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JordanRules  Nov 2, 2017 • 9:51:21pm
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austin_blue  Nov 2, 2017 • 9:52:39pm

The job creators are going to have a Shitpot more money to create jobs!

Yippee!

And giving tax breaks to the highest earners will decrease the deficit!

Hoozah!

Except that it has never worked that way, and the poor and the middle class always get screwed.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 9:54:16pm

re: #1 JordanRules

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Now I thought “Dr” Gorka would be loathe to use Goebells as an insult. Glad Oswalt gets what really happened because a lot of people do not.

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JordanRules  Nov 2, 2017 • 9:55:16pm

Grain of salt, but if true….
Woooooo!

Would we get someone better tho?

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JordanRules  Nov 2, 2017 • 9:57:35pm

re: #3 HappyWarrior

Yeah, he caught me off guard invoking Goebbels.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 9:57:45pm

re: #4 JordanRules

Grain of salt, but if true….
Woooooo!

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Would we get someone better tho?

I’m skeptical that we would and I’m scared that he’d give the job to Falwell Jr.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 10:01:35pm

re: #5 JordanRules

Yeah, he caught me off guard invoking Goebbels.

Yeah me too. How the hell this bigoted psycho got a job advising an American President is disturbing.

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JordanRules  Nov 2, 2017 • 10:03:03pm

Good Lord.

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JordanRules  Nov 2, 2017 • 10:06:00pm

re: #7 HappyWarrior

He couldn’t even get a damn security clearance. SMH
He should be deported.

What fresh hell awaits us tomorrow/today?

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Dave In Austin  Nov 2, 2017 • 10:06:18pm

Never Mind..

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 10:07:19pm

re: #9 JordanRules

He couldn’t even get a damn security clearance. SMH
He should be deported.

What fresh hell awaits us tomorrow/today?

Yep.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 2, 2017 • 10:08:06pm

And another Saturday Night is just around the corner…

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 2, 2017 • 10:13:26pm

re: #8 JordanRules

That account was created in 2014. They’ve been planning this for awhile.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 10:15:34pm

re: #13 GlutenFreeJesus

That account was created in 2014. They’ve been planning this for awhile.

I imagine it’s been in the works since Twitter’s inception and Facebook expanding to all those over 14.

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JordanRules  Nov 2, 2017 • 10:18:26pm

re: #13 GlutenFreeJesus

I just saw a piece that said the Kremlin troll op started in 2014. I’d bet that is for specific social media networks and that they were testing things in online comment sections even before that.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 10:19:59pm

re: #15 JordanRules

I just saw a piece that said the Kremlin troll op started in 2014. I’d bet that is for specific social media networks and that they were testing things in online comment sections even before that.

Wouldn’t shock me.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 10:21:53pm

What frustrates me is how many people there are in this country who want to rationalize Putin. I’ve seen it on far rightists who admire his strong man bs but also far leftists like Oliver Stone who want Russia to be a bulwark against the US and overlook Putin’s authoritarian behavior and homophobia.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 2, 2017 • 10:35:54pm

re: #14 HappyWarrior

I imagine it’s been in the works since Twitter’s inception and Facebook expanding to all those over 14.

I’d take it even further. Twitter’s founders in Putin’s pocket, and they created it just for this very reason. Eh. Dammit. Where’s my foil hat…

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teleskiguy  Nov 2, 2017 • 10:38:40pm

re: #18 GlutenFreeJesus

I’d take it even further. Twitter’s founders in Putin’s pocket, and they created it just for this very reason. Eh. Dammit. Where’s my foil hat…

I have artisan hats for sale.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 10:39:20pm

re: #18 GlutenFreeJesus

I’d take it even further. Twitter’s founders in Putin’s pocket, and they created it just for this very reason. Eh. Dammit. Where’s my foil hat…

Ha nah I don’t think so. I think they simply saw Twitter and the anonymity it has yet the ability to spread information to large amounts of people and took advantage of it. Same thing with Facebook and Facebook groups.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 2, 2017 • 10:40:13pm

Ah, so the owner’s decision to terminate DNAInfo and Gothamist was mostly to nuke chances of unionizing the staff.

thinkprogress.org

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 10:44:00pm

I think Putin implemented this no doubt but a young tech savvy aide suggested it. I don’t know how much Putin keeps up with social media innovation but that’s what I think. Manipulating social media is a much easier process than what the USSR woukd have done 30 years ago. That’s the paradox of Social Media. It connects us as I’m to you all now but it can be just as easily used to ferment division and discontent. All technology is like this but I think nothing defines it more than modern social media.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 2, 2017 • 10:45:05pm

Did you hear this? Yellen out, Powell in as head of the Fed.

money.cnn.com

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 10:46:27pm

re: #23 wheat-dogg

Did you hear this? Yellen out, Powell in as head of the Fed.

money.cnn.com

Knew Yellen was out but not Powell in.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 2, 2017 • 10:47:32pm

re: #19 teleskiguy

The one on the right please!

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wheat-dogg  Nov 2, 2017 • 10:48:52pm

re: #24 HappyWarrior

Knew Yellen was out but not Powell in.

Financial media are saying he’s a “safe” choice — a Fed insider with similar views as Yellen has re: monetary policy.

Makes me wonder why Trump prefers Powell to Yellen, but not that much. Yellen has two things working against her wrt Trump. Can you guess what they are?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 10:49:56pm

re: #26 wheat-dogg

Financial media are saying he’s a “safe” choice — a Fed insider with similar views as Yellen has re: monetary policy.

Makes me wonder why Trump prefers Powell to Yellen, but not that much. Yellen has two things working against her wrt Trump. Can you guess what they are?

A) Obama appointee and B) Jewish woman not named Ivanka.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 2, 2017 • 10:50:19pm

And it’s time to give a midterm exam to my freshman section #4 of 4. BBL

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wheat-dogg  Nov 2, 2017 • 10:51:33pm

re: #27 HappyWarrior

A) Obama appointee and B) Jewish woman not named Ivanka.

We have a winnah!

Also, she’s from NYC, and probably knows more about Trump than he’d like.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 10:52:02pm

Powell does seem a safe pick. But my guess is Trump could care less about the logistics of monetary policy and just wanted his own guy in charge of the Fed because he thinks Powell will do everything he wants.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 10:54:01pm

re: #29 wheat-dogg

We have a winnah!

Also, she’s from NYC, and probably knows more about Trump than he’d like.

It’s strange to see her forced out like this. I mean it’s not like when we went from Volcker to Greenspan in the 80’s. I’ll admit that this is an issue I don’t understand that well & to be honest I don’t think most people do.

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JordanRules  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:00:40pm

Oh. Okay.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:01:22pm

re: #32 JordanRules

Oh. Okay.

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Birds of a feather.

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teleskiguy  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:04:36pm

re: #32 JordanRules

Peyton Manning owns over 30 Papa John’s stores in the Denver area. Just sayin’.

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JordanRules  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:06:22pm

re: #34 teleskiguy

Oh yeah. I knew about him already. I’m sure he’ll be acquiring more too.

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austin_blue  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:07:20pm

re: #18 GlutenFreeJesus

I’d take it even further. Twitter’s founders in Putin’s pocket, and they created it just for this very reason. Eh. Dammit. Where’s my foil hat…

Yeah, that’s a bridge too far.

The founder’s of these social networks weren’t doing it for anything but cash. Did they leave big ass holes that could be exploited when they set up the original programming? Sure. They weren’t worried about that. They just wanted eyes on their content and ads, and the holes left openings for intrusion by bad actors.

Now, when the holes have already been exploited, and a bazillion fake accounts have invaded their platforms which click on their ads with automated click programs to make them money, they are being asked to clean up their sites. Why would they do that?

Here’s the thing. The folks who are really being ripped off are their advertisers, who see clicks as possible sales and, therefore money. Let’s say each click is worth a thousandth of a cent (blue sky figure, I have no idea). But if 20,000,000 million Drumpf Russian automated bots are programmed to click thirty ads a day on Twitter, with no intention of buying a damn thing, then Twitter’s business model collapses, because the people placing the ads will eventually twig to it.

They are stuck between a rock and a hard place until the ad buys to their site dry up. Then they will have to rework a business model that makes clicks worth the advertisers time, and that means getting rid of the bots.

It’s really up to the people that buy ads on these social networks to say “Hey! We’re getting screwed here! You aren’t really giving us value for what we paid for! 90% of our clicks, that we thought were potential customers, are just Russian bots! We’re done on this platform.”

The new Cyber Capitalism. Should be fun to watch.

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teleskiguy  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:08:07pm

I can’t remember the last time I ate a chain pizza.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:10:04pm

Frankly, there are a lot of frozen models out there that put the chains to shame.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:11:07pm

re: #23 wheat-dogg

Did you hear this? Yellen out, Powell in as head of the Fed.

money.cnn.com

Yellen will remain the FED chair until February. Trump can’t remove her until the end of her four year term.

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austin_blue  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:13:35pm

re: #37 teleskiguy

I can’t remember the last time I ate a chain pizza.

It was the last time your teeth shattered and fell out of your mouth like bloody Chicklitz.

You should have gone for the iron filings pizza with pepperoni and artichokes.

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TedStriker  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:15:41pm

re: #39 FormerDirtDart

Yellen will remain the FED chair until February. Trump can’t remove her until the end of her four year term.

And she’s still on the Fed Board of Governors until 2024, unless she leaves of her own accord or is drummed out by Trump (or whoever succeeds him) “for cause”.

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austin_blue  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:15:49pm

re: #39 FormerDirtDart

Yellen will remain the FED chair until February. Trump can’t remove her until the end of her four year term.

Powell came on in 2012, and has supported every move Yellen has made. Safest move Drumpf could have made (as far as we are concerned). Not a story. Status quo at the Fed.

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austin_blue  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:20:59pm

Well, I’m off for the rack. Sweet scaly dreams to you all.

My insane Congressman, Lamar Smith (R-Mars) is not running again. He only flies on planes with two right wings. I will sleep well just on this happy news alone.

Don’t be surprised if Mueller has a visit with Carter Page tomorrow.

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TedStriker  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:25:51pm

re: #38 Dave In Austin

Frankly, there are a lot of frozen models out there that put the chains to shame.

I posted downstairs a thread or two ago that Kroger’s thin crust extra pepperoni (the only Kroger frozen pizza in their line with pepperoni made with only pork and beef, no chicken, AFAIK) and Reggio’s “butter crust” frozen pizzas are the bomb.

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teleskiguy  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:27:32pm

re: #44 TedStriker

Lately if I want to stuff my face with greasy frozen pizza goodness Home Run Inn pies have delivered more often than not.

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JordanRules  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:28:36pm
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TedStriker  Nov 2, 2017 • 11:30:09pm

re: #45 teleskiguy

Lately if I want to stuff my face with greasy frozen pizza goodness Home Run Inn pies have delivered more often than not.

Try the Reggio’s, it’s pretty good; apparently, Reggio’s and HRI are rivals in Chicago (and in freezer cases nationwide) and serve similar stuff, even down to the “butter crust”.

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JordanRules  Nov 3, 2017 • 12:05:18am

Good thread on that DNC money that blew up today.

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VegasGolfer  Nov 3, 2017 • 12:30:23am

re: #48 JordanRules

Went over her twitter timeline, didnt see any links (to a website page) tell me what im looking at.

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Kragar  Nov 3, 2017 • 12:33:11am

Got myself a 12oz bag of HO scale coarse ground slate grey gravel

Do I know how to have fun or what?

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JordanRules  Nov 3, 2017 • 12:35:24am

re: #49 VegasGolfer

Source wasn’t listed until 27th tweet in the thread.

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Kragar  Nov 3, 2017 • 12:39:00am
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JordanRules  Nov 3, 2017 • 12:42:49am

re: #52 Kragar

That addition of Tulsi is extra gross. Hell no.

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Kragar  Nov 3, 2017 • 12:47:31am
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teleskiguy  Nov 3, 2017 • 12:53:08am
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JordanRules  Nov 3, 2017 • 12:54:31am

The Perils and Pleasures of Bartending in Antarctica
At the South Pole, the freezer is just a hole in the wall to the ice outside.

atlasobscura.com

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wheat-dogg  Nov 3, 2017 • 1:07:31am

re: #39 FormerDirtDart

Yellen will remain the FED chair until February. Trump can’t remove her until the end of her four year term.

I know that, but thanks for clarifying it.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 3, 2017 • 1:10:08am

re: #50 Kragar

Got myself a 12oz bag of HO scale coarse ground slate grey gravel

Do I know how to have fun or what?

Only if you’re using it for ballast under the tracks.

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Kragar  Nov 3, 2017 • 1:13:23am

re: #58 wheat-dogg

Only if you’re using it for ballast under the tracks.

Turfing for Cadian urban combat units and Genestealer cultists

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VegasGolfer  Nov 3, 2017 • 1:14:59am

re: #51 JordanRules

I see a money value, what are we trying to say about that?

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teleskiguy  Nov 3, 2017 • 1:15:11am
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JordanRules  Nov 3, 2017 • 1:23:38am

re: #60 VegasGolfer

re: #60 VegasGolfer

Check out all 33 tweets in the thread. Which specific money value are you asking about?

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LastYearsMan  Nov 3, 2017 • 1:25:02am

re: #61 teleskiguy

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Some good advice here on how to fight RWNJs, using Korea as a case study.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 3, 2017 • 1:25:31am

re: #59 Kragar

Turfing for Cadian urban combat units and Genestealer cultists

Oh, well, OK then.

{walks away, scratching head}

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 3, 2017 • 1:32:35am

re: #4 JordanRules

Grain of salt, but if true….
Woooooo!

Betsy DeVos to step down

Would we get someone better tho?

Same applies to Trump himself

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 3, 2017 • 1:33:49am

re: #8 JordanRules

Account with 70,000 followers, quoted by CNN, BBC, WaPo…and even debated McFaul, turns out to be a Russian troll

When “trending on Twitter” became the basis for a valid news item, I knew that the days of our Republic were numbered…

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Kragar  Nov 3, 2017 • 1:34:50am

re: #64 wheat-dogg

When you’re working on models, you have them mounted on plain plastic bases.

One of the last things you do is put turfing on the base, using a mixture of water, woodglue and liquid dish soap, and whatever material you use for the base, in this case, a desert stone mix.

For an urban environment, I chose the slate so it looks like broken concrete and rubble.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 3, 2017 • 1:35:39am

re: #17 HappyWarrior

What frustrates me is how many people there are in this country who want to rationalize Putin. I’ve seen it on far rightists who admire his strong man bs but also far leftists like Oliver Stone who want Russia to be a bulwark against the US and overlook Putin’s authoritarian behavior and homophobia.

He stands for everything they want in our country: Autocracy, Oligarchy and Theocracy. Only difference being that they want their state religion to be Protestant Fundamentalism instead of Orthodoxy.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 3, 2017 • 1:36:32am

re: #67 Kragar

When you’re working on models, you have them mounted on plain plastic bases.

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For an urban environment, I chose the slate so it looks like broken concrete and rubble.

OK, cool! More interesting than plain plastic, for sure.

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Kragar  Nov 3, 2017 • 1:38:44am

re: #69 wheat-dogg

For these guys, I used a coarse iron gravel mix

For my Chaos guys, I went with a coal ash mix

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JordanRules  Nov 3, 2017 • 1:40:15am

re: #66 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Media was shit well before that IMO.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 3, 2017 • 1:40:31am

re: #70 Kragar

My 11-year-old son wants WW1 figures for Christmas, so I have been working on the original storm troopers.

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Kragar  Nov 3, 2017 • 1:42:20am

re: #72 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

My 11-year-old son wants WW1 figures for Christmas, so I have been working on the original storm troopers.

Thin coats, and don’t forget to do a wash.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 3, 2017 • 1:49:00am

re: #73 Kragar

Thin coats, and don’t forget to do a wash.

