CNN: Trump Had to Be Stopped From Lashing Out at Robert Mueller

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According to CNN, as the news broke yesterday morning Donald Trump went into a white-hot fury and had to be restrained from lashing out at Robert Mueller on Twitter.

Washington (CNN)The dramatic intensification of the Russia investigation on Monday reignited President Donald Trump’s fury at the controversy clouding his presidency, prompting his aides to urgently advise him against lashing out at special counsel Robert Mueller as they work to revive a halting policy agenda.

Watching the developments unfold on the large television screens installed in his private residence, Trump was “seething,” according to a Republican close to the White House.

Seething is good.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Oct 31, 2017 • 5:57:28pm

You couldn’t pay me enough to work in a trump white house.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Oct 31, 2017 • 5:57:50pm

Good thing Trump fired all of those leakers…

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plansbandc  Oct 31, 2017 • 5:58:22pm

re: #1 I Would Prefer Not To

That’s because you have a soul.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:00:05pm

re: #3 plansbandc

That’s because you have a soul.

Hope so. I also don’t like be treated like garbage.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:01:33pm

There’s about 2 lbs of candy calling out to me ‘No one is coming, let’s get this binge ON”

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:01:36pm

A Manbaby is in the White House who routinely needs to be stopped from acting like an idiot. Good to know.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:02:26pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:05:56pm

Shouldn’t have colluded Clownface.

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austin_blue  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:06:00pm

McConnell and Ryan just have to know that their legislative agenda is stuck in neutral. Nothing is going to get done while this shit show is playing out. Mueller seems to have five more indictments in his pocket. If he dribbles them out one every two business days, it’ll take us through next Friday.

Which would be glorious, because every indictment is going to get closer and closer to Trump’s kids. Let’s face it, Trump the Lesser and Kushner admittedly engaged a hostile foreign power to receive information to affect an American election.

Hey, Lawhawk, isn’t that pretty much what the definition of a conspiracy is?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:07:55pm

I remember a time when WH Press Secretaries were pleasant, if not downright fun, during briefings.
Everyone in this current administration is a prune-faced hater/loser/stick-up-their-butts.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:09:14pm

re: #10 Backwoods_Sleuth

I remember a time when WH Press Secretaries were pleasant, if not downright fun, during briefings.
Everyone in this current administration is a prune-faced hater/loser/stick-up-their-butts.

No kidding. Between Spicer and SHS, there’s so much nastiness.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:09:19pm

re: #5 FormerDirtDart

There’s about 2 lbs of candy calling out to me ‘No one is coming, let’s get this binge ON”

Trick or treating is on at Chez Tumbleweed …

Ranchers from the surrounding area bring their children into the village for trick or treating, as that’s kind of tough to do when the nearest house is two miles away. As such, we get a lot more children than live in town.

Whichever marketing guru came up with the phrase “fun sized” for half-bite candies should be horsewhipped. (We give out real candy bars, which makes us a popular stop.)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:09:39pm

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I just don’t understand these selfies where you can see the stupid phones. It’s been like that since the beginning of selfies in the bathroom mirror. Do these eejits not know how to frame/crop a photo?

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plansbandc  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:09:53pm

re: #10 Backwoods_Sleuth

That’s because they have no souls.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:11:02pm

re: #13 Backwoods_Sleuth

I just don’t understand these selfies where you can see the stupid phones. It’s been like that since the beginning of selfies in the bathroom mirror. Do these eejits not know how to frame/crop a photo?

Vampires show no reflection.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:11:10pm

re: #14 plansbandc

That’s because they have no souls.

And no clues, either, about how anything works.

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b_sharp  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:13:51pm

So far, 10 kids have shown up. We got enough candy for 30 kids because we had 25 last year.

Looks like I’m going to have to binge on chocolate.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:14:40pm

Okay I don’t get it. We had our first snowfall this morning, about an inch. There were accidents all around here. This isn’t Dixie, did folk forget how to drive on snow?

Candy raids on our house are continuing… .

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austin_blue  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:14:56pm

re: #17 b_sharp

So far, 10 kids have shown up. We got enough candy for 30 kids because we had 25 last year.

Looks like I’m going to have to binge on chocolate.

Get some red wine and suffer through it, my man.

I feel your pain.

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majii  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:15:30pm

re: #2 b.d. (bill d.)

“Good thing Trump fired all of those leakers…”

Apparently, Sessions and Kelly have also failed to find the leakers among them.

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b_sharp  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:15:44pm

re: #19 austin_blue

Get some red wine and suffer through it, my man.

I feel your pain.

