: #259 Stanley Sea

And yet, somehow, you couldn’t convince most of the Republicans that this would be a good thing.

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Citizen K  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:17:19am

re: #266 lawhawk

On cue…

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Calling out hypocrisy and media failing and media types circle the wagons.

It’s entirely predictable.

Maggie has history of refusing to call Trump lies lies, using all manner of euphemism.

But when Clinton’s involved, she has no problem to call something a lie even if that statement is unsupported by the evidence at the time made.

Maggie’s a hack who has access to Trump in some fashion, so she gets juicy scoops, which isn’t so much reporting as hagiography or stenography. Others are using her to settle scores.

That’s not journalism or reporting.

Journalism would be identifying that the Steele dossier was initially created by the GOP as oppo research, and Democrats ultimately picked up that as part of their own oppo research. Further, oppo research doesn’t mean it’s not any less truthful.

More to the point, the dossier isn’t even the totality of circumstances that shows Trump and his cronies thoroughly compromised and colluding with Russia. There’s so much more than the dossier - from emails, meetings, undisclosed meetings, lies and perjury, security clearance forms that were incomplete, lies, obstruction of justice, Emoluments, conflicts of interest, nepotism, etc.

Mueller doesn’t need the dossier to do his job. That’s what bank records, subpoenas, testimony, and other actual evidence gathering is for. The dossier is best known for the urination claims, but that isn’t an impeachable offense.

This is just flak being spun up by the right wing agitprop outlets to deflect attention from what the GOP and Trump are doing.

It’s just…exhausting. And it only seems to get worse, and even worse, and trying to fix it only makes it even more worse because contrarianism and spite rule. And if you’re a Dem, you literally can do no right in this country because you are now and forever the enemy and the most wrong thing in the existence of the country.

How the fuck do you fight it when the almighty narrative always ensures you’re in the wrong forever and anon?

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MsJ  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:18:41am

re: #259 Stanley Sea

BREAKING: CBO: Alexander-Murray will lower premiums, provide rebates to consumers in 2018, and lower the deficit.

Which means that almost all republicans will vote against it.

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Targetpractice  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:18:48am

re: #258 KGxvi

White people need to have a come to Jesus moment. Because this, this is just… ugh, I don’t have the words:

Of course, when asked if they’ve personally experienced discrimination, the numbers drop…

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That’s because there’s always “a friend of a friend” or “this guy I know” who has a bitter story about how he was applying for a job that “some ni-CLANG” got despite the recruiter/manager/etc assuring them they had all the right qualifications and references. Or every doctor he meets has brown skin and “a funny accent,” which is totally different from “the good ol’ days” when you went to the local hospital and got a white doctor who sounded just like him. Or he sees bilingual documents and thinks that government is working to make things “easy” for “illegals” while he butchers the English language on a daily basis.

tl;dr, white folks are waking up to the reality that the white face of America is slowly tanning and they’re scared shitless because they know how they’ve treated minorities all their lives and worry it’s now going to happen to them.

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lawhawk  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:20:38am

re: #258 KGxvi

Actual discrimination is probably even lower than the 20% reported.

Meanwhile, if you ask a minority if they’ve been discriminated against, the odds are that nearly all will claim that they’ve been a victim. And we can list how:
1) police stops
2) lost job opportunities
3) lost education opportunities
4) inability to get loans
5) wage stagnation
etc..

We know that police discriminate based on race.
We know banks and lenders discriminate against minorities.
We know landlords discriminate against minorities.
We know that colleges and universities have to do more.

What we see is that even in higher education, when minorities are given preferences, whites claim they’re being discriminated against even though legacy entrance gives them a preference that blacks don’t have (and is often a bigger segment of the new students).

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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:24:04am

re: #258 KGxvi

White people need to have a come to Jesus moment. Because this, this is just… ugh, I don’t have the words:

Of course, when asked if they’ve personally experienced discrimination, the numbers drop…

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I’ve never felt discriminated or even looked down for being white. But I think this poll in a nutshell explains Trumpism. It’s the perception of being a victim. Meanwhile as LH gets at, minorities can actually point to real cases of discrimination they’ve experienced. Whereas most whites have this perception they’ve been discriminated against.

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JordanRules  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:24:20am

re: #266 lawhawk

The dossier also gave good journalists a lot of openings for some hard, necessary investigative efforts. How outlets and reporters maneuver around the dossier stories now may be even more instructive than how they addressed or ignored it initially.

Maggie continues to provide no public service as she co-writes her book with Glenn.

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lawhawk  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:24:35am
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Citizen K  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:25:42am

re: #274 HappyWarrior

I’ve never felt discriminated or even looked down for being white. But I think this poll in a nutshell explains Trumpism. It’s the perception of being a victim. Meanwhile as LH gets at, minorities can actually point to real cases of discrimination they’ve experienced. Whereas most whites have this perception they’ve been discriminated against.

And those PoC will always get a gaggle of folks telling them how their discrimination isn’t really ‘discrimination’ and they’re just playing the race card like good little reverse racists.

Meanwhile, white, straight, Christian Males are clearly the most discriminated and persecuted population in the history of the world.

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MsJ  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:25:46am
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Belafon  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:26:18am

re: #276 lawhawk

So did Ted Kaczynski (Harvard).

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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:26:29am

re: #273 lawhawk

Actual discrimination is probably even lower than the 20% reported.

Meanwhile, if you ask a minority if they’ve been discriminated against, the odds are that nearly all will claim that they’ve been a victim. And we can list how:
1) police stops
2) lost job opportunities
3) lost education opportunities
4) inability to get loans
5) wage stagnation
etc..

We know that police discriminate based on race.
We know banks and lenders discriminate against minorities.
We know landlords discriminate against minorities.
We know that colleges and universities have to do more.

What we see is that even in higher education, when minorities are given preferences, whites claim they’re being discriminated against even though legacy entrance gives them a preference that blacks don’t have (and is often a bigger segment of the new students).

Exactly. And let me add, this is something that transcends class too. And this is what Bernie Sanders still doesn’t get.

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wrenchwench  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:27:27am

re: #276 lawhawk

[Trump: “The press makes me more uncivil than I am. I went to an Ivy League college.”]

He thinks that because he went to a class, he has some class.