I am knocking these guys out en masse…in enamels even, to save the priming step (I usually work in acrylics for my Napoleonic and Samurai figures) with thinned paint to fill out the cracks and folds and dry-brushing to bring up the highlights.

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Teukka  Nov 3, 2017 • 1:55:35am

re: #63 LastYearsMan

Some good advice here on how to fight RWNJs, using Korea as a case study.

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Ohh, chock full of chocolaty goodness :)

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wheat-dogg  Nov 3, 2017 • 1:59:03am

Rising sea levels will doom several major cities in Egypt, Asia and the Americas.

theguardian.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 3, 2017 • 2:45:29am

re: #71 JordanRules

Media was shit well before that IMO.

Yes, it was on its way downhill, but “trending on Twitter” was their excuse to fire their research staff and install an unpaid intern to fish for content.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 3, 2017 • 2:46:31am

re: #77 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Yes, it was on its way downhill, but “trending on Twitter” was their excuse to fire their research staff and install an unpaid intern to fish for content.

It’s the modern equivalent of “rumors heard in the supermarket.”

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 3, 2017 • 2:48:46am

re: #23 wheat-dogg

Did you hear this? Yellen out, Powell in as head of the Fed.

money.cnn.com

Fed no longer jellin’ with Yellen?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 3, 2017 • 2:49:08am

re: #78 wheat-dogg

It’s the modern equivalent of “rumors heard in the supermarket.”

That would be bad enough, but it was not long before people like Drudge and Breitbart learned how to plant and push contrived or distorted stories in the Internet just to see them get picked up by the major outlets and discussed as if they really had any real substance to them.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 3, 2017 • 2:51:38am
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Dave In Austin  Nov 3, 2017 • 2:58:37am
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Dr Lizardo  Nov 3, 2017 • 3:31:52am

re: #82 Dave In Austin

I heard that from some quarters during the campaign - “Trump was involved with the Mob back in the 70’s”.

Yeah….he was a real estate developer. In NYC. In the 1970’s. Having to cooperate at some level with the Five Families was pretty much unavoidable in that era, as the Mob basically owned the construction business back then. There was little else he could do.

I can’t stand Trump, but on that issue, well……. I’ll give him a pass, simply owing to the time and place. I don’t like it, but it was a very different time and things need to be understood in their proper historical context.

My boss, who’s from NYC, we were talking about this and he said, “Hell, the Mob practically ran New York City back then; Trump really didn’t have a lotta choice in the matter, not if he wanted to get anything done. That’s just how it was.”

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I cannot.  Nov 3, 2017 • 3:40:24am

re: #83 Dr Lizardo

I’ll give him a bit of leeway on that issue too, except if someone @ me about his negotiating skills or his toughness on any issue…

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Dave In Austin  Nov 3, 2017 • 3:41:28am

re: #83 Dr Lizardo

Wouldn’t you agree tha in that time the hand of the mob in the city has pretty much turned to the Russians? And after the 80’s, Putin pretty much assumed that leadership as well? With all that the money laundering thru real estate was a easy follow. The man couldn’t get credit in the country to save his soul(what little there is)… And as we all know, Jr. said they had a resource on the Volga.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 3, 2017 • 3:42:11am

re: #84 I cannot.

I’ll give him a bit of leeway on that issue too, except if someone @ me about his negotiating skills or his toughness on any issue…

His negotiating skills were probably shit back then too. Maybe marginally sharper, but not much. I doubt he was ever tough, especially if he were confronted with some real goombah. He’d fold like a cheap suit.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 3, 2017 • 3:45:37am

re: #85 Dave In Austin

Wouldn’t you agree tha in that time the hand of the mob in the city has pretty much turned to the Russians? And after the 80’s, Putin pretty much assumed that leadership as well? With all that the money laundering thru real estate was a easy follow. The man couldn’t get credit in the country to save his soul(what little there is)… And as we all know, Jr. said they had a resource on the Volga.

Yeah, the Russian Mob has a major presence all along the Eastern Seaboard. I’m sure the Five Families still have a strong presence, but it’s more hidden now. The ’60s and ’70s were the twilight of the Mafia’s “golden age”. It was all downhill from there, and the Russians stepped in to fill the vacuum.

I’d reckon Trump’s money laundering activities would’ve begun in earnest in the 1990’s, after the collapse of the USSR, when suddenly there was a whole lotta money that needed to be squirreled away.

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Shropshire Slasher  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:01:28am

That was a pretty good eff you on your last day, shutting down the President’s twitter account. Probably galvanizes the Presidents supporters too.

Golf Clap.

Men at work Golf Clap Short

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:07:54am

re: #88 Shropshire Slasher

That was a pretty good eff you on your last day, shutting down the President’s twitter account. Probably galvanizes the Presidents supporters too.

It will be offered as proof of the unwarranted persecution the Prez has to endure every day at the hands of Hateful Liberals.

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Shropshire Slasher  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:09:01am

NYSP arrest woman accused of stealing cheesecake from Nuns of New Skete

New York State Police arrested a woman they say stole $250 worth of cheesecake and pastries from the Nuns of New Skete in the town of White Creek.

I don’t think those arrested are going to heaven.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:25:38am

Its Twitter feed is particularly deranged this morning. That is to say, it is a day ending in “day”

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Shropshire Slasher  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:26:02am

Russian hackers ruined Grand Theft auto, twitter, the elections, and everything wholesome and good. Who woulda thunk it? I’ve been killing Nazis for the better part of three days, and now I gotta cough up another $60 for Call of Duty WWII?! Fine, I will take one for the team, Nazis still quake at the sound of my name.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:43:24am

WTF

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:49:45am

Why do people do this?

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:53:16am

Cheeto Pendejo is spamming deranged Tweets about the DNC because that’s all Fox & Friends is talking about.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:56:23am

re: #93 The Vicious Babushka

She looks robotic.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 3, 2017 • 4:59:33am

re: #96 wheat-dogg

She looks robotic.

Her outfit. It looks all wrong, like she put on somebody else’s clothes. Somebody else who is much shorter and fatter than she is.

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I cannot.  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:00:08am

Due to my prescription plan, I am unable to purchase from most pharmacies (I work at a refail company with pharmacies in-store “I owe my health to the company store”).

The drug I currently take for seizures is currently unavailable in generic form here, I think. 60 pills of Vimpat 150 mg costs about $800 (holy crap until I reach my yearly deductible, then $20 after that).

I checked a Canadian online pharmacy, and I can get 800 pills of lacosamide (generic form) for less than $500. THIRTEEN TIMES more, for two-thirds the price. OVER A YEARS SUPPLY.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:03:10am

re: #98 I cannot.

Due to my prescription plan, I am unable to purchase from most pharmacies (I work at a refail company with pharmacies in-store “I owe my health to the company store”).

The drug I currently take for seizures is currently unavailable in generic form here, I think. 60 pills of Vimpat 150 mg costs about $800 (holy crap until I reach my yearly deductible, then $20 after that).

I checked a Canadian online pharmacy, and I can get 800 pills of lacosamide (generic form) for less than $500. THIRTEEN TIMES more, for two-thirds the price. OVER A YEARS SUPPLY.

Because Free Market

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wheat-dogg  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:03:13am

re: #97 The Vicious Babushka

Her outfit. It looks all wrong, like she put on somebody else’s clothes. Somebody else who is much shorter and fatter than she is.

That, too. It’s unsuitable for meeting with the PM of a nation. Or really, at any time besides a 1960s Carnaby Street- themed party.

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Shropshire Slasher  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:07:24am

re: #93 The Vicious Babushka

Reminds me of this:

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:07:54am

Back later…..off to teach.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:10:02am

Half of Hair Furor’s tweets are about how horrible the Justice Department is, I wouldn’t be shocked if this was Session’s last day…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:13:44am

re: #103 b.d. (bill d.)

Half of Hair Furor’s tweets are about how horrible the Justice Department is, I wouldn’t be shocked if this was Session’s last day…

In one sense, he is right: Justice in America is a joke.

The fact that Trump has not been indicted for violations of the Emoluments Clause, conflicts of interest, collusion and obstruction of justice is proof of that.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:14:04am

re: #100 wheat-dogg

That, too. It’s unsuitable for meeting with the PM of a nation. Or really, at any time besides a 1960s Carnaby Street- themed party.

I think she was going for this look:

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lawhawk  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:18:22am

Greets and saluts from the Resistance in the NYC metro area. The GOP tax plan is a dud, and the Senate will basically be starting from scratch because the plan is unsustainable and the CBO would fail it with extreme prejudice.

The GOP doesn’t do math, and they are again failing in the same ways they did with the Trumpcare fiasco. They push massive cuts for the rich, and screw everyone else, and the debt run up on this shows that they aren’t about fiscal responsibility but about shifting the burdens from the rich to everyone else.

Those burdens are direct and indirect. The GOP would use the debt as a demand to slash spending, which would be a second hit on the rest of the nation. All the while, rich folks see all the benefits and none of the burdens.

The passthrough scheme is essentially the Kansas disaster writ large. Passthrough tax rate cut to 20% means that corporations and millionaires like Trump could structure their businesses in a way that they’d pay less than anyone in the middle class.

That’s the point of the passthrough entity - the income passes through to the individual or corporate entity owner who pays tax at their income tax rate bracket.

Trump who if truly a billionaire with income to match would be paying 39.6% before deductions, would find themselves with nearly a 50% cut on passthrough income down to 20% before deductions.

Meanwhile, someone in the middle class would be paying 25% with limited deductions because the GOP eliminated the ones most likely to be useful to them.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:18:47am

re: #105 The Vicious Babushka

I think she was going for this look:

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Well, it would have worked in the 1960s, but everyone would have realized she was ripping off Jackie’s designer. Now, it just looks stupid.

Apparently, no one in the Trump family has any fashion sense. Declassé

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lawhawk  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:20:12am

Oh, and Trump ranting and raving this morning means that there’s likely to be Mueller Monday, Part II this coming Monday. Watch for the next round of Mueller indictments…. we saw this last week too. When the GOP chattering class began projecting about Podesta and Clinton it masked fact that Mueller went to town on Manafort, Gates, and Papadopoulos with indictments, and a guilty plea.

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I cannot.  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:20:38am
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bill d. (b.d.)  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:21:50am

re: #104 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

In one sense, he is right: Justice in America is a joke.

The fact that Trump has not been indicted for violations of the Emoluments Clause, conflicts of interest, collusion and obstruction of justice is proof of that.

Sessions is such a weasely snake that Trump should be careful in firing him, Beauregard probably has a ton of paperwork screwing Trump already filled out.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:21:53am

re: #109 I cannot.

The word. What word? WTF does he mean?

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bill d. (b.d.)  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:22:46am

re: #109 I cannot.

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Trump is POTUS and is worrying that some people might not be paying attention to him?

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lawhawk  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:23:00am

re: #109 I cannot.

And that tweet means what exactly… he’s having an impact? That people are sick and tired of his shit? That people see the value of ending his Twitter access because he violates the TOS? That he’s a right wing radio talk show caller Donny Two Scoops from Queens who spews nonsensical ravings every Tuesday on the Mark Levin show?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:24:04am

re: #111 wheat-dogg

The word. What word? WTF does he mean?

The word that Justice is a Joke, Islam is a Threat, Government Regulations and Taxes kill Jobs and that our Southern History and Heritage are under threat by Liberal Iconoclasts.

Just for starters…

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bill d. (b.d.)  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:24:34am

Trump will never has as many Twitter followers as Justin Bieber.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:24:59am

re: #110 b.d. (bill d.)

Sessions is such a weasely snake that Trump should be careful in firing him, Beauregard probably has a ton of paperwork screwing Trump already filled out.

Sessions is the kind of person who speaks nice about you to your face, while secretly sharpening the knife he’ll plunge into your back when you don’t expect it.

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Shropshire Slasher  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:26:15am
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bill d. (b.d.)  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:30:15am

re: #116 wheat-dogg

Sessions is the kind of person who speaks nice about you to your face, while secretly sharpening the knife he’ll plunge into your back when you don’t expect it.

I could see him rolling on Trump to prevent a perjury charge.

:)

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lawhawk  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:33:34am

re: #118 b.d. (bill d.)

Considering that Clovis already testified to Mueller without anyone in admin knowing for weeks, and that Papadopoulos entered guilty plea months ago and none had a whiff of knowledge, there’s a good chance others in the admin are already spilling their guts to Mueller plus more pleas/indictments are out there.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:34:03am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:34:42am

re: #76 wheat-dogg

Rising sea levels will doom several major cities in Egypt, Asia and the Americas.

theguardian.com

Oh, try telling that to my brainwashed family who are all convinced that JC and his Sonshine Band are going to turn that Holy Hoover Vacuum Cleaner on in a couple weeks and rapture them into Hay-Venn…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:36:22am

re: #109 I cannot.

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Oh, I’m still pissed off that Orange Foolius blocked me on Twitter. I got a real set of zingers to sting that fat fart with!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:39:16am

re: #119 lawhawk

Considering that Clovis already testified to Mueller without anyone in admin knowing for weeks, and that Papadopoulos entered guilty plea months ago and none had a whiff of knowledge, there’s a good chance others in the admin are already spilling their guts to Mueller plus more pleas/indictments are out there.

Mueller was keeping mum, driving our scandal-hungry press dippy, but slowly and securely moving his pieces into place before pouncing.

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William Lewis  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:45:59am

re: #97 The Vicious Babushka

Her outfit. It looks all wrong, like she put on somebody else’s clothes. Somebody else who is much shorter and fatter than she is.

Is that the problem? I always wondered why I didn’t think she was as good looking as many seem to think.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:49:13am

re: #123 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Mueller was keeping mum, driving our scandal-hungry press dippy, but slowly and securely moving his pieces into place before pouncing.

I admire Mueller. He knows what he’s up against and there is no doubt in my mind that if President Shithead fires the KKKeebler Elf and puts in a stooge to fire him that Mueller has Plan B ready to nail the Nazi Nincompoop with Schneiderman, Becerra and other State Attorneys General.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:50:14am

Last night I made baked doughnuts.

They came out OK I guess, just kind of heavy. Maybe I should use less flour next time.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:51:09am

re: #93 The Vicious Babushka

WTF

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The Prime Minister needs a set of rabies shots after encountering the Stepford Princess!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:51:53am

re: #125 Joe Bacon 🌹

I admire Mueller. He knows what he’s up against and there is no doubt in my mind that if President Shithead fires the KKKeebler Elf and puts in a stooge to fire him that Mueller has Plan B ready to nail the Nazi Nincompoop with Schneiderman, Becerra and other State Attorneys General.

I am certain that he spent a lot of time making sure that all options and contingencies were covered, that everything he presented was irreproachable and unassailable.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:51:55am

re: #126 The Vicious Babushka

Last night I made baked doughnuts.

They came out OK I guess, just kind of heavy. Maybe I should use less flour next time.

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DELICIOUS—especially with a cup of Nespresso!

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bill d. (b.d.)  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:53:33am

re: #126 The Vicious Babushka

Last night I made baked doughnuts.

They came out OK I guess, just kind of heavy. Maybe I should use less flour next time.

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NEED!!!

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Citizen K  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:54:50am

re: #123 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Mueller was keeping mum, driving our scandal-hungry press dippy, but slowly and securely moving his pieces into place before pouncing.

The sad thing is, Mueller seems to be doing everything right, playing his cards close to the chest, and not betraying anything until it’s time for a hammer to drop.

Just that we as a country seem to need those regular updates to keep us from getting distracted by the latest ratfucking du jour and keep them from being seeded into the American consciousness (at least prevent it as much as possible, considering our Media would probably chase the squirrel regardless) and creating either an unpenetrable ‘both sides same thing’ environment, or worse, the situation the Vox article above suggested of ‘so who cares?’. We need constant, repeated reminders of just how much this is not fucking normal, in the face of the attempted normalization from the FNCs and Habermans around us.

