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Kragar  Nov 2, 2017 • 10:51:06am
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Scottish Dragon  Nov 2, 2017 • 10:51:26am

Shorten John Kelly to just “JK”…as in just kidding!

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 2, 2017 • 10:51:54am

re: #1 Kragar

Those amazing fossil fuels!

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Amalthea's Shadow  Nov 2, 2017 • 10:52:14am

What do you computer savvy people think about this? I’m trying to understand it.

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Kragar  Nov 2, 2017 • 10:55:21am
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Belafon  Nov 2, 2017 • 10:56:03am

re: #4 Amalthea’s Shadow

What do you computer savvy people think about this? I’m trying to understand it.

Kind of reminds me of the stat that 40% of all vacation days are taken on Monday and Friday.

4% is small, and even 23% doesn’t really help with detection.

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JordanRules  Nov 2, 2017 • 10:57:15am
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Birth Control Works  Nov 2, 2017 • 10:58:42am

Excellance from Samantha Bee!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 10:59:31am

She’s 100% correct.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:00:22am

Remember the Republicans rending of cloth and the bloodcurdling wail “We can’t place this debt on the heads of our Grandchildren!!”

Yeah, that one.

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JordanRules  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:00:46am
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Birth Control Works  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:01:40am

re: #1 Kragar

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In the dictionary next to the definition of “idiot” there is Rick Perry’s Face.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:01:59am

re: #11 JordanRules

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People who say the Dems don’t have a plan or haven’t aren’t paying attention.

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Kragar  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:02:09am
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Scottish Dragon  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:02:50am

re: #14 Kragar

Bernie was never a Democrat.

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JordanRules  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:04:06am

re: #14 Kragar

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retired cynic  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:04:13am

Everyone could see it coming, but dadgummit. DT did not renominate Janet Yellen.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:04:30am

re: #15 Scottish Dragon

Bernie was never a Democrat.

That fact is often lost on people. I’m sorry. I don’t like the two party system either but when you seek a party’s nomination, you ARE representing that party. Clinton unlike Sanders realized the office was about more than just her.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:05:16am

re: #17 retired cynic

Everyone could see it coming, but dadgummit. DT did not renominate Janet Yellen.

I guess some white dude named Steve needed a job.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:05:33am

Long thread, and still growing

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KGxvi  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:05:36am

A toddler would see a teenager as an adult. Trump is basically a toddler, Kelly is the angst riddled teenager looking for a some way to rebel who has been left to babysit

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retired cynic  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:05:39am

re: #19 HappyWarrior

Yep.

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Ace-o-aces  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:06:22am
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retired cynic  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:06:45am

re: #20 FormerDirtDart

Long thread, and still growing

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I like her reporting; listen to her a lot.

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KGxvi  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:09:20am

re: #20 FormerDirtDart

I’d still like an explanation as to who we treat capital gains different than regular income. I can understand taxing capital gains from real estate sales at a lower rate, particularly if it is a long term residence, but, why should someone who held stock for 366 days get a lower rate than someone who actually worked for their money during that time?

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retired cynic  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:09:41am

The biggest thing I’m seeing is the medical expenses deduction goes away. Gonna hurt a lot of people.

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JordanRules  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:09:44am

This is umm interesting.

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retired cynic  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:10:18am

Deductions for medical savings accounts repealed. So why have one?

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freetoken  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:10:23am

re: #25 KGxvi

Because shut up.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:10:36am

Honestly, I wish more and more that a better challenger to Clinton had emerged. A you know actual Democrat. Not a selfish old guy who seems to have contempt for our diverse base and bemoans the loss of a demographic group that left us years ago because we embraced said diverse group that makes up our base now. Sorry but being working class doesn’t necessarily mean you’re a good person or share our interests. Do I want to help working class Americans? Sure, but not at the expense of others.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:10:40am

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:11:25am

re: #27 JordanRules

This is umm interesting.

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I knew I didn’t like the Caps for a reason heh.

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Birth Control Works  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:11:40am

re: #20 FormerDirtDart

This will never be implemented.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:11:55am

re: #1 Kragar

Reposting from downstairs. Only saw this because of Raw Story’s coverage of above statements

How did I miss this?

” A company that few had heard of and only had two employees was chosen to lead power restoration in Puerto Rico for a whopping $300 million. Whitefish Energy, of Whitefish, Montana, is not only linked as a donor to President Donald Trump but the CEO has a financial relationship to Energy Secretary Rick Perry. …”

Montana energy company under fire after ‘shocking’ contract for restoring power to Puerto Rico leaks

“… “Texas-based company HBC Investments invested in Whitefish Energy this past August, a month before Hurricane Maria struck Puerto Rico and left the U.S. territory in the dark,” Montana Public Radio reported.

HBC Investments’ founder and partner, Joe Colonnetta, has donated more than $40,000 to Rick Perry’s previous campaigns. “As governor, Perry appointed Colonnetta as a trustee to the Teacher’s Retirement System of Texas,” MPR said Thursday. …”

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:12:34am

re: #31 Charles Johnson

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Maybe you shouldn’t be a hateful asshole Laura but nah that’s too much to ask. You’re not entitled to a Twitter account or blue check. You chose to be a racist asshat on Twitter and you got called out on it. In a truly just world, you’d be picking up shit for a living rather than being a two bit Ann Coulter wannabe.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:12:49am

And here we go. BernieBros flipping out over how a Democrat (Hillary) could have had influence over the Democrat primary. Shocking.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:13:00am

re: #31 Charles Johnson

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JordanRules  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:13:54am

re: #31 Charles Johnson

Why does she still have a damn account is the question. Who gives a fuck about a blue checkmark in the bigger picture?

Can’t believe Uber & Lyft stepped up but she lost a damned checkmark. Use the fake diamond like Assange you hateful garbage person.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:14:11am

re: #31 Charles Johnson

Fake account? There’s an extra “o” in the user name.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:14:25am

re: #36 GlutenFreeJesus

And here we go. BernieBros flipping out over how a Democrat (Hillary) could have had influence over the Democrat primary. Shocking.

It’s all over my Facebook. Gah. I’d be sympathetic if her main challenger had been O’Malley and this had happened but Bernie isn’t a Democrat, he doesn’t WANT to be a Democrat but he does want to influence the Democratic Party’s direction, if he wants to do that, join the party, actually campaign for candidates rather than your favorites and then you’ll get influence. HRC literally campaigned for you when you first got into the Senate even though you were in a safe seat.

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freetoken  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:14:35am

re: #25 KGxvi

It’s a very good question and there will be no end of writings on the subject, in defense of it, by people with lots of capital.

My preference is that income tax be taken from all net-realized income from whatever the source. The whole idea of taxing income is that “income” represents the net productivity of an element that is embedded inside the society, so that element returns part of the gains back to the society as a whole.

The American right wing will scream socialism at that idea, and indeed the loony right (e.g., the Pauls) hate the income tax because they know it is in fact redistribution of wealth.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:14:44am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:14:52am

re: #39 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Fake account? There’s an extra “o” in the user name.

Ah! Good catch.

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ObserverArt  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:15:06am

Scratch Sam Bee from the John Kelly Official Sacred Women™ list.

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TedStriker  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:15:08am

re: #39 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Fake account? There’s an extra “o” in the user name.

Nice catch.

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JordanRules  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:15:36am

re: #32 HappyWarrior

I mean, he’s Russian, I get it. But the timing and effusiveness is just like calm down dude.

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darthstar  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:15:40am
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TedStriker  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:15:57am

re: #42 Charles Johnson

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The screws are tightening, even amongst the electorate.

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freetoken  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:16:02am

re: #42 Charles Johnson

Imagine only 58% of your society in support of criminal investigations after an obvious attempt (firing of Comey) to squash another investigation.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:16:13am

re: #46 JordanRules

I mean, he’s Russian, I get it. But the timing and effusiveness is just like calm down dude.

Right. Then again, Garry Kasaprov is Russian and he hates Putin.

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Birth Control Works  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:16:32am

SOME FEAR THAT VIETNAMESE AMERICANS COULD BE AT GREATER RISK FOR DEPORTATION

As Trump moves to sanction countries that don’t accept deportees, analysts warn that U.S. residents of Vietnamese origin no longer have the same protections.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:16:41am

re: #49 freetoken

Imagine only 58% of your society in support of criminal investigations after an obvious attempt (firing of Comey) to squash another investigation.

That’s where we are as a country. Do we have any historical polls on Watergate from this time?

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KGxvi  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:16:43am

re: #30 HappyWarrior

Honestly, I wish more and more that a better challenger to Clinton had emerged. A you know actual Democrat. Not a selfish old guy who seems to have contempt for our diverse base and bemoans the loss of a demographic group that left us years ago because we embraced said diverse group that makes up our base now. Sorry but being working class doesn’t necessarily mean you’re a good person or share our interests. Do I want to help working class Americans? Sure, but not at the expense of others.

A part of me feels like Clinton fell into a trap that the GOP normally does. There was a perception that it was her turn. Most of the time, that’s who the GOP nominates - Romney, McCain, Dole are the most recent examples - and sometimes they do this thing where they try and clear the field of any other legitimate candidates. That also seemed to happen last year with the Democrats - though, the beatings they took in 2010-2014 didn’t leave a deep field.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:17:19am

re: #51 Birth Control Works

SOME FEAR THAT VIETNAMESE AMERICANS COULD BE AT GREATER RISK FOR DEPORTATION

There’s a Republican leaning group for Donald to alienate!

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:17:27am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:17:32am

re: #43 HappyWarrior

She hasn’t paid any penalty for her open bigotry
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Charles Johnson  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:17:34am
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electrotek  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:17:46am

re: #51 Birth Control Works

SOME FEAR THAT VIETNAMESE AMERICANS COULD BE AT GREATER RISK FOR DEPORTATION

And like Iraqi Chaldeans in Michigan, some Vietnamese-Americans also voted Trump without acknowledging the consequences of their vote.

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JordanRules  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:17:51am

re: #50 HappyWarrior

I wonder if his family is still there though.

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freetoken  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:18:19am

re: #52 HappyWarrior

Do we have any historical polls on Watergate from this time?

Don’t know.

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JordanRules  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:18:25am

re: #56 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Damn shame.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:18:35am

re: #45 TedStriker

Nice catch.

I bit, but I’ve deleted by Tweet.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:19:08am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:19:19am

re: #53 KGxvi

A part of me feels like Clinton fell into a trap that the GOP normally does. There was a perception that it was her turn. Most of the time, that’s who the GOP nominates - Romney, McCain, Dole are the most recent examples - and sometimes they do this thing where they try and clear the field of any other legitimate candidates. That also seemed to happen last year with the Democrats - though, the beatings they took in 2010-2014 didn’t leave a deep field.

I hear ya on that. I wish she had gotten a serious challenger but it really all changed when Biden’s son died. But to be honest, she was really the total favorite in 2008 by the party establishment and Obama beat her. And I really hate that people want to make Sanders, an old white dude from a state 95% white the party’s future. It just flies in the direction of what we stand for as a party. Not to mention, I think Sanders has a lot of flaws that his mostly white liberal fans choose to ignore about him that POC are more aware of.

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JordanRules  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:19:29am

re: #58 electrotek

And so did some black, latinx and lgbtq folks.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:20:00am

re: #59 JordanRules

I wonder if his family is still there though.

Garry or Alex?

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:20:25am
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Birth Control Works  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:20:31am

re: #65 JordanRules

And so did some black, latinx and lgbtq folks.

It’s all about the money

And those that voted for him are getting screwed by this tax proposal.

Will they wake-up now?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:20:34am

re: #60 freetoken

Don’t know.

You’er right though. It is disheartening. I think we’re going to get through this though.

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Belafon  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:20:58am

re: #51 Birth Control Works

SOME FEAR THAT VIETNAMESE AMERICANS COULD BE AT GREATER RISK FOR DEPORTATION

I have some coworkers who are naturalized citizens from Vietnam who voted for Trump. This won’t directly affect them, but they might know someone who will be affected.

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JordanRules  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:21:06am

re: #63 Dave In Austin

Gotta sell the books!!

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darthstar  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:21:52am

I don’t always watch Samantha Bee, but I’m glad I did this time. Good shit.

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JordanRules  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:21:53am

re: #68 Birth Control Works

Yup!

I hope they wake up by next November and realize it’s more important than anything.

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Birth Control Works  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:22:36am

re: #69 HappyWarrior

You’er right though. It is disheartening. I think we’re going to get through this though.

People want another civil war. There is some seriously vomit-producing blood lust out there.

IMHO, it’s an obvious product of overpopulation.

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Citizen K  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:22:38am

re: #11 JordanRules

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If Dems have a platform, but no one reports on it, do they REALLY have a platform?

IOW, we could have the best policies in the world and it won’t matter a fuck of a shit when the media is intent on being TrumpTV 24/7 and ignoring anything that comes from Dem politicians unless it can be spun into some sort of great scandal and Good News For John McCain(tm).

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Ace-o-aces  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:22:46am

re: #34 FormerDirtDart

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:22:48am

re: #68 Birth Control Works

It’s all about the money

And those that voted for him are getting screwed by this tax proposal.

Will they wake-up now?

I disagree. It’s not always about money. Trump saw prejudices that ran in our society and exploited that. Thus he convinced many working class Americans, people whom he has exploited for his numerous business ventures that he and not Clinton, a long time public servant who has worked for the betterment of every America was their enemy.

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JordanRules  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:23:01am

re: #66 HappyWarrior

Alex.

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lawhawk  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:23:05am

re: #60 freetoken

Gallup has polling, including that during Nixon’s 2d term, his polling cratered to an average of 34%. He had been at 55% during the first term.

Nixon was at 67% in January 1973. He ended at 24% in July and August 1974.

Trump’s already at the Nixonian 2d term average, and Mueller’s still just warming up (after going 3 indictments, 1 guilty plea - among Trump campaign managers and key foreign policy adviser).

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KGxvi  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:23:09am

re: #64 HappyWarrior

I hear ya on that. I wish she had gotten a serious challenger but it really all changed when Biden’s son died. But to be honest, she was really the total favorite in 2008 by the party establishment and Obama beat her. And I really hate that people want to make Sanders, an old white dude from a state 95% white the party’s future. It just flies in the direction of what we stand for as a party. Not to mention, I think Sanders has a lot of flaws that his mostly white liberal fans choose to ignore about him that POC are more aware of.

I remain of the opinion that while she would have made a good president, she was not a good candidate. I’m not entirely convinced that she would have beat Rudy in 2000, as that was a fairly close race. I’m also fairly certain that had another viable candidate been available last year, that Clinton would not have been the nominee.

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darthstar  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:23:30am

re: #56 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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She hasn’t paid any penalty for her open bigotry

I do like the thought of her being forced to wave for a Taxi or take the subway now. Kudos to Uber and Lyft for dropping her account (though she’ll probably get a second phone line and re-enroll).