It’s going to be tough, but somebody has to do it.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:19:13pm

Schools in Kimball were closed today over an armed man escaping after a high-speed chase on I-80 in the early hours this morning. He has not been captured.

Trick or treating in Kimball is going on though, you try to tell your kids that you can’t shake down the neighbourhood for candy.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:21:24pm

My wife has been answering the door for the trick or treaters wearing a tin foil hat. She couldn’t help snickering when one of the kids came to the door dressed as a sheep: She asked his dad if the kid is a tool of the Illuminati… .

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gocart mozart  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:21:57pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson
This guy
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austin_blue  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:22:00pm

re: #21 b_sharp

It’s going to be tough, but somebody has to do it.

Raining pretty good here. We’ve had five kids stop by. Probably done for the night. She Who Must Be Obeyed got a two pound bag of Butterfingers (meh) and Snickers Crispies (semi-meh).

Well, I’ll be Tension Binging watching this game anyway, but dayum I wish she had gotten Heath Bars.

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plansbandc  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:25:00pm

I watched President Obama saying goodbye to (surprising) his Press Secretary during his last briefing. It was awesome. Both men as charming and personable as could be. It made me cry. It makes me cry just thinking about it now.

Jesus H. I fucking hate this shitty, crass, hateful garbage administration.

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meteor  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:25:03pm

Didn’t get a costume this year. I hate it when Halloween is on a weekday.

Drinking a Tecate beer, and it’s the most substance-free beer I’ve tasted in a long time. Never buying this again.

1-0 Astros so far.

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freetoken  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:26:11pm

re: #1 I Would Prefer Not To

You couldn’t pay me enough to work in a trump white house.

I pretty much feel that way about working for the Federal government, or even the military. To serve under Trump is not going to be a good thing, at least for those at the top of the scales.

And probably for a lot of people at the bottom, too. Notice how Trump through Executive action scaled down the annual cost of living adjustment.

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austin_blue  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:26:19pm

re: #27 meteor

Didn’t get a costume this year. I hate it when Halloween is on a weekday.

Drinking a Tecate beer, and it’s the most substance-free beer I’ve tasted in a long time. Never buying this again.

1-0 Astros so far.

Tecate is like making love in a canoe.

It’s fucking next to water.

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plansbandc  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:26:41pm

Drinking a Chicken Killer and shots of tequila. I will try to maintain some level of decorum.

Actually getting some trick or treaters. Pleased that the weather is good despite the predictions.

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teleskiguy  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:28:53pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:29:34pm
The 2018 COLA (Cost-of-Living Adjustments) increase is 2.0% according to the U.S. government. COLA is based on the percentage increase of the Consumer Price Index for Urban Wage Earners and Clerical Workers for the third quarter of this year. The 2.0 percent increase in the cost-of-living adjustment is about a $25 monthly benefit increase for the average retiree, or about $300 per year.

Hurricanes Harvey and Irma caused a lot of damage and hardship but may have also contributed to the highest increase since 2012 through higher gas prices and other increased costs due to the storms.

The 2017 COLA (Cost-of-Living Adjustments) increase was just 0.3%. COLA impacts benefits to about 61 million social security recipients, 1.96 million military retirees and 4 million disabled veterans and 8 million SSI beneficiaries.

militarybenefits.info (more)

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:30:58pm
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Renaissance_Man  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:31:23pm

Let’s be clear about this. By ‘lashing out’, we mean ‘ending the rule of law in the United States’.

That’s what this really means. If Trump were to declare the investigation over, pardon everyone so far indicted, and forbid any further examination of the facts, that is simply stating that he and his ilk are above the law, and that they are free to commit crimes with impunity. Assuming that the nation goes along with this, he would then be free to arrest Hillary Clinton, Obama, and any other prominent dissidents, put on show trials, and stamp out any further dissent, and the nation would wring their hands on the national media stage and then agree quietly.

By ‘restraining’ him, White House officials are simply not yet ready to declare the end of the rule of law in the United States. They have grown up in a democracy and haven’t really thought through the consequences if that were to end around them.

Bannon disagrees - he thinks it’s time. He has looked out upon the national scene from Breitbart and calculated that 30-40% of the American people are ready to embrace dictatorship, and that the most powerful entities in the US - the governing party, the mainstream media, and the wealthiest individuals - are either enthusiastic supporters or sufficiently under control that they will acquiesce. One well timed phone call, one order from an unstable and demented sociopath, and we will see if he’s right.

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jaunte  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:32:05pm
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Trump family determined to spoil every holiday.

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austin_blue  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:32:07pm

re: #33 Single-handed sailor

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Nice. Vetting is being turned up to eleventy.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:35:22pm

re: #33 Single-handed sailor

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How will that stop another Vegas?
lordt, he’s a moron.