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sagehen  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:27:31am

re: #222 wrenchwench

Gotta be a tough gig, covering the oligarchs. I’ve been near Whitefish. It’s pretty nice up there. Getting cold now, but they have ways of dealing…

Why is nobody mentioning that Whitefish is the hometown of Robert Spencer, current residence of his mother, where he tried to have a Nazi rally last summer? (that led to him whining about why are people giving his mother a hard time about him)

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Sea Mexican!  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:27:46am

re: #215 Backwoods_Sleuth

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interesting tidbit from the linked article:

*headdesk*
*headdesk*
*headdesk*

[snip]the governor of Puerto Rico, who just called for an audit of the Puerto Rico Electric Power Authority’s energy contracts.[/snip]

FFS, his administration stacked the electrical authority board!

I feel ashamed this empty headed buffoon is our governor.

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lawhawk  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:27:47am

re: #279 Belafon

So did Ted Kaczynski (Harvard).

Correctamundo.

There’s a list of other Ivy Leaguers who were serial killers or murderers. College doesn’t make you civilized.

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Belafon  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:28:05am

If I were to become president, one of the things I would do is a serious purge of ICE: dailykos.com. These people really don’t have the excuse of “I was just following orders.”

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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:28:26am

re: #277 Citizen K

And those PoC will always get a gaggle of folks telling them how their discrimination isn’t really ‘discrimination’ and they’re just playing the race card like good little reverse racists.

Meanwhile, white, straight, Christian Males are clearly the most discriminated and persecuted population in the history of the world.

It’s so messed up isn’t it? “Happy Holidays” is somehow discrimination. Same sex marriage is too but not getting racially profiled or having your job application not taken seriously because of having an “ethnic” name.

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KGxvi  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:28:27am

re: #264 Citizen K

Because of course. Because why should we expect anything different from a country that elected Trump, the high-king of racial grievance-mongering?

I’m honestly not that shocked that the belief exists. Humans are biased for anecdotal evidence rather than big picture statistical evidence. So when you see the local news lead with a story about a murder or a bank robbery, you think crime is going up even though the bigger picture is it’s going down.

John Q Whiteboy hears about his cousin’s niece’s roommate Janet getting passed over for a job and instead it goes to a [insert racial minority here], obviously it was discrimination. That’s the story that sticks with him, not all the statistical economic evidence that show that white people are doing better than minorities.

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KGxvi  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:29:19am

re: #272 Targetpractice

You beat me to it, damn work and life getting in the way.

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sagehen  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:31:03am

re: #239 HappyWarrior

I can’t really begrudge Obama too much for that even if it was him. We think the hate machine directed his way was bad as was? I imagine it would have been even worse if that had happened. I do think Obama had some naivete but you know what, I don’t blame him because I had the same. I don’t think Obama knew that on the day he became President that McCarthy, Ryan, and Cantor were meeting planning to sabotage him. I think Obama unlike Trump knew he had to be President for all Americans.

He did know; a number of Republican senators told Joe Biden (the week before inauguration) that McConnell had given them orders for Full Party Discipline, total obstruction, that none of them would be any help whatsoever on any nomination or bill of any kind.

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wrenchwench  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:31:13am

re: #282 sagehen

Why is nobody mentioning that Whitefish is the hometown of Robert Spencer, current residence of his mother, where he tried to have a Nazi rally last summer? (that led to him whining about why are people giving his mother a hard time about him)

Something has to be fishy, there. It’s in the name. And not necessarily the second part.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:33:04am

re: #289 sagehen

He did know; a number of Republican senators told Joe Biden (the week before inauguration) that McConnell had given them orders for Full Party Discipline, total obstruction, that none of them would be any help whatsoever on any nomination or bill of any kind.

Oh okay then.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:33:42am

re: #290 wrenchwench

Something has to be fishy, there. It’s in the name. And not necessarily the second part.

I hear it stinks there. //
Sorry, sorry. I’m approaching Dad age and it’s leading me to make Dad jokes.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:35:23am

re: #287 KGxvi

I’m honestly not that shocked that the belief exists. Humans are biased for anecdotal evidence rather than big picture statistical evidence. So when you see the local news lead with a story about a murder or a bank robbery, you think crime is going up even though the bigger picture is it’s going down.

John Q Whiteboy hears about his cousin’s niece’s roommate Janet getting passed over for a job and instead it goes to a [insert racial minority here], obviously it was discrimination. That’s the story that sticks with him, not all the statistical economic evidence that show that white people are doing better than minorities.

Right and it’s the same thing with Chicago. Wingers probably think Chicago is the murder capital of the U.S. because they’re told day in and day out that Chicago is awful, awful. And make no mistake Chicago does have crime problems but there are many other cities with higher homicide rates that are NOT used to push bullshit. But none of those cities is the hometown of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton so.

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KGxvi  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:36:25am

re: #286 HappyWarrior

It’s so messed up isn’t it? “Happy Holidays” is somehow discrimination. Same sex marriage is too but not getting racially profiled or having your job application not taken seriously because of having an “ethnic” name.

I can’t quite remember the details now because it’s been a very long time since I read the book, but I believe it was in Karen Armstrong’s History of God, where she made the argument that monotheism can create dangerous divisions. If you have the one true god, then everyone else is an infidel and any invasion of their views and beliefs in society are dangerous. But if everyone accepts that there are many gods, you’ve got a better chance at pluralism.

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Targetpractice  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:37:09am

re: #266 lawhawk

On cue…

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Calling out hypocrisy and media failing and media types circle the wagons.

It’s entirely predictable.

Maggie has history of refusing to call Trump lies lies, using all manner of euphemism.

But when Clinton’s involved, she has no problem to call something a lie even if that statement is unsupported by the evidence at the time made.

Maggie’s a hack who has access to Trump in some fashion, so she gets juicy scoops, which isn’t so much reporting as hagiography or stenography. Others are using her to settle scores.

That’s not journalism or reporting.

Journalism would be identifying that the Steele dossier was initially created by the GOP as oppo research, and Democrats ultimately picked up that as part of their own oppo research. Further, oppo research doesn’t mean it’s not any less truthful.

More to the point, the dossier isn’t even the totality of circumstances that shows Trump and his cronies thoroughly compromised and colluding with Russia. There’s so much more than the dossier - from emails, meetings, undisclosed meetings, lies and perjury, security clearance forms that were incomplete, lies, obstruction of justice, Emoluments, conflicts of interest, nepotism, etc.

Mueller doesn’t need the dossier to do his job. That’s what bank records, subpoenas, testimony, and other actual evidence gathering is for. The dossier is best known for the urination claims, but that isn’t an impeachable offense.