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:23:34am

re: #74 Birth Control Works

People want another civil war. There is some seriously vomit-producing blood lust out there.

IMHO, it’s an obvious product of overpopulation.

Yet the people who go for Trump and Trumpism the most are people in the most sparsely populated places. Densely populated areas are Dem strongholds.

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ObserverArt  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:23:49am

re: #68 Birth Control Works

It’s all about the money

And those that voted for him are getting screwed by this tax proposal.

Will they wake-up now?

No. They will keep sleeping knowing that Trump is pissing off liberals. They dream of that constantly and seem to be perfectly happy getting screwed over to achieve their dream.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:24:35am

re: #78 JordanRules

Alex.

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Ah okay. You could be right. He’s also a lot younger too. Garry would remember the USSR. Alex being my age, it would have only been a brief memory and his childhood would been the Yelstin years, a tumultuous time for the newly formed Russia Foundation.

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Birth Control Works  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:25:13am

Did anyone watch Comrade Detective?

If you haven’t, do so now.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:25:44am

re: #80 KGxvi

I remain of the opinion that while she would have made a good president, she was not a good candidate. I’m not entirely convinced that she would have beat Rudy in 2000, as that was a fairly close race. I’m also fairly certain that had another viable candidate been available last year, that Clinton would not have been the nominee.

Yeah I think Biden beats her if he runs. She did have flaws as a candidate. I don’t disagree with that at all. I do think Sanders’ diehards do overlook the flaws he had and focus on hypothetical polls done before opps research hitting airwaves.

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JordanRules  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:26:56am

re: #75 Citizen K

This is always my mantra because too many on the left reflexively buy into the Dems doing shit wrong narrative while also believing how fucked up the media and the system are without connecting the two. Drives me crazy!

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Kragar  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:27:45am

re: #85 Birth Control Works

Did anyone watch Comrade Detective?

If you haven’t, do so now.

That was some funny stuff

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KGxvi  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:27:45am

re: #86 HappyWarrior

Yeah I think Biden beats her if he runs. She did have flaws as a candidate. I don’t disagree with that at all. I do think Sanders’ diehards do overlook the flaws he had and focus on hypothetical polls done before opps research hitting airwaves.

I think the idea of Trump and Sanders on stage for a debate would have resulted in about 78% of the population going, “whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on… these are our choices?” And then there would have been many, many, many internet searches about moving to other countries.

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Weaselone  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:28:18am

re: #74 Birth Control Works

IMHO, it’s an obvious product of overpopulation.

Oh? So why is the bloodlust coming from people located in less densely populated rural areas and not densely packed urban cores?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:28:24am

re: #85 Birth Control Works

Did anyone watch Comrade Detective?

If you haven’t, do so now.

I found it funny for the first 15 minutes, but the snarky voice-over wore thin on me after that…

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:28:38am

“Gee I sure wish I could file my taxes on a single sheet of paper/postcard” SAID NO TAXPAYER EVER

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:30:08am

re: #87 JordanRules

This is always my mantra because too many on the left reflexively buy into the Dems doing shit wrong narrative while also believing how fucked up the media and the system are without connecting the two. Drives me crazy!

It doesn’t help when the comedians who I do like re-enforce it. Same thing with the whole “Dems have moved to the right thing” that the far left loves to push. Last year’s Dem platform was the most progressive in years. Barney Frank, John Lewis, and others were among the platform committee. I’m a white guy but man I’m tired of a lot of the white guy lefties dismissing PoC. I don’t think liberalism or socialism inherently are patronizing ideologies but some liberals and socialists can definitely be patronizing and I think Senator Sanders is one of the biggest ones I’ve seen do that. White lefties don’t see it because they’re not the subject of it and if you’re not good at empathizing, it’s hard ot see it.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:30:13am

re: #92 The Vicious Babushka

“Gee I sure wish I could file my taxes on a single sheet of paper/postcard” SAID NO TAXPAYER EVER

Already do that. What the hell is it with these people who keep yipping about how long and complicated the tax filing process is for most workers?

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freetoken  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:30:17am

re: #92 The Vicious Babushka

Given that many people do all their filing electronically now, why worry about the number of sheets of paper?

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Ace-o-aces  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:30:25am

re: #92 The Vicious Babushka

“Gee I sure wish I could file my taxes on a single sheet of paper/postcard” SAID NO TAXPAYER EVER

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You already can if you take no deductions.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:30:33am

re: #95 freetoken

Given that many people do all their filing electronically now, why worry about the number of sheets of paper?

Because shut up.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:30:45am

re: #89 KGxvi

I think the idea of Trump and Sanders on stage for a debate would have resulted in about 78% of the population going, “whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on… these are our choices?” And then there would have been many, many, many internet searches about moving to other countries.

Two old geezers going at it.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:31:17am

re: #96 Ace-o-aces

You already can if you take no deductions.

And if you do take deductions there’s like one other form with a couple of boxes on it. Not hard.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:31:26am

re: #95 freetoken

Given that many people do all their filing electronically now, why worry about the number of sheets of paper?

It’s a bullshit talking point.

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KGxvi  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:31:32am

re: #98 HappyWarrior

Two old crazy geezers going at it.

Fixed for accuracy

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:31:56am

re: #1 Kragar

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And it’s harder to kidnap fat people.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:32:15am

re: #85 Birth Control Works

Did anyone watch Comrade Detective?

If you haven’t, do so now.

I turned on some of my students to that; they loved it.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:32:27am

re: #96 Ace-o-aces

You already can if you take no deductions.

Removing all deductions raises the dollars needed to reduce taxes on capital gains. The rich get richer, and the middle class gets screwed, so from the Trump perspective everyone wins.

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JordanRules  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:32:35am

Love against all the odds!

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ObserverArt  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:32:59am

Okay all you Clinton Flaws analysts, let’s hear some of them.

I bet we get into some cliches that have been foisted onto the Clintons by the GOP and their media.

And no, I am not saying Hillary Clinton was perfect because perfect doesn’t happen in this world and surely not in politics.

I just would like to know how well the 25 years of bashing her worked on her own party and independent voters. Fact versus fiction; because there has been a lot of fiction.

And while at it. Let’s consider some of Joe Biden’s too. To be fair. And Sanders.

I think some are out there thinking ideally. You know that kills Democrats just about every time.

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Kragar  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:33:10am
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ObserverArt  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:34:38am

re: #95 freetoken

Given that many people do all their filing electronically now, why worry about the number of sheets of paper?

You are not being one with Dear Leader Trump. One sheet of paper makes everything better because it is simple.

Sign here.

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petesh  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:34:56am

re: #79 lawhawk

Gallup has polling, including that during Nixon’s 2d term, his polling cratered to an average of 34%. He had been at 55% during the first term.

Nixon was at 67% in January 1973. He ended at 24% in July and August 1974.

Trump’s already at the Nixonian 2d term average, and Mueller’s still just warming up (after going 3 indictments, 1 guilty plea - among Trump campaign managers and key foreign policy adviser).

Note also that the 1972 equivalent of Lizards knew a lot about Watergate, not to mention dirty tricks, well before the election (it was in the Washington Post, you know [g]) and Nixon still got re-elected by a huge margin. IIRC, it took almost another year before his support cratered.

I actually rather approve of a certain inertia, but Trump is heading out. Dont hold your breath, but definitely don’t lose hope. He doomed.

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lawhawk  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:34:59am

So, the GOP sprung their latest tax scheme on an unsuspecting nation hoping people wouldn’t notice the massive redistribution of wealth and shifting of burdens the GOP intends.

The GOP intend to drop the passthrough rate to 25%, excluding professional services firms (law firm, medical practices, CPAs, etc.)

Corp tax rate would drop to 20% from 35% (though the effective tax rate is already an average of ~19%).

Personal income tax rates: new brackets of 12 ($24k to 90k), 25 (90k to 260k), 35% (260k to $1m) and 39.6 (over $1m).

Standard deduction would double from current levels.

State and local tax deduction is eliminated
Interest deduction limited.

Again, the middle class has to play with math to see if they come out even, ahead, or screwed. With the limitations on medical expenses, student loan interest, mortgage interest, and state and local taxes, many in the middle class will see higher taxes. Especially hard hit are middle class in places like NY, NJ, CT, MA, and CA (now why would we see that … hmmmmm).

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:35:55am

re: #101 KGxvi

Fixed for accuracy

You know, it’s frustrating. I actually was a Sanders admirer once upon a time but I learned more about how despite Obama being the fourth President he’s been in Congress under, he had very little accomplished. This wasn’t Joe Biden circa 2008 who had a lot of accomplishments as a legislator. But what really disappointed me the more I saw with Bernie was his tone. I mean, yes I do think affordable education for all should be a worthwhile goal and I’m in 100% agreement with him on that but at the same time, I felt left out of his plan, because as someone with a learning disability, I benefited from programs in college that allowed me to type my exams up when I could. I also think Sanders was very insensitive to PoC especially women. Do you recall him telling a young Hispanic woman that she shouldn’t aspire to be one of the first Latina Senators. He said something like “No, no, the message matters more.” And I understand a little of that but I’m sure you know coming from an immigrant family yourself how much that accomplishment means especially given the experiences of discrimination these groups face.

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JordanRules  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:36:01am

Oh man, I’d forgotten about this weirdo today.

Please go see Chris Hayes afterwards Carter!

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retired cynic  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:37:32am

Jerome Powell is said to be the (white Republican male) version of Janet Yellen, EXCEPT that he is a lawyer, not an economist. Perfect.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:37:37am

Wow…
You know, I was ready to give the benefit of the doubt, that maybe, just maybe the computer/software just had trouble with the name.
But, I’m really not seeing how the system got that from “Nicarri”

Key & Peele - Substitute Teacher

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Renaissance_Man  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:37:43am

re: #94 Sir John Barron

Already do that. What the hell is it with these people who keep yipping about how long and complicated the tax filing process is for most workers?

It panders to the lowest common denominator base, the ones for whom any higher thinking is hard. It glorifies them by telling them their ignorance should be all anyone should ever need. The US media plays along because glorifying mediocre white people is their main goal.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:38:01am

re: #106 ObserverArt

Okay all you Clinton Flaws analysts, let’s hear some of them.

I bet we get into some cliches that have been foisted onto the Clintons by the GOP and their media.

And no, I am not saying Hillary Clinton was perfect because perfect doesn’t happen in this world and surely not in politics.

I just would like to know how well the 25 years of bashing her worked on her own party and independent voters. Fact versus fiction; because there has been a lot of fiction.

And while at it. Let’s consider some of Joe Biden’s too. To be fair. And Sanders.

I think some are out there thinking ideally. You know that kills Democrats just about every time.

Well in my view, a lot of her flaws weren’t really her fault. And yes Sanders and Biden, who would have been my choice had he ran had flaws too. Every candidate has flaws and strengths. What Clinton had and this is why I happily supported her is that she was ready for the job. She knew exactly what she wanted to do and would have an excellent team advising her. If she had a flaw, I’d say, it was that she was too known an quantity which really isn’t her fault.

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ericblair  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:38:06am

re: #94 Sir John Barron

Already do that. What the hell is it with these people who keep yipping about how long and complicated the tax filing process is for most workers?

Western European countries have lot less complicated and lot shorter income tax forms than the US does. You end up paying a shitload more income tax.

And, of course, the US income tax is so damn complicated because of all the pet tax deductions, which, as the goopers are about to rediscover, have very vocal constituencies.

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Interesting Times  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:38:23am

I think the linked article was posted here before, but in line with the OP “stop comparing other crap favorably to trump just because it doesn’t stick as blatantly”, this is what I keep saying:

Facebook Post

For those who can’t see Facebook embeds, here’s the money quote:

The problem with Democrats polishing the Bush presidency turd is twofold: First, it allows Republicans to skate on what should be a gigantic political liability. Instead of tying Bush’s failed presidency around the neck of every Republican in the land, Democrats are instead boosting his popularity. No doubt in large part due to elite signaling like Schumer’s, Democrats now approve of Bush by a 51-42 margin.

Second, it badly misleads people as to the nature of the political fix America is in. Trump is not some aberration in an otherwise-normal political party. He is merely every despicable Republican impulse cranked up to 11 — only this time, he’s so incompetent that he hasn’t managed to actually achieve much. So let us stop pretending otherwise.

Read the whole thing for a deeply unpleasant but necessary trip down memory lane (before it gets memory-holed!)

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Renaissance_Man  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:41:03am

re: #106 ObserverArt

I just would like to know how well the 25 years of bashing her worked on her own party and independent voters. Fact versus fiction; because there has been a lot of fiction.

It worked brilliantly. I still can’t believe that this highly qualified woman who spent an entire lifetime in service to the common good was so successfully demonised all over the world. Even the most normal, anti-Trump, non-Berniebro people I know still have this visceral hatred of Hillary Clinton.

Fuck you, vast right-wing conspiracy. And fuck you, NYT, CNN and the rest of you, for being part of it.

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lawhawk  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:42:21am

re: #95 freetoken

The size of the tax return is already short for most Americans - the 1040EZ.

It gets longer for those looking to do itemized deductions or special situations.

The tax brackets have precisely dick to do with the size of the tax return.

A tax return would be even easier to fill out if the IRS prepopulates the returns for the taxpayer (they already have the data from banks, financial companies, employers, etc. and that’s how they confirm that the information submitted is accurate).

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Dave In Austin  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:42:58am
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Ace-o-aces  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:43:30am
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gwangung  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:43:33am

re: #114 FormerDirtDart

Wow…
You know, I was ready to give the benefit of the doubt, that maybe, just maybe the computer/software just had trouble with the name.
But, I’m really not seeing how the system got that from “Nicarri”

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No doubt, conservatives will sniff that the parent was “just being too sensitive.”

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JordanRules  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:43:33am

re: #118 Interesting Times

Yep. I’d read this and it hits on some serious truth.

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EPR-radar  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:43:33am

re: #106 ObserverArt

Okay all you Clinton Flaws analysts, let’s hear some of them.

I bet we get into some cliches that have been foisted onto the Clintons by the GOP and their media.

And no, I am not saying Hillary Clinton was perfect because perfect doesn’t happen in this world and surely not in politics.

I just would like to know how well the 25 years of bashing her worked on her own party and independent voters. Fact versus fiction; because there has been a lot of fiction.

And while at it. Let’s consider some of Joe Biden’s too. To be fair. And Sanders.

I think some are out there thinking ideally. You know that kills Democrats just about every time.

Excellent question. It really was disheartening to see how effectively the GOP Thirty Years War vs. Hillary Clinton ended up working among non-RWNJs.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:44:07am
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Birth Control Works  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:44:55am

re: #88 Kragar

That was some funny stuff

I’ll never look at a Monopoly Game the same way again!