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meteor  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:35:22pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:35:44pm

Trump, Jr. taking candy from children. Sounds about right.

Forget the War on Christmas, they want war on Hallowe’en.

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jaunte  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:36:15pm

re: #33 Single-handed sailor

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:36:21pm

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Trump family determined to spoil every holiday.

It’s not even original. It’s a lame and commonly used right wing trope on socialism.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:36:33pm

CL’d from a thread with rigor mortis:

Mild drunks make the best Trick-or-Treat stops. We were the stop, not the stoppers. Best costume of the night: two very pretty girls dressed as Very Pretty Girls. It wasn’t until they took the candy and turned that we could see the wind-up keys.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:36:40pm

re: #37 Backwoods_Sleuth

How will that stop another Vegas?
lordt, he’s a moron.

Or stop another Charlottesville?

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Charles Johnson  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:37:10pm

THIS FUCKING GUY

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Unshaken Defiance  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:37:38pm

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:37:47pm

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Here’s something politically not correct Dumbo. The Vegas shooter was like you. Ban white millionaire men.

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jaunte  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:38:11pm

I had my teeth cleaned by Supergirl this afternoon.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:38:28pm

Houston has a chance to break this open.

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Semper Fi  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:38:59pm

re: #12 Anymouse 🌹

Trick or treating is on at Chez Tumbleweed …

Ranchers from the surrounding area bring their children into the village for trick or treating, as that’s kind of tough to do when the nearest house is two miles away. As such, we get a lot more children than live in town.

Whichever marketing guru came up with the phrase “fun sized” for half-bite candies should be horsewhipped. (We give out real candy bars, which makes us a popular stop.)

We do not participate (no candy here). However, if this were your little town and ranchers children were trick or treating I would look forward to participating and hand it out myself.

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freetoken  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:39:22pm

re: #32 Anymouse 🌹

Thanks.

Trump’s proposed budget, as far as federal employees and retirees, will probably be what Congress goes for, given Ryan et. al.

See also here:

Retiree COLA trumps employee pay raise

The problem for the active employees (not retirees) is that Trump’s budget calls for only 1.4% (save for a few cities where it will be 1.9%) increase this year, which isn’t close to what inflation is doing.

Trump almost certainly doesn’t care about the employees under him, and most Republicans in Congress are openly hostile to federal employees.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:39:44pm

re: #47 jaunte

I had my teeth cleaned by Supergirl this afternoon.

Had a tyke with an identity problem—Supergirl costume, insisting she was Wonder
Woman.

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b_sharp  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:41:10pm

A mom just had to convince her kid to walk past this guy. Poor little thing was scared to go by.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:41:14pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:41:46pm
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Decatur Deb  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:42:50pm

re: #52 b_sharp

A mom just had to convince her kid to walk past this guy. Poor little thing was scared to go by.

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Fifty Shades of Overkill.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:43:26pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:43:36pm
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Skip Intro  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:43:53pm

If only extreme vetting had kept the dispicable Drumpf family out of the US.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:44:19pm

re: #57 Charles Johnson

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:44:34pm

re: #58 Skip Intro

If only extreme vetting had kept the dispicable Drumpf family out of the US.

Ha!

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jaunte  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:45:45pm
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Barefoot Grin  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:45:48pm

re: #3 plansbandc

That’s because you have a soul.

And because ultimately your lawyer fees would exceed whatever pay you got.

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electrotek  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:47:43pm

re: #57 Charles Johnson

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:47:54pm

re: #57 Charles Johnson

Bot-like user id.

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makeitstop  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:48:16pm

re: #33 Single-handed sailor

I have just ordered Homeland Security to step up our already Extreme Vetting Program. Being politically correct is fine, but not for this!

So they’re going to start turning people around at airports again?

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b_sharp  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:48:33pm

I should have put led lights in the eyes of this guy too. He hasn’t scared anyone yet.
Disappointed.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:49:54pm

Yeah, that document really screams “investigation is wrapping up”

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:50:26pm

re: #50 freetoken

The article notes the COLA proposed for this year is considerably higher than years past. That said, the chicanery being floated would screw it up for years into the future.

That said, COLA has pretty much been a sore point ever since it’s been used, regardless of Democratic or Republican administrations. For Libertarians, they note the problem of tax bracket creep, in which COLA can push you into a higher marginal tax bracket but the brackets themselves aren’t indexed to inflation (thus their solution is a flat tax, rather than indexing the tax brackets to inflation as well).

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jaunte  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:51:48pm

What’s the story on Manafort having three different passports? Different names/countries?

