BREAKING: First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation

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Here we go, folks. A lot of people didn’t expect things to happen this soon, but… CNN is reporting tonight: First charges filed in Mueller investigation.

Washington (CNN) — A federal grand jury in Washington, DC, on Friday approved the first charges in the investigation led by special counsel Robert Mueller, according to sources briefed on the matter.

The charges are still sealed under orders from a federal judge. Plans were prepared Friday for anyone charged to be taken into custody as soon as Monday, the sources said. It is unclear what the charges are.A spokesman for the special counsel’s office declined to comment.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 27, 2017 • 5:55:46pm

Shit is getting real.

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EPR-radar  Oct 27, 2017 • 5:56:59pm

I hope they manage to avoid leaks over the weekend so that everyone in the Trump Crime Organization has a shitty weekend because they don’t know who it is.

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Targetpractice  Oct 27, 2017 • 5:57:35pm

I’m going to guess either Flynn or Manafort, the guys most likely to be seen as vulnerable.

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Unabogie  Oct 27, 2017 • 5:57:37pm

Now we know why this week was Clinton Conspiracy Week.

Rosenstein tipped them off.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 27, 2017 • 5:58:25pm

Repost from below:

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TedStriker  Oct 27, 2017 • 5:58:46pm

And we’ll end up in a war (conventional or nuclear) before the weekend’s out, so Trump can “wag the dog”.

/half

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 27, 2017 • 5:58:47pm

Manafort still have his passport? I am surprised this leaked, gives time for the rats to jump ship.

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austin_blue  Oct 27, 2017 • 5:58:49pm

“So tell me, does the term ‘Kakistocracy’ mean anything to you? How about ‘Kleptocracy’? How about ‘money laundering to get funding for real estate projects’?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:00:08pm

re: #5 Dr. Matt

Repost from below:

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FNC: Making Pravda proud.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:00:40pm

FFS

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Charles Johnson  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:01:31pm

Gotta be Manafort.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:01:39pm

re: #10 Dr. Matt

FFS

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Mueller hasn’t been with the FBI in years. FNC really showing how pathetic they are there.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:01:50pm

re: #3 Targetpractice

I’m going to guess either Flynn or Manafort, the guys most likely to be seen as vulnerable.

Not much to go on at this point, but Manafort seems more likely, since Flynn has probably been turned.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:02:01pm

Manafort would be a big fish.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:02:25pm

re: #13 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Not much to go on at this point, but Manafort seems more likely, since Flynn has probably been turned.

We haven’t seen a lot of tweets lately from his son come to think of it.

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dangerman  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:02:26pm

im reposting this because, like i said, i didnt know this until just now:

apparently uptown gonna funk me up

YouTube

whoda thunk it?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:03:42pm

Shall we start a pool?

I’ll bet on Carter Page as a long shot!

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austin_blue  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:03:55pm

This is gonna be so much FUN!

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Decatur Deb  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:05:22pm

re: #17 Joe Bacon 🌹

Shall we start a pool?

I’ll bet on Carter Page as a long shot!

Unpaid intern in a red blouse.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:05:39pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:05:43pm
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lawhawk  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:06:23pm

Mueller’s first indictments are rolling, and Fox is busy with the agitprop brigade trying to throw chaff in the air to confuse Trump’s supporters about the impending actual and very real indictments that will be revealed soon enough.

Who it could be?

Flynn or Manafort are very likely possibilities, but so too are Kushner, Page, or even Donny Jr.

I’d actually rate the odds in that very order: Flynn, Manafort, Kushner, Page, or Donny Jr.

All of them have some level of exposure on criminal acts - Flynn and Manafort on being undeclared foreign agents, Kushner for the multiple lies and security clearance issues with SF-86 that omitted key meetings with Russians over multiple iterations, Page, and Donny Jr. for similar issues.

Flynn in particular opens up the door on not just Trump but Pence too. Both worked closely together on the transition, and Pence knew or had reason to know of Flynn’s problems, and ignored them or otherwise failed to do his job.

All in all, Trump’s golfing this weekend is going to be …. interesting.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:06:33pm

re: #20 FormerDirtDart

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Trump ass licker says what.

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:06:41pm

If Trump thinks Mueller went on a fishing expedition with this impending indictment, do you think he will fire him?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:06:47pm

OMFG! What if it’s…RAGE FURBY??????

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HappyWarrior  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:06:55pm

re: #21 Charles Johnson

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Damn good question.

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b_sharp  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:06:59pm

So, the soap opera “The United States of America” hasn’t been cancelled yet, eh?
Any spoilers? I’d like to know how it ends.
My bet is that it was all a dream.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:07:29pm

re: #25 Joe Bacon 🌹

OMFG! What if it’s…RAGE FURBY??????

Did he have any intimate role in the Trump campaign? I think Charles is right. It’s someone like Manafort.

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austin_blue  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:07:48pm

re: #21 Charles Johnson

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Charles, let’s change “administration” in your second tweet to “cabal”.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:07:51pm
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Targetpractice  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:07:52pm

re: #27 b_sharp

So, the soap opera “The United States of America” hasn’t been cancelled yet, eh?
Any spoilers? I’d like to know how it ends.
My bet is that it was all a dream.

It was Earth all along.

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:08:26pm

re: #16 dangerman

You can’t tell me the part at 4:30 does not hurt.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:08:38pm

You know what would be funny? Manafort hightails it for Russia and he’s NOT the one.

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lawhawk  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:08:52pm

re: #24 Shropshire Slasher

Firing him wont stop the indictment. And it opens up the door to still more obstruction of justice charges against Trump.

It’d be a constitutional crisis to be sure, and the GOP will find itself getting backed into a corner as reporters will start smelling blood in the water.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:09:27pm
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b_sharp  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:09:44pm

re: #31 Targetpractice

It was Earth along.

Huh?

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Dr. Matt  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:09:54pm
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PhillyPretzel  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:10:02pm

re: #30 Charles Johnson

Put a cork in it Sean. You are barking up the wrong tree.

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EPR-radar  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:10:04pm

re: #26 HappyWarrior

Damn good question.

If the fact of sealed indictments was leaked prematurely for GOP partisan advantage, DAG Rosenstein is a likely suspect.

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TedStriker  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:10:31pm

re: #27 b_sharp

So, the soap opera “The United States of America” hasn’t been cancelled yet, eh?
Any spoilers? I’d like to know how it ends.
My bet is that it was all a dream.

Like Bob Newhart and Suzanne Pleshette at the end of Newhart.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:10:51pm

Maybe it’s Alex Jones and Roger Stone.

/Just running a stick across the bars at the monkey house.

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dangerman  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:11:25pm

re: #28 HappyWarrior

Did he have any intimate role in the Trump campaign? I think Charles is right. It’s someone like Manafort.

and before anyone really worries
whoever it is has been under surveillance for some time.. there ain’t no getting away

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lawhawk  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:11:42pm

re: #21 Charles Johnson

Good question.