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I cannot.  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:55:00am

re: #126 The Vicious Babushka

You could probably start a small mail-order bakery business, just off of your fellow lizards…

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Dave In Austin  Nov 3, 2017 • 5:57:03am

re: #126 The Vicious Babushka

I’d squash one of those in a waffle iron just to see how it would come out. Then I pour maple syrup all over it.

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Shropshire Slasher  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:00:08am

Dammit, now I want second breffist. I am buying, who is flying?

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makeitstop  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:00:55am

Man, if that ‘I’m the only one who matters’ clip isn’t tailor-made for some scathing political ads, I don’t know what is.

Also, very foggy here on LI this morning. Weather is…confused.

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Citizen K  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:06:48am

re: #135 makeitstop

Man, if that ‘I’m the only one who matters’ clip isn’t tailor-made for some scathing political ads, I don’t know what is.

Also, very foggy here on LI this morning. Weather is…confused.

It really should be pounced on. Unfortunately, we seem to have one half of the Dem party intent on making the elections from here to ‘20 all a referendum on Hillary and Hillary alone. I swear that it’s going to happen.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:10:30am

re: #136 Citizen K

It really should be pounced on. Unfortunately, we seem to have one half of the Dem party intent on making the elections from here to ‘20 all a referendum on Hillary and Hillary alone. I swear that it’s going to happen.

It is so frustrating to watch man. I’m worried about the future of the left.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:10:50am

The comments are horrid….

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dangerman  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:12:11am

re: #37 teleskiguy

I can’t remember the last time I ate a chain pizza.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:12:31am

re: #137 HappyWarrior

It is so frustrating to watch man. I’m worried about the future of the left.

and the way their insistence on maintaining ideological purity makes them so susceptible to being punked and ratfucked…

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fern01  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:12:50am

re: #93 The Vicious Babushka

WTF

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She thinks she is Jackie Kennedy and the world will fall in love with her. The whole thing would be farcical if it wasn’t decimating the United States - and those who used to be their allies.

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Citizen K  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:14:14am

At least there’s a minor bit of schadenfreude to enjoy this morning:

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:15:22am

re: #140 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and the way their insistence on maintaining ideological purity makes them so susceptible to being punked and ratfucked…

Well yeah I said I was worried and that’s a big part of why.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:16:59am

re: #138 Dave In Austin

The comments are horrid….

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What frustrates me is this. We have moved further left to the point where support for a fifteen dollar minimum wage is a mainstream position.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:19:05am

Well, Donna Brazile just gave Fox & Cheeto their talking points for the next 4 years

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:20:00am

The thing about the ideological purists is they know nothing about building a party that can compete nationally. They just think oh sound like Bernie and all will be fine. TBH I always found it funny that the Bros got on HRC’s campaign for Michigan and Wisconsin given that it was their candidate that completely dismissed HRC winning Southern states because in Bernie’s own words “Those states are heavily Republican.” Nevermind that the Southern states are where African-Americans make their voice felt loudest in our party.

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Citizen K  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:20:38am

re: #144 HappyWarrior

What frustrates me is this. We have moved further left to the point where support for a fifteen dollar minimum wage is a mainstream position.

Like, seriously, much of the final Dem platform for ‘16 either already had most of what Bernie supported, but adopted much of is where it wasn’t already part of the platform. People still act like the party is full of DLC hacks and Blue Dogs, most of which went extinct in ‘10 after they tried to run away from the party and Obama fast as they could.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:20:42am

re: #145 The Vicious Babushka

Well, Donna Brazile just gave Fox & Cheeto their talking points for the next 4 years

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She’s such a goddamned idiot. Great job Donna.

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Citizen K  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:21:44am

re: #145 The Vicious Babushka

Well, Donna Brazile just gave Fox & Cheeto their talking points for the next 4 years

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Sigh…

I hate everything.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:21:59am

re: #147 Citizen K

Like, seriously, much of the final Dem platform for ‘16 either already had most of what Bernie supported, but adopted much of is where it wasn’t already part of the platform. People still act like the party is full of DLC hacks and Blue Dogs, most of which went extinct in ‘10 after they tried to run away from the party and Obama fast as they could.

I mentioned it yesterday but I’m very familiar with Chairman Perez since Montgomery County is across the river from me and he was Labor Secretary when I looked for work there. The man is as progressive as it gets and he gets likened to the Blue Dogs and DLC. I just do not get it. And as much as I like Keith Ellison, the only reason they supported him is that he was a former Bernie supporter.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:23:21am

Hillary stole the nomination away from me too! And O’Malley!!

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bill d. (b.d.)  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:24:30am

If Hillary had won the election the GOP would already be half-way towards impeaching President Kaine at this point…

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Citizen K  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:27:03am

I just have this horrific, sinking feeling that this last-minute bullshit is another surprise that will end up costing us seats we can’t afford to lose. Particularly the VA Gov. I’d love to be proven wrong, but even if it costs us JUST that….christ….

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:27:19am

Had a “convo” with a bro last night that went basically like this:

Bro: Hillary rigged the primary.

Me: Bernie signed on to the very same financial agreement.

Bro: She wrote a book blaming everyone else.

Me: Donna did too.

Bro: Bernie would have won.

Me: He couldn’t even win the primary.

Bro: It was rigged for Hillary.

Me: as I showed you, it wasn’t. Name one piece of legislation Bernie has passed in his 30 years in government.

Bro: He works for the people. He wants $15/h and free college.

Me: He can’t even get $15/h in his home state of Vermont.

Bro - I guess he’s sleeping. Haven’t heard anything in 9 hours.

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dangerman  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:28:08am

re: #107 wheat-dogg

Well, it would have worked in the 1960s, but everyone would have realized she was ripping off Jackie’s designer. Now, it just looks stupid.

Apparently, no one in the Trump family has any fashion sense. Declassé

“Having lots of money is no guarantee of good taste, but it can make the lack of it more glaringly obvious”

(The Pale Criminal: A Bernie Gunther Novel - Philip Kerr)
H/t bratwurst

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:28:51am

We on the left can be our own worst enemy. We did it to Obama too. Is Hillary perfect? No but she would have been a lot better than Trump is. I wouldn’t be reading about children with critical illnesses being snatched by ICE. I wouldn’t have to worry about a POTUS being crude to a Gold Star widow and her family. I wouldn’t worry about a Betsy Devos type impacting my niece’s education. I wouldn’t worry about the executive branch favoring homophobes over the rights of LGBT people. Here’s what frustrates me the most though. A lot of the Bros I know aren’t young. They’re middle aged. They definitely would remember 2000 and how it resulted in Bush. But still they do this. Agh. I think we’re going to be able to beat Trump in 2020 but a long term strong liberal left, I’m less optimistic about because too many want leftward or bust.

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makeitstop  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:29:51am

re: #146 HappyWarrior

The thing about the ideological purists is they know nothing about building a party that can compete nationally. They just think oh sound like Bernie and all will be fine.

But Brazile is, when you get down to it, an apparatchik. She’s been in politics a long time, she knows how this shit works.

She’s trying to spike her book sales. I always thought she had more integrity than that. I was wrong.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:31:03am

re: #154 GlutenFreeJesus

Had a “convo” with a bro last night that went basically like this:

Bro: Hillary rigged the primary.

Me: Bernie signed on to the very same financial agreement.

Bro: She wrote a book blaming everyone else.

Me: Donna did too.

Bro: Bernie would have won.

Me: He couldn’t even win the primary.

Bro: It was rigged for Hillary.

Me: as I showed you, it wasn’t. Name one piece of legislation Bernie has passed in his 30 years in government.

Bro: He works for the people. He wants $15/h and free college.

Me: He can’t even get $15/h in his home state of Vermont.

Bro - I guess he’s sleeping. Haven’t heard anything in 9 hours.

He’s a pretty poor legislator. I think learning that was a big reason why while I at first appreciated his entry to the race came to the quick conclusion he wouldn’t be a good President. Too many idealogues left and right think someone having great ideas is the key to be being a good President. Our best Presidents have been excellent at understanding legislation and yes deal making.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:32:45am

re: #155 dangerman

(The Pale Criminal: A Bernie Gunther Novel - Philip Kerr)
H/t bratwurst

Added to my book queue

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Hecuba's daughter  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:33:18am

re: #52 Kragar

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Tinfoil hat here — but I think Bernie is a Russian asset just like Jill and Trump. Obviously he’s smarter than both of them and his ties to Russia are not for money (like Trump) but because as a forever socialist who honeymooned in Russia and who recently voted against the increased sanctions, he believed in Communist Russia.

Of course the Democrats turned out to be smarter than the Republicans. But Putin must have been laughing all the way to the bank when he saw his accomplishments here. Disrupting both political parties and destroying our nation.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:33:37am

re: #157 makeitstop

But Brazile is, when you get down to it, an apparatchik. She’s been in politics a long time, she knows how this shit works.

She’s trying to spike her book sales. I always thought she had more integrity than that. I was wrong.

No doubt. She does and that’s why this is so frustrating. If we want to go after Sanders voters through the war of ideas, I’m fine with that but pandering to their conspiracy theories about the DNC stealing the nomination from Sanders even though despite it being a primary and there being less votes, Clinton actually got more votes than Sanders than she did from Trump. Look it up. She won the popular vote by 10+%. And before they complain about closed primaries, I’ll point out that Bernie heavily benefited from the actual undemocratic caucus system. You don’t get to complain about a party wanting its own voters to nominate its canddiates than push for more caucuses which is what his allies are doing.

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jeffreyw  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:33:41am

Imgur


Good morning!

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:34:00am

re: #158 HappyWarrior

In his 16 years in the House, he passed exactly 1 piece of legislation.

“But he keeps being re-elected!”

Yeah. In Lilly-white Vermont, population <700k.

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wheat-dogg  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:34:35am

re: #158 HappyWarrior

He’s a pretty poor legislator. I think learning that was a big reason why while I at first appreciated his entry to the race came to the quick conclusion he wouldn’t be a good President. Too many idealogues left and right think someone having great ideas is the key to be being a good President. Our best Presidents have been excellent at understanding legislation and yes deal making.

Neither of which Trump has as skills. His idea of presidenting is declaring things will be done, then blaming others when they aren’t.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:35:20am

re: #160 Hecuba’s daughter

Tinfoil hat here — but I think Bernie is a Russian asset just like Jill and Trump. Obviously he’s smarter than both of them and his ties to Russia are not for money (like Trump) but because as a forever socialist who honeymooned in Russia and who recently voted against the increased sanctions, he believed in Communist Russia.

Of course the Democrats turned out to be smarter than the Republicans. But Putin must have been laughing all the way to the bank when he saw his accomplishments here. Disrupting both political parties and destroying our nation.

I do think you are being Tinfoil there in my personal opinion.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:37:18am

re: #163 GlutenFreeJesus

In his 16 years in the House, he passed exactly 1 piece of legislation.

“But he keeps being re-elected!”

Yeah. In Lilly-white Vermont, population <700k.

I mean obviously there’s nothing wrong with a small and homogeneous state but i do think that has blinded him to cultural issues and it’s why unfortunately he’s very dismissive of “identity politics”. I guess when your state has less racial minorities than the county of my birth, you can be that way.

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dangerman  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:37:25am

re: #151 b.d. (bill d.)

Hillary stole the nomination away from me too! And O’Malley!!

She stole the nom from everyone who got less votes than her

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Sir John Barron  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:37:37am

re: #154 GlutenFreeJesus

How were the primaries supposedly “rigged” for Hillary?

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:38:21am

re: #168 Sir John Barron

How were the primaries supposedly “rigged” for Hillary?

Black people voting.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:39:27am

re: #164 wheat-dogg

Neither of which Trump has as skills. His idea of presidenting is declaring things will be done, then blaming others when they aren’t.

TBH I was worried that if Bernie were elected, he’d be forced into just doing a lot of Presidenting by EO and having a lot of his EOs reversed by challenges by Republican Attorney Generals. I really think a lot of Sanders diehards including a lot of people close to me just overlooked his weaknesses and were so happy to have someone who was unashamed to be a far lefty rather than a more moderate liberal like HRC and Obama though as some have pointed out, his record really isn’t that radical- he and HRC voted over 90% of the same together in office.

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dangerman  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:39:51am

re: #137 HappyWarrior

It is so frustrating to watch man. I’m worried about the future of the left.

Just cause the R’s are self destructing (yes I think they are) doesn’t mean we have to follow suit

Gifted an opportunity. Take it. Don’t copy the losers

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Sir John Barron  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:39:52am

re: #95 The Vicious Babushka

Cheeto Pendejo is spamming deranged Tweets about the DNC because that’s all Fox & Friends is talking about.

Distraction. That’s all he’s got.

Oh yeah, his campaign manager was indicted this week, charged with conspiracy against the US, and his foreign policy advisor pled guilty to lying to the mutherfking FBI. But, yeah, OK, Fox and Friends.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:41:17am

re: #169 The Vicious Babushka

Black people voting.

And Sanders still sucks at minority outreach. And don’t take my word, take the Vermont NAACP head’s word.
thedailybeast.com

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meteor  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:42:12am

re: #151 b.d. (bill d.)

Plus she stole my cat. And I didn’t even have a cat.

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Sir John Barron  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:43:20am

re: #34 teleskiguy

Peyton Manning owns over 30 Papa John’s stores in the Denver area. Just sayin’.

There are 30 Papa John’s in the Denver area?

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dangerman  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:43:26am

re: #159 wheat-dogg

Added to my book queue

Brat turned me/us on to it last week

I’ve devoured the first three already

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:43:51am

re: #175 Sir John Barron

There are 30 Papa John’s in the Denver area?

I can believe that. There’s a lot here in the DC Metro area.

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Weaselone  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:43:59am

At this point who cares. re: #165 HappyWarrior

I do think you are being Tinfoil there in my personal opinion.

Seconded. I believe that the Russians put their finger on the scale during the primaries for him to stoke division on the left, maybe even steered some people towards his campaign, but I doubt Bernie knew it was happening, let alone actively participated in it. I’ll note, that it looks like they did some stoking of anti-Bernie sentiments on the Hillary side of things as well, so it’s not like any side is impervious to Russian meddling.

I would also like to note that while Bernie hasn’t exactly been helpful to the high profile Virginia races, he hasn’t seemed to take any actions that could be looked at as potentially harmful either. Brazile’s book on the other hand…While I doubt it will ultimately have an impact one way or the other in Virginia, the timing is just atrocious. She could have gotten the same right and left wing eyeballs by releasing it a week earlier or later without the potential to impact the Virginia and New Jersey elections.

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dangerman  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:45:05am

re: #168 Sir John Barron

How were the primaries supposedly “rigged” for Hillary?

Everybody didn’t vote for Bernie

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Mike Lamb  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:45:47am

re: #168 Sir John Barron

How were the primaries supposedly “rigged” for Hillary?

Because in most states, you had to be, you know, a Democrat to vote in the primaries. That, and math has a well known Clinton bias. Oh, and something, something super-delegates.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:45:57am
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wheat-dogg  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:46:14am

re: #176 dangerman

Brat turned me/us on to it last week

I’ve devoured the first three already

Too many good reads out there. I can’t keep up. I’m a sucker for a good crime novel.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:48:00am

re: #178 Weaselone

At this point who cares.

Seconded. I believe that the Russians put their finger on the scale during the primaries for him to stoke division on the left, maybe even steered some people towards his campaign, but I doubt Bernie knew it was happening, let alone actively participated in it. I’ll note, that it looks like they did some stoking of anti-Bernie sentiments on the Hillary side of things as well, so it’s not like any side is impervious to Russian meddling.

I would also like to note that while Bernie hasn’t exactly been helpful to the high profile Virginia races, he hasn’t seemed to take any actions that could be looked at as potentially harmful either. Brazile’s book on the other hand…While I doubt it will ultimately have an impact one way or the other in Virginia, the timing is just atrocious. She could have gotten the same right and left wing eyeballs by releasing it a week earlier or later without the potential to impact the Virginia and New Jersey elections.