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teleskiguy  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:52:01pm
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It’s the RWNJ way.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:52:47pm

re: #69 jaunte

What’s the story on Manafort having three different passports? Different names/countries?

I’ve had 3 at one time—tourist blue, official duty red, dip black. NBD.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:53:02pm
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jaunte  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:53:12pm

Ah, found it.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:54:44pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:54:45pm

re: #66 b_sharp

I should have put led lights in the eyes of this guy too. He hasn’t scared anyone yet.
Disappointed.

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pole dancer?

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:55:21pm

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Decatur Deb  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:56:02pm

re: #72 Charles Johnson

The right wing whack jobs are out tonight on Twitter.

The candy corn trips ‘em every time.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:57:46pm

re: #71 Decatur Deb

I’ve had 3 at one time—tourist blue, official duty red, dip black. NBD.

I had two at one time, both blue (tourist, military).

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b_sharp  Oct 31, 2017 • 6:57:49pm

re: #75 Backwoods_Sleuth

pole dancer?

No thanks, I already have a skinny one outside.

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whitebeach  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:00:19pm

I never thought of myself as presidential timber, but now I do. Not because I’m a hideous amalgam of ignorance, stupidity, insecurity, and raging self-esteem like Trump, but because whenever I consider him and his entire creeping crowd of family and associates, I have this overwhelming urge to Tweet to the universe in general, “DO SOMETHING!”

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jaunte  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:00:23pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:00:56pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:01:00pm

“Extreme vetting” = Harrass brown people more

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Dave In Austin  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:01:11pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:01:45pm

re: #33 Single-handed sailor

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Decatur Deb  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:03:01pm

re: #80 whitebeach

I never thought of myself as presidential timber, but now I do. Not because I’m a hideous amalgam of ignorance, stupidity, insecurity, and raging self-esteem like Trump, but because whenever I consider him and his entire creeping crowd of family and associates, I have this overwhelming urge to Tweet to the universe in general, “DO SOMETHING!”

That might become the catchphrase of this (short) administration.

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Skip Intro  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:04:02pm

re: #81 jaunte

So the vetting is already extreme but now by royal decree it’s going to be double plus good extreme.

Yet bump stocks are still legal. I guess there are some things even a god-emperor can’t control.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:04:16pm

We’ll have to see if they really mean it:

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:05:01pm
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calochortus  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:05:45pm

I debated whether to have candy to hand out tonight-we haven’t had a trick-or-treater here for 4 or 5 years (steep hill, no sidewalks, no streetlights, and better territory about 1/2 a mile from us)
I decided what the heck and picked up a bag of peanut butter cups. We’ll leave the light on until about 8:30 or so, and then, if Mr. C. wears a funny hat or something when he asks for them, the peanut butter cups are all his. Or we could be really surprised if kids show up and claim them.

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(Bert the Turtle)  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:07:14pm

When the little ones(5 or so and under) showed up tonight w/ moms in tow, I would crouch down and knock first from the inside. It was awesome.

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jaunte  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:07:34pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:07:42pm

re: #88 Anymouse 🌹

We’ll have to see if they really mean it:

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:09:19pm

Does extreme vetting involve skateboarding or snowboarding or surfing?

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Decatur Deb  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:09:44pm

re: #90 calochortus

I debated whether to have candy to hand out tonight-we haven’t had a trick-or-treater here for 4 or 5 years (steep hill, no sidewalks, no streetlights, and better territory about 1/2 a mile from us)
I decided what the heck and picked up a bag of peanut butter cups. We’ll leave the light on until about 8:30 or so, and then, if Mr. C. wears a funny hat or something when he asks for them, the peanut butter cups are all his. Or we could be really surprised if kids show up and claim them.

It’s after 9. The cold drove us in an hour ago, so I’m shutting down the decorations left for latecomers.

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electrotek  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:10:15pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:10:20pm

re: #94 HappyWarrior

Does extreme vetting involve skateboarding or snowboarding or surfing?

BASE jumping.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:10:42pm

re: #94 HappyWarrior

Does extreme vetting involve skateboarding or snowboarding or surfing?

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calochortus  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:11:28pm

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Because women, gays, brown people, etc. aren’t ordinary Americans?

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Nyet  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:11:39pm

re: #96 electrotek

> like any other white politician.

Stupid racist.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:13:05pm

re: #99 calochortus

Because women, gays, brown people, etc. aren’t ordinary Americans?