A couple possibilities:
1) Mueller’s team dropped hints to Trump team that this was going to happen (to see what Trump would do - like flushing out game)
2) Someone might have been noticing activity at the courts more than usual, and surmised that the indictments were impending and therefore dropped lines to key media types to throw up the chaff
3) Someone leaked (whether inside the investigation itself, or the focus of the investigation).

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451_Montag  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:11:42pm

Interesting on CNN. The reporter (didn’t catch her name) stated that they know the nameS, plural, but aren’t reporting them.

Could imagine Manafort being exposed for prior shenanigans, but that would give Trump a talking point that it had nothing to do with him. All it needs is one person in the campaign, while working for the campaign for shit to get really real.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:12:02pm

re: #30 Charles Johnson

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Hannity’s more likely than Hillary to be indicted, for failure to register as a foreign agent.

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dangerman  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:12:06pm

re: #30 Charles Johnson

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Sean is an ass hat

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Decatur Deb  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:12:07pm

Well, that escalated quickly.

littlegreenfootballs.com

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:12:11pm

re: #17 Joe Bacon 🌹

Shall we start a pool?

I’ll bet on Carter Page as a long shot!

Scooter Libby for me.

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b_sharp  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:12:12pm

re: #38 PhillyPretzel

Put a cork in it Sean. You are barking up the wrong tree.

Hannity has gone from an asshole to a flatulating butt hole who makes assholes smell rosy.

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dangerman  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:12:42pm

re: #32 Shropshire Slasher

You can’t tell me the part at 4:30 does not hurt.

right!

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Charles Johnson  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:12:48pm
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Targetpractice  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:13:06pm

re: #36 b_sharp

Huh?

Sorry, I meant “Verbal” Kint was really Keyser Soze.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:13:42pm

re: #11 Charles Johnson

Gotta be Manafort.

That’s where I’m placing my money.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:13:48pm

Bottom of the 2nd, 2 outs, runners on 3rd & 2nd, Astros up 4-0
Dodgers going to the pen early

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meteor  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:14:57pm
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austin_blue  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:15:14pm

re: #54 FormerDirtDart

Bottom of the 2nd, 2 outs, runners on 3rd & 2nd, Astros up 4-0
Dodgers going to the pen early

The ‘Stros just beat the *fuck* out of Darvish and his magic slider. Couldn’t keep anything down in the zone.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:15:29pm
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Targetpractice  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:16:21pm

Now things go into high gear, as just the reality of indictments means we’re no longer talking about the possibility of such. It has now happened and shit only gets crazier from here.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:17:16pm

re: #58 Targetpractice

Now things go into high gear, as just the reality of indictments means we’re no longer talking about the possibility of such. It has now happened and shit only gets crazier from here.

It’s going to be a very interesting winter.

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danarchy  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:17:24pm

When the Mueller investigation started I was of the opinion they would claim a couple scalps, likely Flynn and Manafort, but they wouldn’t really get anyone at the top of the administration. Unfortunately, I still think that is the most likely scenario.

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TedStriker  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:17:38pm

re: #40 TedStriker

Like Bob Newhart and Suzanne Pleshette at the end of Newhart.

Speaking of Pleshette, I had no idea she was married to Tom Poston the last few years of their lives; he died a year before her.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:19:17pm

re: #60 danarchy

When the Mueller investigation started I was of the opinion they would claim a couple scalps, likely Flynn and Manafort, but they wouldn’t really get anyone at the top of the administration. Unfortunately, I still think that is the most likely scenario.

I dunno. Mueller seems determined to get to the bottom of this. I need to refresh on Watergate but I’m sure it started out with some small fish being fried too before it made its way to Ehrlichman and Haldemann and eventually Tricky Dicky himself.

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451_Montag  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:19:57pm

re: #60 danarchy

When the Mueller investigation started I was of the opinion they would claim a couple scalps, likely Flynn and Manafort, but they wouldn’t really get anyone at the top of the administration. Unfortunately, I still think that is the most likely scenario.

I dunno. James Comey has been visible this week and his tweets have been upbeat. He must know if something is in the water. The Trump bots have been agitated. Something is up.

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Targetpractice  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:21:52pm

It’s no longer a question of “Will someone be indicted?” and now a question of “Where will the indictments end?”

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HappyWarrior  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:22:19pm

re: #64 Targetpractice

It’s no longer a question of “Will someone be indicted?” and now a question of “Where will the indictments end?”

Hopefully at the very top. No way Trump didn’t know about this.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:23:17pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:23:18pm

In my humble opinion, this is worse than Watergate, Iran-Contra, or Teapot Dome. This is colluding with a hostile foreign power to gain political power. It’s even worse than what the Nixon team pulled in 1968.

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b_sharp  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:23:37pm

OT:

I’ve been emotionally overwhelmed by creationist bullshit. Those same creationists helped elect Trump. Magical thinking is a cancer.

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thecommodore  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:23:45pm

re: #17 Joe Bacon 🌹

Shall we start a pool?

I’ll bet on Carter Page as a long shot!

Manafort is the best bet, methinks. Followed by Flynn.

Longshots (right now) - Don Jr, Kushner.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:24:25pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:25:49pm

re: #70 Charles Johnson

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Oh man that would be something. I doubt it is either because I think it’d leak.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:26:13pm

re: #70 Charles Johnson

Yes, I know it’s not likely at all. But dare to dream.

If Trump has shown one life-skill, it is not being around when the axe falls.

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Targetpractice  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:26:28pm

My curiosity is focused less on who has been indicted and on what the charges are. It could be that Manafort was indicted, but for shit not related to the election.

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lawhawk  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:26:28pm

Watch for the GOP to deflect and try to ram through the tax cuts/budget slashing ASAP because they too must know that their chances to do any of it will get vaporized the moment the indictments are unsealed and we begin to see the scope of just how thoroughly compromised this administration is.

What would be particularly entertaining is if the indictments also include Rohrabacher and GOPers in Congress. Because all the comments that Ryan and McCarthy said about who was bought/paid by Russia will come back to screw the whole lot of them. They knew - and violated their oaths in the process.

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MsJ  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:26:33pm

re: #14 HappyWarrior

Manafort would be a big fish.

An elected official would be a bit fish. Flynn would be a big fish. I don’t know if Manafort is one.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:26:38pm

I haven’t been to my folks resting place in 10 yrs…..
There was blubbering…..

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HappyWarrior  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:26:55pm

re: #75 MsJ

An elected official would be a bit fish. Flynn would be a big fish. I don’t know if Manafort is one.

Former campaign manager at the time a lot of this went on though?

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:27:05pm

Putin’s influence campaign is on the ropes. I think he may bring out his figurative nuclear option (as opposed to the literal one he also has.) That would be outing Cold War era Soviet agents in an effort to discredit the left and, by dimbulb GOP extension, the Democratic Party and liberalism in general. With Republican assistance, they can make up all the files they like.

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451_Montag  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:27:31pm

Be interesting to see what Trump tweets tomorrow. If it’s nothing then it’s really really big

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lawhawk  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:28:22pm

re: #73 Targetpractice

Who is going to set tone.
For what goes to how far reaching this may be.