This is just flak being spun up by the right wing agitprop outlets to deflect attention from what the GOP and Trump are doing.

The Steele dossier that the media paid all of five minutes of attention to back at the beginning of the year now is becoming the linchpin of their “Both Sides” arguments. Now that WaPo threw up the “bombshell” story to save their sorry asses, look for the Brookses and the Krystals of the “serious” pundit world to announce that the “revelation” means “Both Sides” are guilty in this whole mess. That the “investigations” into Hillary by Republicans wouldn’t be happening if Democrats hadn’t demanded investigations into Russia that ultimately resulted in Mueller’s appointment.

That if “Both Sides” had just agreed on “moving on” and giving Trump the “chance” that pundits had called for after the election, none of this mess would be happening. And that Mueller needs to end his investigation so Americans can “move on” to the things that said pundits feel are “important.” And when he does publish his report, they’ll go “But Hillary…” and that will be the end of the discussion, “Both Sides” are just as bad and thus we can’t hold Trump accountable unless Hillary’s in the docket next to him.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:37:45am

re: #294 KGxvi

I can’t quite remember the details now because it’s been a very long time since I read the book, but I believe it was in Karen Armstrong’s History of God, where she made the argument that monotheism can create dangerous divisions. If you have the one true god, then everyone else is an infidel and any invasion of their views and beliefs in society are dangerous. But if everyone accepts that there are many gods, you’ve got a better chance at pluralism.

I never thought about it like that. It’s possible that she’s correct but you do have nativism in Hindu societies as well but then again culture outside of religion can shape us as much as religion.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:38:55am
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KGxvi  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:39:08am

re: #293 HappyWarrior

Right and it’s the same thing with Chicago. Wingers probably think Chicago is the murder capital of the U.S. because they’re told day in and day out that Chicago is awful, awful. And make no mistake Chicago does have crime problems but there are many other cities with higher homicide rates that are NOT used to push bullshit. But none of those cities is the hometown of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton so.

You have to remember, in Republican minds Chicago = Democratic machine politics = black people = crime. Chicago is just a dog whistle. They can’t say the same about New York (though I’m sure they did back in the day) because they had some famous Republican mayors, and the city cleaned up.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:41:00am

re: #298 KGxvi

You have to remember, in Republican minds Chicago = Democratic machine politics = black people = crime. Chicago is just a dog whistle. They can’t say the same about New York (though I’m sure they did back in the day) because they had some famous Republican mayors, and the city cleaned up.

Yep. Summed it up perfectly.

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KGxvi  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:41:46am

re: #296 HappyWarrior

I never thought about it like that. It’s possible that she’s correct but you do have nativism in Hindu societies as well but then again culture outside of religion can shape us as much as religion.

Armstrong is a former nun, and the book was a history explaining how the same god of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam came to be viewed differently in different places. The monotheism point, if I remember correctly involved the evolution of society in the Roman Empire and then in Arabia during the rise of Mohammed. There was also some talk, I believe, about how those religions adopted pre-existing cultural traditions in order to gain acceptance. It was an interesting read, I’m going to have to check and see if it’s still on my bookshelves.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:41:51am

re: #281 wrenchwench

He thinks that because he went to a class, he has some class.

50 fucking years ago

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:42:11am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:43:26am

re: #300 KGxvi

Armstrong is a former nun, and the book was a history explaining how the same god of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam came to be viewed differently in different places. The monotheism point, if I remember correctly involved the evolution of society in the Roman Empire and then in Arabia during the rise of Mohammed. There was also some talk, I believe, about how those religions adopted pre-existing cultural traditions in order to gain acceptance. It was an interesting read, I’m going to have to check and see if it’s still on my bookshelves.

Hell even among those who practice the same religion, God can be viewed differently. The RCC God that shaped my family is definitely different from the Calvinist God that’s shaped many a RWNJ.

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wrenchwench  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:44:18am

re: #301 Stanley Sea

50 fucking years ago

He thinks there’s some class in that orange stuff they rub on him.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:44:28am

re: #215 Backwoods_Sleuth

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interesting tidbit from the linked article:

Galt’s Gulch.

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Targetpractice  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:45:25am

re: #297 goddamnedfrank

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Bigger question is how is Takagi sitting on $640 million in bearer bonds. Yeah, Hans and his guys were effectively bank robbers, but Takagi’s hiding hundreds of millions in revenue from the IRS. What sort of shady shit was he up to?

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:45:51am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:46:45am

re: #307 FormerDirtDart

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The Buck stops doesn’t stop here.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:47:27am
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Targetpractice  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:47:50am

re: #307 FormerDirtDart

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Donald Trump, CEO of United States Inc., throws his underlings under the bus to avoid investors raising questions about how he’s running things.

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Mike Lamb  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:48:07am

re: #307 FormerDirtDart

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But of course.

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Mike Lamb  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:48:27am

re: #302 FormerDirtDart

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Hold on a second…what?

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ObserverArt  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:48:37am

re: #278 MsJ

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How long before Trump asks for a new Senate Chaplain…preferably one with the proper skin tone and reverence for the Big Orange Zero?

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:50:44am

re: #297 goddamnedfrank

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Belafon  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:50:52am

re: #307 FormerDirtDart

Hey soldiers and veterans, here’s the Commander in Chief you’re choosing to defend.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:51:29am
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KGxvi  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:52:07am
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Stanley Sea  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:52:22am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:52:36am

Jesus, how the fuck can you not know what’s going on in the military when you’re the fucking Commander in Chief??

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:53:39am

re: #319 Eclectic Cyborg

Jesus, how the fuck can you not know what’s going on in the military when you’re the fucking Commander in Chief??

Easy. You’re too busy Tweeting while they’re briefing you!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:53:44am

re: #316 FormerDirtDart

Well, I’d hate to be an American Airlines PR guy today…

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KGxvi  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:54:20am

re: #312 Mike Lamb

Hold on a second…what?

When it comes to my thoughts on all things Trump, I’m just going to go ahead and turn it over to a man who can sum it up better than I ever could:

Dennis Green “They are what we thought they were, and we let them off the hook!”

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electrotek  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:54:20am

re: #321 Eclectic Cyborg

Well, I’d hate to be an American Airlines PR guy today…

Or their social media team.

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dangerman  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:54:21am

re: #319 Eclectic Cyborg

Jesus, how the fuck can you not know what’s going on in the military when you’re the fucking Commander in Chief??