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Charmingly Persistent (EmmaAnne)  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:45:30am

re: #106 ObserverArt

Okay all you Clinton Flaws analysts, let’s hear some of them.

And while at it. Let’s consider some of Joe Biden’s too. To be fair. And Sanders.

I think some are out there thinking ideally. You know that kills Democrats just about every time.

Thank you! I am soooo tired of the constant bagging on Hillary (and really every other Dem nominee and office holder, though HIllary gets an extra special dose) by our own side. Biden, for example, ran for president twice and couldn’t make it through the primaries, but somehow he would have saved us. No. There aren’t any perfect candidates, so you support the best one instead of picking them to death.

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Birth Control Works  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:45:47am

re: #90 Weaselone

Oh? So why is the bloodlust coming from people located in less densely populated rural areas and not densely packed urban cores?

I don’t know. You’d have to ask the anthropologists and sociologists.

Social Media probably has something to do with it.

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Birth Control Works  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:46:17am

re: #92 The Vicious Babushka

“Gee I sure wish I could file my taxes on a single sheet of paper/postcard” SAID NO TAXPAYER EVER

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because we are all so ignorant it’s all most of us can manage?

WTF?

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petesh  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:46:28am

re: #119 Renaissance_Man

It worked brilliantly. I still can’t believe that this highly qualified woman who spent an entire lifetime in service to the common good was so successfully demonised all over the world. Even the most normal, anti-Trump, non-Berniebro people I know still have this visceral hatred of Hillary Clinton.

Fuck you, vast right-wing conspiracy. And fuck you, NYT, CNN and the rest of you, for being part of it.

The term “vast right-wing conspiracy” goes back to the mid-90s (per wiki) and Hillary used it — appropriately and entirely correctly — in 1998. The Citizens United lawsuit arose out of a documentary aimed at Hillary. (Some of her leftist opponents apparently did not know that last year.) She isn’t my hero, but she’s better than Bill and would have made an excellent President.

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JordanRules  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:46:41am

re: #128 Charmingly Persistent (EmmaAnne)

Yesss!!!!

Also didn’t she get like the most votes ever besides Obama?

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Belafon  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:47:03am

re: #106 ObserverArt

I’m tired of Democrats beginning sentences with “She has her flaws, but…”. I understand they’re trying to sound reasonable, but everyone has flaws. If you think a flaw should have kept her from the presidency, then list it. Otherwise, stop using that phrase.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:47:07am

re: #125 EPR-radar

Excellent question. It really was disheartening to see how effectively the GOP Thirty Years War vs. Hillary Clinton ended up working among non-RWNJs.

I’m sad to say but it worked on me initially too but not to pat myself too hard, but i learned about HRC and her accomplishments in her 40+ years of public life and I found an incredible woman who has worked on an array of issues and accomplished a great deal. In short, I saw why my grandmother was so strongly in her camp in 2008 despite the fact that Grandma disagreed with Hillary’s vote on the Iraq War Resolution. And I have our own Klys to thank for not merely seeing Hillary as an extension of Bill but her own unique individual. In short, learning more about HRC made me a more open minded man.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:47:13am
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jaunte  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:47:18am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:49:01am

re: #135 FormerDirtDart

He’d be 127 years old!

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lawhawk  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:49:05am

re: #122 Ace-o-aces

Pizza Hut (or Uno’s) isn’t pizza either. They’re savory torts.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:49:08am

re: #135 FormerDirtDart

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128 and with Parkinsons. Impressive Der Fuhrer!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:49:43am

re: #137 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

He’d be 127 years old!

I think this was him the last time I saw him.

Man Seeking Woman - Josh Meets Hitler

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Birth Control Works  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:49:53am

re: #119 Renaissance_Man

It worked brilliantly. I still can’t believe that this highly qualified woman who spent an entire lifetime in service to the common good was so successfully demonised all over the world. Even the most normal, anti-Trump, non-Berniebro people I know still have this visceral hatred of Hillary Clinton.

Fuck you, vast right-wing conspiracy. And fuck you, NYT, CNN and the rest of you, for being part of it.

History will prove her the victor.

I think we will find that she has done more for American and Women during her long career than most of the politicians we talk about today put together.

She’ll have a statue next to Martin Luther King in the Rotunda.

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lawhawk  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:50:31am

re: #136 jaunte

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:50:38am

re: #138 lawhawk

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Maybe in New York, but the Papa Johns, John’s favorite is good where I am. It’s John that’s the problem.

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JordanRules  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:51:06am

re: #133 Belafon

It’s like when folks trot out respectability politics disclaimers. “I believe in personal responsibility but”

Like who the hell doesn’t? Who doesn’t have flaws?

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Birth Control Works  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:51:30am

re: #133 Belafon

I’m tired of Democrats beginning sentences with “She has her flaws, but…”. I understand they’re trying to sound reasonable, but everyone has flaws. If you think a flaw should have kept her from the presidency, then list it. Otherwise, stop using that phrase.

It’s so much more acceptable than saying “she is a woman”.

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jaunte  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:52:16am

BUT HE’S A MARKETING GENIUS!

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:52:24am
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Birth Control Works  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:52:47am

re: #138 lawhawk

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Pizza Hut (or Uno’s) isn’t pizza either. They’re savory torts.

Papa John’s is for when you are stuck in a hotel room in a small town far outside a major metropolitan area.

AT least you will know what you are getting.

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Birth Control Works  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:53:35am

I hear bookings are down at Trump Chicago.

:)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:53:37am

re: #133 Belafon

I’m tired of Democrats beginning sentences with “She has her flaws, but…”. I understand they’re trying to sound reasonable, but everyone has flaws. If you think a flaw should have kept her from the presidency, then list it. Otherwise, stop using that phrase.

She also had a long record of public service. Her opponent had none. And his record of self-service was patchy and incomplete…

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lawhawk  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:53:47am

re: #146 jaunte

Marketing genius…

Adding Trump to everything (and it’s not even his real name… Drumpf).

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:53:58am

re: #144 JordanRules

It’s like when folks trot out respectability politics disclaimers. “I believe in personal responsibility but”

Like who the hell doesn’t? Who doesn’t have flaws?

That is true. Sorry if I rub y’all the wrong way when I’ve done it discussing her. Yes, every candidate has flaws. No doubt at all about that and I do think that’s what drives me crazy about her bigger detractors, they ignore that the others had problems too. I will say this though, of all the Dems that ran she was absolutely the best prepared for the job and by far would have made the best President of them and it’s not even close. Sanders would be having judicial challenges left and right to the EOs he’d be forced to do because a Republican Congress would never work with him on anything. Hillary and this is what infuriates me the most about how Republicans treat her, they acknowledge that she’s excellent at what she does. I think it was Kaine that mentioned that behind closed doors many Republicans spoke highly of her as a Senator and SoS.

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lawhawk  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:54:18am

re: #148 Birth Control Works

Starving until breakfast? / :)

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jaunte  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:54:23am

re: #151 lawhawk

At some point a brand, to survive, has to deliver results.

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JordanRules  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:54:43am

re: #148 Birth Control Works

Good way to put it!

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mmmirele  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:55:03am

re: #7 JordanRules

Thanks for this, I posted it to my Trump-kissing congressman’s Facebook page.

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Birth Control Works  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:57:48am
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whitebeach  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:58:51am

re: #74 Birth Control Works

People want another civil war. There is some seriously vomit-producing blood lust out there.

IMHO, it’s an obvious product of overpopulation.

I think the country had a population of something like 30 million at the time of the first Civil War, so I don’t see overpop as being much of a factor.

What the two eras do have in common is one side that is increasingly, until terminally, immune to reason, logic, and facts. The leaders of the South were much like this in 1860 and 1861. Their states started seceding before Lincoln even took office, and no kind of bullshit was too much for them to swallow and even savor. And this continued. Right up until the roof finally fell on their heads, many southerners, like Hitler in his bunker, still believed that they would win through some miraculous victory. My neighbors today are exactly the same. It’s not even worth it to present them with facts or reasonable arguments. They simply don’t, and can’t, hear them.

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jaunte  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:59:16am
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Sir John Barron  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:00:36pm

re: #147 FormerDirtDart

How do you feel about the way Mueller is handling this investigation?
58% approve
28% disapprove
14% no opinion
— Jim Sciutto

Not sure how someone could logically disapprove of how Mueller is handling the investigation since (to the best of my knowledge) he hasn’t uttered a word since his appointment. I’ll assume the 28% reflects the group who thinks Hillary should be arrested for existing.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:01:48pm

re: #159 jaunte

$1,182. That’s nearly 565 cups of Dunkin’ Donuts coffee. #1182more

— GOP

I realize it’s Thursday, but this is about the lamest shit that can be tweeted anywhere.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:02:07pm

re: #159 jaunte

$1,182. That’s nearly 565 cups of Dunkin’ Donuts coffee. #1182more

— GOP

Delete your account.

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Birth Control Works  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:02:28pm

another interesting database provided by Our Government:
National Electronic Injury Surveillance System (NEISS)

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jaunte  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:02:40pm

re: #161 Sir John Barron

Such a deal!

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Sir John Barron  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:02:47pm

re: #159 jaunte

$1,182. That’s nearly 565 cups of Dunkin’ Donuts coffee. #1182more

— GOP

565 more cups of coffee but no healthcare coverage. America, 2017.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:03:25pm

re: #160 Sir John Barron

Not sure how someone could logically disapprove of how Mueller is handling the investigation since (to the best of my knowledge) he hasn’t uttered a word since his appointment. I’ll assume the 28% reflects the group who thinks Hillary should be arrested for existing.

It’s the crazification factor at work. Yes, the crazies will think Clinton should be arrested for imaginary crimes. Fake news has been telling them so for years.

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jaunte  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:03:37pm

$1,182. That’s less than the average 1%er spends every month detailing one of their fleet of cars.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:03:41pm

re: #160 Sir John Barron

Not sure how someone could logically disapprove of how Mueller is handling the investigation since (to the best of my knowledge) he hasn’t uttered a word since his appointment. I’ll assume the 28% reflects the group who thinks Hillary should be arrested for existing.

FOX told some of them the probe was a sham, they repeated/retweeted it.
Then, the President and his sons retweeted it

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:03:55pm

You also have this narrative build around HRC that she’s not a pleasant person or caring and that’s just not true.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:05:54pm

re: #169 HappyWarrior

You also have this narrative build around HRC that she’s not a pleasant person or caring and that’s just not true.

and that she is arrogant, scheming, backstabbing and power-hungry…and, of course, a tricksy, sneaksy criminal…

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whitebeach  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:06:34pm

re: #52 HappyWarrior

That’s where we are as a country. Do we have any historical polls on Watergate from this time?

It’s kinda hard to compare that rotten apple with this rotten orange, mainly because Watergate had a very clear starting “point in time” (god, that phrase was inescapable back then), namely the break-in, whereas Kremlingate just sort of oozed up through the floorboards over months. Given all that, I think we’re at something like the “third-rate burglary” stage of the current mess, a denial of the importance of the events and players, a la “coffee boy.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:07:06pm

re: #167 jaunte

$1,182. That’s less than the average 1%er spends every month detailing one of their fleet of cars.

Probably about what they pay one member of their domestic staff in a month for 60 hours of work per week

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:08:17pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:08:37pm

re: #170 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and that she is arrogant, scheming, backstabbing and power-hungry…and, of course, a tricksy, sneaksy criminal…

Yeah that too. And the whole “she’s ambitious” as if that’s terrible, sexist crap that never would be said about a male candidate. I like her and I really have little respect for Sanders If any at all.

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Kragar  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:08:39pm
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JordanRules  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:09:10pm

re: #152 HappyWarrior

Oh no, it’s all good. I think you’ve been really thoughtful in your responses and sometimes that just includes framing that was already there so it’s easy to respond within that framework.

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jaunte  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:10:22pm

re: #175 Kragar

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:10:53pm

re: #175 Kragar

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:11:23pm

re: #176 JordanRules

Oh no, it’s all good. I think you’ve been really thoughtful in your responses and sometimes that just includes framing that was already there so it’s easy to respond within that framework.

The biggest thing I think people should have done was to read more about her instead of buying the self reinforcing crap that left I.e young Turks or right spread about her.

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Birth Control Works  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:11:33pm

In the dictionary next to “weasel,” there is a picture of Jeff Sessions.

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makeitstop  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:11:59pm

re: #160 Sir John Barron

Not sure how someone could logically disapprove of how Mueller is handling the investigation since (to the best of my knowledge) he hasn’t uttered a word since his appointment. I’ll assume the 28% reflects the group who thinks Hillary should be arrested for existing.

Crazification factor, plus 1.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:12:08pm

re: #178 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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Elves can’t drink until they’re 123.

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Birth Control Works  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:12:17pm

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:13:21pm

re: #180 Birth Control Works

In the dictionary next to “weasel,” there is a picture of Jeff Sessions.

To be fair, that’s most people in this clown show.

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sagehen  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:13:39pm

re: #132 JordanRules

Yesss!!!!

Also didn’t she get like the most votes ever besides Obama?

More votes than any white man ever.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:13:46pm

Oh yeah.

Do not attempt to watch A Dog’s Purpose if you suffer from “allergies”
You will more than likely suffer an “allergic reaction”

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BeachDem  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:14:01pm

re: #92 The Vicious Babushka

“Gee I sure wish I could file my taxes on a single sheet of paper/postcard” SAID NO TAXPAYER EVER

The only one who ever said it was probably the yam himself (a single page of anything is the extent of his attention span)

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Birth Control Works  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:14:28pm

In the USA a woman has to be the Virgin Mary to qualify for personhood.

I’m sick to hell of it.

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Birth Control Works  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:15:24pm

Trump couldn’t even complete a one page tax form if it were possible for him.

do you think he writes anything but his signature?

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jaunte  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:15:56pm
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jaunte  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:16:22pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:18:25pm

When my brothers would rag on HRC, it was always something someone else had said or a “vibe.” When I say HRC had flaws, whst I primarily mean is she more than Sanders had people with a preconceived notion of who she was whereas Sanders became a blank canvas, more pro choice than HRC despite belittling PP as establishment for example. In short, Sanders despite his less than inclusive nature compared with Obama and HRC became something he isn’t. And I think it’s something that many of his white supporters have missed about him because they just see the economic lefty in him and ignore his lack of interest in the social issues.

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Shropshire Slasher  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:19:23pm
Heather DeLoach buzzed into people’s hearts when she appeared as a bespectacled tap-dancing child in a bee costume for Blind Melon’s “No Rain” music video. That was back in 1992 and the former child star is all grown up — and in love.

People magazine reported Wednesday that the 34-year-old, who represents a fertility doctor in Orange County, Calif., married financial adviser Matthew Greiner at the US Grant Hotel in San Diego.

pagesix.com

Blind Melon - No Rain

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:19:33pm

re: #185 sagehen

More votes than any white man ever.