Like I posted above, there’s some very low hanging fruit out there for criminal charges - anything from lying on SF-86 for Kushner to being unregistered foreign agents for Flynn and Manafort, along with all manner of RICO and other money laundering.

Follow the money? You betcha.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:28:27pm

re: #76 Dave In Austin

I haven’t been to my folks resting place in 10 yrs…..
There was blubbering…..

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I bet they were lovely people. It’ll be 12 years this winter since my Nana left and 38 since Big Dad. Too soon in the latter and even though Nana lived to be 92, I still selfishly wish she was still here so she could meet my niece and her second great grandchildren and other great grands born after the fact.

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MsJ  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:28:37pm

re: #16 dangerman

im reposting this because, like i said, i didnt know this until just now:

apparently uptown gonna funk me up

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whoda thunk it?

vevo.com

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EPR-radar  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:29:02pm

re: #68 b_sharp

OT:

I’ve been emotionally overwhelmed by creationist bullshit. Those same creationists helped elect Trump. Magical thinking is a cancer.

IMO, creationism is how Republicans train themselves to lie with confidence.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:29:11pm

re: #78 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Putin’s influence campaign is on the ropes. I think he may bring out his figurative nuclear option (as opposed to the literal one he also has.) That would be outing Cold War era Soviet agents in an effort to discredit the left and, by dimbulb GOP extension, the Democratic Party and liberalism in general. With Republican assistance, they can make up all the files they like.

Now that wouldn’t shock me.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:29:32pm
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jaunte  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:29:45pm
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lawhawk  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:29:47pm

re: #75 MsJ

Manafort’s a big fish. Here’s why:

1) Manafort’s a longtime friend of Trump going back to the 1980s.
2) Manafort’s politically connected and has longstanding ties to Russia and pro Russia groups.
3) Manafort was Trump’s campaign manager and a campaign adviser.

Taken together, that puts him 1 degree of separation from Trump himself.

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EPR-radar  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:29:56pm

re: #72 Decatur Deb

If Trump has shown one life-skill, it is not being around when the axe falls.

Trump is old and addled, so his self-preservation instincts probably aren’t what they used to be.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:31:19pm

re: #87 lawhawk

Manafort’s a big fish. Here’s why:

1) Manafort’s a longtime friend of Trump going back to the 1980s.
2) Manafort’s politically connected and has longstanding ties to Russia and pro Russia groups.
3) Manafort was Trump’s campaign manager and a campaign adviser.

Taken together, that puts him 1 degree of separation from Trump himself.

Good points. I actually wasn’t aware that Manafort had longheld Trump ties. Knew about his Russian ties though.

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jaunte  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:31:20pm

re: #88 EPR-radar

Trump is old and addled, so his self-preservation instincts probably aren’t what they used to be.

I don’t know; on the other side of the earth, hiding behind three carrier groups, he might feel safe.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:31:25pm

Countdown to Louise Mench declaring vindication….

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Decatur Deb  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:31:56pm

re: #88 EPR-radar

Trump is old and addled, so his self-preservation instincts probably aren’t what they used to be.

Depends on when he drained his last Gelfling.

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Targetpractice  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:31:59pm

re: #80 lawhawk

Who is going to set tone.
For what goes to how far reaching this may be.

Like I posted above, there’s some very low hanging fruit out there for criminal charges - anything from lying on SF-86 for Kushner to being unregistered foreign agents for Flynn and Manafort, along with all manner of RICO and other money laundering.

Follow the money? You betcha.

My curiosity about the charges stems from the way the wingnuts are gonna spin the indictment. if it’s Manafort, but for shit that happened in ‘14, expect the Trumpers to spin him as “desperate” to make a deal and thus willing to “lie” to let Mueller get Trump.

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EPR-radar  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:32:10pm

re: #87 lawhawk

Manafort’s a big fish. Here’s why:

1) Manafort’s a longtime friend of Trump going back to the 1980s.
2) Manafort’s politically connected and has longstanding ties to Russia and pro Russia groups.
3) Manafort was Trump’s campaign manager and a campaign adviser.

Taken together, that puts him 1 degree of separation from Trump himself.

We also know there was a disturbance in Trumpland when the raid on Manafort’s house occurred.

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b_sharp  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:32:46pm

re: #75 MsJ

An elected official would be a bit fish. Flynn would be a big fish. I don’t know if Manafort is one.

monty python - fish dance

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Dave In Austin  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:32:48pm

re: #81 HappyWarrior

Thanks, they were the best I could ever ask for. Before that Gail and I visited with my AA sponsor who I haven’t seen in 5 yrs. that man saved my life (He sez I saved his… I guess that’s how that works right?). I’m drained…

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HappyWarrior  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:33:45pm

re: #96 Dave In Austin

Thanks, they were the best I could ever ask for. Before that Gail and I visited with my AA sponsor who I haven’t seen in 5 yrs. that man saved my life (He sez I saved his… I guess that’s how that works right?). I’m drained…

You gotta work together in that. I have family that have been through the program. Congrats on sobriety.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:34:41pm

Looks like Mueller is going to repeat Bush 43’s strategy in the 1991 Gulf War: Surround, defeat and capture the elite Republican Guard.

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lawhawk  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:35:04pm

re: #89 HappyWarrior

Manafort, Stone and Trump are all longtime accomplices/associates/acquaintances.

And they were ultimately introduced to each other by Roy Cohn (yeah, that Roy Cohn).

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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:36:13pm

This now also makes sense.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:36:48pm

re: #99 lawhawk

Manafort, Stone and Trump are all longtime accomplices/associates/acquaintances.

And they were ultimately introduced to each other by Roy Cohn (yeah, that Roy Cohn).

Thanks LH. Knew that Stone was someone that Trump knew a long time but not Manafort. Knew about Trump’s Cohn connection too. Pretty amazing to think POTUS is one degree removed from McCarthy. No wonder why Coulter loved him.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:37:07pm

re: #100 Blind Frog Belly White

This now also makes sense.

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Distract and rinse and repeat.

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stpaulbear  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:37:41pm

re: #76 Dave In Austin

I haven’t been to my folks resting place in 10 yrs…..
There was blubbering…..

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Oof. You lost your parents in as short a time as I lost mine (7/03 and 12/06). It’s a hard one-two punch.

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MsJ  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:37:46pm

re: #35 FormerDirtDart

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MsJ  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:38:33pm

re: #41 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Maybe it’s Alex Jones and Roger Stone.

/Just running a stick across the bars at the monkey house.

If pay money if it was that asshole Stone.

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:40:05pm

re: #100 Blind Frog Belly White

This now also makes sense.

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I bet $20 they will accidentally publish classified material in their attempt to embarrass Hillary.

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b_sharp  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:40:08pm

Whine: I’m so sick and tired of bleeding and bruising.

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jaunte  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:40:56pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:41:20pm

re: #106 Single-handed sailor

I bet $20 they will accidentally publish classified material in their attempt to embarrass Hillary.

Gotta give their base that red meat they love.