A lot of people are worried about it impacting Virginia. I’m less so since Bernie really wasn’t popular here. I agree though. I think the Russians used his campaign to ferment chaos and division. I don’t see Sanders as a Russian agent. And I definitely agree that Bernie has been far from helpful here in Virginia. Someone who is supposedly as popular as he is with college students could be going to our college campuses near D.C. telling the kids why Northam is the better choice but he chooses those Town Halls that he thinks are his ticket in 2020. There’s a lot of legitimate criticism of Sanders to be made but I disagree that he’s a Russian asset.

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dangerman  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:50:02am

re: #178 Weaselone

…She could have gotten the same right and left wing eyeballs by releasing it a week earlier or later without the potential to impact the Virginia and New Jersey elections.

It was selfish me based scheduling. Not strategic /political ..party..country..effects

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:50:58am

re: #180 Mike Lamb

Because in most states, you had to be, you know, a Democrat to vote in the primaries. That, and math has a well known Clinton bias. Oh, and something, something super-delegates.

I hate how they whine about the closed primaries which I admit I wasn’t super fond of either but have no problem with the caucuses. When I explained the caucus system to my brother, a casual Sanders supporter, he hated the idea. It’s actually part of why he didn’t vote. He’s got a family, full time job, and is attending school. I really much prefer primaries to caucuses.

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I cannot.  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:51:34am

re: #182 wheat-dogg

One I’ve got on my list is “Where the Dead Lay”, I didn’t realize it when I saw it, I just checked out the little bit in the front…

I live in Indianapolis, and it is SET there. I could feel the potholes of Shadeland Avenue because I had felt them, and I had to buy it. No idea if its good or not, I just had to buy it because there aren’t a lot of books set here.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:52:25am

re: #168 Sir John Barron

How were the primaries supposedly “rigged” for Hillary?

Many states had closed primaries…that meant that all those Millennials who had registered as “independent” were not allowed to participate in them…

Bernie could have played a big role in helping Democrats win in 2016. But that was not in his personal or political interest. Instead, he wound up being a considerable factor in their ultimate defeat.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:53:18am
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wheat-dogg  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:53:33am

re: #186 I cannot.

One I’ve got on my list is “Where the Dead Lay”, I didn’t realize it when I saw it, I just checked out the little bit in the front…

I live in Indianapolis, and it is SET there. I could feel the potholes of Shadeland Avenue because I had felt them, and I had to buy it. No idea if its good or not, I just had to buy it because there aren’t a lot of books set here.

Same reason I watched the Longmire series, which is set in Wyoming, where I once lived. I just started reading the novels after I found one in a second-hand book store in Denver.

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Citizen K  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:54:40am

After Charlottesville, More Counterprotesters Are Being Arrested Than White Supremacists

The “Unite the Right” rally on August 12 left one dead, 19 injured, and the city of Charlottesville in a state of turmoil and fear. In its aftermath, local leaders hurriedly vowed that justice would be served and order and safety restored. Most assumed this meant that the white supremacists who committed violent assaults on people of color, including the five men who violently beat a black man in a parking garage, would be punished. But instead, many of the people being arrested, including 10 new suspects the Charlottesville Police Department just announced they are seeking, are counter-protesters—and many of their arrests are happening solely on the basis of accusations being brought by white supremacists.

Yeah, I think I’m done for the day. It’s 10 am, and I already hate everything and everyone.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:55:44am

re: #187 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Many states had closed primaries…that meant that all those Millennials who had registered as “independent” were not allowed to participate in them…

And they could have switched to Dem for Bernie but chose not to. She beat him by 11%. I’m sorry but this wasn’t a rigging. This was a solid win. Honestly, instead of engaging in conspiracy bs, the Sanders campaign should have been proud of their accomplishments at the polls and used that as capital for their ideas and it does seem that the DNC platform committee was receptive to that. But a lot of them were angry when Sanders wasn’t nominated. I’m sorry but Bernie’s not the future. He honestly never was.

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dangerman  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:55:46am

the other day somebody mentioned huey lewis and the news

whoever that was, right now i hate you

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 6:56:51am

Closed primaries are something the states choose to do anyhow not the party committees.

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dangerman  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:05:45am

re: #168 Sir John Barron

How were the primaries supposedly “rigged” for Hillary?

i take back my re: #179 dangerman

Everybody didn’t vote for Bernie

and stand with this: even as he got less votes, bernie wasnt declared the winner

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:08:44am

re: #192 dangerman

the other day somebody mentioned huey lewis and the news

whoever that was, right now i hate you

I know what you mean. But don’t let it get to you. The heart of rock n roll is still beating.

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Sea Mexican!  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:16:28am

re: #81 Dave In Austin

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I don’t buy this excuse.

A more probable excuse is that he disabled his account to make Mueller lose his track… :P

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bill d. (b.d.)  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:16:55am

Ok Dudebros and all, let’s have a redo election next month with Donnie vs. Bernie.

deal?

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JordanRules  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:22:43am
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scottslemmons  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:25:28am

I was out of town for a few days, so I don’t know if this has already been discussed:

It’s a promo video for the Proud Boys, created by NBC.

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:25:34am

As you guys know I pretty much stay out of left aisle/dem internal debate. Having said that Bernie was never a major force. Clinton has been for a long time. Here in California, it’s the Newsome machine that matters. Carefully built and grown over years of legislative maneuvers. A genuine power base.

In my whole life I have never seen such and extreme sore winner pov from a President, or any officeholder in view.

Trump needs a fictional enemy, or he thinks he does. He has millions of very real ones, (political forces here) plus whole nation states that would kill him if possible. His Clinton fixation appears clinical at this point.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:26:59am

re: #200 Unshaken Defiance

As you guys know I pretty much stay out of left aisle/dem internal debate. Having said that Bernie was never a major force. Clinton has been for a long time. Here in California, it’s the Newsome machine that matters. Carefully built and grown over years of legislative maneuvers. A genuine power base.

In my whole life I have never seen such and extreme sore winner pov from a President, or any officeholder in view.

Trump needs a fictional enemy, or he thinks he does. He has millions of very real ones, (political forces here) plus whole nation states that would kill him if possible. His Clinton fixation appears clinical at this point.

He needs Clinton. Something for his base to chew on while he resumes being the most miserable failure to sit in the Oval Office.And BTW, I’d welcome you gladly on the left. You’re a much more sensible and reasonable voice than many of the staunch lefties I know. We don’t always agree but you come at your positions from a position of reason but also caring what’s best for everyone.

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JordanRules  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:29:30am

re: #199 scottslemmons

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:29:38am

re: #199 scottslemmons

I was out of town for a few days, so I don’t know if this has already been discussed:

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It’s a promo video for the Proud Boys, created by NBC.

Wait, that wasn’t a promo for a reality show? And I see Gavin McInnes is behind these man babies.

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:29:41am

re: #201 HappyWarrior

He has no idea how divisive that is. Or well maybe that’s his play. America will rally behind a President facing a genuine enemy. NK etc. Forgive almost any error in that fight. But he seeks to divide instead. Pathological.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:31:30am

re: #204 Unshaken Defiance

He has no idea how divisive that is. Or well maybe that’s his play. America will rally behind a President facing a genuine enemy. NK etc. Forgive almost any error in that fight. But he seeks to divide instead. pathological.

I can only hope. We’re going to be facing a lot of critical issues in the years to come. Some we already know i.e. NK, climate change, terrorism but others are uncertain too because well we can’t tell the future. He has no idea that he’s spuposed to be the President for all Americans. Obama got that and as much as I disliked his actions as POTUS, I think Bush got that too.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:32:03am

re: #202 JordanRules

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Yep. They just made them look like a bunch of harmless goofballs.

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Citizen K  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:33:35am

re: #202 JordanRules

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Like I said, this veers way too far from naivete into outright active normalization and complicity.

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scottslemmons  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:34:27am

re: #202 JordanRules

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Actually, I probably saw Sommers’ original tweet here on LGF. Is my face red!

Still can’t get over any division from NBC so blatantly promoting Nazis and not having enough shame to pull it afterwards.

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dangerman  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:34:37am

re: #195 Barefoot Grin

I know what you mean. But don’t let it get to you. The heart of rock n roll is still beating.

YouTube

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:38:07am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:39:22am

re: #210 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Not to be pedantic but also a misspelling too- He should have said led but not lead but to be fair he was face in to his 10th McMuffin of the morning.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:40:24am

re: #191 HappyWarrior

And they could have switched to Dem for Bernie but chose not to. She beat him by 11%. I’m sorry but this wasn’t a rigging. This was a solid win. Honestly, instead of engaging in conspiracy bs, the Sanders campaign should have been proud of their accomplishments at the polls and used that as capital for their ideas and it does seem that the DNC platform committee was receptive to that. But a lot of them were angry when Sanders wasn’t nominated. I’m sorry but Bernie’s not the future. He honestly never was.

There were lots of ratfuckers who kept that story alive because they knew it would hurt Hillary…that was such a sad and sorry sight, especially seeing these Berniebros playing right into their hands in the name of Ideological Purity.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:40:28am

My guess, there would be significant walking involved.
So, pass…

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:41:08am

I think this too shall pass but Brazile and Warren gaev him his talking points to avoid having to be called out on how regressive his tax tax tax plan is. Fortunately, Mueller don’t care about inner party Democratic squabbling and will keep on pressing forward. And the FBI and DOJ aren’t going to like POTUS telling them they need to investigate this after the way he treated Comey and continues to treat him and lie about his reputation at the Hoover Building.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:41:38am

re: #212 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There were lots of ratfuckers who kept that story alive because they knew it would hurt Hillary…that was such a sad and sorry sight, especially seeing these Berniebros playing right into their hands in the name of Ideological Purity.

I know. I saw a lot of smart people I know fall for ratfucking.

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dangerman  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:41:56am

re: #210 Backwoods_Sleuth

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between her and brazile

what a boneheaded thing to say
outloud
in an interview
even if you believed it was true

sometimes effective politics means acting a bit like a politician

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:42:37am

re: #213 FormerDirtDart

My guess, there would be significant walking involved.
So, pass…

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I guess the President of South Korea wouldn’t agree to push him around in a stroller or change his diaper because Kelly doesn’t do diaper duty.

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:43:20am

re: #210 Backwoods_Sleuth
re: #211 HappyWarrior

Your point and another…

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makeitstop  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:44:31am

re: #217 HappyWarrior

I guess the President of South Korea wouldn’t agree to push him around in a stroller or change his diaper because Kelly doesn’t do diaper duty.

No golf carts available.

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Jay C  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:44:39am

re: #185 HappyWarrior

I hate how they whine about the closed primaries which I admit I wasn’t super fond of either but have no problem with the caucuses. When I explained the caucus system to my brother, a casual Sanders supporter, he hated the idea. It’s actually part of why he didn’t vote. He’s got a family, full time job, and is attending school. I really much prefer primaries to caucuses.

And of course, there’s the undetected (or unperceived) irony that the system of selecting Party candidates through primary elections was always, traditionally, a “left” issue, intended to give the general membership* more of a say (or at least approval) of the Party’s candidates, vs. the old system - mainly a slightly-altered version of the old “smoke-filled room” political-machine tradition - where Party “insiders” could more-easily manipulate the representation of delegates to isolate insurgents or other “outsiders”.

*since expanded to “the general electorate” via the “open” or “jungle” primary system in a lot of states. Myself, I’m unsure that that’s a particularly positive development, YMMV

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:44:51am

re: #216 dangerman

between her and brazile

what a boneheaded thing to say
outloud
in an interview
even if you believed it was true

sometimes effective politics means acting a bit like a politician

The wingnut concern trolls are having a field day with it. “Hey why are you Dems so concerned about Russia when your own party is corrupt?” I mean the story is total bogus bs. And let me say once again, Sanders lost by 11%. More than 3 million people- that’s more than several of Bernie’s Vermonts! preferred her over him. I’m finding out that Hillary not only had to overcome right wing sexism but sexism that exists on the left too. So in that sense, I thank the Bros for waking me up to the sexism on our own side that exists.

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:45:38am

re: #213 FormerDirtDart

Or they don’t dare put him in sniper range.

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lawhawk  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:45:41am

re: #213 FormerDirtDart

DMZ visit would be cliche?

Oh wait, he probably found out that Obama had previously visited the DMZ, and that other presidents did it, and it required walking and understanding actual policies. So his handlers had to find a better venue for his addled rallies.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:46:14am

re: #220 Jay C

And of course, there’s the undetected (or unperceived) irony that the system of selecting Party candidates through primary elections was always, traditionally, a “left” issue, intended to give the general membership* more of a say (or at least approval) of the Party’s candidates, vs. the old system - mainly a slightly-altered version of the old “smoke-filled room” political-machine tradition - where Party “insiders” could more-easily manipulate the representation of delegates to isolate insurgents or other “outsiders”.

*since expanded to “the general electorate” via the “open” or “jungle” primary system in a lot of states. Myself, I’m unsure that that’s a particularly positive development, YMMV

I mean the SD process isn’t ideal but I do believe that party officials should have some say in who their party nominates too. But you’re right. Primaries exist because of the Progressive era reforms that also gave us the Direct Election of Senators, a Con Amendment I know for a fact many conservatives hate.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:46:46am

re: #223 lawhawk

DMZ visit would be cliche?

Oh wait, he probably found out that Obama had previously visited the DMZ, and that other presidents did it, and it required walking and understanding actual policies. So his handlers had to find a better venue for his addled rallies.

Whopnum, Whopnum Dotard Style. Hey Sexy Yam.

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I cannot.  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:48:41am

re: #225 HappyWarrior

Whopnum, Whopnum Dotard Style. Hey Sexy Yam.

I hate you.

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:49:03am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:49:13am

re: #226 I cannot.

I hate you.

You laughed though.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:50:17am

what in the utter fuck

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lawhawk  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:50:20am

re: #218 Unshaken Defiance

Legend… wait for it…. ary.

Trump’s criminality and the criminal indictments against Trumpworld are already legendary - no admin has been faster to this level of criminality and corruption ever.

Faster than Nixon. Faster than Grant.
Faster than Harding.

Faster than all of them.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:52:57am

Anyhow. Here’s the thing. The SDs are NOT set in stone. Also, it’s natural why more Democratic elected officials would prefer Clinton. Complain about politics all you want but there’s a human element here. You don’t think those elected officials aren’t going to notice that HRC had campaigned for and raised money for their own candidacies while Sanders had until last year campaigned for no one other than himself? But here’s another more important thing. More registered Democrats preferred Clinton over Sanders and it wasn’t even close. You may not like the two party system, and I know its flaws but Sanders and Clinton were running for the DEMOCRATIC Party’s nomination so yeah I think Democrats should have had more of a say than some people who just wanted to use the Democratic Party as the country’s most viable left wing party to get the instant change they wanted without having to work to build a party. And another thing is Hillary and Bill have in fact campaigned for many of those who detract them now i.e. Sanders, Nina Turner, and Elizabeth Warren.

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:53:34am

re: #230 lawhawk

Ever heard of a “whip pan”? It’s an infamous film camera move. The camera whips from one point of view or subject to another. It’s hard on the viewer, disorienting and blurry for a split second.

Reading DT tweets one day to the next is like living in a whip pan world.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:53:37am

re: #229 The Vicious Babushka

what in the utter fuck

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I didn’t know Alex Jones had a sister.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:54:33am

re: #230 lawhawk

Legend… wait for it…. ary.

Trump’s criminality and the criminal indictments against Trumpworld are already legendary - no admin has been faster to this level of criminality and corruption ever.

Faster than Nixon. Faster than Grant.
Faster than Harding.

Faster than all of them.

I guess when he said we would get tired of winning, he meant he’d be tired of Mueller winning indictments against his crooked team.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:59:23am

re: #219 makeitstop

No golf carts available.

Can’t believe he’ll miss the chance to play the one-hole golf course at Camp Bonifas on the DMZ.