Ask reagan

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lawhawk  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:54:29am

re: #280 HappyWarrior

Oh, I forgot a big one that made the news recently:

Criminal justice system - prosecutors gives white defendants better deals than blacks.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:56:01am

re: #312 Mike Lamb

Hold on a second…what?

His “great mind” got confused since two of the soldiers killed were named “Johnson”

Bet on it.

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Skip Intro  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:56:11am

Here’s What Happened Among Republicans a Few Hours After Jeff Flake’s Speech

You would have thought that Senator Jeff Flake would have basked a little longer in the applause he got for scarpering out of the Senate before he got around to the business of emptying his words of any significant meaning they ever had. Instead, Flake—along with fellow brave truth-tellers Bob Corker, Ben Sasse and, significantly, John McCain—joined with every other Republican (including Mike Pence, The Great Tiebreaker) to arrange for the screwing of countless Americans and their families.

In the dead of Tuesday night, with the applause still ringing in his ears, Flake voted to strip the Consumer Finance Protection Bureau of a rule that allowed Americans to file class-action suits against banks rather than being forced into an arbitration process that generally is as rigged as a North Korean election. From The Los Angeles Times:
……

You know who’s going to get hosed now, Senator McCain? All those veterans and military families that you’re always so tender about. You know who’s going to take it in the ear, Senators Corker, Flake, and Sasse? All those middle-class people in all those little towns that you spend most of your time praising as the reservoir of Real American Values. None of those people mattered a damn to you Tuesday night, and it wasn’t the president* that forced you to make this vote. You did it with cold deliberation and calculated forethought.

esquire.com

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lawhawk  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:58:31am
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KGxvi  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:59:31am

re: #319 Eclectic Cyborg

Jesus, how the fuck can you not know what’s going on in the military when you’re the fucking Commander in Chief??

$600b budget, 1.3m active duty personnel, bases and missions all over the world… I actually wouldn’t be surprised if any president didn’t know every single thing that was happening. That’s why you have the Secretary of Defense and Secretaries of the Army, Air Force, and Navy, as well as all the other appointees.

But as president you don’t just get to say, “eh,wasn’t on me, they did it.” You are the head of the executive branch and commander in chief. You’re ultimately responsible. But therein lies the rub… Trump has never really had to face the burden of responsibility, he always had a bailout available, whether it was his dad, bankruptcy, or foreign banks.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 25, 2017 • 10:59:47am
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KGxvi  Oct 25, 2017 • 11:06:05am

re: #328 lawhawk

Special forces have been in Niger for training missions and to combat extremists groups in the area since 2012, and we’ve had a military presence in the region since the Bush administration. The president isn’t going to approve every single outing that a group of soldiers engages in - we’d never get anything done.

I hate giving Trump the benefit of the doubt here, but it’s entirely reasonable to assume that local command had the authority to authorize the mission. This looks like an intelligence failure.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2017 • 11:07:23am

re: #331 KGxvi

Special forces have been in Niger for training missions and to combat extremists groups in the area since 2012, and we’ve had a military presence in the region since the Bush administration. The president isn’t going to approve every single outing that a group of soldiers engages in - we’d never get anything done.

I hate giving Trump the benefit of the doubt here, but it’s entirely reasonable to assume that local command had the authority to authorize the mission. This looks like an intelligence failure.

Throwing the generals under the bus though isn’t cool. Part of being President is taking responsibility.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 25, 2017 • 11:09:00am

re: #276 lawhawk

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The unabomber went to Harvard at age 16 I seem to remember.

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KGxvi  Oct 25, 2017 • 11:10:33am

re: #332 HappyWarrior

Throwing the generals under the bus though isn’t cool. Part of being President is taking responsibility.

Oh, absolutely, and that’s what I said in my prior comment.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 25, 2017 • 11:10:57am

re: #333 Eventual Carrion

The unabomber went to Harvard at age 16 I seem to remember.

That sounds right - he was basically a genius.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 25, 2017 • 11:11:11am
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ObserverArt  Oct 25, 2017 • 11:11:45am

re: #279 Belafon

So did Ted Kaczynski (Harvard).

And Harvard may have messed him up.

The Discovery Channel series they did back this summer covered his time at Harvard. No excuses for what Kaczynski did, but there is no excuse for what Harvard did either.

From Ted Kaczynski Wiki page:

As a sophomore Kaczynski participated in a study, described by author Alton Chase as a “purposely brutalizing psychological experiment”, led by Harvard psychologist Henry Murray. Subjects were told they would be debating personal philosophy with a fellow student, and were asked to write essays detailing their personal beliefs and aspirations. The essays were turned over to an anonymous attorney, who in a later session would confront and belittle the subject - making “vehement, sweeping, and personally abusive” attacks - using the content of the essays as ammunition, while electrodes monitored the subject’s physiological reactions. These encounters were filmed, and subject’s expressions of rage were later played back to them repeatedly.[22] The experiment ultimately lasted three years, with someone verbally abusing and humiliating Kaczynski each week.[23][24] Kaczynski’s lawyers later attributed his hostility towards mind control techniques to this experience.[22] Chase[25][26] and others[27][28] have also suggested that this experience may have motivated Kaczynski’s criminal activities, while philosopher Jonathan D. Moreno has said that Kaczynski’s later bombing campaign can “by no means be laid at Harvard’s door”.

And here is a link to an extensive and long Atlantic article on his time at Harvard. If anyone is interested, it is a good read. Just make sure you have some time.

The Atlantic - Harvard and the Making of the Unabomber

Here is the intro to The Atlantic article:

In the fall of 1958 Theodore Kaczynski, a brilliant but vulnerable boy of sixteen, entered Harvard College. There he encountered a prevailing intellectual atmosphere of anti-technological despair. There, also, he was deceived into subjecting himself to a series of purposely brutalizing psychological experiments—experiments that may have confirmed his still-forming belief in the evil of science. Was the Unabomber born at Harvard? A look inside the files

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lawhawk  Oct 25, 2017 • 11:12:42am

re: #331 KGxvi

Trump’s throwing his own actions into question, and those of the generals with his statement. The only way to absolutely sort through this latest bullshit is to have Congress hold hearings under oath to know who knew what and when.

I get that the mission was an ongoing counter terrorism effort (and Trump’s all about going after terrorists - as he loves to remind people, despite having nothing to show for it). But Trump had to inform generals of intent to continue the overall mission or not. Did that happen, what is the process by which admin tells Pentagon of missions and goals, and did this admin follow protocols throughout?