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MsJ  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:43:01pm

re: #67 HappyWarrior

In my humble opinion, this is worse than Watergate, Iran-Contra, or Teapot Dome. This is colluding with a hostile foreign power to gain political power. It’s even worse than what the Nixon team pulled in 1968.

And there have got to be consequences. Period. End of discussion. No quitting. No walking away. Prison. Period.

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jaunte  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:43:29pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:44:07pm
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EPR-radar  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:44:58pm

re: #109 HappyWarrior

Gotta give their base that red meat they love.

The Republicans base truly is deplorable. If Trump and the GOP engineered grotesque show trials of Hillary Clinton and President Obama to be broadcast on Fox News, we’d all be hip-deep in wingnut spooge.

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jaunte  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:45:01pm

Gorkas gonna gork.

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MsJ  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:45:27pm

re: #77 HappyWarrior

Former campaign manager at the time a lot of this went on though?

I know. But I’ll bet there are smaller. That’s all I’m saying. I hope it’s fucking Trump, Jr and Sr.

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lawhawk  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:47:35pm

Good thread and some considerations:

I’m thinking that the strategy might be to flush out more wrongdoing within the admin because Mueller knows how easily triggered Trump is and he can and will say something incriminating that will be incontrovertible proof of his wrongdoing.

At this point, you can bet the Adult Day Care workers in the WH are trying to take Trump’s cellphone so he can’t tweet this weekend.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:47:51pm

The Sunday talk shows are going to be interesting for once.

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lawhawk  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:48:10pm

re: #114 jaunte

Gorkas gonna gork.

Nazi says what?

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jaunte  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:48:27pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:49:03pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:49:11pm
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lawhawk  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:49:14pm

I wouldn’t count on indictments against anyone named Trump at the moment - the investigation isn’t anywhere near done, and this is likely strategy to get a flip.

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jaunte  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:50:10pm

re: #118 lawhawk

Nazi says what?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:50:44pm

re: #112 Charles Johnson

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It’d be hilarious if it was Gorka himself but I doubt it is.

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EPR-radar  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:53:43pm

re: #122 lawhawk

I wouldn’t count on indictments against anyone named Trump at the moment - the investigation isn’t anywhere near done, and this is likely strategy to get a flip.

IIRC Manafort seemed like the kind of weasel that would flip if squeezed good and hard.

None of the Trump Crime Organization members should be that eager to take the fall to protect the higher-ups.

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MsJ  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:53:52pm

re: #100 Blind Frog Belly White

This now also makes sense.

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From the article:

The sources also said Trump has expressed frustration with government agencies that have been slow in responding to requests for information that he believes should be public, especially given congressional and court-ordered requests for the information.

Maybe if they, you know, hired people they could get shit done.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:54:02pm

There is a federal post, White House Chief Calligrapher. Right now they are standing by to revise the Christmas invitations.

en.wikipedia.org

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Unshaken Defiance  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:57:18pm

re: #16 dangerman

im reposting this because, like i said, i didnt know this until just now:

apparently uptown gonna funk me up

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Video

whoda thunk it?

Now that’s what we call epic editing.

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fern01  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:57:50pm

re: #76 Dave In Austin

I haven’t been to my folks resting place in 10 yrs…..
There was blubbering…..

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I try & visit my folks every year - I think of them at being at peace with themselves & the world - nestled among the Rose Gardens. Still get a few tears. The memories are good & the place to be.

I’m sad they didn’t live to see Obama but ever so pleased they missed out on trump.

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calochortus  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:58:10pm

What lovely news to log on to. I do hope the entire Trump administration enjoys the weekend. The only way it could be better is if it were next weekend so the return to Standard time would give them an extra hour of uncertainty.

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b_sharp  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:58:11pm

I have to admit that Trump’s administration really knows how to manipulate public relations. Only his buffoonery keeps public opinion close to reality.

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jaunte  Oct 27, 2017 • 6:58:43pm
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danarchy  Oct 27, 2017 • 7:00:02pm

re: #125 EPR-radar

IIRC Manafort seemed like the kind of weasel that would flip if squeezed good and hard.

None of the Trump Crime Organization members should be that eager to take the fall to protect the higher-ups.

Trump already sent the signal he is willing to pardon his cronies

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Brian J.  Oct 27, 2017 • 7:00:39pm

re: #127 Decatur Deb

There is a federal post, White House Chief Calligrapher. Right now they are standing by to revise the Christmas invitations.

en.wikipedia.org

“It’s Christmas Eve, babe, in the drunk tank…”

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jaunte  Oct 27, 2017 • 7:00:41pm
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calochortus  Oct 27, 2017 • 7:00:47pm

re: #133 danarchy

Trump already sent the signal he is willing to pardon his cronies

But would you trust him?

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Brian J.  Oct 27, 2017 • 7:01:33pm

re: #133 danarchy

Trump already sent the signal he is willing to pardon his cronies

A promise truly worth its weight in gold. I honestly doubt he’ll pardon his associates; not because of any respect for the law but because in Republican World, loyalty flows one way and one way only.

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retired cynic  Oct 27, 2017 • 7:02:32pm

re: #129 fern01

I try & visit my folks every year - I think of them at being at peace with themselves & the world - nestled among the Rose Gardens. Still get a few tears. The memories are good & the place to be.

I’m sad they didn’t live to see Obama but ever so pleased they missed out on trump.

My parents were both born in 1921. Pop died in 2010 and Mom in 2013, and it is a blessing they never saw DT coming.

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EPR-radar  Oct 27, 2017 • 7:04:37pm

re: #133 danarchy

Trump already sent the signal he is willing to pardon his cronies

Trump pardoning his cronies one after the other will eventually get so blatant as to turn the mainstream media decisively against Trump, with serious collateral damage to the whole Republican party.

That’s a big risk to take, since the Republicans rely heavily on the both-siderist shielding they get from the media.

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MsJ  Oct 27, 2017 • 7:04:51pm

Lawhawk, what do you think about that Newsweek article noted in the tweet above (link below)?

newsweek.com

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danarchy  Oct 27, 2017 • 7:04:53pm

re: #137 Brian J.

A promise truly worth its weight in gold. I honestly doubt he’ll pardon his associates; not because of any respect for the law but because in Republican World, loyalty flows one way and one way only.

That must be why Arpaio is in prison right now…

He will pardon people to protect himself, it has little to do with loyalty.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 27, 2017 • 7:05:35pm

Flynn

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 27, 2017 • 7:05:48pm
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Brian J.  Oct 27, 2017 • 7:06:58pm

re: #139 EPR-radar

Trump pardoning his cronies one after the other will eventually get so blatant as to turn the mainstream media decisively against Trump, with serious collateral damage to the whole Republican party.

That’s a big risk to take, since the Republicans rely heavily on the both-siderist shielding they get from the media.

Nonsense. They readily forgave and forgot everything they were told to, because the holy cause of killing That Woman’s career was paramount. Now they’re effectively co-conspirators, “in blood Stepped in so far that, should [they] wade no more, Returning were as tedious as go o’er.”