Yeah but people hate her and love Trump which is why she beat them both in the popular vote.

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JordanRules  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:19:48pm
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JordanRules  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:20:48pm
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Sir John Barron  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:21:43pm

re: #190 jaunte

The new MSA: Pay for your own damn healthcare with your own damn money and don’t ask us for no tax incentive. MAGA.

///

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bratwurst  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:22:24pm

Friends, we have been swimming in a sea of dumbass takes since Trump rode down the golden escalator…but the idea that a swift death penalty for the New York truck terrorist will serve as a deterrent to others may well be the dumbest yet.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:22:53pm

re: #195 JordanRules

Great, feel old.

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makeitstop  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:23:16pm

re: #195 JordanRules

Billy Joel released his single ‘Piano Man’ 44 years ago today, November 2, 1973

…and if I never hear it again for the rest of my life, it’ll be too soon.

I live in Billy Joel country. They still play him all day long.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:23:52pm

Affordable college for all. I’m there. I’ve lived that but what about making access to college for more too. Our campuses do not reflect our population as a whole. Higher wages? Again I’m there but raising the minimum wage isn’t going to fix everything either. I really sincerely despite my frustration with him do feel Sanders wants to help Americans but he’s too busy looking at this through a class lense when there’s so much more at play.

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Birth Control Works  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:24:30pm

re: #195 JordanRules

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damn, I”m old.

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JordanRules  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:27:58pm
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jaunte  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:28:13pm

re: #200 makeitstop

For some reason my office started getting copies of Billboard magazine delivered, and every issue so far has featured a giant ad thanking Billy Joel for filling Madison Square Garden every night for the last forever.

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majii  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:28:52pm

re: #149 Birth Control Works
I hear bookings are down at Trump Chicago.

:)

I’m wondering if this is why the Trumps are trying to steer heads of foreign nations who come to meet with the Yam to stay at his D.C. hotel. I read yesterday that some foreign leaders are complaining about this, and they should.

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JordanRules  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:29:49pm

re: #200 makeitstop

Oh geez, I can imagine. He’s part of the ear worm collective everywhere but on home turf I bet it’s more like mind snaking.

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Birth Control Works  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:29:58pm

re: #193 Shropshire Slasher

pagesix.com

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Video

She’s grown up to be quite beautiful!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:30:17pm

re: #203 JordanRules

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Haha I read that in Kate McKinnon’s impression of him.

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JordanRules  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:30:48pm

re: #208 HappyWarrior

Me too! LOL

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Birth Control Works  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:31:00pm

re: #205 majii

I hear bookings are down at Trump Chicago.

:)

I’m wondering if this is why the Trumps are trying to steer heads of foreign nations who come to meet with the Yam to stay at his D.C. hotel. I read yesterday that some foreign leaders are complaining about this, and they should.

because, Chicago.

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makeitstop  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:31:11pm

re: #204 jaunte

For some reason my office started getting copies of Billboard magazine delivered, and every issue so far has featured a giant ad thanking Billy Joel for filling Madison Square Garden every night for the last forever.

Yeah, that whole ‘residency’ thing was weird. But he put some money in Jim Dolan’s pocket, so it’s all good.

Fun fact: A casual friend from the club circuit out here who had a BJ tribute band actually got hired by Billy to be his ‘stunt singer’ - hitting all the notes that Billy can’t hit any more.

‘Stunt singers’ are apparently a thing - I met a young Brit a couple of years ago who does the same thing for Ian Anderson of Jethro Tull.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:32:54pm

re: #209 JordanRules

Me too! LOL

I love her. She’s this generation of SNL’s Phil Hartman.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:33:39pm

You don’t have any legs Kellyanne.

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:34:17pm

re: #17 retired cynic

Everyone could see it coming, but dadgummit. DT did not renominate Janet Yellen.

She has Obama cooties./

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JordanRules  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:34:31pm

Not only too late, but…we don’t believe you, you need more people!!! (h/t Jay Z)

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Birth Control Works  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:35:44pm
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FormerDirtDart  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:38:28pm

“… “The March 31 comments by this Papadopoulos person did not leave a lasting impression,” said the person familiar with Sessions’ views. “As far as Sessions seemed to be concerned, when he shut down this idea of Papadopoulos engaging with Russia, that was the end of it and he moved the meeting along to other issues.”

The source added, “Papadopoulos was some 29-year old that nobody had ever heard of and who struck people in the room as someone who didn’t have a lot of credibility.”

The source said Sessions was not aware that Papadopoulos had been offered “dirt” on Clinton or emails. …”

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jaunte  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:38:51pm
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makeitstop  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:40:56pm

re: #217 FormerDirtDart

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That’s some tight little corner he’s wedging himself into.

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JordanRules  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:43:22pm

The judges.
The judges are bad and burrowed in. This part of the struggle they’ve already partially won. I don’t know how we stop it for the next year or so.

Scary.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:43:23pm

re: #219 makeitstop

That’s some tight little corner he’s wedging himself into.

I’m taking it as the source remembering the event, and Sessions rejecting the idea.
And, the source not sure Sessions would remember.
Not Sessions

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:43:29pm

What’s a little perjury between friends. I’m just an old country lawyer. //

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Kragar  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:44:19pm
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majii  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:44:48pm

re: #217 FormerDirtDart

“The source said Sessions was not aware that Papadopoulos had been offered “dirt” on Clinton or emails. …”“

I’ve been monitoring Sessions’ political career since he first became involved in politics in Alabama, and two things have always been true about Sessions: He has never shied away from telling lies to further his political career, and he uses Christianity and his non-existent Southern valor to do it. He and Roy Moore are two peas in a pod.

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Kragar  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:49:25pm
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JordanRules  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:49:45pm

re: #223 Kragar

Nahh Donna. I think I’ll go buy some new voter registration sneakers instead.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:50:26pm

re: #220 JordanRules

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The judges.
The judges are bad and burrowed in. This part of the struggle they’ve already partially won. I don’t know how we stop it for the next year or so.

Scary.

But Hillary expected to have a say with DNC happenings after raising $50m for them!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:53:53pm

Fortunately I think A lot of people who once admired Sanders are seeing him differently. One of my old DU friends is furious at how he’s done nothing for the ticket here in Va, not even an endorsement. Bernie’s endorsement doesn’t mean much to me but it does to college kids.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:54:19pm

re: #225 Kragar

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That’s because that’s what it is.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:55:16pm

Sanders had already lost early on in the primary but he kept on pushing away.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:55:16pm

re: #224 majii

“The source said Sessions was not aware that Papadopoulos had been offered “dirt” on Clinton or emails. …”“

I’ve been monitoring Sessions’ political career since he first became involved in politics in Alabama, and two things have always been true about Sessions: He has never shied away from telling lies to further his political career, and he uses Christianity and his non-existent Southern valor to do it. He and Roy Moore are two peas in a pod.

I’m not saying Sessions didn’t lie.
Everybody seems to have jumped to the conclusion that Sessions has somehow stated that he doesn’t remember the event, but he rejected the idea. And, that’s not what the source has stated, at all
The Source says Sessions was there, and rejected idea.
The Source is saying he, the source, is not sure if Sessions does or would remember the event.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:55:20pm

re: #89 KGxvi

I think the idea of Trump and Sanders on stage for a debate would have resulted in about 78% of the population going, “whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on… these are our choices?” And then there would have been many, many, many internet searches about moving to other countries.

Giant Douche vs Shit Sandwich

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Big Beautiful Door  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:56:52pm

re: #151 lawhawk

Marketing genius…

Adding Trump to everything (and it’s not even his real name… Drumpf).

The Cut Cut Cut Act! I’m really surprised he didn’t want to name it the Trump Act, actually.

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Eventual Carrion  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:56:57pm

re: #96 Ace-o-aces

You already can if you take no deductions.

Take deductions away (from the little people), and there you are.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:57:21pm

re: #232 Eventual Carrion

Giant Douche vs Shit Sandwich

I think the Sanders people have this wrong idea that everyone on the left would have gone for BS if they just realized he was electable and that could not be further from the truth. I was unimpressed with Sanders both with his record, knowledge of the process, and his general demeanor.

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Interesting Times  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:57:27pm

re: #220 JordanRules

The judges.
The judges are bad and burrowed in. This part of the struggle they’ve already partially won. I don’t know how we stop it for the next year or so.

People asked upthread about actually defining HRC’s “flaws”, but to me, it goes so much deeper than that - the perception that establishment Dems give in/won’t fight, while GOPers get away with whatever the hell they want. Or, as one friend of mine put it:

“Wealthy corporate donors support strong Republicans and weak Democrats.”

That kind of discouragement and disillusionment is what (along with gerrymandering and outright suppression) drives down numbers among Dem voters. And I must confess, one of the thoughts that kept going through my mind as I read Feinstein’s statement was, “Well that’s just great - why did you let the GOPers get away with that slimy little blue-slip trick for so long, knowing what their end game was? It’s nice that you’re pointing out their dickbaggery now, but what are you actually going to DO about it? And if there’s nothing you can do about it, why didn’t all of you, last year, call out the GOP’s obstruction sooner, when you had the bully pulpit of the Dem convention? Why did you act as if the GOP was civilized and redeemable, when clearly it’s anything but?”

I realize Dems face a lazy, feckless, or outright malevolent media…but they can, at the very least, avoid direct messaging that demotivates their base.

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wrenchwench  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:58:23pm

My twitter thingy:

Mentions

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An update on your reports

Thanks again for letting us know. Our investigation found these accounts in violation of the Twitter Rules:
f r o g w a v e
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Brian Crowson
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Thanks, Nyet. You are why I reported that one.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:59:07pm

Does this Donna Brazile article attacking Hillary Clinton just show that she basically bailed the DNC out of a big financial jam, or am I missing something?

Because this looks like a big nothing on first reading, despite Brazile’s back-stabbing rhetoric. My main impression after reading it is that I’ve lost a LOT of respect for her.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 2, 2017 • 12:59:44pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:02:39pm

re: #239 FormerDirtDart

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Mass immigration built this country.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:03:34pm

re: #240 FormerDirtDart

“How dare these foreigners walk around NY as if nothing happened!!!!”

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:03:51pm

re: #238 Charles Johnson

Does this Donna Brazile article attacking Hillary Clinton just show that she basically bailed the DNC out of a big financial jam, or am I missing something?

Because this looks like a big nothing on first reading, despite Brazile’s back-stabbing rhetoric. My main impression after reading it is that I’ve lost a LOT of respect for her.

I have no idea. What I do know is this HRC has gone to bat for several Democrats over the years including one Nina Turner who has a grudge for some reason.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:04:08pm

re: #239 FormerDirtDart

All five of them.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:04:48pm

I’m surprised the Trump-thing hasn’t started ranting about the Brazile article yet. Maybe it’s too difficult for him to follow.

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lawhawk  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:05:26pm

re: #191 jaunte

All these eliminations means middle class pays more taxes, and those who suffer from medical conditions will now pay even more in tax (straining an already tight budget for those folks).

Someone in the middle class who has a significant medical condition or hospitalization could find themselves screwed thanks to this.

And why are they eliminating this? Because they’re trying to find revenue to offset the passthrough tax cuts, which would be a giveaway to Trump types (instead of paying 39.6%, they pay 25% on passthrough income). Corps also see big marginal tax rate cut (effective tax rate may drop further still, depending on what the GOP does with the deductions available to corps).

All that revenue has to be made up somewhere.

Once again, it falls on those least able to afford the burdens.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:05:42pm

re: #238 Charles Johnson

Bernie signed onto it too. Did he help? Of course not.

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Skip Intro  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:05:51pm

re: #245 Charles Johnson

I’m surprised the Trump-thing hasn’t started ranting about the Brazile article yet. Maybe it’s too difficult for him to follow.

Fox hasn’t covered it.

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:07:00pm

re: #238 Charles Johnson

Does this Donna Brazile article attacking Hillary Clinton just show that she basically bailed the DNC out of a big financial jam, or am I missing something?

Because this looks like a big nothing on first reading, despite Brazile’s back-stabbing rhetoric. My main impression after reading it is that I’ve lost a LOT of respect for her.

Yep. Agree completely.

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wrenchwench  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:07:07pm

re: #237 wrenchwench

My twitter thingy:

Mentions

An update on the accounts you reported is available 1h

Thanks, Nyet. You are why I reported that one.

The frog one, that is. I don’t know whether I reported the crow one. I thought that was who was speaking for twitter when I first read it.

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Kragar  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:08:59pm

re: #238 Charles Johnson

Does this Donna Brazile article attacking Hillary Clinton just show that she basically bailed the DNC out of a big financial jam, or am I missing something?

Because this looks like a big nothing on first reading, despite Brazile’s back-stabbing rhetoric. My main impression after reading it is that I’ve lost a LOT of respect for her.

Her main takeaway is that Hillary was there to support the DNC and Bernie wasn’t.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:09:03pm

re: #247 GlutenFreeJesus

Bernie signed onto it too. Did he help? Of course not.

Nope. And that’s why I don’t like him. He does NOT help. He crippled Jon Ossoff in Georgia by questioning his cards.

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b_sharp  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:10:15pm

re: #198 bratwurst

Friends, we have been swimming in a sea of dumbass takes since Trump rode down the golden escalator…but the idea that a swift death penalty for the New York truck terrorist will serve as a deterrent to others may well be the dumbest yet.

Yah, deterrents to a terrorist more than willing to give his/her life for the cause are no more than lint in your pocket.

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lawhawk  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:11:11pm

re: #253 b_sharp

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:11:49pm

re: #251 Kragar

Her main takeaway is that Hillary was there to support the DNC and Bernie wasn’t.

Which I think proves why the DNC was right to prefer her over him.

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b_sharp  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:13:39pm

re: #254 lawhawk

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I’m starting to wonder if wingnuts ever think beyond their emotional gut feelings.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:14:31pm
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jaunte  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:14:42pm

re: #225 Kragar

“…It didn’t help matters when, less than 30 minutes after making the accusations, the Sanders campaign sent out a new fundraising message to its donors, asking for more financial contributions in response to the allegations.”
msnbc.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:16:17pm

re: #245 Charles Johnson

I’m surprised the Trump-thing hasn’t started ranting about the Brazile article yet. Maybe it’s too difficult for him to follow.

he’s waiting for F&F to have a morning outrage about it.

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darthstar  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:16:53pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:18:16pm

re: #258 jaunte

This is important too:
Right off the bat, it’s worth noting that the Democratic National Committee offered Team Sanders the identical opportunity for a joint fundraising operation, but the senator declined - not because the joint victory fund is illegal, but because Sanders preferred to simply do his own thing, separate from the national party.