Well, it could have been poorly phrased. Ordinary Americans referring to “not rich Americans.” It does read pretty badly though.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:13:50pm

The polite bureaucratic language for “Sorry, but I don’t have a fuckin’ clue”

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austin_blue  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:14:09pm

re: #101 Anymouse 🌹

Well, it could have been poorly phrased. Ordinary Americans referring to “not rich Americans.” It does read pretty badly though.

“Other”, all he had to do was say other.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:14:35pm
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calochortus  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:14:42pm

re: #103 austin_blue

“Other”, all he had to do was say other.

Or “all” Americans.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:17:26pm

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austin_blue  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:17:28pm

re: #105 calochortus

Or “all” Americans.

Sure, and by not doing so he separated them. Tone deaf, indeed.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:18:05pm

re: #100 Nyet

> like any other white politician.

Stupid racist.

It really frustrates me how many of my peers think Bernie is the answer.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:19:00pm

re: #107 austin_blue

Sure, and by not doing so he separated them. Tone deaf, indeed.

Indeed but that’s what happens when you leave the diversity of Brooklyn for lily white Vermont.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:19:36pm

Local stuff: Volunteers turned up to harvest six hundred acres of soybeans for the widow of a man killed in a motorcycle accident in August.

starherald.com

[Joe] Penny died in a motorcycle accident in August, so neighbors, friends and relatives banded together last week to harvest more than 600 acres of his soybeans near Decatur, Nebraska.

“It was so moving,” said Jenny Penny, his daughter. “It really brought home how much Dad meant to people that they would take their time from their family (farm) operation and come harvest dad’s crop.”

She said it would have taken her family more than a week to harvest those acres on its own. It took the group less than a day.

More than three dozen people turned out to help. Along with the combines, equipment included five auger-wagons and 20 semitrailer trucks.

A local grain elevator company provided free food for all of the helpers.

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whitebeach  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:19:45pm

re: #108 HappyWarrior

It really frustrates me how many of my peers think Bernie is the answer.

Jesus, what do they think the fucking question is?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:21:15pm

re: #111 whitebeach

Jesus, what do they think the fucking question is?

They see things through an economic prism and think we’d all be fine if we adapted socialism. Sergey can tell us that socialism doesn’t cure racism.

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EPR-radar  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:21:25pm

re: #68 Anymouse 🌹

The article notes the COLA proposed for this year is considerably higher than years past. That said, the chicanery being floated would screw it up for years into the future.

That said, COLA has pretty much been a sore point ever since it’s been used, regardless of Democratic or Republican administrations. For Libertarians, they note the problem of tax bracket creep, in which COLA can push you into a higher marginal tax bracket but the brackets themselves aren’t indexed to inflation (thus their solution is a flat tax, rather than indexing the tax brackets to inflation as well).

The brackets themselves actually are indexed to inflation. There may be issues about the details of how that calculation is done by the IRS, but as always anti-tax talking points long outlive the reality. IIRC requiring indexing of the tax brackets to inflation was a major point of one of the Reagan era tax changes.

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SteelPH  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:23:23pm

re: #94 HappyWarrior

Yes.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:23:53pm

re: #114 SteelPH

Yes.

Radical bro!

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gocart mozart  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:24:00pm

re: #84 Dave In Austin

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:24:14pm

Tie game in KA!

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austin_blue  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:25:05pm

Goddamit! 1-1.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:25:16pm
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calochortus  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:25:57pm

re: #119 Charles Johnson

Don’t be silly.

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Nyet  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:26:14pm

re: #119 Charles Johnson

No.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:26:18pm

re: #47 jaunte

I had my teeth cleaned by Supergirl this afternoon.

That’s really super.

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SteelPH  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:26:30pm

re: #119 Charles Johnson

No.

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meteor  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:27:20pm

2-1 Dodgers

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austin_blue  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:27:27pm

Godammit! 2-1 Dodgers.

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fern01  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:28:35pm

re: #101 Anymouse 🌹

Well, it could have been poorly phrased. Ordinary Americans referring to “not rich Americans.” It does read pretty badly though.

It wasn’t poorly phased - it was exactly as he wanted it to sound.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:28:59pm

[stealing Nyet’s joke from months ago]
Extreme vetting the bed?

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Kragar  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:29:06pm

Every little bit helps…

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:30:17pm

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Every little bit helps…

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gocart mozart  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:30:47pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:31:52pm

8:30 at Chez Tumbleweed … my wife says we’ll leave the light on for another hour, then I can dive into the chocolate.

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Unshaken Defiance  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:32:01pm

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re: #129 HappyWarrior

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electrotek  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:32:28pm

re: #119 Charles Johnson

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:32:44pm

re: #120 calochortus

Don’t be silly.