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MsJ  Oct 27, 2017 • 7:07:09pm

re: #141 danarchy

That must be why Arpaio is in prison right now…

He will pardon people to protect himself, it has little to do with loyalty.

Exactly. He’ll pardon until he can’t any longer. Trump doesn’t give a shit about Republicans. Or his own kids (except for Ivanka). Or anything really other than him. He’d throw Melania in prison if it helped him.

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William Lewis  Oct 27, 2017 • 7:07:31pm

Like I said recently about something else, they can no longer win. The culture itself has changed. Ten years ago, this couldn’t have been imagined:

It was TV history made in a moment. Goofy 13-year-old Cyrus Goodman came out as gay by confiding to his good friend Buffy that he had a crush on a boy. That boy is cool kid Jonah Beck, who just started dating Cyrus and Buffy’s best friend, Andi Mack.

The show is the Disney Channel’s hit tween dramedy, Andi Mack.

Emphasis added.

A Boy With A Crush On A Boy — And For The Disney Channel, A First

Ten years from now, no one will really remember this but for the family friendly kid safe tween entertainment giant of Disney to have a boy talking of a crush on another boy? As if it were just another tween romance? Goodness, what if they kiss?

The right wing is loosing the culture war, bit by bit. They’ll continue to flail around and they’ll damage more than a few lives in the process. But in the end? We have a generation growing up that is winning the battle to liberate love. We’ll still have other battles to fight but, like tonight’s news of charges against the Trump crime family, we are moving forward and slowly winning the war of time.

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wheat-dogg  Oct 27, 2017 • 7:08:16pm

re: #32 Shropshire Slasher

You can’t tell me the part at 4:30 does not hurt.

I wouldn’t want to try it now, with 61-year-old legs badly in need in stretches.

I’ve seen most of those films. I’m a sucker for dance movies. I blame my daughter.

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Brian J.  Oct 27, 2017 • 7:09:13pm

re: #141 danarchy

That must be why Arpaio is in prison right now…

He will pardon people to protect himself, it has little to do with loyalty.

Arpaio didn’t make any threats against him, because he was never in position to do Donny any real harm. I doubt very much that is true of the face cards currently occupying the White House.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 27, 2017 • 7:09:55pm

H.W. at the the game in Houston.
Did not appear there were any ladies within arm reach

just sayin’

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Bubblehead II  Oct 27, 2017 • 7:09:59pm

Night Lizards. Any indictments (imho) are going to be low level. Crimes Mueller can prove beyond reasonable doubt. He’s only going to go after low level flunkies & 1/2 of those will plead out while not disclosing squat. Will it tarnish this Admin, yes. But it was tarnished from the start. What the hell is a bit more verdigris?

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Cheechako  Oct 27, 2017 • 7:10:45pm

re: #139 EPR-radar

Trump pardoning his cronies one after the other will eventually get so blatant as to turn the mainstream media decisively against Trump, with serious collateral damage to the whole Republican party.

That’s a big risk to take, since the Republicans rely heavily on the both-siderist shielding they get from the media.

Am I correct in understanding that, if trump pardons some of his cohorts, the pardoned cohorts can then be required to testify against him or others because they have immunity from further prosecution? And that refusing to testify would then be contempt of court?

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Decatur Deb  Oct 27, 2017 • 7:11:14pm

re: #149 FormerDirtDart

H.W. at the the game in Houston.
Did not appear there were any ladies within arm reach

just sayin’

Do they have a kiss-cam?

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Oct 27, 2017 • 7:12:30pm

re: #105 MsJ

If pay money if it was that asshole Stone.

Stone is arrogant enough to think he can move up to the international level and still pull the same shit he gets away with in Gooberville America. He may well be the one, or one of several.

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EPR-radar  Oct 27, 2017 • 7:12:49pm

re: #151 Cheechako

Am I correct in understanding that, if trump pardons some of his cohorts, the pardoned cohorts can then be required to testify against him or others because they have immunity from further prosecution? And that refusing to testify would then be contempt of court?

Maybe, but if so a second pardon could come for the contempt of court charge.

Legally Trump’s pardoning power is nearly absolute. But if he uses it vs. this investigation it will hopefully cause serious political damage to Trump and the Republicans.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 27, 2017 • 7:14:12pm
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FormerDirtDart  Oct 27, 2017 • 7:16:53pm

Yeah, he’s watching FOX

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Stanley Sea  Oct 27, 2017 • 7:17:58pm

re: #126 MsJ

From the article:

Maybe if they, you know, hired people they could get shit done.

Don McGahn is up to his eyeballs. Every thing he could do wrong, he has.

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austin_blue  Oct 27, 2017 • 7:18:33pm

re: #155 FormerDirtDart

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Proof positive that Faux is not a “news” organization but an agitprop organization.

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jaunte  Oct 27, 2017 • 7:19:25pm

“Now the stories to be pursued do not involve when Mueller and his people will move, but against whom they already have moved, and who might those people give up to save their own hides. This is now a crime story. That makes all the difference. The mist is beginning to clear across the Great Grimpen Mire.”
esquire.com

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Belafon  Oct 27, 2017 • 7:19:25pm

re: #100 Blind Frog Belly White

Chafe, smoke, whatever we can throw up.

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EPR-radar  Oct 27, 2017 • 7:22:01pm

re: #158 austin_blue

Proof positive that Faux is not a “news” organization but an agitprop organization.

Faux News being 100% a propaganda shop is one of the many facts that right wingers are impervious to. My assumption is that absolutely everything on Fox News is designed to promote the GOP agenda, including the weather reports.

If they haven’t figured out yet how to give weather reports in a way to make their viewers believe Democrats are the spawn of Satan, they are surely working on it.

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Cheechako  Oct 27, 2017 • 7:22:37pm

I hope the FBI gives us some great perp walks!

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 27, 2017 • 7:23:06pm

That GOP primary for Flake’s seat could be ugly

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jaunte  Oct 27, 2017 • 7:25:55pm

With the sound off they don’t seem so happy.

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teleskiguy  Oct 27, 2017 • 7:26:09pm

Wouldn’t it be nice if Fuckface Von Clownstick and his unholy flunkies go down before the year is out? That would be dandy.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 27, 2017 • 7:26:26pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 27, 2017 • 7:27:02pm

re: #165 teleskiguy

Wouldn’t it be nice if Fuckface Von Clownstick and his unholy flunkies go down before the year is out? That would be dandy.

Not going to happen, but at the rate we’re going, I could see Trump getting torpedoed by the midterm elections next fall.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 27, 2017 • 7:27:13pm

Scores from 1st on an infield dribbler
Astros 5-1

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wheat-dogg  Oct 27, 2017 • 7:28:27pm

re: #167 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Not going to happen, but at the rate we’re going, I could see Trump getting torpedoed by the midterm elections next fall.

Not just Trump, but the whole GOP. They might lose the majority in the House.

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calochortus  Oct 27, 2017 • 7:30:00pm

re: #167 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

re: #169 wheat-dogg

A girl can dream….