I’m sorry but while I know the DNC isn’t perfect, I don’t see them as the sinister bad guys that the BBs want to make them out to be here. And you know what, I’m really tired of the lie that if you’re opposed to Sanders, you’re a moderate, conservative, or “neo-lib.” I’ll put my progressive street creds against anyone but because I don’t think a seventy six year old white dude whose immigration record got Steve King’s praise is this generation’s RFK, I’m a “neo-lib.”

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:20:34pm

How long before Dotard takes credit for a law that was passed last year?

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dangerman  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:20:35pm

re: #1 Kragar

Sec. Rick Perry: Fossil Fuels Help Prevent Sexual Assaults Because It’s Hard To Rape Somebody In The Dark -

please explain all the recent reporting re assaults indoors, at work, during the day, fox, weinstein, trump, spacey, halperin, in the military, piven, oreilly, ad nauseum

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b_sharp  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:21:28pm

re: #257 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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What the fuck good is vengeance? Historically, laws were designed & implemented to stop cycles of vengeance. It makes no sense.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:21:50pm

I mean if Sanders wants to do his own thing, fine but that to me really does speak lowly of him as his capability and his general leadership skills.

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Kragar  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:21:50pm
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FormerDirtDart  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:22:01pm
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Kragar  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:22:22pm
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b_sharp  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:22:57pm

re: #263 dangerman

please explain all the recent reporting re assaults indoors, at work, during the day, fox, weinstein, trump, spacey, halperin, in the military, piven, oreilly, ad nauseum

Rick Perry is an idiot. He must be a great cocksucker.

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lawhawk  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:23:20pm

re: #257 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

These fucknuts don’t realize that it’s more costly to do a death penalty instead of life incarceration.

Oh, and the fact that Trump has jeopardized the case doesn’t even register with them.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:23:28pm

re: #267 FormerDirtDart

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You see Jocko, there’s this called rule of law in this country. I don’t care if you’re a former SEAL or not. If we can try and convict Timothy McVeigh, we can do the same for this asshole. But hey I’m just an overly emotional liberal and you’re a stoic, sensible conservative, what the hell do I know?

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dangerman  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:25:25pm

re: #92 The Vicious Babushka

“Gee I sure wish I could file my taxes on a single sheet of paper/postcard” SAID NO TAXPAYER EVER

.@POTUS: “Most Americans will be able to file taxes on a SINGLE sheet of paper.”

what mail it? through what the USPS? that usps you’re trying to drown?

most people efile (85%)

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lawhawk  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:25:45pm

re: #267 FormerDirtDart

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:25:49pm

Obama beat Clinton in 2008. Why should Bernie have gotten special treatment? And I’ll be blunt, I thought the Democrats were overly generous to let him run for their nomination. I get that he caucuses with the party but he’d never formally committed to the party really either. Seems to me that Sanders and his allies wanted it both ways. They wanted to be able to win but also distance themselves from the party when they felt it conveinient and that’s just not leadership.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:26:39pm

If we had done things this SEAL’s way, Nuremberg never happens and we get a bunch of Nazi martyrs in Germany and a much difficult post-war Germany to govern.

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JordanRules  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:28:00pm

re: #236 Interesting Times

You’re right that the perception exists and my stance has always been that it’s not very accurate for the most part.

I didn’t go digging for receipts like I often do to hopefully get people to reconsider accepting this narrative of feckless or message-less Dems cause I’m not sure what you’re suggesting they should have done. Chances are, whatever was viable, they did it. If there is something specific, I’m happy to look into it and admit any huge procedural failings on our part. Our leadership aren’t really prone to those though.

I hear about no messaging and how we have to state what we are for, not just being against them. And I hear we have to use our limited bully pulpit to indeed call them out and point out all the differences. Guess what? At the convention I watched, I saw both.

Here is one good old piece from 2013 about judicial appointments that is worth a gander to remember the full climate:
“Why Senate Democrats Had To Invoke The ‘Nuclear Option”
thinkprogress.org

I think with Dems we have the exact same problem that we talked about in this thread pertaining to Hillary. They sold this narrative for decades and too many of us bought it too.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:28:04pm

re: #276 Charles Johnson

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LOL if you say so. Your party controls both Houses of Congress and you haven’t been able to do jack shit legislatively. You’re also epically unpopular.

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b_sharp  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:29:32pm

re: #276 Charles Johnson

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Trump is the archetypal stereotype used car salesperson.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:30:00pm

What I hope for in 2020 if Sanders runs is for someone to go after him from the left. I think his mystique with the party’s left needs to be wiped away. I’m tired of holier than thou lefties ignoring his terrible record not just on guns but also immigration.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:30:40pm

re: #279 b_sharp

Trump is the archetypal stereotype used car salesperson.

He’d be just another sleazy car salesman from Queens if it weren’t for Daddy’s money.

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MsJ  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:31:49pm
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JordanRules  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:32:08pm

re: #276 Charles Johnson

Ewww. No I don’t!

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dangerman  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:35:15pm

re: #128 Charmingly Persistent (EmmaAnne)

Thank you! I am soooo tired of the constant bagging on Hillary (and really every other Dem nominee and office holder, though HIllary gets an extra special dose) by our own side. Biden, for example, ran for president twice and couldn’t make it through the primaries, but somehow he would have saved us. No. There aren’t any perfect candidates, so you support the best one instead of picking them to death.

…you support the best one of those running
the one who gets the most votes is the best of those
that person is favored by the most people (yeah, assumes a few things)

more than half the people in this country are dumber than the average

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:35:50pm

re: #276 Charles Johnson

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:37:19pm

Where I get frustrated with most self fancied progressives is their instance that change be top down. Local politics bores them because it’s not sexy enough. If you want a more progressive party, start locally and maybe improve your message too.

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dangerman  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:40:25pm

re: #159 jaunte

“Hey, America! Give us our tax cuts in perpetuity and we’ll give you a free cup of coffee ☕️ for 16 months! Deal?

typical

some get free cups of coffee for a while
while others have to give up their coffee forever

dont make us get those apples out again

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:41:01pm

I’ll be honest though. I’m not totally sold on socialism either just as I’m not sold on gop economics either.

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ObserverArt  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:41:44pm

re: #200 makeitstop

…and if I never hear it again for the rest of my life, it’ll be too soon.

I live in Billy Joel country. They still play him all day long.

That has got to be tough.

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JordanRules  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:43:14pm

I’d also like to extend these warm wishes to the happy couple.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:44:21pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:45:09pm

re: #290 JordanRules

I’d also like to extend these warm wishes to the happy couple.

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Heh a lot of people forget that about McCain.

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Kragar  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:45:27pm
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Skip Intro  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:45:30pm

re: #291 Backwoods_Sleuth

So a slot opens up for Gohmert.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:45:46pm

re: #291 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Scared of a primary? Well his replacement will be worse.

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Nyet  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:47:16pm

LOL Donna Brazile should go fuck herself.

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JordanRules  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:48:18pm

First, Nate with a stinger.

But, for real, for real!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:50:49pm

re: #297 JordanRules

First, Nate with a stinger.

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If she was concerned for the Obama coalition, why would the guy whose advisers disparaged the Obama coalition been a better pick?

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dangerman  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:53:24pm

re: #265 HappyWarrior

I mean if Sanders wants to do his own thing, fine but that to me really does speak lowly of him as his capability and his general leadership skills.

he isnt/wasnt a Democrat
he’s not even a half-o-crat

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JordanRules  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:53:43pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:54:52pm

re: #299 dangerman

he isnt/wasnt a democrat
he’s not even a half-o-crat

Everyone who worships him ignores that and it pisses me off. He ran for their nomination because it was the quickest way to the presidency not because he actually cares about the Democratic Party.

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Kragar  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:54:54pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:55:15pm

re: #300 JordanRules

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Awesome!

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Kragar  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:56:09pm
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dangerman  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:56:14pm

re: #274 HappyWarrior

Obama beat Clinton in 2008. Why should Bernie have gotten special treatment? And I’ll be blunt, I thought the Democrats were overly generous to let him run for their nomination. I get that he caucuses with the party but he’d never formally committed to the party really either. Seems to me that Sanders and his allies wanted it both ways. They wanted to be able to win but also distance themselves from the party when they felt it conveinient and that’s just not leadership.

bolded ft

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JordanRules  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:56:47pm

Ha!!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:57:13pm

You know what tho, I’m tired of the whining about how our party isn’t FDR’s. I’m an economic lefty but I’m also a social liberal too. FDR has a lot of faults that we would never accept if he were a Republican.

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Nyet  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:57:45pm

re: #304 Kragar

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Liz Warren should go fuck herself just like Donna Brazile.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:58:23pm

re: #305 dangerman

bolded ft

And it’s what Sanders does. If there’s a Dem wave next fall, he’ll gksdly pay himself on the back but if there’s disappointment, he’ll be on the news to shit on the party.

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petesh  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:58:27pm

re: #306 JordanRules

Steph for the win. Again!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:58:54pm

re: #304 Kragar

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Welp there goes my respect for her.

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wrenchwench  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:59:07pm
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Interesting Times  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:59:33pm

re: #277 JordanRules

I hear about no messaging and how we have to state what we are for, not just being against them. And I hear we have to use our limited bully pulpit to indeed call them out and point out all the differences. Guess what? At the convention I watched, I saw both.

Granted, I’m mainly referring to the convention’s prime-time speeches (which is what most people who watched any coverage would have seen). I remember Obama actually saying nice things about Paul Ryan, and no mention whatsoever of Merrick Garland and the grotesque obstruction he was subjected to. As for what should have been done instead (generally speaking), as always, George Lakoff says it best: Why are you a Democrat?

It is also the only major party to accept the founding idea of our nation, that citizens care about their fellow citizens and work through the government to provide public resources for the benefit of all. Whether private lives or private enterprise, public resources from roads, bridges, airports, and sewers to public education and public health, to science and technology — computer science (thank NSF and DARPA) to satellite communication (thank NASA) to modern medicine (thank NIH). The private depends on public resources! Every Democrat knows this truth, and it is assumed by almost all Democratic legislation.

Yet almost nobody says these truths out loud and defends them in public discourse. A short paragraph each, powerful truths, yet there is no Democratic message expressing these truths.

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petesh  Nov 2, 2017 • 1:59:51pm

re: #312 wrenchwench

Looking good, Ringo!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:00:19pm

re: #314 petesh

Looking good, Ringo!

Yeah he looks great for 77.

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jaunte  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:02:39pm
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jaunte  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:02:49pm
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Kragar  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:04:34pm
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jaunte  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:04:53pm

Sell dishonest somewhere else, we’re full up with Trump in office.

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dangerman  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:05:08pm

re: #307 HappyWarrior

You know what tho, I’m tired of the whining about how our party isn’t FDR’s. I’m an economic lefty but I’m also a social liberal too. FDR has a lot of faults that we would never accept if he were a Republican.

good bad or otherwise, fdr was president 72 years ago

a few things changed since then. here’s 4:
the world
the economy
the population
and how the other party behaves

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makeitstop  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:08:00pm

re: #289 ObserverArt

That has got to be tough.

I’ve grown to actively dislike a number of his songs. If I ever meet Brenda & Eddie in person, Imma start throwing hands. :)

And the ones I like never get played on the radio.

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JordanRules  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:08:06pm

re: #313 Interesting Times

Good stuff and I love bouncing ideas of a better party around with you.

And you know what…after that Liz Warren shit. I don’t have a lot of fight in me right now, for us. Holy shit. SMH

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:08:57pm

re: #317 jaunte

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Kara is right. Popular vote wise, he lost by 12%. Why we have people like Warren who feel the need to pander to this is disappointing.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:09:30pm

re: #319 jaunte

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Sell dishonest somewhere else, we’re full up with Trump in office.

She wants the Bro vote.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:10:11pm

re: #320 dangerman

good bad or otherwise, fdr was president 72 years ago

a few things changed since then. here’s 4:
the world
the economy
the population
and how the other party behaves

Absolutely.

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TedStriker  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:10:17pm

re: #274 HappyWarrior

Obama beat Clinton in 2008. Why should Bernie have gotten special treatment? And I’ll be blunt, I thought the Democrats were overly generous to let him run for their nomination. I get that he caucuses with the party but he’d never formally committed to the party really either. Seems to me that Sanders and his allies wanted it both ways. They wanted to be able to win but also distance themselves from the party when they felt it conveinient and that’s just not leadership.

Which is exactly what Bernie did, as soon as the general was over and Trump won. Hell, IIRC, before the primaries were over, he filed the paperwork for his Senate reelection for next year as an “independant” again, which sounds shady as fucking hell for someone that was trying to win the Democratic presidential nomination.

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MsJ  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:11:34pm

re: #315 HappyWarrior

Yeah he looks great for 77.

77??? No kidding. Damn, he looks amazing.

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JordanRules  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:12:00pm

Let’s just leave the coalition that Americans built with the black guy and continued with the uber qualified lady behind for straight bullshit.

FFS!!!!!!!!!!!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:12:33pm

re: #326 TedStriker

Which is exactly what Bernie did, as soon as the general was over and Trump won. Hell, IIRC, before the primaries were over, he filed the paperwork for his Senate reelection for next year as an “independant” again, which sounds shady as fucking hell for someone that was trying to win the Democratic presidential nomination.

He’s a lot more shady than his supporters think he is. I hate the whole pure Saint Bernard of Sanders narrative they’ve created. I actually didn’t know about that deet though.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:12:42pm

re: #192 HappyWarrior

An awful lot of the Sanders hype was fueled by some weapons-grade ratfucking. Enhanced by clueless idealists who were played big-time.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:13:12pm

re: #327 MsJ

77??? No kidding. Damn, he looks amazing.

Yep. Born in July of 1940. He’s the oldest Beatle.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:14:04pm

re: #211 makeitstop

Yeah, that whole ‘residency’ thing was weird. But he put some money in Jim Dolan’s pocket, so it’s all good.

Fun fact: A casual friend from the club circuit out here who had a BJ tribute band actually got hired by Billy to be his ‘stunt singer’ - hitting all the notes that Billy can’t hit any more.

‘Stunt singers’ are apparently a thing - I met a young Brit a couple of years ago who does the same thing for Ian Anderson of Jethro Tull.

I read about him in the Rolling Stone.

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JordanRules  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:14:43pm

Do you have room for friends Mr. Professor?

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MsJ  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:15:12pm

re: #331 HappyWarrior

Yep. Born in July of 1940. He’s the oldest Beatle.

Sheeeeeeeiittt. I wish I looked that good now! :D

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:15:15pm

re: #330 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

An awful lot of the Sanders hype was fueled by some weapons-grade ratfucking. Enhanced by clueless idealists who were played big-time.