Any amount of hearings on this should be a wakeup call for the GOP and the nation, because they’d see how damaging Trump has been to our natsec, and how they’ve thrown natsec priorities out the window.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2017 • 11:13:53am

re: #334 KGxvi

Oh, absolutely, and that’s what I said in my prior comment.

Yeah I know. He’s a dingus.

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lawhawk  Oct 25, 2017 • 11:14:30am
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KGxvi  Oct 25, 2017 • 11:15:33am

re: #338 lawhawk

I’ve got no problem with hearings and investigations. I highly doubt that they would break to the benefit of the administration. I guess I’m just urging patience.

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whitebeach  Oct 25, 2017 • 11:19:24am

re: #274 HappyWarrior

I’ve never felt discriminated or even looked down for being white. But I think this poll in a nutshell explains Trumpism.

But then a nutshell is precisely where Trumpism belongs. In fact I believe it was Winston Churchill who said that Trump is a bleeding hemorrhoid wrapped in a nutshell hidden in a cancerous rectum.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2017 • 11:21:17am

dailydot.com
Ah personal responsibility, so remember that Des Plaines, Illinois cop who threatened to lynch Congresswoman Wilson. It’s not his fault you see. It was a meme maker! Here’s the money quote:
According to the Tribune, Keevers can’t remember whether or not he wrote a threat to lynch Wilson. Instead, he thinks a “meme-maker” turned him into a meme. He also downplayed the post as “a joke, as I read it,” pointing out that people “get in arguments on Facebook all the time.”

Dude you talked about getting people to carry out a lynching. You’re a law enforcement officer. You should know better. I know better even when I’m at my most frustrated with Trump never to threaten him. This dude’s a fucking wimp who won’t own up to his words.

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ObserverArt  Oct 25, 2017 • 11:21:34am

re: #301 Stanley Sea

50 fucking years ago

This article was linked here before…but it may be good to review it again.

Daily KOS - Former Wharton Professor: “Donald Trump Was the Dumbest Goddam Student I Ever Had.”

A taste:

Professor Kelley told me 100 times over three decades that “Donald Trump was the dumbest goddam student I ever had.” I remember his emphasis and inflection — it went like this — “Donald Trump was the dumbest goddam student I ever had.” Dr. Kelley told me this after Trump had become a celebrity but long before he was considered a political figure. Dr. Kelley often referred to Trump’s arrogance when he told of this — that Trump came to Wharton thinking he already knew everything.

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dangerman  Oct 25, 2017 • 11:21:39am

re: #27 Charles Johnson

Routine opposition research by the Clinton campaign is now going to be portrayed as SINISTER LYING? What the fuck is wrong with US media?!

my non-lgf fave electoral-vote, i think nails down the differences clearly
(and then sighs that it wont matter anyway)

First, the Clinton campaign did not directly interact with the Russians—and, in fact, were several degrees removed from the process—while the Trump campaign did. Further, the Clinton campaign paid for the goods they were set to receive, while the Trump campaign did not. Clinton didn’t deal or collude with the Russians. She hired an American oppo research firm, which hired a British spy, and paid them for it. This is where the real distinction resides: If Clinton had been elected, she would not have owed the Russians “a favor,” whereas Trump might have. There is a huge difference between Clinton hiring a D.C. research firm founded and run by Americans and Donald Trump, Jr. going to meet one of Vladimir Putin’s henchwomen (Natalia Veselnitskaya) in the expectation of getting dirt from her. Again, though, modern politics is not about nuance and subtlety, and so there is little doubt that the two situations will be treated as equivalent by many on the right (and maybe even by many on the left). (Z)

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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2017 • 11:21:58am

re: #342 whitebeach

But then a nutshell is precisely where Trumpism belongs. In fact I believe it was Winston Churchill who said that Trump is a bleeding hemorrhoid wrapped in a nutshell hidden in a cancerous rectum.

I wish we had Churchill around. He’d have some great words for Trump. His grandson did recently call him a daft twerp which I have no doubt sounds better in British English.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2017 • 11:22:30am

re: #344 ObserverArt

This article was linked here before…but it may be good to review it again.

Daily KOS - Former Wharton Professor: “Donald Trump Was the Dumbest Goddam Student I Ever Had.”

A taste:

That sounds like the Dotard we know and loathe.

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Kragar  Oct 25, 2017 • 11:23:39am
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ObserverArt  Oct 25, 2017 • 11:24:40am

re: #307 FormerDirtDart

John Harwood ✔@JohnJHarwood
Trump says he did not authorize the mission in Niger that resulted in loss of 4 soldiers. generals did
1:20 PM - Oct 25, 2017

All hail The Commander in Chief!

Article II Section 2 of the U.S. Constitution, the Commander in Chief clause, states that “[t]he President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States.”

Mr. Irresponsible is responsible whether he wants to be or not.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2017 • 11:24:55am

Trump, always happy to take credit for things he had nothing to do with. Always happy to shift the blame.

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 25, 2017 • 11:26:49am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2017 • 11:27:48am

re: #351 Ace-o-aces

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God just shut the fuck up already, you stupid man.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 25, 2017 • 11:28:24am

re: #307 FormerDirtDart

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So the buck only goes to the Pentagon before it stops.

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 25, 2017 • 11:28:29am

re: #352 HappyWarrior

It gets better:
“Trump can’t recall saying he has one of the world’s best memories”

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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2017 • 11:28:53am

I’ll give him a small bod, I doubt he meant to be a jerk to Mrs. Johnson but he did come across as one and because he’s so full of himself, he can’t see that. Goddamn I’m fucking autistic and I have more self awareness of how I come off than this idiot.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 25, 2017 • 11:28:58am

re: #308 HappyWarrior

The Buck stops doesn’t stop here.

Man, I am always one or two posts behind :-)

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Skip Intro  Oct 25, 2017 • 11:29:00am

re: #352 HappyWarrior

God just shut the fuck up already, you stupid man.

He’s never going to do that, and the way things are going by this time next year he’ll be dictator of the US.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2017 • 11:29:30am

re: #354 Ace-o-aces

It gets better:

[Embedded content]

But his memory is the best ever. // Eric, Ivanka, and Don Jr, just put your Dad in a home already.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2017 • 11:29:55am

re: #357 Skip Intro

He’s never going to do that, and the way things are going by this time next year he’ll be dictator of the US.

Rhetorical. I know he’s not but man he just makes it worse and worse by doubling down on this.