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Charles Johnson  Oct 27, 2017 • 7:34:05pm
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Skip Intro  Oct 27, 2017 • 7:35:57pm

re: #169 wheat-dogg

Not just Trump, but the whole GOP. They might lose the majority in the House.

This sounds like the “Texas is going to turn blue” fantasy from 2016.

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jaunte  Oct 27, 2017 • 7:41:04pm

The Republican project to blind the nation continues.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 27, 2017 • 7:41:10pm
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scottslemmons  Oct 27, 2017 • 7:44:29pm

I figure some of the Fox execs and pundits could very well be implicated, have certainly conspired with Russians, and know they could be facing indictments, too.

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wheat-dogg  Oct 27, 2017 • 7:44:40pm

re: #172 Skip Intro

This sounds like the “Texas is going to turn blue” fantasy from 2016.

Aside from his legal troubles, Trump overpromised results during the campaign, and out-and-out lied to his base what he was going to do. All but the absolutely devoted see through his con: the wall is not going to built, jobs are not coming back by the millions, middle class people are not getting tax cuts, coal is still dead as an industry, health care is being destroyed not improved, and the president is clearly both stupid and mentally impaired. As long as the Republicans continue to stand by Trump, they risk having the undecided voters associate them with the Liar-in-Chief and voting Democrat in protest. But the Dems have to make that association clear. It’s that last part that worries me.

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wheat-dogg  Oct 27, 2017 • 7:48:58pm

A musical Interlude (the first tune, in fact.

Um Café Lá em Casa com Tico de Moraes e Nelson Faria

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austin_blue  Oct 27, 2017 • 7:51:01pm

re: #172 Skip Intro

This sounds like the “Texas is going to turn blue” fantasy from 2016.

Hold that thought…

A couple of districts have to be redistricted before the election. We won’t go blue, but we might be lucky and pick up four seats and go purplish.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 27, 2017 • 7:57:20pm

Remember guys, these are just charges.

Bullshit accquitals can happen.

“Getting off on a technicality” can happen.

Pardons can happen.

Patience is stil key.

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The Major  Oct 27, 2017 • 7:58:24pm
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FormerDirtDart  Oct 27, 2017 • 7:58:27pm
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goddamnedfrank  Oct 27, 2017 • 7:58:57pm

It’s gotta be Carter Page, Manafort and probably General Flynn, maybe also Michael Cohen. Mueller is just shaking the tree to see what else falls out, will save Jr and the Kush for the finale.

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Skip Intro  Oct 27, 2017 • 7:59:25pm

re: #176 wheat-dogg

“But the Dems have to make that association clear. It’s that last part that worries me.”

That is the fatal flaw that I see. Never has a party been given more ammunition and not bothered to use it.

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austin_blue  Oct 27, 2017 • 7:59:56pm

re: #179 Eclectic Cyborg

Remember guys, these are just charges.

Bullshit accquitals can happen.

“Getting off on a technicality” can happen.

Pardons can happen.

Patience is stil key.

They’re dealing with Mueller. He doesn’t file unless he has a lock. Technicalities are what shitty DAs in minor market courts make. This isn’t that DA.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:01:54pm
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plansbandc  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:02:07pm

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I Would Prefer Not To  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:03:48pm

re: #184 austin_blue

They’re dealing with Mueller. He doesn’t file unless he has a lock. Technicalities are what shitty DAs in minor market courts make. This isn’t that DA.

Also, New York state is investigating Mannafort. Out of reach for the trump pardon machine. Money Laundering is still considered a crime here.

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austin_blue  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:04:39pm

re: #187 I Would Prefer Not To

Also, New York state is investigating Mannafort. Out of reach for the trump pardon machine. Money Laundering is still considered a crime here.

So is tax fraud.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:04:40pm
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jaunte  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:05:03pm
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austin_blue  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:06:02pm

re: #189 Stanley Sea

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I believe we have our mole for the Drumpf cabal!

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:06:09pm

re: #184 austin_blue

They’re dealing with Mueller. He doesn’t file unless he has a lock. Technicalities are what shitty DAs in minor market courts make. This isn’t that DA.

Oh, I see you’re familiar with the justice system in Lubbock.

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jaunte  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:06:50pm
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austin_blue  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:08:32pm

re: #192 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Oh, I see you’re familiar with the justice system in Lubbock.

And the many villages in Texas who send their idiots to the Texas Lag every two years.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:08:39pm

Sixteen hours out from Sydney, and we have internet again. It’s a pleasant day in the South Pacific now that we’ve left the humid tropics. Tomorrow we dock in Sydney and I fly to Melbourne to start the second half of my vacation. Today I went to the casino for my usual $20 blowout and walked out with $129. And what do I see when I plug in to the web but indictments being handed down in Washington.

A good day.

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teleskiguy  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:08:50pm

re: #193 jaunte

You know ol’ Stoney had to use every ounce of his restraint to not call Don Lemon a n*****.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:09:36pm

...

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:09:44pm

It’s after 8pm and Amazon never delivered my Wolfenstein.

Fucking nazis intercepted my shipment man.

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Skip Intro  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:10:13pm

re: #196 teleskiguy

You know ol’ Stoney had to use every ounce of his restraint to not call Don Lemon a n*****.

That might have gotten him a 12 hour suspension from Twitter.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:10:52pm

re: #195 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Your trip! Wow!

Photos would be great.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:11:10pm

re: #197 Dave In Austin

{{{Dave}}}

I still haven’t been to my grandmothers’ gravesites yet. Part of it is that I haven’t really stayed long enough in Indiana to visit them, but the rest of it is that I know the emotions I’d feel would be overwhelming. Props to you for your strength.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:13:42pm

re: #200 Stanley Sea

Your trip! Wow!

Photos would be great.

They will come. Not enough bandwidth here — probably until I get home in November.

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scottslemmons  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:14:03pm

re: #198 goddamnedfrank

It’s after 8pm and Amazon never delivered my Wolfenstein.

Fucking nazis intercepted my shipment man.

My brother says it’s lovely. :)

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Belafon  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:14:46pm

re: #201 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

{{{Dave}}}

I still haven’t been to my grandmothers’ gravesites yet. Part of it is that I haven’t really stayed long enough in Indiana to visit them, but the rest of it is that I know the emotions I’d feel would be overwhelming. Props to you for your strength.

When we travel to my wife’s home town, we stop to see her parents tombstone, and right next to it, hers. Her mom bought one for her when she was in college. The chances of my wife being buried in her home town are near 0.

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wheat-dogg  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:14:54pm

Two maestros of their respective instruments!

Tipsy Gypsy (w/ David Grisman) | Collaborations | Tommy Emmanuel

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Dave In Austin  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:15:12pm
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Dr. Matt  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:15:16pm

Ugh

Yuli Gurriel under fire for gesture made in dugout after homering off Yu Darvish: deadsp.in

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Dr. Matt  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:17:50pm

re: #207 Dr. Matt

Ugh

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Dave In Austin  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:17:52pm

re: #204 Belafon

re: #201 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Thanks to all. I deleted that post because I posted way up the tread. A miskey on my phone.