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I cannot.  Nov 3, 2017 • 7:59:25am

re: #228 HappyWarrior

I have Gangnam Style open in YouTube now because of you.

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:03:43am

Overheard near a big office in the WH
“Yea Vlad listen. It’s a really bad time to be sending me any emails. Let’s just meet over some Pho. You can tell me what to do there.”

Trump’s big Asia trip may include a meeting with Putin in Vietnam

“It’s hard to overestimate the importance and significance for all international matters of any contact between the presidents of Russia and the United States,” said Peskov.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:04:48am

re: #215 HappyWarrior

I know. I saw a lot of smart people I know fall for ratfucking.

because they cannot understand how cynical and manipulative some people can be

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:05:08am

I wonder what the odds are of Mueller dropping another bomb on Team Trump while he’s out of the country?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:05:39am

re: #237 Unshaken Defiance

Overheard near a big office in the WH
“Yea Vlad listen. It’s a really bad time to be sending me any emails. Let’s just meet over some Pho. You can tell me what to do there.”

Trump’s big Asia trip may include a meeting with Putin in Vietnam

No, Trump wouldn’t want Pho. He’d have Vlad meet him at the Hanoi McDonalds. Come on, he’s a villain but he’s not a cultured villain and curse you for making me want Pho when the closest Pho place is a good drive away.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:05:53am

re: #239 Eclectic Cyborg

I wonder what the odds are of Mueller dropping another bomb on Team Trump while he’s out of the country?

that would be excellent timing…making sure he cannot just call someone in and buttonhole them into shutting up

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I cannot.  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:06:14am
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ObserverArt  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:06:16am

Well, just from reading a bit of today’s comments it looks like it is going to be a nutty Friday. Seems the Hillary running the Democratic National Party is the big story. Nothing sells like a Hillary story…but hey, America wants her to move on but won’t let her.

Being it is Friday, does anyone think we will get any more news about further indictments coming, like happened last week? Or, will Mueller hold off while Trump is out of the country? Who knows, announcing more indictments may cause Trump to set off some kind of world shit storm because he is all pissed off. Might be best to have him back in Washington for when he blows up.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:06:21am

re: #238 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

because they cannot understand how cynical and manipulative some people can be

Yep. Their idealism is unfortunately their undoing more often than not. It’s sad man because these people, I know their hearts are in the right place but I wish they’d use their minds oto.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:06:32am

re: #229 The Vicious Babushka

what in the utter fuck

Liz Crokin is a right-wing “reporter” and conspiracy theorist who is convinced that members of the government and critics of President Trump are part of a massive pedophile ring that attempted to kill Rep. Steve Scalise and was responsible for the murder of Democratic National Committee staffer Seth Rich.

Recently, Crokin appeared on “The Richie Allen Show,” to discuss the current Hollywood sexual abuse scandals. After nearly an hour of attempting to avoid the host’s persistent efforts to link the scandals to Jews, Crokin eventually stopped resisting the anti-Semitic undercurrent of the discussion and found a way to link the death of Rich to the supposed problem of “rampant” pedophilia within the Jewish community.

“Pedophilia is rampant within the Jewish religion, from what I’ve researched,” Crokin said. “I’ve also discovered that predators prey on children at Jewish camps. Now, it is interesting how pedophilia has been exposed within the Catholic church but there hasn’t been a huge scandal about the pedophilia that goes on within the Jewish community. We do know that the Jews control most of the mainstream media and Hollywood, so you’re probably on to something with that.”

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:07:54am

re: #245 Dr. Matt

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Oh so when she’s not playing Alex Jones’ sister, she pushes Antisemitic kooky bs that you would have seen on the Russian right in the era my term paper was written in.

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:09:27am

IMHO
The Deplorables and *The Irretrievables are the two groups most outraged by the Clinton DNC thing. Not worth our time. Friday night news dump plus Asia trip pretty much assures this blows over fast. Old news etc.

*The Irretrievables
My phrase for those on the left that tear the place up from the inside. Code Pink etc. Berners.

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ObserverArt  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:10:48am

re: #246 HappyWarrior

Oh so when she’s not playing Alex Jones’ sister, she pushes Antisemitic kooky bs that you would have seen on the Russian right in the era my term paper was written in.

We have to do something to make being a complete wingnut kook pay less. Right now it seems to be a good business as the market for kooky crap is huge.

Fox built that.

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Renaissance_Man  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:11:04am

re: #247 Unshaken Defiance

IMHO
The Deplorables and *The Irretrievables are the two groups most outraged by the Clinton DNC thing. Not worth our time. Friday night news dump plus Asia trip pretty much assures this blows over fast. Old news etc.

*The Irretrievables
My phrase for those on the left that tear the place up from the inside. Code Pink etc. Berners.

I think you underestimate the desire of CNN and the NYT to keep Clinton scandals in the news. Trump scandals vanish a day later, while emails can be a headline for every single day of the year (as they were in 2016).

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Dr. Matt  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:12:10am

re: #246 HappyWarrior

Oh so when she’s not playing Alex Jones’ sister, she pushes Antisemitic kooky bs that you would have seen on the Russian right in the era my term paper was written in.

She makes Alex Jones seem like a reasonable and sound person.

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Weaselone  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:12:53am

re: #242 I cannot.

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If the universes are that close, I wonder if there’s any way I can swap places with the smug, self-satisfied version of me that gets to live in the universe where Hillary actually won.

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:15:58am

re: #249 Renaissance_Man

I think you underestimate the desire of CNN and the NYT to keep Clinton scandals in the news. Trump scandals vanish a day later, while emails can be a headline for every single day of the year (as they were in 2016).

Well lets see what they have next week. Might show me wrong and you right.

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CongoJack  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:16:10am

re: #229 The Vicious Babushka

what in the utter fuck

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peepee take must be around the corner

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CongoJack  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:18:10am

re: #253 CongoJack

*peepee tape*

sleep deprivation is real… why was this not in the manual when the wife and I discussed having a kid

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:19:15am

re: #247 Unshaken Defiance

IMHO
The Deplorables and *The Irretrievables are the two groups most outraged by the Clinton DNC thing. Not worth our time. Friday night news dump plus Asia trip pretty much assures this blows over fast. Old news etc.

*The Irretrievables
My phrase for those on the left that tear the place up from the inside. Code Pink etc. Berners.

Ha I like that.

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:19:15am

re: #137 HappyWarrior

It is so frustrating to watch man. I’m worried about the future of the left.

If the left fails we really then don’t have a leg to stand on. The right wing is lost for a generation

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:19:48am

re: #248 ObserverArt

We have to do something to make being a complete wingnut kook pay less. Right now it seems to be a good business as the market for kooky crap is huge.

Fox built that.

Yep they sure did.

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makeitstop  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:20:48am

Look what you’ve done, Ms. Brazile.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:21:12am

re: #256 Unshaken Defiance

If the left fails we really then don’t have a leg to stand on. The right wing is lost for a generation

Yep we need the left to be strong and firm.

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makeitstop  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:22:06am

And Carter Page is a ratfucker, just like I suspected.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:24:18am

re: #229 The Vicious Babushka

what in the utter fuck

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Who’s KKKrazier? This nut or Loony Laura?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:24:30am

I’ve said it here before but I really wish someone else had emerged as HRC’s main challenger in 2016. I’m glad that Sanders got a lot of oyung people into politics but I’m not happy that he seems to have not taught them the most important thing I learned as a young Kerry volunteer: Sometimes you don’t win and while it hurts like hell, you move forward.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:25:06am

re: #261 Joe Bacon 🌹

Who’s KKKrazier? This nut or Loony Laura?

This one. Look at what she says about Jews and pedophiles. Laura is just your boilertemplate Anti-Muslim garbage.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:25:51am

re: #260 makeitstop

And Carter Page is a ratfucker, just like I suspected.

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Setting up the firing of Mueller. Sessions fired and a stooge is put in to terminate the Special Counsel!

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Dr. Matt  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:26:33am

re: #258 makeitstop

Look what you’ve done, Ms. Brazile.

She’s accomplished two things: Put money in her pocket and has given Dotard and the right-wing media new talking points.

In other words, she’s a Bernie supporter.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:27:04am

re: #264 Joe Bacon 🌹

Setting up the firing of Mueller. Sessions fired and a stooge is put in to terminate the Special Counsel!

A chess game. Sacrifice Sessions for the Dotard.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:29:42am

re: #235 Barefoot Grin

Can’t believe he’ll miss the chance to play the one-hole golf course at Camp Bonifas on the DMZ.

Sorry, no way he would go near such a mockery of a hole. I mean, it’s green is AstroTurf. Being seen near such a travesty would hurt his “brand”

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dangerman  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:30:07am

re: #231 HappyWarrior

that this has to be said out loud is mind numbing

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dangerman  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:31:35am

re: #239 Eclectic Cyborg

I wonder what the odds are of Mueller dropping another bomb on Team Trump while he’s out of the country?

unless he sees some strategic advantage, i dont think he cares where the president is when he does whatever he does next

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:31:39am

re: #259 HappyWarrior

Non affiliated indy’s of course have varied access to the party primaries. It gets thick. it’s fair to say the Dem primary to run for governor here is the election. There are no good indy or GOP prospects. I can do okay here as California is a “top two” modified primary setup. Not sure if I’m a fan or not.

Caveat. Mere speculation of course. The next Dem primary may well be the same folks. The GOP could be in big trouble post Trump especially if he is removed. Democrats-Your primary could be the election. If not, better get the legislative agenda out loud and proud.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:32:23am

re: #268 dangerman

that this has to be said out loud is mind numbing

I know. And you know the thing is I actually preferred Bernie at this time two years ago over her too but I learned more about both of them. She was the better choice.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:34:04am

re: #270 Unshaken Defiance

Non affiliated indy’s of course have varied access to the party primaries. It gets thick. it’s fair to say the Dem primary to run for governor here is the election. There are no good indy or GOP prospects. I can do okay here as California is a “top two” modified primary setup. Not sure if I’m a fan or not.

Caveat. Mere speculation of course. The next Dem primary may well be the same folks. The GOP could be in big trouble post Trump especially if he is removed. Democrats-Your primary could be the election. If not, better get the legislative agenda out loud and proud.

I’m really warming to your Senator, Harris. You know how important immigration is to me personally, sponsoring DREAM got my attention.

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dangerman  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:34:41am

re: #245 Dr. Matt

…Catholic church but there hasn’t been a huge scandal about the pedophilia that goes on within the Jewish community

just one comment in what could be so many

the “catholic church” is a single monolithic entity
the “jewish community” is not

and WTF?

oh and “soon”? what are you waiting for?

ok, three comments

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CongoJack  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:34:52am

re: #260 makeitstop

And Carter Page is a ratfucker, just like I suspected.

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When Carter was on Chris Hayes earlier this week (I think) when Chris asked him about the discussions with other in the campaign about Russia Carter’s mouth got very foamy - like a rabid cornered squirrel (and he kept trying to wet his mouth - I dont think Chris Hayes had any water for him). You knew he (Cater) had said something he thought he shouldn’t had right then and there.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:38:00am

Well, this ain’t gonna go over well

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:38:33am
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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:39:04am

re: #272 HappyWarrior

She’s a state treasure afaik.

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Targetpractice  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:39:18am

re: #275 FormerDirtDart

Well, this ain’t gonna go over well

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Especially when Donny last year was all but calling for the man’s execution. I suspect the judge had to weigh that in when making his decision.

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Ace-o-aces  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:39:37am
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I Would Prefer Not To  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:42:49am

re: #279 Ace-o-aces

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Is Scarammuci a moron or a fucking moron?

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bill d. (b.d.)  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:43:22am

re: #280 I Would Prefer Not To

Is Scarammuci a moron or a fucking moron?

yes.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:44:52am

re: #279 Ace-o-aces

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lol, what a douche….

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:44:55am

re: #279 Ace-o-aces

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When does the Mooch appear on Dancing with the Stars?

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makeitstop  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:45:18am

re: #279 Ace-o-aces

Great, all I need now is a bank that pay 100% interest daily.

And who’s gonna lug all those pennies around? I’m not doing it, bad back.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:45:22am

re: #283 HappyWarrior

When does the Mooch appear on Dancing with the Stars?

The Russian version.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:45:43am

re: #277 Unshaken Defiance

She’s a state treasure afaik.

She’s very impressive. Lots to like.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:46:12am

re: #285 b.d. (bill d.)

The Russian version.

Sure, our version just had Tom Delay.

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gocart mozart  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:47:12am

Stolen from LGM

LEONARD NIMOY ~ PROUD MARY

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:47:47am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:49:21am

re: #288 gocart mozart

Stolen from LGM

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HOLY GOLDEN THROATS, BATMAN!

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:50:30am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:51:23am

re: #291 FormerDirtDart

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That guy has suffered a lot. I hope he can get his life on track.

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dangerman  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:52:18am

re: #279 Ace-o-aces

A little lesson on compound interest. Take a penny, double it every day for 30 days, and you have $5.4 million @BarstoolBigCat

two pennies would get you $10.8M
why doesnt have two pennies?
why arent we thinking big?

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ObserverArt  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:52:32am

re: #264 Joe Bacon 🌹

Setting up the firing of Mueller. Sessions fired and a stooge is put in to terminate the Special Counsel!

I think Trump is too late to pull that move. At this point with the majority of Americans thinking he is up to no good, firing Mueller would make those people and more damn sure he is obstructing. If he was going to do that he should have done it a few months ago. Now he just has to sit there and take what is coming.

This does not mean he will not try it though. He’s being cornered and who knows what the unstable SOB will do when he feels it is all crashing down on him. He could easily fuck himself over good…which is my hope.

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Belafon  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:53:51am

re: #282 b.d. (bill d.)

lol, what a douche….

And the point, Scary Pooch, is that a Dollar, earning 1.1% per year, won’t get you much at 40 years.

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:54:09am

*sigh*

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makeitstop  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:54:27am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:54:32am

re: #294 ObserverArt

I think Trump is too late to pull that move. At this point with the majority of Americans thinking he is up to no good, firing Mueller would make those people and more damn sure he is obstructing. If he was going to do that he should have done it a few months ago. Now he just has to sit there and take what is coming.

This does not mean he will not try it though. He’s being cornered and who knows what the unstable SOB will do when he feels it is all crashing down on him. He could easily fuck himself over good…which is my hope.

I think that’s why Bannon has apparently been advising Trump to kneecap Mueller from the inside.

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Targetpractice  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:54:52am

re: #294 ObserverArt

I think Trump is too late to pull that move. At this point with the majority of Americans thinking he is up to no good, firing Mueller would make those people and more damn sure he is obstructing. If he was going to do that he should have done it a few months ago. Now he just has to sit there and take what is coming.

This does not mean he will not try it though. He’s being cornered and who knows what the unstable SOB will do when he feels it is all crashing down on him. He could easily fuck himself over good…which is my hope.

He may very well do it figuring (rightly) that Congressional Republicans will take no action. Almost immediately after the indictments, even the tepid support for legislation to bind his hands on removing Mueller evaporated.

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ObserverArt  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:56:19am

re: #265 Dr. Matt

She’s accomplished two things: Put money in her pocket and has given Dotard and the right-wing media new talking points.

In other words, she’s a Bernie supporter.

Which she is and would readily admit.

She knows Hillary garbage sells with the Fox wingnut crowd and the Bernie backers. She knows her market and I think this was all calculated. Timing, subject, emphasis, talking points to sell the book…all calculated.

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Belafon  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:56:20am

re: #276 FormerDirtDart

I think the only reason he should have had to serve time is if a number of his superiors had to join him. That place had no command structure. The fault is 50.1% with him, and 49.9% with the Army.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:56:46am

re: #296 Unshaken Defiance

*sigh*

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What upsets me is many true Bernie supporters refuse to see that.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:58:05am

re: #297 makeitstop

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Even if he wasn’t “officially” ISIS, he may as well have been, given that he followed their plans in this type of attack pretty much to a T.