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Skip Intro  Oct 25, 2017 • 11:32:05am

re: #359 HappyWarrior

Rhetorical. I know he’s not but man he just makes it worse and worse by doubling down on this.

But he gets away with it. He always gets away with it. Always has.

He gets away with shit that would have turned the apostles against Jesus.

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Kragar  Oct 25, 2017 • 11:32:16am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2017 • 11:36:32am

re: #360 Skip Intro

But he gets away with it. He always gets away with it. Always has.

He gets away with shit that would have turned the apostles against Jesus.

Yeah that’s the most maddening thing of all isn’t it? The stuff he does is if Obama or any of his predecessors had done it. There was an article I saw earlier today showing how Trump has made a lot of GOP voters go 180 on long standing views on issues.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 25, 2017 • 11:37:09am

re: #352 HappyWarrior

God just shut the fuck up already, you stupid man.

Trump is a laughing stock. His antics make the news here - and more than a few of my students have suggested that perhaps we need to amend our constitution to include an IQ test and a thorough psychiatric vetting before we let people run for the highest office in the land.

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Kragar  Oct 25, 2017 • 11:41:32am
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Sir John Barron  Oct 25, 2017 • 11:42:26am

re: #350 HappyWarrior

Trump, always happy to take credit for things he had nothing to do with. Always happy to shift the blame.

He has all these great accomplishments, all the ovations, he’s done more than any president, but still there are these underlings who keep blowing things for him. Not his fault!
//

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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2017 • 11:44:48am

Another note. I see that Lauren Southern is going to speak at the University of Minnesota. What I love is this. All these conservative speakers i.e. Lauren, Milo Y, Spencer, and I know I’m missing others. Anyhow, their big thing is how universities have become echo chambers for left wing students. I never felt that in college. In fact, I remember those of us who advocated for better treatment of the cafeteria workers were a distinct minority on campus and how trying to get the Good Samaritan Act (Basically if you help a classmate who gets sick from using illegal drugs or underaged drinking, you don’t get punished, something that I actually joined with the GMU Students for Liberty chapter in supporting), not getting much attention at all. It’s actually Lauren, Milo, Spencer, and these types that want the campus to be a right wing echo chamber.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2017 • 11:46:37am

Rebellion when my Dad was college aged was protesting Vietnam, supporting Civil Rights, etc. Rebellion to these kids who are about 8-12 years younger than me is embracing white supremacy and belittling the diversity that makes this nation great.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Oct 25, 2017 • 11:49:12am

re: #367 HappyWarrior

Rebellion to these kids who are about 8-12 years younger than me is embracing white supremacy and belittling the diversity that makes this nation great.

Well, it is a form of rebellion, in the same vein as sticking your hand on the hot burner on the stove because your mother told you not to. It’s stupid, counter-productive, and likely to cause pain at some point in the near future (I hope).

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whitebeach  Oct 25, 2017 • 11:49:30am

re: #367 HappyWarrior

Rebellion when my Dad was college aged was protesting Vietnam, supporting Civil Rights, etc. Rebellion to these kids who are about 8-12 years younger than me is embracing white supremacy and belittling the diversity that makes this nation great.

That’s not quite how I remember the lyrics of “Tomorrow Belongs to Me,” but sadly I think you’ve captured the gist of it.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2017 • 11:49:37am

I’ve only been out of college five years now and it just feels that there’s this element of today’s youth especially young white kids that is embracing something awful. Some I think will grow out of it but those who don’t. They will be the vanguard of the right wing for many years to come. We had this naive hope that even among millennial conservatives, they’d be more tolerant and accepting than their parents and grandparents but in many ways, they’re worse. I can’t imagine YAF in my Dad’s day waving Nazi flags.

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Kragar  Oct 25, 2017 • 11:51:25am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2017 • 11:51:55am

re: #369 whitebeach

That’s not quite how I remember the lyrics of “Tomorrow Belongs to Me,” but sadly I think you’ve captured the gist of it.

My generation is very divided it seems. You got a lot of us who frankly are lefty as it gets and very well meaning but I think naive. And others who have embraced this neo-fascist movement. Me, I support a diverse coalition of people trying to reach like minded goals which is why I’m happy to work with people of all ages, sexuality, and cultural backgrounds to achieve it. I did campaign work with people who are old enough to be my grandparents and I did campaign work with people who were in pre-school while I was helping out John Kerry thirteen years ago.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 25, 2017 • 11:52:02am

ooooh….

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Kragar  Oct 25, 2017 • 11:53:24am
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wrenchwench  Oct 25, 2017 • 11:53:31am

re: #366 HappyWarrior

Another note. I see that Lauren Southern is going to speak at the University of Minnesota. What I love is this. All these conservative speakers i.e. Lauren, Milo Y, Spencer, and I know I’m missing others. Anyhow, their big thing is how universities have become echo chambers for left wing students. I never felt that in college. In fact, I remember those of us who advocated for better treatment of the cafeteria workers were a distinct minority on campus and how trying to get the Good Samaritan Act (Basically if you help a classmate who gets sick from using illegal drugs or underaged drinking, you don’t get punished, something that I actually joined with the GMU Students for Liberty chapter in supporting), not getting much attention at all. It’s actually Lauren, Milo, Spencer, and these types that want the campus to be a right wing echo chamber.

Bob Dole came to the campus I was on in 1976. The lefties had a sign welcoming the Secret Service.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2017 • 11:55:18am

re: #375 wrenchwench

Bob Dole came to the campus I was on in 1976. The lefties had a sign welcoming the Secret Service.

We had Mikhail Gorbachev my first semester at GMU. That was pretty neat. Had no idea that Russia would be such a big factor 8 years later. We had Obama while he was pushing for ACA. That was neat. Even ran into my cousin’s wife while waiting in line.

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whitebeach  Oct 25, 2017 • 11:56:37am

re: #373 Backwoods_Sleuth

ooooh….

[Embedded content]

Troopers seize $56,690 worth of marijuana, cocaine and liquid hash in Hamilton County.

$56,690? Not $57,000 or something like that? Damn, these cops are some kind of fine-tuned when it comes to drug values. Hmm.

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Mike Lamb  Oct 25, 2017 • 11:58:59am

re: #326 FormerDirtDart

My bigger issue is that he needed a fucking chart to help him (mis-)remember things. I’d be shocked if any prior president outside of Reagan needed a chart to remember who he was calling.