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plansbandc  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:17:55pm

re: #207 Dr. Matt

WTF? Dumbass.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:17:57pm

re: #204 Belafon

When we travel to my wife’s home town, we stop to see her parents tombstone, and right next to it, hers. Her mom bought one for her when she was in college. The chances of my wife being buried in her home town are near 0.

I think my folks think the same of me, though I will be honest, I would prefer to be buried with the bones of my ancestors back in fish country. Nevertheless, it always makes for an awkward conversation when my mom reminds me that there’s plenty of opportunity for me to move home with Mrs. Fish and the fishspawn.

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austin_blue  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:18:07pm

re: #207 Dr. Matt

Ugh

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OK. what?

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:18:12pm

I am waiting for one or more Texas secessionists to come down with polonium poisoning now that Russians realize that they were conned into pouring money and propaganda support into what amounted to an old joke.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:18:26pm

re: #209 Dave In Austin

Thanks to all. I deleted that post because I posted way up the tread. A miskey on my phone.

I can’t edit my quote, but still.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:19:23pm

re: #212 austin_blue

OK. what?

screengrabber.deadspin.com

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Stanley Sea  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:19:26pm

re: #210 plansbandc

WTF? Dumbass.

TYPICAL.

There are many fucking idiot assholes among us.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:20:30pm

re: #214 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I can’t edit my quote, but still.

No, I get it. Thx brother. Safe travels.

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MsJ  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:21:19pm
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Skip Intro  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:22:40pm

re: #218 MsJ

That must be Lumpy’s BIG NEWS TICK TOCK.

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austin_blue  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:23:09pm

re: #215 Dr. Matt

screengrabber.deadspin.com

Ah, got it. Twit. He never got past high school. Soft cultural bigotry.

“I got that little nip bastard!”

Idjit.

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MsJ  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:23:29pm

I didn’t know this is where the GJ is located.

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Kilroy was here  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:23:44pm

My new way to describe Trumps Tweets
“Trumpertantrum”

(found it on Lumpy’s feed)

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:25:44pm

re: #219 Skip Intro

That must be Lumpy’s BIG NEWS TICK TOCK.

Aren’t we still waiting on Hannity’s “BIG” Seth Rich news?
It’s been months

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austin_blue  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:26:02pm

re: #222 Kilroy was here

My new way to describe Trumps Tweets
“Trumpertantrum”

(found it on Lumpy’s feed)

I like that. Expect a shitpot of them given today’s news.

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retired cynic  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:26:59pm

re: #221 MsJ

I’m not bright enough to understand what this might mean.

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Belafon  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:27:50pm

re: #225 retired cynic

I’m not bright enough to understand what this might mean.

Ditto.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:28:00pm
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Skip Intro  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:28:21pm

re: #223 FormerDirtDart

For being such a loyal Trump ass kisser Lumpy was probably the first person trump told Muller was getting fired.

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austin_blue  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:29:15pm

re: #225 retired cynic

I’m not bright enough to understand what this might mean.

Possible source of leak to the Drumpf cabal that resulted in the Hillary flurry by the WH and Faux this week.

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retired cynic  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:30:04pm

re: #229 austin_blue

Possible source of leak to the Drumpf cabal that resulted in the Hillary flurry by the WH and Faux this week.

That makes sense. I’m just nervous.

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Belafon  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:30:16pm

re: #227 FormerDirtDart

Did the WSJ? Because I refuse to go to BreitBigot.

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makeitstop  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:30:41pm

re: #139 EPR-radar

Trump pardoning his cronies one after the other will eventually get so blatant as to turn the mainstream media decisively against Trump, with serious collateral damage to the whole Republican party.

That’s a big risk to take, since the Republicans rely heavily on the both-siderist shielding they get from the media.

And let’s remember, Mueller hired a specialist to research and handle pardons exclusively.

We won’t see the full scope of Mueller’s team’s investigation without the benefit of hindsight, but I think it will be seen as one of the most comprehensive investigations in this nation’s history.

Mueller covered all the bases. I still have faith in Rule of Law. This country is stronger than some fucking reality TV star.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:31:56pm
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MsJ  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:32:14pm

Future lawyer.

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MsJ  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:33:33pm

re: #225 retired cynic

re: #226 Belafon

See the Newsweek article upthread.

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MsJ  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:35:03pm

re: #229 austin_blue

Possible source of leak to the Drumpf cabal that resulted in the Hillary flurry by the WH and Faux this week.

That doesn’t make sense. Why would he quit? Trump would protect him.

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MsJ  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:36:07pm

re: #231 Belafon

Did the WSJ? Because I refuse to go to BreitBigot.

The Murdoch owned WSJ? Murdoch who himself had tires to Russia? That WSJ?

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Teukka  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:36:10pm

re: #236 MsJ

That doesn’t make sense. Why would he quit? Trump would protect him.

He got caught in a way which renders any help from Trump practically ineffective?
Just speculatin’…

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:36:14pm

I’ve got a sick feeling that Trump is going to fire Mueller tomorrow and the entire GOP is going to back him up. This whole week looks like they were anticipating this move, fed the press their bullshit dossier narrative and uranium one distraction and the press played right into their hand.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:36:33pm
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austin_blue  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:37:02pm

The announcement that Mueller has issued indictments has (take your choice) kicked the fire ants nest, walked into the hornet’s nest, or grabbed the tiger by the tail.

The Trump cabal and Faux News have two days to go absolutely bug-shit crazy, attacking Mueller, Clinton, Obama, the Illuminati, the Trilateral Commission, Soros, The Elders of Zion, and space aliens.

Strap in Lizards, it’s going to be a bumpy and hilarious night.

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MsJ  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:37:13pm

re: #239 goddamnedfrank

I’ve got a sick feeling that Trump is going to fire Mueller tomorrow and the entire GOP is going to back him up. This whole week looks like they were anticipating this move, fed the press their bullshit dossier narrative and uranium one distraction and the press played right into their hand.

Didn’t they pass something in Congress that Trump couldn’t fire Mueller?

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Cheechako  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:38:00pm

re: #239 goddamnedfrank

I’ve got a sick feeling that Trump is going to fire Mueller tomorrow and the entire GOP is going to back him up. This whole week looks like they were anticipating this move, fed the press their bullshit dossier narrative and uranium one distraction and the press played right into their hand.

I’ve also got that feeling.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:38:26pm

re: #242 MsJ

Didn’t they pass something in Congress that Trump couldn’t fire Mueller?

Not that I’m aware of. Some of them will bitch in abstract terms but I fully expect them to co-sign this move towards open fascism.

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austin_blue  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:38:28pm

re: #236 MsJ

That doesn’t make sense. Why would he quit? Trump would protect him.

He doesn’t work for Drumpf.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:39:56pm

re: #236 MsJ

That doesn’t make sense. Why would he quit? Trump would protect him.

He might have been ordered to shut down or obstruct Mueller’s grand jury proceedings.

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MsJ  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:40:14pm

re: #245 austin_blue

He doesn’t work for Drumpf.

If he tipped off Trump? He’d be protected by Sessions.