Probably give them all 280 characters.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:33:01pm

re: #122 Barefoot Grin

That’s really super.

XTC - That’s Really Super, Supergirl

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Nyet  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:33:58pm

re: #133 Nyet

BTW, take a few secs to report her second tweet.

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jaunte  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:34:19pm
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Think they’ll withdraw him from consideration?

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austin_blue  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:34:49pm

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Of course not. What would be really entertaining is if Mueller has enough on Clovis for an arrest, and does the arrest as Clovis is on his way to the hearing.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:37:26pm

re: #139 jaunte

That goes back to my Sept. 13 Letter to the Editor of the Scottsbluff (NE) Star-Herald, where I urged rejection of Mr. Clovis when he was first advanced.

starherald.com

To the Editor:

President Trump has nominated right-wing radio host Sam Clovis to be chief scientist at the USDA. Mr. Clovis has no education in either agriculture or science.

The Democratic Party has called on Mr. Trump to withdraw Mr. Clovis’s nomination, because he is wildly unqualified for the position.

Anyone who works in agriculture should be concerned about such a person in that position, regardless of political leanings. Our senators should come out against Mr. Clovis, as Nebraska needs qualified people to support and oversee our state’s most important industry, not a radio conspiracy theorist.

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jaunte  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:38:02pm

What’s the opposite of virtue signaling? Shortcomings-hiding?

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Skip Intro  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:38:12pm

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Why? The Republicans would approve Jack the Ripper because they have the votes.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:38:15pm

re: #137 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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You caught it! One of my favorite bands.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:39:03pm

re: #143 Charles Johnson

Schmuck doesn’t understand the definition of “virtue signalling.” Bot, or moran?

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b_sharp  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:39:05pm

re: #108 HappyWarrior

It really frustrates me how many of my peers think Bernie is the answer.

It’s not smart to combat a zealot with a zealot. From my perspective living in a ‘socialist’ country, Bernie represents the left wing version of the Tea Party. Change is necessary, but expecting radical change in an instant is as big an impediment to lasting significant change as leaving it to the opposition to decide.

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gwangung  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:39:50pm

re: #143 Charles Johnson

Vast majority of immigrants and visa grantees aren’t brought up to hate Americans and murder infidels, either.

They DO hate right wing authoritarians that bag on dissidents. That’s why they came to America.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:40:18pm

re: #150 b_sharp

It’s not smart to combat a zealot with a zealot. From my perspective living in a ‘socialist’ country, Bernie represents the left wing version of the Tea Party. Change is necessary, but expecting radical change in an instant is as big an impediment to lasting significant change as leaving it to the opposition to decide.

Exactly.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:40:24pm
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Maybe they should just ban everyone with a flag in their username. They’ve made it a signal that they’re nuts.

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EPR-radar  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:40:37pm

re: #146 jaunte

What’s the opposite of virtue signaling? Shortcomings-hiding?

Vice signaling, which we’ve seen Trump and his deplorables frequently engage in.

Best example for Trump is the Arpaio pardon, which was Trump announcing to the nation that he is a stone-cold racist and is damn proud of it.

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meteor  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:41:00pm

This game is proceeding apace, unlike the elebenty billion-hour one a couple days ago.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:41:18pm

re: #151 gwangung

Vast majority of immigrants and visa grantees aren’t brought up to hate Americans and murder infidels, either.

They DO hate right wing authoritarians that bag on dissidents. That’s why they came to America.

Yep. That’s why my family came here. Frigging Hapsburgs and British indifference to the Potato famine.

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b_sharp  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:44:13pm

re: #108 HappyWarrior

It really frustrates me how many of my peers think Bernie is the answer.

Of all the countries in the world, Canada is the closest in attitude to the US. Get those peers to look at how Canada implemented single payer health care. It wasn’t swift & it wasn’t all inclusive. People had to be convinced it would work & even now there are many on the right fighting to modify or eliminate single payer.

It takes work, and it takes time. Then it takes more work.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:46:37pm

re: #158 b_sharp

Of all the countries in the world, Canada is the closest in attitude to the US. Get those peers to look at how Canada implemented single payer health care. It wasn’t swift & it wasn’t all inclusive. People had to be convinced it would work & even now there are many on the right fighting to modify or eliminate single payer.

It takes work, and it takes time. Then it takes more work.

Oh believe me I’ve tried but I get called a Neo-Lib if I point things out. It’s frus because ya know, their hearts are in the right place but they’re so frustrating because incrementalism irnt in their vocabulary.

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electrotek  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:47:14pm

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She sure made a huge stink over her slashed tire which turned out to be a badly rotted one.