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Belafon  Oct 25, 2017 • 11:59:26am

re: #377 whitebeach

$56,690? Not $57,000 or something like that? Damn, these cops are some kind of fine-tuned when it comes to drug values. Hmm.

The part they took had a street value of $310.

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petesh  Oct 25, 2017 • 11:59:32am

Shifting his share of the blame … why, there’s a song about that

Kris Kristofferson - The Silver Tongued Devil And I

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Mike Lamb  Oct 25, 2017 • 12:03:52pm

re: #351 Ace-o-aces

[Embedded content]

A better memory than the wife, the mother, and the congresswoman…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 25, 2017 • 12:04:25pm
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Belafon  Oct 25, 2017 • 12:05:36pm

re: #382 Backwoods_Sleuth

More likely, just white people.

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ObserverArt  Oct 25, 2017 • 12:06:33pm

re: #377 whitebeach

$56,690? Not $57,000 or something like that? Damn, these cops are some kind of fine-tuned when it comes to drug values. Hmm.

That’s because they know the going rate. One of those bags (1/4 Lb) and a couple of the hash vape cartridges will be kept in the property room for trail. The rest will be back on the streets in a few days or at an FOP party.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 25, 2017 • 12:07:05pm

re: #378 Mike Lamb

My bigger issue is that he needed a fucking chart to help him (mis-)remember things. I’d be shocked if any prior president outside of Reagan needed a chart to remember who he was calling.

I’m sure every president is given background info before condolence calls.
But, Trump, with his love of graphics, is probably the only doofus to get that info via poster-board displays

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 25, 2017 • 12:07:40pm
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Kragar  Oct 25, 2017 • 12:07:49pm
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whitebeach  Oct 25, 2017 • 12:08:45pm

re: #375 wrenchwench

Bob Dole came to the campus I was on in 1976. The lefties had a sign welcoming the Secret Service.

Back when I was at Northwestern, the frats were full of Young Republicans who invited speakers like Barry Goldwater Jr. When I was at LSU, the young David Duke was wearing a fake Nazi uni with a swastika armband and haranguing people in the so-called Free Speech Alley (some things never really change, I guess). But then I finally made it to Wisc.-Mad, bought a Harley, and the screen went from black-and-white to full color, just like in The Wizard of Oz and Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid.

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Mike Lamb  Oct 25, 2017 • 12:08:57pm

re: #355 HappyWarrior

I’ll give him a small bod, I doubt he meant to be a jerk to Mrs. Johnson but he did come across as one and because he’s so full of himself, he can’t see that. Goddamn I’m fucking autistic and I have more self awareness of how I come off than this idiot.

Only the Federalist has argued that Trump is being criticized for intentionally being an asshole. But it’s abundantly clear that he didn’t give a shit about any of the soldiers that died; that he only called after being questioned about it; and that because of those two factors (and the fact that he’s a sociopath, devoid of actual human emotion) meant he had zero fucks to give about handling the situation gracefully.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2017 • 12:09:54pm

re: #386 Backwoods_Sleuth

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This is correct. Flake and Corker isn’t going to get them to see Trump for what he is. You could get the ghost of Reagan to denounce Trumpism and they’d still love him.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2017 • 12:10:35pm

re: #389 Mike Lamb

Only the Federalist has argued that Trump is being criticized for intentionally being an asshole. But it’s abundantly clear that he didn’t give a shit about any of the soldiers that died; that he only called after being questioned about it; and that because of those two factors (and the fact that he’s a sociopath, devoid of actual human emotion) meant he had zero fucks to give about handling the situation gracefully.

Absolutely.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2017 • 12:11:43pm

re: #388 whitebeach

Back when I was at Northwestern, the frats were full of Young Republicans who invited speakers like Barry Goldwater Jr. When I was at LSU, the young David Duke was wearing a fake Nazi uni with a swastika armband and haranguing people in the so-called Free Speech Alley (some things never really change, I guess). But then I finally made it to Wisc.-Mad, bought a Harley, and the screen went from black-and-white to full color, just like in The Wizard of Oz and Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid.

More things change, more they remain the same. I hope in 40 years Spencer is a distant memory like Duke should have been.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 25, 2017 • 12:13:05pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2017 • 12:14:17pm

re: #393 Backwoods_Sleuth

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My wingnut friend who excuses all negative aspects of capitalism as crony capitalism will be silent about this I reckon.

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wrenchwench  Oct 25, 2017 • 12:14:25pm

re: #387 Kragar

[YouTube Trumpkin and Former Milo Intern Kills His Own Dad for Calling Him a Nazi]

Terrible news, but it’s good to see some distinctions are being taken seriously:

Lane’s parents, Catherine and Charles Davis--Charles was known as Chuck to his friends

/yes, I’m bad

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 25, 2017 • 12:15:28pm

Not too long ago, Kragar mentioned how sometimes an ingrown toenail can bleed.
A LOT.

Today, sadly, I can confirm that.

That is all…

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Jay C  Oct 25, 2017 • 12:15:45pm

re: #377 whitebeach

$56,690? Not $57,000 or something like that? Damn, these cops are some kind of fine-tuned when it comes to drug values. Hmm.

Maybe they were seized with the receipts still attached?

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Kragar  Oct 25, 2017 • 12:17:18pm

re: #396 Backwoods_Sleuth

Get yourself one of these.

amazon.com

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nines09  Oct 25, 2017 • 12:18:06pm

Ain’t heard no Mike Ness is a while. Grab a slice.

Mike Ness - No Man’s Friend

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darthstar  Oct 25, 2017 • 12:18:52pm
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Ace-o-aces  Oct 25, 2017 • 12:19:28pm

Alyssa Milano has a better grasp of this issue than half the Washington Press corps.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 25, 2017 • 12:19:50pm

re: #366 HappyWarrior

Another note. I see that Lauren Southern is going to speak at the University of Minnesota. What I love is this. All these conservative speakers i.e. Lauren, Milo Y, Spencer, and I know I’m missing others. Anyhow, their big thing is how universities have become echo chambers for left wing students. I never felt that in college. In fact, I remember those of us who advocated for better treatment of the cafeteria workers were a distinct minority on campus and how trying to get the Good Samaritan Act (Basically if you help a classmate who gets sick from using illegal drugs or underaged drinking, you don’t get punished, something that I actually joined with the GMU Students for Liberty chapter in supporting), not getting much attention at all. It’s actually Lauren, Milo, Spencer, and these types that want the campus to be a right wing echo chamber.