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MsJ  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:58:42am

re: #5 JordanRules

Yeah, he caught me off guard invoking Goebbels.

Always accuse your opponent of that which you are doing.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:59:09am

Members of the Trump campaign team will spend more time in jail than Bergdahl

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ObserverArt  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:59:16am

re: #275 FormerDirtDart

Well, this ain’t gonna go over well

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Steamed Trump over rice is what’s for dinner.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:59:31am

re: #297 makeitstop

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Stop messing up the investigation if you really care about those people, you idiot.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 3, 2017 • 8:59:44am

re: #282 b.d. (bill d.)

lol, what a douche….

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Jesus…then try an example with something close to real world applicability. Call it a 5% return.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:00:19am

re: #304 MsJ

Always accuse your opponent of that which you are doing.

Which and I know you intended it is a Goebells tactic in itself.

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:00:22am
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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:00:55am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:02:12am

The feigned concern for Sanders supporters is disgusting and yet many will fall for it because they’ve been conditioned to hate HRC that much.

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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:04:06am

re: #312 HappyWarrior

The feigned concern for Sanders supporters is disgusting and yet many will fall for it because they’ve been conditioned to hate HRC that much.

Hating HRC is the coolaid these days. Has it occurred to any of them why ones rearview mirror is small and the windshield large?

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:05:02am

re: #313 Unshaken Defiance

Hating HRC is the coolaid these days. Has it occurred to any of them why ones rearview mirror is small and the windshield large?

Of course not.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:05:37am
Bernie Sanders supporters have every right to be apoplectic of the complete theft of the Dem primary by Crooked Hillary!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 3, 2017

Who helped him with this tweet?

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Belafon  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:05:47am

re: #264 Joe Bacon 🌹

Setting up the firing of Mueller. Sessions fired and a stooge is put in to terminate the Special Counsel!

How does that set up Mueller’s firing? On the other hand, it does set up a he-said/he-said thing that will take someone else to solve.

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ObserverArt  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:05:49am

re: #283 HappyWarrior

When does the Mooch appear on Dancing with the Stars?

The Mooch Sex Tape will be first. Then he will have a bout with drugs or some substance or vice go to rehab and come out with a book. Dancing with the Stars will be part of his Grand American Acceptance.

The writers are working it up right now. Mark Burnett is kicking in with bucks and advice.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:06:18am

I guess you can get a DUI on a horse

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:07:08am

re: #318 FormerDirtDart

I guess you can get a DUI on a horse

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President Pierce or Grant I think did.

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dangerman  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:07:17am

re: #311 The Vicious Babushka

Bernie Sanders supporters have every right to be apoplectic of the complete theft of the Dem primary by Crooked Hillary!

this is bizarre coming from him on so many levels

why do you even care - its party politics - the other party

are you trying to generally sow dissent or distract us from what else is going on today?

you won
are you saying you would have won bigger against bernie?
or lost?

why does an adult, sitting in the president’s chair, wade into this?

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gocart mozart  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:08:35am

re: #318 FormerDirtDart

The horse was sober.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:08:37am

re: #306 ObserverArt

Steamed Trump over rice is what’s for dinner.

Yeah, good thing he’s focused like a laser on the issues he’ll need to know on his Asia trip. ////

China once again “center of the world.”

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Belafon  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:08:40am

Here’s diary that collects some information about the DNC, Clinton, and Sanders, that casts some decent doubt on Donna Brazile’s claims: dailykos.com. Some of the comments also lay some doubt.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:09:51am

Bernie Sanders’ response over the next day will be a true indicator of what kind of person he really is. Does he shut down Dotard declare this is a nothingburger or does he side with Dotard and stir the pot.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:10:05am

re: #321 gocart mozart

The horse was sober.

Naigggh he wasn’t.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:11:14am

Oh well in that case let’s just drop everything because you say so.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:12:30am
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Unshaken Defiance  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:12:51am

re: #321 gocart mozart

The horse was sober.

Not so sure…

Mr Ed The Talking Horse The Empty Feed Bag Blues

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ObserverArt  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:12:57am

re: #315 Dr. Matt

Who helped him with this tweet?

Yeah…I doubt he even knows what apoplectic means, much less spell it.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:14:05am

re: #323 Belafon

Here’s diary that collects some information about the DNC, Clinton, and Sanders, that casts some decent doubt on Donna Brazile’s claims: dailykos.com. Some of the comments also lay some doubt.

Good read. Anyhow reading more and knowing that she and her team helped try to get other Dems elected makes me appreciate Clinton more while knowing Sanders team did little reinforces how I feel about him.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:14:59am

re: #326 Dave In Austin

Oh well in that case let’s just drop everything because you say so.

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What an obstructionist douche

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Belafon  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:15:53am

I missed this yesterday: Lamar Smith is not running for reelection.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:16:12am

re: #329 ObserverArt

Yeah…I doubt he even knows what apoplectic means. much less spell it.

Maybe Barron stayed home today.

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Belafon  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:17:37am

re: #326 Dave In Austin

The Three Stooges have reunited!

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ObserverArt  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:17:44am

re: #324 Dr. Matt

Bernie Sanders’ response over the next day will be a true indicator of what kind of person he really is. Does he shut down Dotard declare this is a nothingburger or does he side with Dotard and stir the pot.

He’ll do some lukewarm signal to his supporters and say he is sad this is how it worked out and he had hoped it would have been fair but it wasn’t.

He won’t even mention Hillary, that is his cover.

But he will explain how Bernie can change all that if we all follow him now to that Great New Deal in the Sky.

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Targetpractice  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:19:31am

re: #335 ObserverArt

He’ll do some lukewarm signal to his supporters and say he is sad this is how it worked out and he had hoped it would have been fair but it wasn’t.

He won’t even mention Hillary, that is his cover.

But he will explain how Bernie can change all that if we all follow him now to that Great New Deal in the Sky.

He won’t attack Hillary herself, he’ll attack “the establishment” and accuse them of making deals that hurt his campaign, so he has the excuse of saying he didn’t accuse her directly.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:21:33am

re: #336 Targetpractice

He won’t attack Hillary herself, he’ll attack “the establishment” and accuse them of making deals that hurt his campaign, so he has the excuse of saying he didn’t accuse her directly.

Yeah I think you’re both right about that. The best thing he could do is to clarify what really happened and make it clear he lost fair but he won’t do that unfortunately.

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lawhawk  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:25:49am

re: #297 makeitstop

IS claims every car accident is their doing, if the body count is sufficiently high enough.

We’ve seen that before.

Heck, we saw it a month ago when they claimed credit for Las Vegas.

It’s what they do to stay relevant as they find themselves further constrained.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:26:24am

re: #338 lawhawk

IS claims every car accident is their doing, if the body count is sufficiently high enough.

We’ve seen that before.

Heck, we saw it a month ago when they claimed credit for Las Vegas.

It’s what they do to stay relevant as they find themselves further constrained.

And they know gullible Wingnuttia will buy it.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:26:40am

re: #318 FormerDirtDart

I guess you can get a DUI on a horse

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Dressage Under the Influence

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I Would Prefer Not To  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:32:31am

re: #285 b.d. (bill d.)

The Russian version.

Dancing with the Tsars?

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Dr. Matt  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:33:57am

re: #338 lawhawk

IS claims every car accident is their doing, if the body count is sufficiently high enough.

Perfect timing.

Portrait of Las Vegas gunman: A narcissist on a losing streak

Police say the man who shot and killed 58 people and injured more than 540 others in last month’s deadly massacre in Las Vegas was a status-obsessed narcissist who had lost a “significant amount of wealth” in the last two years, something authorities now believe may have been a “determining factor” in the Oct. 1 attack.

[…]

But Lombardo cautioned that investigators still have not settled on the precise reason for why Paddock suddenly unleashed a deadly barrage of bullets onto the crowd at the Route 91 Harvest music festival from the windows of his 32nd floor suite at the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino a month ago. Lombardo, as he has repeatedly warned in recent weeks, again said Paddock’s motive may never truly be understood.

Though ISIS claimed credit for the attack, Lombardo said investigators had found no links between Paddock and any terrorist groups and no evidence he had been radicalized. Paddock also did not appear to have any strong political beliefs — though, according to the sheriff, he had recently told an associate that he was happy with Donald Trump’s presidency “because the stock market was doing well.” “That’s the only thing we’ve seen referencing politics,” Lombardo said.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:45:24am

re: #338 lawhawk

IS claims every car accident is their doing, if the body count is sufficiently high enough.

We’ve seen that before.

Heck, we saw it a month ago when they claimed credit for Las Vegas.

It’s what they do to stay relevant as they find themselves further constrained.

Like I’ve said, you get a bad burrito somewhere and suffer a case of Montezuma’s Revenge as a result, and yeah…..ISIS will take credit for it.

On a more humorous note, some wag here came up with the headline “ISIS claims responsibility for Czech elections” because it was such a debacle.

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garzooma  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:49:24am

re: #343 Dr Lizardo

Like I’ve said, you get a bad burrito somewhere and suffer a case of Montezuma’s Revenge as a result, and yeah…..ISIS will take credit for it.

On a more humorous note, some wag here came up with the headline “ISIS claims responsibility for Czech elections” because it was such a debacle.

There should be an #ISISClaimsCreditFor hashtag for things like Yu Darvish’s performance.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:50:21am

re: #344 garzooma

There should be an #ISISClaimsCreditFor hashtag for things like Yu Darvish’s performance.

LOL that would be funny as hell. I can only imagine what people would come up with.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:52:47am

re: #279 Ace-o-aces

What it looks if you take a penny and double everyday for 30 days:

Day 1: $.01
Day 2: $.02
Day 3: $.04
Day 4: $.08
Day 5: $.16
Day 6: $.32
Day 7: $.64
Day 8: $1.28
Day 9: $2.56
Day 10: $5.12
Day 11: $10.24
Day 12: $20.48
Day 13: $40.96
Day 14: $81.92
Day 15: $163.84
Day 16: $327.68
Day 17: $655.36
Day 18: $1,310.72
Day 19: $2,621.44
Day 20: $5,242.88
Day 21: $10,485.76
Day 22: $20,971.52
Day 23: $41,943.04
Day 24: $83,886.08
Day 25: $167,772.16
Day 26: $335,544.32
Day 27: $671,088.64
Day 28: $1,342,177.28
Day 29: $2,684,354.56
Day 30: $5,368,709.12

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electrotek  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:54:36am

The “Proud Boys” are getting clowned on so badly throughout the Internet right now.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:55:39am

Isn’t Jane Sanders suppose to go to jail for some sort of Fraud from the school she was teaching at?

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:56:59am
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Interesting Times  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:58:39am

Okay, this is definitely a current tweet from Warren re the whole kerfuffle - not sure what kind of result it will have, though…

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Dave In Austin  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:58:57am

Bestest

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bill d. (b.d.)  Nov 3, 2017 • 9:59:04am

re: #349 FormerDirtDart

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Why does Donnie hate America?

All he ever does is bitch about all of the things that make up this country.

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Targetpractice  Nov 3, 2017 • 10:00:07am

re: #350 Interesting Times

Okay, this is definitely a current tweet from Warren re the whole kerfuffle - not sure what kind of result it will have, though…

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The DNC “played favorites” because one woman was a long-time member of the party who had helped raise billions for it and was actively supporting the party…and the other was a moocher who was there for free shit and actively scorning the party to stuff his own pockets.

Gee, I can’t imagine why they would show favoritism to one and not the other./////

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Shropshire Slasher  Nov 3, 2017 • 10:01:01am

re: #346 Dr. Matt

They said there wouldn’t be math!

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jeffreyw  Nov 3, 2017 • 10:01:52am

Imgur

Imgur


Lunch time!

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Interesting Times  Nov 3, 2017 • 10:02:56am

Hahahaha I think he just may be my favorite congressperson on Twitter:

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 3, 2017 • 10:03:18am

re: #349 FormerDirtDart

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Dave In Austin  Nov 3, 2017 • 10:03:56am

Speaking of stabby…..

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Sir John Barron  Nov 3, 2017 • 10:04:11am

re: #349 FormerDirtDart

So he’s criticizing….the military itself. It was a court-martial, right?

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bill d. (b.d.)  Nov 3, 2017 • 10:04:15am

Donald Trump freed Sergeant Bergdahl

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Shropshire Slasher  Nov 3, 2017 • 10:04:52am

re: #350 Interesting Times

Probably has to do with the assertion by Donna that the DNC was laundering money with HRC campaign. I don’t think there is any weight to that.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 3, 2017 • 10:05:28am

re: #356 Interesting Times

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 3, 2017 • 10:06:28am

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ericblair  Nov 3, 2017 • 10:07:00am

re: #346 Dr. Matt

What it looks if you take a penny and double everyday for 30 days:

And if you have a penny, and get 0.5% a year in bank interest like a lot of us are doing these days, in a thousand years you’ll have $1.46.

Not to piss on saving money, but saving in a constant low interest environment isn’t a ticket to big bux. Especially when the subtext is that the people who don’t have 5 mill in 30 days are a bunch of spendthrift losers.

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Interesting Times  Nov 3, 2017 • 10:08:31am

re: #362 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Actually, I think that was part of the joke, as per:

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Belafon  Nov 3, 2017 • 10:12:06am

I’ve never had Papa John’s and his politics turned me off, and I’m a Cowboys fan (though I don’t watch them as much as I used to with my grandfather when he was alive). Between Pizza Hut, Little Caesar’s, and Domino’s, Pizza Hut is the best, especially since you can get thin crust. I like their supreme. Domino’s tastes like it’s not completely cooked.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 3, 2017 • 10:13:34am

re: #366 Belafon

I’ve never had Papa John’s and his politics turned me off, and I’m a Cowboys fan (though I don’t watch them as much as I used to with my grandfather when he was alive). Between Pizza Hut, Little Caesar’s, and Domino’s, Pizza Hut is the best, especially since you can get thin crust. I like their supreme. Domino’s tastes like it’s not completely cooked.

That’s extremely faint praise.
I was a Papa John’s customer, but not anymore.

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Semper Fi  Nov 3, 2017 • 10:14:13am

re: #346 Dr. Matt

What it looks if you take a penny and double everyday for 30 days:

Day 1: $.01
Day 2: $.02
Day 3: $.04
Day 4: $.08
Day 5: $.16
Day 6: $.32
Day 7: $.64
Day 8: $1.28
Day 9: $2.56
Day 10: $5.12
Day 11: $10.24
Day 12: $20.48
Day 13: $40.96
Day 14: $81.92
Day 15: $163.84
Day 16: $327.68
Day 17: $655.36
Day 18: $1,310.72
Day 19: $2,621.44
Day 20: $5,242.88
Day 21: $10,485.76
Day 22: $20,971.52
Day 23: $41,943.04
Day 24: $83,886.08
Day 25: $167,772.16
Day 26: $335,544.32
Day 27: $671,088.64
Day 28: $1,342,177.28
Day 29: $2,684,354.56
Day 30: $5,368,709.12

Yes, but what amazed me when I first saw this was after 2-weeks it was still under $100

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bill d. (b.d.)  Nov 3, 2017 • 10:14:49am

re: #368 Semper Fi

Yes, but what amazed me when I first saw this was after 2-weeks it was still under $100

Seniority is where it’s at!

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Dr. Matt  Nov 3, 2017 • 10:17:56am

re: #366 Belafon

I’ve never had Papa John’s and his politics turned me off, and I’m a Cowboys fan (though I don’t watch them as much as I used to with my grandfather when he was alive). Between Pizza Hut, Little Caesar’s, and Domino’s, Pizza Hut is the best, especially since you can get thin crust. I like their supreme. Domino’s tastes like it’s not completely cooked.