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MsJ  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:40:44pm

re: #246 goddamnedfrank

He might have been ordered to shut down or obstruct Mueller’s grand jury proceedings.

THAT would make sense.

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austin_blue  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:43:14pm

re: #247 MsJ

If he tipped off Trump? He’d be protected by Sessions.

Not if he ever wanted to work as a lawyer again. He would be disbarred for releasing confidential information in an ongoing Congressionally sanctioned government investigation.

It doesn’t get much worse than that.

Traitor to the Constitution.

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scottslemmons  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:45:27pm

re: #239 goddamnedfrank

I’ve got a sick feeling that Trump is going to fire Mueller tomorrow and the entire GOP is going to back him up. This whole week looks like they were anticipating this move, fed the press their bullshit dossier narrative and uranium one distraction and the press played right into their hand.

I figure that’s where the smart money is. Always bet on evil, because evil always wins. :(

(Also, I’m assuming the press will nod and smile along with whatever the Republicans say. “Well, Trump says he wins forever, no erase-um, no change-um, no nothing, so what can we do!”)

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MsJ  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:45:32pm

re: #244 goddamnedfrank

Not that I’m aware of. Some of them will bitch in abstract terms but I fully expect them to co-sign this move towards open fascism.

Doesn’t look like it ever passed. Two bills were written.

google.ca

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BlueSpotinAL  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:47:07pm

re: #248 MsJ

THAT would make sense.

Maddow speculates that one reason might be that he was a witness when Trump tried to influence Comey.

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fern01  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:47:25pm

re: #242 MsJ

Didn’t they pass something in Congress that Trump couldn’t fire Mueller?

Reading elsewhere my understanding is Mueller was appointed by the Justice Dept - in particular Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein - because Sessions recused himself from the Russian investigations. I thought only the dept could fire him - currently Dep AG Rosenstein in particular. This relates back to Nixon firing his AG I think?

I could be 100% wrong.

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calochortus  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:48:25pm

re: #253 fern01

Reading else where my understanding is Mueller was appointed by the Justice Dept - in particular Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein - because Sessions recused himself from the Russian investigations. I thought only the dept could fire him - currently Dep AG Rosenstein in particular. This relates back to Nixon firing his AG I think?

I could be 100% wrong.

Explains why Sessions said maybe he’ll just un-recuse himself.

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William Lewis  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:49:04pm

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garzooma  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:49:13pm

re: #231 Belafon

Did the WSJ? Because I refuse to go to BreitBigot.

Almost certainly. Here’s the start of their editorial from 10/25:

By The Editorial Board
Oct. 25, 2017 6:49 p.m. ET
It turns out that Russia has sown distrust in the U.S. political system—aided and abetted by the Democratic Party, and perhaps the FBI.

So they’re all in on treason.

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MsJ  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:49:46pm

re: #252 BlueSpotinAL

Maddow speculates that one reason might be that he was a witness when Trump tried to influence Comey.

That doesn’t make sense either. Why resign now? There’s something more.

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EPR-radar  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:50:29pm

re: #222 Kilroy was here

My new way to describe Trumps Tweets
“Trumpertantrum”

(found it on Lumpy’s feed)

I recently saw a beautiful reply to the ‘it’s a nothing burger’ talking point.

It’s a Whopper Jr. with Treasontots on the side.

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fern01  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:51:12pm

re: #253 fern01

Found a link at business insider

businessinsider.com.au

Trump could order Mueller’s dismissal. But he would not be able to fire him directly unless he ordered the repeal of the special-counsel regulations adopted in 1999, according to Neal Katyal, the former acting solicitor general, who helped draft the regulations.
But that would be an “extravagant” move, Katyal wrote in a Washington Post column on May 19. If Trump wanted Mueller gone, it is more likely he would order Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein to fire him.

For Trump to order Mueller’s firing with no good reason, then, “would be insane even by Trump-era standards,” Wright said. And it’s possible Rosenstein could refuse, meaning he would have to resign or Trump would have to fire him, which would create a situation eerily reminiscent of Nixon’s “Saturday Night Massacre.”

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MsJ  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:51:17pm

re: #253 fern01

Reading elsewhere my understanding is Mueller was appointed by the Justice Dept - in particular Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein - because Sessions recused himself from the Russian investigations. I thought only the dept could fire him - currently Dep AG Rosenstein in particular. This relates back to Nixon firing his AG I think?

I could be 100% wrong.

At this point I wouldn’t be surprised by anything. Sessions did the other day he was sorta kinda unrecusing himself on something. At this point it’s all a punt.

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The Major  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:55:48pm
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John_Manyjars  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:57:12pm

re: #175 scottslemmons

Worst of the lot. We wouldn’t have ANY of this shite if it weren’t for Fox/Pravda (no offense meant to Pravda, at least they didn’t pretend to be anything but a propaganda organ).

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 27, 2017 • 8:59:13pm

re: #233 goddamnedfrank

I guess it’s been one of those days for gamers

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 27, 2017 • 9:00:10pm

re: #249 austin_blue

Not if he ever wanted to work as a lawyer again. He would be disbarred for releasing confidential information in an ongoing Congressionally sanctioned government investigation.

It doesn’t get much worse than that.

Traitor to the Constitution.

I wouldn’t call Mueller’s investigation Congressionally sanctioned. Congressionally condoned at best.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Oct 27, 2017 • 9:00:10pm

re: #263 FormerDirtDart

Same thing with my preorder of Assassin’s creed origins.

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austin_blue  Oct 27, 2017 • 9:02:09pm

re: #264 goddamnedfrank

I wouldn’t call Mueller’s investigation Congressionally sanctioned. Congressionally condoned at best.

Once they approved it, they couldn’t stop it. If that isn’t a sanction, I don’t know what is.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 27, 2017 • 9:03:31pm

re: #265 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Same thing with my preorder of Assassin’s creed origins.

Amazon said their driver couldn’t access my front door but they’ve never had a problem getting past the gate into the community before and the codes haven’t changed. I think their driver just flaked out, got to the end of his shift with undelivered packages and just lied about making the attempt.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 27, 2017 • 9:13:48pm

re: #190 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Mueller is a statesman. Someone who serves not party but his country. I wasn’t a fan of Bush but Mueller was a good FBI director.

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lawhawk  Oct 28, 2017 • 5:44:56am

re: #140 MsJ

Any action Trump takes against Mueller will immediately be considered on par with the Saturday Night Massacre and puts Trump and everyone around him in a worse position - not better. It’s the kind of thing that Congress - even this compromised GOP controlled one - in a position that they would have to act to preserve their own power.

The obstruction of justice this would be detailing is simply something the GOP in Congress can’t avoid or ignore.

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Renaissance_Man  Oct 28, 2017 • 7:44:17am

re: #183 Skip Intro

“But the Dems have to make that association clear. It’s that last part that worries me.”

That is the fatal flaw that I see. Never has a party been given more ammunition and not bothered to use it.

It pretty much doesn’t matter if the Democrats use it or not. What they say is controlled by the news networks, who will avoid reporting it if it looks too good for Democrats.


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