That’s because you were in the Leftist echo chamber. Only Milo, Spencer and other brave conservatives who absolutely don’t live in a Fox-Breitbart-Rush Limbo echo chamber can free your mind.

///

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Ghost of the Mare Island Mud Puppy  Oct 25, 2017 • 12:20:46pm

re: #398 Kragar

Get yourself one of these.

amazon.com

Damn thing looks like a medieval torture device.

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darthstar  Oct 25, 2017 • 12:20:50pm

re: #377 whitebeach

$56,690? Not $57,000 or something like that? Damn, these cops are some kind of fine-tuned when it comes to drug values. Hmm.

$310 worth didn’t make it. So that means probably 1/4 ounce of pot and a 1/16th of coke.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 25, 2017 • 12:21:07pm

re: #401 Ace-o-aces

[Embedded content]

Alyssa Milano has a better grasp of this issue than half the Washington Press corps.

Great minds Alyssa, great minds. I had the same thought upon hearing about this.

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RiverBoy  Oct 25, 2017 • 12:22:45pm

re: #386 Backwoods_Sleuth

“in too deep, too compromised morally, and too in hock to their donors to bolt now.”

This is why Flake and Corker are leaving. They know the whole party is run by the Donors and the Donors have no problem doing whatever it takes to get the policies they like. It does not matter to them that in order to stay in power the politicians have to pander and encourage outright racists and other horrible human beings. The end justifies the means to these people. Flake and Corker had no problem doing the bidding of these donors to screw over the people with their vote mere hours after their rants. As long as they can portray themselves in decent light they would have no problem to continue to screw over this country.

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dangerman  Oct 25, 2017 • 12:23:01pm

re: #388 whitebeach

Back when I was at Northwestern, the frats were full of Young Republicans who invited speakers like Barry Goldwater Jr. When I was at LSU, the young David Duke was wearing a fake Nazi uni with a swastika armband and haranguing people in the so-called Free Speech Alley (some things never really change, I guess). But then I finally made it to Wisc.-Mad, bought a Harley, and the screen went from black-and-white to full color, just like in The Wizard of Oz and Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid.

i credit the harley mostly

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Sir John Barron  Oct 25, 2017 • 12:23:40pm

re: #401 Ace-o-aces

Alyssa Milano has a better grasp of this issue than half the Washington Press corps.

That’s all Donny Junior was doing with the Russia person to get dirt on Hillary and that’s all the Wikileaks was doing with the DNC data, even though it wasn’t Wikileaks or Russia that hacked the Dems that was that DNC person that Hillary had kilt.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 25, 2017 • 12:23:47pm

re: #382 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Female employees at Sinclair can soon look forward to multi-million dollar settlements!

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Unshaken Defiance  Oct 25, 2017 • 12:24:02pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 25, 2017 • 12:24:11pm

re: #398 Kragar

Get yourself one of these.

amazon.com

jeebus…looks like it could also uncork a wine bottle!

Seriously, though, thanks; just ordered it.
My toenail looks absolutely gross right now.
With any luck, that gadget can deal with the other big toe before it gets too bad.

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dangerman  Oct 25, 2017 • 12:26:25pm

re: #396 Backwoods_Sleuth

Not too long ago, Kragar mentioned how sometimes an ingrown toenail can bleed.
A LOT.

Today, sadly, I can confirm that.

That is all…

amazing amounts of pain from an ever so slightly misdirected nail

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darthstar  Oct 25, 2017 • 12:28:40pm

re: #410 Unshaken Defiance

Wut da?
Clinton campaign, DNC helped pay for work on dossier about Russia and Trump

Bullshit. I don’t even know why yet.

This is the Admin’s way of dismissing the dossier. It was paid for by the DNC so it can’t be used against us! Witch hunt!

Thing is, the facts in the dossier keep getting verified. The salacious details (pee-tapes) are not as important, sadly.

Add to that the new Uranium One investigation (Trey Gowdy’s Benghazi Boogaloo 2 - Here, Hold my beer!) and the capacity for the GOP to fuck themselves seems immeasurable…

The hard part is ignoring the noise and being patient.

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dangerman  Oct 25, 2017 • 12:28:49pm

re: #398 Kragar

Get yourself one of these.

amazon.com

get a podiatrist

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darthstar  Oct 25, 2017 • 12:29:46pm

re: #398 Kragar

Get yourself one of these.

amazon.com

Send one of those to every Republican in the House without explanation and see how long it takes for one to make the news after getting his dick stuck in it.

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dangerman  Oct 25, 2017 • 12:31:27pm

re: #401 Ace-o-aces

Exclusive: The Clinton campaign and the DNC helped fund research that resulted in the now-famous Trump dossier

Alyssa Milano has a better grasp of this issue than half the Washington Press corps.

the correct answer is “yeah, and, so?”

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(Bert the Turtle)  Oct 25, 2017 • 12:31:54pm

re: #398 Kragar

Get yourself one of these.

amazon.com

I rolled over image to zoom in.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Oct 25, 2017 • 12:45:49pm

re: #96 Shropshire Slasher

Do you have $450,000 to drive a brick? Rolls-Royce is hoping you do.

The author of this goofy article is clearly not familiar with Rolls-Royce and did not bother to consult anyone who is. Going on about stuff like hand polished grill prongs, Lalique headlight covers, and glittering whiskey glasses is common enough, but it completely misses the point. It is all of a piece with the tiresome, ignorant paeans to Wilton carpeting, Connolly leather and so on that we used to hear. In fact, any pimpmobile could be fitted with these trinkets and they are not what Rolls-Royce is about at all.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Oct 25, 2017 • 1:02:51pm

re: #403 Ghost of the Mare Island Mud Puppy

Damn thing looks like a medieval torture device.

Yes, yes it does.

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jeffreyw  Oct 25, 2017 • 1:38:38pm

re: #377 whitebeach

$56,690? Not $57,000 or something like that? Damn, these cops are some kind of fine-tuned when it comes to drug values. Hmm.

It would’ve been $56,700 but they had to burn a twist, for testing.

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jeffreyw  Oct 25, 2017 • 1:44:34pm

re: #411 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus…looks like it could also uncork a wine bottle!

Seriously, though, thanks; just ordered it.
My toenail looks absolutely gross right now.
With any luck, that gadget can deal with the other big toe before it gets too bad.

I am looking forward to your review!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 25, 2017 • 2:00:53pm

re: #421 jeffreyw

I am looking forward to your review!

if it can provide ANY sort of relief, I’ll be a happy camper.


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