When I was in grad school, we had a beer and pizza deck party once month at school and the pizza always came from Papa John’s because it was close and cheap. And once a month I always had lower GI issues after said party. I haven’t had their shitty excuse for pizza in over 15 years and never will again. Life is too short for shitty pizza that gives you the shits.

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Weaselone  Nov 3, 2017 • 10:19:31am

re: #279 Ace-o-aces

Or a time machine. Invest a penny a longre: #368 Semper Fi

Yes, but what amazed me when I first saw this was after 2-weeks it was still under $100

That’s how exponential functions work. Also works that way for bad things in that you don’t realize there’s anything wrong until you’re essentially SOL.

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Ace-o-aces  Nov 3, 2017 • 10:19:58am

re: #366 Belafon

I’ve never had Papa John’s and his politics turned me off, and I’m a Cowboys fan (though I don’t watch them as much as I used to with my grandfather when he was alive). Between Pizza Hut, Little Caesar’s, and Domino’s, Pizza Hut is the best, especially since you can get thin crust. I like their supreme. Domino’s tastes like it’s not completely cooked.

That’s like saying Moe was the smartest Stooge.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 3, 2017 • 10:21:35am

re: #366 Belafon

I’ve never had Papa John’s and his politics turned me off, and I’m a Cowboys fan (though I don’t watch them as much as I used to with my grandfather when he was alive). Between Pizza Hut, Little Caesar’s, and Domino’s, Pizza Hut is the best, especially since you can get thin crust. I like their supreme. Domino’s tastes like it’s not completely cooked.

Interestingly, Pizza Hut is trying to get back into the Czech market. They were here for awhile - I remember there was a Pizza Hut in central Prague for a few years, but it closed sometime around 2004 or thereabouts.

I guess they’re gonna try it again.

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MsJ  Nov 3, 2017 • 10:21:44am

Please pray and send positive energy to this little guy. I’m not sure he’s going to make it through the day. I’m in tears.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 3, 2017 • 10:23:17am

Make
America
Gifters
Again

Pro-Trump group’s Fox News / Tomi Lahren fundraising page disappeared after Media Matters for America asked Fox about it

When Great America Alliance senior adviser Tomi Lahren was hired as a Fox News contributor, the pro-Trump group celebrated by creating a fundraising page prominently featuring Fox News’ logo and asking people for their email addresses and donations to celebrate her new job.

That fundraising page, created in late August, was recently taken down after Media Matters asked Fox News whether it approved the use of its logo.

Great America Alliance is a 501(c)(4) group that was started by Great America PAC in December 2016 after Donald Trump won the presidential election. According to Ed Rollins, a strategist for Great America PAC and a Fox News contributor, the PAC launched the group in its attempt to do “all we can to support and advocate” for Trump. As The Washington Post reported, both groups are also connected with breitbart.com’s Steve Bannon and his “political patrons, the wealthy Mercer family. The former White House strategist does not have a formal role with the organizations, but he helped install [former deputy White House political strategist Andy] Surabian as the top strategist at the advocacy group.”

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Birth Control Works  Nov 3, 2017 • 10:23:52am
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wrenchwench  Nov 3, 2017 • 10:25:28am
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Belafon  Nov 3, 2017 • 10:25:53am

re: #367 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

That’s extremely faint praise.
I was a Papa John’s customer, but not anymore.

Remember back when Pence went to Chili’s, or Applebee’s, of whatever restaurant he went to after being picked as VP and people complained about him going to that restaurant instead of one of the infinitely better restaurants in NYC? I concluded that he went there because it’s a safe, known choice. Well, my wife is one of those safe, known choice types of people, so we eat Pizza Hut. My son and I like to experiment when it comes to food, not her. Not everyone is like us here.

Related to food, the sushi stand at the Kroger in my town produces some great sushi.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Nov 3, 2017 • 10:27:08am

This is going to be big

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Semper Fi  Nov 3, 2017 • 10:27:34am

re: #373 Dr Lizardo

Interestingly, Pizza Hut is trying to get back into the Czech market. They were here for awhile - I remember there was a Pizza Hut in central Prague for a few years, but it closed sometime around 2004 or thereabouts.

I guess they’re gonna try it again.

Pizza Hut. It was always my favorite…the thin crust did it for me.

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Birth Control Works  Nov 3, 2017 • 10:27:47am

same article as 376

Churches as havens for “dark money?”

And both Little and Hackney pointed to a larger issue that could arise in the absence of the Johnson Amendment: The influx of so-called “dark money” — political funds whose sources remain undisclosed — into churches. Churches are not required to publicize their large donors, meaning an individual could pump money into a church during an election cycle without ever having to make their donation public. The difference between a church and a Super PAC — neither of which are beholden to finance laws used to reign in campaign donations — would effectively vanish.

“You could have unlimited dark money flowing to a campaign if this gets passed, and there is nothing the IRS could do about it,” Little said. “They would be getting a double benefit.”

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Birth Control Works  Nov 3, 2017 • 10:28:09am

re: #380 Semper Fi

We are still talking about pizza?

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Teukka  Nov 3, 2017 • 10:29:13am

re: #376 Birth Control Works

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“When religion and politics travel in the same cart, the riders believe nothing can stand in their way. Their movements become headlong - faster and faster and faster. They put aside all thoughts of obstacles and forget the precipice does not show itself to the man in a blind rush until it’s too late.”
— Frank Herbert

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Birth Control Works  Nov 3, 2017 • 10:29:40am

re: #374 MsJ

retweeted and facebooked

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Decatur Deb  Nov 3, 2017 • 10:29:42am

re: #382 Birth Control Works

We are still talking about pizza?

Lovin’ don’t last, pizza do.

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Birth Control Works  Nov 3, 2017 • 10:31:22am

re: #361 Shropshire Slasher

Probably has to do with the assertion by Donna that the DNC was laundering money with HRC campaign. I don’t think there is any weight to that.

The DNC or a man who owns hotels and casinos all over the world?

I go with Occam’s Razor in this instance.

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MsJ  Nov 3, 2017 • 10:31:31am

re: #384 Birth Control Works

retweeted and facebooked

Thanks. I’m so sad. If they have to do the open heart surgery today, he only has a 35% chance of making it.

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Semper Fi  Nov 3, 2017 • 10:32:34am

re: #382 Birth Control Works

We are still talking about pizza?

The fact that it’s Friday may have something to do with (pizza) it.

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Birth Control Works  Nov 3, 2017 • 10:33:05am

re: #387 MsJ

Thanks. I’m so sad. If they have to do the open heart surgery today, he only has a 35% chance of making it.

(MsJ)

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Belafon  Nov 3, 2017 • 10:34:10am

re: #382 Birth Control Works

We are still talking about pizza?

Pizza’s the food equivalent of talking about your favorite type of music, and pizza restaurants are like talking about your favorite musician.

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Birth Control Works  Nov 3, 2017 • 10:34:59am

re: #383 Teukka

“When religion and politics travel in the same cart, the riders believe nothing can stand in their way. Their movements become headlong - faster and faster and faster. They put aside all thoughts of obstacles and forget the precipice does not show itself to the man in a blind rush until it’s too late.”

oooh, where is that quote from?

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Teukka  Nov 3, 2017 • 10:35:31am

re: #391 Birth Control Works

oooh, where is that quote from?

Frank Herbert’s “Dune” series.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 3, 2017 • 10:35:40am

re: #378 Belafon

Remember back when Pence went to Chili’s, or Applebee’s, of whatever restaurant he went to after being picked as VP and people complained about him going to that restaurant instead of one of the infinitely better restaurants in NYC? I concluded that he went there because it’s a safe, known choice. Well, my wife is one of those safe, known choice types of people, so we eat Pizza Hut. My son and I like to experiment when it comes to food, not her. Not everyone is like us here.

Related to food, the sushi stand at the Kroger in my town produces some great sushi.

I found sushi at Lidl that was surprisingly good.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Nov 3, 2017 • 10:35:50am

re: #382 Birth Control Works

We are still talking about pizza?

What else is there to talk about?

The Good Place spoiler

I don’t watch any other sitcoms but The Good Place is very funny. It is set in hell and the only pizza you can get there is a Hawaiian pizza.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 3, 2017 • 10:36:19am

re: #394 b.d. (bill d.)

That’s a huge spoiler.

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bill d. (b.d.)  Nov 3, 2017 • 10:38:08am

re: #395 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

That’s a huge spoiler.

Not at all…it was declared at the end of last season and this season has been the main topic this season? I’ll put it in spoilers though.

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dangerman  Nov 3, 2017 • 10:38:44am

re: #382 Birth Control Works

We are still talking about pizza?

I come here for the pizza

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 3, 2017 • 10:39:23am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 3, 2017 • 10:40:27am

re: #396 b.d. (bill d.)

Not at all…it was declared at the end of last season and this season has been the main topic this season? I’ll put it in spoilers though.

There are people who haven’t seen season 1 yet.

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Teukka  Nov 3, 2017 • 10:40:49am

re: #392 Teukka

Frank Herbert’s “Dune” series.

Another good one is:
“Don’t give over all of your critical faculties to people in power, no matter how admirable those people may appear to be. Beneath the hero’s facade you will find a human being who makes human mistakes. Enormous problems arise when human mistakes are made on the grand scale available to a superhero. And sometimes you run into another problem. It is demonstrable that power structures tend to attract people who want power for the sake of power and that a significant proportion of such people are imbalanced — in a word, insane”

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bill d. (b.d.)  Nov 3, 2017 • 10:41:10am

re: #399 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

There are people who haven’t seen season 1 yet.

No way…get out of here with your Fake News

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Birth Control Works  Nov 3, 2017 • 10:44:29am

re: #400 Teukka

Another good one is:
“Don’t give over all of your critical faculties to people in power, no matter how admirable those people may appear to be. Beneath the hero’s facade you will find a human being who makes human mistakes. Enormous problems arise when human mistakes are made on the grand scale available to a superhero. And sometimes you run into another problem. It is demonstrable that power structures tend to attract people who want power for the sake of power and that a significant proportion of such people are imbalanced — in a word, insane”

Psycho or Sociopaths.

Did anyone watch Mindhunter -the series?

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 3, 2017 • 10:44:43am
404
Teukka  Nov 3, 2017 • 10:45:51am

re: #402 Birth Control Works

Psycho or Sociopaths.

Did anyone watch Mindhunter -the series?

Or Narcissists.

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Birth Control Works  Nov 3, 2017 • 10:46:03am

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electrotek  Nov 3, 2017 • 10:53:10am

Why aren’t flags at half-staff after a terrorist attack?

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wrenchwench  Nov 3, 2017 • 10:54:59am

I went to my favorite bakery this morning, and the two women behind the counter were trying to figure out what to do with all the cut-in-half-and-wrapped oatmeal cookies they had left from yesterday from some cookie-shortage incident that they had now recovered from and had the whole cookies they needed for today. ‘Let’s throw them all in a bag and give them to the wench’—[sort of] was said before I knew what they talking about. I got my loaf of bread sliced, put it in the same bag, paid and threw a quarter in the tip jar as I always do.

It’s a problem I can handle, half a cookie at a time.

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meteor  Nov 3, 2017 • 10:59:10am

democraticunderground.com

Check this out. Holy shit.

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Birth Control Works  Nov 3, 2017 • 11:01:20am
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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 3, 2017 • 11:02:42am

re: #408 meteor

democraticunderground.com

Check this out. Holy shit.

Donna Brazile also busted here.

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gocart mozart  Nov 3, 2017 • 11:03:04am

re: #408 meteor

Few have noticed that Donna Brazile’s “damning” document — the agreement between the Clinton campaign and the DNC — is not online. We have to rely purely on her word that the thing exists and that it reads the way she says it reads.

This absence is suspicious. Why no link to a pdf?

The same thought may have occurred to you that occurred to me: If this document is real, then why didn’t we see it when the Russians hacked the DNC? This morning, Josh Marshall published a fascinating find…

There is what at least appears to be a draft of the agreement in the Wikileaks Podesta cache of all places and from what I can tell it doesn’t include any of this.

By “this,” Marshall refers to the parts of the agreement that are not “kosher.” We know about these parts only from Brazile; we have no other evidence that this material exists. Everything in the document we have is, in fact, perfectly “kosher” and innocent.

Marshall goes on to offer these caveats:

Again, that version is just a draft. The final copy could definitely have included other codicils or side agreements. It’s possible I’m misinterpreting the document. I’d ask campaign types to take a look.

You can find the Wikileaks version of the agreement here. It’s a Word document. It doesn’t look like a draft to me. Absolutely nothing about it indicates a draft. It’s very detailed and well-formatted, with a codicil and spaces for signatures.

Moreover: The file is not labeled “DRAFT.” It is labeled “FINAL.”

It seems obvious that either the Russians or stateside Trump supporters found this FINAL agreement in the DNC cache and decided to use a falsified version to whip up some Hillary-hate just when things were looking bleak for Trump. By washing the falsifications through Brazile, they don’t have to show an actual document. She can function as the fall guy if and when the whole thing is shown to be bogus.

I’ve signed a few agreements in my time. I have never seen a draft agreement labeled “FINAL” — and neither, I’m pretty sure, have you. Lawyers are very careful about such things.

Let us suppose, hypothetically, that the Wikileaks document really did bear the label “DRAFT.” Have you ever seen so drastic a rewrite between the draft and the final version? Offhand, I cannot recall reading about a legal agreement which was drafted to say one thing and then massively re-worded to say something extremely different.

Why did Brazile go along with the plan? I don’t know, but I suspect that she had an encounter with some James-Spader-as-Raymond-Reddington type. I don’t know the carrot and I don’t know the stick, but I do know that nearly everyone can be manipulated and pressured.

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bratwurst  Nov 3, 2017 • 11:03:33am

Excuse me, I feel the need to go take a long hot shower now.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 3, 2017 • 11:04:19am

Report: Ooh Shit, The NFL Wants The Owners’ Phones

As a result of Colin Kaepernick’s collusion grievance against the NFL, the league has asked Cowboys owner Jerry Jones, Texans owner Bob McNair, and Patriots owner Bob Kraft to turn over their phones, according to ESPN’s Adam Schefter. Those three might not be the only ones, either:

Others owners, teams and league officials also will be deposed, but those individuals have been confirmed for now.

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Belafon  Nov 3, 2017 • 11:05:26am

re: #408 meteor

democraticunderground.com

Check this out. Holy shit.

And that’s going to be my answer from now on: The person making the extraordinary claims, in this case Brazile, should produce her evidence.

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Semper Fi  Nov 3, 2017 • 11:06:15am

re: #407 wrenchwench

I went to my favorite bakery this morning, and the two women behind the counter were trying to figure out what to do with all the cut-in-half-and-wrapped oatmeal cookies they had left from yesterday from some cookie-shortage incident that they had now recovered from and had the whole cookies they needed for today. ‘Let’s throw them all in a bag and give them to the wench’—[sort of] was said before I knew what they talking about. I got my loaf of bread sliced, put it in the same bag, paid and threw a quarter in the tip jar as I always do.

It’s a problem I can handle, half a cookie at a time.

I also visited my bakery…couple pastries and a huge apple/cinnamon muffin for Saturday. My server, Becky, always gives me big hug when I come in. She’s sweet.

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Birth Control Works  Nov 3, 2017 • 11:07:01am
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Kragar  Nov 3, 2017 • 11:07:26am
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FormerDirtDart  Nov 3, 2017 • 11:07:45am

OK, finally remembered the places name.
By far, the best “franchise” pizza I’ve had came from Anthony’s Pizza (decent crust and great sauce).
Most probably will never have heard of it.
It’s an old AAFES fast food brand. Like Frank’s Franks, and Robin Hood Sandwich Shoppes (great bread)

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dangerman  Nov 3, 2017 • 11:08:38am

re: #414 Belafon

And that’s going to be my answer from now on: The person making the extraordinary claims, in this case Brazile, should produce her evidence.

You mean she hasn’t been referencing a signed dcopy?