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Romantic Heretic  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:48:39pm

re: #57 Charles Johnson

Mr. L’Esperance? I suspect you know ticking time bombs as you see one every time you look in a mirror.

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b_sharp  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:49:23pm

re: #160 HappyWarrior

Oh believe me I’ve tried but I get called a Neo-Lib if I point things out. It’s frus because ya know, their hearts are in the right place but they’re so frustrating because incrementalism irnt in their vocabulary.

Then they’re ignoring history & the experience of other countries. They’re obviously not looking at it logically & objectively, but rather deeply emotionally.

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gocart mozart  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:49:49pm

Happy Halloween

Captain Beefheart & The Magic Band - Floppy Boot Stomp

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:50:05pm

re: #160 HappyWarrior

Oh believe me I’ve tried but I get called a Neo-Lib if I point things out. It’s frus because ya know, their hearts are in the right place but they’re so frustrating because incrementalism irnt in their vocabulary.

On Alternet’s forum when I noted we needed to approach a certain issue pragmatically, I was called a “neoliberal imperialist globalist shill.” Filled my bingo card with that one.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:51:15pm

re: #166 b_sharp

Then they’re ignoring history & the experience of other countries. They’re obviously not looking at it logically & objectively, but rather deeply emotionally.

Correct. I mean I get the frustration don’t get me wrong but A) as you’ve said this all takes time and B) Sanders isn’t a particularly good leader either.

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Kragar  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:51:30pm

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:52:35pm

re: #168 Anymouse 🌹

On Alternet’s forum when I noted we needed to approach a certain issue pragmatically, I was called a “neoliberal imperialist globalist shill.” Filled my bingo card with that one.

I’ve gone from being a former Kucinich fan to a “moderate” because I think there are other more pressing matters than a socialist revolution.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:52:55pm

re: #171 goddamnedfrank

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Win!

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NoSoapForYou  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:52:58pm

re: #122 Barefoot Grin

Upding for the XTC ref.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:54:09pm

re: #172 HappyWarrior

I’ve gone from being a former Kucinich fan to a “moderate” because I think there are other more pressing matters than a socialist revolution.

I can skip the “revolution” part and try to hang on to the (little) socialism we have already (Social Security, the VA, &c).

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:55:15pm

LOL

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:55:21pm

re: #175 Anymouse 🌹

I can skip the “revolution” part and try to hang on to the (little) socialism we have already (Social Security, the VA, &c).

Exactly and honest as I said, socialism isn’t going to cure our problems.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:56:20pm

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Aloo Akbar indeed!

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calochortus  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:56:47pm

re: #179 HappyWarrior

Aloo Akbar indeed!

I rather like potatoes, myself.

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b_sharp  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:57:10pm

re: #168 Anymouse 🌹

On Alternet’s forum when I noted we needed to approach a certain issue pragmatically, I was called a “neoliberal imperialist globalist shill.” Filled my bingo card with that one.

I live in the province that first initiated single payer, universal health care in Canada (see Tommy Douglas). That same province has been primarily CCF (en.wikipedia.org)/NDP most of my life. I’ve voted NDP since 1976 in every federal & provincial election, except twice. I was heavily socialist or even communist in the ’70s.

I’ve been called a neo-liberal by Bernie fans on Twitter.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:57:45pm

re: #178 HappyWarrior

Exactly and honest as I said, socialism isn’t going to cure our problems.

Certain socialistic ideas will help some problems. They certainly wouldn’t solve things such as racism or misogyny.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:58:26pm

re: #182 Anymouse 🌹

Certain socialistic ideas will help some problems. They certainly wouldn’t solve things such as racism or misogyny.

Agreed.

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prairiefire  Oct 31, 2017 • 7:58:29pm

1963 “The Haunting” on TCM!

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Kragar  Oct 31, 2017 • 8:00:01pm

re: #180 calochortus

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SteelPH  Oct 31, 2017 • 8:00:01pm

re: #181 b_sharp

The mere concept of nuance is lost on these people.

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gwangung  Oct 31, 2017 • 8:00:32pm

re: #182 Anymouse 🌹

Certain socialistic ideas will help some problems. They certainly wouldn’t solve things such as racism or misogyny.

Because people forget that administration of past socialism (like SS etc.) was shot through and through with racism. It was considerably less helpful for minorities than poor white.

Past experience is a guide to the future and if you don’t understand that, you won’t understand why you get side eye from POCs when you talk about taking care of sexism and racism afterwards.

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meteor  Oct 31, 2017 • 8:00:41pm

Ding! Dodgers hone run.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2017 • 8:00:58pm

TBH, whst frustrates me most about Senator Sanders is how blind he seems to be to the issues impacting women and minorities in this country.