I think so too. It led a lot of idealistic kids to think he was more popular than he really was ignoring that he really had no appeal to PoC. But I tell you what really angers me about Sanders. He loses big in Southern states and just dismisses them as going Republican anyhow. Yet he won plenty of equally Republican Mountain West states in the caucuses. He had this condescending attitude to voters of color that is a big reason why I preferred HRC over him and why I will not support him at all should he run in 2020. Obviously, I will if he’s the nominee but he’s my last choice at this point.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:16:07pm

re: #334 MsJ

Sheeeeeeeiittt. I wish I looked that good now! :D

Yeah I want to know about his diet. I love to eat but I’d love to look that good at this age.

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JordanRules  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:16:08pm
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makeitstop  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:17:25pm

re: #332 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I read about him in the Rolling Stone.

He’s got a great gig. He works with Joel whenever that is happening, then goes back to the tribute band when it’s not. And since he’s part of Joel’s band, Billy’s been known to drop in on their gigs. So most of his shows are packed on the off chance that the Real Thing might show up.

He writes some damn good original stuff, too. Hopefully the Billy thing will kick some doors open for him.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:17:51pm

re: #270 lawhawk

These fucknuts don’t realize that it’s more costly to do a death penalty instead of life incarceration.

Oh, and the fact that Trump has jeopardized the case doesn’t even register with them.

That is all irrelevant. They are just serving up the kind of red meat that their viewers tune in for to stoke their Righteous White Rage.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:18:07pm

re: #337 JordanRules

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Which is something one of the parties is trying to fix but we wouldn’t know it because someone wants attention and affection from the Bros. I’m actually quite familiar with Tom Perez since he’s based out of Montgomery County, Maryland, across the river from me. How the hell he’s gotten painted as this “moderate, neo-lib” infuriates me. I liked Keith Ellison too don’t get me wrong but Perez had just as much progressive bonafides as Ellison did.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:18:40pm

re: #339 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That is all irrelevant. They are just serving up the kind of red meat that their viewers tune in for to stoke their Righteous White Rage.

Yeah, we’ll see how they feel if Trump’s stupidity gets a terrorist off on a technicality. Then again, that would probably make them favor lynching which I am sure some already do.

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JordanRules  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:21:25pm

re: #337 JordanRules

Damn…

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allegro  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:21:51pm

re: #319 jaunte

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Sell dishonest somewhere else, we’re full up with Trump in office.

So two powerful women today trashing another powerful woman who was their ally and champion. What’s that Margaret Albright quote again?

Disgusted, I am.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:22:43pm

re: #273 lawhawk

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Imagine if you will, going about your day in Iraq, then suddenly a bunch of foreigners invade and take over or destroy your home, kill some family/friends. re: #324 HappyWarrior

She wants the Bro vote.

That’s all she’s going to get.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:22:43pm

re: #342 JordanRules

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Damn…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:23:26pm

re: #341 HappyWarrior

Yeah, we’ll see how they feel if Trump’s stupidity gets a terrorist off on a technicality. Then again, that would probably make them favor lynching which I am sure some already do.

If he gets off it is likely he will be lynched, and if so, that lynching will be offered as further proof that our justice system is a “joke” and should be ignored…

I do not like where this is leading.

And hey, folks, I am just 42 updings short of 88,888!!!

I live for these little random milestones.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:23:30pm

re: #343 allegro

So two powerful women today trashing another powerful woman who was their ally and champion. What’s that Margaret Albright quote again?

Disgusted, I am.

A special place in hell for women who sell out other women or something like that. Anyhow. I’ve always liked Warren but I never saw her as presidential material like many did. I think many were just attracted to her for being an unabashed progressive. And don’t get me wrong, that’s something I do appreciate but I didn’t see it necessarily making her presidential material either.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:23:57pm

re: #344 GlutenFreeJesus

Imagine if you will, going about your day in Iraq, then suddenly a bunch of foreigners invade and take over or destroy your home, kill some family/friends.

That’s all she’s going to get.

I really wish someone would be honest with them instead of pandering to them.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:24:20pm

re: #344 GlutenFreeJesus

She wants the Bro vote.

That’s all she’s going to get.

I thought the bros hated her during the primary.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:24:37pm

re: #346 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If he gets off it is likely he will be lynched, and if so, that lynching will be offered as further proof that our justice system is a “joke” and should be ignored…

I do not like where this is leading.

And hey, folks, I am just 42 updings short of 88,888!!!

I live for these little random milestones.

Gave you just one little bit closer. Your’e 40 short as of last check.

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VegasGolfer  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:25:23pm

re: #220 JordanRules

I said the other night the remedy is, vote.
Some people got upset i brought this up, but we get what we get when we dont vote.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:25:36pm

re: #349 Backwoods_Sleuth

I thought the bros hated her during the primary.

After she endorsed HRC, they did but I think she feels she can get some of their support by playing to their victimhood fantasies. It’s very cynical of her. Hence why I’m disappointed in her. I’ve never been a huge fan. An admirer, sure but never a Warren 2020 type.

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jaunte  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:26:18pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:26:35pm

re: #187 BeachDem

The only one who ever said it was probably the yam himself (a single page of anything is the extent of his attention span)

No, he likes the photo-ops of posing with 6 reams of blank paper and claiming it’s his “tax returns” (which he has never shown)

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JordanRules  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:28:23pm

re: #351 VegasGolfer

They know this and so they cheat. Will not stop me from registering folks, volunteering for campaigns, fighting gerrymandering etc, but I’m not going to be naive about how goalposts move to maintain certain power dynamics.

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nines09  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:28:52pm

re: #337 JordanRules

Try this….

It just got my ass shut down…

But if I paid in rubles…

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MsJ  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:29:46pm

re: #335 HappyWarrior

Obviously, I will if he’s the nominee but he’s my last choice at this point.

That’s how I now feel about Elizabeth Warren. (sigh)

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MsJ  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:30:21pm

re: #336 HappyWarrior

Yeah I want to know about his diet. I love to eat but I’d love to look that good at this age.

I want to be alive at his age! I already don’t look that damn good.

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Bubblehead II  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:31:31pm

re: #343 allegro

So two powerful women today trashing another powerful woman who was their ally and champion. What’s that Margaret Albright quote again?

Disgusted, I am.

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sagehen  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:32:02pm

re: #307 HappyWarrior

You know what tho, I’m tired of the whining about how our party isn’t FDR’s. I’m an economic lefty but I’m also a social liberal too. FDR has a lot of faults that we would never accept if he were a Republican.

Example: the reason he was able to pass Social Security, is because it specifically disallowed farm workers and domestic servants. Guess what most black people did for a living back then?

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MsJ  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:32:27pm

re: #343 allegro

So two powerful women today trashing another powerful woman who was their ally and champion. What’s that Margaret Albright quote again?

Disgusted, I am.

Hell isn’t good enough. (spit)

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:32:50pm

re: #358 MsJ

That’s how I now feel about Elizabeth Warren. (sigh)

I just hate that she feels the need to pander to them and their fantasies of persecution. Hillary beat Bernie by 11% in the primary. In fact, a higher amount of people voted for her over Sanders than they did her over Trump. Yet, we’re given this narrative that “everyone” loves Sanders and hates Clinton. As I’ve said, I’m in Bernie’s targeted demo, I’m a straight white man but I have seen some very nasty sexism come from his supporters towards her that you’d expect to see among right wingers- calling her a bitch and that sort of thing.

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calochortus  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:33:21pm

re: #358 MsJ

That’s how I now feel about Elizabeth Warren. (sigh)

Friend of a friend knows her and while he appreciates her work in the Senate, he says she lacks the temperament to be president.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:33:25pm

re: #361 sagehen

Example: the reason he was able to pass Social Security, is because it specifically disallowed farm workers and domestic servants. Guess what most black people did for a living back then?

I actually did not know that. But yes.

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JordanRules  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:33:44pm

re: #353 jaunte

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:35:48pm

re: #364 calochortus

Friend of a friend knows her and while he appreciates her work in the Senate, he says she lacks the temperament to be president.

Not many people do. Which is why while there’s usually 70-80 Democratic/Republican governors or Senators, not all of them are presidential material. You can like someone as a legislator or governor and not think they need to be POTUS. I really think Warren’s appeal has been that she’s an unapologetic progressive and that makes people think she should be POTUS and I get that but I’d worry about her admitted lack of interest to foreign policy. That was also something that rubbed me the wrong way about Sanders too actually before he went negative.

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JordanRules  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:37:50pm

Shit, why wouldn’t they. Get another one lined up for later using Warren too!

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MsJ  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:37:59pm

re: #364 calochortus

Friend of a friend knows her and while he appreciates her work in the Senate, he says she lacks the temperament to be president.

I would have given her a good looksee, too. Now, she’s a non-starter for me. I am not interested in what she has to say because Bernie had to lie his ass off to get the followers he had…so if she’s starting out this way, it’s only downhill.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:39:10pm

re: #368 JordanRules

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Shit, why wouldn’t they. Get another one lined up for later using Warren too!

Those of you who have compared him to Trump weren’t that far off.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:39:34pm

re: #369 MsJ

I would have given her a good looksee, too. Now, she’s a non-starter for me. I am not interested in what she has to say because Bernie had to lie his ass off to get the followers he had…so if she’s starting out this way, it’s only downhill.

I’ll listen to her on the issues but as a leader, no, I can’t.

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MsJ  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:39:36pm

re: #366 JordanRules

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:41:09pm

re: #361 sagehen

Example: the reason he was able to pass Social Security, is because it specifically disallowed farm workers and domestic servants. Guess what most black people did for a living back then?

And blacks were systematically excluded from most New Deal job programs.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:41:25pm
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ObserverArt  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:41:51pm

re: #308 Nyet

Liz Warren should go fuck herself just like Donna Brazile.

I’ve kept on the downlow about Warren. I sometimes think she gets lost in the weeds by trying to please people and be popular. In this case she is not realizing how hypocritical she is coming off. Or, a complete fake. She said all along she supported Clinton. Now this.

It makes her look weak as hell and all about the politics because it seems to now be the thing to bash Hillary from the left.

I think Brazile is out to sell books and the best and easiest way to do that is sell it to Hillary hate. It is sure to get crossover appeal and widen her market. It sucks and Brazile is doing nothing for the party…only for herself.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:43:57pm

re: #373 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And blacks were systematically excluded from most New Deal job programs.

FDR also refused to sign a bill outlawing lynching because it would mean he’d lose Southern support for the New Deal. And then there was the internment of the Japanese-Americans. He deserves the credit he gets for the work he did ending the Depression and leadership during WWII but he also gets demerits for refusing to stand up to the bigotry of the Dixiecrats like Truman and LBJ especially did later. I’m afraid that to the party’s left, he’s become our Reagan, a myth more than a President.

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calochortus  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:44:02pm

re: #367 HappyWarrior

re: #369 MsJ

Yup, attractive on the surface, and she’s done some good work, but not presidential material. And therein lies the problem. One needs to know a good deal about a candidate, but if they’ve been around long enough to get that info, they also have things they’ve done that can count against them. (See also: Hillary)

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JordanRules  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:44:16pm
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Brian J.  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:44:58pm

re: #369 MsJ

I would have given her a good looksee, too. Now, she’s a non-starter for me. I am not interested in what she has to say because Bernie had to lie his ass off to get the followers he had…so if she’s starting out this way, it’s only downhill.

You’ve got a lot of company. Me, for instance, but here in Louisiana, that probably won’t matter. A Massachusetts senator polling at 13% in the New Hampshire primary is a candidate who simply is not a contender.

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Jay C  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:44:59pm

re: #365 HappyWarrior

I actually did not know that. But yes.

Mainly because in the ’30s, the Democratic Party was Congressionally dependent (especially in the Senate) on its Southern bloc: of whose top ten (permanent) legislative aims, maintenance of white supremacy and legal segregation were nine of them.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:45:44pm

re: #377 calochortus

Yup, attractive on the surface, and she’s done some good work, but not presidential material. And therein lies the problem. One needs to know a good deal about a candidate, but if they’ve been around long enough to get that info, they also have things they’ve done that can count against them. (See also: Hillary)

Right, I really appreciate her as a consumer advocate. But I wasn’t sure if I wanted to hand her the keys to the Executive Branch.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:47:47pm

re: #380 Jay C

Mainly because in the ’30s, the Democratic Party was Congressionally dependent (especially in the Senate) on its Southern bloc: of whose top ten (permanent) legislative aims, maintenance of white supremacy and legal segregation were nine of them.

Right, a lot of the Southern Dems chaired key committees back then. What i didn’t know was what you had said about the SS exception. Makes sense, it does explain why I’ve seen some people in Ancestry records get their SS assigned later than 1935ish.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:48:08pm

re: #380 Jay C

Mainly because in the ’30s, the Democratic Party was Congressionally dependent (especially in the Senate) on its Southern bloc: of whose top ten (permanent) legislative aims, maintenance of white supremacy and legal segregation were nine of them.

Sorta like the way that the GOP majority is too beholden to the extreme right to risk doing anything to alienate them, no matter how extreme they get in their rhetoric and actions…

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JordanRules  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:49:09pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:49:12pm

re: #379 Brian J.

You’ve got a lot of company. Me, for instance, but here in Louisiana, that probably won’t matter. A Massachusetts senator polling at 13% in the New Hampshire primary is a candidate who simply is not a contender.

Right and it’s not a matter of name recon with her given that they definitely know her. Anyhow of those three, I like Biden the most by far but I hope it’s someone else that emerges. I’m really warming up to Senator Harris a lot because of her focus on immigration, a big issue to me as I deal with a lot of immigration cases in my work and it’s an important issue to me personally.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:50:50pm

re: #383 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Sorta like the way that the GOP majority is too beholden to the extreme right to risk doing anything to alienate them, no matter how extreme they get in their rhetoric and actions…

A little yeah. The thing is even though these Democrats were very conservative, they’d never become Republicans because for too many of them, they’d never join the party of the hated Lincoln. As more people with memories of Lincoln or second hand ones faded off, I think that’s what made it more acceptable for Southern whites to become Republicans. And I think Strom Thurmond switching over was a big deal.

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calochortus  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:50:58pm

re: #384 JordanRules

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I didn’t realize he bought it that recently. I gather he didn’t buy it to try to increase the readership.

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JordanRules  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:52:09pm

re: #387 calochortus

Me either. It’s looking very deliberate now. Chicagoist gone too.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:52:41pm

News from the Golden Calf cult:
Christian Writer Banned From Liberty University Campus After Criticizing Trump Ally

An evangelical Christian writer and pastor says he’s been banned from the Liberty University campus for criticizing President Jerry Falwell, Jr., a longtime ally of President Donald Trump.

The writer, Jonathan Martin, said in a Twitter thread that he was on the campus of Liberty, a private Christian college in Lynchburg, Va., Monday night for a concert by the duo Johnnyswim when he was escorted away by armed campus police.