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Dr. Matt  Nov 3, 2017 • 11:09:36am

re: #408 meteor

democraticunderground.com

Check this out. Holy shit.

Our lazy media once again decided to go with sensitization rather than confirmation. They will never fucking learn.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 3, 2017 • 11:10:10am

re: #419 dangerman

You mean she hasn’t been referencing a signed dcopy?

who knows WHAT she’s referencing, since she provides no hard documentation.

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Belafon  Nov 3, 2017 • 11:10:46am

re: #416 Birth Control Works

Considering Congress is the ultimate power-men’s club, I’m not surprised. Disappointed, but not surprised.

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dangerman  Nov 3, 2017 • 11:12:04am

re: #418 FormerDirtDart

OK, finally remembered the places name.
By far, the best “franchise” pizza I’ve had came from Anthony’s Pizza (decent crust and great sauce).
Most probably will never have heard of it.
It’s an old AAFES fast food brand. Like Frank’s Franks, and Robin Hood Sandwich Shoppes (great bread)

Anthony’s coal fired right?

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dangerman  Nov 3, 2017 • 11:14:50am

re: #421 Backwoods_Sleuth

who knows WHAT she’s referencing, since she provides no hard documentation.

Ok well I just assumed
Yes I did

The actual you know agreement in effect. Not an unsigned anything

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I Would Prefer Not To  Nov 3, 2017 • 11:16:12am

re: #412 bratwurst

Excuse me, I feel the need to go take a long hot shower now.

[Embedded content]

Without drugs or booze, David Brooks is unreadable. At least that’s my experience.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 11:16:59am

re: #416 Birth Control Works

[Embedded content]

I seem to recall Senator Gillibrand saying she was too.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 3, 2017 • 11:17:51am

re: #423 dangerman

Anthony’s coal fired right?

No, I don’t believe they are the same.
Anthony’s Pizza was only on Army and Air Force bases., and were basically subsidiaries of the Army Air Force Exchange Service

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Belafon  Nov 3, 2017 • 11:18:18am

From dailykos.com

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 11:19:46am

re: #428 Belafon

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From dailykos.com

Donna, you gave him his talking points. Thanks but no thanks.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 3, 2017 • 11:21:01am

re: #427 FormerDirtDart

No, I don’t believe they are the same.
Anthony’s Pizza was only on Army and Air Force bases., and were basically subsidiaries of the Army Air Force Exchange Service

Google image search almost never fails

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 11:21:04am

I’ve said it before but how Tom Perez became the enemy to a number of liberals just disgusts me. This is someone who I think would have made a great and still could make a great Democratic AG. Someone who’s spent his career fighting and with success mind you for the little guy but his sin was that he wasn’t Bernie so screw him I guess.

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dangerman  Nov 3, 2017 • 11:21:59am

re: #427 FormerDirtDart

No, I don’t believe they are the same.
Anthony’s Pizza was only on Army and Air Force bases., and were basically subsidiaries of the Army Air Force Exchange Service

Ah
Nevermind

And I thnik they don’t do Hawaiian so…

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dangerman  Nov 3, 2017 • 11:23:16am

re: #430 FormerDirtDart

Google image search almost never fails

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Ok so I’m lazy……

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 11:23:20am

For D.C area peeps, my go to take out place in college was Paisanos. I really wish they would move out to Loudoun.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 3, 2017 • 11:23:52am

re: #428 Belafon

Trump looks for a daily excuse to distract from his job. No, the primary system wasn’t rigged! States control primary ballots.
— Donna Brazile (@donnabrazile) November 3, 2017

This daily excuse to distract from his job is Donna’s fault.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 11:25:27am

Here’s my response to my conservative friend trying to both sides things and try to claim Trump was a Democrat ergo liberals accusing him of racism are hypocritical or whatever:

Actually (name) he’s changed party several times. I honestly don’t care that he used to be a Democrat. He is a racist. Anyhow, since you brought up identity politics. Here’s where we disagree. I think the right has been pushing identity politics and not the other way around. It’s been Republican legislatures that pushed transgendered bathroom bills that require people to use the bathroom of their birth gender. TG people aren’t simply men in skirts or women with beards. There’s plenty of transgendered men who look no different from you or me and you wouldn’t know that they were born female unless you asked them. And the state gay marriage bans that were overturned by Obergefell were in response to states telling consenting adults who they could and could not marry. As for the CSA stattue issue, I really would advise that you look at when these statues went up. They went up during the highest time during the revitalization of the KKK and beginning of the Civil Rights movement. They were meant in their sculptors and the elected officials dedicating them to “preserve the Anglo-Saxon race.” I know you and I disagree on a lot but I still consider you a great friend but I do think it’s more complicated than that. I agree with you about tribalizing too hence why you’ll always get my own personal thoughts based on my experiences, readings, and philosophy.

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dangerman  Nov 3, 2017 • 11:27:10am

re: #434 HappyWarrior

For D.C area peeps, my go to take out place in college was Paisanos. I really wish they would move out to Loudoun.

I delivered Domino’s for three college years
Propane oven on the back seat of my Chrysler new Yorker
Pickup trucks with ovens bolted to the beds

.

It was worse back then. Couldn’t tell the pizza from the box

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 11:28:32am

re: #437 dangerman

I delivered Domino’s for three college years
Propane oven on the back seat of my Chrysler new Yorker
Pickup trucks with ovens bolted to the beds

.

It was worse back then. Couldn’t tell the pizza from the box

Dad hated working at Dominos because the bastards made him shave his beard. He worked there a couple years when my middle brother was an infant. So all the photos Dad has with him as a baby are Dad clean shaved.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 3, 2017 • 11:29:22am

re: #438 HappyWarrior

Why does bad pizza require shaving?

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wrenchwench  Nov 3, 2017 • 11:29:22am

Now the spaghetti I was talked into by the School of Social Work last Monday or so has been delivered. I forgot all about it, as I knew I would. Came with TWO cookies.

I can deal.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 11:33:19am

re: #439 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

Why does bad pizza require shaving?

Have to ask Tom Monahan. Needless to say Dad didn’t last there too long. I don’t think our youngest brother has seen our Dad without a beard.

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 3, 2017 • 11:33:22am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 11:35:01am

re: #442 FormerDirtDart

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From the story I gather, it makes me appreciate Clinton more not less and makes me more wary of Sanders. Clinton knew/knows we need a long lasting majority in Congress. I think Sanders would rather play purity games. HRC literally has campaigned for him before too and Nina Turner who hates her guts for some reason.

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Targetpractice  Nov 3, 2017 • 11:36:49am

re: #442 FormerDirtDart

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3. Bernie benefited from money Hillary was raising while he did jack-all for the party.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 3, 2017 • 11:37:00am
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 3, 2017 • 11:37:15am

re: #442 FormerDirtDart

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 3, 2017 • 11:37:53am
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BeachDem  Nov 3, 2017 • 11:38:43am

re: #105 The Vicious Babushka

I think she was going for this look:

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If so, a big swing and a miss.

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dangerman  Nov 3, 2017 • 11:39:08am

re: #437 dangerman

I delivered Domino’s for three college years
Propane oven on the back seat of my Chrysler new Yorker
Pickup trucks with ovens bolted to the beds

It was worse back then. Couldn’t tell the pizza from the box

by the way - for this blot on my record, i apologize to everyone

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 3, 2017 • 11:39:51am

The Bernouts are still trying to hand the country to the far-right.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 11:40:35am

re: #446 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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No doubt but I appreciate him at least trying to explain what actually happened. Honestly, the more i learn about Sanders, the more I’m glad he wasn’t nominated. He didn’t seem to care about the downticket races at all which I thought was so foolish coming from someone with such an ambitious agenda.

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wrenchwench  Nov 3, 2017 • 11:40:37am

re: #449 dangerman

by the way - for this blot on my record, i apologize to everyone

It did help me to understand why you came here for the pizza.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 3, 2017 • 11:40:54am

Brazile has already done a lot of damage that cannot be undone

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 11:41:36am

re: #450 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

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The Bernouts are still trying to hand the country to the far-right.

Well if Bernie had been a smart candidate and campaigned with other people, he could have had the chance to get some like minded individuals into Congress and state legislatures but because Bernie appears to have bought the BErnie or bust bullshit……….

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 11:42:19am

re: #453 Eclectic Cyborg

Brazile has already done a lot of damage that cannot be undone

Fortunately, it won’t stop Mueller but it was really unhelpful less than a week out of two important elections.

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dangerman  Nov 3, 2017 • 11:42:49am

re: #438 HappyWarrior

Dad hated working at Dominos because the bastards made him shave his beard. He worked there a couple years when my middle brother was an infant. So all the photos Dad has with him as a baby are Dad clean shaved.

me as well
they let me keep the ‘stash and soul patch
those three years were the only time in my life i shaved

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Dr. Matt  Nov 3, 2017 • 11:42:55am

re: #453 Eclectic Cyborg

Brazile has already done a lot of damage that cannot be undone

And Elizabeth Warren is bringing kerosene and an extra pack of matches.

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Dr. Matt  Nov 3, 2017 • 11:45:58am

re: #438 HappyWarrior

Dad hated working at Dominos because the bastards made him shave his beard. He worked there a couple years when my middle brother was an infant. So all the photos Dad has with him as a baby are Dad clean shaved.

I worked at Little Caesars in high school. We didn’t deliver. It wasn’t a terrible job for a high schooler. The pay still sucked though and had to wear brown polyester pants as part of the uniform.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 11:46:03am

re: #456 dangerman

me as well
they let me keep the ‘stash and soul patch
those three years were the only time in my life i shaved

Dad must have inspired us because all three of us have facial hair.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 3, 2017 • 11:46:19am

Same as it ever was. Same as it ever was……

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wrenchwench  Nov 3, 2017 • 11:46:34am

re: #453 Eclectic Cyborg

Brazile has already done a lot of damage that cannot be undone

She could pull her book. Supposedly it’s not out until Tuesday.

I would consider forgiving her if she did that.

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gocart mozart  Nov 3, 2017 • 11:47:04am

re: #431 HappyWarrior

I’ve said it before but how Tom Perez became the enemy to a number of liberals just disgusts me. This is someone who I think would have made a great and still could make a great Democratic AG. Someone who’s spent his career fighting and with success mind you for the little guy but his sin was that he wasn’t Bernie so screw him I guess.

Most progressive Secretary of Labor since the FDR administation, perhaps the most progressive guy in the Obama administration and ideologically the same as his good friend Ellison but he endorsed Hillary so fuck him.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 3, 2017 • 11:49:19am

re: #445 Dr. Matt

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Berners won’t believe until Keith Ellison tweets it out.

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ObserverArt  Nov 3, 2017 • 11:51:14am

re: #420 Dr. Matt

Our lazy media once again decided to go with sensitization rather than confirmation. They will never fucking learn.

And if it turns out Brazile was all wrong in her claims how fast and how well will the media put the story right?

I won’t be holding my breath.

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Birth Control Works  Nov 3, 2017 • 11:52:55am

re: #444 Targetpractice

3. Bernie benefited from money Hillary was raising while he did jack-all for the party.

Bernie screwed the election by splitting the ticket and dissing Hillary.

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danarchy  Nov 3, 2017 • 11:52:57am

re: #458 Dr. Matt

I worked at Little Caesars in high school. We didn’t deliver. It wasn’t a terrible job for a high schooler. The pay still sucked though and had to wear brown polyester pants as part of the uniform.

I used to like little caesars when I was in high school. The one near us closed and I hadn’t had it in decades. I was in a hurry on the way home from work one day and decided to pick up one of those Hot n’ Ready pizza’s they are always pimping on TV. It was like getting pizza from one of those gas station heat lamps. I think it may be a couple more decades before I try them again.

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Birth Control Works  Nov 3, 2017 • 11:54:04am

Food Safety requires hair nets —which is hard for beards.

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BeachDem  Nov 3, 2017 • 11:55:07am

re: #180 Mike Lamb

Because in most states, you had to be, you know, a Democrat to vote in the primaries. That, and math has a well known Clinton bias. Oh, and something, something super-delegates.

Our state has a totally open primary and Hillary took every county. But it didn’t count because Southern.

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wrenchwench  Nov 3, 2017 • 11:55:44am

re: #467 Birth Control Works

Food Safety requires hair nets —which is hard for beards.

Not hard. I’ve seen it done a lot.

/have had food-handlers’ cards in four counties

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Nov 3, 2017 • 11:58:01am

re: #467 Birth Control Works

Food Safety requires hair nets —which is hard for beards.

Beard nets exist, and they’re ridiculous-looking.
staples.com

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FormerDirtDart  Nov 3, 2017 • 11:58:38am

The Gray Lady must think this is a big deal

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MsJ  Nov 3, 2017 • 11:59:48am

They got the blood clot without having to do open heart surgery. His arteries are already expanding. I’m crying like a damn baby. Tears of joy.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 3, 2017 • 12:00:28pm

re: #462 gocart mozart

Most progressive Secretary of Labor since the FDR administation, perhaps the most progressive guy in the Obama administration and ideologically the same as his good friend Ellison but he endorsed Hillary so fuck him.

Yep. And man it infuriates me because damn it, Tom is a good guy. But hey yeah he endorsed HRC so fuck him. Party of Bernie assholes.

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ObserverArt  Nov 3, 2017 • 12:00:49pm

re: #457 Dr. Matt

And Elizabeth Warren is bringing kerosene and an extra pack of matches.

I think Liz messed up big time. She jumped on this and it appears she may not even know how the DNC was doing the elections. She may not have looked into it as she should have before going out and making statements to the media. Not a good look for a politician. To me it is rather amateurish. Points off Liz.

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ObserverArt  Nov 3, 2017 • 12:03:32pm

re: #461 wrenchwench

She could pull her book. Supposedly it’s not out until Tuesday.

I would consider forgiving her if she did that.

Ouch. I bet that would cost someone big time. I wonder how that is all handled? Might be a contract stipulating the info in the book is the responsibility of the author, then the author will be responsible for a bunch of worthless books. Ouch!!!

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dangerman  Nov 3, 2017 • 12:03:38pm

re: #472 MsJ

They got the blood clot without having to do open heart surgery. His arteries are already expanding. I’m crying like a damn baby. Tears of joy.

yet again we can take a moment (or more) to put down our incessant and asinine discussions of politics (and pizza) and focus on the true importance that is living

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BeachDem  Nov 3, 2017 • 12:03:49pm

re: #210 Backwoods_Sleuth

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AND pathetic spelling (led, not lead is the past tense of lead)
Edit:

A day late and $20 short—that’s what I get for taking 3-1/2 hours away from the Internet to drive home.

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calochortus  Nov 3, 2017 • 12:05:30pm

re: #475 ObserverArt

Ouch. I bet that would cost someone big time. I wonder how that is all handled? Might be a contract stipulating the info in the book is the responsibility of the author, then the author will be responsible for a bunch of worthless books. Ouch!!!

I don’t know, but I’ll bet we don’t find out in this case.

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Birth Control Works  Nov 3, 2017 • 12:38:26pm

re: #472 MsJ

They got the blood clot without having to do open heart surgery. His arteries are already expanding. I’m crying like a damn baby. Tears of joy.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:)

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Birth Control Works  Nov 3, 2017 • 12:38:51pm

re: #476 dangerman

yet again we can take a moment (or more) to put down our incessant and asinine discussions of politics (and pizza) and focus on the true importance that is living

well said!!!

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Birth Control Works  Nov 3, 2017 • 1:12:29pm

re: #2 austin_blue

The job creators are going to have a Shitpot more money to create jobs!

Yippee!

And giving tax breaks to the highest earners will decrease the deficit!

Hoozah!

Except that it has never worked that way, and the poor and the middle class always get screwed.

trickle down economics!

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Birth Control Works  Nov 3, 2017 • 1:12:58pm

re: #4 JordanRules

Grain of salt, but if true….
Woooooo!

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Would we get someone better tho?

WOOT!!!!!!

THERE IS A GOD!


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