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calochortus  Oct 31, 2017 • 8:01:03pm

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Unshaken Defiance  Oct 31, 2017 • 8:02:17pm

re: #150 b_sharp

re: #108 HappyWarrior

FFS if Donald Fucking Trump is not enough to teach these people the value of a steady hand at the helm, this moment also being being after no drama Obama… I would call those on that part of the far left the irretrievables.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 31, 2017 • 8:02:25pm

re: #181 b_sharp

I live in the province that first initiated single payer, universal health care in Canada (see Tommy Douglas). That same province has been primarily CCF (en.wikipedia.org)/NDP most of my life. I’ve voted NDP since 1976 in every federal & provincial election, except twice. I was heavily socialist or even communist in the ’70s.

I’ve been called a neo-liberal by Bernie fans on Twitter.

Saskatchewan is pretty conservative as well (at least the rural areas where I’ve mostly been).

When I was last in Regina however, I did get shouted at by a large crowd near a restaurant … I was called a “baby killer” (no kidding), presumably over the Gold Star Family plate on my car (I can’t think of another reason other than maybe being an American - couldn’t have been the trilby hat, or the long hair, or the Smart car …)

My wife was pretty rattled by that. We jumped back in the car and went elsewhere to eat.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2017 • 8:02:27pm

re: #187 gwangung

Because people forget that administration of past socialism (like SS etc.) was shot through and through with racism. It was considerably less helpful for minorities than poor white.

Past experience is a guide to the future and if you don’t understand that, you won’t understand why you get side eye from POCs when you talk about taking care of sexism and racism afterwards.

Exactly. The New Deal passed because FDR was willing to turn a blind eye to racism. The New Deal was great but telling minorities just to wait is patronizing as hell.

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b_sharp  Oct 31, 2017 • 8:03:18pm

re: #182 Anymouse 🌹

Certain socialistic ideas will help some problems. They certainly wouldn’t solve things such as racism or misogyny.

To a hammer everything is a nail. Economic class struggle is the Bernie socialist’s nail.

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b_sharp  Oct 31, 2017 • 8:05:35pm

re: #189 HappyWarrior

TBH, whst frustrates me most about Senator Sanders is how blind he seems to be to the issues impacting women and minorities in this country.

I think he thinks fixing economic inequalities will automatically fix everything else.

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meteor  Oct 31, 2017 • 8:06:26pm

re: #196 b_sharp

Bingo.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 31, 2017 • 8:06:47pm

re: #196 b_sharp

I think he thinks fixing economic inequalities will automatically fix everything else.

I do too and it’s so upsetting and naive. Plus he condescends to women and minorities in the process.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 31, 2017 • 8:06:48pm

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 31, 2017 • 8:08:03pm

re: #195 b_sharp

To a hammer everything is a nail. Economic class struggle is the Bernie socialist’s nail.

Well, to be fair, some things to a hammer are thumbs. /s

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De Kolta Chair  Oct 31, 2017 • 8:10:12pm

re: #184 prairiefire

1963 “The Haunting” on TCM!

Watching it myself for what’s gotta be the 20th time, and it always scares the bejeebers out of me.

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b_sharp  Oct 31, 2017 • 8:11:46pm

re: #193 Anymouse 🌹

Saskatchewan is pretty conservative as well (at least the rural areas where I’ve mostly been).

When I was last in Regina however, I did get shouted at by a large crowd near a restaurant … I was called a “baby killer” (no kidding), presumably over the Gold Star Family plate on my car (I can’t think of another reason other than maybe being an American - couldn’t have been the trilby hat, or the long hair, or the Smart car …)

My wife was pretty rattled by that. We jumped back in the car and went elsewhere to eat.

It’s a constant fight to retain the social/economic gains made in the name of socialism even in SK. The province has leaned right for the past 30 yrs in the rural areas, & Regina has been invaded by AB conservatives since oil has become our big economic driver.

We also have a small but vocal group of pro-life assholes who hold gatherings so they can yell at people. I’m sorry you had to go through that shit.

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whitebeach  Oct 31, 2017 • 8:16:59pm

re: #175 Anymouse 🌹

I can skip the “revolution” part and try to hang on to the (little) socialism we have already (Social Security, the VA, &c).

You’re forgetting some fairly large groups (although they’ll never admit to being socialist): the cops and firemen in most cities, and of course all of the armed services. All facilities and equipment government-owned, all personnel government-paid, etc. This is why it always kills me when somebody on a talk show or whatever says, “I’m retired military, and I didn’t serve to turn our great country over to the soshlusts.”


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