Liberty claims Martin was booted for trying to hold an event without following proper protocols such as advance notice and authorization. The event he had in mind was a prayer meeting. One might think that a prayer meeting on a Christian campus would not require a lot of vetting, but the hereditary witch doctor overlords of Liberty have apparently decided otherwise.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:52:58pm

re: #23 Ace-o-aces

Trump: I need someone to be Secretary of Housing.
Dr. Carson: I live in a house.
Trump: You’re hired.

Trump has perfected the art of hiring unqualified lackeys which makes sense given that he is unqualified for the position he currently holds.

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BeachDem  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:53:06pm

re: #313 Interesting Times

Granted, I’m mainly referring to the convention’s prime-time speeches (which is what most people who watched any coverage would have seen). I remember Obama actually saying nice things about Paul Ryan, and no mention whatsoever of Merrick Garland and the grotesque obstruction he was subjected to. As for what should have been done instead (generally speaking), as always, George Lakoff says it best: Why are you a Democrat?

George Lakoff always says it best—Don’t Think of an Elephant.

His analysis of the last election on HuffPo was a masterpiece. I wish he had a louder megaphone.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:53:45pm

re: #388 JordanRules

Me either. It’s looking very deliberate now. Chicagoist gone too.

also:

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:55:25pm

But even into the 1990’s, you still had a lot of Democratic legislators in the South on the state level who were as conservative as it got. As the Republican Party has ran further from Abe Lincoln both literally and figuratively- they now have Reagan dinners instead of Lincoln for example, it becomes more acceptable for a guy whose granddaddy would have never voted Republican to vote for the GOP. Now, this is sort of happened up North and in the Midwest too with those WWC voters Sanders likes to talk about. Sanders is correct. We have lost those voters but where Sanders is dead wrong is why we’ve lost them. The party is frankly as progressive as it’s ever been. See the platform last year but but the national party is also staunchly pro-choice, pro-LGBT, and pro immigrant too and those are values that those voters don’t like about the national party.

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jaunte  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:55:44pm

re: #390 Patricia Kayden

Trump has perfected the art of hiring unqualified lackeys which makes sense given that he is unqualified for the position he currently holds.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:56:13pm
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Patricia Kayden  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:56:27pm

re: #389 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Wow! That is shocking. Speechless.

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allegro  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:56:31pm

re: #360 Bubblehead II

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As I said, MADELEINE Albright. Sheesh, been a day.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:57:21pm

re: #389 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

News from the Golden Calf cult:
Christian Writer Banned From Liberty University Campus After Criticizing Trump Ally

Liberty claims Martin was booted for trying to hold an event without following proper protocols such as advance notice and authorization. The event he had in mind was a prayer meeting. One might think that a prayer meeting on a Christian campus would not require a lot of vetting, but the hereditary witch doctor overlords of Liberty have apparently decided otherwise.

You won’t hear this from those right wingers who insist college campuses are a den of intolerant lefties. I actually as a moderate lefty worked with people of many camps in college. I worked with the campus Dems to get Dems elected locally, a more further left group of students to improve working conditions for the cafeteria workers, and some work with Students for Liberty on an event showing the harmful impacts the Drug War has had.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:57:39pm

re: #395 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Grifter.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:58:41pm

re: #396 Patricia Kayden

Wow! That is shocking. Speechless.

Don’t be shocked. This is a campus that actually has barred Democratic student groups. Now, why any self described Democrat or liberal would want to attend an intolerant hellhole like Liberty is beyond me and Liberty as a private university does have the right to do that but it shows how intolerant they are.

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Nyet  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:58:41pm
During the Republican primaries, Ricketts had contributed to Our Principles PAC, a Super PAC dedicated to opposing Trump.[44] Ricketts explained his changed position citing economic grounds, stating that Hillary Clinton “represents four more years of the Obama-Clinton economic policies that continue to cripple the middle class.”[46]

IOW a sociopath.

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JordanRules  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:58:47pm

re: #392 Backwoods_Sleuth

Damn.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:59:01pm

re: #394 jaunte

In any other administration, that would be a major scandal. But with Trump it’s “meh”. I understand that Democrats are in the minority but they need to make more noise about how Trump is using his position to grift for himself, his family and now as exposed in that article, his friends.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 2:59:19pm

re: #401 Nyet

IOW a sociopath.

In short, a fake Never Trumper.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 3:01:21pm

Damn poor Deshaun Watson. Tore his ACL in practice. That just is cruel fate. This Steelers fan wishes him a healthy recovery. He’s a great talent but he seems like he’s an even better kid after seeing his actions after Harvey hit Houston.

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JordanRules  Nov 2, 2017 • 3:01:56pm

Oh snap! We had fun with metro Abe over at Balloon-Juice.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 2, 2017 • 3:02:39pm

Joe Ricketts’ family owns the Chicago Cubs, IIRC…

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 3:02:54pm

re: #406 JordanRules

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Oh snap! We had fun with metro Abe over at Balloon-Juice.

Heh I don’t think Obama ever portrayed himself as metrosexual. Rickets seems like a strange cat.

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Nyet  Nov 2, 2017 • 3:04:27pm

Being obligate intracellular parasites, the Rickettsia survival depends on entry, growth, and replication within the cytoplasm of eukaryotic host cells (typically endothelial cells).

Rickettsia species are transmitted by numerous types of arthropod, including chigger, ticks, fleas, and lice, and are associated with both human and plant disease. Most notably, Rickettsia species are the pathogens responsible for typhus, rickettsialpox, Boutonneuse fever, African tick bite fever, Rocky Mountain spotted fever, Flinders Island spotted fever and Queensland tick typhus (Australian tick typhus).

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 3:05:18pm

re: #407 Backwoods_Sleuth

Joe Ricketts’ family owns the Chicago Cubs, IIRC…

Yep. Owned by Tom. I don’t like mixing politics with my sports teams but my favorite baseball and football team actually have a pretty progressive record: The Orioles’ ownership spoke out in support of BLM and the people protesting following Freddie Gray’s death. Dan Rooney was an early endorser of President Obama and his ambassador to Ireland. And Coach Tomlin did a fundraising dinner with Mrs. Tomlin for HRC and he’s teaming with a non-profit called Operation Underground Railroad to combat child sex trafficking.

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allegro  Nov 2, 2017 • 3:07:23pm

re: #405 HappyWarrior

Damn poor Deshaun Watson. Tore his ACL in practice. That just is cruel fate. This Steelers fan wishes him a healthy recovery. He’s a great talent but he seems like he’s an even better kid after seeing his actions after Harvey hit Houston.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

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calochortus  Nov 2, 2017 • 3:07:58pm

Gotta get some stuff done.

BBL

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Citizen K  Nov 2, 2017 • 3:08:33pm

Christ. Between Elizabeth Warren throwing Hillary under the bus, now the apparent political shutdown of Gothamist and its related sites…fuck all.

Oligarchy and kakistocracy forever, huh?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 3:09:36pm

re: #411 allegro

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

I know. My heart broke when I got the notification. So damn cruel. I really do hope for the best for him and he comes back next year stronger than ever. He’s my new favorite non-Steeler.

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allegro  Nov 2, 2017 • 3:13:05pm

re: #414 HappyWarrior

I know. My heart broke when I got the notification. So damn cruel. I really do hope for the best for him and he comes back next year stronger than ever. He’s my new favorite non-Steeler.

This has certainly turned into a day of unpleasant news. I think wine is called for. Right now.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 2, 2017 • 3:14:47pm

it begins…

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 2, 2017 • 3:15:15pm

re: #319 jaunte

Circular firing squad in full effect. Shouldn’t the focus be on Trump and resisting his agenda? Why are we turning Secretary Clinton (the only qualified Presidential candidate) into the enemy at this point in time? This is bad.

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jaunte  Nov 2, 2017 • 3:15:28pm

“If you elect wealthy business people to run the country, well, then you’re going to get the business.

That’s the one thing you can count on.

Every. Single. Time.”

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 3:15:41pm

re: #417 Patricia Kayden

Circular firing squad in full effect. Shouldn’t the focus be on Trump and resisting his agenda? Why are we turning Secretary Clinton (the only qualified Presidential candidate) into the enemy at this point in time? This is bad.

Because Brazile’s got a book to sell.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 2, 2017 • 3:15:44pm

Wow that Gothamist thing…damn.

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jaunte  Nov 2, 2017 • 3:16:54pm

re: #417 Patricia Kayden

Circular firing squad in full effect. Shouldn’t the focus be on Trump and resisting his agenda? Why are we turning Secretary Clinton (the only qualified Presidential candidate) into the enemy at this point in time? This is bad.

Cui bono. Who does it benefit to exacerbate a split in the Democratic party?

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 2, 2017 • 3:17:50pm

re: #406 JordanRules

No wonder President Obama easily won twice. His opponents were straight up idiots. LOL.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 2, 2017 • 3:18:08pm
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Patricia Kayden  Nov 2, 2017 • 3:18:34pm

re: #421 jaunte

Cui bono. Who does it benefit to exacerbate a split in the Democratic party?

Republicans.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 3:19:22pm

re: #423 Dave In Austin

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Sounds like a good guy. I’ll be rooting for him.

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Stanley Sea  Nov 2, 2017 • 3:20:18pm

Where I’m heading for dinner.

And drinks.

muddywaters-orlando.com

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Skip Intro  Nov 2, 2017 • 3:20:54pm

re: #369 MsJ

I would have given her a good looksee, too. Now, she’s a non-starter for me. I am not interested in what she has to say because Bernie had to lie his ass off to get the followers he had…so if she’s starting out this way, it’s only downhill.

I see once again the Dems are getting all their ducks in a row to lose bigly in 2018.

What a group of wankers.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 3:21:26pm

re: #426 Stanley Sea

Where I’m heading for dinner.

And drinks.

muddywaters-orlando.com

Looks good.

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sagehen  Nov 2, 2017 • 3:22:00pm

re: #386 HappyWarrior

A little yeah. The thing is even though these Democrats were very conservative, they’d never become Republicans because for too many of them, they’d never join the party of the hated Lincoln. As more people with memories of Lincoln or second hand ones faded off, I think that’s what made it more acceptable for Southern whites to become Republicans. And I think Strom Thurmond switching over was a big deal.

And John Connolly.

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TedStriker  Nov 2, 2017 • 3:22:52pm

re: #419 HappyWarrior

Because Brazile’s got a book to sell.

And Warren is apparently trying to draw the BernieBros into her corner.

Both of them are so willing to throw the one presidential candidate that could have actually accomplished Democratic Party objectives (and could have kept the country from going to complete shit, as it is now) under the bus for their own short-sighted, craven gain.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 3:23:13pm

re: #429 sagehen

And John Connolly.

Yeah Connally for sure.

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jaunte  Nov 2, 2017 • 3:23:55pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 3:24:08pm

re: #430 TedStriker

And Warren is apparently trying to draw the BernieBros into her corner.

Both of them are so willing to throw the one presidential candidate that could have actually accomplished party objectives under the bus for their own short-sighted, craven gain.

It’s disappointing as hell honestly. As I said, I probably would be more partial to another candidate other than Warren but she’s someone I did and still do appreciate as she’s a great voice on consumer issues.

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JordanRules  Nov 2, 2017 • 3:25:04pm

re: #426 Stanley Sea

I’ll have some gumbo and the grilled redfish! Looks like a great place. Enjoy!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 3:25:17pm

re: #432 jaunte

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I dunno about that. Clinton won big here in the primaries but it certainly did not help.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 2, 2017 • 3:26:29pm

*blink*

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 3:27:00pm

As I said, if I was running against Sanders, I’d try to attack his left flank. I’d want to know why he had gotten praised by Steve King on immigration.

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Nyet  Nov 2, 2017 • 3:27:18pm

re: #432 jaunte

DB is a pig.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 3:27:34pm

re: #436 Backwoods_Sleuth

*blink*

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In short, he’s frustrated because there’s a little thing called Separation of Powers and this isn’t a dictatorship.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 2, 2017 • 3:27:40pm
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austin_blue  Nov 2, 2017 • 3:27:52pm

Woohoo! My know-nothing, science-denying, San Antonio-based Congresscritter Lamar Smith (R-Mars) is retiring!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 3:28:23pm

re: #440 Backwoods_Sleuth

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But hey the GOP isn’t racist. Ricketts wanted a black guy!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 2, 2017 • 3:32:48pm
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electrotek  Nov 2, 2017 • 3:33:28pm

re: #443 Backwoods_Sleuth

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France and Italy are already pretty diverse to begin with you nitwit troglodyte.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 2, 2017 • 3:33:41pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 2, 2017 • 3:35:53pm
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Patricia Kayden  Nov 2, 2017 • 3:36:02pm

re: #443 Backwoods_Sleuth

Can someone who tweets please respond that American is ALREADY diverse? We’re diverse racially, religiously and ethnically. He’s an idiot. The White American population will not be the majority in around 20 years. He must not be reading the memos.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 2, 2017 • 3:36:36pm
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JordanRules  Nov 2, 2017 • 3:36:54pm
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jaunte  Nov 2, 2017 • 3:37:30pm
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electrotek  Nov 2, 2017 • 3:38:18pm

re: #447 Patricia Kayden

Can someone who tweets please respond that American is ALREADY diverse? We’re diverse racially, religiously and ethnically. He’s an idiot. The White American population will not be the majority in around 20 years. He must not be reading the memos.

They’re such hypocrites.

They lament the loss of diversity in North African and Levantine cities where European communities thrived in (i.e. Tunis, Alexandria, Beirut), but cry about the diversity of European societies?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 2, 2017 • 3:39:52pm
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JordanRules  Nov 2, 2017 • 3:41:49pm
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Nyet  Nov 2, 2017 • 3:42:49pm

;)

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JordanRules  Nov 2, 2017 • 3:43:43pm
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Patricia Kayden  Nov 2, 2017 • 3:44:16pm

re: #445 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Democrats better nip this anti-Secretary Clinton nonsense in the bud. She got 3 million more votes than Trump in the general and beat Bernie because minority voters (like myself) prefered her in the primaries. I can’t believe that we’re still re-fighting the primaries. Letting a non-Democrat run in the Democratic primaries was a horrible idea.

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majii  Nov 2, 2017 • 3:44:39pm

re: #352 HappyWarrior

“After she endorsed HRC, they did but I think she feels she can get some of their support by playing to their victimhood fantasies. It’s very cynical of her. Hence why I’m disappointed in her. I’ve never been a huge fan. An admirer, sure but never a Warren 2020 type.”

Warren and other female Dems who are currently bashing HRC because of Brazile and have any plans to run for POTUS in the near future are turning me off to even beginning to consider supporting them. If they have to attack her to appeal to anyone/group, they’re not the strong female candidates for POTUS that I’m looking for to represent the Democratic Party.

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JordanRules  Nov 2, 2017 • 3:45:59pm

Started the day with notable news from one of our disgusting billionaire overlords and winding up the day with another.

Feels like the Mercer news was days ago, not this morning. Let’s see if one of the Koch’s can come steal the shine from Ricketts.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 2, 2017 • 3:49:04pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 2, 2017 • 3:51:02pm

re: #459 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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Is she … is she trying to make a news item about herself by talking in the third person?

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 2, 2017 • 3:52:07pm

re: #460 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Is she … is she trying to make a news item about herself by talking in the third person?

Yes, she is.

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MsJ  Nov 2, 2017 • 3:52:39pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 2, 2017 • 3:54:02pm
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Citizen K  Nov 2, 2017 • 3:54:43pm

The thing about Warren that frustrates me is how it underscores how Dems, so goddamn often, and as is so common in politics, persist in learning the exact wrong lesson from things. At a time we’ need most to assure PoCs and other at-risk populations, we double down on trying to reassure and re-attract “white working class” instead. When we should be focused on GOP malfeasance and Trump’s unfitness, we instead persist in throwing our 2016 nominee under the bus and let it distract from everything else. At a point we need to be less apologetic for being Dems, we end up apologizing for ever being Dems instead and kowtowing to the altar of Bernie the Wise.

I’m fucking sick and tired of it. Mostly tired, because it feels like no amount of warning will ever pierce through this.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Nov 2, 2017 • 3:56:48pm

re: #461 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Yes, she is.

My God. The woman is so vain, she probably thinks that song is about her.

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Brian J.  Nov 2, 2017 • 3:58:50pm

re: #456 Patricia Kayden

Democrats better nip this anti-Secretary Clinton nonsense in the bud. She got 3 million more votes than Trump in the general and beat Bernie because minority voters (like myself) prefered her in the primaries. I can’t believe that we’re still re-fighting the primaries. Letting a non-Democrat run in the Democratic primaries was a horrible idea.

The thing is that the voters have refought the primary again and again in the last two years, and the result has almost always been the Clinton-like candidate defeating the Sandbagger. The Sanders cult remind me of some loser endlessly daring a better player to a game of HORSE where he never admits defeat.
“Best 16 out of 31!” CLANG
“Best 17 out of 33!” CLANG
“Best 18 out of 35!” CLANG…

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lawhawk  Nov 2, 2017 • 3:59:22pm

Fuuuuuuccckk.

Pro-Trump Billionaire owner of Gothamist (and Chicagoist and SFist and DNAInfo among others) decided to shut down their news services immediately all because the employees wanted to unionize.

This fucker doesn’t want to deal with employees, treats them like crap, and then when they try to organize to get better wages, decides to shut down everything, including the archives without so much as a warning.

He writes about all the woes be to him, but the real issue is he’s a rich bastard who didn’t think the people who created content for him were worth more.

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Brian J.  Nov 2, 2017 • 4:00:23pm

re: #443 Backwoods_Sleuth

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New York City is as diverse as any city in the world, and safer than ever. Even with yesterday’s killings, the city’s projected for about 280 homicides this year, the lowest figure since the city started tracking it in 1928.

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dangerman  Nov 2, 2017 • 4:00:30pm

re: #462 MsJ

Papa John’s CEO lost $70 million in one day after he made controversial comments about the NFL cbsn.ws

effin free markets

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austin_blue  Nov 2, 2017 • 4:00:48pm

re: #467 lawhawk

Fuuuuuuccckk.

Pro-Trump Billionaire owner of Gothamist (and Chicagoist and SFist and DNAInfo among others) decided to shut down their news services immediately all because the employees wanted to unionize.

This fucker doesn’t want to deal with employees, treats them like crap, and then when they try to organize to get better wages, decides to shut down everything, including the archives without so much as a warning.

He writes about all the woes be to him, but the real issue is he’s a rich bastard who didn’t think the people who created content for him were worth more.

Dang! That reminds me of someone else…

Who could it be?

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bratwurst  Nov 2, 2017 • 4:00:48pm

Trump’s twitter got deleted?

Edit: nevermind. He’s back. :(

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 4:01:33pm

re: #463 Backwoods_Sleuth

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She’s right about Sanders.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 2, 2017 • 4:01:42pm

re: #463 Backwoods_Sleuth

I believe the children r our future, love can build a bridge & I was country when country wasn’t cool @FoxNews Analyst @Barnard_Athena Fellow #ROSEARMY

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JordanRules  Nov 2, 2017 • 4:03:07pm

This is not shocking to me. The stories have been out there for years. He was a serial abuser and faced no consequences so I’m sure he was emboldened.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 2, 2017 • 4:04:22pm

re: #474 JordanRules

This is not shocking to me. The stories have been out there for years. He was a serial abuser and faced no consequences so I’m sure he was emboldened.

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I wasn’t aware of them, so I was surprised that he’s as bad as Frank Underwood.

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Brian J.  Nov 2, 2017 • 4:05:39pm

Oh, and for you Louisianans out there, early voting begins tomorrow. Don’t forget to vote for Derrick Edwards for State Treasurer. Long shot, but he’s got a chance to give the Repubs a black eye if we show up and they don’t.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 2, 2017 • 4:06:04pm

re: #462 MsJ

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GOOD!!! He must have forgotten that he has competitors who know how to stay out of controversies.

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JordanRules  Nov 2, 2017 • 4:06:12pm

re: #475 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Yikes, some of the parallels with Frank are creepy as shit.

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majii  Nov 2, 2017 • 4:06:35pm

re: #462 MsJ

“Papa John’s CEO lost $70 million in one day after he made controversial comments about the NFL”

Serves him right. Maybe he should learn to keep his d*mn mouth shut. Being a wealthy pro-Trump business owner doesn’t protect him or his business from consumers’ negative reactions to the BS he permits to erupt from his mouth. If his product isn’t as good as the same product being sold by his competitors, he shoudln’t be blaming protesting NFL players or anyone else except himself. I used to be a reliable Papa John’s customer until he showed how petty he is by saying he’d cut his workers’ hours if he had to contribute to them getting affordable health coverage. Without them, he wouldn’t have a successful business that has expanded throughout the USA. I used to be a reliable Papa John’s customer, but I haven’t ordered one of his pizzas for at least five years. I did the same thing in regard to Chick-fil-A and Olive Garden when these businesses owners/managers showed malice toward some of my fellow Americans.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 4:09:45pm

Honestly, I wish people would shut the hell up about “identity politics” and the left. Who pushed Same Sex marriage bans? The right. Who has pushed transgender bathroom bans? The right. Who wants to allow communities to deny Muslims teh right to worship? The right. Sanders and his allies whether they realize it or not give the right ammo by blaming the party’s social liberals for why we’ve lost voters.

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Interesting Times  Nov 2, 2017 • 4:10:02pm

re: #474 JordanRules

This is not shocking to me. The stories have been out there for years. He was a serial abuser and faced no consequences so I’m sure he was emboldened.

Oh, the irony… :/

American Beauty: Lester is Fired

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 4:10:11pm

re: #474 JordanRules

This is not shocking to me. The stories have been out there for years. He was a serial abuser and faced no consequences so I’m sure he was emboldened.

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Jesus.

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JordanRules  Nov 2, 2017 • 4:11:14pm

re: #471 bratwurst

Apparently it was gone for a glorious 20 seconds for some reason.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 2, 2017 • 4:11:24pm

re: #466 Brian J.

What is so dang special about Senator Sanders anyways? When Secretary Clinton lost against Candidate Obama, she moved on and supported him in the general election. I don’t recall any acrimony between them once the primaries were over. In fact, I recall President Clinton rallying with Obama for his last event in Florida on the eve of the 2008 presidential election. And President Obama appointed her to the Secretary of State position.

Enough already.

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majii  Nov 2, 2017 • 4:11:36pm

re: #474 JordanRules

“This is not shocking to me. The stories have been out there for years. He was a serial abuser and faced no consequences so I’m sure he was emboldened.”

Spacey is simply another example of the power of money.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 4:12:13pm

re: #484 Patricia Kayden

What is so dang special about Senator Sanders anyways? When Secretary Clinton lost against Candidate Obama, she moved on and supported him in the general election. I don’t recall any acrimony between them once the primaries were over. In fact, I recall President Clinton rallying with Obama for his last event in Florida on the eve of the 2008 presidential election. And President Obama appointed her to the Secretary of State position.

Enough already.

A lot of lefties have wanted for years someone who was a socialist and not afraid to call himself that. That’s his appeal. Nevermind that actual socialists would scoff at him.

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JordanRules  Nov 2, 2017 • 4:12:26pm

re: #481 Interesting Times

Geez. How could I forget that.

Woody Allen puts it out there in his content a lot.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 4:12:47pm

re: #485 majii

“This is not shocking to me. The stories have been out there for years. He was a serial abuser and faced no consequences so I’m sure he was emboldened.”

Spacey is simply another example of the power of money.

It really is a shame. I’ve always admired his work. Going to be hard to watch HOC and not think of what was going on behind the scenes.

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Citizen K  Nov 2, 2017 • 4:13:04pm

re: #480 HappyWarrior

Honestly, I wish people would shut the hell up about “identity politics” and the left. Who pushed Same Sex marriage bans? The right. Who has pushed transgender bathroom bans? The right. Who wants to allow communities to deny Muslims teh right to worship? The right. Sanders and his allies whether they realize it or not give the right ammo by blaming the party’s social liberals for why we’ve lost voters.

“Identity politics” ignores the idea that all politics is ‘identity’. That’s kind of half the point. And by making it into the grand boogeyman, you’re saying that some identities simply ‘don’t matter’. Hrm…odd, feels like we had a movement built around fighting back against that very thing…

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Nyet  Nov 2, 2017 • 4:14:06pm

re: #488 HappyWarrior

It really is a shame. I’ve always admired his work. Going to be hard to watch HOC and not think of what was going on behind the scenes.

I guess it’s good then that I’ve never watched it and never wanted to…

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MsJ  Nov 2, 2017 • 4:14:10pm

re: #474 JordanRules

This is not shocking to me. The stories have been out there for years. He was a serial abuser and faced no consequences so I’m sure he was emboldened.

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Uhm…wow and holy shit.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 2, 2017 • 4:15:22pm

re: #490 Nyet

I guess it’s good then that I’ve never watched it and never wanted to…

I watched season 1, and a little bit of season 2, before I lost interest.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 4:15:37pm

re: #489 Citizen K

“Identity politics” ignores the idea that all politics is ‘identity’. That’s kind of half the point. And by making it into the grand boogeyman, you’re saying that some identities simply ‘don’t matter’. Hrm…odd, feels like we had a movement built around fighting back against that very thing…

Exactly and when Sanders talks about the WWC, he’s talking identity too. It really frustrates that me that so many lefties do NOT see how two faced he is. That’s why I’m glad to be here on LGF. Y’all get that Sanders is racially insensitive and insensitive to women’s issues. I really feel reluctant to call the man a honest to God racist but Senator Sanders just seems dismissive of PoC in a way more similar to the average right winger than liberal.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 4:16:03pm

re: #490 Nyet

I guess it’s good then that I’ve never watched it and never wanted to…

I never finished it honestly. Got caught up. It’s a good show but wouldn’t blame you for not watching.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 2, 2017 • 4:16:16pm

re: #443 Backwoods_Sleuth

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 4:16:27pm

re: #492 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

I watched season 1, and a little bit of season 2, before I lost interest.

Season 1 was the best IMO.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 4:16:59pm

re: #495 Joe Bacon 🌹

[Embedded content]

Ever been to Canada, Chucky? Oh and we’ve always been a diverse nation, you asshat.

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dangerman  Nov 2, 2017 • 4:17:12pm

re: #474 JordanRules

This is not shocking to me. The stories have been out there for years. He was a serial abuser and faced no consequences so I’m sure he was emboldened.

CNN BREAKING: ‘House of Cards’ employees allege sexual harassment, assault by Kevin Spacey

i wonder if any of it took place in the dark?
cf: rick perry

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JordanRules  Nov 2, 2017 • 4:17:22pm

Regarding 45’s Twitter disappearing…

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 2, 2017 • 4:18:48pm

And you know what? If it’s Trump vs. Sanders/Warren in 2020… I am sorry. But I refuse to vote for any of them. Do I sound like Berners last year? Perhaps, but last year we HAD a great candidate in one Hillary Clinton.

I would love to see the looks on Berner’s faces when Trump beats him handily. And he would. Unfortunately, a lot more shit would come with that. Midterms are EVERYTHING.

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dangerman  Nov 2, 2017 • 4:19:35pm

re: #471 bratwurst

hey brat:

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Nyet  Nov 2, 2017 • 4:19:56pm

re: #491 MsJ

vulture.com

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 4:23:52pm

re: #500 GlutenFreeJesus

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And you know what? If it’s Trump vs. Sanders/Warren in 2020… I am sorry. But I refuse to vote for any of them. Do I sound like Berners last year? Perhaps, but last year we HAD a great candidate in one Hillary Clinton.

I would love to see the looks on Berner’s faces when Trump beats him handily. And he would. Unfortunately, a lot more shit would come with that. Midterms are EVERYTHING.

I couldn’t do that. I just wish they could see that Bernie has flaws too. And they won’t. And then there’s the whole “Neo-lib” bullshit. I’ve lost a lot of respect for some old lefty friends who have gone full Berner. They should know better. I actually feel bad for the young people who supported Sanders because he really was a terrible first presidential candidate to learn from. I have no doubt had Obama lost to Clinton in 2008, he would haev campaigned like she had for him and he would had a prominent place in her administration.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Nov 2, 2017 • 4:24:29pm

re: #462 MsJ

[Embedded content]

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gocart mozart  Nov 2, 2017 • 4:26:42pm

re: #500 GlutenFreeJesus

And you know what? If it’s Trump vs. Sanders/Warren in 2020… I am sorry. But I refuse to vote for any of them. Do I sound like Berners last year? Perhaps, but last year we HAD a great candidate in one Hillary Clinton.

If you sincerely mean that then you can sincerely go fuck yourself because you are as bad as any Stein voter. I’ll assume you are insincere.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 2, 2017 • 4:29:15pm
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MsJ  Nov 2, 2017 • 4:37:47pm

re: #502 Nyet

vulture.com

I read that the other day.

Anna that it was a known commodity? Fucking disgusting.

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Birth Control Works  Nov 2, 2017 • 5:02:04pm

WE ARE NOT GOING BACK

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Birth Control Works  Nov 2, 2017 • 5:04:13pm

re: #467 lawhawk

Fuuuuuuccckk.

Pro-Trump Billionaire owner of Gothamist (and Chicagoist and SFist and DNAInfo among others) decided to shut down their news services immediately all because the employees wanted to unionize.

This fucker doesn’t want to deal with employees, treats them like crap, and then when they try to organize to get better wages, decides to shut down everything, including the archives without so much as a warning.

He writes about all the woes be to him, but the real issue is he’s a rich bastard who didn’t think the people who created content for him were worth more.

employees are an expense, not an asset


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